Did you take the zip tie off there?
Let's
turn that camera off.
>> Hello everyone. Can you hear us from
Tibbitz?
>> Hey Jeff, hear you loud and clear.
>> Great. Thanks Jeff.
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I can show so we won't be able to show
the presentation.
>> Okay. Apologies everyone. It looks like
the Tibbitz Manor camera is not working.
So those that are watching, you should
be able to see our lovely faces here.
But uh we're here. Um
um as I share the presentation, I'll do
that through my laptop. So, we'll just
confirm uh those that are um virtual can
uh can see that as well.
>> Take it away.
>> Yeah. Um
it is 7:02
and as chair on this May 4th
uh meeting of this park board, let's
call it to order.
Uh we'll take a little roll call. like
to start online just so I can keep my
tally along here. Diana Ren.
>> Hi, I'm here. I just couldn't find the
unmute button.
>> Perfect. Thank you.
Jeffrey Newell.
>> Hey guys, I'm here.
Anna Novak. Hi.
>> Jane Dushi.
N to the end. I think
>> Katie Bell,
>> Martha here,
>> Chris Kovich here,
>> uh Brian Olsson here, and I'm just gonna
go through
David Louson,
Tim Mley.
Excused.
Arlene Waxi.
I will call uh Nicholson is here as
well. Um
we have no voting. We're not needing a
quorum. Have a pretty lengthy
conversation ahead tonight. Um which is
exciting. Um has anybody had a chance to
review the minutes from the last meeting
in the packet?
Any corrections or edits?
All right. Well, if no corrections or
edits on behalf of the board, the
minutes are approved.
Um, is there anyone here for public
comment?
Our camera is not working, so there's no
one in the room.
>> Uh, yes, we do have one. Okay. Steve
>> Pereira.
>> Thank you. And just a reminder, please
introduce yourself. Uh remind us if
you're a resident or not and try to keep
your comments to about five minutes.
Steve Pere.
>> Hi folks. Thanks for the opportunity to
speak with you all and thank you all for
your service to Isqua. I'm going to
check in first just to make sure you can
all hear me. Okay.
>> Yes, absolutely. Thank you.
So, I just wanted to share some thoughts
regarding the proposed
park bond
upcoming. And
I guess I just want to say that first of
all, I'm not in the position where I
presume that I either am or should be
the person who gets to decide what
should be in or what should be approved
or not approved.
I just wanted to share the that my
thoughts.
>> Yes, please.
>> When I first started when I first read
through the proposal, I was just
didn't understand
and and found kind of a gut strong gut
reaction. I didn't understand
why all these things were in issue, how
they were determined, how they were
said, how they were collected.
And there was nothing in them that
seemed to me to be the vision of what is
required to be. I was concerned with
uh so concerned with the items in the
list. Concerned we were using all of our
bonding issue in one go. We were using
all of our bonding issue that for things
like
um parks and playfields and things that
would by the time the 20-year
bond had been paid off would need to be
updated and recycled. I was concerned
with the fact that we were spending
this difference between as I understand
it and others may correct please feel
free to correct me
there's a difference between a capital
project that can be
used for new projects but then
existing funds have to be used to
maintain and
the maintenance. We were spending all
these projects that would then just
drive continued
annual operating costs upward to pay for
them. We weren't making any headway or
any gain. So
because of that, like I said, it was
just this large kind of gut reaction of
not just that there's really nothing
much there that I wanted
because you take the chances, I guess,
like everybody else, but structurally
and format-wise, I just so strongly
disagreed and still strongly disagree
with much of what the proposal
contains.
Uh there was there's examples I think in
the case and and these are just examples
uh in one of the recent city council
meetings
an additional $25,000 was added to the
budget to add trolley service for this
upcoming year.
Uh
that seems to be something that the
community wants that should be
structured into park funding as a
regular thing, not just add added ad
hoc. So that was something that seems to
be a high priority item.
Uh
another example is in the confluence
park area there is a
nice bridge connecting two land masses
but I don't know that it's structurally
at the time structurally it's fine but I
don't know if it's the thing that makes
the most high priority need or usage for
the park system.
So, I guess I would like to see us kind
of go back to the drawing board
and
state what it is we want, where it is
we're going.
Uh, I can go through item by item things
I like or dislike in what I understand
individual issues. That wasn't really my
concern. Uh while I do like the e house
for example and the historical
documentation of that, I just thought
that we'd personally be better since we
came so close in having that approved by
city council only to have the money
pulled away and used for the
downtown park areas or the oldtown park
areas. Uh I find myself though so
strongly disagreeing with the parks and
playfields with the
uh yet another dog park when there are
human needs that are a higher priority.
So I wanted I came here not to just
state what it is that I
dislike but to hopefully try to
influence the course of the discussion.
because it doesn't matter so much that I
disagree but
there just seems so little there that I
wanted or want want to see or or that I
had ever heard anybody say when they
think of Isqua, they think of parks and
playfields.
But I'd like to see things like
connections within the community between
different areas.
um more
of the things that that are discussed
about in the peaks to creeks.
But again, I'm not trying to lobby for
or against items here. I'm just saying
structurally and functionally this
seems illfitted and ills suited.
That's kind of the bulk of my comments
uh to share my thoughts and the level of
disagreement with this proposed plan. I
think I've already lowered my hand
and so with that I will stop speaking at
this point. Thank you.
>> Thank you Steve. Really appreciate the
feedback there.
>> We have anybody else for public comment?
Nobody else I see on the screen. Thanks,
Steve. Thank you, Steve. Also add
Marlene Waxi has joined us just for the
record and since we're not recording and
you can't see it, just for those online
to add there's another person here in
the building.
Uh and with that we can move on to the
regular business portion of our meeting
which we have one regular
>> business item the bond renewal update
presented
by Jeff
>> Ryan. Thank you. as I'm transitioning to
sharing my screen.
Um,
me as I navigate this
also, can I make a quick note for the
group,
>> Jeff?
>> Yes, please.
>> Yeah, do that as well. Just uh one note
for everyone to take into consideration
is typically in our May meeting we elect
new uh chair and vice chair. Um however
with this be meeting being pulled
forward um and David not being here and
this big park bond renewal plan as
regular business we'll be moving that
vote to uh May 18th. So, you have
officially 14 days notice uh to decide
if you want to throw your your hat in
the ring uh for either position. So,
with that, Jeff, take it away.
>> Ryan, thank you. Thank you for that that
uh reminder. Um and uh first off, just
thank you for moving this meeting back a
week. This was typically our April, end
of April meeting, but thank you with
some schedule complex and all. Um um
it's great. Uh wanted to be here. Um
yes, one item tonight. Uh a lot to to
discuss. I I hope uh these slides really
um um create the opportunity for a
pretty robust conversation. Uh what
you're going to see tonight, what I'm
going to be presenting is very similar
to what I'm going to be presenting
tomorrow night to the services, safety,
and parks uh city council committee.
That'll be on May 5th. Um uh this
presentation is really in response to uh
the April 6th conversation we had with
the entire city council. Um
so I really again look forward to our
discussion tonight. Um you'll see
me as I navigate screen here and uh some
questions that um I hope to get out of
uh this evening uh from all of you as
well as any other questions you might
have. But, uh, does the park board
support the recommendation from
administration to move forward, uh, with
the park bond renewal, uh, this November
at that 8 cents per 10,000 AV? Would be
great to start to get a sense if there's
consensus there. Um, second question,
any feedback on the vision statement um,
or the considerations andor the package
uh, of potential projects for uh, this
possible park bond renewal? Uh and then
lastly, are there any is there a park
forward recommendation or any message
that you would like um either myself as
staff to communicate tomorrow night to
council or that you would like to um or
a couple representatives of you would
like to come and share with city council
um at that meeting uh tomorrow night? Um
I think you've heard me say this a
couple of times um but I I I want to
save this at the top of this meeting in
conversation. you know, it's um such a
pleasure to be a staff uh person for a
community. Uh but when you get to a a
really really important topic like this
of considering renewing a bond or any
type of taxation or any type of funding
really really important capital
projects, at some point the staff voice
needs to diminish and it really needs to
be the voice of residents uh that are
speaking of that. And and I I feel like
this is a as we've been talking about
this for a couple months now, as you
certainly know, it's a priority of Mayor
Mullet's um I think it's really my
desire and his desire and
administration's desire uh that the
month of May starts to feel like that
transition like if this is something of
value to this community um how do we
begin hearing more from community voices
um on this? So with that and with those
questions in mind, uh let's jump in. Um
the outline for the presentation of
materials tonight is really uh born out
of the questions and the request for
additional information that city council
asked at that April 6th meeting. Um it's
really broken into four buckets. Uh the
first bucket we'll talk about is parks
capital funding. There were a number of
questions council had um in many ways
sort of looking forward and looking
backwards. Um what are the priorities
within parks capital? um what do
projected revenues look like in the CIP?
Um um and then sort of the look back
historically um what have we been able
to fund in park development or
redevelopment in the last 10 years? Um
and and how did we what have what have
we gotten accomplished and how were
those projects funded? Uh so we'll cover
that. Um second category was just a
number of questions about the projects
themselves. um a little deeper dive into
initial costs. Um I should have put a
capital I in initial or made that all
made that all caps. This is very initial
um cost. There's no design uh behind
these but um beginning to feel somewhat
comfortable with those initial costs. Uh
but not only looking at cost but grant
opportunities that each of these
projects um um
are could be available for us. um what
are the other near-term capital
priorities within the park plan? Um um
and then what other uh levy rates would
be needed to support um other levels of
projects or other combinations of
projects. Uh so we'll discuss that a
bit. Um third category really had to do
with vision and what is the central
vision uh for the potential park bond
renewal. So, we'll talk about that. Um,
and and hopefully see that it's born
directly out of the community engagement
we had around the park system plan. Uh,
and then fourth, um, question or request
for additional information was, uh,
recent park specific ballot measures
around the county. Um and so we took a a
deep dive into the last five years, what
other municipalities ran park specific
measures, whether levies or bonds, and
um a little bit of information around
that. Um
so with that outlined, we'll jump into
park capital funding.
Uh so as a broad overview um and and
those of you that have been on the board
for a while might may u also already
know this but really in a general sense
there are three core categories of
funding within parks capital uh when you
talk about a well-rounded park capital
program um it's acquisitions um and
funding and strategies around
acquisitions it's funding and strategies
around capital maintenance programs uh
so How I would categorize that is taking
care of what you have. That's hey that
picnic shelter that was built 20 years
from now it's going to need to be
reinvested in. Hey, that those those
trail stairs and elements of a trail
system we know we're going to need to
put capital maintenance into those. Uh
and then the third bucket is development
and redevelopment projects. That's the
new neighborhood park. That's the
redevelopment of Hillside Park. That's
the completion of the dog park that we
just did. Um fall into that third
category. Um with the limited has I
worked with finance and and sort of in
in preparing the response for council,
it became pretty clear. Um, and I think
you know this when we look at our last
couple of years of capital funding. Um,
with limited capital revenue available
for this city, our the parks capital
program and those three categories are
also competing with competing is not the
right word, but seeking funding with
transportation capital and facilities
capital. There's other IT capital.
There's other capital needs that the
city has. But with that, the recent
priority by administration
um and council has really been funding
acquisitions and capital maintenance
programs. And so what that's meant is
park development redevelopment projects
with city directed
um capital revenue has been pretty
limited. uh in the history will will
sort of show that um in working with
finance um and looking at a clear
picture at the adopted CIP that the city
has um the adopted CIP can be somewhat
misleading because it it's a great
spreadsheet that shows sort of estimated
costs for projects over the next six
years, whether it's transportation,
whether it's facilities, whether it's
parks. um but it doesn't really identify
what's real money and what's
aspirational money. Um but when you look
at um real estate excise tax which is a
a huge funding source for capital
investment not just parks but
transportation and facilities and the
like um that funding the actual REIT
revenue that's coming in is going to be
in a deficit position
next bianium so by 2728. So, what that
means is we we're um
REIT isn't going to be able to fund what
the CIP is showing it's going to be able
to fund. And we're not the only city in
that that position, but it's just a a
reality. Um
so, looking ahead, you know, with that,
there will be very limited to to no RET
funding available for this category of
park development and redevelopment
projects. I don't mean to identify that
as doom and gloom. That's just that's
reality. And so when we look at things
like renewing a a park levy, um I think
there needs to be an understanding that
there's not a alternative source of
revenue just sitting there um waiting
waiting um uh to to fund uh this kind of
development and redevelopment um
investments that we're talking about.
So that's looking ahead. So looking back
um if we were to look at the park
development so those development
redevelopment projects have been
completed the last 10 years this is the
list of what we've done the last 10
years um confluence park phase 2 was
completed in 2017 uh that included the
bridge the pedestrian bridge over
confluence park at second phase uh that
was funded through 2013 park bonds so
voter approved park bond funds and
grants were the primary sources for that
project. Central Park Padwan turf fields
uh which are the the two newer fields um
up in Central Park. Those were completed
in 2018. Again, funded with 2013 park
bond funds and grants.
In 2022, uh we completed a renovation of
Blackberry Park. That project was funded
primarily with city capital revenues.
So, REIT general fund park impact fees
um the like. Um hillside park
renovations um in 2025 we cut the ribbon
on that project. Again, that project was
funded with city capital revenues. Um
also in 2025 last year uh we completed
pedestrian park and the senior center
plaza project that was funded
predominantly by ARPA and the um
American Recovery. Oh my goodness, I
forget the acronym. The federal ARPA
funds um sort of through COVID and COVID
recovery. Um um about 7 million of that
and a a state grant as well, about
$700,000 state grant. Um so no city
capital revenues were used for that
project. Uh and then um just at the end
of April, we cut a ribbon at the Reineer
Trail Dog Park. Uh that project was
funded with city capital revenues. So
when you look at the development
projects that were done over the last 10
years, um three of them were
predominantly funded either by park bond
or or federal dollars, three of them
funded by city capital revenues. Um some
takeaways from this. Um it certainly
confirms that park bond funding and
grants have been foundational uh revenue
sources for park development and
redevelopment um over the years, over
the decades, quite frankly. Um um when
we look at the real the city capital
revenues uh for those three projects um
totaled a total of $3.2 million in park
development redevelopment investment
over the last 10 years. Again, not to
say that's exactly what needs to happen,
but to just take that cadence and that
pace um and knowing how limited our
capital dollars are without um
foundational bond funding, um it would
take 60 plus years to complete $20
million worth of work worth of
development or new development projects.
Again, not meant as doom and gloom, but
just meant as a sort of financial fiscal
reality.
um um for everyone to to consider.
>> Jeff, can I ask you?
>> Yeah, I'll pause right there.
>> Um the 20 million is that Can you go
back to the slide?
>> It is the are the six projects listed.
I'm trying to get a sense of what 20
million is. Is that close to the total
of these six million? Sorry. Of these
six projects or is it
>> No,
>> just is that are these six projects more
than that, less than that?
>> Those six projects were I don't know the
the the 20 million and thank you for
asking that. I should clarify make sure
I clarify that tomorrow night. The 20
million is really meant to reflect the
potential park bond package we're
talking about.
>> I see. I see. So, so the b the bond
renewal package we're talking about is a
20 to $25 million
investment opportunity.
>> Okay.
>> So, so to not do a park bond renewal and
think, hey, let's let's accomplish e
house and right that the exact projects
that we're thinking about for this park
bond renewal, that's going to take six
decades to to to do. And in that six
decades, a whole lot of the rest of the
park system is going to be getting
tired.
>> Yeah.
>> As well.
>> Yeah. The reason I was asking is because
it would be an interesting story if it
were true to be able to say tomorrow
night what we did in what's that seven
nine years would take 60 years. I mean,
you know what I'm saying? Like have a
sense of like what does it mean?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> You know what I mean? No, it's a great a
great point, Jane, and and I think that
the and you're right, I'm not trying to
totally connect the dots, but with a
with a possible park bond renewal,
>> um what could be accomplished in 8 to 10
years?
>> Yeah.
>> With a park bond renewal.
>> Yeah.
>> Would take 60 years.
>> Yeah.
>> With without it.
>> Thanks.
>> Yep.
So, um, any other questions about sort
of the capital funding category?
>> Talk capital funding.
>> Yeah, let's do it.
>> Do we know what percent of like, can we
benchmark other cities? Do we know what
percent they're spending of their
sort of capital revenues on parks
>> on park development? I don't know off
the top of my head. It it it really
varies.
>> Very small. Like I was just curious like
if we we ran around the east side would
it be similar or we
>> It's a good question. I it is relatively
small and that's not meant to say shame
on us Isiqua. I think what it's meant to
tell what it tells me is when you look
at a voter approved park bond in 2006
and a voter approved park bond in 2013
that there again has been a reliance on
park bonds to really fund
park development. And so with without
one to think we could go on and be
funding at a similar rate without one um
it would take a different there's not a
there's not an alternative funding
source just waiting there. This is what
I want to consider.
>> It's feeling burned by the pass for the
school board, right? Is how do we make
people understand why we need these and
what it's doing? Like I think that just
feels to me like any of these facts like
um that Jane was talking about as far as
like okay this is what you got for that
money last time. Here's what you're
going to get this time and oh by the way
>> you know we only put 2% of our you know
budget to parks where most of everybody
else's age or whatever it is like
>> feel like we're going to need to
>> Yeah. the value that they're getting
>> for the for Yeah. considering this
renewal.
>> Yeah.
Great point.
All right. Should we go to programs or
projects?
So um you know as we start talking about
um initial costs and um grant
opportunities uh for the the projects
we're considering for a package and then
looking at alternative packages. We
wanted to also sort of bring to council
some of the um the filters and the the
criteria that we use to to consider uh
these projects. Um, I think I appreciate
Steve Herrera's um, comments and and
questions. I think it's paramount to
drive home this this first point that
um,
and and really the second point um,
these projects didn't come out of thin
air. Uh, these projects are identified
priorities and interests that this
community has told us about um, through
the park system plan surveys and
community outreach. um etc. And so um
and knowing it's such a mix of interests
that this community has, this community
wants its city park system to
perform in such a wide variety of ways.
And that's not rare. That's I think any
any city with a quality of life. Um any
one family is going to be different than
another family in terms of what types of
uses they want within their park system.
Um, and so this first point I think was
a really important one that we wanted to
consider a package that provided
multiple medium-sized projects uh that
would increase functionality of the park
system. Um, that functionality includes
better connectivity of this park system.
Um, as well as is providing the broadest
community benefit possible given that
mix of uses. um a mix of projects uh
within available funding that address
that diversity um of uses um within our
Isiqua community and what they want and
expect their how they want and expect
their park system to perform. Um, we'll
talk a little bit about vision and I
think you'll remember we have a page
from the park system plan that you
remember that that word vibrancy that
really came out of the park system plan
and and this community wanting a city
park system that didn't feel so tired
and hey I go to this city and their park
system has these kind of things but our
parks don't. Uh this is a an an interest
in um you know adding u those mix of
amenities and um mix of of things within
a city park system that um we don't
necessarily have in abundance. Uh
projects that don't have a high level of
site complexity or project complexity uh
that might make it difficult to scope or
cost estimate prior to extensive design
work. This is an important one. um this
this we we do not have um projects that
are fully designed, fully permitted,
just sitting on the shelf ready to be
done, right? We're we're we're going to
take to the voters projects that still
some of this funding that we we're
asking voters for isn't just paying to
build it. It's build it's paying to
design it. It's paying to permit it and
construct it. So, we really want to be
careful that we're not trying to tackle
super complex projects um uh that um
have a lot of unknowns.
Um another point was does this pro does
the a project we're considering have a
level of controversy or community
concern that may be difficult to resolve
um at such an early conceptual stage of
the project? Um
to to put simply um you know a project
that does have community concern um we
would rather as staff would rather
utilize community outreach and the
community outreach project to vet those
concerns. Um Hillside Park for example,
it was community engagement and outreach
that really got to consensus. it it took
that to happen. Um to expect a potential
park bond renewal to create consensus um
it's probably not going to do it. So we
want to be really thoughtful about um um
not having projects that really need
that level of public engagement um to to
get to what the answer is.
Uh and then last sort of filter or lens
was consider a mix of projects and
locations that provide a geographic
distribution of these parks investments.
Um in some cases we don't have equity of
amenities within our community and how
might this project uh provide that. Um
and that's again you know this idea of
athletic fields and turf fields is a
great example. How do we consider an
investment package that uh brings
diversity of um geographic diversity of
of some of these opportunities that
certain um areas of this community have
more readily available than others.
So with those in mind um we really get
into u and you're familiar now with
these proposed projects. I'm happy to to
um answer questions if you have
questions about them. And I'm not going
to spend a lot of time on the details of
them, but really um walk through um
initial estimates. Um and as a reminder,
as you see these initial estimates for
something like the ek house um and folio
restoring and incorporating that into
confluence park, these initial estimates
again include design. Um design can be
quite expensive. Permitting can be quite
expensive. This isn't just a
construction number. Um, but it would
include all three of those, design,
permitting, and construction. Um, I do
want to point out, and again, thanks
Steve for his public comment. I want to
clarify though, the the restoration of
the e house was never um was not part of
the ARPA funding. What was what was, if
you recall, what was part of the ARPA
funding was creating a plaza space
behind the e house. Um, that would be
considered sort of a first phase. Um um
and then e house would need to be funded
um at a later time. So that ARPA funding
was never pulled from the restoration of
the e house itself. Uh this project
would seek to do both the ek house and
that incorporation creating some type of
back plaza space so it feels like a a
portion of the park. Um there's some
great grant grant opportunities for a
project like this both from the county
um as well as as the state.
Uh the Ramos trail head improvements um
looking at u bringing uh more trail head
functionality that that very very
important gateway. Uh we're estimating
that at 1.5 million. That would include
restroom um uh connection as well as a
surfacing that provides a more um
sustainable um and consistent surfacing.
Um there's RCO is an acronym recreation
conservation office. That's state grant
funding. Uh there's also um county level
trails funding through uh through the
levy that this uh trail head project we
think would be really really competitive
um with
>> I'm sorry one more question. Yeah,
please
>> on e house and I apologize if I should
know this and I don't.
>> That's okay.
>> Give me just a quick description like
what um what the end state is going to
be and what the benefit to community
would be to like what that's what's that
going to look like?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um
quick sort of elevator speech version.
Yeah. Yeah. Um
>> yeah. So e house is one of the last
remaining initial or original farm
houses on the valley floor. So this
project would historically restore the
shell of that um to a to a level that it
could be considered landmarked
>> uh but then it would um um
make it publicly accessible um meaning
putting a found an actual foundation on
it. that house is still on its original
timber foundation. Um so if you ever
want to look under there, you'll still
see stumps um as the foundation. So
doing the work to in historically
restore the shell of it. Um what we
talked about conceptually was I'm past
my elevator speech now. um taking out
the second floor. So you would have this
big vated ceiling space on the inside
that would could accommodate um um art
exhibits, uh meetings up to rentals and
meetings up to 50 people. Um as we've
talked to historical agencies, uh the
back of the house is the least sort of
historically relevant portion. So the
great opportunities that back out of the
house is what relates to the park. Um,
what if we had either large accordion
doors or rollup doors? So, it would
function as an indooroutdoor
park pavilion space um uh that um yeah
provides you know again art exhibit
space um and the creative district um as
well as a a a new type of rental um
space for the community.
>> Thank you.
>> Yeah,
it's a long elevator ride. Thanks.
>> And that would ultimately generate
income right?
>> Correct. So this and you're right, I
should point that out. That that would
have a revenue generating um that
investment has a revenue generating
opportunity
as does a couple of the other ones as we
move forward. Uh the new trail corridors
again uh really leveraging the
investments on acquisition that have
been made um over the last seven or
eight years. uh we have an opportunity
to really activate Harvey Manning Park
which is the Bergsma corridor uh that
really connects the valley floor to uh
Cougar Mountain Regional Park and all
the public lands beyond Isiqua and then
Squawk Mountain utilizing the Kokari and
Wayimouth acquisitions
um to create finally a really functional
gateway from again the valley floor up
into Squawk Mountain Trail System and
Squawk Mountain State Park um beyond our
our city borders. Uh we estimate uh
those in total at about a $4 million
investment to again do the design work.
Uh there's topography to deal with.
There is um streams and waterways we're
going to want to be really smart and
careful with. So this isn't just trails.
There will be some bridge work and other
um trail infrastructure that'll be
needed uh to do that project. Well, uh
lots of grant opportunities for um
really um ambitious uh trail projects
like this connectivity projects both at
the state and county level.
Uh the athletic field uh projects, what
we've talked about is um um in concept
of what I'll mention to council is um we
think with $9.25 25 million and
leveraging some grant money, um we could
put into play all three of the
elementary school fields. Um what this
community sports field model does um is,
um through the work we're doing with
renewing and updating the joint use
agreement is these truly would function
as three public park spaces. Um uh they
would um look and feel yes like a school
amenity during the school day and would
be a much improved recess facility for
um students and kiddos but um evenings,
weekends, summer months. These would
function as drop in um places for
families, communities to to utilize turf
fields. uh striped very much like we
have striped in Central Park where we
would get multiple types of sport uses
uh depending on each of the field
configurations. Um the city would be the
scheduler of these, we would be the
maintainer of these, we would be the
revenue collector so of of these uh
fields. Uh there is been a continued um
interest um in this within this
community to have more turf fields
within our park system. Um, land is
really, really expensive in this town.
And we think this is a really
innovative, quite frankly,
environmentally sustainability,
environmentally sustainable, um, way to,
um, incorporate increased um, athletic
field uh, use in this community without
having to go buy buy new land. Um
again, lots of grant funding
opportunities both at the state county
level, a couple different count uh
county funding sources. We also think in
talking with the mayor, there could be
some federal funding uh that uh could be
available for uh this type of of
innovative collaborative multi- agency
um work.
Uh the other park amenities we've talked
about in the the package include
expanded pickle ball at Central Park. Um
original language should say or other
location I think as we've more and more
studied this uh the opportunity that
presents itself at what is known as pad
3. of the lower turf fields. Uh there is
room within the front of those fields to
add uh what would be four tennis courts
andor eight pickle ball courts. Um so an
an ample um investment um and an
opportunity on land we currently own for
a need that's continuing to grow. Both
tennis is growing as well as pickle
ball.
um uh incorporating a community park-siz
playground at Tibets Valley Park as we
talked about. Um making it an
all-inclusive type facility is something
very different than what uh this
community's had before. Uh but again, a
large interest in diversifying our play
in this community. Um great
opportunities for uh grant funding uh
for that as well. Um and then a dog park
at Tibets Valley Park. Um um we
estimated a million dollars. Again,
grant funding um available for that. Um
something I'll point out to council is
when when you start talking about
estimating estimates and um positioning
projects like this for grant funding,
when you have um foundational funding
already in place, you're far more
competitive. You're far more successful.
Granters want to know they're providing
the last money in.
>> Granters don't want to be the first
money in for development projects. Um
and so um
you know a a a baseline funding source
like a park bond renewal would really
position all of these projects um we
feel a staff to to be able to score
really really well. Um, I'll point out
just as a reminder and again, thank you
I think for the conversations we've had
as a as a with all of you as park board
these last couple of months. Um, you
know, adding those amenities to Tibets
Valley Park are really important. The
the revisioning of Tibetz Valley Park is
still a priority. um and is still
planned on continuing and going on to
the point that that community outreach
and engagement and revisioning will
determine not only um sort of
configuration, conceptual configuration
of the entire park, but will also be
used to inform where this playground
would go, where the dog park would go.
We would not do that ahead of that
revisioning work.
Back slide.
>> Yes. Back one slide.
>> In the um turfing, are we also looking
at lights? Because one of the things
that makes those turf fields usable at
night is lighting at Central Park. And
so like if we were going to do tennis,
they already have lights. Elementary
schools typically do not have lights.
>> What are we like what is the plan?
>> Great question. Uh it is something
that's going to be considered
would be part of the community
engagement. We'll need to be really
careful in terms of how we do that. Um
but yes, we feel like an investment like
this is definitely worth um adding a
consideration for lighting.
>> It's almost not worth doing it if you're
not light it.
It's dark and rainy here.
>> Yeah. For the winter months certainly.
Yeah.
>> And that's when you need the dry
grass.
>> Yeah.
The other question I have here on turkey
knowing that uh Tibbitz is off the table
which is a has a lot of baseball and
softball use um obviously in the
elementary schools the size of those is
going to be a problem for a full-size
baseball in particular. Did we ever
think about um partnering up with the
high school like they do in Spanish um
on the baseball field would be the other
question is there a way to get that in
this mix? I'm just kind of think about
central pad too, which I know we want to
do, but there's lots of turf up in up in
the highlands. There's not as much down
here, which we talk about often. So,
>> for me, one of the uses that's not
really being covered here is more of the
middle school and above baseball,
>> right? Yeah. We know we could get major
level majors level size fields on those
elementary school fields. I think one of
them um um Clark may the layout lends
itself to a little bigger um outfield.
Uh we would certainly take a look at
that.
>> Get a 69.
>> Yeah, it it it may not. Um I think
the consideration of high school varsity
facilities will really be dependent upon
the school district. uh the Isqua school
district historically has taken a very
different approach um to that than what
was done in Samish was with the Lake
Washington school district not the
school district um
I don't mean to speak negatively of this
school district I just know each one's
differently I
>> than the one that started those
conversations with the school district
uh back in back in the day
>> and they start because what's going to
happen here is after 12 right those are
going to get we're not really covering
128.
>> Yeah. Well, and and I guess I would add
that that the the Tibbitz Valley Fields
aren't going away, right? And so, you
know, as we consider at a with a broader
athletic field strategy,
how, you know, if this is an investment
that is being made on the elementary
school fields, how does that um either
reduce andor uh reposition our
maintenance capacity um at Tibbitz? um
how do we make sure we're um providing
um
well-maintained
um facilities for all age groups of of
baseball softball. So
>> don't get me wrong,
you know.
>> Yeah. I think
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think one of the
realities of this again potential
package is and we'll see it later on as
we just created three scenarios. We
could create 50 scenarios. Um
20ome million dollar $25 million is a is
a big investment. Probably the biggest
single investment this community would
consider for investing into its park
system, but is in no way going to be
able to fund I think everything the
community is interested in in in doing.
Um, so great questions, Marlene. Thank
you.
>> Oh, go ahead.
>> Yeah.
>> Do you have a followup?
>> Oh, I had a followup from what Marlene
was asking. On these athletic fields,
um, is is it um
is it a situation where they're going to
be
um I'm wondering how the field is
configured. And I'm asking that because
I've, you know, just wandered around. I
used to live in the Highlands. So you go
up to, you know, Central Park and see
>> if in unscheduled times, you know, kids
playing soccer or lacrosse or, you know,
there folks um playing cricket, you
know. So like I'm just I'm curious um
how
how to make space for for that kind of
variety of,
you know, community
use and you know and how how that might
work and if this is a you know premature
question that's fine I was just curious
like how how
>> No it's a it's a great question I'd say
in general as as the managers and
stewards of of the turf fields at
Central Park we make sure those are
accessible and available for drop in
>> use that these elementary school fields
would be the the same we manage them the
same way we would hope and encourage
general dropin use yes when they're
scheduled. We're hoping to configure
spaces that even as a a practice is
happening, there's still space for some
drop in um activity to to be happening.
>> And you had a question too.
>> Yeah. Just um with the focus that
everyone has on Tibbitz, right? Um I'm
wondering if it's sticky to bring up
projects that are going to happen in
Tibbitz
without the full vision. Right. So,
because you said we're going to do the
full visioning first and then we would
>> talk about this playground and the dog
park. There's so much more that needs to
go into tippets. And I'm wondering if we
bring it up in the bond proposal if
people are going to have expectations
beyond just the park and they're going
to expect a full
>> redesign
>> a full redesign of Tibbitz coming out
which it's not
>> not just design but you're saying
construction
>> a full construction like I I feel like
um people who don't read all the way
>> and who are very invested into Tibids or
maybe have, right? They're just going to
expect that that's what this money is
for.
>> That's a really good a really good
point. I I I know and again I I would
open this up to to the the rest of you.
I I think there was some comments
saying, "Hey, Tibbitz is so tired and
even though we can't fully fund it,
>> there's something
>> this is an opportunity. How do we how do
we initiate at least a a first degree of
investment into that part?" So it it's a
but it's a great point that if if the if
they do remain and I think you're right
how we package it and communicate these
more as amenities than the park.
>> Great.
>> These are these are two amenities being
incorporated into a park. It's not the
full park. But it's a great that's a
great point.
>> So it's it's almost like we're trying to
nod to those people who care about
Tibbitz.
Like we're we're trying to say yeah we
hear you. We're trying to update it. We
can't fully do it.
>> Yeah.
>> So, we're gonna start with this in this
bond.
>> Yeah.
>> And then we'll need extra. Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, thought I know Martha,
you had some thoughts a couple months
ago.
>> No, I think that's really a good point
actually that there should be
talked about enhancement. You know,
>> we all have I'm sure we all have our own
vision of what big time should look
like. So I think yeah
>> ask a question on a turfield yes
>> situation given
that u
I understand what you're doing here
conceptually and use
the size of those fields is there an
opportunity to then rent those out
during the soccer seasons to like is it
called whatever it is
>> that does like the smaller pitches is
that they just pop up in random.
>> Absolutely. Ma is absolutely we would we
we rent to my goodness numerous soccer
clubs, numerous lacrosse clubs,
numerous, you know, baseball groups. So,
you know, this would be a space that we
would make available for renting.
>> But at its current format
is the only thing being rented at those
elementary is T-ball size baseball or is
there more
>> potentially? I don't know. We don't we
don't schedule those. So that's the
school district. Yeah. And so I think
they're I think they're very
>> I think it's very limited in terms of
organized sports that are utilizing
those fields. I think they're they're
very underutilized in terms of after
school weekend use.
>> So theory if you get the multi-use
agreement plus you invest this money
you're actually
realizing most of the piece whatever
you're split with the
>> Yeah. It would be Yeah. Yeah. 100% of
that revenue would come back to
maintaining since we would be
maintaining the facility. And what we do
with all of our turf synthetic turf
revenue is half of it goes into a turf
replacement program. So that again, you
know, to some of Steve's questions,
let's have some of let's have that
revenue and that use paying for what we
know as that system ages and needs and
needs reinvestment. Um,
so
>> yeah,
and Clark are just dirt like they don't
even have grass.
>> So like the fact that like
>> just add a really super quick question,
Jeff. Um, how about um one thing that
I'm worried about though. How about
facilities like bathrooms you're talking
about? Is that part of the plan? The
9.25
>> for those elementary schools. this would
a new restroom would not be part of
that. We would need to work with the
school district and figure out what do
either you know portable restrooms or
you know some alternative okay
>> look like at least in this first phase.
I I you know I think as we look at
squeezing as much
um value and functionality out of out of
this investment we'd see it going
towards the the field itself and then
maybe a future phase is taking again
what would be maybe portable restrooms
and converting those into um a permanent
restroom.
All good questions.
don't have all the answers. And I think
this is important to know. We we as
staff wouldn't want all the answers,
right? If we're thinking of a package of
investments like this and and you know,
as I've shared multiple times, we would
still plan on doing community engagement
on all of these projects during the
design phase to really help have the
community help inform um some of those
design uh decisions um in getting uh
this done.
other near-term uh priorities that came
out of the park system plan that are
identified in the park system plan as
near-term priorities. If you looked at
page I don't have it marked anymore. Um,
I can get you the page number.
Turn
page.
Don't have my readers on. 86. Um, shows
the list of near-term uh projects. Um,
Anthology Linear Park. Um, that is um
off of Newport. The Anthology Apartments
uh currently functioning as a trail.
There's a boardwalk that puts you out
sort of right by Formula Brewing.
There's two really small nodes of grass
that um are some opportunities for um
investment there.
Hillside Park Loop Trail, you're
familiar with that. Um um has a a pretty
high level of complexity uh still and
trying to figure out um
a number of of issues. Um it doesn't
feel completely ready. Pickering Barn
Park is really the the lawn area around
Pickering Barn um is opportunity for
something knowing there's not a lot of
residential in that area right now. Um
we felt geographically um some other
projects um and investments felt more
compelling in terms of uh benefiting
residents and being nearby and closer to
residents. Um
>> although there's that big townhouse unit
that's going on just like a block
right next to where the the isos
district.
>> Oh, a couple blocks to the north. Right.
>> It's just like right there.
>> Sort of on the on the east side of the
state park.
>> Yeah.
>> Huge.
>> Yeah, good point. Um Squawk Valley Park
redevelopments. That's our park furthest
south. I think we've talked, you know,
that was built 20 years ago. Um there's
I think what was intended as small
athletic fields, it isn't really
functioning um as it could. And so
you're familiar with with some of those
questions. Um lots of questions. Again,
um I think one of the biggest questions
of Squawk Valley Park is access. um
getting to and from um given um travel
times etc. Uh Veterans Memorial Depot
Park, we're familiar with that
redevelopment really that second phase
of and the next phase or couple phases
of the pedestrian park senior center
plaza project. Um I would not call that
mediumsiz um project. Um, a new
neighborhood park in West uh, Isa
Highlands as residential is really
taking or what was planned on the west
side of Highlands Drive as um, um,
corporate and office space way back
isn't that it's now residential. Uh,
there's not really a public neighborhood
park on that side of the park. This has
been identified as a a near-term and
medium-term. We've actually identified a
piece of city-owned property. Uh but
again the development of a brand new
neighborhood park brings with it a a
much higher cost.
So it's more scale. Mountains of sand
greenway trail remains a near-term
priority. All these remain a near-term
priority. Um that work is predominantly
going to be done on rideway. Um so you
know sidewalk type work uh that brings
with it a very high cost. also brings
with it. You wouldn't want to sequence
um trail sidewalk work. If uh in a
couple years there's road work that
needs to be done um you'd want to
incorporate that with um with um street
investment, transportation um
investments. Uh and then though not in
our park plan, certainly part of the
feasibility study we did in 2022 and
2023, um expansion of the Julius Bone
Pool, we want to um remind council of of
that also as an identified near-term
priority.
Continuing on on that sort of this
project side of questions that council
had um um the next set of questions they
had really pertained to all right what
if we didn't just do a renewal what what
if what if the size of the ask was a
little bigger what could we get done
this is not meant to be the only three
options like I said earlier there's
probably there's 50 scenarios that could
be created but this is really meant to
kind of think of some bookends
um uh the first um option is really the
one we just talked through and that's um
and we'll be clear with council that
right now is is mayor and
administration's recommended rate that
we keep this as a renewal um at 8 cents
per 10,000 of assessed valuation
uh what that would project in revenue in
combination of the bond proceeds and
park impact fees uh that we could
leverage it with and grants uh we're at
23 to $24 million package uh that would
complete the package of projects we just
talked through
if we were to consider doubling that
from 8 cents to 16 cents. So what this
translates to is at 8 cents per 1000 if
you own a million dollar home just to
use round numbers. Um uh this is really
a request to voters to say with this
bond expiring, do you want your $80 a
year back or would you like to continue
reinvesting your $80 a year in this next
wave of park bond
with 16 cents? We'd basically be saying,
"Hey voters, would you like to keep your
$80
instead of having your $80 back, keep
your $80 investment and add 80 more
dollars,
80 new dollars to that to to translate
to a 47 48, you know, just under $50
million package that again in in concept
could accomplish all that was done in
the 8 cent package plus do the Julius
Bone pool expansion. Um, put another
way,
the 8 cents could come close to doing
the pool expansion and that's it. Um,
but if there was a desire to do a
combination thereof, we would look at
needing to really double that rate. Um,
another option, again,
there's a million scenarios within this.
If we were to sort of cut that or split
the split the difference and say, "Hey,
what's a 12 cent per levy?" So, again,
reinvest your $80
on that $80 a year on that million-doll
home and add another $40
um
to get a 12cent package. That again is
right in the middle. somewhere in the
$34 million range. Um, you know, in that
scenario, we could complete uh the
package of projects above plus some
other of those near-term priorities. Um,
any combination of not meant to say that
those three are the are the ones, but
wouldn't necessarily fund a pool
expansion or you could do the pool
expansion and a smaller combination of
the 8 cent the 8 cent projects. Um, this
is really meant to just facilitate some
conversation here tonight, but also
facilitate conversation with council.
Um, I'll show this other slide uh to
really as as we've analyzed options. We
don't mean to say we know, we haven't
done we don't necessarily have time to
do scientific sample surveying with the
community. Um, it's important to
remember any any park bond package
requires 60% voter approval and not 50%.
Um so as we start looking at that um
administration and mayor um are really
rem recommending that 8 cent uh levy
rate um that $80
um renewal um um because it is a renewal
that maintains the current re levy rate.
We're not asking voters for additional
funding on top of it. We feel like
that's a much simpler financial message
to give to voters. Um
it would still result in 20, you know,
$24 million would still result in the
largest park investment package um that
this city's made through a a a very
strong successful history of park bond
renewals or park bond uh funding for uh
for park projects here in Isiqua. Uh,
and then lastly, and I think it's really
important, it leaves room for other
voter approved funding requests in the
future. This isn't this would be a
renewal. We're not this isn't eating
into the city's debt capacity. There'd
still be debt capacity for some other
future measure. Um, not to say that this
is going to happen, but for example,
that 2013 park bond that too will expire
um um could expire in 2033. So that's
not too far from now. Um, you know, is
that an opportunity for another park
bond renewal after, you know, these
these projects are being done or some
other some other funding package? Um, so
with all of those um sort of
considerations, there's a a feeling
right now that staying at the 8 cents
presents a um a a
robust yet relatively simple message.
thoughts, questions on this slide, even
feedback on this slide would be super
helpful as I'm gonna be presenting this
to council tomorrow night. So, um
>> I just think benchmarking is
interesting, right? It's Katie was just
showing me like what happened Belleview
has did a 20 cent bond
that they did in 2023. And then I
>> I'll get to that slide. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, it's okay. Yeah.
>> And then King's was 23 cents. that had
70% passing. Right.
>> Right. But those were Yeah. Yeah. We'll
we'll get to that coming up. Yep.
>> Can you just explain the grants and
other how you get to those numbers
because right the seven So you have your
17 million bond proceeds with three
million grants
>> and then you double it, right? But
but instead of three, you you get 10
million grants. So you're getting more
bang for your buck with grants
>> potentially. Again, this is all
conceptual. Again, the re the reason for
it is if we were to do the pool
expansion is not going to happen solely
this month, but we're going to need that
that
>> that pool project alone, we'll need to
go get additional grant money.
>> So whether that's uh through the school
district, whether that's through King
County, um you know, this isn't meant to
say it's guaranteed. Hey, it's a law.
This is really just meant to try and
project um how might we leverage those
proceeds and and not just the proceeds,
but how do we leverage the projects that
we're trying to get done?
>> Right. So, it's not you're right. It
could have been simpler math would have
just said, hey, $6 million, you know,
we're just going to proportionally say
six. Um this is really meant to say hey
to to you know a project like a pool
expansion we really think and would want
that a project of that size and scale to
leverage
additional grant money.
>> I think that it it could um
>> Jeff I'm gonna um I hope this is
helpful. I built slides for living. So
>> I'm wondering if maybe you want to in
the top there like something like
potential scenario
>> over options because options I look at
options and I think which one
>> oh that's the only one
>> do I want and and that there are these
three options. So you may want to just
>> No, that's a great that's a great point.
Thank you. Because they're not meant to
No, don't because they're not meant to
be like I said like single. This is it.
These are
>> scenarios is a much better word. Thank
you.
>> Um,
so
I'm looking at the packets of projects
in the first just the first bucket
there, if you will.
>> I get the egg house is
would be cool and everything. I just
don't know. It just doesn't jump out.
>> It doesn't jump out at me. And like I is
that really the first thing we want to
lead with? You know, I just feel like
what's the real you know what
>> what is the thing that's really going to
move the needle for our community or the
most of people in our community.
>> Yeah.
>> With this and the e house is not going
to do it.
>> No, that's you're right. And there was
no intentions,
>> you know,
>> you would sequence it different.
>> I would sequence it differently. And I
great black city council members who
are, you know, family members or had,
you know, or raised their family here.
And we got to go after family. You got
to go after,
>> you know, just those community park
amenities on the athletic fields in my
mind, I think, are the the the most
important.
>> Whole trail thing. You know, I'm a big
hiker. Of course, I would love that to
happen as well, but man, I think that's
that's what we're really we're really
striving for here, honestly. I think
>> No, thank you, Martha. You're absolutely
right. Yeah, and I think as we've talked
through this, we we've had no
intentionality of sequencing or or
marketing these. But you're right, from
a okay, what are the what are the
central points of this project?
the role of a citizen group because
again I I think just to talk through the
scenario right it's
>> at a point again if there's consensus
around this and if this is something
that council wants to put on the ballot
and feels compelling like hey this is
we're we're going to do this um once
council passes that resolution
um it's really the role of staff is is
educator
And the role of campaign fundraising,
buying the signs, sign waving is done by
a citizen group, right? That that again,
you know, that's sort of this next, as I
was saying, that that that that
transition of staff voice begins to
diminish, community voice becomes really
really important. I think you're spot on
and you're and you're jumping right to
that. Like
I can't sell this project,
>> right? you as a community if if this is
the bill and you want to do it, you're
the ones
>> selling the
No, thank you and thank you and and yes,
I I I will work with that citizen group,
but my role is
>> to stay in my lane. Yeah.
>> Right. I hear you say is this word sold
on the I feel like we keep using it as
the example of the thing that everyone's
like
>> say that again
>> I do but
>> I'm just wanting to know like get us in
this group if we're the ones who are
going to sell this but I feel like every
time we have a meeting everyone's like
well I don't know about the echo like
>> yeah I I like
>> every time I walk and drive compost park
is one my favorite part so every time I
walk there drive by it park there walk
the kids and walk back whatever I just
think to myself, man, this could be
something really cool.
>> Like, man, this could be something
really cool for this community.
>> It also wouldn't be boarded up and
burnt.
>> And I I think it could be something
really cool. And I think,
>> you know, similar, you go down there and
there's like I forget what it's called,
but like there's the concerts, you know,
down there. So, you could you could
really incorporate that into the space
and have it be be something cool. And I
think one of the things I like about it
along with some of these others is like
when you're going up to community and
saying, "Hey, we want you to invest in
this." It's another one of the projects
where you can invest in it and then it
can get more revenue.
>> Oh, absolutely.
>> But no, I I like that. I'm probably
like
>> I keep being like,
are we sneaking in the or we all like
the right?
>> Great question. Great question. And I I
would like just like to kind of point
out, you know, we all have our own tech
projectile, right? I mean, we we all see
that. And so the big question we should
ask ourselves is is that we're here to
represent the community,
>> the the people of this town. And the
reality is is that we have younger
families and we have high school
students or you know students and older
people who they I mean the the for me
Julius B school expansion should be up
there and and it's because you know it's
it's um we live with trails mountains
but we have Lake Washington every year
we hear of um drownings you know and so
so swimming and and an opportunity to
teach young people how to swim. It's
it's important and and I feel like um
that is something that we should really
be focusing on and and um you know for
those who could afford to buy um
memberships, they could, you know, go to
Edgebrook or they could go to Samina and
whatnot, but not everybody has that kind
of means. And so we look toward a
community pool as a, you know, for older
people to look at it for exercise, you
know, lap swimming, um, high school
kids, you know, to like unwind.
>> Yes.
>> Um, and it just a good skills and it
talk about making it equitable because
not every family can have their kids
enroll in the is plus one team, right?
So they they rely on
the community pool to um enroll their
kids into summer camps and stuff like
that. So for me I I I get it. Everybody
is passionate because we we want what we
want. But the thing is we need to look
at what what will serve the whole
community from old to young and to to be
inclusive.
Is there a way to split the pool
thing to get it funded? Like
>> that's what I was wondering too. Like
could we split the pool off and like
just try to get the pool funded too?
>> Think that that would like
>> I feel like that I'm with you. It's so
tired.
>> Can I interject for just a second? I'm
sorry. Diana, I saw you had your hand up
for a little while and it just went off
and I just want to make sure you have
the opportunity to speak because we
can't see you and you can't see us.
>> Oh yeah, we can't see each other. Well,
thank you. Um, I don't know. I felt like
the time for commenting had passed
because I also wanted to talk about the
e house.
>> Okay, I'll go get back to Katie's point.
Yeah.
>> Say again.
>> Go for it. It's your turn.
>> Oh, sure. I mean, I I person I don't
know. Are we really a minority? I really
favor the idea. Um, I think envisioning
it as an event space seems like it fills
a niche that needs to be filled because
I see a lot of events are scheduled at
Pickering Barn and that's not a location
that's particularly central to Isakqua.
It's like north of I90. It's way in a uh
kind of corporate business park and it's
just not it's like not in the heart of
the community. So, I think having an
additional community space would be
really nice.
Thank you. If you you really want to
have a um journey one afternoon is you
can go look at the park board minutes
from somewhere in I think mid 2021 and
you can find the rendering of it.
>> Oh um I I think that was actually
presented in a previous set of slides or
something. Am I wrong? Am I
hallucinating this?
>> No, you're right, D. That
>> okay. Yeah,
>> the April the April council presentation
I utilized.
>> Yes, that's right.
Yeah. Yeah. So Katie, excellent points.
Yeah. The the the pool um is extremely
popular and overprescribed in many ways
and and I think the opportunity for
expansion is certainly
not only compelling, but I I it it does
remain a priority. And and
I think as as we're trying to look at
this renewal and what this renewal can
capture, I again I I'm open and want to
hear discussion
because I we're in a game of tradeoffs,
right? So is the pool
singular and and you know what what can
be done for this eight cents, right? How
do we and I think that's sort of the
first question is is do we consider
asking voters for renewal and if we do
what package can be presented to
residents that gives
diversity for that 8 cents? Um
it if if
we wanted to
add the pool and do a little less I get
that's these scenarios. Thank you. Not
options. These scenarios,
I think, try and represent that tradeoff
of do we think there's enough time
between now and November
to to define the problem, define the
opportunity, and not only ask voters to
renew that $80, but ask them for more
money. Um,
and have 60% of them say yes. Do do we
think we have the time to do that? Um,
to Marlene's question of do do we
consider a separate vote, there's I'm
not a I'm not a campaign strategist, but
I've certainly heard enough and I've
been in enough been enough seminars to
know there's often challenges when the
same jurisdiction presents two ballot
measures. They often compete with one
another
>> and sometimes they in a way almost dimin
they pick each other off. Well, I'm not
going to do that one. I'm going to do
that one. And neither get 60. Neither
get 60. They both get 54 or 55. Right.
So, um, there's just I think we're
trying to be and and the current
economic state that we're in nationally
and locally. Um,
again, if we're to ask voters for
something, it feels
more strategic and more realistic to
say, "Hey, we're voters, we're really
interested in um," again, I I'm totally
oversimplifying, but would you like your
$80 in your back or would you like to
have that $80 to do something it could
never do on its own? keep that $80 being
invested and and multiply with everyone
else's $80 to do at least a semblance of
some of some stuff.
>> It's just not a change, right? Like
they're already paying it.
>> What's that? They're already paying.
That's
>> Yeah,
>> exactly.
>> Whereas any of those other scenarios,
we'd be saying, "Hey, renew plus we want
some more. We want some additional
money." And that again just is a
financially harder and and in fact we'll
get to um and maybe I will segue just as
we're talking about.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Would you mind just going back to the
table?
>> Which one?
>> This one.
>> Yeah. They come
to the stop and ask your thought about
I'm cur specifically curious on that
package of projects
>> which those scenarios
>> interesting to you and do you have any
other thoughts about
>> Yeah. I mean, uh, I've definitely been
to Conf Park and definitely have, you
know, a lot of times they just walk
right by and they don't really realize
exactly what the house is. So, I
definitely think
>> it would be helpful because I think a
lot of people don't really know what the
use is, but I think, you know, uh, you
can,
>> you know, if it was passed, I feel like,
and it was improved, then many more
people would use it. Um,
>> are there any like are there like two to
three things on that list that you could
see you and your friends do?
>> Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean um I think you
know the athletic fields, the community
park amenities. Um yeah, I mean I think
obviously trails are uh a good thing but
I feel like uh you won't get as much
community uh like not as much of the
community using the trails as they are
using the athletic fields and the park
amenities. I think that those are just
going to be more beneficial to the
community.
>> Thanks for that.
>> A nice variety of stuff.
>> It is. Yeah,
>> that's the goal. I'm going to I'm going
to jump past vision. Uh we can jump back
to it, but I think this is more timely
with the conversation we're having. What
do we learn maybe from the last five
years? There are five ballot measures
that were taken by by different cities.
Some were levies, some were bonds. Um, I
would explain the difference. So, the
levy, a levy only takes 50%, but you can
only fund as you go. you can only, you
know, like the the you're you're able to
invest the proceeds year-over-year
versus a bond. You're asking for a
longer term and you're getting a a
bigger chunk of money up front. Um
you're you're you're putting money on a
credit card, if you will, and the and
the and the property the bond measure,
the the levy increase is paying off that
credit card. Um, super oversimplified
there. Uh, Shoreline did a 20-year park
bond. Um, a 20 cents. A portion of this
was a renewal. Um, um, and an and uh, an
expansion. Um, um, it, um, passed
highly. It was very, uh, the projects
were very much related to the priorities
within its city park plan. So again,
these weren't projects that came out of
nowhere. There's some certainly some
similarities there that that we're
trying to give a message. Uh Belleview
was a levy. Uh the term of that levy was
9 years. Uh this was a renewal plus. So
it was a expiring levy at 12 cents uh
that they um um added 8 cents to to go
to 20 cents. It passed only by 55%. Um
uh this was a lot of maintenance and
operations and not necessar small amount
of capital projects. Um
um in talking with Belleview staff as
this was happening, I can tell you that
there was uh some community opposition
to the expansion piece. Um and it barely
a levy a levy only needs 50%. Um and so
there was some tension around this one
because of that increment of increase.
Um, Mercer Island similarly has
historically had a park levy that funds
a predominant amount of their
maintenance and operation. Again, this
is not a bond, but a a levy. Um um they
have a pretty heavy reliance. It's a
it's a pretty high levy rate at 86 cents
per 10,000. Um um again, a majority of
that was a renewal um passing at 64 uh%.
King County just recently last fall um
approved their six-year levy. This has
been a six-year levy that's been going
on since 2003. So, every six years since
2003, King County has sent out its park
levy. You're all really familiar with
that.
Um that has grown over the years and is
now at 18 uh cents per 10,000.
uh that passed countywide at 72% passed
within Isiqua at 71%.
Um and then um in 2023
um Kirkland um sought a permanent park
levy at 28 cents per 10,000. Uh this was
a predominantly a a series of capital
improvements. Um most significantly a
new aquatic center and community center.
um um and a number of other projects um
had a lot of controversy, concern
um surrounding it um and uh failed at um
40% approval.
Not here to pass judgment on any of
these, but just, you know, historically
that's some some context as as to other
and each of these communities has a
history with voter requests um and and
voter approved um measures related to
parks as well as other other funding
sources. But um
any questions? I know I think Marlene or
Katie, you might have had a question
related to this slide.
>> I was just more curious like what what
do we know? We don't have time because
we're not going to have time to do like
a statistically significant
>> polling and survey. Like what do we what
do we know?
>> Yeah. Yeah. What we do know is the city
of Isquas never asked for this high of a
levy rate. And any of these, you know,
86 cents, 20 cents, 28 cents would
represent a much a much bigger ask than
isqua's ever asked.
>> Looking at this made made me feel like
why stop at 8 cents, right? I mean,
people 16, right?
>> And and and I think that, you know, it's
it's
>> just me. I I because people who live in
Isaba move to Isab because we love what
Isaba provides and and you know we talk
about inflation. I mean look at our
property taxes, right? So I I feel like
um it's it's not unreasonable for us to
expect, you know, go from 8 cents to
maybe 12 cents um to kind of maintain
what we have or maybe
>> add a little bit extra.
>> So um
>> good point.
>> You know, I yeah, I don't think it's
it's unreasonable.
>> And I don't Yeah. Yeah. Again, I the
only caution I would give is never asked
that, right? Each community has its
cadence. And so, um, what what is that
tolerance that Israel voters have that
60% of Isabelle voters have? I I'll be
honest, I don't know. None of us know
>> and we haven't done and don't say again
have time to do it scientific sample.
>> We want it to pass.
Oh, no. I was just thinking
I mean even though these places pass
much much higher
well most of them um I
>> range
>> I do think that with inflation and with
the pinch that a lot of our families are
feeling. I mean, is aqua we we are a
very fortunate community. Um, but we
still have a really wide variety of
socioeconomic families here. Um,
I think asking for the 8 cents still
knowing that it's going to be able to do
a lot
will do, you know, is is maybe going to
be a really comfortable ask. Um, and
then having the door open because I feel
really strongly about. So, um, leaving
that open to ask for just that and to
rally and fight for that
>> the next go around like I'll be ready
for it, right? So, um, I'm like super I
I just
>> I don't know. My only concern would be,
you know, it's like you ask one and then
>> and then ask another one and it's like
some voters like when are they going to
stop, you know? So we
>> Yeah. And
>> but that's how we already feel.
>> Does it feel like we're
>> Yeah. I mean, but like what's our
assumption of do we have any assumptions
about we're at we we think we want to
ask this November and then when do we
assume the next ask would be the last
one was 2013 when so it's 2026 what I
mean so
>> okay again no no assumptions but you
know again I think that prior slide is
really to say to to keep this at 8 cents
keeps our remaining our our debt
capacity full, meaning it's not tapping
into new debt capacity. Um, I don't say
this as an assumption. I just say that
this is that 2013 bond is going to
expire
somewhere around 2033. Not to say we
have to wait that long, but you know
that that if if
asking voters to renew a bond becomes a
strategy worth considering, that is
certainly could be timing for another
one. I think another thing we have to be
really realistic with is just our own
staff capacity. We're not we're not a
large organization. And so if we wanted
to do a $60 million package now right
away, we would have to add staff. We
would have to there there's a there's a
a size reality to to what it takes to
accomplish all of that at once. Um just
trying to be practical and and
realistic. So I I think the other the
other piece as we've been talking
something I've been envisioning in my
mind is um and again I'm a consultant so
if this is too consultant you tell me to
stop talking but you know very often
when we're trying to gather input when I
work with clients and trying to gather
input from employees or whoever um we
kind of clear out a space like this and
we do um what we call a um I'm blanking
uh a like a gallery walk. And so, you
know, if you imagine like this space
like with a poster of what uh you know,
a poster of like what the uh the egg
house would look like or what the fields
would look like or like because like we
go through these,
>> you know, even like the um uh anthology
linear park, uh Pickering Barn part like
there's a difference between seeing this
as bullets on a slide
>> to seeing like here are,
>> you know, 8 to 12 options and we're
going to invite the community in. We're
going to get space in the library or
wherever it is and invite the community
in and have, you know, people, you know,
available to answer their questions, but
like
>> post-it notes and saying, I like this, I
like that, you know, and it's not like a
scientific study, but at least it gives
us more data
>> than, you know, um, than what we have
now. So, you know, I just
>> attention.
>> Sorry.
>> It would grab my attention because
>> would be definitely like
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, I'd be I'd be curious about
like, you know, setting up in your
school cafeteria.
>> You know what I mean? I mean, I'm I'm
thinking I'm totally, you know,
>> and so that's why I'm wondering if but
I, you know, we're also running up
against
>> a a pretty quick timeline and
um,
you know, so
anyway,
>> yeah, is there time to do that? But I
think
that putting in that work early makes
our chances of passing uh in my opinion
a lot higher.
>> Don't don't disagree, but also know we
don't have all those renderings and all
that work
>> and all that all that
all that is needed to do well. We we
don't we don't have it,
>> you know. And so there is a a runway
reality, a a shot clock reality.
>> I kind of would wonder
>> I would put on the table a possibility
of
postponing
so that we can do that and maybe ask for
a higher
>> I I feel like we did that and sorry
>> then it wouldn't be a renewal.
>> Then it wouldn't be a renewal. It would
be you know 12 cents or 16 cents. Is
there
>> all good? Oh, yeah.
>> Thank you.
>> To your knowledge, I don't have this
knowledge. I don't recall slide.
>> Is there anything other than isqua
school related
bonds and levies
that voters have had in the last five
years specific to Isiqua versus like
King County?
>> Uh things that have gone to the Isiqua
voters. Um other than the other than the
school to school bonds and then the
current levy, there was a last five
years. No, post pandemic. There was a
transportation bond that city of Isqua
took to voters
20 I got here in 2016. I think it was
2017.
Does that feel about right? Those of you
that might remember um
that that failed. Um, and I think for a
variety of reasons it it failed. Um,
>> so in terms of cuz you're like just one
of the things you had in your three
bullet points of like do you support
what we're trying to do here? Do you
have any feedback, etc.?
>> Yeah.
>> And understanding that, you know, the
feedback I have comes from the fact that
I'm already on the park board, so my
keen interest is in parking and
recreation and open spaces and trails.
And so like to me I'm like
in my time other than the school stuff I
haven't seen anything that's gone out to
the community other than King County
said we want more money from you. Can
you provide this? And
I I would believe that you could get
your 16 cents if I'm being completely
honest. But I might have those
rosecolored glasses. Uh if you told the
people you're already paying eight and
we're just trying to get them look for
16. Can you make it happen? That being
said,
I I like a a road easier to travel.
>> So, if the request is nothing's going to
change for you
and you'll still get all these things,
cool. I think you're going to get much
more. I think the chance of having
success at that is significantly higher.
Even though
the really cool things you could do with
double
I think the problem is we don't have the
data to know how many right like so
because like I'm kind of with you I'm
like okay if somebody is already I think
the people who are going to vote no on
the parts are going to vote no matter
how much it is.
>> Yeah. But the question you'd have to
figure out is the margin of the people
who the 8 to 12 matters and I don't know
how big that number is because I also
think to your point there's a whole
bunch of people who was like eight is 12
and 16 I always picks I don't know how
big each of those buckkins are like
>> and we don't either
>> well and I feel like the word renewal
right like nothing's going to change
like that I feel like that moves the
ticker
>> well it's the easiest solution
>> and that's I think why the mayor is
jumping on this part.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. The mayor is like this is a
moment time that we can jump on. This is
when you'll have the word.
>> I think that's to your point exactly
like if you're asking for not me as
board chair's recommendation but me just
right Olson citizen sitting across from
you that has interest in this is like I
think I'd fully support just the renewal
in its space by itself. one also then I
think um
okay I'll put on a little bit of a
campaign hat but then as the person
that's the new mayor of the city can
come in and say I'm not asking anything
else from you than you're already
providing and I can do these things for
you and deliver and
right now those goals align with what
we're sitting here on this board talking
about because we already have interest
in park and trails such and so I think
from like that lens of hey it's Well,
you're already paying for this. Let's
make it happen. Is it's an easier
campaign hat to hold on to or a sign to
wave at the corner of Front Street,
>> you know, whatever is
>> like, you know,
>> it's an it's it's an ass. It's an
ambitious ass, but it feels safer.
>> Yeah.
>> Without having all the D because again,
we're we're
>> I'll be honest with you all. I'll be
honest with the community. I'll be
honest with K. We're we're pursuing this
without the data.
Right. We're doing this on gut. Um, and
I think it's a good gut. The projects
aren't guts. The projects are directly
out of what the community has told us is
really important to them. And the
community said, "Hey, we we want these
reinvestments. We want this type of
redevelopment our park system." That's
the least gut part that I think we're so
we're really I feel solid that what
we're proposing is of strong interest in
this community. The gut is how much.
So thank you all of you for this. So
this is really good and why I think at
that gut why again as as mayor um and
administration the feeling is
8 cents feels like the the
the safer simpler message to package
>> safe and it's simple but it's not going
to elevate it.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Like so I think it's like we're
going to maintain status quo
>> pack household. I feel like that's
jewelry eyes. Like that's
>> I think that Yeah, I think it will
elevate, right? It's not You're right.
It's not a expanded pool,
>> but like the level set expectations
drive around here. If I'm new and I'm
moving, I'm going to be like, "Oh, I'm
manag
>> like what we're planning to hear is just
going to maybe get keep us somewhat at
par, maybe a little under my
perspective." Well,
>> that's fair. That's safe. I I think it's
getting our part our
say this. I'm the parks director. The
TV's on. Hi, everybody. Yeah. Our our
the functionality of our city park
system is below par.
>> Oh, absolutely.
>> It is. It has been for decades.
>> It has. So, so, so I can tell you all as
a park professional, we are we are
playing catchup and we've been playing
catchup
>> for a long time. In eight sense, eight
sense, I'd say there's a degree of
catch-up, but it's you're right. This
isn't moving
the park system to a super high degree
of functionality all at once. But I
think it's saying, "Hey voters, here's a
rate that you've been comfortable with.
Um, do you consider reinvesting at that
rate in a from January 1st to November
8th?" That's a really small window to
try and say, hey, do we, you know, what
do we ask the voters for? It does feel
the safest. There's nothing sure at 60%,
but it feels more sure than building a
compelling case to say, "Hey, we'd love
you to double that rate." That feels, as
a professional, that feels super risky.
And I could be totally wrong. And if you
all think differently or or or feel like
60% of your community is ready to to do
that, um I
>> Well, didn't the school bonds also not
passed because people felt like there
wasn't enough information or wasn't like
it wasn't built on enough foundational
information.
There were a lot of
>> Yeah, it was it was mismanagement funds
and a few articles came out in the
Seattle Times about you know the
mismanaging
>> especially the high school
>> there's additional funding needed for
the same project.
>> Okay. So it's not like can't parallel
>> in the price of
>> I think what we'd be asking voters for
is we're not asking to fund something
that hey we already came to you and said
you were going to fund and they just
need a little bit more money. So I I
don't think this ask is a parallel with
the context right plus the is school
district
that that voter base is half of Samish
all of Isiqua part of Belleview part of
Reton right I mean is school district is
>> know that
>> much bigger
>> much bigger than city
>> skyline high school all the way to
Liberty you know
>> Samish is cut in half like Washington
school district and school district meet
right in the middle of
>> Skyland and East Lake are practically if
you consider in the same district.
>> Well, you throw East Catholic right
between those three. It's it's high
school.
>> Yeah.
>> Anyways,
>> fun facts.
>> I could jump in,
>> please.
>> I would love, you know, you know, I
would love to
fund enough for Tibbitz and an aquatic
center and, you know, kind of this grand
vision. Uh but I just listening and then
thinking I think there's going to be one
word that is huge in this next
collection that's affordability.
And I and as much as I would love to go,
you know, say let's go for something
bigger. uh the the 8 cent 8% and renewal
only might uh do better when that's that
one word is going to be thrown about
affordability next election probably the
biggest word that we're going to hear or
the most common
really good points
so we're almost at time this has been a
great discussion thank you all Um, I can
please, you know,
um, as far as vision statement, I'm not
I'm not going to read that. Um, please
take the time to look at the slides. Um,
what we really tried to do with staff is
pull right out of page 10 of the park
plan. The the core values and the vision
that came from all of that community
outreach and all that work with you
around those key words of connectivity,
vibrancy, balance, and resiliency. Um um
understanding um park bonds have been a
history in this community for funding
park projects. Um we really think it it
it it lends to a vision for this
renewal. Um that can all be word smith.
That's not meant to be the final uh
vision. You know, again, if this is
something council um says yes to and and
and passes a resolution, there's going
to be really a lot of time this summer,
June, July, um that would need to be in
forming a citizen group and that citizen
group really starting to do that
visioning work and and building those
compelling stories. We as staff coming
alongside and helping provide
information um to to all that to all
that work. So, um,
thoughts, questions, comments? Um, just
want to I I haven't had my eyes on the
screen. I just want to see Dan, did you
have a hand up a little bit ago and I
missed that?
I was peeking at something and I saw
Jeff drop off and I didn't know there's
a hand up or not.
doesn't look like
>> make sure I didn't miss something
because I didn't have my I was looking
this way for a little while.
>> When is meeting tomorrow?
>> What's that?
>> The meeting for tomorrow.
>> Absolutely. It's 6:30 um at the city
council chambers aka city hall south um
south side of sunset.
Yes, there's public comment. Um please
come. There'll be public comment at the
beginning of the meeting. Uh there's an
agenda item before ours that I think is
is intended to go like 45 minutes. So
this discussion won't start till
probably 7:15.
Um there'll be u room uh for public
comment um in this item too after the
staff presentation and council
discussion. So, um you could be there on
the front end of the meeting to provide
public comment or um provide your public
comment during the um the the topic of
this conversation. Um the chair of the
safety services committee is um council
member Adair um
former former park board member. So um
you know Paul he'll he will create a
very safe space for any and all any and
all public comment. So um
>> well all the council members I don't
mean to say any of them would but um
>> I'm sure he would wave and say hi and
happy to happy to see you all.
I think it's important. I do know that,
you know, as as these these projects
have drawn interest from Israel Alps
Trails Club, uh the pickle ball
community, um any number the historical
museum, uh so um it's certainly the
thought that there will be other
residents there that will be providing
some of their context and comments,
which again I think is so so important.
The council really deserves and needs to
hear from residents. Um,
I have a role to play, but my role can't
be the and shouldn't be the community
voice. It's it's not your voice is far
more important than mine in a lot of
these things. So,
>> cool. Um, were there any additional
answers or feedback on these?
If not, do we want to
log on reports
to the feels like
one of your questions is do we as a
group have
>> I think we're all aligned on eight but
think maybe there's room for more
>> eight or maybe it's an eight plus dot.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. And it's not I'm not forcing or
want you to feel forced to to take an
action tonight, you know. I I do think
that whether it's May 18th and I won't
be here, you know, and and but Robin
will be at the meeting tomorrow night.
Robin and Laura will be um at the
meeting on the 18th. Uh you'll be
talking park rules. Uh a lot of that
will come back from the survey, but
there'll be room also for park bond
renewal conversations. So, um um
ideally, you know, there it would be
nice to have some degree of I think
council's going to ask for some type of
park board recommendation here towards
that end of May because they'll have a
decision point they really need to make
by June for us to begin lining up,
getting stuff to King County elections
and all all the mechanics that go with
um taking something to a to a ballot. So
again, thank you. I can't I can't thank
you all enough for just this really good
conversation.
>> Reporting close out this is if I I'm was
looking on the site for a song copy of
your uh big packet there. The uh is that
the plan?
>> Oh, the park plan.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm trying to find it. Can somebody send
a PDF the group just to
>> Absolutely.
>> Yeah. I I I I may have it somewhere, but
I looked on the website. I don't see it.
>> It's there. It's probably stuck in the
labyrinth, but yeah. Yeah. Laura, I will
send you all a PDF of this whole
>> Thank you. Is that that
>> great Thank you. Thank you, chair.
>> Did you Did you have Will you have the
floor? Did you have any other reporting
that he like to
bless us with?
>> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for most
of you that were able to come to the
dock park ribbon cutting. There's a
video out. I was going to show it
tonight. If you haven't seen it, please
take a look at it. Um that was a really
funny thing. And Bug Bug Chris's dog was
the star of the
>> completely. And as far and the star of
the video, um yes, tough when a dog gets
a big head. I I hope dog is still
behaving now.
Um but no, thank you all and and the
community has has loved that investment.
Um
>> it's been really fun to go as a park
board member and then talk to um you
know just our citizens if you will and
there there's been some really positive
feedback.
>> That's great to hear
and and I I I will connect it to I think
this question we're asking.
Yeah. just injecting my park
professional perspective. Big projects
are compelling. They're rich. They're
wonderful to aspire to and we want to
still aspire to them. But medium-sized
projects, smallsiz projects can make a a
huge difference in the function of a
system. And I know they don't feel like
they move the needle much, but
to see these little investments we've
made and how they've moved the needle.
Um,
we can continue to move the needle and
probably not catch up. I'm going to get
Marlene when I made I made the comment.
We are our park system is behind,
but I I I think there's ways we can
catch up and ask the community to to to
keep furthering their investments.
So that's it for director. Thank you.
>> Let's move over to our youth
representative. Nick, what do you got
for us?
>> Oh yeah. Um first to uh you know make it
last comment in the room. I just uh yeah
I think it's a it's almost like a step
in the right direction and well
obviously it takes time for any uh
system to catch up you know. I think
it's just a good step in the direction.
Um, so I think you know just the bonus
note that's one positive step in the
right direction but it won't affect your
portability I think is will make it help
hopefully make it pass.
Um, and then in two weeks uh me and
Robin are actually planning to present
my capstone project um to the park
board.
>> So yeah, I guess stay tuned for that.
>> Thank you Nick. Thank you. I'm sorry I'm
going to miss it, but thank you for your
work you've done with Rob. I know
>> the presentation will be great.
>> Thank you.
>> Very cool. Um I do not have anything
specific. I did lead at the beginning of
the meeting um that we'll be voting for
new or replacement or the same chair and
vice chair next week uh next meeting.
So, if you do have uh uh interest in any
of that and have um want to know what
the commitment is, for those of you that
may have interest, feel free to just
email me um or give me a call or shoot
me a text and I can kind of give you
more of a fill in on what commitment
that looks like. Um and and what you
could expect if you want to step into
one of those roles. And I know having
sat through a couple of these now, uh,
if everyone's like, "Just do it again."
You don't have to worry about it when
they get there. You can just say, "Do it
again or you can take a roll." So, I'll
just put that out there because it seems
like it seems like the last couple times
there's been like this stare around the
room where
you now. So,
I'm perfectly happy either way. And I
can't speak for David, but I'm I'm sure
he would say the same. Um, or we'd love
to have someone else take the helm or
the vice helm
and rotate it through. It's it's as
persons on this board and committee.
It's fun to be a part of the community.
Um, and get to see what we're working on
in these manners and not just, you know,
uh, seeing it when the changes happen,
but getting a little more peel back at
the cover as chair, vice chair is great,
too.
Um, is there any other items that
anybody has to discuss at the last
little bit here?
Excellent. Again, thank you public
commenters. We really appreciate the
feedback. Um, our next meeting has
already been discussed multiple times
here, but May 18th. Um, for those of you
that can attend the U committee meeting
tomorrow, that's wonderful. Thank you.
Um, with no further business at 8:56 on
Monday, May 4th, this meeting is
adjourned.
>> Thank you, Brian.
>> Thanks everybody.