Equity Board · Wednesday, September 6, 2023 · City Council Digest

3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of June 7, 2023 meeting

packet pp.3–7

▶ Watch from 4:31 Open packet at p.3 ↗

Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 06-07-23 Equity Board Minutes Page 1 CITY OF ISSAQUAH Equity Board 6:00 PM Steelhead Room, 235 1st Ave. June 7, 2023 MINUTES SE, Issaquah

Minutes of July 5, 2023 meeting

packet pp.9–15

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Staff report:

Presented by: Jen Davis Hayes, Economic Development Manager Juliana Da Cruz, Economic Development Coordinator Farel Otieno, Economic Development Coordinator Staff Liaison DAVIS HAYES and Economic Vitality Commission Chair REICHLEY presented the overview of Issaquah Economic Development businesses, focused efforts, development, Economic Development activities with examples, staff and the Commissions objective and plan for 2023.

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Responding to Public Comments – Discuss Rules & Options, (D)

30 min · Tisha Gieser, City Clerk · packet pp.17–20

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Staff report:

City Clerk's Office 130 E. Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 425-837-3000 issaquahwa.gov

Draft Policy on Body-Worn Cameras & Overview of Data tracked in the Police Department, (D)

45 min · Paula Schwan, Chief of Police Ryan Smith, Crime Prevention Analyst · packet pp.21–55

Topics: Public Safety

▶ Watch from 12:28 Open packet at p.21 ↗

Staff report:

IPD Goals for using this Data • In combination with community engagement and conversations • In combination with engagement and conversation with front line and support workers • Numbers do not tell the whole story – lived experiences of community members is an essential element that informs and underpins respect and trust between a local government, police and the community it serves. • The data must be shared publicly and conversations with the community is necessary to fully understand the impacts of how services are provided or how they should change, if

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0:02 ↗ I called the August no September meeting

0:07 ↗ at the equity board to order at 6 10 p.m

0:11 ↗ and due to the hybrid format of today's

0:14 ↗ meeting I'd like to start by providing

0:16 ↗ some guidelines

0:17 ↗ this is a reminder that the meeting is

0:19 ↗ being recorded and that we have live

0:22 ↗ Spanish interpretation happening in the

0:24 ↗ background

0:25 ↗ we have participants attending in person

0:27 ↗ and others who may be attending by a

0:29 ↗ computer or by phone for all meeting

0:32 ↗ attendees please speak clearly and pause

0:35 ↗ frequently state your name each time

0:38 ↗ before speaking if applicable mute your

0:41 ↗ microphone when not speaking if have two

0:44 ↗ technical issues try joining the meeting

0:46 ↗ using a different device like a

0:48 ↗ smartphone or a tablet or use the

0:50 ↗ call-in information in the meeting

0:52 ↗ invite to call into the meeting

0:55 ↗ and with that we will Begin by taking a

1:01 ↗ roll call vote of the board members in

1:04 ↗ attendance uh Monica could I ask for

1:06 ↗ your help um

1:10 ↗ board members this is Human Services

1:16 ↗ um so for a roll call for like 24

1:18 ↗ numbers I'm gonna start with Helen um

1:21 ↗ Helen's not present today I have not

1:22 ↗ heard from her but I know that she has

1:25 ↗ been unavailable in the last couple of

1:27 ↗ months due to work uh next we have Lorna

1:32 ↗ listen thank you welcome good evening

1:34 ↗ and the cressia here good evening

1:37 ↗ welcome

1:38 ↗ uh Nima has uh an excuse absence as he

1:42 ↗ started school he's unavailable tonight

1:44 ↗ but he hopes to make it to the October

1:47 ↗ meeting right here good evening

1:51 ↗ uh Shea I have talked to her as you may

1:55 ↗ because she had a baby a couple of

1:57 ↗ months ago she sent me some cute

1:58 ↗ pictures she and her are doing well in

2:00 ↗ the baby uh the baby's about two months

2:02 ↗ old now and I think she's trying to she

2:05 ↗ was telling me that she was trying to

2:06 ↗ get the baby into a nap time routine

2:09 ↗ especially with older kids not starting

2:11 ↗ school so

2:12 ↗ they're very very cute and doing well so

2:19 ↗ here

2:21 ↗ Christina

2:24 ↗ good evening

2:26 ↗ hi everyone

2:27 ↗ hey welcome

2:30 ↗ um

2:31 ↗ pretty here welcome

2:35 ↗ Karthik

2:39 ↗ hello everyone I'm here

2:41 ↗ good evening welcome

2:42 ↗ and lastly

2:45 ↗ Kelly she's traveling she's out of the

2:48 ↗ country and she's not available tonight

2:49 ↗ but she will be back next time

2:55 ↗ okay so the next topic of the agenda is

2:58 ↗ public comments

3:00 ↗ and public comments are an important

3:02 ↗ part of our public process and we take

3:04 ↗ them seriously and Factor them into

3:06 ↗ decisions we make

3:08 ↗ um has anyone signed up for a public

3:10 ↗ tournament today we have someone in the

3:12 ↗ room we have our regular friends from

3:15 ↗ the Baha'is of Issaquah and we

3:18 ↗ would invite you if you would like I

3:20 ↗ know you know that you have an account

3:21 ↗ you want to come over there yes please

3:23 ↗ there's a cherry garden you can look

3:25 ↗ like yes

3:31 ↗ nobody bites I promise

3:34 ↗ good afternoon everybody my name is

3:37 ↗ from the Baha'is of Issaquah I just

3:40 ↗ wanna remind you that we have our

3:43 ↗ community social coming up

3:47 ↗ um in October 28th at 5 pm

3:51 ↗ time having the the place will be

3:54 ↗ announced

3:56 ↗ later but just for right now we are

3:59 ↗ putting the preliminary uh

4:02 ↗ [Music]

4:04 ↗ things together

4:06 ↗ I just want to be part of it so today

4:10 ↗ thank you thank you and

4:16 ↗ um I guess I should check to see if

4:18 ↗ anyone else has a couple of comments

4:25 ↗ for public

4:28 ↗ okay great well rolling right along

4:31 ↗ we're ready for the approval of minutes

4:35 ↗ so uh in your board packets at the table

4:38 ↗ and um in the board packet online you

4:42 ↗ will see meeting minutes for June 7th

4:44 ↗ and uh July 5th so I'd like to invite

4:49 ↗ you off take a couple of minutes to just

4:51 ↗ quickly review the minutes if you

4:53 ↗ haven't had a chance to do so

4:55 ↗ and then we will uh move to approval or

4:59 ↗ Amendment

5:01 ↗ once you have a chance to review

5:27 ↗ I don't have a question

5:29 ↗ um right here

5:32 ↗ um

5:32 ↗ just because this was a joint session

5:35 ↗ with the other committees I would just

5:36 ↗ like to know how it went I'm really

5:38 ↗ upset that I didn't get to join so we

5:40 ↗ don't have very those opportunities to

5:42 ↗ be with other committees

5:45 ↗ um so uh just just some comments from

5:46 ↗ those who are present how what stood out

5:48 ↗ to you was there anything that we can

5:50 ↗ absorb from an equity perspective that

5:52 ↗ occurred at the meeting that stood out

5:53 ↗ to you

5:56 ↗ I think that a great question and I

5:58 ↗ would

6:02 ↗ probably we can spend a little bit more

6:03 ↗ time having progressing or picking an

6:05 ↗ Embrace that's good thank you

6:10 ↗ okay so just to to wrap up the minutes

6:13 ↗ portion of the agenda wanted to see if

6:17 ↗ um

6:18 ↗ and between

6:20 ↗ I have to go back to my script

6:24 ↗ um would

6:26 ↗ okay would anyone like to make a motion

6:29 ↗ to approve the minutes for June I make

6:32 ↗ the motion to approve the minutes as

6:34 ↗ presented for June this is

6:40 ↗ a second yes

6:46 ↗ look big I guess with that the June

6:49 ↗ minutes are approved and if there's any

6:51 ↗ discussion already unless anyone has

6:54 ↗ discussion or added

6:55 ↗ all right okay and then what anyone want

6:58 ↗ to make a motion to approve the July

7:03 ↗ promotion

7:05 ↗ this is Ray a second okay great

7:09 ↗ and with that because would anyone like

7:11 ↗ to amend or comment on the July minutes

7:17 ↗ approved

7:22 ↗ and then if we were ready to move into

7:25 ↗ that wheat activity agenda and um that

7:29 ↗ is a conversation about how to respond

7:32 ↗ and when to respond or the rules

7:34 ↗ regarding uh responding to public

7:36 ↗ comments and unless we have uh Tisha

7:40 ↗ here's the city clerk's office to uh

7:44 ↗ let us know what we can do that yes of

7:48 ↗ course sorry if I do you have a usual

7:50 ↗ spot for presenters okay

8:00 ↗ hey everybody it's nice to see you again

8:02 ↗ I

8:04 ↗ um so I'm I'm Tisha Geezer city clerk

8:07 ↗ I've met everybody here and um I'm here

8:10 ↗ with you tonight because I understand

8:12 ↗ there was some discussion and request by

8:14 ↗ members to talk a little bit about how

8:17 ↗ public comments can be addressed and so

8:19 ↗ I have a couple points to make I don't

8:21 ↗ have a visual presentation tonight but

8:23 ↗ um I included a brief memo in your

8:25 ↗ packet and I'll be talking through that

8:28 ↗ so uh first of all just an overview just

8:31 ↗ as you experienced tonight you have

8:33 ↗ adopted some rules for your meetings and

8:35 ↗ they specify the other public comment

8:37 ↗ period at the beginning of the meeting

8:39 ↗ five minutes to talk to you about really

8:41 ↗ anything that they like

8:44 ↗ um I think one of the uh concerns

8:47 ↗ brought up which uh fully acknowledge is

8:49 ↗ that it can feel a little unnatural and

8:52 ↗ formal when you have someone speaking to

8:54 ↗ you passionately about a topic and then

8:56 ↗ you kind of just move on to the rest of

8:59 ↗ the meeting and so I wanted to just

9:00 ↗ share some things that may already be

9:02 ↗ occurring uh here but just some things

9:04 ↗ that you can do

9:06 ↗ uh to kind of soften that a little bit

9:08 ↗ so

9:10 ↗ um certainly uh you can acknowledge and

9:13 ↗ thank them for their comments like you

9:14 ↗ did this evening and even provide you

9:16 ↗ know short overview of what you heard

9:19 ↗ from the member of the public this is

9:21 ↗ probably something best done by the

9:23 ↗ chair

9:24 ↗ um another nice thing to do and that may

9:27 ↗ not be possible in the moment but uh if

9:30 ↗ they were talking about something that

9:31 ↗ isn't on tonight's agenda it would be

9:34 ↗ nice to be able to share with them you

9:36 ↗ know when the equity board might be

9:38 ↗ discussing the issue that they came to

9:39 ↗ you about and that's something that you

9:41 ↗ could you know the chair could say

9:43 ↗ Monica do you have any idea when this

9:45 ↗ might be coming before or and if she

9:46 ↗ doesn't

9:47 ↗ um you know the staff could follow up

9:49 ↗ with them to to let them know so that

9:50 ↗ they could come at a meeting where the

9:53 ↗ item they care about is being talked

9:54 ↗ about so I think giving them that next

9:56 ↗ step is helpful

9:58 ↗ here

10:02 ↗ um

10:03 ↗ and then

10:04 ↗ let's talk a little bit about

10:07 ↗ um some things that you can do to

10:10 ↗ connect with individuals that's a little

10:12 ↗ less formal than your um public comment

10:15 ↗ time at regular meetings so your regular

10:16 ↗ meetings are the time when you're

10:18 ↗ working through your work plans you have

10:19 ↗ the number of agenda items and time is

10:21 ↗ important and so they're not

10:23 ↗ um the idea is that there should

10:25 ↗ absolutely be an opportunity for the

10:27 ↗ public to comment on those agenda items

10:29 ↗ or any topic that they're interested in

10:31 ↗ but we also want to make sure that

10:33 ↗ there's time adequate time for you to

10:35 ↗ get to the business of the meeting okay

10:37 ↗ and one more point to make here

10:40 ↗ um about your regular meetings and

10:41 ↗ really any public comment is want to

10:44 ↗ think about having

10:45 ↗ um consistent ways of uh handling them

10:48 ↗ so that we're fair to everyone so

10:51 ↗ um someone comes impassioned about a

10:53 ↗ topic that's coming before the equity

10:55 ↗ board you know taking time to respond to

10:57 ↗ them at that moment might seem uh like a

11:00 ↗ nice thing to do but then that really

11:02 ↗ should be how you know any kind comment

11:04 ↗ coming before you is handled which is

11:06 ↗ why generally in our board and

11:08 ↗ commission meetings we encourage

11:10 ↗ acknowledge the comment thank them for

11:12 ↗ the comment tell them how they can be

11:14 ↗ followed up with but really that's

11:16 ↗ probably best because it may not be

11:17 ↗ possible to engage it may they may be

11:20 ↗ talking about something that isn't even

11:22 ↗ on your work plan and we'll talk about

11:23 ↗ that in a few minutes

11:25 ↗ um so it does feel a little one-sided

11:27 ↗ and well let's just acknowledge that

11:29 ↗ some options for having some more

11:31 ↗ natural dialogue with community members

11:35 ↗ could happen at a special meeting where

11:37 ↗ the format is designed to be a dialogue

11:40 ↗ or conversation kind of like how the

11:42 ↗ Human Services Commission I'm trying to

11:44 ↗ remember the name of the meetings they

11:46 ↗ call them listening sessions and they

11:49 ↗ were working on the formation of the

11:50 ↗ equity board and they hosted some

11:52 ↗ Community conversations conversations

11:53 ↗ yes or

11:55 ↗ um yeah

11:57 ↗ so decision I saw a comment come up by

12:01 ↗ the Spanish interpreters about slowing

12:03 ↗ down yes

12:06 ↗ Community convenings or community

12:11 ↗ so that could be something the equity

12:13 ↗ board could choose to do you know twice

12:16 ↗ a year as needed you could do it just

12:19 ↗ generally just on any issues of equity

12:22 ↗ in Issaquah I'd probably be more useful

12:24 ↗ to have maybe particular

12:26 ↗ um topics that the conversations would

12:29 ↗ focus on but then you'd really you'd

12:31 ↗ have a session that was really designed

12:33 ↗ to be about that maybe it wouldn't be

12:35 ↗ held here maybe it would be held in a

12:36 ↗ you know a larger space or just could

12:39 ↗ have it could have some different

12:40 ↗ elements to it it could be an open house

12:42 ↗ lots of possibilities there

12:45 ↗ um but we would definitely encourage you

12:47 ↗ to have those kinds of meetings where

12:49 ↗ you there can be that back and forth

12:51 ↗ that's more natural

12:52 ↗ another point about public comment and

12:55 ↗ this is probably intuitive but I'll just

12:58 ↗ say it is that you know certainly as

13:00 ↗ board members you can choose to connect

13:03 ↗ with members of the public outside of

13:05 ↗ these meetings

13:06 ↗ um if you feel you know like you just

13:08 ↗ want to give that extra attention to the

13:11 ↗ feedback that they have

13:14 ↗ um if you choose to be selling for

13:15 ↗ coffee or stay after a meeting and talk

13:17 ↗ to them you can ask

13:18 ↗ share their comments back to the board

13:20 ↗ encourage them to send an email in

13:23 ↗ um so those are some

13:25 ↗ more natural ways to connect outside of

13:27 ↗ these more formal regular meetings

13:30 ↗ um I also wanted to talk to you a little

13:31 ↗ bit about when members of the public

13:33 ↗ come to you you know sort of what you

13:35 ↗ can do

13:37 ↗ um sometimes the public will come and

13:39 ↗ they'll have some questions about your

13:41 ↗ agenda items and again it's not um

13:45 ↗ at this point in time I wouldn't

13:48 ↗ encourage I would say that though it

13:51 ↗ feels a little awkward there shouldn't

13:52 ↗ necessarily be a response provided in

13:54 ↗ that moment to their questions but you

13:57 ↗ can acknowledge that they were heard and

13:59 ↗ if you as a board member feel that those

14:01 ↗ are questions that you would like to

14:02 ↗ have answered then you can be the voice

14:04 ↗ when that agenda item comes up to say

14:07 ↗ you know I I have the same questions or

14:09 ↗ I'd like to pose those questions then

14:11 ↗ the person in the audience can benefit

14:13 ↗ from hearing the answers so that's

14:15 ↗ something you're absolutely

14:16 ↗ go down here and talk fast

14:19 ↗ um that's something you're absolutely

14:20 ↗ empowered to do is be the voice for that

14:22 ↗ member of the public who who posed those

14:24 ↗ questions so

14:26 ↗ um you know and at times it could be

14:27 ↗ appropriate to ask for staff follow-up

14:29 ↗ but

14:30 ↗ um so I wanted to say that I also wanted

14:33 ↗ to say that you may have members of the

14:35 ↗ public who are coming to you with new

14:37 ↗ Concepts new something new that they

14:39 ↗ think is important to the community

14:42 ↗ and how do you what do you do with that

14:44 ↗ right when they come to you and they

14:46 ↗ talk about an emerging issue that's not

14:48 ↗ something slated to come before the

14:49 ↗ equity board

14:51 ↗ so as you know um your work plan items

14:54 ↗ are coming from the city's strategic

14:56 ↗ plan they're coming from our we now have

14:58 ↗ a two-year budget that we adopt and we

15:01 ↗ have our mayor and city council who are

15:02 ↗ setting policy and based on all of that

15:05 ↗ that's how items flow down to you for

15:07 ↗ your advisement but if a member of the

15:10 ↗ public brings up a new issue

15:12 ↗ there's a couple ways that you could

15:14 ↗ handle that

15:15 ↗ um I I think it's helpful to think

15:17 ↗ through a scenario so let's say a

15:19 ↗ members of public comes to you and says

15:21 ↗ I think the location of the uh athletic

15:24 ↗ fields in Issaquah are um not adequately

15:28 ↗ accessible to neighborhoods that have a

15:30 ↗ lower socioeconomic status I think the

15:32 ↗ equity boards look into that and raise

15:35 ↗ thinking that's a really good point I've

15:38 ↗ had the same thought you know you you're

15:40 ↗ compelled by that comment so what you

15:42 ↗ could do is under other business at that

15:45 ↗ night's meeting or a future meeting you

15:47 ↗ could make a motion to add an item to a

15:51 ↗ future agenda for the equity board to

15:53 ↗ receive some initial information on the

15:55 ↗ city's athletic fields and you could you

15:57 ↗ know maybe even request that the borby

15:59 ↗ provided some socioeconomic information

16:01 ↗ if available

16:02 ↗ and you would need a second and then you

16:04 ↗ would need a majority of the board to

16:06 ↗ support that concept of adding that

16:08 ↗ informational item onto the agenda and

16:11 ↗ you know at that point this is assuming

16:14 ↗ there's not extensive research needed to

16:16 ↗ provide you that initial information so

16:18 ↗ let's say there's not extensive research

16:20 ↗ it feels like something the park

16:21 ↗ director can share with you easily so

16:24 ↗ that next meeting the parks director

16:25 ↗ shares some information and you feel

16:28 ↗ like as a board this is an important

16:30 ↗ issue we want to forward this so the

16:33 ↗ appropriate action for you to take at

16:34 ↗ that point would be to make a formal

16:36 ↗ recommendation to the mayor to consider

16:38 ↗ you know in your current year or a

16:40 ↗ future year uh city-wide work plan

16:43 ↗ that's in resources be allocated to um

16:46 ↗ more further look into the placement of

16:49 ↗ the city's athletic fields are they even

16:51 ↗ owned by the city are there private

16:52 ↗ there might be lots of different

16:55 ↗ um complexities to that issue it's going

16:57 ↗ to take some resources to flush those

16:59 ↗ out right and other things the city will

17:01 ↗ want to think about like is similar work

17:02 ↗ already being done somewhere else so at

17:04 ↗ that point your your action would be to

17:07 ↗ draft a letter in motion that would be

17:10 ↗ relayed to the mayor's office and then

17:12 ↗ and the chair could meet with the mayor

17:15 ↗ to share some of the board's

17:16 ↗ perspectives and then sort of in in her

17:18 ↗ hands

17:20 ↗ um with what to do with that so just

17:22 ↗ wanted to share that very open to any um

17:25 ↗ comments or thoughts you have one last

17:27 ↗ thing uh on this is uh if at any point

17:31 ↗ you wanted to modify how your public

17:32 ↗ comment is taken at your regular

17:33 ↗ meetings you could consider adding a

17:36 ↗ second public comment time later on your

17:38 ↗ agenda so members have the benefit of

17:41 ↗ receiving information that you do during

17:43 ↗ the meeting that might not have been

17:44 ↗ included in your agenda packet

17:46 ↗ um so that kind of looping back to my

17:49 ↗ first point there it is more formal with

17:51 ↗ these meetings but you have a few a few

17:54 ↗ options and let me know if you have any

17:56 ↗ questions or thoughts

17:59 ↗ I have a couple questions Tisha thank

18:01 ↗ you for that I think it's very helpful

18:03 ↗ to to be reminded of like what and how

18:06 ↗ on these comments are supposed to be

18:08 ↗ processed and addressed

18:10 ↗ um my first question is regarding

18:12 ↗ Community conversations do other boards

18:15 ↗ and commissions use this process and how

18:18 ↗ often do they make themselves available

18:20 ↗ to the community and or do you have a

18:22 ↗ recommendation as to how often we should

18:24 ↗ hold those so that people feel like they

18:26 ↗ have access to us

18:28 ↗ yeah so a couple thoughts there so we do

18:31 ↗ have

18:32 ↗ um one of our very active commissions or

18:34 ↗ Planning Commission they they

18:37 ↗ they don't hold these informal

18:39 ↗ conversations but they hold more formal

18:41 ↗ public hearings that's required in our

18:43 ↗ city code but I guess the thing about

18:45 ↗ them is that they're um they're like you

18:47 ↗ know a designated part of their agenda

18:49 ↗ we the city does some additional

18:51 ↗ Outreach to notify folks of those

18:53 ↗ opportunities not quite what you're

18:55 ↗ explaining but we do have that happening

18:58 ↗ on a I'd say a monthly basis uh are

19:03 ↗ other boards and commissions are often

19:05 ↗ relying on community input the city is

19:08 ↗ receiving through Outreach we're doing

19:10 ↗ sometimes before we come to the Border

19:13 ↗ commission so sometimes staff will have

19:15 ↗ done a survey uh some kind of uh an open

19:19 ↗ house for a transportation project

19:21 ↗ they'll have had a meeting in a

19:22 ↗ neighborhood right they'll have done

19:24 ↗ some uh for a park project that might go

19:26 ↗ to our Park Board the park the park

19:28 ↗ staff may have

19:30 ↗ um pitched a couple of Park proposals

19:32 ↗ and asked the community to vote on them

19:34 ↗ so a lot of times staff are bringing the

19:37 ↗ outcome of community engagement to the

19:40 ↗ policy board The Advisory board so it is

19:44 ↗ not very common that our boards have

19:47 ↗ these more informal uh Community

19:50 ↗ conversations I think since I've been

19:53 ↗ working here I think the Human Services

19:54 ↗ Commission is the one that's coming to

19:56 ↗ mind that said the most frequent

20:00 ↗ informal discussion I think our

20:02 ↗ environmental board may may have done

20:06 ↗ something along those lines but it's not

20:08 ↗ it's not very common but it's also

20:11 ↗ something we're very happy to support

20:12 ↗ it's not uh

20:15 ↗ but it's not been pursued by many the

20:17 ↗ boards and then my second question is

20:20 ↗ um

20:21 ↗ with regards to the second comment time

20:24 ↗ I try to understand how this would work

20:26 ↗ because part of what is difficult for us

20:30 ↗ in my opinion right now is that we don't

20:34 ↗ have a time built in to have a

20:35 ↗ discussion Among Us right so something's

20:38 ↗ brought up we all kind of look at each

20:39 ↗ other like okay that's important but we

20:41 ↗ don't know what to do with it and then

20:43 ↗ we just acknowledge it and move on and

20:45 ↗ then

20:46 ↗ who knows what happens I I honestly

20:48 ↗ don't know what happens because we never

20:49 ↗ seem to loot back right right and so

20:51 ↗ then my question is if we do offer the

20:54 ↗ second

20:55 ↗ um

20:56 ↗ uh what is it called second comment time

20:58 ↗ is there going to be a time in between

21:00 ↗ the first comment and the second comment

21:02 ↗ to actually have a discussion or I don't

21:05 ↗ understand how that would be helpful is

21:07 ↗ what I'm trying to say

21:08 ↗ yeah and it so it may it may not help

21:11 ↗ that at all that what you're describing

21:13 ↗ I think

21:14 ↗ um as uh the chair mentioned earlier

21:16 ↗ that other business part of your agenda

21:18 ↗ is kind of the

21:20 ↗ open space so if you have something you

21:23 ↗ know like uh that you're wanting to hear

21:25 ↗ from your fellow board members or

21:27 ↗ proposed to your fellow board members

21:28 ↗ that's really the right time the

21:31 ↗ appropriate time and your meeting agenda

21:34 ↗ um and can we have discussion right

21:37 ↗ because I don't know what the rules are

21:38 ↗ like can we you know because if you can

21:40 ↗ see you know like sometimes yeah it's

21:42 ↗ like sometimes Lorna says something that

21:44 ↗ I don't agree with but there's no place

21:47 ↗ for that or vice versa I'm just using

21:49 ↗ I'm comfortable using as an example but

21:52 ↗ you know what I mean and there is no

21:53 ↗ place for us to have that discussion

21:55 ↗ right so we all kind of look at each

21:56 ↗ other and kind of give each other looks

21:59 ↗ like uh what's happening right now what

22:01 ↗ and then we move on and so I want to

22:03 ↗ know when does that take place and I

22:05 ↗ also want to have

22:07 ↗ a sort of like a backup plan because

22:09 ↗ what if we agitate our audience right

22:12 ↗ and now they're like I don't know like

22:14 ↗ you could turn into a free-for-all

22:16 ↗ so I guess I'm just asking for a little

22:18 ↗ guidance as to like how do we have our

22:20 ↗ discussion how do we address or when do

22:23 ↗ we address and then go back to the

22:26 ↗ Community member who brought up the

22:27 ↗ topic that got us discussing

22:29 ↗ and at the same time not you know create

22:33 ↗ a situation where

22:34 ↗ we lose control of the meeting right so

22:37 ↗ I guess Monica that leads me to ask

22:40 ↗ because sometimes I do feel like at

22:41 ↗ meetings we have things happen like you

22:44 ↗ just asked out of the July meeting go

22:47 ↗ and that's something I'd love to have a

22:50 ↗ discussion about so do I should we be

22:52 ↗ emailing and thinking you put half an

22:55 ↗ hour for this item on the agenda should

22:57 ↗ I have done that after the July 7th

22:59 ↗ meeting so that'd be good as a team go

23:03 ↗ into that I think that's where I'm

23:04 ↗ concerned because

23:06 ↗ feels like our meetings we already don't

23:09 ↗ have enough time so what does that mean

23:12 ↗ for our meetings to get work done but at

23:14 ↗ the same time

23:16 ↗ respond to what community members or

23:19 ↗ what we are experiencing and

23:21 ↗ meetings

23:23 ↗ so I think the best suggestion just as

23:25 ↗ it happened today is to try to just if

23:28 ↗ you have an idea that you'd like to

23:30 ↗ discuss it at the meeting to suggest can

23:32 ↗ we add this to other

23:34 ↗ um other business and then under other

23:36 ↗ business let's say we are going to

23:38 ↗ discuss then hopefully today how the

23:40 ↗ meeting went in July and then if if you

23:44 ↗ just share information about the meeting

23:45 ↗ in July let's say and you all feel good

23:47 ↗ okay I heard I'm updated I don't need

23:49 ↗ anything else then that's good then we

23:51 ↗ had the discussion and no follow-up is

23:53 ↗ needed if let's say something comes up

23:55 ↗ during that discussion and you feel like

23:57 ↗ oh

23:58 ↗ um this came up during that meeting and

24:00 ↗ I would like to learn more about it

24:02 ↗ that's again then we would learn to say

24:04 ↗ okay if you're all in agreement as you

24:06 ↗ have the majority and would like to have

24:08 ↗ that to propose that to a future agenda

24:11 ↗ item that's when we can just say okay

24:12 ↗ let's add this to a future agenda item

24:15 ↗ that's when we can discuss we can look

24:16 ↗ at what's coming up and say okay it may

24:18 ↗ not be realistic that we'll do it next

24:20 ↗ month but we can add it to this mountain

24:21 ↗ map but then that's where like you all

24:23 ↗ need majority during that time to

24:25 ↗ discuss and agree on an item what's

24:28 ↗ probably not working and I'm going to

24:30 ↗ teach us here if I understand the rules

24:31 ↗ correctly is we cannot have just one

24:33 ↗ member emailing me or letting me know

24:36 ↗ Monica let's add this to the agenda

24:38 ↗ let's add this to the agenda because

24:40 ↗ then you don't have the entire

24:42 ↗ board agreeing on that and having a

24:45 ↗ consensus did I answer that because your

24:47 ↗ time is valuable you meet once a month

24:49 ↗ if you have a lot of items coming to you

24:51 ↗ so that's exactly right there needs to

24:53 ↗ be at least a majority consensus is

24:55 ↗ always nice to say yes this we this

24:58 ↗ deserves our time

25:01 ↗ uh one comment and one question

25:03 ↗ um the comment is I wish we got more

25:07 ↗ questions like that that came to the

25:08 ↗ board yeah because we lack that kind of

25:11 ↗ robust discussion often we're so into

25:13 ↗ our business

25:15 ↗ um so that's my comment my question is

25:17 ↗ how do is there an opportunity for us to

25:19 ↗ become more visible like I'm staring out

25:20 ↗ this window and I plan to go to that

25:22 ↗ isqua welcome view event and I would

25:24 ↗ like to be able to have people know that

25:26 ↗ this sport even exists so people can

25:29 ↗ come up to me and if they have an equity

25:32 ↗ question then they they feel comfortable

25:34 ↗ coming to an equity board member and

25:36 ↗ bringing it up and that's an opportunity

25:38 ↗ for us to perhaps bring it forward to

25:39 ↗ this group right so um if it's things

25:43 ↗ like that maybe the just answering that

25:45 ↗ that question that I have is is wearing

25:47 ↗ a name badge at events even allowed

25:51 ↗ um that you're part of the board yeah it

25:52 ↗ exists okay yes and so under staff

25:55 ↗ reports we'll talk a little bit more

25:57 ↗ about welcoming week but now you should

25:58 ↗ all have a name badge and yes please if

26:00 ↗ you come on Friday please wear it and

26:01 ↗ then we'll make an announcement where

26:03 ↗ people can

26:04 ↗ thank you that's great thank you

26:07 ↗ yeah I actually had a question about

26:09 ↗ that is it possible for you to introduce

26:12 ↗ us at the event

26:15 ↗ I don't see why not we have also other

26:17 ↗ board members and council members

26:19 ↗ sometimes who are introduced them yeah I

26:21 ↗ don't I don't think that's a that's a

26:23 ↗ problem and I don't I wish I had some

26:25 ↗ more top of the mind uh suggestions for

26:27 ↗ you I I mean just a quick top of the

26:29 ↗ mind to that is I I know there's with

26:32 ↗ our environmental board there's been a

26:33 ↗ lot of Engagement with um like the

26:35 ↗ Issaquah High School students that's

26:37 ↗ been a great connection where there's

26:40 ↗ you know so your youth members

26:42 ↗ um might might be a connector for a

26:45 ↗ similar group

26:47 ↗ um youth group that might tend to have a

26:51 ↗ lot of a lot of ideas

26:53 ↗ um

26:54 ↗ what was another point I wanted to make

26:56 ↗ one comment about adding agenda items

26:59 ↗ totally appropriate if their support and

27:02 ↗ time at the current meeting like uh Ray

27:04 ↗ did tonight or as Monica said for future

27:07 ↗ meeting the only time that it doesn't

27:09 ↗ work is if you have a special meeting

27:10 ↗ they have a rule for special meetings

27:13 ↗ under state law you can't sort of add

27:16 ↗ other topics we have to provide advance

27:18 ↗ notice of the topics being discussed so

27:20 ↗ that's the one time where we can eat a

27:23 ↗ limit

27:27 ↗ um

27:28 ↗ the question I'm trying to think if

27:30 ↗ there you had asked some questions

27:31 ↗ earlier I think

27:33 ↗ um

27:34 ↗ so the other so if you have items on

27:37 ↗ your agenda there should be

27:39 ↗ discussion allowed within time members

27:42 ↗ I'm really hitting up against my time

27:44 ↗ parameter right

27:46 ↗ and then as Monica said if there's a

27:47 ↗ desire to continue the conversation

27:49 ↗ someone should say that I have some more

27:51 ↗ thoughts I think this needs more of the

27:54 ↗ board's time can can is there capacity

27:56 ↗ for us to add this later tonight or at

27:58 ↗ next month's agenda uh and then is I

28:02 ↗ wanted to make one comment about the

28:03 ↗ audience wonderful audience wonderful

28:05 ↗ members of the public but uh there it is

28:09 ↗ important to remember this is the the

28:11 ↗ boards or the or the voices you're the

28:14 ↗ representatives of the community at

28:16 ↗ these meetings and so trying trying to

28:19 ↗ minimize interactions because it can

28:22 ↗ I've seen where that can get a little

28:25 ↗ out of hand and unruly uh so that's

28:28 ↗ where the the chair the chairs calm

28:30 ↗ facilitation can help just remind folks

28:34 ↗ that

28:35 ↗ this the board members are the ones who

28:37 ↗ are are speaking once you've moved out

28:40 ↗ of that public comment period thank you

28:43 ↗ anything else

28:45 ↗ so I just I have a comment this is

28:48 ↗ pretty

28:49 ↗ um I was thinking about I think back in

28:51 ↗ may we had a public comment around like

28:55 ↗ vocabulary and how how we're defining

28:58 ↗ groups and talking about groups and

29:00 ↗ things like that and so I thought that

29:02 ↗ was a pretty important public comment

29:05 ↗ and so one of the things I actually want

29:07 ↗ to bring to the other the additional

29:11 ↗ topics part of the agenda is seeing if

29:14 ↗ there's interest in having a follow-up

29:15 ↗ topic agenda topic to talk about that

29:18 ↗ and so

29:20 ↗ um that's one way I was thinking about

29:22 ↗ yeah that was a really good comment that

29:24 ↗ I think stock probably stuck with many

29:26 ↗ of us that's the fourth example that's

29:28 ↗ how I could keep it all around that I'm

29:31 ↗ intrigued by the idea maybe having some

29:34 ↗ sort of listening session sometime maybe

29:37 ↗ before we set up our next work plan for

29:41 ↗ next year

29:42 ↗ um so we can figure out a

29:45 ↗ addition to utilizing some of the

29:47 ↗ community engagement that happens from

29:49 ↗ the different

29:50 ↗ um departments but also saying when is

29:53 ↗ bubbling up little community directly so

29:55 ↗ look that's another possibility I think

29:57 ↗ we could think about it

29:59 ↗ um so maybe how we want to engage more I

30:03 ↗ think right this has been a burning

30:04 ↗ topic for you too like how to engage and

30:06 ↗ have meaningful dialogue with community

30:07 ↗ in addition to

30:10 ↗ ourselves representing the community

30:14 ↗ I'd like to add to what you were saying

30:16 ↗ pretty that when I was on the

30:20 ↗ um commission for Human Services I found

30:23 ↗ the community conversations to be

30:25 ↗ probably the most robust information

30:27 ↗ gathering

30:29 ↗ um way of getting information that we

30:31 ↗ needed right

30:33 ↗ um before that I don't I don't know that

30:35 ↗ we really knew where we were headed to

30:38 ↗ propose the equity board and so I feel

30:41 ↗ that if we are able to conduct the

30:44 ↗ conversations that we should really take

30:46 ↗ advantage of that because it's the one

30:48 ↗ way you know that I feel yields a lot of

30:51 ↗ information

30:54 ↗ we will plan a future agenda to check

30:59 ↗ we wanted to check with folks on the

31:02 ↗ teams needing like Karthik or Christina

31:04 ↗ to see if they have any questions or

31:07 ↗ comments

31:12 ↗ thank you none at the moment thank you

31:23 ↗ any other questions or comments all I

31:26 ↗ have to share here

31:30 ↗ thank you

31:37 ↗ so much

31:41 ↗ I said I wish I could be at every

31:43 ↗ meeting

31:47 ↗ standing on both in case the mic isn't

31:50 ↗ kicking it up there's just a lot of

31:52 ↗ appreciation for tisha's participation

31:54 ↗ and advice

31:56 ↗ um who's coming up here

31:58 ↗ um so our next agenda topic is the draft

32:01 ↗ policy on bodyboarding cameras an

32:04 ↗ overview of data attracts by the police

32:06 ↗ department I have so we have uh Chief

32:09 ↗ Sean as well as uh Ryan Smith the crime

32:13 ↗ prevention analyst

32:19 ↗ yes of course

32:20 ↗ I'm shy too

32:26 ↗ oh

32:30 ↗ yeah

32:33 ↗ I'll leave some for Christina

33:00 ↗ for folks if they're interested in more

33:03 ↗ information these are on our website uh

33:07 ↗ reports

33:08 ↗ water every week I put that out with

33:12 ↗ information on our activities uh I'm so

33:15 ↗ sorry

33:17 ↗ you're you know where it is

33:22 ↗ um

33:33 ↗ by the way hello everyone I'm Ryan Ryan

33:37 ↗ Smith I'm the prime analyst with new one

33:40 ↗ here for the city of issaquan I'm very

33:42 ↗ happy to be of service

33:50 ↗ yeah

33:52 ↗ foreign

34:02 ↗ policy it's not a hundred percent

34:04 ↗ because that wouldn't make sense to

34:06 ↗ bring you 100 otherwise we wouldn't be

34:08 ↗ able to get your input on it so the idea

34:11 ↗ is for um this is we did a collective of

34:14 ↗ multiple ones but

34:16 ↗ um that's a little bit further down the

34:17 ↗ PowerPoint so first I just want to say

34:19 ↗ thanks for having me back we are I was

34:21 ↗ here almost a year ago now when I was

34:24 ↗ the interim and now as the permanent

34:26 ↗ Chief and we hired

34:29 ↗ um Ryan earlier in the Years just been

34:30 ↗ very helpful in her tasks and what she

34:33 ↗ does and she can you're welcome to reach

34:35 ↗ out to her at any point in time to get

34:37 ↗ information for her

34:39 ↗ um because she's the one that is the

34:42 ↗ data

34:43 ↗ um she helps our officers get the

34:46 ↗ information and if we know where crimes

34:47 ↗ are happening in a certain area or the

34:49 ↗ types of crimes she can direct them and

34:51 ↗ say hey they're seeing a mass amount in

34:54 ↗ this area and so we can know where to go

34:55 ↗ versus just sitting in roaming different

34:58 ↗ neighborhoods just because if there's

35:00 ↗ crime happening more in one area and she

35:03 ↗ she's on several different boards she

35:05 ↗ helps with and collaborates with other

35:07 ↗ agencies so we also see crime trends

35:09 ↗ that are happening in other cities as

35:10 ↗ well she also does she's on our board

35:13 ↗ for the businesses we have a retail

35:16 ↗ business group as well that meets once a

35:19 ↗ month and did they move to court early

35:22 ↗ they moved we have they moved to

35:24 ↗ quarterly and so a lot of the businesses

35:26 ↗ in the area are working a lot and

35:28 ↗ collaborating getting also more

35:29 ↗ information and we it's educational so

35:32 ↗ if someone's going to steal from one

35:33 ↗ business is likely they're going to

35:34 ↗ steal from another so sharing those

35:36 ↗ resources and that information as well

35:38 ↗ so

35:39 ↗ um first of all one of the things is you

35:41 ↗ guys one of the goals is to our goals is

35:44 ↗ to have data and that includes using

35:48 ↗ combination with the community we want

35:50 ↗ to make sure we have and start those

35:51 ↗ engagement and those conversations I'm

35:54 ↗ in combination with engagement the

35:55 ↗ conversation not only with our front

35:57 ↗ line but with the people out there doing

35:59 ↗ a lot of the work and so we appreciate

36:02 ↗ the opportunity to share with you some

36:04 ↗ of those pieces

36:06 ↗ um

36:07 ↗ some of the numbers don't always tell

36:09 ↗ the whole story and that's a big piece

36:12 ↗ um you know lived experiences of

36:13 ↗ community members there's also essential

36:15 ↗ element and it forms the underpins and

36:17 ↗ respect to the trust between local

36:19 ↗ government police and Community Services

36:22 ↗ and it's the data is also shared

36:24 ↗ publicly and so that's what Ryan has

36:26 ↗ passed around is we have

36:28 ↗ um in case you weren't aware we have a

36:30 ↗ blotter that she puts out which are

36:31 ↗ different crimes that are happening

36:32 ↗ regularly during each week she puts

36:35 ↗ something out and we do crime stats this

36:38 ↗ links to our crime stats that go within

36:40 ↗ the community annually and they do some

36:42 ↗ comparisons to across the board to

36:44 ↗ what's happening from neighborhoods to

36:46 ↗ just in our community in Issaquah itself

36:48 ↗ comparatively to last year's and in what

36:52 ↗ we're seeing as far as trends go and so

36:54 ↗ if you have questions if you say oh why

36:56 ↗ did we have that many or there's

36:58 ↗ something that seems off she brings it

36:59 ↗ to my attention or we look at that to

37:01 ↗ make sure that their reality versus just

37:03 ↗ numbers that are being pushed out to you

37:05 ↗ as well

37:06 ↗ um and so there's some of the big pieces

37:08 ↗ in this slide please

37:10 ↗ thank you

37:13 ↗ so the whole point of reviewing this

37:14 ↗ information is to really explore bias

37:16 ↗ and privilege

37:19 ↗ um to ensure services are Equitable in

37:20 ↗ all manners and that all people

37:22 ↗ regardless of background feel a sense of

37:25 ↗ safety and belonging

37:26 ↗ so you asked us about data how our data

37:29 ↗ looks okay particularly those relating

37:31 ↗ to traffic stops 911 calls and tickets

37:33 ↗ when I was here last time so we wanted

37:35 ↗ to bring some follow-up data to get that

37:37 ↗ back to you full circle as well and so

37:40 ↗ we want to also talk about the potential

37:41 ↗ impacts of service to the communities of

37:43 ↗ color and historically at margins and

37:46 ↗ um these are things we also

37:48 ↗ going too fast

37:52 ↗ I'll slow down

37:54 ↗ I'm sorry a lot of information and so

37:57 ↗ I'm just trying to also based on your

37:59 ↗ previous discussion with Tisha

38:01 ↗ one of my concerns immediately was I'm

38:03 ↗ bringing this policy to you which is you

38:05 ↗ know 11 pages

38:06 ↗ where are you going to have time to talk

38:08 ↗ about this and you only got it like less

38:11 ↗ than 24 hours ago so to me also that is

38:14 ↗ there a time after giving this to you

38:16 ↗ today to be able to get a response back

38:18 ↗ from you all and the board because if

38:20 ↗ you're not given that opportunity and or

38:22 ↗ to be able to answer some questions so

38:24 ↗ that's another piece

38:26 ↗ um and so I'll give you guys a moment to

38:28 ↗ be able to read this a little bit as

38:29 ↗ well

38:30 ↗ um and Let The Interpreter SketchUp

38:34 ↗ and I'll talk slower

38:39 ↗ sorry did that go too fast nope

38:43 ↗ um there's different aspects there's the

38:45 ↗ aspects of bias and a race example

38:48 ↗ um you can see from the chart do you

38:49 ↗ want to speak to the Chart Ryan

38:51 ↗ I'm sure I can speak to the chair so

38:54 ↗ there are different aspects of

38:57 ↗ um of biases that can change how our

39:01 ↗ services affect the community how they

39:03 ↗ impact the community you have explicit

39:06 ↗ and implicit uh types of biases explicit

39:10 ↗ biases are those that I'm going to call

39:14 ↗ them for a lack of better words the more

39:15 ↗ obvious types you know it's both in the

39:19 ↗ institutional and the individual

39:20 ↗ examples here it is very clear

39:25 ↗ discrimination against other people

39:28 ↗ that's explicit others can see that

39:31 ↗ implicit is the unintentional uh biases

39:35 ↗ and the thought is that the impacts of

39:39 ↗ that will show up in the data so here

39:41 ↗ for example your individual implicit

39:44 ↗ unconscious attitudes and beliefs right

39:46 ↗ so maybe a police officer calling for

39:49 ↗ backup more often when stopping a person

39:52 ↗ of color

39:53 ↗ uh perhaps the department focusing on

39:56 ↗ street level drug arrests instead of you

39:59 ↗ know factoring in well what's that

40:01 ↗ Community there look like is there you

40:05 ↗ know reasons that

40:06 ↗ a certain group of people are clustering

40:09 ↗ there together

40:10 ↗ um and so

40:12 ↗ that and aggregate would change the data

40:16 ↗ there would there would be a

40:17 ↗ disproportionality in the data and so

40:20 ↗ that's what we're looking for as some

40:24 ↗ evidence of bias

40:26 ↗ thank you Ryan

40:28 ↗ this is to basically show the impact for

40:31 ↗ the community and with the biases

40:33 ↗ implicit or explicit and also

40:36 ↗ another examples are refusing to hire

40:38 ↗ persons of color or an officer that may

40:40 ↗ be using ethnic slurs so those are other

40:43 ↗ examples discrimination puts Prejudice

40:45 ↗ in action and so we don't want those

40:47 ↗ things to be happening and so looking at

40:49 ↗ these and focusing on street level uh

40:51 ↗ you example of Street love drug risks

40:54 ↗ these are things that we must think

40:55 ↗ deeply about to ensure Equitable service

40:57 ↗ and enforcement with our community

41:02 ↗ thank you

41:05 ↗ um water opportunities are for exploring

41:07 ↗ institutional actions to interpret

41:10 ↗ possible implicit or explicit biases

41:12 ↗ where are there Clues as that may these

41:15 ↗ may be occurring

41:17 ↗ and so obviously disproportionately the

41:19 ↗ data

41:20 ↗ um are an indication

41:22 ↗ but this isn't always the full of it and

41:26 ↗ we want to get all the details in that

41:27 ↗ information and not just be those the

41:30 ↗ numbers themselves

41:32 ↗ um details on the body cams and how we

41:34 ↗ were looking at factoring Equity into

41:36 ↗ that policy is a big piece of this to

41:39 ↗ for calls from 9-1-1 they're already

41:41 ↗ recorded but then after the fact is not

41:43 ↗ right now in our community and right now

41:45 ↗ that's a piece and the reason it's not

41:47 ↗ is because we are one of the last

41:48 ↗ communities to actually get body cams

41:50 ↗ and so it's pushed to the quarter um the

41:53 ↗ council and the city Administration has

41:55 ↗ thought it necessary and put it that we

41:58 ↗ will hopefully get its implementation to

42:00 ↗ start in quarter one of 2024 meaning

42:03 ↗ that once the policy is approved and

42:06 ↗ it's got to go through multiple steps

42:08 ↗ and I'll get into that in a little bit

42:10 ↗ but we want to have that other side

42:12 ↗ instead of it just being so when people

42:14 ↗ start to you know if someone complains

42:16 ↗ let's say you have an interaction with

42:18 ↗ an officer and you don't like how it was

42:20 ↗ handled then it's just your word against

42:23 ↗ theirs right and so that's not in your

42:26 ↗ favor or in theirs and right now this

42:28 ↗ and having body camps it's very

42:30 ↗ beneficial for everybody to be able to

42:32 ↗ see the actuality of what actually took

42:34 ↗ place in that interaction to where you

42:36 ↗ might interpret even that video

42:37 ↗ differently than someone else but it

42:39 ↗ gives a more General and a descriptive

42:41 ↗ of actually what took place and so the

42:43 ↗ policy doesn't even just talk about that

42:46 ↗ recording but it also talks about when

42:47 ↗ you can use the recording and when you

42:49 ↗ can't use a recording event it can be

42:51 ↗ shut off and can't be shut off during

42:52 ↗ interactions and all of those pieces and

42:55 ↗ those are very important for them to to

42:57 ↗ know when they can have private

42:58 ↗ conversations and it doesn't have to be

43:00 ↗ on their body cam right because they're

43:01 ↗ human and they have other family things

43:03 ↗ to discuss right or when they go to the

43:06 ↗ bathroom I don't want to see that sorry

43:08 ↗ but the reality is there there needs to

43:11 ↗ be guidelines on those things and so

43:13 ↗ that's a piece and so the body cams um

43:16 ↗ and that why we're bringing it to you is

43:17 ↗ because we want to make sure we're

43:18 ↗ including all those pieces that we're

43:20 ↗ thinking about as well as how it affects

43:23 ↗ the public because then every time you

43:26 ↗ make contact but then there has to be a

43:27 ↗ disclaimer if I pull you over for

43:29 ↗ something and I say by the way you're

43:30 ↗ being on your own video recorded just

43:32 ↗ like the state troopers do and they have

43:33 ↗ for years and they always have done that

43:35 ↗ in many other agencies that have had

43:37 ↗ those recording devices but now with a

43:39 ↗ lot of the cases that have come to light

43:41 ↗ in the last two years that we it's a lot

43:44 ↗ more necessary and you get a full report

43:46 ↗ now thankfully being a smaller agency

43:48 ↗ when stuff that's happening there's

43:50 ↗ patterns we hear about it a lot more and

43:52 ↗ we'll be able to address that but this

43:54 ↗ will give definitive and it also makes

43:56 ↗ some of those investigations a lot

43:58 ↗ quicker so it's not you as the as a

44:01 ↗ victim of of being someone that had a

44:03 ↗ certain circumstance happen

44:05 ↗ do you

44:06 ↗ not have someone or a recourse or a

44:09 ↗ response in a timely manner where this

44:11 ↗ would be much more timely because

44:13 ↗ literally we just pull the video up

44:14 ↗ and so we get an answer one way or

44:17 ↗ another and we go through the other

44:19 ↗ steps so it expedites those pieces as

44:21 ↗ well and so we also have to talk about

44:22 ↗ redaction because let's say I'm

44:24 ↗ videotaping something going on with him

44:26 ↗ and you're in the video

44:28 ↗ if you're a bystander or your child is

44:29 ↗ in the video they can't be in the video

44:31 ↗ so we have to have redaction processes

44:33 ↗ and what that looks like so no juveniles

44:35 ↗ can be in there people that aren't are

44:37 ↗ by standards don't have to be in those

44:38 ↗ videos unless they're a legitimate

44:40 ↗ witness

44:41 ↗ um so there's a lot of documentation and

44:43 ↗ things that go into this

44:45 ↗ um that are necessary and so that's the

44:48 ↗ other reason we're we're putting these

44:49 ↗ into action and we're trying to protect

44:52 ↗ not only just our staff but the citizens

44:54 ↗ as well because if there are things

44:55 ↗ going on that's an issue and we need to

44:58 ↗ know about it and what if the person

45:00 ↗ interacting with the police is the minor

45:03 ↗ then it has to go through they can be as

45:06 ↗ long as it is used for like Court like

45:09 ↗ you can't just ask for a case reporting

45:11 ↗ including all juveniles or video it's

45:14 ↗ not allowed there's certain laws put in

45:15 ↗ place to protect those individuals now

45:18 ↗ if it goes to court then that person can

45:19 ↗ be in there or there's certain

45:21 ↗ guidelines if they're even protections

45:24 ↗ because even if they committed a crime

45:25 ↗ there's still a lot of Protections in

45:27 ↗ place uh and so all of that still is

45:30 ↗ relevant

45:31 ↗ so if like we show up at the skate park

45:32 ↗ and there's tons of juveniles or a

45:34 ↗ school and an assault has taken place or

45:37 ↗ any crime for that matter and we're

45:38 ↗ investigating it we have to go through

45:40 ↗ but that's why we had to hire more

45:42 ↗ record staff and other Personnel because

45:45 ↗ it takes a lot now now three officers

45:47 ↗ have shown up and now I have three cents

45:49 ↗ a video which is maybe a half hour long

45:52 ↗ that all of that video has to be

45:54 ↗ redacted and gone through there are some

45:56 ↗ of those because it's been

45:58 ↗ in place for a while now that the

46:00 ↗ companies have automatic reduction with

46:03 ↗ certain things but there's that two to

46:05 ↗ three percent that needs a human to go

46:07 ↗ through and make sure that they're not

46:08 ↗ on there interesting thank you cool

46:11 ↗ question yes do you have body cams on

46:14 ↗ police officers at the police stations

46:17 ↗ or is it just when they leave the police

46:19 ↗ station or are their body cams also on

46:22 ↗ police officers when people come in and

46:25 ↗ interact with the math police stations

46:27 ↗ when they interacting well let's say

46:29 ↗ with someone that's in

46:32 ↗ jailed or someone an interaction

46:35 ↗ excellent question

46:37 ↗ um the question I don't everybody heard

46:40 ↗ uh the question is do they have to have

46:41 ↗ their body cams on so if they're going

46:43 ↗ to meet someone of the public they

46:45 ↗ wouldn't be on if they're it's just us

46:46 ↗ sitting around the table and we're all

46:47 ↗ cops that's just not they're not going

46:49 ↗ to have them on because they're going to

46:50 ↗ have conversations about their families

46:52 ↗ and other things

46:53 ↗ um they wouldn't be on if they step out

46:55 ↗ in the lobby like they're responding to

46:57 ↗ a citizen in the lobby or they're even

46:58 ↗ getting on a phone call that's to a

47:01 ↗ citizen and we call those uh 21. so you

47:03 ↗ called in to report something and take a

47:05 ↗ report I would turn on that they would

47:07 ↗ turn on potentially turn on the body

47:09 ↗ Camp that's part of what the policy is

47:11 ↗ so I say potentially because those

47:13 ↗ pieces all have to be approved by

47:16 ↗ everybody including yourselves for

47:17 ↗ review and it's 11 pages so it's a lot

47:19 ↗ of information

47:21 ↗ um but yes the guideline is that when

47:23 ↗ you go to take a report of a victim or a

47:25 ↗ suspect or any of the above by the way

47:27 ↗ you're being audio and video recorded

47:28 ↗ and that would stay on for the duration

47:30 ↗ and part of that's written in there that

47:32 ↗ they are not allowed to shut it off

47:33 ↗ during that interaction

47:35 ↗ and so whether it's at the station

47:37 ↗ whether it be they're responding to a

47:39 ↗ call elsewhere if they're in uniform

47:41 ↗ they're to be wearing that especially if

47:43 ↗ they're responding to someone of the

47:44 ↗ public even if it's you're just coming

47:46 ↗ into have an interaction to bring

47:49 ↗ cookies or fruit or say thank you that's

47:53 ↗ still interaction it would be the idea

47:54 ↗ that it's being documented so those

47:58 ↗ interactions no matter who they're with

47:59 ↗ those biases or whatever can still be

48:02 ↗ out there but there's also things in

48:04 ↗ place for example this has the

48:06 ↗ capability

48:08 ↗ for me as a supervisor let's say there's

48:10 ↗ a shooting God forbid I'm gonna find

48:12 ↗ another one but let's say there is I can

48:15 ↗ log in remotely

48:17 ↗ to any of the officers body cams while

48:19 ↗ I'm at my house and it's not for

48:21 ↗ oversight to be micromanaging or oversee

48:24 ↗ the officers it's so I conceive real

48:26 ↗ life and help make decisions and calls

48:29 ↗ on the air or to my staff saying we need

48:31 ↗ more we need more staff we need whatever

48:33 ↗ that's the intent and purpose of it not

48:37 ↗ to micromanage the officers and those

48:40 ↗ are only certain circumstances where I

48:42 ↗ would be logging into something like

48:44 ↗ that would be a live in progress Mass

48:46 ↗ circumstance that was necessary to where

48:49 ↗ they're going to be calling me in any

48:50 ↗ way but I would be able to be viewing

48:52 ↗ that

48:54 ↗ I needed to ask a follow-up question you

48:56 ↗ said that even when the answering a

48:58 ↗ pollen goal he turned it on but are your

49:01 ↗ calls not recorded no if I call you from

49:04 ↗ my from our like Patrol cell phone so if

49:06 ↗ you call in and say hey I describe this

49:08 ↗ happened to me I had something stolen on

49:10 ↗ my car but I just need a phone call

49:12 ↗ only 911 calls are always recorded so

49:15 ↗ when an officer calls you from a

49:16 ↗ landline Insider station or from their

49:19 ↗ cell phone that's not automatically

49:21 ↗ recorded

49:22 ↗ but with the body cams that would give

49:24 ↗ us that capability to do so

49:27 ↗ no yep and then also if we use the

49:30 ↗ language line for any reason and there's

49:33 ↗ an interpreter being used we can say and

49:35 ↗ they can use that in court to say with

49:37 ↗ that court it's going to be recorded now

49:39 ↗ they can say well that interpreter said

49:41 ↗ something yeah it didn't translate

49:43 ↗ correctly or with what exactly the

49:45 ↗ officer said or they did but it has

49:47 ↗ multiple meanings it's not necessarily

49:49 ↗ that they did it wrong it's that that

49:51 ↗ had multiple meanings

49:53 ↗ correct

49:55 ↗ so yes that is that opportunity yes yeah

49:57 ↗ at the risk of delaying the presentation

50:00 ↗ a little bit more just I have a question

50:02 ↗ around the purpose of the use of body

50:06 ↗ cameras

50:07 ↗ um because I think I've heard different

50:09 ↗ like

50:11 ↗ what yeah what are the outcomes we're

50:14 ↗ expecting is it is it to provide clear

50:17 ↗ evidence or crimes that have been

50:20 ↗ perpetuated or is it to actually prevent

50:23 ↗ crimes because people may know that

50:25 ↗ there's a camera

50:27 ↗ okay it's not it's gone kind of

50:29 ↗ necessarily to prevent crimes because

50:30 ↗ majority of staff are you know law

50:33 ↗ enforcement are already wearing them

50:39 ↗ so this is more for in progress so for

50:42 ↗ example we had a crime that happened

50:44 ↗ earlier today and we have a bunch of

50:47 ↗ people out with our video cameras and

50:48 ↗ they that that's their little snippet

50:50 ↗ and their angle of what that report was

50:53 ↗ and what took place these also record up

50:56 ↗ to a minute to two minutes back so as

50:59 ↗ I'm driving to the scene and I check

51:02 ↗ that on I get what happened a few

51:04 ↗ minutes before

51:05 ↗ and so it's not preventative it's to

51:08 ↗ show that the actions were necessary

51:10 ↗ it's to show that if they were

51:12 ↗ respectful all of those extra pieces

51:15 ↗ okay

51:16 ↗ um that's the intent and purpose of it

51:18 ↗ um to say you know it may be an added

51:20 ↗ benefit

51:21 ↗ that it may prevent some crimes uh but

51:24 ↗ yes this slide actually shows the

51:26 ↗ studies on the body worn camps the

51:28 ↗ transparency and accountability for the

51:30 ↗ officers themselves and thanks for

51:32 ↗ leading into my slide that was great

51:33 ↗ appreciate it

51:35 ↗ um and so it's just critical for for all

51:38 ↗ sides when we get the multiple camera

51:41 ↗ angles several different people we saw

51:44 ↗ one that had that we use for training

51:46 ↗ was on a shooting in a different city

51:48 ↗ and showed how an officer came up his

51:51 ↗ actions what could he have done to be

51:53 ↗ prevent someone from trying to grab

51:55 ↗ their gun

51:57 ↗ um several different things on things

51:58 ↗ that could be delayed as a training

52:00 ↗ purpose so we can use it for training we

52:02 ↗ can use it to make sure my recollection

52:05 ↗ if I have tunnel vision if I see someone

52:07 ↗ with a gun if I can have a recollection

52:09 ↗ and even look back then my report's not

52:12 ↗ false it's what tunnel vision was but

52:14 ↗ then there's a reality of what that

52:15 ↗ interaction was maybe I think if if

52:17 ↗ Monica's getting hostile with me my

52:20 ↗ interpretation is she's or I have a bias

52:22 ↗ that she's getting hostile with me and

52:24 ↗ my response may have been more

52:25 ↗ aggressive than it needed to be but I

52:27 ↗ don't know that until I see that video

52:29 ↗ and go oh wow I can see maybe how that

52:31 ↗ that came about and sometimes we don't

52:33 ↗ know some of that so it's educational

52:34 ↗ for the them officer themselves changes

52:37 ↗ that interaction it's a it's a change in

52:39 ↗ interaction for a supervisor being able

52:42 ↗ to give that feedback it's also if it's

52:45 ↗ egregious then it needs to be addressed

52:48 ↗ in a different fashion then we have that

52:50 ↗ opportunity for our officers to grow and

52:52 ↗ be better

52:53 ↗ um or if someone does an amazing job and

52:56 ↗ saved a life we have that documentation

52:58 ↗ to say you know what good thing that you

53:00 ↗ know kudos to you for you know being

53:02 ↗ there and handling things the way you

53:04 ↗ did so it's multifaceted but again it's

53:08 ↗ also to make sure because we have people

53:10 ↗ we've had

53:11 ↗ um you know there's been say I've been

53:14 ↗ here almost six years now in the six

53:16 ↗ years then there's been a couple people

53:17 ↗ who have made allegations that an

53:19 ↗ officers come up and only approach them

53:21 ↗ because is their color when they're just

53:23 ↗ saying it was when the shopping cart was

53:24 ↗ a big deal right when people were

53:26 ↗ walking them back to the transit center

53:28 ↗ and it wasn't okay and from their own

53:30 ↗ vehicle they said you need to take that

53:32 ↗ you know that

53:34 ↗ um cart back it's illegal for you to be

53:35 ↗ having that and pushing it away and they

53:37 ↗ said that you know they claim I'm an

53:39 ↗ attorney they can't approach me like

53:40 ↗ that I wasn't no you you were doing

53:43 ↗ something illegal you didn't even get

53:44 ↗ out of his car but again it's in your by

53:47 ↗ your own admission but I wasn't there so

53:50 ↗ all I can go with what his version of it

53:51 ↗ was and what her version of it was and

53:53 ↗ this would make it very clear and I and

53:55 ↗ we asked the questions did they use

53:57 ↗ profanity were they disrespectful in any

53:59 ↗ way people no but they can't talk to me

54:01 ↗ like that and tell me I can't what I can

54:02 ↗ and cannot do this just gives that extra

54:04 ↗ piece to go wait a minute and so again

54:07 ↗ jury of your peers or other people that

54:09 ↗ would be reviewing can go no that was

54:12 ↗ that was

54:13 ↗ an okay contact or no that was over the

54:16 ↗ line and that needs to be addressed

54:18 ↗ differently and then we don't we see if

54:19 ↗ there's a pattern of that

54:21 ↗ um and then it can be something that

54:22 ↗ doesn't get to the point of some of the

54:24 ↗ cases that have happened in the last

54:25 ↗ couple of years and so

54:27 ↗ or even how they use Force because let's

54:30 ↗ say they've they work nights a lot and

54:32 ↗ or days doesn't matter and they're ones

54:33 ↗ that seem to have use of force reports

54:35 ↗ more than others

54:36 ↗ and that's to go okay why is this

54:38 ↗ officers just because they're proactive

54:40 ↗ which is great because they're going out

54:41 ↗ there bless you trying to find

54:44 ↗ um you know people that are doing things

54:47 ↗ and preventing them and they just happen

54:49 ↗ to get in the find those people more

54:50 ↗ they dig up a little more are they

54:52 ↗ someone that just rolls around the

54:53 ↗ community and if it happens to be they

54:55 ↗ just dig up a little bit more it doesn't

54:56 ↗ mean their actions just because they

54:58 ↗ have use of force or maybe it is but

55:00 ↗ these body cams will be able for us to

55:02 ↗ say yeah they're a little more

55:04 ↗ aggressive we need to have some more

55:05 ↗ defensive tactics more de-escalation we

55:08 ↗ had an incident recently where citizen

55:11 ↗ came out of the store we had a homeless

55:12 ↗ person

55:13 ↗ they'll install some food six officers

55:16 ↗ were there the citizen was very upset

55:18 ↗ that we had six officers there sometimes

55:20 ↗ having six officers there is a

55:22 ↗ de-escalation tool

55:24 ↗ and the cameras would show that because

55:26 ↗ if there's six officers you may say I'm

55:29 ↗ not going to run because I'm not going

55:31 ↗ anywhere there's six officers here so

55:32 ↗ that's the escalation in and of itself

55:34 ↗ to where the guy just goes okay and puts

55:36 ↗ his hands behind his back to where now I

55:38 ↗ don't have to go Hands-On and nobody

55:39 ↗ gets hurt or the other was the

55:41 ↗ likelihood of an officer or that

55:43 ↗ individual getting hurt when that's not

55:44 ↗ what we're there to do so the presence

55:46 ↗ of more people is not to be intimidating

55:48 ↗ or that we're scared it's also to make

55:51 ↗ sure it's a de-escalated motion and so

55:53 ↗ that's what a lot of people don't

55:55 ↗ understand some of those pieces and

55:56 ↗ those cameras help that and it gives a

56:00 ↗ complete version versus all those people

56:02 ↗ going oh here's my camera well when did

56:04 ↗ you turn it on and did you get the stuff

56:05 ↗ that happened before or what they were

56:08 ↗ saying and so this gives that full you

56:10 ↗ can't don't have that opportunity to

56:11 ↗ turn it off either

56:13 ↗ yes

56:19 ↗ so the intent is

56:21 ↗ um

56:22 ↗ we have to get the policy approved

56:24 ↗ before we can do even the pilot program

56:26 ↗ what we'd like to do is we would like to

56:28 ↗ get the policy the pilot program moving

56:30 ↗ in in effect

56:32 ↗ what this is is this is a review of

56:35 ↗ multiple other agencies excuse me

56:38 ↗ policies on body cameras who's already

56:40 ↗ been wearing them and already has them

56:41 ↗ in effect

56:43 ↗ before it can get approved it and you

56:46 ↗ guys are the are the first group to go

56:49 ↗ through this then once you guys have

56:52 ↗ approval or comments and things we can

56:54 ↗ look at and evaluate and to incorporate

56:56 ↗ for the policy the next steps is we have

56:59 ↗ to send this to every one of our unions

57:01 ↗ and there's five because everyone even

57:03 ↗ if you're let's say a dispatcher

57:04 ↗ officers will come in with body cams on

57:07 ↗ and so having some of those guidelines

57:09 ↗ or you might be recorded if you're

57:11 ↗ riding in a car with one of them or as a

57:15 ↗ dispatcher a lot of their conversations

57:16 ↗ are already recorded but if someone is

57:18 ↗ and they're walking through the lobby

57:20 ↗ they know everybody comes being worn so

57:22 ↗ all the different unions have to be take

57:24 ↗ and sign off on this I will say that

57:27 ↗ almost all of them well from what I can

57:30 ↗ remember all of them

57:31 ↗ um are okay and on board with the body

57:34 ↗ cameras the one thing that there's

57:36 ↗ question about is some of them didn't

57:38 ↗ want to wear them if they didn't have to

57:40 ↗ which we already have tons of cameras in

57:43 ↗ their area already from when they're

57:45 ↗ doing their specific jobs so it doesn't

57:48 ↗ mean we couldn't add them later

57:49 ↗ but as far as our correction stuff

57:52 ↗ because there's cameras throughout the

57:53 ↗ entire jail

57:54 ↗ um and so they're on camera all the time

57:56 ↗ as it is so but down the road if they we

57:59 ↗ chose to or felt that that was necessary

58:01 ↗ or a good idea that is something that is

58:03 ↗ something that could be added but

58:05 ↗ everybody else has been and even their

58:07 ↗ group because they might be in contact

58:08 ↗ or if I'm arresting somebody and I go

58:10 ↗ down to the jail I'm going to be wearing

58:12 ↗ my camera and it's going to be on so you

58:14 ↗ as a corrections officer will be on

58:15 ↗ camera with your actions as well while

58:17 ↗ I'm in the jail and so those are

58:19 ↗ conversations to be had with those

58:21 ↗ groups but they have to approve there's

58:23 ↗ one part that I know that's not in here

58:25 ↗ that will likely be added is there's no

58:29 ↗ um grace period right now A grace period

58:33 ↗ will likely be added what I mean by that

58:35 ↗ is you'll see after reading the body cam

58:37 ↗ policy that there are questions

58:40 ↗ regarding whether or not like when you

58:43 ↗ turn it on when you don't you can be

58:45 ↗ disciplined if you shut it off in the

58:46 ↗ middle of an action which is for good

58:48 ↗ cause right the whole point is to get

58:49 ↗ the full View

58:50 ↗ well the grace period is I'm not used to

58:52 ↗ wearing this and so if I accidentally

58:54 ↗ don't turn it on when I get out of my

58:55 ↗ car and I'm going to go Hands-On with

58:57 ↗ somebody or an immediate action that at

58:59 ↗ grace period for 30 to 60 days or

59:03 ↗ however long you know is deemed

59:05 ↗ agreeable to the different unions and

59:07 ↗ everybody that's likely and is in all

59:09 ↗ the other policies that something's

59:10 ↗ going to be needed because it's brand

59:11 ↗ new we also have to be able to

59:13 ↗ incorporate that's training another

59:15 ↗ thing that will have to happen before we

59:17 ↗ add the policy and start the pilot

59:21 ↗ program is a way to take because we're

59:24 ↗ going to get

59:25 ↗ prr requests public disclosure requests

59:27 ↗ people are going to say I want the video

59:29 ↗ well there's going to be a charge for it

59:31 ↗ because it's a lot of money time to

59:33 ↗ redact a video just because you want to

59:35 ↗ see and have fun and see what the cops

59:37 ↗ were doing on this Friday night

59:39 ↗ that's a lot of video a lot of redaction

59:40 ↗ a lot of information and so because of

59:42 ↗ that there's going to be a fee well we

59:44 ↗ currently don't have a way of taking

59:45 ↗ payment and so we're at those with

59:46 ↗ another piece because we don't take

59:48 ↗ credit card payment so it's that is in

59:51 ↗ it that's in its works but that's just

59:53 ↗ another piece right on how that has to

59:55 ↗ be done and what the price is for each

59:57 ↗ one of those things so we're looking at

59:59 ↗ what other

1:00:00 ↗ you know cities do in that aspect and

1:00:03 ↗ then how we we put that into that's not

1:00:05 ↗ part of the policy on what the fees are

1:00:07 ↗ but it does it is a piece it is a big

1:00:10 ↗ piece of how that works and to create

1:00:12 ↗ also the policy and how we implemented

1:00:14 ↗ these

1:00:15 ↗ we had a whole team with all different

1:00:17 ↗ Visions divisions from people on our

1:00:19 ↗ staff that went and went to different

1:00:21 ↗ agencies that already have them like

1:00:23 ↗ what did you have to do for IT people

1:00:25 ↗ and did you have a cloud or do you where

1:00:27 ↗ do you store it and how many people did

1:00:28 ↗ you have to hire for a public disclosure

1:00:30 ↗ requests and how many did they go up

1:00:32 ↗ compared to what they were before and

1:00:34 ↗ just we got all the static because

1:00:36 ↗ there's no point in Reinventing the

1:00:37 ↗ wheel right we're one of the last ones

1:00:38 ↗ there's tons of data out there how do we

1:00:41 ↗ best do this without

1:00:44 ↗ um Reinventing the wheel and

1:00:47 ↗ problems that They Came Upon how do we

1:00:50 ↗ avoid those and so we we did our best to

1:00:53 ↗ make sure that was implemented and

1:00:55 ↗ taking place as well with our staff

1:01:02 ↗ so we talked about exploring bias and

1:01:04 ↗ privilege through data

1:01:06 ↗ um this is a lot of the tracking and the

1:01:08 ↗ different lenses that we look through

1:01:09 ↗ there'll also be times with it that we

1:01:12 ↗ will use information to where we'll do

1:01:15 ↗ random checks and that'll be part of

1:01:18 ↗ having them we do that on our messages

1:01:19 ↗ because the officers do messages on

1:01:21 ↗ their computers and their cars back and

1:01:22 ↗ forth we do regular monthly data audits

1:01:26 ↗ to make sure they're doing having

1:01:28 ↗ appropriate conversations who they're

1:01:30 ↗ talking to

1:01:31 ↗ um that it's professional because it's a

1:01:33 ↗ business computer and so we do audits

1:01:35 ↗ like that similar audits will be had on

1:01:37 ↗ the body cams as well again it's not to

1:01:39 ↗ micromanage it's just quality control

1:01:41 ↗ it's making sure our staff are doing the

1:01:44 ↗ work that they should be doing

1:01:45 ↗ like you would if you're checking any

1:01:47 ↗ one or any reports in any of your lines

1:01:49 ↗ of work that's just what you do for

1:01:50 ↗ quality control and that helps with

1:01:52 ↗ those

1:01:54 ↗ um the data comes in there's an instant

1:01:55 ↗ report in other words a call for service

1:01:57 ↗ whether you walk in the lobby Lorna or

1:01:59 ↗ whether someone calls on the phone or

1:02:01 ↗ they call 9-1-1 that's how initial the

1:02:03 ↗ reports comes in front desk calling the

1:02:06 ↗ center contacting an officer just by

1:02:08 ↗ walking up to their car because they see

1:02:09 ↗ them parked somewhere or officer

1:02:11 ↗ initiated which would be like a traffic

1:02:13 ↗ stop seeing someone walking down the

1:02:15 ↗ street when I was working Patrol I'd see

1:02:18 ↗ someone walking down the street you can

1:02:19 ↗ tell who's Maybe

1:02:22 ↗ business person and someone that's not a

1:02:24 ↗ business person if it's three in the

1:02:25 ↗ morning and I might walk up and park in

1:02:28 ↗ a you know a driveway get out of my car

1:02:31 ↗ and say hey how's it going

1:02:33 ↗ why are you talking to me I like to know

1:02:35 ↗ who's in my city how can I help you you

1:02:37 ↗ know you're under three in the morning

1:02:38 ↗ you know it wasn't something I learned

1:02:40 ↗ initially I learned The Gift of Gab

1:02:42 ↗ because I want to know and talk to them

1:02:44 ↗ and get to know can I help you do you

1:02:46 ↗ need Services what's going on would you

1:02:48 ↗ mind giving me your name they don't have

1:02:49 ↗ to they're not required to but I can ask

1:02:51 ↗ and if they choose to then we go from

1:02:54 ↗ there well hey you know that's great do

1:02:56 ↗ you need a ride somewhere I have to know

1:02:57 ↗ who you are put you in my car and I'm

1:02:59 ↗ gonna assert you

1:03:00 ↗ you don't have to get in my car and I

1:03:01 ↗ don't have to give you a ride but that

1:03:03 ↗ is an option but it's having those

1:03:04 ↗ conversations so those are officer

1:03:06 ↗ initiated

1:03:07 ↗ um and so you can make contact but

1:03:09 ↗ that's how we collect some of our data

1:03:11 ↗ some of the questions that you guys had

1:03:13 ↗ asked about we do have the data can you

1:03:15 ↗ please

1:03:18 ↗ lots of different information here

1:03:21 ↗ um there's also limitations

1:03:24 ↗ um but we do take a lot of notes and so

1:03:26 ↗ responsible Fielding calls they're the

1:03:29 ↗ ones that take our initial and send the

1:03:30 ↗ officers to where they go and they do a

1:03:32 ↗ great job they even sometimes have

1:03:34 ↗ circumvent like say do you need police

1:03:37 ↗ or fire

1:03:38 ↗ um or medical and say they transfer some

1:03:40 ↗ of those calls out we also dispatch for

1:03:43 ↗ three different cities so some of the

1:03:45 ↗ data that we have we do break it down

1:03:46 ↗ because we also dispatch for Snoqualmie

1:03:49 ↗ North Bend right now

1:03:51 ↗ um we do have some incomplete data from

1:03:53 ↗ when we went to up to Redmond so we were

1:03:55 ↗ just uh relocated for a short period in

1:03:58 ↗ Redmond so there's a period of about

1:03:59 ↗ three months

1:04:01 ↗ um September through December where I

1:04:03 ↗ guess four months where we weren't

1:04:05 ↗ didn't have so much data

1:04:07 ↗ um but here we do have several bits of

1:04:10 ↗ information that Ryan was able to put

1:04:12 ↗ together uh the census of population 40

1:04:16 ↗ 000. this is what our breakdown is by

1:04:20 ↗ um I think we have a

1:04:22 ↗ what's Ai and American Indian Alaska

1:04:25 ↗ Nation okay thank you

1:04:27 ↗ um I figured that's what it was but I

1:04:29 ↗ didn't know the exact acronym so thank

1:04:31 ↗ you and so this is a breakdown of the

1:04:33 ↗ population by ethnicity by what's been

1:04:35 ↗ reported on the 2020 census

1:04:38 ↗ and a lot other information median age

1:04:40 ↗ and so forth

1:04:42 ↗ um if you guys

1:04:43 ↗ um are so inclined

1:04:46 ↗ Ryan has put together an amazing

1:04:49 ↗ biannual year-end report that had not

1:04:52 ↗ been done before

1:04:53 ↗ um we did a biannual and now we're going

1:04:55 ↗ to do an annual so we do this was done

1:04:57 ↗ by um in the beginning and then later on

1:04:59 ↗ and it's available on the website

1:05:03 ↗ and what this also one of the pages that

1:05:05 ↗ we didn't include here that I wanted to

1:05:07 ↗ give you is population in Corrections so

1:05:11 ↗ like our staff our people that are our

1:05:13 ↗ residents as I call them our guests we

1:05:16 ↗ have a 72 bed jail in the um basement of

1:05:19 ↗ the city hall

1:05:20 ↗ and a lot of people don't realize that

1:05:23 ↗ and so we 72 beds and so with that we do

1:05:29 ↗ have on that census and I can pass this

1:05:31 ↗ around too I did bring it for a view it

1:05:34 ↗ gives what the ethnicity is of the

1:05:37 ↗ majority of people that were in there

1:05:39 ↗ during the specific dates and times and

1:05:41 ↗ there's a lot of information in that

1:05:43 ↗ again it is available on the website if

1:05:45 ↗ anybody wanted to view that

1:05:47 ↗ um over the last few years Ryan brought

1:05:49 ↗ that down a great deal

1:05:50 ↗ um did a lot of work on that

1:05:53 ↗ I just want everyone to know that the

1:05:56 ↗ jail contracts for services for what 17

1:06:00 ↗ different jurisdictions so they're not

1:06:03 ↗ all our

1:06:04 ↗ tokens they are they do come from other

1:06:08 ↗ other cities is that because of sorry

1:06:10 ↗ you have to ask this question does that

1:06:13 ↗ come from like overflow at maybe like

1:06:15 ↗ Redmond Bellevue maybe their jails or

1:06:17 ↗ overflowed they don't have jails

1:06:20 ↗ that's why they book with us they

1:06:22 ↗ contract with us and that's why we have

1:06:25 ↗ a 72-bit jail because we have we have

1:06:27 ↗ people that come from Duvall we have

1:06:29 ↗ people that book with us from Bothell we

1:06:31 ↗ have people that book with us because

1:06:32 ↗ it's King County Jail which is extremely

1:06:34 ↗ expensive oh yeah

1:06:37 ↗ um extremely expensive Merchant Island

1:06:39 ↗ books with us Federal Way books with us

1:06:41 ↗ how do they get how do they get away

1:06:44 ↗ with not providing

1:06:46 ↗ beds to their own jurisdiction yeah they

1:06:50 ↗ contract with a place to book them and

1:06:52 ↗ they book them in King County or score

1:06:54 ↗ or Kirkland or us because I'm imagining

1:06:58 ↗ you know when you've served your time or

1:07:01 ↗ what however you say that

1:07:04 ↗ now you're lit out into Issaquah sorry

1:07:08 ↗ well so here's the thing so if you are

1:07:11 ↗ someone that goes to court like Federal

1:07:12 ↗ Way for example you go to court it's

1:07:15 ↗ likely you could get out that day you

1:07:16 ↗ take everything with you so you're not

1:07:18 ↗ let out here you're let out there they

1:07:20 ↗ come and get you and they take you back

1:07:22 ↗ to your city their city that they came

1:07:23 ↗ from if you do Court basically you

1:07:25 ↗ didn't go to court and if the judge says

1:07:27 ↗ you're released then they'd let you add

1:07:29 ↗ them out in Federal Way you don't get

1:07:30 ↗ automatically released into Issaquah

1:07:32 ↗ that's not how that works okay but if

1:07:34 ↗ you are housed here you're saying that

1:07:37 ↗ you're taken back to Federal Way or to

1:07:39 ↗ go to go to court they sometimes even

1:07:41 ↗ have video court but they have a

1:07:42 ↗ transport team that literally comes and

1:07:44 ↗ that's part of the contract is that we

1:07:46 ↗ don't just release people out into our

1:07:48 ↗ community unless they were booked for

1:07:49 ↗ our jail

1:07:52 ↗ I mean it is dependent on the situation

1:07:54 ↗ but our course

1:07:56 ↗ um serves number four or five different

1:07:59 ↗ cities and so you know like duvant is

1:08:02 ↗ one of them that we take so

1:08:04 ↗ folks that are booked in from Duval

1:08:07 ↗ they'll go you know we take them to

1:08:09 ↗ court here and then you know they might

1:08:12 ↗ be released in a web of the circle yeah

1:08:14 ↗ they oftentimes because we do it so much

1:08:15 ↗ since covid they do a multitude of video

1:08:18 ↗ Court

1:08:19 ↗ so so much of what we do is video court

1:08:21 ↗ now so they'll do video court with the

1:08:23 ↗ judge in Duvall from here or they'll be

1:08:25 ↗ RCR judge do through video Court in our

1:08:28 ↗ jail and then what they do is if the

1:08:31 ↗ judge says it what we also give free bus

1:08:32 ↗ passes so which of the bus station is

1:08:34 ↗ right outside our door

1:08:36 ↗ um if they're a homeless person we still

1:08:37 ↗ give go packs as we call them which have

1:08:40 ↗ resources that we've got grants for so

1:08:42 ↗ they get socks because that's the

1:08:43 ↗ biggest thing people need is socks we

1:08:45 ↗ even have a clothing bank for people

1:08:46 ↗ that have left clothing we're one of the

1:08:48 ↗ only jails that actually washes clothing

1:08:50 ↗ so if you're homeless person and you

1:08:51 ↗ come in we actually do your laundry when

1:08:52 ↗ you leave you leave with clean clothes

1:08:55 ↗ um they get water you know granola bars

1:08:57 ↗ especially on a Friday if we let you out

1:08:58 ↗ we want you to have resources because

1:09:00 ↗ you can't get two resources till Monday

1:09:01 ↗ so we do a lot of different things but

1:09:04 ↗ yeah majority of the time though this

1:09:06 ↗ contract say is specifically like

1:09:07 ↗ Federal Way as an example they get they

1:09:09 ↗ go to court even if they do video Court

1:09:10 ↗ here the transport people take them back

1:09:12 ↗ to Federal Way we don't give them the

1:09:14 ↗ bus ticket and let them out in our city

1:09:15 ↗ that's not how that works sometimes they

1:09:17 ↗ want to be picked up by their own people

1:09:18 ↗ and they they show up and pick them up

1:09:20 ↗ here

1:09:24 ↗ so I just want to do a quick time check

1:09:26 ↗ because we have about a little more than

1:09:28 ↗ 10 minutes and you're getting to the

1:09:30 ↗ juiciest part of the slide that's with

1:09:32 ↗ demographic data so I want to make sure

1:09:33 ↗ when you get to all of that stuff

1:09:37 ↗ so um yeah we have the roughly 60 000

1:09:41 ↗ calls a year in our little Center I'm

1:09:44 ↗ dispatching for three different

1:09:45 ↗ jurisdictions and that's going to

1:09:46 ↗ increase and the reason that's going to

1:09:48 ↗ increase is because in the past it was

1:09:50 ↗ that you know when you call 9-1-1 and

1:09:52 ↗ you're in whatever Tower it hits off you

1:09:54 ↗ get wsp or you get whatever other City

1:09:57 ↗ you might ping off that Tower well now

1:09:59 ↗ it's going to be literally because

1:10:01 ↗ technology has advanced so much that if

1:10:04 ↗ you're on I-90 in Issaquah you will get

1:10:06 ↗ us you won't get State Patrol or you

1:10:08 ↗ won't get somewhere other Tower you will

1:10:10 ↗ get us

1:10:11 ↗ um if you're on in

1:10:14 ↗ Sammamish you won't get us you will get

1:10:16 ↗ actually County or we'll transfer you

1:10:19 ↗ but typically you're going to get the

1:10:20 ↗ jurisdiction you're in now because

1:10:22 ↗ they're geographically being able to so

1:10:24 ↗ much more advanced and that's what

1:10:26 ↗ they're moving to so ours will likely

1:10:28 ↗ increase because we won't be have to be

1:10:30 ↗ you know transferred from somewhere else

1:10:32 ↗ we'll get the ones that are actually in

1:10:34 ↗ our city so that will and in the city

1:10:36 ↗ other cities that we actually

1:10:38 ↗ um Snoqualmie North Bend dispatch for as

1:10:40 ↗ well

1:10:42 ↗ is the number of 9-1-1 calls because of

1:10:46 ↗ more trauma in the community or it feels

1:10:48 ↗ like since covered 2020 our numbers have

1:10:52 ↗ gone up six percent of increase of 9-1-1

1:10:55 ↗ calls

1:10:59 ↗ so is it because of more trauma and more

1:11:03 ↗ crime are your

1:11:06 ↗ what kind of calls I mean just wondering

1:11:09 ↗ why we're seeing so much more 911 calls

1:11:12 ↗ part of it part of it honestly is

1:11:15 ↗ um Everybody through code had to stay

1:11:16 ↗ home

1:11:17 ↗ and so we didn't get near as much

1:11:20 ↗ um as far as out in the community a lot

1:11:21 ↗ of people stay at home more the other

1:11:23 ↗ reason is also we all we always talk

1:11:25 ↗ about see something say something so

1:11:27 ↗ that's been a real big push to where

1:11:29 ↗ people we ask them to call 9-1-1 where

1:11:31 ↗ it's in progress well some people are

1:11:32 ↗ like I'm not going to bother I don't

1:11:34 ↗ want to waste their time with this well

1:11:35 ↗ we're encouraging people to call more

1:11:37 ↗ often and so that's another big piece

1:11:39 ↗ there was a period at the towards the

1:11:42 ↗ end of covet

1:11:43 ↗ um where shoplifting just increased

1:11:46 ↗ massively in property crimes and we had

1:11:49 ↗ been responding to that greatly and so

1:11:51 ↗ we were getting more calls for service

1:11:52 ↗ that way but that is also now decreased

1:11:54 ↗ okay so are we going to expect that 911

1:11:57 ↗ calls are you thinking it's going to go

1:11:59 ↗ back down in the next couple of years I

1:12:02 ↗ I can't answer that without getting more

1:12:04 ↗ data and the only reason I say that is

1:12:06 ↗ because the new change with the 911s

1:12:08 ↗ that we're going to be getting more that

1:12:10 ↗ are in our area specifically like if

1:12:12 ↗ they're in on I-90 they're driving

1:12:14 ↗ through our city and they call 9-1-1

1:12:16 ↗ because they see a reckless driver or

1:12:18 ↗ that call will come to our Center so I'm

1:12:20 ↗ anticipating it will go up a little bit

1:12:23 ↗ but I think it will also plateau

1:12:26 ↗ but we can also we that's why we have

1:12:28 ↗ Ryan she's going to monitor that and

1:12:30 ↗ we're going to get more information and

1:12:31 ↗ she'll push that out on the websites

1:12:34 ↗ that we've also listed and so we can get

1:12:36 ↗ that data regularly too and we track

1:12:39 ↗ that in the month yeah

1:12:43 ↗ um yeah in the 911 calls for service we

1:12:46 ↗ don't factor in the demographics uh we

1:12:48 ↗ don't ask those questions you know we

1:12:52 ↗ don't ask their ethnicity in any way

1:12:53 ↗ shape or form when they call we ask

1:12:55 ↗ their name and their contact number so

1:12:57 ↗ we can get a hold of them again if we

1:12:58 ↗ need to if they're a witness or they're

1:12:59 ↗ reporting something they're allowed to

1:13:01 ↗ remain anonymous

1:13:02 ↗ um if they if they need to and they

1:13:04 ↗ choose to so we don't ask those

1:13:06 ↗ questions specifically when they we get

1:13:09 ↗ the and respond and answer 9-1-1

1:13:12 ↗ um and we were talking about this

1:13:14 ↗ earlier as well Ryan and I

1:13:17 ↗ um it also can still be

1:13:20 ↗ very questionable and so for example if

1:13:24 ↗ I pull you over

1:13:25 ↗ my interpretation if you did not put on

1:13:28 ↗ your driver's license or if you don't

1:13:30 ↗ have your driver's license with you it's

1:13:32 ↗ my interpretation of what race you are

1:13:34 ↗ or I put unknown

1:13:36 ↗ so I don't want to guess or let's say

1:13:39 ↗ you're a

1:13:41 ↗ um a mixed race and my interpretation is

1:13:44 ↗ that you're one but you identify as

1:13:45 ↗ something different and so your driver's

1:13:46 ↗ license says something different so it's

1:13:49 ↗ it's going to be skewed a little bit

1:13:51 ↗ regardless because there's some things

1:13:53 ↗ Even in our use of force reports if I

1:13:55 ↗ don't know I don't always ask your your

1:13:57 ↗ race so if I don't know I'll put unknown

1:14:00 ↗ unless it's definitive and I can tell

1:14:02 ↗ you're of a specific ethnicity or you're

1:14:06 ↗ definitely Caucasian I don't I'm not

1:14:08 ↗ going to put that in a report I'll put

1:14:09 ↗ that your white or I'll put that you're

1:14:10 ↗ unknown is what I'll you know or there's

1:14:13 ↗ a j so it's very

1:14:15 ↗ if you don't choose to put your race on

1:14:17 ↗ your driver's license or if you don't

1:14:18 ↗ have your driver's license I don't have

1:14:20 ↗ a way to check that and so if I do put

1:14:22 ↗ something in the system it's what my

1:14:24 ↗ interpretation is of that which can make

1:14:26 ↗ a difference

1:14:27 ↗ we're on the driver's license does it

1:14:29 ↗ give you that option

1:14:30 ↗ when you fill out your form

1:14:32 ↗ so when we run it

1:14:34 ↗ it's not on there it's when I run you

1:14:36 ↗ it's when I run your name got it I don't

1:14:39 ↗ remember that that's interesting yeah so

1:14:41 ↗ some of the indicators that are

1:14:43 ↗ inherently may not get to all of them

1:14:46 ↗ some of them are based on the officer

1:14:49 ↗ perception of race ethnicity and some of

1:14:52 ↗ them are based on the information from

1:14:55 ↗ them you know the individuals themselves

1:14:57 ↗ it is aggregate like the arrests that is

1:15:01 ↗ uh information based on the individuals

1:15:04 ↗ themselves how they identify

1:15:06 ↗ self-identification of their resurgences

1:15:08 ↗ can somebody being arrested or charged

1:15:11 ↗ or whatever interaction with the police

1:15:13 ↗ say I request that you put my ethnicity

1:15:16 ↗ as Xyz yeah yeah they can do this and we

1:15:19 ↗ ask you we are like if I'm doing a DUI

1:15:22 ↗ report I can ask you what what race do

1:15:24 ↗ you identify us and you can choose not

1:15:26 ↗ to say a word so it's in my

1:15:28 ↗ interpretation or I put unknown and so

1:15:31 ↗ you're going to get one of those two so

1:15:32 ↗ there can be we have a whole slew in our

1:15:34 ↗ database that's unknown because we're we

1:15:36 ↗ don't guess and some of the officers

1:15:38 ↗ flat out just say if I don't know and

1:15:39 ↗ they don't want to give it to me then

1:15:40 ↗ I'm going to put on them right

1:15:43 ↗ with exception to parking data because a

1:15:45 ↗ lot of times when a parking ticket comes

1:15:47 ↗ there

1:15:48 ↗ the driver may not be in the Google and

1:15:50 ↗ so we don't know what their race is a

1:15:53 ↗ fire lane handicapped any of those as

1:15:56 ↗ well they're not required to give I mean

1:15:57 ↗ we don't know the driver's not in the

1:15:59 ↗ car yeah so

1:16:02 ↗ so this was uh one of the questions that

1:16:05 ↗ was asked was about you know traffic

1:16:06 ↗ tickets and last time I was here and

1:16:09 ↗ more important warnings

1:16:11 ↗ um the this thing with the body cams

1:16:13 ↗ right now we don't specifically track

1:16:14 ↗ the warnings people get as far as

1:16:16 ↗ officers

1:16:17 ↗ um what always that they're for we don't

1:16:19 ↗ always give that information on a when

1:16:22 ↗ they say I'm out on traffic they can say

1:16:24 ↗ oh clear with a warning

1:16:27 ↗ we they don't always run the name

1:16:28 ↗ necessarily they're not required to run

1:16:30 ↗ a name so we may not even have the race

1:16:32 ↗ of the person that we made the traffic

1:16:34 ↗ stop like on but um I went away we've

1:16:37 ↗ talked about it before and we've had a

1:16:39 ↗ congresswoman and Men ride with us and

1:16:41 ↗ the officers will say let's let's have a

1:16:44 ↗ um check this how many times have you

1:16:45 ↗ been in the back of a car and you can't

1:16:47 ↗ see the race or the person that's in

1:16:48 ↗ front of you or you can't see across the

1:16:50 ↗ way because the tinted windows trust an

1:16:53 ↗ intersection but I can see they don't

1:16:55 ↗ have a front plate I'm gonna turn around

1:16:56 ↗ I'm gonna stop that car doesn't mean I

1:16:58 ↗ could tell what the race of the person

1:17:00 ↗ was and I could just say I made contact

1:17:01 ↗ with them and say Hey you know you don't

1:17:03 ↗ have a front plate you know it's

1:17:04 ↗ required by state law

1:17:06 ↗ do you have a driver's license maybe

1:17:08 ↗ they do check their name or they don't

1:17:09 ↗ but there's some of those things and

1:17:11 ↗ then the body camps can also if you know

1:17:13 ↗ someone says oh they only stop me

1:17:15 ↗ because of this that body cam will show

1:17:17 ↗ that wasn't the case they couldn't even

1:17:18 ↗ tell that so that's more information

1:17:20 ↗ more data we'll be able to get which is

1:17:22 ↗ some of the questions you guys asked

1:17:23 ↗ that the last time I was here

1:17:25 ↗ um specifically on warnings how many

1:17:27 ↗ more warnings are given to different

1:17:28 ↗ races we don't really have that data

1:17:30 ↗ right now to be I am I'll be honest with

1:17:32 ↗ you we just don't because we don't

1:17:34 ↗ always put that in the call I'm not

1:17:36 ↗ always going to say go back to my car

1:17:37 ↗ and say well I let you off as a warning

1:17:39 ↗ now I'm going to try and figure out what

1:17:41 ↗ race you were to try and put that in the

1:17:42 ↗ call so I can track that that's not

1:17:44 ↗ something that we do right now

1:17:47 ↗ interesting

1:17:49 ↗ excellent

1:17:51 ↗ so the last one was by uh

1:17:54 ↗ gender this one is by more about race

1:17:57 ↗ this is traffic tickets themselves

1:18:00 ↗ um

1:18:02 ↗ you can see can you go back up one

1:18:04 ↗ please

1:18:05 ↗ um you can see that the unknown the

1:18:07 ↗ green is like the second highest it's

1:18:09 ↗ because

1:18:10 ↗ um in some of the cases because we don't

1:18:12 ↗ that's what the officers put if we're

1:18:14 ↗ not sure a lot of the officers just flat

1:18:16 ↗ output unknown because they don't want

1:18:18 ↗ to say it wrong either and then someone

1:18:19 ↗ get upset on a report because they put

1:18:22 ↗ the wrong ethnicity

1:18:26 ↗ by the way it's infractions to use for

1:18:29 ↗ traffic

1:18:30 ↗ citations traffic and then parking so

1:18:34 ↗ the difference in traffic and

1:18:36 ↗ infractions

1:18:37 ↗ and citations an infraction is like a

1:18:41 ↗ speeding ticket a parking or the parking

1:18:45 ↗ is separate but it is a infraction like

1:18:47 ↗ a red light

1:18:49 ↗ speeding pedestrian violation in other

1:18:52 ↗ words The Pedestrian didn't cross the

1:18:54 ↗ street all the way

1:18:56 ↗ um

1:18:57 ↗ anything related to being infraction

1:19:00 ↗ like I said a red light

1:19:02 ↗ um

1:19:05 ↗ anything basically a lot of the driving

1:19:07 ↗ ones unless it's criminal the citation

1:19:09 ↗ the CT means that it's a criminal charge

1:19:13 ↗ so the citation that's the difference in

1:19:15 ↗ infraction and citation citation is a

1:19:18 ↗ criminal charge which means DUI reckless

1:19:21 ↗ driving

1:19:22 ↗ um something you have to actually have

1:19:23 ↗ to go to court for versus paying a fine

1:19:27 ↗ so that's the difference in the two that

1:19:29 ↗ it could be a misdemean or a gross

1:19:30 ↗ misdemeanor which means a minimum of

1:19:32 ↗ three months to a year is a misdemeanor

1:19:35 ↗ which is a citation anything beyond that

1:19:37 ↗ would be felony and you wouldn't get a

1:19:38 ↗ ticket for it then you'd have to leave

1:19:40 ↗ go to have to go to court because it's a

1:19:42 ↗ felony and you have to see a judge so

1:19:44 ↗ they're familiar would you be arrested

1:19:47 ↗ majority yes but not every time

1:19:54 ↗ so let's say there's an example that

1:19:56 ↗ I know for a fact that there was a DV

1:19:59 ↗ that took place and then maybe

1:20:00 ↗ strangulation took it was a part of that

1:20:02 ↗ and you had left the scene I will

1:20:05 ↗ forward that to the court then I if you

1:20:08 ↗ turn yourself in later yes you will

1:20:09 ↗ eventually be arrested but the point is

1:20:11 ↗ you're not going to get a piece of paper

1:20:12 ↗ a piece of paper you'll get if you

1:20:15 ↗ committed a crime for a citation or for

1:20:17 ↗ an infraction felony yes you would go to

1:20:20 ↗ jail but if you're not there I can't

1:20:21 ↗ arrest you got it okay or maybe it's a

1:20:24 ↗ felony there's other felonies that maybe

1:20:26 ↗ you're in the hospital so I'm not going

1:20:27 ↗ to take you to jail right away so what

1:20:29 ↗ happens we either issue a want for your

1:20:30 ↗ arrest either someone sits on you we

1:20:33 ↗ have to check back because your injuries

1:20:35 ↗ are so egregious that I can't make

1:20:37 ↗ contact or take you to jail right now

1:20:39 ↗ lots of different reasons that you

1:20:41 ↗ wouldn't necessarily have a felony but

1:20:43 ↗ you still could be charged

1:20:44 ↗ or it could be a lot more investigatory

1:20:46 ↗ stuff has to take place to put the case

1:20:49 ↗ together and then a warrant goes out for

1:20:51 ↗ your arrest because we've put the case

1:20:52 ↗ together enough but now you can be

1:20:54 ↗ charged as well again that's not a piece

1:20:56 ↗ of paper you won't get a piece of paper

1:20:57 ↗ for those

1:21:01 ↗ um next slide thank you

1:21:03 ↗ these are by the types of arrests

1:21:06 ↗ but like you were talking about whether

1:21:08 ↗ they were taken in custody or the green

1:21:09 ↗ in other words we actually

1:21:12 ↗ physically said you're going to jail or

1:21:14 ↗ if there's a theft

1:21:16 ↗ we can go

1:21:18 ↗ um here's a piece of paper instead

1:21:21 ↗ um for whatever reason like for example

1:21:22 ↗ we had a gentleman the other day

1:21:24 ↗ um

1:21:25 ↗ we put them in handcuffs technically

1:21:27 ↗ he's arrested but we can cite and

1:21:29 ↗ release he had a bunch of open sores

1:21:31 ↗ because he had a procedure or whatever

1:21:33 ↗ we don't want him in our jail infecting

1:21:35 ↗ anybody else or have a bunch of major

1:21:37 ↗ medical might be a circumstance but

1:21:39 ↗ that's one luxury of having our own jail

1:21:41 ↗ is other jurisdictions that maybe people

1:21:45 ↗ um live in that you go to the grocery

1:21:47 ↗ store and they stole something they come

1:21:48 ↗ to our city sometimes and they're like

1:21:50 ↗ oh you're going to jail and they're like

1:21:51 ↗ what where's my piece of paper nope we

1:21:54 ↗ have a jail you're going to jail so they

1:21:56 ↗ think they can go to some other

1:21:57 ↗ communities and if they don't know

1:21:58 ↗ there's a jail there they don't realize

1:21:59 ↗ that we are happy to take you to jail

1:22:01 ↗ versus just giving you a piece of paper

1:22:03 ↗ so you can go to the next store and just

1:22:04 ↗ steal more stuff so that's the very nice

1:22:07 ↗ piece about having your own jail that's

1:22:10 ↗ one well that's one of the very nice

1:22:11 ↗ pieces there's multiple but that is one

1:22:13 ↗ for sure just

1:22:15 ↗ thinking

1:22:18 ↗ here's information by

1:22:20 ↗ arrested sex

1:22:23 ↗ how many more slides do we have

1:22:25 ↗ well there are 25 tools suppose I don't

1:22:27 ↗ know what side we're on

1:22:29 ↗ live after this oh yeah that's yeah

1:22:32 ↗ okay so let's go back

1:22:35 ↗ okay

1:22:36 ↗ nope go ahead forward I mean because

1:22:38 ↗ everybody has yeah the information was

1:22:40 ↗ in their packet

1:22:42 ↗ um go ahead again

1:22:44 ↗ so here's one these two I thought were

1:22:46 ↗ um important and I thought you guys

1:22:48 ↗ would want to if there were any

1:22:49 ↗ questions about these

1:22:52 ↗ these are hate crimes by the offender so

1:22:54 ↗ these are ones specifically so these are

1:22:57 ↗ when it's a hate crime it's an extra

1:22:58 ↗ charge

1:23:00 ↗ so if a theft's committed but it was

1:23:03 ↗ based on org property damages committed

1:23:05 ↗ and like they put something a racial

1:23:08 ↗ slur on there or a swastika or something

1:23:10 ↗ like that a vandalism takes place those

1:23:13 ↗ are hate crimes if something happens and

1:23:16 ↗ you're threatened and uh your race is

1:23:18 ↗ specifically mentioned or your gender or

1:23:22 ↗ any other type of demographic that is a

1:23:25 ↗ hate crime and that's a different charge

1:23:27 ↗ completely and so we work and we

1:23:30 ↗ document those differently because of

1:23:32 ↗ not only the actual charges

1:23:34 ↗ um more egregious and is higher than if

1:23:38 ↗ it was just a vandalism in and of itself

1:23:40 ↗ so if we do have somebody then those are

1:23:42 ↗ considered hate crimes

1:23:47 ↗ I have a question related to this so

1:23:50 ↗ I know these are

1:23:52 ↗ like more formal crimes that are

1:23:55 ↗ documented but you know when I'm

1:23:57 ↗ thinking about like name calling racial

1:24:00 ↗ slurs and things like that that might

1:24:02 ↗ happen

1:24:03 ↗ um that don't rise to the level of a

1:24:05 ↗ crime

1:24:06 ↗ is there a way to understand the

1:24:10 ↗ frequency of those types of incidences

1:24:13 ↗ are coming up versus the actual like the

1:24:16 ↗ ones that rise to level five so we are

1:24:19 ↗ encouraging and we do yes track that

1:24:21 ↗ because

1:24:22 ↗ um I was just at the Multicultural event

1:24:25 ↗ in Bellevue which had and we were part

1:24:28 ↗ of that and I was one of the Chiefs that

1:24:30 ↗ spoke at that and we highly encourage if

1:24:33 ↗ let's say you're at the mosque and

1:24:34 ↗ somebody has freedom of speech and

1:24:36 ↗ they're on the sidewalk but they're

1:24:37 ↗ burning one of your flags representing

1:24:39 ↗ you or if the slurs you're speaking of

1:24:41 ↗ we want that we want to be called we

1:24:42 ↗ want documentation of that there needs

1:24:44 ↗ to be that information out there so we

1:24:46 ↗ can see if there's a pattern we can also

1:24:47 ↗ connect people there's also the fusion

1:24:50 ↗ Center that documents and tracks a lot

1:24:52 ↗ of different people that have

1:24:54 ↗ circumstances like that there were some

1:24:56 ↗ stickers being plasted all over the

1:24:58 ↗ place that were like swastikas a couple

1:25:00 ↗ years back so yes we want those things

1:25:02 ↗ documented we want to have knowledge of

1:25:04 ↗ that whether it be in the schools

1:25:06 ↗ whether we be here in the community

1:25:07 ↗ whether it be in your neighborhood so we

1:25:10 ↗ can prevent we can have those

1:25:11 ↗ conversations because if it can be

1:25:12 ↗ connected later on then we had that

1:25:14 ↗ documentation but yes there is we do

1:25:16 ↗ encourage people still to let snow it

1:25:18 ↗ may not rise to the level of someone

1:25:20 ↗ being charged but that is important that

1:25:22 ↗ it's still documented because what if it

1:25:23 ↗ does escalate to that then it then you

1:25:25 ↗ need a documentation for sure so more

1:25:28 ↗ than documentation then do you keep

1:25:29 ↗ statistics on those lower level types of

1:25:32 ↗ events

1:25:34 ↗ um they're trackable so the thing is

1:25:37 ↗ that they are underreported they are

1:25:40 ↗ highly underreported and that is very

1:25:44 ↗ unfortunate because I think a lot of

1:25:46 ↗ people may feel

1:25:48 ↗ for multiple reasons maybe you know they

1:25:51 ↗ don't feel safe sharing the information

1:25:53 ↗ or they feel like oh well you know who's

1:25:55 ↗ going to care it's not running that sort

1:25:57 ↗ of a thing well it does matter and we've

1:26:00 ↗ seen an increase in that reporting

1:26:02 ↗ recently but the numbers are very very

1:26:04 ↗ low I mean just looking at her hatred

1:26:05 ↗ now yeah that event actually that Chief

1:26:10 ↗ mentioned there are multiple cities

1:26:12 ↗ there and they all presented the same

1:26:14 ↗ information and uh oh I'm sorry no no go

1:26:18 ↗ ahead while the Friendship real quick we

1:26:20 ↗ have some of the lowest numbers of

1:26:23 ↗ reported hate crimes but

1:26:27 ↗ it was not reported that is concerning

1:26:30 ↗ and so we want to really push the

1:26:32 ↗ community to engage with us and where we

1:26:36 ↗ have a lot of work I know that that's

1:26:38 ↗ something that is one of the goals of

1:26:41 ↗ the police department to you know really

1:26:44 ↗ work on engagement with the community

1:26:46 ↗ um and we're hoping that you know this

1:26:49 ↗ information sharing and partnership with

1:26:51 ↗ with your group will help to encourage

1:26:55 ↗ um you know more robust data reporting

1:26:57 ↗ from people who who feel safer to share

1:27:00 ↗ their storms with us because if they

1:27:02 ↗ said it to one person's likely they've

1:27:03 ↗ done it to another and they're wanting

1:27:05 ↗ to stop that and we want everybody in

1:27:07 ↗ our community to feel safe to be who

1:27:09 ↗ they are

1:27:11 ↗ so with with that in mind my question is

1:27:13 ↗ at this welcome event is there a booth

1:27:16 ↗ for the police or what is the

1:27:18 ↗ involvement of the police at the Welcome

1:27:19 ↗ Center

1:27:27 ↗ yes but we would love to but but we're

1:27:30 ↗ also we do plan on having people there

1:27:32 ↗ so it's we will have the you know Duty

1:27:34 ↗ Officers that we'll walk through but we

1:27:35 ↗ don't have a specific Booth currently

1:27:37 ↗ but it is something that can be there's

1:27:39 ↗ a city Booth but not specific Police

1:27:41 ↗ Department so we can certainly connect

1:27:43 ↗ 32 more days we can definitely make it

1:27:45 ↗ but I feel like that there's a

1:27:47 ↗ difference between police policing an

1:27:50 ↗ event versus being available at a booth

1:27:53 ↗ to answer questions like I would not go

1:27:56 ↗ up to you as you're patrolling because I

1:27:58 ↗ would be afraid just that's just me but

1:28:01 ↗ at a booth right like oh there's Ryan

1:28:04 ↗ she's actually not a police officer but

1:28:06 ↗ she has information that could be

1:28:07 ↗ beneficial so we had salmon days do we

1:28:09 ↗ do have a booth and we get about give

1:28:11 ↗ out all our fun toys so it brings people

1:28:13 ↗ in we have little cars paper cars so the

1:28:15 ↗ kids can make them and they want to go

1:28:16 ↗ with the fun stuff

1:28:18 ↗ um but that helps them engage too

1:28:19 ↗ because I'm there in uniform other

1:28:21 ↗ officers are there in uniform we want

1:28:23 ↗ them to come engage and ask a question

1:28:25 ↗ hey I have this question and so we do

1:28:27 ↗ get a lot of those

1:28:28 ↗ um so we do that at salmon days and we

1:28:30 ↗ have the national light out that just

1:28:31 ↗ happened

1:28:32 ↗ um so yeah that we had in August which

1:28:35 ↗ beginning in August it was all about

1:28:36 ↗ prevention

1:28:37 ↗ um we want the people to engage and ask

1:28:39 ↗ questions about how better and what they

1:28:41 ↗ can report and that information for sure

1:28:44 ↗ and we even offer a lot of our stuff as

1:28:46 ↗ in multiple languages too so we do

1:28:48 ↗ coloring books that are in Spanish and

1:28:49 ↗ in English

1:28:50 ↗ um we get a lot of that stuff and we

1:28:52 ↗ first like I said examine is at the

1:28:53 ↗ Boost I don't think I've gotten good

1:28:54 ↗ enough in two days but

1:28:56 ↗ um

1:29:03 ↗ I'm in multi-language stuff because it

1:29:06 ↗ goes fast and that stuff goes um very

1:29:09 ↗ quickly but yes

1:29:11 ↗ well

1:29:15 ↗ um there's any other slides that they

1:29:16 ↗ want to add questions on or anybody that

1:29:19 ↗ I think the last slide was just you know

1:29:21 ↗ the next steps

1:29:24 ↗ which you guys I think are probably

1:29:26 ↗ pretty familiar with um what were

1:29:29 ↗ our next stages in order

1:29:38 ↗ I'll just summarize it real quick

1:29:41 ↗ I interrupted your speech here

1:29:44 ↗ uh but we would love to hear and I

1:29:49 ↗ especially would love to hear any

1:29:51 ↗ questions you guys can have

1:29:54 ↗ um you know I will try to find the data

1:29:56 ↗ for whatever it is and if not we'll have

1:29:58 ↗ a discussion over why that is

1:30:00 ↗ um you know I think it's important to

1:30:02 ↗ get information out there to the public

1:30:04 ↗ to you know those so that we can create

1:30:08 ↗ evidence-based decisions

1:30:11 ↗ um and make changes in the community the

1:30:14 ↗ change we want to see so

1:30:17 ↗ um hopefully we'll get more you know the

1:30:19 ↗ other questions from you guys and then

1:30:20 ↗ we'll present the data back to bring it

1:30:23 ↗ back to you guys either normally wearing

1:30:25 ↗ an email

1:30:26 ↗ um I think there are plans for a

1:30:28 ↗ subcommittee

1:30:29 ↗ um and then we'll you know research what

1:30:32 ↗ data mechanisms uh are in place

1:30:34 ↗ elsewhere

1:30:36 ↗ and what might work best here as best

1:30:39 ↗ practices uh

1:30:41 ↗ what we can Implement here and then make

1:30:43 ↗ recommendations for that policy for

1:30:45 ↗ actions uh for the city so and if you

1:30:49 ↗ guys have like another topic that's

1:30:51 ↗ coming up let's say your next meeting

1:30:52 ↗ and there's an area where there's some

1:30:55 ↗ data that could be provided or helpful

1:30:57 ↗ you get a get a hold of Ryan in advance

1:30:59 ↗ then we can give you some information

1:31:01 ↗ that we're able if we have any if we can

1:31:04 ↗ be of any assistance on that that we

1:31:05 ↗ might have and we can use that and dale

1:31:08 ↗ dale also works with Ryan on a regular

1:31:11 ↗ basis so

1:31:12 ↗ um they are very fortunate that the CDA

1:31:15 ↗ must say I know about Ryan and Dale uh

1:31:18 ↗ they are the data queens and yeah we are

1:31:21 ↗ yeah we are very very fortunate I do

1:31:24 ↗ have a question before we end I noticed

1:31:26 ↗ that there were a lot of unknowns and I

1:31:28 ↗ know you guys can give it to us because

1:31:30 ↗ they're not putting it on the driver's

1:31:32 ↗ license

1:31:34 ↗ but it's hard not having such high end

1:31:37 ↗ numbers because in and I feel like it in

1:31:40 ↗ my experience in my work that has been

1:31:43 ↗ complicated because

1:31:46 ↗ we're not getting the full answer

1:31:49 ↗ um for it because very often the two or

1:31:52 ↗ more raised in our in my instance it

1:31:54 ↗ usually is still more racist is a person

1:31:56 ↗ of color

1:31:58 ↗ and is appearing in a certain way and it

1:32:03 ↗ is one of the reasons why there might be

1:32:05 ↗ implicit bias but

1:32:08 ↗ it's the way it falls it doesn't get

1:32:11 ↗ categorized in a certain way and so

1:32:14 ↗ it's it feels like excuse the numbers

1:32:17 ↗ and as two or more races is increasing

1:32:20 ↗ you know that that number is increasing

1:32:23 ↗ it's also changing our results and so it

1:32:27 ↗ doesn't look

1:32:28 ↗ as bad for certain other races and so I

1:32:33 ↗ I am I am For Me Myself and just looking

1:32:38 ↗ at numbers I'm very curious as to what

1:32:40 ↗ that unknown means and while I get that

1:32:43 ↗ the driver's license has it because some

1:32:46 ↗ people of mixed race they don't know how

1:32:48 ↗ to answer the question honestly you know

1:32:50 ↗ so I get like the data collection is

1:32:53 ↗ very complex and identifying who you are

1:32:55 ↗ you know ethnicity wise is can be

1:32:59 ↗ complex and the state questions are

1:33:01 ↗ ridiculous on Saleem at most times so

1:33:03 ↗ how how do we get beta better data

1:33:06 ↗ because if our answer and if our data

1:33:09 ↗ collection is to to look at implicit

1:33:12 ↗ bias which is usually based on skin

1:33:14 ↗ color and appearance and yet we're

1:33:16 ↗ saying this is unknown because they

1:33:18 ↗ didn't mark a box out then the data is

1:33:20 ↗ not complete and then analysis is

1:33:23 ↗ inaccurate because when we're seeing a

1:33:25 ↗ big piece yes I will say that there is a

1:33:30 ↗ lot of data cleaning

1:33:31 ↗ um on going on internally on our end and

1:33:34 ↗ we also have a little bit of freedom to

1:33:37 ↗ you know restructure uh the data and

1:33:41 ↗ work with the officers on training them

1:33:44 ↗ and just having those discussions of if

1:33:46 ↗ you can get information let's try to do

1:33:48 ↗ that because it only it only strengthens

1:33:51 ↗ what we know about the community that

1:33:54 ↗ sort of a thing so there is more work

1:33:55 ↗ that needs to be done and that's

1:33:57 ↗ something that is actually

1:33:59 ↗ presently being worked on by me in the

1:34:03 ↗ department right now and so I I

1:34:06 ↗ completely understand because those are

1:34:07 ↗ valid concerns

1:34:09 ↗ only in some of them

1:34:11 ↗ um especially with the tickets do you

1:34:14 ↗ see unknowns

1:34:16 ↗ not everyone already see that in fact

1:34:18 ↗ with our jail we have the option for

1:34:22 ↗ um two or more races and you know to

1:34:24 ↗ really tease out the difference we even

1:34:26 ↗ for ethnicity we'll pull out and look at

1:34:29 ↗ okay do you identify as white and

1:34:32 ↗ Hispanic Black and Hispanic I mean

1:34:35 ↗ because there are many different

1:34:36 ↗ combinations

1:34:37 ↗ so

1:34:39 ↗ um you know and that is not something

1:34:40 ↗ that you see all the time elsewhere so

1:34:42 ↗ we're definitely definitely working on

1:34:46 ↗ you know moving in the right direction

1:34:48 ↗ and we're very fortunate that we can do

1:34:49 ↗ that with our jail it's easier in the

1:34:52 ↗ jail

1:34:52 ↗ than it is out in the community and a

1:34:56 ↗ lot of times it's easier for the jail

1:34:58 ↗ and Corrections because

1:35:00 ↗ a lot more of the people that they are

1:35:01 ↗ in contact with are either sober or more

1:35:05 ↗ Cooperative because they're actually

1:35:06 ↗ they're caretakers instead of the people

1:35:08 ↗ like the officers that brought them

1:35:10 ↗ there

1:35:11 ↗ so that's another piece that's a little

1:35:13 ↗ bit different because quite often even

1:35:15 ↗ if the next day they're not as mad as

1:35:17 ↗ the officer that brought them in that's

1:35:18 ↗ their initial contact with them and so

1:35:21 ↗ that's oftentimes sometimes we'll get

1:35:22 ↗ the unknown whereas

1:35:24 ↗ when it's calmed down sobered up lots of

1:35:27 ↗ different things they've come to

1:35:29 ↗ realization they've got some assistance

1:35:32 ↗ with some things whatever they're a

1:35:34 ↗ little bit more cooperative and willing

1:35:36 ↗ to give some of that answers so

1:35:38 ↗ sometimes then our answer is we might

1:35:39 ↗ not have those answers but maybe then

1:35:41 ↗ the behavioral health people have a

1:35:44 ↗ better opportunity to get those

1:35:45 ↗ information and have better data than we

1:35:47 ↗ did and so hopefully maybe that's a way

1:35:49 ↗ we can collaborate because they do come

1:35:51 ↗ in contact with a lot of people as far

1:35:53 ↗ as that we have in our jail and that

1:35:55 ↗ maybe they're able to get more of that

1:35:57 ↗ data and then we can make sure we have

1:35:58 ↗ that listed properly in our system so

1:36:01 ↗ that is one Gap that we can help to

1:36:03 ↗ abridge

1:36:05 ↗ um because even to a more racist

1:36:07 ↗ sometimes is

1:36:09 ↗ doesn't give good data because Asian and

1:36:12 ↗ white is very different when it comes to

1:36:15 ↗ looking at buys sometimes versus let's

1:36:18 ↗ say black and white based on percentage

1:36:21 ↗ and all of that so those two groups yes

1:36:24 ↗ how you present and what and there's

1:36:26 ↗ where the bias comes in right and so

1:36:28 ↗ that's where I struggle even in data

1:36:30 ↗ that I see in my work with two or more

1:36:33 ↗ races because that number is going up

1:36:34 ↗ and I'm like yeah but that means nothing

1:36:36 ↗ to me right so how do I if I'm looking

1:36:39 ↗ at bias and I'm doing biased training

1:36:41 ↗ how do I make meaning and it's meaning

1:36:43 ↗ making right because we're trying to

1:36:45 ↗ reduce implicit bias but then numbers

1:36:47 ↗ get hidden within our data 100 and then

1:36:50 ↗ there's the other factor of like you

1:36:52 ↗ said it's very difficult for people that

1:36:53 ↗ are up to races played in the place they

1:36:55 ↗ don't want to pick a side yeah I mean

1:36:57 ↗ they don't want to pick a side and then

1:36:59 ↗ because then how will they be viewed

1:37:00 ↗ because they have their own bias about

1:37:01 ↗ both too and I I have friends that are

1:37:04 ↗ like I don't know always what to say and

1:37:06 ↗ it should they I've had friends that

1:37:08 ↗ flat out said

1:37:09 ↗ depends on the group that I'm in front

1:37:11 ↗ of if it makes a difference

1:37:14 ↗ so it's very

1:37:15 ↗ yeah I wish it was

1:37:18 ↗ easier

1:37:20 ↗ so I'm sensing a lot of energy from our

1:37:23 ↗ group so everyone that subcommittee item

1:37:26 ↗ on the slide when when is that

1:37:28 ↗ subcommittee into foreign

1:37:34 ↗ well that's in process we don't have a

1:37:37 ↗ timeline set for that but I know that

1:37:40 ↗ that was something on

1:37:43 ↗ um the books

1:37:48 ↗ I know you're looking at me and I'm like

1:38:00 ↗ and we're and we're open to different

1:38:02 ↗ ideas yeah if you find something in your

1:38:05 ↗ work then you're able to come up with

1:38:07 ↗ the as far as Solutions on that factor

1:38:09 ↗ we are open to figuring that out seeing

1:38:11 ↗ what our computer systems are able to to

1:38:13 ↗ do as far as provide for those things

1:38:16 ↗ um not just being too racist but

1:38:17 ↗ literally what they you know what the

1:38:19 ↗ options are of the races

1:38:21 ↗ um especially in our jail

1:38:23 ↗ um things like that too so we're open to

1:38:25 ↗ those different I don't have a man so I

1:38:27 ↗ was hoping the old kid because that's

1:38:28 ↗ what I would like yeah

1:38:32 ↗ so three quick questions one on data and

1:38:34 ↗ then two on the body cam so on the data

1:38:36 ↗ side you mentioned Ryan that um

1:38:39 ↗ well first of all let me make a comment

1:38:41 ↗ that I really like the slide that was on

1:38:44 ↗ um how um hatred is being um taking a

1:38:47 ↗ look at as far as data so it's nice to

1:38:49 ↗ see that that has gone down the um since

1:38:51 ↗ 2018 I think there were six incidents in

1:38:54 ↗ 2018 and then I think zero started in

1:38:57 ↗ 2021 from now on but you mentioned that

1:38:59 ↗ some things that aren't necessarily

1:39:01 ↗ crimes are underreported is that

1:39:03 ↗ anecdotal evidence or is that really

1:39:06 ↗ just basically opinion like feeling that

1:39:09 ↗ it's unimportant

1:39:10 ↗ know a little bit of both okay honestly

1:39:13 ↗ okay

1:39:14 ↗ um you know we have had calls where

1:39:16 ↗ people mention that they've had

1:39:18 ↗ experiences in the past and they didn't

1:39:21 ↗ report it

1:39:22 ↗ well now you know if that's anything

1:39:24 ↗ right exactly but it could have become

1:39:27 ↗ you know actual data right I also think

1:39:30 ↗ that that would be an underreported in

1:39:32 ↗ any way even from my own personal

1:39:34 ↗ experience I have had similar

1:39:36 ↗ experiences in the past you know being

1:39:38 ↗ I'm actually too racist I'm I'm quite

1:39:42 ↗ nice actually more than two races but

1:39:44 ↗ mainly the hair over there majorities

1:39:46 ↗ too again it's complicated

1:39:55 ↗ they're like using labels but you know

1:39:58 ↗ it I I didn't report them and you know I

1:40:03 ↗ think that you know especially this is a

1:40:05 ↗ larger conversation it'll end up going

1:40:07 ↗ down a crazy Wormhole so I don't want to

1:40:10 ↗ go too far into it but I do believe that

1:40:12 ↗ yes there's there's something thank you

1:40:15 ↗ very personally um did you have more

1:40:18 ↗ questions

1:40:19 ↗ yes so from a body cam perspective Chief

1:40:22 ↗ how are your officers taking this what

1:40:26 ↗ are they what are their thoughts they're

1:40:28 ↗ all for all of them I haven't had a

1:40:30 ↗ single one that says they don't want I

1:40:33 ↗ have some officers of transfer rate from

1:40:34 ↗ agencies that were

1:40:36 ↗ um experienced officers that had body

1:40:38 ↗ cams and they oh they say in a heartbeat

1:40:41 ↗ because almost every time that someone

1:40:43 ↗ made a complaint they were either

1:40:45 ↗ exonerated or it was brought to light

1:40:47 ↗ the version wasn't exactly how it was

1:40:50 ↗ because people didn't know that it was

1:40:51 ↗ all documented or on camera or

1:40:54 ↗ um it was but they're like and either

1:40:56 ↗ way I think because if I did something

1:40:57 ↗ wrong he goes it's right there and it it

1:40:59 ↗ just also being on administrative leave

1:41:01 ↗ for an extended period of time and not

1:41:03 ↗ really knowing and all this stuff where

1:41:04 ↗ this is just it's right there

1:41:06 ↗ and can be addressed immediately so we

1:41:08 ↗ haven't had anybody the whole um Union

1:41:10 ↗ is is on board for it they're like yeah

1:41:12 ↗ because we brought it up already to say

1:41:14 ↗ it's forthcoming that we're going to be

1:41:15 ↗ getting these before we started our

1:41:16 ↗ research and we haven't of course they

1:41:18 ↗ want to see the policy

1:41:20 ↗ um for all the little pieces of it but

1:41:21 ↗ yeah they're they're all for it they

1:41:23 ↗ they're on board they want

1:41:25 ↗ they they don't have anything to hide

1:41:26 ↗ they're like yep no problem you have we

1:41:29 ↗ have a lot of good cops here

1:41:31 ↗ um you know and I'm that's we're blessed

1:41:33 ↗ that way we are and it's not the case

1:41:35 ↗ everywhere and so I'm very we are very

1:41:37 ↗ blessed to start that yeah that's a huge

1:41:39 ↗ blessing yeah now in terms of let's say

1:41:42 ↗ the body cams exactly is it pretty much

1:41:44 ↗ State mandated the manufacturer you have

1:41:47 ↗ to use because it was oh it's not so you

1:41:49 ↗ have a choice of some of the newer ones

1:41:51 ↗ where AI there's like maybe AI would

1:41:53 ↗ actually have a camera turn on if it

1:41:56 ↗ hears something let's say a gunshot

1:41:57 ↗ Captain officer forgot to turn it on and

1:42:00 ↗ here's a gunshot oh camera comes on

1:42:02 ↗ period or so you have some options to

1:42:05 ↗ kind of take a look at some of those

1:42:06 ↗ things we have a different technology

1:42:08 ↗ axon's been the biggest one and we did

1:42:10 ↗ we did look at them guard and several

1:42:12 ↗ other

1:42:13 ↗ s John has been doing for so long is

1:42:15 ↗ with those a lot of those different

1:42:16 ↗ circumstances that have happened in the

1:42:18 ↗ last couple of years than case laws that

1:42:20 ↗ have taken place and so they knew all

1:42:23 ↗ the ins and outs they have all the bells

1:42:24 ↗ and whistles there on the Forefront of

1:42:27 ↗ all that technology

1:42:29 ↗ um and so it's just a matter what

1:42:30 ↗ version you get and we're trying to

1:42:32 ↗ we're pushing for that top version

1:42:34 ↗ um and so yeah there is that option that

1:42:36 ↗ we get you get to choose there's no

1:42:38 ↗ State mandate and there's no any type of

1:42:40 ↗ mandate that we even have to have them

1:42:41 ↗ it's just it's better and majority of

1:42:45 ↗ agencies are using them and if you're

1:42:46 ↗ the only one that isn't also people like

1:42:47 ↗ what are you hiding and we don't have

1:42:49 ↗ anything to hide it's just it costs a

1:42:51 ↗ lot of money and so that's the bigger

1:42:53 ↗ reason that it's been a little bit

1:42:54 ↗ delayed for our department because it's

1:42:56 ↗ expensive it is very expensive to have

1:42:59 ↗ every single one of those officers

1:43:00 ↗ wearing cameras but if it saves on one

1:43:03 ↗ lawsuit too yeah it pays for itself and

1:43:06 ↗ that one lawsuit especially or if I have

1:43:09 ↗ to get rid of one a bad officer right

1:43:10 ↗ especially if in some states where maybe

1:43:12 ↗ from a technological standpoint where

1:43:14 ↗ the camera can recognize by drama baton

1:43:17 ↗ or I draw my Taser it and I forgot to

1:43:19 ↗ turn it on not because I'm trying to be

1:43:21 ↗ a jerk or anything like that or trying

1:43:22 ↗ to be you know being a bad guy I just

1:43:25 ↗ forgot to turn it on so if I draw a

1:43:27 ↗ weapon where they're being less than

1:43:28 ↗ lethal or a Lethal Weapon it just camera

1:43:31 ↗ will turn on no matter what or you have

1:43:33 ↗ to you have to draw it because you're in

1:43:35 ↗ a life situation someone's shooting at

1:43:36 ↗ me I just have to cry wait a minute

1:43:38 ↗ right exactly because I forgot like so

1:43:41 ↗ well and that's why also there's a

1:43:43 ↗ minute or two down the road where it is

1:43:44 ↗ yeah you know it tracks back a minute or

1:43:48 ↗ two as well now what about from over I'm

1:43:50 ↗ sorry another question uh from a

1:43:52 ↗ reporting standpoint so let's say I'll

1:43:53 ↗ report to you I'm one of your officers

1:43:55 ↗ and I'm writing my report I won't I

1:43:57 ↗ don't remember stopping Ray I don't

1:44:00 ↗ remember exactly what occurred when I

1:44:01 ↗ stopped right and I want to look at that

1:44:03 ↗ that footage I wouldn't be able to do so

1:44:05 ↗ but let's say does it have a least upon

1:44:07 ↗ the military

1:44:08 ↗ um nuclear approval to delete something

1:44:11 ↗ meaning that let's say for whatever

1:44:12 ↗ reason no one can do it only you can or

1:44:15 ↗ you can't even delete it no they have to

1:44:17 ↗ go through there are certain steps and

1:44:18 ↗ circumstances for our records division

1:44:20 ↗ or anybody to delete anything

1:44:23 ↗ they can redact in other words cover

1:44:25 ↗ faces or certain parts of something that

1:44:28 ↗ is for a court case that is necessary

1:44:30 ↗ but that's still not deleted it's just

1:44:32 ↗ not released but you can't delete unless

1:44:35 ↗ it's like statute of limitations a

1:44:37 ↗ certain period of time you'll have to

1:44:38 ↗ hold on to those that way the cloud was

1:44:40 ↗ such a big deal when we had those

1:44:42 ↗ questions but nobody will have the

1:44:43 ↗ ability to alter or delete any type of

1:44:46 ↗ those but yes and there's also

1:44:47 ↗ circumstances in there report that you

1:44:50 ↗ can't

1:44:51 ↗ look at it if it's certain types of

1:44:54 ↗ cases so if it's a traffic stop as

1:44:55 ↗ you're saying and Ray was stopped and I

1:44:57 ↗ want to remember that and it was a DUI

1:44:59 ↗ and which Step specifically did he step

1:45:01 ↗ offline with or whatever I can look at

1:45:03 ↗ that if I'm in an officer-involved

1:45:05 ↗ shooting

1:45:06 ↗ and you are not you have to do your

1:45:08 ↗ report first

1:45:10 ↗ before you can look at the video and

1:45:12 ↗ then you can go back and say

1:45:14 ↗ in looking in and reviewing the video

1:45:16 ↗ because you have tunnel vision of what

1:45:17 ↗ you saw I want to know what you remember

1:45:18 ↗ I want to know what you saw and remember

1:45:20 ↗ so you have to do your report before

1:45:22 ↗ you're allowed to see that so there's

1:45:24 ↗ certain circumstances that and there are

1:45:26 ↗ Protections in place and that's that's

1:45:28 ↗ why those are put in place

1:45:30 ↗ so we're running out of time and I want

1:45:33 ↗ to respect everyone's time I know

1:45:34 ↗ karthik's got the last question and then

1:45:36 ↗ we'll jump into the next agenda item

1:45:39 ↗ thank you yeah I know we're I'm running

1:45:42 ↗ out of time but yeah quick question

1:45:43 ↗ maybe a follow-on from the last one was

1:45:46 ↗ um are there recognition systems on

1:45:48 ↗ these body cams like face or speech

1:45:52 ↗ recognition No in fact that's in the

1:45:55 ↗ policy it's addressed that way

1:45:57 ↗ um that they are not allowed I have to

1:45:59 ↗ find the exact section

1:46:01 ↗ um but there is specifically something

1:46:02 ↗ in there on using

1:46:05 ↗ um the recognition

1:46:07 ↗ unless under certain circumstances or

1:46:09 ↗ approval it was uh

1:46:13 ↗ if specifically addressed in here I can

1:46:16 ↗ um print that out specifically and where

1:46:18 ↗ that's listed in there and send it to

1:46:19 ↗ Monica but I know because I I'm the one

1:46:22 ↗ that put all this available in the draft

1:46:23 ↗ mode this is a draft that they've insist

1:46:25 ↗ dropped on there at the bottom just so

1:46:26 ↗ everybody knows but it is um it was

1:46:29 ↗ addressed in there specifically about

1:46:31 ↗ record voice or um facial recognition

1:46:35 ↗ um because that we're just not there

1:46:37 ↗ quite yet

1:46:39 ↗ um

1:46:40 ↗ so that yeah that is a piece that has

1:46:42 ↗ not been implemented and it is addressed

1:46:43 ↗ as far as not being legally used

1:46:46 ↗ got it thank you

1:46:50 ↗ what are the next

1:46:52 ↗ in terms of

1:46:54 ↗ time frame

1:46:57 ↗ and board member get back with you if

1:47:00 ↗ they go home and read in more details

1:47:03 ↗ until when do they have time to get with

1:47:06 ↗ you and provide comments should should I

1:47:08 ↗ just gather all the comments and then

1:47:10 ↗ send them your way or should what's

1:47:12 ↗ what's the process how do you want to

1:47:14 ↗ hear additional feedback excellent

1:47:16 ↗ question

1:47:17 ↗ um I think it probably easiest if they

1:47:21 ↗ gave them to you and you collectively

1:47:23 ↗ put them all

1:47:25 ↗ um to me that might be the easiest way

1:47:27 ↗ to go about that

1:47:29 ↗ um I would say you know it's the first

1:47:31 ↗ part of September we're trying to like I

1:47:33 ↗ said implement the pilot program but I I

1:47:35 ↗ want to be reasonable you know

1:47:38 ↗ um I I think it would is two weeks

1:47:40 ↗ reasonable

1:47:41 ↗ have that information back to you

1:47:45 ↗ and so what we're looking for is not

1:47:47 ↗ just

1:47:48 ↗ I want to know ideas in here on things

1:47:51 ↗ that you have questions about

1:47:52 ↗ that I can answer but I also want you

1:47:55 ↗ know recommendations I can't guarantee

1:47:57 ↗ you that'll they'll go in there but I

1:47:58 ↗ want the recommendations and feedback

1:48:00 ↗ and I can show yeah that makes sense or

1:48:02 ↗ it's addressed in this section or that's

1:48:04 ↗ what this section is referring to

1:48:07 ↗ um and I can give you that or and then

1:48:10 ↗ when I because I'm gonna I want that ear

1:48:12 ↗ for information before I give it to the

1:48:13 ↗ guilds the unions

1:48:15 ↗ because that way I can say

1:48:17 ↗ this is what we presented these are the

1:48:19 ↗ pieces that the equity board also

1:48:21 ↗ brought forth

1:48:22 ↗ um and that way we can present that as a

1:48:24 ↗ as a unified

1:48:26 ↗ um one group in form instead of it being

1:48:29 ↗ piecemeal or oh by the way and then oh

1:48:31 ↗ yeah we changed this and I'd rather get

1:48:33 ↗ your guys's input that's why you measure

1:48:35 ↗ you guys were first

1:48:42 ↗ um if you have your question um feel

1:48:44 ↗ free for Ryan or I you're more than

1:48:46 ↗ welcome to shoot me an email I'm happy

1:48:48 ↗ to answer it give me a call go to coffee

1:48:50 ↗ mine's really fast actually I just want

1:48:53 ↗ to clarify like if someone experiences

1:48:56 ↗ something that's not a crime but they

1:48:58 ↗ believe it's a racial

1:49:00 ↗ motivated incident with a neighbor or

1:49:03 ↗ whatever they can call 9-1-1 and say

1:49:06 ↗ this has happened and it will be

1:49:08 ↗ recorded is that correct yeah 911 is a

1:49:11 ↗ recorded line regardless okay thank you

1:49:12 ↗ and not only that is the odd even if the

1:49:15 ↗ dispatcher says we're not going to send

1:49:16 ↗ somebody but we're not gonna have

1:49:17 ↗ somebody call you typically we do and we

1:49:20 ↗ want it to be documented so we'll put

1:49:22 ↗ your name and information if you want to

1:49:24 ↗ get it and or the neighbor and or their

1:49:26 ↗ information if you have it to know that

1:49:28 ↗ there's been that altercation because

1:49:30 ↗ God forbid something happens to you the

1:49:31 ↗ next day or a week down the road or a

1:49:34 ↗ month down the road and it's found some

1:49:37 ↗ sort of racial motivation but we have

1:49:39 ↗ that documentation that something

1:49:40 ↗ happened it's for your protection it's

1:49:41 ↗ no different than if there's domestic

1:49:43 ↗ violence situation that's happening in a

1:49:45 ↗ relationship and there's no

1:49:46 ↗ documentation of it if it didn't wasn't

1:49:48 ↗ reported or written down it never

1:49:49 ↗ happened

1:49:50 ↗ and so we want that we want people to

1:49:52 ↗ know like you said there's a neighbor

1:49:54 ↗ goes oh yeah can you believe that

1:49:55 ↗ happened I just can't believe I saw that

1:49:56 ↗ you need to report that so encourage the

1:49:59 ↗ people that you know are around that

1:50:00 ↗ don't say yeah that's terrible I can't

1:50:02 ↗ believe they did that no you can even

1:50:04 ↗ call for them

1:50:06 ↗ as a witness to say I want it to be

1:50:08 ↗ known they may not want to be a victim

1:50:10 ↗ they may not call you themselves but you

1:50:12 ↗ need to know this took place and I heard

1:50:13 ↗ this racial slurs that happened or this

1:50:16 ↗ derogatory comment toward their gender

1:50:19 ↗ or whatever that is

1:50:21 ↗ thank you because I really believe that

1:50:24 ↗ up until now am I wrong in saying this

1:50:27 ↗ until now this is the first time I've

1:50:28 ↗ heard that this is actually something

1:50:30 ↗ that's collected and that we should be

1:50:32 ↗ reporting like I feel like previous it's

1:50:35 ↗ like well where does it get collected

1:50:37 ↗ and we didn't know where it got

1:50:38 ↗ collected yeah no if you call 911

1:50:40 ↗ recorded line

1:50:42 ↗ and that's saved and then what happens

1:50:44 ↗ is it's specifically safe for a certain

1:50:46 ↗ period of time but if you know that it

1:50:48 ↗ took place and the officer did they can

1:50:50 ↗ also go back and put that recording

1:50:51 ↗ attached to the report

1:50:53 ↗ they also document even if it's just an

1:50:55 ↗ information report the point is there

1:50:57 ↗ was racial information that went on and

1:50:59 ↗ that is

1:51:01 ↗ and it could just be an information I go

1:51:04 ↗ through and agreed

1:51:06 ↗ every single case it takes a long time

1:51:09 ↗ but I read every student you know space

1:51:11 ↗ every week to make sure that we're not

1:51:14 ↗ missing anything and so whether or not

1:51:17 ↗ the officers are able to you know go

1:51:19 ↗ after everything I'm looking for

1:51:21 ↗ patterns to see is there something going

1:51:24 ↗ on even behaviorally in an area and is

1:51:28 ↗ there something and maybe it isn't

1:51:31 ↗ something that the police department

1:51:32 ↗ themselves can handle it might be a

1:51:35 ↗ larger societal thing but until it's

1:51:38 ↗ documented and we have those

1:51:40 ↗ conversations nothing's going to happen

1:51:42 ↗ well and just so you know even though

1:51:44 ↗ you reported 9-1-1 it's recorded they're

1:51:46 ↗ going to type in exactly what you said

1:51:48 ↗ on that call

1:51:49 ↗ so she can also go in and just I've

1:51:51 ↗ listed the calls so let's say the

1:51:53 ↗ officer didn't write a report even it's

1:51:55 ↗ still in the calls everything you've

1:51:56 ↗ said and reported and it's recorded on

1:51:58 ↗ 9-1-1 so she can review the call notes

1:52:00 ↗ because they dispatchers type in what

1:52:03 ↗ you're saying no matter what

1:52:05 ↗ so a call is created whether the

1:52:07 ↗ dispatch or the officer makes a report

1:52:09 ↗ or not

1:52:10 ↗ your information is still put in there

1:52:12 ↗ that what you said is being reported and

1:52:15 ↗ it's sent if it's especially if it's a

1:52:17 ↗ racially motivated statement threat

1:52:21 ↗ anything like that all right yeah oh

1:52:24 ↗ yeah yeah

1:52:27 ↗ everything thank you thank you for

1:52:29 ↗ taking the time

1:52:31 ↗ thank you so much sorry we went over

1:52:34 ↗ yeah thank you so much

1:52:38 ↗ for your providing data and update and

1:52:42 ↗ giving us an opportunity to review the

1:52:44 ↗ bodyboard camera policy we'll send uh

1:52:47 ↗ individually send feedback uh and

1:52:50 ↗ questions to Monica

1:52:53 ↗ within two weeks and that's on the body

1:52:55 ↗ cam if anybody has any other questions

1:52:57 ↗ you guys weren't here in person but if

1:53:00 ↗ you guys have any questions or you're in

1:53:02 ↗ the city always happy to meet with

1:53:04 ↗ people

1:53:05 ↗ um you know shoot me an email call me on

1:53:07 ↗ the phone

1:53:08 ↗ always available

1:53:10 ↗ yeah perfect

1:53:11 ↗ don't be strangers

1:53:12 ↗ and one of the things that I already

1:53:14 ↗ reminded when we go to visit is that

1:53:17 ↗ officers are always interested in uh

1:53:19 ↗ ride-along so if you're ever interested

1:53:21 ↗ in riding along I think that'll be

1:53:23 ↗ available right because here your

1:53:26 ↗ officers were that if that's not I'm

1:53:27 ↗ sorry no so uh the right line yes you

1:53:31 ↗ can because you're on the equity board

1:53:32 ↗ so you need to not don't just call and

1:53:34 ↗ say hey I want to go on a ride along

1:53:36 ↗ um because we it's either someone that's

1:53:38 ↗ applied for a job with us or because

1:53:41 ↗ you're on the city's Equity board you're

1:53:43 ↗ welcome to because you're considered

1:53:44 ↗ part of the community as far as the

1:53:46 ↗ staff and your our group and so yes so

1:53:49 ↗ we do have to we have you fill out

1:53:51 ↗ something because we can't not that you

1:53:52 ↗ would be on the board if you had all

1:53:54 ↗ this extensive background but we do have

1:53:56 ↗ to have you fill out the forms we do it

1:53:57 ↗ for our Council and for everybody else

1:53:59 ↗ um so we do the ride-along form and we

1:54:02 ↗ send you an email if you call you can

1:54:03 ↗ connect with me or whoever maximum we do

1:54:06 ↗ is four hours you can do them night or

1:54:08 ↗ day

1:54:09 ↗ um we just have to have staff to do it

1:54:12 ↗ sometimes if they're trained there's

1:54:13 ↗ already two in the car you don't want to

1:54:14 ↗ ride in the back I promise you

1:54:16 ↗ we will let you know

1:54:25 ↗ and see what we do

1:54:49 ↗ thanks again

1:54:51 ↗ um I think we have each

1:54:54 ↗ next time what about for those children

1:55:03 ↗ thank you

1:55:07 ↗ so I think uh keeping it very brief for

1:55:09 ↗ staff report I just wanted to talk with

1:55:11 ↗ all of you a little bit about weapon of

1:55:13 ↗ the week

1:55:14 ↗ so we are excited Friday it's it's

1:55:19 ↗ welcoming week

1:55:21 ↗ it's from 5 00 pm to 8 P.M right here

1:55:24 ↗ behind me and the lawn at the community

1:55:26 ↗ center

1:55:31 ↗ the weather is cooperating yes we had

1:55:34 ↗ plans if needed to transition indoor but

1:55:37 ↗ it's all outdoor so it's still eight

1:55:39 ↗ o'clock and eight o'clock is

1:55:41 ↗ look now fairly dark so are we are going

1:55:46 ↗ to be lights on for

1:55:48 ↗ eign

1:55:50 ↗ [Music]

1:56:08 ↗ afterwards but we are looking for yes

1:56:11 ↗ please spread the word please bring

1:56:13 ↗ friends please come uh and also if you

1:56:15 ↗ have time and availability we would love

1:56:18 ↗ if anyone is interesting about hearing

1:56:22 ↗ um I can send up the link to sign up

1:56:25 ↗ there are a lot of different volunteer

1:56:27 ↗ opportunities uh including setup and

1:56:30 ↗ breakdown setup starts at 1 2 pm uh

1:56:34 ↗ there's you can come and start at 4 pm

1:56:37 ↗ you can just start and come to the event

1:56:39 ↗ as Equity board members if you would

1:56:41 ↗ like to wear your badge we'll make sure

1:56:42 ↗ that we'll introduce you we do have a

1:56:45 ↗ city Booth

1:56:46 ↗ um and so then then you have the

1:56:48 ↗ opportunity to be there and meet with

1:56:50 ↗ the public there or just as you walk

1:56:51 ↗ around if you have your name tag on

1:56:56 ↗ um

1:56:59 ↗ each year we have now a tradition

1:57:02 ↗ welcoming week I was I was

1:57:04 ↗ um reflecting a little bit on the

1:57:06 ↗ cultural events that we've been doing

1:57:08 ↗ for the last couple of years welcoming

1:57:10 ↗ week uh is the one that um is now

1:57:13 ↗ building tradition and has been uh

1:57:16 ↗ organized for the longest time I've been

1:57:18 ↗ here with the city for five years and

1:57:19 ↗ when I came that's when we welcoming

1:57:22 ↗ week was already happening in the

1:57:24 ↗ community and a smaller scale uh with

1:57:27 ↗ partnering with the library so it was

1:57:29 ↗ happening at the library and so when I

1:57:31 ↗ came here then we brought it in at City

1:57:35 ↗ facilities for the first time so we are

1:57:37 ↗ now in the fifth year we had to cancel

1:57:40 ↗ it once during covet but as it's growing

1:57:42 ↗ in popularity in this we build tradition

1:57:45 ↗ we hope to make it bigger and better

1:57:48 ↗ each year so

1:57:50 ↗ um please join

1:57:52 ↗ um please consider volunteering

1:57:55 ↗ um

1:57:56 ↗ you're gonna be of course food a lot of

1:57:58 ↗ great music dances there's even gonna be

1:58:01 ↗ an African show this time which is which

1:58:03 ↗ is new compared to previous years it's

1:58:05 ↗ going to be a lot of ton more activities

1:58:07 ↗ for children including bouncy house so

1:58:09 ↗ it should be fun for all ages and we

1:58:13 ↗ have a long list of organizations that

1:58:16 ↗ are going to be participating at the at

1:58:18 ↗ the resource Fair we have almost 40

1:58:21 ↗ organizations participating in City

1:58:23 ↗ Departments of so

1:58:26 ↗ um shouldn't be fun and is there a paper

1:58:28 ↗ organizations to get a booth no all free

1:58:32 ↗ we do not yes it's about welcoming and

1:58:35 ↗ including everyone the only thing that

1:58:37 ↗ we did not work it's the food trucks but

1:58:40 ↗ there will be some free food as well so

1:58:43 ↗ not

1:58:44 ↗ yeah but yes

1:58:47 ↗ yeah I've participated in the past with

1:58:50 ↗ the the setup and I think maybe even the

1:58:53 ↗ takedown

1:58:54 ↗ um and I I want to encourage people if

1:58:56 ↗ you're able to do it simply because you

1:58:59 ↗ are able to communicate with people on a

1:59:01 ↗ very equal basis right so you're not

1:59:04 ↗ seen just as like an official or or

1:59:07 ↗ something like that right you're seeing

1:59:09 ↗ as like someone who can roll up your

1:59:11 ↗ sleeves and pick up a chair or whatever

1:59:12 ↗ it is that they're needing and I just

1:59:14 ↗ find that that's very genuine way to get

1:59:16 ↗ to know the community

1:59:19 ↗ thank you so much for that yes very very

1:59:22 ↗ humbled we have a great team who's been

1:59:23 ↗ on a large team actually who's been

1:59:25 ↗ working on this uh not only City staff

1:59:27 ↗ who do have quite a few departments at

1:59:29 ↗ the city on in addition to our human

1:59:31 ↗ services department we have now the

1:59:33 ↗ economic development department also

1:59:34 ↗ join

1:59:36 ↗ um in our parks and Community Services

1:59:38 ↗ Department in Recreation Tisha geyser is

1:59:41 ↗ one of the main uh uh staff also

1:59:44 ↗ participating in that industry we also

1:59:46 ↗ have the downtown Issaquah Association

1:59:48 ↗ the library uh is also a faithful

1:59:51 ↗ partner for many years and then now the

1:59:53 ↗ friends of Library foundation and then

1:59:55 ↗ we have the Issaquah Highland so we have

1:59:57 ↗ organizations Community groups

1:59:59 ↗ organizations are all part of this so

2:00:01 ↗ it's it's growing in

2:00:03 ↗ um

2:00:05 ↗ definitely it's very very good so

2:00:07 ↗ hopefully we'll see you all there please

2:00:11 ↗ you have a table yes participated at

2:00:14 ↗ least three or four years old yes and

2:00:16 ↗ what is your table worn them

2:00:19 ↗ oh the school district okay I thought

2:00:21 ↗ you meant something else got our own

2:00:22 ↗ table going on yeah

2:00:30 ↗ family Partnerships

2:00:32 ↗ in the welcome movie and the schools

2:00:34 ↗ Foundation also has been a partner for

2:00:36 ↗ sure yes thank you Lorna sorry I didn't

2:00:38 ↗ mean to miss it

2:00:39 ↗ you could put that right

2:00:44 ↗ and now I'm wondering about lights but I

2:00:47 ↗ know that we have some lanterns that are

2:00:48 ↗ going up for decorations I just don't

2:00:50 ↗ know if those lights so you don't have

2:00:51 ↗ like big like Stadium lights

2:00:54 ↗ yeah

2:00:57 ↗ that's what I imagined when you said you

2:00:59 ↗ had lights that's what I was imagining

2:01:01 ↗ on my cell phone yeah

2:01:03 ↗ that's why I was wondering I'm like wait

2:01:05 ↗ it's outside do I need to bring my

2:01:07 ↗ library yes

2:01:11 ↗ just to be safe okay enough thank you

2:01:15 ↗ so the other business and announcement

2:01:18 ↗ so I I was tracking on a couple of items

2:01:20 ↗ so one Ray wanted a brief update on the

2:01:24 ↗ joint session from July I think

2:01:28 ↗ July 7th yeah okay

2:01:30 ↗ July 5th yes June 7th July yes okay so I

2:01:43 ↗ well I was wondering what the

2:01:45 ↗ conversation with other other boards

2:01:49 ↗ have been regarding definitions and what

2:01:52 ↗ is equity

2:01:54 ↗ um because I know that has come up quite

2:01:56 ↗ a bit with our people coming to our

2:01:59 ↗ meetings and it came up again with this

2:02:02 ↗ Commission

2:02:03 ↗ and

2:02:04 ↗ that meeting there was many questions I

2:02:08 ↗ walked away with when it came to

2:02:10 ↗ discussing what is equity versus

2:02:12 ↗ equality yes misunderstanding

2:02:16 ↗ of what

2:02:18 ↗ what Equity means and

2:02:21 ↗ it felt like I did not

2:02:25 ↗ like

2:02:27 ↗ we should not be going in and explaining

2:02:29 ↗ what we do and defining equity for

2:02:32 ↗ different boards or commissions and so

2:02:35 ↗ my question is are the different boards

2:02:37 ↗ and commissions been given uh basic

2:02:42 ↗ understanding of a fully implicit bias

2:02:45 ↗ the need because it it felt like this

2:02:49 ↗ was a given that we were talking about

2:02:50 ↗ Equity with the committee and yet it

2:02:54 ↗ kept on going to equality right and so I

2:02:58 ↗ was confused as to my role and the

2:03:02 ↗ conversation so I left the meeting

2:03:04 ↗ feeling like we had not finished the

2:03:07 ↗ conversation and that there was

2:03:10 ↗ there was definitely dis disagreement

2:03:14 ↗ within the group as to equity versus

2:03:17 ↗ equality and what was the purpose of

2:03:21 ↗ that that was my impression Preeti you

2:03:23 ↗ can correct me since you were sitting at

2:03:25 ↗ that meeting look we see you at the

2:03:26 ↗ meeting too right and Christina so

2:03:30 ↗ it it made me very much question what

2:03:35 ↗ was going on and

2:03:37 ↗ it didn't feel like I was there to have

2:03:39 ↗ a conversation with them I thought I was

2:03:42 ↗ having a conversation telling them what

2:03:45 ↗ Equity was oh interesting and so

2:03:49 ↗ please say something

2:03:52 ↗ wrong nodding because yeah I mean it was

2:03:55 ↗ a bit frustrating I mean I can say that

2:03:57 ↗ I attended as

2:04:00 ↗ um virtually and so I didn't feel like I

2:04:02 ↗ could just jump in but yes if I look

2:04:05 ↗ back at you know when I looked at like

2:04:07 ↗ who've spoken and whatnot I do remember

2:04:10 ↗ there were a couple of times when it was

2:04:13 ↗ like why why are we at this step rather

2:04:18 ↗ than addressing policy or addressing

2:04:21 ↗ things that that

2:04:24 ↗ that mattered yeah

2:04:27 ↗ but if it's a reminder it raised the

2:04:30 ↗ question in my head because I thought

2:04:32 ↗ that will boards and Commissioners were

2:04:34 ↗ either

2:04:35 ↗ they were invited to attend Equity

2:04:38 ↗ trainings virtual training since I

2:04:40 ↗ remember attending one and so I don't

2:04:42 ↗ know how widespread that participation

2:04:46 ↗ was but I that was a reminder to me that

2:04:49 ↗ maybe either

2:04:52 ↗ foreign

2:05:11 ↗ right but now I'm wondering if everyone

2:05:14 ↗ also received that training because it

2:05:17 ↗ felt that the conversation went back to

2:05:20 ↗ that and it felt like

2:05:22 ↗ if the commission was really

2:05:25 ↗ to me they were really pushing on

2:05:27 ↗ equality and so I wonder why I was there

2:05:31 ↗ with Equity like am I supposed to

2:05:34 ↗ convince them that if Equity is needed

2:05:36 ↗ here I thought I was there to partner

2:05:39 ↗ but then I'm going to say how can we

2:05:41 ↗ have equity in our economic development

2:05:45 ↗ of the city and so

2:05:48 ↗ it

2:05:49 ↗ it just made me leave questioning

2:05:54 ↗ the conversation and what was happening

2:05:57 ↗ at that meeting and with that group

2:06:02 ↗ okay

2:06:03 ↗ I guess Lucretia or uh Christina do you

2:06:07 ↗ have any other things to share

2:06:14 ↗ thank you

2:06:16 ↗ yeah I think

2:06:19 ↗ I I was trying I'm trying to remember I

2:06:22 ↗ I remember

2:06:25 ↗ a couple of questions like that and I

2:06:27 ↗ don't know how

2:06:31 ↗ if it's a common

2:06:33 ↗ confusion among the commission or

2:06:37 ↗ whether it was kind of specific to a

2:06:39 ↗ couple of members and that's true too

2:06:41 ↗ because that could be because I thought

2:06:45 ↗ I was there to talk about how to

2:06:46 ↗ increase the possibility of bringing

2:06:50 ↗ more underrepresented businesses to

2:06:54 ↗ light into you know to help fat groups

2:06:57 ↗ that might not know and how to do more

2:07:00 ↗ education and it felt like I was told no

2:07:04 ↗ this is about bringing equal systems to

2:07:06 ↗ everyone and

2:07:09 ↗ like oh I I'm not here for bad

2:07:12 ↗ conversations so they won't understand

2:07:14 ↗ they were in the framework of everyone

2:07:17 ↗ has a boot yes correct but not everyone

2:07:20 ↗ has feet

2:07:22 ↗ so they weren't getting that I I feel

2:07:25 ↗ like that emerged from a couple of the

2:07:27 ↗ questions that came up I don't know if I

2:07:31 ↗ heard that from the staff members and

2:07:34 ↗ that's true

2:07:36 ↗ so the city staff members definitely

2:07:38 ↗ have that opinion it was the boards in

2:07:42 ↗ community

2:07:44 ↗ is

2:07:46 ↗ as a staff member board members

2:07:49 ↗ um

2:07:50 ↗ a couple of notes I think

2:07:52 ↗ at minimum this is good information for

2:07:56 ↗ you

2:07:57 ↗ um right like all the boards and

2:07:59 ↗ commissions are volunteer community

2:08:01 ↗ member representing the community right

2:08:04 ↗ and so I think at minimum this is good

2:08:07 ↗ information that you have and then now I

2:08:10 ↗ think the next question is like what do

2:08:11 ↗ you do with the information right and

2:08:13 ↗ like I heard a couple of this uh

2:08:15 ↗ suggestions already like okay maybe we

2:08:17 ↗ can propose to the city that instead of

2:08:18 ↗ just inviting us strongly inviting then

2:08:21 ↗ maybe it can be made mandatory and

2:08:23 ↗ that's uh probably a conversation to

2:08:25 ↗ have with Stephanie the HR Director next

2:08:27 ↗ time which is here and what are the

2:08:29 ↗ options and and I also know there is

2:08:31 ↗ here also internally uh having

2:08:33 ↗ conversations at the city like how do

2:08:36 ↗ you mandate certain things to a person

2:08:38 ↗ who's volunteering their time but also

2:08:40 ↗ like what's the Baseline of training and

2:08:44 ↗ expectation that you want to have from

2:08:46 ↗ boards and Commissioners so again at

2:08:48 ↗ minimum this is good information

2:08:51 ↗ and I'm glad it's surfacing instead of

2:08:55 ↗ making the assumption that um

2:08:58 ↗ yeah so I feel that yes it's true that

2:09:02 ↗ we are volunteers and whatnot right like

2:09:04 ↗ that's a given but

2:09:06 ↗ we also make a commitment in terms of

2:09:09 ↗ like what we're signing up for so it may

2:09:12 ↗ be hard to say to someone you must do

2:09:14 ↗ this now but moving forward it can be

2:09:18 ↗ written in such a way that when you sign

2:09:20 ↗ up to be considered for a position

2:09:22 ↗ whether it be on a board or whether it

2:09:25 ↗ be on the commission that you're

2:09:27 ↗ agreeing like hey you know you're going

2:09:28 ↗ to come on board and part of your

2:09:31 ↗ commitment is this training right that

2:09:34 ↗ it's just not negotiable actually I was

2:09:37 ↗ thinking more on the lineup we had to

2:09:39 ↗ interview

2:09:41 ↗ and so if the board is indicating that

2:09:45 ↗ they don't believe in equity because I

2:09:48 ↗ know this is uh debate in our community

2:09:51 ↗ and some people have literally said they

2:09:54 ↗ don't believe in equity

2:09:55 ↗ maybe this is something that we that's

2:09:59 ↗ part of the the interview process like

2:10:01 ↗ what are your thoughts around Equity so

2:10:04 ↗ it's not that you're coming in with

2:10:06 ↗ training because nowadays honestly many

2:10:09 ↗ people have more training than some of

2:10:12 ↗ us in this room around Equity so it's

2:10:15 ↗ not um for me it's not a thing about

2:10:17 ↗ getting mandatory trained but it's the

2:10:20 ↗ thing about as you're coming into this

2:10:22 ↗ role part of the expectation of the city

2:10:25 ↗ and the belief of the city is that this

2:10:28 ↗ is who we are as a city so we're looking

2:10:31 ↗ at putting people on the board that is a

2:10:34 ↗ representation of who we are right and

2:10:37 ↗ so I think I'm looking for more than

2:10:39 ↗ just training I'm looking at the

2:10:41 ↗ interview process because coming in I

2:10:46 ↗ need to know if you had that value like

2:10:49 ↗ living

2:10:53 ↗ yes

2:10:55 ↗ part of the salmon

2:10:57 ↗ well I think

2:10:58 ↗ well as an equity board still trying to

2:11:00 ↗ Define what our mission is and I'm

2:11:02 ↗ hoping we're going to get to more of

2:11:03 ↗ that where we're very clear on what

2:11:04 ↗ we're trying to accomplish in 2024 but

2:11:07 ↗ what I was hoping that that this

2:11:08 ↗ Vitality commission would have some

2:11:12 ↗ commentary about

2:11:14 ↗ I I I I actually need to read their

2:11:16 ↗ admission what's their goals and

2:11:18 ↗ objectives and how do we align to it are

2:11:19 ↗ you are you fearing that your business

2:11:21 ↗ is going to close this year because of

2:11:23 ↗ an equity situation like stuff like that

2:11:25 ↗ that what's what what is what is um your

2:11:28 ↗ your primary concern but if you have to

2:11:31 ↗ go back to defining what Equity is they

2:11:33 ↗ wouldn't be able to answer that um

2:11:34 ↗ exactly right so I I think we just uh we

2:11:37 ↗ need to know what their goals are and is

2:11:39 ↗ it is it truly an alignment of what

2:11:41 ↗ we're trying to do how can we support

2:11:42 ↗ one another so do you think like as part

2:11:45 ↗ of the the opening agenda topic it was

2:11:48 ↗ well it's like can we have an equity

2:11:50 ↗ board uh presentation and there was an

2:11:52 ↗ economic mentality condition uh

2:11:56 ↗ presentation so there's some of that

2:11:58 ↗ information in the agenda materials

2:12:02 ↗ um

2:12:03 ↗ on paper everything reads I think

2:12:07 ↗ it's a matter of living into it and I

2:12:10 ↗ think

2:12:10 ↗ I almost say I like to some of Lauren's

2:12:13 ↗ comments and stuff some of uh what I

2:12:15 ↗ would like to explore is to put the city

2:12:19 ↗ to become more mature in terms of

2:12:22 ↗ articulating what its values are around

2:12:24 ↗ equity and even you know the Readiness

2:12:28 ↗ to go into like an equity strategic

2:12:30 ↗ planning process or something

2:12:33 ↗ um as part of future work what what it

2:12:37 ↗ would entail to Define things a little

2:12:39 ↗ bit more

2:12:40 ↗ um fully and I get balanced support

2:12:42 ↗ staff and how they do their work and

2:12:45 ↗ give more

2:12:47 ↗ um of that definition for expectations

2:12:49 ↗ of organ condition videos and things

2:12:52 ↗ like that

2:12:57 ↗ now I think

2:12:58 ↗ if you don't need to show no okay so

2:13:03 ↗ related to the other topic because I

2:13:05 ↗ think it's a good segue into it was one

2:13:08 ↗ of the public comments from a couple

2:13:09 ↗ months ago around what words are we

2:13:11 ↗ using to Define I think that's also

2:13:14 ↗ heard of like

2:13:16 ↗ setting a good foundation for the city

2:13:18 ↗ is Common Language common

2:13:21 ↗ you know where do we get started where

2:13:23 ↗ are we centering our work on I think it

2:13:25 ↗ came up like with the equity framework

2:13:27 ↗ there's what 20 30 different types of

2:13:30 ↗ you know groups that have experienced uh

2:13:35 ↗ being marginalized they were oppressed

2:13:37 ↗ and you know like that's a lot for to

2:13:40 ↗ operationalize and work so I'm just kind

2:13:43 ↗ of thinking about

2:13:44 ↗ um

2:13:45 ↗ how how we can start to bring more

2:13:48 ↗ clarity by like

2:13:49 ↗ what kind of language we use and I know

2:13:52 ↗ there's like

2:13:53 ↗ dictionaries around equity and inclusion

2:13:56 ↗ and things like that so maybe you know I

2:13:58 ↗ think it's similar to like the calendar

2:14:00 ↗ you know around but like is there a like

2:14:03 ↗ a dictionary or

2:14:05 ↗ list of terms that we can tell we all

2:14:09 ↗ agree to provide yeah Clarity and how we

2:14:11 ↗ communicate happens because the more the

2:14:14 ↗ city goes into the journey the more you

2:14:16 ↗ want vocabulary needs to be I think

2:14:18 ↗ that's an excellent idea because that

2:14:20 ↗ came up at our meeting and I was asked

2:14:22 ↗ to define equity there's a

2:14:24 ↗ misunderstanding equity and equality I

2:14:26 ↗ would love to see that on the city's

2:14:27 ↗ website to Define implicit bias explicit

2:14:31 ↗ bias marginalized underrepresented

2:14:33 ↗ Community Equity versus equality and

2:14:37 ↗ then within machine statement to have

2:14:40 ↗ the definition of terminology within it

2:14:42 ↗ because I know that in my work when we

2:14:45 ↗ introduced some uh president policy it

2:14:48 ↗ was a government but a lot of the people

2:14:51 ↗ reading it didn't understand a lot of

2:14:53 ↗ the words being used to talk about it

2:14:55 ↗ because it is new it is very new the

2:14:58 ↗ word Equity you know when we started

2:15:00 ↗ doing this work people were very

2:15:02 ↗ confused because our country is built on

2:15:05 ↗ equality it's not built on Equity right

2:15:07 ↗ and that is very hard for people to wrap

2:15:12 ↗ their head around because even as a

2:15:14 ↗ child I was raised and my mom and dad

2:15:16 ↗ are going to love me equally and yet as

2:15:18 ↗ an adult I realized that they loved me

2:15:21 ↗ with Equity because they gave me certain

2:15:23 ↗ privileges for certain things that my

2:15:25 ↗ siblings did not get you know and so

2:15:28 ↗ that is equity they didn't force me to

2:15:30 ↗ do something that I didn't want to do

2:15:31 ↗ just because my sisters did it but I was

2:15:35 ↗ recognized who who I am and that's how

2:15:38 ↗ we treat our children

2:15:40 ↗ so I think we need to it's a big shift

2:15:43 ↗ it's a big and to send people it

2:15:46 ↗ still feels very unfair and so I think

2:15:49 ↗ giving away and maybe rate that ties

2:15:51 ↗ into our work and we do need to maybe as

2:15:54 ↗ a group take time to sit down and work

2:15:56 ↗ with the city about that because I think

2:15:58 ↗ we're going to run into more

2:16:00 ↗ more roadblocks along that till we

2:16:04 ↗ Define that better for people in the

2:16:07 ↗ community and the Y because I think

2:16:09 ↗ maybe we at least for me I know

2:16:13 ↗ what my definitions are but I cannot

2:16:15 ↗ assume everybody else does I like that

2:16:17 ↗ personal because I really try absolutely

2:16:19 ↗ thinking when you get a story to tell

2:16:22 ↗ you

2:16:24 ↗ I mean in a perfect world be great if we

2:16:26 ↗ actually had some type of when we're

2:16:28 ↗ talking about our open Forum discussions

2:16:30 ↗ if we were to have something like a if

2:16:33 ↗ we could make this happen in October

2:16:35 ↗ November would be out December would be

2:16:36 ↗ out but an open Forum discussion about

2:16:38 ↗ Equity you know kind of like when we

2:16:40 ↗ first all got together that was one of

2:16:42 ↗ our first conversations about like

2:16:43 ↗ what's the difference between equity and

2:16:46 ↗ equality and I think that that picture

2:16:48 ↗ that kind of has the three individuals

2:16:51 ↗ in a box that would be great to actually

2:16:53 ↗ have on the city of escort website to

2:16:55 ↗ just kind of help people who don't

2:16:57 ↗ understand Equity just from a

2:16:59 ↗ visualization standpoint like I think

2:17:00 ↗ about that a lot when I started first

2:17:02 ↗ learning about Equity inequality and um

2:17:05 ↗ just learning what the differences is

2:17:07 ↗ and how that like I think about that

2:17:10 ↗ picture a lot and I kind of showed that

2:17:12 ↗ to my children as well children hate

2:17:14 ↗ Equity they hate it they don't think

2:17:16 ↗ they want equal so it's like from an

2:17:19 ↗ implementation standpoint anyone who's

2:17:21 ↗ Equity is implemented upon they won't

2:17:24 ↗ quality

2:17:25 ↗ but as those of us

2:17:27 ↗ who want equity and it's just helping

2:17:29 ↗ them understand that that's the

2:17:31 ↗ betterment for society and so I mean

2:17:34 ↗ what are your thoughts Monica in putting

2:17:36 ↗ that picture something like that even if

2:17:38 ↗ it's just

2:17:40 ↗ will be great

2:17:41 ↗ let's say it's on the city website and

2:17:44 ↗ then just engaging citizens what are

2:17:46 ↗ your thoughts on equity and equality on

2:17:48 ↗ the city website then people didn't just

2:17:50 ↗ comment what their thoughts are on

2:17:52 ↗ looking at that picture because it does

2:17:53 ↗ help represent visually what the

2:17:55 ↗ difference is

2:17:58 ↗ opportunities to

2:18:03 ↗ these two SRE and you know of terms and

2:18:07 ↗ I think those are

2:18:09 ↗ um there are things that if you as a

2:18:11 ↗ board would like to

2:18:13 ↗ um kind of like take us next steps for

2:18:15 ↗ us to put it on a future agenda items to

2:18:19 ↗ you know first pack for us to do some

2:18:21 ↗ research and bring back ideas and

2:18:24 ↗ um and then take action as a board I

2:18:27 ↗ think that those are there lots of

2:18:29 ↗ options too of course work with our

2:18:31 ↗ Communications and see and all of that

2:18:33 ↗ but I think obviously is reopening so

2:18:35 ↗ anything that would make it easier for

2:18:37 ↗ the community and for staff and provide

2:18:39 ↗ resources I think that that's the least

2:18:45 ↗ very easy way to to make I think we were

2:18:50 ↗ talking all about it like it's probably

2:18:52 ↗ a

2:18:53 ↗ um low effort big impact on sharing the

2:18:56 ↗ information that's already available and

2:18:59 ↗ curated about right

2:19:01 ↗ so in terms of process do we need to

2:19:03 ↗ like make a decision like the collective

2:19:06 ↗ decisions saying put it on the future

2:19:08 ↗ agenda topic I think so that would be

2:19:10 ↗ the next step I was gonna just ask okay

2:19:12 ↗ so we talked about two three different

2:19:14 ↗ things so what are the next steps to the

2:19:16 ↗ as a board what what would you do

2:19:18 ↗ want to have like would you like to have

2:19:21 ↗ then a Jedi them or to to talk about

2:19:23 ↗ common language

2:19:26 ↗ and um

2:19:29 ↗ I don't know what page resources as well

2:19:32 ↗ as

2:19:34 ↗ um

2:19:38 ↗ would you separately would you like to

2:19:40 ↗ now that I want to go back but we didn't

2:19:42 ↗ have a next step for the

2:19:44 ↗ training or other ideas that you had

2:19:46 ↗ around other boards and commissions

2:19:49 ↗ feels like that's perhaps a slightly

2:19:51 ↗ different topic or would you like to log

2:19:54 ↗ into or a bigger right conversation that

2:19:57 ↗ could be maybe as one of the

2:19:58 ↗ conversations with Stephanie and the

2:20:01 ↗ future meetings

2:20:02 ↗ but at least yes we can have at least

2:20:04 ↗ one future agenda topic to talk about

2:20:06 ↗ common language and and web page

2:20:09 ↗ resources website resources

2:20:12 ↗ okay

2:20:15 ↗ um

2:20:16 ↗ depending on how it works October might

2:20:18 ↗ be too soon just because I know you

2:20:20 ↗ already your agenda is filling up you

2:20:22 ↗ have the comprehensive and conversation

2:20:24 ↗ coming

2:20:25 ↗ to you and then you have some Equity

2:20:27 ↗ framework implementation

2:20:30 ↗ um Outreach so there are some topics and

2:20:33 ↗ that might be a big friend is into the

2:20:36 ↗ room

2:20:42 ↗ we like we like that button my

2:20:45 ↗ recommendation is maybe an alcohol

2:20:47 ↗ meeting we take 10-15 minutes to come up

2:20:50 ↗ with common words if you'd like to add

2:20:52 ↗ to the Dom the list and then sometime in

2:20:54 ↗ October whoever's interested in meat and

2:20:58 ↗ say these are definitions that we'd like

2:21:01 ↗ to propose and agree disagree

2:21:03 ↗ thank you for that even better if if you

2:21:06 ↗ find it easier

2:21:07 ↗ um

2:21:08 ↗ um pretty and I have been in

2:21:10 ↗ conversation last week and pretty shared

2:21:12 ↗ with us there's some work that some

2:21:13 ↗ other agencies have done there's a some

2:21:16 ↗ fairly uh Good Start I think that the

2:21:19 ↗ University of Washington there's a list

2:21:20 ↗ that they put together I'm happy to

2:21:22 ↗ share it out to the board that could be

2:21:24 ↗ like you can review it and say hey this

2:21:26 ↗ is a good start let's add this and this

2:21:28 ↗ and that and so then we can definitely

2:21:30 ↗ have a conversation in October for 10

2:21:32 ↗ like we have at least a starting point

2:21:33 ↗ and then again

2:21:35 ↗ um if we have time in October to have a

2:21:37 ↗ 10 minute conversation to continue if

2:21:39 ↗ not we can again just put it as an

2:21:41 ↗ agenda item for November probably or

2:21:43 ↗ December and then have a link to your

2:21:45 ↗ conversation on what else to add yeah I

2:21:49 ↗ think the schedule that might be like

2:21:51 ↗ glossary of terms but also words to

2:21:54 ↗ avoids okay like the dread not to use in

2:21:58 ↗ addition to what to use

2:22:01 ↗ I'd also like to revisit what Ray had

2:22:04 ↗ talked about the community for a couple

2:22:06 ↗ of years talked about I feel like when I

2:22:09 ↗ first joined this group it was to have

2:22:12 ↗ some Community discussions and I would

2:22:14 ↗ love to see that happen maybe in lieu of

2:22:17 ↗ an Edition and I I know that October is

2:22:20 ↗ filling up November and December always

2:22:21 ↗ a bad time to ask and do these kinds of

2:22:25 ↗ conversations so I'm wondering if a

2:22:27 ↗ great way to start the new year is by

2:22:29 ↗ saying hey we want to get your voices as

2:22:33 ↗ we go into our new year and let's have

2:22:36 ↗ one of these listening sessions and

2:22:38 ↗ giving people time

2:22:40 ↗ because the listening sessions really

2:22:42 ↗ have to be well thought of in who we

2:22:44 ↗ invite so that people actually show up

2:22:46 ↗ and also we have to consider I'll be

2:22:49 ↗ doing it all in English and all of that

2:22:51 ↗ part so it can get very complex but

2:22:54 ↗ since we're nine of us maybe did we

2:22:56 ↗ divide and conquer between different

2:22:58 ↗ language groups and different listening

2:23:01 ↗ sessions but sessions yeah and so I I

2:23:04 ↗ want to make sure that is coming on our

2:23:06 ↗ agenda so that's what I'm bringing it up

2:23:08 ↗ because I know I have to bring it up so

2:23:09 ↗ we all

2:23:11 ↗ agreement I learned something today so

2:23:15 ↗ my proposal is we put it on the agenda

2:23:17 ↗ to talk more up in October so that it

2:23:20 ↗ can be planned for January is my

2:23:22 ↗ suggestion for January yes so I love the

2:23:27 ↗ idea of the listening session to help

2:23:29 ↗ inform a work plan so that way there's

2:23:32 ↗ like you have a session you're taking

2:23:35 ↗ that information and you're directly

2:23:38 ↗ putting it into action in some ways so I

2:23:46 ↗ so we also have the things to have

2:23:51 ↗ how

2:23:53 ↗ how to manage her time and agenda topic

2:23:56 ↗ so we can actually work not only on the

2:23:58 ↗ step we're being directed to advise them

2:24:01 ↗ on but also the stuff that we're

2:24:03 ↗ initiating so what what is the right

2:24:05 ↗ amount of work across those States

2:24:11 ↗ um

2:24:14 ↗ too much longer but I feel like you know

2:24:16 ↗ we've got a pretty nice backlog image at

2:24:19 ↗ the topic can I ask Paul are we just

2:24:22 ↗ emailing feedback to you

2:24:28 ↗ okay any

2:24:30 ↗ um

2:24:31 ↗ wording comments from the group uh

2:24:36 ↗ announcements

2:24:38 ↗ from anyone

2:24:42 ↗ okay uh I'm back to my script what was

2:24:47 ↗ that what are the words instead of wrap

2:24:49 ↗ myself

2:24:51 ↗ here it is okay the next meeting is

2:24:55 ↗ currently scheduled for October 4th 2023

2:24:59 ↗ and uh this meeting is adjourned at 8 34

2:25:03 ↗ p.m have a lovely evening and thank you

2:25:07 ↗ all for staying here I appreciate the

2:25:10 ↗ conversation thank you thank you nice to

2:25:14 ↗ see you Karthik and Christina bye thank

2:25:17 ↗ you

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