Development Commission · Wednesday, May 3, 2017 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Development Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission reviews all land Christopher Wright, use actions requiring a Level 3 review. The Project Oversight Manager Commission further serves as an advisory board to Email the City Council on land use actions requiring council approval (Level 5 review). Regular Members 2018 – Jasmina Mihova The appearance of fairness doctrine prohibits 2018 - Raymond Leong Development Commission members and City 2018 - Richard Sowa Council members from discussing the merit of 2019 - Michael Brennan specific land use development applications outside 2019 - Randolph Harrison of the formal public meeting process. Citizens, 2020 - Melvin Morgan however, may discuss any issue with the City's 2020 - Kevin Price Development Services Department. Written comments are also welcome. Alternate Members 2019 – Richard Sanford Membership 2019 – Ryan…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of April 19, 2017

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CITY OF ISSAQUAH DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES April 19, 2017 City Hall South 135 E. Sunset Way Council Chambers Issaquah, WA 98027

3. AGENDA ITEMS

Moratorium Work Plan: Architectural Fit and Design Discussion of character, architectural fit, and urban design framework components

Crandall/Arambula, Portland

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0:08 ↗ I haven't married use it okay

0:13 ↗ what's why

0:15 ↗ development Commission meeting of

0:16 ↗ Wednesday on a 3rd 2017 and first order

0:22 ↗ of business is for us to approve some

0:24 ↗ minutes of April 19-20 17th at excellent

0:27 ↗ excellent minutes really appreciate that

0:30 ↗ work it's hard work but good five hours

0:32 ↗ work yeah so is everybody have has

0:39 ↗ everybody read the minute this is are

0:42 ↗ there anybody interested in making a

0:45 ↗ motion will be approve okay second okay

0:49 ↗ any discussion Corrections great jobs is

0:52 ↗ excellent all those in favor approving

0:56 ↗ the minutes say aye aye opposed that

0:59 ↗ looks like we approved a minute right so

1:02 ↗ we have as you've noticed two new

1:03 ↗ members to new alternates tonight

1:05 ↗ Richard Sanford and Ryan rotor am i

1:08 ↗ starting that right we have one more

1:12 ↗ member who isn't here tonight next

1:15 ↗ meeting will be elections so start

1:18 ↗ jockeying for positions we don't know in

1:22 ↗ magnetic meeting I'm going to me no no

1:25 ↗ no the other guy has promised not to get

1:28 ↗ involved no last-minute announcements so

1:34 ↗ we'll do that next meeting we don't know

1:36 ↗ when the next meeting is it may be

1:38 ↗ related to this I can't I can't remember

1:41 ↗ if there any other permits coming up so

1:46 ↗ and he said he thought he saw them out

1:48 ↗ there

1:55 ↗ so I think we're going to spend we have

1:58 ↗ two new members here this evening I

2:00 ↗ thought Lisi and I thought it'd be good

2:02 ↗ especially since we might have a few

2:04 ↗ minutes to spend a little bit of time

2:07 ↗ just on why we're talking about

2:09 ↗ architectural guidelines and urban

2:11 ↗ design and you know primarily for you

2:14 ↗ two guys who I'm sure just crawled out

2:17 ↗ from underneath a rock to joke sorry so

2:21 ↗ the city's in a moratorium right now it

2:24 ↗ was enacted in September of last year

2:27 ↗ and there were a number of reasons why

2:29 ↗ it was enacted but here we are and as

2:34 ↗ the Commission is well aware it didn't

2:37 ↗ mean that everything stopped which is

2:38 ↗ why we spent quite a bit of time last

2:40 ↗ meeting talking about a development

2:42 ↗ proposal so there are a number of things

2:44 ↗ that are still moving but basically what

2:46 ↗ it did was anything that hadn't already

2:48 ↗ come in the door basically had to park

2:52 ↗ and wait and the reason why we're

2:54 ↗ waiting are for the topics that you see

2:56 ↗ on and this is actually the city has a

3:01 ↗ moratorium web page you can get there

3:04 ↗ via the city's web page and you go into

3:07 ↗ development services and then there's a

3:10 ↗ bottom icon you can click on the

3:14 ↗ moratorium and then once you get here

3:17 ↗ we've had each of the staff project

3:20 ↗ leaves work to kind of create a subpage

3:23 ↗ that will give you a little bit more

3:26 ↗ information about what each topic is

3:29 ↗ including maybe the next public touches

3:32 ↗ what the schedule might be because all

3:34 ↗ of the work plan items are actually

3:36 ↗ moving at different speeds and moving a

3:41 ↗ little bit different courses depending

3:43 ↗ on what the topic is for architectural

3:47 ↗ guidelines in urban design we decided

3:50 ↗ that it made the most sense to spend a

3:52 ↗ majority of the time talking that

3:54 ↗ through with the development commission

3:56 ↗ since those are the tools that you guys

3:58 ↗ will ultimately use in the future but

4:02 ↗ whereas something like parking we really

4:05 ↗ decided that

4:07 ↗ our best course of action was to hire a

4:09 ↗ consultant because parking is something

4:13 ↗ that every jurisdiction deals with good

4:15 ↗ and bad

4:17 ↗ and rather than recreate the wheel we

4:20 ↗ felt like the best thing for us to do

4:22 ↗ would be to get a technical report by a

4:24 ↗ consultant they would tell us one are we

4:27 ↗ right parked and two what would happen

4:32 ↗ if we actually changed our rules to

4:34 ↗ mandate a certain percentage of parking

4:36 ↗ to be in structure and so that's that

4:40 ↗ project it's actually because it's much

4:45 ↗ more of just a technical analysis and

4:47 ↗ less kind of public outreach it's the

4:50 ↗ farthest along it'll be finished first

4:52 ↗ and it actually informs some of the

4:54 ↗ other things they're happening so it

4:55 ↗ makes sense whereas like district

4:59 ↗ visions or neighborhood visions that has

5:01 ↗ conversely the most public outreach so

5:04 ↗ it's actually going to be the one that

5:06 ↗ probably finishes up last so these six

5:10 ↗ items are in different stages of

5:14 ↗ completion and staff are really hoping

5:18 ↗ that we can get most of them done by the

5:21 ↗ time the council has to either renew or

5:26 ↗ reconsider the moratorium which would be

5:28 ↗ in September of this year so so

5:31 ↗ basically the way that the the state

5:34 ↗ statutes work is you if you don't know

5:37 ↗ an exact timeline for what you need to

5:39 ↗ fix you basically go on a revolving six

5:41 ↗ months kind of window and so we've

5:45 ↗ already renewed it once and then we'll

5:49 ↗ be do again in September of this year

5:51 ↗ so right now we're all kind of focused

5:53 ↗ on getting these things kind of put

5:56 ↗ together so that by the time we hit

5:57 ↗ September hopefully the council feels

5:59 ↗ comfortable that we've addressed the

6:01 ↗ issues that they feel needed addressing

6:04 ↗ and would potentially lift the

6:06 ↗ moratorium at that time is there a limit

6:08 ↗ on how many times you can roll over this

6:11 ↗ then not explicitly so so that it kind

6:16 ↗ of that there's a there's an intuitive

6:18 ↗ level of pain

6:20 ↗ that you need to be sensitive to you

6:22 ↗ know at some point so so a city can get

6:24 ↗ sued if it has basically a perpetual

6:27 ↗ moratorium in place so you have to be

6:30 ↗ able to demonstrate that you're making

6:31 ↗ progress towards lifting it and I think

6:34 ↗ that at this point we can genuinely say

6:36 ↗ that we are doing what we need to do to

6:40 ↗ accomplish that now it could very well

6:42 ↗ be that come September the council says

6:45 ↗ you know what let's let's do two months

6:47 ↗ they don't have to do six months so they

6:49 ↗ could say well you're pretty close

6:51 ↗ you're not quite there so let's just

6:52 ↗ let's look at this thing in December and

6:55 ↗ maybe by then everything will be ready

6:58 ↗ and we'll lift the moratorium at that

6:59 ↗ point so it's it's a little fluid on

7:01 ↗ that front but you can't basically keep

7:04 ↗ so part of and part of the rules if you

7:08 ↗ will is you have to have specific things

7:11 ↗ that you're working on right you can't

7:13 ↗ just say we're going to enact a

7:14 ↗ moratorium because we haven't seen the

7:17 ↗ Sun you know for six months you know

7:21 ↗ because I'm good Sun came out today hi

7:23 ↗ gentlemen

7:23 ↗ and you know so it has to be tangible

7:27 ↗ and there has to be a way to actually

7:28 ↗ get to an end and so I think we're well

7:32 ↗ within our bounds in terms of protocols

7:36 ↗ but at some point if we've adequately

7:40 ↗ addressed these six items I don't think

7:42 ↗ the council could legitimately say they

7:44 ↗ wouldn't lift the moratorium that would

7:46 ↗ I think it would put the city in an

7:47 ↗ awkward spot but I'm not a city attorney

7:50 ↗ all right any other questions

7:52 ↗ Randi hi I think Newcastle was the first

7:56 ↗ city that I know of to put a moratorium

7:59 ↗ in place - do you know of any other

8:01 ↗ towns that have it that are in the

8:03 ↗ Seattle metropolitan area and and is

8:05 ↗ there's continuing as far as you know

8:08 ↗ key I know you're so so there are

8:12 ↗ moratoriums that so Issaquah actually

8:15 ↗ had a moratorium earlier many many moons

8:18 ↗ ago and it was four we had both a water

8:23 ↗ supply issue this was before we joined

8:25 ↗ cascade water alliance when we were

8:27 ↗ dependent solely upon well water and

8:29 ↗ there's a capacity limitation that we

8:31 ↗ were hitting so we basically hit

8:33 ↗ our capacity that way you know when

8:37 ↗ Issaquah Highlands got bill they

8:39 ↗ actually built a transmission line from

8:41 ↗ Bellevue out which basically took any

8:44 ↗ limitation we would have off from a

8:46 ↗ water standpoint but recently related to

8:50 ↗ things like we're dealing with now

8:52 ↗ Newcastle enacted a moratorium because

8:56 ↗ they weren't getting any mixed use in

8:59 ↗ their what they call their town center

9:01 ↗ area I believe that Mercer Island

9:04 ↗ enacted a moratorium recently it was

9:07 ↗ more about I think their residents

9:10 ↗ having issues with the amount of growth

9:11 ↗ that was happening in Mercer Island

9:12 ↗ there's a lot of parallels between

9:14 ↗ Mercer Island and Issaquah in a odd way

9:17 ↗ Sammamish has been talking about it they

9:20 ↗ haven't done it yet will they do it

9:22 ↗ maybe every time I Drive up to the

9:25 ↗ plateau I'm surprised at the number of

9:27 ↗ subdivisions that are in progress right

9:29 ↗ now somebody east of us did I can't

9:32 ↗ remember if it's North Bend or

9:34 ↗ Snoqualmie one of the two of them

9:36 ↗ dropped the moratorium kind of bail as

9:39 ↗ well so right now I think it's just a

9:42 ↗ general reaction to communities

9:46 ↗ struggling with kind of the pace and the

9:48 ↗ scale of growth that's going on right

9:50 ↗ now and I think that you know putting

9:55 ↗ some more tools in our toolbox which is

9:57 ↗ what this is really about for us I think

9:59 ↗ will get us to a better place once once

10:01 ↗ it gets lifted thank you hope that was

10:05 ↗ helpful

10:07 ↗ and any questions feel free you can

10:09 ↗ shoot me in Luci emails later if you

10:11 ↗ want but I'm going to go ahead and stop

10:14 ↗ since I'm just going to switch chairs

10:17 ↗ because the baby chair over here I'd

10:19 ↗ like to see over the counter okay that's

10:21 ↗ fine

10:22 ↗ so Don and Jason welcome I was your

10:27 ↗ stand-up act here I was keeping the

10:29 ↗ crowd engaged in

10:36 ↗ so you guys can just show the routine up

10:44 ↗ here it says darn son today thanks part

10:59 ↗ of the problem too well it did I know I

11:09 ↗ would not know how to shave so so what

11:31 ↗ we're calling this is a preference

11:33 ↗ workshop so it's pretty open so my sense

11:37 ↗ is there's quite a few slides and I

11:40 ↗ don't necessarily want to wait till I

11:41 ↗ finish this so if you guys chime in or

11:44 ↗ nask questions as I go along and I'll

11:46 ↗ pause - - to make sure that we we can do

11:50 ↗ this so can I be fully start with

11:54 ↗ questions so can you let us know kind of

11:57 ↗ at the beginning here kind of what

11:58 ↗ you're what you're looking for from us

12:00 ↗ in comments feedback suggestions uh as

12:05 ↗ you're backing through this yeah I can

12:08 ↗ do that

12:08 ↗ and so we what we're looking for is a

12:11 ↗ direction so that we can develop a draft

12:15 ↗ document for the architecture fit and

12:19 ↗ urban design and so what we're trying to

12:23 ↗ do right now is really try to frame some

12:26 ↗ ideas for you that will be then

12:29 ↗ translated into that document but

12:31 ↗ without this basic framework it's

12:34 ↗ difficult for us to just produce

12:37 ↗ something because otherwise it's going

12:39 ↗ to be our opinion not necessarily yours

12:41 ↗ or the community so that's that's really

12:43 ↗ what this is intended to do

12:45 ↗ it's really it's based on the the

12:47 ↗ comments and other things that we've

12:48 ↗ heard before and then our reaction to

12:51 ↗ that and trying to give you an option as

12:53 ↗ that's how to deal with your with the

12:56 ↗ central Issaquah plan and the standards

12:58 ↗ that are coming in so that's what I'm

13:01 ↗ saying is I'm going to pause and ask

13:03 ↗ questions as we go through here so that

13:06 ↗ we just don't get too far along on the

13:07 ↗ on the discussion so presentation

13:10 ↗ further discussion and a little bit

13:12 ↗ about the next steps so here's a project

13:15 ↗ schedule here we are May 3rd we were

13:17 ↗ back in almost a month ago talking to

13:20 ↗ you since that time we also talked to

13:22 ↗ City Council and gave them that same

13:24 ↗ presentation and so in the meantime

13:27 ↗ we've done roughly what we call a visual

13:31 ↗ assessment it's more than that but we're

13:35 ↗ here to present it tonight and then you

13:37 ↗ see the schedule after this will present

13:39 ↗ a draft and it's going to be a bit

13:41 ↗ iterative it etre iterative and we'll be

13:45 ↗ talking to you again later this month

13:48 ↗ maybe a rough or less a shell of what

13:50 ↗ that document is going to look like and

13:53 ↗ then in June unless the states have

13:56 ↗ changed Keith I don't know but yes but

14:01 ↗ generally it's in here somewhere we're

14:03 ↗ going to be talking within a month or so

14:05 ↗ and also the land and Shore and so the

14:09 ↗ idea it's really kind of finishes up in

14:11 ↗ August so just as a reminder going back

14:16 ↗ to the central it's go plan and the

14:18 ↗ design manuals what the intent of this

14:20 ↗ is to do okay and these are the project

14:28 ↗ tasks we've already done the assessment

14:30 ↗ we're here to then come back and look at

14:34 ↗ some in the next phase and the end of

14:37 ↗ May of the guidelines and then any

14:40 ↗ changes would happen at the end the

14:41 ↗ process to your existing standards and

14:46 ↗ we talked about what we heard general

14:49 ↗ comments I won't go through this because

14:51 ↗ we got more things to talk about but

14:52 ↗ this just reminder why we heard about

14:55 ↗ buildings we had a discussion about that

14:57 ↗ the

14:58 ↗ architecture concerns but what you were

15:01 ↗ getting

15:01 ↗ and then sight developed in other words

15:04 ↗ the urban design framework what was

15:08 ↗ occurring as well so with that initial

15:11 ↗ assessment we identified a couple things

15:14 ↗ with your existing central it squad

15:16 ↗ district visions that they're their word

15:19 ↗ heavy and there really isn't any

15:22 ↗ drawings or plans that Kompany these so

15:26 ↗ they're easily interpreted by one person

15:29 ↗ or another in different ways the

15:33 ↗ land-use framework is really isn't

15:36 ↗ informed by those visions much it's very

15:39 ↗ generic and the roadway system the

15:43 ↗ circulation system the ped and bike and

15:46 ↗ and the lacking of a transit system

15:48 ↗ which something is not the fault of the

15:50 ↗ plan simply because st3 didn't occur

15:52 ↗ until after this project was a plan was

15:56 ↗ adopted so it needs some hierarchy and a

16:00 ↗ little bit more definition in

16:02 ↗ particularly understanding how Landis's

16:05 ↗ relate to it and likewise with the civic

16:10 ↗ of the the green necklace piece there

16:13 ↗ really isn't any focal points or areas

16:16 ↗ that you would build housing around for

16:18 ↗ example things like public parks really

16:21 ↗ aren't all that well defined what we did

16:24 ↗ also do is in review some of the and

16:27 ↗ look at the projects that you you have

16:30 ↗ either approved or reviewed recently and

16:32 ↗ those are indicated here in that magenta

16:35 ↗ purplish color and so we looked at the

16:38 ↗ Ennis with project and have a sense of

16:40 ↗ what you reviewed and looked at the

16:42 ↗ staff reports and have a sense of what

16:44 ↗ was discussed with that and your your

16:47 ↗ views of those projects we looked at the

16:49 ↗ Atlas project the site plan and

16:51 ↗ particular is something I think was of

16:53 ↗ interest to us and the relationship of

16:56 ↗ the essentially they apartment complex

16:59 ↗ in adjacent to a Greenway in the park

17:03 ↗ and the orientation of buildings and

17:05 ↗ other things like that were something we

17:07 ↗ talked about materiality and mass

17:10 ↗ and things like that and in colors is

17:12 ↗ probably the hot point they're a gateway

17:15 ↗ again the question here was we heard

17:18 ↗ again again was about the lack of a

17:21 ↗ mixed use and and the the character of

17:26 ↗ the development has seemed somewhat

17:28 ↗ isolated as well and also Reva townhomes

17:32 ↗ so we looked at all this so I'm not

17:34 ↗ going to go through a lot on that but we

17:35 ↗ have taken a look at it lungs with the

17:37 ↗ Vale project and look at some of the

17:40 ↗ recommendations that you all have made

17:43 ↗ as well so that was just background just

17:46 ↗ for to to get us back up to date so for

17:49 ↗ tonight the preference discussion it's

17:52 ↗ really it's going to talk about what's

17:54 ↗ highlighted little livability

17:56 ↗ sustainability and balanced a mixed use

17:58 ↗ urban area and with an emphasis on urban

18:01 ↗ area and changing the area from a series

18:04 ↗ of strip malls and office buildings to

18:06 ↗ something that's different and is in a

18:10 ↗ natural setting that represents the

18:14 ↗ values of the community so what we've

18:18 ↗ tried to do is really focus this

18:20 ↗ discussion around the guiding principles

18:23 ↗ principles of the of the central

18:26 ↗ listicle plan when we start looking at

18:28 ↗ some issues so we want to go through

18:31 ↗ each one of these one at a time and see

18:33 ↗ if we're doing the right thing

18:35 ↗ so the first guiding principles about

18:38 ↗ integrating the environmental features

18:40 ↗ such as creeks and views and so that's

18:43 ↗ pretty pretty clearly articulated in

18:45 ↗ words and a couple of diagrams in the

18:47 ↗ plan and so our take on this is that

18:51 ↗ we've got a couple things going on with

18:54 ↗ the the district you've got a

18:57 ↗ destination on each end which is like

18:59 ↗ Sammamish in the old town and there

19:02 ↗ appears to be and clearly is a poor

19:05 ↗ linkage between those two destinations

19:07 ↗ in central Issaquah today and that the

19:13 ↗ issue is on this is that if you want to

19:16 ↗ have that linkage the northern side of

19:19 ↗ the area north of i90 is fairly

19:23 ↗ contiguous

19:24 ↗ and strong today with a lot of green

19:26 ↗ spaces so you can navigate along that if

19:29 ↗ you had a pathway walkway bike way along

19:31 ↗ it connecting the two until you get to a

19:34 ↗ 90 which creates that barrier along F

19:38 ↗ squeak creak in the south of that it's

19:42 ↗ really fractured and the open space is

19:45 ↗ not continuous and so if that's going to

19:48 ↗ be a key connection there needs to be an

19:51 ↗ intervention and in some ways to tie

19:54 ↗ that back together and it seems like is

19:56 ↗ such a strong idea to do this to focus

20:01 ↗ your development along and towards the

20:04 ↗ creek in your Greenway your your Lake

20:09 ↗ Sammamish trail and then make sure that

20:11 ↗ development floats into that development

20:15 ↗ and find a framework that supports that

20:18 ↗ so it isn't a piece mill that there are

20:21 ↗ some some strategic actions over time

20:24 ↗ that lead you to to take advantage of

20:27 ↗ that resource which is unique to any

20:29 ↗ other area around here and it really is

20:32 ↗ the defining feature of central is

20:34 ↗ request so then this piece in itself is

20:37 ↗ probably the most important thing to try

20:39 ↗ to get right and our point of view as

20:42 ↗ you move forward so any discussion about

20:44 ↗ that piece right now or a discussion

20:46 ↗ that we should know is this the right

20:48 ↗ approach are we missing this at all one

20:54 ↗ of my fellow commissioners and I are

20:57 ↗ pretty active in friends physical a

20:59 ↗ Salmon Hatchery and I guess one of the

21:04 ↗ things that fish watches we're not

21:07 ↗ political but one of the things that we

21:10 ↗ watch real closely is for impact on the

21:14 ↗ creek we're not and the salmon run and I

21:19 ↗ sounds great so far but I think we need

21:25 ↗ to be really aware of the fact that and

21:28 ↗ there are tremendous standards in place

21:30 ↗ and regulations and everything I

21:32 ↗ understand that will that will

21:33 ↗ guard the creek but in the interest of

21:37 ↗ emphasizing the uniqueness of the creek

21:40 ↗ and its importance to the city I think

21:43 ↗ it has to be balanced with a buffers

21:45 ↗ real clear understanding from the get-go

21:48 ↗ of what is going to be defined in terms

21:53 ↗ of what you can do to focus on that and

21:56 ↗ enhance the creek environment at the

22:00 ↗ same time so sources that is what we'd

22:04 ↗ like to see buffers to be able to

22:05 ↗ clearly define that and then through

22:08 ↗ some design skander's make sure that

22:10 ↗ this isn't a backdoor area but it has a

22:14 ↗ front or orientation or a side door

22:18 ↗ orientation so it isn't out back and

22:20 ↗ behind a backwater but it has more

22:22 ↗ prominence not necessarily we need to

22:24 ↗ interact with the creek but we need to

22:27 ↗ have some awareness that it's there that

22:29 ↗ it isn't there today all right so let's

22:34 ↗ go on to the next one which is there's

22:35 ↗ really three things want to talk about

22:37 ↗ here with transportation vehicle transit

22:39 ↗ and pedestrian mobility and so the first

22:42 ↗ thing that we asked staff for is really

22:45 ↗ to get a better sense of the amount of

22:46 ↗ traffic in here because we know there's

22:48 ↗ a lot but one of the guiding principles

22:51 ↗ in the central is a plan is to make a

22:54 ↗ pedestrian friendly walkable district

22:57 ↗ and when we work in communities around

23:00 ↗ the country we know there's a certain

23:03 ↗ data mine where it becomes not

23:05 ↗ pedestrian friendly anymore and people

23:07 ↗ will stay away from it or you need to

23:08 ↗ separate people significantly with a

23:12 ↗ significant buffer away from traffic and

23:14 ↗ typically that number is about 15,000

23:18 ↗ trips a day so when you're looking at

23:20 ↗ Sammamish Road at 42,000 trips you know

23:23 ↗ Newport with 14 on the edge Gilman with

23:26 ↗ 28 Lake Sammamish Parkway with 49 were

23:31 ↗ way above that number and so the it has

23:35 ↗ an impact on creating a cohesiveness for

23:38 ↗ the entire district and so what we do

23:42 ↗ know is that those collector and

23:43 ↗ arterial roads are important as regional

23:47 ↗ sources and so we also know that we've

23:51 ↗ with over a hundred thousand trips a day

23:53 ↗ and i-98 creates in a south north south

23:57 ↗ barrier and even more importantly the

24:01 ↗ existing crossings today are so hostile

24:04 ↗ that very few people are willing to

24:06 ↗ cross us with on and off ramps you know

24:09 ↗ the basic thing is would you take an

24:11 ↗ eight-year-old across the street or if

24:13 ↗ you were 80 are you going to cross that

24:14 ↗ roadway and I'd be challenge anybody to

24:17 ↗ do that so you really left with only one

24:19 ↗ underpass or two that you can actually

24:21 ↗ cross from the south to north in this

24:23 ↗ very large area the other thing that is

24:27 ↗ apparent to us is that Gilman is being

24:30 ↗ used as a regional facility and the we

24:34 ↗ question whether that is appropriate for

24:36 ↗ this district to further promote that

24:39 ↗ and allow a lot of regional cut through

24:42 ↗ traffic on Gilman it's in the heart of

24:45 ↗ your your-your-your district and as a

24:49 ↗ result of all these roadways the

24:53 ↗ development is very bifurcated with

24:56 ↗ forty and fifty thousand trips a day

24:58 ↗ it's very difficult to say that I got a

25:00 ↗ pedestrian friendly environment when

25:01 ↗ I've got across to these roadways or

25:03 ↗ walk along them so something needs to be

25:06 ↗ done with that so as a result of this

25:09 ↗ the district has more of this sort of

25:12 ↗ characteristics it's a place to drive

25:14 ↗ through rather than a destination and I

25:18 ↗ think a clear objective here is what can

25:21 ↗ we do to accommodate the the very

25:23 ↗ necessary regional traffic the city

25:26 ↗ traffic that make this more of it a

25:28 ↗ destination so one of the things that

25:32 ↗ we'd like to do is have a little bit

25:35 ↗ more definition about the green necklace

25:37 ↗ and really truly create something that

25:40 ↗ is more of a necklace in terms of

25:42 ↗ mobility Network so think about the

25:45 ↗ arterial roads is mobility Complete

25:48 ↗ Streets where you can't accommodate

25:51 ↗ these high volumes of traffic but if

25:55 ↗ somebody's going to walk along it

25:56 ↗ they're separated and protected on

25:58 ↗ multi-use paths and you do this pretty

26:00 ↗ good

26:01 ↗ in certain portions of your roadways

26:02 ↗ today for example a new port on certain

26:05 ↗ parts of it is pretty good roadway and

26:07 ↗ so it's it's not that you don't have

26:10 ↗ good models here locally how to do that

26:12 ↗ the issues it just needs to be a

26:14 ↗ continuous necklace not necessarily a

26:17 ↗ pieces of fits and starts so that we

26:19 ↗ need to really try to push the regional

26:22 ↗ traffic along the edges rather than

26:25 ↗ trying to concentrate it up the middle

26:26 ↗ and so here is the big leap here and

26:29 ↗ this is a point of discussion that we'd

26:32 ↗ like to have it talked to you about and

26:34 ↗ it's rethinking Gilman and thinking it

26:38 ↗ as a common thread tying the districts

26:40 ↗ and the focus of all development in the

26:41 ↗ districts so when you look at this pink

26:43 ↗ area in the middle Gilman is pretty much

26:46 ↗ in the middle and so if you try to say

26:49 ↗ is there a signature street that would

26:51 ↗ be identifiable viable for the district

26:55 ↗ we ask is Gilman that Street and what

26:58 ↗ would be the character of that Street

27:00 ↗ because in previous meetings for example

27:01 ↗ in City Council some people some of the

27:04 ↗ councillors said why have we given up on

27:07 ↗ Gilman I almost assumed that we would

27:09 ↗ have buildings engaging the street and

27:11 ↗ that's where we would get the mixed use

27:14 ↗ with the street oriented retail on it

27:16 ↗ not off seventh on an Atlas project or

27:19 ↗ the developers saying it's not viable

27:22 ↗ we know that retail needs a certain

27:25 ↗ amount of drive-by traffic you need to

27:26 ↗ have at least 5,000 trips a day then as

27:29 ↗ I mentioned before we give over 15,000

27:31 ↗ it becomes pedestrian hostile so the

27:34 ↗ question is can we redesign Gilman so

27:37 ↗ that it has more of the characteristics

27:39 ↗ of front going through Old Town so it's

27:41 ↗ two lanes of traffic on street parking

27:43 ↗ and maybe it's not convenient for people

27:47 ↗ cutting through your community but it

27:49 ↗ then it becomes that focus of

27:50 ↗ development so that's an issue and

27:52 ↗ something that we would like to have a

27:54 ↗ discussion is any comment about that

27:56 ↗ thought about it

28:01 ↗ how do you see excuse me how do you see

28:05 ↗ Gilman village in this

28:10 ↗ I'm not quite sure yet you know because

28:13 ↗ we haven't looked at every bit of

28:14 ↗ anything of the entire site and I'll for

28:19 ↗ example I can inform you of why you're

28:22 ↗ asking that question well I guess there

28:26 ↗ are two things one is that I moved here

28:27 ↗ in 1989 and my understanding is that

28:30 ↗ there it was considered a tourist

28:35 ↗ attraction and buses would come in from

28:37 ↗ all over the Seattle area to bring

28:38 ↗ people in to shop at Gilman Village and

28:41 ↗ it's still very viable yeah but there

28:45 ↗ you know it just seems to be isolated

28:48 ↗ where it is and it people that liked it

28:52 ↗ and know about it love it yeah but it

28:55 ↗ seems to me like it's kind of an East a

28:59 ↗ potential anchor if not already for what

29:01 ↗ you're talking there will be that so we

29:04 ↗ haven't really specifically looked at

29:06 ↗ that area and I'll tattoo as we move

29:09 ↗ through this we'll talk about some of

29:10 ↗ the areas that we have looked at

29:11 ↗ specifically I'm throwing it I guess my

29:16 ↗ pin and I like your idea a lot because

29:18 ↗ because I don't think there's a think of

29:21 ↗ it I guess it's probably classified as a

29:23 ↗ Parkway the category would happen simply

29:26 ↗ we would downgrade this to a different

29:28 ↗ kind of Street but it's not like you've

29:31 ↗ got a long distance to go that you need

29:33 ↗ to go 35 or 40 miles now to get

29:35 ↗ somewhere quickly and you're right I

29:39 ↗ think to to make that a more activated

29:41 ↗ Street for the pedestrian one of the

29:44 ↗ challenges could be something you could

29:46 ↗ do to wear it but abuts up to iodine B

29:49 ↗ who separate that a little more to make

29:52 ↗ it that more pedestrian friendly on that

29:55 ↗ side too but in general I like the idea

29:57 ↗ a lot of yeah they can add a more

29:59 ↗ personal bolt three so this would take

30:01 ↗ clearly some more traffic analysis to

30:03 ↗ really make it real but the idea here is

30:05 ↗ I think that you've got enough capacity

30:08 ↗ on a lot of your other big streets in in

30:11 ↗ you know frankly I don't think you're in

30:14 ↗ under any obligation to provide more

30:16 ↗ capacity for people who are moving

30:18 ↗ through your community and so the

30:23 ↗ so that's the idea and you see those two

30:26 ↗ circles one of the things that we've

30:28 ↗ talked about in the central ethical plan

30:33 ↗ is about gateways and really the

30:36 ↗ question is words really the real

30:38 ↗ gateway for your community and if we're

30:41 ↗ going to say that that is your signature

30:42 ↗ Street and most people 119,000 people

30:45 ↗ are coming off of the freeway that's the

30:48 ↗ Gateway and those two points off of

30:51 ↗ highway 18 and going south of Sammamish

30:56 ↗ Parkway so I would argue if you're

30:59 ↗ looking for a signature point for a

31:01 ↗ gateway those are the two areas it

31:03 ↗ really should concentrate on it and

31:05 ↗ there may be some sort of transitions

31:07 ↗ coming off of Newport or office of some

31:10 ↗ of the other streets but any thought

31:14 ↗ about that because I think it is

31:16 ↗ important to get gateways but they've

31:17 ↗ got to be meaningful and we can suggest

31:19 ↗ some ways of how to created a

31:21 ↗ significant gateway if that's something

31:24 ↗ we should be pushing for it has a little

31:27 ↗ time couple couple comments on the guide

31:29 ↗ yeah I like the idea of Gilman Boulevard

31:32 ↗ being the signature street I don't know

31:34 ↗ where else would put it I think people

31:37 ↗ associate front street you know and you

31:40 ↗ know Old Town section with the image of

31:43 ↗ is equality currently and we're talking

31:46 ↗ about the future the distant future and

31:48 ↗ on some of this thinking right now

31:49 ↗ so it's kind of what do we want it to be

31:51 ↗ I think that there are a couple of

31:53 ↗ challenges with Gilman one is it is

31:56 ↗ handling a lot of traffic and it has to

31:59 ↗ go somewhere and when it goes somewhere

32:01 ↗ it creates more congestion wherever it

32:03 ↗ goes and so that's an impact of the

32:04 ↗ community that obviously has to be

32:05 ↗ analyzed and try to figure out where

32:07 ↗ that gives and takes the other is and we

32:09 ↗ ran into it on the Atlas project if

32:11 ↗ there are some environmental challenges

32:13 ↗ with bringing buildings up to Gilman

32:16 ↗ Boulevard on the south side because

32:18 ↗ there's a big drainage that runs through

32:19 ↗ there and so that's going to offer some

32:22 ↗ I think some some challenges to try to

32:24 ↗ figure out how to deal with that to

32:26 ↗ allow for buildings to essentially come

32:29 ↗ up to face the street that's quite

32:32 ↗ create that kind of more interesting

32:33 ↗ pedestrian environment as far as this is

32:36 ↗ the Gateway yeah I like the ideas of

32:41 ↗ gateways it's kind of sets it frames the

32:43 ↗ the image the experience that people are

32:45 ↗ about ready to have or that they've had

32:47 ↗ on the way out cuz gateways for kind of

32:49 ↗ both ways the challenge at highway 900

32:54 ↗ is that's a huge intersection up there

32:56 ↗ that's having a lot of traffic a lot of

32:59 ↗ regional traffic that's going through

33:00 ↗ there so it would require a lot of

33:03 ↗ thinking and probably significant

33:05 ↗ investment actually make a statement at

33:07 ↗ that location a little easier to do it

33:10 ↗ down at the Front Street intersection or

33:13 ↗ where you leave Front Street and move on

33:15 ↗ to Gilman Boulevard I think there are

33:17 ↗ some good opportunities there to make an

33:19 ↗ interesting gateway statement right

33:21 ↗ because we don't know what that would be

33:23 ↗ but it's something we can think about no

33:25 ↗ back to the the map there the one at

33:29 ↗ Front Street

33:30 ↗ so last week at the Planning Policy

33:32 ↗ Commission meeting they were discussing

33:34 ↗ the Old Town sub area planned and there

33:37 ↗ was discussion about where the Gateway

33:40 ↗ to that should be because the they were

33:42 ↗ talking about actually lopping off there

33:45 ↗ was a proposal to reduce the Old Town

33:48 ↗ area further south you moved the

33:50 ↗ entrance further south essentially

33:51 ↗ toward the creek was I think the

33:53 ↗ Commission recommended not doing that

33:55 ↗ and keeping the north barrier up towards

33:59 ↗ where staples was up towards Gilman and

34:01 ↗ there was discussion about where the

34:03 ↗ gateway to Old Town was it would be

34:07 ↗ interesting then to think could there be

34:08 ↗ a like a double gateway the Sacco

34:11 ↗ Old Town and the Gilman to Gateway

34:13 ↗ starting at the same location yeah I

34:16 ↗ have one more comment about the gateways

34:18 ↗ if I can jump in there real quick so I

34:20 ↗ would argue that there's there's this

34:22 ↗ third gateway though I like what this

34:24 ↗ does to connect the south side but what

34:26 ↗ about what about is your heading to East

34:29 ↗ Lake Sammamish there if you're going to

34:31 ↗ or from and you know at Pickering it

34:34 ↗ feels like you know develop developments

34:37 ↗ moving that way and it has a very

34:39 ↗ different quality over there so how do

34:41 ↗ we bring that quality sir yeah exactly

34:44 ↗ how do we bring that quality the

34:46 ↗ qualities that will define you know

34:49 ↗ being more characteristic with front

34:51 ↗ street etc but how do we draw you up

34:53 ↗ that way and also let you know you're

34:56 ↗ leaving or you've come into Issaquah

34:58 ↗ yeah so I think it's a good comment and

35:01 ↗ I think we can take a look a little bit

35:03 ↗ more on that as well okay okay so I just

35:07 ↗ yeah go ahead one more thing on Gilman

35:10 ↗ this is absolutely not data supported

35:13 ↗ but I think there was a pretty clearly

35:16 ↗ some citizen concern about Front Street

35:19 ↗ when it was being redone for the water

35:21 ↗ main a lot of folks didn't understand

35:23 ↗ that there was a infrastructure

35:24 ↗ maintenance issue that resulted in a lot

35:26 ↗ of the trees being taken down and now

35:28 ↗ the plan is to put them back but Gilman

35:31 ↗ the trees that have been there the fruit

35:35 ↗ trees and the nut trees and so on that

35:38 ↗ we've been planted there that are public

35:39 ↗ that people can go harvest now I I would

35:43 ↗ have I think this is a great plan from

35:45 ↗ what we've seen so far but I I would

35:48 ↗ suggest that preservation of those is

35:51 ↗ going to be important regardless of how

35:56 ↗ this goes and if they have to be taken

35:58 ↗ down it's going to there's going to be a

36:00 ↗ pretty clear statement about what's

36:01 ↗ going to yeah all that's going to be

36:03 ↗ accommodated it and I think the issue is

36:06 ↗ when we think about this there's no

36:08 ↗ concept drawn up for this but I don't

36:10 ↗ think it's a one-size-fits-all for the

36:12 ↗ entire roadway I think for many segments

36:15 ↗ of it it may be as it is today but as

36:18 ↗ you hit what we are going to call I'll

36:19 ↗ show you a little bit later hubs it may

36:22 ↗ change more significantly so then we

36:25 ↗ look at the off-street multi-use trail

36:28 ↗ systems on your on the outer loops and

36:30 ↗ then on these inner loops so special on

36:33 ↗ Gilman can think of it in terms of

36:35 ↗ complete Street facilities that is

36:38 ↗ similar to this this is a design we did

36:40 ↗ in for 152nd Street in Redmond that goes

36:44 ↗ to Microsoft into the light rail station

36:46 ↗ it was four lanes suburban roadway very

36:49 ↗ much like Gilman knocked it down to

36:53 ↗ three and the development is actually

36:54 ↗ being built on the right side it's

36:56 ↗ project called as Tara right now has

36:58 ↗ been built in the city's building the

37:00 ↗ the piece on the left side fairly soon

37:02 ↗ as well so these things do happen on

37:05 ↗ these roadways so this may not be at all

37:07 ↗ what you want it to look like they just

37:09 ↗ give you a sense of it can't happen

37:11 ↗ where you've got pet pedestrian bicycle

37:14 ↗ and auto traffic all mixing in the same

37:16 ↗ and also there's a rapid bus system on

37:18 ↗ this as well so moving on then to talk

37:22 ↗ about transit and so the the thing on

37:26 ↗ this is to keep in mind is that there's

37:28 ↗ a you know that's t3 and it really at

37:32 ↗ this point is a dashed on line on the

37:35 ↗ run on the map and the question is how

37:37 ↗ do you get ahead of this because this is

37:40 ↗ you know it's a corridor and there's

37:42 ↗ bubbles identified four possible station

37:45 ↗ locations and so what we've done is we

37:48 ↗ do a lot of fans that work in fact we're

37:49 ↗ just starting a new project in the Twin

37:51 ↗ Cities and looking at ten stations an

37:53 ↗ entire corridor and designing and doing

37:56 ↗ the development around that and so we

37:59 ↗ get a sense of what the transit agencies

38:01 ↗ want to do and you see that little red

38:02 ↗ box up there the key is to do this

38:05 ↗ maximize ridership so you really need to

38:08 ↗ hit the destinations that you have today

38:09 ↗ like Park and Ride and you really want

38:13 ↗ to take advantage of like Costco because

38:14 ↗ that's a lot of employment so that gets

38:17 ↗ a lot of people off the roadway you want

38:20 ↗ to minimize costs you want to find that

38:22 ↗ cheapest route as possible

38:24 ↗ and you want to minimize impacts so you

38:27 ↗ want to avoid taking out buildings

38:30 ↗ taking out and crossing sensitive areas

38:34 ↗ or making traffic conditions worse at

38:37 ↗ major intersections so here's a real

38:41 ↗ quick shot at this and this is a subject

38:43 ↗ obviously to change that having done

38:45 ↗ enough this work we think that you've

38:48 ↗ got an option here that you can take

38:50 ↗ advantage of all those things so we're

38:52 ↗ suggesting is that the alignment is

38:54 ↗ probably going to come along i-90

38:56 ↗ looking at the diagrams and the in the

38:59 ↗ the diagrams always show just a line

39:01 ↗ coming in - it's a quad and probably go

39:03 ↗ into the park and ride and we're

39:07 ↗ suggesting maybe to avoid any complex or

39:10 ↗ disturbance along this intersection you

39:12 ↗ run it on the backs

39:13 ↗ item hila outside of the wetlands of

39:17 ↗ course that you need about 35 37 fee for

39:20 ↗ a trackway and cross up and over you've

39:23 ↗ got a substation there plus y over the

39:26 ↗ top and get to you multimodal station

39:29 ↗ and tie the buses the park and ride all

39:31 ↗ into one station come all the way back

39:34 ↗ down over to 12th and go over to Tibbets

39:38 ↗ and have another station cross over to

39:42 ↗ the freeway and have a terminus station

39:45 ↗ at Costco so the assumption is sometimes

39:49 ↗ is that I only get one station that you

39:51 ↗ have the the the the privilege of being

39:55 ↗ at the end of the line and when we

39:58 ↗ looked at downtown Redmond we did the

40:00 ↗ same thing we did a thing that we call

40:02 ↗ the boomerang we went past downtown

40:04 ↗ Redmond went to a park and ride and came

40:07 ↗ directly back into the downtown and

40:10 ↗ that's under design right now and we did

40:12 ↗ that work in 2005 way before st3 so this

40:17 ↗ may be just one of the options that you

40:19 ↗ need to look at but I think the the

40:21 ↗ point of this is it's best to get ahead

40:24 ↗ of the ballgame and be proactive rather

40:27 ↗ than reactive when you start talking

40:29 ↗ about light rail and this would have a

40:32 ↗ lot of benefits for you so those are the

40:35 ↗ three stations that I just mentioned and

40:38 ↗ and around the Pickering station you can

40:42 ↗ then develop what's called transitory

40:44 ↗ and development district and really

40:46 ↗ trust try to create some value with that

40:48 ↗ area a question yes I sir I could be

40:53 ↗ absolutely could be wrong in this but it

40:55 ↗ seems to me that in the first meeting

40:57 ↗ that we had with you folks I thought you

41:00 ↗ were pretty strongly in favor of putting

41:04 ↗ this terminus to this in the highlands I

41:07 ↗ thought all of the folks said that that

41:09 ↗ would be the only logical place to do it

41:11 ↗ well we're just saying it's just

41:12 ↗ following the map that they've given us

41:15 ↗ today which doesn't go to the highlands

41:17 ↗ so if you want to go to the highlands

41:19 ↗ that's another option and so I think

41:21 ↗ going to the highlands is also a very

41:24 ↗ strong idea as well so I'm just saying

41:26 ↗ this is one

41:27 ↗ I needs to be looked at and so the value

41:30 ↗ of this jealously for the central

41:34 ↗ Issaquah you can do you can create a Tod

41:36 ↗ and that is really is when you see this

41:39 ↗ fried egg pattern it really achieves

41:41 ↗ mostly the the the objectives that you

41:44 ↗ have today was having increased density

41:46 ↗ and more urban setting and it really

41:48 ↗ becomes an impetus for a lot of

41:50 ↗ development and there's some benefits of

41:53 ↗ this by doing the the Tod you see that

41:56 ↗ list of things to get increased

41:57 ↗ ridership you get fewer and shorter auto

41:59 ↗ trips and the one that is really hidden

42:03 ↗ is you get increased property values

42:05 ↗ when you get a light rail station

42:07 ↗ typically you get at least a 10%

42:10 ↗ increase in value when you get a station

42:12 ↗ in your neighborhood and so when we're

42:14 ↗ looking at tipping points to do things

42:17 ↗ like structured parking or other things

42:19 ↗ that you would like to see in your

42:21 ↗ development area that the developers are

42:24 ↗ not really reticent reticent to do today

42:26 ↗ because they just they can't make the

42:29 ↗ numbers work so if you can increase the

42:31 ↗ value of the property you start getting

42:32 ↗ a different urban form as well and

42:35 ↗ there's this other tip you get health

42:38 ↗ benefits and economic villainess and

42:40 ↗ it's a makes it unique and different

42:42 ↗ than everything else placemaking so what

42:45 ↗ we've tried to do is then take a look at

42:47 ↗ how you'd interpret that diagram onto

42:49 ↗ this plan itself so you see that quarter

42:52 ↗ mile that's a five-minute walk so that's

42:54 ↗ most of the Tibbets area and part of the

42:57 ↗ part of gilman as well and then we do

43:00 ↗ something else we call mobility or a

43:01 ↗ district where we try to connect two

43:03 ↗ stations with a bike system to increase

43:07 ↗ access to transit in a bike ride a mile

43:11 ↗ ways also five minutes so the timing is

43:14 ↗ important because people start choosing

43:17 ↗ different modes if their trip lengths

43:19 ↗ too long so and then you get that help

43:24 ↗ that I just pointed out as well so

43:27 ↗ that's that's something to think about

43:30 ↗ because I think that's something that

43:31 ↗ wasn't anticipated in the central Ithaca

43:34 ↗ plan and and would be something that

43:36 ↗ needs to be updated as part of the plan

43:38 ↗ in the future and that's this is one

43:40 ↗ option but you may have a couple of

43:43 ↗ those as was the different as well

43:45 ↗ actually make a couple comments on that

43:47 ↗ we're Americans so I agree when the

43:51 ↗ central Issaquah plan was developed the

43:54 ↗ sp3 wasn't on the radar yet and now that

43:58 ↗ it's been passed and Issaquah is

44:00 ↗ designated as a destination for light

44:02 ↗ rail so so that in in station area

44:06 ↗ planning and what you're just talking

44:08 ↗ about at a high level is you know within

44:09 ↗ the walk shed and etc and doing

44:12 ↗ different types of development transit

44:14 ↗ oriented development opportunities and

44:19 ↗ so the question is about timing because

44:21 ↗ you could say well we could think about

44:23 ↗ it now but probably have to do it later

44:24 ↗ you really need to think about how do we

44:26 ↗ anticipate what that will do to

44:30 ↗ development in the city and then as

44:33 ↗ we're working through the update that's

44:35 ↗ happening now build in the tools that

44:37 ↗ will help us more effectively prepare

44:39 ↗ for light rail when it when it really

44:41 ↗ starts to become the conversation with

44:44 ↗ Sound Transit about where these stations

44:46 ↗ are going to be what kinds of costs are

44:48 ↗ associated with this you know what does

44:50 ↗ this whether the city's preferences etc

44:52 ↗ because if you're not thinking ahead and

44:55 ↗ preparing the city it actually gives you

44:57 ↗ more leverage if you're saying we've got

44:59 ↗ a plan for how we want the city to grow

45:01 ↗ and we've considered the light rail

45:04 ↗ factor here and this is what we want to

45:06 ↗ do and so it brings you into a better I

45:10 ↗ think negotiating place but it's it's

45:12 ↗ hard to do it now because it's so

45:14 ↗ preliminary but it is you know thinking

45:16 ↗ ahead like you said how do we put in

45:18 ↗ place the tools and or the areas of the

45:21 ↗ city where we can anticipate making

45:23 ↗ those quick adjustments to increase

45:26 ↗ density through Tod maybe reduce parking

45:29 ↗ as a result of easy access now to

45:30 ↗ transit there probably will be a need

45:33 ↗ for additional parking structures

45:34 ↗ because you begin tracking all this

45:36 ↗ traffic from the east that will come to

45:38 ↗ the light rail stations and then want to

45:39 ↗ get on and ride so you've got a lot of a

45:41 ↗ lot of pieces to really think about that

45:43 ↗ our big pieces that you've got to build

45:45 ↗ into the plan and and I you said it

45:48 ↗ better than me so and I think that's

45:50 ↗ really the point of this is to get ahead

45:52 ↗ of it

45:53 ↗ and be able to use it to inform the

45:57 ↗ development of the this district and and

46:01 ↗ figure out what are the other

46:02 ↗ infrastructure needs that you need as

46:04 ↗ well and so that's why I'd like to

46:07 ↗ follow up on Mike's question do you can

46:09 ↗ you give us some of your experience on

46:12 ↗ on what the differences if any might be

46:14 ↗ between a transit station that is a

46:18 ↗ terminus and a transit station that's in

46:21 ↗ the middle of the line in terms of

46:24 ↗ parking requirements well you're going

46:26 ↗ to because Commissioner Brennan's point

46:28 ↗ I think is extremely salient that that

46:31 ↗ the anticipation here is that we're

46:34 ↗ probably going to need more parking for

46:37 ↗ a given station than somebody that's in

46:40 ↗ the middle of the run and this is going

46:43 ↗ from the neighborhood because we're

46:44 ↗ going to get north then we're going to

46:45 ↗ get covington we're going to get a lot

46:47 ↗ of these places that are going to come

46:49 ↗ in it it depends it depends on what

46:53 ↗ origin and destination people have

46:55 ↗ because it relates to travel time and

46:59 ↗ trip lengths so because what we we

47:02 ↗ looked at what we're doing

47:04 ↗ tend to change modes so they're going to

47:09 ↗ drive in as close as they can to reduce

47:12 ↗ their travel time so it's not

47:14 ↗ necessarily the best place always to put

47:18 ↗ the park-and-ride at the invitation

47:20 ↗ because if people can drive through and

47:23 ↗ get on closer to their final destination

47:28 ↗ that might be the place where you have a

47:30 ↗ need for a park-and-ride rather than at

47:34 ↗ the very end so that's it's a bigger

47:37 ↗ discussion about what the origin and

47:38 ↗ destination is on our regionally but

47:41 ↗ fundamentally you do need a significant

47:44 ↗ park-and-ride at the end because you

47:46 ↗ have people coming from outer areas so

47:49 ↗ you're right about that but it may not

47:51 ↗ be the most significant parking right in

47:53 ↗ the region but the reality is there's a

47:56 ↗ big site already here for a

47:59 ↗ park-and-ride lot and is simply could

48:01 ↗ get bigger so there's no doubt about

48:03 ↗ that you can accommodate a heck of a lot

48:06 ↗ more cars

48:06 ↗ On The Sound Transit's site today and

48:08 ↗ it's located where you want it it's on a

48:11 ↗ state highway off of a freeway

48:12 ↗ intersection it's not in the middle of

48:14 ↗ your community so strategically it's in

48:17 ↗ the right place for you and you know

48:19 ↗ looking at all the people going down a

48:21 ↗ Maple Valley and everybody else south of

48:24 ↗ here you know it's it's not a bad place

48:26 ↗ to put it so although I would propose

48:31 ↗ have been perhaps we would want to focus

48:35 ↗ Metro on putting Park and Ride lots a a

48:37 ↗ highway teen and i-90 and maybe in

48:40 ↗ Preston develop places there those

48:43 ↗ people can park there take a shuttle the

48:45 ↗ transit station here so that all of that

48:47 ↗ traffic doesn't come in this assay might

48:49 ↗ get some of that but again it's but

48:51 ↗ every time I have to tranche ange mode

48:54 ↗ it's a discouragement of traffic so if

48:56 ↗ I've got to go wait for a shuttle bus

48:57 ↗ yeah 18 minutes but I don't want to the

49:00 ↗ Train I don't want to feel like I did

49:02 ↗ I'm doing this to make it convenient for

49:05 ↗ North Bend commuters to come in so the

49:08 ↗ other thing to think about this long

49:09 ↗ term is what we call a reverse commute

49:11 ↗ where if you create a center here a true

49:15 ↗ the center you'll find people actually

49:18 ↗ coming from the West and coming the

49:21 ↗ other direction so if Costco grows for

49:24 ↗ example as more employment so you're

49:26 ↗ going to have people and having an

49:28 ↗ opposite commute if this really becomes

49:30 ↗ a really successful district that's

49:32 ↗ envision is having a lot of jobs in this

49:34 ↗ area as well so there's some other

49:36 ↗ benefits as well so that we could have a

49:39 ↗ long discussion by transit and now that

49:41 ↗ we can go on that but I want to keep

49:43 ↗ rolling here a bit so the next guiding

49:46 ↗ principle is about housing and trying to

49:49 ↗ get take advantage of development and

49:52 ↗ I'm thinking I'm getting this right is

49:54 ↗ to get more development in your existing

49:56 ↗ commercial sites and anticipating those

49:59 ↗ turnover a time and those are prime

50:01 ↗ areas for redevelopment in the central

50:03 ↗ let's go plan at the end so what we did

50:06 ↗ is we had a discussion with Keith and

50:09 ↗ and Lucie about this and had and also

50:14 ↗ just our observations to say where was

50:17 ↗ the likelihood of getting any commercial

50:19 ↗ development there

50:20 ↗ what we identify the areas that are

50:22 ↗ stable so those are our areas own red

50:24 ↗ generally and the map might be off a

50:26 ↗ little bit but generally we think that

50:29 ↗ you know not going to see because the

50:30 ↗ development agreement in the solidity of

50:32 ↗ Costco that's not going to go and some

50:35 ↗ of the areas on the edge like the the

50:37 ↗ Sammamish corporate properties that's

50:40 ↗ probably going to be there for a while

50:41 ↗ so what we were looking for is there is

50:44 ↗ that will turnover in the next 10 15

50:48 ↗ years a maximum and so if I lined those

50:51 ↗ in blue and look for those shopping

50:53 ↗ center so you can obviously you know

50:55 ↗ this but it's mostly just for our

50:58 ↗ knowledge as well to say where are the

51:01 ↗ areas that you could get new development

51:03 ↗ in and it's considerable there's a lot

51:05 ↗ of areas whether it's infill and Gilman

51:08 ↗ or its incremental as part of the rally

51:11 ↗ a development agreement or maybe large

51:13 ↗ full-scale redevelopment of like the the

51:16 ↗ Fred Meyer and the Home Depot areas over

51:19 ↗ time there's opportunity to really

51:22 ↗ change the form of this area to get it

51:25 ↗ away from strip centers to an urban

51:26 ↗ format so the thing that struck us

51:31 ↗ especially when we start looking at the

51:34 ↗ development patterns that you're getting

51:36 ↗ right now and not hit Atlas over the

51:39 ↗ head again but what is lacking there is

51:42 ↗ a grid and what is as a result of that

51:46 ↗ grid you're getting an apartment complex

51:48 ↗ and you get monotony about it and what

51:52 ↗ the grid does it creates smaller

51:54 ↗ development parcels in really

51:57 ↗ disciplines the developer to create more

52:00 ↗ variety rather than a saying I have a

52:03 ↗ large site and I can repeat the same

52:05 ↗ thing over and over again so that's one

52:09 ↗ of the values of that and so the second

52:12 ↗ value of it is from a traffic standpoint

52:14 ↗ the most important part of this you're

52:16 ↗ not loading all your traffic onto your

52:20 ↗ arterial and collector streets but you

52:22 ↗ can diffuse it and spread it out on

52:24 ↗ multiple points throughout your

52:26 ↗ community so you don't have to widen

52:28 ↗ every roadway every time you get a

52:30 ↗ development you can spread it out

52:33 ↗ and we can create a more compact

52:36 ↗ development pattern outside we can

52:38 ↗ create more complete streets and really

52:40 ↗ then it gives you an ability to have

52:43 ↗ more 18-hour activity on the smaller

52:45 ↗ scale streets rather than these big

52:47 ↗ arterial roadways so the the next step

52:51 ↗ that we looked at is to say alright so

52:53 ↗ if we want to do a grid is there a local

52:55 ↗ model that we'd want to follow and for

52:59 ↗ are there opportunities where we can do

53:00 ↗ that grid so the first thing we said

53:03 ↗ there yeah you do you've got some of the

53:05 ↗ areas on the southern part of Gilman and

53:07 ↗ into your old old town that you do have

53:09 ↗ a grid today so it's not importing

53:11 ↗ something from someplace else you do

53:13 ↗ have a grid and so we started looking at

53:17 ↗ the grid and all 10 is that is there

53:20 ↗ something we can learn from this that we

53:23 ↗ should be maybe if we would Institute a

53:25 ↗ grid and central is Takota that maybe we

53:28 ↗ should be replicated and so we looked at

53:30 ↗ the dimensions and said alright are

53:32 ↗ these the kind of dimensions that you'd

53:36 ↗ want to see for medium or higher density

53:39 ↗ development and reality is some of your

53:42 ↗ blocks are probably too long for that

53:43 ↗ kind of development because you're going

53:45 ↗ to get these complexes again it's just

53:47 ↗ too big so typically we'd like to see

53:50 ↗ something like 240 by 240 and there's

53:53 ↗ some blocks that you see here that that

53:55 ↗ would do that so we think generally we'd

53:58 ↗ like to see no block longer than 400

54:00 ↗ feet and a minimum width about 240 feet

54:04 ↗ because that is a really efficient for

54:05 ↗ parking and gives the ability to develop

54:08 ↗ at any building type that you can think

54:11 ↗ of so with that we looked at those

54:14 ↗ purple areas and said those areas are

54:16 ↗ super blocks with large-scale commercial

54:19 ↗ parcels can we as a planning exercise

54:22 ↗ divvy these up into a grid so the first

54:25 ↗ thing we looked at is if you've got a

54:27 ↗ series of parcels that has a series of

54:32 ↗ three acre areas that you see here and

54:36 ↗ what are the the current requirements

54:38 ↗ for the central district LaPlante

54:40 ↗ currently there is no requirement for

54:44 ↗ grid at all the

54:45 ↗ there is some access requirements and it

54:47 ↗ is mostly in regard to providing

54:51 ↗ pedestrian access at a maximum with

54:55 ↗ distances between pedestrian access

54:57 ↗ through parcel at 250 feet and as I see

55:01 ↗ the diagram that I have here there's no

55:04 ↗ requirement that any of those greenways

55:06 ↗ line up or connect to each other as well

55:09 ↗ so they're discontinuous they're

55:12 ↗ incremental and often they go nowhere

55:15 ↗ and so the idea is can we change this to

55:18 ↗ give you something that is more rational

55:20 ↗ rational rational and more urban so what

55:25 ↗ we then did is to look at that typical

55:29 ↗ development pattern and say what happens

55:31 ↗ if you were to grid it up and you create

55:34 ↗ blocks that were typically about 240 by

55:37 ↗ 240 and then you created a circulation

55:40 ↗ pattern in between that so you've got a

55:43 ↗ grid and so while we also suggested is

55:46 ↗ that even at 240 block is too big and

55:49 ↗ you probably still want to institute a

55:51 ↗ pedestrian or an access way so this

55:54 ↗ could be what would be called a mu or

55:57 ↗ lunar or some sort of street that you

55:59 ↗ could get to parking that you could also

56:01 ↗ walk through it could change anywhere

56:03 ↗ that you see the green and so we looked

56:06 ↗ at the percentage of street to

56:09 ↗ development area is about 60/40

56:11 ↗ that's pretty urban suburban developers

56:14 ↗ that's high for them so typically when

56:18 ↗ you get this sort of relationship

56:19 ↗ they're going to look for some sort of

56:21 ↗ incentive or some sort of way of the

56:26 ↗ city doing a public-private partnership

56:28 ↗ to build some of the infrastructure and

56:30 ↗ lots of City to want to do grids to do

56:33 ↗ that they actually build the streets and

56:35 ↗ and then the developers are responsible

56:38 ↗ for the private development so that's

56:42 ↗ kind of the grid concept so using that

56:45 ↗ concept we then overlaid that idea into

56:49 ↗ those blue areas that I identified here

56:52 ↗ and this is the grid that we have so

56:55 ↗ instead of all these super blocks the

56:58 ↗ idea here is to

56:59 ↗ at a grid and be somewhat prescriptive

57:02 ↗ about this grid again no block longer

57:06 ↗ than 400 feet no block narrower than 240

57:09 ↗ feet so that you can then not

57:11 ↗ necessarily say this is exactly what

57:13 ↗ it's got to be but at least you got a

57:16 ↗ vision and a plan to say this is

57:18 ↗ generally what we're looking for and and

57:21 ↗ not every of these streets has to be

57:23 ↗ paved it could be a green street it

57:26 ↗ could be just simply just a green way

57:27 ↗ through the middle but you do want to

57:29 ↗ have this sort of slicing and dicing

57:32 ↗ that's up so it's more consistent with

57:34 ↗ your Old Town so we're getting a little

57:38 ↗ jumping around with our slides here for

57:40 ↗ the entrants are well to the computer so

57:43 ↗ then we look at the the next guiding

57:47 ↗ principle was economic develop vitality

57:49 ↗ and what we focused in on this one was

57:53 ↗ about mixed-use projects and this idea

57:56 ↗ about words the right place

57:58 ↗ to get the right mix of uses whether

58:00 ↗ it's horizontally or vertically and then

58:04 ↗ overlay that on top of that grid so we

58:07 ↗ started off with the thing that we think

58:10 ↗ is the hardest part to get right and is

58:13 ↗ probably the most important in

58:16 ↗ developing a vital district and that is

58:20 ↗ retail because retail needs to be on

58:24 ↗ busy streets really busy streets 5,000

58:26 ↗ trips not more than 15,000 for

58:28 ↗ neighborhood oriented retail and and it

58:32 ↗ really should be the focus for each

58:33 ↗ district so we're calling these

58:35 ↗ neighbourhoods serving retail hubs and

58:38 ↗ so the suggestion is on the ground floor

58:41 ↗ of these blocks adjacent to for example

58:44 ↗ in Gilman or a major street that for

58:48 ↗ example up here this is a commemorative

58:50 ↗ Street you've already started developing

58:52 ↗ a kind of a street oriented retail

58:53 ↗ approach up here that these are where

58:56 ↗ you would have requirements for retail

58:59 ↗ you would require that there is

59:02 ↗ ground-floor retail on those frontages

59:05 ↗ and they would be as I mentioned before

59:09 ↗ have a different character so one could

59:12 ↗ be

59:12 ↗ transit-oriented there might be a

59:15 ↗ specialty hub over here in the 10th

59:17 ↗ Street and maybe this can combines with

59:20 ↗ maybe some of the stuff over off a

59:22 ↗ Gillman village so that has a different

59:23 ↗ character so that doesn't have to be all

59:26 ↗ the same type of retail that it should

59:30 ↗ be street oriented and pedestrian

59:31 ↗ oriented in those areas and with this in

59:34 ↗ mind you would have enough assurances to

59:37 ↗ require a developer if they're going to

59:39 ↗ do mixed-use retail at a building that

59:42 ↗ they do it here and you'd have

59:44 ↗ confidence that it would be viable any

59:49 ↗ questions about that piece at all

59:50 ↗ because this is a pretty big deal if

59:52 ↗ we're going to talk about this signature

59:54 ↗ street we do need to have hubs with

59:58 ↗ curbside parking with retail wide

1:00:01 ↗ sidewalks places for outdoor dining

1:00:03 ↗ after cafes within these areas within

1:00:07 ↗ these sections of the roadway you might

1:00:09 ↗ leave the roadway as it is today so it

1:00:12 ↗ may be it's green portal you leave it

1:00:14 ↗ alone but once you hit these little

1:00:17 ↗ downtown's if you will these little

1:00:19 ↗ neighborhood centers it becomes slower

1:00:22 ↗ to lane traffic curb side parking it's

1:00:25 ↗ more like going down on Front Street and

1:00:27 ↗ it's just a smaller version of that

1:00:29 ↗ um cushions very the I get the make the

1:00:33 ↗ impression that the City Council is

1:00:35 ↗ would would look at this and think

1:00:37 ↗ that's not many retail hubs dumb any

1:00:39 ↗ places where we're requiring retail I

1:00:43 ↗ guess if somebody asked that question

1:00:45 ↗ what would beer I would say this would

1:00:47 ↗ be required that you would not limit it

1:00:50 ↗ to other areas right these are the areas

1:00:52 ↗ that you would say it's important to get

1:00:55 ↗ it and you have to do it but if you want

1:00:57 ↗ to build more of it go for right but

1:00:59 ↗ this would be a sufficient for required

1:01:02 ↗ areas to to create these centers in and

1:01:05 ↗ to achieve the objectives for each of

1:01:07 ↗ these districts that you've laid out

1:01:09 ↗ because all of these have these ideas

1:01:11 ↗ about having an 18-hour environment

1:01:14 ↗ activity and the retail will give you

1:01:17 ↗ that and then the other piece of this is

1:01:19 ↗ to say with these hubs you want to

1:01:23 ↗ encourage housing or office above but

1:01:25 ↗ it's not net

1:01:26 ↗ - sorry - require it so you want the

1:01:29 ↗ retail the retail here is most important

1:01:32 ↗ not necessarily getting a mixed-use

1:01:34 ↗ building I can't you can't hear you

1:01:46 ↗ my dad will come up here chase you have

1:01:54 ↗ an aggregate of the commercial uses in

1:01:56 ↗ these specific areas and so this model

1:01:58 ↗ really replicates something that is

1:02:00 ↗ tried and true and we see it throughout

1:02:02 ↗ the region we see it through Portland as

1:02:04 ↗ well and the real is if you follow the

1:02:08 ↗ news retail is changing a lot you know

1:02:10 ↗ you're getting the online the big boxes

1:02:12 ↗ that's going to change a lot and the

1:02:14 ↗ stuff that is strong still it's a street

1:02:16 ↗ oriented neighborhood stuff so I this

1:02:21 ↗ again is getting ahead of the curve like

1:02:23 ↗ the light rail if you start planning for

1:02:25 ↗ the changing of the retail environment

1:02:27 ↗ you you can deal with some of these was

1:02:29 ↗ often called ghost box sites very early

1:02:33 ↗ the next part of this then to think

1:02:36 ↗ about this mixed-use is what are you

1:02:38 ↗ going to put your office and employment

1:02:40 ↗ needs of the commercial uses and of what

1:02:43 ↗ we can define is that they want to be on

1:02:46 ↗ a what we call an addressing street they

1:02:49 ↗ want to be on one hundred Broadway you

1:02:51 ↗ always hear these kind of addresses and

1:02:52 ↗ so you're even seeing it today with your

1:02:56 ↗ development so for example the the

1:02:58 ↗ Sammamish parkway it's on a arterial

1:03:00 ↗ roadway so the places were in or even

1:03:03 ↗ here and Heil

1:03:04 ↗ there are you've got an employment use

1:03:06 ↗ is on the bigger roadways that's a good

1:03:09 ↗ model to keep going to so to really

1:03:11 ↗ start saying let's concentrate on your

1:03:14 ↗ employment uses on the corridors and

1:03:17 ↗ also in addition to that if you've got

1:03:19 ↗ people who are going to coming into your

1:03:21 ↗ community for employment they're not

1:03:23 ↗ getting into this middle core they're

1:03:26 ↗ staying on the big roads and then going

1:03:28 ↗ into parking structures instead of

1:03:30 ↗ driving through your districts so you're

1:03:32 ↗ keeping them on the big roads instead of

1:03:35 ↗ in inducing them to go in through your

1:03:38 ↗ neighborhoods

1:03:39 ↗ yeah I have a question about so as a

1:03:41 ↗ requirement could you give us an example

1:03:44 ↗ of how what the wording would be of

1:03:47 ↗ requirement so that when a prospective

1:03:50 ↗ applicant or developer looks at it what

1:03:53 ↗ is what is the wording generally going

1:03:55 ↗ to say I think that needs to be worked

1:03:58 ↗ out but typically I would say within one

1:04:02 ↗ block of the arterial roadways for Hilah

1:04:06 ↗ for example from I 92 to Newport it

1:04:12 ↗ needs to retail we required within one

1:04:16 ↗ block of highway 18 there's no there's

1:04:21 ↗ no description of type of type of retail

1:04:29 ↗ or floor so minimum minimum floor space

1:04:33 ↗ no I think you can you can overdo it so

1:04:37 ↗ I think the intent of this is really is

1:04:39 ↗ to to really try to streamline it and

1:04:42 ↗ give you the ability to address it in

1:04:45 ↗ any number of ways but your objective is

1:04:48 ↗ still for example you're doing retail

1:04:49 ↗ you want to have that storefronts up to

1:04:51 ↗ the street and now you want to regulate

1:04:54 ↗ the character of that storefront on the

1:04:55 ↗ street as well and we can get into that

1:04:57 ↗ later about how you do that but this is

1:05:00 ↗ just a basic framework to tune to start

1:05:04 ↗ saying if I want mixed uses where did it

1:05:06 ↗ go because it's been sort of a moving

1:05:08 ↗ target and there's been this sort of

1:05:11 ↗ ongoing discussion that you could put

1:05:13 ↗ anything anywhere as long as I can get

1:05:15 ↗ the performer of the work and what we're

1:05:17 ↗ trying to do is just really to say we

1:05:19 ↗ you don't need to worry about that you

1:05:21 ↗ need to go to where you're going to be

1:05:23 ↗ successful through a mapping and an

1:05:25 ↗ urban design framework process rather

1:05:28 ↗ than getting into that detail on a

1:05:30 ↗ project-by-project basis would it limit

1:05:33 ↗ an applicant's ability to put retail if

1:05:37 ↗ they'd want to do it it's it's adjacent

1:05:39 ↗ to that or a block away from it or

1:05:41 ↗ whatever so the idea is not to say that

1:05:44 ↗ somebody can't do something that if

1:05:46 ↗ you're going to say you want to have

1:05:48 ↗ office this is where you want to require

1:05:51 ↗ it

1:05:52 ↗ because we know that it'd be successful

1:05:55 ↗ there because the next piece of this is

1:05:57 ↗ to talk about housing and talk about

1:06:00 ↗ where do you want to add housing and so

1:06:03 ↗ what you really want to do is you want

1:06:05 ↗ to get housing in these areas you want

1:06:07 ↗ to have an improv simha t2 parks because

1:06:10 ↗ in an urban situation people don't have

1:06:12 ↗ backyards your densities when you're

1:06:14 ↗ talking to your typical development now

1:06:16 ↗ is around 40 units an acre people are

1:06:18 ↗ looking for more than just a court in

1:06:21 ↗ their development they need a park and

1:06:23 ↗ the kind of the rule of thumb is for

1:06:25 ↗ urban density you don't want to be more

1:06:28 ↗ than three blocks away from an urban

1:06:30 ↗ amenity whether it's a trail a taut-line

1:06:32 ↗ Park a mini park you need to have a

1:06:35 ↗ green within three blocks of you so that

1:06:38 ↗ really becomes the focus for each

1:06:40 ↗ neighborhood you got retail and you got

1:06:42 ↗ a park and then you get the housing

1:06:44 ↗ close to that and then you want to get

1:06:46 ↗ close to transit so that's the other

1:06:48 ↗ piece of this so as you can see you've

1:06:51 ↗ got these little housing satellites

1:06:53 ↗ going around a park around a park around

1:06:57 ↗ a park around a park around the transit

1:07:00 ↗ so you're getting that fried egg from

1:07:03 ↗ the Tod that we showed you where you've

1:07:05 ↗ got this intensity and the housing that

1:07:07 ↗ surrounds emphasis so that's kind of the

1:07:10 ↗ idea here with this is to really start

1:07:12 ↗ trying to define these neighborhoods a

1:07:14 ↗ little bit better and that framework so

1:07:18 ↗ that's kind of if we were to say we're

1:07:20 ↗ looking for a mixed-use not worried

1:07:23 ↗ about it so much vertically that

1:07:25 ↗ horizontally and get them the uses where

1:07:28 ↗ they make the most sense so you can come

1:07:31 ↗ back and code and talk about this to say

1:07:33 ↗ so for example as you get a

1:07:35 ↗ redevelopment here

1:07:36 ↗ I need a bla a park that is at least two

1:07:39 ↗ acres inside and all residential

1:07:41 ↗ development must be within three blocks

1:07:44 ↗ of it and so you don't necessarily have

1:07:47 ↗ to have a prescriptive of a map as this

1:07:50 ↗ if that's not what you want but you

1:07:52 ↗ can't translate this include this in

1:07:55 ↗ just a guiding document to say here's

1:07:57 ↗ our general thought distribute this to

1:07:59 ↗ developers and then give them the

1:08:02 ↗ opportunity to either match this or give

1:08:04 ↗ you something better

1:08:05 ↗ as part of it so let's move on to well

1:08:10 ↗ you've got really jammed up on here is a

1:08:12 ↗ sense of community and so what I want to

1:08:15 ↗ then now jump is into some of the

1:08:17 ↗ architecture stuff so that is really

1:08:20 ↗ kind of a lot of the urban design piece

1:08:21 ↗ and then when we were here last time we

1:08:27 ↗ talked about really developing the

1:08:30 ↗ architectural guidelines based on four

1:08:33 ↗ things five things form massing scale

1:08:37 ↗ materials and colors and so this we set

1:08:40 ↗ this up is generally how we do is

1:08:42 ↗ checklist so if we came to the counter

1:08:43 ↗ to talk to the develop of to the planner

1:08:45 ↗ this is what you'd hand out to them the

1:08:48 ↗ developer and the the planner would have

1:08:51 ↗ a discussion about what applies and as

1:08:54 ↗ part of the guidelines and then the the

1:08:58 ↗ developer and their architect within

1:09:00 ↗ have the responsibility to responding

1:09:02 ↗ that for yes or no is comply so this is

1:09:05 ↗ generally the way we set this up as a

1:09:07 ↗ pre proposal use of the tool so you go

1:09:09 ↗ through each one of the guidelines to

1:09:11 ↗ give you just a little preview of what

1:09:12 ↗ we're going to give you as part of the

1:09:14 ↗ document so what we've then did is to

1:09:20 ↗ spend a lot of time thinking about this

1:09:22 ↗ because our sense is that you're getting

1:09:27 ↗ some development that is in sympathetic

1:09:29 ↗ to your historic character in gilman in

1:09:32 ↗ in the old town and in some areas you're

1:09:36 ↗ getting a very generic development that

1:09:39 ↗ could be place 'less that that it's not

1:09:41 ↗ necessarily bad development that it

1:09:43 ↗ needs to be driven in another direction

1:09:45 ↗ a little bit needs to be really reined

1:09:48 ↗ in a little bit so we started out with

1:09:52 ↗ going to really three areas so we're

1:09:56 ↗ breaking this up into what we're calling

1:09:58 ↗ an urban core style that really composes

1:10:03 ↗ for your urban core is plus a little bit

1:10:05 ↗ of your East Lake area and it's a quit

1:10:07 ↗ style and then an industrial style so

1:10:10 ↗ there's really three different types of

1:10:12 ↗ of guidelines that we want to talk about

1:10:15 ↗ and really

1:10:18 ↗ really formed the document around and so

1:10:21 ↗ it's a quid style would be most of

1:10:24 ↗ Gilman except the the town country no

1:10:29 ↗ it's not town country the the Commons

1:10:31 ↗ shopping centre and then also parts of

1:10:35 ↗ Darce park along little Main Street that

1:10:38 ↗ is evolving here and also the Fred Meyer

1:10:41 ↗ and Home Depot and then there's some

1:10:45 ↗ development redevelopment opportunities

1:10:46 ↗ where value villages and there's the the

1:10:49 ↗ building materials sites up in that area

1:10:52 ↗ as well so the thought would be this

1:10:56 ↗ corridor along Lake Sammamish Parkway is

1:11:00 ↗ really the organizer for that and

1:11:02 ↗ because of its proximity and

1:11:03 ↗ relationships to a lot of existing

1:11:05 ↗ neighborhoods we're saying that is

1:11:09 ↗ respectful of one type of design

1:11:12 ↗ approach and so what we're suggesting on

1:11:16 ↗ that is to be very prescriptive and

1:11:20 ↗ really talk about historic eclectic

1:11:25 ↗ historicism or 'this toric types of

1:11:28 ↗ buildings that have been built in these

1:11:30 ↗ similar situations whether it's in its

1:11:33 ↗ acquit self or similar small-scale

1:11:37 ↗ environments that that you have here

1:11:41 ↗ today so we've broken it up and

1:11:43 ↗ suggested that eclectic historicism

1:11:46 ↗ would be four types of architecture

1:11:48 ↗ craftsman which is very similar to the

1:11:53 ↗ stuff that you're already getting in

1:11:54 ↗ your Gateway development arts and crafts

1:11:57 ↗ which was developed at the same period

1:12:00 ↗ time Northwest Lodge which is a bigger

1:12:04 ↗ iteration because in the crafts and the

1:12:06 ↗ stuff works better for small buildings

1:12:08 ↗ and then westerns a false front which is

1:12:11 ↗ the types of commercial buildings that

1:12:13 ↗ you already have on Front Street and say

1:12:17 ↗ those are the only types of building

1:12:19 ↗ that you can build within that area so

1:12:23 ↗ we looked at the models and we heard

1:12:25 ↗ that people sometimes hold this up the

1:12:29 ↗ kalahari development

1:12:31 ↗ as when development not necessarily as

1:12:34 ↗ far as site planning but materials and

1:12:36 ↗ character that should be promoted more

1:12:39 ↗ and the Craftsman style really has these

1:12:43 ↗ characteristics it's more house like in

1:12:46 ↗ massing so it's compact so you don't get

1:12:49 ↗ buildings that are 200 feet long and are

1:12:53 ↗ developed in large courtyards they're

1:12:55 ↗ usually small bars if you will they're

1:12:58 ↗ typically no more than four stories and

1:13:01 ↗ and usually three or less and then

1:13:04 ↗ they're usually single-use buildings so

1:13:07 ↗ you don't typically ever find a ground

1:13:10 ↗ floor retail component in a Craftsman

1:13:12 ↗ style building so that's why they make

1:13:15 ↗ sense for for lower density or middle

1:13:19 ↗ density residential areas in that

1:13:21 ↗ district so what does that have it has

1:13:24 ↗ these components so you've got the

1:13:26 ↗ tripartite division they your standards

1:13:30 ↗ already talked about pitch drills a mix

1:13:33 ↗ of materials and then it's got other

1:13:37 ↗ details like expose rapper raps rafters

1:13:40 ↗ and brackets and other elements like

1:13:41 ↗ this so this is a four-story building

1:13:43 ↗ and that's an award-winning building of

1:13:46 ↗ a Craftsman style and four storeys so we

1:13:50 ↗ think this is more an appropriate in

1:13:51 ↗ this district to do more of those

1:13:53 ↗ buildings that they're done within an

1:13:55 ↗ urban grid setting and makes more sense

1:13:57 ↗ so you get the crap handcrafted still

1:14:01 ↗ work the shingles of board and batten

1:14:03 ↗ and the four over one double hung

1:14:05 ↗ windows the next one is what we're

1:14:09 ↗ calling arts and crafts and so this is

1:14:14 ↗ is really it's a mash-up of a

1:14:18 ↗ development style so it may have some

1:14:21 ↗ mission elements and may have a lot of

1:14:22 ↗ English elements like Tudor elements and

1:14:25 ↗ emphasis on rubs and a lot of

1:14:29 ↗ handcrafted wood elements and in stucco

1:14:33 ↗ and that's a characteristic so if you've

1:14:36 ↗ ever been to Carmel and California this

1:14:38 ↗ is what they're all about and it's a

1:14:41 ↗ claw in lots of ways very much like

1:14:42 ↗ Carmel and so it has that

1:14:44 ↗ small village characteristics to it and

1:14:47 ↗ so that's the idea within this area so

1:14:49 ↗ and again this isn't a it really the

1:14:53 ↗ kind of use that you would expect for

1:14:55 ↗ six or eight story buildings but it's

1:14:58 ↗ really a four or less and and if we've

1:15:01 ↗ got areas where we get bigger building

1:15:03 ↗ we need to come up with another typology

1:15:05 ↗ it's probably going to be something else

1:15:08 ↗ so what would that look like and so this

1:15:11 ↗ is a quarter that a project we did in it

1:15:13 ↗ since Lake Grove it's in Lake Oswego

1:15:15 ↗ Oregon so you get a commercial building

1:15:17 ↗ of that starts looking like this when

1:15:19 ↗ you do arts and crafts

1:15:20 ↗ it's deep pitch booths you get these

1:15:23 ↗ simplified English vernacular you get

1:15:26 ↗ these sorts of casement windows more

1:15:29 ↗ house style as you can see in a mix of

1:15:32 ↗ materials and then when you get more

1:15:35 ↗ intensive development this is a Avenue

1:15:37 ↗ in Lake Oswego as well you get some of

1:15:40 ↗ these so for example we were talking

1:15:42 ↗ about gateways this is a gateway element

1:15:45 ↗ and you use it sparingly it's a tower so

1:15:48 ↗ for example we looked at some of your

1:15:50 ↗ your development proposals where they

1:15:53 ↗ have just every part of the building

1:15:55 ↗ there's another Tower towers need to be

1:15:57 ↗ used sparingly it really should be at

1:15:59 ↗ really key points and so this is the the

1:16:02 ↗ characteristics that you see here so

1:16:04 ↗ this is a mixed-use commercial retail

1:16:06 ↗ and office above not real tall and

1:16:09 ↗ there's a parking structure by the way

1:16:11 ↗ behind this again the house elements

1:16:15 ↗ pitched ribs of home type of elements

1:16:18 ↗ like shakes and shingles integrated

1:16:22 ↗ fabric awnings expansive storefront

1:16:25 ↗ windows can be brick again it's more

1:16:29 ↗ house style not real tall and it has

1:16:33 ↗ those elements as well so you can mix

1:16:35 ↗ these that the point is within these

1:16:37 ↗ areas it's not just one style that it

1:16:40 ↗ could be a mix of the materials or

1:16:42 ↗ here's another one and this was office

1:16:44 ↗ above and you see this little port to

1:16:46 ↗ share and there's a tuck under parking

1:16:48 ↗ out back behind it and so that has got

1:16:50 ↗ shingles and and this is a mansard but

1:16:53 ↗ it's not even a tree ruff it's just a

1:16:55 ↗ master so it's just slopes up and it's

1:16:57 ↗ flat behind it

1:16:58 ↗ and then you get apartment buildings

1:17:01 ↗ where you get a little taller so for

1:17:03 ↗ example if you want to get a taller

1:17:05 ↗ building and really it's not appropriate

1:17:07 ↗ to do a craftsman and you still want to

1:17:10 ↗ keep some of those elements this is four

1:17:12 ↗ storeys and this is a full block and

1:17:14 ↗ this is over 100 units on this this

1:17:16 ↗ building but you get the sense of that

1:17:18 ↗ it's got that kind of character and

1:17:21 ↗ incompatibility with the the style of

1:17:25 ↗ your historic downtown Old Town as well

1:17:29 ↗ so that's that the next one would be

1:17:32 ↗ what happens if you do have a large read

1:17:36 ↗ of element parcel and this is a bit of a

1:17:39 ↗ stretch

1:17:39 ↗ that your senior housing project that's

1:17:43 ↗ in the the Gateway area has a little bit

1:17:45 ↗ of this element that when you get to big

1:17:48 ↗ buildings that are more than four storey

1:17:51 ↗ tall you really are starting to talk

1:17:53 ↗ about maybe more of a lodge and think

1:17:56 ↗ about well you know what's the model

1:17:59 ↗ that you get a building that's a hundred

1:18:01 ↗ feet long and 200 units and maybe have

1:18:04 ↗ some shape to it so this is really maybe

1:18:08 ↗ some of the things you'd want to have as

1:18:09 ↗ part of that and it would be compatible

1:18:10 ↗ so if you're looking for more intense

1:18:12 ↗ urban development maybe there's some

1:18:15 ↗ large elements as well that you could

1:18:16 ↗ incorporate so it's not limiting high

1:18:19 ↗ density buildings at forty and fifty

1:18:21 ↗ units an acre you could still do this

1:18:23 ↗ and then finally in particular for

1:18:29 ↗ infill your your damn town has some you

1:18:34 ↗ know wonderful fabric and it really

1:18:36 ↗ needs to be supported so for example if

1:18:38 ↗ we're talking about this extension of

1:18:40 ↗ gilman picking up the characteristic

1:18:42 ↗ affront you'd maybe want to really push

1:18:45 ↗ some of these historic false Western

1:18:49 ↗ storefront elements to it so see it's

1:18:52 ↗ not mixing elements this is historic

1:18:55 ↗ Northwest Western storefronts are all

1:18:58 ↗ wood you know that was the material

1:19:00 ↗ people had in abundance around here so

1:19:02 ↗ they didn't mix stone and tile it's all

1:19:05 ↗ wood and it's simple fairly

1:19:07 ↗ straightforward detailing so really want

1:19:09 ↗ to keep and maintain that

1:19:12 ↗ and think about clerestory windows

1:19:15 ↗ sending back doors hanging signs all

1:19:18 ↗ these sort of elements so that gives us

1:19:19 ↗ some life and activity to it and you can

1:19:23 ↗ even get multifamily in here this

1:19:25 ↗ building I probably would have painted

1:19:26 ↗ it I think it looked better if it's

1:19:28 ↗ painted but you can see this is a fairly

1:19:32 ↗ large apartment building in that setting

1:19:34 ↗ in it and it's pretty sympathetic it

1:19:36 ↗ picks up danam lines of you know here's

1:19:38 ↗ a line here the base lines up the middle

1:19:42 ↗ lines up and then there's got a top so

1:19:44 ↗ you know we've had some of the elements

1:19:46 ↗ you already talked about your your

1:19:47 ↗ existing standards so you can do density

1:19:50 ↗ in a western storefront vernacular as

1:19:54 ↗ well

1:19:55 ↗ so that's kind of what was being

1:19:58 ↗ suggested it's very prescriptive

1:20:01 ↗ standards or guidelines for this it's a

1:20:05 ↗ quid style so moving on to the urban

1:20:06 ↗ core so sense because you're going to

1:20:09 ↗ get more density here and it's more

1:20:11 ↗ urban through your descriptions in the

1:20:14 ↗ districts that it really requires a

1:20:16 ↗ little bit of a different type of

1:20:17 ↗ building and so the idea here is really

1:20:21 ↗ is to provoke promote some innovation

1:20:23 ↗ that is appropriate for dense urban and

1:20:26 ↗ conditions but is timeless in character

1:20:29 ↗ and respectful than age natural setting

1:20:31 ↗ in the city as well so the intent here

1:20:36 ↗ is now is to take a look at what do we

1:20:39 ↗ need by accommodating all those

1:20:43 ↗ requirements and these guidelines

1:20:45 ↗ unlike the it's equipped style are not

1:20:49 ↗ going to be prescriptive but rather

1:20:51 ↗ they're going to be descriptive so what

1:20:53 ↗ we want to do is describe the form the

1:20:55 ↗ massing the scale the materials and the

1:20:57 ↗ color so we want to go through these

1:21:00 ↗ each at a time so the form is the first

1:21:03 ↗ one so what we suggested would be a

1:21:05 ↗ simple simplified composition with

1:21:09 ↗ verticality emphasized and horizontal

1:21:12 ↗ super Street while it's segmented

1:21:13 ↗ logically so it doesn't become random

1:21:16 ↗ and happenstance but it has some meaning

1:21:20 ↗ so what we're suggesting is rather than

1:21:24 ↗ these complex

1:21:26 ↗ development forms that you're seeing on

1:21:28 ↗ some of your development proposals that

1:21:32 ↗ you're having today that you simplify it

1:21:34 ↗ a bit in form and massing you see the

1:21:37 ↗ this building is essentially three

1:21:39 ↗ masses not five different masses but

1:21:42 ↗ it's really a fairly simple composition

1:21:45 ↗ when you do need give buildings that are

1:21:48 ↗ longer

1:21:49 ↗ you can't segment it logically in ways

1:21:52 ↗ that look like actual buildings so

1:21:55 ↗ here's a building here's a building

1:21:56 ↗ here's a building and so that's how that

1:21:59 ↗ is broken up and so we're suggesting

1:22:01 ↗ segmenting it that way through setbacks

1:22:04 ↗ or through uses of different types of

1:22:06 ↗ materials so you establish what we'd

1:22:09 ↗ call an urban rhythm so it isn't

1:22:12 ↗ schizophrenic that there's a sort of a

1:22:16 ↗ musical sensitivity is what you're

1:22:18 ↗ moving along a street edge and then we

1:22:22 ↗ want to think about again also how you

1:22:25 ↗ have some changes and really support the

1:22:29 ↗ development in terms of base and middle

1:22:32 ↗ and top that's still a valid idea for

1:22:34 ↗ some areas so you see the building has a

1:22:37 ↗ ground-floor retail component to it has

1:22:41 ↗ middle of commercials of component in

1:22:43 ↗ the top and then think about some other

1:22:46 ↗ simplified forms so not everything has

1:22:48 ↗ to have a flat roof you can do slope

1:22:50 ↗ drifts but rather than traditional forms

1:22:54 ↗ all the time you know no doubt you could

1:22:56 ↗ do that you could do maybe a more

1:23:00 ↗ simplified expression as such as in this

1:23:02 ↗ building and again establishing that

1:23:04 ↗ rhythm along the edges so pushing for

1:23:07 ↗ this a little bit more in contemporary

1:23:08 ↗ interpretation historic elements or it

1:23:12 ↗ be simple like this again that's clearly

1:23:15 ↗ a town house and it's got very very

1:23:18 ↗ traditional materials shingles and

1:23:20 ↗ stucco that it has a more of a refined

1:23:26 ↗ you know expression at these on the

1:23:29 ↗ frontage or something like this so you

1:23:33 ↗ get a little bit more of a different

1:23:35 ↗ type of dormer so the idea here is not

1:23:37 ↗ to be so much looking

1:23:39 ↗ the past that interpreting some of those

1:23:41 ↗ historic elements more than in a

1:23:45 ↗ contemporary manner without going over

1:23:49 ↗ the top there are very minimal amounts

1:23:53 ↗ of those sorts of things so the next

1:23:57 ↗ piece of this would be to talk about

1:23:59 ↗ massing and the idea here we do do full

1:24:02 ↗ block development engaging the

1:24:05 ↗ pedestrian realm and the biggest piece

1:24:07 ↗ of this is to minimize the parking

1:24:09 ↗ impacts either putting the parking

1:24:12 ↗ internally in a building or screening it

1:24:15 ↗ in all instances parking lots should not

1:24:18 ↗ be allowed to be seen or viewed or even

1:24:22 ↗ walk through in the end this in this

1:24:25 ↗ district so here's a couple examples of

1:24:28 ↗ what that would be so this is the block

1:24:30 ↗ and this is a building bar and it's 60

1:24:35 ↗ by 180 so it's two bars within with a

1:24:40 ↗ courtyard through the middle here's

1:24:43 ↗ another form it could be a C or a you

1:24:46 ↗ with the courtyard internally this is on

1:24:49 ↗ a podium so it's raised up so it's

1:24:51 ↗ private that's one form as well but the

1:24:53 ↗ buildings that are engaging the street

1:24:55 ↗ or it could be a noun and such as this

1:24:59 ↗ so there's in all instances the

1:25:01 ↗ buildings are always engaged in the edge

1:25:03 ↗ of this of the block or in some

1:25:07 ↗ instances there might be two uses so for

1:25:09 ↗ example this is a residential

1:25:11 ↗ development and this is a grocery store

1:25:13 ↗ and then there is a small driveway with

1:25:16 ↗ small amount of parking here and parking

1:25:19 ↗ is within this structure and down below

1:25:21 ↗ and so that parking is minimized and

1:25:24 ↗ it's essentially its convenience parking

1:25:28 ↗ so that would be another form that we

1:25:30 ↗ would try to institutionalize as well

1:25:34 ↗ and then we then talked about the

1:25:37 ↗ massing so the idea here we're getting

1:25:39 ↗ some really moving on our slides is that

1:25:43 ↗ we want to have street oriented ground

1:25:45 ↗ floor units if you have residential

1:25:47 ↗ that's that needs to be a requirement on

1:25:49 ↗ every building that's residential the

1:25:51 ↗ ground floor needs to

1:25:52 ↗ the access not always but it really

1:25:55 ↗ would need it should say promote it that

1:25:58 ↗ you have that occurrence and so these

1:26:01 ↗ are the kind of things that you want to

1:26:03 ↗ have if you've got residential to ground

1:26:04 ↗ for you need a bit of a transition so

1:26:08 ↗ it's okay to have low privacy walls or

1:26:11 ↗ terraces raise it up a little bit that

1:26:14 ↗ you needed separation so the front door

1:26:15 ↗ isn't adjacent to the sidewalk a little

1:26:18 ↗ bit of separation is good here if you do

1:26:21 ↗ build up to the street to the the right

1:26:25 ↗ of way here's the right away line you

1:26:27 ↗ need to have a great transition so the

1:26:30 ↗ finished floor this first unit is here

1:26:33 ↗ and so the units are here so if I'm

1:26:35 ↗ walking by I can't look in Windows so

1:26:37 ↗ there's you can build up to the edge but

1:26:40 ↗ you need to do this sort of treatment

1:26:41 ↗ where you you separate it by grade so

1:26:46 ↗ what we do have mixed-use generally you

1:26:50 ↗ want to make sure that you do build up

1:26:51 ↗ to the street edge and you do have a

1:26:53 ↗ degree of transparency for all those

1:26:55 ↗ grand floor uses but there may be

1:26:58 ↗ instances where you do have four courts

1:27:01 ↗ of entries or places where you want to

1:27:03 ↗ have gatherings or outdoor seating so

1:27:06 ↗ you may want to do something like this

1:27:07 ↗ we have a little carve out in the corner

1:27:10 ↗ as well entries should be from the

1:27:14 ↗ street as well not parking so it would

1:27:16 ↗ be something like this a lobby entry if

1:27:20 ↗ we prescribed scale so when we've got

1:27:24 ↗ really when we talk about buildings that

1:27:27 ↗ are four storeys or more we want to make

1:27:29 ↗ sure that we have the step backs so

1:27:33 ↗ generally if we had our druthers all

1:27:37 ↗ your buildings would be this tall you

1:27:39 ↗ know really try to promote four-story

1:27:41 ↗ buildings throughout the district this

1:27:43 ↗ is a comfortable scale I think for

1:27:45 ↗ central its class and preserve your

1:27:47 ↗ views so four to five storeys would be

1:27:50 ↗ what we'd look at something about that

1:27:52 ↗ scale that length in that massing if you

1:27:57 ↗ get taller again talking about stepping

1:27:59 ↗ see that is it go above a certain height

1:28:03 ↗ level that you need to step back save

1:28:06 ↗ example 20-feet such as this building

1:28:09 ↗ again the public street and the building

1:28:11 ↗ steps back and then talk about materials

1:28:15 ↗ materials would like to see it's

1:28:18 ↗ simplified pallet of materials so that

1:28:21 ↗ every building doesn't have four or five

1:28:24 ↗ material types but maybe two most three

1:28:27 ↗ for this district and probably really

1:28:30 ↗ pushing for two material types so would

1:28:33 ↗ suggest that you do a lot of brick

1:28:35 ↗ you're getting a lot of metal panels

1:28:38 ↗ you're getting a lot of hardy board you

1:28:41 ↗ get a lot of other materials say the the

1:28:44 ↗ fundamental majority of buildings in

1:28:46 ↗ these this district needs to be 60 or 70

1:28:51 ↗ percent brick on public frontages now

1:28:55 ↗ you might have setbacks and use other

1:28:57 ↗ materials or for accent you might use

1:28:59 ↗ wood the basis might be concrete but

1:29:04 ↗ it's still brick the major material

1:29:07 ↗ metal cladding is probably okay

1:29:09 ↗ especially on interior areas or as

1:29:12 ↗ connections and we probably want to make

1:29:15 ↗ some description of the type of metal

1:29:17 ↗ paneling and the detailing of how that's

1:29:19 ↗ done because it's important so that that

1:29:22 ↗ is long lasting and it doesn't do what

1:29:25 ↗ we call it oil canning so if it's not

1:29:27 ↗ done really well it starts moving around

1:29:28 ↗ and it looks like a bad RV over time and

1:29:33 ↗ and think about other materials like

1:29:36 ↗ like hardy board and where to put those

1:29:38 ↗ and also stucco as an accent material

1:29:42 ↗ not necessarily a primary material so as

1:29:46 ↗ a way UPS is defining massing as well

1:29:49 ↗ and also some instances especially along

1:29:52 ↗ your greenways really maybe even

1:29:55 ↗ promoting wood so if I've got a building

1:29:58 ↗ that's facing the Issaquah Creek maybe

1:30:01 ↗ wood it's okay as well and then finally

1:30:05 ↗ we call it and the idea here is really

1:30:09 ↗ is to try to get away from the bright

1:30:12 ↗ primary colors they're really to reduce

1:30:14 ↗ your colors to light and dark colors

1:30:18 ↗ and really is to go to maybe and maybe

1:30:21 ↗ this is something you want to be more

1:30:23 ↗ prescriptive of so brick really works

1:30:26 ↗ well if it's dark in our environment

1:30:28 ↗ today so maybe a dark brick it and it

1:30:33 ↗ could be light colored brick a blond

1:30:35 ↗ brick of light brick cream-colored brick

1:30:38 ↗ and then what we want to do is then have

1:30:41 ↗ contrasting materials for your window

1:30:45 ↗ frames so generally keep those dark

1:30:48 ↗ rather than light so that we have more

1:30:51 ↗ emphasis on the punching openings and so

1:30:55 ↗ avoid the lighter framing that you've

1:30:58 ↗ seen us in the buildings and they may be

1:31:00 ↗ more of a natural color like a wood

1:31:03 ↗ color as well you can see how the use of

1:31:07 ↗ the colors are used here as well and

1:31:10 ↗ here's another application of dark brick

1:31:13 ↗ and this is a dark brown so that's that

1:31:18 ↗ for that for the urban quarry art and

1:31:21 ↗ then we get into the the final one is

1:31:23 ↗ the the route 10 area and that really

1:31:28 ↗ the idea here we're jumping a little bit

1:31:30 ↗ on this and we haven't developed a lot

1:31:32 ↗ of this but it may be go to more

1:31:34 ↗ industrial forms and maybe more barn

1:31:37 ↗ forms that look more similar to your

1:31:40 ↗ your barn and Pickering the Pickering

1:31:44 ↗ district in the park up to the north

1:31:46 ↗ maybe there's some more red and other

1:31:48 ↗ colors that have that reference to it so

1:31:51 ↗ it's mostly a metal building and low

1:31:53 ↗ building an industrial character tip so

1:31:56 ↗ it would be something like these give

1:31:58 ↗ these kind of buildings so we're getting

1:31:59 ↗ a little bit more detail and I haven't

1:32:01 ↗ spent a lot of time on that

1:32:02 ↗ so that's presentation really well we'll

1:32:07 ↗ come back to you on the next steps but

1:32:10 ↗ it is a draft document and we'll get

1:32:13 ↗ into more of the ways of dealing with

1:32:15 ↗ that that grid the street hierarchy some

1:32:20 ↗ form based standards for we suggest

1:32:22 ↗ maybe you do require ground for retail

1:32:24 ↗ and the characteristic at that floor so

1:32:27 ↗ we're going to have all of these sorts

1:32:30 ↗ of elements we'll talk about them as

1:32:32 ↗ we're front doors go so we're going to

1:32:33 ↗ take those ideas and really reduce them

1:32:36 ↗ into diagrams so that's something that

1:32:38 ↗ you can use as part of development

1:32:40 ↗ proposals and getting back into your

1:32:42 ↗ standards so if you've got setbacks what

1:32:44 ↗ how do you do that we're the fourth

1:32:47 ↗ story maximum Heights if you want to do

1:32:49 ↗ that especially along greenways and then

1:32:52 ↗ some diagrams have you'd actually

1:32:54 ↗ execute that so these are fairly generic

1:32:56 ↗ right now said not necessarily proposed

1:32:59 ↗ but you get the sense what we're going

1:33:00 ↗ towards and then the characteristics of

1:33:03 ↗ the agreement and greenways so that's

1:33:05 ↗ just a little kind of real quick preview

1:33:07 ↗ of what he'll will take this information

1:33:09 ↗ and then translate it into something

1:33:11 ↗ that's usable for you to do review

1:33:12 ↗ projects left ok so I'm done and open

1:33:17 ↗ for any more discussion questions about

1:33:19 ↗ that and and maybe a little direction if

1:33:23 ↗ we could come back and a little maybe if

1:33:25 ↗ somebody is okay or it clearly doesn't

1:33:28 ↗ want us to do something aught with any

1:33:30 ↗ of these I think now's the time to tell

1:33:32 ↗ us so that we don't develop it any

1:33:34 ↗ further okay open the discussion like I

1:33:39 ↗ really I really appreciate the notion of

1:33:42 ↗ trying to be more prescriptive of that's

1:33:45 ↗ right word on on style you know in

1:33:47 ↗ having areas because it I think you're

1:33:49 ↗ correct that we were expecting

1:33:51 ↗ everything everywhere and getting

1:33:53 ↗ nothing anywhere so the reality is

1:33:56 ↗ having having a sense in an even

1:33:59 ↗ pictorial presentation of those three

1:34:01 ↗ Styles is really valuable that really

1:34:04 ↗ made a lot of clarity to me and but I

1:34:07 ↗ think I think understanding of style is

1:34:10 ↗ really going to be valuable and getting

1:34:11 ↗ by off on that but I really like that

1:34:13 ↗ those were good we're there any of those

1:34:17 ↗ Styles you said are non-starter if they

1:34:19 ↗ haven't considered something I don't

1:34:23 ↗ need to think tell me now that if you

1:34:25 ↗ think about that you know it's a good

1:34:26 ↗ time to get that kind of stuff in but I

1:34:28 ↗ think the urban core on the surface

1:34:32 ↗ looked a little stark to me but at the

1:34:34 ↗ same time keeping in context of what

1:34:37 ↗ that is it it made good sense at first

1:34:40 ↗ ever said oh wait no I don't think I

1:34:42 ↗ want that but I

1:34:43 ↗ good to me so what we're trying to do is

1:34:46 ↗ really is to try to create some

1:34:49 ↗ consistency in and not to be so

1:34:53 ↗ prescriptive that again when you go into

1:34:55 ↗ a city like Paris for example most of

1:34:59 ↗ the buildings are light colored or dark

1:35:01 ↗ and so we're really trying to define the

1:35:03 ↗ district so you may say well you know

1:35:05 ↗ maybe in high light since they've

1:35:06 ↗ already done red brick buildings maybe

1:35:08 ↗ we should be prescribing red rec over

1:35:10 ↗ there so there's room for variation on

1:35:13 ↗ this but what we're seeing is that

1:35:16 ↗ everything goes everything under the Sun

1:35:19 ↗ so that this block has no relationship

1:35:22 ↗ to the next block and so it's a dog's

1:35:25 ↗ breakfast of every idea that's come out

1:35:27 ↗ you know tilted rows Peaks caps

1:35:31 ↗ everything in it instead of really

1:35:34 ↗ fighting this and trying to make it

1:35:37 ↗ hand-to-hand combat on every project to

1:35:39 ↗ say you know what maybe the buildings

1:35:41 ↗ because it's simply just a residential

1:35:44 ↗ building it's not a civic building and

1:35:46 ↗ maybe it needs to be what we would

1:35:48 ↗ describe as a background building and so

1:35:50 ↗ the overall composition of the district

1:35:52 ↗ is more important than the individual

1:35:54 ↗ building and then the really the value

1:35:57 ↗ comes out in the detailing in the

1:36:00 ↗ construction quality and the permanence

1:36:02 ↗ and the timelessness of that and then

1:36:05 ↗ you have an emphasis on the greenery in

1:36:07 ↗ the open space that really has

1:36:10 ↗ prominence and it's not competing with

1:36:13 ↗ the architecture so that was kind of the

1:36:15 ↗ idea what that district is really cut

1:36:17 ↗ really maybe try to turn down the knotch

1:36:19 ↗ a couple of levels so it's a little bit

1:36:23 ↗ less chaotic yeah go ahead so I would

1:36:28 ↗ appreciate that man for the year they've

1:36:29 ↗ been on here I think I've struggled with

1:36:30 ↗ trying to figure out what that what

1:36:32 ↗ we're supposed to be doing as far as

1:36:33 ↗ Sangay or native things but we agreed to

1:36:36 ↗ it because it matches all the legal

1:36:38 ↗ pieces but we're not quite sure how it

1:36:40 ↗ fits into the bigger picture and this

1:36:42 ↗ would help have a big picture to play

1:36:43 ↗ off of

1:36:44 ↗ it's kind of serendipity because I was

1:36:46 ↗ coming out of Dick's Sporting Goods up

1:36:48 ↗ there in the highlands and if you come

1:36:49 ↗ out they have the new townhouses they

1:36:51 ↗ built there and just finally got it all

1:36:52 ↗ cleaned up and it was just a straight

1:36:54 ↗ shot this little walkway between two

1:36:56 ↗ differ

1:36:57 ↗ town house pieces there's Road on one

1:36:59 ↗ side road on the other side middle is a

1:37:01 ↗ walkway with trees and it's like a

1:37:02 ↗ little park for them it was clean

1:37:04 ↗ straight line you can see everything

1:37:06 ↗ kind of matched and felt good it was

1:37:08 ↗ really other hate has just serene to

1:37:10 ↗ look at so the nice thing the one

1:37:13 ↗ architectural style that I was kind of

1:37:15 ↗ soso on was the the English run back in

1:37:19 ↗ is arts and crafts and the reason is

1:37:21 ↗ kind of felt too much like Leavenworth

1:37:22 ↗ and I think they have that kind of

1:37:24 ↗ German mountain town feel to them and

1:37:27 ↗ I'm not you know we should be more of a

1:37:28 ↗ Western mining kind of a logging town

1:37:33 ↗ than it is more than yeah you know a

1:37:36 ↗ mountain town yep and I would agree with

1:37:39 ↗ that same thing that that was the one

1:37:40 ↗ that jumped out at me in the Issaquah

1:37:42 ↗ historical the arts and crafts mean

1:37:45 ↗ didn't seem to be the fit with the other

1:37:47 ↗ thing the only issue I have on that is

1:37:50 ↗ if you go with the the Craftsman style

1:37:52 ↗ is really difficult to make it work for

1:37:56 ↗ buildings that are larger than a garden

1:37:58 ↗ apartment they're going to get earthen

1:38:01 ↗ development that is let's say it had

1:38:07 ↗ full block development if 400 by 250

1:38:10 ↗ foot block and he wanted to do a hundred

1:38:13 ↗ foot long building in a Craftsman style

1:38:16 ↗ it's really really tough tool but they

1:38:18 ↗ want the Northwest lodge work for that

1:38:20 ↗ as you point out yeah that fits us

1:38:22 ↗ better to the code and I just we already

1:38:24 ↗ happen to have live and I you know we

1:38:25 ↗ offered that to say let's not box

1:38:27 ↗ everybody in and so that you're not

1:38:31 ↗ going to have everything look the same

1:38:34 ↗ because part of it really the beauty of

1:38:36 ↗ your old town is the eclectic nature of

1:38:38 ↗ it and so once you start getting

1:38:41 ↗ everything the same that's our fair and

1:38:46 ↗ we said at this point let's offer more

1:38:48 ↗ than last and so do you want to take one

1:38:50 ↗ off the table we have no we have no care

1:38:53 ↗ for that I I think well I I don't mind

1:38:56 ↗ the arts-and-crafts I think I think you

1:38:59 ↗ can offer a lot of richness especially

1:39:01 ↗ at that street level but I think mostly

1:39:03 ↗ what I want to say is I would like to

1:39:04 ↗ add to the list yeah and you start to

1:39:06 ↗ touch on it at the end but I'm stricken

1:39:09 ↗ by our

1:39:10 ↗ agricultural history in the structures

1:39:12 ↗ of utility and mining so I guess I

1:39:15 ↗ wouldn't limit that notion of urban

1:39:18 ↗ Grange to to these larger structures can

1:39:22 ↗ we get those on the parcel based

1:39:24 ↗ structures as well I think especially if

1:39:28 ↗ that light rail hub terminates in

1:39:31 ↗ Pickering place you know that's the

1:39:33 ↗ vernacular over there to what degree of

1:39:35 ↗ success they've done it over there I

1:39:37 ↗ think is open to interpretation but I I

1:39:40 ↗ like how it feels over there and I think

1:39:42 ↗ it's really going to activate that area

1:39:44 ↗ so could we introduce this notion of

1:39:47 ↗ agriculture oh yeah

1:39:49 ↗ we're already on a Bethan I think it's a

1:39:51 ↗ good idea okay man thanks I have a

1:39:55 ↗ question for staff so the meeting that

1:39:58 ↗ the next meeting that we have with you

1:40:00 ↗ will we be able to get see whether it's

1:40:05 ↗ a PDF or hardcopy

1:40:07 ↗ a couple of days before our meeting next

1:40:09 ↗ meeting so we can not have to be just

1:40:13 ↗ reacting to the thing that niya sure I

1:40:18 ↗ mean I just like we haven't seen any of

1:40:21 ↗ this I know I know I know Lucy I just

1:40:23 ↗ know the next one we can we can we can

1:40:26 ↗ provide that to staff and they can do

1:40:28 ↗ what they want to do is I I liked

1:40:31 ↗ everything I saw but I just I would like

1:40:34 ↗ if that's going to be the last meeting

1:40:37 ↗ that we have the DC has to put input a

1:40:40 ↗ priori into this I'd like a little more

1:40:43 ↗ opportunity to just look at what they're

1:40:45 ↗ going to we're going to see that well I

1:40:47 ↗ think what we discussed with the team

1:40:51 ↗ was that they really needed to hear your

1:40:56 ↗ feedback and then go away and we'll

1:41:00 ↗ likely work on more of an outline basis

1:41:03 ↗ to try and identify sort of the

1:41:06 ↗ structure and elements and that would

1:41:10 ↗ certainly be something that we'd all

1:41:12 ↗ like to look at ahead of time so that

1:41:14 ↗ you're not shooting from the hip and

1:41:15 ↗ then probably bring back that another

1:41:18 ↗ round this actual draft

1:41:22 ↗ and would that in the next thing that

1:41:26 ↗ we're going to see would that give us an

1:41:28 ↗ idea of what you're proposing for the

1:41:31 ↗ properties of adjacent to the creek yeah

1:41:37 ↗ so what okay yeah thank you so we're

1:41:40 ↗ going to so we're going to create this

1:41:42 ↗ draft document and I've doctored this up

1:41:45 ↗ a little bit because we and what we want

1:41:48 ↗ to do is identify reviews of rounds of

1:41:53 ↗ reviews so what we want to do is come

1:41:55 ↗ with a towards the end of May more or

1:41:59 ↗ less and expanded outline not

1:42:02 ↗ necessarily all the detail but give you

1:42:04 ↗ a sense of the structure in the form so

1:42:05 ↗ here's generally what the document is

1:42:07 ↗ going to look like and not necessarily

1:42:10 ↗ have it all written out or have all that

1:42:11 ↗ the final pieces of it and get it by up

1:42:15 ↗ on that and then through the next you

1:42:18 ↗ know maybe every three weeks or so add

1:42:21 ↗ more so they we can get your reaction to

1:42:24 ↗ it and through through written and we

1:42:26 ↗ can deliver this to key you can edit it

1:42:29 ↗ combine it into one document and then we

1:42:31 ↗ can get back and forth on it so I

1:42:34 ↗ my sense is rather than us finishing a

1:42:37 ↗ draft and delivering it to you and

1:42:39 ↗ saying now you missed it by a large

1:42:40 ↗ margin and come back and rewrite it if

1:42:43 ↗ we get your constant involvement as we

1:42:45 ↗ develop it would be better we agree

1:42:51 ↗ did you folks get a chance to see the

1:42:56 ↗ surveys that the city does that I don't

1:42:58 ↗ know if this may have been brought up in

1:43:00 ↗ our first meeting with you but have you

1:43:02 ↗ have you seen the surveys that the city

1:43:05 ↗ government sends out to determine what

1:43:08 ↗ the priorities are and what the what the

1:43:09 ↗ treasures are I think I may not have

1:43:13 ↗ seen it specifically seen but I've seen

1:43:15 ↗ some that information that Randi just to

1:43:18 ↗ make sure that we know so would they

1:43:20 ↗ have seen this quad treasures they've

1:43:23 ↗ gotten that list in terms of I'm not

1:43:26 ↗ sure there's we've sent them any surveys

1:43:28 ↗ so I just want to make sure I understand

1:43:30 ↗ are you thinking of the one that's

1:43:32 ↗ happening in Old Town are you thinking

1:43:34 ↗ of the citywide

1:43:35 ↗ both actually but it seems to I seem to

1:43:39 ↗ recall getting two or three surveys from

1:43:43 ↗ the city and I understand I understand

1:43:45 ↗ it used to be at least every other year

1:43:47 ↗ sometime back but it's the point is as I

1:43:52 ↗ recall it it's very consistent over a

1:43:54 ↗ long period of time about what the

1:43:56 ↗ citizens identify as the priorities for

1:43:59 ↗ the town and I would think that

1:44:04 ↗ something like this it would be an

1:44:07 ↗ important element to be at least be

1:44:09 ↗ aware of because it does go back and I

1:44:12 ↗ don't know if they're even available

1:44:14 ↗ anymore but I remember when I move here

1:44:15 ↗ I got one I was sent one and I was

1:44:18 ↗ tremendously impressed by the effort and

1:44:20 ↗ again my understanding is it's very

1:44:23 ↗ consistent for them however many have

1:44:26 ↗ been done it's always the same time for

1:44:29 ↗ six things there's a citizen survey

1:44:31 ↗ going on right now and I think Street

1:44:34 ↗ know citywide oh okay good and I think

1:44:39 ↗ that is the results I saw it on the

1:44:42 ↗ council agenda for June or something I

1:44:44 ↗ think that yeah there was also one for

1:44:47 ↗ the front Street redesign that involved

1:44:49 ↗ public you know public meetings and and

1:44:52 ↗ here's what we heard and then we can't

1:44:54 ↗ went back out there and it's uh it's a

1:44:56 ↗ very inclusive right the that's in

1:45:00 ↗ progress right now right the old town

1:45:02 ↗ one I think we are trying to make sure

1:45:04 ↗ that the different districts have

1:45:06 ↗ different characters so I think the

1:45:09 ↗ question is how to use that information

1:45:11 ↗ so we're not but I do think I think some

1:45:15 ↗ of the things that came out of the old

1:45:16 ↗ town meetings and so forth and the

1:45:19 ↗ preferences that we saw even though it

1:45:22 ↗ doesn't have to define all the other

1:45:23 ↗ districts could be very helpful in terms

1:45:25 ↗ of a citizen see for Old Town and might

1:45:29 ↗ see in general for the city as well to

1:45:31 ↗ give you some ideas between because

1:45:32 ↗ there were things about refer this not

1:45:34 ↗ this kind of thing to get input would be

1:45:38 ↗ awful after all so throw and I did like

1:45:41 ↗ the light and dark idea especially after

1:45:44 ↗ dealing with Atlas blue

1:45:46 ↗ and now you tell it's late in general I

1:45:48 ↗ hadn't thought of that before but

1:45:49 ↗ keeping those those light and dark tones

1:45:52 ↗ I think in those larger buildings could

1:45:53 ↗ make a big difference yeah keep it

1:45:55 ↗ simple sometimes as you know if the

1:45:57 ↗ background building said you know it

1:45:58 ↗ doesn't have to be you know the focus of

1:46:01 ↗ you know their lifetime achievement

1:46:04 ↗ project every time they develop one they

1:46:06 ↗ think does it have to be different you

1:46:07 ↗ know it's not a showroom for material it

1:46:09 ↗ seems to me the interesting things can

1:46:11 ↗ be at the ground level you know where

1:46:12 ↗ it's the pedestrian level and so forth I

1:46:15 ↗ did I did find out I think with agreed

1:46:19 ↗ with the chair somewhat that a few of

1:46:21 ↗ the buildings that we saw for the urban

1:46:24 ↗ area seemed a bit stark to me one of the

1:46:27 ↗ things I didn't see a lot of or

1:46:28 ↗ balconies and I don't know if that's a

1:46:30 ↗ if that's something that can be worked

1:46:32 ↗ into the larger buildings or we can talk

1:46:34 ↗ about balconies but I was the reason I

1:46:37 ↗ avoided some of those things because

1:46:38 ↗ they tend to get in the way of the

1:46:40 ↗ concept that I'm talking about because

1:46:42 ↗ people say oh I'm looking at the balcony

1:46:43 ↗ I wanted to talk about the form and the

1:46:45 ↗ massing and so that's part of the reason

1:46:48 ↗ I show you some of the stuff that's a

1:46:49 ↗ little bit stripped down because you

1:46:51 ↗ know I didn't want you to get distracted

1:46:53 ↗ by that but clearly if you want to see

1:46:55 ↗ in more definition of buildings and use

1:47:00 ↗ in the terms we can do that as well that

1:47:01 ↗ we you know have no problem with adding

1:47:04 ↗ some that and we've got any number of

1:47:06 ↗ images that we show you as well what I

1:47:10 ↗ really appreciated the distinctiveness

1:47:14 ↗ of the three areas that you were

1:47:16 ↗ defining and that that really helped me

1:47:18 ↗ a lot and so I can live with some pretty

1:47:21 ↗ stark looking stuff in one in like an

1:47:23 ↗ industrial area with it when when you

1:47:28 ↗ look at at the Issaquah and get the

1:47:33 ↗ urban I can deal with some urban core

1:47:35 ↗ stuff that's pretty stark when when you

1:47:39 ↗ add on the architectural details that we

1:47:42 ↗ probably see in his quest style and

1:47:44 ↗ industrial and that rather liked that I

1:47:46 ↗ thought that was really important

1:47:47 ↗ clearly defined space you know I think

1:47:50 ↗ that a lot of the comments that we've

1:47:51 ↗ gotten from the public is that we aren't

1:47:53 ↗ building anything that is distinctive

1:47:55 ↗ you know that really defines Issaquah

1:47:58 ↗ I think both is a quest style and the

1:48:00 ↗ industrial can do that really well yeah

1:48:02 ↗ the Industrial looked like we had or

1:48:06 ↗ were I think we call the historical

1:48:07 ↗ district the Gillman these part of

1:48:11 ↗ Gillman was included in the industrial

1:48:14 ↗ right type they owed and we all have

1:48:17 ↗ wondered if that's a conflict I can see

1:48:19 ↗ on the north side of i-90 industrial

1:48:21 ↗ there but we had the industrial

1:48:24 ↗ characteristics in the route 10 is out

1:48:28 ↗ of him yeah and that you know is a front

1:48:30 ↗ street right yeah mm-hmm yeah we're

1:48:33 ↗ nothing up here I kind of was relaxing

1:48:35 ↗ and a grain grain that's what I wondered

1:48:37 ↗ I was thinking what I was thinking more

1:48:39 ↗ historical highway type stuff and can

1:48:42 ↗ that fit with or your ideas of

1:48:44 ↗ industrial so well well well I was

1:48:49 ↗ looking at and thinking about it it's

1:48:51 ↗ really kind of the land use stuff that

1:48:52 ↗ they're looking at and what we've seen

1:48:54 ↗ people do so for example it was a

1:48:57 ↗ destination restaurant hub for example

1:49:03 ↗ under one roof you've got five or six

1:49:04 ↗ restaurants with food court we see that

1:49:07 ↗ a lot or it's a you know a combination

1:49:10 ↗ of wine tasting and culinary school

1:49:14 ↗ those are the kind of things I think

1:49:16 ↗ would be really viable there a Roadhouse

1:49:20 ↗ food 66 sort of idea I'm not quite sure

1:49:24 ↗ what that is and I'm not sure how fanuc

1:49:26 ↗ that is to this area so I need more help

1:49:30 ↗ on that I guess is what I'm we've

1:49:32 ↗ struggled to really get a definition of

1:49:34 ↗ what that is and so anything that you

1:49:37 ↗ can provide us and help us out with that

1:49:39 ↗ like you talked about this agricultural

1:49:41 ↗ stuff was a really good idea and I think

1:49:43 ↗ some of those ideas were good there's a

1:49:45 ↗ little agricultural store over there

1:49:47 ↗ mm-hm you know there there's things the

1:49:50 ↗ grains you know and there's there's

1:49:51 ↗ agricultural throughout this region and

1:49:53 ↗ people come here yep for this and that

1:49:55 ↗ so I think it's an important component

1:49:57 ↗ to address and so so maybe it does reach

1:49:59 ↗ up that way then there's also bones up

1:50:02 ↗ there you know and do we tip our hat to

1:50:04 ↗ that at all you know and maybe that's

1:50:06 ↗ covered in in the craftsman slash arts

1:50:08 ↗ and crafts it sort of in there's

1:50:11 ↗ we're but I don't know it is a tough

1:50:14 ↗ little pocket yeah so my tendency is to

1:50:17 ↗ try to just morph those or errors

1:50:19 ↗ together with the is a quiz style and

1:50:23 ↗ saying about anything go is over in that

1:50:25 ↗ area and maybe through just descriptions

1:50:28 ↗ we say you emphasize this in the old

1:50:31 ↗ route Han is an agricultural vernacular

1:50:34 ↗ because I could offer it as in that in

1:50:38 ↗ that egg culture you can almost blend

1:50:39 ↗ together that cultural and industrial at

1:50:41 ↗ the same time that exact you know the

1:50:44 ↗ restaurants in the ball game type is in

1:50:46 ↗ there we're really reticent to do a lot

1:50:49 ↗ of you know historic recall has really

1:50:52 ↗ got a half you mean to be prescriptive

1:50:54 ↗ about it you really don't want to import

1:50:56 ↗ it that you've got a you know front

1:50:58 ↗ street in the old town is pretty strong

1:51:00 ↗ and I think you've got a really strong

1:51:03 ↗ rationale to say you're going to do

1:51:05 ↗ these styles and and I think in that

1:51:07 ↗ area as opposed once you get over to you

1:51:10 ↗ know beyond that and into the core

1:51:14 ↗ there really isn't you know any

1:51:16 ↗ rationals and because it would be

1:51:18 ↗ imported in a V falsus tourism because

1:51:21 ↗ there's not a context for it that was

1:51:23 ↗ that's how we did the division it's

1:51:27 ↗ tough to pull off by the way it a little

1:51:28 ↗ tough yeah it's tough I have a question

1:51:32 ↗ just on a practical implement

1:51:33 ↗ implementation what comes first do you

1:51:36 ↗ set up the gateways and then there's

1:51:38 ↗ there's infrastructure let's go into

1:51:40 ↗ place and then and then how do you

1:51:41 ↗ handle and grapple with something like

1:51:43 ↗ the Home Depot that that block the super

1:51:46 ↗ blocks over there that are so massive

1:51:48 ↗ and start to break them down question is

1:51:52 ↗ you know there really wasn't any sort of

1:51:55 ↗ instruction in the Central District life

1:51:57 ↗ plan that says that we want to wasn't

1:52:00 ↗ clear to me it says we want to see

1:52:02 ↗ permanence of the big box the buildings

1:52:07 ↗ today because you see a lot of applique

1:52:09 ↗ on them today you know you could get

1:52:12 ↗ along freeways and you see a Walmart

1:52:14 ↗ with the you know these add-ons to the

1:52:18 ↗ entry zappy cruft and a little bit of

1:52:20 ↗ wood on it and you know a little bit of

1:52:22 ↗ stoner

1:52:22 ↗ the entry but essentially it's still a

1:52:24 ↗ big box and we can make those

1:52:26 ↗ suggestions if that's what you you want

1:52:28 ↗ to have to soften these buildings in the

1:52:30 ↗ meantime wouldn't know they're not any

1:52:32 ↗ problem doing that the question is does

1:52:36 ↗ it further just keeps them there longer

1:52:41 ↗ and maybe you really don't want them

1:52:42 ↗ there

1:52:42 ↗ I don't know it's just one of those

1:52:45 ↗ things and on top of that there's this

1:52:47 ↗ whole sort of corporate identity you

1:52:49 ↗ have to work into and to play you know

1:52:52 ↗ Lowe's likes blue you know they're going

1:52:54 ↗ to want to have a lot of blue stuff you

1:52:57 ↗ know Home Depot wants their orange and

1:53:00 ↗ so it's you can tell them no but is it

1:53:03 ↗ is it is it worth fall on your sword for

1:53:05 ↗ and if you want us to do that we can do

1:53:08 ↗ it but the I'm sorry nope yeah that but

1:53:11 ↗ the so the idea is that this is going to

1:53:14 ↗ be guidance but for a long time if we

1:53:19 ↗ can once with once this get in place

1:53:21 ↗ this is going to help the long-term

1:53:25 ↗ planning and ultimate maintenance of the

1:53:28 ↗ identity of the city so when it comes to

1:53:32 ↗ that section with the Fred Meyer and the

1:53:35 ↗ Home Depot with the way things are going

1:53:40 ↗ who knows what big-box retail is going

1:53:43 ↗ to be ten years from now five years ago

1:53:45 ↗ 15 so my understanding is that what

1:53:48 ↗ we're looking at here is not necessarily

1:53:51 ↗ altering what's there now but getting in

1:53:56 ↗ place what we want it to look like if

1:53:59 ↗ and when there are market driven changes

1:54:02 ↗ to the present use peplum is that

1:54:06 ↗ correct yeah okay you've got it in SS

1:54:08 ↗ does it force that yeah we're hard I

1:54:11 ↗ don't do it mm-hm

1:54:12 ↗ and and can I just throw one thing in

1:54:14 ↗ because talking about Fred Meijer and

1:54:16 ↗ Home Depot makes me think of this the

1:54:19 ↗ way the code is written right now is if

1:54:23 ↗ they're doing something to it they have

1:54:26 ↗ to bring it into compliance to the

1:54:29 ↗ greatest extent feasible so I think the

1:54:33 ↗ question is you know as we as this

1:54:35 ↗ evolve

1:54:36 ↗ what is the expectation for those

1:54:39 ↗ buildings that stay as they do various

1:54:43 ↗ you know add-ons and changes are we

1:54:47 ↗ trying to do those incremental

1:54:48 ↗ improvements that Don was suggesting or

1:54:51 ↗ do we just leave them alone during that

1:54:54 ↗ time I mean and I'm not I don't I'm not

1:54:59 ↗ proposing anything I'm just saying

1:55:00 ↗ that's something that we need to

1:55:01 ↗ consider as we have these things that

1:55:03 ↗ might be around for 10 20 30 years

1:55:06 ↗ before they redevelop I'm kind of a

1:55:08 ↗ proportional compliance requirement that

1:55:10 ↗ make a certain amount of investigate

1:55:11 ↗ investment a reinvestment it triggers a

1:55:13 ↗ certain level of upgraded code and it's

1:55:15 ↗ not a problem for us to say if you if

1:55:17 ↗ you're going to have an improvement to a

1:55:20 ↗ big-box and it's in the old itsuka

1:55:22 ↗ district how do you apply some of these

1:55:24 ↗ eclectic elements to that we can do that

1:55:26 ↗ I mean there's no problem with doing

1:55:28 ↗ that it's just a question of I think you

1:55:31 ↗ probably want to do it on white side and

1:55:33 ↗ maybe there's a lot of images and not be

1:55:36 ↗ always say use these kind of elements

1:55:39 ↗ okay and it's more suggestions I've just

1:55:44 ↗ a couple of kind of step back just a

1:55:46 ↗ little bit you put a lot of information

1:55:47 ↗ up on this moon tonight and I'm trying

1:55:49 ↗ to kind of process and what's in the

1:55:53 ↗ scope and what's out because essentially

1:55:55 ↗ you were talking about redefine street

1:55:57 ↗ grids changing building heights

1:55:59 ↗ redefining a character the different

1:56:01 ↗ areas within the central is a quoi plan

1:56:03 ↗ and that's a lot of big moves that you

1:56:06 ↗ put up there and I'm just I guess I'm my

1:56:09 ↗ practical hat on here is what's

1:56:10 ↗ realistic here to try to advance within

1:56:13 ↗ this moratorium period and then what's

1:56:15 ↗ the strategy after that to continue to

1:56:19 ↗ evolve the plan and make it work more

1:56:21 ↗ effectively and deliver on the concerns

1:56:23 ↗ that the the community has been

1:56:25 ↗ expressing so I guess that's my first

1:56:27 ↗ kind of big question about you know kind

1:56:29 ↗ of what's realistically within the scope

1:56:31 ↗ of a change that we're contemplating

1:56:34 ↗ here so what we talked about was when we

1:56:38 ↗ talked about what you had today is you

1:56:40 ↗ have a lot of policy and they have

1:56:42 ↗ standards and guidelines but you didn't

1:56:45 ↗ really have a framework to base as on I

1:56:46 ↗ remember it shows you that you skipped a

1:56:49 ↗ step what we did is

1:56:51 ↗ a quick we need to fill the step in and

1:56:53 ↗ so you could what we're saying is this

1:56:56 ↗ is just we're going to give that to you

1:56:58 ↗ just for your consideration but we

1:57:01 ↗ needed to go out here to come back

1:57:04 ↗ because now we can say you saw what we

1:57:07 ↗ meant by a grid now we're going to give

1:57:09 ↗ you a block standard and it's based on

1:57:12 ↗ something that we've tested rather than

1:57:14 ↗ in the ether we just pulled it out of

1:57:16 ↗ our hat and so you can see how we

1:57:19 ↗ applied it so we're not going to we're

1:57:22 ↗ going to strip a lot of that away we can

1:57:24 ↗ give it to you for advisory information

1:57:25 ↗ but it's not going to be that much stuff

1:57:28 ↗ we're going to just focus on that kind

1:57:31 ↗ of stuff like Harry's people that on the

1:57:32 ↗ property where those lines are going

1:57:33 ↗ through and so it creates a different

1:57:35 ↗ conversation out in the community and

1:57:37 ↗ you haven't had a public discussion

1:57:39 ↗ about that stuff you haven't had any of

1:57:40 ↗ that but it gives you a framework for

1:57:43 ↗ how we're going to get to some really

1:57:46 ↗ staccato concise elements that talk

1:57:49 ↗ about a grid form massing scale and all

1:57:53 ↗ those other things that come along with

1:57:54 ↗ it and a rationale for or you're going

1:57:57 ↗ to require grandpa retail so that helps

1:58:00 ↗ it so some kind of specific feedback on

1:58:02 ↗ some of the things that you talked about

1:58:03 ↗ at the beginning you talked about kind

1:58:05 ↗ of that kind of Issaquah Creek and kind

1:58:10 ↗ of the natural environment that we're

1:58:11 ↗ trying to take advantage of and you've

1:58:12 ↗ got buildings now that turn their back

1:58:13 ↗ on those and the idea of taking

1:58:16 ↗ advantage of those and integrating those

1:58:18 ↗ into the kind of the designs in the

1:58:22 ↗ construction of the buildings that

1:58:23 ↗ happen we're actually facing out and

1:58:25 ↗ having dining areas or restaurants or

1:58:27 ↗ even residential uses that that open out

1:58:30 ↗ onto those spaces so instead of the back

1:58:32 ↗ of the building feeling it's actually a

1:58:34 ↗ part of that I really like that idea I

1:58:36 ↗ think that's a smart thing to really

1:58:38 ↗ take advantage of the assets and and

1:58:40 ↗ that's part of the experience we want

1:58:41 ↗ people to have with whether they're

1:58:42 ↗ living here working here or visiting a

1:58:44 ↗ restaurant so I think that was I like

1:58:46 ↗ that I like that suggestion or idea the

1:58:52 ↗ the idea about the grid system the one

1:58:55 ↗ piece about the separated pedestrian

1:58:57 ↗ through block connections that I think

1:58:59 ↗ is kind of what we have in lining that

1:59:01 ↗ up and so you have these longer

1:59:03 ↗ corridors

1:59:04 ↗ that people can get off the grid of

1:59:07 ↗ traffic and have a more kind of

1:59:11 ↗ pedestrian friendly less intense

1:59:14 ↗ experience I think is a good idea and I

1:59:16 ↗ know we've talked about the green

1:59:18 ↗ necklace and trying to do some of that

1:59:20 ↗ but I think figuring out a way to more

1:59:23 ↗ specifically particularly the central

1:59:24 ↗ core area build in those kind of green

1:59:26 ↗ open spaces and how you connect those

1:59:29 ↗ together to create that experience like

1:59:31 ↗ you talked about where within three

1:59:32 ↗ blocks you need to have some public

1:59:34 ↗ amenity for people and that concept I

1:59:37 ↗ think really is attracted to me too I

1:59:39 ↗ think that that makes a lot of sense I

1:59:40 ↗ like the idea of defining where the kind

1:59:46 ↗ of employers are where you want to try

1:59:48 ↗ to concentrate the retail and then the

1:59:50 ↗ residential because the what you do with

1:59:53 ↗ development in the framing of the

1:59:54 ↗ development in those areas is going to

1:59:56 ↗ be different to attract that kind of use

1:59:59 ↗ and then it took allow those uses to be

2:00:01 ↗ successful uses too so you don't try to

2:00:03 ↗ smoosh them all together all the time

2:00:05 ↗ then you lose that separation at

2:00:07 ↗ character so I like that idea and then

2:00:09 ↗ you plant those seeds and you start they

2:00:12 ↗ start to grow and then it can become

2:00:13 ↗ something even more later once they get

2:00:15 ↗ a foothold I think this idea of a retail

2:00:17 ↗ these retail unknowns that you define so

2:00:21 ↗ I thought that was good and then back to

2:00:22 ↗ the stuff that we deal with a lot the

2:00:25 ↗ idea of you know finding these kind of

2:00:27 ↗ architectural styles and showing some

2:00:30 ↗ images that reflect the architectural

2:00:32 ↗ styles I think is really useful I think

2:00:35 ↗ for us the idea of clarity around

2:00:37 ↗ building form and what we need and I

2:00:39 ↗ showed some good images and I'd like to

2:00:41 ↗ even from the concept you're saying you

2:00:43 ↗ know in the urban center we're looking

2:00:44 ↗ at for use much simpler sorts of

2:00:46 ↗ building forms but that doesn't mean

2:00:48 ↗ that's ultimately the character you get

2:00:50 ↗ there you do a bunch of big blocks

2:00:51 ↗ that's boring but you do some things

2:00:53 ↗ that are more interesting but you have a

2:00:55 ↗ style image and style that you're trying

2:00:58 ↗ to get to so those that was really I

2:01:01 ↗ think interesting and another part

2:01:03 ↗ that's particularly a concern is the and

2:01:08 ↗ been frustrating is the definition of

2:01:10 ↗ what materials go where we just get we

2:01:13 ↗ got the major list of stuff in a metal

2:01:16 ↗ siding wood siding last

2:01:18 ↗ you know Etha you throw it on a table

2:01:21 ↗ and it goes so these the idea of really

2:01:25 ↗ durable materials particularly in that

2:01:26 ↗ urban area like using brick as as a

2:01:29 ↗ primary or stone or is it gives a sense

2:01:34 ↗ of longevity and you really do get

2:01:37 ↗ longevity out of those buildings when

2:01:38 ↗ you're applying those sorts of materials

2:01:40 ↗ and so I thought that being more

2:01:43 ↗ specific about material what materials

2:01:46 ↗ and where they're allowed I think is

2:01:48 ↗ also will really help the character

2:01:50 ↗ definition that you talk about - so

2:01:52 ↗ those were my thoughts as you were

2:01:55 ↗ throwing all those things out there

2:01:57 ↗ there's some good I think there's some

2:01:58 ↗ really good ideas that will be really

2:01:59 ↗ helpful yeah so so we'll be really

2:02:01 ↗ prescriptive about those sorts of things

2:02:04 ↗ and we'll talk about it and so for

2:02:05 ↗ example if we want to have stone at the

2:02:08 ↗ base we're going to say for example we

2:02:11 ↗ say it cannot be half-inch Munir you

2:02:14 ↗ want to depth to it and then we'll show

2:02:16 ↗ you an example it says this is

2:02:18 ↗ appropriate this isn't because sometimes

2:02:21 ↗ if you need to see what's inappropriate

2:02:23 ↗ because it's really clear what you don't

2:02:26 ↗ want to have as well so we'll give you

2:02:28 ↗ what's appropriate and what is

2:02:30 ↗ inappropriate so we'll talk about that

2:02:32 ↗ as well so pick up on that same idea for

2:02:35 ↗ colors would you can consider specifying

2:02:40 ↗ a color palette of primary and secondary

2:02:42 ↗ colors and any parts of this or is that

2:02:45 ↗ too constraining I don't know yet I

2:02:48 ↗ think that that's open for discussion I

2:02:50 ↗ think my tendency is to say yes and to

2:02:55 ↗ really try to limit colors so for

2:02:57 ↗ example if you can do metal rusts you

2:03:00 ↗ don't want red or blue or orange you

2:03:03 ↗ know you want to you know a darker color

2:03:06 ↗ maybe silver maybe you know so that

2:03:09 ↗ they're not dominant so it doesn't look

2:03:11 ↗ like an IHOP you know it's sort of all

2:03:13 ↗ more of an accent yeah mm-hmm but in

2:03:16 ↗ certain areas this is an agricultural

2:03:18 ↗ characteristic maybe Reds okay you know

2:03:21 ↗ there's a you know a barn

2:03:23 ↗ I don't know well think about that so I

2:03:25 ↗ think it's got we need to think about it

2:03:27 ↗ a little bit but I again I think one of

2:03:30 ↗ the

2:03:31 ↗ better objectives is to really to think

2:03:33 ↗ about how buildings are in an urban

2:03:36 ↗ environment you have more background

2:03:37 ↗ buildings than special buildings and you

2:03:42 ↗ reserve the special architecture and the

2:03:44 ↗ special differences to public libraries

2:03:47 ↗ or City Hall Hospital housing doesn't

2:03:52 ↗ necessarily need to be the most

2:03:53 ↗ important building every time it's built

2:03:55 ↗ it needs to be part of the fabric and

2:03:57 ↗ that's what successful neighborhoods are

2:04:00 ↗ so you know it's more about the

2:04:01 ↗ accumulation of the neighborhood rather

2:04:03 ↗ than a specific building and being

2:04:06 ↗ contextual and respectful what's your

2:04:09 ↗ environment in your neighbor and we want

2:04:12 ↗ to push a little bit on that you know

2:04:15 ↗ the time that the buildings in the urban

2:04:18 ↗ design area in some of the forms that we

2:04:20 ↗ saw one of the things I think that in

2:04:22 ↗ thinking about it that seemed to miss

2:04:24 ↗ Tammy on some of them was the lack of

2:04:27 ↗ sloped elements you know you did show

2:04:30 ↗ some sloped roof lines a lot of them

2:04:33 ↗ more and more box-like and I think part

2:04:35 ↗ of the thing in Issaquah it's the Alps

2:04:37 ↗ around us and the slopes define our city

2:04:40 ↗ in large ways so I wonder if some ways

2:04:42 ↗ it can be incorporated in terms of say

2:04:45 ↗ window coverings or not even doesn't

2:04:48 ↗ necessarily have to be a sloped roof but

2:04:51 ↗ sloped elements in the building design

2:04:52 ↗ somewhere that can tie into those vs

2:04:55 ↗ qualms I think we can't do that the

2:04:59 ↗ reason why is typically when you get a

2:05:02 ↗ bigger building you get especially like

2:05:04 ↗ an apartment building there's a need for

2:05:06 ↗ lots of mechanical equipment and other

2:05:09 ↗ things and and typically those go on the

2:05:12 ↗ rough right so that's the value of

2:05:14 ↗ having a flat roof now that doesn't mean

2:05:17 ↗ you have to do that and we can do slopes

2:05:19 ↗ you can do Mansour's you can do you can

2:05:21 ↗ do pent houses you can do all sorts of

2:05:23 ↗ things you know in our sense it's yeah

2:05:25 ↗ you do want to have a slope and then

2:05:28 ↗ also it's just the width of the building

2:05:29 ↗ too so if you've got a 60 foot wide

2:05:31 ↗ building that's a lot of rough yeah well

2:05:34 ↗ not it'll I said not even not

2:05:35 ↗ necessarily the roof per se but even if

2:05:37 ↗ it's even if people are providing some

2:05:39 ↗ window coverings that are small sloped

2:05:41 ↗ window coverings that can break up a

2:05:43 ↗ verdict

2:05:44 ↗ mass in a way I guess they're sort of

2:05:47 ↗ recall the slope of the hills yeah

2:05:49 ↗ and I agree with you on that but again

2:05:53 ↗ you know you start a slippery slope when

2:05:56 ↗ you start getting into this and all of a

2:05:58 ↗ sudden you got this applique and then

2:06:00 ↗ you've got some of the buildings that

2:06:01 ↗ you got today where they said you know

2:06:03 ↗ just stop me before I design again

2:06:05 ↗ because I got everything in the stock

2:06:07 ↗ Andre I know it's just but I guess our

2:06:11 ↗ point is in certain areas you want to

2:06:13 ↗ show a little bit of restraint in any

2:06:15 ↗ you say yeah you can do that but you got

2:06:17 ↗ to make it you got to convince me why

2:06:20 ↗ it's a rationale to do it and we'll give

2:06:22 ↗ you some ways to do that but I think

2:06:24 ↗ you're right we need to give you a

2:06:25 ↗ little bit more to give you a little bit

2:06:28 ↗ more variety in the building okay

2:06:30 ↗ I my reaction is I just have to restrain

2:06:35 ↗ my enthusiasm because I do a good job I

2:06:39 ↗ don't want to be I don't want to be

2:06:41 ↗ overly excited about this I just think

2:06:45 ↗ this is exactly what we have been asking

2:06:49 ↗ for and more and I'm very very

2:06:53 ↗ enthusiastic about this and I I didn't

2:06:58 ↗ see a single thing that was a in terms

2:07:01 ↗ of a style or a concept or whatever that

2:07:03 ↗ I saw is it there was nothing negative

2:07:06 ↗ about it I really appreciate the

2:07:09 ↗ definition of the districts and the

2:07:13 ↗ matching of the architectural styles and

2:07:16 ↗ and the concepts of linking them

2:07:17 ↗ together the the one thing though that I

2:07:22 ↗ just think has to be that has to be very

2:07:26 ↗ clear is how that how the different

2:07:29 ↗ forms of traffic are going to connect

2:07:32 ↗ and that we do no harm we don't that the

2:07:39 ↗ ultimate aspect of this is that that

2:07:42 ↗ there is at least a maintenance of

2:07:45 ↗ existing movement speed and efficiency

2:07:48 ↗ true through the districts and and

2:07:51 ↗ that's the

2:07:53 ↗ that's obviously that's what everybody

2:07:54 ↗ wants but getting it is going to be a

2:07:58 ↗ challenge with the growth we've got

2:08:00 ↗ ahead and particularly with the SD three

2:08:02 ↗ stations coming in but as far as the

2:08:04 ↗ rest of it is concerned I was I'm

2:08:06 ↗ tremendously and impressed by it so I

2:08:09 ↗ you know I think you're right and I

2:08:11 ↗ think you got to maintain the regional

2:08:13 ↗ facilities but the grid helps you

2:08:15 ↗ getting people to change mode to take

2:08:18 ↗ transit to take bike tricks and walking

2:08:22 ↗ it because probably right now you've

2:08:24 ↗ probably got ninety nine percent of

2:08:26 ↗ people are driving you want to get that

2:08:28 ↗ down to 75 or 60 so as you can absorb

2:08:32 ↗ growth your traffic volumes aren't going

2:08:35 ↗ that are locally generated you it's

2:08:37 ↗ tougher to control the regional trips

2:08:39 ↗ that's what I'm saying

2:08:40 ↗ you need a concept that says we're going

2:08:42 ↗ to reclaim our core and see where the

2:08:45 ↗ regional trips are important we need to

2:08:46 ↗ maintain those but maybe we don't have

2:08:48 ↗ the there on the edge outsides and not

2:08:51 ↗ on the inside

2:08:52 ↗ and so that that's it's a we're pushing

2:08:56 ↗ the scope here because that's you know

2:08:59 ↗ we're talking about it but much more

2:09:01 ↗ traffic analysis and much more public

2:09:04 ↗ discourse about these roadways but it's

2:09:06 ↗ a concept we want to maybe distill what

2:09:09 ↗ we showed you down to maybe a much more

2:09:12 ↗ of a diagram because part of the yeah

2:09:17 ↗ I've talked enough about for the

2:09:19 ↗ rationale for this and I ask one last

2:09:22 ↗ question just about you know let's let's

2:09:25 ↗ fast forward movin 30 40 years down the

2:09:28 ↗ road communities like this then employ

2:09:30 ↗ these these tools become very self

2:09:35 ↗ selecting communities you know you

2:09:37 ↗ talked about Carmel but I would cite

2:09:39 ↗ Palo Alto Boulder Colorado yeah these

2:09:43 ↗ types of places tend to become very self

2:09:46 ↗ selecting and in order to inhabit these

2:09:49 ↗ places you have to hire a guy like me to

2:09:51 ↗ help you navigate how to get anything

2:09:53 ↗ done so I think in essence it forces

2:09:58 ↗ mixed income or lower income people out

2:10:01 ↗ of this city and so I think the question

2:10:05 ↗ is how do you address

2:10:07 ↗ mixed-income low income for the

2:10:11 ↗ long-term does my question make sense

2:10:13 ↗ yes it just becomes this boutique

2:10:16 ↗ precious place and and that's that's the

2:10:18 ↗ the only pitfall I see in in creating

2:10:24 ↗ something else special it's out of scope

2:10:27 ↗ for us but I think it's an issue that

2:10:28 ↗ really needs to be addressed and well

2:10:31 ↗ because we've been doing this I've done

2:10:32 ↗ affordable housing studies for housing

2:10:35 ↗ authorities around the country in in we

2:10:38 ↗ know this is not a unique situation and

2:10:40 ↗ it's really it's a policy decision and

2:10:42 ↗ it's a funding decision and it's also

2:10:44 ↗ then figuring out where you going to

2:10:45 ↗ what you're going to wear you're going

2:10:47 ↗ to pick up the land and build it

2:10:48 ↗ bottom line is you you know inclusionary

2:10:52 ↗ zoning and other things like that is a

2:10:53 ↗ good thing to do but in the end if you

2:10:56 ↗ want to have a range of incomes in the

2:10:59 ↗ city that's seen an elevated cost you're

2:11:02 ↗ going to have to build you may not ever

2:11:04 ↗ catch up but at least you're doing some

2:11:07 ↗ so I know what else it is that the other

2:11:10 ↗ advantage is that you do give people to

2:11:12 ↗ not spend all their money on commuting

2:11:14 ↗ and cars and driving if they can walk if

2:11:16 ↗ I can take transit so instead of

2:11:18 ↗ spending five six thousand a year on a

2:11:20 ↗ car I maybe throw that into rent and

2:11:22 ↗ maybe I can afford its place like this

2:11:24 ↗ okay so it's not an answer but in it and

2:11:26 ↗ I know it's it's not necessarily a

2:11:28 ↗ responsibility and I know it is it is a

2:11:31 ↗ largely a policy discussion but I have

2:11:33 ↗ seen you know it has that potential yeah

2:11:37 ↗ you know the it's just a nature of

2:11:40 ↗ planning you know you can either be

2:11:41 ↗ reactive or proactive and you choose and

2:11:44 ↗ be proactive I mean and those are the

2:11:46 ↗ places that last you know you could say

2:11:50 ↗ yeah we're going to be very affordable

2:11:52 ↗ but it's kind of you know it's because

2:11:54 ↗ it's nobody we really want to be there

2:11:56 ↗ and how exactly I mean that's it's a you

2:12:00 ↗ know it's a tough decision

2:12:01 ↗ yep all right thank you uh-huh I think

2:12:05 ↗ it's obvious that what we're pretty

2:12:08 ↗ excited about what we've seen I guess

2:12:10 ↗ the I guess the thought that keeps

2:12:12 ↗ puzzling through my mind is how do we

2:12:14 ↗ what what are the steps or one's the

2:12:16 ↗ mechanism to

2:12:18 ↗ to make sure people understand what

2:12:21 ↗ appears to be a pretty good change at

2:12:24 ↗ where do we where do we go from here and

2:12:25 ↗ that and I know we'll have a draft but

2:12:27 ↗ how do is there a plan to have public

2:12:29 ↗ meetings to talk about this or to show

2:12:32 ↗ that I don't know and the reason I'm

2:12:41 ↗ asking is I think that I think there

2:12:42 ↗ would be a lot of people who come to

2:12:44 ↗ these meetings regularly it would be

2:12:45 ↗ really excited about what they're

2:12:47 ↗ hearing so so these are open to the

2:12:50 ↗ public and well we appreciate their

2:12:53 ↗ towns and I know that I know that at

2:12:57 ↗ least a few people are watching because

2:12:58 ↗ I'm getting text so what I would say is

2:13:02 ↗ from here and I do want to answer my

2:13:05 ↗ question so that was a good one it was

2:13:07 ↗ kind of schooling around in my head the

2:13:09 ↗ one related to scope I mean I think I

2:13:12 ↗ think what we heard tonight about

2:13:14 ↗ architecture is was probably clearly

2:13:16 ↗ with everybody's expectation that that's

2:13:18 ↗ what one of the things that we were

2:13:19 ↗ going to be doing but as you kind of

2:13:21 ↗ then pivot to urban design that's where

2:13:24 ↗ you potentially can fall off the edge of

2:13:26 ↗ the planet right I mean what do you put

2:13:29 ↗ in that box in what you put out you know

2:13:31 ↗ some of the things that I heard and I'm

2:13:33 ↗ I'm having this so that they can maybe

2:13:35 ↗ start to focus on what they thought was

2:13:36 ↗ you know the things that the pieces that

2:13:39 ↗ are key to moving forward with this

2:13:42 ↗ particular project you know the the

2:13:45 ↗ orientation to the King County trail and

2:13:48 ↗ to the creeks was definitely one Orban

2:13:51 ↗ design element that was kind of primary

2:13:53 ↗ to this I heard ground floor units

2:13:56 ↗ having direct access out onto the street

2:13:59 ↗ as being key you know there's probably a

2:14:01 ↗ few other nuggets that are worth kind of

2:14:03 ↗ spooling around on and talking about

2:14:05 ↗ priority you know as it relates to some

2:14:08 ↗ of these other pieces you know those are

2:14:13 ↗ important I mean I think as we start to

2:14:16 ↗ then you know how they then go from

2:14:19 ↗ potentially a concept like you know the

2:14:22 ↗ so the street grid that they've shown on

2:14:25 ↗ a map tonight is not consistent with

2:14:28 ↗ what's in the plan and so the question

2:14:30 ↗ is is what do you

2:14:31 ↗ do with that inconsistency at this point

2:14:33 ↗ and are we are we making any

2:14:35 ↗ recommendations on revisiting the

2:14:37 ↗ transportation portion of central

2:14:40 ↗ Issaquah plan or not coming out of this

2:14:42 ↗ we certainly can I think part of what we

2:14:44 ↗ need to assemble over the following

2:14:48 ↗ conversations that we're going to have

2:14:49 ↗ about this is what are these pieces do

2:14:52 ↗ you guys want to latch on to and try to

2:14:55 ↗ effect changes on I think you know as we

2:14:59 ↗ started to talk about urban design

2:15:00 ↗ things like balconies and access direct

2:15:04 ↗ access to the streets we're kind of the

2:15:06 ↗ low bar that we want to make sure we hit

2:15:08 ↗ but then how far above that we go I

2:15:10 ↗ think we can somewhat figure that out as

2:15:13 ↗ we move forward with this and part of it

2:15:15 ↗ may be based on some of the next the

2:15:18 ↗ next iterations and I wanted to at least

2:15:21 ↗ key in one of the things that I think

2:15:23 ↗ they said was this is this is not you

2:15:27 ↗ getting a 100% draft document next and

2:15:30 ↗ saying okay you know just go ahead and

2:15:31 ↗ and put this on a shelf somewhere I mean

2:15:34 ↗ I guess I would equate it more to

2:15:36 ↗ getting like a 10% set of drawings and a

2:15:38 ↗ 30% set of drawings and the 60% of 90%

2:15:41 ↗ so that it evolves along the way to the

2:15:43 ↗ by the time the final draft comes in

2:15:46 ↗ everybody's feeling comfortable with

2:15:48 ↗ scope and kind of what we chose to bring

2:15:51 ↗ forward and whatnot now it could

2:15:53 ↗ ultimately be that we have this design

2:15:55 ↗ manual but then maybe there's a set of

2:15:58 ↗ ancillary recommendations that this

2:16:00 ↗ commission might want to make to the

2:16:02 ↗ City Council for 2018 work items 2019

2:16:06 ↗ work items 2020 work guys yeah so so

2:16:10 ↗ that's I guess I would leave that one

2:16:11 ↗ it's kind of an open door Mike I think

2:16:13 ↗ it was a great question to ask I think

2:16:14 ↗ it was kind of spooling around in my

2:16:16 ↗ head too but that I think I needed to

2:16:20 ↗ say that so Richard I think in terms of

2:16:22 ↗ public process so where we go from here

2:16:25 ↗ there's another conversation with the

2:16:28 ↗ council you know once we get kind of

2:16:30 ↗ things moving forward a little bit

2:16:31 ↗ further and then ultimately we're

2:16:34 ↗ talking about code revisions so that

2:16:35 ↗ goes to planning policy commission and

2:16:37 ↗ so there's other opportunities there you

2:16:40 ↗ know the good thing about moving

2:16:42 ↗ six balls forward at the same time is is

2:16:46 ↗ these conversations should then affect

2:16:49 ↗ the conversations about district visions

2:16:52 ↗ neighborhood visions as we start to

2:16:54 ↗ potentially you know as you guys start

2:16:56 ↗ to resonate on yeah let's you know let's

2:16:59 ↗ differentiate the eleven hundred acres

2:17:02 ↗ of central Issaquah into maybe three

2:17:05 ↗ distinct architectural zones to start to

2:17:08 ↗ create some distinction within that

2:17:10 ↗ overall area well okay how does that now

2:17:12 ↗ jive with the districts and the district

2:17:15 ↗ and because what we're trying what we're

2:17:17 ↗ hearing out of the districts is you know

2:17:19 ↗ people want to have some distinction

2:17:22 ↗ within those neighborhoods to you know

2:17:26 ↗ have a sense of place have a character

2:17:28 ↗ that may differentiate maybe a

2:17:31 ↗ neighborhood south of i90 from one north

2:17:33 ↗ of i90 well architecture has a lot to do

2:17:36 ↗ with that and so we need to start to

2:17:39 ↗ kind of weave some of these pieces

2:17:41 ↗ together along with parking and

2:17:44 ↗ affordable housing because I don't think

2:17:47 ↗ we want to be Vale you didn't pick Vale

2:17:49 ↗ you pick Boulder and I'll go with Vale

2:17:52 ↗ although Boulder similar so I think I

2:17:55 ↗ mean I think all of these things start

2:17:57 ↗ to fit together it's a lot there's a lot

2:18:00 ↗ of stuff moving this year related to the

2:18:02 ↗ moratorium it's all really good the

2:18:05 ↗ reason why we're doing these things on

2:18:07 ↗ TV is so that there there is a video

2:18:09 ↗ record as well you know we I know I've

2:18:11 ↗ told a lot of people to watch their

2:18:15 ↗ presentations there's a lot of things

2:18:17 ↗ that they say whoever said I'm a was

2:18:21 ↗ Randy there's a lot of information

2:18:22 ↗ tonight there was a lot of information

2:18:24 ↗ tonight I mean it might take a day to

2:18:26 ↗ kind of unpack some of it and start to

2:18:28 ↗ you know get some sense of you know what

2:18:31 ↗ it all meant to us so so all I'm saying

2:18:33 ↗ is we're kind of figuring this out as we

2:18:36 ↗ go if you guys feel like there's needs

2:18:39 ↗ to be some other public opportunities

2:18:41 ↗ let's talk about that because I don't

2:18:44 ↗ think we're opposed to that but I don't

2:18:46 ↗ know that we know what that looks like

2:18:48 ↗ just yet there's there's other public

2:18:51 ↗ conversations know if it's it's next

2:18:55 ↗ week I think

2:18:56 ↗ some vision there's vision conversation

2:18:58 ↗ what happening one on may tenth and one

2:19:00 ↗ are may 26 ones that atlas so there's

2:19:05 ↗ one being held at Atlas and one being

2:19:08 ↗ held somewhere else my apologies I'm

2:19:11 ↗ sure it's on the moratorium page I

2:19:12 ↗ showed you guys earlier so part of it

2:19:14 ↗ will be as we talk to the community

2:19:16 ↗ about the neighborhood visions be

2:19:19 ↗ talking about the what's what we're

2:19:20 ↗ hearing in the architectural piece as

2:19:22 ↗ well I mean it all needs to fit together

2:19:24 ↗ Ryan you had your hand up

2:19:27 ↗ oh yeah I was just going to make a point

2:19:29 ↗ about you brought up connecting north

2:19:32 ↗ and south i-90 and just if you had a

2:19:36 ↗ proposed solution for that I know there

2:19:38 ↗ is you know you have friend Street 900

2:19:39 ↗ then there is like a little under way

2:19:43 ↗ but it's kind of designed kind of

2:19:46 ↗ strange then getting to the Costco side

2:19:48 ↗ you have to drive all the way north all

2:19:50 ↗ the way to cross over so if there's

2:19:52 ↗ something to hold that and we kind of

2:19:55 ↗ rushed over that will give you that

2:19:56 ↗ because I think there's really at least

2:19:59 ↗ two crossings that you need to make one

2:20:01 ↗ would be related to light rail and the

2:20:03 ↗ other would be another roadway and

2:20:05 ↗ that's all in your central is clip some

2:20:08 ↗ of the roadway stuff of it we thought

2:20:10 ↗ about that a lot okay we'll do that

2:20:14 ↗ so procedure is our next look would be

2:20:17 ↗ maybe May 25th but that would be our

2:20:19 ↗ last look as a I think we have to

2:20:22 ↗ revisit the schedule okay son because if

2:20:25 ↗ we're going to do two touches and

2:20:27 ↗ outline and so it may be so part of it

2:20:32 ↗ is we need to talk to them now about

2:20:35 ↗ next steps you know it may very well be

2:20:37 ↗ that we get like a draft and then staff

2:20:39 ↗ goes through that with you guys has a

2:20:42 ↗ form of conversation and then we then

2:20:45 ↗ Skype a conversation with them so they

2:20:47 ↗ don't have to come up so many times I

2:20:49 ↗ can only afford to transport them up so

2:20:52 ↗ much yeah as I think towards the end

2:20:56 ↗ will be very helpful the mechanics of

2:20:58 ↗ our decision making process your applies

2:21:01 ↗ complies checkbox and those kind of

2:21:04 ↗ things in suit because because the end

2:21:06 ↗ is we've got to give you a product that

2:21:07 ↗ you can use on a project-by-project base

2:21:10 ↗ to review a project and and that's our

2:21:14 ↗ sole focus is really is to provide you

2:21:17 ↗ that tool to do it and to provide as

2:21:19 ↗ much as we sit in the first

2:21:21 ↗ predictability as possible for you and

2:21:24 ↗ the developer so that you know the games

2:21:26 ↗ are the rules and so we'll get there

2:21:29 ↗ it's just one last thing I would say

2:21:31 ↗ though I would really push on a grid

2:21:33 ↗ because it really defines everything

2:21:36 ↗ from the architecture to the access

2:21:39 ↗ points and there's lots of ways we can

2:21:42 ↗ do with the grid but you know you have

2:21:44 ↗ none today and it's really the

2:21:47 ↗ difference between urban places and

2:21:49 ↗ suburban places is the grid if I say if

2:21:52 ↗ you got one thing out of this process

2:21:53 ↗ and nothing else it would be the grid I

2:21:55 ↗ really want to push that right now so I

2:21:59 ↗ don't want that to slip away and to say

2:22:01 ↗ oh we can't do that because we you know

2:22:04 ↗ maybe zone change we haven't had enough

2:22:06 ↗ discussion about that I'd urge to have

2:22:08 ↗ the discussion because the grid is a big

2:22:10 ↗ deal my my big deal my one hope ultimate

2:22:15 ↗ hope is that this process will allow me

2:22:18 ↗ personally when it comes to decision

2:22:21 ↗ time to have far fewer reluctant

2:22:26 ↗ positive decisions yep and has been a

2:22:30 ↗ case of - now yeah because you want to

2:22:33 ↗ be able to say when you review the

2:22:34 ↗ project it says this is what it said in

2:22:36 ↗ the guide you either comply - you didn't

2:22:39 ↗ that's why I'm not voting for you or I'm

2:22:41 ↗ going to prove it because it's

2:22:42 ↗ consistent with the what's in the guide

2:22:44 ↗ oh just on the emphasis you just made on

2:22:50 ↗ the grid out of all of the concepts that

2:22:53 ↗ you can vote up that's the biggest lift

2:22:55 ↗ by far and change that you're suggesting

2:22:57 ↗ and you think about the current street

2:23:02 ↗ network that exists in the super block

2:23:04 ↗ condition are super super blocks in some

2:23:06 ↗ cases they're huge

2:23:08 ↗ and how you create those kind of through

2:23:12 ↗ connections for vehicles and pedestrians

2:23:13 ↗ etc it has to happen somehow but I think

2:23:18 ↗ that's a big policy conversation that

2:23:21 ↗ maybe staff and

2:23:23 ↗ you and maybe you know in some contact

2:23:25 ↗ with what the council need to think

2:23:29 ↗ about how far we want to take that

2:23:31 ↗ conversation now yeah that's a pretty

2:23:34 ↗ big community conversant

2:23:38 ↗ define a grid you're going to have

2:23:39 ↗ you're going to struggle to talk about

2:23:41 ↗ active edges pedestrian ways and how

2:23:46 ↗ buildings relate to the public realm

2:23:48 ↗ unless you've got a grid we can distill

2:23:51 ↗ it down and make it generic so it's not

2:23:53 ↗ specific to to pursue the specific site

2:23:56 ↗ and give it enough flexibility so that

2:23:58 ↗ can change depending on things but you

2:24:01 ↗ need to have a framework which these

2:24:03 ↗ buildings sitting in which these open

2:24:06 ↗ spaces relate to and because without

2:24:10 ↗ that you've got what you got today well

2:24:12 ↗ you know yeah I totally understand the

2:24:15 ↗ concept and I agree that you need that

2:24:17 ↗ that's the urban environment I mean

2:24:18 ↗ that's what you'll find in two

2:24:19 ↗ successful cities is the you know the

2:24:21 ↗ smaller blocks have got big blocks

2:24:23 ↗ they've got through connections and the

2:24:25 ↗ loud pastor eats them to move through so

2:24:27 ↗ you don't have those long hikes you've

2:24:29 ↗ got to make to get from one place to

2:24:30 ↗ another it just it's just a strategy

2:24:33 ↗ that needs to be I think thought through

2:24:35 ↗ how do we get from where we are now to

2:24:36 ↗ start rolling that conversation out and

2:24:38 ↗ eventually figure out how to make it

2:24:40 ↗ happen and how to fund it and et cetera

2:24:43 ↗ it I also believe without it we don't

2:24:45 ↗ have as much ability to have street

2:24:47 ↗ suite level commercial on those

2:24:48 ↗ buildings because then you kind of cut

2:24:50 ↗ off two edges that you could have had

2:24:51 ↗ plus the pedestrian walkways you can

2:24:53 ↗ move traffic through there by having

2:24:54 ↗ more pedestrian more bicycle pathways

2:24:57 ↗ that are outside of the road traffic so

2:24:59 ↗ it would make a huge difference in the

2:25:00 ↗ way people interact with the environment

2:25:05 ↗ any other comments commissioners well we

2:25:10 ↗ really really appreciate it we're

2:25:11 ↗ excited we're encouraged really feels

2:25:14 ↗ like you're going right way and so we're

2:25:16 ↗ looking forward to what then what the

2:25:18 ↗ next meetings are going to reveal so I

2:25:20 ↗ guess with no other comments I would

2:25:21 ↗ turn the meeting all right thank you

2:25:24 ↗ thank you

2:25:29 ↗ okay you want to save this somewhere

2:25:40 ↗ you

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