City Council Services, Safety & Parks Committee · Monday, December 11, 2023 · City Council Digest

3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of September 19, 2023

packet pp.5–6

▶ Watch from 1:42 Open packet at p.5 ↗

Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 09-19-23 City Council Services, Safety & Parks Page (1) Committee Minutes CITY OF ISSAQUAH City Council Services, Safety & Parks Committee 6:30 PM Council Chambers, 135 E. September 19, 2023 MINUTES Sunset Way, Issaquah WA

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Municipal Building Decarbonization Study Resolution ID 1505

30 min · David Reedy, Sustainability Coordinator · packet pp.7–36

Topics: Climate

Open packet at p.7 ↗

Staff report:

C. Letter of Support - Climate Solutions

Julius Boehm Pool Feasibility Study ID 1557

60 min · Jeff Watling, Director, Parks and Human Services Brian Berntsen, Recreation Manager Brian Love, Project Architect and Design Lead, NAC · packet pp.37–307

Topics: Parks

Open packet at p.37 ↗

Staff report:

In late 2022, the City of Issaquah was awarded an Aqua�c Facili�es Grant from King County Parks. City Council accepted and authorized this grant on April 3, 2023, through AB 8587. This grant is funded through the 2020-2025 King County Parks Levy and is intended to assist communi�es in preserving and expanding access to public pools. The City of Issaquah sought and received the grant to study adding water capacity within the exis�ng Julius Boehm Pool site.

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1:47 ↗ September 19th 2023 does anyone wish to

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2:04 ↗ discussion minutes there was a slight

2:07 ↗ change and I believe that's been

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2:13 ↗ membership to accurately reflect the

2:15 ↗ current members thank you okay thanks so

2:17 ↗ so we will vote on the uh amended uh

2:20 ↗ minutes all in favor I opposed

2:25 ↗ extensions carries three to zero thank

2:26 ↗ you very much with that we'll move on to

2:29 ↗ ID 1905 Municipal Building

2:32 ↗ decarbonization study resolution with

2:34 ↗ David REI sustainability coordinator

2:48 ↗ welcome all right

2:51 ↗ um I think we're good to go so thank you

2:56 ↗ very much council members for having us

2:58 ↗ here tonight um I'm here to talk about

3:00 ↗ the municipal building decarbonization

3:03 ↗ resolution

3:05 ↗ um so and my name is David Rey I'm the

3:08 ↗ sustainability coordinator for the city

3:11 ↗ so the purpose of this resolution is uh

3:13 ↗ to set the city um on a path to

3:17 ↗ Electrify and decarbonize our existing

3:20 ↗ uh municipal buildings um and this would

3:23 ↗ specifically um further us towards uh

3:26 ↗ targets identified in the climate action

3:28 ↗ plan uh as well as advanced specific

3:31 ↗ actions um laid out within the the

3:34 ↗ climate action plan specifically under

3:36 ↗ the

3:37 ↗ overarching uh climate action plan goals

3:39 ↗ and the uh buildings in

3:43 ↗ energy so the direction that we are

3:46 ↗ seeking tonight is to Pro uh asking for

3:48 ↗ feedback on the draft resolution as well

3:51 ↗ as asking for feedback uh on whether to

3:54 ↗ proceed with the resolution to the full

3:58 ↗ Council so so just as a little bit of

4:00 ↗ background um municipal buildings uh

4:04 ↗ represent the largest source of

4:07 ↗ greenhouse gas emissions CommunityWide

4:10 ↗ as well as for us at the city of isqua

4:14 ↗ the numbers on the slide uh above me are

4:17 ↗ from the regional 2019 uh greenhouse gas

4:21 ↗ inventory and I'll be coming uh before

4:23 ↗ the council later uh in 2024 to talk

4:26 ↗ about updated numbers from

4:27 ↗ 2022 um but the story really Remains the

4:30 ↗ Same that um buildings represent roughly

4:34 ↗ half of the greenhouse gas emissions

4:36 ↗ CommunityWide and just under half the uh

4:40 ↗ greenhouse gas emissions for the city

4:42 ↗ itself and that's through greenhouse gas

4:45 ↗ emissions from uh electricity use and

4:47 ↗ then also from uh gas as

4:52 ↗ well so when we are thinking about how

4:55 ↗ to address uh the greenhouse gas

4:57 ↗ emissions from buildings to achieve the

4:59 ↗ targets laid out in the climate action

5:02 ↗ plan um we have uh a few different ways

5:05 ↗ to think about this first off there's uh

5:07 ↗ the

5:08 ↗ community uh the community greenhouse

5:11 ↗ gas emissions from from existing

5:13 ↗ buildings and then from uh the building

5:15 ↗ and interconnection of any new building

5:18 ↗ stock within the city and then on the

5:20 ↗ municipal side thinking about our own uh

5:23 ↗ operations we have our existing building

5:25 ↗ stock and any new buildings that we

5:26 ↗ either acquire or build and what this

5:29 ↗ decarbonization resolution and the study

5:31 ↗ that would come out of it um is really

5:34 ↗ focused on is that Municipal existing

5:37 ↗ buildings line there so thinking about

5:40 ↗ what are the ways that we can

5:41 ↗ decarbonize our current existing

5:43 ↗ buildings that we that we

5:47 ↗ operate so this kind of just highlights

5:50 ↗ this slide highlights a number of all

5:52 ↗ the different uh efforts that are

5:54 ↗ underway to address um building um

5:58 ↗ greenhouse gas emissions generally it's

6:00 ↗ not a one one siiz fits uh solution um

6:05 ↗ on the community side there's a whole

6:06 ↗ host of different um actions and

6:09 ↗ initiatives both at the city level state

6:11 ↗ level uh Etc and then on the municipal

6:15 ↗ side of things we have a lot of

6:17 ↗ different studies a lot of different

6:19 ↗ actions that are being

6:21 ↗ uh furthered and the municipal building

6:24 ↗ decarbonization assessment really is

6:26 ↗ going to fit in and work closely with

6:30 ↗ many of the other uh studies and efforts

6:32 ↗ that we're we're pursuing right now and

6:35 ↗ a lot of the ones that I have

6:37 ↗ highlighted under the municipal column

6:39 ↗ there um these are ones these are

6:41 ↗ studies and and efforts that really work

6:43 ↗ very closely together and build on each

6:46 ↗ other to help us think through what are

6:48 ↗ the different Investments um and the

6:50 ↗ different opportunities to uh improve

6:53 ↗ our current facilities decarbonize our

6:56 ↗ facilities address um equipment end of

6:59 ↗ life

7:01 ↗ Etc and I built this little slide here

7:04 ↗ to kind of show uh the nesting of these

7:07 ↗ different studies together so some of

7:10 ↗ the studies uh each of the studies asks

7:13 ↗ different questions right so we have for

7:15 ↗ instance the facilities condition

7:17 ↗ assessment which is really looking at

7:19 ↗ what is the current existing condition

7:22 ↗ of our equipment of our facility stock

7:26 ↗ and what would it take to really address

7:28 ↗ any of the uh

7:30 ↗ uh issues that that we're seeing right

7:32 ↗ now the energy Audits and

7:34 ↗ decarbonization assessment are more

7:37 ↗ Forward Thinking so saying well if we

7:39 ↗ wanted to improve our Energy Efficiency

7:42 ↗ in our uh facilities or and or if we

7:45 ↗ wanted to decarbonize our facilities to

7:47 ↗ meet our climate action plan goals what

7:50 ↗ would that take would that uh what are

7:52 ↗ the Investments we can make what are the

7:55 ↗ costs of that what are the equipment uh

7:58 ↗ opportunities what renewable energy

8:00 ↗ could we uh conceivably put on our

8:03 ↗ facilities and that would work really

8:05 ↗ closely with the facilities condition

8:06 ↗ assessment so at the end of all of this

8:09 ↗ we can have a better chance of saying or

8:11 ↗ a better idea of saying you know what

8:13 ↗ condition is failing or needs to be

8:15 ↗ replaced in any given year and what are

8:17 ↗ the opportunities and the good uh uh

8:21 ↗ equipment and the good um paths forward

8:24 ↗ to replace that equipment moving forward

8:26 ↗ to reach our our multifaceted goals at

8:29 ↗ the

8:31 ↗ city so diving into really what the

8:34 ↗ assessment means um that uh would come

8:39 ↗ out of this resolution so it would be

8:41 ↗ starting um really this this winter um

8:44 ↗ probably in January of 2024 although um

8:48 ↗ we have energy Audits and the facilities

8:50 ↗ condition of assessment uh which I'm

8:52 ↗ sure you're familiar with that's already

8:55 ↗ either completed or or ongoing right now

8:58 ↗ and the goal is to look at all City uh

9:02 ↗ City buildings um and this was both a

9:06 ↗ staff recommendation and it was um

9:09 ↗ encouraged by the environmental board as

9:11 ↗ well and the idea here is to think about

9:14 ↗ where we can make the greatest impact on

9:18 ↗ uh climate emissions or greenhouse gas

9:20 ↗ emissions within our city so easily the

9:22 ↗ the most uh obvious uh area here is

9:26 ↗ buildings that we own and operate but

9:28 ↗ then given that we work with a number of

9:31 ↗ third-party entities to operate and um

9:35 ↗ some of our buildings that we own um the

9:37 ↗ decarbonization assessment would help us

9:41 ↗ uh enter into conversations with those

9:43 ↗ thirdparty entities to figure out what

9:45 ↗ is the city's responsibility and if it

9:47 ↗ is the city's responsibility to replace

9:49 ↗ equipment uh Etc we can um have a better

9:52 ↗ sense on what that equipment the best uh

9:55 ↗ opportunities for that equipment are and

9:58 ↗ if it's not on the City's responsibility

10:00 ↗ we can enter in conversations with that

10:01 ↗ third party entity to make

10:04 ↗ recommendations and to provide

10:05 ↗ additional information that can help

10:07 ↗ that third party entity uh make informed

10:10 ↗ decisions on uh facilities work moving

10:13 ↗ forward the idea is that this is going

10:16 ↗ to be done uh in tandem with energy

10:18 ↗ audits investment grade energy Audits

10:20 ↗ and preliminary energy audits when

10:22 ↗ possible uh to make sure that we're

10:24 ↗ really uh having all of these studies

10:27 ↗ speak closely together work together uh

10:31 ↗ and so we're not duplicating uh any uh

10:34 ↗ efforts but really just making sure that

10:36 ↗ uh these the studies are uh adding to

10:39 ↗ each

10:40 ↗ other and then really at the end of this

10:44 ↗ uh we hope um that we're going to really

10:47 ↗ understand what is it going to take to

10:49 ↗ decarbonize uh or Electrify our

10:52 ↗ municipal buildings for every single

10:54 ↗ facility what is it going to take for a

10:56 ↗ public works facility to decarbonize for

10:59 ↗ the pool what is it going to take Etc

11:02 ↗ I'm sorry what does it mean to

11:04 ↗ decarbonize yeah so to decarbonize what

11:06 ↗ we're talking about is removing the use

11:09 ↗ of fossil fuels from that facility so

11:12 ↗ having that facility generally run on

11:15 ↗ electricity and that uh the idea is that

11:18 ↗ with the state um clean energy

11:22 ↗ requirements over the next 10 15 years

11:26 ↗ all of our electricity is going to come

11:27 ↗ from renewable sources is um at the

11:30 ↗ state level as well or from Puget Sound

11:32 ↗ Energy okay so so it's specifically to

11:36 ↗ just for energy sources to get away from

11:39 ↗ from hydrocarbons yes exactly and the

11:42 ↗ idea with working with things like

11:44 ↗ energy audits Etc is to say well we

11:47 ↗ don't want to just take away fossil fuel

11:49 ↗ use from those buildings but we want to

11:50 ↗ make sure our buildings are energy

11:52 ↗ efficient as well right we don't want to

11:55 ↗ we don't want to Electrify everything

11:57 ↗ and then allow that energy to go out

11:58 ↗ into the the world because we haven't

12:00 ↗ weatherized and we haven't changed the

12:02 ↗ windows Etc right so we want to really

12:04 ↗ do these pieces hand in

12:09 ↗ hand so the municipal building

12:12 ↗ decarbonization resolution is really uh

12:15 ↗ asking uh the city to do three main main

12:19 ↗ things the first is to uh uh do the

12:24 ↗ decarbonization assessment do that

12:26 ↗ inventory of City facilities to evaluate

12:29 ↗ uh what are the opportunities and what

12:32 ↗ would it take to retrofit our existing

12:34 ↗ buildings to become all electric by

12:37 ↗ 2030 second it directs the city to

12:39 ↗ explore opportunities to collaborate

12:41 ↗ with other entities um along

12:44 ↗ decarbonization uh work and then third

12:46 ↗ it directs the city to make

12:48 ↗ recommendations on next steps for for

12:51 ↗ our city facilities uh pulling together

12:54 ↗ uh information that comes out of the

12:56 ↗ facilities condition assessment the

12:57 ↗ energy audits and then also this

12:59 ↗ decarbonization assessment so it directs

13:02 ↗ the city to kind of put all of these

13:04 ↗ together and and uh make some uh

13:06 ↗ additional

13:09 ↗ recommendations uh this slide really

13:11 ↗ just kind of highlights what we're what

13:13 ↗ we should be able to do at the end of

13:15 ↗ all this right know when and where to

13:16 ↗ make prioritized prioritized Investments

13:20 ↗ understanding specific projects uh what

13:23 ↗ specific projects we can pursue um being

13:26 ↗ prepared to make accurate uh and

13:28 ↗ appropriate budget requests and uh

13:31 ↗ accurate and informed requests uh for

13:33 ↗ the

13:34 ↗ CIP um as well as support us in making

13:38 ↗ uh funding and Grant requests um there's

13:41 ↗ a lot of money out there right now and

13:42 ↗ if we've done our work right we should

13:44 ↗ be able to have a better sense on what

13:47 ↗ funding we might need and what support

13:48 ↗ we might need to make this uh work

13:51 ↗ happen at the

13:53 ↗ city uh and this this uh slide is just

13:57 ↗ kind of highlighting that um we are

13:59 ↗ doing a lot of studies but I want to

14:01 ↗ assure um everyone that we are still

14:04 ↗ pursuing individual projects at the same

14:06 ↗ time so nothing is on pause while we are

14:09 ↗ uh fully on pause while we're doing

14:10 ↗ these studies but we're still pursuing

14:12 ↗ individual heat pump projects we're

14:14 ↗ still furthering uh looking at solar on

14:16 ↗ City facilities pursuing electric

14:19 ↗ vehicle infrastructure and so we're not

14:21 ↗ stopping the individual projects while

14:23 ↗ we're doing studies but we are doing

14:25 ↗ studies so that we are going to be as

14:27 ↗ prepared as possible in the the long

14:31 ↗ run so speaking to the options uh the

14:35 ↗ environmental board supports advancement

14:37 ↗ of the resolution as a public commitment

14:39 ↗ to assess a pathway for decarbonizing

14:41 ↗ the city's buildings and this public

14:44 ↗ commitment is a little bit more specific

14:45 ↗ than what is laid out in the climate

14:47 ↗ action plan it provides a little bit

14:49 ↗ more um direct uh actions as to what the

14:54 ↗ city will be doing to reach those

14:56 ↗ actions laid out in the climate action

14:58 ↗ plan

14:59 ↗ and then it also signals to um our city

15:03 ↗ uh businesses to our uh to our residents

15:07 ↗ and then to other cities uh in the

15:09 ↗ nearby area that this is something that

15:11 ↗ the city of isqua supports and it would

15:14 ↗ uh hopefully encourage other cities to

15:16 ↗ consider similar uh style uh resolutions

15:20 ↗ or similar style work our

15:22 ↗ decarbonization resolution uh was

15:24 ↗ influenced and uh by uh ones that we've

15:27 ↗ seen passed by cities such as Olympia as

15:30 ↗ well so adding to that um adding to that

15:35 ↗ uh set of cities that is that is

15:37 ↗ furthering this work is something that

15:39 ↗ we we hope to do without the resolution

15:42 ↗ the city can still complete the

15:44 ↗ decarbonization assessment work but

15:46 ↗ we'll uh we will not have as strong a

15:48 ↗ public commitment to doing

15:51 ↗ so uh the rec the administration

15:53 ↗ recommends that the city council approve

15:55 ↗ the municipal building decarbonization

15:57 ↗ resolution

16:00 ↗ uh and just speaking to the next steps

16:02 ↗ uh so we're hoping to have the

16:05 ↗ resolution approved in January and

16:07 ↗ finalizing the scope of work with some

16:09 ↗ uh con uh contractors then we'll be

16:11 ↗ doing the work mainly through February

16:14 ↗ and June uh to June of this year and

16:17 ↗ then we would be taking that and sharing

16:19 ↗ that results with the uh environmental

16:23 ↗ board and with um with others as as

16:26 ↗ necessary and using that to really

16:28 ↗ inform our budget requests and Grant

16:30 ↗ applications moving

16:33 ↗ forward so the direction we're looking

16:35 ↗ for tonight is for either the committee

16:38 ↗ to support advancement of the resolution

16:40 ↗ to councel have the committee support

16:42 ↗ advancement of the resolution to council

16:44 ↗ with modifications or having the

16:47 ↗ committee uh not support the advancement

16:49 ↗ of the resolution to

16:51 ↗ council and to now I am happy to take

16:55 ↗ any questions uh and as uh yeah council

17:00 ↗ member Joe thank you Mr

17:03 ↗ chairman first to comment um in my work

17:07 ↗ role I had an opportunity to serve on

17:08 ↗ the samamish climate Action Group as

17:11 ↗ they were trying to put their plan

17:13 ↗ together and uh I can just say that

17:15 ↗ through those conversations it seemed

17:17 ↗ that they were following what we had

17:19 ↗ already done and were almost copying

17:21 ↗ what we did uh word for word maybe

17:24 ↗ because I inserted a few suggestions

17:25 ↗ along the way but um besides that the

17:29 ↗ the question I had was um The Proposal

17:32 ↗ asked that uh we approve this uh

17:35 ↗ decarbonization assessment and will

17:38 ↗ analyze the feasibility of re

17:40 ↗ retrofitting existing municip building

17:42 ↗ municipal buildings to become all

17:44 ↗ electric by 2030 visibility is kind of a

17:46 ↗ little bit of a slippery word in some

17:49 ↗ ways can you give us some examples of um

17:52 ↗ things that we would weigh on each side

17:54 ↗ is it a purely a cost benefit analysis

17:56 ↗ is it some other uh formula that we we

17:58 ↗ have in mind I don't necessarily want to

17:59 ↗ know the the exact numbers but um can

18:02 ↗ you give us some of the items that would

18:04 ↗ be weighed on each side so that our

18:05 ↗ citizens can look at that uh in a more

18:07 ↗ transparent way yeah so I think as

18:11 ↗ we

18:13 ↗ uh approach kind of this question of

18:16 ↗ what what is feasible to decarbonize our

18:18 ↗ uh building stock um the the pieces that

18:22 ↗ are going to really uh stand out there

18:25 ↗ are cost um and then the other big one

18:27 ↗ is going to equipment right so uh the

18:31 ↗ pool uh is a good example in that the

18:34 ↗ pool represents around 50% a little

18:37 ↗ under 50% of the fossil fuel use in our

18:40 ↗ Municipal

18:42 ↗ facilities and so uh thinking about

18:45 ↗ decarbonizing our pool um we will have

18:49 ↗ to work with our Consultants to figure

18:51 ↗ out what can we do here what is the

18:53 ↗ equipment available what is the

18:55 ↗ renewable energy capabilities on the the

18:58 ↗ existing structure and any uh expansion

19:01 ↗ expansion structure Etc right I know

19:04 ↗ that kind of Tails uh fits well with a

19:06 ↗ future discussion right so uh all of

19:09 ↗ this is kind of uh intended to present

19:12 ↗ us with the options of what would it

19:13 ↗ really take for us to get to decarbonize

19:16 ↗ our building and then um we would then

19:19 ↗ work with our facilities team um the

19:22 ↗ users of the different buildings so the

19:24 ↗ Parks and Recreation Department for

19:25 ↗ instance to figure out what is the the

19:27 ↗ feas path

19:30 ↗ forward thank

19:32 ↗ you council member D Michelle do you

19:34 ↗ have any

19:35 ↗ questions yes I do and first of all let

19:37 ↗ me say thank you to David because I had

19:39 ↗ a lot of questions and and uh he gave me

19:43 ↗ a lot of very good answers so thank you

19:45 ↗ I'm going to ask a couple of those

19:47 ↗ publicly so that the public can also

19:49 ↗ hear them so as you know a lot of our

19:52 ↗ city-owned buildings are uh leased out

19:55 ↗ to

19:56 ↗ nonprofits and those nonprofits are at

19:58 ↗ all different places in terms of their

20:01 ↗ Building Maintenance and um some of them

20:04 ↗ are moving forward or trying to move

20:06 ↗ forward to decarbonize now so I just

20:10 ↗ want to make sure that this feasibility

20:12 ↗ study isn't going to uh slow down any of

20:16 ↗ those efforts to go ahead with uh with

20:18 ↗ those entities to go ahead with

20:21 ↗ decarbonization and uh modernization of

20:24 ↗ their facilities absolutely and thank

20:26 ↗ you for that question thank you for

20:28 ↗ questions earlier uh definitely helps me

20:31 ↗ um make sure I'm addressing the right

20:33 ↗ things in the room yeah um uh in short

20:37 ↗ we're not expecting this to slow down

20:40 ↗ any existing work moving forward with

20:42 ↗ our third party entities um if there are

20:45 ↗ individual projects as I highlighted

20:47 ↗ earlier uh those can absolutely continue

20:50 ↗ in in collaboration with our facilities

20:53 ↗ Department

20:54 ↗ um really the the study is intended to

20:57 ↗ think longterm um and help uh inform

21:02 ↗ decisions uh moving forward so if

21:05 ↗ there's a project now that is moving

21:06 ↗ forward that is great if there's a

21:09 ↗ project that uh a thirdparty entity

21:12 ↗ wants to pursue say in the summer or in

21:15 ↗ the fall the hope is that we'll be able

21:17 ↗ to take this decarbonization assessment

21:19 ↗ and come to the table with a little bit

21:21 ↗ more information and support for that

21:22 ↗ third party entity um as they are

21:25 ↗ seeking to uh decarbonize their own op

21:28 ↗ operations okay thank you and then um uh

21:33 ↗ I you know I wanted to make clear for

21:35 ↗ the

21:37 ↗ community um how this is operating in

21:40 ↗ relationship with the uh climate action

21:43 ↗ plan and uh particularly there was one

21:46 ↗ statement in the in the uh uh slides

21:50 ↗ that said uh this will um have a more

21:54 ↗ public commitment to to doing the work

21:56 ↗ and so my question was why isn't the

22:00 ↗ action plan our our already public

22:04 ↗ commitment and why do we need this extra

22:07 ↗ emphasis um on top of the climate action

22:11 ↗ plan that we already have yeah thank you

22:14 ↗ for that question and um feel free to

22:15 ↗ jump in Stacy if you'd like but I think

22:17 ↗ my response would generally be that um

22:20 ↗ the climate action plan has a number of

22:22 ↗ actions it's got a number of targets but

22:25 ↗ for the most part it's a little higher

22:26 ↗ level right it it indicates that we are

22:29 ↗ pursuing uh decarbonization of our

22:32 ↗ Municipal

22:33 ↗ facilities what this resolution is doing

22:36 ↗ is it's uh it's taking it one step

22:39 ↗ further it's providing a little bit more

22:40 ↗ detail about what we're really um going

22:42 ↗ to be looking at it's providing a little

22:44 ↗ bit more of a timeline around that uh

22:47 ↗ and so it's it's committing us to uh fur

22:51 ↗ take one step further down that route uh

22:54 ↗ than the climate action plan does um and

22:56 ↗ so it'll help help us uh help us kind of

23:00 ↗ move down that down that path well if I

23:03 ↗ were to characterize it as this is a

23:06 ↗ operational component of a plan we

23:08 ↗ already have in place this is putting

23:10 ↗ more meat on the bones of that higher

23:14 ↗ level would that be

23:18 ↗ correct yes hi uh Stacy Vin McKenry

23:21 ↗ sustainability manager um yes I would

23:23 ↗ agree with that the results of this

23:25 ↗ study will be providing the details

23:27 ↗ where we and then work very closely with

23:29 ↗ the facilities team um and others to

23:32 ↗ determine the pathway forward for

23:34 ↗ pursuing uh projects within the

23:36 ↗ buildings okay and thank you and just

23:39 ↗ one more um and that's uh the

23:41 ↗ relationship of this to our

23:43 ↗ deliberations that we'll be having in

23:45 ↗ the fall for the 2526 budget I just want

23:49 ↗ to again be clear and and thank you for

23:51 ↗ your answer but just in public that

23:54 ↗ we're really not uh making early Comm

23:57 ↗ commitments to anything in the 2526

24:00 ↗ budget correct absolutely yes the the uh

24:04 ↗ funding for this study is already set

24:06 ↗ aside um and the resolution is is just

24:10 ↗ that public commitment to do the study

24:11 ↗ that we are planning on doing anyways

24:14 ↗ all right well thank you very very much

24:16 ↗ David absolutely um three questions uh

24:20 ↗ first off

24:22 ↗ um so in reducing uh the use the

24:25 ↗ production of carbon obviously I get uh

24:28 ↗ Energy Efficiency and the things that we

24:30 ↗ can do to reduce the use of energy in

24:32 ↗ buildings when you say uh okay we'll be

24:36 ↗ moving to uh renewable energy sources do

24:40 ↗ we know as of today if we took a

24:42 ↗ building and just replac the use of

24:45 ↗ natural gas with the uh energy systems

24:49 ↗ that are currently in place how much of

24:51 ↗ an improvement in uh carbon footprint

24:54 ↗ would we get great question um

24:58 ↗ so today um we work with Puget Sound

25:03 ↗ Energy as our energy supplier um and I

25:06 ↗ don't have their exact carbon breakdown

25:09 ↗ of their electricity uh it is getting

25:12 ↗ better but it's not great right now um

25:15 ↗ over the next 10 years they do have to

25:19 ↗ provide renewable energy to cover their

25:21 ↗ entire uh an electricity Supply

25:24 ↗ additionally I will also say that we are

25:27 ↗ a Subs subcriber to huget Sound Energy's

25:29 ↗ green direct program which provides uh

25:32 ↗ direct renewable energy um for our

25:38 ↗ Municipal for for many of our municipal

25:41 ↗ buildings uh from a solar facility and a

25:45 ↗ a Wind Facility that Puget Sound Energy

25:47 ↗ operates and then there's additional

25:48 ↗ opportunities to uh additionally connect

25:52 ↗ our energy use uh electricity use from

25:55 ↗ the city to other renewable energy

25:58 ↗ sources as well okay I guess at some

26:00 ↗ point I'd want to make sure that um the

26:03 ↗ changes that we're talking about even in

26:05 ↗ the near term wouldn't result in a net

26:08 ↗ increase in carbon production because I

26:11 ↗ know although we have a vision of where

26:12 ↗ we're going to get to that has a bunch

26:14 ↗ of cost associated with it absolutely

26:17 ↗ that also gets it sort of the second

26:18 ↗ question I'm glad to hear you mention

26:20 ↗ solar and wind because my understanding

26:22 ↗ is we have a challenge with our Hydro

26:24 ↗ right because on the one hand we have a

26:26 ↗ lot of hydro on the other it's sort of

26:28 ↗ involved in a intricate system where

26:30 ↗ California claims some of that as their

26:32 ↗ benefit and want to make sure that we're

26:34 ↗ not relying on we're not double dipping

26:38 ↗ on the benefit of having that Hydro

26:39 ↗ right because it's wonderful that we

26:40 ↗ have it but it's also my understanding

26:43 ↗ is even though electrons are electrons

26:47 ↗ California claims some of that benefit

26:49 ↗ right we we we sell effectively sell

26:52 ↗ some of that benefit to California yeah

26:54 ↗ and and that's a great point and I my

26:56 ↗ understanding is um to just to address

26:59 ↗ your other your previous question a

27:00 ↗ little bit more um through the

27:02 ↗ decarbonization assessment since this is

27:04 ↗ a study one of the things that'll come

27:06 ↗ out of it will be some of those

27:07 ↗ greenhouse gas emission savings

27:09 ↗ associated with um equipment switch outs

27:12 ↗ right so if we were to take a fossil

27:14 ↗ fuel or a gas heater and change it to an

27:16 ↗ electric heat pump um as part of that

27:19 ↗ we'll get a sense on what is that

27:21 ↗ actually going to do to to our bottom

27:24 ↗ line greenhouse gas emissions so that'll

27:26 ↗ be that'll be helpful good and then as

27:28 ↗ it relates to the the renewable energy

27:30 ↗ that's going to get uh supplied through

27:32 ↗ Puget Sound Energy my understanding is

27:35 ↗ that the majority of new uh energy that

27:38 ↗ they're looking at is kind of that solar

27:39 ↗ and wind

27:41 ↗ opportunities um I think generally on

27:44 ↗ the the Eastern side of the Cascades um

27:47 ↗ Wally if you have other thoughts uh no I

27:50 ↗ was just going to ask David if you could

27:52 ↗ talk a little bit about the community

27:54 ↗ solar project that we're involved in

27:56 ↗ with fug s energy

27:58 ↗ long time in the works but we'll

27:59 ↗ actually start seeing um some placement

28:02 ↗ of the panels and and how that Community

28:05 ↗ solar project act work and how others

28:09 ↗ absolutely yeah so so as Wally uh

28:12 ↗ referenced um we are pursuing and and

28:15 ↗ moving forward with a community solar

28:17 ↗ project that is uh will be located on

28:20 ↗ the community center um and so that's uh

28:24 ↗ a project that would produce it's aund

28:27 ↗ 80 some odd kilowatts uh it's an 180

28:31 ↗ some odd kilowatt uh system um and that

28:34 ↗ would provide shares of direct Community

28:38 ↗ created solar energy uh or uh generated

28:43 ↗ solar energy that uh community members

28:46 ↗ can subscribe to there's a certain

28:48 ↗ amount of that that would be uh

28:50 ↗ specifically set aside for low income as

28:52 ↗ well which is really wonderful to see um

28:54 ↗ and so that's going to be uh a really a

28:57 ↗ a wonderful project on one of our own

29:00 ↗ Municipal facilities on additional

29:02 ↗ Municipal facilities and as part of this

29:04 ↗ assessment we are um hoping to explore

29:07 ↗ additional opportunities to to produce

29:10 ↗ uh to generate renewable energy and that

29:12 ↗ would ideally go towards Municipal

29:14 ↗ operations so offsetting the uh

29:18 ↗ electricity use that we are uh using um

29:22 ↗ and so we as part of this going to be

29:24 ↗ looking at it for for all of our city

29:26 ↗ facilities which is really exciting and

29:28 ↗ seeing where does it make sense where

29:31 ↗ has the roof space for it whose roof is

29:33 ↗ is really adequate to hold solar systems

29:37 ↗ uh which roofs are need to be replaced

29:39 ↗ before they can put a solar system on

29:41 ↗ Etc sure okay I just want to reiterate

29:44 ↗ that down the road as we look to some of

29:46 ↗ these things that we talk about the

29:50 ↗ near-term what it'll mean for carbon not

29:53 ↗ just the when we eventually get to the

29:55 ↗ point where all the energy coming from

29:57 ↗ sound energy is fully renewable because

29:59 ↗ there is a carbon cost associated with

30:01 ↗ going to electricity and hopefully even

30:04 ↗ in the short term there's an advantage

30:06 ↗ to moving to electricity and I'd love to

30:08 ↗ see those see those numbers the last

30:10 ↗ question I have is around electricity

30:11 ↗ infrastructure two questions one uh a

30:14 ↗ question that I get sometimes from the

30:15 ↗ community which is I mean look I own an

30:18 ↗ electric car I charge my car every 3

30:20 ↗ days um uh that's a load on the system

30:24 ↗ and as we move to more uh moving away

30:27 ↗ from natural gas towards electricity uh

30:30 ↗ the first half of the question is do we

30:31 ↗ have the infrastructure in place to

30:33 ↗ support that going forward and the

30:34 ↗ second is you know isqua is on like four

30:36 ↗ different electrical grids and I'm

30:38 ↗ unfortunately on the grid that's least

30:40 ↗ reliable on squawk Mountain where every

30:41 ↗ time there's a major storm on the other

30:43 ↗ side of the pass my power goes out and

30:45 ↗ so for myself personally I have natural

30:48 ↗ gas and I have a generator so that when

30:50 ↗ the power goes out all I have to do is

30:52 ↗ run the blower um but as a city as we

30:55 ↗ look to Electrify um what are we going

30:59 ↗ to do about this hodgepodge of

31:02 ↗ electrical systems that we have and the

31:04 ↗ differing levels of reliability to our

31:07 ↗ four different

31:08 ↗ elect yeah thank you for that question

31:10 ↗ and and I'll mainly Focus my response on

31:13 ↗ kind of the the reliability for our

31:15 ↗ Municipal facilities as as this uh

31:17 ↗ through this decarbonization resolution

31:19 ↗ uh and assessment so as as part of this

31:22 ↗ assessment and as our uh Consultants

31:25 ↗ will be looking at uh

31:27 ↗ the opportunities to Electrify our

31:30 ↗ facilities as part of that it is a

31:32 ↗ question of what can the grid take right

31:34 ↗ now um if we were to say completely take

31:39 ↗ the the uh Public Works campus for

31:41 ↗ instance off of uh natural gas and put

31:44 ↗ it to electricity um what is the op what

31:47 ↗ is that going to do on our uh

31:49 ↗ electricity availability and then maybe

31:51 ↗ what would uh Puget Sound Energy's

31:53 ↗ upgrades need to be to accommodate that

31:56 ↗ right and so as part of this it's really

31:59 ↗ to help us think through what are those

32:01 ↗ conversations we're going to need to

32:02 ↗ have with Puget Sound Energy to make

32:04 ↗ sure that um our facilities can still

32:08 ↗ operate reliably even recognizing when

32:12 ↗ there are power outages and recognizing

32:14 ↗ that as more uh more electricity demand

32:18 ↗ goes onto our grid that it uh is a

32:20 ↗ strain on the grid um I would also say

32:22 ↗ as another piece of this uh there is the

32:25 ↗ opportunity to look at um battery

32:28 ↗ storage technology as well and through

32:30 ↗ the kind of the renewable energy piece

32:32 ↗ of this we're hoping to look at uh

32:35 ↗ battery storage and so that would allow

32:36 ↗ us to provide that extra level of backup

32:40 ↗ and security for the operations of our

32:42 ↗ Municipal facilities if we can uh

32:45 ↗ incorporate that so that you know even

32:47 ↗ if there is a major event that we will

32:49 ↗ have uh we'll we'll know some options

32:52 ↗ for uh battery backup systems that'll

32:54 ↗ allow our facilities to continue to

32:56 ↗ operate which would be um really

32:58 ↗ important in any sort of emergency

33:00 ↗ situation got it all right well thank

33:03 ↗ you for answering those questions I I

33:04 ↗ appreciate it absolutely if we don't

33:07 ↗ have any further questions I guess we

33:08 ↗ can move to the deliberation phase

33:10 ↗ although if we have members of the

33:12 ↗ public uh that wish to speak to

33:15 ↗ us uh on this subject we can do that

33:18 ↗ before we deliberate we have a member of

33:20 ↗ the public in the audience who wishes to

33:21 ↗ speak to this

33:25 ↗ issue thank you

33:27 ↗ uh is there anyone online interested no

33:30 ↗ all right Liberation can you put up the

33:33 ↗ uh questions again that we're

33:35 ↗ deliberating on I can but I'm going to

33:37 ↗ have to probably start from the

33:39 ↗ beginning

33:41 ↗ no here we go from beginning Direction

33:45 ↗ needed got it up here but here we

33:48 ↗ go sorry about that but all

33:55 ↗ right there we go

33:57 ↗ there we go yes all right so first

34:01 ↗ question uh does the committee support

34:03 ↗ advancement of resolution to

34:05 ↗ council council member J yes I think

34:09 ↗ this is a good public statement that we

34:10 ↗ continue to um be committed to our

34:13 ↗ climate action goals and I think that it

34:15 ↗ should go back to

34:17 ↗ council council member D Michelle yes I

34:20 ↗ I support it um I had a lot of questions

34:24 ↗ about it because and uh and I'm sure

34:27 ↗ that staff knows this better than we do

34:30 ↗ but our community is just wanting so

34:35 ↗ much for this uh for our climate action

34:38 ↗ plan to move forward rapidly as rapidly

34:41 ↗ as we can and I did not want us to get

34:44 ↗ hung up on a resolution um but uh I've

34:48 ↗ heard assurances over and over again

34:49 ↗ that things are going to be moving

34:51 ↗ forward while we get the resolution in

34:53 ↗ place and uh I don't think it ever hurts

34:56 ↗ for us to make a a public statement uh

34:58 ↗ in support of decarbonization so I will

35:01 ↗ support sending this to the to the

35:04 ↗ council thank

35:06 ↗ you yep I'm uh uh fully in agreement I

35:10 ↗ think that uh uh climate change is the

35:14 ↗ biggest challenge that we have and so uh

35:16 ↗ Solutions need to be local and state and

35:19 ↗ federal and Global so for

35:23 ↗ it do you have everything you need from

35:25 ↗ us today I believe so thank you all very

35:27 ↗ much thank you so much for your

35:29 ↗ presentation and and answering our

35:31 ↗ various questions absolutely thank you

35:34 ↗ with that we will move on to ID

35:37 ↗ 1557 Julius boom pool feasibility study

35:40 ↗ with Jeff Watling our director of parks

35:42 ↗ and Human Services Brian bernston

35:44 ↗ Recreation manager and Brian Love

35:46 ↗ Project architect and design lead with

35:47 ↗ NAC

35:49 ↗ gentlemen

35:51 ↗ welcome thank you uh committee chair

35:53 ↗ Marts good evening council members Jeff

35:55 ↗ Watling uh I'm going to provide a a

35:57 ↗ really brief uh introduction and some

35:59 ↗ background as as Brian is setting up the

36:02 ↗ the presentation and then hand it over

36:03 ↗ to

36:04 ↗ him uh as you're all familiar the Julius

36:07 ↗ bone pool is immensely popular uh these

36:11 ↗ last five years we've seen um increased

36:13 ↗ usage um so many ways uh whether it's

36:16 ↗ lessons lap swim other community swim

36:19 ↗ activities uh it supports six high

36:21 ↗ school teams so three boys high school

36:23 ↗ teams three girls high school teams um

36:26 ↗ and in many way is

36:28 ↗ overprescribed um with with that reality

36:31 ↗ uh and really pressing Demand on current

36:33 ↗ use and future use um also recognizing

36:37 ↗ the reality of of building a new

36:38 ↗ Aquatics facility is probably in the

36:40 ↗ neighborhood of50 to $60 million not

36:43 ↗ including land uh we felt it was is it

36:46 ↗ was really prudent to uh dig in and

36:49 ↗ really explore what um capacity

36:51 ↗ improvements might be possible on the

36:53 ↗ existing site so in 2002 we saw a King

36:56 ↗ County Grant uh were awarded $880,000

36:59 ↗ uh thank you you authorized that earlier

37:02 ↗ this year uh we began this feasibility

37:04 ↗ study in Ernest Brian bernston

37:07 ↗ Recreation manager LED that effort with

37:09 ↗ the steering committee uh Brian love um

37:12 ↗ um architect with NAA Architects will

37:15 ↗ will be here to to walk through the

37:17 ↗ results of that study um I I want to

37:19 ↗ touch on a few really quick things

37:22 ↗ though uh there have been some

37:23 ↗ improvements made to the pool and we

37:25 ↗ felt it was really important that this

37:26 ↗ feasibility study recognized um and

37:29 ↗ built upon uh the the work that was done

37:32 ↗ there was a feasibility study done in

37:34 ↗ 2009 uh that explored not only some

37:37 ↗ expansion opportunities on site but what

37:40 ↗ a new pool might look like somewhere

37:41 ↗ else uh that really informed um the 2013

37:45 ↗ Park Bond uh you may be familiar with

37:48 ↗ that um in that Park Bond it was a $10

37:50 ↗ million Bond 5 million of that went

37:53 ↗ towards pool improvements uh that

37:55 ↗ feasibility study study in 2009 really

37:57 ↗ informed that work uh that $5 million of

38:00 ↗ investment really went to system

38:02 ↗ improvements a lot of Aging life cycle

38:05 ↗ issues that were happening at the pool

38:07 ↗ um and has really set the pool on a

38:09 ↗ great course uh that the community is is

38:11 ↗ enjoying and has really increase life of

38:13 ↗ that pool what it didn't do was increase

38:16 ↗ uh capacity uh for the pool and so

38:19 ↗ building upon that this feasibil

38:21 ↗ feasibility study really looked at how

38:23 ↗ do we take those Investments and this

38:25 ↗ new life uh that's been infused into

38:27 ↗ that pool um and consider expansion and

38:30 ↗ see if it's possible to do it in a

38:31 ↗ really cost effective way cost effective

38:34 ↗ relative to building a brand new pool

38:37 ↗ somewhere else um I won't bury the lead

38:40 ↗ um yes the feasibility study did did

38:42 ↗ explore um and and recognize there is

38:46 ↗ some potential to to quite frankly

38:48 ↗ double water capacity on the site um and

38:51 ↗ again do it in a in a relatively cost

38:53 ↗ effective way so uh with that I'm going

38:56 ↗ to turn it over to Brian and Brian and

38:59 ↗ uh look forward to our discussion and

39:01 ↗ questions you have and um any

39:04 ↗ conversations about next

39:08 ↗ steps thank you Jeff good evening

39:10 ↗ council

39:11 ↗ members Brian burnson Parks and

39:13 ↗ Recreation or parks and Community

39:15 ↗ Services uh

39:18 ↗ manager tonight we got the uh julus bone

39:21 ↗ pool study for

39:22 ↗ you you

39:24 ↗ are on our purpose tonight

39:27 ↗ we're our purpose is to show the results

39:28 ↗ of the pool visibility study Jeff gave

39:30 ↗ you a little glimpse of that one when he

39:31 ↗ was talking and the potential for an

39:33 ↗ on-site expansion of the JSP pool uh

39:36 ↗ we're going to be seeking Council input

39:38 ↗ feedback and requests for additional

39:43 ↗ information the direction that we're

39:45 ↗ going to be looking for tonight and is

39:47 ↗ needed is uh seeking the committee

39:49 ↗ feedback on the following um to consider

39:52 ↗ this option for expanding pool capacity

39:54 ↗ further in the coming years and in

39:56 ↗ balance with the other capital

39:57 ↗ investment priorities that we have um to

40:00 ↗ explore the possible funding sources and

40:02 ↗ develop a funding strategy that includes

40:05 ↗ Regional Grants County and state and

40:08 ↗ other

40:09 ↗ partners and to forward the study and

40:11 ↗ presentation to the full Council the

40:13 ↗ January 2nd meeting as an informational

40:19 ↗ item moving into our presentation I'd

40:21 ↗ like to uh introduce Brian love with Nic

40:24 ↗ architecture who has been working with

40:26 ↗ us and our steering committee for a

40:28 ↗ little over six months and uh thank you

40:30 ↗ to the steering committee members that

40:31 ↗ have showed up because they spent a lot

40:33 ↗ of time the past six months and

40:35 ↗ dedicated some serious time to a lot of

40:36 ↗ discussion on this one so thank you with

40:39 ↗ that

40:46 ↗ Brian thank you Brian I know adding to

40:49 ↗ the confusion tonight we are practically

40:51 ↗ twins so try to keep us

40:54 ↗ separated um underscore some of the

40:57 ↗ other members of our team that we had to

40:59 ↗ be able to weigh in on the feasibility

41:00 ↗ study I was joined by Brooke Hanley as

41:02 ↗ well Aquatics expert and the project

41:04 ↗ manager for this effort additionally we

41:07 ↗ had someone who did the actual

41:08 ↗ facilities assessment of the existing

41:10 ↗ pool and that was Ryan nrer and then kin

41:13 ↗ Ballard did the market assessment and

41:15 ↗ demographics report as well as the

41:17 ↗ operations analysis that's his expertise

41:19 ↗ um because we wanted a complete

41:21 ↗ visibility report that could speak to

41:22 ↗ how uh an expansion would work on the

41:25 ↗ area that's on the site and it is not an

41:27 ↗ an easy site um we did have a civil

41:29 ↗ engineer join us to be able to speak to

41:31 ↗ some of those practicalities and

41:33 ↗ additionally we had a cost estimator as

41:37 ↗ well course none of this could have been

41:39 ↗ um informed or even really begun without

41:42 ↗ the stakeholder committee to be able to

41:44 ↗ guide and provide input so we had of

41:47 ↗ course members of The Parks and Rec uh

41:49 ↗ Department as well as people who operate

41:51 ↗ the pool people from the city that could

41:53 ↗ speak to the practicalities of building

41:55 ↗ on this site and then of course major

41:57 ↗ stakeholders that uh use the julus bone

41:59 ↗ pool as

42:01 ↗ well so um in three big steps I want to

42:05 ↗ underscore what I'm going to tell you

42:07 ↗ tonight see the first task that we'll be

42:09 ↗ going over is really looking at that

42:11 ↗ demographics information and then

42:13 ↗ linking that to how that guides what we

42:16 ↗ end up needing um for that pool to be

42:18 ↗ programmed for the size and the features

42:21 ↗ of that pool then we look at the design

42:24 ↗ of what could be constructed on the site

42:26 ↗ um as well as some of the options that

42:28 ↗ we considered along the way with the

42:30 ↗ guidance of the stakeholder group then

42:32 ↗ finally uh some of the financial

42:33 ↗ information the cost both of the uh

42:36 ↗ facility itself as well as in the

42:38 ↗ operations aspects of how that pool

42:42 ↗ operates so the first task that we're

42:45 ↗ looking at the demographics information

42:47 ↗ that we looked at uh point out that

42:49 ↗ there are two service areas that we

42:51 ↗ consider for people that are going to be

42:52 ↗ using the pool that primary service area

42:54 ↗ is the city of isqua itself

42:56 ↗ but you know pool facilities are are

42:58 ↗ able to draw from a larger area so we do

43:00 ↗ consider a secondary service area too

43:03 ↗ and this is the isqua School District

43:05 ↗ boundary um we also have separate

43:07 ↗ service areas because the demographics

43:08 ↗ are slightly different in ways that are

43:10 ↗ statistically significant so the

43:12 ↗ secondary service area tends to have a

43:14 ↗ slightly higher income slightly younger

43:17 ↗ people and slightly more children per

43:19 ↗ household and those three together uh

43:22 ↗ predict a larger um interest and demand

43:26 ↗ for

43:27 ↗ Aquatics additionally we don't look at

43:29 ↗ this at just a point in time we look at

43:31 ↗ this over a trajectory of some 5 years

43:34 ↗ and So within that 5 years although

43:35 ↗ there isn't projected to be a

43:37 ↗ significant increase in population in

43:40 ↗ this area I I think we have a question

43:41 ↗ for one one of our council members

43:43 ↗ council member D Michelle yeah sorry to

43:44 ↗ interrupt you but um I was really

43:46 ↗ interested in in this uh graphic and you

43:50 ↗ know because we are a Crossroads

43:52 ↗ Community we also get a lot of people

43:53 ↗ from Belleview Ron uh and I know you had

43:57 ↗ to draw the boundary somewhere but uh

44:00 ↗ you know a lot of those people also use

44:03 ↗ our facilities in our parks and and so

44:05 ↗ forth uh I have a nephew in Kent who

44:08 ↗ comes up and practices on the ball

44:09 ↗ fields all the time so so um uh at any

44:14 ↗ point did you take any of those other

44:15 ↗ communities into um into consideration

44:18 ↗ or did you just need to draw the line

44:21 ↗ somewhere at some point we did need to

44:23 ↗ just draw a boundary and say this is the

44:24 ↗ primary area that we're going to study

44:26 ↗ to determine

44:27 ↗ feasibility that kind of threshold

44:30 ↗ aspect but you are correct that as a

44:32 ↗ part of uh this study itself we did look

44:35 ↗ at the other pools in the area um that

44:38 ↗ are available to the public and then

44:40 ↗ also looked at The Amity that they offer

44:43 ↗ and so things like the length of the

44:44 ↗ pool as well as the number of lanes that

44:46 ↗ they have since that begins to talk to

44:49 ↗ the relative utility of that pool for

44:51 ↗ some of the people that are the most um

44:55 ↗ Ardent users of the pool some of the

44:56 ↗ competitive swim

45:02 ↗ programs we we do look at these numbers

45:05 ↗ over time as well and so there aren't as

45:07 ↗ many um increase in population over that

45:10 ↗ 5-year period but really the basis of

45:12 ↗ this feasibility report is that there's

45:14 ↗ just such a significant amount of unmet

45:16 ↗ demand currently fact I say even going

45:19 ↗ back 15 years every feasibility report

45:21 ↗ west of the mountains would say there

45:23 ↗ just there isn't nearly as much water to

45:26 ↗ be able to support the demand in this

45:27 ↗ area uh I also want to point out that we

45:30 ↗ we feel for your community and how hard

45:32 ↗ it is to get into those learn to swim

45:34 ↗ programs it seems like it's harder to

45:36 ↗ get into those programs than it is to

45:37 ↗ get tickets on Ticket Masters sometimes

45:39 ↗ it's just um blink and it's gone um

45:42 ↗ additionally uh point out that um that

45:46 ↗ the the added Water Area would be

45:47 ↗ supported by both the primary and

45:49 ↗ secondary service areas and we do also

45:51 ↗ want to provide some counterpoints

45:54 ↗ within the reports that we look at and

45:56 ↗ so we do point out that there are other

45:58 ↗ communities that are also planning or

46:01 ↗ are doing their own studies for Aquatics

46:03 ↗ facilities as well and that may temper

46:05 ↗ the demand in the

46:08 ↗ future so um as Jeff commented on um the

46:13 ↗ intent of this study was really to look

46:16 ↗ at uh what was done in the past in the

46:19 ↗ previous study and have a much tighter

46:21 ↗ focus on what an expansion to the Julius

46:23 ↗ bone pool itself uh could do for the

46:26 ↗ community and how that might be feasible

46:29 ↗ um additionally we wanted to make sure

46:31 ↗ that anything that was planned would not

46:33 ↗ just serve a specific user or a specific

46:35 ↗ need but would really be something that

46:37 ↗ could augment all of the existing uses

46:39 ↗ of the pool and so that would be that

46:41 ↗ would be that would be lap swimming that

46:43 ↗ would be learn to swim programs that

46:44 ↗ would be water safety that would be the

46:46 ↗ rental of the pool also for events and

46:49 ↗ then um if possible add parking as well

46:52 ↗ because we know that there's some

46:52 ↗ congestion in that

46:54 ↗ area

46:56 ↗ move on to the second task um as

46:59 ↗ mentioned the facility condition

47:00 ↗ assessment that was done by uh water

47:02 ↗ tech yeah water tech

47:05 ↗ Ryan um and as Jeff pointed out

47:08 ↗ especially because of the work that was

47:10 ↗ done in

47:11 ↗ 2015 um that extended the life of the

47:13 ↗ pool such that the pool itself does not

47:15 ↗ have deficiencies nor does the building

47:17 ↗ have deficiencies that would need to be

47:18 ↗ addressed as a part of new construction

47:21 ↗ um I will make one comment about the

47:23 ↗ very last bullet point here and that is

47:25 ↗ because of um a a requirement in the

47:28 ↗ isqua municipal code if an addition is

47:31 ↗ added on to the building it does trigger

47:33 ↗ a requirement that fire suppression

47:36 ↗ would need to be added into the existing

47:39 ↗ building as well um while I'm on the

47:42 ↗ slide two I'll point out the silver door

47:45 ↗ kind of in the middle of the image there

47:47 ↗ sure if you can see my cursor but it's

47:48 ↗ that kind of stainless steel door at the

47:51 ↗ back of the pool that is an area that as

47:54 ↗ you'll see in some of the later IM Imes

47:56 ↗ could provide a point of access into

47:58 ↗ where the addition could be

48:04 ↗ planned um we don't when we're designing

48:07 ↗ something we're not just looking at

48:08 ↗ what's happening on the site we're also

48:10 ↗ considering how what is on site begins

48:12 ↗ to affect the broader community and so

48:14 ↗ we look at well what are some of the

48:17 ↗ major Transit patterns or what are some

48:18 ↗ of the major corridors around the Julius

48:20 ↗ bone poool site from the reineer trail

48:22 ↗ Corridor but then also that Oldtown

48:24 ↗ Corridor along Front Street because

48:26 ↗ planned on that west side of the

48:28 ↗ facility almost becomes a part of the

48:29 ↗ Gateway that

48:32 ↗ area um additionally additionally

48:36 ↗ looking at what is the scale of some of

48:38 ↗ the surroundings because the Julius bone

48:40 ↗ pool is up on a hill which can kind of

48:42 ↗ increase its presence you can actually

48:44 ↗ see this pool from all over downtown in

48:46 ↗ between the trees so we want to be

48:48 ↗ conscious of the

48:49 ↗ neighbors and then those traffic

48:51 ↗ patterns that I mentioned because um

48:53 ↗ some of the other um uses around that

48:56 ↗ area do have high surges of traffic

48:58 ↗ because of parent drop off and pickup

49:00 ↗ for the for the schools for

49:04 ↗ example um and so when we looked at the

49:06 ↗ potential areas for an addition that

49:08 ↗ would preserve as much as possible the

49:11 ↗ other things that are going on the site

49:13 ↗ uh for example we didn't want to get rid

49:15 ↗ of a lot of parking to put an addition

49:17 ↗ in a place that would then cause more

49:18 ↗ parking to be needed found that that

49:21 ↗ area west of the Julius bone pool that

49:23 ↗ has kind of a flattened Plateau to it

49:25 ↗ would provide an excellent area to plan

49:27 ↗ an addition of some

49:29 ↗ size that would also mean it's connected

49:31 ↗ to the existing pool and could be

49:33 ↗ accessed through that stainless steel

49:35 ↗ opening um if it were replaced with

49:38 ↗ something more

49:39 ↗ suitable say just point out in general

49:42 ↗ it was really uh fantastic for us to

49:44 ↗ hear the commitment of so many of the

49:45 ↗ stakeholders talking about the uh the

49:48 ↗ way that Aquatics and the way that water

49:50 ↗ threads through the life of people here

49:52 ↗ in isqua I mean it's used as a aspect of

49:55 ↗ community a touchstone that brings

49:56 ↗ people together through competition and

49:57 ↗ through Recreation um the site itself is

50:00 ↗ in a very unique area also uh near the

50:03 ↗ isqua creek and then also the

50:08 ↗ Hatchery so when we spoke to the

50:11 ↗ stakeholders there were two options that

50:13 ↗ we designed around to understand how big

50:17 ↗ of a pool should be supported on this

50:20 ↗ West edge of the site and study the

50:21 ↗ feasibility for that um the two options

50:24 ↗ that we looked at were on the left hand

50:26 ↗ side an8 lane 25 Y pool that could be

50:30 ↗ surrounded by deck area and some

50:33 ↗ bleachers and the support spaces uh for

50:36 ↗ that uh for that pool and then on the

50:38 ↗ right hand side an eight Lane 25 yard

50:41 ↗ stretch pool which would have a bulkhead

50:43 ↗ that separates the 25 yard portion from

50:47 ↗ a separate area that could be deep water

50:49 ↗ and support diving or it could be

50:50 ↗ shallow water and it could support um

50:53 ↗ lessons and water safety um we didn't

50:56 ↗ just study this in plan though we wanted

50:58 ↗ to understand how that could impact the

51:00 ↗ site and so the images that you're

51:02 ↗ seeing in the bottom there they're kind

51:03 ↗ of these aerial views of how those

51:06 ↗ additions sit on the site and when we

51:09 ↗ looked at that in particular we no just

51:11 ↗ just how large uh the addition on the

51:15 ↗ right hand side that is the stretch pool

51:18 ↗ option how large that would appear along

51:20 ↗ Front Street and that was a

51:22 ↗ consideration that the stakeholders had

51:24 ↗ when they uh when they determined they

51:26 ↗ would really prefer that we study more

51:28 ↗ that eight Lane 25 yard pool option

51:31 ↗ additionally it was noted that um with

51:34 ↗ that with that uh separated that area

51:38 ↗ separated by the bulkhead if that

51:40 ↗ provided an area for diving is noted

51:42 ↗ that the existing pool does have an area

51:45 ↗ that is already set up for diving so

51:47 ↗ that program is supported by the

51:48 ↗ existing pool as

51:53 ↗ well um there was an interest from the

51:56 ↗ steering committee to be able to have

51:58 ↗ this pool be something that could have a

51:59 ↗ connection to the outdoors um is there a

52:02 ↗ way of having this pool be an outdoor

52:05 ↗ summer pool in the summer but be an

52:07 ↗ enclosed pool for every other season and

52:10 ↗ so we studied some of the typical ways

52:12 ↗ that this is done through uh systems

52:14 ↗ such as I said the Dome structure or a

52:17 ↗ structure that's kind of more like a

52:18 ↗ tinile structure that has large openings

52:21 ↗ like garage doors that can connect

52:23 ↗ interior and exterior um you'll see the

52:25 ↗ ways that those fit on the site um for

52:28 ↗ example that sprung structure on the

52:30 ↗ right because of the way that it sheds

52:33 ↗ snow and moisture it needed to be

52:35 ↗ rotated in a way that honly makes it

52:37 ↗ look very large to the public um let say

52:42 ↗ the presence of some of these structures

52:44 ↗ to the community as well as uh some of

52:47 ↗ the um input that we received from the

52:49 ↗ city about the importance of having uh

52:52 ↗ City structures be maintainable um

52:55 ↗ knowing that many of these because of

52:57 ↗ that connection they have operable

52:58 ↗ components that have a tendency to have

53:00 ↗ a lower shorter lifespan and more robust

53:03 ↗ structures do um guided the steering

53:05 ↗ committee to say they would considering

53:07 ↗ more of a CM considering more of a um I

53:11 ↗ called brick and mortar

53:14 ↗ option and this is a visualization of

53:18 ↗ what that option could look

53:21 ↗ like so on the left hand side that's the

53:24 ↗ floor plan for what this addition this

53:27 ↗ expansion could look like um what you're

53:30 ↗ seeing is the 25 yard 8 Lane wide pool

53:34 ↗ and on the north end of it that's at the

53:36 ↗ top here that's an area uh where there

53:39 ↗ are diving blocks and that could be an

53:40 ↗ area that's larger for uh swimmers to

53:42 ↗ line up behind that area could even

53:44 ↗ connect out to an outdoor patio area for

53:48 ↗ overflow um or or events that could take

53:51 ↗ place

53:52 ↗ outside the seating spectator area that

53:55 ↗ is at the same level as the pool these

53:57 ↗ are bleachers that you're seeing here

53:59 ↗ and those could even retract to make

54:01 ↗ that area

54:02 ↗ larger the areas that have kind of a

54:04 ↗ blue tone over them those are a lot of

54:06 ↗ the service areas needed to support the

54:08 ↗ pool like mechanical equipment rooms and

54:10 ↗ electrical rooms and then um as a result

54:14 ↗ of many of the much of the work that was

54:16 ↗ done in

54:17 ↗ 2015 there isn't a need to add

54:19 ↗ significantly more Plumbing fixtures or

54:22 ↗ restrooms to meet the code requirements

54:24 ↗ there's already a lot that are in the

54:26 ↗ existing building and so those uh yellow

54:29 ↗ colored spaces there are some

54:31 ↗ supplemental restrooms that could be

54:33 ↗ added to the expansion as

54:35 ↗ well then on the right hand side that

54:38 ↗ street view when we're saying Street

54:40 ↗ there that is Front Street and we're

54:42 ↗ looking at that uh masonry or stone

54:46 ↗ wall and

54:48 ↗ then the expansion the expansion Beyond

54:52 ↗ so because the hill does slope down down

54:56 ↗ the floor level of that expansion is at

54:58 ↗ the bottom of the

55:00 ↗ windows anything that is below that

55:02 ↗ would be kind of like an extension of

55:04 ↗ the retaining wall or an extension of

55:06 ↗ the foundations continuing down to the

55:10 ↗ hill um some of the red features that

55:12 ↗ you seeing that those are sun shading

55:13 ↗ since we received input from the

55:15 ↗ steering committee that keeping that

55:16 ↗ water surface um glare free

55:24 ↗ significant so now if you'll you'll take

55:27 ↗ a trip with me we are now in the parking

55:29 ↗ area at the top of the Julius bone pool

55:32 ↗ and that's the existing building off to

55:34 ↗ our right which means that in front of

55:36 ↗ us that would be the expansion um

55:39 ↗ although the main entry would continue

55:40 ↗ to be a part of the Julius bone pool

55:42 ↗ that was the the study planned um in

55:45 ↗ front of us that could be a separate

55:47 ↗ entry specifically for spectators for

55:49 ↗ larger events and I myself personally I

55:52 ↗ I love all of the murals that are on the

55:55 ↗ downtown area I just think they're

55:57 ↗ fantastic and so some of the uh some of

55:59 ↗ the art I'll say you're on the front of

56:02 ↗ the buildings kind of a gesture a nod

56:04 ↗ inspired by some of what we see in

56:06 ↗ downtown isqua and maybe there's a

56:09 ↗ reader board to talk about events so

56:11 ↗ you'll continue with me

56:13 ↗ inside the expansion this is what you

56:16 ↗ would see um with a feasibility

56:19 ↗ stud

56:21 ↗ uh keeping something that's very open

56:24 ↗ connected to the outd doors even though

56:26 ↗ it doesn't open up as much as some of

56:29 ↗ those Dome or sprung structure options

56:31 ↗ showed really well lit uh plenty of deck

56:34 ↗ space around it to be able to support

56:36 ↗ all of the activities and I I want to

56:39 ↗ stress although this is showing Lane

56:41 ↗ lines and people that are are lap

56:44 ↗ swimming and it the there's nothing that

56:46 ↗ would prevent the pool from being used

56:48 ↗ for learn to swim programs or being used

56:51 ↗ by uh any of the many different programs

56:54 ↗ that are currently a part of the the

56:54 ↗ Julius bone pool it is it is intended

56:57 ↗ for

56:58 ↗ everyone we're now going to move to the

57:00 ↗ other side of the pool and look back at

57:02 ↗ the entry where we are now looking back

57:05 ↗ that entry that we just walked through

57:06 ↗ is over here on the right and so this

57:09 ↗ salmon colored wall That's the exterior

57:12 ↗ the West exterior wall the wall that

57:14 ↗ points toward Front Street and that

57:17 ↗ stainless steel opening I pointed out in

57:18 ↗ the image that's uh this opening here

57:21 ↗ that could have more more glass more

57:23 ↗ transparency more connection

57:25 ↗ to the existing

57:30 ↗ pool and um particularly in light of the

57:34 ↗ previous presentation I want to

57:35 ↗ underscore some of the things that uh

57:38 ↗ were planned for the feasibility study

57:40 ↗ because they do impact the cost of what

57:41 ↗ would be considered for construction

57:44 ↗ that is uh there could be solar panels

57:47 ↗ that are a part of the roof structure of

57:49 ↗ this facility or that could be added on

57:50 ↗ to the south facing roof structure of

57:52 ↗ the existing pool um highight efficient

57:55 ↗ mechanical systems the boilers that

57:58 ↗ would be used to uh heat the water

58:00 ↗ condition the water those uh for the

58:03 ↗ purposes of the study were anticipated

58:05 ↗ to be electric boilers for pricing

58:07 ↗ purposes and then really using as much

58:09 ↗ natural light as possible to reduce the

58:11 ↗ need the demand for electric lighting

58:14 ↗ save energy for the

58:15 ↗ city I'm I'll point out here you can see

58:18 ↗ the depth of the pool itself so uh this

58:20 ↗ pool uh for the purposes of planning

58:23 ↗ would go between uh 3 ft and 7 ft and

58:26 ↗ that again it kind of ties into the cost

58:27 ↗ of the pool the

58:31 ↗ estimate so as it relates to costs

58:35 ↗ then uh the estimated cost and this

58:38 ↗ includes both the construction cost as

58:40 ↗ well as the soft costs and we've kind of

58:42 ↗ given some line items there for what

58:44 ↗ that includes in the soft costs or that

58:46 ↗ that brick and mortar option that we

58:48 ↗ were just looking at the images of here

58:50 ↗ we call it CMU building or concrete

58:53 ↗ masonry unit building uh

58:55 ↗ 8,725 th000 and you can see that those

58:59 ↗ alternative enclosures that D and sprung

59:02 ↗ don't vary significantly in cost and as

59:05 ↗ I pointed out there's some

59:06 ↗ maintainability uh life

59:11 ↗ issues um now as it relates to the

59:13 ↗ operations of the building I point out

59:16 ↗ that these are really um are very good

59:19 ↗ numbers uh for the city of isqua that um

59:23 ↗ this includ this

59:25 ↗ uh is planned around the current um ex

59:29 ↗ the current operations and if it's if

59:31 ↗ the building were completed and

59:33 ↗ operations at the end of the first year

59:35 ↗ in 2026 and I specifically state that

59:38 ↗ that year because we needed to consider

59:40 ↗ a specific year for what the uh wage

59:42 ↗ rates might be at that time as well as

59:44 ↗ the increase in the fee structure might

59:46 ↗ be at that time and so it includes uh

59:49 ↗ those assumptions and the total cost

59:51 ↗ recovery rate for both the addition or

59:55 ↗ the expansion as well as the existing

59:57 ↗ building combined at

1:00:00 ↗ 98% that's again underscore that

1:00:03 ↗ exclamation point that that's really a

1:00:04 ↗ good

1:00:06 ↗ number yes council member Joe thank you

1:00:09 ↗ I'm looking at uh page 14 of the

1:00:13 ↗ 2023 study that was done and it

1:00:15 ↗ indicates that the cost recovery would

1:00:18 ↗ be 9% for the new addition and then

1:00:22 ↗ overall it' be 98% for the the full

1:00:25 ↗ facility as you point out correct

1:00:29 ↗ um those numbers are astounding I think

1:00:31 ↗ as as you pointed out um how are we able

1:00:34 ↗ to um get that kind of cost recovery on

1:00:38 ↗ a basically a public works project sure

1:00:41 ↗ I think the two things that I would

1:00:43 ↗ point to is that um the fee structure in

1:00:46 ↗ city of isqua say is comparatively

1:00:49 ↗ higher than it may be um in other

1:00:52 ↗ Aquatics facilities particularly like

1:00:53 ↗ Aquatics facilities east of the

1:00:55 ↗ mountains with a fee structure because

1:00:57 ↗ of the income of the community is lower

1:01:00 ↗ so the fee structure is a little bit

1:01:01 ↗ higher here and then uh secondly there

1:01:04 ↗ is so little downtime in when the pool

1:01:07 ↗ is used there is such unmet demand that

1:01:10 ↗ between a combination of the individuals

1:01:12 ↗ using the pool the organizations using

1:01:14 ↗ the pool and the rental the pool it's

1:01:16 ↗ it's hooked

1:01:19 ↗ up it's a great question if I can add to

1:01:21 ↗ that Brian thank you thank you council

1:01:23 ↗ member Joe yeah they are astounding

1:01:25 ↗ numbers they're impressive numbers even

1:01:27 ↗ what we do currently operationally I I

1:01:29 ↗ would point out that these cost recovery

1:01:32 ↗ numbers in this study we're really

1:01:33 ↗ looking at direct operational costs so

1:01:37 ↗ as we uh work with facilities and Genie

1:01:40 ↗ Justice that that cost recovery doesn't

1:01:42 ↗ include facilities so um you know as we

1:01:46 ↗ as we sort of absorb this report and

1:01:49 ↗ look at really really impressive

1:01:50 ↗ operational numbers we'll want to take a

1:01:53 ↗ another sort of dive into bringing

1:01:56 ↗ facility costs into that uh to see what

1:01:58 ↗ that is uh but even with that I would

1:02:01 ↗ say to have a a a true cost recovery

1:02:04 ↗ including facilities probably at about

1:02:06 ↗ 80% um is impressive and I think it's

1:02:10 ↗ just speaks to the use speaks to uh the

1:02:12 ↗ operational team Zach and and the and

1:02:14 ↗ the pool team and how we program

1:02:17 ↗ that yeah thank you very much I apprec

1:02:20 ↗ appreciate the

1:02:23 ↗ clarification

1:02:28 ↗ so the current status of the feasibility

1:02:30 ↗ report um it is in for comment with the

1:02:33 ↗ steering committee and then we're

1:02:34 ↗ anticipating incorporating those

1:02:36 ↗ comments and then having this uh final

1:02:38 ↗ published

1:02:44 ↗ available I have um sorry I have a

1:02:46 ↗ question um was there any consideration

1:02:50 ↗ this is maybe a weird question uh

1:02:54 ↗ sometimes times you see it pools sort of

1:02:56 ↗ recreational facilities in addition to

1:02:58 ↗ the the straightforward rectangular pool

1:03:02 ↗ with Lanes right so waiting pools or uh

1:03:07 ↗ water fountain features or something for

1:03:10 ↗ for the little kids that are isn't just

1:03:13 ↗ Lane based uh work was there any

1:03:16 ↗ discussion of that or or other I mean I

1:03:19 ↗ don't know the the gym that we belong to

1:03:21 ↗ has hot tubs you know any any thought of

1:03:24 ↗ anything beyond just the the basic

1:03:26 ↗ square pool with

1:03:29 ↗ Lanes yeah we did have that's you those

1:03:31 ↗ Leisure Pools where you talk about like

1:03:32 ↗ zero depth entry and some of the spray

1:03:34 ↗ features and whatnot our Focus was more

1:03:37 ↗ on then how do we meet the demand for

1:03:38 ↗ what's currently being asked of that

1:03:40 ↗ facility and has been which falls under

1:03:43 ↗ the the learn to swim the open swim

1:03:46 ↗ public swim swim teams and

1:03:49 ↗ trainings got it okay thank

1:03:53 ↗ you

1:03:59 ↗ with

1:04:00 ↗ that oh absolutely so moving on to the

1:04:03 ↗ uh just the direction we're looking for

1:04:05 ↗ uh you know considering this option for

1:04:07 ↗ expanding the pool capacity further in

1:04:09 ↗ the coming years in balance with the

1:04:12 ↗ other capital investment priorities

1:04:14 ↗ because there are there are many of

1:04:15 ↗ those as well uh we want to be uh

1:04:17 ↗ considerate of that um explore the

1:04:19 ↗ possible funding sources and develop a

1:04:21 ↗ funding strategy that includes Regional

1:04:23 ↗ Grants County and State and other

1:04:25 ↗ partners and to uh forward the study and

1:04:28 ↗ presentation of the FK city council at

1:04:30 ↗ the January 2nd meeting as an

1:04:32 ↗ informational

1:04:36 ↗ item Council Michelle do you have a

1:04:40 ↗ question um I think in the report that

1:04:43 ↗ um there was a suggestion at least that

1:04:46 ↗ uh the city develop a friends of the

1:04:48 ↗ pool

1:04:51 ↗ fop and uh you know I it's weird but uh

1:04:56 ↗ not too long ago I was thinking about

1:04:57 ↗ the community center and how the

1:04:59 ↗ community actually raised the money for

1:05:01 ↗ that facility uh at a time when we were

1:05:04 ↗ a very small City and uh we did not have

1:05:07 ↗ the resources to build a community

1:05:09 ↗ center without some outside support so

1:05:12 ↗ I'm just interested in this Friends of

1:05:14 ↗ the

1:05:15 ↗ pool uh thought um and are has there

1:05:20 ↗ been any uh thinking about how that

1:05:22 ↗ might be developed who would be

1:05:24 ↗ in that group I know it would be an

1:05:26 ↗ independent group uh that would be doing

1:05:28 ↗ the work for the city but I thought that

1:05:31 ↗ was a really intriguing suggestion

1:05:34 ↗ because we've done it before the city

1:05:36 ↗ has done that before had an outside

1:05:38 ↗ group raise money for a

1:05:41 ↗ facility I I remember when we did that

1:05:43 ↗ yeah it uh and I do yeah I thought that

1:05:46 ↗ was an interesting and intriguing uh

1:05:47 ↗ comment as well I think that definitely

1:05:49 ↗ be something to be considered if we

1:05:50 ↗ choose when we move forward with the

1:05:51 ↗ funding and getting you know what

1:05:53 ↗ support that looks like like I think

1:05:54 ↗ that would definitely be something on

1:05:55 ↗ the table to

1:05:59 ↗ consider no no sorry we will ma'am we'll

1:06:03 ↗ have time for public comment before we

1:06:05 ↗ make our decisions thank

1:06:07 ↗ you can I add to that I think our intent

1:06:11 ↗ as we again wanted to explore is is

1:06:15 ↗ there potential to add enough capacity

1:06:17 ↗ on this site um um you know as we head

1:06:21 ↗ into 2024 this is something we want to

1:06:23 ↗ explore further I think that the great

1:06:25 ↗ leaning in of the steering committee

1:06:27 ↗ group um and the representatives uh from

1:06:30 ↗ the swim clubs uh some representatives

1:06:32 ↗ from the school district uh rep

1:06:35 ↗ Representatives just from General

1:06:36 ↗ Community uh for swimming uh we do feel

1:06:39 ↗ like there's some real potential to to

1:06:41 ↗ Shepherd a group and begin doing some of

1:06:44 ↗ that exploratory work as we look at um

1:06:47 ↗ uh there's some King County grant

1:06:49 ↗ funding for retrofitting uh some of

1:06:51 ↗ these forward thrust pools um really

1:06:53 ↗ putting together a funding strategy with

1:06:55 ↗ that group to see what um sort of

1:06:57 ↗ fundraising potential there is um to add

1:07:00 ↗ to that

1:07:02 ↗ strategy so the the last time and and by

1:07:05 ↗ the way let me make clear so we're we're

1:07:07 ↗ asking questions at this point and then

1:07:09 ↗ we will take public comment um and then

1:07:11 ↗ we will look at uh feedback or or

1:07:14 ↗ direction from the council uh so last

1:07:18 ↗ time we looked at this which I thought

1:07:19 ↗ was a couple of years ago but Jeff tells

1:07:21 ↗ me it was over a decade ago uh you know

1:07:24 ↗ this question about whether it would be

1:07:25 ↗ a sort of circumscribed by the

1:07:28 ↗ boundaries of the city or by you know

1:07:31 ↗ trying to come up with a funding

1:07:32 ↗ mechanism that would be uh effectively

1:07:35 ↗ approximately the size of the school

1:07:37 ↗ district was a big question and we got

1:07:39 ↗ feedback in the community um from folks

1:07:42 ↗ in the City versus folks in that larger

1:07:45 ↗ district and I'm hearing today that it's

1:07:47 ↗ a different demographic and that larger

1:07:49 ↗ district is wealthier and younger with

1:07:51 ↗ more children than the city which is

1:07:54 ↗ interesting to hear uh but how will we

1:07:58 ↗ potentially parse that because those

1:08:00 ↗ Solutions uh that are just within the

1:08:02 ↗ City versus a regional solution are very

1:08:05 ↗ different with very different potential

1:08:07 ↗ funding mechanisms

1:08:09 ↗ right take that

1:08:11 ↗ one sure glad to um yes so a number of

1:08:16 ↗ things have changed since 2012 um I

1:08:18 ↗ actually and thank you for bringing that

1:08:19 ↗ up earlier uh today council member Mars

1:08:22 ↗ um I I dug up the the survey results

1:08:24 ↗ from that um and and some pretty

1:08:27 ↗ interesting data it might be worth

1:08:28 ↗ sharing this with you and perhaps

1:08:31 ↗ including it in the in the minutes as

1:08:32 ↗ well just as as context um some other

1:08:35 ↗ things have changed uh there's now a

1:08:37 ↗ pool and samamish uh that wasn't that

1:08:40 ↗ wasn't there um in

1:08:42 ↗ 2012 um again I think the question we

1:08:45 ↗ have and as we explore uh this further

1:08:49 ↗ um and and I think really center around

1:08:52 ↗ funding strategies and how might we want

1:08:54 ↗ to fund this um sort of brings into

1:08:57 ↗ light um you know is this something we

1:09:00 ↗ want to seek a a sort of a broader net

1:09:03 ↗ for funding or or how might we um

1:09:06 ↗ consider this a again this isn't a

1:09:09 ↗ full-blown brand new Aquatic Facility

1:09:12 ↗ that's going to try and be a regional

1:09:14 ↗ facility um we know there might be some

1:09:16 ↗ other pools that that pop up in the

1:09:18 ↗ coming years U but how do we make sure

1:09:20 ↗ we're um creating pool capacity going to

1:09:23 ↗ serve isqua now and in Into the Future

1:09:27 ↗ so I don't have a have an answer of

1:09:29 ↗ exactly how we do that but I think that

1:09:31 ↗ would need to be part of the funding

1:09:32 ↗ strategy and if there's a friends group

1:09:34 ↗ really exploring those pros and cons uh

1:09:37 ↗ a little further thank

1:09:40 ↗ you other

1:09:43 ↗ questions okay it looks like we probably

1:09:46 ↗ have a member of the public that wants

1:09:47 ↗ to speak to this it sounds like so if we

1:09:50 ↗ do then let me let me go through my

1:09:51 ↗ little public comment Shield before we

1:09:53 ↗ do that public comment is is an

1:09:55 ↗ important part of the public process we

1:09:57 ↗ take them seriously and Factor them into

1:09:58 ↗ the decisions we make during audience

1:10:00 ↗ comments members of the public are

1:10:01 ↗ invited to address the council regarding

1:10:03 ↗ matters that are directly related to

1:10:04 ↗ City programs projects services or

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1:10:10 ↗ do so please direct comments to the

1:10:11 ↗ whole Council and not individuals while

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1:10:15 ↗ session we will contact you to follow up

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1:10:36 ↗ language derogatory remarks and

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1:10:59 ↗ options provided for in RCW

1:11:02 ↗ 42305 to ensure orderly continuation of

1:11:05 ↗ the meeting again public comments

1:11:06 ↗ written or and verbal are an important

1:11:09 ↗ aspect of the public process the city

1:11:11 ↗ takes comments seriously and we thank

1:11:12 ↗ members of the public for taking the

1:11:14 ↗ time to address US during our meetings

1:11:16 ↗ uh can if do we have someone who wishes

1:11:18 ↗ to

1:11:19 ↗ speak would please come to the

1:11:22 ↗ Lector

1:11:25 ↗ I don't usually need a

1:11:27 ↗ microphone most people will say hi my

1:11:30 ↗ name is Laura halter and my address is

1:11:33 ↗ 16869 southeast 56 place I'm just

1:11:37 ↗ outside the isqua Border in Bell and my

1:11:40 ↗ children are products of the isqua

1:11:42 ↗ school district Cougar Ridge isqua

1:11:43 ↗ Middle and isqua High I've been an

1:11:45 ↗ employee of the isqua school district

1:11:47 ↗ for 21 years as a swim coach um the

1:11:51 ↗ comment that I was trying to make

1:11:52 ↗ earlier sorry I was out line but um to

1:11:55 ↗ uh council member uh de Michelle's idea

1:11:58 ↗ of the friends I just wanted to let you

1:11:59 ↗ know that there is an organization out

1:12:01 ↗ there on Lopez Island and they are the

1:12:04 ↗ friends of Lopez Island pool when they

1:12:06 ↗ were trying to build a pool there so if

1:12:07 ↗ anybody wants to do research on how it's

1:12:10 ↗ done they're called flip which is kind

1:12:11 ↗ of funny um they still send me emails on

1:12:14 ↗ a regular basis um because of expressed

1:12:16 ↗ interest so um we could be the friends

1:12:19 ↗ of isqua pool and just call ourselves

1:12:20 ↗ FIP I guess but you know come up with

1:12:23 ↗ something um but that has been done

1:12:25 ↗ before so if those whoever's interested

1:12:27 ↗ in learning about that you can I just

1:12:30 ↗ wanted to speak to the use of the pool

1:12:34 ↗ that I have seen for 21 years uh as the

1:12:38 ↗ isqua high school girls head coach and

1:12:40 ↗ isquad boys head coach um I'm occupied

1:12:44 ↗ at that pool every afternoon Cliff knows

1:12:45 ↗ he has to put up with me every day I'm

1:12:48 ↗ there every afternoon with anywhere from

1:12:51 ↗ 70 to 90 some high school girls just

1:12:54 ↗ from ISO High School um in every

1:12:57 ↗ afternoon in in August September October

1:13:00 ↗ and into November and then the day after

1:13:02 ↗ the state

1:13:03 ↗ championships uh the

1:13:05 ↗ isqua uh girls team ends and the isqua

1:13:07 ↗ boys starts the following day and then I

1:13:10 ↗ show up with between 70 to 85 teenage

1:13:13 ↗ boys on the pool deck every afternoon

1:13:15 ↗ from 3:30 to

1:13:17 ↗ 4:45 um we share practice time with

1:13:19 ↗ Liberty High School and we share the

1:13:22 ↗ pool as well with the diving teams from

1:13:25 ↗ the Isco School District so that would

1:13:26 ↗ be Skyline Liberty and Isa diving we

1:13:29 ↗ also have Mount sa diving um is co

1:13:32 ↗ co-opt with the isqua school district so

1:13:35 ↗ during practice time we only get an hour

1:13:37 ↗ and 15 minutes the diving board takes up

1:13:39 ↗ two lanes so we have four lanes of the

1:13:41 ↗ pool for currently Now 60 some tall

1:13:45 ↗ teenage boys it's extremely crowded and

1:13:48 ↗ we have very limited time and this is

1:13:50 ↗ the same for Liberty and then in once

1:13:53 ↗ the meets start which they did last week

1:13:56 ↗ every Tuesday and Thursday afternoon

1:13:58 ↗ there is a meet at bone pool that is

1:14:00 ↗ either a Skyline meet a liberty meet or

1:14:02 ↗ an isqua meet and you will have probably

1:14:06 ↗ 160 to 180 teenage kids competing on

1:14:10 ↗ that at that facility at that time uh

1:14:12 ↗ and Cliff's still trying to have his

1:14:13 ↗ staff run swimming lessons at the exact

1:14:15 ↗ same time so it's rather chaotic um it's

1:14:19 ↗ fun energy uh we have very successful

1:14:21 ↗ programs here on the east side uh isqua

1:14:24 ↗ I the girls and boys teams from isqua

1:14:27 ↗ for 21 years have gone to the state

1:14:28 ↗ championships every year and skyline's

1:14:30 ↗ done quite well and so is Liberty many

1:14:32 ↗ many years of going to the state

1:14:34 ↗ championships and so we have very strong

1:14:36 ↗ programs um and very High attendance for

1:14:39 ↗ the for the school programs um and we

1:14:43 ↗ take up a lot of pool time in the

1:14:44 ↗ afternoon and I know that the the city

1:14:47 ↗ would would will take any time we will

1:14:50 ↗ be happy to give back to them and they

1:14:52 ↗ would fill it with lessons immediately

1:14:54 ↗ um there isn't a lesin program that

1:14:55 ↗ isn't full every time on that I'm on

1:14:57 ↗ that pull deck um and then even during

1:14:59 ↗ the holiday breaks we see classes

1:15:01 ↗ running for lifeguard training and and

1:15:03 ↗ other um safety type things for the

1:15:05 ↗ community um anytime there's an open

1:15:07 ↗ spot in the pool it gets filled

1:15:08 ↗ immediately with another team wanting to

1:15:10 ↗ practice uh or a club program wanting to

1:15:13 ↗ come in and practice or somebody wanting

1:15:14 ↗ to run a program like a a lifeguard

1:15:16 ↗ class um I've never been there when the

1:15:18 ↗ pool was quiet in 21 years so well maybe

1:15:22 ↗ at the 5:00 a.m. practices was a little

1:15:24 ↗ more subdued but um I just I think I'm

1:15:27 ↗ an Aquatics director for an outdoor pool

1:15:29 ↗ facility and so I run swim lesson

1:15:31 ↗ programs and um manage lifeguards every

1:15:33 ↗ summer for 22 years the Edgebrook swim

1:15:35 ↗ Tennis Club so I'm familiar with running

1:15:37 ↗ lesson programs and I think that um Zach

1:15:40 ↗ and Cliff and their staff does an

1:15:42 ↗ absolutely fantastic job and there's a

1:15:44 ↗ reason why those classes are full all

1:15:46 ↗ the time it's just a a really great

1:15:48 ↗ service to the community um and it's

1:15:50 ↗ nice to see people of all ages coming to

1:15:52 ↗ use that pool in the evenings and for um

1:15:55 ↗ exercise in the mornings and in the

1:15:57 ↗ middle of the day it's just um a

1:15:59 ↗ fantastic place and I think it very much

1:16:02 ↗ deserves another facility to to take

1:16:05 ↗ care of our constituents I think our

1:16:07 ↗ constituents in this area deserve um an

1:16:09 ↗ a quality fac facility for um exercise

1:16:12 ↗ and for safety and for family fun and I

1:16:15 ↗ think we should um I think you should

1:16:18 ↗ consider this so thank you for your

1:16:20 ↗ time thank thank you

1:16:23 ↗ anyone else wishing to

1:16:25 ↗ speak all right with that uh so the

1:16:29 ↗ direction

1:16:31 ↗ needed you want to brief us again on

1:16:33 ↗ what you're looking forward

1:16:36 ↗ absolutely uh the three the three uh

1:16:38 ↗ bullet points that we're looking to get

1:16:39 ↗ some direction on was considering this

1:16:41 ↗ option for expanding the pool capacity

1:16:44 ↗ further in the coming years in balance

1:16:47 ↗ with the other capital investment

1:16:48 ↗ priorities um exploring the possible

1:16:50 ↗ funding sources and develop a funding

1:16:52 ↗ strategy that includes Regional Grants

1:16:55 ↗ County and state and other and other

1:16:57 ↗ partners and uh to forward the study and

1:17:00 ↗ the presentation to the full council at

1:17:02 ↗ the January 2nd meeting as an informal

1:17:04 ↗ informational

1:17:06 ↗ item so really you're looking for do we

1:17:08 ↗ support all three of these planks pretty

1:17:10 ↗ much yes got it all right thank you very

1:17:13 ↗ much council member Joe I'll speak first

1:17:16 ↗ because my fellow council members dying

1:17:18 ↗ here

1:17:21 ↗ um um I'm very supportive of the the

1:17:24 ↗ work that's been done here um I think

1:17:27 ↗ it's a a great opportunity to expand

1:17:30 ↗ programming here and um the return that

1:17:33 ↗ you uh have shown through this project

1:17:37 ↗ uh far outweighs and outstrips anything

1:17:40 ↗ else we would do for a public works

1:17:43 ↗ project on that site uh if we were

1:17:45 ↗ thinking about anything else in the

1:17:46 ↗ world but um I do agree that uh I've

1:17:50 ↗ never gone in there when it's quiet and

1:17:52 ↗ it's a used facility and it certainly is

1:17:55 ↗ uh time well spent and money well spent

1:17:57 ↗ to uh make sure we get this project

1:17:59 ↗ right so fully support what's going on

1:18:01 ↗ here in the presentation tonight thank

1:18:05 ↗ you council member D Michelle thank you

1:18:10 ↗ sorry so as I said in my email to Brian

1:18:14 ↗ this is a very well-loved facility and

1:18:17 ↗ thank you for all that you do for the

1:18:19 ↗ young young people under your charge

1:18:21 ↗ that's just fabulous I loved listening

1:18:24 ↗ to your to your comments um and I'm sure

1:18:27 ↗ that's just one one thing that's

1:18:30 ↗ happening at the pool there's lots of

1:18:31 ↗ other things um it's obvious that we

1:18:35 ↗ have this need and I think the study was

1:18:37 ↗ very well done um we obviously don't

1:18:41 ↗ have the financial capacity to tear it

1:18:43 ↗ down and rebuild it so uh this is a good

1:18:47 ↗ alternative um and yes I hope that we

1:18:49 ↗ can uh research uh uh possible funding

1:18:53 ↗ sources and uh look at I think the issue

1:18:57 ↗ that council member Mars brought up

1:18:59 ↗ about do we want to expand the funding

1:19:01 ↗ base is a good question for the uh Team

1:19:05 ↗ to look at um I did have a question

1:19:08 ↗ about it going to the council as an

1:19:10 ↗ informational item as you know just

1:19:13 ↗ because it is a well love facility and

1:19:16 ↗ uh I realize that our agendas are really

1:19:19 ↗ packed uh but I'm wondering if the whole

1:19:23 ↗ Council would want to hear this

1:19:25 ↗ presentation um I'll just put that out

1:19:27 ↗ as a question because uh there is a

1:19:29 ↗ leadership team that kind of looks at

1:19:31 ↗ our agendas and decides how packed they

1:19:34 ↗ are and what's feasible in terms of a

1:19:36 ↗ length of a meeting but um this is

1:19:38 ↗ something that I think the public and

1:19:40 ↗ the council would be very interested in

1:19:43 ↗ um I think the plans and the pictures I

1:19:46 ↗ want that blue

1:19:48 ↗ mural if we can recreate that when we

1:19:51 ↗ build this facility I want that blue

1:19:53 ↗ mural on the outside and the one on the

1:19:55 ↗ inside so I just think it's a lovely

1:19:57 ↗ plan so uh yes strong support go go

1:20:01 ↗ forward and do

1:20:03 ↗ good I I guess I have a clarification

1:20:05 ↗ for the city administrator by

1:20:07 ↗ informational item do you mean on the

1:20:08 ↗ consent

1:20:09 ↗ agenda that's a question for the

1:20:11 ↗ committee this evening I see all right

1:20:14 ↗ well we certainly have the ability to

1:20:16 ↗ send it back with a recommendation that

1:20:18 ↗ go before uh as a as a right as a uh not

1:20:21 ↗ unconsented agend but on the regular

1:20:23 ↗ agenda in whatever form it wants and you

1:20:26 ↗ know our Council leadership can do what

1:20:28 ↗ it wants with that recommendation so

1:20:30 ↗ that's certainly uh I mean I would I

1:20:33 ↗ would support that there has always been

1:20:34 ↗ a ton of interest in this community uh

1:20:36 ↗ around a pool I have kind of a unique

1:20:38 ↗ view on on the pool because for many

1:20:41 ↗ years uh I and a few other people did

1:20:44 ↗ the famine days fundraiser at used to be

1:20:47 ↗ the middle school right next door which

1:20:49 ↗ is no longer the Middle School um and so

1:20:52 ↗ what we would get is 15 or 20 every

1:20:55 ↗ every time there'd be 15 or 20 people

1:20:57 ↗ who would drive up who had brought their

1:20:59 ↗ kids there to use the pool and it's like

1:21:01 ↗ it was it was closed during uh salmon

1:21:03 ↗ days and so uh they would just be very

1:21:06 ↗ sad and disappointed so it was a unique

1:21:08 ↗ view of uh how beloved uh that pool is

1:21:11 ↗ but yeah I mean this seems like uh that

1:21:13 ↗ cost recovery seems great if those

1:21:15 ↗ pictures are if what got built looked

1:21:17 ↗ even half as nice as what was in those

1:21:19 ↗ pictures it would be a like it would be

1:21:21 ↗ a good investment

1:21:23 ↗ uh for something that that the community

1:21:25 ↗ desperately wants and that cost recovery

1:21:26 ↗ it's hard to argue even with 80% much

1:21:28 ↗ less 98 um so I would also support

1:21:33 ↗ bringing it back on regular agenda I'm

1:21:36 ↗ seeing head nods um so I don't think we

1:21:39 ↗ have to take a vote on it I think it's

1:21:40 ↗ we support all three elements here but

1:21:42 ↗ on the third having it come back our

1:21:44 ↗ recommendation to council admin Council

1:21:47 ↗ leadership just to have it come back on

1:21:48 ↗ regular

1:21:49 ↗ good is there anything else that you're

1:21:51 ↗ looking for today Brian

1:21:53 ↗ oh thank you much for your time

1:21:54 ↗ appreciate it and it and it's wonderful

1:21:56 ↗ to have you up there you know I think

1:21:58 ↗ you were I'm sure you were in the room

1:21:59 ↗ when we last looked at this in 2012 so

1:22:02 ↗ remember well

1:22:03 ↗ yeah it's nice that there were it's nice

1:22:06 ↗ that there were a few of us who were

1:22:08 ↗ were here I spent some time together on

1:22:09 ↗ this yes I know yeah she's been a part

1:22:11 ↗ of it too all right so I think we're I

1:22:13 ↗ think we're done for this evening and we

1:22:15 ↗ don't have any other feedback so uh

1:22:18 ↗ chair marks yes one other item uh the

1:22:21 ↗ first item this evening uh we did not

1:22:23 ↗ ask placement with the council would you

1:22:25 ↗ like that to be on the consent calendar

1:22:27 ↗ for the council or would you like that

1:22:29 ↗ resolution the decarbonization

1:22:31 ↗ resolution to be on regular

1:22:33 ↗ business well that is a good question

1:22:43 ↗ um the administration recommend putting

1:22:45 ↗ it on regular business only because it

1:22:48 ↗ the nature of the resolution is that

1:22:50 ↗ council's taking active position we can

1:22:54 ↗ we can ask Mr Rey to tear down the

1:22:57 ↗ presentation a little so it's not quite

1:22:59 ↗ as long but I think that regular

1:23:01 ↗ business would be appro that sounds like

1:23:04 ↗ we're seeing head nods from my fellow uh

1:23:06 ↗ committee members that sounds like a

1:23:07 ↗ fine suggestion thank you City

1:23:09 ↗ administrator we so recommend all right

1:23:11 ↗ thank you very much and with that we are

1:23:13 ↗ adjourned thank you uh uh the dozens

1:23:16 ↗ perhaps the folks who are watching at

1:23:18 ↗ home and uh the folks here have a great

1:23:21 ↗ evening

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