City Council Regular Meeting · Tuesday, January 18, 2022 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

First for Roll Call Vote: Councilmember Joe

6. INFORMATIONAL UPDATES

State Route 18 Widening: Issaquah-Hobart Road to Deep Creek ID 0778

packet pp.5–18

Topics: TransportationWaterArts & Culture

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Staff report:

The purpose of this item is for the Washington Department of Transportation (WSDOT) to provide an informational update for the SR 18 widening project from Issaquah-Hobart Road to Deep Creek.

Recreation Scholarship Program ID 0993

packet pp.19–36

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Staff report:

The City of Issaquah’s Recreation Scholarship program is an important piece of the overall recreation program delivery system in place within Issaquah Parks and Community Services. The current scholarship program was adopted by City Council in 2014. In 2021, staff undertook a review of the program to determine if any modifications were needed. In the review, it was confirmed that most elements of the scholarship program were in step with best practices. However, one element of the program, the need for actual revenues (often donations) to offset the scholarship, was determined to present a limitation on the program and was not in step with best practices.

7. CONSENT CALENDAR

Accounts: Payables and Payroll of Jan. 18, 2022, $ 5,385,777.41 ID 0967

Carried 7-0

Approve · packet pp.37–77

Topics: Budget

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Staff report:

Finance Department P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 PH: 425-837-3050 www.issaquahwa.gov

Roll call:

Moved by WALSH · seconded by HALL

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Zach Hall, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Chris Reh, Lindsey Walsh

Minutes: City Council Regular Meeting, Dec. 6, 2021

Carried 7-0

Approve · packet pp.79–84

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Staff report:

CONSENT CALENDAR b) 12-06-21 City Council Regular Meeting Minutes Page 8669

Roll call:

Moved by WALSH · seconded by HALL

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Zach Hall, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Chris Reh, Lindsey Walsh

Minutes: City Council Regular Meeting, Jan. 3, 2022

Carried 7-0

Approve · packet pp.85–88

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Staff report:

CONSENT CALENDAR c) 01-03-22 City Council Regular Meeting Minutes Page (0000) CITY OF ISSAQUAH City Council Regular Meeting 7:00 PM Virtual Meeting January 3, 2022 MINUTES

Roll call:

Moved by WALSH · seconded by HALL

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Zach Hall, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Chris Reh, Lindsey Walsh

Washington State Recreation & Conservation Office (RCO) Grant (Lower Issaquah Creek Stream and Habitat Enhancement Project) AB 8004

Carried 7-0

Accept Grant; Authorize Agreement · packet pp.89–118

Topics: Water

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Roll call:

Moved by WALSH · seconded by HALL

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Zach Hall, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Chris Reh, Lindsey Walsh

State Dept. of Ecology FY 2022 Water Quality Combined Funding Program Grant(s) (Stormwater Projects) AB 8037

Carried 7-0

Accept Grant; Authorize Agreement · packet pp.119–204

Topics: WaterBudgetCritical Areas

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Staff report:

The Washington State Department of Ecology has recently announced the open period for accepting grant applications under the State Fiscal Year (FY) 2022 Water Quality Combined Funding Program (WQC). The grant program provides funds for various stormwater activities including planning, design, permitting and construction of stormwater facilities that treat runoff from existing impervious surfaces such as roadways. The state has made available a total of $30 million dollars for stormwater projects for FY 2022. If awarded the grant, applicants are required to provide a 25% match.

Roll call:

Moved by WALSH · seconded by HALL

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Zach Hall, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Chris Reh, Lindsey Walsh

Transportation Improvement Board (TIB) Grant (12th Ave NW and SR AB 8194

Carried 7-0

Authorize · packet pp.205–216

Topics: Transportation

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Staff report:

B. Project Location C. Project Selection Letter (new) D. Grant Agreement (new) E. Funding Status Form (new)

Roll call:

Moved by WALSH · seconded by HALL

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Zach Hall, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Chris Reh, Lindsey Walsh

Lodging Tax Advisory Committee AB 8306

Carried 7-0

Confirm · packet pp.265–266

Topics: BudgetTourism

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Staff report:

The Administration recommends confirming the 2022 Lodging Tax Advisory Committee appointments as presented.

Roll call:

Moved by WALSH · seconded by HALL

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Zach Hall, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Chris Reh, Lindsey Walsh

Surplus City Equipment AB 8312

Carried 7-0

Approve Resolution · packet pp.267–271

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Staff report:

The Administration recommends approval of the proposed resolution declaring the items listed as surplus and authorizing the Administration to dispose of them in accordance with Washington State law.

Roll call:

Moved by WALSH · seconded by HALL

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Zach Hall, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Chris Reh, Lindsey Walsh

8. REGULAR BUSINESS

Amending IMC 5.02.090, Revocation or Suspension of Business Licenses AB 8316

Adopt Ordinance · packet pp.297–301

Topics: Land UseEconomic Development

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Staff report:

The City’s general business licensing regulations, including when a license is required and how to apply, are contained in Chapter 5.02 IMC, “Business Licenses.” This chapter also addresses when a business license that has previously been granted by the City may be suspended or revoked. The criteria for suspension or revocation of a business license, codified at IMC 5.02.090, were last updated in 2002, and do not adequately address all circumstances under which it would be appropriate for the City to suspend or revoke a business license.

9. GOOD OF THE ORDER

2022 City Council Appointments

packet pp.303–306

Topics: Boards & Commissions

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Staff report:

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Upcoming Council Meetings

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0:06 ↗ everyone i'm calling the january 18th

0:08 ↗ city council meeting to order and we are

0:11 ↗ meeting on a tuesday night this week due

0:13 ↗ to the martin luther king celebration on

0:16 ↗ monday

0:17 ↗ due to the governor's proclamation 20-28

0:20 ↗ related to the covet 19 emergency and

0:23 ↗ open public meetings this meeting is

0:25 ↗ being held entirely remotely

0:28 ↗ at this point we'll take a moment to

0:29 ↗ take a roll call of council members in

0:31 ↗ attendance so please stay here when i

0:33 ↗ call your name councilmember d michelle

0:36 ↗ here

0:36 ↗ thank you deputy council president hall

0:39 ↗ here

0:40 ↗ thank you councilmember hunt

0:42 ↗ here thank you council member joe

0:46 ↗ here

0:47 ↗ thank you council member marks here

0:50 ↗ thank you council member ray here

0:53 ↗ and thank you very much and council

0:55 ↗ president walsh

0:57 ↗ thanks that is all seven council members

0:59 ↗ this evening

1:00 ↗ um i would like to invite you to join me

1:02 ↗ in the pledge of allegiance if you could

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1:07 ↗ that would be great

1:09 ↗ i pledge allegiance to the flag of the

1:12 ↗ united states of america and to the

1:14 ↗ republic for which it stands one nation

1:18 ↗ under god indivisible with liberty and

1:21 ↗ justice for all

1:24 ↗ the next item on our agenda this evening

1:26 ↗ is audience comments and for those of

1:29 ↗ you who have submitted the online form

1:31 ↗ to make comments your name will be

1:32 ↗ called shortly

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2:44 ↗ personal attacks obscene language

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2:51 ↗ citizen comments written and verbal are

2:53 ↗ an important aspect of the public

2:54 ↗ process and the city takes comments

2:56 ↗ seriously we thank you all for taking

2:59 ↗ the time to address us this evening

3:01 ↗ say claire could you please identify the

3:03 ↗ first person who has signed to speak

3:05 ↗ signed up to speak this evening

3:09 ↗ yes we have five people signed up to

3:11 ↗ speak and then i see jonathan and tim

3:14 ↗ that you both raised your hand so you'll

3:15 ↗ be called on after the first five

3:17 ↗ speakers

3:18 ↗ first we have kathy mccrory

3:21 ↗ kathy i will go ahead and make you a

3:23 ↗ panelist now so you should see the

3:25 ↗ option to unmute and can choose to turn

3:27 ↗ your video on

3:30 ↗ [Music]

3:35 ↗ thank you

3:37 ↗ can everyone hear me this evening

3:39 ↗ thank you very much my name is kathy

3:41 ↗ mccrory i'm the ceo at the greater

3:43 ↗ issaquah chamber of commerce 155

3:46 ↗ northwest gilman boulevard

3:48 ↗ issaquah

3:49 ↗ um first off i i have something that

3:53 ↗ facebook reminded me of this morning and

3:55 ↗ that was four years ago today many of

3:58 ↗ you were at an anniversary party and a

4:01 ↗ retirement party for fred butler

4:03 ↗ and it just made me think about all of

4:06 ↗ our mayors and to all mayors past

4:10 ↗ present and future i just want to thank

4:12 ↗ you for your service to our great city

4:17 ↗ and with that i want to also offer a

4:19 ↗ special thanks this evening to jen david

4:22 ↗ hayes

4:23 ↗ with the economic development department

4:25 ↗ um she had given me quite a bit of time

4:28 ↗ the last several weeks to talk about

4:31 ↗ ab-8307 that's on your agenda this

4:33 ↗ evening and inform me about what's going

4:35 ↗ on with shopping carts and we were able

4:37 ↗ to do some outreach and i attended some

4:39 ↗ meetings that she held and i want to

4:41 ↗ just thank her for keeping the chamber

4:44 ↗ very well informed on that measure

4:47 ↗ and in regards to ab-8307

4:50 ↗ and 8316 i want to thank the city and

4:54 ↗ ipd

4:55 ↗ for always putting safety first for both

4:57 ↗ our residents and the business community

5:01 ↗ both of these issues that you'll be

5:02 ↗ discussing tonight are very important to

5:04 ↗ our business community

5:07 ↗ unfortunately the urgency behind these

5:10 ↗ two measures has not allowed

5:13 ↗ our chamber to go through our normal

5:15 ↗ process to review compare

5:18 ↗ discuss with the business community etc

5:21 ↗ our own board does not meet until this

5:23 ↗ coming friday so unfortunately i don't

5:27 ↗ have a position

5:28 ↗ to share with you

5:30 ↗ um

5:31 ↗ but i do want to say that we greatly

5:34 ↗ appreciate

5:36 ↗ that council president

5:39 ↗ i'm sorry i had to take a breath there

5:41 ↗ sorry

5:42 ↗ council president mark walsh deputy

5:45 ↗ council president hall and the mayor

5:48 ↗ took time to meet with

5:50 ↗ our chairman of the board right now our

5:52 ↗ vice chair nathan vossler and i late

5:55 ↗ friday afternoon to discuss those two

5:57 ↗ bills

5:58 ↗ and um to inform us about the

6:02 ↗ concerns that the business community has

6:04 ↗ about what's going on around shopping

6:06 ↗ carts and shoplifting in our community

6:10 ↗ again thank you for sharing that

6:12 ↗ information with us we will move forward

6:14 ↗ and discuss these measures on friday

6:17 ↗ and hopefully be able to circle back and

6:20 ↗ partner with the city council and the

6:22 ↗ city staff with the decisions that are

6:24 ↗ made here tonight the chamber is

6:26 ↗ committed to serving our businesses and

6:29 ↗ working with the city to ensure all of

6:31 ↗ our safety

6:33 ↗ we'll do everything we can to educate

6:36 ↗ to gather information

6:38 ↗ to

6:39 ↗ seek input

6:41 ↗ and to help find solutions

6:44 ↗ for these important measures

6:47 ↗ businesses and owners in issaquah

6:49 ↗ want to know that they're um are

6:52 ↗ providing safety to their customers for

6:55 ↗ their employees and for the business

6:57 ↗ itself and so again we do identify that

7:00 ↗ this is a strong and important measure

7:02 ↗ that you'll be discussing this evening

7:05 ↗ so whatever we can do moving forward we

7:07 ↗ definitely will because when all is said

7:10 ↗ and done at the end of the day we all

7:11 ↗ want the same thing we want to live work

7:14 ↗ and play in our community and we want

7:16 ↗ our community to thrive

7:18 ↗ so thank you very much for your time and

7:20 ↗ your dedication to the city of issaquah

7:22 ↗ and all of our businesses thank you

7:25 ↗ thank you kathy

7:26 ↗ city clerk who's next up

7:32 ↗ mayor next we have cindy

7:34 ↗ herron

7:36 ↗ give me just a moment here

7:38 ↗ [Music]

7:41 ↗ i'm cindy so cindy in just a moment here

7:43 ↗ i'm going to make you a panelist so you

7:45 ↗ should see an option to unmute and can

7:47 ↗ choose to turn your video on

7:50 ↗ [Music]

7:59 ↗ am i good to go

8:03 ↗ we can hear you just fine cindy thank

8:05 ↗ you

8:07 ↗ thank you thanks for having me

8:09 ↗ um first of all i just want to say i'm

8:10 ↗ very nervous so

8:12 ↗ excuse me but

8:14 ↗ my name is cindy herron um i'm at 3112

8:17 ↗ 234th court southeast in sammamish we're

8:21 ↗ on the issaquah line where is the law

8:22 ↗ school district

8:24 ↗ so

8:24 ↗ most of our business all the shopping

8:27 ↗ that we do um takes place in issaquah

8:30 ↗ and i had an unpleasant experience um at

8:33 ↗ target um we've had a couple but the one

8:36 ↗ that um i chose to speak about tonight

8:38 ↗ my husband saw that the council was

8:40 ↗ meeting about the shopping carts and

8:42 ↗ alerted me so i wrote in

8:45 ↗ on december 27th i went to target at

8:48 ↗ like 3 45 in the afternoon to return

8:50 ↗ something and exchange something and i

8:51 ↗ had one bag it was broad daylight it was

8:54 ↗ busy i was parked the fourth car in so i

8:57 ↗ wasn't out remotely

8:59 ↗ um i did my business i came back out to

9:02 ↗ my car and um like i always tell my kids

9:04 ↗ be aware i wasn't i must have been

9:06 ↗ distracted but i wasn't on my phone i

9:08 ↗ was just going straight to my car

9:10 ↗ thinking about the next air and i had to

9:11 ↗ run

9:12 ↗ and i got in my car and i put my bags on

9:15 ↗ my passenger seat and i left my driver's

9:17 ↗ door open and when i went to close my

9:19 ↗ door there was a man standing there

9:20 ↗ between me and my car door

9:24 ↗ and he just said to me i thought he was

9:26 ↗ going to ask me for money

9:28 ↗ but he said um he says here's what's

9:30 ↗ going to happen

9:31 ↗ you're not going to look at me i'm going

9:33 ↗ to get in your car

9:34 ↗ and you're gonna drive me downtown

9:37 ↗ and um

9:38 ↗ i looked at him and i said no i'm not

9:41 ↗ doing that

9:42 ↗ and i got up and

9:44 ↗ pushed him and i slugged him which i

9:47 ↗ know i couldn't have heard him

9:48 ↗ i just it was just reflux reflex

9:52 ↗ um and i

9:53 ↗ ran from my car and i was yelling help

9:56 ↗ and that this man was

9:58 ↗ threatening me or trying to get in my

10:00 ↗ car

10:01 ↗ and i ran into target a couple other

10:03 ↗ people saw him because he was saying to

10:05 ↗ them he's like i'm not trying to get in

10:07 ↗ her car and he went off walking down

10:09 ↗ towards i think towards trader joe's

10:11 ↗ down towards maple

10:13 ↗ when i ran in the store and i asked

10:15 ↗ target i said i need security there's a

10:17 ↗ man out there just threatened he's

10:18 ↗ threatening me and

10:20 ↗ they said we don't have anybody here

10:22 ↗ and i'm like you don't have security and

10:24 ↗ they're like no and i said i don't know

10:26 ↗ what to do this man's in the parking lot

10:28 ↗ and

10:28 ↗ they said well call 9-1-1 i said i don't

10:30 ↗ have my phone i just left the car

10:33 ↗ but i did was in my pocket i had not

10:35 ↗ realized so i called 9-1-1

10:38 ↗ and the police did come out um honestly

10:41 ↗ the officer i was grateful that he came

10:44 ↗ but he was a little dismissive because i

10:45 ↗ wasn't hurt physically

10:48 ↗ and he um

10:49 ↗ he said well what do you want me to do

10:52 ↗ do you want me to press charges and i

10:53 ↗ said i don't know he goes or do you just

10:54 ↗ want to make sure he doesn't do this to

10:56 ↗ anybody again i said well i definitely

10:57 ↗ want that

10:59 ↗ my kids come here which i we haven't

11:01 ↗ been back since

11:03 ↗ um but

11:04 ↗ um

11:06 ↗ he said there really wasn't anything he

11:07 ↗ could do but he was not surprised with

11:08 ↗ the transit station there

11:11 ↗ so i just wanted to

11:13 ↗ tell this story because it's not just

11:15 ↗ shoplifting it's not just shopping carts

11:18 ↗ there's a true threat to our safety i

11:21 ↗ don't know where these people are coming

11:22 ↗ from but the words out that issaquah

11:24 ↗ businesses allow this because i can tell

11:26 ↗ you it's happening at marshall's as well

11:28 ↗ we've seen people walk out

11:31 ↗ with things the kids talk about it at

11:34 ↗ school there's rumors and i've seen

11:36 ↗ people personally run out and the people

11:39 ↗ behind the counter they shouldn't go

11:41 ↗ after these people because they're

11:42 ↗ dangerous they could be dangerous but

11:44 ↗ they need to do something you know

11:46 ↗ costco checks receipts other people have

11:48 ↗ off duty police officers they've got

11:51 ↗ cameras whatever needs to happen

11:53 ↗ something needs to happen we feel unsafe

11:56 ↗ in the community and i feel like

11:58 ↗ i don't like my kids to go into seattle

12:02 ↗ and i feel like it's creeping over here

12:03 ↗ to the east side we've been here 10

12:05 ↗ years

12:06 ↗ i've never felt unsafe until now

12:09 ↗ my daughter and her friend they're 15 or

12:12 ↗ will be 15

12:13 ↗ next month

12:15 ↗ were also followed around at target at

12:16 ↗ one point

12:18 ↗ this was probably in november

12:21 ↗ and a gentleman waited outside the

12:23 ↗ dressing room for them for 20 minutes

12:25 ↗ and would follow them throughout the

12:26 ↗ store they did go and get security and

12:28 ↗ security escorted them out until we

12:29 ↗ could go pick them up

12:32 ↗ so

12:33 ↗ there's other stuff going on like i said

12:35 ↗ other than shoplifting which is wrong

12:38 ↗ but i more fear for our personal safety

12:41 ↗ i'm fortunate that day that the man

12:43 ↗ didn't have a weapon

12:45 ↗ i don't know what his true intention was

12:46 ↗ i did the officer asked me if he was

12:48 ↗ high or drunk he spoke fluently and he

12:51 ↗ wasn't wobbling but he could have been i

12:53 ↗ don't know

12:55 ↗ i don't know why he chose not to fight

12:57 ↗ back

12:58 ↗ but

13:00 ↗ i feel very lucky and i'm

13:02 ↗ thankful my kids weren't with me

13:04 ↗ so i just wanted to share this story

13:06 ↗ because i'm i'm grateful that finally

13:08 ↗ somebody's

13:09 ↗ looking into these issues and i was

13:11 ↗ appalled that by the way i have not

13:13 ↗ heard back from target i called target

13:15 ↗ corporate and target in issaquah again

13:18 ↗ i've called them several times i wanted

13:19 ↗ to review the video because i want to

13:21 ↗ know where this man came from was he

13:22 ↗ following me throughout the store

13:24 ↗ did he you know i don't know where he

13:26 ↗ came from

13:27 ↗ um i haven't heard from anybody

13:30 ↗ and

13:32 ↗ i just think that that's

13:33 ↗ i don't appreciate that either

13:36 ↗ but um so i'm glad that the council's

13:38 ↗ stepping up to do something

13:40 ↗ so thank you

13:41 ↗ for hearing my story

13:43 ↗ cindy this is the mayor and i i want to

13:45 ↗ thank you that's a really difficult

13:47 ↗ story to tell i appreciate that you took

13:50 ↗ the time to write the council i

13:52 ↗ appreciate that you took the time

13:53 ↗ tonight to come and share what must have

13:55 ↗ also been a very painful and

13:57 ↗ traumatizing moment for you

13:59 ↗ i have copied our police chief

14:01 ↗ on your email because um i apologize

14:06 ↗ personally that you felt that your

14:08 ↗ treatment by our police department was

14:09 ↗ dismissive that is not how we want our

14:12 ↗ public to feel

14:15 ↗ so thank you for coming it must be very

14:17 ↗ difficult um but really appreciate that

14:19 ↗ you shared this tonight thank you thank

14:21 ↗ you

14:22 ↗ thank you city clerk who's next on the

14:24 ↗ list evening

14:26 ↗ next we have nicole miller

14:30 ↗ so nicole in just a moment here i'm

14:32 ↗ going to move you up as a panelist

14:35 ↗ so you should see an option to unmute

14:39 ↗ and can choose to turn your video on

14:45 ↗ good evening everyone can you hear me

14:49 ↗ we can hear you just fine nicole

14:51 ↗ great thanks

14:52 ↗ um my name is nicole miller um i live in

14:55 ↗ the ischool highlands on 26th avenue

14:57 ↗ northeast

14:58 ↗ some of you may remember me from when i

15:00 ↗ spoke to the council in november

15:04 ↗ before i begin i just like to say if

15:05 ↗ cindy's still listening

15:07 ↗ that when she was just telling her story

15:09 ↗ that was really making me physically

15:11 ↗ shake because i just can't imagine the

15:13 ↗ stress that that must have put her under

15:15 ↗ and i also apologize that she had to go

15:17 ↗ through that

15:18 ↗ um i would very much like to thank the

15:20 ↗ council for allowing me to speak again

15:22 ↗ tonight and i'd also like to thank you

15:24 ↗ for the actions that you've taken on

15:26 ↗ behalf of the community

15:28 ↗ to make efforts to help reduce the

15:30 ↗ shoplifting problem that we're

15:31 ↗ experiencing that is obviously lending

15:33 ↗ itself to other

15:36 ↗ other events happening in our community

15:38 ↗ which we all find unacceptable of course

15:43 ↗ i've wanted to share with the council

15:45 ↗ that i've continued to try and educate

15:47 ↗ myself about the nationwide problem of

15:50 ↗ high volume retail theft i'm sure that

15:52 ↗ we have all seen on the news both local

15:55 ↗ and national the reports

15:57 ↗ about um

15:59 ↗ mass events happening at nordstrom's at

16:01 ↗ home depots across the country

16:04 ↗ and i want to share that information

16:05 ↗ with you because i understand that as

16:07 ↗ you're trying to run the city and

16:09 ↗ probably also working other jobs that

16:12 ↗ there's a lot going on

16:13 ↗ and you know you do have to deal with

16:16 ↗ crime with threats to the high school

16:17 ↗ coronavirus holidays floods etc so you

16:21 ↗ have a lot on your plate so i just

16:22 ↗ wanted to take this opportunity to share

16:24 ↗ what i've learned the first is that this

16:26 ↗ is a billion dollar industry and it is

16:29 ↗ run by organized crime

16:31 ↗ and unfortunately it's made easier by a

16:34 ↗ lack of prosecution and the very um easy

16:37 ↗ ability for criminals to then uh resell

16:41 ↗ these items

16:42 ↗ uh online in places that we're all very

16:45 ↗ familiar with craigslist ebay amazon and

16:48 ↗ even our own issaquah buy sell trade

16:50 ↗ facebook page

16:51 ↗ just recently jeff bezos did acknowledge

16:54 ↗ that they do have non-bill non-verified

16:57 ↗ sellers on amazon

16:59 ↗ and i feel that i have probably been a

17:01 ↗ victim of this too

17:03 ↗ so when you find that bottled perfume or

17:06 ↗ that coach bag on amazon and it's such a

17:08 ↗ great price there's definitely a reason

17:11 ↗ why

17:12 ↗ so i've been able to educate myself

17:14 ↗ about stuff like that

17:16 ↗ i've also created an addendum to this

17:19 ↗ talk that i'm giving tonight with a

17:21 ↗ bunch of different links on it to

17:23 ↗ different

17:24 ↗ sites to

17:25 ↗ share the background of some of the

17:27 ↗ information that i'm sharing with you so

17:29 ↗ i hope that you'll take an opportunity

17:31 ↗ to peruse that

17:33 ↗ the second thing that i've learned is

17:35 ↗ that these criminal rings are employing

17:37 ↗ professional thieves

17:39 ↗ they are also targeting people who are

17:42 ↗ down on their luck and quite frankly

17:44 ↗ also people who are addicted and

17:47 ↗ addicted to drugs in particular

17:50 ↗ there's uh one story in the articles

17:52 ↗ that i attached to the addendum that

17:56 ↗ is from a

17:57 ↗ man who's currently serving time in ohio

18:00 ↗ he said he would make up to twenty five

18:02 ↗ hundred dollars a day

18:04 ↗ with little to no threat of arrest

18:06 ↗ and that is why he turned to um away

18:10 ↗ from selling drugs

18:12 ↗ to um participating in these big retail

18:16 ↗ theft rings

18:17 ↗ the third thing that i've learned is

18:19 ↗ that different states and local police

18:21 ↗ are using different tactics and methods

18:23 ↗ to try and combat this wave of crime

18:26 ↗ one example is in florida where they've

18:28 ↗ created an organized retail crime

18:30 ↗ exchange which allows different law

18:32 ↗ enforcement agencies um at the state and

18:34 ↗ local level to exchange information and

18:37 ↗ therefore be able to hone in on these

18:39 ↗ rings

18:40 ↗ in arkansas which is of course the home

18:42 ↗ of walmart they've passed state bill 470

18:44 ↗ which requires disclosure of online

18:46 ↗ marketplaces

18:48 ↗ that make more than five thousand

18:50 ↗ dollars in a two-year period

18:52 ↗ that's of importance because if you're

18:54 ↗ just selling your kids leftover toys or

18:57 ↗ his winter clothes from last season

18:58 ↗ you're not going to make a profit that's

19:00 ↗ going to be greater than 5 000 in all

19:02 ↗ likelihood so again just another tool

19:06 ↗ to use to

19:07 ↗ hone in on these rings

19:09 ↗ another thing

19:11 ↗ for local police to consider

19:13 ↗ men maybe here in issagua

19:15 ↗ is that

19:17 ↗ the local police in ohio have set up

19:19 ↗ sting operations by trolling online

19:22 ↗ marketplaces and then

19:24 ↗ setting people up to go and buy these uh

19:27 ↗ items from them

19:28 ↗ so they're able to put behind bars the

19:30 ↗ people who have stolen these goods and

19:32 ↗ also the people who are reselling them

19:35 ↗ the fourth thing that i've learned is

19:36 ↗ that washington is in the top 10 of

19:39 ↗ states

19:40 ↗ in the u.s that's being impacted by this

19:42 ↗ organelle re organize retail theft

19:44 ↗ and in king county

19:47 ↗ it is only a misdemeanor to be in

19:49 ↗ possession of stolen property if it's

19:50 ↗ valued at a thousand dollars or less

19:53 ↗ that's according to section 15 of the

19:55 ↗ filing and just disposition standards

19:57 ↗ for king county prosecutor's office

20:00 ↗ i don't know this first hand but i'm

20:02 ↗ going to guess that the criminals don't

20:04 ↗ know the organizations that are hiring

20:06 ↗ them do know this number

20:08 ↗ and if arrested the criminals and that's

20:11 ↗ a big if right now if they're arrested

20:14 ↗ then right now in king county it appears

20:16 ↗ to me unless i'm reading the information

20:18 ↗ incorrectly that there's two choices the

20:21 ↗ false first is for them to go through an

20:23 ↗ adult diversion program

20:25 ↗ where they would participate in eight

20:27 ↗ hours of community service within a

20:29 ↗ 60-day window

20:30 ↗ or and they could be and i emphasize

20:33 ↗ that could be prosecuted and sent to

20:35 ↗ jail for up to 90 days with a thousand

20:38 ↗ dollar fine

20:40 ↗ nicole

20:41 ↗ this is the clerk just letting you know

20:43 ↗ you've reached the end of your

20:44 ↗ five-minute comment period if you could

20:46 ↗ summarize please i sure will i'll just

20:49 ↗ summarize then quickly with three

20:50 ↗ questions i have

20:52 ↗ is the city of isquad going to engage

20:54 ↗ with the county or state officials on

20:56 ↗ the larger scale scope plan to combat

20:58 ↗ this problem what other retailers

21:00 ↗ besides target

21:02 ↗ are we engaging as a city to address

21:04 ↗ this issue

21:05 ↗ and how do we plan to engage the

21:08 ↗ citizens of esquad to report crimes that

21:10 ↗ are in progress

21:11 ↗ so that we can start getting

21:15 ↗ a deterrent to all of this thank you for

21:17 ↗ your time

21:19 ↗ thank you nicole and thank you for those

21:21 ↗ questions um

21:22 ↗ when we do get to those ordinances i

21:26 ↗ would hope that our attorney rachel

21:28 ↗ chirpin and city administrator bob kuetz

21:30 ↗ will be able to provide answers to those

21:32 ↗ three great questions that you just

21:33 ↗ asked thank you

21:35 ↗ city cleric who's next up for

21:37 ↗ public comment

21:40 ↗ the next speaker is mark

21:42 ↗ clemons in just a moment here mark i

21:46 ↗ will move you up as a panelist and you

21:48 ↗ should see an option to unmute and can

21:50 ↗ choose to turn your video on

22:03 ↗ can everybody hear me

22:05 ↗ yes we can thanks

22:07 ↗ uh my name is mark clemens i am the

22:09 ↗ executive director of the downtown

22:12 ↗ issaquah association

22:14 ↗ madame mayor and members of the council

22:16 ↗ i'm pleased to be here this evening and

22:19 ↗ i just want to introduce myself for a

22:22 ↗ little bit

22:23 ↗ i've called this squad home for 12 years

22:25 ↗ i live in the sycamores

22:27 ↗ neighborhood just south of the downtown

22:29 ↗ have a background in non-profit business

22:31 ↗ where i form business uh strategic

22:33 ↗ partnerships and deliver community-based

22:35 ↗ programs

22:36 ↗ so i don't want to sound tone-deaf to

22:39 ↗ what other people have

22:41 ↗ said

22:42 ↗ but i want to steer the conversation a

22:44 ↗ little a bit away from the important

22:46 ↗ matters of uh community safety and just

22:49 ↗ kind of give a few highlights of the

22:51 ↗ downtown association

22:53 ↗ for 2021.

22:55 ↗ we led investment of more than 150 000

22:58 ↗ in historic preservation

23:00 ↗ we took the lead on landmarking the

23:02 ↗ coots garage building at 35 sunset way

23:05 ↗ soon to be the big picture

23:07 ↗ we debuted

23:08 ↗ and the refreshed hailstone feed store

23:11 ↗ at the seventh annual holiday shop

23:14 ↗ since october

23:15 ↗ seven additional businesses are

23:17 ↗ supporting the association through the

23:19 ↗ tax credit incentive program

23:21 ↗ we have more flower baskets than ever

23:23 ↗ before to help the ongoing

23:25 ↗ beautification of the district

23:28 ↗ we spearheaded the ongoing cleanup

23:31 ↗ effort in downtown partnering with seven

23:33 ↗ other non-profits to keep is quite

23:35 ↗ beautiful day and we didn't stop there

23:37 ↗ we were partnering with the uh esquire

23:39 ↗ outs club to invest in cleanup kits for

23:42 ↗ trail maintenance

23:43 ↗ and available for volunteer cleanups we

23:46 ↗ featured issaquah hall of famer francis

23:48 ↗ walton at issaquah mcmusic day

23:51 ↗ we invested significantly in promotion

23:53 ↗ of the historically hit downtown in 45

23:55 ↗ magazine and on various billboards and

23:58 ↗ finally looking into 2022

24:01 ↗ we're excited to announce vendors on

24:02 ↗ front street is coming back after a

24:04 ↗ two-year hiatus what makes dear a truly

24:07 ↗ unique organization is the ability to

24:09 ↗ bridge the gaps between government

24:11 ↗ private businesses

24:13 ↗ property owners residents non-profits

24:15 ↗ and visitors so simply put we bring

24:18 ↗ people to the downtown we engage with

24:20 ↗ the community we instill pride in our

24:22 ↗ downtown and we keep businesses informed

24:24 ↗ on matters that impact them whether

24:26 ↗ that's pandemic related issues around

24:29 ↗ town natural disasters or ordinances

24:31 ↗ being considered which brings me to the

24:33 ↗ two of gender items

24:35 ↗ on today's

24:38 ↗ agenda

24:39 ↗ first i'd like to thank the city for

24:41 ↗ putting safety as a priority

24:44 ↗ the shopping cart ordinance ab-8307

24:48 ↗ dear does not support this ordinance at

24:50 ↗ this time the concern is impacting

24:53 ↗ businesses at a time when there is

24:55 ↗ workforce workforce shortages and

24:58 ↗ staffing challenges there's a particular

25:00 ↗ concern wording of the following

25:02 ↗ paragraph

25:04 ↗ any private property owner that allows

25:06 ↗ an accumulation of three or more

25:08 ↗ shopping carts that are not maintained

25:11 ↗ as part of the business located on such

25:13 ↗ property as committed as civil

25:15 ↗ infraction

25:16 ↗ so therefore um now the victim is now

25:19 ↗ sort of becoming the criminal and the

25:22 ↗ impacts are far greater in the community

25:24 ↗ the downtown issachar association is

25:26 ↗ happy to educate our business owners

25:28 ↗ about the negative impacts

25:30 ↗ that shopping carts are having in our

25:32 ↗ community

25:33 ↗ agenda bill

25:35 ↗ 38316 revoking business licenses because

25:38 ↗ of public health safety peace or welfare

25:41 ↗ dear does not support this ordinance the

25:43 ↗ major concern is the ambiguous language

25:46 ↗ of this ordinance the writing is vague

25:48 ↗ to the point of being incomplete there's

25:51 ↗ no explanation about what constitutes an

25:53 ↗ infraction

25:54 ↗ what is the process to appeal and how

25:56 ↗ the city will enforce their audience the

25:58 ↗ downtown is issaquah association

26:01 ↗ appreciates the support and long-term

26:03 ↗ partnership of the city and once again

26:05 ↗ for putting safety first thank you for

26:07 ↗ your time

26:09 ↗ thank you mark and nice to meet you

26:12 ↗ city clerk who's next on our agenda

26:16 ↗ next we have nathan fossler

26:19 ↗ and real quick before i move nathan up i

26:21 ↗ see we've had a few people join us in

26:23 ↗ the meeting if there's anyone who's

26:25 ↗ joined and wants to make comments under

26:27 ↗ public comment please send me the host

26:29 ↗ to chat or raise your virtual hand if

26:32 ↗ you're on the phone you can plus

26:34 ↗ press star 3 if you've joined my

26:36 ↗ computer please look for the small hand

26:38 ↗ icon

26:39 ↗ and with that nathan i'll move you up as

26:41 ↗ a panelist now you should see the option

26:43 ↗ to unmute and can choose to turn your

26:46 ↗ video on in just a moment

26:54 ↗ hello council hello madam mayor thank

26:56 ↗ you uh all for having me here this

26:58 ↗ evening at tonight's meeting it's a

26:59 ↗ pleasure to be here with you all

27:01 ↗ um i wanted to first start off by

27:03 ↗ introducing myself i'm nathan bassler

27:05 ↗ president of castis and i'm also the

27:07 ↗ chair elect for the issaquah chamber

27:08 ↗ board of chamber of commerce

27:10 ↗ so i'm here to speak to you on behalf of

27:12 ↗ business owners and on behalf of the

27:13 ↗ chamber

27:15 ↗ about the recent proposed

27:17 ↗ proposal of provoking a business license

27:20 ↗ for public health

27:21 ↗ safety standards and whatnot so um

27:24 ↗ my address by the way is 960 northwest

27:27 ↗ innisfood place issaquah washington

27:28 ↗ 98027 that's my residence

27:31 ↗ but uh thanks for reaching out to us at

27:32 ↗ the chamber we do greatly appreciate

27:33 ↗ that

27:34 ↗ being in part of the community we wanted

27:36 ↗ to recognize that we we appreciate you

27:38 ↗ reaching out to us

27:40 ↗ uh and wanted to talk about the comment

27:42 ↗ of revoking business license

27:44 ↗ one of our concerns is the broad

27:46 ↗ language at the beginning and we don't

27:48 ↗ you know want to have the effect of

27:49 ↗ creating a chilling feeling for business

27:51 ↗ in issaquah so we just fear that

27:53 ↗ philadelphia can be narrowed down more

27:56 ↗ more precisely a little more time spent

27:57 ↗ to figure out you know specifics around

28:00 ↗ the language so that it's not so broad

28:02 ↗ and really

28:04 ↗ hits the nail on the head for the major

28:05 ↗ problem that we currently have and we're

28:07 ↗ faced with in issaquah not only just the

28:10 ↗ stealing the theft and the crime but

28:12 ↗ also the cart litter in the community as

28:14 ↗ well

28:15 ↗ um we want to be you know known as a

28:17 ↗ very business friendly climate here in

28:18 ↗ issaquah i believe and i've stated

28:20 ↗ earlier too under meeting with the mayor

28:22 ↗ and lindsey walsh on friday that i truly

28:25 ↗ do believe in my heart that issaquah is

28:27 ↗ a terrific place to do business i mean

28:28 ↗ what better statement than to do

28:30 ↗ business and live in issaquah

28:32 ↗ i do believe that isawa is a hidden gem

28:33 ↗ especially for today's future businesses

28:36 ↗ that we embark on you know startups

28:38 ↗ small business large business can scale

28:40 ↗ in any small community these days with a

28:43 ↗ great global reach and that's impressive

28:45 ↗ i want issaquah to be the place that can

28:47 ↗ generate a lot of different businesses

28:49 ↗ to come to this area bringing great

28:51 ↗ equity and people to live in our

28:53 ↗ community like i've chosen to live and

28:55 ↗ work in isequah

28:57 ↗ we can do that on a great scale and i

28:59 ↗ think if we put our heads together the

29:00 ↗ business climate

29:02 ↗ citizens of issaquah and the council

29:04 ↗ there's enough brilliant people here

29:05 ↗ that we can make really great exciting

29:07 ↗ exciting things happen um keeping the

29:09 ↗ other cities on their toes so to speak

29:12 ↗ after much discussion at the chamber

29:14 ↗ we've come up with a few questions and

29:16 ↗ concerns of course but everything being

29:19 ↗ you know our intentions to be productive

29:21 ↗ and add value to the conversation

29:24 ↗ so a couple questions that i have just

29:26 ↗ to say out loud has there been any

29:28 ↗ discussions of getting businesses small

29:30 ↗ and large together in a kind of a town

29:32 ↗ forum type of manner where we can get

29:34 ↗ together discuss ideas

29:36 ↗ share our concerns our thoughts and come

29:38 ↗ up with something really proactive

29:39 ↗ because you all know once you get more

29:40 ↗ minds in you get broader outreach and

29:42 ↗ just broader perspective

29:44 ↗ so that would be an excellent suggestion

29:47 ↗ also might bring a lot of accountability

29:49 ↗ really quick

29:51 ↗ and a lot of good action with that being

29:53 ↗ the goal

29:54 ↗ also um if these businesses uh choose

29:58 ↗ not to enforce the law which we've

30:00 ↗ clarified is what is what is asked any

30:03 ↗ business or anyone in this squad what is

30:04 ↗ the law that is number one to call 9-1-1

30:07 ↗ and number two is the press charges we

30:09 ↗ want to make that example we want our

30:10 ↗ businesses large and small to follow

30:12 ↗ that

30:13 ↗ i fear

30:14 ↗ than not having enough police officers

30:16 ↗ on the ground to be able to act quick

30:18 ↗ and get every business person that needs

30:20 ↗ attention attention at that same time so

30:22 ↗ that is you know a wide you know we've

30:24 ↗ had suggestions and comments it's not

30:26 ↗ just

30:27 ↗ one business it's all these businesses

30:29 ↗ small and large in issaquah

30:31 ↗ so if we do want them to call 9-1-1 we

30:33 ↗ might have to think about addressing

30:34 ↗ issues like bringing more police on on

30:37 ↗ budget

30:38 ↗ but in summary uh we recommend that if

30:40 ↗ some business works with community and

30:42 ↗ we can create this nice synergy between

30:43 ↗ the two of us between all of us

30:46 ↗ and just take a little bit more time

30:47 ↗ even though we know that we're faced

30:48 ↗ with a decision that needs to happen

30:50 ↗ quick we understand that pressure and we

30:52 ↗ can agree more um so just wanted to put

30:54 ↗ our thoughts out there and respectfully

30:56 ↗ give them out to you all and wanted to

30:58 ↗ thank you for listening to me both the

31:00 ↗ city staff and city council of course

31:03 ↗ and also citizens doing to the skull so

31:05 ↗ thank you thank you nathan and

31:07 ↗ congratulations on being president-elect

31:10 ↗ uh city clerk do we have anybody else on

31:13 ↗ our list this evening to speak

31:16 ↗ yes next we have jonathan smith

31:21 ↗ jonathan in just a moment here i'm going

31:23 ↗ to move you up as a panelist

31:26 ↗ you should have the option to unmute and

31:27 ↗ can choose to turn your video on

31:32 ↗ [Music]

31:40 ↗ okay

31:42 ↗ hello my name is jonathan smith

31:45 ↗ i live at 1099 northwest glenwood place

31:48 ↗ i've been a resident of issaquah for

31:49 ↗ approximately 25 years

31:52 ↗ i host a monthly

31:55 ↗ grassroots

31:58 ↗ community litter cleanup event

32:01 ↗ um that's what i wanted to talk about

32:03 ↗ tonight but but first i i've been

32:05 ↗ listening and i want to add in a little

32:06 ↗ bit of information

32:08 ↗ um

32:08 ↗ some observations that i've had while

32:11 ↗ cleaning up litter

32:13 ↗ i've been cleaning up litter for

32:14 ↗ probably a year in in the um

32:17 ↗ issaquah commons area and around um

32:20 ↗ costco and lowe's and uh

32:23 ↗ red robin such places like that in the

32:25 ↗ parks

32:27 ↗ while cleaning up litter i have noticed

32:30 ↗ that

32:33 ↗ target

32:35 ↗ the things that we've talked about

32:36 ↗ tonight

32:38 ↗ shoplifting etc target has far more

32:42 ↗ litter

32:43 ↗ and shopping cart problems

32:45 ↗ than costco

32:47 ↗ and costco makes it much more difficult

32:50 ↗ to

32:52 ↗ to shoplift first of all you have to

32:54 ↗ have a membership to get in

32:56 ↗ and they check receipts on the way out

33:00 ↗ i i even went as far as complementing

33:03 ↗ costco earlier

33:04 ↗ last year

33:06 ↗ late last year just about how clean they

33:08 ↗ keep their areas in comparison to

33:12 ↗ the issaquah commons shopping areas

33:15 ↗ so

33:16 ↗ that's pretty much what i wanted to say

33:17 ↗ there i also wanted to say

33:19 ↗ i wanted to comment on cindy herron's

33:22 ↗ comments about not feeling comfortable

33:24 ↗ or shopping at target we have

33:27 ↗ experienced um some of the same things

33:29 ↗ not quite as bad as as what cindy has

33:32 ↗ experienced but we no longer feel

33:35 ↗ comfortable shopping at the target store

33:38 ↗ okay

33:39 ↗ that was all ad lib but what i really

33:41 ↗ wanted to talk about here is i just

33:43 ↗ wanted to announce that i am hosting a

33:46 ↗ a monthly grassroots litter cleanup

33:49 ↗ event it's a community litter cleanup

33:51 ↗ event the next event is february 5th

33:55 ↗ we meet at the post office parking lot

33:57 ↗ on northwest gilman boulevard at 9am

34:00 ↗ i will be advertising this on nextdoor

34:03 ↗ trash mob and facebook as well as

34:05 ↗ sending out email to

34:08 ↗ a lot of the civic organizations the

34:11 ↗ chamber of commerce and the downtown

34:12 ↗ association boy scouts sql high school

34:15 ↗ etc

34:17 ↗ [Music]

34:18 ↗ we once again those are monthly litter

34:21 ↗ cleanups the first saturday of every

34:23 ↗ month we'll meet um

34:25 ↗ and

34:26 ↗ spend an hour cleaning up our our city

34:30 ↗ um

34:31 ↗ and i just wanted to give a shout out

34:33 ↗ and a thank you to the city

34:34 ↗ administration and city council and

34:37 ↗ mayor um for the engagement and support

34:40 ↗ that we're getting with

34:42 ↗ helping us do this these little cleanups

34:44 ↗ at least uh

34:45 ↗ working to establish a place where we

34:47 ↗ can dump our bags of trash

34:50 ↗ thank you and that's it

34:52 ↗ jonathan thanks for all you do you

34:54 ↗ forgot to mention the donuts though

34:55 ↗ sometimes you actually show up with

34:57 ↗ donuts as well so they get a treat

34:59 ↗ we did have donut coffee and donuts last

35:01 ↗ week and i'll last time and i'll plan to

35:03 ↗ do that again this time thank you

35:06 ↗ thank you jonathan uh

35:09 ↗ city clerk is there anyone else ready to

35:11 ↗ speak today

35:13 ↗ yes we have two more people who've

35:15 ↗ indicated a desire to speak the first is

35:17 ↗ tim kimball

35:20 ↗ tim in just a moment here i'll move you

35:22 ↗ up as a panelist and you can choose to

35:25 ↗ you can unmute and then choose to turn

35:26 ↗ your video on

35:30 ↗ [Music]

35:32 ↗ all right

35:33 ↗ you can hear me

35:36 ↗ okay

35:37 ↗ all right thank you

35:39 ↗ and uh

35:40 ↗ thanks to uh jonathan for your uh

35:42 ↗ cleanup efforts um i think you said

35:45 ↗ donuts so i'll plan to be there

35:47 ↗ at the next event

35:49 ↗ uh thank you mayor paulie and council

35:51 ↗ members and everybody in attendance um

35:53 ↗ for allowing me to speak on

35:55 ↗ this uh important issue

35:57 ↗ my name is tim kimball i live at 2825

36:00 ↗ northwest pinecone drive i'm a 26-year

36:03 ↗ resident of issaquah

36:05 ↗ and this is regarding the ordinance

36:06 ↗ addressing

36:07 ↗ the abandoned shopping carts and

36:09 ↗ suspension of business licenses and some

36:12 ↗ of what i'm going to say is um

36:15 ↗ going to echo what others have have said

36:18 ↗ but i just wanted to provide a

36:20 ↗ a little back story on my perception of

36:22 ↗ this uh important issue

36:26 ↗ starting in about october of last year i

36:28 ↗ first noticed the

36:29 ↗ proliferation of the abandoned shopping

36:32 ↗ carts uh mostly the red target cards

36:35 ↗ they were mainly in the area immediately

36:37 ↗ surrounding the esquad transit center

36:40 ↗ maple and sr 900

36:43 ↗ and on several occasions i'd be walking

36:45 ↗ uh my dog i'd pass by the carts

36:48 ↗ heading east on maple towards

36:51 ↗ target i'd come upon

36:53 ↗ several individuals pushing target carts

36:56 ↗ that were loaded with boxes of brand new

36:58 ↗ merchandise

37:01 ↗ and i

37:02 ↗ i

37:04 ↗ then went into the target to see if i

37:06 ↗ could notify a manager about the lost

37:09 ↗ carts and see

37:11 ↗ about what protocols they might have

37:14 ↗ but seeing that you know the store was

37:16 ↗ was understaffed and was very busy at

37:18 ↗ that time i decided to return at a later

37:20 ↗ time and at that point i was passed by

37:24 ↗ another individual

37:25 ↗ with a cart containing four or five

37:27 ↗ large items

37:29 ↗ and this person was clearly going

37:31 ↗ against the general flow of traffic

37:33 ↗ uh not from the checkout area

37:36 ↗ so at that point the security light and

37:38 ↗ the alarm sounded but it didn't seem as

37:41 ↗ though anyone was monitoring the traffic

37:43 ↗ flow

37:44 ↗ so i noted that this individual pushed

37:46 ↗ the cart to a parked vehicle where he

37:48 ↗ unloaded the items and drove off

37:53 ↗ later i called to report this incident

37:54 ↗ to isquad police and was told by

37:57 ↗ a very patient and helpful officer

38:00 ↗ that the police are powerless to do

38:02 ↗ anything unless the businesses was

38:04 ↗ willing to press charges or at least to

38:06 ↗ act in some way uh from what i gathered

38:09 ↗ of the conversation

38:11 ↗ so i'd like to just contrast this with

38:14 ↗ other targets that i've visited

38:16 ↗ uh during the last couple of months

38:19 ↗ i was traveling in through california

38:21 ↗ and arizona

38:23 ↗ where there is

38:25 ↗ in other stores there's a security

38:27 ↗ presence in the store and

38:30 ↗ this is just a a friendly employee who

38:34 ↗ who greets the customers the guests that

38:36 ↗ are coming into the store

38:38 ↗ observes activity into and out of the

38:40 ↗ store

38:41 ↗ and uh this particular employee that i

38:43 ↗ saw wore a shirt imprinted with

38:46 ↗ security

38:47 ↗ and

38:48 ↗ it's just

38:50 ↗ a measure of loss prevention

38:52 ↗ that the store

38:54 ↗ decided to implement it it wasn't

38:57 ↗ unsettling or

38:59 ↗ you know invasive as

39:01 ↗ is it was not an armed guard but it was

39:04 ↗ you know a comforting

39:06 ↗ uh

39:07 ↗ employee that

39:08 ↗ the store is at least

39:10 ↗ taking a basic measure to ward off

39:12 ↗ shoplifting and the shoplifting you know

39:14 ↗ which of course results in higher prices

39:16 ↗ for

39:17 ↗ law-abiding customers as well as

39:19 ↗ attracting you know other criminal

39:21 ↗ behavior that we

39:23 ↗ you know

39:24 ↗ discussed earlier

39:25 ↗ and lastly i'd just like to um also

39:29 ↗ mention you know costco and though

39:31 ↗ you know though i realize it's a it's a

39:33 ↗ membership store

39:35 ↗ they avoid this you know the rampant

39:37 ↗ theft of merchandise and the misplaced

39:38 ↗ carts

39:40 ↗ by you know employing a simple system

39:42 ↗ that of course we're all very familiar

39:44 ↗ with

39:46 ↗ um

39:47 ↗ so basically i i would just

39:50 ↗ hope that we could promote a a more you

39:52 ↗ know safe and unlawful issaquah friendly

39:55 ↗ businesses

39:56 ↗ and

39:57 ↗ demand accountability of businesses in

39:59 ↗ the community by

40:02 ↗ approving these two ordinances

40:05 ↗ thank you for your time

40:06 ↗ that's all i have

40:07 ↗ thank you very much tim uh city clerk we

40:10 ↗ have an additional speaker tonight one

40:12 ↗ more

40:14 ↗ we do and just a very last call if

40:16 ↗ anyone else wants to make comments

40:17 ↗ please send me the host to chat or raise

40:20 ↗ your virtual hand the last person who's

40:22 ↗ indicated a desire to speak at this time

40:25 ↗ is gloria chen gloria

40:28 ↗ in just a moment here i will make you a

40:30 ↗ panelist you should be able to unmute

40:32 ↗ and can choose to turn your video on

40:36 ↗ [Music]

40:42 ↗ hi um

40:44 ↗ this is crow red sheen and i

40:47 ↗ first of all i

40:49 ↗ want to say thank you

40:50 ↗ um and thank you

40:53 ↗ um everyone for

40:56 ↗ serving the residents and the business

40:59 ↗ owners of uh

41:00 ↗ city of issaquah

41:04 ↗ um okay

41:07 ↗ and then i would like to uh

41:10 ↗ um just uh reiterate that um

41:13 ↗ i sent a letter to

41:16 ↗ um council members

41:18 ↗ a couple weeks ago um and then i just

41:21 ↗ want to um weigh in my perspective and

41:25 ↗ and hope um the city would um consider

41:29 ↗ my thoughts

41:31 ↗ so i'm just gonna partially read my

41:35 ↗ letter

41:37 ↗ um

41:41 ↗ i'm a residence and a city of business

41:45 ↗ owners in issaquah my address is 4316

41:49 ↗ west lake summit parkway

41:51 ↗ southeast

41:53 ↗ um

41:54 ↗ i

41:54 ↗ know that recently we passed a measure

41:57 ↗ of

41:58 ↗ climate action

42:00 ↗ to reduce the natural gas um

42:05 ↗ usage

42:06 ↗ so

42:08 ↗ i addressed a letter to

42:10 ↗ the city member city council members so

42:13 ↗ i think we we had a

42:16 ↗ snowstorm uh in december

42:19 ↗ and then when i mentioned the snowstorm

42:21 ↗ to my relative in texas

42:24 ↗ they immediately

42:26 ↗ gave me a warning

42:28 ↗ i believe we all remember texas

42:30 ↗ experience historical low temperature

42:32 ↗ disasters in february last year

42:35 ↗ um they had no electricity no water no

42:38 ↗ internet freezing cold indoors

42:41 ↗ for many days

42:43 ↗ so immediately i had a concern

42:46 ↗ but luckily we did not have um that kind

42:48 ↗ of disaster happened um to us

42:51 ↗ but moving forward

42:54 ↗ um

42:55 ↗ natural gas can be on an alternative

42:59 ↗ energy resource

43:00 ↗ in case there is no electricity

43:04 ↗ um

43:05 ↗ and then

43:06 ↗ if we get rid of the natural gas the

43:08 ↗ whole city will be uh paralyzed when

43:12 ↗ the electricity uh outage is has

43:16 ↗ happens

43:17 ↗ so

43:18 ↗ um

43:19 ↗ also natural gas um

43:22 ↗ well um

43:23 ↗ to generate electricity

43:26 ↗ we need to use 40

43:28 ↗ of natural gas this

43:30 ↗ this data is according to the u.s

43:32 ↗ energy information administration

43:35 ↗ to generate electricity

43:37 ↗ we have to use 20 of renewable resources

43:41 ↗ twenty percent of a nuclear

43:43 ↗ uh nineteen percent of coal and a forty

43:46 ↗ percent of natural gas

43:48 ↗ so it's not really um saving us any um

43:51 ↗ much uh natural gas when we

43:54 ↗ transfer to electricity

43:58 ↗ and further

43:59 ↗ more

44:01 ↗ if we use more electricity then

44:04 ↗ maybe sometime in the future we need to

44:06 ↗ build a nuclear power plant

44:08 ↗ um

44:09 ↗ we i'm just thinking about the

44:11 ↗ nationwide uh scale

44:13 ↗ um

44:14 ↗ the higher electricity demand the more

44:16 ↗ power plants we will need to

44:19 ↗ build

44:20 ↗ and then um and then the the power plant

44:23 ↗ will generate the waste

44:25 ↗ uh last year

44:27 ↗ japan announced dumping their nuclear

44:29 ↗ power waste uh into the ocean

44:33 ↗ and then that um

44:35 ↗ raises a lot of

44:37 ↗ neighboring countries concerned

44:39 ↗ and so and we know the current the ocean

44:42 ↗ current goes from japan to alaska and

44:45 ↗ then seattle um is this going to be a

44:48 ↗ concern for us for our seafood such as

44:51 ↗ salmon

44:54 ↗ and also one more point of view from a

44:57 ↗ national perspective as a country

45:01 ↗ relying on one energy resource will

45:05 ↗ actually

45:08 ↗ make our country more vulnerable and

45:12 ↗ in case of

45:13 ↗ we are under attack by our enemies

45:17 ↗ and then multiple energy resources

45:19 ↗ can um set up set us up for victory

45:23 ↗ instead of defeat

45:25 ↗ um so i'm just thinking you know abroad

45:28 ↗ um

45:29 ↗ a big scale and then everything starts

45:32 ↗ from small from from a city

45:34 ↗ um

45:36 ↗ so and also when when we try to uh

45:39 ↗ change from

45:41 ↗ um try to eliminate the natural gas then

45:44 ↗ of course our permit

45:46 ↗ our

45:47 ↗ code will need to be changed our

45:49 ↗ permanent process will be need to be

45:50 ↗ changed so as we all know all the

45:53 ↗ restaurants and the hotels they use

45:56 ↗ natural gas for cooking

45:58 ↗ and the natural gas cooking is faster

46:00 ↗ than electricity cooking and then if

46:03 ↗ they get rid of the natural gas um

46:06 ↗ how can they serve their their customers

46:09 ↗ um

46:10 ↗ in the timely

46:11 ↗ fashion

46:13 ↗ and also

46:14 ↗ when we change the the permitting

46:17 ↗ uh process it will actually make the

46:22 ↗ the whole process more expensive and the

46:24 ↗ construction cost will be

46:26 ↗ way way too high um and then that would

46:30 ↗ actually i'm thinking that would

46:32 ↗ actually damage our economy uh in

46:35 ↗ issaquah because probably less and less

46:37 ↗ people want to um have business

46:40 ↗ here

46:42 ↗ in issaquah or or doing any remodeling

46:46 ↗ in issaquah

46:48 ↗ i am in the architectural and interior

46:50 ↗ design field

46:52 ↗ i deal with permitting a lot

46:55 ↗ every every month

46:57 ↗ so i

46:59 ↗ know the processes

47:01 ↗ the the process of the permitting

47:04 ↗ how difficult it will become

47:07 ↗ so i hope

47:08 ↗ um

47:09 ↗ us

47:10 ↗ council members in the city will

47:13 ↗ reconsider

47:14 ↗ um the the decision um

47:17 ↗ about the climate action

47:19 ↗ uh thank you so much for listening to my

47:23 ↗ point of view

47:26 ↗ thank you gloria for coming tonight and

47:27 ↗ also for writing the council earlier

47:29 ↗ much appreciated

47:32 ↗ you welcome

47:34 ↗ today clerk do we have anyone else who

47:36 ↗ has indicated a desire to speak

47:39 ↗ no

47:39 ↗ [Music]

47:42 ↗ thank you very much so uh we heard from

47:44 ↗ many speakers tonight about shoplifting

47:47 ↗ and community concerns over feeling safe

47:49 ↗ within our issaquah community we also

47:52 ↗ heard speakers speaking on behalf of the

47:54 ↗ business community with the desire to

47:56 ↗ work with the city with them on

47:58 ↗ addressing these issues potentially

48:00 ↗ through a business forum

48:02 ↗ we heard from our nonprofit downtown

48:04 ↗ isco association that they are not in

48:06 ↗ favor of these ordinances and we also

48:09 ↗ had comments on energy resiliency during

48:12 ↗ extreme weather events and the use of

48:14 ↗ natural gas during power outages

48:17 ↗ we have also got some questions this

48:19 ↗ evening

48:20 ↗ on the ordinances that i'm hoping staff

48:22 ↗ may be able to adjust

48:24 ↗ or sorry address when

48:27 ↗ the council has got their q a session

48:30 ↗ there were two clarifications i just

48:32 ↗ want to make for public information

48:33 ↗ before we proceed to council president

48:36 ↗ reporting out on additional public

48:37 ↗ comment that may have been received the

48:40 ↗ first clarification is that

48:43 ↗ there is currently no proposal in front

48:45 ↗ of the city council to eliminate natural

48:47 ↗ gas in issaquah what the council has

48:50 ↗ done is they have asked the city staff

48:53 ↗ to monitor conversions from natural gas

48:55 ↗ to electricity and to report back so i

48:58 ↗ just want to make sure it's clear within

48:59 ↗ the community that the council is

49:01 ↗ currently not considering eliminating

49:04 ↗ natural gas that would be a quite a

49:05 ↗ significant process

49:07 ↗ to go through and would require several

49:10 ↗ multiple multiple touches with the

49:12 ↗ community

49:13 ↗ the second clarification is on the

49:16 ↗ ordinances themselves and that

49:18 ↗ just wanted to clarify that these two

49:21 ↗ items that have been put before council

49:22 ↗ tonight are to address a criminal crisis

49:25 ↗ that we're experiencing in town and that

49:27 ↗ they are a small portion

49:29 ↗ of a code section that requires updating

49:31 ↗ and this is a single touch item for the

49:34 ↗ council this evening but when we address

49:37 ↗ the update to the full code

49:39 ↗ we would be following all of our

49:41 ↗ processes of engagement with the

49:42 ↗ business community and our existing

49:45 ↗ boards and commissions as we normally do

49:47 ↗ so i just wanted to clarify

49:49 ↗ those two points and council president

49:51 ↗ would you please share any additional

49:53 ↗ information that you may have res the

49:54 ↗ council may have received by email this

49:56 ↗ week

49:58 ↗ thank you madam mayor um this is council

50:00 ↗ president welsh we did receive several

50:02 ↗ comments um and to summarize them i've

50:06 ↗ grouped them into general response and

50:08 ↗ then responses on each of the agenda

50:11 ↗ items which i was thinking i would hold

50:14 ↗ till later unless you want me to

50:16 ↗ summarize everything up front

50:20 ↗ since we're not actually having a

50:22 ↗ hearing and public comment on the

50:24 ↗ ordinances it's probably okay for you

50:26 ↗ now to put all of the comments out on

50:28 ↗ the table thank you for clarifying now

50:31 ↗ yeah sounds good so we received um

50:36 ↗ five general emails including three

50:38 ↗ personal accounts of situations at

50:40 ↗ target one praising off-duty police's

50:43 ↗ security one account of a shopping cart

50:45 ↗ theft in progress stopped by police and

50:48 ↗ a final email describing what we heard

50:50 ↗ again tonight the attempted carjacking

50:52 ↗ without a strong security response

50:55 ↗ we

50:56 ↗ received one email about last weekend's

50:58 ↗ cleanup of a previous homeless camp

50:59 ↗ across from target and one email

51:02 ↗ generally in support of holding national

51:03 ↗ retailers accountable

51:06 ↗ in regard to

51:07 ↗ ab-8316 the business license ordinance

51:10 ↗ we received one email asking to delay

51:13 ↗ adoption given that the information was

51:15 ↗ released before a holiday weekend and

51:17 ↗ could use more engagement or revision

51:20 ↗ there were three comments certainly

51:21 ↗ opposed to the ordinance with the

51:23 ↗ following reasons

51:24 ↗ first that we should instead focus on

51:27 ↗ the root cause of criminal activity and

51:29 ↗ not punish businesses for crimes they

51:31 ↗ suffer and then also concerns about

51:33 ↗ potential abuse suffering penalties

51:35 ↗ without conviction the lack of

51:37 ↗ definition around the decision maker and

51:39 ↗ the definition of morality or nuisance

51:42 ↗ used for decision making

51:44 ↗ in regard to

51:47 ↗ ab-8307 the shopping cart abandonment

51:49 ↗ ordinance we received one email

51:51 ↗ generally in support of a shopping cart

51:54 ↗ abandonment ordinance with two

51:57 ↗ caveats or adjustments

52:00 ↗ one of which is an adjustment to the

52:02 ↗ requirement to track their efforts to

52:04 ↗ get other businesses that have carts um

52:07 ↗ left on their premise to remove the

52:09 ↗ carts or face a civil infraction and

52:12 ↗ then also a request to increase the

52:14 ↗ required return time from 28 24 hours to

52:18 ↗ 48 or more hours

52:20 ↗ and that is the summary of the emails we

52:22 ↗ received

52:25 ↗ thank you very much council president

52:28 ↗ as a reminder written comments can be

52:30 ↗ submitted at any time to the city

52:32 ↗ council at city council at issaquah.gov

52:36 ↗ the next item of business is committee

52:38 ↗ and regional reports and i will call

52:41 ↗ each council member out by name

52:42 ↗ councilmember joe

52:45 ↗ thank you madam mayor um just one

52:47 ↗ announcement the

52:48 ↗ east king county legislative coalition

52:51 ↗ is having their 2022 chamber day

52:54 ↗ both tomorrow and the 20th

52:56 ↗ uh representatives and

52:59 ↗ we'll be participating including

53:01 ↗ representative goodman

53:02 ↗ calallen

53:04 ↗ ramos

53:05 ↗ waylon

53:06 ↗ and others uh there's one senator

53:09 ↗ senator cooter will also be

53:10 ↗ participating uh if you haven't done

53:12 ↗ this before you register and then you

53:15 ↗ can sign up to have

53:16 ↗ 15 minute sessions

53:19 ↗ with the elected official

53:21 ↗ and there'll be three or four other

53:23 ↗ people in there and a host that'll kind

53:25 ↗ of monitor and

53:28 ↗ help the conversation go forward it's a

53:30 ↗ great opportunity to have one-on-one

53:31 ↗ opportunity one-on-one conversations

53:34 ↗ with our east side elected officials if

53:36 ↗ you're interested please go to the

53:37 ↗ chamber website or the bellevue chamber

53:40 ↗ to sign up that concludes my report

53:42 ↗ thank you

53:42 ↗ thank you councilmember joe

53:44 ↗ councilmember d michelle

53:46 ↗ oh thank you

53:48 ↗ uh mayor paulie um

53:50 ↗ on january 6th i attended the healthier

53:52 ↗ here governing board meeting

53:55 ↗ we reviewed and approved the 2022

53:58 ↗ financial and investment plans and

54:00 ↗ reviewed the 2022 equity work plan

54:04 ↗ this afternoon i co-chaired the connect

54:06 ↗ to community advisory group we are

54:08 ↗ preparing our members to review vendor

54:12 ↗ applications

54:13 ↗ and to select a vendor for the community

54:15 ↗ information exchange network

54:18 ↗ rfp

54:19 ↗ the review and selection will take place

54:21 ↗ in february and possibly march

54:25 ↗ and i hope everyone had a chance to see

54:27 ↗ the short video that was posted to

54:28 ↗ youtube describing the connect to

54:31 ↗ community network goals for improving

54:33 ↗ king county health

54:34 ↗ provider communications

54:37 ↗ and then finally a meeting of the

54:38 ↗ regional transit committee is scheduled

54:40 ↗ for tomorrow at 3 p.m

54:42 ↗ and that concludes my report thank you

54:45 ↗ thank you council member dear michelle

54:46 ↗ councilmember hunt

54:50 ↗ thank you madam mayor i have two quick

54:53 ↗ reports the first is that um

54:56 ↗ the raya eight salmon recovery council

54:58 ↗ met on november 18th i did report on

55:01 ↗ that meeting previously but there is an

55:03 ↗ item on our consent agenda this evening

55:06 ↗ so i wanted to do a quick refresh on

55:08 ↗ that and that is ab-8302

55:11 ↗ which is the um ryra8 which is the name

55:13 ↗ for our watershed

55:15 ↗ interlocal agreement addendum and so at

55:18 ↗ the november 18th meeting of the yura

55:20 ↗ eight salmon recovery council we did

55:21 ↗ talk about adding city of everett to the

55:24 ↗ wir8 family recovery council all the

55:26 ↗ comments were

55:27 ↗ positive about that and it will add a

55:30 ↗ city to

55:32 ↗ wire eight which will be good they can

55:34 ↗ help us meet the salmon recovery goals

55:36 ↗ in our watershed and it also will have a

55:38 ↗ a small

55:40 ↗ cost savings for the city because there

55:42 ↗ will be one more city participating in

55:43 ↗ that cost share

55:45 ↗ the next meeting of the wir8 salmon

55:47 ↗ recovery council will be

55:49 ↗ later this week on the 20th

55:53 ↗ which is thursday and then one other

55:56 ↗ one other

55:58 ↗ announcement the king conservation

56:00 ↗ district did not have a meeting since we

56:02 ↗ last met but they do have a election so

56:05 ↗ there is a election for one of the board

56:07 ↗ positions it the election opens today

56:11 ↗ and

56:12 ↗ goes until february 18th and this is an

56:15 ↗ online election

56:16 ↗ so there is and it also takes place at a

56:18 ↗ time where there aren't other elections

56:20 ↗ happening so there's not a lot of

56:21 ↗ visibility into this election

56:23 ↗ and it's important for um

56:26 ↗ for us all to

56:27 ↗ get the word out and encourage um

56:30 ↗ encourage voting in this because they do

56:31 ↗ do a lot of important work they're

56:33 ↗ funded by you the community and they

56:36 ↗ have a mission to promote sustainable

56:37 ↗ use of natural resources through

56:39 ↗ responsible stewardship throughout king

56:41 ↗ county so check out their election um

56:44 ↗ and please vote online for that it is

56:46 ↗ king

56:47 ↗ king cd.org

56:50 ↗ and um

56:51 ↗ while they are still there are efforts

56:53 ↗ to have this um

56:55 ↗ have king conservation district

56:57 ↗ elections on a regular ballot currently

56:59 ↗ being considered by the state

57:00 ↗ legislature but for now since this is at

57:03 ↗ a

57:04 ↗ unusual time for elections please

57:06 ↗ please do spread the word and vote in

57:08 ↗ this election that concludes my report

57:11 ↗ thank you council member councilmember

57:12 ↗ ray

57:16 ↗ thank you mayor paulie

57:18 ↗ one report today the east side fire and

57:20 ↗ rescue board of directors met on january

57:22 ↗ 13th at four o'clock in a virtual

57:24 ↗ meeting

57:25 ↗ deputy council president hall was also

57:26 ↗ in attendance

57:27 ↗ uh the board received an extensive

57:29 ↗ briefing from the fire chief that

57:31 ↗ included an update on the covet booster

57:33 ↗ operation

57:34 ↗ efer concluded the booster operations

57:37 ↗ after two weeks in late december in the

57:40 ↗ booster operations 856 individuals were

57:44 ↗ boosted

57:46 ↗ and

57:46 ↗ the target was vulnerable populations

57:48 ↗ including homebound individuals

57:51 ↗ adult dick adult care facilities and

57:53 ↗ low-income housing residents we also

57:56 ↗ received an um

57:57 ↗ update on omicron

58:00 ↗ numerous employees at eastside fire and

58:02 ↗ rescue have tested positive for the

58:03 ↗ variant

58:05 ↗ on average there are about 15 people

58:07 ↗ per day that are out and so this is

58:09 ↗ starting to have an impact on

58:12 ↗ overall fatigue and also just staffing

58:14 ↗ costs

58:16 ↗ on a different note eastside fire rescue

58:18 ↗ chief clark and most of the fire chiefs

58:20 ↗ and fire departments in king county were

58:22 ↗ served with a subpoena for a class

58:23 ↗ election lawsuit concerning the handling

58:26 ↗ of the religious accommodation process

58:28 ↗ from the coven 19 vaccine mandate

58:31 ↗ this issue was discussed in executive

58:33 ↗ session after the meeting we did receive

58:34 ↗ notification that the judge in the case

58:36 ↗ has ruled against the plaintiff in their

58:38 ↗ request to make this a class action suit

58:40 ↗ so more to come on that one

58:42 ↗ eastside fire and rescue staff

58:44 ↗ successfully completed a three

58:46 ↗ week recruitment process for

58:48 ↗ firefighters there are 21 recruits that

58:50 ↗ are in the process going through a

58:51 ↗ background in medical screening and

58:53 ↗ final offers will be sent out in

58:54 ↗ february

58:56 ↗ the january pfos executive committee was

58:59 ↗ cancelled

59:01 ↗ bob warren the department of ecology

59:03 ↗ reached out to eastside fire and rescue

59:05 ↗ late

59:07 ↗ last week and notified uh eastside that

59:10 ↗ they were have been directed to start

59:12 ↗ classifying fifa sites as model toxic

59:16 ↗ control act process

59:18 ↗ so this could change this could have an

59:20 ↗ impact on the

59:22 ↗ potential grant of 750 000 that east

59:25 ↗ side was

59:26 ↗ hoping to

59:27 ↗ receive from the department of ecology

59:29 ↗ in 2022

59:31 ↗ the board is expecting an update in the

59:33 ↗ first half of the year as we know more

59:34 ↗ on this

59:35 ↗ issue

59:36 ↗ and then finally eastside is exploring

59:37 ↗ hiring a dedicated resource to prepare

59:40 ↗ eastside fire rescue communities for the

59:42 ↗ ever increasing threat of wildfires

59:43 ↗ within the

59:45 ↗ service area

59:46 ↗ the item will be on

59:48 ↗ the february eastside fire and rescue

59:50 ↗ board meeting for consideration again

59:52 ↗ more to come on this one

59:53 ↗ the board took no action during the

59:55 ↗ meeting and this concludes my report

59:57 ↗ tonight

59:58 ↗ thank you councilmember ray

1:00:00 ↗ councilmember mertz

1:00:01 ↗ thank you madam mayor this is

1:00:02 ↗ councilmember martz the puget sound

1:00:05 ↗ regional council growth management

1:00:06 ↗ policy board met on thursday january 6th

1:00:10 ↗ from 10 am until 11 30.

1:00:12 ↗ no action items were presented but i was

1:00:16 ↗ elected vice chair of the fca sca caucus

1:00:18 ↗ to the psrc gmb

1:00:21 ↗ by the caucus

1:00:22 ↗ so that was very exciting and then at

1:00:25 ↗ the sound cities association public

1:00:27 ↗ issues committee

1:00:28 ↗ met wednesday january 12th from 7 to 9

1:00:31 ↗ p.m

1:00:32 ↗ the only action items were a discussion

1:00:34 ↗ of the draft 2022 sca legislative agenda

1:00:38 ↗ on january 3rd you may recall i imported

1:00:41 ↗ that draft agenda to the council for

1:00:43 ↗ comment and not having received any

1:00:44 ↗ comment i felt confident supporting the

1:00:46 ↗ agenda the fca picked voted

1:00:49 ↗ unanimously to recommend the s to the sc

1:00:52 ↗ site but it unanimously to recommend the

1:00:54 ↗ fca board of directors adopt the agenda

1:00:57 ↗ this concludes my report

1:00:59 ↗ congratulations councilmember martz

1:01:02 ↗ deputy council president hall

1:01:05 ↗ uh thank you councilmember hall here uh

1:01:06 ↗ no report this evening

1:01:08 ↗ thank you council president walsh

1:01:11 ↗ thank you this is council president's

1:01:13 ↗ council president walsh still getting

1:01:15 ↗ used to that um just a few reports first

1:01:19 ↗ your council leadership and mayor paulie

1:01:21 ↗ met on friday with members of the

1:01:23 ↗ chamber including ceo kathy mccrory

1:01:25 ↗ chair elect nathan bosler and outgoing

1:01:28 ↗ chairman wright null our meeting was to

1:01:31 ↗ discuss the city chamber relationship

1:01:33 ↗ the role of the council's chamber

1:01:35 ↗ representative and to hear the chambers

1:01:37 ↗ concerns around engagement uh given the

1:01:40 ↗ timing we also elicited feedback on

1:01:42 ↗ tonight's agenda items and received

1:01:44 ↗ specific notes including concerns about

1:01:46 ↗ the quick turnaround for these

1:01:48 ↗ ordinances

1:01:49 ↗ look for a letter from us with more

1:01:51 ↗ details coming later this week or early

1:01:54 ↗ next week

1:01:56 ↗ i have not received any or i've not

1:01:59 ↗ attended any regional board meeting

1:02:00 ↗ since our last report out

1:02:02 ↗ the chambers january meeting is an

1:02:04 ↗ internal retreat so the next meeting

1:02:06 ↗ will be attended by council member joe

1:02:08 ↗ in february

1:02:09 ↗ and the king county affordable housing

1:02:11 ↗ committee has an orientation meeting on

1:02:14 ↗ february the 4th at 11 am which i will

1:02:16 ↗ attend as the first of that set of

1:02:18 ↗ meetings and that concludes my report

1:02:21 ↗ thank you council president

1:02:23 ↗ next item on the agenda this evening is

1:02:25 ↗ the mayor's report which i will pull up

1:02:29 ↗ there will be an executive session this

1:02:31 ↗ evening to discuss potential property

1:02:32 ↗ acquisition per rcw

1:02:37 ↗ 42.30.110 paren one parent b and the

1:02:39 ↗ item is expected to last 15 minutes with

1:02:42 ↗ no action anticipated in the open

1:02:44 ↗ session

1:02:46 ↗ i want to talk a little bit about the

1:02:47 ↗ weather-related events we've had more

1:02:49 ↗ than our fair share so thank you to our

1:02:52 ↗ staff and partner agencies for their

1:02:54 ↗ effort over the past two weeks in

1:02:56 ↗ response to various weather-related

1:02:58 ↗ events including the issaquah creek

1:03:00 ↗ flooding and the newport way landslide

1:03:03 ↗ on a flood update in early january the

1:03:06 ↗ issaquah and tibbetts creek valley

1:03:08 ↗ flooded and reached flood phase two

1:03:11 ↗ out of four causing significant flooding

1:03:13 ↗ along northeast dogwood street and front

1:03:15 ↗ street north

1:03:17 ↗ it is our understanding that this

1:03:19 ↗ unusual pattern of flooding was caused

1:03:21 ↗ by large trees and woody debris that

1:03:23 ↗ collected on private property in the

1:03:25 ↗ east fork

1:03:27 ↗ in response to the flood neighbors

1:03:29 ↗ united to fill and deliver sandbags city

1:03:31 ↗ staff in the red cross provided flood

1:03:34 ↗ cleanup kits and information to about 50

1:03:36 ↗ homes and businesses along front street

1:03:38 ↗ and dogwood and staff continue to work

1:03:41 ↗ to provide information and resources to

1:03:43 ↗ the affected residents

1:03:45 ↗ the landslide update

1:03:47 ↗ newport way now northwest is now open

1:03:50 ↗ though crews are still on site to remove

1:03:52 ↗ equipment i want to thank our public

1:03:54 ↗ works team who responded to this

1:03:56 ↗ landslide

1:03:58 ↗ emergency management communications

1:04:00 ↗ public works police parks and community

1:04:03 ↗ services eastside firing rescue and king

1:04:05 ↗ county emergency management thank you

1:04:08 ↗ for your work and your outstanding

1:04:09 ↗ service to our community

1:04:12 ↗ on tonight's consent to calendar

1:04:14 ↗ on tonight's consent calendar are

1:04:16 ↗ appointments for the lodging tax

1:04:18 ↗ advisory committee i'm excited about the

1:04:20 ↗ work the committee will be able to

1:04:22 ↗ accomplish this year and grateful for

1:04:23 ↗ the members of our community who have

1:04:25 ↗ stepped up to serve in 2022

1:04:28 ↗ i also want to honor the service of the

1:04:30 ↗ members of the committee whose final

1:04:31 ↗ term was in 2021

1:04:33 ↗ thank you to jared monzer of cougar

1:04:35 ↗ mountain zoo for his year of service to

1:04:38 ↗ former council member goodman for her

1:04:40 ↗ three years as chair of the committee

1:04:42 ↗ and thank you to will parkinson of the

1:04:44 ↗ hilton garden and for his whopping 13

1:04:46 ↗ years of service on the committee

1:04:48 ↗ thank you all for your dedication to our

1:04:50 ↗ community

1:04:52 ↗ the capital finance community task force

1:04:54 ↗ last met on january 4th to discuss

1:04:57 ↗ infrastructure priorities across

1:04:58 ↗ issaquah's needs in transportation

1:05:01 ↗ parks and trails and facilities

1:05:04 ↗ the task force will continue to to

1:05:06 ↗ develop its recommendations on

1:05:07 ↗ priorities at the next meeting january

1:05:10 ↗ 26th at 5 pm

1:05:13 ↗ the city of vistagra recently completed

1:05:15 ↗ a

1:05:16 ↗ completed review of student applications

1:05:18 ↗ for the association of washington city's

1:05:21 ↗ center for quality community scholarship

1:05:24 ↗ we received many exceptional

1:05:26 ↗ applications from students but we could

1:05:28 ↗ only forward one nominee for awc's

1:05:30 ↗ consideration

1:05:32 ↗ the city selected ryan remy as our

1:05:34 ↗ recommended applicant we wish ryan

1:05:37 ↗ lacking the selection process and thank

1:05:38 ↗ him for his outstanding service to our

1:05:40 ↗ community

1:05:42 ↗ a couple of upcoming community events a

1:05:45 ↗ walk in the park celebrates martin

1:05:47 ↗ luther king jr

1:05:48 ↗ in honor of mlk day friends of lake

1:05:51 ↗ samama state park created an inspiring

1:05:53 ↗ walk along the lakeshore at lake

1:05:54 ↗ samamish state park

1:05:56 ↗ january 12th through 23rd the walk

1:05:59 ↗ begins at tibbetts beach bath house and

1:06:01 ↗ is self-guided

1:06:03 ↗ issaquah's preschool program is holding

1:06:05 ↗ open house hours this week at both

1:06:07 ↗ preschool sites one in memorial park uh

1:06:11 ↗ center and the other at the iscor

1:06:12 ↗ community center

1:06:14 ↗ reservations can be made on the city's

1:06:17 ↗ due to the increase in cases from new

1:06:19 ↗ variants city hall in-person services

1:06:22 ↗ have been temporarily suspended

1:06:24 ↗ in-person services are anticipated to

1:06:26 ↗ reopen on february 28th with a tuesday

1:06:29 ↗ thursday schedule of 9 a.m to 1 p.m

1:06:33 ↗ and that concludes the mayor's report

1:06:35 ↗ for this evening

1:06:37 ↗ on the next item in business we have a

1:06:38 ↗ couple of informational updates we'll

1:06:41 ↗ start tonight with id0778

1:06:44 ↗ which is the state route y 18 widening

1:06:47 ↗ is the quahog road to deep creek and i'd

1:06:49 ↗ like to invite transportation

1:06:50 ↗ engineering manager john mortensen to

1:06:53 ↗ introduce the washdot team that we'll be

1:06:55 ↗ presenting this evening

1:06:58 ↗ john

1:06:59 ↗ thank you

1:07:00 ↗ thank you mayor of pali greetings

1:07:02 ↗ council members

1:07:03 ↗ and mayor mayor paulie i'm john

1:07:06 ↗ mortensen transportation engineering

1:07:08 ↗ manager in the public works department

1:07:10 ↗ tonight mark allison with the washington

1:07:12 ↗ state department of transportation and

1:07:15 ↗ his team will be providing you with an

1:07:16 ↗ update on washdot's state route 18

1:07:20 ↗ widening project between issaquah hobart

1:07:22 ↗ road and deep creek the presentation

1:07:25 ↗ will last about eight minutes with seven

1:07:27 ↗ minutes for questions and answers and

1:07:30 ↗ with that mark

1:07:33 ↗ okay

1:07:34 ↗ thank you john

1:07:36 ↗ thank you for the warm welcome

1:07:38 ↗ as my name is mark allison i am

1:07:40 ↗ a department of transportation

1:07:43 ↗ a state employee i represent the state

1:07:46 ↗ and i my role is as the project engineer

1:07:50 ↗ for the sr18 widening project

1:07:53 ↗ and

1:07:55 ↗ i guess

1:07:57 ↗ i'm sure i guess my video it's not quite

1:07:59 ↗ on i'm not sure how uh but anyway yes we

1:08:02 ↗ thank you for the opportunity to be here

1:08:04 ↗ uh

1:08:05 ↗ mayor and city council

1:08:07 ↗ to share the progress that we have made

1:08:10 ↗ in the design of this project

1:08:12 ↗ and

1:08:14 ↗ joining me tonight is scott keeler and

1:08:16 ↗ gordon roy croft and scott buckland

1:08:21 ↗ to

1:08:22 ↗ help me in the presentation

1:08:24 ↗ of that

1:08:25 ↗ and so with no further ado

1:08:28 ↗ uh scott uh

1:08:30 ↗ uh keeler

1:08:31 ↗ i'll hand the microphone over to you

1:08:34 ↗ uh thank you mark i want to give a

1:08:36 ↗ special thanks to mayor paulie and the

1:08:39 ↗ council for having us

1:08:40 ↗ and uh to mayor paulie as a member of

1:08:43 ↗ the executive advisory group

1:08:46 ↗ and to john mortensen on the technical

1:08:48 ↗ advisory committee

1:08:49 ↗ so the the city is carrying weight in

1:08:52 ↗ this process and we really appreciate

1:08:54 ↗ your time in we're going to give you a

1:08:56 ↗ brief presentation and i'll start on the

1:08:58 ↗ next slide

1:08:59 ↗ going over the agenda and you'll hear

1:09:01 ↗ also from gordon roycroft on the

1:09:04 ↗ technical design issues so our last eag

1:09:07 ↗ meeting will be covered we'll talk about

1:09:09 ↗ design

1:09:10 ↗ environmental documentation

1:09:12 ↗ recent and upcoming milestones and next

1:09:15 ↗ steps and really try to reserve half of

1:09:17 ↗ our time with you for your questions and

1:09:19 ↗ our answers

1:09:22 ↗ so at our last eag meeting

1:09:25 ↗ this fall

1:09:26 ↗ there were some key messages or take

1:09:28 ↗ aways a desire to continue the project

1:09:32 ↗ progress and keep safety in mind as a

1:09:35 ↗ primary goal for the corridor

1:09:38 ↗ the target funding is 640 million

1:09:41 ↗ and the legislative delegation advisor

1:09:43 ↗ intend to pursue the full funding for

1:09:46 ↗ development of this corridor

1:09:50 ↗ next slide please

1:09:51 ↗ i'd like to hand it over to gordon

1:09:54 ↗ roycroff and he's our project team

1:09:58 ↗ design lead gordon

1:10:11 ↗ thanks scott i

1:10:13 ↗ thought i would learn

1:10:15 ↗ um

1:10:16 ↗ these are the major uh points of our

1:10:19 ↗ design we went through an alternatives

1:10:21 ↗ development and evaluation process

1:10:23 ↗ focused on really four main elements and

1:10:27 ↗ this is the design that we're carrying

1:10:29 ↗ forward

1:10:30 ↗ each in these the the four

1:10:33 ↗ rectangles that you see so if we go to

1:10:35 ↗ the next slide

1:10:39 ↗ so for the full corridor length to

1:10:40 ↗ address safety and congestion issues

1:10:44 ↗ will be providing two through lanes for

1:10:46 ↗ the entire length of the corridor other

1:10:49 ↗ things to note about this

1:10:51 ↗ this roadway cross section is the

1:10:53 ↗ concrete barrier in the middle we will

1:10:55 ↗ be filling all the gaps and have

1:10:57 ↗ continuous barrier for the full length

1:10:59 ↗ of the corridor we also then have 10

1:11:02 ↗ foot shoulders to

1:11:04 ↗ we're looking for attack and eag ongoing

1:11:07 ↗ support i've mentioned uh that includes

1:11:10 ↗ representation

1:11:12 ↗ from the city also from a number of

1:11:14 ↗ jurisdictions in the tribes

1:11:16 ↗ and looking for construction funding

1:11:19 ↗ to complete the project

1:11:22 ↗ our next steps

1:11:25 ↗ environmental documentation

1:11:26 ↗ continuing

1:11:28 ↗ ongoing conceptual design and member

1:11:30 ↗ support

1:11:31 ↗ conducting agency briefings such as

1:11:33 ↗ we're doing tonight and we do have an

1:11:36 ↗ informational flyer and

1:11:38 ↗ we can provide that for john to

1:11:40 ↗ distribute if you don't already have

1:11:42 ↗ that

1:11:43 ↗ via email

1:11:45 ↗ and that concludes our presentation on

1:11:48 ↗ the next slide we're ready to take your

1:11:49 ↗ questions

1:11:51 ↗ i'm gonna stop for a second and just

1:11:53 ↗ check with the city clerk um i got a

1:11:55 ↗ note from somebody that the live feed

1:11:57 ↗ for the meeting is not working could you

1:11:59 ↗ confirm that we are still

1:12:01 ↗ um visible to the public

1:12:04 ↗ yes mayor i'll look into that

1:12:06 ↗ thank you um

1:12:09 ↗ scott is there anyone else speaking this

1:12:11 ↗ evening

1:12:12 ↗ or do you want to go to questions

1:12:14 ↗ let's go straight to questions mayor

1:12:16 ↗ paulie

1:12:17 ↗ okay fantastic well um thank you for

1:12:19 ↗ coming tonight and thank you for the

1:12:21 ↗ presentation i think it's the fourth or

1:12:22 ↗ fifth time i've seen it now uh

1:12:25 ↗ this is an important project it is the

1:12:27 ↗ quad because of the southeast

1:12:29 ↗ transportation travel shed where a

1:12:30 ↗ significant component is the hobart road

1:12:32 ↗ in front street city and very interested

1:12:34 ↗ in this work that's being done

1:12:36 ↗ so i'm looking into the chat right now

1:12:38 ↗ if council members could indicate

1:12:40 ↗ questions i'll start moving through and

1:12:42 ↗ we will start tonight with councilman uh

1:12:44 ↗ deputy council president paul

1:12:48 ↗ thanks mark pauley deputy council

1:12:49 ↗ president hall here yeah that's

1:12:51 ↗ certainly a mouthful um

1:12:52 ↗ uh thank you very much for um coming and

1:12:55 ↗ presenting on the update for the

1:12:57 ↗ alternative design really appreciate it

1:12:59 ↗ and of course

1:13:00 ↗ thank you to everyone on the executive

1:13:02 ↗ advisory group for all your great um

1:13:05 ↗ uh work on getting us where we are now

1:13:08 ↗ um i'm just curious for the sake you

1:13:09 ↗ answered this question in an email to me

1:13:11 ↗ and i really appreciate that but i was

1:13:13 ↗ hoping for the community listening in if

1:13:14 ↗ you could describe

1:13:16 ↗ the nature of the relationship with this

1:13:18 ↗ project and the snoqualmie and my

1:13:20 ↗ tribes who are active in the

1:13:22 ↗ area

1:13:24 ↗ yes thank you council member hall

1:13:27 ↗ um so the snoqualmie and uh

1:13:30 ↗ makoshu tribes were invited uh to the

1:13:33 ↗ executive advisory group

1:13:35 ↗ and uh

1:13:37 ↗ chair d los angeles has been an active

1:13:39 ↗ ongoing member

1:13:41 ↗ uh chair uh chair larkin was not able to

1:13:45 ↗ participate in the eag today but we do

1:13:48 ↗ have both tribes

1:13:50 ↗ represented

1:13:51 ↗ on the tack and they continue their good

1:13:54 ↗ work and input

1:13:55 ↗ and we consult them of course on natural

1:13:59 ↗ resource and cultural issues

1:14:05 ↗ uh let's go to councilmember j michelle

1:14:08 ↗ thank you mayor paulie uh this is

1:14:10 ↗ councilmember d michelle uh scott you

1:14:12 ↗ may have said this and i and i missed it

1:14:15 ↗ so i just want to clarification do we

1:14:16 ↗ have

1:14:17 ↗ do we have any conceptual designs around

1:14:20 ↗ that roundabout

1:14:22 ↗ um at the escuela hobart road that you

1:14:24 ↗ could share with us i think you said

1:14:26 ↗ that maybe you did but i i didn't quite

1:14:28 ↗ catch it sorry

1:14:30 ↗ oh excellent uh

1:14:33 ↗ counselor b michelle i think i'll turn

1:14:35 ↗ that one over to to gordon roy croft to

1:14:38 ↗ maybe describe a bit further how those

1:14:40 ↗ the intent of those roundabouts and how

1:14:42 ↗ they'll work at the intersection for the

1:14:43 ↗ overall project gordon thank you thank

1:14:46 ↗ you

1:14:46 ↗ well as as i mentioned they're both a

1:14:48 ↗ safety counter measure and a device for

1:14:52 ↗ making redirection uh

1:14:54 ↗ more um more fluid and easier to

1:14:58 ↗ accomplish

1:14:59 ↗ we aren't quite there on the conceptual

1:15:02 ↗ design we're working with uh

1:15:05 ↗ washed out northwest region traffic and

1:15:07 ↗ headquarters traffic

1:15:09 ↗ to finalize those we will probably have

1:15:12 ↗ them

1:15:12 ↗ uh some some drawings of those

1:15:15 ↗ conceptual layouts in about

1:15:18 ↗ two to four weeks time

1:15:19 ↗ would be my estimate

1:15:25 ↗ thank you very much

1:15:27 ↗ thank you council member to michelle

1:15:29 ↗ council president walsh

1:15:32 ↗ thank you this is council president

1:15:34 ↗ walsh um

1:15:35 ↗ good presentation glad to get an update

1:15:38 ↗ here um i think my question is just

1:15:42 ↗ what is the next challenge what is the

1:15:44 ↗ next thing that's standing in our way

1:15:46 ↗ and is there anything we as a city or

1:15:50 ↗ residents our electeds can

1:15:52 ↗ do

1:15:53 ↗ to help smooth through this project or

1:15:56 ↗ advocate for it

1:15:59 ↗ um thank you council president waspi

1:16:04 ↗ the money of course will help but uh in

1:16:06 ↗ addition there are there are always

1:16:08 ↗ challenges in an environmental review

1:16:10 ↗ process

1:16:11 ↗ uh so we will continue to navigate that

1:16:15 ↗ and there will um there will be

1:16:17 ↗ opportunities i think for the city uh

1:16:20 ↗ you know gordon and also mark may have

1:16:23 ↗ some additional input for you

1:16:25 ↗ i i think there's a there's a unique

1:16:27 ↗ position that the cities and

1:16:29 ↗ jurisdictions have

1:16:30 ↗ that um that was uh

1:16:33 ↗ does not enjoy in terms of lobbying for

1:16:36 ↗ the funding but um any further comments

1:16:38 ↗ on that uh if you will mark first and

1:16:40 ↗ then gordon

1:16:43 ↗ uh sure yeah

1:16:44 ↗ uh in regards

1:16:47 ↗ um

1:16:49 ↗ one thing of course uh

1:16:51 ↗ that for construction that is of

1:16:54 ↗ interest certainly because currently we

1:16:56 ↗ are not funded for construction however

1:16:58 ↗ we are funded for design

1:17:00 ↗ and i feel like we are really hitting

1:17:03 ↗ our our milestones uh uh pretty good you

1:17:06 ↗ know in that regard so

1:17:08 ↗ i think that uh we'll be able to get the

1:17:11 ↗ conceptual design

1:17:12 ↗ uh

1:17:13 ↗ completed

1:17:14 ↗ and so certainly the

1:17:17 ↗ the primary challenge after that

1:17:19 ↗ is is all about construction

1:17:22 ↗ um you know we get the uh

1:17:25 ↗ the approval uh to move forward into

1:17:28 ↗ that phase

1:17:29 ↗ of the project

1:17:31 ↗ any comments on how soon that might be

1:17:33 ↗ able to happen if this were a funded

1:17:36 ↗ project mark

1:17:38 ↗ well from uh state legislature

1:17:42 ↗ there is there is interest uh we

1:17:44 ↗ certainly have received

1:17:46 ↗ a great deal of communication from the

1:17:48 ↗ legislature

1:17:50 ↗ uh over uh the last uh last year really

1:17:54 ↗ in regards to that so there there is a

1:17:56 ↗ lot of interest on the state legislative

1:18:00 ↗ house representatives senators

1:18:03 ↗ the

1:18:04 ↗ next session

1:18:06 ↗ 2022 is an even number year typically

1:18:09 ↗ the

1:18:11 ↗ transportation the new

1:18:14 ↗ the new transportation if you will is

1:18:16 ↗ not really addressed in an even year we

1:18:19 ↗ anticipate that that would be more the

1:18:20 ↗ case in 2023

1:18:23 ↗ but we

1:18:24 ↗ also anticipate that near the end of

1:18:26 ↗ this year that we will start hearing

1:18:28 ↗ some questions we'll start getting

1:18:31 ↗ additional

1:18:34 ↗ outreach from legislative members to the

1:18:36 ↗ department to

1:18:38 ↗ to

1:18:39 ↗ help in that process

1:18:40 ↗ as they uh get themselves prepared for

1:18:43 ↗ that 2023 new funding if you will new

1:18:46 ↗ funding package for

1:18:47 ↗ transportation so i think that's

1:18:50 ↗ probably the likely

1:18:52 ↗ timeline anything to add gordon before

1:18:55 ↗ we turn it back to mayor paulie for the

1:18:57 ↗ next question

1:18:58 ↗ i would just say really quickly that the

1:19:00 ↗ intent should the funding uh

1:19:04 ↗ be made available

1:19:05 ↗ would be to follow on the heels of the

1:19:08 ↗ intersection construction and the i-90

1:19:11 ↗ sr-18 inter section

1:19:14 ↗ is anticipated to be a two-year

1:19:17 ↗ construction project

1:19:19 ↗ and we would be ready to start

1:19:20 ↗ construction in spring of 2025.

1:19:28 ↗ well gentlemen i'm not seeing any

1:19:30 ↗ additional questions i will keep my eye

1:19:32 ↗ on i want to thank mark gordon scott

1:19:34 ↗ scott and john for coming today and

1:19:36 ↗ giving this update also wanted to

1:19:39 ↗ let the community know that the council

1:19:41 ↗ has made this a priority for this

1:19:44 ↗ legislative session

1:19:45 ↗ and that the city does work with the

1:19:48 ↗ transportation alliance made up of

1:19:50 ↗ southeast king county cities to promote

1:19:52 ↗ this project

1:19:54 ↗ and make sure that we do not have a gap

1:19:56 ↗ in construction between the i-90 18

1:19:59 ↗ interchange and this section of roadway

1:20:01 ↗ due to the significant safety and

1:20:02 ↗ congestion concerns that our city has

1:20:06 ↗ so no other questions gentlemen thank

1:20:07 ↗ you very much for coming tonight thank

1:20:09 ↗ you for the update we appreciate it when

1:20:11 ↗ you come by and talk about projects of

1:20:12 ↗ significance like this

1:20:15 ↗ so thank you

1:20:16 ↗ thank you for having us thank you for

1:20:18 ↗ your support

1:20:20 ↗ we have a second informational item this

1:20:23 ↗ evening

1:20:24 ↗ uh this item is a carryover from um

1:20:29 ↗ a study session that was on january 11

1:20:32 ↗ but due to some timing constraints we

1:20:34 ↗ were not able to

1:20:35 ↗ solicit

1:20:37 ↗ city council advice or guidance at that

1:20:39 ↗ time

1:20:40 ↗ this is um

1:20:43 ↗ not like typical informational update in

1:20:45 ↗ that the council will be asked tonight

1:20:47 ↗ to provide some policy direction on this

1:20:50 ↗ agenda item so that staff can begin

1:20:52 ↗ working on some policy development that

1:20:54 ↗ will come back to council as our

1:20:56 ↗ director of community recreation

1:20:58 ↗ community parks and community services

1:21:00 ↗ will let you know

1:21:01 ↗ so we are assuming that this will come

1:21:03 ↗ back to council for action on the

1:21:05 ↗ february 7th council meeting and i'd

1:21:07 ↗ like to invite parks and community

1:21:08 ↗ services director jeff watling to

1:21:10 ↗ introduce the item

1:21:13 ↗ great thanks so much for for that

1:21:15 ↗ introduction mayor an overview uh good

1:21:17 ↗ evening council jeff watling parks and

1:21:19 ↗ community services director

1:21:21 ↗ um

1:21:22 ↗ so many important uh items tonight i'm

1:21:25 ↗ going to share my screen um

1:21:29 ↗ i thought i was going to share my screen

1:21:37 ↗ pardon me

1:21:52 ↗ just going to let the council know that

1:21:54 ↗ the live stream feed is back on

1:21:59 ↗ and jeff let me know if you'd like me to

1:22:01 ↗ share

1:22:03 ↗ [Music]

1:22:06 ↗ yeah sorry for that technical glitch

1:22:08 ↗ tisha that would be that would be

1:22:10 ↗ terrific

1:22:11 ↗ i'm on my laptop and i apologize i think

1:22:14 ↗ i have too many uh

1:22:16 ↗ many things open

1:22:18 ↗ all right so with that note um

1:22:22 ↗ my goal here is to be concise and

1:22:24 ↗ thorough and in this overview thanks

1:22:26 ↗ again for for

1:22:27 ↗ the chance to talk about this important

1:22:29 ↗ item as well and that um as we've

1:22:31 ↗ reviewed our recreation scholarship

1:22:33 ↗ program uh within the recreation team uh

1:22:36 ↗ we see there's some opportunities to

1:22:41 ↗ reduce some of the limitations to the

1:22:43 ↗ program and

1:22:44 ↗ really with the ultimate goal of

1:22:47 ↗ increasing access

1:22:50 ↗ to

1:22:51 ↗ the city's recreation um programs and

1:22:54 ↗ services to those who are in financial

1:22:56 ↗ need thanks so much for that

1:22:59 ↗ you can go to the next slide

1:23:06 ↗ joining me tonight also in this overview

1:23:08 ↗ is brian bernstein our recreation

1:23:10 ↗ manager uh brian's been an important

1:23:13 ↗ part of this review process along with

1:23:15 ↗ the entire recreation team

1:23:17 ↗ um after my short presentation here

1:23:19 ↗ we're both available to

1:23:21 ↗ answer any questions you might have

1:23:23 ↗ as we go through a number of policy

1:23:26 ↗ questions that i laid out in the staff

1:23:28 ↗ report

1:23:30 ↗ as the mayor pointed out your

1:23:32 ↗ discussion your feedback tonight's

1:23:34 ↗ really going to help us identify the

1:23:36 ↗ path forward

1:23:37 ↗ uh for this program and help us to shape

1:23:40 ↗ um

1:23:41 ↗ amendments to the resolution it'll come

1:23:43 ↗ back to you ideally in february

1:23:46 ↗ next slide

1:23:50 ↗ so for some background uh the current

1:23:52 ↗ recreation program that exists right now

1:23:54 ↗ was adopted in 2014 it's been a very

1:23:58 ↗ popular program

1:24:00 ↗ but we felt important um as we have been

1:24:03 ↗ sort of working through the pandemic and

1:24:05 ↗ know as we begin coming out of the

1:24:07 ↗ pandemic it was an important time for us

1:24:08 ↗ to review

1:24:10 ↗ um and do some comparison work um last

1:24:12 ↗ year on the program

1:24:14 ↗ one of the things we determined

1:24:16 ↗ uh within the program is um it is a bit

1:24:19 ↗ limiting um

1:24:20 ↗ and how we're able to address financial

1:24:22 ↗ need in uh the balanced and equitable

1:24:25 ↗ way that we really want to

1:24:27 ↗ namely the the current program

1:24:30 ↗ requires actual funds

1:24:33 ↗ to offset any scholarship or any

1:24:35 ↗ financial assistance that's provided

1:24:40 ↗ a real good model but one that

1:24:42 ↗ doesn't necessarily mirror some of the

1:24:44 ↗ scholarship programs

1:24:48 ↗ in some of our neighboring cities

1:24:51 ↗ typically these

1:24:53 ↗ actual funds are offset and needed

1:24:55 ↗ through either donations

1:24:57 ↗ or other type contributions that don't

1:24:59 ↗ always mirror or don't always have the

1:25:02 ↗ same rhythm

1:25:03 ↗ of

1:25:04 ↗ need within the community

1:25:07 ↗ for those scholarships

1:25:09 ↗ as i mentioned a number of scholarship

1:25:12 ↗ programs around us model more what i

1:25:14 ↗ what i title in the staff report of a

1:25:17 ↗ fee assistance model

1:25:19 ↗ or a fee reduction model forgive me

1:25:22 ↗ where

1:25:24 ↗ rather than

1:25:25 ↗ relying on actual funds to offset

1:25:28 ↗ the program

1:25:30 ↗ allows staff to discount recreation fees

1:25:35 ↗ for qualifying

1:25:37 ↗ individuals or families who need

1:25:39 ↗ financial assistance

1:25:42 ↗ so

1:25:43 ↗ it's not

1:25:44 ↗ requiring an actual expense

1:25:47 ↗ and thus it's not dependent upon

1:25:51 ↗ mirrored revenues

1:25:52 ↗ to match the scholarship request it's

1:25:56 ↗ it's merely if you will

1:25:58 ↗ a way to create a sliding scale

1:26:00 ↗ of affordability by

1:26:02 ↗ discounting the programs

1:26:05 ↗ [Applause]

1:26:05 ↗ [Music]

1:26:06 ↗ for eligible families and individuals

1:26:08 ↗ like i said

1:26:10 ↗ next slide

1:26:15 ↗ so as we as we looked at this um

1:26:19 ↗ element of the of the program and and

1:26:22 ↗ this limiting factor we we propose

1:26:25 ↗ before you

1:26:27 ↗ in the staff report modifying uh that

1:26:30 ↗ actual financial assistance within the

1:26:32 ↗ program to this fee reduction model

1:26:35 ↗ as i stated a little bit earlier and as

1:26:37 ↗ i stated in the staff report

1:26:39 ↗ this will allow us

1:26:42 ↗ to to be more responsive

1:26:44 ↗ and be more consistent year-round in in

1:26:47 ↗ providing equitable access to residents

1:26:50 ↗ who are needing financial assistance

1:26:53 ↗ for those recreation programs

1:26:56 ↗ as and if we were to shift to this model

1:26:59 ↗ we still

1:27:00 ↗ see ample opportunity we have so many

1:27:03 ↗ community partners be it service clubs

1:27:05 ↗ be it

1:27:07 ↗ other community groups who who provide

1:27:09 ↗ terrific donations

1:27:12 ↗ and assist us in so many ways in

1:27:14 ↗ delivering recreation programs at all of

1:27:17 ↗ our facilities whether it's a senior

1:27:18 ↗ center the community center or the pool

1:27:21 ↗ there are certainly ways that those

1:27:23 ↗ donations could still be accepted

1:27:26 ↗ and sought for helping us deliver

1:27:29 ↗ these important programs to the

1:27:30 ↗ community they just would not be needed

1:27:32 ↗ for

1:27:33 ↗ that scholarship program

1:27:36 ↗ so with that

1:27:38 ↗ that one item that we have before you to

1:27:40 ↗ to consider

1:27:42 ↗ and if we are to consider modifying the

1:27:43 ↗ program for that we feel like there are

1:27:46 ↗ some other opportunities

1:27:49 ↗ to seek

1:27:51 ↗ some modifications to the program again

1:27:53 ↗ in the staff report i laid out

1:27:56 ↗ a little bit more of a description

1:27:59 ↗ the policy

1:28:01 ↗ questions and what i think we can do

1:28:03 ↗ tonight is sort of walk through

1:28:05 ↗ both

1:28:06 ↗ getting your feedback and support for

1:28:08 ↗ this transition to a fee reduction model

1:28:11 ↗ and then

1:28:12 ↗ take opportunity to talk about some of

1:28:14 ↗ the eligibility opportunities to look at

1:28:16 ↗ how do we want to address eligibility

1:28:19 ↗ is it just for youth or do we want to

1:28:20 ↗ open it up to all ages

1:28:22 ↗ how do we want to address the

1:28:23 ↗ eligibility

1:28:25 ↗ in regards to focusing on issue

1:28:27 ↗ residents or remain

1:28:29 ↗ in the current model

1:28:31 ↗ where for youth it's

1:28:33 ↗ available for all who reside in this

1:28:36 ↗ school district

1:28:38 ↗ some questions around

1:28:40 ↗ looking at the qualification guidelines

1:28:43 ↗ and making sure we have consistency

1:28:46 ↗ with

1:28:47 ↗ city other city financial assistance

1:28:49 ↗ programs

1:28:52 ↗ i would appreciate feedback

1:28:54 ↗ from council as well on

1:28:59 ↗ the model we have currently with our

1:29:01 ↗ scholarship program where we've

1:29:02 ↗ identified three tiers of scholarship

1:29:05 ↗ levels

1:29:07 ↗ considering keeping those levels at a

1:29:11 ↗ currently they're at 50 percent 75

1:29:13 ↗ percent and a 100 percent

1:29:18 ↗ scale

1:29:19 ↗ if we open this up to

1:29:22 ↗ all ages

1:29:23 ↗ do we want to consider transitioning

1:29:26 ↗ those three tiers

1:29:28 ↗ a little bit differently

1:29:30 ↗ to again

1:29:32 ↗ make for equitable

1:29:34 ↗ and diverse access

1:29:37 ↗ and then lastly

1:29:39 ↗ um one item we might want to consider is

1:29:42 ↗ currently the the scholarship program

1:29:45 ↗ has a

1:29:46 ↗ um so it's a max maximum annual cap not

1:29:49 ↗ only for individuals but also does so

1:29:51 ↗ for families

1:29:53 ↗ um something we we certainly felt as

1:29:55 ↗ staff and would love feedback from

1:29:56 ↗ council is

1:29:58 ↗ at times a a limitation to family

1:30:00 ↗ regardless of size

1:30:02 ↗ is not always the most equitable model

1:30:04 ↗ so do we want to consider setting a

1:30:06 ↗ maximum annual scholarship value per

1:30:09 ↗ individual

1:30:11 ↗ per individual only

1:30:15 ↗ next slide

1:30:19 ↗ we'll jump back to those policy

1:30:20 ↗ questions certainly um

1:30:24 ↗ again trying to be concise in this

1:30:25 ↗ presentation and relying a little bit on

1:30:28 ↗ the staff report

1:30:30 ↗ again administration recommends shifting

1:30:33 ↗ to a fee reduction model as part of the

1:30:35 ↗ the scholarship program

1:30:37 ↗ and then also really inviting and

1:30:40 ↗ seeking feedback from you as council on

1:30:42 ↗ these other possible modifications to

1:30:44 ↗ the to the scholarship program as the

1:30:46 ↗ mayor highlighted at the beginning

1:30:49 ↗ your feedback is going to help us really

1:30:51 ↗ finalize the specifics of the program

1:30:53 ↗ we would then prepare the resolution and

1:30:56 ↗ any other authorizing legislation

1:30:58 ↗ ideally coming back to you in february

1:31:01 ↗ for consideration and adoption

1:31:04 ↗ as mentioned briefly in our

1:31:06 ↗ conversations at the study session last

1:31:08 ↗ week

1:31:09 ↗ with the spring and summer registration

1:31:11 ↗ programs coming up

1:31:13 ↗ we would love the opportunity to if

1:31:15 ↗ we're making these reductions to to make

1:31:17 ↗ the pivot i'm here pretty soon uh be

1:31:20 ↗ able to work on implementation

1:31:22 ↗ uh through that process we've already

1:31:23 ↗ had some conversations with the park

1:31:25 ↗ board i also had a had the chance to

1:31:27 ↗ join the equity board last month and and

1:31:29 ↗ mention this program

1:31:30 ↗ and really

1:31:32 ↗ look forward to some

1:31:34 ↗ future conversation with the equity

1:31:35 ↗ board about

1:31:37 ↗ implementing this program and making

1:31:38 ↗ sure

1:31:39 ↗ um

1:31:40 ↗ we're communicating and messaging out

1:31:43 ↗ the availability of this program

1:31:45 ↗ as we move forward

1:31:48 ↗ so with that that's my staff report

1:31:51 ↗ brian and i are here

1:31:53 ↗ we can certainly stop sharing if we want

1:31:55 ↗ to have discussion council president

1:31:56 ↗ walsh i don't know if you

1:31:58 ↗ want to use this slide for the the

1:32:00 ↗ policy questions or if you have those

1:32:03 ↗ uh listed elsewhere um

1:32:06 ↗ again thank you

1:32:07 ↗ thank you director wilding i think we'll

1:32:09 ↗ um i'm not seeing any questions in the

1:32:11 ↗ chat but i'd like to give council

1:32:13 ↗ members a few minutes or a few minutes

1:32:16 ↗ uh some time to put in

1:32:18 ↗ in their uh questions first and then i

1:32:20 ↗ think we'll

1:32:22 ↗ hand it over to council president to

1:32:24 ↗ talk about how she would like to get the

1:32:26 ↗ council feedback whether she would like

1:32:28 ↗ to go through each question individually

1:32:31 ↗ or whether she would like each council

1:32:32 ↗ member to you know answer the five

1:32:35 ↗ questions so uh starting off with a

1:32:37 ↗ question from council member ray thank

1:32:40 ↗ you mayor polly chris ray um

1:32:43 ↗ i may be all slow um jeff what's the

1:32:45 ↗ opposite of a fee reduction model what

1:32:48 ↗ do i mean what do we have today i want

1:32:49 ↗ to have a word to call it by

1:32:52 ↗ boy i would say it is a um

1:32:57 ↗ direct cost model in that we need that

1:32:59 ↗ or an actual revenue model where

1:33:01 ↗ any scholarship we award we need to have

1:33:06 ↗ revenue

1:33:09 ↗ that was really the nature of my

1:33:10 ↗ question i just didn't know what to call

1:33:12 ↗ it so um

1:33:14 ↗ so

1:33:15 ↗ if we go to a fee reduction model uh or

1:33:19 ↗ in the model that we have today for

1:33:22 ↗ every fee reduction that we do there's a

1:33:25 ↗ an increase in cost to somebody else so

1:33:27 ↗ that it's net zero um so it covers all

1:33:30 ↗ of its cost internally is that is that

1:33:32 ↗ how it works

1:33:34 ↗ no not necessarily so

1:33:37 ↗ the

1:33:38 ↗ program fees are set uh for those who

1:33:41 ↗ can afford the program fee they're

1:33:42 ↗ paying the full fee

1:33:44 ↗ um

1:33:45 ↗ as a matter of i guess comparison

1:33:48 ↗ um for all of the programs currently

1:33:51 ↗ that are eligible for the scholarship

1:33:52 ↗ program we bring in about 1.2 million

1:33:54 ↗ dollars in revenue

1:33:56 ↗ um

1:33:57 ↗ we uh we award roughly 20 to 25 000 in

1:34:01 ↗ scholarships so

1:34:02 ↗ we wouldn't um

1:34:06 ↗ that within it within a fee reduction

1:34:09 ↗ model we feel pretty confident given

1:34:10 ↗ that ratio that

1:34:12 ↗ that

1:34:14 ↗ incremental reduction in fees could be

1:34:17 ↗ absorbed through

1:34:19 ↗ net costs of the program

1:34:21 ↗ i think what other cities certainly find

1:34:23 ↗ in other programs fine in a in a fee

1:34:25 ↗ reduction model

1:34:27 ↗ it also could open up additional

1:34:28 ↗ registrations that maybe we haven't seen

1:34:30 ↗ before

1:34:32 ↗ so that that

1:34:34 ↗ fee reduction cost could be absorbed a

1:34:37 ↗ variety of different ways

1:34:39 ↗ i'm feeling just like super dense today

1:34:41 ↗ but i don't understand the difference

1:34:42 ↗ between the two models i mean

1:34:44 ↗ from a funding source from uh how do i

1:34:47 ↗ do discounts um

1:34:50 ↗ so currently

1:34:52 ↗ so currently

1:34:53 ↗ the city

1:34:56 ↗ we as staff are not authorized to be

1:34:58 ↗ able to

1:35:00 ↗ discount a pr a fee

1:35:02 ↗ okay once a fee is set that fee needs to

1:35:05 ↗ be charged and so in our scholarship

1:35:08 ↗ program

1:35:09 ↗ let's say that the the program is 50

1:35:12 ↗ and someone is awarded a

1:35:14 ↗ 25 75 scholarship um boy i picked an

1:35:18 ↗ okay 100 fee so 75 percent discount they

1:35:22 ↗ paid 25 that 75 needs to come

1:35:26 ↗ from it needs to be actualized with

1:35:28 ↗ actual revenue in this fee reduction

1:35:30 ↗ model

1:35:32 ↗ it would look no different to the

1:35:33 ↗ participant but we wouldn't need to be

1:35:36 ↗ trying to manage a opposite

1:35:39 ↗ matching revenue fund we would

1:35:44 ↗ like many programs and services when a

1:35:46 ↗ scholarship was awarded or financial

1:35:48 ↗ assistance is given the fee is just

1:35:50 ↗ discounted and then

1:35:52 ↗ the the

1:35:53 ↗ that discounted fee is absorbed within

1:35:57 ↗ [Music]

1:35:58 ↗ the operation of the of the program

1:36:01 ↗ i think the council member is trying to

1:36:04 ↗ from his point of view if he's looking

1:36:06 ↗ at line items in a budget

1:36:09 ↗ is it that your

1:36:11 ↗ overall revenue line does not now

1:36:14 ↗ reflect

1:36:15 ↗ the fee reductions whereas in the past

1:36:18 ↗ your overall revenue line

1:36:20 ↗ showed that you had to cover those like

1:36:23 ↗ what's the council member lends on this

1:36:25 ↗ where would he be able to see this

1:36:29 ↗ yeah so i might even put a little finer

1:36:32 ↗ point it's just really it's a cost

1:36:33 ↗ matching and and i i

1:36:36 ↗ and i got sense like we matched the cost

1:36:38 ↗ of the program to the revenue program

1:36:40 ↗ historically and now we're saying

1:36:42 ↗ we're going to do something different

1:36:43 ↗ and i'm just trying to wrap my brain

1:36:45 ↗ around it

1:36:47 ↗ what

1:36:48 ↗ can i ask you a question councilmember

1:36:50 ↗ ray when you say matching

1:36:52 ↗ costs and revenue

1:36:54 ↗ what do you mean by that well i i'm

1:36:56 ↗ under this impression or this assumption

1:36:58 ↗ that the cost of the program is covered

1:37:02 ↗ uh

1:37:03 ↗ in some part some number maybe it's 100

1:37:05 ↗ maybe it's 75 by

1:37:07 ↗ the

1:37:08 ↗ revenue generated by the program as

1:37:10 ↗ opposed to

1:37:12 ↗ um

1:37:14 ↗ some disconnect between those numbers so

1:37:17 ↗ yes okay i just wanted to make sure not

1:37:19 ↗ all programs are fully cost recovered

1:37:22 ↗ okay um maybe that was my question

1:37:25 ↗ so mayor to to the mayor's question

1:37:28 ↗ um or or suggestion on how this would

1:37:30 ↗ look different to council or or to our

1:37:33 ↗ operation or to our overall budget is

1:37:37 ↗ whereas now there is a recreation

1:37:39 ↗ scholarship fund that has revenue in it

1:37:42 ↗ that

1:37:42 ↗ [Music]

1:37:44 ↗ again offsets our revenue line i suppose

1:37:47 ↗ in the not suppose but in the adjustment

1:37:50 ↗ to a fee reduction model

1:37:53 ↗ we would be seeing perhaps a slight

1:37:56 ↗ decrease in our revenue our program

1:37:58 ↗ revenues

1:37:59 ↗ um but at the same time with promotion

1:38:03 ↗ um and accessibility

1:38:05 ↗ um

1:38:06 ↗ we might be seeing some increased

1:38:08 ↗ participation

1:38:10 ↗ that might

1:38:11 ↗ adjust that revenue

1:38:12 ↗ back up

1:38:14 ↗ we just wouldn't have be having this we

1:38:16 ↗ wouldn't be managing this

1:38:18 ↗ um

1:38:19 ↗ subsequent scholarship fund

1:38:21 ↗ got it

1:38:22 ↗ got it so it's the scholarship fund that

1:38:24 ↗ is the the administrative overhead and

1:38:26 ↗ in the new model you wouldn't have to do

1:38:28 ↗ that and you would um and so there would

1:38:30 ↗ be a little looser connection between

1:38:32 ↗ the dollars and the grants

1:38:34 ↗ if you will and potential beneficial

1:38:37 ↗ uptick in participation potential

1:38:39 ↗ exclusively all right yeah great thanks

1:38:42 ↗ jeff thank you thanks for the questions

1:38:45 ↗ council member hall uh deputy council

1:38:47 ↗ president hall so i'm just gonna ask a

1:38:50 ↗ little thing here of the city clerk if

1:38:51 ↗ it's possible to get that title changed

1:38:54 ↗ maybe by the next meeting i'm just gonna

1:38:59 ↗ oh and that's okay you can call me

1:39:00 ↗ deputy council president hall or

1:39:01 ↗ councilmember hall it doesn't matter to

1:39:03 ↗ me um

1:39:04 ↗ uh thank you director watling for the

1:39:06 ↗ presentation quick question on um

1:39:10 ↗ so we under so council understands our

1:39:12 ↗ options in front of us so one of the

1:39:14 ↗ policy questions

1:39:16 ↗ um talks about whether or not

1:39:18 ↗ eligibility should be adjusted to me all

1:39:20 ↗ ages for the scholarship program uh and

1:39:24 ↗ let me just first say by the way i love

1:39:25 ↗ it when staff um kind of structure our

1:39:28 ↗ conversation with policy questions i

1:39:30 ↗ think it leads to better conversations

1:39:32 ↗ so thank you very much for doing this

1:39:34 ↗ um so question about age eligibility um

1:39:38 ↗ would it be possible if the council

1:39:40 ↗ wanted to to

1:39:42 ↗ um

1:39:46 ↗ expand to all ages within the city

1:39:50 ↗ boundary but

1:39:52 ↗ remain

1:39:53 ↗ for just youth in the isquas school

1:39:55 ↗ district boundary is that an option

1:39:57 ↗ that's available to us

1:40:00 ↗ yes that would be an option

1:40:02 ↗ we would want to define youth right that

1:40:05 ↗ that age determinant

1:40:07 ↗ but

1:40:09 ↗ yeah i believe that's something we could

1:40:10 ↗ implement with our new

1:40:12 ↗ um our new recreation software

1:40:15 ↗ all right thank you

1:40:18 ↗ let's go to uh council president walsh

1:40:23 ↗ thank you this is council president

1:40:24 ↗ walsh um along those lines jeff uh could

1:40:27 ↗ we

1:40:28 ↗ choose to set different support tiers

1:40:31 ↗ for youth versus adults

1:40:38 ↗ excellent question i i guess i in the

1:40:42 ↗ complexity in trying to

1:40:44 ↗ simplify

1:40:46 ↗ um or standardize a program by not

1:40:48 ↗ having to manage a recreation

1:40:50 ↗ scholarship fund i i it might be a

1:40:52 ↗ pretty big lift for us to try and manage

1:40:54 ↗ two

1:40:56 ↗ different um

1:40:58 ↗ you're suggesting sort of those

1:41:00 ↗ eligibility guidelines um

1:41:03 ↗ varying between youth and

1:41:05 ↗ adult

1:41:07 ↗ yes for example if you had the same ami

1:41:10 ↗ or whatever it was if someone was a

1:41:13 ↗ youth maybe giving them 100 support if

1:41:16 ↗ they were an adult giving them 75

1:41:18 ↗ percent support something like that

1:41:22 ↗ well i love the elegance of that it

1:41:24 ↗ might be really really hard given i

1:41:27 ↗ think a number of these um

1:41:29 ↗ like we'll find

1:41:31 ↗ scholarships awarded within families

1:41:33 ↗ within family groups that might be right

1:41:35 ↗ so the same family registration

1:41:37 ↗ an adult versus a youth um

1:41:41 ↗ brian i don't know if you have anything

1:41:43 ↗ to add but i i

1:41:46 ↗ think that could be really difficult to

1:41:47 ↗ do i believe

1:41:49 ↗ i appreciate the response on that um

1:41:52 ↗ yeah go ahead brian

1:41:54 ↗ yeah good evening council members thank

1:41:55 ↗ you for having us um yeah no i don't

1:41:57 ↗ have that with that said it is elegant

1:41:59 ↗ in this form that would i'm not sure how

1:42:01 ↗ the system could manage that piece it

1:42:03 ↗ might be a little challenging on that

1:42:07 ↗ okay um jeff could you give me a sense

1:42:10 ↗ of what

1:42:12 ↗ percentage

1:42:13 ↗ of our

1:42:15 ↗ it currently is our program only tied to

1:42:18 ↗ youth when we're doing support

1:42:22 ↗ given the limit limited revenue of our

1:42:24 ↗ scholarship program our current

1:42:26 ↗ scholarship program is for youth only

1:42:28 ↗ yeah okay and do we have a just general

1:42:32 ↗ back of the napkin sense of what

1:42:34 ↗ percentage of our overall participants

1:42:38 ↗ our youth versus an adult

1:42:43 ↗ wow in all sort of all recreation

1:42:46 ↗ programs

1:42:47 ↗ i'm trying to get a sense of like if

1:42:50 ↗ youth only represent

1:42:52 ↗ 10

1:42:53 ↗ um then adding adults is you know

1:42:56 ↗ potentially a larger impact

1:42:59 ↗ than if it's closer to 50 50 or children

1:43:02 ↗ are occurring

1:43:04 ↗ it's a great question so taking the

1:43:06 ↗ pickering barn and sort of rentals off

1:43:08 ↗ the table but just looking at programs

1:43:10 ↗ that would be eligible for this program

1:43:12 ↗ pool senior center community center i

1:43:16 ↗ bet you we're close to

1:43:18 ↗ 75 youth

1:43:20 ↗ 70 youth 30 percent adult participants

1:43:26 ↗ fantastic love the back of the napkin uh

1:43:29 ↗ calculation off of your head so thank

1:43:31 ↗ you very much

1:43:32 ↗ brian

1:43:35 ↗ yeah

1:43:35 ↗ no that percentage i think is about as

1:43:37 ↗ good as you can get um and if you took

1:43:39 ↗ the senior center off of that out of

1:43:41 ↗ that mix it would be much higher on

1:43:44 ↗ youth right

1:43:49 ↗ really great questions so

1:43:52 ↗ i'm

1:43:53 ↗ going to go to council member joe and

1:43:55 ↗ then i want to circle back with council

1:43:58 ↗ president talk about whether or not we

1:44:00 ↗ think we will be able to provide

1:44:02 ↗ meaningful feedback tonight or that this

1:44:05 ↗ may need to go to a study session but

1:44:07 ↗ before we make that call

1:44:09 ↗ uh let's get council member joe's

1:44:10 ↗ question

1:44:12 ↗ thank you uh brian and jeff you might

1:44:14 ↗ have covered this already but in the

1:44:17 ↗ 2014 legislation the maximum for

1:44:20 ↗ families with six hundred dollars and

1:44:23 ↗ per person or individual is 350

1:44:25 ↗ does the department or the

1:44:27 ↗ administration have a recommendation on

1:44:29 ↗ uh new caps if we go to a family only

1:44:32 ↗ situation

1:44:35 ↗ or an individual only actually you

1:44:38 ↗ great question councilmember joe i i

1:44:41 ↗ specific number no i i would say amongst

1:44:44 ↗ staff the the

1:44:47 ↗ i think recognizing and seeing how the

1:44:49 ↗ program has been used we would recommend

1:44:51 ↗ going to an individual only

1:44:54 ↗ maximum cap um and even keeping that

1:44:59 ↗ modeling it with other cities but

1:45:00 ↗ looking at something between 400 and 500

1:45:02 ↗ dollars

1:45:05 ↗ okay thank you

1:45:07 ↗ there's been some discussion about

1:45:09 ↗ whether or not

1:45:10 ↗ we should keep the program open to

1:45:15 ↗ youth in the entire school district or

1:45:17 ↗ just youth in the city of issaquah

1:45:20 ↗ um

1:45:21 ↗ could you comment on how teams are

1:45:23 ↗ formed

1:45:24 ↗ for youth as they go through the system

1:45:26 ↗ so my son's playing basketball right now

1:45:28 ↗ with his peers at his middle school

1:45:32 ↗ as that goes up

1:45:34 ↗ is it important to have

1:45:36 ↗ youth from the entire school district

1:45:38 ↗ because of the way that the teams get

1:45:40 ↗ funneled into middle school and high

1:45:42 ↗ school along the way

1:45:46 ↗ so

1:45:47 ↗ yes absolutely our when you look at our

1:45:49 ↗ youth programs youth basketball league

1:45:51 ↗ in particular the the benefits of of

1:45:54 ↗ serving

1:45:56 ↗ the entirety of the school district is

1:45:58 ↗ is really good i think it adds to the

1:46:00 ↗ the quality of the program

1:46:02 ↗ um

1:46:04 ↗ um

1:46:05 ↗ whatever decision we make with a

1:46:07 ↗ scholarship program it would still be a

1:46:09 ↗ goal of of of the city and our programs

1:46:13 ↗ to to

1:46:14 ↗ make those programs available for

1:46:17 ↗ um the entirety of the school district

1:46:19 ↗ um i think the question before us is how

1:46:22 ↗ do we want to look at

1:46:23 ↗ um

1:46:25 ↗ investment into a scholarship program do

1:46:27 ↗ you want that investment into a

1:46:29 ↗ scholarship program to be for isabella

1:46:30 ↗ residents or that investment for a

1:46:32 ↗ scholarship program to also be available

1:46:35 ↗ for

1:46:35 ↗ for non-issaquah residents

1:46:38 ↗ um

1:46:40 ↗ brian i know if you have anything you

1:46:41 ↗ want to add in terms of team formation

1:46:43 ↗ or or uh what that looks like yeah

1:46:46 ↗ council member joe thank you for that

1:46:47 ↗ question the um we do form teams by

1:46:50 ↗ school so they play with you know

1:46:51 ↗ usually with especially in the

1:46:53 ↗ elementary ages they play with kids that

1:46:54 ↗ they're familiar with and then they play

1:46:56 ↗ games against a variety of other schools

1:46:58 ↗ which we found people really enjoy

1:47:00 ↗ because the smaller the circle you know

1:47:02 ↗ you know you're playing teams over and

1:47:04 ↗ over again sometimes and when you have

1:47:06 ↗ the whole district you really get an

1:47:07 ↗ opportunity to play against other teams

1:47:09 ↗ and get to know the kids from other

1:47:10 ↗ schools and it really is a community

1:47:12 ↗ type of an activity the way we have it

1:47:14 ↗ set up and structured so and then as

1:47:16 ↗ they get into middle school high school

1:47:18 ↗ that sometimes carries on you know we

1:47:19 ↗ see the participation drop off a little

1:47:21 ↗ bit because as they get older their

1:47:23 ↗ interests vary and with the ability to

1:47:25 ↗ drive they have more and more

1:47:26 ↗ opportunities to do things that they

1:47:28 ↗ want to do too just independently

1:47:31 ↗ yeah it from my experience and others

1:47:34 ↗ could comment it seems that

1:47:36 ↗ um the the program is designed so that

1:47:39 ↗ my son is playing with kids from his

1:47:41 ↗ school they might not all live in the

1:47:43 ↗ city some of them could live outside the

1:47:45 ↗ district depending on you know their

1:47:47 ↗ registration or how their parents have

1:47:50 ↗ put them in the system and so at times

1:47:53 ↗ having all the kids from the same school

1:47:55 ↗ play on the same team is important even

1:47:58 ↗ though some of them might live outside

1:47:59 ↗ of the city itself and and in the

1:48:01 ↗ district so keeping

1:48:04 ↗ all district eligibility would seem to

1:48:06 ↗ make it better for the feeders to go

1:48:09 ↗ into the schools as we go into middle

1:48:10 ↗ school in high school along the way

1:48:13 ↗ thank you councilmember joe for that

1:48:16 ↗ question and comment so um i'm going to

1:48:18 ↗ interject here um this is a lot longer

1:48:21 ↗ conversation because you have asked some

1:48:23 ↗ wonderful questions more detailed i

1:48:24 ↗ think than we

1:48:26 ↗ thought you might want to do at the

1:48:28 ↗ council meeting so

1:48:30 ↗ um

1:48:30 ↗ one thought is um

1:48:33 ↗ hearing the questions leads to some um

1:48:37 ↗ impression of what may be important to

1:48:40 ↗ the council in terms of what our

1:48:42 ↗ community parks and community services

1:48:43 ↗ staff should think about

1:48:45 ↗ one being composition of teams and

1:48:47 ↗ ensuring that we are building

1:48:49 ↗ relationships even though our school

1:48:51 ↗ district spans many cities i think a

1:48:53 ↗ question uh that the council may also

1:48:56 ↗ want to consider is that we have partner

1:48:58 ↗ cities that could also fund scholarship

1:49:00 ↗ funds so just because you live in some

1:49:02 ↗ amish and

1:49:03 ↗ play on a basketball team that the city

1:49:06 ↗ of mississippi organizes you can get a

1:49:08 ↗ scholarship from the city of samamish as

1:49:10 ↗ well so i think you have not only the

1:49:12 ↗ desires that you want in terms of our

1:49:13 ↗ programming but who should be paying for

1:49:16 ↗ it as well

1:49:17 ↗ council president i'm going to turn it

1:49:19 ↗ over to you

1:49:20 ↗ my general thought is that

1:49:23 ↗ the council can have a discussion right

1:49:25 ↗ now but i am not sure that we will be

1:49:27 ↗ able to get through those questions

1:49:28 ↗ tonight so i'd like you to just maybe um

1:49:32 ↗ manage your conversation with your other

1:49:35 ↗ six council members about how you'd like

1:49:36 ↗ to proceed the options would be that we

1:49:38 ↗ go through the questions tonight and

1:49:40 ↗ something comes back at the february 7th

1:49:42 ↗ council meeting or we do push this to a

1:49:44 ↗ study session so whatever the council's

1:49:47 ↗ preferences

1:49:50 ↗ thank you i haven't heard enough to

1:49:53 ↗ you know determine on my standpoint

1:49:56 ↗ whether i think the council members are

1:49:58 ↗ interested in

1:50:00 ↗ pushing um something off or going

1:50:03 ↗ through a round robin and answering the

1:50:05 ↗ questions

1:50:06 ↗ so

1:50:07 ↗ maybe a

1:50:08 ↗ thumbs up if you're comfortable

1:50:11 ↗ answering the questions right

1:50:13 ↗ you know the policy questions and having

1:50:15 ↗ that conversation right now

1:50:17 ↗ um thumbs down if you're more interested

1:50:19 ↗ in pushing that

1:50:21 ↗ to a study session

1:50:23 ↗ yep

1:50:25 ↗ okay

1:50:27 ↗ ready to talk about it so um

1:50:30 ↗ i'm happy to go first if you would like

1:50:32 ↗ me to marry polly um council president i

1:50:35 ↗ think what i'd like to know first is

1:50:36 ↗ would you like to a question by question

1:50:38 ↗ or would you like each council member to

1:50:40 ↗ provide all of their feedback at once on

1:50:42 ↗ all the questions

1:50:44 ↗ i prefer

1:50:46 ↗ everybody go once with all of their

1:50:48 ↗ feedback and then if something prompts a

1:50:51 ↗ discussion point we can always come back

1:50:53 ↗ to it

1:50:54 ↗ thank you council president let's start

1:50:56 ↗ with you

1:50:57 ↗ okay fantastic so i would say yes i

1:50:59 ↗ support the fee reduction model

1:51:01 ↗ um though

1:51:04 ↗ not knowing how much um those costs are

1:51:07 ↗ and how the demand for that would be um

1:51:10 ↗ i would like to receive report outs as

1:51:14 ↗ funds are used so that we can monitor

1:51:16 ↗ any program changes so i think that

1:51:18 ↗ would be important to include in any

1:51:20 ↗ kind of an ordinance

1:51:23 ↗ i think all ages is a really great way

1:51:26 ↗ to support our residents

1:51:28 ↗ and i do think that i'm leaning more

1:51:31 ↗ toward

1:51:33 ↗ just having a scholarship program

1:51:35 ↗ support our residents though i would be

1:51:37 ↗ interested in having the conversation

1:51:40 ↗ and hear others thoughts and

1:51:42 ↗ i think i could support either set of

1:51:45 ↗ tiers um i think both of them would

1:51:47 ↗ provide

1:51:48 ↗ a good amount of help to residents and i

1:51:52 ↗ support setting a max per individual

1:51:54 ↗ instead of per family and also on your

1:51:57 ↗ concept of consistency in the qualifying

1:52:00 ↗ guidelines

1:52:01 ↗ i think it's great to have consistency

1:52:04 ↗ compared to other programs

1:52:06 ↗ and i'm thinking maybe i had written

1:52:09 ↗ down all of those questions but maybe

1:52:10 ↗ everybody hasn't so do we want to flash

1:52:13 ↗ those

1:52:15 ↗ we'll put that slide back up and i'm i'm

1:52:17 ↗ counting on the group of seven to

1:52:19 ↗ self-toss the baton to the next person

1:52:21 ↗ so

1:52:22 ↗ council president uh you get to pick

1:52:24 ↗ who's it and we'll get the questions

1:52:26 ↗ back up there we go

1:52:28 ↗ well i will move over to council member

1:52:30 ↗ ray since he put a comment in

1:52:33 ↗ thank you council president i appreciate

1:52:34 ↗ it um

1:52:36 ↗ so as best i understand the fee

1:52:37 ↗ reduction model i think it makes sense

1:52:39 ↗ it seems like a

1:52:41 ↗ an easier model to to support i support

1:52:43 ↗ all ages

1:52:45 ↗ for

1:52:47 ↗ the fee reduction model both adults and

1:52:49 ↗ and youth

1:52:50 ↗ i would like to limit the

1:52:54 ↗ subsidies to

1:52:56 ↗ residents of issaquah and encourage some

1:52:58 ↗ of the neighboring cities to offer

1:53:00 ↗ programs

1:53:02 ↗ to their residents though i think

1:53:04 ↗ certainly eligibility to participate in

1:53:06 ↗ these programs should be remain at the

1:53:08 ↗ larger scale of the school district um

1:53:13 ↗ i support qualifying guidelines for uh

1:53:16 ↗ obviously for the assistance program i'm

1:53:18 ↗ in different between the the the two

1:53:20 ↗ models of 50 75 100 25 50 or 75

1:53:24 ↗ [Music]

1:53:25 ↗ and i support setting the maximum at the

1:53:27 ↗ individual not at a family limit

1:53:30 ↗ and and

1:53:32 ↗ thank you council member hunt for the

1:53:34 ↗ comments so i'm going to pitch it over

1:53:35 ↗ to you

1:53:37 ↗ thank you councilmember ray

1:53:39 ↗ councilmember hunt i agreed with the

1:53:43 ↗ comments of

1:53:44 ↗ council president walsh with one

1:53:46 ↗ exception

1:53:48 ↗ which is that i think

1:53:51 ↗ for the eligibility for all ages

1:53:53 ↗ question should eligibility be for iskwa

1:53:56 ↗ residents only or remain

1:53:58 ↗ for all who reside in a squash school

1:53:59 ↗ district i think that

1:54:01 ↗ it is

1:54:03 ↗ i would

1:54:04 ↗ prefer to see the program expand to

1:54:06 ↗ those of all ages but keep the

1:54:08 ↗ eligibility

1:54:09 ↗ for the youth as it is currently which

1:54:12 ↗ currently we do offer scholarships for

1:54:14 ↗ residents

1:54:16 ↗ that are youth under 18 i believe who

1:54:18 ↗ reside in the school district

1:54:20 ↗ and the

1:54:22 ↗ reason is because i do think that these

1:54:25 ↗ members of our com these are members of

1:54:27 ↗ our community they come into our

1:54:29 ↗ community actually um uh even if they

1:54:32 ↗ don't live within issaquah

1:54:34 ↗ if they're in this issaquah school

1:54:35 ↗ district they're probably connected to

1:54:37 ↗ their peers within the schools and if

1:54:39 ↗ they need support to be in a program

1:54:41 ↗ um for recreation i think this is one of

1:54:44 ↗ those things where we're talking about a

1:54:46 ↗ program overall that i believe is

1:54:48 ↗ less than thirty thousand

1:54:49 ↗ um a year currently so this is

1:54:52 ↗ in in the big scope of our budget this

1:54:54 ↗ is a small amount of money and for an

1:54:56 ↗ individual it could make all the

1:54:58 ↗ difference um when there was flooding

1:55:00 ↗ recently i did sandbagging for um for a

1:55:03 ↗ local non-profit and there was a student

1:55:05 ↗ there from one of the high schools who

1:55:07 ↗ lived outside of a sequoia came to

1:55:08 ↗ issaquah to help with the sandbagging

1:55:10 ↗ effort so they are members of our

1:55:12 ↗ community absolutely if they um and i

1:55:14 ↗ think if they have peers in this squad

1:55:16 ↗ school i think those connections are

1:55:18 ↗ super important the team building that

1:55:19 ↗ councilmember joe said as well so that

1:55:21 ↗ one i do feel strongly on and would like

1:55:23 ↗ to make sure that we continue to support

1:55:26 ↗ um the needs of

1:55:29 ↗ ischool school district students that

1:55:30 ↗ are participating in those programs that

1:55:32 ↗ that are currently eligible i would like

1:55:34 ↗ to expand it too

1:55:37 ↗ for other ages i think it makes sense to

1:55:39 ↗ expand it to residents of issaquah at

1:55:41 ↗ other ages but for youth i would like to

1:55:44 ↗ i would like to make sure that we can

1:55:46 ↗ support

1:55:47 ↗ the squad school district residents

1:55:49 ↗ and then um

1:55:51 ↗ i think on all the other programs i as i

1:55:54 ↗ said before i agree with bee reduction

1:55:55 ↗ and all the other things um that council

1:55:57 ↗ member council president walsh you too

1:56:00 ↗ thank you

1:56:05 ↗ the class of the baton

1:56:07 ↗ yeah today i think i'm up next this is

1:56:09 ↗ deputy council president hall um

1:56:11 ↗ i am uh pretty much in line um with what

1:56:15 ↗ most people are saying um

1:56:17 ↗ transition to a recreation or to a fee

1:56:20 ↗ reduction model yes i i do

1:56:22 ↗ believe moving to a needs-based approach

1:56:24 ↗ is good operating practice and very

1:56:25 ↗ mindful of equity and i appreciate you

1:56:27 ↗ centering all these questions and equity

1:56:29 ↗ for us too i think that that is um

1:56:32 ↗ a good example for i mean all

1:56:34 ↗ presentations that come to us

1:56:36 ↗ um

1:56:37 ↗ i am in line with council president hunt

1:56:40 ↗ by expanding to

1:56:42 ↗ all age eligibility within the city of

1:56:45 ↗ issaquah but allowing ischool school

1:56:46 ↗ district youth to remain eligible in

1:56:48 ↗ this program i think that

1:56:50 ↗ encouraging our neighboring cities to

1:56:53 ↗ build programs to help their youth um

1:56:56 ↗ and

1:56:57 ↗ anyone of all ages to participate in

1:56:59 ↗ recreation programs including

1:57:00 ↗ immigration programs in other cities

1:57:02 ↗ like issaquah is great but until

1:57:04 ↗ things like that are stood up i i would

1:57:06 ↗ like to see

1:57:07 ↗ isd youth

1:57:09 ↗ um

1:57:10 ↗ do you support consistency with

1:57:11 ↗ qualifying guideline yeah i think

1:57:13 ↗ qualification consistency is a good

1:57:15 ↗ operating practice and i appreciate you

1:57:17 ↗ um

1:57:18 ↗ highlighting that for us

1:57:20 ↗ um i would like to see

1:57:23 ↗ the current 50

1:57:25 ↗ 75 100

1:57:26 ↗ [Music]

1:57:27 ↗ tiered scholarships

1:57:29 ↗ um simply because i had asked the

1:57:30 ↗ question of director watling um last

1:57:33 ↗ week um via email before we

1:57:37 ↗ ended up postponing this agenda item and

1:57:39 ↗ about you know trying to get a sense of

1:57:42 ↗ how many of people who are applying in

1:57:44 ↗ general are meeting and getting that 100

1:57:48 ↗ full scholarship

1:57:50 ↗ not counting the application fee

1:57:52 ↗ and i had heard that 80

1:57:54 ↗ of applicants from 2019 to 2021 and uh

1:57:57 ↗ feel free to correct me if i'm wrong

1:57:58 ↗ director rodney but i heard that 80 of

1:58:01 ↗ those applicants qualified for a uh full

1:58:03 ↗ scholarship so i think that shows that

1:58:05 ↗ you know there's definitely a need um to

1:58:08 ↗ me

1:58:09 ↗ that

1:58:09 ↗ looks a lot like

1:58:11 ↗ applicants who are either going to get

1:58:13 ↗ the full amount or not able to

1:58:16 ↗ participate in any way just because of

1:58:19 ↗ it being a barrier

1:58:20 ↗ um her entry so if possible i would like

1:58:23 ↗ to move uh keep the same scholarship

1:58:25 ↗ levels but i'd understand if um the rest

1:58:29 ↗ of the council feels the other way and

1:58:30 ↗ then yes i would support removing the

1:58:32 ↗ family cap again being mindful of equity

1:58:34 ↗ thank you

1:58:38 ↗ toss the baton

1:58:40 ↗ all right and council member d michelle

1:58:42 ↗ you're up next yeah thank you

1:58:44 ↗ yes uh so i'll go through uh quickly do

1:58:47 ↗ you support the transition to free

1:58:49 ↗ reduction model yes i do

1:58:52 ↗ support eligibility for all ages yes

1:58:56 ↗ and i think it's

1:58:58 ↗ really important to think about our

1:58:59 ↗ senior citizens

1:59:01 ↗ and how valuable um

1:59:03 ↗ being

1:59:04 ↗ in groups and

1:59:06 ↗ doing exercise is to uh senior citizens

1:59:09 ↗ for their

1:59:10 ↗ health and

1:59:12 ↗ longevity

1:59:13 ↗ should eligibility be for issaquah

1:59:15 ↗ residents only or the issaquah school

1:59:17 ↗ district uh i very much favor especially

1:59:20 ↗ for young people being in the being

1:59:24 ↗ available in the instaquad school

1:59:26 ↗ district just a reminder that

1:59:28 ↗ the issaquah youth

1:59:30 ↗ advisory board

1:59:32 ↗ consists of young people from all over

1:59:34 ↗ the district uh we have

1:59:36 ↗ had

1:59:37 ↗ many

1:59:38 ↗ um really good outcomes from including

1:59:41 ↗ the entire issaquah school district and

1:59:43 ↗ i had raised issues as well about our

1:59:45 ↗ reciprocal agreement with the school

1:59:47 ↗ district

1:59:48 ↗ i think there's just a history of our

1:59:50 ↗ being open to

1:59:52 ↗ um

1:59:53 ↗ to the issaquah school district

1:59:57 ↗ i would really like to see uh young

2:00:00 ↗ people um

2:00:01 ↗ [Music]

2:00:02 ↗ be eligible for the scholarships from

2:00:04 ↗ throughout the district but to me it

2:00:06 ↗ does raise an equity issue

2:00:08 ↗ and so um

2:00:10 ↗ possibly this is a question that could

2:00:12 ↗ go back or

2:00:14 ↗ be brought back to the equity board for

2:00:16 ↗ a little bit more in-depth review

2:00:19 ↗ um

2:00:20 ↗ yes support consistency and qualifying

2:00:23 ↗ guidelines

2:00:25 ↗ like councilmember hall i support uh

2:00:28 ↗ keeping the 50

2:00:29 ↗ 75 and 100 percent

2:00:32 ↗ uh tiers uh i know that for

2:00:35 ↗ families who are really struggling

2:00:37 ↗ uh even a ten 10 fee a 25 fee can be an

2:00:42 ↗ insurmountable uh barrier and so i'd

2:00:45 ↗ like to see that 100

2:00:46 ↗ left there for those students who

2:00:49 ↗ really cannot uh take money away from

2:00:52 ↗ other items in their families for

2:00:54 ↗ something like sports

2:00:56 ↗ and then finally um

2:00:58 ↗ i would like to see a transition to

2:01:00 ↗ individual only instead of a per family

2:01:03 ↗ cap

2:01:04 ↗ so thank you so much for bringing these

2:01:06 ↗ questions to us i think this is great

2:01:08 ↗ thank you

2:01:14 ↗ you guys are terrible at throwing the

2:01:15 ↗ baton

2:01:17 ↗ remarks

2:01:19 ↗ thank you

2:01:20 ↗ madam mayor this is councilmember martz

2:01:23 ↗ yes to transition to sea reduction

2:01:26 ↗ yes to eligible to all ages

2:01:30 ↗ in terms of

2:01:33 ↗ in the city

2:01:35 ↗ everybody

2:01:37 ↗ for use

2:01:39 ↗ in the school district

2:01:42 ↗ for seniors i'm sorry

2:01:44 ↗ i'm just going to be complicated on this

2:01:46 ↗ one issaquah school district minus

2:01:49 ↗ bellevue minus sammamish

2:01:51 ↗ because bellevue and some amish

2:01:53 ↗ potentially have their own opportunities

2:01:56 ↗ and it's not tied to youth leagues i

2:01:59 ↗ think as much

2:02:02 ↗ sport consistency yes um we've had other

2:02:06 ↗ programs

2:02:07 ↗ and i forgive me uh the hours well is

2:02:11 ↗ somewhat late but um the last couple

2:02:13 ↗ years we had a couple of different

2:02:14 ↗ programs that had a really

2:02:16 ↗ straightforward king county

2:02:18 ↗ uh qualifying thing that made it very

2:02:21 ↗ easy for our staff but it was kind of

2:02:23 ↗ binary it was either you were you

2:02:25 ↗ weren't

2:02:27 ↗ so

2:02:29 ↗ yes to tears i thought it was

2:02:32 ↗ interesting

2:02:33 ↗ i think this council member hall who

2:02:35 ↗ talked about people tended to be either

2:02:37 ↗ in or out so um i'm for tears but if we

2:02:41 ↗ used that really light

2:02:43 ↗ easy way to do with the county then i

2:02:45 ↗ would just say 100 percent for people

2:02:47 ↗ who qualify

2:02:48 ↗ by the accounting criteria and then uh

2:02:50 ↗ individual

2:02:52 ↗ uh maximums not family maximums thank

2:02:54 ↗ you and i will hand

2:02:57 ↗ the baton to council member joe

2:03:00 ↗ thank you

2:03:01 ↗ thank you councilmember martz first

2:03:03 ↗ thank you to the administration and the

2:03:06 ↗ parks department for bringing this

2:03:08 ↗ forward and having

2:03:10 ↗ a good set of recommendations and a good

2:03:12 ↗ set of questions for us to consider

2:03:13 ↗ tonight

2:03:14 ↗ i do support transition to the fee

2:03:16 ↗ reduction model

2:03:18 ↗ eligibility for all ages is something

2:03:20 ↗ that i

2:03:21 ↗ also support and

2:03:24 ↗ all ages including seniors and uh

2:03:27 ↗ eligibility should be for

2:03:29 ↗ uh

2:03:30 ↗ all people that reside in this class

2:03:31 ↗ school district and that's partially for

2:03:33 ↗ the reasons that council member hunt

2:03:35 ↗ outlined and councilmember d michelle

2:03:37 ↗ outlined but also because

2:03:40 ↗ our neediest members of the community uh

2:03:43 ↗ also

2:03:44 ↗ go to the food bank and the food bank

2:03:46 ↗ eligibility is for the entire school

2:03:48 ↗ district and so i can imagine a scenario

2:03:51 ↗ where mom is there at the food bank and

2:03:54 ↗ uh her son

2:03:55 ↗ sees the community center over there and

2:03:57 ↗ wants to participate in the activities

2:04:00 ↗ and so we want to make sure that we're

2:04:01 ↗ consistent in terms of the programs and

2:04:03 ↗ the eligibility for both the food bank

2:04:07 ↗ and our recreational programs

2:04:10 ↗ i support the qualifying guidelines that

2:04:12 ↗ are in the application that have been

2:04:14 ↗ spelled out

2:04:15 ↗ i'm in favor of a 50 75 100

2:04:19 ↗ scholarship tiers

2:04:21 ↗ for the program i think the maximum

2:04:23 ↗ should be set uh for an individual and

2:04:26 ↗ uh the family limit should be done away

2:04:28 ↗ with uh the individual max that i'd

2:04:31 ↗ recommend would conform with

2:04:33 ↗ the recommendation from uh the parks

2:04:35 ↗ department of

2:04:36 ↗ 500. thank you that concludes my

2:04:39 ↗ comments

2:04:40 ↗ thank you councilmember joe director

2:04:42 ↗ watling um

2:04:43 ↗ we've gone through all seven sets of

2:04:45 ↗ comments is there anything that you need

2:04:48 ↗ uh additional comment on

2:04:51 ↗ no other to say thank you i know this

2:04:53 ↗ was unlike a a typical regular council

2:04:55 ↗ meeting item appreciate the discussion

2:04:57 ↗ and the feedback um all very very

2:05:00 ↗ helpful um what i heard was

2:05:02 ↗ overwhelming support for

2:05:06 ↗ the fee reduction model

2:05:08 ↗ all ages yes

2:05:11 ↗ a majority

2:05:13 ↗ most of you supported keeping the

2:05:16 ↗ geographic eligibility to israel school

2:05:18 ↗ district in some way shape or form so

2:05:20 ↗ we'll finalize that

2:05:22 ↗ um also looked like there was interest

2:05:24 ↗ more for those of you that had a feeling

2:05:27 ↗ about which tier are keeping with the

2:05:29 ↗ current tier of 50 75 on 100

2:05:33 ↗ heard those

2:05:34 ↗ heard those comments loudly so

2:05:37 ↗ really appreciate the time and the

2:05:39 ↗ feedback

2:05:40 ↗ we'll work with administration on

2:05:43 ↗ amending a resolution and work with

2:05:45 ↗ finance and with a city attorney on any

2:05:48 ↗ other

2:05:49 ↗ legislation we need for you to approve

2:05:52 ↗ to move forward on this and bring it

2:05:54 ↗ back to you in february

2:05:55 ↗ thank you for watching thank you for

2:05:57 ↗ that um i have one additional question

2:05:59 ↗ for council

2:06:00 ↗ i just want to make sure we have some

2:06:02 ↗ clarity here

2:06:03 ↗ i don't think the intention of parks and

2:06:05 ↗ community services was ever to make it a

2:06:08 ↗ have and have not on athletic activities

2:06:11 ↗ that are happening at the community

2:06:13 ↗ center my question is and you can do

2:06:15 ↗ with the thumbs up or thumbs down

2:06:17 ↗ is the question is should issaquah

2:06:19 ↗ taxpayers be paying those subsidies for

2:06:22 ↗ residents who reside outside the city

2:06:24 ↗ or should the city be approaching the

2:06:27 ↗ city of bellevue in the city of samamish

2:06:29 ↗ as mentioned by council member marks to

2:06:31 ↗ find out if those programs exist in

2:06:34 ↗ those cities that is paid by those

2:06:36 ↗ taxpayers for residents that reside

2:06:38 ↗ there

2:06:39 ↗ is there an interest on the community

2:06:40 ↗ thumbs up or thumbs down and having the

2:06:43 ↗ parks and community services approach

2:06:44 ↗ cities about scholarship programs

2:06:53 ↗ see

2:06:54 ↗ four and a couple of maybes so i think

2:06:56 ↗ director watling that um

2:06:59 ↗ that that may be something that you

2:07:00 ↗ ought to be looking into and council

2:07:02 ↗ member joe has comment

2:07:04 ↗ i just had a thought that uh

2:07:07 ↗ sometimes the the programs from smavish

2:07:10 ↗ and bellevue are sending us or the

2:07:12 ↗ parents are choosing to bring their kids

2:07:14 ↗ to our programs because of the

2:07:15 ↗ excellence that's there both the quality

2:07:18 ↗ of coaching the quality of the parks and

2:07:19 ↗ rec department and and i don't have

2:07:22 ↗ anything

2:07:23 ↗ um

2:07:24 ↗ you know empirical to back this up but

2:07:27 ↗ oftentimes sometimes the best players

2:07:30 ↗ are also coming to issaquah to compete

2:07:32 ↗ against our kids because our kids are

2:07:34 ↗ really you know top tier so i think that

2:07:37 ↗ from a recruiting point of view from a

2:07:40 ↗ competitive point of view from a

2:07:41 ↗ competition point of view in our

2:07:43 ↗ programs

2:07:44 ↗ having the students from bellevue and

2:07:46 ↗ samantha's is not necessarily a bad

2:07:47 ↗ thing because it's sometimes the cream

2:07:50 ↗ of the crop and the best competitors

2:07:52 ↗ that are out there but just to comment

2:07:54 ↗ from my personal experience and that's a

2:07:55 ↗ great comment councilmember joe because

2:07:57 ↗ i think there's some sort of

2:07:59 ↗ misunderstanding here that our attention

2:08:01 ↗ was our intention was to change who

2:08:03 ↗ participated in our programs and that

2:08:05 ↗ was not our intention for example if we

2:08:08 ↗ manage the scholarship program ourselves

2:08:10 ↗ uh and city of bellevue and the city of

2:08:13 ↗ sammamish had scholarship programs we

2:08:15 ↗ would just send them a bill they

2:08:16 ↗ wouldn't be people wouldn't have to go

2:08:18 ↗ to the city of bellevue and apply for a

2:08:20 ↗ scholarship there it's just whether or

2:08:22 ↗ not those cities would contribute to our

2:08:24 ↗ scholarship program to serve their

2:08:26 ↗ residents so it would be seamless it

2:08:28 ↗ wouldn't be an extra step and it was

2:08:30 ↗ never meant to reduce the kinds of

2:08:32 ↗ people who would participate in our

2:08:33 ↗ programs i agree with you the programs

2:08:35 ↗ are fantastic

2:08:39 ↗ okay

2:08:40 ↗ i would just ask that we check with the

2:08:43 ↗ city attorney in terms of the

2:08:45 ↗ enforceability of our collection ability

2:08:48 ↗ with other cities if they don't pay what

2:08:50 ↗ is our recourse and if it

2:08:52 ↗ ends up being a

2:08:54 ↗ conflict or a point of friction between

2:08:56 ↗ the cities

2:08:57 ↗ the hundred dollar fee or sixty dollar

2:08:59 ↗ fee might not be

2:09:00 ↗ worth the deterioration in the

2:09:02 ↗ relationship but i'll leave that to the

2:09:04 ↗ administration to examine the law you

2:09:06 ↗ know absolutely

2:09:07 ↗ absolutely we didn't do that we have a

2:09:09 ↗ great working relationship with both the

2:09:11 ↗ city of bellevue and spanish

2:09:12 ↗ administrator bob cowitz

2:09:14 ↗ yeah thank you man members of the

2:09:16 ↗ council good evening uh why don't we

2:09:18 ↗ take that as a to-do uh we'll come back

2:09:21 ↗ with the with the main points uh in

2:09:23 ↗ february that we just got this evening

2:09:25 ↗ and uh at an appropriate time we'll come

2:09:27 ↗ back after we've had a chance to talk

2:09:29 ↗ with our colleagues in the bellevue

2:09:31 ↗ spanish

2:09:33 ↗ thank you

2:09:35 ↗ the next item on our agenda this evening

2:09:38 ↗ and thank you very much director

2:09:39 ↗ waddling

2:09:40 ↗ for facilitating that is our consent

2:09:42 ↗ calendar the consent calendar was

2:09:44 ↗ distributed to council in advance and if

2:09:46 ↗ authorized the items on the consent

2:09:47 ↗ calendar will be considered together and

2:09:50 ↗ approved by one motion

2:09:51 ↗ have the payables and payroll been

2:09:53 ↗ reviewed

2:09:55 ↗ they have

2:09:57 ↗ they have

2:09:58 ↗ thank you does any council member desire

2:10:00 ↗ to remove any item from the consent

2:10:02 ↗ calendar and consider it under regular

2:10:04 ↗ business and if you would like to do

2:10:06 ↗ that please indicate it in the chat

2:10:12 ↗ i am not seeing anything

2:10:14 ↗ uh

2:10:15 ↗ would somebody care to make a motion

2:10:18 ↗ oh council president walsh

2:10:21 ↗ thank you this is council president

2:10:23 ↗ walsh i move adoption of the consent

2:10:25 ↗ calendar as listed in our agenda

2:10:28 ↗ thank you uh deputy council president

2:10:30 ↗ hall i'll second that motion

2:10:33 ↗ it has been moved and seconded to

2:10:35 ↗ approve the consent calendar and i'll

2:10:36 ↗ turn it over to the clerk for a to be

2:10:39 ↗ called the roll vote

2:10:42 ↗ starting with council member joe

2:10:45 ↗ hi

2:10:47 ↗ council member marks

2:10:49 ↗ aye

2:10:50 ↗ council member ray aye

2:10:53 ↗ council president walsh

2:10:55 ↗ i council member d michelle

2:10:58 ↗ aye

2:10:59 ↗ deputy council president hall

2:11:01 ↗ aye

2:11:02 ↗ council member hunt

2:11:04 ↗ aye

2:11:05 ↗ that's seven eyes zero nays

2:11:08 ↗ thank you city clerk that passes

2:11:10 ↗ unanimously

2:11:12 ↗ uh that's a great suggestion

2:11:14 ↗ councilmember d michelle is asking if we

2:11:16 ↗ can take a five-minute break which would

2:11:18 ↗ bring us back at around 9 20 and

2:11:22 ↗ wave if everybody's in into that before

2:11:24 ↗ we start a regular business item okay

2:11:26 ↗ we're done we will be taking a

2:11:27 ↗ five-minute break till 9 20. thank you

2:11:29 ↗ all

2:16:27 ↗ the first time this item is coming

2:16:28 ↗ before council and i'd like to invite

2:16:30 ↗ economic development manager jen davis

2:16:32 ↗ hayes to present this item

2:16:35 ↗ thank you madam mayor and good evening

2:16:37 ↗ council members thank you for taking the

2:16:39 ↗ time to hear our about this topic

2:16:41 ↗ tonight

2:16:42 ↗ i'm going to share my screen

2:16:45 ↗ um

2:16:49 ↗ and so you heard uh several public

2:16:51 ↗ comments about this topic this morning i

2:16:53 ↗ guess this evening and i just wanted to

2:16:55 ↗ let you know that we actually have a

2:16:58 ↗ meeting scheduled with target

2:17:00 ↗ and their regional and um the regional

2:17:03 ↗ loss prevention their regional

2:17:05 ↗ government affairs and their district

2:17:08 ↗ management staff on on thursday so we

2:17:10 ↗ will definitely be passing on

2:17:12 ↗ information as we have been in regular

2:17:13 ↗ conversations with them so i want you to

2:17:15 ↗ know that the information we heard

2:17:18 ↗ will be acted upon and we continue to do

2:17:21 ↗ efforts here

2:17:22 ↗ so

2:17:23 ↗ um the purpose tonight is

2:17:26 ↗ again we've seen an increase of

2:17:27 ↗ abandoned shopping carts over the past

2:17:29 ↗ year it's not just target although

2:17:31 ↗ target is very visible with the

2:17:33 ↗ the bright red carts and also the number

2:17:35 ↗ of carts

2:17:36 ↗ um and unfortunately these cars have

2:17:39 ↗ been on private property on public

2:17:41 ↗ property blocking access at times in

2:17:43 ↗ ditches and other critical areas

2:17:46 ↗ and most of all it's an eyesore clutter

2:17:48 ↗ in our community and a nuisance so

2:17:50 ↗ currently we don't have the ability to

2:17:52 ↗ enforce a business to collect this so

2:17:54 ↗ tonight we're asking you to provide that

2:17:56 ↗ ability to us to consider adoption of

2:17:57 ↗ this ordinance to allow

2:18:00 ↗ the city to take action for abandoned

2:18:01 ↗ shopping carts

2:18:03 ↗ so in the past the city has historically

2:18:06 ↗ collected and returned abandoned

2:18:07 ↗ shopping carts that was in response to a

2:18:10 ↗ complaint or as part of the daily duties

2:18:12 ↗ of some of our staff this was a few here

2:18:14 ↗ and there but again starting last summer

2:18:16 ↗ we began to see a large increase of

2:18:18 ↗ carts

2:18:20 ↗ staff from four different departments

2:18:21 ↗ became more involved in various ways and

2:18:23 ↗ documented over a thousand abandoned

2:18:26 ↗ carts from 13 different stores

2:18:30 ↗ initially there was thoughts about there

2:18:31 ↗ were more people using them to go to the

2:18:33 ↗ bus or to uh the

2:18:35 ↗ or the in-house you were using them

2:18:38 ↗ however it was clear that that did not

2:18:39 ↗ explain the increase as we reached out

2:18:41 ↗ to stores to request the retrieval of

2:18:43 ↗ the carts it became clear that

2:18:45 ↗ shoplifting was the main reason for this

2:18:47 ↗ increase

2:18:48 ↗ so

2:18:49 ↗ we

2:18:50 ↗ it should

2:18:52 ↗ uh

2:18:52 ↗ we didn't immediately decide to create

2:18:54 ↗ an ordinance to require businesses to

2:18:57 ↗ take action we you know again uh city

2:19:00 ↗ staff have picked up and returned carts

2:19:02 ↗ um our parks and community services have

2:19:04 ↗ documented over 400 carts that they've

2:19:06 ↗ returned our code enforcement staff our

2:19:08 ↗ public works work staff it's been a real

2:19:10 ↗ challenge for them it's a physical

2:19:12 ↗ effort and they need a truck to haul all

2:19:14 ↗ these parts

2:19:15 ↗ as far as my involvement in economic

2:19:17 ↗ development i

2:19:19 ↗ in the last few months of the year

2:19:20 ↗ started

2:19:21 ↗ reaching out

2:19:22 ↗ the businesses and documenting carts

2:19:24 ↗ that were seen at the transit center

2:19:27 ↗ across the street

2:19:28 ↗ so we again communicated with the

2:19:30 ↗ businesses we talked about the need to

2:19:33 ↗ address this

2:19:34 ↗ ongoing

2:19:35 ↗ and um and then we have been working

2:19:38 ↗ with store management and that's a lot

2:19:39 ↗ of questions about the addressing the

2:19:42 ↗ shoplifting so

2:19:43 ↗ the police chief mayor and district

2:19:46 ↗ staff from two different

2:19:49 ↗ retailers we have met directly with i

2:19:51 ↗ have contacted several other stores to

2:19:53 ↗ discuss shoplifting and

2:19:55 ↗ tools and resources to address that

2:19:58 ↗ last week on tuesday we held our first

2:20:01 ↗ retail loss prevention uh meeting with

2:20:03 ↗ the islam police department

2:20:06 ↗ we had 27 non-city attendees to hear

2:20:09 ↗ from and ask questions to interim chief

2:20:11 ↗ swan

2:20:12 ↗ so she we are very involved in this

2:20:15 ↗ effort the

2:20:17 ↗ she is aware of the regional efforts to

2:20:19 ↗ address this issue and one of the

2:20:21 ↗ participants shared several bills that

2:20:23 ↗ are in the state legislature to address

2:20:25 ↗ some of the concerns about being able to

2:20:27 ↗ sell things at quite easily on some of

2:20:30 ↗ these online platforms but we knew we

2:20:32 ↗ had to do something different after all

2:20:34 ↗ this work it just wasn't working

2:20:36 ↗ so basically we are proposing that

2:20:39 ↗ businesses are responsible for the

2:20:41 ↗ containment and retrieval of their carts

2:20:43 ↗ so first off according to the washington

2:20:46 ↗ state rcw

2:20:47 ↗ noted here businesses are required to

2:20:50 ↗ post signage and label carts

2:20:52 ↗ that's currently not happening for most

2:20:54 ↗ of our businesses

2:20:56 ↗ we uh the second part of the proposal

2:20:59 ↗ and i will note that i had the incorrect

2:21:01 ↗ information on a previous slide

2:21:03 ↗ of this slide that was submitted earlier

2:21:05 ↗ so the submission of a containment and a

2:21:09 ↗ retrieval plan will be required

2:21:11 ↗ and fees could be charged after six

2:21:13 ↗ incidents within three months so if code

2:21:16 ↗ enforcement

2:21:17 ↗ has responded to six different times

2:21:19 ↗ that

2:21:20 ↗ two three carts are located

2:21:24 ↗ at a transit center at a street

2:21:26 ↗ off the property within three months

2:21:28 ↗ then we'll work with that business owner

2:21:30 ↗ to

2:21:31 ↗ get that plan in place and figure out

2:21:33 ↗ how they are going to address that

2:21:36 ↗ um and then of course this uh not only

2:21:39 ↗ uh removes the owners from the staff but

2:21:41 ↗ we are still part of that solution we're

2:21:42 ↗ not gonna be the lead but we're not

2:21:44 ↗ gonna be fully responsible

2:21:46 ↗ so

2:21:47 ↗ the reason that i'm involved in economic

2:21:49 ↗ development in this is that we know it's

2:21:51 ↗ important to work with our businesses we

2:21:53 ↗ have shared

2:21:54 ↗ info about a requested input from our

2:21:56 ↗ vision partners so for those of you who

2:21:58 ↗ do not are not aware of our vision

2:22:00 ↗ partners that includes our chamber our

2:22:02 ↗ downtown issaquah association our um

2:22:05 ↗ billman village merchants association

2:22:07 ↗ issaquah highlands council and visit

2:22:09 ↗ issaquah we i also sent an email for

2:22:13 ↗ input to our shopping center managers

2:22:15 ↗ and uh spoke to our wash to the

2:22:17 ↗ washington retail association and the

2:22:20 ↗ grocers association staff about this

2:22:22 ↗ and we put it in our business e-news

2:22:25 ↗ that goes out to 3 700 subscribers

2:22:29 ↗ um you've heard about some of the

2:22:31 ↗ concerns tonight and we we took to heart

2:22:34 ↗ what the chamber has expressed to us in

2:22:36 ↗ the past and again kathy mccory the

2:22:38 ↗ president mentioned

2:22:40 ↗ several conversations we had we didn't

2:22:42 ↗ want to burden the businesses already

2:22:44 ↗ impacted by covid in employee shortages

2:22:46 ↗ so our initial draft had that everybody

2:22:48 ↗ had to submit a plan right away we

2:22:50 ↗ decided that was not necessary let's

2:22:52 ↗ deal with those that are are

2:22:54 ↗ not following what they need to be doing

2:22:56 ↗ so we eliminated that requirement and

2:22:58 ↗ only required if there's an issue and

2:23:00 ↗ again we will work with a business to

2:23:02 ↗ help find a solution that works if

2:23:04 ↗ they're willing to be a willing partner

2:23:06 ↗ we also exempted small businesses with

2:23:08 ↗ 15 or less carts

2:23:10 ↗ and i'm aware of two small grocers in

2:23:13 ↗ our city that would be then exempt from

2:23:14 ↗ that

2:23:16 ↗ so options uh moving forward so

2:23:18 ↗ obviously we can um there's a spectrum

2:23:21 ↗ of things we could do so we could create

2:23:23 ↗ stricter regulations we could uh

2:23:25 ↗ immediately

2:23:26 ↗ charge fees for any shopping carts that

2:23:29 ↗ are found off the property

2:23:31 ↗ there was some talk about requiring some

2:23:33 ↗ businesses to install costly systems to

2:23:35 ↗ contain the top the carts we didn't go

2:23:38 ↗ there again we wanted to first allow the

2:23:40 ↗ businesses to address this in the way

2:23:41 ↗ that makes most sense for them

2:23:44 ↗ the other option is to do nothing we can

2:23:46 ↗ continue to manage abandoned carts um

2:23:48 ↗ again that's a lot of um staff city

2:23:50 ↗ staff hours um and for things that are

2:23:53 ↗ not in their normal daily routine tasks

2:23:56 ↗ so of course there are lots of options

2:23:58 ↗ in between

2:24:02 ↗ so our recommendation is that we want uh

2:24:05 ↗ we're asking you to adopt this abandoned

2:24:08 ↗ shop and cart ordinance

2:24:10 ↗ we you know the real the real um

2:24:13 ↗ goal is to make sure that there are no

2:24:15 ↗ more shopping carts abandoned in our

2:24:16 ↗ community we know that there's never

2:24:18 ↗ going to be completely zero but

2:24:20 ↗ we can't continue at this pace

2:24:22 ↗ we know that businesses need to address

2:24:24 ↗ the core issues the shoplifting the lack

2:24:26 ↗ of containment so it's not a put an

2:24:28 ↗ undue

2:24:29 ↗ impact on the public and city staff and

2:24:32 ↗ again we will be partners with them to

2:24:33 ↗ help figure out how to make that work

2:24:36 ↗ best

2:24:37 ↗ so timing and next steps so if adopted

2:24:40 ↗ we will do outreach to businesses and

2:24:42 ↗ the broader community you have heard

2:24:44 ↗ some public comment about requirements

2:24:46 ↗ for private property owners um if there

2:24:48 ↗ are a collection of carts on their

2:24:51 ↗ property that they need to contact the

2:24:53 ↗ the

2:24:54 ↗ businesses that are the carts are from

2:24:57 ↗ and that's really um our approach is

2:24:59 ↗ encouraging people to reach out to the

2:25:01 ↗ businesses to get these carts so we will

2:25:03 ↗ do outreach to businesses to

2:25:05 ↗ better to fully more fully describe the

2:25:08 ↗ the new ordinance we will work with our

2:25:11 ↗ chamber we work with all of our other

2:25:12 ↗ business associate associations to do

2:25:14 ↗ that work we're also looking at creating

2:25:17 ↗ an internal process to reduce the impact

2:25:19 ↗ on staff so

2:25:21 ↗ we're looking at the potential of hiring

2:25:23 ↗ a vendor to actually go and pick up

2:25:25 ↗ those carts for those first few times

2:25:27 ↗ that where we the city will

2:25:30 ↗ pick them up before we get to that

2:25:32 ↗ containment plan and retrieval plan and

2:25:35 ↗ potential fees

2:25:36 ↗ so that is something that we're going to

2:25:38 ↗ be looking at as well and most

2:25:40 ↗ importantly we're going to continue

2:25:41 ↗ working with the businesses to address

2:25:42 ↗ the shoplifting so we had that meeting

2:25:45 ↗ as i mentioned

2:25:47 ↗ last week we're going to be working with

2:25:48 ↗ the chamber next month to host that

2:25:51 ↗ meeting and then in the next month we'll

2:25:53 ↗ continue to have those meetings and so

2:25:56 ↗ one of the

2:25:58 ↗ one of the

2:26:00 ↗ commenters mentioned about an organized

2:26:02 ↗ retail crime

2:26:04 ↗ committee that's basically what this is

2:26:06 ↗ it's really an opportunity

2:26:08 ↗ for loss prevention staff to share

2:26:10 ↗ information with each other and hear um

2:26:13 ↗ and share information with the police

2:26:14 ↗ department but also hear from our police

2:26:16 ↗ department what's happening and on that

2:26:18 ↗ first meeting we had there were some

2:26:20 ↗ questions about you know

2:26:22 ↗ why haven't you responded why have you

2:26:24 ↗ done this and when it was explained that

2:26:26 ↗ we actually did and we have arrested

2:26:29 ↗ some individuals that were

2:26:30 ↗ responsible for some things

2:26:32 ↗ it was it was um greatly appreciated so

2:26:35 ↗ we will continue those lines of

2:26:37 ↗ communication to ensure that businesses

2:26:39 ↗ can um get what they need um one of the

2:26:42 ↗ things that uh our interim chief paula

2:26:45 ↗ schwan mentioned to the businesses was

2:26:48 ↗ some resources such as off-hours

2:26:50 ↗ trespassing agreements with the city and

2:26:52 ↗ also septed

2:26:54 ↗ surveys so crime prevention through

2:26:55 ↗ environmental design so again we're

2:26:57 ↗ looking at this multi-faceted

2:27:00 ↗ but again looking to the businesses to

2:27:02 ↗ address the shoplifting that's happening

2:27:03 ↗ in their stores

2:27:05 ↗ so again the recommendation is to adopt

2:27:07 ↗ the abandoned shopping cart ordinance

2:27:09 ↗ and i'll take questions now

2:27:11 ↗ thank you jen so council members there's

2:27:14 ↗ been a lot of information presented on

2:27:16 ↗ this tonight a lot of public comment

2:27:18 ↗ looking for questions um before we move

2:27:20 ↗ into discussing

2:27:22 ↗ emotion

2:27:28 ↗ let's start with council member ray

2:27:30 ↗ thank you mayor paulie

2:27:32 ↗ just curious jen what other cities are

2:27:35 ↗ doing about this i can't believe that

2:27:37 ↗ we're the only city that

2:27:39 ↗ is having a shopping cart pandemic along

2:27:41 ↗ with that pandemic

2:27:43 ↗ you yes thank you for asking that so

2:27:45 ↗ when we created this ordinance

2:27:47 ↗ we were lucky enough to look at um

2:27:49 ↗ multiple other cities that already have

2:27:52 ↗ this in place so i live in renton and i

2:27:54 ↗ know for a fact that they require

2:27:56 ↗ you know locking wheels and other things

2:27:58 ↗ in in some of these stores so we looked

2:28:01 ↗ at multiple uh ordinances and actually

2:28:04 ↗ uh our staff went and did research and

2:28:06 ↗ asking how these things are implemented

2:28:08 ↗ um what works what doesn't work because

2:28:10 ↗ again

2:28:11 ↗ words on a paper may not be truly what's

2:28:13 ↗ happening there so this is not something

2:28:15 ↗ that's unique um this is something that

2:28:18 ↗ cities have had in place for many years

2:28:24 ↗ so just follow up what did we hear back

2:28:26 ↗ from them was there anything specific

2:28:27 ↗ that they they indicated worked really

2:28:29 ↗ well things that they tried that um

2:28:32 ↗ were less effective

2:28:34 ↗ yeah so some of the things were um the

2:28:37 ↗ more detailed an owner she got the

2:28:39 ↗ harder it was to implement all that so

2:28:41 ↗ you would spend so as a code enforcement

2:28:42 ↗ officer or somebody else that was implem

2:28:45 ↗ enforcing this

2:28:46 ↗ it became too onerous um and so they

2:28:49 ↗ talked about we talked about the um how

2:28:52 ↗ quickly to

2:28:54 ↗ retrieve the carts looking at the fees

2:28:57 ↗ looking at how

2:28:59 ↗ um

2:29:00 ↗ again the containment plan retrieval

2:29:03 ↗ plan are in most of those ordinances but

2:29:06 ↗ we included that again as a if things

2:29:09 ↗ don't work out well because we wanted to

2:29:11 ↗ initially allow the opportunity for

2:29:13 ↗ businesses to uh find a solution first

2:29:15 ↗ so that was something that

2:29:17 ↗ administratively for us felt also like a

2:29:20 ↗ good decision um so that our staff

2:29:22 ↗ wasn't reviewing plans i mean again the

2:29:23 ↗ idea is not to have a plan in hand the

2:29:25 ↗ idea is not to have carts abandoned in

2:29:27 ↗ our um public and private property so

2:29:30 ↗ where they shouldn't be

2:29:32 ↗ all right thank you

2:29:33 ↗ great question council member ray just

2:29:36 ↗ as a follow-up note

2:29:38 ↗ i have asked target to provide um

2:29:42 ↗ cart counts every two weeks over the

2:29:44 ↗ next several months so that they can

2:29:46 ↗ demonstrate that the steps that they're

2:29:47 ↗ taking are actually being effective i

2:29:49 ↗ know you like data so i thought you

2:29:51 ↗ might get a kick out of that

2:29:53 ↗ uh so council member marth you're up

2:29:55 ↗ next

2:29:56 ↗ thank you madam mayor so uh am i right

2:29:59 ↗ that section

2:30:01 ↗ 8.30.110 subsection one basically

2:30:04 ↗ criminalizes the taking of shopping

2:30:06 ↗ carts

2:30:07 ↗ from private property

2:30:10 ↗ i think we're going to get another

2:30:12 ↗ element of the of the bill

2:30:14 ↗ we'll throw that over to rachel for a

2:30:16 ↗ response council councilmember

2:30:21 ↗ i believe

2:30:22 ↗ i was i'm trying to scroll back to that

2:30:25 ↗ provision of the ordinance but i believe

2:30:28 ↗ if you did you say oh 60

2:30:31 ↗ 8.30.110

2:30:34 ↗ subsection one

2:30:36 ↗ front page two one gets on the bottom of

2:30:37 ↗ page 284 of the packet

2:30:40 ↗ yes yes that comes straight from the rcw

2:30:44 ↗ oh okay so that's not us that's just

2:30:46 ↗ quoting

2:30:48 ↗ no that's okay oh i see it's just

2:30:50 ↗ reflecting it's it's just reiterating

2:30:52 ↗ the rcw exactly yeah okay all right

2:30:55 ↗ um and the second question is

2:30:58 ↗ um

2:30:59 ↗ i guess i'm assuming um we've

2:31:01 ↗ coordinated with the chief on this

2:31:03 ↗ tischuan

2:31:05 ↗ uh on the language of this bill

2:31:08 ↗ yes yes

2:31:09 ↗ right we we've had several departments

2:31:11 ↗ public works our code enforcement

2:31:13 ↗ economic development um police

2:31:16 ↗ looking at this to make sure that it

2:31:17 ↗ makes sense

2:31:19 ↗ all right

2:31:20 ↗ thank you thank you thank you for that

2:31:21 ↗ councilmember martz

2:31:23 ↗ i am not seeing any additional questions

2:31:26 ↗ oh yes sam councilmember joe

2:31:29 ↗ oh thank you um

2:31:31 ↗ i had a drafting question for our city

2:31:33 ↗ attorney um the same section that uh

2:31:37 ↗ council member march is looking at

2:31:40 ↗ 8.30.110

2:31:42 ↗ could you help me with the language in

2:31:44 ↗ section 3

2:31:46 ↗ the last sentence there

2:31:49 ↗ the owner of such property

2:31:51 ↗ may claim an exemption from this code

2:31:53 ↗ violation if they can allow they can

2:31:56 ↗ show that they attempted to

2:31:58 ↗ contact the owner of the carts

2:32:00 ↗ the carts weekly until the carts are

2:32:02 ↗ removed to ask that the carts be re

2:32:06 ↗ retrieved

2:32:08 ↗ i didn't quite understand

2:32:10 ↗ uh

2:32:12 ↗ that could you explain that uh language

2:32:14 ↗ there

2:32:15 ↗ it means that if the

2:32:18 ↗ the property owner has these carts that

2:32:20 ↗ have been

2:32:21 ↗ just dumped on their property

2:32:23 ↗ essentially and they're doing everything

2:32:25 ↗ that they can to try to

2:32:27 ↗ get the property owner to come take them

2:32:29 ↗ back because

2:32:30 ↗ another provision of this ordinance

2:32:32 ↗ would require all of the property owners

2:32:34 ↗ to put tags on their carts so that folks

2:32:37 ↗ know where they belong to and who to

2:32:39 ↗ call when they find them and if they're

2:32:41 ↗ just being ignored it seemed unfair to

2:32:45 ↗ penalize them

2:32:47 ↗ um when

2:32:49 ↗ the the cards were abandoned on their

2:32:51 ↗ property and the

2:32:52 ↗ actual owner of the carts is not taking

2:32:55 ↗ responsibility and they can show us that

2:32:57 ↗ they have been trying to contact them

2:32:59 ↗ okay and and

2:33:01 ↗ if i'm a property owner

2:33:03 ↗ and the city comes and asks me have i

2:33:05 ↗ been trying i can just say yes

2:33:08 ↗ it doesn't look like there's any

2:33:10 ↗ requirement of proof or

2:33:12 ↗ any type of well it says

2:33:15 ↗ that would be needed or

2:33:17 ↗ well if they can show

2:33:19 ↗ so they would have to show

2:33:21 ↗ that they tried calling so that would be

2:33:24 ↗ they would have so if they have a

2:33:25 ↗ landline if they have a landline we

2:33:27 ↗ would expect them to pull their phone

2:33:29 ↗ records for us to look at

2:33:31 ↗ yeah

2:33:33 ↗ okay now

2:33:35 ↗ what is the

2:33:36 ↗ what is the infraction amount

2:33:39 ↗ i believe that the general infraction

2:33:42 ↗ penalty

2:33:44 ↗ is

2:33:46 ↗ i think it's 250 under the

2:33:49 ↗ it's a municipal code okay for any

2:33:53 ↗ unlisted

2:33:56 ↗ offenses

2:33:57 ↗ which

2:34:01 ↗ this would be

2:34:02 ↗ okay

2:34:04 ↗ yes so my concern is that we're asking

2:34:08 ↗ people that have had carts dumped on

2:34:09 ↗ their property

2:34:11 ↗ to

2:34:12 ↗ call the retailer to come get it but if

2:34:15 ↗ the retailer doesn't come get it

2:34:17 ↗ it's

2:34:18 ↗ my onus and my burden to show that i

2:34:21 ↗ tried to reach out to them

2:34:23 ↗ to get them to pick up the carts but if

2:34:25 ↗ i've got a landline

2:34:27 ↗ i've got to pull my phone records

2:34:30 ↗ to show that i tried to call the

2:34:32 ↗ retailer

2:34:33 ↗ now if i'm a retailer and i'm doing

2:34:36 ↗ business

2:34:37 ↗ i'm sorry council member joe

2:34:40 ↗ when we have a motion

2:34:42 ↗ i think that's great comment that you're

2:34:44 ↗ making um if you have additional

2:34:46 ↗ questions let's do that first

2:34:50 ↗ my next question is

2:34:52 ↗ um can you

2:34:54 ↗ city attorney outline

2:34:56 ↗ why the

2:34:58 ↗ city police department has not been

2:35:02 ↗ going forward with prosecutions you

2:35:04 ↗ were a former prosecutor i was a former

2:35:06 ↗ prosecutor we understand that

2:35:09 ↗ the costs of

2:35:11 ↗ handling those cases through our

2:35:12 ↗ municipal courts

2:35:13 ↗ um some of the general public may not

2:35:15 ↗ understand

2:35:16 ↗ why the police if they have someone in

2:35:19 ↗ custody

2:35:20 ↗ might not still process the case put it

2:35:23 ↗ through our courts if

2:35:24 ↗ the retailer is not

2:35:26 ↗ willing to participate

2:35:29 ↗ they would need they would need specific

2:35:32 ↗ evidence from the retailer generally in

2:35:34 ↗ order to be able to prove the crime

2:35:37 ↗ first of all for instance they'd have to

2:35:40 ↗ you know when i was a prosecutor we

2:35:42 ↗ would show the videos of the thefts in

2:35:45 ↗ progress from the store

2:35:46 ↗ security uh footage and that was that's

2:35:49 ↗ become so standard that i'm not sure

2:35:52 ↗ that

2:35:52 ↗ as a municipal prosecutor without that

2:35:55 ↗ you'd have much luck

2:35:56 ↗ uh prevailing in a charge

2:35:59 ↗ and so

2:36:00 ↗ you know that everything gets

2:36:02 ↗ prioritized and i guess um

2:36:04 ↗ [Music]

2:36:06 ↗ the

2:36:08 ↗ this is really more of an issue of the

2:36:10 ↗ of of target uh it's not excuse me of

2:36:13 ↗ targeted targets don't mean to call out

2:36:14 ↗ anyone specifically but if businesses

2:36:17 ↗ not calling the police

2:36:19 ↗ um then

2:36:20 ↗ then the prosecutor not filing in this

2:36:22 ↗ particular case though because

2:36:24 ↗ here i think the issue is that

2:36:27 ↗ the police aren't getting enough

2:36:29 ↗ information

2:36:31 ↗ to actually proceed with

2:36:34 ↗ filings to the prosecutor's office

2:36:37 ↗ and rachel let's bring in our chief here

2:36:39 ↗ as well our interim chief

2:36:42 ↗ chief swan

2:36:44 ↗ thank you mayor and council members

2:36:47 ↗ um the question to that is more accurate

2:36:49 ↗ yes we have

2:36:51 ↗ contacted certain businesses

2:36:53 ↗ we've even

2:36:54 ↗ returned with the suspect and carts of

2:36:57 ↗ items

2:36:58 ↗ and

2:36:59 ↗ the businesses are not willing to

2:37:01 ↗ prosecute

2:37:02 ↗ if you don't essentially in layman's

2:37:04 ↗ terms you don't have a victim you don't

2:37:06 ↗ have a crime so if the businesses are

2:37:08 ↗ unwilling to be victims it's not that

2:37:10 ↗ law enforcement is not responding we

2:37:13 ↗ have officers stopping even at the

2:37:14 ↗ transit center when people are getting

2:37:15 ↗ off buses saying turn around go back we

2:37:18 ↗ don't want you here

2:37:20 ↗ and we've even returned

2:37:22 ↗ lots of merchandise and individuals

2:37:25 ↗ we've had citizens

2:37:27 ↗ return merchandising and items

2:37:30 ↗ and if the stores are unwilling then

2:37:33 ↗ we are anywhere unable to do our jobs

2:37:37 ↗ thank you i think it's important that

2:37:38 ↗ the public understand you have to have a

2:37:40 ↗ witness to put on the stand to validate

2:37:42 ↗ the video that might be there and to be

2:37:44 ↗ a witness

2:37:46 ↗ when

2:37:47 ↗ just my last question is when a store

2:37:49 ↗ such as

2:37:51 ↗ target or ross puts in security people

2:37:54 ↗ has it been your experience

2:37:56 ↗ that

2:37:57 ↗ you now have a witness that is more

2:37:59 ↗ willing to go to court and is paid by

2:38:00 ↗ the store to go to court so prosecutions

2:38:03 ↗ are more readily available to the city

2:38:05 ↗ yes

2:38:06 ↗ okay every every readiness calendar

2:38:09 ↗ would be full of security guards sitting

2:38:11 ↗ there ready to

2:38:13 ↗ talk

2:38:14 ↗ great

2:38:15 ↗ based on that really quick

2:38:17 ↗ go ahead chief

2:38:20 ↗ so that's not always the case um there

2:38:22 ↗ are certain stores currently who are

2:38:24 ↗ hiring off-duty police officers that

2:38:26 ↗ we've had in the stores

2:38:28 ↗ and they have refused to prosecute even

2:38:30 ↗ though the thefts are occurring in front

2:38:32 ↗ of officers who are still refusing they

2:38:34 ↗ are telling us we are just a deterrent

2:38:37 ↗ so

2:38:38 ↗ that is yeah that is not always the case

2:38:40 ↗ even though they're there they have

2:38:42 ↗ certain guidelines from their corporate

2:38:43 ↗ that will not allow them or only one

2:38:46 ↗ person or manager that is allowed to be

2:38:49 ↗ the person that presses charges on

2:38:51 ↗ behalf of the business which then

2:38:54 ↗ makes it difficult for

2:38:56 ↗ again still those prosecutions so

2:38:59 ↗ um it's not as effective as one would

2:39:01 ↗ think but yes in theory that's what it

2:39:03 ↗ would be for

2:39:04 ↗ okay thanks for that background i

2:39:06 ↗ appreciate that the citizens may not

2:39:08 ↗ know all those details but i think it's

2:39:10 ↗ important that they understand that

2:39:12 ↗ councilmember joe do you have any

2:39:13 ↗ additional questions

2:39:16 ↗ you were the last

2:39:18 ↗ thank you you were the last one on the

2:39:20 ↗ list i'll give it a second otherwise is

2:39:23 ↗ somebody prepared to make a motion

2:39:28 ↗ council president walsh

2:39:32 ↗ thank you

2:39:33 ↗ i moved to adopt ordinance number

2:39:37 ↗ seven amending the square municipal code

2:39:40 ↗ by adding a new chapter

2:39:42 ↗ 8.30

2:39:43 ↗ shopping cart regulation

2:39:46 ↗ council member hall oh deputy council

2:39:49 ↗ president

2:39:50 ↗ second

2:39:52 ↗ just everybody knows this title is

2:39:54 ↗ written down wrong in the chat which is

2:39:56 ↗ causing me grief tonight um

2:39:59 ↗ i see councilmember martz has a motion

2:40:01 ↗ to amend councilmember marks do you mind

2:40:02 ↗ if i go back to council member joe so

2:40:05 ↗ that he can um provide further comment

2:40:08 ↗ on

2:40:09 ↗ um

2:40:10 ↗ a section of the code that was bothering

2:40:12 ↗ him with respect to property owners who

2:40:14 ↗ have things dumped on their property

2:40:18 ↗ but my amendment is related to that

2:40:20 ↗ language

2:40:21 ↗ okay

2:40:22 ↗ um councilmember joe if you wanted to

2:40:23 ↗ provide some additional comments then

2:40:25 ↗ i'm going to go to council member martz

2:40:26 ↗ for an amendment i will defer to

2:40:28 ↗ councilmember martz on the amendments

2:40:29 ↗ and then we'll discuss thank you that

2:40:31 ↗ sounds great councilman mertz

2:40:34 ↗ thank you madam mayor i moved to amend

2:40:36 ↗ ab-8037 striking the sentence the owner

2:40:38 ↗ or owner's agent must retrieve any loss

2:40:40 ↗ stolen or abandoned shopping cart within

2:40:42 ↗ 24 hours of the city providing such

2:40:45 ↗ notice from section 8.30.07

2:40:48 ↗ and striking section

2:40:50 ↗ 8.30.110 subsection three

2:40:56 ↗ councilmember ray

2:40:59 ↗ oh second

2:41:01 ↗ thank you council member martz do you

2:41:03 ↗ want to address your motion

2:41:05 ↗ certainly um i'm all for uh punishing

2:41:09 ↗ people who steal carts and attempting

2:41:11 ↗ to uh

2:41:13 ↗ retrieve carts

2:41:15 ↗ but i'm uncomfortable potentially

2:41:16 ↗ criminalizing the response by law

2:41:18 ↗ abiding private property owners

2:41:20 ↗ private property owners won't want carts

2:41:22 ↗ on their land they'll do the right

2:41:24 ↗ things

2:41:25 ↗ let's treat them with respect they'll

2:41:27 ↗ get the carts home

2:41:28 ↗ thanks

2:41:29 ↗ thank you councilmember martz um rachel

2:41:31 ↗ is this the appropriate sentence to

2:41:34 ↗ strike to relieve the property owners

2:41:36 ↗ who have things dumped on it or it kind

2:41:38 ↗ of looks like it might be

2:41:40 ↗ the owner of the cart section

2:41:48 ↗ and i'm assuming rachel that you can see

2:41:50 ↗ it in the chat

2:41:53 ↗ but you're unmute

2:41:55 ↗ thanks i can see it in the chat yeah i'm

2:41:57 ↗ just looking it looks like

2:42:00 ↗ this

2:42:03 ↗ well just just to be clear the

2:42:06 ↗ the portion

2:42:08 ↗ of

2:42:09 ↗ uh

2:42:10 ↗ section 8.30.1103

2:42:15 ↗ that section

2:42:16 ↗ that is not a that does not have

2:42:18 ↗ criminal penalties associated with it i

2:42:20 ↗ just want to make sure that

2:42:22 ↗ we're clear with what section you want

2:42:25 ↗ removed here because that

2:42:28 ↗ particular provision

2:42:32 ↗ would be a civil infraction

2:42:35 ↗ the

2:42:36 ↗ criminal

2:42:37 ↗ provisions one and two in that um in

2:42:41 ↗ that section

2:42:43 ↗ they

2:42:44 ↗ are for folks who

2:42:46 ↗ who remove a shopping cart you know and

2:42:49 ↗ once again this will be a shopping cart

2:42:50 ↗ that once the businesses have

2:42:53 ↗ have posted signs as they're supposed to

2:42:55 ↗ they'll be you know conspicuous signs

2:42:57 ↗ all over that say you're not allowed to

2:42:59 ↗ just take these carts and so

2:43:01 ↗ those would be people who take the carts

2:43:04 ↗ with

2:43:04 ↗ out

2:43:06 ↗ permission

2:43:07 ↗ or

2:43:08 ↗ who possess

2:43:10 ↗ those

2:43:12 ↗ those as stolen property and that would

2:43:14 ↗ require

2:43:15 ↗ them to meet the meet the elements of

2:43:18 ↗ possession of stolen property under the

2:43:20 ↗ rcw so rachel i'm going to ask the

2:43:22 ↗ question a different way and

2:43:24 ↗ councilmembers correct me if i'm wrong i

2:43:26 ↗ believe what i'm hearing from um

2:43:28 ↗ councilmember joanne martz is that for

2:43:31 ↗ the property owner not the owner of the

2:43:33 ↗ cards but for a property that has carts

2:43:35 ↗ dumped on it

2:43:37 ↗ they want to make sure that that

2:43:39 ↗ property owner the owner who's got has

2:43:42 ↗ received someone else's dump cards is

2:43:45 ↗ not held liable for that and if you and

2:43:49 ↗ if you struck section three that would

2:43:51 ↗ occur i just want to make it clear that

2:43:54 ↗ there were never criminal penalties

2:43:55 ↗ associated with that and that that's

2:43:57 ↗ fair um council member martz with your

2:43:59 ↗ amendment

2:44:00 ↗ it says that the owner or owner's agent

2:44:02 ↗ must retrieve any lost stolen or

2:44:04 ↗ abandoned carts within 24 hours if that

2:44:06 ↗ applies to the retailer

2:44:09 ↗ did you want that removed or did you

2:44:11 ↗ want that left in

2:44:15 ↗ um sorry give me just one second to go

2:44:17 ↗ back to that

2:44:19 ↗ sure um

2:44:22 ↗ sorry

2:44:24 ↗ um

2:44:27 ↗ i think you and councilmember joe are

2:44:28 ↗ saying that you just don't want this

2:44:30 ↗ third-party dump site to have to be

2:44:33 ↗ on the hook

2:44:35 ↗ um

2:44:36 ↗ yes i thought that that sentence applied

2:44:41 ↗ to

2:44:44 ↗ the

2:44:46 ↗ the

2:44:47 ↗ location where the cart winds up

2:44:50 ↗ so yeah

2:44:52 ↗ 0.70 applies to the that is an onus on

2:44:56 ↗ the owner of the shopping cart they

2:44:59 ↗ saying that they have to come retrieve

2:45:00 ↗ it once they've been notified

2:45:03 ↗ ah

2:45:05 ↗ okay

2:45:06 ↗ would you like to modify your motion to

2:45:08 ↗ strike section

2:45:10 ↗ 8.30.110 parenthesis

2:45:12 ↗ yes i would like to simplify it to me to

2:45:14 ↗ merely

2:45:16 ↗ uh

2:45:17 ↗ that's just yeah amend 8037 striking

2:45:22 ↗ section

2:45:24 ↗ 8.30.110 section three subsequently

2:45:32 ↗ is i'm going to go to chief schwann for

2:45:34 ↗ a comment

2:45:41 ↗ as she tries to unmute i think

2:45:44 ↗ i'm just um

2:45:46 ↗ bringing up because i know that in

2:45:48 ↗ in some response to different codes

2:45:51 ↗ that code enforcement has also been a

2:45:53 ↗ part of in different from shopping carts

2:45:55 ↗ been but in the past

2:45:57 ↗ for example if we have to respond and

2:46:00 ↗ someone has a for example a vehicle that

2:46:03 ↗ ends up overnight in the middle of their

2:46:05 ↗ property

2:46:06 ↗ and they try and get a hold of the owner

2:46:07 ↗ but they can't

2:46:09 ↗ that is still an eyesore and still

2:46:11 ↗ against the code they are so responsible

2:46:13 ↗ and we also work to try and work

2:46:15 ↗ together with them to have that removed

2:46:18 ↗ in whatever fashion that is but

2:46:20 ↗ ultimately

2:46:21 ↗ in the end game that someone has to be

2:46:23 ↗ responsible to remove that eyesore and

2:46:26 ↗ so i think that's where it just falls

2:46:28 ↗ into play as far as it's not we all

2:46:30 ↗ think the business owners of course

2:46:31 ↗ aren't going to want other businesses

2:46:33 ↗ carts on their property

2:46:35 ↗ but at the same time the efforts have to

2:46:36 ↗ be made to also still clean that up

2:46:39 ↗ whether it be at the transit center like

2:46:41 ↗ we've had communication with them too as

2:46:43 ↗ well so i think that's just what i was

2:46:45 ↗ trying to

2:46:46 ↗ bring to light and remember that it's

2:46:47 ↗ still we do have that property owner if

2:46:49 ↗ it's on their property to also still get

2:46:51 ↗ it picked up and at least try and make

2:46:53 ↗ attempts to get those owners to collect

2:46:54 ↗ them

2:46:58 ↗ are there additional comments or

2:47:00 ↗ questions

2:47:06 ↗ council president walsh with a question

2:47:09 ↗ thank you this is council president

2:47:10 ↗ walsh um

2:47:13 ↗ toward this idea i know

2:47:15 ↗ part of the ordinance is suggesting that

2:47:18 ↗ in limited circumstances the

2:47:21 ↗ city through a vendor could

2:47:24 ↗ pick up carts that are left in the

2:47:26 ↗ right-of-way or public property would it

2:47:29 ↗ at all be possible for

2:47:31 ↗ private business owners who

2:47:34 ↗ have carts dumped on their lots to

2:47:37 ↗ utilize a

2:47:38 ↗ similar

2:47:41 ↗ service

2:47:42 ↗ that would thus

2:47:44 ↗ address

2:47:45 ↗ the

2:47:46 ↗ issue

2:47:48 ↗ i think if i understand your question

2:47:50 ↗ correctly president president walsh

2:47:52 ↗ asking if the uh services that the city

2:47:55 ↗ may provide in the public right-of-way

2:47:57 ↗ could be provided on private property

2:47:58 ↗ and i think we'll go to rachel

2:48:01 ↗ uh for an answer but that would mean

2:48:03 ↗ that the city might start to be

2:48:05 ↗ responsible for a legal dumping of

2:48:07 ↗ anything on somebody's property versus

2:48:09 ↗ the property owner being responsible for

2:48:11 ↗ it so it might have some far-reaching

2:48:13 ↗ consequences rachel

2:48:17 ↗ yeah i think i would be cautious about

2:48:19 ↗ going that route

2:48:22 ↗ um

2:48:22 ↗ [Music]

2:48:25 ↗ the i suppose theoretically yes you know

2:48:28 ↗ i mean they first of all they they could

2:48:30 ↗ contract

2:48:32 ↗ the once the once the carts are on their

2:48:34 ↗ property abandoned i mean they can

2:48:36 ↗ really dispose of them

2:48:39 ↗ however they see fit so they could they

2:48:41 ↗ could personally contract with any of

2:48:43 ↗ those groups to take them off

2:48:46 ↗ i assume that you're asking whether or

2:48:48 ↗ not they could avail themselves of the

2:48:50 ↗ city's

2:48:51 ↗ service provider is that correct

2:48:54 ↗ yeah

2:48:56 ↗ correct i don't see any reason why

2:49:01 ↗ why they couldn't why it couldn't work

2:49:03 ↗ that way why the the city couldn't send

2:49:05 ↗ their you know

2:49:07 ↗ their staff or their

2:49:09 ↗ contractor over to to grab those as long

2:49:12 ↗ as they have the property owner's

2:49:14 ↗ permission to go on the property that's

2:49:17 ↗ that's really the the biggest issue

2:49:19 ↗ there is that

2:49:20 ↗ we can't be trespassing on

2:49:22 ↗ third parties private property to

2:49:25 ↗ take these accumulated shopping carts so

2:49:28 ↗ we do need those property owners to do

2:49:30 ↗ something

2:49:31 ↗ to help us

2:49:32 ↗ get rid of them and whether that just be

2:49:34 ↗ call the city so we can coordinate

2:49:36 ↗ removal

2:49:37 ↗ you know that i think would be very

2:49:39 ↗ manageable even really just under the

2:49:41 ↗ terms of this ordinance as is as is

2:49:44 ↗ thank you city ms ray bach would you

2:49:46 ↗ turn your camera on welcome

2:49:48 ↗ yes uh thank you mr mayor uh i i think

2:49:50 ↗ the city attorney hit it on the head i

2:49:52 ↗ think ultimately we will work with the

2:49:54 ↗ property owner i think the council is

2:49:56 ↗ making it clear that you don't want to

2:49:58 ↗ have this be in any way an onus on the

2:50:01 ↗ property owner in a negative way uh so

2:50:04 ↗ again with this ordinance we're gonna

2:50:05 ↗ have to live with it for a while i think

2:50:06 ↗ as was mentioned at the top of the

2:50:08 ↗ meeting other communities have had to

2:50:10 ↗ live with their ordinances as well and

2:50:12 ↗ you learn the good and the bad

2:50:14 ↗ so clearly if the council is comfortable

2:50:16 ↗ striking 8.30.1103

2:50:20 ↗ go ahead we'll deal with the

2:50:21 ↗ consequences and if they become onerous

2:50:23 ↗ we'll come back to the council

2:50:24 ↗ thank you administrator bob quotes is

2:50:26 ↗ there any additional comments or

2:50:28 ↗ questions otherwise i will re-read the

2:50:30 ↗ current motion

2:50:31 ↗ so i'll keep eye on chat for a second

2:50:36 ↗ the current motion before the council is

2:50:38 ↗ to amend the ordinance for a b 8037

2:50:41 ↗ striking section

2:50:43 ↗ 8.30.110 parent three and i will go to

2:50:46 ↗ the city clerk for a roll call book

2:50:50 ↗ starting with council member marks

2:50:53 ↗ council member ray aye

2:50:55 ↗ council president walsh

2:50:58 ↗ i

2:50:59 ↗ council member d michelle

2:51:01 ↗ aye

2:51:03 ↗ deputy council president hall

2:51:07 ↗ hey

2:51:08 ↗ was that a name

2:51:11 ↗ thank you yes

2:51:13 ↗ council member hunt

2:51:20 ↗ councilmember joe

2:51:22 ↗ hi

2:51:24 ↗ that's six eyes one no

2:51:26 ↗ thank you the amendment passes six to

2:51:29 ↗ one

2:51:30 ↗ uh council councilmember d michelle you

2:51:33 ↗ would like to make a comment and a

2:51:34 ↗ motion

2:51:40 ↗ darn

2:51:42 ↗ thank you mayor paulie i have an

2:51:44 ↗ amendment that i would like to propose

2:51:46 ↗ and i will put it in the chat

2:51:49 ↗ uh i think it was also sent um whoops

2:51:53 ↗ just a moment oh yeah

2:51:56 ↗ i think this is going to work let's hope

2:51:58 ↗ there we go and uh

2:52:02 ↗ this is on page 284 of the packet that

2:52:05 ↗ we received

2:52:06 ↗ and i will read it uh move to amend

2:52:09 ↗ section 8.3

2:52:11 ↗ 0.100

2:52:13 ↗ subsection 4 paragraph 8 sub paragraph

2:52:17 ↗ iii

2:52:18 ↗ of the proposed ordinance to add

2:52:21 ↗ quote and a deadline to submit a new

2:52:23 ↗ plan for review unquote

2:52:26 ↗ to the end of the second sentence and to

2:52:28 ↗ add the following after the last

2:52:29 ↗ sentence

2:52:30 ↗ quote an owner who fails to timely file

2:52:33 ↗ a proposed plan or to abide by the terms

2:52:35 ↗ of an approved plan is in violation of

2:52:38 ↗ this chapter and shall be subject to

2:52:40 ↗ civil penalties in the amount of five

2:52:41 ↗ hundred dollars for each day during

2:52:43 ↗ which the violation continues

2:52:47 ↗ unquote

2:52:48 ↗ thank you councilmember d michelle is

2:52:50 ↗ there a second

2:52:59 ↗ council deputy council president hall

2:53:02 ↗ thank you mayor paulie i would like to

2:53:04 ↗ second for the sake of discussion

2:53:06 ↗ thank you councilmember d michelle would

2:53:08 ↗ you like to discuss and i do see that

2:53:10 ↗ our um

2:53:12 ↗ chief would also like to comment as well

2:53:14 ↗ councilmember d michelle

2:53:17 ↗ thank you mary polly um

2:53:19 ↗ when i read this section it seemed

2:53:22 ↗ incomplete to me

2:53:23 ↗ a plan is submitted and denied and the

2:53:26 ↗ ordinance only specifies that the

2:53:28 ↗ business

2:53:29 ↗ receives notification of the denial

2:53:32 ↗ i think it's important that we detail

2:53:34 ↗ the next steps and consequences of the

2:53:37 ↗ denial so the business being notified

2:53:39 ↗ has a clear understanding of its next

2:53:41 ↗ steps

2:53:43 ↗ to be clear this amendment would only

2:53:45 ↗ apply in a very few instances

2:53:48 ↗ if a business has failed to retrieve

2:53:50 ↗ carts in a timely fashion

2:53:52 ↗ six or more times in a three month

2:53:54 ↗ period

2:53:55 ↗ and if the business has been asked to

2:53:57 ↗ submit a plan detailing how it will

2:53:59 ↗ improve

2:54:01 ↗ and if the business has submitted a

2:54:02 ↗ document so poorly planned or written

2:54:04 ↗ that it is denied

2:54:06 ↗ and if the business is given a new

2:54:08 ↗ timeline to submit a plan and fails to

2:54:10 ↗ do so

2:54:11 ↗ at that time the city starts levying

2:54:13 ↗ fines

2:54:15 ↗ so let's hope it would never be used but

2:54:17 ↗ on the other hand we've seen clear

2:54:19 ↗ instances where good faith efforts to

2:54:21 ↗ persuade a national business to be a

2:54:23 ↗ good neighbor have failed

2:54:25 ↗ and i therefore think we need to add

2:54:27 ↗ teeth to this section of the ordinance

2:54:29 ↗ and i would appreciate your support for

2:54:31 ↗ this amendment

2:54:32 ↗ thank you thank you councilmember

2:54:34 ↗ michelle councilmember hunt if it's okay

2:54:36 ↗ with you i'd like to let the chief make

2:54:38 ↗ some comments and then come to your

2:54:39 ↗ question

2:54:41 ↗ chief

2:54:45 ↗ um i didn't raise my hand i wasn't sure

2:54:49 ↗ okay it's because your camera was on

2:54:52 ↗ sorry about that councilmember hunt

2:54:55 ↗ thanks i had a question about the

2:54:58 ↗ amounts so

2:55:00 ↗ my understanding is that if we didn't

2:55:02 ↗ um if we didn't adopt this amendment

2:55:06 ↗ then the amount would be 250 because

2:55:08 ↗ it's an unlisted

2:55:10 ↗ um

2:55:11 ↗ fine is that correct or what would what

2:55:13 ↗ would the fine be without this amendment

2:55:17 ↗ rachel

2:55:19 ↗ yes the fine would be 250 although i

2:55:22 ↗ completely agree with council member de

2:55:24 ↗ michel that it wasn't

2:55:26 ↗ it wasn't clearly enough specified what

2:55:30 ↗ that there would be a penalty that there

2:55:33 ↗ what the next steps would be yes

2:55:35 ↗ theoretically we've already we've

2:55:37 ↗ already uh put a in a catch-all

2:55:40 ↗ provision at the top of the ordinance

2:55:42 ↗ that says violation of this is violation

2:55:45 ↗ of the code so

2:55:47 ↗ any violation including violation of

2:55:49 ↗ these plan provisions could then

2:55:51 ↗ be

2:55:53 ↗ we could it could be pursued as a civil

2:55:56 ↗ infraction that way but it seemed

2:55:58 ↗ important to

2:56:01 ↗ set a

2:56:02 ↗ more particular process especially since

2:56:05 ↗ even if you find someone

2:56:08 ↗ then they would still not know when they

2:56:10 ↗ had to resubmit a new plan you know it

2:56:13 ↗ didn't provide details like that and

2:56:14 ↗ that's because

2:56:16 ↗ what i can talk about later too is that

2:56:18 ↗ this plan is really um or this this

2:56:20 ↗ shopping cart ordinance is really

2:56:22 ↗ different from our neighboring

2:56:23 ↗ jurisdictions in some ways we kind of

2:56:25 ↗ took the best parts of what we saw in

2:56:29 ↗ all of the shopping cart ordinances

2:56:31 ↗ around us and so

2:56:34 ↗ we actually

2:56:35 ↗ we modeled this particular section after

2:56:37 ↗ the city of longview's plan which was

2:56:41 ↗ just it was much more burdensome and

2:56:43 ↗ onerous on the businesses

2:56:45 ↗ and so in modifying it so that it was

2:56:48 ↗ more business friendly i think we missed

2:56:51 ↗ making it clear when they would have to

2:56:53 ↗ submit a new plan so i do think this is

2:56:55 ↗ a good amendment um i think it would be

2:56:57 ↗ good to

2:56:59 ↗ to make this amendment even if you want

2:57:01 ↗ to set a different penalty that's fine i

2:57:04 ↗ i merely suggested 500 because that's a

2:57:06 ↗ really typical code enforcement penalty

2:57:09 ↗ uh

2:57:10 ↗ city of i i looked up a few before the

2:57:13 ↗ meeting city of redmond for instance

2:57:15 ↗ their code enforcement penalty

2:57:18 ↗ for uh

2:57:19 ↗ you know any violation of their code is

2:57:21 ↗ is up to a thousand dollars a day

2:57:23 ↗ samamish is 500

2:57:26 ↗ um

2:57:27 ↗ bellevue is the thousand

2:57:29 ↗ it's

2:57:31 ↗ in my experience which has been

2:57:33 ↗ kind of all over 500 is is kind of the

2:57:36 ↗ the average and typical but you could

2:57:38 ↗ really make the penalty whatever you

2:57:40 ↗ want but i would still recommend that

2:57:42 ↗ you include the rest of this language

2:57:45 ↗ just so it's very abundantly clear to

2:57:48 ↗ your

2:57:49 ↗ business owners that what the process

2:57:52 ↗ would be and that what the consequences

2:57:54 ↗ for

2:57:55 ↗ failing to abide by the plan because

2:57:57 ↗ otherwise

2:57:59 ↗ they don't have really they might think

2:58:00 ↗ they have no incentive to

2:58:02 ↗ to provide the plan they may not

2:58:04 ↗ understand that they can be civilly um

2:58:06 ↗ cited through infractions and also the

2:58:08 ↗ infraction process is a bit onerous on

2:58:10 ↗ staff

2:58:11 ↗ thank you rachel uh councilmember hall

2:58:16 ↗ uh thank you a quick question for either

2:58:19 ↗ councilmember michelle or jen davis

2:58:21 ↗ hayes but just to clarify that this

2:58:23 ↗ specific

2:58:24 ↗ penalty proposal hasn't been

2:58:26 ↗ um

2:58:28 ↗ run by the chamber or any business

2:58:31 ↗ groups yet for

2:58:33 ↗ for feedback is that correct

2:58:36 ↗ i believe that is correct i don't know

2:58:37 ↗ if council member d michelle had shared

2:58:40 ↗ any of this previously no no

2:58:44 ↗ again though as rachel mentioned it's a

2:58:46 ↗ typical

2:58:47 ↗ sign um so

2:58:53 ↗ additional questions on this proposed

2:58:55 ↗ amendment

2:59:00 ↗ councilmember joe

2:59:02 ↗ thank you just a question for us to the

2:59:04 ↗ attorney

2:59:05 ↗ um

2:59:07 ↗ is the

2:59:09 ↗ director's denial of

2:59:11 ↗ the plan such that the fine would start

2:59:15 ↗ accumulating

2:59:17 ↗ is that an appealable item under section

2:59:20 ↗ five

2:59:21 ↗ such that um it's going they'll be able

2:59:24 ↗ to

2:59:25 ↗ you know suspend the fine for a while

2:59:27 ↗ until the decision is handed down on the

2:59:28 ↗ appeal so that they do have a recourse

2:59:31 ↗ uh should the should they disagree with

2:59:33 ↗ what's going on

2:59:35 ↗ absolutely good question and yes

2:59:37 ↗ okay so it's not a final 500 is gonna

2:59:41 ↗ start accruing forever until you make a

2:59:43 ↗ correction you actually have

2:59:44 ↗ the decision to either amend your plan

2:59:47 ↗ and put it back to the director for

2:59:48 ↗ review

2:59:49 ↗ or go to an appeal where you can have

2:59:52 ↗ your issue heard out so exactly the

2:59:54 ↗ penalties are really if you just thumb

2:59:55 ↗ your nose at the city and don't do

2:59:57 ↗ anything which hopefully we will never

2:59:59 ↗ be in

3:00:01 ↗ that situation

3:00:02 ↗ perfect thank you i i appreciate that

3:00:04 ↗ there's a there's recourse for the for

3:00:07 ↗ the

3:00:07 ↗ retailer there yes absolutely they

3:00:10 ↗ appeal right thank you councilmember joe

3:00:12 ↗ not seeing any additional questions so

3:00:14 ↗ i'll have the clerk call a roll call

3:00:17 ↗ vote on the amendment which is to amend

3:00:20 ↗ section 8.30

3:00:23 ↗ zero 0.100 subsection paren four

3:00:25 ↗ paragraph for n a sub paragraph

3:00:28 ↗ three of the proposed ordinance to add

3:00:32 ↗ end a deadline to submit a new plan for

3:00:35 ↗ review

3:00:36 ↗ and to add that to the end of the second

3:00:38 ↗ sentence

3:00:40 ↗ and to add the following after the last

3:00:42 ↗ sentence

3:00:43 ↗ an owner who fails to timely file a

3:00:46 ↗ proposed plan or to abide by the terms

3:00:48 ↗ of an approved plan is in violation of

3:00:50 ↗ this chapter and shall be subject to

3:00:52 ↗ civil penalties

3:00:53 ↗ in the amount of five hundred dollars

3:00:55 ↗ for each day during which the violation

3:00:58 ↗ continues

3:00:59 ↗ and i'll go to the city clerk

3:01:02 ↗ yes starting with council member ray

3:01:08 ↗ i

3:01:10 ↗ council president walsh

3:01:12 ↗ i

3:01:13 ↗ council member d michelle

3:01:15 ↗ [Music]

3:01:17 ↗ deputy council president hall

3:01:22 ↗ council member hunt

3:01:25 ↗ council member joe

3:01:28 ↗ i

3:01:29 ↗ council member marks

3:01:31 ↗ i

3:01:32 ↗ got

3:01:34 ↗ [Music]

3:01:35 ↗ thank you that passes unanimously

3:01:38 ↗ uh are there any is there any additional

3:01:41 ↗ discussion or any additional proposed

3:01:44 ↗ amendments before we move to the main

3:01:45 ↗ motion and i will give you guys a second

3:01:48 ↗ to put something in the chat if you have

3:01:50 ↗ something

3:02:00 ↗ okay i'm not seeing anything

3:02:05 ↗ um

3:02:06 ↗ [Music]

3:02:07 ↗ okay i'll go back to um

3:02:10 ↗ the proposed motion it was moved and

3:02:13 ↗ seconded to adopt ordinance number 2967

3:02:17 ↗ amending the initial

3:02:19 ↗ the issaquah municipal code

3:02:21 ↗ by adding a new chapter 8.30

3:02:24 ↗ shopping cart regulation

3:02:27 ↗ can i say as men did city clerk

3:02:32 ↗ as amended

3:02:36 ↗ and i will go to the city clerk for a

3:02:37 ↗ roll call vote

3:02:40 ↗ starting with council president walsh

3:02:44 ↗ i

3:02:46 ↗ council member d michelle

3:02:48 ↗ [Music]

3:02:50 ↗ deputy council president hall

3:02:53 ↗ i

3:02:55 ↗ council member

3:02:56 ↗ hunt aye

3:03:00 ↗ council member joe

3:03:02 ↗ aye

3:03:03 ↗ council member marks i

3:03:07 ↗ council member ray hi

3:03:09 ↗ that's seven eyes zero knows

3:03:12 ↗ thank you that passes unanimously

3:03:16 ↗ please move on to our last regular

3:03:18 ↗ business item for today which is ab-8316

3:03:22 ↗ amending imc 5.02.09

3:03:26 ↗ the revocation or suspension of a

3:03:29 ↗ business license and the request before

3:03:31 ↗ council today is to adopt the ordinance

3:03:34 ↗ again this is the first time that this

3:03:36 ↗ item is coming before council and i'd

3:03:38 ↗ like to invite city attorney

3:03:40 ↗ attorney rachel turpin to introduce this

3:03:43 ↗ item

3:03:44 ↗ rachel thank you mayor good evening

3:03:46 ↗ council hello again continuing

3:03:49 ↗ uh this legislation also relates to this

3:03:53 ↗ kind of ongoing crisis we have of

3:03:56 ↗ criminal activity in

3:03:58 ↗ some of the city's retail business

3:04:00 ↗ establishments

3:04:02 ↗ this particular legislation would amend

3:04:05 ↗ imc

3:04:07 ↗ 5.05

3:04:09 ↗ which is the section of the code that

3:04:11 ↗ sets forth the criteria for

3:04:14 ↗ suspension or revocation of a city

3:04:16 ↗ issued business license

3:04:18 ↗ the intent of the amendments is to

3:04:20 ↗ protect the public health and safety by

3:04:22 ↗ making it abundantly clear that allowing

3:04:24 ↗ a business

3:04:25 ↗ to become

3:04:26 ↗ sort of a haven for criminal activity

3:04:30 ↗ is not acceptable to the city of

3:04:31 ↗ issaquah

3:04:32 ↗ the current code is written very broadly

3:04:35 ↗ and not as clearly as i would like to

3:04:38 ↗ see it written eventually

3:04:42 ↗ for instance

3:04:44 ↗ this particular section of the code

3:04:46 ↗ currently provides that a license can be

3:04:48 ↗ suspended or revoked in the event a

3:04:50 ↗ business has become a public nuisance

3:04:52 ↗ well rampant criminal activity like this

3:04:54 ↗ is indeed a public nuisance but i'm not

3:04:57 ↗ sure that would be clear to

3:04:59 ↗ business owners who don't

3:05:02 ↗ don't deal in

3:05:03 ↗ things like public nuisances every day

3:05:05 ↗ who aren't who don't speak municipal

3:05:08 ↗ speak like some of us do um that that

3:05:11 ↗ really may you know they may be thinking

3:05:12 ↗ about foul odors things like that more

3:05:15 ↗ as public nuisances rather than this

3:05:17 ↗ criminal activity

3:05:19 ↗ so we thought

3:05:21 ↗ that this

3:05:22 ↗ essentially the intent was to add some

3:05:25 ↗ clarity for the businesses but also to

3:05:27 ↗ make it explicitly clear to them that

3:05:30 ↗ operating your business in a manner that

3:05:33 ↗ allows for this sort of

3:05:35 ↗ outrageous uh

3:05:37 ↗ criminal conduct to occur on your

3:05:40 ↗ property without any without trying to

3:05:42 ↗ intervene and prevent it

3:05:44 ↗ or reported in any way

3:05:46 ↗ is just unacceptable in the city and

3:05:48 ↗ won't be tolerated

3:05:50 ↗ like many provisions of the issaquah

3:05:52 ↗ municipal code

3:05:54 ↗ this section does require

3:05:56 ↗ the city to exercise discretion and

3:05:58 ↗ that's true with or without these

3:06:01 ↗ amendments that's that's it's very

3:06:03 ↗ typical uh there's a lot of a lot of

3:06:05 ↗ discretion is handed to

3:06:08 ↗ us in the municipal world and we have to

3:06:11 ↗ utilize that discretion

3:06:14 ↗ to the best of our abilities

3:06:16 ↗ and so we would staff would have to

3:06:18 ↗ utilize discretion to decide when when

3:06:21 ↗ and if to move forward with revocation

3:06:23 ↗ or suspension proceedings

3:06:27 ↗ in the event that a business felt that

3:06:29 ↗ the city had abused its discretion it

3:06:31 ↗ would have appeal rights so there are

3:06:34 ↗ other provisions in chapter 5.04

3:06:37 ↗ that uh relate to your rights to appeal

3:06:41 ↗ a decision under that chapter so they

3:06:43 ↗ would they would they would be able to

3:06:44 ↗ avail themselves of of that appeal

3:06:48 ↗ there are additional changes to section

3:06:53 ↗ 5.04090 that i would like to see made in

3:06:56 ↗ the future

3:06:57 ↗ but i know the criminal activity is

3:06:59 ↗ definitely the most pressing issue since

3:07:01 ↗ it affects the public safety i think the

3:07:04 ↗ other changes can wait until we've had

3:07:06 ↗ the opportunity to conduct a more

3:07:07 ↗ comprehensive review and update of this

3:07:10 ↗ entire chapter which i have already been

3:07:12 ↗ in preliminary discussions with the

3:07:14 ↗ mayor and city administrator about

3:07:17 ↗ uh with that i would love to take any

3:07:19 ↗ questions that you have

3:07:22 ↗ before we start with questions i wonder

3:07:24 ↗ if you

3:07:25 ↗ this

3:07:26 ↗ ordinance has had some feedback provided

3:07:29 ↗ by the chamber

3:07:31 ↗ informal feedback provided about

3:07:33 ↗ potentially

3:07:34 ↗ editing a portion of it could you go

3:07:36 ↗ through what you would recommend uh

3:07:38 ↗ council take into consideration tonight

3:07:41 ↗ yes so we did receive some feedback from

3:07:44 ↗ the chamber

3:07:45 ↗ we

3:07:48 ↗ the biggest point of contention seemed

3:07:50 ↗ to be

3:07:51 ↗ the

3:07:52 ↗ preliminary language at the at the very

3:07:55 ↗ beginning of

3:07:57 ↗ the section that reads uh

3:08:01 ↗ the building official or his or her

3:08:03 ↗ designee may at any time suspend or

3:08:06 ↗ revoke any license issued under the

3:08:08 ↗ provisions of this chapter whenever it

3:08:10 ↗ and this is the part that was that is uh

3:08:13 ↗ proposed to be added

3:08:14 ↗ it reads is reasonably necessary in the

3:08:17 ↗ interest of protection of the public

3:08:19 ↗ health safety morals peace or welfare

3:08:22 ↗ welfare or when the licensee or any

3:08:24 ↗ officer employee or partner thereof dot

3:08:26 ↗ dot and then it goes through the other

3:08:28 ↗ conditions

3:08:29 ↗ and

3:08:30 ↗ i i don't see any issue with deletion of

3:08:34 ↗ that

3:08:35 ↗ provision there that was really just a

3:08:38 ↗ introductory remark more than anything

3:08:41 ↗ else i would never have

3:08:43 ↗ based any revocation off of that

3:08:46 ↗ language to begin with it was just once

3:08:48 ↗ again i don't know just to

3:08:50 ↗ sort of tie it in with the conditions

3:08:53 ↗ that were set forth below but

3:08:56 ↗ it certainly could be done without other

3:08:59 ↗ other uh feedback that we received from

3:09:02 ↗ businesses were

3:09:04 ↗ compilations of other city codes

3:09:07 ↗ that and what they have with regard to

3:09:10 ↗ this subject matter

3:09:12 ↗ those were not new to me um i'm pretty

3:09:15 ↗ familiar with with most of the local

3:09:18 ↗ municipal codes and

3:09:20 ↗ especially though i think the ones that

3:09:22 ↗ were pointed out were

3:09:24 ↗ kirkland redmond

3:09:26 ↗ seattle renton

3:09:28 ↗ kirkland and redmond those are what i

3:09:30 ↗ would consider to be the kind of the

3:09:31 ↗ garden variety uh

3:09:34 ↗ code with respect to revocation of a

3:09:37 ↗ business license

3:09:38 ↗ those provisions are very commonly seen

3:09:42 ↗ once again i don't think that i think

3:09:44 ↗ some of them very clearly spell out what

3:09:46 ↗ the city of israel's code also says but

3:09:50 ↗ just in a different way and it certainly

3:09:51 ↗ wouldn't hurt in the future to make our

3:09:54 ↗ code look more like that just because

3:09:55 ↗ that's you know what people are used to

3:09:57 ↗ seeing around here

3:09:59 ↗ but

3:10:00 ↗ the provisions and those codes alone

3:10:03 ↗ would not deal with

3:10:06 ↗ the issues that were facing here

3:10:09 ↗ in particular those wouldn't address

3:10:11 ↗ these issues of the the criminal

3:10:13 ↗ activity

3:10:15 ↗ our own code

3:10:16 ↗ would with the public nuisance language

3:10:18 ↗ but once again i wasn't sure if that was

3:10:20 ↗ clear enough for the businesses

3:10:23 ↗ um city of renton has a different

3:10:26 ↗ provision they

3:10:28 ↗ they

3:10:29 ↗ allow revocation when a business becomes

3:10:31 ↗ a chronic nuisance premise and they

3:10:34 ↗ define that as a certain number of calls

3:10:36 ↗ for service over a certain amount of

3:10:38 ↗ time

3:10:39 ↗ that is another option

3:10:41 ↗ that you can consider

3:10:43 ↗ however it also has its

3:10:46 ↗ drawbacks

3:10:48 ↗ that puts first of all puts the burden

3:10:49 ↗ on on sort of your residence to to call

3:10:53 ↗ and report this because

3:10:55 ↗ what happens when you enact chronic

3:10:57 ↗ nuisance legislation of any type even

3:10:59 ↗ this kind of limited business license

3:11:01 ↗ chronic nuisance is that

3:11:03 ↗ businesses it gives them further

3:11:05 ↗ incentive not to call 9-1-1 because the

3:11:08 ↗ more calls they make to 9-1-1

3:11:12 ↗ the more likely their business license

3:11:14 ↗ will be suspended because it's based on

3:11:17 ↗ just

3:11:18 ↗ objective numbers of calls for service

3:11:21 ↗ so that didn't seem

3:11:23 ↗ appropriate here because i i think the

3:11:25 ↗ last thing we want to do here is deter

3:11:27 ↗ the businesses from calling 911 more and

3:11:30 ↗ i don't think you know i'm not sure i

3:11:33 ↗ won't speak for the council but

3:11:34 ↗ i didn't think that folks would want to

3:11:37 ↗ put all of that burden on the public to

3:11:40 ↗ have to make those those phone calls and

3:11:42 ↗ have to keep reporting it when it really

3:11:44 ↗ isn't their problem that they're

3:11:46 ↗ creating

3:11:47 ↗ and then seattle's code is just kind of

3:11:49 ↗ off it's it's just uh

3:11:52 ↗ it doesn't have anything new and

3:11:54 ↗ exciting that any of the other codes

3:11:55 ↗ don't have it's just a lot more process

3:11:59 ↗ rachel thank you for that background

3:12:01 ↗ so just summarizing your comments

3:12:03 ↗ section 5 needs an update overall

3:12:06 ↗ this update today is just specific to

3:12:09 ↗ the current shoplifting crisis

3:12:12 ↗ and that you are suggesting that it

3:12:14 ↗ would be appropriate for the council to

3:12:17 ↗ remove the introductory language because

3:12:20 ↗ the bulleted

3:12:22 ↗ points below

3:12:23 ↗ add enough specificity for this

3:12:25 ↗ ordinance to be enforceable without

3:12:28 ↗ being perceived to be overly broad

3:12:31 ↗ correct okay so um

3:12:34 ↗ let's do some questions before we talk

3:12:37 ↗ about emotion are there any questions

3:12:39 ↗ from city council members

3:12:47 ↗ councilmember joe

3:12:50 ↗ thank you

3:12:51 ↗ uh city attorney

3:12:54 ↗ i have seen in some of the other codes

3:12:56 ↗ that i've reviewed and looked at

3:12:59 ↗ sometimes with business licenses and

3:13:01 ↗ there's a when there's a violation

3:13:03 ↗ there's a chance an opportunity for the

3:13:05 ↗ business owner to cure the problem

3:13:07 ↗ and you know they're given

3:13:09 ↗ 10 days to cure the problem then the

3:13:12 ↗ inspector comes back you know 10 days

3:13:15 ↗ later to check it out and then only

3:13:17 ↗ after the problem still persists they go

3:13:19 ↗ ahead and write uh you know a revocation

3:13:22 ↗ for that particular license that

3:13:24 ↗ decision can then be appealed as you

3:13:26 ↗ point out have you seen that work in

3:13:28 ↗ other cities and if you could comment on

3:13:30 ↗ the merits of of perhaps consideration

3:13:33 ↗ of some type of ability to cure the

3:13:35 ↗ problem

3:13:37 ↗ i have yet to work in a jurisdiction

3:13:39 ↗ that didn't try

3:13:41 ↗ very hard to work with the property

3:13:43 ↗ owner to cure a violation before

3:13:47 ↗ moving to suspension or revocation

3:13:50 ↗ in the

3:13:52 ↗ almost 15 years i've been practicing

3:13:54 ↗ municipal law

3:13:55 ↗ i've handled

3:13:56 ↗ [Music]

3:13:58 ↗ less than five business license

3:13:59 ↗ revocations probably it's extremely rare

3:14:03 ↗ usually

3:14:04 ↗ simply having codes on the books and

3:14:07 ↗ having the ability to threaten it is

3:14:09 ↗ enough to get a

3:14:12 ↗ business to the table to talk to you

3:14:14 ↗ about rectifying the situation so it

3:14:17 ↗ very rarely if ever comes to that

3:14:21 ↗ so even without language like that in

3:14:23 ↗ the code that

3:14:25 ↗ that is just the general process and

3:14:28 ↗ that's certainly the process that i

3:14:29 ↗ would recommend to staff as the city

3:14:31 ↗ attorney

3:14:32 ↗ great could i hear from staff then as to

3:14:35 ↗ their general process to allow a

3:14:37 ↗ business to

3:14:38 ↗ uh cure the problem if they do do that

3:14:41 ↗ as regular practice and and how that's

3:14:43 ↗ worked

3:14:48 ↗ let that mayor remembers the council let

3:14:50 ↗ me take a crack at that

3:14:52 ↗ again as the city attorneys mentioned

3:14:54 ↗ it's a pretty rare occurrence

3:14:57 ↗ um we've actually had one business

3:15:00 ↗ business license revocation uh in the

3:15:02 ↗ two and a half years

3:15:04 ↗ that i have been here uh dealing with a

3:15:07 ↗ doggy daycare

3:15:08 ↗ facility

3:15:10 ↗ and that was really a matter of

3:15:12 ↗ interpretation of code where uh the

3:15:14 ↗ individual

3:15:16 ↗ was conducting a business that that

3:15:19 ↗ could you could not board a

3:15:21 ↗ board animals uh for any period of time

3:15:24 ↗ in a residential zone so we worked with

3:15:27 ↗ the business owner we ultimately did

3:15:29 ↗ have a revocation uh there was then a

3:15:32 ↗ hearing where we were able to talk

3:15:34 ↗ through with the business owner

3:15:35 ↗ basically a solution

3:15:37 ↗ to their problem

3:15:38 ↗ and then

3:15:40 ↗ the city administrator serves as the

3:15:41 ↗ hearing officer under the code

3:15:44 ↗ we were then able to issue i was unable

3:15:45 ↗ to issue a ruling

3:15:47 ↗ that allowed the business owner to once

3:15:49 ↗ again have their business license and

3:15:51 ↗ move forward so you know that in two and

3:15:54 ↗ a half years here as the designated

3:15:56 ↗ official to handle that that's the only

3:15:58 ↗ time we've had that but i'll echo what

3:16:00 ↗ the city attorney has mentioned um you

3:16:03 ↗ know certainly with the current

3:16:04 ↗ situation um with some of our national

3:16:06 ↗ retailers especially we have been

3:16:09 ↗ meeting uh almost continuously with them

3:16:11 ↗ to try to get some movement i think the

3:16:14 ↗ challenge we're facing unfortunately

3:16:17 ↗ is that we're not seeing movement that's

3:16:19 ↗ affecting results and so in consultation

3:16:22 ↗ with the city attorney of the

3:16:23 ↗ administration has brought this before

3:16:25 ↗ you because we fear that we're running

3:16:28 ↗ out of options um and that the the

3:16:30 ↗ impact on the community and as you've

3:16:33 ↗ heard from uh public testimony earlier

3:16:35 ↗ this evening we're in pretty uncharted

3:16:37 ↗ territory so that's why we're here this

3:16:39 ↗ evening with that but again we have been

3:16:41 ↗ working

3:16:42 ↗ with these instances for several months

3:16:45 ↗ um

3:16:46 ↗ we just fear we're coming to the end of

3:16:48 ↗ our ability uh to impact change without

3:16:51 ↗ perhaps going through a revocation

3:16:54 ↗ thank you that's very helpful

3:16:56 ↗ thank you dance member joe councilmember

3:16:57 ↗ d michelle

3:17:00 ↗ uh thank you this is councilmember d

3:17:02 ↗ michelle um overall i'm very supportive

3:17:04 ↗ of this uh proposed ordinance however i

3:17:08 ↗ am wondering if you could outline if we

3:17:11 ↗ delayed passing it tonight what would be

3:17:14 ↗ the

3:17:15 ↗ adverse

3:17:16 ↗ impacts that that might bring about

3:17:19 ↗ if we were to bring this back on

3:17:21 ↗ february 7th would that

3:17:24 ↗ delay

3:17:25 ↗ pose

3:17:27 ↗ problems for either the mayor or the

3:17:30 ↗ administration thank you councilmember d

3:17:32 ↗ michelle let me start i'm sure city

3:17:34 ↗ administrator bob quits and rachel might

3:17:36 ↗ have some thoughts too

3:17:38 ↗ without this particular tool in the

3:17:40 ↗ toolkit all we will be able to do if

3:17:44 ↗ certain retailers refuse as they did

3:17:46 ↗ today when our officers brought back

3:17:49 ↗ stolen goods

3:17:51 ↗ refuse to charge those we will continue

3:17:54 ↗ to have shoplifting through

3:17:57 ↗ whatever period of time it takes until

3:17:59 ↗ the council approves it which in my mind

3:18:01 ↗ is a continued threat to our community

3:18:03 ↗ members who are in the parking lot who

3:18:05 ↗ are on the trail who are at the transit

3:18:07 ↗ center so yes we can return carts

3:18:10 ↗ because of the cart ordinance but

3:18:12 ↗ the way things are right now that just

3:18:14 ↗ means that the shoplifting will continue

3:18:16 ↗ as usual

3:18:20 ↗ and madam mayor perhaps i can ask the

3:18:23 ↗ chief you referred to an incident just

3:18:25 ↗ this afternoon

3:18:26 ↗ um which was really disturbing um and

3:18:31 ↗ chief

3:18:32 ↗ if you could just talk just briefly

3:18:34 ↗ about the incident

3:18:35 ↗ that occurred with one of our national

3:18:37 ↗ retailers

3:18:38 ↗ just this afternoon

3:18:43 ↗ we had some individuals

3:18:46 ↗ seen exiting one of the stores

3:18:49 ↗ and the officers brought the individual

3:18:52 ↗ and the carts of merchandise back to the

3:18:54 ↗ store our officer talked with two

3:18:57 ↗ separate managers

3:18:58 ↗ and the other off-duty officer that was

3:19:00 ↗ working overtime there not from our

3:19:02 ↗ agency but still in effect there

3:19:05 ↗ commissioned within the state

3:19:07 ↗ and witnessed the subject leave and exit

3:19:10 ↗ the store and they refused to press

3:19:12 ↗ charges because one specific manager was

3:19:14 ↗ not on site

3:19:17 ↗ so they they do have some corporate

3:19:19 ↗ policy

3:19:20 ↗ and if i might take this moment to also

3:19:22 ↗ say that

3:19:23 ↗ i've been working with the mayor since

3:19:26 ↗ the first week in november in meeting

3:19:28 ↗ with these retailers

3:19:30 ↗ and i understand the possibility of

3:19:32 ↗ postponing but it was

3:19:35 ↗ recommended

3:19:36 ↗ different things for them to

3:19:39 ↗ try to implement

3:19:41 ↗ on multiple occasions by the mayor and

3:19:42 ↗ myself

3:19:44 ↗ and the city it was even mentioned

3:19:46 ↗ progressively to include possibility of

3:19:49 ↗ this which was being proposed

3:19:52 ↗ and by just placing an officer there and

3:19:55 ↗ them telling those police officers

3:19:57 ↗ you're just a visual deterrent

3:19:59 ↗ basically stating that they will not be

3:20:01 ↗ using us even press charges even

3:20:02 ↗ witnessing it personally the officer

3:20:05 ↗ themselves

3:20:06 ↗ to me it's lip service to what the mayor

3:20:09 ↗ has been asking and requesting and

3:20:10 ↗ demanding saying for the safety and for

3:20:13 ↗ my experience of 27 years in law

3:20:15 ↗ enforcement

3:20:16 ↗ by allowing and condoning and it being

3:20:18 ↗ placed on social media in several

3:20:20 ↗ different communities

3:20:22 ↗ that this is what's acceptable and this

3:20:24 ↗ is a place to go to commit these crimes

3:20:27 ↗ it will still encourage the worst where

3:20:29 ↗ initially they started a shoplift and

3:20:31 ↗ now we're hearing very unfortunately

3:20:34 ↗ instances of people being threatened

3:20:36 ↗ getting in their own cars people being

3:20:37 ↗ followed and stocked in the store these

3:20:39 ↗ are things that is progressively getting

3:20:42 ↗ worse in building from shoplifting it's

3:20:44 ↗ not just these crimes in and of

3:20:45 ↗ themselves

3:20:52 ↗ sorry

3:20:53 ↗ so it's a difficult question i mean i i

3:20:55 ↗ think

3:20:56 ↗ normally we would encourage the council

3:20:59 ↗ usually one meeting is never a big deal

3:21:02 ↗ on any subject

3:21:04 ↗ but you know we're really at a very

3:21:06 ↗ critical juncture here with one national

3:21:08 ↗ retailer that we maybe faced really to

3:21:10 ↗ move forward to close

3:21:12 ↗ that retailer's uh business here in

3:21:14 ↗ isquad by revoking their business

3:21:16 ↗ license so

3:21:17 ↗ um we continue to talk with the

3:21:20 ↗ retailers i think was mentioned there's

3:21:21 ↗ a

3:21:22 ↗ discussion with them again on thursday

3:21:25 ↗ but quite honestly

3:21:27 ↗ the actions they have taken have really

3:21:28 ↗ been insufficient and i think we are

3:21:30 ↗ getting closer and closer

3:21:32 ↗ to the mayor making a judgment

3:21:35 ↗ if that business license you know we

3:21:36 ↗ should move forward with that revocation

3:21:38 ↗ so i i don't want to color the the

3:21:41 ↗ council's decision-making too much other

3:21:44 ↗ than to say this is really an

3:21:45 ↗ extraordinary circumstance i think all

3:21:47 ↗ of us who work

3:21:49 ↗ uh as your professional staff and you

3:21:51 ↗ know the city attorney myself

3:21:52 ↗ the police chief have been doing this

3:21:54 ↗ for 20 15 20 25 years plus

3:21:57 ↗ never seen anything like this and we're

3:21:59 ↗ just concerned that

3:22:01 ↗ our residents and those people who come

3:22:02 ↗ to do business here are at extraordinary

3:22:05 ↗ risk

3:22:07 ↗ councilmember ray thank you

3:22:11 ↗ uh thank you mayor paul i want to follow

3:22:12 ↗ up on council member d michelle's

3:22:14 ↗ comment um does the current i mean

3:22:17 ↗ we currently have

3:22:18 ↗ an ordinance in place and i have to

3:22:20 ↗ confess i did not read it top to bottom

3:22:22 ↗ in every word what

3:22:24 ↗ what are the capabilities that are

3:22:26 ↗ missing in the current ordinance that we

3:22:28 ↗ would get in the new ordinance other

3:22:30 ↗ than maybe some clarification

3:22:33 ↗ that would allow you

3:22:34 ↗ if we passed it to take action that you

3:22:36 ↗ couldn't today

3:22:39 ↗ we would have to

3:22:41 ↗ prove that it was a public nuisance

3:22:43 ↗ so

3:22:44 ↗ that would just be

3:22:47 ↗ a little bit more

3:22:50 ↗ work

3:22:51 ↗ to work towards that case

3:22:53 ↗ than if we were to make these clarifying

3:22:55 ↗ changes

3:22:56 ↗ so we could we could still move forward

3:22:58 ↗ with

3:22:59 ↗ um building the case that they're a

3:23:00 ↗ public nuisance without the the

3:23:02 ↗ clarifying language if uh we felt like

3:23:05 ↗ we needed to do that in the next three

3:23:06 ↗ weeks

3:23:07 ↗ yes but it would take longer and um

3:23:11 ↗ i i don't think you could probably get

3:23:13 ↗ it done within the next three weeks

3:23:14 ↗ you'd have to compile a lot of data to

3:23:16 ↗ try to i don't think if we pass the

3:23:18 ↗ ordinance you get it done in the next

3:23:19 ↗ three weeks either but that's another

3:23:21 ↗ story

3:23:22 ↗ cancel memory let me just add to that as

3:23:24 ↗ well um one of the things that i had

3:23:27 ↗ asked rachel to do was to review

3:23:29 ↗ these older ordinances to see if they

3:23:32 ↗ compared with other jurisdictions

3:23:33 ↗ because currently we are toothless

3:23:37 ↗ and the city administrator said we're in

3:23:39 ↗ a very

3:23:40 ↗ unique situation

3:23:41 ↗ upon talking with one of our national

3:23:44 ↗ retailers multiple times the only thing

3:23:48 ↗ that got a response at all in writing of

3:23:51 ↗ any kind of action plan

3:23:53 ↗ was the potential revocation of their

3:23:55 ↗ business license and even then the

3:23:57 ↗ potential the action plan that was

3:23:59 ↗ submitted was not followed

3:24:02 ↗ so i think the question before the

3:24:03 ↗ council is there's probably other ways

3:24:06 ↗ to do this they take time

3:24:08 ↗ and there will be hundreds of thefts in

3:24:12 ↗ the meantime with potential risks to

3:24:14 ↗ community members so

3:24:17 ↗ that that's what it boiled down to um

3:24:19 ↗ after starting this in october and

3:24:21 ↗ finding ourselves in january i am

3:24:23 ↗ frankly fed up i believe that public

3:24:25 ↗ safety has been just kicked to the curb

3:24:27 ↗ with this particular retailer with no

3:24:30 ↗ conscience whatsoever about the dangers

3:24:32 ↗ that it's putting our residents under

3:24:34 ↗ and their own staff in my personal

3:24:36 ↗ opinion

3:24:37 ↗ so um

3:24:39 ↗ i'm looking to see if oh councilmember

3:24:41 ↗ hunt has a question

3:24:44 ↗ thank you um

3:24:46 ↗ first one quick question so the this

3:24:48 ↗ section uh city attorney turpin that you

3:24:50 ↗ said you could just do without could you

3:24:53 ↗ clarify again what that is and could it

3:24:55 ↗ be done without an amendment or would we

3:24:57 ↗ have to make an amendment

3:24:58 ↗ and then second question before i forget

3:25:01 ↗ is um it sounds like the kinds of

3:25:03 ↗ concerns we have with the shoplifting

3:25:05 ↗ and the you know the the horrible

3:25:08 ↗ stories that people have shared about

3:25:10 ↗ things that have happened to them with

3:25:11 ↗ you know the potential the person who

3:25:14 ↗ approached somebody at their car and

3:25:16 ↗ those things those things all seem to

3:25:17 ↗ fall into the protection of public

3:25:19 ↗ health

3:25:20 ↗ safety peace or welfare and so i

3:25:23 ↗ wondered about morals because that one

3:25:26 ↗ seems so open to interpretation so

3:25:28 ↗ that's those are my two questions

3:25:31 ↗ good questions so

3:25:33 ↗ the

3:25:36 ↗ the first question about the language

3:25:39 ↗ that could be removed you you could just

3:25:42 ↗ do a motion to amend the ordinance to

3:25:44 ↗ remove that language and i believe the

3:25:46 ↗ city clerk already has the motion

3:25:48 ↗ prepped on that

3:25:51 ↗ and as far as the morals go that um

3:25:55 ↗ that's just typical

3:25:57 ↗ language actually believe it or not from

3:25:59 ↗ municipal codes uh cities are

3:26:02 ↗ granted the authority to regulate public

3:26:05 ↗ health safety and morals and so it's

3:26:08 ↗ it's pretty typical to see that phrase

3:26:11 ↗ uh used in these ordinances in fact

3:26:14 ↗ uh many cities their

3:26:16 ↗ their criminal codes essentially or

3:26:18 ↗ their codes that have their how their

3:26:20 ↗ nuisances and their crimes and

3:26:23 ↗ all their kind of those types of

3:26:26 ↗ those types of provisions they're

3:26:28 ↗ actually often called public

3:26:30 ↗ uh peace

3:26:31 ↗ safety and morals

3:26:35 ↗ it's just kind of a

3:26:38 ↗ municipal law term of art i guess i

3:26:41 ↗ would say

3:26:42 ↗ okay thank you but to clarify the the

3:26:45 ↗ kinds of concerns that we are talking

3:26:46 ↗ about would fall under the public health

3:26:49 ↗ and safety part of this okay thank you

3:26:53 ↗ thank you councilmember hunt

3:26:55 ↗ uh councilmember joe

3:26:57 ↗ thank you

3:26:59 ↗ just so we build the legislative history

3:27:01 ↗ uh city attorney uh turpin could you uh

3:27:05 ↗ ex

3:27:06 ↗ explain a little bit about section f

3:27:09 ↗ in particular i'm concerned about or i'd

3:27:11 ↗ like some more information about uh

3:27:14 ↗ become an instrument of or a cover for

3:27:18 ↗ public disorder crime unlawful

3:27:21 ↗ activities what exactly is meant by

3:27:23 ↗ cover as we're drafting this and putting

3:27:25 ↗ this together so that if it is

3:27:27 ↗ questioned we have some legislative

3:27:28 ↗ history to lean on

3:27:32 ↗ i think that cover means a front

3:27:34 ↗ it's not what's

3:27:36 ↗ typical may be going on in this

3:27:37 ↗ particular case but it would mean a

3:27:39 ↗ front for illegal activities essentially

3:27:43 ↗ um and as far as an instrument of

3:27:46 ↗ i think that

3:27:48 ↗ you know it's it's a tool of it's being

3:27:51 ↗ used by criminals it's being used by

3:27:53 ↗ criminals in organized retail theft that

3:27:55 ↗ kind of thing

3:27:57 ↗ okay so

3:27:58 ↗ just to be clear this section is not

3:28:00 ↗ necessarily directly

3:28:02 ↗ related to the discussion this evening

3:28:04 ↗ but

3:28:05 ↗ gives the city additional tools and

3:28:08 ↗ additional

3:28:09 ↗ instruments to handle future problems as

3:28:11 ↗ we look at the horizon a little bit

3:28:14 ↗ correct if suddenly you have a business

3:28:16 ↗ that is

3:28:18 ↗ obviously engaging in

3:28:20 ↗ money laundering it becomes kind of a

3:28:23 ↗ you know

3:28:25 ↗ there's rampant crime involved with that

3:28:27 ↗ then that's you know it then we would

3:28:29 ↗ say it was a a cover or

3:28:32 ↗ their criminal activity and we would

3:28:34 ↗ say you know you can't operate this

3:28:36 ↗ business that is really not really a

3:28:39 ↗ not really a car wash that you're really

3:28:41 ↗ just

3:28:43 ↗ using to

3:28:44 ↗ funnel money through for legal purposes

3:28:47 ↗ that kind of thing

3:28:48 ↗ okay thank you very much

3:28:52 ↗ uh council president walsh

3:28:54 ↗ thank you i have a question on section e

3:28:57 ↗ um which reads has allowed failed to

3:29:01 ↗ prevent or failed to report to law

3:29:03 ↗ enforcement unlawful or criminal

3:29:05 ↗ activity occurring at the business

3:29:07 ↗ and so

3:29:08 ↗ as far as i understand it is not

3:29:11 ↗ a crime or criminal offense to

3:29:15 ↗ not report

3:29:18 ↗ a crime

3:29:19 ↗ is that correct that's correct

3:29:21 ↗ okay so

3:29:22 ↗ this section would therefore make it a

3:29:26 ↗ crime for a business

3:29:28 ↗ to not

3:29:30 ↗ if they did not report a crime sorry for

3:29:32 ↗ the cat in the background um

3:29:35 ↗ but it would not

3:29:37 ↗ apply so we would have different

3:29:40 ↗ laws and requirements for residents

3:29:42 ↗ versus businesses well it wouldn't make

3:29:44 ↗ it a crime

3:29:46 ↗ it would just mean that in order to

3:29:48 ↗ maintain your business

3:29:50 ↗ you should report this language but

3:29:53 ↗ there's no criminal penalties associated

3:29:55 ↗ with this

3:29:58 ↗ it's just a it's a regulatory measure

3:30:00 ↗ it's not criminalizing

3:30:03 ↗ anything

3:30:08 ↗ okay thank you it's just saying it's

3:30:10 ↗ it's essentially saying that they would

3:30:13 ↗ you would expect businesses to

3:30:16 ↗ work with law enforcement and once again

3:30:21 ↗ there will be

3:30:22 ↗ in any of these case instances

3:30:25 ↗ discretion would have to be utilized

3:30:29 ↗ and i don't think that the city has any

3:30:32 ↗ intention of revoking the business

3:30:34 ↗ licenses of

3:30:36 ↗ folks who

3:30:39 ↗ let

3:30:40 ↗ who don't call in every offense

3:30:42 ↗ i think what we're dealing with here is

3:30:48 ↗ retailers who

3:30:49 ↗ have made it a policy not to report

3:30:52 ↗ anything and are therefore

3:30:54 ↗ allowing their business to become

3:30:59 ↗ just a

3:31:00 ↗ crime

3:31:02 ↗ haven i guess is really the best i know

3:31:04 ↗ i keep using that term that's just what

3:31:06 ↗ i what it is

3:31:08 ↗ the center of

3:31:10 ↗ criminal activity in the city

3:31:15 ↗ and looking for additional questions are

3:31:17 ↗ there any more questions and there we go

3:31:20 ↗ council member

3:31:22 ↗ um thanks i'm curious about rachel's

3:31:25 ↗ comment about

3:31:26 ↗ um

3:31:29 ↗ what's what was the word discretion and

3:31:31 ↗ do we run into any problem with equal

3:31:33 ↗ protection so if we've got one vendor

3:31:35 ↗ one business who we don't like

3:31:37 ↗ so we we hold them to a different

3:31:39 ↗ standard than another business that we

3:31:42 ↗ we don't think is as egregious or

3:31:44 ↗ something are we setting ourselves up

3:31:46 ↗ for

3:31:47 ↗ some um challenges down the road

3:31:50 ↗ so i mean i think part of my part my

3:31:52 ↗ concern is just me frame this is um

3:31:57 ↗ things are left up to discretion are

3:31:59 ↗ also left up to interpretation and then

3:32:01 ↗ down the road it gets interpreted badly

3:32:03 ↗ and then we're in a kind of a

3:32:04 ↗ uh a place we don't want to be

3:32:07 ↗ yeah that's a really good question and

3:32:09 ↗ yes if you were to

3:32:11 ↗ discriminatorily

3:32:13 ↗ enforce this ordinance then

3:32:16 ↗ you would you could run into issues if

3:32:18 ↗ you were to abuse your discretion but

3:32:22 ↗ that would

3:32:23 ↗ require you to abuse the discretion

3:32:25 ↗ there's nothing wrong with utilizing

3:32:27 ↗ discretion in fact

3:32:29 ↗ like i said before

3:32:32 ↗ there are many many many discretionary

3:32:35 ↗ decisions that are left to local

3:32:36 ↗ government that and ex

3:32:39 ↗ municipal officials exercise discretion

3:32:41 ↗ on a daily basis

3:32:43 ↗ the issaquah municipal code is full of

3:32:46 ↗ instances where staff have to access

3:32:48 ↗ exercise discretion in most cases it

3:32:51 ↗ works out fine it's when they abuse it

3:32:54 ↗ and

3:32:55 ↗ they you know you of course you can't

3:32:57 ↗ just say you yes you would not be able

3:32:59 ↗ to treat one retailer differently just

3:33:01 ↗ because you don't like them

3:33:02 ↗ but you can certainly use your

3:33:05 ↗ discretion in terms of

3:33:07 ↗ you know the severity of

3:33:09 ↗ conduct that you're concerned with the

3:33:11 ↗ types of crimes you're concerned with

3:33:13 ↗ you know that kind of thing

3:33:16 ↗ great thanks rachel

3:33:19 ↗ i'm not seeing any other questions uh

3:33:22 ↗ and uh rachel i just want to correct um

3:33:25 ↗ the amendment that you were suggesting

3:33:27 ↗ that council consider is actually not in

3:33:30 ↗ the chat right now what is in the chat

3:33:32 ↗ right now i think i thought that the the

3:33:34 ↗ clerk had it sorry i

3:33:36 ↗ will find it

3:33:37 ↗ i i have that amendment i just um i was

3:33:40 ↗ waiting until there was a motion uh a

3:33:42 ↗ main motion offered but i'll go ahead

3:33:44 ↗ and put the amendment in the chat uh no

3:33:46 ↗ actually i

3:33:48 ↗ i think you're you're

3:33:49 ↗ you're doing it in the right sequencing

3:33:51 ↗ clerk so i think what we'll do is we'll

3:33:53 ↗ see if there is anybody making wanting

3:33:56 ↗ to make a main motion

3:33:57 ↗ uh council president walsh

3:34:01 ↗ okay i'm finding my

3:34:03 ↗ piece um i move to postpone

3:34:06 ↗ consideration of ordinance number

3:34:11 ↗ what's the

3:34:13 ↗ ordinance number 4968.

3:34:16 ↗ 2968

3:34:18 ↗ to a date certain

3:34:19 ↗ [Music]

3:34:25 ↗ councilmember hall i'll second that

3:34:28 ↗ motion

3:34:30 ↗ okay and council president uh walsh

3:34:33 ↗ would you like to speak to that motion

3:34:36 ↗ yes thank you um i think we have heard

3:34:39 ↗ many many emails from the business

3:34:41 ↗ community as well as the

3:34:44 ↗ residents who are obviously concerned

3:34:46 ↗ about this they're concerned both with

3:34:48 ↗ the situation that's happening at

3:34:50 ↗ national retailers and the increase in

3:34:53 ↗ crime as well as

3:34:56 ↗ the way that we handle writing our

3:34:59 ↗ legislation and

3:35:00 ↗ the way the process through which

3:35:03 ↗ we involve the community in those

3:35:06 ↗ conversations

3:35:07 ↗ and as i look at this

3:35:11 ↗ um

3:35:12 ↗ [Music]

3:35:13 ↗ this ordinance i am not i'm seeing a lot

3:35:16 ↗ i don't like about it

3:35:18 ↗ um i'm seeing a lot of

3:35:20 ↗ uh

3:35:21 ↗ abilities granted to the city and the

3:35:24 ↗ administration and yes we absolutely

3:35:27 ↗ do use our discretion um on things but

3:35:30 ↗ i'm seeing a lot of uh potential

3:35:32 ↗ conflict points

3:35:34 ↗ and so i would like uh to give an

3:35:37 ↗ opportunity for the council and the

3:35:40 ↗ public to

3:35:42 ↗ have more conversation on this

3:35:45 ↗ particularly because this ordinance was

3:35:48 ↗ released right before a holiday weekend

3:35:51 ↗ which has not given the public a lot of

3:35:53 ↗ opportunity to engage with this

3:35:57 ↗ so i would like to postpone this

3:36:00 ↗ to a later date for those reasons

3:36:03 ↗ thank you

3:36:04 ↗ council member marks with a question

3:36:07 ↗ or comment sorry

3:36:09 ↗ a comment thanks uh respectfully

3:36:13 ↗ i think we need to get this done tonight

3:36:16 ↗ we need to stop looking like prey

3:36:19 ↗ important 2020 black lives matter and

3:36:22 ↗ public safety conversations

3:36:24 ↗ unfortunately it started to confuse

3:36:26 ↗ equity concerns in progressive

3:36:28 ↗ communities with being soft or apathetic

3:36:30 ↗ towards public safety nobody in our city

3:36:32 ↗ thought that but unfortunately

3:36:34 ↗ bad people did

3:36:36 ↗ we're not soft on public safety

3:36:39 ↗ public safety is a bedrock in this

3:36:40 ↗ community and businesses that don't care

3:36:42 ↗ about public safety

3:36:44 ↗ aren't welcome in issaquah

3:36:46 ↗ we need to be a place where if you play

3:36:48 ↗ stupid games you win stupid prizes

3:36:51 ↗ let's start tomorrow

3:36:53 ↗ thank you

3:37:02 ↗ did i mute myself or not

3:37:05 ↗ yeah uh thank you councilmember martz

3:37:07 ↗ councilmember g michelle with a comment

3:37:10 ↗ uh thank you mayor paulie um

3:37:14 ↗ i am

3:37:15 ↗ uh i'm going to also oppose this motion

3:37:18 ↗ although

3:37:19 ↗ i certainly came into this evening

3:37:22 ↗ with many concerns about

3:37:25 ↗ um it being placed on the

3:37:28 ↗ uh the ordinance being placed on the

3:37:30 ↗ agenda without our usual uh many touches

3:37:33 ↗ on it

3:37:34 ↗ and uh conversation but i

3:37:37 ↗ think that i've been convinced by the

3:37:40 ↗ the stories we heard tonight

3:37:42 ↗ uh during public comment um

3:37:45 ↗ and uh it does feel as though the

3:37:48 ↗ situation is escalating

3:37:51 ↗ from

3:37:52 ↗ what we heard

3:37:53 ↗ uh 10 years ago about deaths of alcohol

3:37:56 ↗ not being prosecuted

3:37:58 ↗ and then

3:38:00 ↗ eight years ago

3:38:02 ↗ major crime moving into

3:38:04 ↗ thievery of alcohol

3:38:06 ↗ and now tv sets going and electronics

3:38:10 ↗ going

3:38:11 ↗ and then people being confronted in

3:38:14 ↗ parking lots and being threatened

3:38:16 ↗ um i

3:38:17 ↗ i feel like

3:38:20 ↗ three weeks from now if someone were

3:38:22 ↗ hurt or

3:38:24 ↗ suffered really adverse uh effects

3:38:27 ↗ uh and we let that go for three more

3:38:30 ↗ weeks i i don't think that i

3:38:32 ↗ could feel really

3:38:34 ↗ comfortable about that so

3:38:36 ↗ um i'm gonna take um the

3:38:38 ↗ administration's pledged to continue to

3:38:41 ↗ work with the business community

3:38:43 ↗ uh and perhaps come back with a revised

3:38:46 ↗ bill in a few weeks

3:38:48 ↗ but i think we need something right now

3:38:51 ↗ in case

3:38:52 ↗ the situation really starts to get out

3:38:54 ↗ of hand so

3:38:55 ↗ um i

3:38:57 ↗ very much respect uh the

3:38:59 ↗ council members who are supporting uh

3:39:01 ↗ delaying and i understand the reasons

3:39:03 ↗ why but i don't think i can live with

3:39:05 ↗ that so i'm going to vote no on this

3:39:07 ↗ amendment

3:39:10 ↗ thank you council member g michelle um

3:39:12 ↗ city administrator bob quiz did you turn

3:39:14 ↗ your camera on

3:39:16 ↗ or was it on it's been on okay sorry

3:39:19 ↗ about that just want to make sure uh

3:39:21 ↗ going to council member hall

3:39:24 ↗ uh thank you councilmember hall here um

3:39:26 ↗ you know i i really really want to get

3:39:29 ↗ to a place where i can sport this

3:39:31 ↗ tonight and it's clear to me um both

3:39:33 ↗ from

3:39:34 ↗ feedback from the community and

3:39:36 ↗ direction from the administration that

3:39:38 ↗ it's an issue in need of immediate

3:39:39 ↗ action but i don't i just i'm not there

3:39:42 ↗ yet i'm not comfortable voting on eye on

3:39:44 ↗ this yet i think um

3:39:47 ↗ that we did get some feedback from the

3:39:50 ↗ chamber about that first section but i

3:39:52 ↗ feel

3:39:52 ↗ as if they need um they in the business

3:39:55 ↗ community need more time to look at this

3:39:58 ↗ my sense is that they were able to read

3:40:00 ↗ that first line

3:40:01 ↗ and not necessarily get into the details

3:40:03 ↗ since it had it just had recently been

3:40:06 ↗ published

3:40:07 ↗ so

3:40:08 ↗ um

3:40:09 ↗ i think there's more to work through on

3:40:11 ↗ that especially because a lot of the

3:40:12 ↗ language is repeated and identical

3:40:14 ↗ throughout the rest of the ordinance i

3:40:17 ↗ also think that this concept of use of

3:40:19 ↗ discretion while

3:40:21 ↗ um

3:40:23 ↗ is very prevalent throughout municipal

3:40:25 ↗ governments and i appreciate that

3:40:27 ↗ explanation um doesn't necessarily mean

3:40:29 ↗ that it has to and i think with

3:40:32 ↗ um

3:40:33 ↗ our

3:40:34 ↗ equity training hats on it's important

3:40:37 ↗ to

3:40:38 ↗ get into that a little deeper and

3:40:41 ↗ while i would never dream anyone in this

3:40:43 ↗ administration or anyone on this council

3:40:46 ↗ would seek to do harm to any business

3:40:48 ↗ for any reason by using discretion um i

3:40:52 ↗ am not comfortable ruling that out for

3:40:54 ↗ future

3:40:55 ↗ administrations

3:40:57 ↗ um for future councils i i think that

3:40:59 ↗ that is an issue that needs to be talked

3:41:01 ↗ about more up here and so i'll be

3:41:03 ↗ supporting uh this motion to delay

3:41:06 ↗ tonight thanks

3:41:08 ↗ thank you councilmember hall

3:41:09 ↗ councilmember ray

3:41:11 ↗ thank you mayor paulie

3:41:12 ↗ um i have so many uh thoughts so i will

3:41:16 ↗ try and check them out in some coherent

3:41:17 ↗ manner um the first one is i agree with

3:41:20 ↗ council member march that law and order

3:41:22 ↗ is a hallmark and public safety is a

3:41:24 ↗ hallmark of our community and one we

3:41:25 ↗ can't for

3:41:27 ↗ forego i also agree that our businesses

3:41:29 ↗ are a cornerstone of our community

3:41:32 ↗ and they also represent a huge uh

3:41:34 ↗ revenue source for us just putting on my

3:41:36 ↗ fiscal app for a half a second and and

3:41:39 ↗ something that we can't um lose sight of

3:41:43 ↗ that being said i also think that we

3:41:46 ↗ have a bad actor in town and i you know

3:41:48 ↗ i know we're trying to to wander around

3:41:50 ↗ that tactfully but um i don't want to

3:41:54 ↗ feel the need to rush into

3:41:57 ↗ some legislation that is clear that our

3:42:00 ↗ business community has more than one

3:42:03 ↗ sense of angst and apprehension about

3:42:07 ↗ because of that so i think taking a few

3:42:10 ↗ weeks and

3:42:12 ↗ i agree with council member d michelle

3:42:14 ↗ if something were to happen and it was

3:42:16 ↗ because

3:42:17 ↗ we had a bad actor

3:42:19 ↗ then that would be hard to live with

3:42:21 ↗ that being said i don't think we're

3:42:22 ↗ going to be able to do anything with our

3:42:25 ↗ our friend the national the national

3:42:28 ↗ chain

3:42:29 ↗ in three weeks so i i understand the

3:42:32 ↗ urgency i completely

3:42:34 ↗ support the need to do something i just

3:42:36 ↗ want to do it right because what we

3:42:38 ↗ found with our code is we sometimes will

3:42:41 ↗ do something with the the best of intent

3:42:43 ↗ to go back and clean it up and then we

3:42:45 ↗ end up with title 18 and we got a

3:42:47 ↗ hodgepodge of stuff

3:42:49 ↗ and we never go back and clean it up

3:42:51 ↗ until it's a disaster so let's just take

3:42:54 ↗ the time let's engage the community

3:42:56 ↗ we've all said that that's really

3:42:57 ↗ important and let's do it right

3:43:00 ↗ thank you councilmember ray um rachel

3:43:02 ↗ could you address the timing question

3:43:05 ↗ on if the ordinance is passed when the

3:43:07 ↗ city would be able to use it

3:43:13 ↗ uh

3:43:14 ↗ well i think the effective date is 30

3:43:15 ↗ days

3:43:16 ↗ from now

3:43:21 ↗ thanks so um if the council were to

3:43:23 ↗ consider it in two to three weeks would

3:43:25 ↗ the effective date be 30 days from

3:43:27 ↗ that new date

3:43:29 ↗ yes so we're potentially pushing this

3:43:31 ↗ out six weeks

3:43:35 ↗ uh potentially pushing it out three

3:43:37 ↗ weeks because you'd have the the same

3:43:39 ↗ delay either way you'd have a 30-day

3:43:41 ↗ delay so it's a three-week potential

3:43:44 ↗ delay

3:43:46 ↗ council member hunt

3:43:50 ↗ thank you um i wondered we talked a

3:43:52 ↗ little bit with the last um the last

3:43:55 ↗ agenda bill about revisiting i wondered

3:43:57 ↗ what a potential revisiting of this

3:44:01 ↗ would could look like

3:44:04 ↗ given that it's both urgent because of

3:44:06 ↗ the need but also

3:44:08 ↗ the business community has expressed

3:44:12 ↗ wanting to have more time to

3:44:14 ↗ process and understand it so wondered if

3:44:16 ↗ there's a something we could recommend

3:44:18 ↗ for revisiting it

3:44:20 ↗ i can jump in on that i and i would love

3:44:23 ↗ desperately to rewrite all of chapter

3:44:26 ↗ 5.04

3:44:27 ↗ uh it's already on my list of of

3:44:30 ↗ chapters for us to

3:44:32 ↗ to go through and revisit

3:44:35 ↗ the timing of it will just kind of be

3:44:37 ↗ dependent on prioritizing the other

3:44:40 ↗ parts of your code that

3:44:41 ↗ i would like to

3:44:43 ↗ work on i really like to improve

3:44:45 ↗ municipal codes so

3:44:47 ↗ uh please don't tire of

3:44:49 ↗ of code amendments we're we're gonna

3:44:51 ↗ work on several of them together but

3:44:53 ↗ this will definitely be something that

3:44:55 ↗ will be revisited it's

3:44:57 ↗ it's on my radar now and i

3:45:00 ↗ won't forget about it

3:45:03 ↗ to remember hunt i had asked rachel over

3:45:06 ↗ the next six months to 18 months to

3:45:09 ↗ create this list that council would be

3:45:10 ↗ able to prioritize

3:45:12 ↗ based on a recommendation from rachel as

3:45:14 ↗ to which sections of code in their

3:45:16 ↗ entirety that you wanted to redo

3:45:18 ↗ but it will take some time as she's only

3:45:20 ↗ been with us since november

3:45:23 ↗ uh city clerk would like

3:45:27 ↗ thank you city clerk would like some

3:45:29 ↗ clarification before the vote is taken

3:45:32 ↗ yeah mayor i just wanted to clarify that

3:45:34 ↗ there wasn't a date or time frame in the

3:45:37 ↗ motion to postpone so the default under

3:45:40 ↗ robert's rules is is the next regular

3:45:42 ↗ council meeting which would be the

3:45:44 ↗ february 7th meeting so if there was a

3:45:46 ↗ desire to

3:45:47 ↗ have it postponed further out which the

3:45:49 ↗ council rules allow then that time would

3:45:51 ↗ need to be that date or time frame would

3:45:54 ↗ need to be specified

3:46:00 ↗ thank you for that

3:46:02 ↗ uh council president i think it's your

3:46:03 ↗ motion

3:46:05 ↗ uh defaulting february 7th is okay yes i

3:46:08 ↗ was going to say the administration has

3:46:11 ↗ clarified that there is room on that

3:46:13 ↗ calendar um agenda and that we could uh

3:46:17 ↗ move to that date as needed so yes that

3:46:20 ↗ date is fine okay and you also have a

3:46:24 ↗ comment

3:46:26 ↗ no that was me commenting on that

3:46:32 ↗ any other questions or comments before

3:46:34 ↗ we proceed to the vote

3:46:41 ↗ motion on the table

3:46:45 ↗ um

3:46:54 ↗ city administrator bob corps

3:47:00 ↗ madam mayor um

3:47:01 ↗ i know this is not standard practice for

3:47:03 ↗ the city council but

3:47:05 ↗ perhaps a brief recess would be an order

3:47:08 ↗ i think it might be useful for the city

3:47:10 ↗ attorney and myself to confer with the

3:47:12 ↗ mayor uh before there's a final vote

3:47:14 ↗ would the with the council consider a

3:47:16 ↗ brief five-minute recess

3:47:23 ↗ sounds good

3:47:25 ↗ so we will be going into a brief recess

3:47:28 ↗ at 10 50 and we'll reconvene at 10 55.

3:52:55 ↗ city clerk

3:52:57 ↗ um

3:52:58 ↗ so i'm going to

3:52:59 ↗ propose another option here i really in

3:53:02 ↗ good conscience after hearing testimony

3:53:05 ↗ and reading letters and talking with

3:53:06 ↗ residents since october about what's

3:53:09 ↗ been going on and hearing people in our

3:53:12 ↗ town say

3:53:13 ↗ that they won't go somewhere because

3:53:14 ↗ they don't feel safe

3:53:16 ↗ um

3:53:17 ↗ i

3:53:19 ↗ i'm just really disappointed at where we

3:53:21 ↗ are right now from a community safety

3:53:23 ↗ point of view i mean our number one job

3:53:26 ↗ if there was council interest or a

3:53:29 ↗ council member interest in putting a

3:53:30 ↗ sunset date on this ordinance with the

3:53:34 ↗ with the idea of allowing a

3:53:37 ↗ community engagement process with

3:53:39 ↗ businesses

3:53:40 ↗ residents etc to happen during a 90-day

3:53:43 ↗ period

3:53:44 ↗ to bring back a revised ordinance i

3:53:47 ↗ could live with that but the fact that

3:53:49 ↗ we are putting no teeth in it the fact

3:53:52 ↗ that we would allow criminal activity

3:53:54 ↗ that we know about that has threatened

3:53:57 ↗ and scared residents in our town to

3:53:59 ↗ continue is is just beyond belief to me

3:54:02 ↗ i mean it's astounding so i asked for um

3:54:06 ↗ council's consideration

3:54:08 ↗ or a council member to

3:54:10 ↗ consider proposing a motion that would

3:54:13 ↗ include a sunset date on this existing

3:54:15 ↗ ordinance so that we can at least deal

3:54:17 ↗ with the criminal highway that we know

3:54:21 ↗ exists in town the fact that we would do

3:54:23 ↗ nothing

3:54:24 ↗ is is just

3:54:26 ↗ earth shattering to me

3:54:28 ↗ just cannot believe that this is how we

3:54:30 ↗ would treat our community and treat our

3:54:31 ↗ residents who have come and told us that

3:54:33 ↗ they were scared that they were a

3:54:35 ↗ potential victim of a carjacking

3:54:38 ↗ we had a

3:54:42 ↗ shoplifter pull a knife

3:54:44 ↗ on

3:54:45 ↗ asset security at fred meyer last week i

3:54:47 ↗ mean

3:54:48 ↗ this is spiraling out of control

3:54:51 ↗ so i asked you to think about that right

3:54:53 ↗ now

3:54:54 ↗ and if anybody feels like making a

3:54:56 ↗ motion

3:54:57 ↗ to um adopt or would consider a motion

3:55:00 ↗ to adopt the original earnings i'd like

3:55:02 ↗ to hear you discuss that

3:55:07 ↗ mayor this is the clerk just to um

3:55:10 ↗ clarify we do we have the motion to

3:55:12 ↗ postpone on the floor so we'll want to

3:55:14 ↗ address that and then can address any

3:55:16 ↗ future motions

3:55:17 ↗ yep

3:55:21 ↗ so if council does not want to go on the

3:55:22 ↗ record not a single council member wants

3:55:25 ↗ to go on the record and make a comment

3:55:26 ↗ about it we will go to the vote

3:55:28 ↗ to do nothing

3:55:31 ↗ councilmember hunt

3:55:34 ↗ council president walsh followed by

3:55:35 ↗ council member hunt

3:55:37 ↗ thank you

3:55:39 ↗ um

3:55:40 ↗ the administration has previously stated

3:55:42 ↗ in this meeting that you could use the

3:55:45 ↗ ordinance that is on record tonight

3:55:48 ↗ or that is on record already

3:55:50 ↗ to

3:55:51 ↗ revoke a license

3:55:53 ↗ you have

3:55:54 ↗ done so with another business

3:55:57 ↗ you've stated that you could

3:56:00 ↗ use that to revoke a license

3:56:04 ↗ and that this

3:56:05 ↗ just further clarifies

3:56:08 ↗ while broadening that ordinance

3:56:12 ↗ i i would like

3:56:14 ↗ i would like to understand why

3:56:17 ↗ this

3:56:21 ↗ when the council and the community and

3:56:24 ↗ businesses have brought up

3:56:28 ↗ concerns about certain language that is

3:56:31 ↗ broadened

3:56:33 ↗ why

3:56:35 ↗ we would get

3:56:36 ↗ pushback

3:56:39 ↗ in

3:56:40 ↗ that situation

3:56:43 ↗ when

3:56:46 ↗ you

3:56:46 ↗ if your concern is

3:56:49 ↗ that

3:56:51 ↗ this needs to be addressed now

3:56:53 ↗ why not use the existing ordinance that

3:56:55 ↗ we already have

3:56:57 ↗ great question rachel

3:57:01 ↗ this would make it a lot

3:57:04 ↗ this would make the k the city's case

3:57:07 ↗ much better

3:57:10 ↗ and that's really all

3:57:11 ↗ i feel comfortable saying

3:57:14 ↗ in an open public meeting i don't want

3:57:16 ↗ to get into

3:57:17 ↗ the specifics of a case that we would

3:57:20 ↗ bring

3:57:23 ↗ i think uh council president walsh

3:57:27 ↗ the other case had to do with somebody

3:57:29 ↗ having a non-confirming use running a

3:57:31 ↗ dog kennel in an area not allowed we're

3:57:34 ↗ talking about public safety and health

3:57:36 ↗ here and this is why we suggested the

3:57:38 ↗ strengthening of this language

3:57:42 ↗ council member hunt

3:57:47 ↗ thank you well i agree with a lot of the

3:57:51 ↗ comments that council president walsh

3:57:53 ↗ has made earlier about the concerns that

3:57:55 ↗ we've heard from business community

3:57:57 ↗ wanting to really understand the

3:57:59 ↗ ordinance i think we have addressed

3:58:01 ↗ um

3:58:02 ↗ we have explained why we are taking

3:58:04 ↗ action um with or why we're considering

3:58:07 ↗ taking action with one touch and the

3:58:09 ↗ urgency and we've also heard you know

3:58:11 ↗ pretty heartbreaking

3:58:12 ↗ testimony even tonight and before um

3:58:15 ↗ definitely heartbreaking and so i also

3:58:17 ↗ understand uh mayor polly i also

3:58:19 ↗ understand your comments and so i um

3:58:23 ↗ if you know there's emotion on the floor

3:58:25 ↗ however

3:58:26 ↗ and why i asked about revisiting is

3:58:28 ↗ because i think that is

3:58:30 ↗ um

3:58:31 ↗ it gives the business community a

3:58:34 ↗ opportunity to work with us to

3:58:36 ↗ understand why um we would want to make

3:58:39 ↗ these changes it gives an opportunity

3:58:40 ↗ for comment it gives us an opportunity

3:58:42 ↗ to revisit it once we've lived with it

3:58:44 ↗ for a little while

3:58:46 ↗ i think that that is a is

3:58:48 ↗ um

3:58:49 ↗ that would be my preference that's why i

3:58:51 ↗ asked about revisiting it so i i will

3:58:54 ↗ if the motion

3:58:56 ↗ um not to be too hypothetical here but

3:58:59 ↗ uh if the motion

3:59:00 ↗ doesn't pass to postpone this um

3:59:03 ↗ uh yeah then

3:59:05 ↗ i would be interested in motion to to do

3:59:07 ↗ the revisiting because i think it um it

3:59:10 ↗ gives the business opportunity it shows

3:59:11 ↗ that we want to work with them but it

3:59:13 ↗ also shows the urgency of the public

3:59:14 ↗ health situation thanks

3:59:18 ↗ thanks member hunt uh councilmember mark

3:59:20 ↗ you told the city clerk that you would

3:59:21 ↗ like to comment but i will

3:59:24 ↗ yeah i sent it to the wrong i sent it to

3:59:26 ↗ the wrong place but um there's others

3:59:28 ↗ who still haven't gotten to speak for

3:59:30 ↗ the first time so i just wanted to just

3:59:33 ↗ offer my uh

3:59:36 ↗ colleague

3:59:39 ↗ member joe if he wants to speak before i

3:59:41 ↗ go a second time

3:59:45 ↗ thank you

3:59:47 ↗ um

3:59:48 ↗ i i was uh

3:59:50 ↗ probably going to vote

3:59:52 ↗ against the amendment

3:59:55 ↗ that's

3:59:56 ↗ currently on the table

3:59:59 ↗ for consideration i think that

4:00:02 ↗ the emergency situation or the urgency

4:00:06 ↗ of the situation

4:00:07 ↗ does require

4:00:09 ↗ us to take action

4:00:11 ↗ i think that having the provision of a

4:00:14 ↗ sunset period in there is a good idea

4:00:17 ↗ if possible i would like to see

4:00:20 ↗ that the sunset period coincides with

4:00:23 ↗ the rewriting of this section so that we

4:00:26 ↗ handle it all at once

4:00:27 ↗ and take it as a whole body rather than

4:00:30 ↗ trying to piecemeal it together as one

4:00:32 ↗ of the concerns that council remember

4:00:34 ↗ ray had so

4:00:37 ↗ for the motion

4:00:38 ↗ uh currently i would be voting against

4:00:41 ↗ the motion to set it over to a date

4:00:43 ↗ certain

4:00:46 ↗ council member joe i'm just going to

4:00:47 ↗ check in

4:00:48 ↗ and clarify your comment so by the

4:00:51 ↗ entire section

4:00:53 ↗ you are talking about

4:00:56 ↗ um

4:00:57 ↗ section 502

4:00:59 ↗ section 502

4:01:01 ↗ so let me just verify with rachel

4:01:04 ↗ so the revision of the entire section if

4:01:08 ↗ that were to become a priority

4:01:11 ↗ is 90 days an appropriate amount of time

4:01:15 ↗ oh just to revise this particular

4:01:18 ↗ section absolutely i i believe uh if i

4:01:22 ↗ understood um

4:01:24 ↗ council member joe correctly he meant

4:01:27 ↗ all of section 5.02

4:01:30 ↗ of the chapter

4:01:31 ↗ um i don't think that would be

4:01:33 ↗ unreasonable i'm just looking at how

4:01:34 ↗ long it is

4:01:36 ↗ really quickly here

4:01:41 ↗ oh it's o2 let's see

4:01:43 ↗ um yeah it's not it wouldn't be

4:01:47 ↗ it wouldn't be a huge overhaul okay

4:01:49 ↗ and

4:01:50 ↗ councilmember joe that was your intent

4:01:52 ↗ all of section 5.02

4:01:54 ↗ yes that was thank you madam mayor

4:01:57 ↗ well let me let me rephrase it it would

4:01:58 ↗ be easy for me to get a draft done i

4:02:01 ↗ guess it would depend on how much

4:02:03 ↗ process was after that but yes i could

4:02:07 ↗ get a draft done much sooner than that

4:02:10 ↗ city administrator bob quits

4:02:12 ↗ with uh council member

4:02:15 ↗ joe's request do you feel that 90 days

4:02:18 ↗ is feasible

4:02:20 ↗ absolutely

4:02:21 ↗ okay

4:02:23 ↗ uh next up is council member dean

4:02:26 ↗ michelle

4:02:27 ↗ councilmember

4:02:31 ↗ uh no i've already spoken i think uh

4:02:33 ↗ councilmember ray is next

4:02:35 ↗ you know what i was way up in the chat i

4:02:38 ↗ was back into motion so thank you very

4:02:40 ↗ much uh yes it is council member ray

4:02:42 ↗ thanks mayor paulie

4:02:44 ↗ um

4:02:45 ↗ just a thought about making sure that if

4:02:49 ↗ we're going to commit to 90 days and i

4:02:51 ↗ would think that would be awesome that

4:02:53 ↗ we do factor in any process that we want

4:02:56 ↗ to go through and that includes you know

4:02:58 ↗ economic vitality that means study

4:03:00 ↗ sessions that means public comment that

4:03:02 ↗ means plan you know not recreating

4:03:05 ↗ some of the uh

4:03:07 ↗ perfectly we're having

4:03:08 ↗ tonight so i just want to make sure that

4:03:11 ↗ that was the expectation it's not just

4:03:13 ↗ the drafting of

4:03:14 ↗ the revised ordinance

4:03:16 ↗ and councilmember let's confirm that

4:03:18 ↗ with city manager bob kowitz my

4:03:20 ↗ understanding is the same this would be

4:03:22 ↗ considered an emergency action to deal

4:03:24 ↗ with the crisis we have at hand but the

4:03:27 ↗ public process of a 5.02 update would be

4:03:31 ↗ a regular council

4:03:33 ↗ community development planning policy

4:03:35 ↗ commission review

4:03:37 ↗ administrator

4:03:41 ↗ the the question about planning policy i

4:03:44 ↗ don't know

4:03:45 ↗ that this would need to do that i heard

4:03:47 ↗ council member ray talk about economic

4:03:49 ↗ vitality

4:03:50 ↗ so i would imagine that there's a draft

4:03:52 ↗ from the city attorney's office in the

4:03:54 ↗ next 30 days

4:03:55 ↗ uh we could have that on

4:03:57 ↗ in um

4:03:59 ↗ march would then would have this come

4:04:00 ↗ back in april doing my math

4:04:03 ↗ i think that that's correct wouldn't it

4:04:04 ↗ be so um you know if we would say this

4:04:07 ↗ would be until april 30th

4:04:10 ↗ that's that's a couple days more than 90

4:04:13 ↗ days is that right i'm looking at rachel

4:04:16 ↗ she can't tell i'm looking at her

4:04:20 ↗ council member ray is that your question

4:04:21 ↗ then that that we would go with whatever

4:04:24 ↗ boards and commissions we needed regular

4:04:25 ↗ process yeah if we were going to commit

4:04:27 ↗ to 90 days i just want to make sure that

4:04:29 ↗ that commitment factored in

4:04:32 ↗ kind of normal uh legislative process

4:04:34 ↗ which

4:04:35 ↗ you know we we haven't followed on this

4:04:37 ↗ one so i just want to make sure we can't

4:04:38 ↗ do it again

4:04:39 ↗ okay

4:04:41 ↗ thanks

4:04:42 ↗ looking to see if there's anybody

4:04:44 ↗ additionally wanting to comment before

4:04:47 ↗ we go back to the motion that's on the

4:04:48 ↗ table

4:04:52 ↗ the motion on the table it's been moved

4:04:54 ↗ and seconded to postpone ordinance

4:04:56 ↗ number 2968 to a date certain

4:05:00 ↗ which by default would be the february

4:05:02 ↗ 7th council meeting city clerk can you

4:05:05 ↗ do the roll call vote

4:05:08 ↗ starting with council member d michelle

4:05:11 ↗ nay

4:05:13 ↗ deputy council president hall

4:05:18 ↗ council member hunt

4:05:22 ↗ council member joe

4:05:24 ↗ nay

4:05:26 ↗ councilmember marks

4:05:28 ↗ nate

4:05:31 ↗ [Music]

4:05:34 ↗ council president walsh

4:05:36 ↗ aye

4:05:37 ↗ that's three eyes

4:05:40 ↗ four nays

4:05:41 ↗ the motion fails

4:05:49 ↗ you're muted mayor

4:05:53 ↗ remember hunt the um the motion fails

4:05:56 ↗ three two four councilmember hunt did

4:05:59 ↗ you have a motion

4:06:04 ↗ i

4:06:05 ↗ um

4:06:08 ↗ clerk easier would you be able to

4:06:11 ↗ help me craft a motion that would

4:06:14 ↗ propose the ordinance and put a sunset

4:06:16 ↗ date on it for 90 days could i maybe i

4:06:18 ↗ just read the proposed motion in the

4:06:20 ↗ packet and add that language of 90 day

4:06:22 ↗ sunset at the

4:06:24 ↗ end i can i can we can just amend the

4:06:28 ↗ ordinance to add

4:06:30 ↗ a section that has the sunset set date

4:06:33 ↗ and i have one that i already wrote for

4:06:34 ↗ this what was the date that we

4:06:37 ↗ did we just want to say 90 days or do

4:06:38 ↗ you want to put in a specific

4:06:40 ↗ what was it what is the specific date

4:06:42 ↗ that would be

4:06:45 ↗ 90 days

4:06:46 ↗ 90 days is the intent okay i'll just say

4:06:49 ↗ well i was i was just calculating what

4:06:51 ↗ what the 90th day would be to put that

4:06:53 ↗ in to have the date but i can just say

4:06:55 ↗ 90 days

4:07:00 ↗ so rachel you're entering that into the

4:07:02 ↗ chat

4:07:03 ↗ i am

4:07:04 ↗ thank you um but i was going to ask

4:07:06 ↗ first did you

4:07:08 ↗ before you do that did you want to make

4:07:11 ↗ the

4:07:11 ↗ did we ever address the other amendment

4:07:14 ↗ potential amendment

4:07:16 ↗ i just wanted to make it not okay i just

4:07:19 ↗ want to make sure that

4:07:22 ↗ no one thought that that already

4:07:23 ↗ happened because it has not it's been

4:07:26 ↗ okay i'm putting it in oh i just

4:07:28 ↗ actually sent it only to here we go

4:07:32 ↗ um

4:07:33 ↗ i will ask in the name of expediting

4:07:35 ↗ this if we could also have that in here

4:07:38 ↗ for council's consideration that change

4:07:40 ↗ that was requested by the

4:07:44 ↗ chamber i believe

4:07:52 ↗ so rachel if you've posted it we haven't

4:07:54 ↗ seen it

4:07:55 ↗ i i just sent it to

4:07:58 ↗ okay

4:08:00 ↗ i

4:08:01 ↗ hold on i sent a decision and now i

4:08:03 ↗ realize i need to put the motion part in

4:08:05 ↗ it i wrote the sunset clause part move

4:08:07 ↗ to amend ordinance to add section

4:08:10 ↗ four

4:08:13 ↗ to read

4:08:16 ↗ okay there you go okay thank you and

4:08:19 ↗ clerk either can i do this all in one

4:08:21 ↗ motion

4:08:23 ↗ just to expedite things recognizing it's

4:08:25 ↗ eleven p.m

4:08:27 ↗ yes

4:08:28 ↗ yeah

4:08:29 ↗ okay um

4:08:33 ↗ all right

4:08:34 ↗ i am going to

4:08:35 ↗ move to adopt ordinance number 2968

4:08:38 ↗ amending section

4:08:40 ↗ 5.02.090 of the issaquah municipal code

4:08:43 ↗ regarding the grounds for revocation or

4:08:46 ↗ suspension of a city business license

4:08:49 ↗ and move to amend the proposed ordinance

4:08:52 ↗ to strike the portion reading

4:08:54 ↗ quote it is reasonably necessary in the

4:08:56 ↗ interest of protection of the public

4:08:57 ↗ health safety morals peace or welfare or

4:09:00 ↗ when

4:09:01 ↗ from the first sentence of section 5.0

4:09:04 ↗ 2.090

4:09:06 ↗ and move to amends the ordinance to add

4:09:08 ↗ section 4 to read this ordinance shall

4:09:10 ↗ remain in effect for 90 days after which

4:09:13 ↗ state the ordinance shall be repealed

4:09:17 ↗ thank you councilmember g michelle

4:09:20 ↗ second

4:09:22 ↗ so it's been moved and seconded um

4:09:24 ↗ council member hunt would you like to

4:09:26 ↗ speak to your mission

4:09:29 ↗ thank you i think um as i as i said

4:09:32 ↗ previously this gives the opportunity

4:09:35 ↗ for

4:09:35 ↗ um the business community to

4:09:38 ↗ work with the city which is really the

4:09:40 ↗ intent

4:09:42 ↗ and to

4:09:43 ↗ to

4:09:44 ↗ understand the so we can understand each

4:09:47 ↗ other better about what we want to do

4:09:49 ↗ and how we want to do this and and then

4:09:51 ↗ it also gives the city a tool to address

4:09:53 ↗ the public

4:09:55 ↗ safety crisis that we have heard

4:09:58 ↗ directly from residents about

4:10:00 ↗ in a more immediate fashion which i

4:10:02 ↗ think is important so

4:10:04 ↗ i think that this addresses both of

4:10:06 ↗ those to the best both of those needs to

4:10:08 ↗ the best of our ability and i hope that

4:10:10 ↗ my fellow council members agree

4:10:16 ↗ thank you council member hence um i'm

4:10:19 ↗ not seeing anyone else wishing to

4:10:20 ↗ comment uh councilmember michelle you

4:10:23 ↗ seconded would you like to comment

4:10:26 ↗ okay thank you

4:10:28 ↗ uh city clerk do i need to reread the

4:10:30 ↗ whole thing there hasn't been much

4:10:32 ↗ discussion it's just red video if you'd

4:10:34 ↗ like me to read it back into the record

4:10:36 ↗ i can't

4:10:40 ↗ before the clerk reads the motion uh

4:10:42 ↗ there's a question to the city attorney

4:10:44 ↗ i'd like to ask regarding the effective

4:10:46 ↗ date of the ordinance should the council

4:10:48 ↗ adopt it this evening

4:10:51 ↗ rachel uh would still be 30 days unless

4:10:53 ↗ an emergency is declared is that correct

4:10:56 ↗ that's correct and you'd have to make

4:10:57 ↗ another

4:10:58 ↗ uh amendment to the ordinance to change

4:11:01 ↗ the effective date to declare the

4:11:03 ↗ emergency

4:11:04 ↗ and make it effective immediately

4:11:06 ↗ otherwise the action the council is

4:11:08 ↗ taking is 30 days

4:11:10 ↗ effective after tonight so rachel would

4:11:12 ↗ you mind explaining just briefly what

4:11:15 ↗ what fine

4:11:16 ↗ kind of finding the council would need

4:11:18 ↗ to make to adopt the ordinance as an

4:11:20 ↗ emergency ordinance

4:11:21 ↗ you would need to make findings that

4:11:24 ↗ that a public

4:11:26 ↗ safety emergency

4:11:28 ↗ exists

4:11:29 ↗ in the city of issaquah

4:11:31 ↗ due

4:11:32 ↗ to um

4:11:34 ↗ [Music]

4:11:36 ↗ excessive crime

4:11:38 ↗ originating from

4:11:40 ↗ local businesses

4:11:42 ↗ and that it you know it's threatening

4:11:44 ↗ the

4:11:45 ↗ public safety essentially

4:11:47 ↗ i just want to make a couple talking

4:11:49 ↗ points on that

4:11:52 ↗ rachel could you explain the process a

4:11:53 ↗ little more findings of fact is a legal

4:11:55 ↗ term it's a it's a

4:11:58 ↗ document that the council adopts that

4:12:00 ↗ explains the rationale for making a

4:12:02 ↗ decision

4:12:03 ↗ yes and we wouldn't have to do full-on

4:12:05 ↗ findings of fact in this we would just

4:12:07 ↗ have to put an emergency clause that

4:12:10 ↗ just explains that since this is an

4:12:12 ↗ emergency

4:12:15 ↗ we it's going to become effective

4:12:17 ↗ immediately ideally

4:12:18 ↗ we would have if we were we're going to

4:12:21 ↗ pass it as an emergency ordinance um i i

4:12:23 ↗ should have put in some

4:12:25 ↗ emergency whereas clauses but we can

4:12:27 ↗ stick it in a section it's it's just as

4:12:30 ↗ effective in a section as it is in a

4:12:32 ↗ warehouse class

4:12:34 ↗ so i would kind of like to get the

4:12:36 ↗ council feedback on it um

4:12:40 ↗ whether or not immediately implementing

4:12:43 ↗ this is something that they also are

4:12:45 ↗ interested in doing or if the normal

4:12:48 ↗ 30-day process is acceptable council

4:12:50 ↗ member marks

4:12:52 ↗ so

4:12:53 ↗ we

4:12:55 ↗ we use the term

4:12:56 ↗ transparency a hundred times a year

4:13:00 ↗ our community has spoken loud and clear

4:13:03 ↗ on this

4:13:04 ↗ uh it's been boiling for a while it has

4:13:07 ↗ boiled over they're telling us this is a

4:13:10 ↗ crisis our police department is telling

4:13:12 ↗ us this is a crisis

4:13:14 ↗ our administration is telling us this is

4:13:16 ↗ a crisis

4:13:18 ↗ we should absolutely implement it

4:13:20 ↗ immediately use the language that's

4:13:22 ↗ appropriate we've this would have a

4:13:24 ↗ sunset but that we would be addressing

4:13:28 ↗ what we are hearing from our

4:13:29 ↗ constituents immediately thank you

4:13:36 ↗ so there is no amendment on the table i

4:13:39 ↗ just want to give the council members an

4:13:42 ↗ opportunity because we definitely have

4:13:45 ↗ a lot of diverse voices tonight

4:13:48 ↗ anyone else like to speak to that

4:13:50 ↗ suggested amendment

4:13:53 ↗ or just thoughts

4:13:58 ↗ oh

4:14:02 ↗ and city clerk let me just do a

4:14:05 ↗ point here as well

4:14:06 ↗ um would it be more appropriate to uh

4:14:09 ↗ proceed with an amendment and then have

4:14:11 ↗ them share their thoughts or should i

4:14:13 ↗ just be letting the council

4:14:16 ↗ deliberate

4:14:17 ↗ under the main motion that's on the

4:14:18 ↗ table

4:14:19 ↗ what's more appropriate

4:14:23 ↗ i think a little a little bit of

4:14:25 ↗ discussion is okay um before formal

4:14:28 ↗ emotions on the floor

4:14:30 ↗ okay councilman and i would also just

4:14:32 ↗ wanted to

4:14:33 ↗ note for everyone too that

4:14:35 ↗ for the statute

4:14:38 ↗ i believe that an emergency clause or

4:14:41 ↗ emergency ordinance has to be passed um

4:14:44 ↗ by a majority of the council plus one

4:14:48 ↗ oh

4:14:49 ↗ so let me i'll pull it really fast and

4:14:52 ↗ see check my

4:14:53 ↗ my memory

4:14:55 ↗ thank you for

4:14:57 ↗ verifying that

4:14:58 ↗ uh councilmember dean michelle

4:15:01 ↗ uh thank you mayor paulie so um

4:15:05 ↗ i think i'm just asking for a

4:15:06 ↗ clarification more than a comment i

4:15:08 ↗ support

4:15:09 ↗ councilmember mark's uh comments um

4:15:13 ↗ so is the process here we need to make

4:15:16 ↗ another amendment we need to pass that

4:15:19 ↗ amendment and then we pass

4:15:21 ↗ the motion

4:15:23 ↗ okay

4:15:24 ↗ all right you're passing your

4:15:25 ↗ parliamentarian class yes

4:15:28 ↗ there is no amendment there is no

4:15:30 ↗ amendment right now and i think the

4:15:31 ↗ clerk will allow some limited discussion

4:15:34 ↗ otherwise we would have to be a little

4:15:35 ↗ more formal and put the amendment on the

4:15:37 ↗ table which has not happened right well

4:15:39 ↗ i would be willing to make that uh or

4:15:41 ↗ propose that amendment but i would like

4:15:43 ↗ subverting

4:15:45 ↗ also so uh maybe we could comment while

4:15:48 ↗ the clerk is preparing some warning for

4:15:50 ↗ us or

4:15:51 ↗ sure we have some other people who would

4:15:53 ↗ like to come comment so i think that'd

4:15:54 ↗ be fine councilmember hunt

4:15:59 ↗ um thank you so off the

4:16:01 ↗ um

4:16:02 ↗ you know i we hadn't gone into this ex

4:16:06 ↗ expecting the emergency piece and i am

4:16:12 ↗ um

4:16:13 ↗ currently uncomfortable with declaring

4:16:16 ↗ an emergency when we

4:16:18 ↗ know that there are different there's a

4:16:20 ↗ different um standard for that the

4:16:23 ↗ findings that were just mentioned i'm

4:16:25 ↗ not familiar with the process it's not

4:16:28 ↗ something that we often do so i don't

4:16:31 ↗ feel like i have the information

4:16:33 ↗ or the context around the process for

4:16:36 ↗ declaring the emergency

4:16:39 ↗ to be comfortable with that i do however

4:16:41 ↗ have

4:16:41 ↗ which is faster than we usually do

4:16:44 ↗ things i do have the confidence to go

4:16:46 ↗ forward with the main motion which is to

4:16:49 ↗ um to implement this tonight and then

4:16:51 ↗ there's that that period in which it

4:16:53 ↗ becomes implementing and i i would

4:16:55 ↗ imagine that um saying that council took

4:16:58 ↗ action and that we're gonna have this

4:16:59 ↗ tool you know because we we decided to

4:17:02 ↗ make the changes to the code is is also

4:17:04 ↗ a powerful thing um i think having that

4:17:07 ↗ that tool is is powerful so i that's

4:17:10 ↗ where i am and um

4:17:12 ↗ i i think

4:17:14 ↗ not

4:17:15 ↗ i don't think i can declare an emergency

4:17:17 ↗ without having thought through what i

4:17:19 ↗ need to know to declare an emergency

4:17:21 ↗ thank you

4:17:22 ↗ thanks

4:17:24 ↗ uh are there any other comments

4:17:29 ↗ and i will just circle back

4:17:34 ↗ okay i will circle back with

4:17:37 ↗ council member d michelle

4:17:39 ↗ are you still interested in having some

4:17:41 ↗ language

4:17:42 ↗ about adopting this as an emergency

4:17:48 ↗ um

4:17:49 ↗ it's 11 21.

4:17:53 ↗ so um

4:17:55 ↗ well i think for the purposes of clarity

4:17:57 ↗ we probably should do it and uh

4:18:00 ↗ so yes but i still need some wording to

4:18:02 ↗ to make the motion so

4:18:05 ↗ rachel is it possible to

4:18:08 ↗ put some language in there and rachel

4:18:10 ↗ also did let me know that this does

4:18:12 ↗ require the um

4:18:14 ↗ majority plus one

4:18:17 ↗ for the

4:18:18 ↗ rcw uh yeah

4:18:21 ↗ and yes

4:18:25 ↗ uh i'm just corresponding with the clerk

4:18:27 ↗ and that looks great and she has a

4:18:28 ↗ proposed motion prepared that i think

4:18:30 ↗ she'll pop into the

4:18:33 ↗ chat momentarily

4:18:44 ↗ do we want

4:18:47 ↗ although i suppose we ought to add the

4:18:48 ↗ language here let me let me just word

4:18:50 ↗ this myth just a little bit here sorry

4:18:52 ↗ it's

4:18:55 ↗ can't word smith into the chat box here

4:19:00 ↗ and madam mayor while the attorney does

4:19:01 ↗ that um i think it's prudent to uh

4:19:04 ↗ postpone the executive session that's

4:19:06 ↗ currently scheduled to another evening

4:19:08 ↗ so i've let staff that's been waiting uh

4:19:11 ↗ know they can go to bed

4:19:13 ↗ i think

4:21:30 ↗ travis we're here

4:21:32 ↗ we're just waiting a moment

4:21:35 ↗ quick drafting

4:21:54 ↗ no way

4:21:57 ↗ all right almost

4:22:06 ↗ okay

4:22:21 ↗ oh it seems like everybody's sending

4:22:23 ↗ messages to the host today councilmember

4:22:25 ↗ joe

4:22:26 ↗ comment

4:22:28 ↗ thank you i would just like some

4:22:30 ↗ clarification vladimir um

4:22:33 ↗ would it be your preference to have

4:22:35 ↗ uh

4:22:36 ↗ under when this motion comes up

4:22:39 ↗ uh council members

4:22:41 ↗ cite

4:22:42 ↗ specific facts and language

4:22:44 ↗ to outline the necessity for an

4:22:46 ↗ emergency is that the expectation

4:22:50 ↗ that is a great question for rachel so

4:22:53 ↗ uh once she has completed the edits that

4:22:55 ↗ she's proposing let's get her to talk to

4:22:57 ↗ that that's a very good question okay

4:23:00 ↗ thank you

4:23:03 ↗ okay please ask that question again

4:23:05 ↗ councilmember joe

4:23:09 ↗ city attorney turban is it the

4:23:11 ↗ expectation that

4:23:13 ↗ once this motion is is under

4:23:15 ↗ consideration that

4:23:17 ↗ you are looking to individual council

4:23:19 ↗ members to

4:23:21 ↗ build the facts so to speak the findings

4:23:24 ↗ of facts in a way so that

4:23:26 ↗ you have something we we have something

4:23:28 ↗ to cite a legislative history to cite to

4:23:31 ↗ justify

4:23:32 ↗ the adoption of an emergency is that the

4:23:34 ↗ expectation

4:23:37 ↗ yes i mean i believe that

4:23:40 ↗ this entire meeting i think does a

4:23:42 ↗ fairly good job of setting forth the

4:23:44 ↗ legislative history and the need for

4:23:46 ↗ this emergency action but it would be

4:23:49 ↗ helpful

4:23:50 ↗ if council members could weigh in on

4:23:53 ↗ that i think briefly at least a couple

4:23:57 ↗ and i'm assuming um rachel that that

4:24:00 ↗ means if the amendment passes so if the

4:24:03 ↗ amendment is new seconded and passes

4:24:06 ↗ you'd be looking for so then before you

4:24:08 ↗ pass the final amended ordinance then it

4:24:10 ↗ would be good to to add a bit of that

4:24:13 ↗ okay

4:24:15 ↗ uh thank you for that question council

4:24:17 ↗ member joe

4:24:19 ↗ um so the um

4:24:24 ↗ amendment is in the chat box if somebody

4:24:28 ↗ cares to make it i'm losing track but i

4:24:31 ↗ do not believe the amendment has been

4:24:32 ↗ made and seconded

4:24:36 ↗ i will make the motion thank you yes i

4:24:39 ↗ am i move to a men's section three of

4:24:42 ↗ the ordinance to read as follows

4:24:44 ↗ effective date this ordinance is

4:24:46 ↗ necessary for emergency protection of

4:24:49 ↗ the public safety and public peace and

4:24:51 ↗ shall therefore take effect immediately

4:24:54 ↗ and is there a second

4:25:02 ↗ councilmember mertz

4:25:03 ↗ second

4:25:06 ↗ um

4:25:06 ↗ councilmember g michelle do you want to

4:25:08 ↗ speak to the uh motion we've had a lot

4:25:11 ↗ of discussion back and forth already or

4:25:12 ↗ are you ready for the vote

4:25:15 ↗ um i will just recap what we've heard

4:25:17 ↗ this evening but also what we've been

4:25:19 ↗ hearing for

4:25:20 ↗ several months now

4:25:22 ↗ with

4:25:23 ↗ incidents of

4:25:24 ↗ people being accosted directly inside

4:25:27 ↗ stores

4:25:28 ↗ people being exhausted in

4:25:32 ↗ parking lots uh people uh

4:25:35 ↗ having to run and get help from police

4:25:38 ↗ officers because they feel threatened

4:25:41 ↗ multiple instances of

4:25:45 ↗ thefts

4:25:46 ↗ being

4:25:47 ↗ very publicly observed by members of our

4:25:50 ↗ community and so forth we have ample

4:25:53 ↗ evidence that the situation has spiraled

4:25:56 ↗ out of control

4:25:58 ↗ so i will be supporting the

4:26:00 ↗ motion are there any other council

4:26:02 ↗ members who would like to speak to the

4:26:04 ↗ motion

4:26:08 ↗ council my remarks

4:26:10 ↗ i'll just add that

4:26:12 ↗ residents have said public safety has

4:26:14 ↗ been deteriorating rapidly in recent

4:26:16 ↗ weeks

4:26:17 ↗ and the administration has tried and

4:26:19 ↗ failed to enlist effective assistance

4:26:22 ↗ from affected businesses

4:26:24 ↗ as further evidence of the emergency

4:26:30 ↗ council members any comments or

4:26:31 ↗ discussion council member hunt

4:26:35 ↗ thank you i have a question for city

4:26:37 ↗ attorney is um

4:26:39 ↗ in your opinion are those sort of

4:26:41 ↗ reciting of of what we've heard from the

4:26:44 ↗ community is that um

4:26:46 ↗ is that appropriate for findings for a

4:26:49 ↗ public health emergency or

4:26:51 ↗ or is it atypical i feel like i don't um

4:26:56 ↗ know the process very well

4:26:58 ↗ usually

4:27:00 ↗ usually

4:27:01 ↗ they would be set forth in whereas

4:27:03 ↗ clauses but there's no reason why they

4:27:05 ↗ couldn't be done orally it's not like

4:27:07 ↗ there's a legal requirement that they'd

4:27:08 ↗ be done

4:27:10 ↗ in whereas clauses it's really just the

4:27:12 ↗ council has to find

4:27:14 ↗ make a finding

4:27:18 ↗ so this this

4:27:20 ↗ should have the same legal weight it's

4:27:22 ↗ just in a different form

4:27:25 ↗ okay thank you

4:27:27 ↗ and madam mayor i think it would be

4:27:28 ↗ useful for the attorney once again to

4:27:30 ↗ explain

4:27:31 ↗ that this the difference between

4:27:33 ↗ an emergency ordinance and a state of

4:27:36 ↗ emergency or a public health emergency

4:27:40 ↗ this is a different kind of emergency it

4:27:42 ↗ is an emergency that is specifically

4:27:45 ↗ declared pertaining to a piece of

4:27:46 ↗ legislative action it is not saying that

4:27:49 ↗ the city of issaquah is in a larger

4:27:51 ↗ emergency or this is a public health

4:27:53 ↗ emergency

4:27:54 ↗ this is just a declaration to conform

4:27:57 ↗ with with the state statute

4:27:59 ↗ for the immediate effectiveness of an

4:28:02 ↗ ordinance

4:28:03 ↗ that's correct so understand that this

4:28:05 ↗ is this is a particular kind of

4:28:07 ↗ emergency does not

4:28:09 ↗ extend beyond the terms of the proposed

4:28:12 ↗ ordinance you're just saying that this

4:28:14 ↗ ordinance is necessary

4:28:17 ↗ to combat this particular emergency but

4:28:20 ↗ not

4:28:21 ↗ as as

4:28:22 ↗ it's necessary as an emergence it to

4:28:24 ↗ become

4:28:25 ↗ it's necessary that it become effective

4:28:29 ↗ immediately

4:28:30 ↗ yes emergently

4:28:42 ↗ thank you administrator thank you rachel

4:28:44 ↗ councilmember hall

4:28:46 ↗ uh thank you councilmember hall here um

4:28:49 ↗ i haven't spoken in a while since the

4:28:52 ↗ original emotion that failed so i

4:28:53 ↗ thought i would

4:28:55 ↗ walk counsel through

4:28:57 ↗ what i'm thinking at this point

4:29:00 ↗ um

4:29:00 ↗ [Music]

4:29:03 ↗ this is tough i mean this is tough it's

4:29:05 ↗ 11 30. it is an emergent

4:29:08 ↗ um immediate issue before our community

4:29:10 ↗ but i also believe that there are

4:29:13 ↗ equally

4:29:14 ↗ earth-shattering questions when it comes

4:29:16 ↗ to the equitable application of

4:29:19 ↗ discretion from the city

4:29:21 ↗ on a community and also

4:29:24 ↗ um

4:29:25 ↗ continued feedback and dialogue with

4:29:28 ↗ the business community i that being said

4:29:31 ↗ um

4:29:33 ↗ i feel comfortable

4:29:35 ↗ voting in favor of this amendment for

4:29:37 ↗ the emergency um

4:29:39 ↗ protection

4:29:41 ↗ uh or the emergency

4:29:43 ↗ effective date and the underlying motion

4:29:46 ↗ due to the 90-day

4:29:51 ↗ whatever it's called the 90-day sunset

4:29:54 ↗ that's where my head's at now thanks

4:29:55 ↗ guys

4:29:57 ↗ thank you councilmember hall are there

4:29:58 ↗ any more comments or

4:30:00 ↗ questions

4:30:03 ↗ councilmember

4:30:04 ↗ sorry to come in late um

4:30:07 ↗ i'm struggling with kind of this weird

4:30:09 ↗ feeling that i think this is

4:30:13 ↗ possibly a necessary action but far from

4:30:16 ↗ sufficient

4:30:17 ↗ to address the problems that we've heard

4:30:19 ↗ about today so

4:30:21 ↗ i

4:30:22 ↗ i don't know

4:30:24 ↗ uh how i feel about that and and whether

4:30:27 ↗ or not that affects my standing on an

4:30:29 ↗ emergency but if this is all we're going

4:30:31 ↗ to do we're not going to address the

4:30:32 ↗ problems so i just want to put it out

4:30:35 ↗ there this is a necessary step i believe

4:30:37 ↗ that to be true but this is not going to

4:30:39 ↗ be sufficient and we can't go and revoke

4:30:43 ↗ every businesses business license

4:30:45 ↗ because crime is happening in their

4:30:46 ↗ parking lot that's not the answer so

4:30:49 ↗ um

4:30:50 ↗ yeah great this is fine let's move

4:30:52 ↗ forward let's give the administration a

4:30:54 ↗ tool but i i need to see more than this

4:30:57 ↗ this is just not not doing it for me

4:30:59 ↗ particularly at 11 35 at night

4:31:03 ↗ thank you council member ray are there

4:31:05 ↗ any other council members who would like

4:31:06 ↗ to comment

4:31:12 ↗ okay

4:31:14 ↗ oh counsel president walsh

4:31:18 ↗ thank you

4:31:20 ↗ um

4:31:21 ↗ you know i really appreciate the nimble

4:31:23 ↗ work of trying to problem solve at 11 pm

4:31:26 ↗ at night

4:31:28 ↗ i really wish we could have

4:31:30 ↗ taken this

4:31:32 ↗ to

4:31:33 ↗ a community forum and a study session

4:31:37 ↗ and

4:31:38 ↗ i feel like we would have ended up with

4:31:40 ↗ better legislation here

4:31:43 ↗ um

4:31:44 ↗ i think

4:31:46 ↗ this is

4:31:49 ↗ this is a bad process and i think we're

4:31:51 ↗ getting bad legislation as a result

4:31:55 ↗ i think

4:31:56 ↗ quickly looking at

4:31:58 ↗ the

4:31:58 ↗ other

4:32:00 ↗ ordinances from other neighboring cities

4:32:02 ↗ i can see a lot more certainty there

4:32:04 ↗ provided to businesses

4:32:06 ↗ and

4:32:07 ↗ internal staff

4:32:11 ↗ about the process and the method for

4:32:12 ↗ appeal and everything

4:32:15 ↗ i also just have real concerns about

4:32:19 ↗ section e on this ordinance that's

4:32:21 ↗ proposed about requiring private

4:32:23 ↗ businesses to report criminal activity

4:32:26 ↗ to law enforcement or face the potential

4:32:29 ↗ their business license get gets revoked

4:32:32 ↗ i'm not sure that's what we want to do

4:32:34 ↗ from an equity standpoint

4:32:36 ↗ nor

4:32:37 ↗ am

4:32:38 ↗ i sure that's what we want to stand for

4:32:41 ↗ as

4:32:42 ↗ a city um and and so

4:32:46 ↗ this is a real tough situation i wish we

4:32:50 ↗ were not being put in this

4:32:53 ↗ situation um

4:32:57 ↗ to have to vote on

4:32:58 ↗ what i view as

4:33:00 ↗ fairly flawed legislation um

4:33:04 ↗ and and i

4:33:05 ↗ hate to make statements like that in a

4:33:08 ↗ public forum i wish i could have

4:33:10 ↗ resolved this

4:33:12 ↗ as we were working through the issues

4:33:14 ↗ before

4:33:15 ↗ legislation was written out but

4:33:18 ↗ that has not been the process presented

4:33:21 ↗ to us in this case so

4:33:22 ↗ [Music]

4:33:23 ↗ just wanted to comment on where my

4:33:25 ↗ thoughts are

4:33:28 ↗ thank you um would like to make some

4:33:30 ↗ comments as well

4:33:34 ↗ thank you i'll be brief i know it's uh

4:33:37 ↗ at the late hour

4:33:38 ↗ i just want to reassure that um on as

4:33:41 ↗ far as perspective from the police

4:33:42 ↗ department this is not by any means all

4:33:45 ↗ we're going to be doing we're going to

4:33:46 ↗ continue in working it's it's just

4:33:48 ↗ another tool as well to help affect some

4:33:51 ↗ of the things uh that are occurring

4:33:53 ↗ right now

4:33:54 ↗ as far as still working

4:33:56 ↗ on all those processes and with the

4:34:00 ↗ the sunset piece being in there the idea

4:34:02 ↗ is to implement something that tried to

4:34:05 ↗ and the attempt is to get action

4:34:07 ↗ immediately

4:34:09 ↗ as with many of the codes in our

4:34:13 ↗ certain

4:34:14 ↗ municipality we have that we have the

4:34:17 ↗ ability to enforce immediately we don't

4:34:19 ↗ go out and do that we work with the

4:34:20 ↗ community members to do whatever is

4:34:23 ↗ possible it's not like we're looking to

4:34:24 ↗ go out to every single business that is

4:34:26 ↗ having a crime or you know something

4:34:28 ↗ that didn't get committed by somebody

4:34:30 ↗ the idea is to encourage that again

4:34:33 ↗ it's a step process that

4:34:36 ↗ we're going to be going through these

4:34:38 ↗ steps and documenting and then when it

4:34:39 ↗ gets to a point if this is another tool

4:34:41 ↗ to get things and keep the safety of the

4:34:43 ↗ community

4:34:44 ↗ at large and the pnr

4:34:47 ↗ the people that visit our city as well

4:34:49 ↗ and so we want people to want to come

4:34:51 ↗ here and that's ultimately what it's

4:34:53 ↗ about it's not about just trying to be

4:34:55 ↗ the hammer or just trying to implement

4:34:57 ↗ another law it's literally just about

4:34:59 ↗ another tool in the toolbox to make sure

4:35:01 ↗ we can work all together along with

4:35:03 ↗ those people

4:35:04 ↗ and those merchants

4:35:06 ↗ to and business owners to be as

4:35:08 ↗ effective and being them good neighbors

4:35:11 ↗ in what you guys as a collective also

4:35:13 ↗ want representing the community

4:35:19 ↗ thank you swan

4:35:21 ↗ at the

4:35:22 ↗ um

4:35:23 ↗ chance of possibly getting in trouble

4:35:26 ↗ here um i know that councilmember martz

4:35:30 ↗ would like to do a second round comment

4:35:32 ↗ um i

4:35:34 ↗ no not you that's not going to get us in

4:35:36 ↗ trouble your comment

4:35:38 ↗ um council member walsh if the amendment

4:35:42 ↗ passes there are opportunities for

4:35:44 ↗ amendments that's the piece that i think

4:35:45 ↗ i'm going to get in trouble in if there

4:35:47 ↗ is a particularly alarming thing about

4:35:49 ↗ having property owners who have

4:35:52 ↗ uh

4:35:53 ↗ you know you can propose another

4:35:54 ↗ amendment

4:35:56 ↗ that

4:35:56 ↗ and see how it goes in terms of that but

4:35:59 ↗ anyway

4:36:00 ↗ it's late uh council member marks thanks

4:36:04 ↗ i'll be brief um i i want to address two

4:36:07 ↗ things that my my friend and colleague

4:36:09 ↗ and and council president brought up uh

4:36:13 ↗ and it's the thing on requiring

4:36:15 ↗ businesses to report crime if it makes

4:36:18 ↗ you feel any better about this that's

4:36:20 ↗ what we require of every store that

4:36:21 ↗ serves out or that sells alcohol right

4:36:24 ↗ now whether they all do it in a timely

4:36:26 ↗ fashion or not we require it and if we

4:36:30 ↗ believe we do that for a public safety

4:36:32 ↗ reason right and if we believe that

4:36:34 ↗ shoplifting is now becoming a public

4:36:37 ↗ safety crisis the way that teen drinking

4:36:39 ↗ is a public safety crisis then it should

4:36:42 ↗ be okay to apply a comparable

4:36:45 ↗ cure

4:36:46 ↗ to that problem the second thing is i

4:36:48 ↗ want to address this you know how did we

4:36:50 ↗ get where we are tonight and i'm just

4:36:52 ↗ i'm going to play the 12-year card here

4:36:54 ↗ just for a second um you know there is a

4:36:58 ↗ there is a thing some councils show up

4:37:00 ↗ and everybody knows what they're going

4:37:01 ↗ to say ahead of time and people just

4:37:03 ↗ speak to the bleachers and then make

4:37:06 ↗ their vote this is not that kind of a

4:37:08 ↗ council

4:37:09 ↗ i was i was telling you my battery is

4:37:12 ↗ low great uh this is

4:37:15 ↗ we respond to what we hear from the

4:37:17 ↗ community we respond to what we hear

4:37:18 ↗ from each other and it tonight affected

4:37:21 ↗ me in a way that i didn't anticipate and

4:37:24 ↗ and changed the level

4:37:26 ↗ uh of how i felt about what we were

4:37:27 ↗ going to do tonight what we heard from

4:37:29 ↗ the community and so none of us had

4:37:30 ↗ heard that before maybe the

4:37:32 ↗ administration hadn't heard it before

4:37:33 ↗ but if anybody wonders why it's all so

4:37:35 ↗ messy it's because all seven of us

4:37:37 ↗ listen to the community and listen to

4:37:39 ↗ each other and then make informed

4:37:40 ↗ decisions even when we disagree so just

4:37:43 ↗ uh just playing my little 12 year

4:37:45 ↗ observation thanks

4:37:56 ↗ checking for any other round two

4:37:57 ↗ comments before i call for the vote on

4:38:00 ↗ the amendment

4:38:04 ↗ giving it a few seconds

4:38:05 ↗ [Music]

4:38:08 ↗ okay i will read the amendment

4:38:10 ↗ the amendment

4:38:11 ↗ to the proposed motion amend section 3

4:38:14 ↗ of the ordinance to read as follows

4:38:15 ↗ effective date this ordinance is

4:38:17 ↗ necessary for emergency protection of

4:38:19 ↗ the public safety and public peace and

4:38:21 ↗ that they shall therefore take effect

4:38:25 ↗ immediately

4:38:26 ↗ uh city clerk can you do a roll call

4:38:28 ↗ vote

4:38:30 ↗ yes starting with deputy council

4:38:32 ↗ president hall

4:38:36 ↗ council member hunt aye

4:38:39 ↗ council member joe

4:38:41 ↗ aye

4:38:42 ↗ council member marks

4:38:44 ↗ aye

4:38:45 ↗ council member ray

4:38:48 ↗ no

4:38:50 ↗ council president walsh

4:38:53 ↗ aye

4:38:55 ↗ council member d michelle

4:38:57 ↗ aye

4:38:59 ↗ that's six eyes one no

4:39:02 ↗ i'm a city clerk um uh

4:39:05 ↗ vote in the affirmative would have to be

4:39:07 ↗ at least five

4:39:09 ↗ in favor and it's a six to one so the

4:39:11 ↗ amendment passes

4:39:14 ↗ uh mayor to clarify my understanding is

4:39:16 ↗ this amendment just required a simple

4:39:19 ↗ majority so it's been adopted but the

4:39:21 ↗ overarching ordinance because it's now

4:39:25 ↗ going to take effect immediately if

4:39:26 ↗ adopted requires a vote of five okay

4:39:29 ↗ thank you

4:39:31 ↗ um looking in the chat i'm a little bit

4:39:33 ↗ confused about what the next vote is

4:39:37 ↗ um

4:39:40 ↗ i believe it's the motion that's at 11

4:39:43 ↗ 14 p.m

4:39:44 ↗ in the chat clerk can you confirm that

4:39:50 ↗ i can confirm so i made the three

4:39:52 ↗ motions together that's one motion with

4:39:55 ↗ ands

4:39:57 ↗ yeah um

4:39:59 ↗ customer hunt if you can look at the 11

4:40:00 ↗ 1114 one i think that has all three

4:40:03 ↗ different motions

4:40:04 ↗ it does mayor that's correct

4:40:07 ↗ and council member nodded her head

4:40:11 ↗ um any other comments on this main

4:40:13 ↗ motion then before i reread it and call

4:40:15 ↗ for the vote

4:40:18 ↗ because i have to go back to the bottom

4:40:20 ↗ to see

4:40:22 ↗ okay

4:40:23 ↗ i'm not seeing any so i will reread it

4:40:25 ↗ before the vote

4:40:26 ↗ the motion on the floor is to adopt

4:40:28 ↗ ordinance number 2968 amending section

4:40:31 ↗ 5.02.090

4:40:34 ↗ of the issopa municipal code regarding

4:40:36 ↗ the grounds for revocation or suspension

4:40:39 ↗ of a city business license

4:40:41 ↗ and amending the ordinance

4:40:43 ↗ to strike the portion reading it is

4:40:45 ↗ reasonably necessary in the interest of

4:40:47 ↗ protection of the public health safety

4:40:49 ↗ morals peace and welfare

4:40:52 ↗ or when

4:40:53 ↗ from the first sentence of section

4:40:55 ↗ 5.02.090

4:40:57 ↗ and amending the ordinance to add

4:40:59 ↗ section 4 to read

4:41:00 ↗ this ordinance shall remain in effect

4:41:02 ↗ for 90 days after which date the

4:41:04 ↗ ordinance shall be repealed

4:41:07 ↗ city clerk can you take the vote

4:41:13 ↗ yes starting with council member hunt

4:41:15 ↗ [Music]

4:41:16 ↗ aye

4:41:18 ↗ council member joe

4:41:20 ↗ aye

4:41:22 ↗ council member marks

4:41:24 ↗ aye

4:41:25 ↗ [Music]

4:41:28 ↗ council president walsh

4:41:30 ↗ i

4:41:32 ↗ council member d michelle

4:41:36 ↗ deputy council president hall

4:41:38 ↗ hi

4:41:40 ↗ that's seven eyes zero knows

4:41:41 ↗ [Music]

4:41:43 ↗ thank you and with that special

4:41:44 ↗ provision on it having to be an

4:41:46 ↗ emergency ordinance 7-0

4:41:49 ↗ meets that

4:41:50 ↗ standard

4:41:52 ↗ thank you

4:41:53 ↗ thank you for the long conversation

4:41:56 ↗ the very very thoughtful questions

4:42:00 ↗ and

4:42:01 ↗ trying to find a script

4:42:07 ↗ the next item is good of the order and i

4:42:09 ↗ will keep eye on the chat box to see if

4:42:11 ↗ anyone has any comments for good of the

4:42:13 ↗ order uh

4:42:15 ↗ i will

4:42:17 ↗ talk about a few upcoming meetings and

4:42:19 ↗ then i'm going to hand it over to

4:42:20 ↗ council action i'm going to hand it over

4:42:22 ↗ to council president walsh right now to

4:42:24 ↗ talk about the 2022 city council

4:42:26 ↗ appointments

4:42:28 ↗ thank you mayor um i just want to call

4:42:31 ↗ everyone's attention to the council

4:42:33 ↗ appointments to the local and regional

4:42:35 ↗ boards

4:42:36 ↗ that are attached to our agenda in the

4:42:38 ↗ next week the clerk's office will notify

4:42:41 ↗ the boards and committees of your

4:42:42 ↗ appointments and we'll work to connect

4:42:45 ↗ you with the city staff contacts for

4:42:47 ↗ those boards and committees but you may

4:42:49 ↗ just want to take a moment to figure out

4:42:51 ↗ when that next meeting is in case that

4:42:54 ↗ contact takes a little bit of time to

4:42:57 ↗ happen

4:42:58 ↗ and then also included is the payroll

4:43:01 ↗ and payable schedule for 2022 and the

4:43:04 ↗ study session share schedule if you have

4:43:06 ↗ any questions please let me know via

4:43:09 ↗ email or text

4:43:11 ↗ thank you

4:43:13 ↗ um

4:43:15 ↗ there are some upcoming council meetings

4:43:18 ↗ january 25th is a

4:43:20 ↗ city council study session and it will

4:43:22 ↗ be the first of a two-part council

4:43:24 ↗ retreat the session will focus on

4:43:26 ↗ internal council operations and

4:43:28 ↗ structures

4:43:30 ↗ on february 1st there is a city council

4:43:32 ↗ study session which will be a focus will

4:43:34 ↗ be the second of the two park council

4:43:36 ↗ retreat and the session will focus on

4:43:37 ↗ the administration's proposed

4:43:40 ↗ 2022-23 work plan and an open public

4:43:43 ↗ meetings act refresher training on

4:43:45 ↗ february 7th there is the regular city

4:43:48 ↗ council meeting and the potential agenda

4:43:50 ↗ items include

4:43:51 ↗ a title 18 land use code 2022 process

4:43:55 ↗ update

4:43:56 ↗ as noted earlier in the meeting

4:43:59 ↗ the executive session this evening will

4:44:01 ↗ be rescheduled to a future date due to

4:44:05 ↗ the lateness of the hour

4:44:06 ↗ and so there being no further business

4:44:08 ↗ the meeting is adjourned at 11 47 p.m

4:44:12 ↗ good night everyone

Approved minutes

Extracted from the next meeting's packet, where this meeting's minutes were approved as a consent-calendar attachment.

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Attendance

Council / Members (7)

Barbara de Michele

Zach Hall

Victoria Hunt

Russell Joe

Tola Marts

Chris Reh

Lindsey Walsh

Motions and votes (8)

Adopt Ordinance No. 2967, amending the Issaquah Municipal Code by adding a new Chapter 8.30, shopping cart regulation.

Moved by WALSH · seconded by HALL

Amend [the ordinance for] AB 8037 by: Striking the sentence "The owner or owner’s agent must retrieve any lost, stolen, or abandoned shopping cart(s) within twenty-four (24) hours of the City providing such notice" from section 8.30.070, and striking section 8.30.110(3). Without objection, the amend…

Moved by MARTS · seconded by REH

Carried 6-1

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Chris Reh, Lindsey Walsh

Opposed: Hall

Amend Section 8.30.100, subsection (4), paragraph (a), subparagraph (iii), of the proposed Ordinance to add “and a deadline to submit a new plan for review” to the end of the second sentence and to add the following after the last sentence: “An Owner who fails to timely file a proposed plan or to ab…

Moved by DE MICHELE · seconded by HALL

Carried 7-0

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Zach Hall, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Chris Reh, Lindsey Walsh

Postpone Ordinance No. 2968 to a date certain [Feb. 7 Council meeting]. (

Moved by WALSH · seconded by HALL

Failed 3-4

In favor: Hall, Reh, Walsh

Opposed: Barbara de Michele, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts

Adopt Ordinance No. 2968, amending Section 5.02.090 of the Issaquah Municipal Code, regarding the grounds for revocation or suspension of a City business license; and amending the ordinance to strike the portion reading “it is reasonably necessary in the interests of protection of the public health,…

Moved by HUNT · seconded by DE MICHELE

Amend Section 3 of the Ordinance to read as follows: “Effective Date. This Ordinance is necessary for emergency protection of the public safety and public peace and shall therefore take effect immediately.” ( MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED CARRIED, 7-0.

Moved by DE MICHELE · seconded by MARTS

Carried 6-1

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Zach Hall, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Lindsey Walsh

Opposed: Reh

APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. a) ID 0967 - Accounts: Payables and Payroll of Jan. 18, 2022, $ 5,385,777.41; Approved. b) Minutes: City Council Regular Meeting, Dec. 6, 2021; Approved. c) Minutes: City Council Regular Meeting, Jan. 3, 2022; Approved. d) AB 8004 - Washington State Recreatio…

Moved by WALSH · seconded by HALL

Carried 7-0

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Zach Hall, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Chris Reh, Lindsey Walsh

Main motion as amended: APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. a) ID 0967 - Accounts: Payables and Payroll of Jan. 18, 2022, $ 5,385,777.41; Approved. b) Minutes: City Council Regular Meeting, Dec. 6, 2021; Approved. c) Minutes: City Council Regular Meeting, Jan. 3, 2022; Approved. d) AB 8004 - Wa…

Moved by (main motion as amended) · seconded by

Carried 7-0

In favor: Barbara de Michele, Zach Hall, Victoria Hunt, Russell Joe, Tola Marts, Chris Reh, Lindsey Walsh