City Council Planning, Development & Environment Committee · Tuesday, May 6, 2025 · City Council Digest

3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of April 1, 2025

packet pp.5–6

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 04-01-25 City Council Planning, Development & Page (1) Environment Committee Minutes CITY OF ISSAQUAH City Council Planning, Development & Environment Committee 6:30 PM Council Chambers, 135 E. April 1, 2025 MINUTES Sunset Way, Issaquah WA

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Capital Improvement Plan COM 0124

60 min · Andrea Snyder, Deputy City Administrator · packet pp.7–207

Topics: Budget

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0:00 ↗ Yeah. Uh, I'll get started when I see

0:02 ↗ the red on air

0:08 ↗ light. All right. Welcome everyone. I'm

0:10 ↗ Council Member Zach Hall and I'm calling

0:12 ↗ the May 6, 2025 City Council Planning,

0:15 ↗ Development, and Environment Committee

0:16 ↗ to order at 6:30 p.m. I'm joined by

0:19 ↗ Council President Walsh and Council

0:20 ↗ Member Jen. Uh, really quickly to run

0:23 ↗ through the agenda, we have public

0:24 ↗ comment and approval of minutes. And

0:26 ↗ then our only agenda item is COM 0124,

0:29 ↗ the capital improvement plan. Um, so the

0:33 ↗ first item on our agenda is public

0:35 ↗ comment. I don't see any members of the

0:37 ↗ public in the audience here in the room

0:39 ↗ with us, but I'll check in with the

0:40 ↗ clerk to see if there's any members of

0:42 ↗ the public online.

0:44 ↗ Chair Hall, uh, no one has signed up

0:46 ↗ prior to the meeting to speak, and there

0:47 ↗ are no members of the public online.

0:51 ↗ All right. um then we will move on past

0:54 ↗ public comment, but we do have another

0:56 ↗ opportunity for public comment after the

0:58 ↗ presentation from staff and council

1:00 ↗ question and answer. So, if you're

1:02 ↗ tuning in on YouTube and and can't wait

1:04 ↗ to join us later in the meeting, we will

1:06 ↗ have another opportunity for you to

1:08 ↗ comment. Um the next item on our agenda

1:11 ↗ is approval of the April 1st, 2025

1:14 ↗ meeting minutes, which were distributed

1:15 ↗ in advance. Um I did have a correction

1:18 ↗ to the minutes. I'm not sure if um

1:20 ↗ committee committee members saw this,

1:21 ↗ but I would wanted to propose the

1:23 ↗ following changes to add um that the

1:26 ↗ committee agreed with staff and PPC

1:28 ↗ recommendations uh to remove the word

1:30 ↗ temporary from exempt frontage

1:32 ↗ improvements for middle housing

1:33 ↗ temporarily and change match existing

1:36 ↗ frontage use for future infill to

1:38 ↗ consider matching existing frontage use

1:41 ↗ for future infill as council discusses

1:43 ↗ street standards updates. And I just

1:45 ↗ thought that meant uh that captured our

1:47 ↗ conversation a bit more. Any objections

1:48 ↗ to making those

1:50 ↗ changes? Okay. Uh any objections to

1:53 ↗ approving by unanimous consent to the

1:56 ↗ minutes? All right. Then um hearing

1:58 ↗ none, the April 1st, 2025 meeting

2:00 ↗ minutes are approved as

2:02 ↗ corrected. Um the next item on our

2:05 ↗ agenda is column 0124, the capital

2:07 ↗ improvement plan. Um brought to us by

2:10 ↗ our very own deputy city administrator,

2:12 ↗ Andrea Snyder. So Andrea, take it away.

2:16 ↗ Thank you, Council Member Hall. I am

2:19 ↗ Andrea Snyder and with me I have a whole

2:23 ↗ team of people who have helped shape uh

2:27 ↗ the storm water section of the CIP and a

2:30 ↗ few other sections as well. They are

2:33 ↗ here to help present and answer any

2:35 ↗ questions that you might have.

2:37 ↗ Um so um

2:41 ↗ uh I wanted to first talk about the

2:44 ↗ capital improvement plan and the years

2:46 ↗ and the changes of the years. So 2027

2:48 ↗ through 2032. It is only 2025 right now.

2:52 ↗ Um the reason why we have shifted the

2:54 ↗ capital improvement plan years to uh and

2:57 ↗ to really skip 2026 in this instance is

3:01 ↗ because we wanted to better align it

3:02 ↗ with the budget years. So moving from an

3:06 ↗ annual budget to a bianial budget,

3:08 ↗ council just adopted the 25 2025 to 2026

3:13 ↗ budget. Um, so we wanted to better align

3:15 ↗ the capital improvement plan with the

3:18 ↗ budget cycle and not have a capital

3:20 ↗ improvement plan that only captured half

3:22 ↗ of the budget cycle. It's a bit awkward

3:24 ↗ and also redundant since those budget

3:26 ↗ decisions were already made by council.

3:28 ↗ So that's why we shifted it back a year

3:30 ↗ to cover 2027 through 2032. What that

3:33 ↗ means is we're looking farther into the

3:36 ↗ time horizon than what we have typically

3:38 ↗ done in a CIP. Um but in the future uh

3:42 ↗ this will um just make more sense as

3:45 ↗ it's better aligned with our banial

3:49 ↗ budget. So the purpose of this evening

3:51 ↗ is to review our two-year update to the

3:55 ↗ CIP specifically on storm water. That's

3:58 ↗ what the task of this committee is.

4:00 ↗ We've talked a little bit about what

4:02 ↗ that budget process or I'm sorry the

4:04 ↗ capital improvement plan process is

4:05 ↗ going to be. Tonight we're focused on

4:07 ↗ storm water. Next week is uh mobility

4:09 ↗ and infrastructure looking at

4:11 ↗ transportation and other utilities. Um

4:14 ↗ and uh then safety services and parks

4:17 ↗ will cover parks, facilities, and IT.

4:21 ↗ And then all of council will get

4:22 ↗ together at the committee of the whole

4:24 ↗ in the beginning of June to cover all

4:26 ↗ topics of um the CIP together. But

4:29 ↗ tonight, we're really just focused on

4:30 ↗ storm water. Uh we also want to ask for

4:33 ↗ feedback on what council's priorities in

4:35 ↗ storm water may

4:44 ↗ be. Direction needed tonight is whether

4:47 ↗ council has feedback on the proposed

4:49 ↗ storm water projects. And one of the

4:51 ↗ things we want to refer back to is we

4:53 ↗ had a previous conversation with council

4:56 ↗ at a previous committee of the whole

4:58 ↗ talking about the utility rate study and

5:01 ↗ storm water specifically. Um we have

5:03 ↗ been concerned about increasing utility

5:05 ↗ rates and the cost of living in the city

5:08 ↗ of Isiqua and how those utility rates

5:10 ↗ contribute to the cost of living for our

5:11 ↗ residents and businesses. And so, uh,

5:14 ↗ previous direction that we'd received

5:16 ↗ from council is, um, to try to smooth

5:18 ↗ out those utility rate increases, focus

5:21 ↗ on priorities of what are the urgent

5:23 ↗ things that we must do in order to, um,

5:26 ↗ properly provide for that storm water

5:29 ↗ utility, clean the storm water according

5:30 ↗ to state regulations, etc. Um, what that

5:33 ↗ means is some projects that maybe had

5:36 ↗ more of an emphasis on habitat

5:38 ↗ restoration related to storm water

5:40 ↗ projects, maybe those have been pushed

5:42 ↗ out, delayed, or scaled back in order to

5:44 ↗ make sure that we're keeping the rates

5:47 ↗ for our storm water

5:48 ↗ utility more reasonable. And so that's

5:52 ↗ direction that we had previously

5:53 ↗ received from council. What you're

5:55 ↗ seeing in this CIP reflects that

5:57 ↗ direction. Director Emily Moon in public

5:59 ↗ works is going to speak to that a little

6:01 ↗ bit more later, but um I wanted to make

6:03 ↗ sure that that was um upfront for your

6:05 ↗ awareness as we look at some of these

6:07 ↗ projects. Uh like I said, June 16th at

6:10 ↗ committee of the whole will consider all

6:11 ↗ the sections of the CIP together.

6:13 ↗ Tonight, we're just focusing on that

6:14 ↗ storm water

6:15 ↗ element. So, let's let's take a little

6:18 ↗ step back and talk about what a CIP is.

6:22 ↗ We have this conversation every time

6:23 ↗ because it's a really important

6:25 ↗ conversation. Uh the

6:27 ↗ CIP is a planning document. It is not a

6:32 ↗ budget. And so a planning document, it

6:35 ↗ helps outline for those six years of the

6:37 ↗ CIP, what are the projects that we plan

6:40 ↗ reasonably to be able to get done.

6:44 ↗ um we take components of our various

6:48 ↗ infrastructure plans and we the CIP is

6:51 ↗ where we plan on how we're going to put

6:52 ↗ all these projects together and

6:53 ↗ accomplish that entire capital um all

6:57 ↗ those capital investments in the next

6:58 ↗ six years. The CIP is also an element of

7:01 ↗ the city's comprehensive plan and it

7:04 ↗ includes the annual transportation

7:05 ↗ improvement program. State law requires

7:07 ↗ us to update the transportation

7:10 ↗ improvement program on an annual basis

7:12 ↗ and that is one component of the CIP.

7:15 ↗ The CIP also by state law must include

7:17 ↗ how projects uh may be funded. Our best

7:20 ↗ guesses at this point for what types of

7:22 ↗ revenues would be used um and how we

7:24 ↗ would fund these projects. And because

7:26 ↗ it is a planning document, we know that

7:28 ↗ it is subject to change. It's hard to

7:30 ↗ look out to

7:32 ↗ 2032. Um it's in some areas it's hard to

7:36 ↗ know what type of funding will be there

7:38 ↗ in two years let alone in five or six.

7:42 ↗ So um it is subject to change as a

7:44 ↗ planning document. We do update it every

7:46 ↗ two years and um it is not a budget. So

7:51 ↗ what that means is a budget has to be

7:53 ↗ balanced between revenues and

7:54 ↗ expenditures. Uh the CIP does not have

7:57 ↗ to be balanced. In fact, it's our

8:00 ↗ typical uh practice that especially in

8:03 ↗ the later years of the CIP that we know

8:07 ↗ that we have some areas where we expect

8:09 ↗ expenditures to be greater than the

8:12 ↗ revenues we anticipate having available.

8:14 ↗ That's in part because forecasting that

8:16 ↗ far ahead is very difficult to forecast

8:19 ↗ our revenues several years in advance to

8:21 ↗ forecast exactly what a project's going

8:22 ↗ to look like. Um what other pressures

8:25 ↗ there may be on those revenue sources

8:28 ↗ like the general fund that we have to

8:29 ↗ balance out in those future years. It's

8:31 ↗ very difficult to do that. So what

8:33 ↗ you're going to see in this CIP is uh it

8:37 ↗ it is very much a planning document and

8:40 ↗ there are some things that are very

8:43 ↗ difficult to plan this year uh even more

8:46 ↗ than previous years with the

8:48 ↗ uncertainties of the economy with

8:50 ↗ uncertainties of some of our revenue

8:51 ↗ sources that we have and so it is not

8:55 ↗ meant to be exact in terms of how we

8:58 ↗ anticipate revenues will cover

8:59 ↗ expenditures. The budget is supposed to

9:02 ↗ be balanced and so that is the big

9:04 ↗ difference between the CIP and the

9:06 ↗ budget. What is unique about this CIP

9:09 ↗ compared to previous CIPs that we've

9:12 ↗ done is we know that we have some

9:15 ↗ imbalance even in the first two years of

9:17 ↗ the CIP. So, we know that there are some

9:21 ↗ projects and and that um with the

9:24 ↗ funding sources that we have now, if

9:26 ↗ they were to behave as we predict, um we

9:29 ↗ may not be able to fund or we could only

9:32 ↗ partially fund. That is a couple years

9:35 ↗ from now. And so, we have opportunities

9:38 ↗ to be able to correct that um as we look

9:41 ↗ at the next bianual budget process.

9:46 ↗ Um so this slide covers some of those

9:48 ↗ things that I mentioned. Uh overall some

9:51 ↗ of the themes with this CIP is that the

9:54 ↗ needs continue to outpace our revenues.

9:57 ↗ Uh particularly in the case of the

9:59 ↗ general fund and REIT during the budget

10:01 ↗ season. We talked a lot about the

10:02 ↗ pressures on the general fund, some of

10:04 ↗ the concerns we have with the revenues

10:06 ↗ going into the general fund. We use some

10:09 ↗ of the general fund to cover our capital

10:11 ↗ costs. And so as as there are increased

10:16 ↗ need from general fund revenues to cover

10:18 ↗ our operating costs um that's competing

10:21 ↗ for funds that can go into our capital

10:22 ↗ program as well. So more competition for

10:25 ↗ general fund revenues and also real

10:28 ↗ estate excise tax. That's what REIT

10:30 ↗ means on this slide. Uh we know that um

10:34 ↗ REIT is also very difficult to predict

10:36 ↗ in a city of our size. If a large

10:39 ↗ building gets sold, that's more revenue

10:41 ↗ than um what maybe we had predicted. And

10:45 ↗ so any one building sale or purchase

10:47 ↗ could really change the rate um revenues

10:50 ↗ that we receive. So we look at on

10:52 ↗ average how much do you receive over the

10:54 ↗ years? Um but those those amounts are

10:57 ↗ very much subject to

10:58 ↗ change. So we're looking at more

11:00 ↗ competition for general fund and REIT.

11:03 ↗ Those are the areas that are hard for us

11:04 ↗ to um to cover some of our capital costs

11:08 ↗ while also we're anticipating fewer

11:10 ↗ grants from the federal government and

11:12 ↗ possibly from the state government as

11:13 ↗ well. And that's something that again is

11:16 ↗ very hard to predict as we look out for

11:18 ↗ the next uh six years of the

11:21 ↗ CIP. That uncertain future as I've said

11:24 ↗ makes planning very difficult. Less

11:26 ↗ difficult though in the areas of

11:28 ↗ utilities. And since storm water is our

11:30 ↗ focus tonight, we have more

11:32 ↗ predictability in our utilities. We know

11:33 ↗ what our utility plans are in terms of

11:36 ↗ infrastructure. That's what we're

11:37 ↗ talking about tonight. We know how much

11:39 ↗ it costs to operate that utility. And we

11:42 ↗ control all the revenues for that

11:43 ↗ utility through our rates. So for storm

11:46 ↗ water, that process um uh is pretty

11:50 ↗ pretty predictable as we try to plan our

11:52 ↗ storm water needs compared to let's say

11:55 ↗ transportation or parks.

11:58 ↗ Also, this CIP we have really

12:00 ↗ prioritized maintenance. We've heard

12:02 ↗ direction from council in previous years

12:04 ↗ that the desire is to focus on

12:06 ↗ maintaining what we have um over

12:09 ↗ building something new and that that's

12:11 ↗ really important. So, as we looked at

12:13 ↗ these projects, weighed their criteria,

12:15 ↗ we really wanted to emphasize

12:17 ↗ maintenance um over new projects as we

12:21 ↗ try to identify funds to pay for all of

12:23 ↗ these

12:24 ↗ needs. in particular, facilities

12:27 ↗ maintenance. We're not going to be

12:28 ↗ talking about that tonight, but I think

12:30 ↗ it's important that council understands

12:32 ↗ that facility maintenance um continues

12:34 ↗ to be an urgent need. We have kicked the

12:36 ↗ can down the road for a long time on our

12:39 ↗ facilities. In the past few years, we've

12:41 ↗ worked really hard to get the right

12:42 ↗ staff um managing our facilities,

12:45 ↗ understanding what those needs are,

12:47 ↗ especially in maintenance, and then

12:49 ↗ trying to budget and plan accordingly

12:50 ↗ for that maintenance. We're continuing

12:53 ↗ on that path with this CIP. there's a

12:55 ↗ lot of urgent needs that we feel cannot

12:57 ↗ be delayed when it comes to our

12:59 ↗ facilities. Um and then um also another

13:03 ↗ theme for this CIP which we will be

13:05 ↗ talking about tonight. Uh we have

13:07 ↗ additions to this CIP. They capture the

13:10 ↗ latest in the utility rate study. That

13:12 ↗ utility rate study is happening on a

13:14 ↗ parallel process with council. So the

13:16 ↗ utility rate study, director Moon is

13:18 ↗ going to be presenting on that um at the

13:21 ↗ uh mobility and infrastructure meeting

13:22 ↗ next week. um but everything in the CIP

13:26 ↗ reflects what's within that utility rate

13:28 ↗ study. So we're having these

13:30 ↗ conversations um in parallel with each

13:32 ↗ other.

13:34 ↗ Can I ask a quick question on this

13:35 ↗ slide? Um so there were some changes at

13:39 ↗ the state legislature this year around

13:41 ↗ REIT between REIT one and REIT 2 and

13:44 ↗ kind of flexibility in terms of use and

13:46 ↗ ability to use on operations or

13:48 ↗ maintenance. Has that changed at all in

13:50 ↗ terms of how we're planning long-term in

13:52 ↗ the CIP for use? It didn't really change

13:55 ↗ this year um because we were putting

13:58 ↗ this all together while some of those

14:00 ↗ changes were being made at the state

14:01 ↗ level. Um it's great that there's more

14:04 ↗ flexibility in REIT. The more flexible

14:06 ↗ our funding sources are, fantastic,

14:08 ↗ because then we can be able to use them

14:10 ↗ according to what our needs are. Um, so

14:12 ↗ in some ways we could apply REIT more to

14:15 ↗ some of this maintenance, but we already

14:17 ↗ have so many significant needs for REIT

14:20 ↗ um, for uh, replacing certain types of

14:23 ↗ equipment or actually just doing the

14:26 ↗ construction and projects. So it hasn't

14:28 ↗ changed a lot for us with this CIP, but

14:30 ↗ it's something that we're going to be

14:32 ↗ looking for more in the

14:36 ↗ future. Great.

14:38 ↗ Um, next I would like to bring up

14:40 ↗ Jillian Stro, management analyst, who

14:43 ↗ did a lot of the work in pulling this

14:44 ↗ CIP

14:48 ↗ together. All right. So, as Andrea has

14:51 ↗ mentioned, um, needs outpace, uh, the

14:54 ↗ revenue sources we have available for

14:55 ↗ the first two years of the CIP. So, a

14:57 ↗ little bit different from our previous

14:59 ↗ practice of presenting a balanced CIP.

15:01 ↗ For the first two years, we have some

15:03 ↗ gaps and we'll talk specifically about

15:05 ↗ where those gaps are um in a few slides.

15:08 ↗ Um however, in order to make it a

15:11 ↗ somewhat realistic and usable plan, we

15:13 ↗ have tried to reduce those gaps um and

15:16 ↗ uh and shift funding where possible. So,

15:19 ↗ departments have already looked at

15:20 ↗ reducing the scope of projects, phasing

15:22 ↗ them or moving them entirely to outy

15:23 ↗ years in the CIP. um moving to more

15:26 ↗ funding stable uh sources from those

15:29 ↗ that are overtapped um and prioritizing

15:31 ↗ maintenance over new assets um in order

15:35 ↗ to get closer to balanced in the in 27

15:38 ↗ and

15:39 ↗ 28. So there are uh there are a few um

15:44 ↗ this chart includes most of the major

15:47 ↗ revenue sources in the CIP. Um, we'll

15:49 ↗ talk specifically about general fund and

15:51 ↗ REIT as some of those overtapped sources

15:53 ↗ in a moment, but I want to call out

15:55 ↗ mitigation funds, the utility funds, and

15:57 ↗ city hall IPD funding source here. So,

16:00 ↗ this CIP plans for mitigation funds um

16:02 ↗ most of them to be drawn down to zero as

16:05 ↗ is possible through the the the

16:06 ↗ projects. Um, so this will have ongoing

16:09 ↗ impacts on future CIPs and those funds

16:11 ↗ being uh less available in the future.

16:14 ↗ The utility funds, as Andrea mentioned,

16:17 ↗ um are are really derived through the

16:19 ↗ the utility rate process. Um and so

16:22 ↗ their capital support um is is synced up

16:25 ↗ there. Um and then the city hall IPD

16:28 ↗ funding source is noted here, but this

16:30 ↗ is also subject to a parallel process

16:32 ↗ with the with the mayor's task force,

16:34 ↗ which is determining scope, which will

16:36 ↗ inform the cost estimates and timing of

16:38 ↗ those projects. So, we've noted it here

16:40 ↗ um knowing that we have large needs, but

16:42 ↗ we haven't really identified what that

16:44 ↗ funding source is going to be at this

16:45 ↗ point, but we wanted to call it out um

16:47 ↗ in our in our planning

16:49 ↗ document. So, now to talk a little bit

16:52 ↗ about REIT and the general fund. So you

16:54 ↗ can see here um the first line in the

16:56 ↗ table for REIT displays the amount of

16:59 ↗ capital project support that was

17:00 ↗ requested even after reducing projects

17:03 ↗ pushing them out um and then compares

17:06 ↗ that to the to the ending fund balance.

17:09 ↗ Um and as you can see we're overtapped

17:10 ↗ and re at the very beginning of the CIP.

17:14 ↗ Um the general fund is a little bit

17:16 ↗ different. So the general fund

17:18 ↗ historically has contribute contributed

17:20 ↗ around

17:21 ↗ $900,000 um to capital projects with the

17:24 ↗ majority of expenses of its expenses

17:26 ↗ being operating. Um so we sought to

17:28 ↗ match that historical $900,000 of

17:31 ↗ capital support. Um but as you can see

17:33 ↗ we're we're still over requested or

17:35 ↗ overtapped compared to our our

17:36 ↗ historical average. Um and that'll be

17:40 ↗ addressed through uh through future

17:42 ↗ operating budgets. Um and there's that

17:44 ↗ push and pull with operating expenses

17:46 ↗ and capital project support that was

17:49 ↗ noted. Um so this displays the

17:52 ↗ distribution of projects across

17:53 ↗ different asset categories. You can see

17:55 ↗ that most projects are concentrated in

17:56 ↗ municipal facilities um and

17:58 ↗ transportation as is not surprising um

18:01 ↗ or different from previous years. Um

18:03 ↗ I'll also point out that um we totaled

18:06 ↗ the the cost of projects for 2027

18:08 ↗ through 2032 and compared that to where

18:10 ↗ we have identified funding sources. So

18:13 ↗ going back to that balancing question um

18:16 ↗ and over the course of the CIP we do

18:17 ↗ have some significant um unidentified

18:20 ↗ funding sources as you as you can see in

18:22 ↗ that last column or significant revenue

18:23 ↗ needs with that municipal facilities

18:26 ↗ number largely being driven by the city

18:28 ↗ hall IPD funding source um gap that we

18:31 ↗ talked about. Um, and with that, I'll

18:33 ↗ hand it over to Director Moon to talk a

18:35 ↗ little bit more about the storm water

18:37 ↗ projects in the C in the

18:43 ↗ CIP. Good evening, Emily Moon, public

18:46 ↗ works

18:47 ↗ director. I wanted to just summarize

18:51 ↗ what we talked about in the committee

18:52 ↗ the whole meeting and tell you where we

18:54 ↗ are now. I think it's a good picture. So

18:59 ↗ previously when we spoke to you about

19:01 ↗ the utility rate study and we described

19:04 ↗ the needs of each particular fund in

19:07 ↗ terms of operating expenses and revenues

19:11 ↗ and capital expenses and revenues. For

19:14 ↗ the storm water fund, we had a complex

19:18 ↗ picture, not entirely rosy picture where

19:21 ↗ we were not able to cover both the full

19:24 ↗ operating expenses nor the full capital

19:28 ↗ expenses. And at that time, our rate

19:31 ↗ projections were along these lines. Six

19:34 ↗ and a quarter to fund only the

19:36 ↗ operating, no capital projects, six 16

19:40 ↗ and 3/4 to fund the whole shebang, and

19:44 ↗ about um 10% at that time if we uh

19:48 ↗ scaled back the number of capital

19:51 ↗ projects that we were funding. And just

19:53 ↗ for shorthand, we call them critical

19:55 ↗ capital projects. But really what we did

19:58 ↗ is we looked at which projects had uh

20:01 ↗ defined revenue sources

20:04 ↗ anticipated could sort of count on

20:06 ↗ revenue sources which projects really

20:09 ↗ needed to be near-term. They were more

20:12 ↗ urgent which projects we could divide up

20:16 ↗ into uh more phases to spread them out

20:19 ↗ over time and therefore smooth the the

20:22 ↗ rate increase. And so after we did that

20:26 ↗ and after we corrected a couple of

20:28 ↗ things that we found um on the operating

20:31 ↗ side um and and on the capital side, we

20:35 ↗ were able to get the storm water fund

20:38 ↗ down to a 6 and a4% rate increase to

20:42 ↗ cover operating and that sort of reduced

20:45 ↗ capital list that we had discussed with

20:48 ↗ committee of the whole. So that's really

20:50 ↗ good news. not

20:51 ↗ 10%. Six and a quarter. Uh the the

20:55 ↗ number of projects, the types of

20:57 ↗ projects, our uh pathway to that six and

21:00 ↗ a quarter percent doesn't really differ

21:02 ↗ from what we told you at committee the

21:04 ↗ whole. It's just that we were able to uh

21:07 ↗ refine some numbers and correct some

21:09 ↗ issues. So that's good news.

21:14 ↗ And as I just spoke about, the way that

21:16 ↗ we got our capital improvement pro

21:19 ↗ program in line with what we are uh

21:22 ↗ ultimately going to propose on the rate

21:24 ↗ structure is by rep prioritizing to a

21:27 ↗ certain extent uh repair and replacement

21:30 ↗ projects, those that had regulatory

21:33 ↗ requirements, those critical projects.

21:35 ↗ Um we looked at projects that perhaps we

21:39 ↗ could take a little bit more time with

21:40 ↗ when we delayed those or we looked at

21:43 ↗ the assumptions around grants and if

21:45 ↗ they weren't certain um we adjusted

21:48 ↗ timets for

21:49 ↗ those and then as I said we broke

21:52 ↗ projects up to some degree and uh were

21:55 ↗ able to smooth that rate increase. So,

21:57 ↗ with that, I'm going to ask Matt Ellis,

22:00 ↗ our utilities engineering manager, to

22:03 ↗ come up and he's going to get into

22:05 ↗ specific

22:09 ↗ projects. Bringing my bringing my notes,

22:12 ↗ forgive

22:14 ↗ me. Okay, so we did do a bit of

22:17 ↗ shuffling as Emily Moon and Andrea

22:20 ↗ mentioned. Um some new projects that we

22:23 ↗ added to the uh um CIP were mainly

22:26 ↗ bridge projects. Um that's uh an

22:29 ↗ analysis and permitting for the Tibbitz

22:32 ↗ Manor Bridge. Uh that project is mainly

22:35 ↗ to uh reduce flooding around the manor

22:39 ↗ and uh

22:41 ↗ uh repair or remove bridges that are out

22:45 ↗ of date. Um really the that project will

22:48 ↗ ultimately go to parks for construction

22:50 ↗ as they evaluate and uh complete the the

22:54 ↗ final design for Tippetsz Valley Park.

22:56 ↗ Um we're just supporting through the

22:58 ↗ permitting phases. Uh and then the other

23:01 ↗ one is more of a program and that's our

23:03 ↗ bridge scour repair. So, we've got a

23:05 ↗ number of bridges within the city

23:06 ↗ because we have a number of streams and

23:09 ↗ uh a lot of the smaller bridges have

23:11 ↗ some scour where the stream has moved

23:13 ↗ and impacted the abutments of the

23:15 ↗ bridge. We've got trees that are growing

23:17 ↗ underneath the bridge that need to be

23:19 ↗ removed. Things like that that need to

23:21 ↗ be an annual an annual program to to

23:24 ↗ remove or repair or or fix

23:28 ↗ infrastructure. So, that's that's the

23:29 ↗ main impact for new CIP projects. as we

23:34 ↗ looked at the CIP in alignment with our

23:37 ↗ utility rate study uh and uh just

23:41 ↗ looking at projects holistically of what

23:43 ↗ is needed. What are projects that may

23:46 ↗ not be as necessary uh after we've

23:49 ↗ looked at them for a number of years. We

23:51 ↗ cut a few projects. The Cabin Creek

23:53 ↗ tributary stabilization enhancement

23:55 ↗ that's been going on for 20 years and we

23:57 ↗ had a geotechnical expert go out and we

24:00 ↗ looked at it. Um the area is stable.

24:02 ↗ We'll continue to monitor it and we can

24:04 ↗ always put it back on the CIP in the

24:06 ↗ future, but uh under our current

24:09 ↗ evaluation, it's a a non-needed project

24:12 ↗ at the moment. Uh the Central Park bioil

24:15 ↗ similar uh we can utilize our storm

24:17 ↗ water reh rehabilitation project which

24:20 ↗ is our annual program for repair to to

24:22 ↗ fix that project if we deem it

24:24 ↗ necessary. But we do have higher needs

24:28 ↗ uh for repair uh in our city assets that

24:31 ↗ are degrading at a higher rate and we

24:34 ↗ didn't want to utilize funds towards

24:36 ↗ this project and take them away from

24:38 ↗ higher needed projects. And then the

24:40 ↗ West Village Creek sediment pond removal

24:42 ↗ and restoration project. That project is

24:45 ↗ tied to the wash the wash dot fish

24:48 ↗ passage work. And uh as they evaluated

24:51 ↗ their project, they had to eliminate

24:53 ↗ parts of their scope. And unfortunately,

24:56 ↗ this project is upstream of one of those

24:58 ↗ areas that they eliminated from their

25:00 ↗ scope. And we can't do this project

25:03 ↗ unless their portion that they were

25:05 ↗ supposed to do was completed first. So,

25:08 ↗ uh, if that goes on in the future, we

25:10 ↗ can always add the West Village Creek

25:12 ↗ sediment pond removal, but unless they

25:15 ↗ remove their portion, this project is,

25:17 ↗ uh, uh, not useful for a future CIP or

25:21 ↗ current CIP. Can I ask a quick question

25:24 ↗ about uh, so remove projects, how do we

25:26 ↗ track those whereas, you know, in the

25:29 ↗ future we might want to do it, but it

25:30 ↗ just doesn't fit um, right now. Is there

25:33 ↗ value in adding it to the future project

25:34 ↗ list in the back or do we have some sort

25:36 ↗ of internal system where we keep we have

25:38 ↗ an internal system. So we have we keep

25:40 ↗ track of all our old CIP projects. We

25:42 ↗ also have spreadsheet upon spreadsheet

25:44 ↗ of all our projects that we've gone for

25:46 ↗ years. So we we do keep track of those.

25:51 ↗ uh a few pro one project we did increase

25:54 ↗ and that was our storm grain rehab

25:56 ↗ project and again as I said um that is

25:59 ↗ mainly dealing with repairing degradated

26:02 ↗ assets. Uh we've got a lot of corrugated

26:05 ↗ metal pipes within the city which don't

26:07 ↗ last forever and a lot of them are

26:09 ↗ rusting out. So that that project is

26:11 ↗ really going to focus instead of on it

26:14 ↗ used to focus on small flooding issues

26:17 ↗ within the city. Um but we're really

26:19 ↗ going to start focusing on repairing and

26:20 ↗ replacing uh aging infrastructure with

26:23 ↗ that project. And so we've increased the

26:25 ↗ amount in the uh coming years so we can

26:28 ↗ really focus on that effort. Uh and then

26:31 ↗ uh as Emily and Andrea mentioned, we've

26:33 ↗ got some projects that have delayed,

26:35 ↗ pushed out, and broken into phases. the

26:38 ↗ East Lake Sam Parkway conveyance

26:41 ↗ project. Uh it's a rather large project

26:43 ↗ where we've got some small pipes uh that

26:46 ↗ go across East Lakes Parkway uh towards

26:49 ↗ a ditch um between 51st and the uh boat

26:53 ↗ ramp. Um and that project is just too

26:56 ↗ large as one project. It would really

26:57 ↗ hit our our reserves there. So we

27:00 ↗ decided to spread it out and put it out

27:02 ↗ into a longer period as we complete the

27:04 ↗ assets. the Laughing Jacobs Creek

27:07 ↗ channel enhancement project. Um that uh

27:10 ↗ is primarily funded through grants. We

27:12 ↗ actually have quite a bit of grant

27:13 ↗ funding to support that project at the

27:15 ↗ moment. Um so uh that was just pushed

27:18 ↗ out um due to permitting and to ensure

27:21 ↗ that we get grant funding for the

27:22 ↗ construction phase. Um Squawk Valley

27:25 ↗ Park that project actually we were going

27:27 ↗ to push out. However, we just received a

27:29 ↗ rather large grant for that. So that

27:32 ↗ might after we developed the CIP things

27:34 ↗ change very quickly with the planning

27:36 ↗ document and that one we did receive

27:38 ↗ some uh a good grant or at least a

27:41 ↗ commitment for a grant that u we might

27:44 ↗ push it forward because it's pretty

27:45 ↗ exciting project. Uh and then the water

27:48 ↗ quality low impact development pro

27:50 ↗ retrofits uh that has three elements to

27:53 ↗ it. We're still constructing two

27:54 ↗ elements uh within the city, but uh as

27:57 ↗ we developed the the grant for that

28:01 ↗ project, we didn't realize the amount of

28:04 ↗ infrastructure we needed to repair and

28:06 ↗ we didn't receive the funding we needed

28:08 ↗ to do all the projects that uh we had

28:10 ↗ identified. So, one of the the larger

28:13 ↗ retrofit areas we've pushed to the

28:15 ↗ outyear in the hopes that we can get and

28:17 ↗ secure additional

28:18 ↗ funding. Um and then the Isiqua

28:21 ↗ Highlands West 45 stormwater lift

28:23 ↗ station rehab project. We again we just

28:24 ↗ pushed that project out. Um it's it's a

28:27 ↗ needed project but not a high priority

28:30 ↗ compared to other needs within the city.

28:32 ↗ Uh the Sunrise Place Sycamore uh drive

28:36 ↗ emergency access stabilization and

28:38 ↗ covert replacement which is a mouthful.

28:41 ↗ That project we realize needs fish

28:43 ↗ passage. Um it is a needed project. Um

28:46 ↗ but it it is a useful project for

28:48 ↗ grants. So, that's one that we're really

28:49 ↗ focusing on grant funding to support us.

28:53 ↗ Um, we are still we're doing the design

28:55 ↗ right now. Uh, and we're also applying

28:57 ↗ for grants for it. And so, those that's

28:59 ↗ one of those projects where um as we go

29:02 ↗ through the the phases of evaluation,

29:06 ↗ design, and construction will go through

29:08 ↗ as we get the gr the grant funding to

29:11 ↗ support. And when we get to the end of

29:13 ↗ that, if we don't get grants, we can

29:14 ↗ table it until we get those grants. But

29:16 ↗ we'll continue to uh be proactive in

29:19 ↗ that grant uh uh applications. Uh the

29:23 ↗ Pickering Ditch flood control project is

29:25 ↗ a challenging project. Uh and that one

29:28 ↗ um is mainly dealing with beavers within

29:30 ↗ the city. Uh and we're still trying to

29:33 ↗ figure out that the permitting and what

29:35 ↗ we can really do. So that's a continued

29:36 ↗ project, but it's just been delayed due

29:38 ↗ to the challenges. Um and then the fish

29:41 ↗ passage corp replacement program.

29:44 ↗ uh that is a program we wanted to do

29:46 ↗ every five years to replace one covert

29:49 ↗ within the city. So it's not a

29:51 ↗ requirement or an obligation, but it's

29:52 ↗ something that we want to do um because

29:54 ↗ it is important to support fish habitat

29:58 ↗ and uh uh the environment. Um however,

30:02 ↗ we do have the Laughing Jacobs Creek

30:04 ↗ channel replacement, which is a covert

30:06 ↗ project already on the books, already

30:08 ↗ funded uh through design. So we decided

30:10 ↗ to push that out. So we stagger it and

30:12 ↗ then we can really focus on the grant

30:15 ↗ application when we get closer to that

30:18 ↗ design

30:20 ↗ timeline. That is our

30:23 ↗ projects. Is there any

30:27 ↗ questions? Yeah, I might ask um unless

30:31 ↗ anyone else has questions first. Um can

30:34 ↗ you walk us through again kind of the

30:36 ↗ the the logic around the fish covert

30:38 ↗ projects one? So, if we're

30:42 ↗ waiting, it's going to be for some of

30:45 ↗ them. You said they would be funded by

30:47 ↗ grants and they might even be strong

30:51 ↗ um applicants for for receiving grant

30:54 ↗ funding. Um if that's the case, why

30:56 ↗ wouldn't we necessarily plan for that

30:58 ↗ grant dollar in a certain year within

31:00 ↗ this time frame and keep it in the CIP?

31:03 ↗ So, can you walk us through why that's

31:04 ↗ removed again? So, it's still in the

31:06 ↗ CIP. We just pushed it out a few years.

31:08 ↗ Again, that's partly for as for um

31:10 ↗ That's my fault. I misread the it says

31:12 ↗ delayed. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

31:21 ↗ Thank you, Matt. Timing and next steps.

31:24 ↗ So, we have our committee meeting

31:25 ↗ tonight. This kicks off the CIP

31:27 ↗ discussions with city council. Next

31:29 ↗ week, we have mobility and

31:30 ↗ infrastructure, which is going to cover

31:32 ↗ transportation and the other two

31:34 ↗ utilities. and then uh safety services

31:37 ↗ and parks on May 20th that um they will

31:41 ↗ focus on of course parks uh facilities

31:44 ↗ and also IT capital

31:47 ↗ needs. Then, as I said before, we're

31:50 ↗ going to come together for the committee

31:51 ↗ of the whole on June 16th to talk about

31:54 ↗ all of these elements together and look

31:56 ↗ at all of those policy questions that

31:57 ↗ each committee um dove into on an

32:00 ↗ individual basis and with potential

32:03 ↗ adoption June

32:07 ↗ 23rd. So, direction needed for this

32:10 ↗ evening is does council have any

32:12 ↗ feedback on the proposed storm water

32:14 ↗ projects?

32:19 ↗ Great. Well, thank you all for being

32:20 ↗ here with us and walking us through that

32:23 ↗ and clearly the very intentional work

32:24 ↗ that went into this before or since the

32:26 ↗ last committee of the whole. Um any

32:29 ↗ questions from the committee for

32:33 ↗ staff? Okay. Um maybe a couple uh kind

32:38 ↗ of highlevel ones. So

32:42 ↗ um the ethos behind this as defined by

32:45 ↗ our council conversation for the at the

32:46 ↗ committee the whole was delaying some

32:49 ↗ things focusing on critical

32:50 ↗ infrastructure and operations um to help

32:54 ↗ smooth out rates and and being mindful

32:56 ↗ of all that. Should we just assume

32:59 ↗ that I mean this is an intentional

33:02 ↗ policy decision. Should we assume that

33:04 ↗ one of the long-term consequences are

33:06 ↗ going to be that these projects are

33:07 ↗ going to cost more in the future? Is

33:09 ↗ that kind of a one of the things that we

33:12 ↗ have to acknowledge as as making this

33:15 ↗ short-term important um decision that we

33:19 ↗ need to Sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. Typically

33:23 ↗ project costs only increase as the years

33:26 ↗ go on. That said, who knows what the

33:29 ↗ future like looks like, right? You've

33:31 ↗ already heard that we were successful in

33:34 ↗ getting a grant since the time that we

33:35 ↗ started drafting the CIP. um what feels

33:38 ↗ like a few short weeks ago. So it it's

33:42 ↗ through the next six years or beyond

33:44 ↗ what grants become available, what

33:46 ↗ grants don't become available, we're

33:48 ↗ always going to be on the lookout for

33:49 ↗ those grants. So if there are projects

33:51 ↗ that qualify well for grants that um we

33:54 ↗ have the staffing capacity to do, um

33:57 ↗ we're going to pursue those projects and

33:58 ↗ some projects may be prioritized and

34:00 ↗ bumped up ahead because we're able to

34:02 ↗ get funding for those projects. So I

34:04 ↗ think you know the other thing that we

34:07 ↗ like to do is look for opportunities

34:09 ↗ where we can coordinate projects. So if

34:12 ↗ there is an opportunity we're doing one

34:14 ↗ type of of work maybe we can fold in

34:17 ↗ some additional bank stabilization or

34:20 ↗ whatever that looks like. I'm just

34:21 ↗ throwing out examples there. So we

34:23 ↗ always look for these opportunities um

34:25 ↗ to achieve the projects as um

34:27 ↗ efficiently as we can with the public

34:29 ↗ dollar. Thank you very much. Um, and

34:33 ↗ then last question is just a fun one and

34:35 ↗ I promise only pictures. Why are there

34:38 ↗ no pictures this year in the

34:40 ↗ CIP really helps visualize what exactly

34:44 ↗ is this pipe that we're investing in?

34:46 ↗ Yeah, thank you. Yes, this has been a

34:49 ↗ paired down CIP and the reason for that

34:52 ↗ is we have uh been down staff. So, as

34:57 ↗ you um may recall, we don't have an

34:59 ↗ official finance director yet. We are

35:02 ↗ working on that. Um, so we have our

35:04 ↗ deputy finance director pulling double

35:06 ↗ duty. Um, we also don't have a budget

35:09 ↗ analyst right now. We're in recruitment

35:10 ↗ for that position. So it has been just

35:13 ↗ Susie and we she is allowed to go on

35:16 ↗ vacation sometimes. Um so so

35:20 ↗ um it was really a staffing capacity

35:23 ↗ issue of just trying to make sure that

35:25 ↗ we still deliver on the CIP but what

35:27 ↗ parts can we cut out given that um we

35:30 ↗ are in a staffing shortage especially in

35:32 ↗ finance. Makes perfect sense. I'll get a

35:34 ↗ hold of myself. Um all right if there

35:36 ↗ aren't any other qu Oh go ahead.

35:40 ↗ Um so given that this CIP is 2027 to32

35:44 ↗ is the goal to approve that now and then

35:46 ↗ you know as things change even next year

35:48 ↗ would we come up with a new version of

35:49 ↗ the 27 to32 CIP? So um a portion of that

35:54 ↗ CIP which is the transportation

35:56 ↗ improvement program we uh update on an

35:59 ↗ annual basis. So for that portion yes we

36:01 ↗ would be able to make updates next year.

36:03 ↗ Otherwise typically we're on a two-year

36:06 ↗ schedule. So, we wouldn't look at this

36:08 ↗ um it's 2025 now. We wouldn't look at it

36:11 ↗ again until 2027 for those updates. And

36:15 ↗ at that point, we should have better

36:17 ↗ information about budget and revenues,

36:20 ↗ etc. Okay, that makes sense. I guess it

36:23 ↗ just does feel a little bit weird to be,

36:25 ↗ you know, going that far out for like a

36:28 ↗ six-year plan, right? Cuz we still have,

36:30 ↗ you know, over a year and a half until

36:32 ↗ the start of this plan. And especially

36:33 ↗ as things are changing, I wonder I mean

36:36 ↗ maybe it doesn't make sense to do this

36:37 ↗ at this point, but in the future maybe

36:39 ↗ you know if we're doing a plan for 2027

36:42 ↗ to 32, would it make sense to go over

36:44 ↗ that in detail in 2026 so we have a

36:46 ↗ clear picture of the budget

36:48 ↗ or we Yes. So we will be better synced

36:51 ↗ up in future years. This is one of those

36:53 ↗ odd years where we're trying to get on a

36:55 ↗ better schedule to have our budget and

36:57 ↗ our CIP better um in alignment with the

37:00 ↗ timeline. Um the other thing to note is

37:02 ↗ that um we still adopt budgets and we

37:06 ↗ make adjustments to those budgets on an

37:08 ↗ annual basis or sometimes more than

37:10 ↗ annual basis. And so if these

37:12 ↗ opportunities arise like accepting a

37:15 ↗ grant for a project, we can make those

37:16 ↗ adjustments to the budget to

37:18 ↗ operationalize the plan. And so it is

37:21 ↗ just a plan, plans change, budget is a

37:24 ↗ little bit more nimble and and certainly

37:27 ↗ that's where the implementation happens.

37:29 ↗ So we still have that flexibility if

37:31 ↗ these opportunities arise.

37:37 ↗ All right. Well, thank you very much.

37:39 ↗ Those are our questions. So now we'll

37:41 ↗ move on to uh public comment. Um there

37:45 ↗ are still no members of the public in

37:46 ↗ the audience with us today. I'll check

37:48 ↗ in with the clerk to see if there are

37:49 ↗ any members of the public online.

37:53 ↗ We do have a member of the public in

37:54 ↗ attendance, chair, but I don't see any

37:56 ↗ virtual hands raised at this time. Well,

37:59 ↗ and um now that I know a member of the

38:01 ↗ public is on, I didn't read some of the

38:04 ↗ intro comments before, so I'll do that

38:05 ↗ now just in case they'd like to raise

38:07 ↗ their hands. So um uh there were

38:10 ↗ multiple public comment opportunities at

38:12 ↗ tonight's meeting. Right now, we're

38:13 ↗ taking public comment on this particular

38:15 ↗ um item. Um, so, um, if you are joining

38:19 ↗ us virtually, which you must be because

38:22 ↗ there's no one in here, uh, and you're

38:23 ↗ on your phone, press star three. Or if

38:25 ↗ you're on your computer or smartphone,

38:26 ↗ look for the hand icon. And that varies

38:29 ↗ by device, but one option may be to go

38:30 ↗ to the participant panel and choose the

38:32 ↗ raise hand icon in the lower right hand

38:34 ↗ corner. Um, and I'm just going to wait a

38:37 ↗ moment now um to see if you have any

38:39 ↗ interest in um, providing any public

38:41 ↗ comment for us tonight.

38:51 ↗ All right. Well, thank you very much for

38:53 ↗ being with us, though. And of course, um

38:55 ↗ you can write council um whenever you'd

38:57 ↗ like at city council isol.gov. We read

39:00 ↗ emails and get back to people and um

39:02 ↗ take that feedback very seriously. So,

39:03 ↗ again, thank you for being with us. Um

39:06 ↗ all right, with that, we're going to go

39:07 ↗ into deliberation by the committee. So

39:09 ↗ any feedback um on u proposed storm

39:13 ↗ water projects? Yeah.

39:16 ↗ So thank you for this. I know this is a

39:19 ↗ very odd year. I know we are looking at

39:21 ↗ lots of revenue situations, lots of

39:24 ↗ staffing situations as you mentioned um

39:27 ↗ and concerns about grants and um capital

39:31 ↗ projects. So that's definitely on my

39:33 ↗ mind. I can see how you've been

39:35 ↗ responsive to that and so I appreciate

39:37 ↗ that. Um, I think in particular when

39:40 ↗ we're talking about the storm water

39:42 ↗ projects, this was particularly

39:44 ↗ responsive to the committee of the whole

39:46 ↗ feedback. And so I could see that very

39:48 ↗ clearly that came across. Um, Matt, I

39:52 ↗ really appreciate your explanations

39:54 ↗ during this meeting about why projects

39:57 ↗ were delayed or um not uh or eliminated

40:02 ↗ from that. I had come into this with a

40:04 ↗ little bit of concern going, hey, why

40:06 ↗ are we eliminating projects? maybe just

40:08 ↗ push them to the outy years. Um, but

40:10 ↗ that particularly clears it up on, hey,

40:13 ↗ these are either things that we no

40:15 ↗ longer find are needed because we've

40:18 ↗ figured out that it's already um been

40:20 ↗ handled or we might look at it in a

40:24 ↗ future year, but we have um projects

40:26 ↗ listed. Um, I think I very much agree

40:30 ↗ with the approach of focusing on and

40:32 ↗ increasing our maintenance of our

40:35 ↗ assets. And so across the board, I see

40:39 ↗ that here um in the stormwater section,

40:42 ↗ I particularly like seeing the bridge

40:44 ↗ maintenance and the scouring. So I

40:46 ↗ appreciate that that has been added and

40:49 ↗ a willing add to the list. Um the only

40:54 ↗ other area of feedback um highlighting

40:56 ↗ kind of one of the questions that

40:58 ↗ council member Hall brought up earlier

41:01 ↗ is I understand in these cases why

41:03 ↗ things were eliminated.

41:06 ↗ um in other situations and I haven't

41:08 ↗ looked over the whole CIP for things

41:10 ↗ that were eliminated, but if they are

41:13 ↗ and it makes sense that it's still

41:15 ↗ project we would want to do, I want to

41:16 ↗ make sure that that gets into the

41:18 ↗ appendex or the future years so that we

41:20 ↗ as council can keep track of it, not

41:22 ↗ just a um staff listing um somewhere

41:26 ↗ there. But in these cases on storm

41:28 ↗ water, I understand why they wouldn't be

41:30 ↗ added to that list. So I have no

41:32 ↗ concerns there. So, thank

41:36 ↗ you. Um, yeah, I just wanted to say, you

41:39 ↗ know, thanks. I know it's a lot of work

41:40 ↗ to put this together, especially given

41:42 ↗ all the uncertainty going on. Um, I was

41:44 ↗ very happy to see that the storm water,

41:47 ↗ um, you know, given the update update in

41:49 ↗ the rate forecast, we don't have to go

41:51 ↗ to 10% increase per year to get, you

41:54 ↗ know, the critical capital and operating

41:56 ↗ improvement. So, that's super exciting

41:58 ↗ um for us to see. And generally I really

42:01 ↗ agree with the emphasis on you know

42:02 ↗ maintaining what we do have just because

42:04 ↗ if you don't maintain what you have then

42:06 ↗ it could you know blow up and be 10

42:09 ↗ times more expensive in 20 years. So

42:11 ↗ definitely um agree with you know past

42:13 ↗ councils that have proposed that

42:14 ↗ approach. Um and yeah thanks for putting

42:17 ↗ this together. Um I agree um that you

42:21 ↗ know this seems like the right

42:22 ↗ prioritization and it seems like even

42:24 ↗ though you know we are emphasizing

42:26 ↗ maintenance there are you know still a

42:28 ↗ number of new projects and restorations

42:29 ↗ that we're undertaking um which is also

42:31 ↗ you know always exciting. So thank you.

42:36 ↗ Well, this is the fantastic um thing

42:38 ↗ about being a chair to a wonderful

42:40 ↗ committee is um nothing else additional

42:42 ↗ ad that was captured very well um except

42:45 ↗ um just really a deep appreciation to

42:47 ↗ staff for turning 10% into six and a

42:49 ↗ quarter. That is huge right for working

42:52 ↗ families here who are stretching every

42:53 ↗ dollar they earn over the next year. So

42:55 ↗ really big thank you for that and I

42:58 ↗ think you've listened to our feedback

42:59 ↗ very well and I look forward to seeing

43:01 ↗ what the future committees think of the

43:02 ↗ CIP. Have you got everything you need?

43:06 ↗ We do. Thank you so much.

43:09 ↗ Fantastic. Uh, great. Then the next item

43:12 ↗ on the agenda is announcements. Are

43:14 ↗ there any announcements by the

43:16 ↗ committee? Anyone on

43:18 ↗ staff? Um, then I will just say that our

43:20 ↗ next meeting is scheduled for June 10th

43:22 ↗ and the preliminary agenda includes

43:24 ↗ column 018 2025 title 18 policy

43:27 ↗ amendments and column 01 09 the title 18

43:31 ↗ tree code update. So, it is title 18

43:34 ↗ night next month. Uh, there being no

43:36 ↗ further business, we are adjourned at

43:38 ↗ 7:13

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