Lanning policy commission tonight we
have the honor of having the Development
Commission join us this evening for
their important input on some of the
things we're going to discuss tonight
which are the Gillman Boulevard corridor
and the amendments to the central area
plan
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the first thing on our agenda is the
villain minutes of October 25th so do I
have a it would anybody like to approve
a promotion have a second is that gonna
any discussion or changes all those in
favor say aye aye aye opposed hearing
none the motion passes so tonight we're
gonna start our meeting with a
presentation on the Gillman Boulevard
corridor concept which is near and dear
to our hearts it's important part of the
community so Brianne Ross our senior
engineer is going to update on what's
going on absolutely thank you guys for
having having me here so my name is
Brianne Ross
I'm a senior transportation engineer for
our public works department with me is
Nathan he's our project manager for the
consultant MiG svr who did the work so
he he'll be on hand as we get into
questions and discussion but we wanted
to come here tonight with with both of
you
groups because we know how much you both
have seen like the green necklace plan
central Issaquah plan and have those
types of connections and then plus with
DC ultimately we'll be implementing some
of this stuff as developments come in
and do frontage improvements so we
wanted to share this with you so we're
talking about Gilman from SR 902 Front
Street and when we started this project
we wanted to make sure that we addressed
our safety concerns on Gilman planned
for a future Gilman that might not be
what Gilman how Gilman functions today
or the the buildings and land use and
businesses that are on Gilman today but
but look towards the future and how do
we accommodate what we foresee coming
in in the next 10 15 20 years we also
wanted to have some meaningful community
participation and make sure that we got
community buy off on this as we go
forward and can build that consensus and
then this is gonna feed into two future
projects both as developer frontage
improvements as well as potentially city
capital projects so right now we are
here with you we will be going to City
Council in January taking the same
framework document to them and we've had
a great last couple of months
we started off with the project scope
and getting the things started and then
verified project objectives looked at
the existing documents that we already
had
we knew that there's been already a lot
of work in around Gilman with what the
central Issaquah plan with the green
necklace various things like that and
then did that meaningful community
participation as well and then we've
presented already to parks board and
economic vitality commission and here
with you tonight so as I mentioned we we
did look at all of the other documents
in the city and how they relate to
Gilman and then we had stakeholder
meetings where we met specifically with
business and property owners inviting
everyone around especially around the
Gilman area we heard from them that you
know traffic access car access to their
businesses are important to businesses
which we would expect they also want to
have great visibility from the street to
their building and signs and they
appreciated the transparent process that
we were trying to do in incorporating
those property owners and business
owners throughout the area and then
wanted to also make sure that whatever
we do is implementable we then also met
with the community had a community
workshop
we in that conversation got into more of
a conversation about what would it look
like to be able to park once on Gulman
and walk around to different stores also
looking at what does it mean when
there's more residents on gummin you
know atlas was the first apartment
building on Gilman and there will likely
be others and what what does that look
like and then also certainly considering
the future of sound transit light rail
in the vicinity when that comes so and
then reinforcing that that Gilman is a
successful business corridor now and we
want to make sure it stays successful as
a business corridor in the future as
well so we've done a lot of outreach we
had a survey we ended up with 760 people
responding answering at least one
question which was great and we've had a
lot of different business visits talking
to property owners trying to get the
word out to people and different
community groups and this is a map of
where we where people said they lived
who filled out their survey so a pretty
good representation from citywide for
those people that were more interested
in gomen which is great we like to see
that
Thanks good so one of those so those
hope you guys saw the survey this these
are the results out of that survey you
can see that there is support for making
a Gilman a more pedestrian friendly
environment increasing the separation
from traffic so that the sidewalk is not
right next to the travel lanes as it is
currently in some places also enhancing
those crosswalks making them more
visible we also saw a lot of support for
improving the lighting on Gilman and
different amenities like streeting
street trees and in planting areas we
also asked people about about biking on
Gilman and while the the strongest
support was to make sure that there was
a connection for the regional trails
there and then we asked what type of
bike facility people would want on
Gilman and that was the only question in
the survey that was a pick one but they
didn't have the option to pick all of
the above and that's where we really
looked at getting something off the road
people definitely support a bike
facility that's off-road like the
protected bike lane or like a shared
path the natural environment got the
most support accepted timing traffic
signals um we're incorporating
stormwater into our natural features is
something that that was really important
to those that took the survey and so
this survey really fed into what we have
as these community goals and
we know that not all of these goals
always work together that there will
need to be some prioritization as we go
forward but the initial list of goals
was identified by the project team after
reviewing those existing documents and
discussing the outcomes of those past
studies and planning efforts and then it
was these are the goals that were
presented to the public in the online
survey and then also again to the
property owners and the business owners
and so then based on all those that
feedback that we received these goals
have been updated the updated goals were
presented at that community workshop and
that's where we got support for
continuing forward with these same goals
so the primary goals listed here do you
reflect the feedback that we've heard
and as I said there are competing needs
among those community goals and not all
the goals are necessarily applicable in
all sections of Gilman right so we know
that Gilman is a longer corridor and
that the needs of the quarter can change
as you go through it so that's something
that we'll continue to resolve as we go
into the corridor concept so
highlighting a few existing conditions
there's the the Creek that's adjacent to
the Commons and that crosses new part
way there's also Issaquah Creek there's
bike lanes for about half of the
corridor there are bus stops along
Gilman and there's a good trail network
that surrounds going so an overview of
the enhancement opportunities that are
in your framework document you have it
and one thing that we've in all things
that we've talked about the Gateway type
on the ends making sure that we can
signal to drivers that they're no longer
on i-90 that was a topic of conversation
we had a few times is that especially on
the ends as people come off of i-90 they
tend to drive like they're still on the
freeway a little bit faster so using
that as an opportunity also using that
as an opportunity potential
to kind of create start to create a
signature street so that people feel
like Gilman's a destination also looking
at new street crossings that have been
identified in previous plans enhancing
the creeks evaluating existing driveways
that are along gilman and also providing
pedestrian access from gilman to the
stores that was another topic we talked
about is if you are walking on Gilman
and you want to get to a store you're
typically walking across to long parking
lot and how could that be enhanced or
strengthened so that's a general
overview of where we've come to date we
wanted to open up the floor to all of
you hopefully you received our memo in
your packet where you know we're we are
looking for some input we're also
looking for hopefully your endorsement
going forward as we take this framework
document which which highlights these
overarching goals and opportunities
we'll take that to Council in January
and so that's where we're here tonight
so one of the topics of conversation
that we thought you guys might be
interested in is if the framework plan
incorporates the central Issaquah plan
and green necklace plan as you guys
would expect this is where we can
discuss from my perspective I think
that's hard to answer because right now
specifically regarding kind of the tree
canopy and adding in greenery it's very
conceptual which is okay this is an
early document and I want to start by
also saying you guys did a really nice
job I really like this the plethora of
maps and keys that you guys did a really
nice job on communicating it was a
really clear document but specifically
regarding this point I think that it's a
little too conceptual to answer
accurately because right now we're still
debating what does that look like even
as far as like where is the sidewalk go
do we have the trees on one side the
other both you know so
I think that that answer is that it's
faking nicely but it's not quite done
like I can't honestly say that you
nailed it because there's just the
implementation of it isn't there
so without without seeing it it's really
hard to answer that for me but we might
be on the right track of what we've got
so far yes great awesome
there are just a few things when I went
through the mortgage that kind of
Concerned me that and you brought it up
that maybe some of these things don't
will not work together and not get in
there but the concepts are great having
more crosswalks on Gilman what does that
do for traffic and you know another ten
crosswalks in there we're gonna be able
to get down Gilman at all or more access
to Gilman I think you have to be very
careful with that
it sounds wonderful but really doesn't
do what we really want it to do you have
to stand over here with me that's gonna
be an important part of the Phase two of
this project it's kind of developing
concepts and alternatives that can be
evaluated looked at from a traffic
standpoint seeing what it's doing to the
movement of traffic the level of surfing
service of traffic the delay and how
does that incorporate I understand that
the concept itself it sounds wonderful
you know but to put it into actual
implementation long way off a lot of
things that have to be looked at like
ethic and all these other possibilities
like lanes they really work dude
whatever I think jokes point is great
especially in with the the westerly
corridor the idea of putting two more
stoplights in like a five block radius
or the rally area is going to be seems
like it will be counterproductive to the
flow of traffic right now obviously that
area is already congested and backs up
and even timing the light
adding two more lights right there I
think is a mistake as far as the flow
goes what that means obviously is that
you're only turning right out of rally
you're either exiting onto Gilman or
from behind the complex and looping to
where you're going there's just not
gonna be any left turns you know going
on to 900 from Gilman if you're going
from the rally property and so I think
that sometimes realities like that have
to be addressed rather than being like
let's just add a light and then they'll
be able to turn because it's gonna
happen is you're gonna get four cars
going through and even though all the
lights are timed no one's gonna be
getting through you're gonna have a
massive traffic jam of people coming off
of the freeway people continuing on 900
and traveling on I think that some of
those some of the details that we do
have as far as light cars go will give
some pickups yeah and you know we have
in looking at those you know assessing
those driveways especially on the rally
and as you mentioned that is that is
something know that we need to do and um
you know we even did talk with BBC about
how you know restricting driveway access
it's a really hard conversation with
businesses but we also have some safety
things that we need to address as well
so there will be a balance in looking at
you know driveway access and what level
of access that each driveway has if
driveways are consolidated and then how
that can be addressed going forward
summaries that you gave us didn't
necessarily show me that there was a big
community buy-in to adding a plethora of
crosswalks obviously a few more are
needed having that be a priority I
didn't really read that but I more read
was that people want the option for
walkability meaning that what we really
need is some type of parking structure
somewhere where people can dump their
car and walk without necessarily I need
to be able to cross back and forth at
every point across Gilman they just want
to feel like it's less of an arterial
and more of a connection between all
these different businesses is what I
took away from from the respondents
coming back and so to me the solution
was more in sidewalks and
a dedicated place that someone can park
rather than crosswalks all over going
right and I think that enhancing
crosswalks doesn't always mean more it
can mean making ones we have more
visible and more usable time and time
with the lights better right yeah I'd
like to advocate for the bike piece of
it from a strategic standpoint today
bikes may not be a huge component of
this transportation initiative because a
lot of people are not biking right as we
look forward to e bikes just within the
last three years they've actually
dropped almost 50 percent of the cost so
now pick up a reasonable a bike for
about three thousand dollars and I'm now
starting to see them on squawk mountain
and there's ipping up these hills Oh
as people as a the price of a bike
starts to drop you're gonna see a lot
more people purchasing a bikes I believe
especially for our area because you
don't need a license for it
you don't need insurance to go up to 25
miles an hour
25 miles and I think you're gonna start
seeing a lot more people use those to
get back and forth to the stores my wife
would certainly she's asking for one now
and she would not feel comfortable and
I'm no pet or a motorcycle but a bicycle
something that's doesn't have a lot of
barriers and a lot of people would be
very comfortable with it and I was
looking here in your plants about shared
bike paths as a avid cyclist I have real
problem with shared bicycle paths in
that when I go bicycle riding on like
the Bert Gilman trail up and around
u-dub district and so on or the East
Lake Sammamish trail you have parents
with strollers that are three wide they
literally take up the whole trail and so
you're trying to pass and that's kind of
an obstruction there
and then you have dog walkers with flexi
leashes and they the dogs just you know
they're on a leash that's legal but
they're literally going across the way
and if you're right and passed them all
sudden the dog starts chasing you or
they run out in front of you and so
there's a lot of potential hazard with
that as a pedaling bicyclist it's not
I'm not going so fast I can't stop but
with an e bike they are now state laws
allows them to be on our trails these
guys are going 25 miles an hour and I
realize that the trail speed I think is
supposed to be 15 or 20 in some
locations there's a huge risk factor for
accidents so when you put bicycles with
pedestrians and a lot of pedestrians
don't like bicycles and I don't like
pedestrians
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when I'm bicycle riding I don't want to
compete with a pedestrian as the
pedestrian doesn't want to compete with
me right so I think putting them in
their own place where a bicycle is
protected for a pedestrians protected
from a bicycle any bicycles protected
from the car is going to give more
people on bicycles which will lead to a
better Harless experience for our people
especially as we grow I think we're
gonna see a lot more people go in that
direction so I probably just said way
too much but I'd like to see some
alternative options to bike parents and
I also noticed that reading here where
Gilman wasn't going to emphasize so much
on the bike piece of it or maybe that
was part of the survey that gonna focus
on traffic more than bikes there might
be alternate routes for bikes throughout
the outreach process the number one
thing that we heard was that vehicular
traffic and moving cars was very
important to continue to support
businesses and
recognizing that there are off-street up
options for bikes potentially being the
maple juniper trail and making that more
visible and more accessible to people
and potential conflicts between bikes
and cars people have generally been
supportive throughout the process that
bikes shouldn't be on the street and
cars should be prioritised it's not that
bikes don't matters the feedback - about
them but they shouldn't be secondary to
cars and probably also secondary to
pedestrians from the feedback that we've
received and when I because that's how I
read it - and that's looking at it from
people who never used he bikes he bikes
is bleeding edge I mean it really is
bleeding I just considered social norms
right now maybe like a place like
Denmark everybody bikes oh I'm not
saying that we're gonna become Denmark
but aspirationally sure especially if we
make it easier for people to get up
these hills and they don't have to take
a bus they don't have to drive and these
e-bikes can zip right up the hills and
people who are out of shape don't have
to work that hard to do it no but I
think not putting bikes and back alleys
important because you need to be front
and center and somewhat main artery
arrow but they don't have to be in the
flow of traffic but if you were used to
the speed limit of yeoman 225 and then I
could see a lot of people it okay I can
ride my bike on a bike path on Gilman
because it's only 25 and I'm almost
going that speed it needs to be part of
your strategy and a stronger emphasis on
bikes because it's coming winter is
coming comments so you mentioned Denmark
and everybody rides bikes that's true
but in Norway yes they do ride bikes but
the traffic is horrendous there is two
two parts to it it's not just focusing
on on bikes
and so doesn't it's not perfect yeah I
actually take the opposing view I
actually had the good fortune of being
in Clearwater Florida this weekend
beautiful weather and they have more of
a shared bike pedestrian I just don't
know if we had the sidewalk or the space
just looking at this picture here you
couldn't do something like that I'm
thinking like Venice Beach a mnemonic
areas like that where you can if you
have a wide enough pathway have bikes
and pedestrians and a universal
knowledge one's more towards the right
ones more towards the left but I don't
think we have the space and I don't
think that would kind of depend on
businesses and I don't think we have the
easements to do it so the existing right
away varies and actually there's some
areas where we're not using the full
extent of the city's right-of-way so
where we would have some extra space
there is some areas in this vicinity as
the picture shows where we don't have
extra space but that's also an ongoing
conversation do we want property owners
as they redevelop to dedicate right away
to build a wider facility or do we want
to work within the right away that's
available currently and you know narrow
up our roadway section in some areas and
then look at a wider section and others
actually to his point you could do a
shared bike path it was it was wide
enough
well these which is just the Wild West
yeah East Lake Sammamish Parkway is a
great example
it's the trellis I think about 12 feet
12 feet isn't wide enough or really
pedestrians and bicyclists because you
have those pedestrians with rollers and
you have pedestrians with flexi leashes
but if you had maybe a 20-foot pathway
where you designated maybe five feet
bicycle and you striped it for bicycle
and then people would have the
understanding that that's a two-way
bicycle path there are things that you
can do but I think there just needs to
be more strategic look at how you handle
bicycle paths because I think that it
will be significant part of our future
members but I guess one question one
comment but one question about it is but
did anybody be willing to give up a lane
of traffic for a bike lane because I
think that would be it sounds to me like
from the survey results that there'd be
very few people that would say take away
a travel lane like they've done on
Second Avenue and Seattle and turn into
bike lane um and I would have is it
sounded like one of the issues was the
pedestrians wanted to be separated from
traffic and seemed like there was an
indication of using landscaping to do
that but could that separation instead
of landscaping be more of the bike path
so it's just roadway bike paths
pedestrian if you have enough room for
that and not worry about trying to put
trees in there somewhere
well I think the survey indicated that
people cared more for the trees than the
Lightwave you know would be interesting
is to see a picture of like champs Ely's
a there's a major roadway we're just
going back and forth and it has I mean
that Gilman's going to be that grandiose
but the idea where you have floods of
tourists walking left and right and you
have a long mile road it'd be
interesting to see a picture of that and
again obviously a much smaller scale but
he's something kind of how they did it
there because they deal with a lot of
pedestrian traffic and a lot of vehicle
traffic I would just observe having
lived there for a long time those
boulevards which are so wonderful signed
by Baron Haussmann
Wow battalion a company of cavalry to
ride stirrup disturbe down the street to
control mobs that's the original
architectural purpose I wonder if we
could handle the knee like so so I think
one of the one of the issues that
clearly there's going to be a lot of
competing interests you know if you have
10 priorities or 10 things that people
have identified are really important one
of the things that seems to be not
developed that I saw and maybe I just
missed it was a some some methodology of
prioritizing you know it's not a system
it's a you know a strategic a strategic
plan would say from a priority
perspective here's if we have to give up
something this is what goes first and
second or third you know but coming up
with some kind of evaluative process
that allows you to be clear text saying
do you know if if in fact people
wouldn't be willing to give up a traffic
delay no traffic
for a bike lane you know how do you
decide that what what is the mechanism
that you'd use to and that's gonna be
part of the next phase of work for us
we're going to be developing that
evaluation criteria and then going back
out to the public and the business and
property owners and talk with them about
you know what should this look like with
all of this different constraints and
open overlapping needs and how do we fit
everything in and talk about both the
evaluation criteria as well as potential
concepts said do you have a timetable
for
learning this process yeah so after we
go to Council in January assuming that
they let us know that we're heading in
the right direction that's what we're
looking from from them then we are going
to take a look at some of our existing
infrastructure take a look at what needs
are under the ground because say if we
have an aging sewer pipe the length of
Gillman you know that could mean we're
gonna tear up Gillman anyways and give
us a little more flexibility in what we
could come up with as for a design
versus if all of our existing
infrastructure in Gillman is and you
know just brand new and we don't want to
move anything then then we're gonna make
sure that where we put our curb and
gutter or where we put our trees where
I'm gonna put a tree on top of us who
are lying those types of things so we're
first will be step will be to evaluate
that level of existing condition and
then as as Nathan said we will look at
developing a couple of concepts and the
criteria and go out to the public with
with the criterion and concepts I'm
thinking that based on our current
budget and we have budget requested from
council right now in next year's budget
and then there would be a little bit of
a remaining budget in 2020 so we
probably have like 18 months longer
before we have like an adopted council
adopted concept you know if there's any
development that is scheduled change any
part of Gilman works now well there's
the development agreement with Gilman
lofts at Rainier and juniper and Gilman
they're putting in a traffic signal
there which was it'll I think being do
we know when it's under construction or
spring
and then there's I know of one other
development that's that's looking at
potential changes on women that's all I
know though during the next page is kind
of identify and track those so that as
those projects are starting we as we're
developing a concept are aware of what's
happening along the corridor okay so
there will be restrictions on what
exactly how they develop and oh it would
fit into the plan that you're gonna
write so until we have a council adopted
plan we don't when developers come in
and we don't really have a lot that we
can tell them as far as what the future
of Gilman looks like right that's why we
really want to get this project done and
do it so yes there could be well for
example Gilman lofts they have a
development agreement they're coming in
with a signal that'll be under
construction and then we will see if we
can work with what that was done been
there may be a comment in a question oh
this is long-range thinking so you got
to go past the here and now and think
about what's the future development
pattern plan for this area which is
higher density by a longshot compared to
what what's there now and Gilman is
still going to be a signature street as
it comes through the city and so the
profile and the look and feel of this
both from a Auto and from pedestrians or
bikes is going to be important so the
design and I know you spent a lot of
time looking at those concepts and
anchoring both ends with gateway kind of
treatments of some sort I think makes
sense and I'm limiting on that some
other meeting but there's a couple other
elements in here that aren't really
detailed out in discussion too much one
is where white rail is going to land
because with that comes like a 500
install parking garage and so that's
going to create
I have a local point I guess you could
say of activity a lot of it Auto ribbon
but also you'll have a lot of activity
just around station and so I don't know
what how much thinking has been done
about where that station may land but
you have to think about that and then
you're also showing a new cross I 9990
crossing and so and not only from an
auto but from a pedestrian now you've
got an opportunity to kick the
businesses and the activities that are
going on on both sides and so where it
lands on Gilliland Boulevard would be a
nice feature as well from both an auto
or pedestrian and cycling etc and so you
just show it arrow making that
connection but it should somehow should
speak to the future opportunities I
think that those create not only the
light rail station but it's over
crossing with relation that can ask you
the where you show it is different than
is shown in the central Issaquah plan
the last slide you had up that was from
the central zakat plan where it shows so
your location is further east and it is
shown in central Issaquah plan and that
was curious why that is
so in our t IPR transportation
improvement plan
we've always it's always been talked
about is like a 10th 11th 12th ish
crossing right we I mean that's that's a
really large project that needs some
design work behind it to figure out
where the best place for that to land is
so that's why we tried to show it as
like a nice gray just a conceptual line
yeah right yeah it's in it certainly in
the plan to happen that we would have a
crossing in some vicinity but but the
exact location has certainly not been
designed or determined but but an
important opportunity the comment I
guess about the in terms your question
about relation to the central Issaquah
plan
standard is you know eventually there
should be with as I understand it this
would all be built to right-of-way for
the buildings that we go up along here
in the urban core I can very much see it
being a 25 mile an hour speed limit
because if it is going to be built to
the street Bourbon Street it should be
more of a 25 mile an hour not a
thoroughfare kind of thing and I think
it's more important for people to move
through not move through at speed so you
don't want to sit in a backup for half
an hour you don't I don't think people
are gonna feel like they need to go 35
or 45 miles an hour to speed through the
extent that in terms of thinking about
it as a lower speed limit continual
movement type of area with buildings
right up to the sidewalk Thanks I also
like to bring up something else I
learned couple weeks ago I serve on the
board of directors for visit as a qualm
and I've been working very closely with
the hotels and I'm finding out that a
lot of their their patrons actually
prefer to walk and they're walking from
Spring Hill Suites and some of other
hotels to xxx
oh that's already happening and the the
point as we start to grow we're gonna
see more and more people hitting the
street and so I think we're at the very
beginning stages of seeing more
pedestrians and more bicycles I just
thought I'd inject that there it's
already happening yeah I I'm really
excited about this I tell you the truth
because I see this as the confluence of
just an enormous opportunity and an
equally enormous challenge
and I was really happy to see the
natural environment aspect of this
reflected in the survey results and in
this document and I've given this a lot
of thought and I believe that this
presents the city of Issaquah with
really an unprecedented opportunity to
lead the entire Puget Sound region when
it comes to how we deal with Street
right off there is absolutely no global
warming denial when it comes to the
impact the street runoff has on salmon
and a significant amount of work that's
gonna be done how hard it is on Gillman
Boulevard really I think present
presents the city with an opportunity to
go full-bore on what we know is required
to save our environment and the salmon
in it in the coho which we raise here in
Issaquah so I I would really like to see
an emphasis put on whatever the plan is
for traffic street frontage and so on
sidewalks and so on I'd really like to
see the city commit to being a regional
leader when it comes to rain gardens and
dealing with stormwater runoff in a way
that we can literally not just brag
about it but bring people in bring
school kids in and become a leader in
that it's just an enormous opportunity
and it's a critical issue
anybody else
yeah sorry a lot of areas the
development won't be able to push up
against Gilman because you got drainage
some fairly large drainage that runs
parallel on the south side right so just
what's the thinking about the
opportunity because I'm kind of where
Randy is the opportunity to actually
integrate that into the overall design
and experience as people are coming
through is right now it's kind of hidden
you've got a you know it's kind of off
to the side and I think it I think it's
a it's a good opportunity collect some
shopping carts - currently yes yeah no I
mean that that's there's certainly been
support trying to make that an amenity
and a good piece and a cornerstone of
the project of this quarter so so but to
your point yes there are some areas that
buildings like we will not be building
out to this earth I thought I mean
pedestrian walkway is even bikeways for
that matter don't you necessarily need
to run in line with the road mm-hmm oh
you can take them out take them around
these features that try to create some
separation it would be creative and do
something with thee if it's like you
know there can be ways to to cover that
over and have it be able to water drain
through it they'll be able to use that
thing creative think out of the box know
into Michael's point which is that the
pedestrian walkways can walk around
features I think the main piece is that
it really needs to be aesthetically
pleasing with the landscaping because
again if this is gonna be a driver for
tourism for people walking around
shopping - Ron's point people spending
the day walking up and down at one point
for miles I think it's gonna be really
like the tree canopy to me in my mind
should be a priority
I love the pictures of the trees on both
sides it's just like some of those old
neighborhoods in Seattle are just
absolutely gorgeous you show the sound
of all kind of just in a portion of the
area mm-hmm you just build it all along
i-90 though is that something that is
tightly controlled by the state they can
tell you where you can and can't do it
or the city can fund it the state's say
yes promote the most part um so that is
something that requires significant
coordination with the state if the city
were to fund it we have a lot more
influence certainly the state is
building sound walls in some areas
they've got a proposed project to build
it along like Northwest Sammamish Road
they're not currently proposed to bring
it as far as Gilman so I also found it a
little peculiar but I didn't I
I think it's early enough that we don't
really need to worry about the placement
the length at this point it's kind of
one of those things that we'll address
once we actually have some some
locations but the way it was to note it
on the map was very odd so I get that
you want to include it because it's
important that we have control over what
it looks like that's an important
feature so that's what I took more is
that why it's including the documents to
say hey we're gonna make sure that this
it's something that's what we want and
what's pleasing to us where that sound
barrier has shown there was a lot of
concern and kind of feedback from the
public that it was really uncomfortable
to walk along Gilman in that area and to
provide some separation noise barrier
would be beneficial and it also kind of
built on some of the past planning
efforts of the city had done so that was
the
now the mechanics of a sound wall I mean
it doesn't stop sound it deflects sound
as I understand and from some of the
things that have come up in under the DC
last couple years so no where are we
deflecting if that is correct where are
we deflecting the noise and it's
sentence with a preposition what is it I
mean if the concept if that if the wall
goes in there we're in the document
where it shows it does it go up does it
go across does it just bounce it back
into the into the interstate its back
into the interstate I honestly don't
know it goes back and that can be
attenuated you know it's a pressure wave
sound is a pressure wave so so it can be
attenuated by the texture of the wall
and it also is redirected back into the
from the source that it came from the
reason I mentioned it at all is because
there has been some discussion people
that live up on squawk Mountain about
the fact that we you know we can hear
ninety all the time anyways but the
concern is that if this went up and it
was designed to protect the immediate
environment is it going to send is it
going to actually result in louder noise
somewhere else and that's that would be
a concern that idea
and to that point about the sound walls
what about a vegetated sound wall
wouldn't vegetation warm the sound and
helped it like because it's textured
it's a textural thing so it can but then
you have the issue of of what it looks
like when all the leaves fall off or
honey I mean there and there's a
maintenance thing so all that cuz all
that can be considered but it's part of
the design you just have to decide where
you want about the ceiling walls like on
Mercer Island all that natural growth it
doesn't foliage typically doesn't fall
off does it certainly there would have
to be some design around this idea right
should it move forward once point I like
the idea of thinking outside the box
maybe that means exploring a raised
pedestrian walkway you know where we try
to build up we know that we're we've
approved some very large buildings to be
here and when we think about how we
planned it to be why think limited to
the street level when our buildings are
going up why not think about utilizing
our space in a different way as well
that gives another opportunity for a
little mini Gardens things like that
when we think about kind of maybe
building up as well for our pedestrians
and not just for the buildings so you
think about kind of implementation I
also want to make a point about you know
right now we have a pin point I think is
it is it fourth right now it's closed
off by the post office and I know for
myself and for others it's it's been a
big pain point I'm having to go all the
way around the loop in Issaquah every
day and just the duration of it and we
think about how you're going to be
running through phase two is I really
encourage you to take your time with it
because kind of that you know in your
words tearing up Gilman or kind of
restructuring it is it's going to be
painful and in doing it in a way that is
quick and methodical will be very
important because what we don't want is
to have it stretch out into a duration
that
is a pain point and the end then we then
maybe once it's opened back up have
lowered the speed limit drastically I
mean people are gonna be pretty upset
and I don't know that necessarily people
are going to be following along with the
concept if not everybody is feeling like
it's happened at a good pace if that
makes sense you know you could lower it
and know when the speed limit and no one
pays attention to it because they're
like to thank god this is finally open
you know you start putting traffic
lights everywhere I mean I think also
the way that you implement and so that
planning for phase two will actually
make a difference in how people use it
if that makes sense you know and kind of
creating the best I know that sounds
really hippy but the best vibes possible
in the community for how how we really
restructure this space that no nobody
wants to do any more comments I'd like
to open it up and ask the audience if
they have any comments you don't have to
but your if you would look when I
if you would just kind of tell us who
you are I'm a net trigger I do live down
here in the valley and I've been to
multiple meetings here to try to figure
out the best usage for gilben Mike sorry
I'm short the best usage for Gillman
village since I do walk it almost daily
and I would like to say I want to tell
you thank you Darrell right Nathan
excuse me Nathan I really like the way
that you've presented and the way that
you kind of put together your the
package I guess I just want to think I
just think that how you've done it and
how you presented it and put different
ideas together has been really great so
I just want to say thank you for that
and you've been really open and
transparent to and I thought that was
really great also to the city I want to
say thank you to on keeping open the
idea alerting people I want to say that
I was gonna go to my head but the biking
situation you know where you talked
about not mixing it up I bicycles and
pedestrians
I used the Juniper trail almost daily
too and I do have an e-bike and so and I
do walk as a pedestrian and I do see how
they both can work together very well
and especially with that distance of the
Juniper Trail I think that's really
great I think from the people I've
talked to they like to have the
landscaping more a little more natural
with like trees but nothing too overly
done because as we've seen on Kiln in
village are not yelling village of
Gillman Boulevard it doesn't seem like
perhaps the city has been taking care of
it as well as they could and so with
more extra you know exotic plants or
exotic plantings or whatever it I don't
see how it can look great or be
maintained by the city I think we want
to have it maintained very well if we're
gonna have it it has to be maintained
and look great in my opinion as far as a
pedestrian over pass like you were
discussing I don't care for that idea I
don't think as a woman walking at night
I don't want to be in an area that I'm
locked into so I don't think for me that
would be a comfortable situation for me
like the on nine hundred you know where
they had that wooden thing that you had
walked it on this endless every time I
walked on that I felt kind of
uncomfortable so I don't think as far as
walking on that sort of a situation on
Gilman Boulevard that would not be a
comfortable situation as a woman for me
especially at night anyway thanks for
listening to my comments I hope it
helped a little bit I'll come back to
the panel here does anybody have any
last thoughts before we move on to our
next absolute point one thought about
the speaking of the bikes I think what
I've seen from the cities and in the
remainder of the East Lake Sammamish
trail I thought I read might be finished
they think in 2020
I'm frame thinking about that connection
at Gilman rain
where the trail comes in I think as soon
as that's finished and that opens up
we're going to see a lot of bicycles I'm
into downtown Issaquah and it'd be
really nice for our plans to sync up so
that changes of that intersection are
finished something's done by the same
time that that trail is opened up along
Samantha I just would it was this was
mentioned before by one of my colleagues
on the Development Commission I the
thing that the great big elephant in the
room to me is Sound Transit frankly what
I know about where other Eastside cities
are with designating where the terminals
are going to be we're way behind as I
understand it we're way behind the curve
on that and this project is significant
as it is to the town I you know I don't
know how we proceed without knowing more
than we do about where the sound trends
is going to be and where the feeding
stations are going to be parking lots
and so I I just I'd really like to see
more information if there is any about
where we are in planning for Sound
Transit and then you know then we can
really start tying what we're doing here
I go in Boulevard do that because that's
gonna that's gonna happen you know right
so
so you know we don't know where the
sound transit station is we know it we
expect it to be in the you know vicinity
of Gilman we are making sure that we're
doing everything we can to make sure
that what we are going forward with
wouldn't preclude sound transit or vice
versa right but I think that maybe it
was Joan you know asking about the
developments that are coming in right so
part of we don't want to wait for the
sound transit station be location to be
finalized and determined necessarily
because then that means that as
developers come in we can't use you know
take advantage of that to implement some
of the Gilman vision with the developer
furnitures right so we are we are
playing this balancing game and as we
get more information about Sound Transit
you know that might could continue to
impact what we do on Gilman does the
timeframe for Sound Transit look like I
mean it doesn't get built until like 20
40 right planning wise 2026 just one
more comment about the work the process
that you went through to really reach
out to the community and collect
information weigh the information the
different concepts have been organized
and then laid it into some
recommendations here ah this is a really
good work and understand we're still at
a very conceptual level with this and
you're trying to figure out you know how
does this translate into real life on
the ground
Boulevard but four of the framework as
you're describing this I think this is
an excellent start to the thinking and
the future work that will reshape I
think I think the Sigma one I think it
just speaks to the city's job great
thank you I would also like to mention
something I work at Microsoft and I
commute from here to there by bike going
on these sleek spammers Parkway
Microsoft has over 100 buildings and
every building has between 60 to 100
bikes parked in it per day a lot of
people and I in a short time I've been
there I've probably engaged maybe a
dozen people that I actually bike from
as a qualm and I just happen to stumble
upon them by chance so you just want to
throw that out there that are people
starting to use the bike paths in ways
that you really would like them to do
that get them out of the car so I'm
curious if we see this again if if after
pending council approval of this when
you're doing phase 2 if you'll be coming
back to us so at this point we're
planning on probably doing more of a
design charrette where we didn't buy you
guys would be welcome to join but we
probably wouldn't come specifically to
the PPC or DC meetings that we would
look at having a more integrated process
where we would potentially invite you
guys and the other boards and
commissions we visited as well to take
part so will we plan on keeping you guys
informed I asked because a big part of
what we've worked on especially in the
last year has been kind of reimagining
the core and this is a big deal and it's
a little bit cart before the horse you
know what's gonna happen here is really
based on the concepts that we've really
been working on of what we see coming a
decade and further down the line so it's
I would be very interested to see what
phase two looks like and
oh how we're going to do this and kind
of how these concepts really parcel out
into you know hard ideas
okay I should say we have just started
to scope out next year's work Nathan and
I have started talking about that to get
to get ready to start in January so
we're still working on that process
I don't understand why this microphone
keeps going off but technology anyway
thank you it's a big presentation and
good working and thanks for going out to
the community and getting all of their
input good work great thank you very
much so with that they take five minute
break and planning policy it's going to
go back to their original seats and DC
is that welcome to stay and in a few
minutes discussing amendments to the
development and design plan I don't
think it's a a major discussion but you
were certainly welcome to plan to say
because you're going to be implementing
you
continue the meeting tonight and talk a
little bit about the proposed amendments
to the central area development and
design standards but first I was an era
we did not finish the discussion on the
on Gilman they had asked for a letter of
approval of encouragement of from us at
CPC to take it with them to their
discussion with the City Council I need
a motion if you're willing to if you
believe that the plan as presented by
yeah is to your liking
I understand this is the concept but do
you think that the work is done well and
we can continue on and present this to
City Council with our approval
endorsement I do I actually like how you
I was I love how you just worded that
it's it's perfectly put to the fact that
the work that's done is really excellent
and this document is very thorough and
though it's very preliminary in early I
say we continue on with it as as
presented so I need a motion to write
that to have this have a letter
presented staff write a letter with our
rule also motion did you state the
motion oh I'm a motion for the Planning
Policy Commission to draft our
endorsement of this framework plan for
Gilman Boulevard then it moved to
Council for for a second look a second
the motion
any other discussion all those in favor
say aye
all right opposed
here we no opposition the motion carries
so if staff would work with us to
write a letter of endorsement which VN
can take to the City Council okay with
that we are going to start a discussion
on the amendments and we're lucky to
have our new senior planner
Emily kind of walk us through and what
what we're discussing tonight
great thank you my name is Emily art at
a Senior Planner here at the city of
Issaquah and wanted to welcome all of
the DC members out this amendment as it
it does directly impact your workload
with that being said let's go ahead and
start the presentation so I'm here today
to present a change to level of review
for central Issaquah if you're not
familiar with levels of review they are
in the development code located in 18 it
is a process a procedure for the review
and decision making of land use
applications Emily
was it not just a little louder oh sure
the mic is on though right yeah
so there are several levels of review
that exist all the way up to level six
citywide some have less important or
less they're less prominent level zero
review all the way up to level six
review which would be the greatest
potential for impacts like reasons land
use comprehensive plan amendments things
that PPC would review and then there's
this mid-level range of review level
three which requires Development
Commission review which you're very
familiar with and earlier this year the
city adopted two separate orden C's for
talus and Highlands which outlined
some development criteria and a
threshold basis for level three review
that that code language is current in
existing but it doesn't match what we
currently have in central Issaquah so
this is a table of what central Issaquah
x' level review level of review
currently looks like you've zero through
three with three being the highest going
to Development Commission and requiring
a different trigger based on a different
trigger of level of a3 review based on
the zone that it falls within there are
any questions about that so far
so what we'd like to do is we'd like to
bring up that level three review to
match what talus and a squawk squawk
Islands currently has which would
increase opportunities for the public to
be informed about development that's
going on but also would bring a lot more
development applications to the
development Commission we did a little
map to kind of show exactly what might
be happening there and so as you can see
those shaded areas show parcels that are
over three acres in size and with the
potential of being along some identified
corridors these blue areas would go to a
level three review
and as you can see there are very few
parcels in there that are just white
colored the shaded parcels are ones that
are would be triggered with a level 3
review based on size or proximity to the
blue corridors the blue corridors are
areas of high visibility and that would
be important for the people to know
about if there's going to be a
development application submitted this
is what a revised table would look like
elevating projects to a level 3 review
based on not only 3 acres or greater but
a combined 3 acre site if there was
multiple properties adjacent to each
other under the same ownership or
located on one of those blue corridors
streets it essentially diminishes or
takes out the level to review because
Issaquah Highlands and talus both
require development 3 I mean level 3
review for projects that are 45 thousand
square feet or greater of gross floor
area and because it is complicated a map
would also be accompanying the changes
to that would also be in central squad
standards to show where these blue
corridors are located and when
properties that come in located would
have access street frontage or about one
of the blue corridors then it would
automatically go to a level 3 review so
we're here to present that change for
consistency open up a public hearing and
then get your recommendation to go to
the landed Shore committee for their
review and approval are there any
questions about you said the change you
said the square footage would be up to 3
acres that would require level 3 review
or currently is 3
kurz but just to clarify with providing
consistency throughout the city
standards it would be a combined three
acres as well so if you have if you were
a property owner that owned adjacent
property and combined it was three acres
or greater they would go to level three
real that's three like individual tax
parcels yes if they were if there were
more than one tax parcel under the same
ownership Jason or with as an area
adjacent under the same owner so what
does this do in the way of time delay
for developers or individuals who want
to develop their property and what does
it do for cost to developers cost for
developers I'm not sure what that would
do we could look into that and and maybe
come back to you about that as far as
time goes it would add time to the
review of their projects so currently if
they are under a threshold lower than
level two level three you know they'd be
going to level three review which would
be Development Commission
just a little bit of context so I'll
give you a specific example that may
help you guys put this into some
perspective so when we talked about the
neighborhood visions and we talked about
icy icy zone the intensive commercial
zone and if you remember we basically
decided to take all of icy out of
central Issaquah except for those
parcels right on East Lake Sam right and
we know one of those parcels Carlson
kennels is owned by the owner of
Evergreen Ford and they are planning to
build a new car dealership there so part
of what this changes so what the
threshold used to be in central Issaquah
was because when those standards were
put together the idea was we were trying
to facilitate development and so a lot
of development was being allowed to be
done administratively so you could do up
to a hundred thousand square feet of
building and that would be a level one
review it would not go it would not go
to the Development Commission and be
level two sorry level two would not go
to development Commission and so what
this does because now Eastlake Sam is a
major street that car dealership turns
into a level 3 review and that would go
to the development Commission and so
part of this is coming out of a
conversation with the end of the
development agreements and the adoption
of the replacement regulations which is
then came from Council which is that
there are certain streets in our town
that when things change on those streets
the community notices and cares and that
process should be more public which is
the Development Commission and so what
this change in code would do would be to
send more things to the Development
Commission when they're happening on
those major streets and that corresponds
to the map that Emily showed earlier and
so you know it's it's increasing the
transparency related to development
review to to Joan's question cost wise
there should be no cost difference
because the code is still the code it's
just changing the decision maker from
the city staff to the City Development
Commission but we're still we will be
writing the staff report it will just go
to DC for review and ultimate decision
so there's a time delay in that but the
decision should be the decision whether
it comes out of staff or whether comes
out of the Development Commission is
this gone to development convention for
discussion so code code amendments do
not go to development commission they
come to planning policy commission so I
recall going through this originally
when we were wrapping up the end of the
development agreements I came at this
from my former role on the U V DC and
found that losing that forum was
something that we were concerned about
and basically what this was designed to
do was to give a level of oversight that
we felt comfortable with not to put you
in the watchdog C DC but it also gave
the community a chance to speak rather
than feeling like things were happening
to them the dissolving the U V DC meant
that that needed to go somewhere and
this seemed like a good Avenue for there
to be a little bit of enough of a pause
and development that a review was
happening in a public space where people
were able to comment and able to see and
to better understand and what I found
from my work on it was that we got a
better result from really having that
interaction with the community rather
than kind of skipping that step and just
having a bead developer in a city I was
fourth then I'm for it now so we saw
that we saw this as solving a few
problems actually and I remember
speaking with Lucy about it as far as
what does that then look like and it was
too early to be able to say whether DC
got expanded and was larger because they
needed to have obviously absorbed this
workload do you see is already has a
pretty full docket and so there was
discussions with the city about how do
we how does this trickle down
but we felt pretty firmly that this
solved several issues I don't have a
problem with it I just wanted to know
the specific so that everybody was well
aware of of what was going on
do I have any comments from this hours
would be here I do have a question on
your chart yeah on the revised table I
stable okay
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yes that that's right
I don't see level three on there and
wonder why it level three drops off yeah
I'm not sure if that was a err or not
you don't see the changes on there so
that table would have level three you're
right yeah okay so level three even on
the handout it's not showing up it's a
gross it's a gross three acres or more
of gross floor area and that would be
combined any of the properties located
on the blue corridors and anything
greater than 45,000 square feet and
actually I should apologize the reason
why you don't see it on this particular
chart is because we whoops we took it
off from the chart the chart became too
cumbersome to actually read because
we've we wanted to squeeze too much into
those little boxes so we decided instead
of trying to squeeze in too much we
would just put it up above in text so if
you look in your packets up above you'll
see how level three is actually
described you would still have the chart
for levels zero and one correct yes yeah
because it just became so cumbersome we
actually decided to type it out in a
sentence and make it very clear I guess
my recommendation would be to have it in
the table I think for
a lot of people that it's all clearing
the table wherever if I'm a developer
and I'm looking to figure out where I
fit right I can see it in a table and
this big this bigger this big that's a
great idea and we could certainly go
back and look at that I know one of the
comments that was made is that the city
has numerous numerous footnotes and that
if we attempted to try to squeeze it
into the table it would just be a
footnote to the table so I'm willing to
work with you guys however you think it
would be best put in but I'll definitely
make that note in that comment I think
it would be best to salve level even if
level 2 is blank and then we skipped a
level 3 have that notated I'd rather
have notes a note saying I'd rather have
the cumbersome footnote than needing to
rely on text above ok doesn't me the
text above needs to go away I just think
that in addition to is but is preferred
perfect thank you since you're asking
for questions just a curiosity question
did you do any assessment of kind of
past development activity and match it
up against the new thresholds to see
what is the percentage of additional
projects it would be in front of the
Development Commission for just from a
workload management standpoint not that
you know we're not exactly that analysis
but we did take a look at the parcels
and noticed that it was you know over a
hundred parcels more would be added to
the development Commission's agenda
potentially we don't know when and if
those will actually come to surface but
there are very few parcels that don't
need any of the criteria and the one
that we wouldn't really be able to pin
down would be the the gross floor area
of proposed development as come in for
like free apps or collaboration meetings
there's really not a lot so so if this
code amendment goes through it's not
like you know a switch will turn and all
of a sudden there's going to be a ton of
things on your and we'll be asking you
guys to meet every every two or three
days that could happen though Mike you
know it's what
things where you know if if central
starts really taking off you know that
could definitely happen and and I think
we could always adjust Joey had a
suggestion earlier about you know we've
talked about making subcommittees
there's things we can do if we get to
that peak workload a moment but it's not
on the horizon right now I think you
guys are gonna get maybe a high school
in a middle school if the school
district can buy land but there's not a
lot after that you know I would defer to
my colleagues to icon and Mel who have
been are clearly the senior members of
the Development Commission in terms of I
got more do you do but it seems to me
that I recall the time that I've been on
that that and years ago we were doing
two applications a meeting and the
meetings were every you know every other
Wednesday and then it's on down so as
far as I'm concerned there's a there's a
there's some slack in there in terms of
what what we were able to handle I think
efficiently in terms of our committee
our our commitment individually to
development commission and where we've
been in the last you know eight years or
so so I'm not I'm not really without
understanding anymore that I do now I'm
not certainly not speaking for my
colleagues but I remember when we had a
lot more meetings with more applications
per meeting than we've had in a long
time you're ready for more applications
bring it on I just I think there's like
I think there's there is the slack right
between what we're what we've been doing
recently and what was the norm sometime
back I think the city would appreciate
more applications coming in for Central
Issaquah well and I I guess my two cents
would be that the opportunity to be more
more transparent you know we see
development happening often with nobody
knowing for sure what what's going on so
that that opportunity for transparency
is really high needs to be and it could
really develop some good feelings
towards the city to be able to have that
open and and more opportunity for public
input right I I agree and the
consistency with how the level three is
applied throughout the city is another
bonus to this change and just to throw a
totally green because I agree with
Commissioner Lewis a comment about all
her comments about the openness and the
ability for the public to have a chance
to come in a common thing because I
probably think at 150,000 square feet at
a thousand square foot unit somebody
theoretically right now could have a
hundred and fifty unit project come in
say on Gilman Boulevard it would not go
in front of a public hearing and that
would not seem appropriate in terms of
the openness of that we've always had
news across so I'm totally for this
amendment I think that was my concern
with the presentation of and I've just
lost my train of thought but if it was
going to come back if Gilman if the
Gilman Boulevard recommendations where
it's not going to come back to PPC then
I would be very disappointed because I
want that openness I mean that's the
reason PPC is here basically is besides
making comments and still that everybody
know what is going on in the community
so so I yes and I agree that there
should be as much on these
this chart is possible not only for
people to understand but I think it
makes it what would make it easier for
the Development Commission if it was
specific so that the builders could come
in and they could actually see on a
chart they didn't have to read something
they could see it on the chart and be
clear before they even got to DC would
the Commission feel comfortable with
staff going ahead and making that change
with the only change without coming back
again to another PPP PPC meeting yeah is
there anything else oh I think you
backing off joy and everybody else I
think like you said more transparency is
great we do need a motion a motion to
accept that change and having gone to
City Council so skew somebody like to me
excuse me so technically this is a
public hearing so we I realized there's
no one I don't know if but DC may want
to get up and speak his residence here
but I think we need to open the public
hearing and then close the public
hearing before making a recommendation
so I can open the public meeting before
we have a final vote on the motion so I
will open the public meeting you're in
regard to development and design
standards at 8:05 would anybody like to
come to the the microphone and make any
comments would anybody like to come to
the microphone and make any comments
hearing none I will close the public
meeting at 8:05 and a half and we will
continue on with the motion I like to
make a motion for the city to take this
to the City Council with PBC's approval
I have a second I'll second the adoption
of the finding of facts all those in
favor say aye aye opposed motion carries
you're welcome thank you Emily do you
have anything else to say no thank you
for your time tonight okay would you
learning Development Commission for
their great input on both of these
issues so thank you and you're certainly
welcome any time you want to come for
the the PPC and the DC to meet and have
the opportunity to actually discuss
things and ask questions at this level I
just I really just you know it's not if
it weren't mandatory but if it continues
to be hey you and then this is gonna be
the topic I think it's very especially
on big things like this I appreciate it
I agree we really appreciate your
collaboration and as I talked to Mel
earlier today it goes both ways so
anytime that DC would like to invite us
to come specifically to join them we are
we as a committee would be glad to take
part in any discussion
I remember some four-and-a-half-hour
meetings that planning policy had last
year over and over again so I think it's
your turn
so is there anything else for the good
of the order Joan would you would like
to hear any updates on things that have
gone to Landon Shore would you all like
to hear any updates on things that have
gone to Landon sure that you all
recommend it and where they might stand
I'm just thinking old town
Landon Shore recommended approval with
one change so it goes to Council on the
19th the partner to for 3a which she
looked at tonight permitted uses for 3b
went back to Landon Shore but is now
being recommended for approval by them
and also goes on the 19th and the last
one is wait again with a caveat yes so
so councilmember hunt
you remember her she she she was
concerned about prohibiting duplex
triplex and for plexes in mixed use in
the core her concern was about housing
diversity I think if you if you take out
duplex triplex and for plexes then is
the question that she raised is the only
housing that you would get stacked flats
and I think if all we were getting were
stacked flats and the core and mix use
is roughly 500 acres ish just under so
so so we we spooled up a conversation
about density and diversity so it's
turned into density and diversity so so
on one hand of the the spectrum is
diversity and you know do we want our
kind of core downtown part of the city
all stacked flats but on the flip side
and I think it's the reason why PPC I'll
initially
busted removing duplex triplex four-plex
from those zones is can we afford to
develop redevelop part of our most dense
part of central Issaquah in such a
low-density product type and so
basically because it's it's complicated
question and we had a month or less to
actually start to provide an analysis we
we kicked the can so what is going back
to council on the 19th on table for 3b
is to adopt the edits that came through
PPC except for reserving the removal of
duplex triplex four-plex
until a bigger a bigger analysis of
density and diversity of housing can be
done by the administration in 2019 so
they basically pulled that one piece out
and didn't say we don't support it said
we need more information we want to go
ahead and get the rest of 4-3 be adopted
but this one element needs to have a
bigger conversation and so that will
likely be something that the
administration starts with brings back
to PPC and then back to Council to
resolve it next year so sorry for that
it was that's okay no it was good to
include and then the last one is the
zoning of the intensive commercial and
what was destination retail they were
pulled out of central Issaquah and they
are being recommended for approval but
the destination retail area and I
believe the development standards that
you've all discussed with the property
owners are remaining essentially the
same what's changing is the name it's
not going to be destination retail it
will be mixed use so the area south of
i90 so that has also been recommended
for approval and once that happens the
boundaries the new centralized Daquan
neighborhoods and the boundaries will
become effective the visions are already
in place but everything else
will become effective was that happening
it that also goes on the 19th and the
everything should become effective by
around the end of November November 30th
I like hearing the feedback that's
really nice
you're welcome we like knowing that
council agrees that's what we came up
with that's even better
hearing no other comments concerns I'm
going to close the meeting at 8:12 and
remind everybody that there was a
meeting on the 15th currently you'll all
be here occurring Pickering room thank
you
you