Planning Policy Commission · Thursday, August 23, 2018 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Staff report:

Planning Policy Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Trish Heinonen, Planning Manager policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides Email guidance and direction for Issaquah’s future growth through continued review and improvement to the Regular Members City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related 2019 – Joan Probala land use documents. 2020 – Ron Faul 2020 – Troy Rahmig Membership 2022 – Joy Lewis The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2022 – Vacant seven regular members, with four-year terms; and 2022 – Bill Rinehart several alternates, with two-year terms. All 2022 – Lindsey Walsh members are appointed by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire Alternate Members April 30 of the year listed. For more information, 2020 – AJ McGauley see IMC 18.03. 2020 – Vacant 2020 – Jason Voiss 2020 – Vacant

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of July 12, 2018

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Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Aug 9, 2018

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Staff report:

CITY OF ISSAQUAH PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION MINUTES

4. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Upcoming Schedule

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Staff report:

OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS a) 2018 PPC Schedule (tentative) (updated 8/1/18) All meetings located in Council Chambers unless noted May September 5/10/18 9/13/18 Comprehensive Plan Amendments a) Talus End of DAs – Parcel 9 – remand from Council (public continued hearing) b) Olde Town Plan – vision/policies wrap up (public hearing) 9/27/18 Comprehensive Plan Amendments c) Transportation Improvement Program (TIP) 5/24/18: continued a) Training – (new & existing members) b) Olde Town Plan – Tour June October 6/14/18 10/11/18 (TENTATIVE) Comp Plan a) Official date new members begin: elect Chair/Vice Chair Amendments (public hearing) b) 2018 Parks Strategic Plan - (public hearing) c) Olde Town Plan: recommendation (continued public hearing) d) Intro: Gilman Blvd Visioning 10/25/18 (TENTATIVE) Central Issaquah Standards amendments 6/21/18 SPECIAL MEETING: Rezones of Destination Retail and…

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0:16 ↗ like to talk at the public hearing

0:18 ↗ there's just no reasoning and welcome to

0:26 ↗ the August 23rd meeting the Planning

0:28 ↗ Policy Commission tonight we're going to

0:31 ↗ have a public hearing on the development

0:35 ↗ and design standards for Central

0:37 ↗ Issaquah but before we get into that I

0:39 ↗ need a motion to approve the minutes of

0:43 ↗ our last meeting of July the 12th I'd

0:46 ↗ like to make a motion to approve the

0:48 ↗ minutes of July 12th are there any

0:51 ↗ Corrections a second I know I know

0:55 ↗ second second all those in favor say aye

0:58 ↗ aye aye opposed motion carries so with

1:03 ↗ that I'm gonna open up discussion Trish

1:08 ↗ for what the city proposes for the

1:11 ↗ aminute land uses great first of all I

1:15 ↗ have two really big announcements really

1:18 ↗ big the first really big announcement

1:21 ↗ emily has joined our small but mighty

1:25 ↗ long-range planning division staff she's

1:28 ↗ been here a week we have a moment at the

1:32 ↗ end

1:33 ↗ introduce yourself welcome her and tell

1:35 ↗ her we are so happy to have her here

1:38 ↗ it's just fun a great week I can't even

1:40 ↗ begin to explain how happy Kristin and I

1:43 ↗ are that's number one number two today

1:47 ↗ the 23rd is the effective date of your

1:51 ↗ district visions remember all that work

1:54 ↗ today they went into effect they have

1:57 ↗ not yet been loaded onto the website

1:59 ↗ because we had some technical

2:00 ↗ difficulties however tomorrow bright and

2:03 ↗ early I'm gonna post them if I can fix

2:06 ↗ whatever's the matter but I wanted you

2:09 ↗ all to know thank you again for the

2:11 ↗ hours and hours and hours and hours you

2:15 ↗ all spent making them so great so thank

2:18 ↗ you for that and today is the big day

2:20 ↗ you may remember that the boundaries we

2:24 ↗ changed the effective date to change the

2:26 ↗ boundaries because we're still working

2:27 ↗ through the destination reached

2:29 ↗ and the icy zoning piece of those

2:32 ↗ properties we're going to council in

2:33 ↗ September to get more direction on that

2:35 ↗ so the boundaries aren't effective today

2:37 ↗ just the district visions okay so those

2:41 ↗ are the two announcements before we dive

2:42 ↗ into yet another project okay any

2:45 ↗ questions on those two things Before we

2:47 ↗ jump in okay

2:50 ↗ tonight is central Issaquah permitted

2:54 ↗ use table and you might wonder huh don't

2:58 ↗ remember this on our work plan why are

3:00 ↗ why are we doing this well when we

3:02 ↗ looked at the storage units and the

3:04 ↗ hotels that perhaps limiting both of

3:06 ↗ them and when it got through council

3:08 ↗ they ended up only limiting the storage

3:11 ↗ self storage units in central they ask

3:14 ↗ the question why are we only looking at

3:17 ↗ hotels and self-storage units why don't

3:19 ↗ we look at all of the permitted uses in

3:22 ↗ central Issaquah to see if they meet

3:24 ↗ with what we believe the vision to be

3:26 ↗ for central Issaquah and so we did a

3:29 ↗ work session with them and we kind of

3:31 ↗ did a real basic well okay let's pull

3:34 ↗ these deuces out and they said that

3:35 ↗ looks like you should go ahead with that

3:37 ↗ so that's what we did that's what's in

3:39 ↗ your packet and also in your packet is

3:41 ↗ the letter that we sent to over 800

3:45 ↗ property owners in central Issaquah to

3:48 ↗ let them know that maybe the permitted

3:50 ↗ land use table might change that we're

3:53 ↗ looking at it and we want them to be

3:55 ↗ involved and we want them to know about

3:56 ↗ it and to come and talk to you all at

4:00 ↗ the public hearing so the proposed

4:04 ↗ changes first off and foremost and I'm

4:07 ↗ probably gonna save this five more times

4:08 ↗ no existing businesses are affected if

4:14 ↗ you're there now you're there now and

4:16 ↗ we're so happy to have you there now and

4:18 ↗ there's nothing to change what you're

4:21 ↗ doing now you're okay there's it's not

4:24 ↗ we're not making anybody go away that is

4:26 ↗ very important okay

4:28 ↗ I'll probably say that again though

4:29 ↗ we're trying to limit the uses that

4:32 ↗ aren't the vibrant pedestrian Orient's

4:35 ↗ oriented that add to all that great

4:37 ↗ urban part that you all put in the

4:39 ↗ district visions

4:41 ↗ and I have some on the top of the letter

4:44 ↗ we actually pulled out the verbatim

4:46 ↗ criteria people that we used when we

4:48 ↗ were pulling limiting uses we also

4:51 ↗ clarified where the if the uses were

4:54 ↗ limited and central where they are

4:57 ↗ permitted in other parts of the city

4:59 ↗ that aren't in central and aren't in the

5:01 ↗ urban villages just so a property owner

5:03 ↗ if they wanted to open another whatever

5:06 ↗ it is that they had other choices we

5:09 ↗ also clarified some footnotes so that

5:12 ↗ some of the uses that maybe didn't sound

5:14 ↗ on the surface that they were real

5:16 ↗ pedestrian vibrant like some of the

5:18 ↗ manufacturing ones that actually kind of

5:20 ↗ have that cool component you don't like

5:23 ↗ a coffee roaster or a you know clothing

5:26 ↗ fabrication we added a footnote that

5:28 ↗ they have to have a retail component to

5:32 ↗ kind of have that face on the street

5:34 ↗ part of it that would make it kind of a

5:36 ↗ cool a cool urban use and here's the

5:40 ↗ summary table there aren't many uses

5:42 ↗ that we actually did pull took for

5:45 ↗ Proposal you got your jail the

5:49 ↗ correction facility you have your

5:51 ↗ heliport and your helipad and your

5:53 ↗ health stop you've got your agricultural

5:56 ↗ food processing your building materials

5:59 ↗ storage and sales your metal fabrication

6:02 ↗ hazardous waste storage you're getting

6:05 ↗ sort of a feel for for you know these

6:07 ↗ are you know sort of loud sort of maybe

6:11 ↗ more impactful on a neighborhood so this

6:14 ↗ is the list it's not a really long list

6:16 ↗ for a permitted use table the footnotes

6:22 ↗ I mentioned a couple of the footnotes we

6:24 ↗ clarified about vet clinics and with

6:27 ↗ animals that that their only accessory

6:31 ↗ and the storage the boarding has to be

6:33 ↗ indoors this I told you already about

6:37 ↗ the light manufacturing that they have

6:38 ↗ to have a retail component to it that's

6:43 ↗ the actual language if you missed it in

6:45 ↗ your packet there's a new one that we

6:49 ↗ added we realized that because we took

6:53 ↗ some of the intensive commercial land

6:55 ↗ I see in the in central we didn't take

6:58 ↗ it out of I see we took some of the icy

7:00 ↗ land out of Central and the only pieces

7:03 ↗ now that are in central are right on the

7:05 ↗ main road remember when we adjusted the

7:07 ↗ boundary so there's only like maybe four

7:09 ↗ we thought that would seem a little odd

7:12 ↗ to allow adult entertainment facilities

7:14 ↗ in those four little ones parcels so

7:17 ↗ we're proposing to add that to the list

7:20 ↗ of limitations they can still go in all

7:22 ↗ the other IC that are outside central

7:24 ↗ but that was one we wanted to add for

7:26 ↗ your consideration tonight and I also

7:28 ↗ found two errors in what you all

7:31 ↗ received and one was we had said we

7:35 ↗ added a footnote for plant nurseries

7:37 ↗ that they could display their wares on a

7:40 ↗ street but then we said they weren't

7:42 ↗ permitted anywhere so that course

7:45 ↗ doesn't make sense so plant nurseries

7:47 ↗ are permitted in these zones that they

7:50 ↗ were before but the footnote that they

7:53 ↗ can actually have a display they can't

7:54 ↗ have storage on the main road but they

7:57 ↗ can have really cool displays so we

7:59 ↗ wanted to make that clear for plant

8:00 ↗ nurseries and the other one error that I

8:03 ↗ found was we had done this self storage

8:06 ↗ before the amendment for self storage

8:08 ↗ went through so it still had the

8:10 ↗ proposal and not the final version so

8:12 ↗ this is actually the final version of

8:13 ↗ self storage okay so those are the the

8:17 ↗ errors that we corrected just in case

8:20 ↗ you were curious you might ask

8:22 ↗ Trish how many acres are in those other

8:24 ↗ zones where users can go Kristen did a

8:28 ↗ really great table to show that oddly

8:30 ↗ enough even though we have retail zoning

8:34 ↗ and mixed-use residential zoning listed

8:37 ↗ in our land use code outside central at

8:41 ↗ this moment we have no land there so

8:44 ↗ that's that's a good trivia question if

8:47 ↗ anyone should ask you the other areas we

8:50 ↗ do have land and lots of land again this

8:52 ↗ doesn't take into effect that it's

8:54 ↗ vacant or redevelop a bowl or anything

8:56 ↗ like that it just is how many acres of

8:59 ↗ land outside Central but not in the

9:01 ↗ highlands or talus are in these zones

9:03 ↗ that we refer to in the in the chart

9:07 ↗ are there any questions on that okay

9:13 ↗ this is the zoning map it's hard to see

9:16 ↗ but it's in your packet if you were

9:18 ↗ curious you know where is the mixed use

9:21 ↗ zone and it's not up there you're not

9:23 ↗ gonna find it up there but where is the

9:25 ↗ professional office zone that there's

9:27 ↗ only a few acres left and it's the very

9:28 ↗ northernmost part of the map

9:31 ↗ another good trivia question if you get

9:34 ↗ asked so after tonight you're gonna hear

9:39 ↗ from the public

9:40 ↗ we got a few letters I think that I sent

9:42 ↗ you before the last one one from Lowe's

9:45 ↗ that they were worried about what if

9:47 ↗ they wanted to expand and it's okay for

9:49 ↗ them to expand there's there's criteria

9:52 ↗ and a process in the central standards

9:54 ↗ for expanding that doesn't call you a

9:57 ↗ non-conforming or doesn't refer to

9:59 ↗ anything like that about being a

10:00 ↗ permitted use or not and so we I had

10:04 ↗ sent you that one if you're feeling

10:06 ↗ comfortable tonight you can make a

10:08 ↗ recommendation to the council and if

10:10 ↗ that should happen then we would go to

10:13 ↗ Landon Shore on September 6th and then

10:15 ↗ hopefully have council action in October

10:18 ↗ are there questions about any or all of

10:21 ↗ this okay so what would I'm done

10:30 ↗ don't go away this is my presentation in

10:35 ↗ the public hearing and then I know that

10:37 ↗ there are a bunch of questions that you

10:39 ↗ guys have I saw a lot of red lines on

10:42 ↗ your packet so about if that's okay with

10:45 ↗ you guys okay so I'm going to open the

10:48 ↗ public hearing here do it want me over

10:51 ↗ here open up the public hearing yes

10:59 ↗ forty-three and asked if there's anybody

11:03 ↗ who would like to make a comment on the

11:05 ↗ proposal the central area development is

11:11 ↗ there anybody who would like to make a

11:13 ↗ comment yes ma'am I think you're

11:15 ↗ supposed to say it three times seeing it

11:19 ↗ no one that is here to discuss or make

11:25 ↗ any changes to the proposals that the

11:27 ↗ city is is presenting I'm going to close

11:31 ↗ the public hearing at 6:44 and open it

11:34 ↗ up to discussion for the Commission I

11:38 ↗ know that there were some comments about

11:40 ↗ going through each one and going through

11:42 ↗ each group so if I'm what is the

11:50 ↗ consensus of the Commission is it

11:53 ↗ sufficient to go through each group to

11:55 ↗ see if you have questions about the

11:56 ↗ group I would start John by asking if

11:58 ↗ right now for some reason the agenda

12:00 ↗ lists audience comments after our

12:02 ↗ announcements which are generally at the

12:04 ↗ conclusion of the meeting so in case

12:06 ↗ someone from the public decides to pop

12:07 ↗ in while we're still having a meeting

12:09 ↗ that we may open up the public comment

12:11 ↗ later on since right now on the agenda

12:12 ↗ it's listed at 8:45 right and we were we

12:16 ↗ were told that we that the agenda has to

12:19 ↗ have an audience comment section if you

12:21 ↗ have a public hearing so people that

12:23 ↗ just show up and want to talk to you

12:24 ↗ about important things that they have a

12:26 ↗ spot even though it might not be what

12:28 ↗ the topic of the public hearing is and

12:30 ↗ so that's why that's on there doesn't

12:33 ↗ that usually put prior to our other

12:35 ↗ business though okay I'm just concerned

12:40 ↗ about it was marked so late

12:42 ↗ that in case people were coming by so on

12:45 ↗ the off chance that someone comes if

12:47 ↗ somebody comes I don't I don't think

12:48 ↗ we've ever limited people to make

12:51 ↗ comments but I did the public hearing

12:54 ↗ first so to make sure that if there was

12:56 ↗ suggestions from the community that we

12:58 ↗ wanted to be aware of before we started

13:00 ↗ our discussion yeah so since there are

13:02 ↗ none we're going to go into our

13:04 ↗ discussion and if anybody who is out

13:07 ↗ there in the real and would like to come

13:10 ↗ in and make

13:10 ↗ any comments specifically about this

13:14 ↗ would certainly allow them to make a

13:18 ↗ public comment it won't be in the public

13:21 ↗ hearing is that phosphorus yeah that's

13:23 ↗ okay thank you you have a question so in

13:25 ↗ terms of like a public hearing that

13:27 ↗ would be on record but public comments

13:29 ↗ towards the end that's not on record you

13:31 ↗ know public comments usually end up in

13:34 ↗ the minutes anyway

13:36 ↗ okay so what is your suggestion do you

13:42 ↗ want to go each line or do you want to

13:44 ↗ go in groups you can still take out the

13:48 ↗ lines in the group so I think groups

13:51 ↗ okay oops

13:54 ↗ starting at the beginning is there any

14:00 ↗ changes questions about agricultural

14:03 ↗ resources going on to residential yes

14:15 ↗ okay so I think it's a good change to

14:18 ↗ remove the mixed use single-family I'm

14:24 ↗ wondering if there are any concerns with

14:28 ↗ still allowing duplexes or single-family

14:33 ↗ three-to-four attached in the urban core

14:36 ↗ and mixed-use considering our general

14:41 ↗ goal is toward more density and

14:46 ↗ mixed-use presence which those types of

14:51 ↗ uses would not allow for vertical mix

14:54 ↗ use so I'm wondering whether anybody has

14:57 ↗ any concerns on that arena my concern is

15:03 ↗ that some of the larger Lots such as the

15:10 ↗ BMC if that was to be taken out as

15:14 ↗ duplex and put in as duplexes or things

15:17 ↗ like that well that does build up

15:19 ↗ potential I'm not sure if it creates the

15:22 ↗ density and walkability that we are

15:26 ↗ looking for in this area the rumor BBM

15:31 ↗ sees moving something no it's just one

15:33 ↗ of those Lots that is larger and could

15:37 ↗ sell and become a large swath of housing

15:43 ↗ that would kind of if something like

15:46 ↗ that happened whether it's BMC or

15:48 ↗ another lot it would kind of dictate the

15:50 ↗ feel of that area so explain to me

15:55 ↗ exactly what your proposal is well my my

15:59 ↗ thought process and concern is that our

16:01 ↗ whole goal in matter whole goal but one

16:06 ↗ of the things we were concerned about in

16:08 ↗ looking to change things about the urban

16:13 ↗ core is to make sure that it is zoned

16:16 ↗ and prepared for more dense uses and so

16:24 ↗ I'm concerned looking at urban core and

16:26 ↗ mixed-use as far as the zoning districts

16:29 ↗ and still seeing that they allow things

16:33 ↗ like duplexes which I'm not sure if they

16:37 ↗ meet that criteria I completely

16:42 ↗ overlooked that and I have to agree

16:47 ↗ I really shouldn't let me tell you the

16:50 ↗ reason I was looking at it is we

16:52 ↗ eliminated single-family homes from

16:55 ↗ mixed-use and they weren't allowed in

16:57 ↗ urban core but I wanted to go a little

16:59 ↗ bit further and see if there was a

17:01 ↗ thought process around still allowing

17:04 ↗ duplexes right I think that's a really

17:08 ↗ good point we didn't I think we were

17:14 ↗ going off for the commercial kinds of

17:15 ↗ uses and we didn't pay that much

17:17 ↗ attention to that so that's a good catch

17:18 ↗ Lindsay and would it just are you

17:22 ↗ thinking just an urban core or an urban

17:24 ↗ core in mixed juice so I think urban

17:25 ↗ core and mixed-use because when we had

17:27 ↗ that conversation about kind of should

17:30 ↗ we consider that area of an excuse which

17:33 ↗ what was that called like east lake or

17:35 ↗ what did we end up with the name on it

17:37 ↗ but basically we said we don't want that

17:40 ↗ to continue to be lower density

17:45 ↗ necessarily than the urban core okay

17:47 ↗ and the only allowed use then would be

17:50 ↗ in the dwellings multi-family five or

17:52 ↗ more units is that what you believe we

17:54 ↗ would take out both the other two I

17:56 ↗ don't know exactly where my thoughts are

17:59 ↗ there other than I envisioned that area

18:03 ↗ to be vertical mixed-use or higher

18:08 ↗ density and so whether higher density

18:12 ↗ would include either more units I mean

18:15 ↗ if they were vertical that might make

18:17 ↗ sense if they were all horizontal that

18:22 ↗ seems to me very similar to a duplex

18:24 ↗ yeah I agree and and in going with your

18:27 ↗ train of thought I think if we're going

18:29 ↗ to take a take away the duplexes then

18:31 ↗ also taking away the single-family three

18:33 ↗ to four attached doesn't fit within the

18:35 ↗ scheme thinking about mattes it's

18:38 ↗ already eliminated I'm not in urban core

18:42 ↗ below the line below at Lindsey Glen is

18:47 ↗ that the one you mean Julie the one yeah

18:48 ↗ so that one's so removed then so then

18:52 ↗ your argument you brought up with the

18:53 ↗ duplexes but then we start going to

18:54 ↗ single-family three to four attached you

18:56 ↗ I think it extends to that as well yes

18:58 ↗ and I would agree that I had all of them

19:01 ↗ boxed and I think they're probably still

19:05 ↗ appropriate in village residential and

19:08 ↗ mixed-use residential considering what

19:11 ↗ those are but it's really the urban core

19:13 ↗ and mixed-use zoning districts okay so

19:22 ↗ it sounds like we're kind of all moving

19:24 ↗ in that direction is that aligned with

19:29 ↗ Trish what you guys have been thinking

19:31 ↗ that makes sense to me now that you said

19:34 ↗ it out loud I just went right to that we

19:36 ↗ just went right to the commercial page

19:37 ↗ so that's a good catch both of you good

19:41 ↗ catch are we an accessory unit uses now

19:53 ↗ nothing any common

19:57 ↗ I'm like Wi-Fi public I do have a

20:03 ↗ question here so I have a an argument

20:07 ↗ and vols intensive commercial and this

20:12 ↗ has actually spans quite a few of them I

20:14 ↗ won't get into those right now the look

20:18 ↗ at intensive commercial and I worry that

20:20 ↗ if we allow too much in intensive

20:24 ↗ commercial and we start building up in

20:30 ↗ urban core and mixed-use a lot of these

20:34 ↗ things that would potentially serve

20:36 ↗ bests in these urban core mixed use

20:41 ↗ areas may actually move over to

20:43 ↗ intensive commercial because of lower

20:45 ↗ rents and by doing that could actually

20:48 ↗ push the services and offerings that we

20:52 ↗ need in defense of commercial outs

20:56 ↗ because they would not be able to afford

20:58 ↗ the rents there'd be creating demand an

21:01 ↗ area that we really need to reserve for

21:05 ↗ intensive commercial though things like

21:09 ↗ banquet hall where there's a lot of

21:13 ↗ higher concentration of people maybe

21:16 ↗ attending might be best served in a

21:19 ↗ hotel type environment or in the urban

21:22 ↗ core where those people's services and

21:25 ↗ sewing could be met and plus we're

21:27 ↗ bringing traffic into the urban core and

21:30 ↗ mixed use areas where there's retail

21:31 ↗ services where there would not be an

21:33 ↗ urban core or intensive commercial so

21:35 ↗ that's my argument for not having an

21:39 ↗ quite median reception hall in intensive

21:42 ↗ commercial because it's kind of out of

21:43 ↗ place but you like all the other things

21:48 ↗ and then looking here the other thought

21:53 ↗ was transit station I really should not

21:57 ↗ be when you look at light I'm - bus taxi

22:01 ↗ van transit station transit station

22:04 ↗ probably should not be part of mixed-use

22:08 ↗ residential or village residential and

22:12 ↗ intensive commercial that's too heavy I

22:19 ↗ think for mixed-use residential and

22:23 ↗ village residential and it's too out of

22:25 ↗ place for intensive commercial so on

22:28 ↗ that idea Trish I know there's a

22:30 ↗ separate one for park-and-ride what then

22:33 ↗ would be the difference between a

22:35 ↗ park-and-ride and a transit station I

22:37 ↗ think I always think of a transit

22:38 ↗ station as being a little sort of a

22:40 ↗ little guy like the mini the mini me

22:43 ↗ that that you would want them everywhere

22:45 ↗ just to help out your mobility like a

22:48 ↗ bus stop because I know we call the

22:51 ↗ Issaquah Transit Center with the

22:53 ↗ park-and-ride right that but that's

22:56 ↗ right but it's parking right right but

22:58 ↗ that's I think of that is the those are

23:00 ↗ two are big even though one's a park and

23:01 ↗ ride and ones that but that's I'm not I

23:04 ↗ would have to check the central

23:05 ↗ standards to see if we actually have a

23:07 ↗ definition of what it is and how big it

23:10 ↗ is I wouldn't want to eliminate bus

23:12 ↗ stops in any of that's what I assumed I

23:15 ↗ was reading it was I was I was assuming

23:17 ↗ like bench you know this you know a bus

23:20 ↗ stop effectively as a transit station

23:22 ↗ versus a transit center right so I read

23:25 ↗ it a little differently than Ron didn't

23:27 ↗ so I I was thinking that permitting

23:28 ↗ music everywhere was appropriate so a

23:31 ↗ definition on that transit station would

23:33 ↗ right and because it is the bigger

23:36 ↗ denser ones I would tend to agree with

23:38 ↗ Ron right and because they're public or

23:40 ↗ quasi public I'm picturing that there

23:43 ↗ it's a it's a metro it's a Sound Transit

23:45 ↗ it's a something that that's a great

23:48 ↗ you're able to but I can check what the

23:51 ↗ definition of if there is a definition

23:53 ↗ of transit station and if it if it's a

23:56 ↗ if it's only in a big way

23:59 ↗ can cross that out but you would want a

24:01 ↗ bus taxi or let me if I'm understanding

24:04 ↗ you correctly you would want a bus taxi

24:07 ↗ and a band station could stay there okay

24:10 ↗ yes yeah I interpret transit station as

24:13 ↗ like a large yeah all right Park and

24:17 ↗ Ride structure is separated out so

24:20 ↗ that's why I didn't it's a good question

24:23 ↗ right something that we should look into

24:26 ↗ and then as far as what ron was saying

24:30 ↗ otherwise as banquet well yeah and just

24:35 ↗ generally protecting intensive

24:37 ↗ commercial I think that is a good

24:40 ↗ thought process and something that we

24:43 ↗ would definitely want to protect however

24:48 ↗ I think this is one of those areas that

24:50 ↗ the market and the existing land uses

24:54 ↗ would do in itself just because somebody

24:58 ↗ wouldn't necessarily choose to put their

25:01 ↗ item there when they could put their

25:04 ↗ banquet hall in an area that has more

25:08 ↗ services around it so I would be

25:11 ↗ inclined to let the market decide that

25:14 ↗ okay

25:15 ↗ I would also keep them permitted uses

25:17 ↗ only because I think of things like the

25:21 ↗ church down the street that's also now

25:23 ↗ an Arts Center I think of Pickering barn

25:25 ↗ I think of rather than necessarily an

25:27 ↗ establishment coming in and dictating a

25:29 ↗ banquet hall only situation and being

25:33 ↗ able to garner a profit from strictly

25:35 ↗ having that I think of these multi-use

25:37 ↗ spaces that can be used for that purpose

25:38 ↗ as well which I think actually does fit

25:42 ↗ with our live work situations so I

25:44 ↗ didn't have a problem with that for sure

25:46 ↗ they're saying oh the idea is to live

25:49 ↗ work and play so you want transportation

25:52 ↗ and you want facilities to keep the

25:55 ↗ people there instead of in their cars

25:57 ↗ and driving away you have to be really

25:59 ↗ careful with eliminating a lot of this

26:02 ↗ stuff

26:03 ↗ it's good you guys are being so

26:05 ↗ thoughtful about it was was there a

26:07 ↗ final determination about banquet-hall

26:10 ↗ I'm for keeping it teaching it permitted

26:12 ↗ I think the consensus is keeping

26:14 ↗ scraping it okay I did to find it odd

26:17 ↗ that we were allowing the use for the

26:19 ↗ funeral home mortuary in in the urban

26:23 ↗ core

26:23 ↗ I didn't seem to me to be right in line

26:28 ↗ but again if the administration felt

26:31 ↗ that that's something we need in a

26:33 ↗ walkable way I guess means probably

26:36 ↗ there for convenience but you might not

26:42 ↗ feel that way to remove it from the

26:45 ↗ urban core yeah I can see why that would

26:48 ↗ be one to potentially remove

26:55 ↗ okay if you're gonna do that again

26:57 ↗ remove the memorial its Chapel I know

27:00 ↗ they not go together that's a very good

27:04 ↗ point unless it's a virtual I don't

27:12 ↗ think we regulate them express memorial

27:14 ↗ service so strikeout memorial chapel and

27:22 ↗ he was questioning our suggestion by

27:25 ↗ pointing out another thing that is

27:27 ↗ similar and should not be removed I see

27:30 ↗ them as having different uses I saw this

27:34 ↗ being separate one being more you know

27:37 ↗ ap or the before and maybe a memorial

27:39 ↗ chapel as though right after and then

27:44 ↗ park and right so hang on though before

27:46 ↗ we leave so we're keeping that memorial

27:48 ↗ chapel but we're not keeping the funeral

27:52 ↗ okay

27:53 ↗ oh and they're just in there before okay

27:55 ↗ that's what I have this is still part of

27:56 ↗ that section Park & Ride lot or

27:59 ↗ structure I'm for removing those from

28:04 ↗ mixed use residential and village

28:06 ↗ residential lots in mixed use that's a

28:14 ↗ pretty highly trafficked area and he

28:18 ↗ said mixed-use residential and village

28:20 ↗ residential housing you you know they're

28:22 ↗ so similar the only reason I would

28:25 ↗ consider keeping it as someone who grew

28:29 ↗ up in the Bay Area there are a lot of

28:30 ↗ little Lots where you can kind of have a

28:34 ↗ bunch of people Park and then commute

28:37 ↗ together and so I could I don't know

28:40 ↗ whether that is considered in that kind

28:43 ↗ of Park and Ride parking lot idea but I

28:45 ↗ could see that be I feel like we need

28:48 ↗ more of it and so the idea of

28:50 ↗ restricting it seems odd to me but I

28:52 ↗ don't think that this necessarily is a

28:54 ↗ guiding principle as to where they're

28:55 ↗ gonna pop down a giant you know Sound

28:58 ↗ Transit Center so to me the more access

29:03 ↗ we have in the more places for people to

29:04 ↗ congregate and use mass transit

29:06 ↗ more than we're going for so I can see

29:10 ↗ the idea that it doesn't really fit in

29:12 ↗ to either of those areas I could be

29:18 ↗ swayed either way on this but I think

29:20 ↗ generally transit is better

29:22 ↗ I want asterisks that and say like a

29:25 ↗ small or medium limited up to a certain

29:31 ↗ square class or something like that

29:34 ↗ number of spaces are something I would

29:36 ↗ have no expertise at knowing what - yeah

29:39 ↗ and that wouldn't even make a difference

29:41 ↗ because it would be the concern of the

29:44 ↗ vertical versus horizontal are we

29:50 ↗ looking at park-and-ride strictly is

29:53 ↗ park-and-ride or if you're doing if

29:56 ↗ you're putting it in mixed juice you

29:58 ↗ need parking so you want to change edit

30:07 ↗ Pacific I mean I think we need parking

30:10 ↗ so I don't want to limit parking in

30:13 ↗ either one of these areas yeah I would

30:16 ↗ leave it I was happy with it being too

30:18 ↗ crossed okay okay incentives leave it

30:22 ↗ yeah okay

30:24 ↗ [Applause]

30:26 ↗ social services fine go into essential

30:30 ↗ public facilities anything that

30:38 ↗ nothing pops up I mean in public outdoor

30:47 ↗ recreation we really want a variety of

30:51 ↗ sports fields in the urban core wait

30:54 ↗ where are you you're skipping ahead

30:57 ↗ still tube sections early art school

31:01 ↗ research schools I was like yeah schools

31:04 ↗ everywhere Morse code like the

31:08 ↗ unspecified essential public yeah

31:10 ↗ absolutely yeah that's a state a state

31:14 ↗ term yeah yep to cover all those things

31:18 ↗ that we don't know about yet do we want

31:21 ↗ schools in the urban core and mix juice

31:24 ↗ and no that's a kind of a saygus yeah

31:28 ↗ when you say schools are these are we

31:30 ↗ talking about large schools or small

31:32 ↗ private schools small charters does this

31:34 ↗ include everything from Kim on learning

31:38 ↗ centers it has schools well what is p3

31:42 ↗ say what is the learning would not

31:45 ↗ probably here no that would be in the

31:48 ↗ retail services area this looks mostly

31:52 ↗ like it wouldn't be private right yeah

31:55 ↗ yeah so these do include things such as

31:59 ↗ a high school and things like that

32:07 ↗ I don't know if they'd ever have enough

32:09 ↗ land to go in there but if there's a

32:11 ↗ possibility for us to get a school for

32:13 ↗ our kids then I think a neighborhood

32:16 ↗ school is yep okay so done with schools

32:23 ↗ uh-huh

32:25 ↗ excellent utilities be pretty hard to

32:32 ↗ limit utilities just just so you know

32:34 ↗ what's been going sort of one of those

32:37 ↗ city requirements you need electric and

32:41 ↗ yeah sadly sadly that's part of the

32:45 ↗ reason for being a software recreation

32:47 ↗ so I'll raise again specifically

32:50 ↗ regarding fields not to go forward to

32:54 ↗ the picnic areas but just a variety of

32:57 ↗ sporting fields and isn't really

32:59 ↗ anything that we're wanting in the urban

33:00 ↗ core or mixed-use to be honest if

33:04 ↗ they're on top of a building

33:05 ↗ could be I was I'm not touching parks or

33:10 ↗ picnic area but like for Tibbets and the

33:16 ↗ area just south of the Lake Sammamish

33:20 ↗ State Park

33:21 ↗ there's several actual fields in those

33:25 ↗ existing areas that I think work quite

33:28 ↗ nicely and provide access to those types

33:32 ↗ of things as they currently are yeah I

33:35 ↗ seen you imagine like you know BMC going

33:38 ↗ away and turning into a variety of you

33:41 ↗ know soccer fields navdy acres in

33:44 ↗ Redmond yeah so so maybe keeping it in

33:50 ↗ mixed-use residential and village

33:52 ↗ residential as your argument is saying

33:54 ↗ you know putting the fields where the

33:56 ↗ people are but where we're trying to put

33:58 ↗ our high-density well shouldn't the

34:00 ↗ people in high-density situations have

34:02 ↗ access to walkable environments whether

34:06 ↗ it be soccer fields or schools or parks

34:12 ↗ I don't know that everything can be

34:13 ↗ walkable when you live in

34:14 ↗ a high density true so but if the

34:17 ↗ possibility exists I think they should

34:21 ↗ have the ability to have and use those

34:26 ↗ types of facility well they could just

34:28 ↗ certainly catch a bus and go up to the

34:29 ↗ Highlands I mean it's not ones first

34:31 ↗ jerking their use of the fields it's

34:32 ↗ just saying do they belong in the urban

34:35 ↗ core I don't think they belong in the

34:37 ↗ center of the urban core I agree that

34:39 ↗ idea maybe they were in core but not the

34:42 ↗ mixed-use I mean yeah I don't know I

34:44 ↗ mean can we see that when we talked

34:46 ↗ about what we're doing we were doing our

34:48 ↗ tour of like the future of what is right

34:50 ↗ now home depot and Fred Meyer and

34:53 ↗ talking about what that is gonna be in

34:54 ↗ 20 years I mean can you see that having

34:58 ↗ huge chunks of that now being sporting

34:59 ↗ fields so I mean and you know it quite

35:02 ↗ honestly now that I think about it more

35:03 ↗ all of those types of sporting fields

35:07 ↗ right where they exist right now are

35:09 ↗ currently outside there well no they're

35:12 ↗ there in this area but they're already

35:14 ↗ zoned as community facilities recreation

35:17 ↗ yeah so like Tibbets down there is

35:19 ↗ already zoned for that and so again I

35:23 ↗ would leader Park and I really need like

35:25 ↗ you know neighborhood picnic area still

35:29 ↗ wanting to supplant some greenery into

35:31 ↗ our high-density it's more just about in

35:33 ↗ sporting field if I'm the only one who

35:35 ↗ feels that way that's fine if we want to

35:36 ↗ put soccer fields everywhere well then

35:38 ↗ play the old sidewall way

35:46 ↗ Fred Meyer I don't think you know it's

35:48 ↗ not big enough and some of the areas

35:50 ↗ have little mouths on them if you want

35:54 ↗ to call it so you're not going to have a

35:55 ↗ soccer field it sort of goes up and down

35:57 ↗ so I think that more of a frisbee golf

36:00 ↗ thing I hear I hear what you're saying

36:01 ↗ is if you're a developer and you're

36:05 ↗ going to be developing in the urban core

36:06 ↗ or mixed-use the lands too valuable for

36:10 ↗ it to warrant a soccer field or a

36:12 ↗ baseball field but if the city says we

36:14 ↗ need green space and community space

36:17 ↗ then they may want to create a zone that

36:21 ↗ could have sports so how would it look

36:25 ↗ if somebody was going to develop like an

36:29 ↗ atlas property that has green space in

36:31 ↗ the middle or something like that and

36:33 ↗ they decided to make one of those into a

36:36 ↗ soccer field would that would

36:39 ↗ eliminating soccer fields as a zoning

36:43 ↗ mean that they couldn't put that on

36:46 ↗ their larger property residential

36:49 ↗ property I would think we would have it

36:52 ↗ be part of their part of the project

36:55 ↗ that's what would be just part of their

36:57 ↗ whatever they call it because the title

37:00 ↗ is public and quasi public if Atlas

37:04 ↗ allowed everybody be you know if it's

37:07 ↗ their own amenity or if it's open to the

37:10 ↗ but yeah you're right I don't think it's

37:12 ↗ going to happen a lot that you'd have

37:14 ↗ enough room for a soccer for a pitch

37:16 ↗ unless it's an even though even in those

37:18 ↗ situations it wouldn't be zoned as

37:21 ↗ public it would be part of their larger

37:24 ↗ they're so much like you said with

37:27 ↗ schools they're going to have a field on

37:29 ↗ it but that's not it it's not a senator

37:31 ↗ and outdoor recreation it's considered

37:34 ↗ at school it's personal personally yeah

37:36 ↗ I don't think so either

37:37 ↗ valuable to joist point I agree on the

37:41 ↗ other hand I don't think that whatever

37:42 ↗ happens there's just too valuable land

37:45 ↗ mm-hmm I don't want to limit things that

37:54 ↗ you know could be good but and fit into

37:59 ↗ the area I don't want to limit people's

38:04 ↗ ideas there might be a area that they

38:08 ↗ want them oh we did that with storage

38:10 ↗ with hotels

38:12 ↗ I mean we're strongly dictating how we

38:15 ↗ want certain pockets of the city to look

38:19 ↗ if you see that as being an acceptable

38:22 ↗ used to the urban core that's only fine

38:25 ↗ I just didn't well if we have a hope we

38:29 ↗ have a health club to go into really

38:32 ↗ good I'm sure there's a ton of people

38:34 ↗ who would pay a lot of money to be able

38:35 ↗ to have access through that and then and

38:39 ↗ what if it was an indoor soccer field

38:40 ↗ and I argue that up because actually

38:46 ↗ real right this is outdoor yeah this

38:51 ↗ line is outdoor recreation oh there's

38:55 ↗ qualifiers

38:56 ↗ I would make the argument for urban core

38:59 ↗ and mixed-use that it's out but if I'm

39:03 ↗ if I'm this little person there then

39:06 ↗ that's that's okay that would be one I

39:09 ↗ would probably want to talk to the parks

39:12 ↗ department or look over the parks plan

39:15 ↗ to see if they have any thoughts about

39:19 ↗ you know I know they're they're looking

39:21 ↗ to grab land as it becomes available to

39:26 ↗ create their larger plan I wonder

39:28 ↗ whether limiting that would cause them

39:31 ↗ any problems I wonder whether they would

39:33 ↗ know I think I'm of the opinion to just

39:43 ↗ leave it as is and I think that's a

39:45 ↗ minor point the only question is if

39:50 ↗ they're able to use it for private use

39:52 ↗ and exclude larger community from it so

39:57 ↗ they would be able to so they'd be able

39:58 ↗ to build their own private soccer field

40:00 ↗ well if you have if you're a landowner

40:03 ↗ hmm you should within restrictions you

40:07 ↗ should be able to do with it what you

40:09 ↗ want I don't I don't feel that the city

40:11 ↗ has the right to completely negate

40:15 ↗ everything that a homeowner or a

40:18 ↗ landowner can do I have I think there

40:21 ↗ has to be some give-and-take and good

40:23 ↗ for the community and I don't I don't

40:24 ↗ have problem with that I don't think

40:26 ↗ that we're in this situation this is

40:28 ↗ public okay where's that public yeah so

40:31 ↗ it's gotta have some some public assets

40:33 ↗ right

40:34 ↗ I saw my hearing that we're leaving them

40:36 ↗ in both places okay how about a baseball

40:42 ↗ stadium yeah we can field our own team

40:49 ↗ as a competition for the Mariners and at

40:53 ↗ the Issaquah something or other which

41:01 ↗ one get in

41:02 ↗ Davian arena and now goodbye Gilman

41:05 ↗ Villa yeah amphitheater if it's set up

41:08 ↗ so that it for music and I can

41:14 ↗ understand that I think that we wanted

41:16 ↗ one something like that in the State

41:18 ↗ Park I can see that right maybe you I

41:23 ↗ think we just wanted to be ready for

41:25 ↗ things I need comments leave that in out

41:31 ↗ what is a tot lot it's like behind it's

41:36 ↗ got the little plastic slide and the

41:37 ↗ little stuff with Li grab the chips and

41:48 ↗ on the stadium arena and amphitheater I

41:51 ↗ think that would be another one where I

41:53 ↗ would let the market decide okay yeah

41:58 ↗ recreation got I'm looking here at

42:03 ↗ amusement part of all miniature golf I

42:09 ↗ think we should strike it from village

42:12 ↗ residential and I think miniature golf

42:16 ↗ should be strikes across the board

42:20 ↗ because it just doesn't bring enough

42:22 ↗ revenue I mean miniature golf is like

42:33 ↗ putt-putt golf I'm sure and fun lands

42:39 ↗ and merry-go-round well I was my thought

42:42 ↗ I just know this is not to be decided on

42:45 ↗ what you particularly yeah I think got

42:51 ↗ that I mean so I would keep bowling

42:54 ↗ alley in urban core and mixed-use

42:57 ↗ bowling alley so I'm thinking like

43:09 ↗ Bellevue Square Mall where they have the

43:14 ↗ what is the bowling alley place there

43:17 ↗ he's like Easter yeah

43:19 ↗ if that was like a miniature golf thing

43:22 ↗ in there that that would be permitted

43:26 ↗ because it's within a larger commercial

43:28 ↗ Tower minutes not the single use right

43:33 ↗ have a miniature golf we send a bowling

43:36 ↗ alley - we had the bowling alley that

43:38 ↗ you knew it was bowling alley but where

43:41 ↗ Gold's Gym is mm-hmm

43:43 ↗ that used to be there used to be an

43:46 ↗ indoor hmm amusement type park but it

43:50 ↗ had miniature golf in it

43:52 ↗ and the market decided then Ron

43:58 ↗ no more I'm teasing of course it's only

44:01 ↗ bill that's residential no run you're

44:04 ↗ saying eliminate village residential for

44:07 ↗ amusement parlors billiards and

44:10 ↗ miniature golf

44:11 ↗ yes okay and then also eliminate

44:14 ↗ miniature golf and the other two I mean

44:16 ↗ if we're leaving an amphitheater I don't

44:18 ↗ understand what they're attacking like

44:20 ↗ billiards oh great

44:23 ↗ again I would then defer it back to let

44:25 ↗ the market decide I mean if someone has

44:27 ↗ you know an extra large lot and they

44:29 ↗ want to put up a little mini golf

44:30 ↗ business I you know yeah the liquor

44:33 ↗ license I think it sounds like a great

44:34 ↗ idea but punchy tonight anything else we

44:41 ↗ leave the whole thing so we let that go

44:43 ↗ yep but that was fun though okay and

44:46 ↗ that includes the karate finger and this

44:50 ↗ bow on the other page recreation for all

44:52 ↗ yes accessory and temporary

45:07 ↗ hang on a second so Serena tree yes on

45:11 ↗ the last one

45:12 ↗ vending stand not necessary including

45:15 ↗ expresso food trucks and general retail

45:17 ↗ merchandise strike from village

45:19 ↗ residential and mixed-use and my thought

45:25 ↗ process for that was that we don't do we

45:28 ↗ really want food trucks in mixed-use

45:31 ↗ high-rise yeah I do

45:33 ↗ yes we do and then village residential

45:37 ↗ is more really residential and would

45:42 ↗ that be an appropriate place for food

45:44 ↗ trucks

45:44 ↗ that's my only argument it's one way to

45:48 ↗ get services out there because they

45:49 ↗ don't have yeah it's sort of like a

45:52 ↗ little mom-and-pop it's a temple service

45:56 ↗ accessory it has to be connected to

45:58 ↗ something else they drive in and nobody

46:00 ↗ buys their product they're not coming

46:02 ↗ back but if people want them I don't see

46:05 ↗ how you can restrict them there's just a

46:08 ↗ discussion starter good any other

46:13 ↗ thoughts on that one no so we're leaving

46:17 ↗ it okay

46:25 ↗ how does it work with the drive-through

46:27 ↗ window

46:28 ↗ specifically with urban core

46:31 ↗ remember when we did all that work on

46:33 ↗ talking about like the newfangled

46:35 ↗ walkable Street that's currently like

46:37 ↗ Mall Street and there was this big thing

46:39 ↗ about no Drive thrus allowed how does

46:42 ↗ that then work if drive throughs are

46:44 ↗ permanent in urban core and where did

46:49 ↗ you jump under accessory in temporary

46:50 ↗ drive-through window or station

46:52 ↗ you know it's permanent in the urban

46:54 ↗ core but I really I don't have a problem

47:06 ↗ I'm not suggesting we remove it from the

47:08 ↗ urban core but curious how that drives

47:11 ↗ with what we've already done I would

47:13 ↗ imagine that we're gonna try to limit

47:16 ↗ them as the time goes on but because

47:19 ↗ we're still transitioning I don't know

47:22 ↗ how you would actually do that and

47:24 ↗ because again this has to be accessory

47:26 ↗ to something that's existing like

47:27 ↗ existing Bank existing fast-food

47:29 ↗ whatever how can you take away coffee

47:34 ↗ stand coffee yeah we yeah especially

47:41 ↗ when you have kids in the car and you

47:43 ↗ don't want to do the car seat thing I

47:45 ↗ know I would I would have missed a

47:47 ↗ drive-through coffee back in the day but

47:52 ↗ and ERDs

47:54 ↗ and projectors I really I wouldn't

47:56 ↗ propose removing it I'm just curious how

47:58 ↗ that would how that goes with what we've

48:00 ↗ already done right right that's a good

48:03 ↗ question on how do you how do you try to

48:05 ↗ limit them as we as we get more dense

48:09 ↗ but I'm not sure what the answer is but

48:12 ↗ my next big question is where is the

48:15 ↗ Issaquah heliport we don't have all that

48:21 ↗ was weird no

48:24 ↗ because I remember I tear when we had

48:27 ↗ John Jackson we remember where was the

48:31 ↗ bowling alley Kyle but that was here it

48:36 ↗ was it was a destination retail Sam Kyle

48:39 ↗ owned it and now it's the office

48:40 ↗ building yeah it's my real estate

48:42 ↗ [Laughter]

48:46 ↗ actually does Swedish have a heliport I

48:49 ↗ think they call it something else

48:51 ↗ they have helicopter axes I think they

48:53 ↗ do they know Jersey kind of at the

48:55 ↗ hospital yeah it was kind of wandering

48:57 ↗ right

49:00 ↗ okay moving right along yeah so Ron

49:04 ↗ automotive now okay so I wonder why we

49:10 ↗ eliminated car wash from urban core I

49:16 ↗ understand

49:17 ↗ eliminating the automotive and truck

49:18 ↗ rental that car wash maybe as it relates

49:24 ↗ to you will station I think it didn't

49:28 ↗ seem like it was that pedestrian

49:29 ↗ oriented vibrant kind of a thing

49:32 ↗ it's sort of what speaking to a joy was

49:34 ↗ mentioning trying to lean us off of

49:36 ↗ having those kind of uses right in the

49:38 ↗ middle of everything but there's

49:41 ↗ certainly some discussion about even

49:42 ↗ with the more the manufacturing kinds of

49:46 ↗ things that some of that is really neat

49:48 ↗ if you can actually go in and buy it

49:51 ↗ where it is right there and watch them

49:53 ↗ while they're manufacturing but to make

49:55 ↗ sure that the retail component is part

49:57 ↗ of the manufacturing only in the urban

50:00 ↗ core no I think for me for and now I'm

50:05 ↗ jumping ahead for the light

50:07 ↗ manufacturing part which is a couple

50:10 ↗ pages later on yeah so with this area

50:12 ↗ looking at car wash right now the

50:16 ↗ allowed zones outside of central

50:19 ↗ Issaquah are are and IC r is residential

50:22 ↗ right no ours retail and we don't have

50:24 ↗ any acreage for them so that would be

50:27 ↗ pretty limiting on a car wash I would

50:30 ↗ ask what

50:33 ↗ what the options are for a gas station

50:37 ↗ that has a carwash attached to it let's

50:43 ↗ see if we can find gas station in the

50:45 ↗ list is that I try sorry but I'm sure

50:52 ↗ it's somewhere have one in mixed use I

51:08 ↗ know that brown bear carwash and I think

51:12 ↗ there isn't there one planned right now

51:14 ↗ for there was one I'm German that

51:16 ↗ they're doing cleanup activities casting

51:20 ↗ that would also be I don't neither maybe

51:24 ↗ we were really trying to wean ourselves

51:25 ↗ off though so if we could just kind of

51:31 ↗ ask that questions there's the gas

51:34 ↗ station - at the end of Gilman isn't it

51:35 ↗ and that's the poor right service shops

51:38 ↗ yeah guess car wash you said that gas

51:44 ↗ station has a gas station so yeah - two

51:50 ↗ points here then one I don't see

51:53 ↗ anything about gas or fuel stations no

51:56 ↗ one Susan found that it sends you to

51:57 ↗ automotive services on the automotive is

52:01 ↗ that on the front page you found it I've

52:04 ↗ lost are you funded under Oh under

52:08 ↗ accessory and temporary there's

52:09 ↗ automotive service station and it sends

52:12 ↗ you to automotive but oh it's under it's

52:17 ↗ a second time good Thank You audience

52:20 ↗ it's the second one under insurance

52:23 ↗ service center okay so what we are

52:26 ↗ saying with the car wash and automobile

52:29 ↗ and truck rental line and removing it

52:32 ↗ from urban core is merely that we

52:34 ↗ wouldn't want a standalone car wash or a

52:37 ↗ standalone or or a truck rental place

52:41 ↗ yeah those would both be standalone

52:44 ↗ car washes are still permitted if

52:46 ↗ they're attached to an automobile

52:47 ↗ service station you could probably make

52:50 ↗ the case are they under accessory then

52:51 ↗ we would switch back to accessory to see

52:53 ↗ if they can do it if they're connected

52:55 ↗ to something else because would you want

53:01 ↗ them connected if they're connected to

53:03 ↗ something else

53:05 ↗ yes well because gas station yeah I

53:10 ↗ think the carwash portion of a gas

53:13 ↗ station can be fairly small I mean you

53:16 ↗ could make the argument that we're

53:17 ↗ creating a monopoly you have to own a

53:19 ↗ gas station in Issaquah to be able to

53:20 ↗ run a carwash and within the urban core

53:22 ↗ that's true so am i hearing you wanted

53:28 ↗ as an accessory use or you don't want it

53:29 ↗ as an accessories you're hearing we're

53:31 ↗ having a discussion yes I want to know

53:35 ↗ if carwash means standalone yeah if it

53:38 ↗ means any kind of carwash I would say

53:40 ↗ cuz it's all by itself in the line it's

53:42 ↗ a standalone same with the rental and

53:45 ↗ it's not under accessory it's under

53:47 ↗ automotive as a standalone so then we

53:49 ↗ think about like automotive detailing

53:52 ↗ with car washing that exists right now

53:55 ↗ right but you can't just go into a

53:57 ↗ detail shop and say I want a very nice

54:00 ↗ wash you have to have it you have to

54:07 ↗ have it you know they do it and they

54:10 ↗ wash it when they're done kind of thing

54:11 ↗ but you go in there to have the

54:14 ↗ detailing done but I'm picturing the car

54:17 ↗ washes like you know the elephant one or

54:20 ↗ the bear one or the that it's a

54:22 ↗ standalone all by itself car wash but if

54:28 ↗ you would want it to be in the accessory

54:32 ↗ uses as its allowed as part of a car

54:35 ↗ wash I'm sorry it's allowed as part of a

54:38 ↗ gas station you could propose that or as

54:41 ↗ part of or you can allow your detail you

54:45 ↗ can allow it more places if you want if

54:48 ↗ you're feeling that we're neglecting

54:50 ↗ that car wash that we could

54:53 ↗ we could add it places I'm fine if

55:04 ↗ carwash means standalone strictly only a

55:06 ↗ carwash taking it out of the urban core

55:10 ↗ it is so you're agreeing with that okay

55:13 ↗ fine

55:16 ↗ ain't moving on yes I have another one

55:20 ↗ one second not oh yeah I was looking at

55:25 ↗ parking lot or garage so parking lot or

55:33 ↗ garage as commercial is talking about

55:36 ↗ just a standalone somebody trying to

55:40 ↗ make money off of somebody parking right

55:42 ↗ all of that

55:48 ↗ I really don't want just the standalone

55:51 ↗ parking lot in the urban core or

55:56 ↗ mixed-use really you might need them you

56:01 ↗ know I mean I would rather have them as

56:05 ↗ Rajas and just stand-alone parking lots

56:09 ↗ but yeah okay maybe gotta go somewhere

56:15 ↗ uh-huh good beverage yep so I tracked

56:21 ↗ that banquet so for mixed use bar or

56:27 ↗ cavern with light without with or

56:29 ↗ without live entertainment for mixed-use

56:32 ↗ residential and my question for that is

56:37 ↗ that's probably not the appropriate

56:38 ↗ neighborhood to put a bar or it could be

56:42 ↗ a perfect place yeah well it's as of

56:47 ↗ right now it's almost all residential

56:49 ↗ and its backs right up against the

56:53 ↗ school so you're putting a bar really

56:55 ↗ close to a school I just think that it

57:03 ↗ doesn't mesh with the neighborhood there

57:07 ↗ today's neighborhood what it looks like

57:10 ↗ in 20 years from now or 30 years from

57:13 ↗ now might be a different story but I

57:16 ↗ didn't think it would work there I also

57:19 ↗ didn't think that a liquor store should

57:20 ↗ be otherwise I can't I can't keep track

57:25 ↗ though where you guys are going no

57:26 ↗ feedback on bar or tavern in mixed-use

57:29 ↗ residential I'm trying to leave them

57:30 ↗ everywhere me to go to the putt-putt

57:37 ↗ golf to play better golf I probably

57:45 ↗ better pool of it and then so liquor

57:49 ↗ store do we want to be able to say you

57:51 ↗ can have a liquor store in mixed-use

57:53 ↗ residential and Village residential I

57:55 ↗ think yeah

57:57 ↗ those things were around anymore are

57:58 ↗ those still regulated by the state yes

58:01 ↗ yeah where you can okay I think so

58:05 ↗ exclusively don't follow those hours to

58:09 ↗ enjoy just what I thought okay so it

58:11 ↗ would be commercial and that would be so

58:15 ↗ you're thinking of pulling them out of

58:17 ↗ mixed juice residential and village

58:18 ↗ residential yeah well I mean think about

58:20 ↗ like where like the BevMo is up in the

58:22 ↗ highlands

58:23 ↗ you know that's within you know walking

58:25 ↗ distance of homes you think about like

58:27 ↗ the backside of Gillman village is that

58:29 ↗ an excuse residential if you could see

58:35 ↗ you know well we want to keep the

58:37 ↗ integrity of the neighborhoods if there

58:39 ↗ was a spill over into that area of a

58:43 ↗ retail situation I don't know that I

58:46 ↗ would care if it was a liquor store okay

58:53 ↗ we've covered the next one with the

58:55 ↗ driver drive through and without so

58:58 ↗ there's nothing to argue about that this

59:03 ↗ next one for hotel lodging Trish quick

59:05 ↗ question so we didn't make any changes

59:07 ↗ on the last section right okay but we

59:09 ↗ had a great discussion thank you okay

59:11 ↗ Hotel lodging I was curious as you could

59:14 ↗ remind my addled brain while we had

59:16 ↗ decided on the hotel when we were going

59:19 ↗ through guys didn't we're not in favor

59:22 ↗ of limiting it and that went to counsel

59:24 ↗ and counsel agreed with you that they

59:25 ↗ were not in favor of limiting him okay

59:27 ↗ it's good so this is all in line with we

59:30 ↗ had already decided right they're all

59:32 ↗ still there

59:32 ↗ oh are we on hotel lodging now yes okay

59:39 ↗ so an interesting conversation with

59:41 ↗ someone who actually runs on Airbnb

59:43 ↗ their thought was if the urban core when

59:49 ↗ it gets built they may want to purchase

59:51 ↗ large volumes and units and turn them

59:54 ↗ into Airbnb for Costco we want to allow

1:00:00 ↗ something like that to happen basically

1:00:02 ↗ they're circumventing the hotel I think

1:00:06 ↗ that could potentially be a larger

1:00:08 ↗ conversation about Airbnb and temporary

1:00:13 ↗ rental uses took my words we're gonna be

1:00:17 ↗ part of toning yeah I mean like I think

1:00:19 ↗ about what like what Seattle's doing

1:00:21 ↗ right now trying to say that the owner

1:00:23 ↗ needs to have some sort of stake in the

1:00:27 ↗ residence they need to exactly so I mean

1:00:31 ↗ that's kind of a separate thing in the

1:00:32 ↗ evidence Minnesota uses it isn't a bad

1:00:34 ↗ thing to to him on the radar on our

1:00:37 ↗ radar at some point right moving on this

1:00:43 ↗ for fun Trish do you want to detail what

1:00:45 ↗ adult entertainment facilities are for

1:00:47 ↗ us do I want to know

1:00:50 ↗ slides they are defined in the code

1:00:53 ↗ though and and there's a lot of blanks

1:00:56 ↗ they not gonna see too many of them

1:01:00 ↗ Oh actually to that topic do we even

1:01:03 ↗ want to allow it in intensive commercial

1:01:05 ↗ this state says we have to allow them

1:01:07 ↗ somewhere and that is where we've chosen

1:01:10 ↗ to allow them I can't disagree if we

1:01:12 ↗ have to then that's where I put it -

1:01:14 ↗ yeah and so I shouldn't make an argument

1:01:16 ↗ that they belong in miss profuse

1:01:17 ↗ residential you could make that but the

1:01:19 ↗ putt-putt golf

1:01:20 ↗ it's good you can put them all in in one

1:01:21 ↗ place oh boy this next section gets to

1:01:30 ↗ the crux of two questions I have for you

1:01:32 ↗ true hey I'm ready when we got the

1:01:35 ↗ Lowe's letter I then went to the table

1:01:38 ↗ and I can't seem to find where we're

1:01:41 ↗ limiting like home materials the

1:01:45 ↗ specific issues they brought up the

1:01:47 ↗ building the very bottom one on that

1:01:50 ↗ page building material storage and sales

1:01:53 ↗ building maturity okay so this is I was

1:01:55 ↗ surprised because when we talk about

1:01:59 ↗ live-work-play

1:02:00 ↗ I mean everyone that needs to repair

1:02:03 ↗ their toilets everybody needs to right

1:02:06 ↗ build a flower box you know there's a

1:02:08 ↗ variety of things that need to happen

1:02:10 ↗ even when living in a small footprint

1:02:13 ↗ home right though taking that youth out

1:02:16 ↗ I didn't quite cuz I think we should

1:02:18 ↗ probably still have hardware store in

1:02:20 ↗ here where you'd get your those things

1:02:22 ↗ that you mentioned but this would

1:02:23 ↗ actually be building materials like like

1:02:27 ↗ rough material is a PMC right right

1:02:30 ↗ right and we were not saying they have

1:02:32 ↗ to go away easily and they can expand

1:02:34 ↗ even there's a whole procedure in the

1:02:37 ↗ central standards on how an existing use

1:02:39 ↗ can expand and we never we don't call

1:02:42 ↗ them non-conforming any more in central

1:02:44 ↗ and so we're just left it what of

1:02:48 ↗ building materials well I think the fear

1:02:50 ↗ is that they need so much land that if

1:02:53 ↗ VMC sold out to its across cedar and not

1:02:58 ↗ that we wouldn't love it's across cedar

1:03:00 ↗ to expand but all of a sudden then

1:03:01 ↗ you've got

1:03:02 ↗ some land on a really big street that's

1:03:04 ↗ again a real surface use of storage

1:03:07 ↗ that's not the vibrant place where

1:03:10 ↗ people are walking and meeting and and

1:03:13 ↗ doing all those very different

1:03:15 ↗ experiences it Issaquah cedar and lumber

1:03:17 ↗ [Laughter]

1:03:21 ↗ closest friends are at the building the

1:03:23 ↗ building places but I think we were just

1:03:26 ↗ trying to think of land if large

1:03:27 ↗ footprint is more area where the

1:03:30 ↗ vibrancy would be and and we have

1:03:33 ↗ several of them in central already and

1:03:35 ↗ we just figured you know if one came in

1:03:37 ↗ in the next open spot would we be like

1:03:40 ↗ wow that's a really big piece of land

1:03:43 ↗ with a big expansive use on it I just

1:03:46 ↗ wonder if thinking about these places

1:03:49 ↗ disappearing for one reason or another

1:03:51 ↗ and right now if we don't have a home

1:03:53 ↗ depot or lowes a BMC and then we've

1:03:56 ↗ restricted them anything coming in

1:03:58 ↗ mm-hmm that would feel odd you know you

1:04:02 ↗ needed to go up to the Highlands or you

1:04:04 ↗ know I mean if you actually didn't have

1:04:06 ↗ building materials available to you in

1:04:09 ↗ where most people are living mm-hmm so I

1:04:12 ↗ I think what Trish was saying earlier

1:04:14 ↗ was a hardware store would be considered

1:04:17 ↗ retail yeah to make sure that so the

1:04:21 ↗ difference to me between a hardware

1:04:24 ↗ store that provides you the flower box

1:04:27 ↗ and the replacement for your toilet

1:04:30 ↗ handle and you know all of that versus

1:04:34 ↗ something that is building materials

1:04:36 ↗ well it's never been building your own

1:04:38 ↗ flower box or supplying a flower box by

1:04:42 ↗ cedar so would Lowe's and Home Depot be

1:04:48 ↗ considered retail I would assume so say

1:04:53 ↗ because a lot of their stuff is indoors

1:04:54 ↗ and if it's indoors it it can function

1:04:57 ↗ just like you know a movie theater

1:04:59 ↗ because you don't really know what's

1:05:00 ↗ going on in there so I think the

1:05:03 ↗ building material storage that with all

1:05:05 ↗ that out so it's outside storage that

1:05:07 ↗ takes up so much room

1:05:10 ↗ even though Home Depot takes up a lot of

1:05:13 ↗ room but it's

1:05:14 ↗ inside you know you're able to go

1:05:15 ↗ vertically with it and I suppose maybe

1:05:17 ↗ if you were a building supply and you

1:05:19 ↗ were inside and you could go vertical

1:05:21 ↗ you could still have the same kind of

1:05:23 ↗ footprint feeling of it it would feel a

1:05:27 ↗ lot different than going to BMC and not

1:05:29 ↗ being able to walk all around it we're

1:05:31 ↗ gonna allow gardens which I'm a

1:05:33 ↗ proponent of of having outdoor displays

1:05:35 ↗ you know having building materials wood

1:05:39 ↗ outside right is to me a similar

1:05:42 ↗ function Frank I mean I think maybe

1:05:45 ↗ you're maybe the argument being one is

1:05:46 ↗ more aesthetic versus another but I mean

1:05:50 ↗ I like looking at the cedar in lumber I

1:05:55 ↗ was surprised by that and so I know I

1:05:58 ↗ had actually overlooked it until I saw

1:05:59 ↗ the Lowe's letter and so I just wanted

1:06:01 ↗ to bring up to everybody that was so for

1:06:04 ↗ a follow-up or if you could pick zones

1:06:05 ↗ to put them in a new one where would you

1:06:08 ↗ pick

1:06:08 ↗ I wouldn't mind them in a mixed-use okay

1:06:11 ↗ I agree with the urban core taking it

1:06:14 ↗ out then I'm surprised that it's out of

1:06:18 ↗ intensive commercial since that seems to

1:06:20 ↗ be where we like to put things that take

1:06:21 ↗ up a lot of space and are maybe less

1:06:23 ↗ frequented from retail if I want to play

1:06:27 ↗ devil's advocate yeah Oh's Home Depot is

1:06:30 ↗ across cedar and lower and BMC they sell

1:06:34 ↗ a lot of the same things really not that

1:06:38 ↗ different you take up BMC does take up a

1:06:43 ↗ lot of empty space but they really fall

1:06:47 ↗ into the same industrial category one

1:06:50 ↗ the some BMC caters more towards the

1:06:53 ↗ contractor but they sell lumber Home

1:06:56 ↗ Depot sells lumber low sells lumber

1:06:58 ↗ whose koala

1:06:59 ↗ cedar and lumber sells lumber I would

1:07:01 ↗ disagree but that's because I've

1:07:03 ↗ patronized the stores for different

1:07:05 ↗ purposes so to you know if you're

1:07:12 ↗ looking to buy molding for your house I

1:07:14 ↗ wouldn't recommend going to a national

1:07:17 ↗ retail chain I would recommend going to

1:07:19 ↗ the BMC you know I recently were

1:07:23 ↗ embarking on putting here sucking

1:07:26 ↗ not shed and I went to Issaquah cedar

1:07:29 ↗ and lumber for that rather than a

1:07:30 ↗ national chain

1:07:32 ↗ however there's plenty of things that I

1:07:34 ↗ get well BMC used to sell kitchen

1:07:36 ↗ cabinets but let's say BMC's out and

1:07:38 ↗ someone else moves in and they sell

1:07:40 ↗ kitchen cabinets as well as fluorine and

1:07:42 ↗ lumber and that's now I sitting in the

1:07:45 ↗ BMC lot you know this is cross seeding

1:07:48 ↗ lumber who sells cedar and some flooring

1:07:51 ↗ materials then you have Home Depot that

1:07:53 ↗ sells flooring materials and kitchen

1:07:54 ↗ cabinets and you have loads of cells

1:07:56 ↗ Maureen what's the bottom line do you

1:07:59 ↗ want I think it should be left where if

1:08:04 ↗ Martin let the market decide is it

1:08:08 ↗ really comes down to a square footage if

1:08:09 ↗ it decides you're saying leave it I say

1:08:12 ↗ leave it and let the market decide on

1:08:15 ↗ whether or not they can actually build a

1:08:16 ↗ business model that's going to be

1:08:19 ↗ profitable in that space the Trish I

1:08:21 ↗ would leave it as well and mix to use an

1:08:22 ↗ intensive commercial but I would strike

1:08:24 ↗ it from urban core

1:08:25 ↗ that's where Lowe's is now well

1:08:29 ↗ obviously they're still allowed and not

1:08:34 ↗ not unconformity would put it back in

1:08:39 ↗ which one of the two units okay the MU

1:08:42 ↗ and an intensive commercial building

1:08:45 ↗ materials

1:08:46 ↗ okay so mixed-use intensive commercial

1:08:49 ↗ and urban core not I would strike it

1:08:51 ↗ from urban core okay that goes back to

1:08:54 ↗ you only kind of you know thinking about

1:08:55 ↗ right so you I would know really the

1:08:57 ↗ hand packing urban core is what I tend I

1:09:00 ↗ think but you'd put it back in mix juice

1:09:02 ↗ and intensive commercial is that a real

1:09:04 ↗ I would but what is everybody else thing

1:09:06 ↗ if we do that then I would say the

1:09:08 ↗ caveat is if the urban core area changes

1:09:12 ↗ and Lowe's still wants to what are you

1:09:14 ↗ building in the same location area

1:09:17 ↗ general area then we should allow that

1:09:20 ↗ to happen well Lois can expand if they

1:09:23 ↗ want to what I'm saying is if the

1:09:25 ↗ Pickering area gets redeveloped into the

1:09:29 ↗ urban core and Lowe's wants to move say

1:09:32 ↗ where the PCC market might be now we

1:09:35 ↗ should allow them to be a

1:09:36 ↗ to move within that area and I can do

1:09:39 ↗ this so the in other words they reserve

1:09:41 ↗ the right to be able to build within

1:09:43 ↗ that area again okay that's not

1:09:46 ↗ something we could and that I say leave

1:09:49 ↗ it so he's my concern with leaving it

1:09:54 ↗ whether or not that really fits Lowe's

1:09:57 ↗ and Home Depot or just more of a

1:09:59 ↗ building supply store is the idea of the

1:10:03 ↗ urban core is walkability and vibrancy

1:10:06 ↗ and I don't think that a building supply

1:10:12 ↗ store a large scale store like that

1:10:15 ↗ it's that criteria I agree I think what

1:10:19 ↗ would probably help us is figuring out

1:10:23 ↗ if something like a Lowe's and a Home

1:10:25 ↗ Depot where all of their stuff is

1:10:27 ↗ internal whether they would be retail

1:10:30 ↗ I'm because I couldn't find hardware

1:10:32 ↗ source so I think like an Ace Hardware

1:10:34 ↗ would be just under general retail by

1:10:37 ↗ the size and those are I just lost my

1:10:40 ↗ place but those are allowed most

1:10:45 ↗ everywhere up to 125 square feet general

1:10:49 ↗ retail service those are everywhere now

1:10:52 ↗ 125,000 square feet is a huge building

1:10:55 ↗ yeah and there and that's everywhere

1:10:58 ↗ which is that's what I would imagine

1:11:00 ↗ that means that's a very closed which is

1:11:02 ↗ about the size of what that would be my

1:11:04 ↗ hardware store

1:11:05 ↗ so I could still have my ace in my urban

1:11:07 ↗ core when I need a new light bulb

1:11:09 ↗ remember Louis hardware yeah so this

1:11:13 ↗ comes to the point if we're going to

1:11:15 ↗ retail 125,000 square feet and on an ace

1:11:18 ↗ then we need to allow a Lowe's because

1:11:21 ↗ they're really the same thing and what

1:11:23 ↗ we're suggesting is that Lowe's and Home

1:11:26 ↗ Depot fits into that retail category not

1:11:29 ↗ into the building supply right category

1:11:31 ↗ okay the reason that Lowe's was

1:11:34 ↗ concerned about the building materials

1:11:36 ↗ is because a portion of their business

1:11:39 ↗ right now you

1:11:41 ↗ that external storage and they don't

1:11:43 ↗ want to lose that ability so the

1:11:47 ↗ argument here if I understand correctly

1:11:49 ↗ is to limit is across cedar and lumber

1:11:53 ↗ because they are a building materials

1:11:54 ↗ only retailer and BMC specifically my

1:11:59 ↗ thank you type of business yeah would

1:12:02 ↗ also it wouldn't do what they do

1:12:04 ↗ okay so BMC sells their building

1:12:08 ↗ materials company but what if they sell

1:12:10 ↗ kitchen cabinets and they diversify

1:12:12 ↗ their portfolio so it's sort of like

1:12:15 ↗ Lowe's it's the footprint of all the

1:12:19 ↗ outside stash it's not what they're

1:12:21 ↗ selling it's it's how they're putting

1:12:25 ↗ their items right yeah so for instance

1:12:29 ↗ right now an intensive commercial is a

1:12:31 ↗ fantastic plumbing supply not I mean

1:12:36 ↗ that's not on the inside right

1:12:38 ↗ considered Regis retail can crawl inside

1:12:41 ↗ exact correct add out to the plumbing

1:12:46 ↗ supply I'm thinking like you lumber

1:12:48 ↗ yards like an Aberdeen but it's just

1:12:51 ↗ strictly logging they're only for

1:12:53 ↗ specific people the general public can't

1:12:55 ↗ go into those logging yards oh so that's

1:12:58 ↗ kind of my head wouldn't you guys are

1:13:00 ↗ talking about this not necessarily is a

1:13:02 ↗ quasi dirt lover I'm thinking more like

1:13:04 ↗ Aberdeen right

1:13:05 ↗ and I'm thinking to like like you're

1:13:07 ↗ saying like BMC West you can go into the

1:13:09 ↗ end of the inside and order your lumber

1:13:13 ↗ but you can't actually go into the

1:13:14 ↗ stacks until you have the little piece

1:13:16 ↗ of paper that you bought whatever it is

1:13:18 ↗ and then you can go choose your two by

1:13:20 ↗ fours and eight by sixes and all those

1:13:21 ↗ things but you can't actually just walk

1:13:23 ↗ and visit like you can like it a mole

1:13:25 ↗ bucks looking at plants and saying oh

1:13:27 ↗ look at all this let's have coffee and

1:13:29 ↗ talk about azaleas you really can't do

1:13:31 ↗ that at BMC but I'll enjoy you sure

1:13:38 ↗ BMC decides to change their business

1:13:40 ↗ model to allow you to go pick your

1:13:42 ↗ lumber and it comes aloes if they were

1:13:45 ↗ to cover all that lumber and put up

1:13:48 ↗ doors on it

1:13:49 ↗ right so are we ending up in a place

1:13:54 ↗ then where Lowe's and Home Depot and

1:14:01 ↗ whatever we have agreed that that's part

1:14:03 ↗ of big retail and that's everywhere and

1:14:05 ↗ so are we back then to being okay with

1:14:08 ↗ building material storage and say I was

1:14:10 ↗ going away that I missed how you ended

1:14:15 ↗ it that we're leaving them to not be

1:14:17 ↗ allowed er we're leaving that's the

1:14:18 ↗ question

1:14:19 ↗ that's why I'm understanding where we

1:14:20 ↗ ended up to because Lowe's and Home

1:14:22 ↗ Depot in places like that are considered

1:14:24 ↗ large retail and they're they can be

1:14:26 ↗ anywhere that I'm hearing that we're

1:14:29 ↗ okay with building materials storage and

1:14:32 ↗ sales to go away as I'm showing here is

1:14:35 ↗ that I would be okay to have building

1:14:38 ↗ materials stay in mixed-use and

1:14:40 ↗ intensive commercial there if I'm the

1:14:42 ↗ only one who feels that way but

1:14:43 ↗ especially like intensive commercial I

1:14:45 ↗ don't have a problem if even further

1:14:47 ↗ people on to say Nome excuse but yes to

1:14:48 ↗ can intensify so Trish question for you

1:14:52 ↗ but the intensive commercial I know you

1:14:53 ↗ said that in the central Issaquah area

1:14:57 ↗ it's only a few Lots and so the idea was

1:15:00 ↗ kind of be careful with what goes there

1:15:02 ↗ because it's a very visible set of

1:15:04 ↗ intensive commercial right what yeah

1:15:08 ↗ what happens if that central Issaquah

1:15:12 ↗ intents of commercial expands to include

1:15:16 ↗ other stuff well well you all just took

1:15:20 ↗ it took them all out okay so that's a

1:15:22 ↗ pretty recent action but if it chose to

1:15:25 ↗ and the reason you left him in the ones

1:15:27 ↗ that are on the street frontage is so

1:15:29 ↗ that the special the more strict

1:15:31 ↗ standards of central would apply to

1:15:34 ↗ those previous owners versus the IMC and

1:15:37 ↗ so by allowing them building and storage

1:15:41 ↗ on those few parcels they would have the

1:15:44 ↗ standards that central would require but

1:15:46 ↗ if it's in the rest of

1:15:47 ↗ and I see intensive commercial then it

1:15:50 ↗ would just follow Title 18 and not be as

1:15:53 ↗ strict so joy I think that given the

1:15:59 ↗ visibility and the vibrancy that we're

1:16:02 ↗ looking for for all of these plots

1:16:03 ↗ including those few intents of

1:16:05 ↗ commercial I would be opposed having a

1:16:08 ↗ building materials shop there okay and

1:16:11 ↗ understanding that it would be okay in

1:16:14 ↗ intensive commercial outside of central

1:16:17 ↗ Issaquah okay so then my thought process

1:16:21 ↗ okay so we're leaving them out right I

1:16:27 ↗ was like it believing them in intensive

1:16:31 ↗ commercial outside of is central

1:16:34 ↗ Issaquah okay and the last column yes

1:16:39 ↗ alright so are we just flipping the page

1:16:42 ↗ we're flipping okay light manufacturing

1:16:51 ↗ this is one of my personal favorites me

1:16:53 ↗ too why are we targeting the metal

1:16:55 ↗ fabricators right now I feel like we

1:16:58 ↗ have we have an opportunity to actually

1:17:03 ↗ have Issaquah be a hub for the Arts and

1:17:06 ↗ I have a personal preference for

1:17:08 ↗ industrial art and I don't know why we

1:17:10 ↗ would say that metal fabricators was be

1:17:13 ↗ able to be allowed a use and while

1:17:16 ↗ obviously our current glass shop is not

1:17:20 ↗ included since it's an old town there

1:17:22 ↗ the it's the exact same purpose you have

1:17:24 ↗ to have a glory hole and I would

1:17:26 ↗ actually say you create more of a

1:17:28 ↗ chemical issue with glass than you even

1:17:30 ↗ do with a metal fabricator okay

1:17:32 ↗ I was curious process of eliminating

1:17:35 ↗ those in specific I thought is metal

1:17:39 ↗ really loud metal fabricator when she's

1:17:42 ↗ close the garage door you're not gonna I

1:17:43 ↗ mean it's just bang it's hammer sound

1:17:45 ↗ you hammers

1:17:46 ↗ or metal but I mean a different scale

1:17:49 ↗ I'm totally open to because that is the

1:17:53 ↗ only one we took out of that long list

1:17:57 ↗ I'm just not that familiar with metal

1:17:59 ↗ fabric what metal fabricators do I don't

1:18:03 ↗ know if you actually would consider art

1:18:07 ↗ fabrication the same as doing major most

1:18:14 ↗ artists need to make a living by also

1:18:15 ↗ like you know making functional things

1:18:18 ↗ like you know gates for instance you

1:18:22 ↗ could say is a more oh that's a good

1:18:25 ↗ example

1:18:26 ↗ gates versus like I beams yeah it's a

1:18:29 ↗ joist point cuz I actually agreed I had

1:18:33 ↗ a lot to say that you actually said

1:18:35 ↗ exactly so how we were on the same board

1:18:37 ↗ I it comes down to the arts really we

1:18:41 ↗ want to protect our areas from heavy

1:18:48 ↗ fabrication work light fabrication work

1:18:51 ↗ maybe gates but mostly the arts like if

1:18:55 ↗ someone wants to do sculpture or

1:18:56 ↗ something like that we want to allow

1:18:58 ↗ that what they're doing they're gonna oh

1:18:59 ↗ have a glory hole and then they're you

1:19:01 ↗ know so in the arts land yeah does it

1:19:07 ↗ cover any metal work you're asking me

1:19:10 ↗ Joan about the arts mm-hmm I don't you

1:19:16 ↗ know to me in that sense art right you

1:19:19 ↗ know it's a small scale or whatever I

1:19:25 ↗ look at this as major construction with

1:19:27 ↗ the machines going all up on all the

1:19:30 ↗ time and bright and sparks and noise and

1:19:32 ↗ and stuff so I just look at it

1:19:35 ↗ differently I don't know if I would even

1:19:36 ↗ put it in the same right aim place right

1:19:40 ↗ and I'm not come right when they

1:19:42 ↗ mentioned gates all of a sudden I have a

1:19:44 ↗ whole different thought of what could

1:19:45 ↗ happen in a metal fabrication it is

1:19:47 ↗ defined as indoor and thirty thousand

1:19:49 ↗ square feet or less right so it is

1:19:51 ↗ pretty

1:19:54 ↗ that I know of right near a metal

1:19:56 ↗ fabricator to know what exactly goes on

1:19:59 ↗ there but but that's to be railings you

1:20:02 ↗ know right your home could be the bridge

1:20:04 ↗ over at confluence park could have been

1:20:06 ↗ made by a metal fabricator mm-hmm so I

1:20:10 ↗ think to me the defining characteristics

1:20:12 ↗ of what you were trying to allow our

1:20:14 ↗ things like the coffee roaster or the

1:20:17 ↗ brewer or something that would have a

1:20:20 ↗ retail front area if we go to that note

1:20:26 ↗ it says it's only it's located in the

1:20:28 ↗ urban core there shall be a root your

1:20:30 ↗ retail component okay so it doesn't have

1:20:34 ↗ to have a retail front if it's if it's

1:20:37 ↗ not in the urban core it does not have

1:20:39 ↗ to have a retail component as I'm

1:20:40 ↗ reading footnote 16 16 so maybe that

1:20:44 ↗ footnote should actually be yeah in the

1:20:48 ↗ church rather than in the land use

1:20:50 ↗ description that would be one thing but

1:20:55 ↗ then generally I would say the idea of a

1:20:58 ↗ coffee roaster or brewery or something

1:21:01 ↗ like that that has a retail component is

1:21:04 ↗ kind of one of those create something

1:21:08 ↗ and sell it to the public and I would

1:21:10 ↗ include a metal fabricator and a glass

1:21:14 ↗ workshop if in their core because what

1:21:19 ↗ I'm thinking is that like basically then

1:21:21 ↗ what you're doing let's say let's say

1:21:22 ↗ that you are a metal fabricator okay you

1:21:25 ↗ do a variety of things at your shop if

1:21:28 ↗ you were required to have a retail

1:21:30 ↗ component to it which is fine that

1:21:32 ↗ you're hiring somebody to man the front

1:21:35 ↗ effectively you're probably also going

1:21:37 ↗ to be spending more on putting like a

1:21:39 ↗ fire appropriate glass so you have a

1:21:41 ↗ viewing area in to where you're working

1:21:43 ↗ to have that kind of retail connection

1:21:45 ↗ to how you're working I mean there's a

1:21:46 ↗ different component of how you're

1:21:47 ↗ building it so I don't know that I would

1:21:49 ↗ want to require that in mixed use you

1:21:53 ↗ know if we are going to allow metal

1:21:54 ↗ fabricators obviously but I could see

1:21:57 ↗ that being something that we would

1:21:58 ↗ require in the urban core because we're

1:22:00 ↗ saying everybody no matter what your

1:22:02 ↗ building needs to have some sort of

1:22:03 ↗ connection to the retail that

1:22:05 ↗ exclusively an urban core so I would be

1:22:07 ↗ for leading metal fabricator since it's

1:22:09 ↗ already on a smaller scale but yet not

1:22:14 ↗ requiring them to have a retail

1:22:16 ↗ component if they're outside of the

1:22:18 ↗ urban core because that's them hiring

1:22:21 ↗ front staff to just have people doing

1:22:23 ↗ foot traffic oh oh what you can do but

1:22:26 ↗ do we weren't clarified by maybe saying

1:22:28 ↗ we want to restrict heavy industrial

1:22:32 ↗ fabrication well it's already right now

1:22:35 ↗ for less than 30,000 square feet and all

1:22:38 ↗ indoor source were like yeah so

1:22:41 ↗ manufacturing general is two spots down

1:22:43 ↗ and that's not allowed anywhere except

1:22:46 ↗ for intensive commercial break on the

1:22:50 ↗ same note I had a also a concern about

1:22:54 ↗ the coffee roaster so there is a coffee

1:22:58 ↗ roaster in South Seattle off of Highway

1:23:01 ↗ 5 and when you drive by it as really

1:23:04 ↗ super strong odors unless you're living

1:23:09 ↗ next to it and after a while a huge the

1:23:14 ↗ thought is do we want to restrict the

1:23:18 ↗ odours of coffee commercial coffee would

1:23:24 ↗ smell like coffee its what a commercial

1:23:28 ↗ house we're gonna become the roaster

1:23:30 ↗ capital of the Northwest and we're gonna

1:23:32 ↗ have them everywhere and it's just like

1:23:33 ↗ all it takes is one coffee roaster this

1:23:36 ↗ is not a huge operation in this coffee

1:23:38 ↗ roaster but the smell is so overwhelming

1:23:41 ↗ you've got to understand that this is a

1:23:44 ↗ tea drinker is a lot of aroma to it

1:23:49 ↗ wrong I mention is something like a

1:23:56 ↗ Starbucks roaster store something like

1:23:59 ↗ that where they want to do on-site

1:24:01 ↗ roasting in order to sell it at less

1:24:04 ↗ than 30,000 square feet you're looking

1:24:06 ↗ at pretty small and I don't think we

1:24:09 ↗ would produce those it's still pretty

1:24:12 ↗ big facility but yeah okay

1:24:14 ↗ and we could make and we couldn't

1:24:15 ↗ right now it's not allowed with homes so

1:24:18 ↗ you wouldn't be living next door to it

1:24:21 ↗ unless you were living in an apartment

1:24:23 ↗ and the urban or Oregon and am I

1:24:26 ↗ so just to see if I'm keeping up we're

1:24:32 ↗ still allowing all of these that are

1:24:35 ↗ listed in the urban core and mixed juice

1:24:38 ↗ and I see however we're sticking with

1:24:41 ↗ that are we sticking with the retail

1:24:43 ↗ only component only for the urban core

1:24:45 ↗ as written well is that what is that

1:24:48 ↗ what I'm hearing or do or do you also

1:24:51 ↗ did I hear for a minute that we were

1:24:53 ↗ also thinking of the retail component

1:24:54 ↗ for the mixed juice well you know I

1:24:57 ↗ hadn't brought that up yet but you are

1:24:59 ↗ reading my mind there cuz that was my

1:25:01 ↗ next style doing a lot of it fantastic

1:25:03 ↗ yeah

1:25:06 ↗ either ways you just have light

1:25:08 ↗ manufacturing and mixed-use period with

1:25:11 ↗ my concern er my thought is we still

1:25:14 ↗ want the mixed use area to be walkable

1:25:18 ↗ you know retail things like that so I

1:25:23 ↗ could go either way on this but I was

1:25:25 ↗ gonna bring it up and have a discussion

1:25:26 ↗ on it is anybody else could go that way

1:25:29 ↗ for mix juice to add the retail

1:25:32 ↗ component requirement I only see it an

1:25:37 ↗ urban core yeah the retail part like I

1:25:39 ↗ like the addition to it for urban core I

1:25:41 ↗ think it gives us a lot of fun

1:25:42 ↗ possibilities again but I see the urban

1:25:44 ↗ core very differently than mixed-use

1:25:46 ↗ okay so in Ex juice then it would only

1:25:48 ↗ be light manufacturing yeah I mean

1:25:52 ↗ obviously they have the option think it

1:25:53 ↗ they could do some things but right but

1:25:55 ↗ we couldn't no anyway I feel like make

1:25:57 ↗ them exactly do we feel like light

1:25:59 ↗ manufacturing without a retail component

1:26:01 ↗ would be a good fit in the mixed use

1:26:05 ↗ area yeah can you see a roaster moving

1:26:10 ↗ in do like the Fred Meyer Plaza but you

1:26:13 ↗ couldn't see it and you said can you see

1:26:16 ↗ a you wouldn't be able to see it you

1:26:17 ↗ just hear it and smell it

1:26:20 ↗ that's how I feel about the weld and

1:26:22 ↗ Barber you're right my next question

1:26:25 ↗ then well no I can't go to the next

1:26:27 ↗ question then I'll be doing I'll be

1:26:28 ↗ someone else so if so that one died not

1:26:32 ↗ that we're not doing retail for

1:26:33 ↗ mixed-use I said what I heard I mean I

1:26:35 ↗ would believe it as written which is

1:26:37 ↗ strip no carbon core and Troy Lee doing

1:26:40 ↗ I agree

1:26:40 ↗ Jason mousse the so then I'm on to the

1:26:44 ↗ metal fabricator are we putting the

1:26:46 ↗ metal fabricator and metal work our gate

1:26:48 ↗ maker or we make are we putting them

1:26:50 ↗ back in the the list I would I didn't

1:26:53 ↗ see why was I didn't I did why wasn't

1:26:55 ↗ hearing a compelling reason from from

1:26:57 ↗ staff saying this is why we removed it

1:26:59 ↗ okay so I saw several nodding heads so

1:27:03 ↗ that yes two though are mended person

1:27:05 ↗ want to include glass work helps are we

1:27:10 ↗ need to go on yeah it's to me I would

1:27:12 ↗ not I would not start adding because I

1:27:14 ↗ would just leave how it's been if we

1:27:16 ↗ haven't had an issue before I don't know

1:27:17 ↗ if we need to start dictating okay so

1:27:20 ↗ unless you think like what would happen

1:27:22 ↗ if someone wanted to open a glass shop

1:27:24 ↗ and Issaquah into the public please

1:27:25 ↗ somebody open a glass yeah I'm not sure

1:27:27 ↗ what we would call that it if it because

1:27:30 ↗ what what's what would you imagine fire

1:27:33 ↗ by fire by their preachers like they had

1:27:38 ↗ they have a functioning glory hole yeah

1:27:40 ↗ right make make stuff on-site so it's a

1:27:44 ↗ combo it kind of okay it would be

1:27:46 ↗ allowed in the core so I think we're

1:27:49 ↗ getting hung up on the on all these

1:27:51 ↗ different terms in the brewery micro

1:27:53 ↗ brewery winery clothing what if we just

1:27:55 ↗ asked all that and just said wait

1:27:57 ↗ the retail component no because then you

1:28:00 ↗ get a real wild thing come in and it's

1:28:02 ↗ like oops so we start listing them

1:28:05 ↗ because you don't want the UPS to come

1:28:07 ↗ in and be like oh maybe we should well

1:28:14 ↗ that's why we listed them because we

1:28:16 ↗ wanted to be sure that we got to pick

1:28:17 ↗ what could come in and they didn't get

1:28:19 ↗ to pick because they're like

1:28:21 ↗ manufacturing and it's like oh that's

1:28:24 ↗ not what we meant so we tried to like

1:28:26 ↗ handpick them there was an experience

1:28:28 ↗ okay okay so we're leaving in that

1:28:30 ↗ office we're leaving it in but no glass

1:28:34 ↗ wall but no glass I would I would give

1:28:36 ↗ it at the addition if we don't think

1:28:38 ↗ that there's somewhere else in the code

1:28:40 ↗ to me it's okay is anybody else up for

1:28:43 ↗ glass final I think it's part of art

1:28:46 ↗ yeah and it should be what about like a

1:28:50 ↗ glass maker who makes like glass stairs

1:28:53 ↗ yes oh yeah if you have the money you

1:28:56 ↗ can make like free-floating like solid

1:28:58 ↗ board stairs or anything

1:29:00 ↗ yeah so that you have to and what would

1:29:05 ↗ we call it if it was a glass fabric just

1:29:07 ↗ like you say metal fabricator you would

1:29:09 ↗ say yeah my manufacturer glass metal

1:29:14 ↗ slash glass yeah yeah right okay

1:29:19 ↗ excellent rush will not yes sir same

1:29:22 ↗ topic have you ever heard tap plastics I

1:29:26 ↗ have not so tap plastics is kind of like

1:29:29 ↗ what you're all referencing to you stare

1:29:32 ↗ out there out on table high point yeah

1:29:34 ↗ so they have lexan plastic ABS plastic

1:29:37 ↗ and so on so they could actually do some

1:29:39 ↗ of the same thing as their retail

1:29:42 ↗ manufacturer of plastic components

1:29:45 ↗ components like fun things like

1:29:53 ↗ you Taylor let's say you have a shop and

1:29:56 ↗ you need some displays made they will

1:29:57 ↗ actually make plexiglass displays for

1:30:00 ↗ your products and so as I'm walking down

1:30:02 ↗ the street with my tea in my hand and

1:30:05 ↗ I'm shopping and I see this retail

1:30:07 ↗ component of plastics which I'm seeing

1:30:12 ↗ what in the window that compels me that

1:30:14 ↗ I want one of those what is it there's

1:30:17 ↗ not a lot you my house has a ton of ink

1:30:22 ↗ and lighting which i think is hideous so

1:30:26 ↗ I'm replacing all of it with vintage

1:30:27 ↗ lighting from the turn of the century

1:30:29 ↗ which is quite a project this kind of

1:30:30 ↗ thing so yeah so I'm taking out there

1:30:32 ↗ like the incandescent light right yeah

1:30:35 ↗ so I need to conversion I have to

1:30:36 ↗ convert all of that so that plastics is

1:30:39 ↗ good for me to be able to for electrical

1:30:41 ↗ components for me to be able to change

1:30:43 ↗ out my existing lighting without needing

1:30:45 ↗ to actually drill it out and then have

1:30:47 ↗ to you know okay

1:30:50 ↗ drywall around it you know there's

1:30:52 ↗ different great no I got to what that's

1:30:54 ↗ five years I've used have I got the

1:30:55 ↗ whole canned light thing but as I'm

1:30:57 ↗ walking down our vivacious street and I

1:31:00 ↗ see this light manufacturer and I see

1:31:02 ↗ their retail window and I say I not both

1:31:08 ↗ I've been needing that there they don't

1:31:10 ↗ supply them at the Home Depot it's a

1:31:12 ↗ specialty product oh and I would have to

1:31:14 ↗ get my car and go all the way to Preston

1:31:17 ↗ for so it's totally an impulse buy that

1:31:19 ↗ I need those wires it's completely

1:31:24 ↗ planned you've been looking for your

1:31:25 ↗ whole life okay so I'm sensing not

1:31:28 ↗ everyone is going with y'all okay it was

1:31:32 ↗ a good discussion I learned some more

1:31:34 ↗ things any more on the list of light

1:31:37 ↗ manufacturing okay anything else on that

1:31:42 ↗ list it looks like there's not a lot of

1:31:44 ↗ changes on the rest of that page we move

1:31:47 ↗ to medical I'm going to medical I like

1:31:51 ↗ the second one cross town was already

1:31:55 ↗ not allowed yeah

1:31:59 ↗ okay office professional financial

1:32:10 ↗ okay retail town machines I've got one

1:32:15 ↗ here for retail okay

1:32:19 ↗ 125,000 square feet is a huge building

1:32:22 ↗ yep we really want to put that big of a

1:32:27 ↗ retail and and huges I don't know that

1:32:31 ↗ target is even 125,000 square feet in

1:32:34 ↗ mixed use and village residential I mean

1:32:38 ↗ urban core um you can't right now

1:32:42 ↗ they're not in either one of those you

1:32:43 ↗ can you can only go up to right do we

1:32:46 ↗ want to limit it and say there's a you

1:32:50 ↗ know less than 6000 and up to 6000

1:32:52 ↗ because if you put mixed-use residential

1:32:54 ↗ it can go out towards Gateway you could

1:32:57 ↗ actually have a target out towards

1:32:58 ↗ Gateway or there's no land left towards

1:33:02 ↗ residential which is mostly non retail

1:33:07 ↗ it's all residential right now right

1:33:09 ↗ there's no land left right that would be

1:33:12 ↗ a very inappropriate place to put

1:33:14 ↗ something like another target so Trish

1:33:17 ↗ let me ask a larger question is there a

1:33:20 ↗ standard size of 125 and more and 125

1:33:27 ↗ and less or would there be a reason why

1:33:30 ↗ we couldn't look at that and kind of

1:33:32 ↗ subdivide further and say yeah we're

1:33:35 ↗ okay with you know small retail stores

1:33:39 ↗ in mixed-use residential and Village

1:33:43 ↗ residential and define what that is we

1:33:47 ↗ could those are sort of the the breaking

1:33:50 ↗ point of latest standards right you know

1:33:53 ↗ by the time you build them and you know

1:33:54 ↗ because these can also be vertical they

1:33:56 ↗ don't have to be one-story 125,000 they

1:34:01 ↗ can be stacked or however you want to do

1:34:03 ↗ it

1:34:04 ↗ actually Ben I just trusted you Trish I

1:34:05 ↗ can't even fathom what 125 versus 130

1:34:09 ↗ versus 100 I mean I can't visualize it

1:34:12 ↗ right I should have brought my cheat

1:34:14 ↗ sheet for 25 is basically the front

1:34:18 ↗ facing 416 feet long

1:34:21 ↗ we enter and feet deep you obviously

1:34:24 ↗ have like oh yes sam's club like a big

1:34:28 ↗ box chain yes right I'm not a target a

1:34:32 ↗ target would be under 120 all right

1:34:33 ↗ anything good out of village residential

1:34:35 ↗ because there's no there's no amount of

1:34:37 ↗ land that big for village residential

1:34:39 ↗ anymore because that's all been spoken

1:34:42 ↗ for so I can see taking it out of that

1:34:44 ↗ one mixed-use residential I'm not as

1:34:48 ↗ sure how how much land is available

1:34:51 ↗ there remember that's up to so if it was

1:34:55 ↗ 60 or if it was whatever that it's that

1:34:58 ↗ whole category that you could do in

1:35:00 ↗ those yeah because here's the thing I

1:35:03 ↗ would be completely fine with a retail

1:35:06 ↗ shop of 10 or 20 or maybe 50,000 square

1:35:11 ↗ feet you know I don't know where that

1:35:12 ↗ line goes but not a hundred thousand

1:35:15 ↗ uh-huh well if you want to take a shot

1:35:21 ↗ at it and say 80 or whatever it is I

1:35:26 ↗ would like to know if there are other

1:35:28 ↗ standards that other cities might use or

1:35:32 ↗ that the industry might use that would

1:35:35 ↗ make sense there in limiting but it

1:35:38 ↗ because it feels like there should be a

1:35:39 ↗ segment under somewhere in the 0 to 125

1:35:44 ↗ thousand square feet 0 to 80 is that it

1:35:49 ↗ yeah like how big is a supermarket

1:35:53 ↗ generally Front Street is a small

1:35:58 ↗ grocery was a small grocery store we oh

1:36:01 ↗ we already have that so if you had two

1:36:04 ↗ pages earlier 4,000 square feet 200 feet

1:36:10 ↗ deep 45 okay so wait on that here a

1:36:14 ↗ second because we're looking at the

1:36:15 ↗ grocery stores so two pages early over

1:36:17 ↗ 45,000 square feet yep so they've got

1:36:22 ↗ three different sizes they've got large

1:36:25 ↗ small and midst

1:36:28 ↗ I would think we would want something

1:36:32 ↗ like that on the retail side at a mid

1:36:35 ↗ scale option so do you want to add 45

1:36:37 ↗ and less per retail the consistent right

1:36:45 ↗ to add the third category of 45 I don't

1:36:48 ↗ approve I don't feel like I have enough

1:36:50 ↗ information to define what that number

1:36:52 ↗ is I think our question to you is do

1:36:55 ↗ others is that a common thing to do is

1:36:57 ↗ to break it down even further

1:36:59 ↗ or is it like this is the standard thing

1:37:00 ↗ everyone does uses the 1:25 mark yeah

1:37:02 ↗ okay it feels like there should be

1:37:04 ↗ something other cheers it defines a

1:37:06 ↗ small and then a mid tier and a large

1:37:10 ↗ and if you notice on the grocery and

1:37:12 ↗ convenience store the small is basically

1:37:16 ↗ zero to four whereas the mid is four to

1:37:19 ↗ forty five so that's much larger it's

1:37:22 ↗ not just cutting it in half right

1:37:24 ↗ so by that same standard I would be more

1:37:28 ↗ likely to look at a small retail being

1:37:31 ↗ under twelve thousand square feet and

1:37:34 ↗ then the mid size being twelve to one

1:37:37 ↗ twenty five and then the large that's

1:37:40 ↗ that same ten percent ratio so what I

1:37:43 ↗ would like to know is if there is a

1:37:45 ↗ standard out there and if we could use

1:37:49 ↗ that because I think the correct me if

1:37:52 ↗ I'm wrong but the general idea is we're

1:37:55 ↗ looking at mixed-use residential and

1:37:56 ↗ Village residential and saying that

1:37:59 ↗ would be most appropriate for small and

1:38:02 ↗ then midsize would be most appropriate

1:38:07 ↗ for urban core and mixed-use and then my

1:38:10 ↗ question would be does large make sense

1:38:13 ↗ in any of those does I don't think a

1:38:18 ↗ huge big-box store presents an

1:38:21 ↗ opportunity for walkability

1:38:23 ↗ and vibrancy

1:38:27 ↗ other than of course when we already

1:38:29 ↗ know and love that is true

1:38:32 ↗ and if there was a situation where it

1:38:34 ↗ was multiple stories you know that might

1:38:38 ↗ make me feel differently so I'm I have

1:38:45 ↗ that vision put in the highlands right

1:38:49 ↗ okay well I can go back is this

1:38:52 ↗ something that I would need that you'd

1:38:54 ↗ need to hold this and I need to come

1:38:56 ↗ back to you with that or is that

1:38:58 ↗ something that I could well what if we

1:39:01 ↗ created a category and we passed it

1:39:04 ↗ along with this smaller sized category

1:39:06 ↗ whether it be Jason's addition of a tee

1:39:08 ↗ or we use the 45 that was earlier in the

1:39:10 ↗ document and then if you do some

1:39:12 ↗ research and you come back and you're

1:39:13 ↗ like this is silly you guys are just

1:39:15 ↗ making up stuff I would never say it's

1:39:20 ↗ almost like a caveat like we see that

1:39:21 ↗ there may be space for a more tared

1:39:23 ↗ system here right but we're also like

1:39:27 ↗ wait doesn't right that would be the

1:39:30 ↗ recommendation if you all would agree

1:39:32 ↗ that it needs to have more definitions

1:39:35 ↗ to it and we trust whatever the research

1:39:37 ↗ would be to move those those separations

1:39:39 ↗ to the council that way okay and further

1:39:42 ↗ I would say while I don't think it makes

1:39:45 ↗ sense for a retail of a hundred thousand

1:39:48 ↗ square feet to go into mixed-use

1:39:50 ↗ residential or village residential if

1:39:52 ↗ that's the standard sizing that

1:39:55 ↗ everybody's used to I would also trust

1:39:57 ↗ the market to make that decision okay so

1:40:01 ↗ I think if your point we can just strike

1:40:05 ↗ it from urban core right now I mean

1:40:07 ↗ we're saying even if the market supports

1:40:09 ↗ it there's no way that we want to have

1:40:11 ↗ you know equal to or greater than

1:40:14 ↗ 125,000 square feet in the urban core

1:40:23 ↗ what if it was so you're saying no

1:40:27 ↗ retail that big what if it was like a

1:40:30 ↗ flagship store of Crate and Barrel REI

1:40:36 ↗ all of our favorites

1:40:38 ↗ right and I think we're saying they

1:40:40 ↗ would have to go into the highlands into

1:40:42 ↗ mixed-use but not the core okay I mean

1:40:47 ↗ actually that brings up a good point

1:40:49 ↗ let's say all being decided they want to

1:40:52 ↗ come to is across another good one er no

1:40:55 ↗ I said another being decided they want

1:41:04 ↗ to come to Issaquah yeah Malcolm where

1:41:07 ↗ would we put them not the other is their

1:41:11 ↗ stores are huge or a Cabela's I heard

1:41:14 ↗ huge nagging drawers I mean Heath would

1:41:17 ↗ go bonkers to get a Cabela's in here the

1:41:20 ↗ revenue so what if they're buried with

1:41:22 ↗ them if we weren't to put them in the

1:41:23 ↗ urban core or juice Islands Highlands is

1:41:30 ↗ another through space to put it and what

1:41:33 ↗ if it was vertical what if it was a

1:41:34 ↗ vertical Alice yeah yeah 125,000 around

1:41:42 ↗ the core

1:41:42 ↗ all right on the urban core but

1:41:45 ↗ they don't think we should have anything

1:41:48 ↗ like this in mixed use or village

1:41:49 ↗ residential even as an option you think

1:41:52 ↗ you're the large ones large yeah so no

1:41:58 ↗ 125 or more in mixed use no no yeah Ron

1:42:03 ↗ Seng leave it leave it as written so the

1:42:05 ↗ first line for greater than 125 we're

1:42:08 ↗ saying keep it as written second line

1:42:12 ↗ for under 125 we're saying we hope that

1:42:18 ↗ it gets split into a medium and a small

1:42:22 ↗ okay and only small is permitted and

1:42:25 ↗ just for the first two though mixed

1:42:26 ↗ juice and village residential or for the

1:42:28 ↗ whole line okay just for those four sold

1:42:30 ↗ small would be okay in any of that my

1:42:33 ↗ thing okay yeah so then how would that

1:42:35 ↗ change so we're creating a smaller

1:42:36 ↗ category we're saying the smaller

1:42:38 ↗ category is allowed across the board

1:42:40 ↗ what's than the proposal for right now

1:42:42 ↗ middle one then would be only urban core

1:42:46 ↗ and mixed-use not mixed-use residential

1:42:48 ↗ or village residential we only want

1:42:52 ↗ small retailers in mixed cheese mix so

1:42:56 ↗ let me see if I got to do that the small

1:42:59 ↗ one what if it works it's not

1:43:03 ↗ appropriate not what we want for a

1:43:08 ↗ vision right but if it's a great

1:43:12 ↗ facility with beautiful outside that

1:43:15 ↗ offers things for the residents I don't

1:43:19 ↗ know what that would be but what if it

1:43:21 ↗ was a perfect thing for that area I

1:43:24 ↗ can't see how to 25,000 square feet but

1:43:27 ↗ I can see something smaller than that

1:43:31 ↗ well that's why we're having a smaller

1:43:33 ↗ delay right but 45,000 square feet 480

1:43:38 ↗ I don't know what 45,000 square feet is

1:43:41 ↗ I don't know what kind of a company

1:43:45 ↗ would need more or less in the 45 I

1:43:50 ↗ can't vision it and so for me to

1:43:53 ↗ restrict it down to that is kind of hard

1:43:56 ↗ unless I know something more than and

1:44:00 ↗ that's why we're asking for the research

1:44:02 ↗ yeah fresh corn you know everything

1:44:04 ↗ remind me so Alice that would that

1:44:07 ↗ parcel that's on you know on the left

1:44:09 ↗ when you drive in that had we had the

1:44:11 ↗ whole discussion about office previously

1:44:13 ↗ that was in the 125 range wasn't that I

1:44:16 ↗ think it was 150 yeah it's was supposed

1:44:20 ↗ to have a big office there some day but

1:44:22 ↗ we weren't successful because then the

1:44:25 ↗ market right right it was around that

1:44:29 ↗ side yeah right and it was intended for

1:44:32 ↗ that right oh yeah I would argue that

1:44:34 ↗ that size space is not appropriate in

1:44:37 ↗ the mixed-use residential or the village

1:44:39 ↗ residential we agree on that yes but the

1:44:44 ↗ way it's written here we have an option

1:44:46 ↗ in the operator 125 125 thousand and up

1:44:49 ↗ to 125 thousand and what we're saying is

1:44:51 ↗ a hundred twenty-five thousand is too

1:44:53 ↗ much or mixed use residential we want

1:44:57 ↗ maybe half that right so we're saying

1:44:59 ↗ what's that we would strike the up to

1:45:02 ↗ 125 from the first two categories of mu

1:45:06 ↗ R and the VR however our third category

1:45:10 ↗ that we're creating him smaller is

1:45:12 ↗ allowed across the board

1:45:13 ↗ mm-hm and that would be the small only

1:45:15 ↗ would be in the mix juice it would be in

1:45:17 ↗ the to residential categories small

1:45:20 ↗ would be across until John's point and

1:45:22 ↗ we can make that higher even though

1:45:23 ↗ we've used 45 earlier in the document

1:45:25 ↗ that doesn't unless obviously you

1:45:27 ↗ Trish's research shows there's a reason

1:45:29 ↗ for these numbers we could up that to 80

1:45:32 ↗ so there's a difference between 80 and

1:45:34 ↗ the 125 who allows them or something

1:45:37 ↗ that had some girth to be able to still

1:45:39 ↗ 16 so let's figure out what that number

1:45:42 ↗ is that make sense hilarious it sound

1:45:46 ↗ like we're flexible on the

1:45:47 ↗ smaller number right but you want a

1:45:49 ↗ small medium and large small only in

1:45:52 ↗ mixed-use residential and Village

1:45:54 ↗ residential well all of them can be

1:45:57 ↗ small but the only retail that can go in

1:45:59 ↗ those two are the small the medium is

1:46:02 ↗ only urban core and mixed-use and

1:46:07 ↗ intensive special is that right and then

1:46:10 ↗ 125 or more is where yeah okay so that

1:46:18 ↗ goes our way - okay you're all in the

1:46:20 ↗ same theater if some hesitancy and

1:46:23 ↗ putting a huge big-box store but I can

1:46:25 ↗ see where it would be good I don't see

1:46:31 ↗ how that would be good in the urban core

1:46:32 ↗ but if you guys want to live with it and

1:46:34 ↗ what the market decide that's fine

1:46:35 ↗ there's multi density yeah you can have

1:46:39 ↗ an Ikea express where they don't

1:46:42 ↗ actually have a warehouse attached to it

1:46:47 ↗ that just ruins the worst part of the

1:46:50 ↗ shopping experience I've been stuck in

1:46:51 ↗ the maze and then I don't even get my

1:46:53 ↗ items that sounds terrible yes

1:46:55 ↗ right on several levels in Hong Kong

1:46:58 ↗ that the IKEA is on several levels and

1:47:01 ↗ it it's impossible

1:47:02 ↗ oh yeah it pasta I've been there for

1:47:04 ↗ days yeah no I've been to Ikea once it's

1:47:07 ↗ something like the old cannery all right

1:47:09 ↗ where it's an amazing shop you can walk

1:47:12 ↗ around and you can walk around for miles

1:47:13 ↗ and staff of it's just a warehouse and

1:47:17 ↗ the other half is retail okay so we're

1:47:20 ↗ having we're gonna move on so we have

1:47:22 ↗ three with three feet so no surprise it

1:47:25 ↗ makes sense this is the landscape this

1:47:29 ↗ is our last page I was oh my gosh I

1:47:34 ↗ wanted to I've got a real concern with

1:47:38 ↗ dry kini for next use village urban core

1:47:42 ↗ was an exception of intensive commercial

1:47:45 ↗ but even I worry about intensive

1:47:47 ↗ commercial for dry cleaning because the

1:47:49 ↗ come

1:47:50 ↗ fools are so toxic yes they are get yeah

1:47:59 ↗ dry cleaning using chlorinated solvents

1:48:02 ↗ is prohibited and those things whatever

1:48:05 ↗ that means

1:48:06 ↗ Saqqara which is the critical Aquifer

1:48:08 ↗ recharge area Thank You Lindsay and time

1:48:11 ↗ reading the footnote okay well in that

1:48:14 ↗ case I didn't see the 22 the footnote

1:48:17 ↗ error

1:48:17 ↗ I was looking over for the piezo because

1:48:19 ↗ he's got footnotes in both areas so yep

1:48:21 ↗ love the footnotes love the footnotes

1:48:24 ↗ you can have a store that just wears the

1:48:28 ↗ clothes and gets it cleaned off site and

1:48:31 ↗ brings it back yes I mean that kind of

1:48:34 ↗ facility you need yes technically yes

1:48:38 ↗ because a dry cleaning shop if I'm not

1:48:41 ↗ mistaken as is actually considered a

1:48:44 ↗ hazardous industrial if it has the

1:48:47 ↗ solvents there yeah so that's why we we

1:48:51 ↗ limit where they can be because we have

1:48:53 ↗ a critical Aquifer recharge areas and

1:48:58 ↗ and I just further asked where or what

1:49:02 ↗ percentage of these areas is class 1 2 &

1:49:05 ↗ 3

1:49:05 ↗ there's a map in the land-use code on

1:49:08 ↗ where the cars are and I don't know

1:49:11 ↗ those off the top of my they very close

1:49:13 ↗ to rivers or near the creek and it's

1:49:16 ↗ near though are the wells are water

1:49:18 ↗ wells and so varying Fairport just like

1:49:23 ↗ I know there's some in all town there's

1:49:24 ↗ some by the interchange where that our

1:49:26 ↗ water wells are but yeah there's we have

1:49:30 ↗ a mall mapped because we're so water

1:49:32 ↗ conscious here yep but I can send you

1:49:34 ↗ those if if anyone's interested in

1:49:36 ↗ seeing where the car is are I think we

1:49:38 ↗ should be fine so does that deal with

1:49:41 ↗ the concerns removing feed store and

1:49:46 ↗ agricultural supply does that mean that

1:49:49 ↗ it's not permitted anywhere this was one

1:49:52 ↗ of the errors that I found that's true

1:49:55 ↗ what we were doing with the feed store

1:49:57 ↗ but actually the plant nursery would be

1:50:01 ↗ at least the proposal is that would be

1:50:03 ↗ allowed while everywhere but destination

1:50:06 ↗ retail because we're getting rid of that

1:50:07 ↗ zone but the plant nursery would be

1:50:10 ↗ permitted would go back in an urban core

1:50:13 ↗ mix juice on I see that was an error in

1:50:16 ↗ the but what about the feed store and

1:50:18 ↗ egg supply that youths would be removed

1:50:20 ↗ oh there's not allowed anywhere in in

1:50:25 ↗ central central other than where it

1:50:28 ↗ already exists correct

1:50:34 ↗ questions or comments on that yeah I'm

1:50:37 ↗ assuming you got feedback from our

1:50:38 ↗ beloved eat store and agricultural

1:50:42 ↗ supply right because remember they're

1:50:43 ↗ not in central anymore but no I didn't

1:50:46 ↗ hear although we don't know where they

1:50:48 ↗ are

1:50:48 ↗ right that's generally don't well son

1:50:51 ↗ lost

1:50:53 ↗ okay so we've gone through it and

1:50:57 ↗ documented a few changes mm-hmm and so

1:51:02 ↗ before we unless you have anything else

1:51:06 ↗ to add before we actually vote on it and

1:51:12 ↗ recommend that it goes mm-hmm I do see

1:51:17 ↗ somebody in the audience and we did

1:51:20 ↗ discuss having if anybody came in late

1:51:23 ↗ that they would have the opportunity to

1:51:25 ↗ make a comment oh I have see anybody who

1:51:31 ↗ would like to make a comment you don't

1:51:35 ↗ have to gotta do what I said I do and I

1:51:46 ↗ appreciate the opportunity thank you

1:51:48 ↗ Steve for a town about ten years now I

1:51:52 ↗ mean I looked through all this material

1:51:54 ↗ and I am NOT versed enough in city code

1:51:58 ↗ and and zoning and all that to make

1:52:00 ↗ anything articulate I can't talk about

1:52:03 ↗ pick up pieces what should be here we

1:52:05 ↗ should we can it's just this idea of

1:52:07 ↗ this vision or the scope or the sense of

1:52:09 ↗ place that we seem to be losing Issaquah

1:52:11 ↗ that I can speak to a little bit when we

1:52:15 ↗ talk about maybe not lemonade lemonade

1:52:18 ↗ big hotels to certain areas when we talk

1:52:20 ↗ about maybe not scoping new apartment

1:52:24 ↗ complexes to places were they give the

1:52:27 ↗ chance to build out a certain area of

1:52:30 ↗ the city without impacting schools too

1:52:32 ↗ much where we crowd people into places

1:52:36 ↗ where the streets aren't allowed I'm

1:52:37 ↗ already writing about traffic and clinic

1:52:39 ↗ my name is or the things of the sense of

1:52:41 ↗ place that we're losing that unless we

1:52:43 ↗ take the time to put some more

1:52:46 ↗ restrictions based on zoning and code

1:52:48 ↗ in place to further limit these things

1:52:52 ↗ to limit the heights and all that that

1:52:55 ↗ goes with zoning that I don't think we

1:52:56 ↗ have in place today until not just me

1:53:01 ↗ but people like you that have a greater

1:53:03 ↗ influence in scope and say that's okay

1:53:06 ↗ that we look at zoning to do things and

1:53:08 ↗ not just say the developers want these

1:53:09 ↗ things so if we don't allow the

1:53:10 ↗ developers to have their say they're

1:53:13 ↗ what gonna leave they're gonna be upset

1:53:15 ↗ I don't know that I I appreciate their

1:53:17 ↗ input but we have a chance to build the

1:53:20 ↗ type of place that is why we want to be

1:53:22 ↗ and not have our perspective that we

1:53:24 ↗ said we're not women going to limit

1:53:27 ↗ their concerns or the rights of their

1:53:30 ↗ input that's the chance that this

1:53:32 ↗ document is to say to limited scope

1:53:36 ↗ gives things and I'm asking you to take

1:53:38 ↗ those into consideration as you vote and

1:53:41 ↗ deliberate and then meantime I obviously

1:53:44 ↗ need to do some more homework on things

1:53:49 ↗ like zoning and and all that so thank

1:53:52 ↗ you again for your time thanks for

1:53:53 ↗ serving with that you want to make a

1:54:04 ↗ motion to approve what we've just gone

1:54:07 ↗ through and send it to land in short I

1:54:12 ↗ already hear Trish do you feel like you

1:54:18 ↗ have all of our random amendments I have

1:54:21 ↗ all your very specific and

1:54:23 ↗ well-thought-out changes yeah I don't

1:54:26 ↗ make emotions and has them wreck emotion

1:54:28 ↗ for as we've discussed in the ether

1:54:31 ↗ without having to and the small medium

1:54:35 ↗ and large will sort of phrase it that

1:54:38 ↗ way and then we'll do some research to

1:54:40 ↗ see if we can buttonhole what those

1:54:41 ↗ numbers would be okay I'd like to make a

1:54:45 ↗ motion that we adopt the findings of

1:54:49 ↗ fact as amended in this meeting this

1:54:51 ↗ evening second any further discussion

1:54:59 ↗ no all those in favor say aye aye

1:55:03 ↗ opposed

1:55:05 ↗ hearing none the motion passes to older

1:55:09 ↗ than I initially yes Oh to the full

1:55:11 ↗ council well done okay next meeting

1:55:17 ↗ we're gonna start general the

1:55:20 ↗ comprehensive plan amendments it's only

1:55:23 ↗ September right we have tons of time to

1:55:26 ↗ get through all the docket items right

1:55:28 ↗ we may not be doing some this year

1:55:31 ↗ because some of them like the Turin

1:55:34 ↗ master program isn't coming we found out

1:55:36 ↗ till next year so that one gets

1:55:38 ↗ postponed there's several of them that

1:55:39 ↗ our timing didn't line up with one the

1:55:42 ↗ project is actually coming forward to us

1:55:44 ↗ which is good because there were a lot

1:55:46 ↗ on the docket as you guys probably

1:55:48 ↗ remember but we're hoping to bring the

1:55:50 ↗ land-use element all the pieces of the

1:55:51 ↗ land-use element that are on the docket

1:55:54 ↗ we're trying to bring that September

1:55:55 ↗ 13th on since you just had two meetings

1:55:59 ↗ off we're figuring you're gonna just be

1:56:01 ↗ raring to go in September am i right

1:56:04 ↗ you're right excellent anything else and

1:56:08 ↗ make sure you're just super sweet to

1:56:09 ↗ Emily so she will stay another many

1:56:12 ↗ weeks Emily would you like to make a

1:56:16 ↗ comment I always like this it would be

1:56:24 ↗ nice to to let the community know who

1:56:27 ↗ you are and what you look like and

1:56:29 ↗ please we are how pleased you are that

1:56:33 ↗ you're here

1:56:33 ↗ hello commissioners good evening my name

1:56:36 ↗ is Emily our touch-a I'm a Senior

1:56:38 ↗ Planner your new senior planner working

1:56:39 ↗ in long range with Trish and Kristen and

1:56:44 ↗ I'm pleased to be here we're pleased to

1:56:49 ↗ have you thank you questions for our new

1:56:52 ↗ person

1:56:58 ↗ thank you very much they are very

1:57:03 ↗ appreciative of all the planets because

1:57:06 ↗ we know they do an awful lot of work and

1:57:07 ↗ so I think having you and having known

1:57:11 ↗ you for a long time I just want to

1:57:14 ↗ welcome you and thank you for moving to

1:57:17 ↗ our cities thank you

1:57:19 ↗ good deal Thank You chair good deal with

1:57:23 ↗ that with that I'm going to close the

1:57:26 ↗ meeting at 8:29 nicely done nicely done

1:57:32 ↗ group and thank

1:57:41 ↗ you

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