Park Board · Monday, September 28, 2020 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Membership

packet pp.3

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Staff report:

Park Board About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this board provides guidance and Milissa Ching, Operations Analyst direction in meeting the City’s parks and Email recreational needs by advising the Mayor and Parks & Recreation Director on matters relating to the Regular Members planning; acquisition, development; and operation 2022 - Bradley Book of parks, facilities and recreational programs inside 2022 - Ruben Nieto the City limits. 2022 - Jonathan Richardson 2022 - Linda Whitworth Membership 2023 - Chris Kovac The Park Board is comprised of nine regular 2020 - Joe Frauenheim members, with four-year terms; and two 2020 - Carl Riess alternates, with two-year terms. All members are 2021 - Jeremy Noble appointed by the Mayor and subject to 2021 - Danielle Wolfrom Githens confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire April 30 of the year listed. For more information, see Alternate…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of August 24, 2020

packet pp.5–23

Previously discussed: Park Board · Aug 24, 2020

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 08-24-2020 Park Board Minutes 7:00 PM Virtual Meeting August 24, 2020 DRAFT MINUTES

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Temporary Dog Park Update

Director and Jennifer Fink, Park Planner and · 45 min · Jeff Watling, Parks and Community Services · packet pp.25–45

Topics: Parks

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Staff report:

IV. Poll Question – What do you think?

Capital Project Updates

Director and Jennifer Fink, Park Planner and · 30 min · Jeff Watling, Parks and Community Services

Topics: Parks

5. REPORTS

Chairperson's Report

Director's Report

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0:08 ↗ okay welcome everybody

0:09 ↗ to the september 28 2020

0:14 ↗ park board meeting this is our second go

0:17 ↗ around here on webex so

0:19 ↗ bear with us if we have any glitches but

0:21 ↗ it looks like we're

0:22 ↗ set up here pretty well this evening

0:25 ↗ so um

0:29 ↗ the first thing i want to do actually

0:31 ↗ i'm going to provide some efficiency

0:33 ↗ here

0:34 ↗ i'm not going to do roll call and

0:36 ↗ minutes approval at the same time so we

0:38 ↗ don't have to go around the horn twice

0:41 ↗ you know i'm breaking the rules but i

0:43 ↗ guess i can do that

0:45 ↗ so

0:49 ↗ first of all we're going to need to have

0:50 ↗ somebody

0:53 ↗ give a motion to approve minutes i

0:56 ↗ assume everybody had an opportunity to

0:57 ↗ review minutes

0:59 ↗ from our last meeting in august

1:02 ↗ but i have a motion to appreciate i'll

1:05 ↗ motion to

1:06 ↗ approve this car okay could i have a

1:09 ↗ second please

1:12 ↗ second jonathan his second okay thank

1:15 ↗ you for that

1:15 ↗ jonathan so uh now i'm gonna just go

1:19 ↗ around uh to everybody that's with us

1:22 ↗ here on the board and uh just

1:26 ↗ state um uh that you are here

1:30 ↗ you either approve or don't approve the

1:32 ↗ list all at one time

1:35 ↗ and so we're gonna start with uh reuben

1:41 ↗ i approve the minutes i vote yes thank

1:44 ↗ you reuben

1:45 ↗ uh jonathan

1:49 ↗ jonathan present uh approved

1:52 ↗ thank you jonathan carl

1:56 ↗ uh carl's present and uh i approve

1:58 ↗ minutes

1:59 ↗ thank you carl and danielle

2:05 ↗ sorry i approve the minutes thank you

2:08 ↗ danielle

2:11 ↗ i think that covers everybody from the

2:13 ↗ board that's with us this evening

2:16 ↗ so thank you for all of that uh this

2:19 ↗ evening we have uh

2:21 ↗ two main items on the agenda we're going

2:23 ↗ to talk about

2:24 ↗ uh the dog park uh primarily the

2:27 ↗ temporary dog park i don't know if we'll

2:29 ↗ get into too much discussion at all

2:31 ↗ about

2:32 ↗ the more permanent one but i suppose

2:34 ↗ that'll slip in

2:35 ↗ occasionally and a little bit of an

2:38 ↗ update about

2:39 ↗ master plans both those items are going

2:41 ↗ to be discussed

2:42 ↗ by both jeff and jennifer

2:47 ↗ so before we get started with that

2:51 ↗ it's time for public comments if anybody

2:54 ↗ would like to do that

2:56 ↗ citizen comments are an important part

2:58 ↗ of the public process and we take them

3:00 ↗ seriously and factor them

3:02 ↗ into the decisions that we make

3:05 ↗ i see that we actually have two people

3:08 ↗ that looks like have

3:09 ↗ called in uh if you would like to make

3:13 ↗ public comment at this time

3:16 ↗ please press star 3 on your phone

3:20 ↗ uh and we can call on you to

3:23 ↗ make a public comment

3:26 ↗ we are not going to have any further

3:29 ↗ public comments

3:30 ↗ after agenda items this evening so if

3:33 ↗ you'd like to talk about these two

3:35 ↗ agenda items please speak at this time

3:43 ↗ and i'm not seeing that anyone

3:48 ↗ is

3:51 ↗ i seen that right nobody looks like

3:53 ↗ they're making any comments

3:55 ↗ from the community

3:59 ↗ i think connie would like to speak

4:01 ↗ [Music]

4:05 ↗ okay

4:09 ↗ that was fun i just kept blazing and

4:12 ↗ lowering my hand hoping you'd see me

4:14 ↗ i saw your hand yes we can hear you

4:18 ↗ very good so uh i am going to

4:22 ↗ start with large and go down

4:25 ↗ to minutia as i am

4:28 ↗ watching the city looking at redoing

4:31 ↗ title

4:32 ↗ 18 and i am watching the parks

4:34 ↗ department

4:35 ↗ try to figure out how to deal with

4:37 ↗ endless

4:38 ↗ master plans it seems like there should

4:42 ↗ be a better way

4:44 ↗ uh and more efficient way and a more

4:46 ↗ flexible way

4:47 ↗ to deal with parks planning so i would

4:51 ↗ like for everyone to think about what

4:54 ↗ that would be because doing

4:58 ↗ what three master plans at the same time

5:00 ↗ well trying to actually

5:02 ↗ change what you're doing in a master

5:04 ↗ plan

5:06 ↗ uh is chaotic and difficult and

5:09 ↗ expensive so

5:11 ↗ i don't know the answers to that but now

5:13 ↗ is the time

5:14 ↗ to think about it so now i'm going to go

5:18 ↗ to the next tier down

5:19 ↗ which is master plan and

5:23 ↗ with our funding difficulties and the

5:26 ↗ potential lack of funding

5:28 ↗ into the future i don't understand why

5:30 ↗ we're doing

5:31 ↗ massive master plans planning

5:34 ↗ it seems like now would be the time to

5:37 ↗ be doing

5:38 ↗ projects the few that we can

5:42 ↗ do because that's that's what we can

5:44 ↗ afford

5:45 ↗ um am i still online

5:48 ↗ yes connie okay because my screen

5:52 ↗ just went blank um then i'm going down

5:55 ↗ to the minutia

5:57 ↗ which is the concept of temporary

6:00 ↗ dog park uh i'm not a fan of

6:04 ↗ parks and total motion with two week

6:07 ↗ gaps

6:08 ↗ in between if it turns out that there is

6:11 ↗ no way to have a semi-permanent

6:15 ↗ temporary dog park i agree with whoever

6:18 ↗ the

6:19 ↗ person was who said you know buy more

6:22 ↗ fencing

6:23 ↗ so that you don't have a gap and you can

6:26 ↗ just

6:27 ↗ move seamlessly from dog park to dog

6:29 ↗ park with

6:30 ↗ signage at your old dog park pointing

6:33 ↗ you to the new

6:34 ↗ dog park right and i think you could

6:37 ↗ have

6:38 ↗ uh water for dogs though not water for

6:41 ↗ people because i don't think water for

6:42 ↗ dogs is a coveted

6:43 ↗ issue uh and i think there are some

6:46 ↗ places where either a hose or being able

6:48 ↗ to access it from a building

6:51 ↗ is possible and i also

6:54 ↗ think that there's no reason that we

6:56 ↗ can't

6:57 ↗ have a picnic table tossed in so that

7:01 ↗ someone

7:02 ↗ can sit down because there's a lot of

7:03 ↗ elderly people who actually

7:06 ↗ can't stand for the period of time it

7:08 ↗ takes their dogs to

7:09 ↗ meander around and i i i think that's

7:12 ↗ easy

7:13 ↗ i don't think it costs a lot so

7:16 ↗ i'm cautiously for

7:20 ↗ a temporary dog park

7:23 ↗ i am not for planning

7:26 ↗ massive master plans at this point in

7:28 ↗ time given our budget

7:30 ↗ and i think we need to rethink how we do

7:34 ↗ things from a 30 000 foot level because

7:36 ↗ i don't think this is working very well

7:39 ↗ thank you very much thank you connie

7:46 ↗ any other public comments

7:49 ↗ i think that's it okay

7:53 ↗ public comments are closed thank you for

7:56 ↗ that

7:58 ↗ so i guess that leads us into our first

8:00 ↗ agenda item which is going to be

8:02 ↗ talking about uh the dog park and

8:07 ↗ maybe jeff you can jeff or jen can talk

8:10 ↗ a little bit about maybe what connie's

8:12 ↗ concerns are within your discussion if

8:14 ↗ possible

8:17 ↗ yeah brad thanks uh jeff waddling parks

8:19 ↗ director i'll i'll kick it off

8:21 ↗ jen if you're able to share the screen

8:23 ↗ we can

8:24 ↗ um we're going to share for you

8:28 ↗ the powerpoint presentation we presented

8:31 ↗ at the at the public meeting

8:32 ↗ um i think a number of connie's comments

8:35 ↗ um

8:36 ↗ will be addressed as we're as we're

8:38 ↗ talking through this uh and then

8:40 ↗ certainly as we open it up for um q a if

8:43 ↗ there's any uh remaining ones

8:45 ↗ um we can certainly talk about them then

8:47 ↗ many of

8:48 ↗ connie's comments mirror some of the

8:51 ↗ feedback we've

8:52 ↗ we've already heard in particular with

8:54 ↗ this

8:55 ↗ this idea this concept of the temporary

8:57 ↗ dog parks

9:00 ↗ as we shared with you at our august park

9:03 ↗ board meeting we were

9:05 ↗ working with the mayor's office on ways

9:08 ↗ that we might

9:09 ↗ pilot

9:12 ↗ some temporary options some ways that we

9:15 ↗ could relieve some of this immediate

9:16 ↗ pressure of of providing an off-leash

9:19 ↗ dog

9:20 ↗ space or areas given

9:23 ↗ um what we shared with you and shared

9:26 ↗ with the community in june

9:27 ↗ um some of our work plan impacts related

9:30 ↗ to to covet as well as some other

9:32 ↗ impacts related to

9:34 ↗ us trying to get the dog park um

9:36 ↗ completed so

9:38 ↗ um jen if you want to turn the page

9:42 ↗ what um we'll talk here in the next

9:45 ↗ 10 minutes or so is again provide a

9:48 ↗ quick update on

9:50 ↗ uh permanent dog park and where we're at

9:52 ↗ in that

9:53 ↗ um in that regard and then uh this

9:57 ↗ temporary dog park option that

9:59 ↗ again we'd love to get some of your

10:00 ↗ feedback on um

10:02 ↗ get some of your feedback uh share with

10:04 ↗ you some of the feedback we heard from

10:06 ↗ the community at our at our public

10:08 ↗ meeting on the on the 17th

10:10 ↗ and um answer any of your questions and

10:13 ↗ have some discussion and then

10:15 ↗ really open it up for your consideration

10:17 ↗ um

10:18 ↗ [Music]

10:20 ↗ as staff and certainly the the mayor

10:22 ↗ would be interested in knowing

10:24 ↗ uh what you as the park board feel in

10:26 ↗ terms of whether you would

10:28 ↗ um support proceeding with a temporary

10:31 ↗ dog park option

10:32 ↗ while we continue pursuit of the

10:35 ↗ permanent dog park

10:37 ↗ the next slide jen

10:42 ↗ so updating on where we're at with our

10:45 ↗ tibbetts valley

10:46 ↗ proposed site as was shared earlier

10:50 ↗ in

10:54 ↗ earlier this year as we were navigating

10:58 ↗ as a city coveted impacts

11:01 ↗ revenue impacts budget impacts

11:04 ↗ there were some pretty big ones that hit

11:06 ↗ us

11:08 ↗ namely reductions and

11:12 ↗ reducing general fund investments given

11:16 ↗ uh the general fund impact that covid

11:19 ↗ was going to have both on sales tax

11:21 ↗ and and quite possibly property tax and

11:24 ↗ so

11:25 ↗ there was a hundred thousand dollars out

11:26 ↗ of the general fund that was

11:31 ↗ budgeted for our dog park at tibbetts

11:33 ↗ valley park that was

11:35 ↗ uh that was suspended as part of as part

11:38 ↗ of covet also

11:40 ↗ as i've shared with you before we had to

11:41 ↗ make some very unfortunate staffing

11:44 ↗ reductions throughout the department um

11:47 ↗ about 12 positions in all one of those

11:49 ↗ positions was one of our park planner

11:50 ↗ positions

11:51 ↗ shantae floriani is no longer with us as

11:55 ↗ a staff

11:57 ↗ staff member that was a significant

11:59 ↗ impact

12:00 ↗ so those impacts alone along with

12:03 ↗ two frozen park maintenance positions uh

12:06 ↗ really reduced our

12:08 ↗ capacity and ability to

12:12 ↗ deliver this project as we were

12:14 ↗ intending as you remember through our

12:15 ↗ discussions we were going to serve as

12:17 ↗ general contractor our park maintenance

12:19 ↗ staff was going to

12:20 ↗ lend a pretty sizable amount of support

12:22 ↗ to doing some overseeing some volunteer

12:24 ↗ efforts

12:25 ↗ um coupled with the budget reduction

12:28 ↗ that made it

12:29 ↗ very difficult to proceed with that the

12:32 ↗ project this year

12:34 ↗ also and i think equally as as

12:38 ↗ impactful um as we've been going through

12:41 ↗ this process

12:42 ↗ um we've been working with um um the

12:45 ↗ regulatory side of the city

12:47 ↗ uh the planning department um um

12:50 ↗ had been meeting with them last year

12:53 ↗ getting specific guidance on what the

12:56 ↗ permitting process would look like

12:59 ↗ as you probably recall from our

13:01 ↗ conversations last fall

13:02 ↗ as we were zeroing in on the tibbetts

13:05 ↗ site and we were sharing with you what

13:08 ↗ we were hearing from planning in terms

13:10 ↗ of what we were expecting

13:12 ↗ from a permitting process we were

13:15 ↗ provided just before

13:17 ↗ the pandemic hit in february some new

13:19 ↗ permitting information

13:22 ↗ from planning that let us know that we

13:25 ↗ along with what they were asking us to

13:27 ↗ do requiring us to do in terms of land

13:29 ↗ use and site permits

13:31 ↗ also wanting us to do a master plan

13:34 ↗ update

13:35 ↗ so what this means is this kind of

13:37 ↗ speaks a bit to

13:39 ↗ i think some of connie's comments so a

13:40 ↗ master plan was adopted in 1998

13:43 ↗ for tibbetts valley park um obviously a

13:46 ↗ dog park wasn't planned

13:48 ↗ in 1998 um nor was a skate park no was

13:51 ↗ nor was some other elements but um

13:55 ↗ we were advised and told that we would

13:58 ↗ need to update that master plan

14:00 ↗ that has an impact both financially

14:03 ↗ in terms of that permitting process and

14:05 ↗ also time

14:08 ↗ given the budget impacts we had as i

14:11 ↗ said earlier

14:12 ↗ coupled with this new information it it

14:15 ↗ really

14:16 ↗ became pretty clear that uh though we

14:18 ↗ still want to proceed and and

14:20 ↗ pursue a permanent dog park um

14:22 ↗ accomplishing that this year

14:24 ↗ um or even realistically next year uh

14:27 ↗ was going to become increasingly

14:28 ↗ difficult

14:30 ↗ so that led as we've communicated to the

14:34 ↗ community

14:35 ↗ as we shared at our public meeting on

14:36 ↗ the 17th as we've shared with you

14:39 ↗ last meeting this need

14:43 ↗ and and really i think strong support

14:45 ↗ from the mayor's office

14:47 ↗ exploring what near-term options we

14:49 ↗ might have

14:50 ↗ um to

14:54 ↗ provide some type of off-leash dog areas

14:56 ↗ uh within our

14:57 ↗ within our park system next slide jen

15:05 ↗ so this idea of a temporary dog park

15:08 ↗ began to percolate

15:09 ↗ something we heard in the public comment

15:11 ↗ tonight we also heard

15:14 ↗ a lot at our meeting was boy ideally

15:17 ↗ wouldn't it be nice to do a temporary

15:18 ↗ dog park that's just one site

15:21 ↗ and we just have it there all year round

15:25 ↗ how code identifies that

15:29 ↗ option um that would need to be treated

15:31 ↗ as permanent

15:33 ↗ there's there's no such thing as a

15:35 ↗ temporary site that exists

15:37 ↗ um continuously uh that would need to be

15:41 ↗ um permitted as a permanent site and and

15:44 ↗ so

15:45 ↗ um that um really

15:49 ↗ uh i think began to further this idea of

15:52 ↗ all right what would it look like

15:55 ↗ to consider a temporary dog parks plural

15:59 ↗ that existed and

16:03 ↗ sort of were in any one park site

16:06 ↗ for two to three months and then

16:10 ↗ we would rotate those sites throughout a

16:12 ↗ year and what would it look like to

16:14 ↗ pilot something like this to identify

16:17 ↗ um four locations uh that we would um

16:22 ↗ try this uh for a year um

16:25 ↗ given um our conversations with the

16:28 ↗ planning department

16:29 ↗ and what that would look like from a

16:32 ↗ permitting standpoint we would be ready

16:34 ↗ to implement something like this

16:36 ↗ beginning next month on november 1st

16:40 ↗ this would be a way that we could

16:41 ↗ address some of the immediate need

16:43 ↗ as we look at any and all of these

16:45 ↗ options we would

16:47 ↗ not only look at avoiding sensitive

16:49 ↗ areas entirely but as well their buffers

16:52 ↗ thus allowing us to to proceed

16:57 ↗ in a in an expedited fashion with this

17:00 ↗ option

17:02 ↗ next slide jen uh so

17:05 ↗ if i've learned anything in my years of

17:08 ↗ public service

17:09 ↗ and i think i'd like to think i've

17:11 ↗ learned some things but

17:12 ↗ one is that

17:16 ↗ any any and all options um

17:19 ↗ um anything we pursue um as

17:23 ↗ a public project involves trade-offs um

17:27 ↗ um there's very rarely if ever a public

17:30 ↗ project that doesn't

17:32 ↗ involve weighing the pros and cons

17:34 ↗ weighing what is gained versus what

17:38 ↗ we might have to give up or might have

17:39 ↗ to mitigate for

17:42 ↗ some pros and cons that really become

17:45 ↗ relatively self-evident in this um in

17:48 ↗ this

17:48 ↗ option this concept are listed there

17:52 ↗ this is not meant to be an all-inclusive

17:53 ↗ list by any

17:55 ↗ stretch of the imagination but certainly

17:58 ↗ some of the pros um that

18:01 ↗ again our public feedback we heard where

18:03 ↗ it was appreciated we'd be able to

18:05 ↗ implement this

18:06 ↗ this concept this fall um

18:10 ↗ one of the benefits of of sort of moving

18:12 ↗ around as we're able to test some

18:14 ↗ locations if you will we're able to

18:15 ↗ provide

18:17 ↗ an awfully sherry and various

18:19 ↗ neighborhood locations throughout the

18:20 ↗ year

18:22 ↗ the capital cost for this is really

18:24 ↗ quite low

18:25 ↗ we'd be able to preserve a good amount

18:28 ↗ of

18:29 ↗ the capital budget that remains for the

18:30 ↗ dog park keep that

18:32 ↗ for the goal of a permanent dog park

18:36 ↗ as well this utilizes existing park land

18:39 ↗ and utilizes existing

18:40 ↗ parking areas restrooms and other

18:43 ↗ amenities

18:45 ↗ trade-offs as i said of course exist and

18:48 ↗ and some pretty significant trade-offs

18:50 ↗ um i think it's it's understanding going

18:52 ↗ into this that this would in no way be

18:54 ↗ able to be a permanent

18:56 ↗ or really a long-term solution this is a

18:58 ↗ this is a near-term solution that we

19:00 ↗ would

19:01 ↗ again pilot for a year learn within that

19:04 ↗ year

19:05 ↗ if we have to continue it for a second

19:08 ↗ or third year let's learn what we

19:10 ↗ learned in that first year and

19:11 ↗ and adapt as we go um

19:15 ↗ the the some of the special amenities

19:18 ↗ that we've talked about with a permanent

19:19 ↗ location would not be something we would

19:22 ↗ want to invest in in this sort of um

19:26 ↗ mobile um sort of

19:29 ↗ circus concert tour approach where we

19:32 ↗ would be

19:33 ↗ picking up the tent if you will and

19:35 ↗ moving it

19:37 ↗ some of the comment we heard tonight in

19:38 ↗ public comment again echoed in the in

19:40 ↗ the public comment

19:41 ↗ we would certainly want to explore if

19:44 ↗ there's ways to provide some portable

19:46 ↗ benches or seating that could move um as

19:49 ↗ the circus moves so to speak

19:53 ↗ clearly we wouldn't look at permanent

19:54 ↗ water but if there were

19:56 ↗ there was water available or accessible

19:59 ↗ how might we consider tapping into that

20:03 ↗ the other i think pretty significant

20:06 ↗ downside as we already talked about is

20:08 ↗ is this would this option wouldn't

20:09 ↗ provide that sort of single

20:12 ↗ consistent year-round year-round site

20:21 ↗ so that is i guess a bit of a

20:24 ↗ broad overview of what we presented to

20:27 ↗ the community i'll hand this over to

20:29 ↗ jennifer now to talk a little bit about

20:32 ↗ um some of the more specifics of this uh

20:34 ↗ temporary model

20:35 ↗ and some of the the sites that we're

20:37 ↗ looking at and we're continuing to work

20:39 ↗ with our park operations team

20:41 ↗ and if this is something we pursue

20:44 ↗ there's there's still some fine-tuning

20:45 ↗ in terms of

20:46 ↗ specific locations sizes how we utilize

20:49 ↗ existing fence

20:51 ↗ etc but for that broad overview jen

20:55 ↗ take it away

20:58 ↗ thanks jeff and hi everyone

21:01 ↗ so we've done some work in researching

21:05 ↗ what some of the other

21:06 ↗ communities in the area have utilized

21:08 ↗ for some of the materials

21:11 ↗ for temporary pop-up dog park

21:14 ↗ more specifically the city of bothell

21:16 ↗ has had a pop-up dog park that they have

21:19 ↗ been rotating back and forth between two

21:21 ↗ sites

21:22 ↗ and they're um utilizing a portable wire

21:25 ↗ mesh fencing

21:27 ↗ which is basically a prefabricated

21:30 ↗ cattle fence that is about 16

21:33 ↗ feet wide and

21:36 ↗ 50 inches tall and that gets overlaid

21:40 ↗ with a plastic mesh overlay so some of

21:42 ↗ the smaller dogs cannot get through

21:44 ↗ it's attached to t-posts readily

21:47 ↗ available to move

21:48 ↗ easy to purchase materials

21:52 ↗ all of the sites we're looking at have

21:54 ↗ available parking

21:55 ↗ and accessible routes to get people to

21:58 ↗ the areas all of the sites would include

22:01 ↗ dog dog bags weigh stations

22:05 ↗ trash cans and recycle as well as

22:07 ↗ signage

22:08 ↗ you know what side are they at um

22:12 ↗ information about registering your pets

22:16 ↗ and other things about you know social

22:18 ↗ distancing during this time

22:20 ↗ so on and so forth

22:23 ↗ initially what some of the sites would

22:25 ↗ not have is water you know there's been

22:27 ↗ some controversy about water with covet

22:29 ↗ a lot of drinking fountains are still

22:31 ↗ closed

22:32 ↗ because of that some of these sites do

22:34 ↗ not have water

22:35 ↗ readily available and also

22:38 ↗ where water is available sometimes

22:40 ↗ depending upon the time of year

22:44 ↗ the site may be winterized and the water

22:46 ↗ may not be accessible

22:48 ↗ so that's something we'll have to look

22:49 ↗ further into

22:51 ↗ because of some of these sites and the

22:53 ↗ size they're likely not going to be

22:55 ↗ a small dog area just to provide the

22:58 ↗ maximum amount of free range space

23:00 ↗ for pets to be able to use and initially

23:03 ↗ to keep our budget low we were not

23:05 ↗ looking at benches but

23:06 ↗ having heard public comment i think that

23:09 ↗ is something we are

23:10 ↗ definitely going to get back into

23:15 ↗ and consider adding to the dog park

23:18 ↗ sites

23:20 ↗ so our first year of proposed tour is

23:22 ↗ looking at four different sites we're

23:24 ↗ looking at tibbetts valley park

23:26 ↗ field four pick ring barn a portion of

23:29 ↗ the field

23:31 ↗ squawk valley park south one of the

23:33 ↗ fields there as well

23:35 ↗ and also by the issaquah community

23:37 ↗ center

23:38 ↗ the old site of the skate park

23:41 ↗ these sites the rotation of these sites

23:43 ↗ has not yet been determined we're going

23:45 ↗ to work with our park

23:46 ↗ operations staff to see which sites can

23:49 ↗ handle

23:50 ↗ the wear and tear seasonally knowing

23:53 ↗ some of these sites tend to be a little

23:54 ↗ wetter than

23:55 ↗ others so we'll have to determine the

23:59 ↗ rotation yet

24:00 ↗ and there's likely two to three

24:03 ↗ three week transition transition period

24:05 ↗ between sites

24:07 ↗ for take down set up um and so forth

24:11 ↗ so the four sites that we're taking a

24:13 ↗ look at right now are tibbetts valley

24:15 ↗ park

24:16 ↗ this is field four this is approximately

24:18 ↗ a three quarter acre site

24:20 ↗ um somewhat adjacent to the future dog

24:23 ↗ park site

24:25 ↗ this is accessible by

24:29 ↗ pathways there and somewhat of a

24:31 ↗ hardened area

24:34 ↗ pickering barn field this is somewhat of

24:36 ↗ an odd

24:37 ↗ shape but this too is three quarters of

24:40 ↗ an acre

24:40 ↗ the shape is due to maintain the budget

24:43 ↗ or the

24:44 ↗ buffer setback for issaquah creek

24:47 ↗ so to stay out of that it has a unique

24:51 ↗ shape

24:53 ↗ squawk valley park south we'd be looking

24:55 ↗ at using the smaller field right off the

24:58 ↗ parking lot area there and this is one

25:01 ↗ site that does not have water available

25:05 ↗ and the community center is

25:07 ↗ approximately half an acre

25:08 ↗ site right off the parking lot the

25:11 ↗ entrance to the community center is up

25:13 ↗ here to the top

25:15 ↗ but the rainier trail continues right

25:18 ↗ down the side of this and the trail that

25:19 ↗ goes up to the high school

25:21 ↗ cuts just to the south of this site

25:27 ↗ the estimated costs for this project are

25:29 ↗ looking to be around

25:30 ↗ eighteen thousand dollars or less for

25:33 ↗ the capital costs that we would be using

25:35 ↗ the available

25:37 ↗ dog park budget to purchase materials

25:41 ↗ however there's also going to be some

25:42 ↗ operational costs with this

25:44 ↗ with daily site visits to secure the

25:46 ↗ fencing as well as waste removal

25:49 ↗ and also um we've got time

25:52 ↗ and perhaps money for relocation set up

25:54 ↗ and take down

25:57 ↗ also each site knowing how dogs are and

26:01 ↗ they do have wear and tear

26:02 ↗ all of the sites are grassed areas with

26:06 ↗ established grass lawn

26:08 ↗ so they would need to be re

26:10 ↗ rehabilitated afterwards

26:15 ↗ some of the public feedback we've

26:17 ↗ received

26:18 ↗ after our september 17th public meeting

26:22 ↗ as well as the emails received sent to

26:24 ↗ you earlier today

26:26 ↗ is we have strong support for doing a

26:29 ↗ temporary pop-up dog park

26:31 ↗ options provided provided the permanent

26:35 ↗ dog park

26:35 ↗ is still pursued that was one thing we

26:38 ↗ heard very clearly that

26:39 ↗ yes getting something out there in the

26:43 ↗ system for people to use

26:44 ↗ is really important however they really

26:46 ↗ see the

26:47 ↗ benefit of maintaining and developing a

26:50 ↗ long-term

26:51 ↗ permanent dog park at tibbetts valley

26:53 ↗ park

26:54 ↗ their support for using limited capital

26:56 ↗ funds and using operating funds

26:59 ↗ there's also strong support for an

27:02 ↗ interest in fundraising for

27:03 ↗ construction of the permanent dog park

27:05 ↗ that was one thing we heard very loudly

27:08 ↗ during the public meeting on the 17th

27:12 ↗ also one thing we also heard was the

27:14 ↗ importance of messaging

27:15 ↗ the site and making sure people really

27:17 ↗ know when

27:19 ↗ what sites where and when it's going to

27:20 ↗ be at the next location and also

27:22 ↗ communicating that transition period so

27:25 ↗ people are very aware

27:26 ↗ of what this is there would have to be a

27:28 ↗ strong messaging campaign that went

27:30 ↗ along

27:31 ↗ with this dog park tour some of the

27:34 ↗ questions that came up during the public

27:35 ↗ meeting

27:37 ↗ were also can we use all of tibbetts

27:39 ↗ valley field four

27:41 ↗ and again because of some of the

27:42 ↗ critical areas and buffers

27:44 ↗ and wetland areas down there we cannot

27:48 ↗ can we have at least one to two benches

27:50 ↗ for seating i think that's definitely

27:52 ↗ something we can certainly take a look

27:54 ↗ at

27:56 ↗ we were asked can we use the proposed

27:57 ↗ tibets valley park site as a temporary

28:00 ↗ dog park location um as mentioned all of

28:03 ↗ the sites we have selected for temporary

28:05 ↗ use are all established

28:07 ↗ grass there is some cleanup work

28:10 ↗ a lot of blackberries that still need to

28:12 ↗ be eradicated

28:14 ↗ and we do not have accessible routes yet

28:16 ↗ to the tibbetts valley park site so that

28:18 ↗ would be a challenge for us to use that

28:21 ↗ one other thing we heard was is it

28:23 ↗ possible to install the next

28:26 ↗ temporary site before transitioning to

28:29 ↗ the next site

28:30 ↗ and that's certainly something we're

28:32 ↗ open to considering

28:33 ↗ it would create

28:36 ↗ an additional cost to have to purchase

28:38 ↗ extra material but that is something

28:40 ↗ we're

28:40 ↗ definitely open to considering

28:46 ↗ jeff did you want to take these

28:48 ↗ questions

28:50 ↗ or did you want me to continue um

28:53 ↗ sure jen i i can i can okay

28:56 ↗ no that's great well done um

29:00 ↗ yeah so i i guess just teeing up um

29:03 ↗ discussion any questions you all have um

29:06 ↗ and brad thank you like you

29:08 ↗ differentiated this as well in your

29:09 ↗ introduction

29:11 ↗ um the really the discussion tonight the

29:14 ↗ focus tonight

29:15 ↗ is on the element of what do we do in

29:18 ↗ the interim

29:18 ↗ right with this temporary dog park do we

29:22 ↗ consider this idea

29:25 ↗ in this concept um knowing

29:28 ↗ um obviously we have um

29:31 ↗ need interest desire and continuing to

29:34 ↗ pursue

29:35 ↗ uh the permanent dog park as as jennifer

29:38 ↗ said

29:39 ↗ and i i think as you've read some of the

29:41 ↗ public comment as you've heard some of

29:43 ↗ the public comment

29:44 ↗ um these are not um

29:48 ↗ one or the other it this idea of a

29:50 ↗ temporary dog park is not

29:51 ↗ intended to replace or take away

29:55 ↗ the need for a permanent dog park it's

29:57 ↗ just a way of

29:58 ↗ trying to mitigate this near-term need

30:03 ↗ an idea to consider in terms of pursuing

30:06 ↗ the permanent dog park is um

30:10 ↗ as we if we continue with the master

30:13 ↗ planning process that's underway for the

30:15 ↗ full site

30:17 ↗ um one thing we would want to consider

30:19 ↗ doing is

30:20 ↗ incorporating the the dog park

30:24 ↗ for consideration into that master plan

30:27 ↗ for the the entire site

30:28 ↗ and what that would allow is opportunity

30:31 ↗ for further

30:32 ↗ public public engagement and public uh

30:34 ↗ feedback in terms of incorporating how

30:36 ↗ that

30:37 ↗ dog park incorporates into the master

30:39 ↗ plan so rather than

30:41 ↗ having to amend um a 20 plus year old

30:45 ↗ master plan that element that amenity

30:48 ↗ the dog park would be

30:50 ↗ thought of considered and incorporated

30:52 ↗ into the to the

30:54 ↗ current master plan process that's going

30:56 ↗ on but back

30:58 ↗ i think to you for discussion brad and

31:01 ↗ again focus on thoughts

31:05 ↗ around this temporary temporary

31:08 ↗ option i see

31:11 ↗ carl has a question i have some

31:13 ↗ questions

31:14 ↗ okay if you all just want to in the chat

31:17 ↗ box

31:18 ↗ just right question we'll call on you in

31:19 ↗ order um

31:21 ↗ but being there's only four of us so i

31:22 ↗ think we could probably manage this

31:25 ↗ if you just want to raise your little

31:26 ↗ hand too we can call on you

31:28 ↗ so carl

31:32 ↗ maybe you want to stop sharing and we

31:33 ↗ can go back to

31:37 ↗ great thanks a larger view of our

31:41 ↗ videos oh yeah what i

31:44 ↗ wanted to bring up was just uh what one

31:46 ↗ concern that i have

31:48 ↗ and during the um discussions for the

31:51 ↗ permanent

31:52 ↗ the one thing that we wanted to stay

31:54 ↗ away from was having a natural grass

31:56 ↗ because and i brought it up as a way to

31:58 ↗ save money i brought it up as a safety

32:01 ↗ thing for dogs because you know

32:02 ↗ uh wood chips can be hard to underpause

32:06 ↗ and i got you know i got shot down to

32:08 ↗ shut down for that because it's going to

32:09 ↗ get tore up it's going to get muddy it's

32:11 ↗ going to be a mess

32:13 ↗ well this temporary things as you've

32:14 ↗ already stated it's going to be on

32:17 ↗ already existing park property

32:20 ↗ which is going to be natural grass

32:23 ↗ we are falling started last week we're

32:26 ↗ into the rainy season

32:28 ↗ easily we could have seven days in a row

32:30 ↗ of constant rain

32:32 ↗ um i i see this as uh

32:35 ↗ a place going if it starts getting torn

32:37 ↗ up by the dogs

32:39 ↗ there's no amenities so there's no

32:41 ↗ washing for the dogs there's no cleanup

32:43 ↗ for their

32:43 ↗ for people's dogs so the place after one

32:46 ↗ week of dogs running around turns into a

32:48 ↗ big mess

32:49 ↗ who wants to go there and then have

32:51 ↗ their dog jump into the car all dirty

32:53 ↗ run home and run as a house on nice

32:55 ↗ white carpet i mean

32:57 ↗ we don't have the amenities to support

33:00 ↗ cleaning up

33:01 ↗ the dogs after they've been running in a

33:03 ↗ messy area

33:05 ↗ chances of this grass getting messed up

33:07 ↗ will will depend on

33:08 ↗ how many people come how many dogs come

33:11 ↗ um

33:12 ↗ so it's hard to tell but it's it's from

33:14 ↗ what you guys are doing

33:15 ↗ research for the permanent one you know

33:17 ↗ for this area and this uh

33:19 ↗ precipitation that we have like natural

33:21 ↗ grass isn't good

33:22 ↗ so i kind of look at us moving the way i

33:24 ↗ look at it as a big picture is that

33:25 ↗ we're

33:26 ↗ we're going to go from four different

33:28 ↗ parks

33:29 ↗ tear up three quarters of an acre of

33:31 ↗ grass

33:33 ↗ and ruin it and then you're going to

33:35 ↗ have to

33:36 ↗ go back in and fix it up is the eighteen

33:39 ↗ thousand dollars you got proposed

33:41 ↗ that including you know costs to

33:43 ↗ replenish this grass that's gonna get

33:45 ↗ torn up

33:46 ↗ which may not i mean if nobody shows up

33:48 ↗ the dogs and what guitar

33:50 ↗ we might have a lot of dogs and it gets

33:52 ↗ tore up within a week and

33:54 ↗ no one else is going to come because it

33:55 ↗ can be like oh yeah you know i mean

33:58 ↗ i'm just seeing what variables could

34:00 ↗ happen here

34:01 ↗ and the chances are with what we're

34:03 ↗ leading into

34:05 ↗ this time of the year this is probably

34:07 ↗ not the best time of year to

34:10 ↗ start implementing some kind of

34:12 ↗ rotational thing on natural grass

34:14 ↗ maybe spring when the weather is better

34:17 ↗ but you know we're going into the

34:18 ↗ raiding season

34:19 ↗ and the chances are all you're going to

34:20 ↗ do is end up with a big

34:22 ↗ mud pool and people being frustrated

34:24 ↗ because their dogs are dirty

34:26 ↗ again no amenities so there's no

34:29 ↗ cleaning station for the dogs

34:31 ↗ i if i had a dog i i wouldn't want to

34:34 ↗ take him there if i couldn't clean him

34:35 ↗ up

34:36 ↗ you know i i don't know i mean and maybe

34:39 ↗ the grass is tough

34:40 ↗ and it won't get tore up but we won't

34:42 ↗ know until after the fact

34:44 ↗ and as you stated some areas are likely

34:47 ↗ to take on wetness more than others

34:49 ↗ so there probably won't be a consistency

34:51 ↗ to really compare either

34:53 ↗ so that's that that's my main concern is

34:55 ↗ that there's no amenities to help with

34:58 ↗ you know keeping the dogs clean which is

35:02 ↗ inevitably going to occur because you're

35:04 ↗ on natural grass and it's going to get

35:06 ↗ messy

35:09 ↗ thank you carl for that a lot of good

35:12 ↗ points um

35:13 ↗ a couple of which i'd like to ask a

35:15 ↗ question to

35:16 ↗ jennifer jennifer i know you've had some

35:19 ↗ i think you've had some discussions with

35:21 ↗ bothell parks because they've done

35:24 ↗ some of this have you questioned

35:28 ↗ them about some of the concerns that

35:30 ↗ carl has

35:32 ↗ about not having amenities

35:36 ↗ creating a mess ripping up the grass

35:39 ↗ which bothell having to say about that

35:44 ↗ thanks brad um when i spoke with bothell

35:47 ↗ they

35:48 ↗ really did not have much of an issue

35:52 ↗ whether it was with transitioning the

35:54 ↗ site they've used two different

35:56 ↗ locations

35:57 ↗ one actually near city hall that was

35:59 ↗ adjacent to more

36:01 ↗ improved landscaping versus another area

36:03 ↗ that's more of a

36:04 ↗ dead space in between two highways

36:07 ↗ and in some of the pictures they sent

36:10 ↗ they're all grass

36:12 ↗ most of the wear and tear is more in the

36:15 ↗ like front third

36:16 ↗ of the dog park and less so much out in

36:18 ↗ the

36:19 ↗ further two-thirds of the dog park

36:22 ↗ because that's when you think about dogs

36:24 ↗ congregating and meeting up with people

36:26 ↗ that's typically where most of that

36:28 ↗ happens and not so much

36:29 ↗ further out but they've had no problems

36:32 ↗ with being able to rehabilitate

36:34 ↗ they've they do not have paw wash

36:36 ↗ stations they do not have water

36:38 ↗ initially when they started their first

36:41 ↗ location they did provide water and they

36:43 ↗ had a hose that stretched across things

36:45 ↗ and they had so many

36:47 ↗ technical issues and management issues

36:50 ↗ with having a hose

36:51 ↗ out there that they've decided that

36:53 ↗ they're not going to be

36:55 ↗ sharing a hoax going forward even after

36:57 ↗ covid so they took it away because of

36:59 ↗ kovid

37:00 ↗ and even going forward they're no longer

37:02 ↗ they're considering no longer

37:04 ↗ having one jeff did you want

37:08 ↗ to but they haven't had any problems

37:09 ↗ with rehabilitating the sites either

37:12 ↗ after um dog park use

37:16 ↗ jeff brandt can i jump in sure

37:19 ↗ oh that's great no just to echo from

37:23 ↗ some of what jen said in terms of uh

37:25 ↗ what what we've learned from bothell

37:27 ↗ and i think more specifically to address

37:29 ↗ your your questions carl

37:31 ↗ um i agree i mean there's there are some

37:34 ↗ unknowns

37:35 ↗ as we would as we would pilot this and

37:38 ↗ and need to learn

37:39 ↗ um um in this first year uh what sites

37:43 ↗ are working what sites aren't working

37:44 ↗ how long is too long i think your your

37:47 ↗ comment

37:48 ↗ um and sort of this irony of um

37:52 ↗ boy it's tough to keep direct grass in a

37:54 ↗ permanent dog park

37:56 ↗ right now how do we as we

38:00 ↗ locate a temporary pop-up dog park how

38:02 ↗ do we utilize grass as a ready

38:05 ↗ amenity but not use it so long

38:08 ↗ that we completely

38:11 ↗ trash it i think another question you

38:14 ↗ had in terms of rehab

38:16 ↗ so um as we've been talking with

38:19 ↗ administration about this option

38:21 ↗ um and and as you sort of saw in the in

38:24 ↗ the powerpoint

38:26 ↗ um capital costs will be relatively low

38:28 ↗ but we're going to have some operational

38:30 ↗ costs

38:30 ↗ um to to this model and this pilot and

38:34 ↗ some of those operational costs

38:36 ↗ do involve um rehab uh we know

38:39 ↗ once once a site is done um

38:43 ↗ after a couple months of this there will

38:45 ↗ be some

38:46 ↗ degree of of turf renovation that's

38:49 ↗ going to need to be done

38:50 ↗ maybe it's simply aerating and throwing

38:52 ↗ down some seed maybe it's something a

38:54 ↗ little bit more than that

38:56 ↗ but we would want to make sure within

38:58 ↗ our operating budget we

39:00 ↗ understand that would need that would

39:03 ↗ need to happen

39:04 ↗ and again we would go into this first

39:06 ↗ year

39:09 ↗ needing to learn um

39:13 ↗ from from that from the experience

39:23 ↗ i see you

39:27 ↗ go ahead jonathan yeah

39:31 ↗ unmute jonathan

39:35 ↗ there you go yep thanks um are there any

39:38 ↗ plans for any type of environmental

39:41 ↗ monitoring given the proximity to

39:44 ↗ buffers at

39:44 ↗ tibbetts and pickering some of those

39:47 ↗ places are obviously kind of close to

39:48 ↗ water we're headed into the rainy season

39:50 ↗ just interested if there's anything that

39:51 ↗ we

39:52 ↗ have to do there from a requirement

39:54 ↗ standpoint

39:56 ↗ uh again we would stay out of not only

39:59 ↗ the sensitive area jonathan but the

40:01 ↗ buffer

40:02 ↗ in its entirety um so we

40:05 ↗ we would not need um

40:08 ↗ uh we there would there wouldn't be a

40:10 ↗ requirement per se

40:12 ↗ i i think certainly if we saw use of a

40:15 ↗ pop-up like this so high and so strong

40:17 ↗ that it was having an

40:18 ↗ impact on uh the area um or some type of

40:22 ↗ encroachment

40:23 ↗ into that buffer we would we would need

40:25 ↗ to address that but

40:26 ↗ the intent of this pilot the intent of

40:28 ↗ this is to stay

40:31 ↗ entirely out of the buffer as well as

40:33 ↗ the sensitive area

40:36 ↗ and you know what i mean when i'm saying

40:37 ↗ that right so you might have a creek

40:39 ↗ the creek is the sensitive area um

40:42 ↗ tibbetts creek for example has

40:44 ↗ a 200 plus buffer right so we would not

40:47 ↗ only stay away from the creek but we

40:48 ↗ would

40:49 ↗ um in this model stay away from the

40:51 ↗ buffer itself as well

40:54 ↗ all right thank you i see jeremy's with

40:58 ↗ us here now too hi jeremy thanks for

41:00 ↗ joining us

41:02 ↗ and uh danielle you have some questions

41:05 ↗ danielle yeah um

41:08 ↗ well first i i love the idea of um

41:12 ↗ providing this amenity especially as

41:14 ↗ people

41:15 ↗ you know are are trying to find out

41:18 ↗ outdoor thing to do like that i

41:21 ↗ definitely would do whatever you could

41:24 ↗ to

41:25 ↗ um and including if it involves

41:28 ↗ investing in more fencing to not have a

41:30 ↗ downtime

41:32 ↗ between you know so you could say

41:34 ↗ january february we're going to be at

41:36 ↗ this spot and then

41:37 ↗ you know march and april will be here so

41:40 ↗ you know like as a

41:42 ↗ as a person who will would inevitably

41:45 ↗ you know

41:45 ↗ show up on the day after a site closed

41:48 ↗ right like that that will lead i think

41:50 ↗ to a lot of

41:51 ↗ complaints and questions and whatnot

41:53 ↗ that you could

41:54 ↗ it's not as big of a deal if there's a

41:56 ↗ sign that just directs you

41:58 ↗ you know to go a couple miles across

42:00 ↗ town

42:01 ↗ i have um my my big concern and this is

42:05 ↗ coming off of what carl said um

42:07 ↗ is that two of the locations or like at

42:10 ↗ least tibbetts are

42:11 ↗ is a current athletic field i'm assuming

42:13 ↗ the squawk view one is as well

42:16 ↗ um and you know i

42:21 ↗ you know youth athletics um

42:24 ↗ is in a really like a really bad place

42:27 ↗ right now

42:28 ↗ but people parents and i'm speaking of a

42:31 ↗ parent of

42:32 ↗ kids who um do sports like parents are

42:36 ↗ um very concerned about the

42:39 ↗ impact of um just a mental health impact

42:43 ↗ really of kids not being able to

42:46 ↗ recreate

42:46 ↗ and like do the sports that they

42:48 ↗ normally do and see people and

42:50 ↗ i think that there's going to be a real

42:52 ↗ push to um you know like as soon as

42:56 ↗ as that can get started again um

42:59 ↗ and i think there will also be a push to

43:01 ↗ still have people kind of distanced and

43:04 ↗ spread out

43:05 ↗ and so field four at tibbetts i know

43:08 ↗ that is not a field that has been

43:10 ↗ it's kind of like the worst of the

43:11 ↗ fields as far as in my experience at

43:13 ↗ tibbetts

43:14 ↗ but it's still a field um and it still

43:17 ↗ you know has been used for rentals um

43:20 ↗ i'm not sure what all

43:21 ↗ is used at um at the squawk

43:25 ↗ um view location um

43:28 ↗ but my my my gut instinct is that

43:31 ↗ there will be a need to maybe have more

43:34 ↗ fields

43:34 ↗ rented and so i have a really big

43:38 ↗ concern

43:38 ↗ with um with

43:43 ↗ you know i the fields aren't rented in

43:45 ↗ the middle of the winter

43:46 ↗ but that's when they're going to get

43:48 ↗ torn up by dogs you know

43:50 ↗ and um that in tibbetts we've struggled

43:53 ↗ with the

43:54 ↗ the drainage there um it's not a

43:57 ↗ doesn't drain and so i i have a real

43:59 ↗ concern with like

44:00 ↗ moving forward on athletic fields

44:03 ↗ and what are the consequences going to

44:04 ↗ be and if we're in a rotation are we

44:08 ↗ going to pull those athletic fields out

44:09 ↗ of the rotation

44:11 ↗ um in the spring and summer and fall

44:13 ↗ when when

44:15 ↗ athletic teams want to use them so if

44:17 ↗ you could speak to that and also

44:18 ↗ i'm really curious how you came up with

44:20 ↗ those locations

44:22 ↗ and maybe like why not confluence which

44:25 ↗ is a

44:25 ↗ really large grassy area um

44:30 ↗ maybe you know why not parts of veterans

44:34 ↗ you know why why two athletic fields

44:38 ↗ thanks you bet

44:41 ↗ uh great questions yeah i i think um

44:44 ↗ existing fencing was one um i don't know

44:47 ↗ that these four sites

44:49 ↗ danielle to your question are the answer

44:52 ↗ or or where we're going to land um

44:56 ↗ with this pilot i i think you're

44:58 ↗ absolutely right field four

45:00 ↗ as we look at um historical use

45:04 ↗ um is is the least used

45:07 ↗ um i think to your point of seasonality

45:10 ↗ um

45:11 ↗ is another key variable that we're

45:13 ↗ looking at

45:15 ↗ as we think and plan this rotation we

45:17 ↗ would look at

45:18 ↗ what are the existing scheduled uses of

45:21 ↗ that park and how do we

45:23 ↗ sort of fit the rotation to to balance

45:26 ↗ and not um

45:31 ↗ not move out a historical use right so

45:34 ↗ um you know field four would not be

45:37 ↗ something we would look at doing in the

45:39 ↗ spring or summer

45:40 ↗ uh right and so um um

45:45 ↗ how we sort of incorporate this

45:50 ↗ temporary um um

45:53 ↗ i've used sort of the circus and or

45:55 ↗ concert tour

45:57 ↗ approach um in fact one of the one of

46:00 ↗ the

46:00 ↗ folks on public comment offered to

46:02 ↗ design concert t-shirts um as a

46:04 ↗ fundraiser

46:05 ↗ um we need to be careful um and and so

46:09 ↗ i you're right i i think youth sports um

46:12 ↗ you know we've begun renting um our

46:14 ↗ athletic fields

46:15 ↗ um with covet protocols um they've been

46:19 ↗ heavily used already

46:20 ↗ there is a pent-up need you're

46:22 ↗ absolutely right

46:24 ↗ both i see that in my job in my day job

46:26 ↗ but also as a parent

46:28 ↗ as well with a daughter who is in

46:31 ↗ sports and gets great value from that so

46:34 ↗ um yeah it's not something we'd want to

46:36 ↗ take away squawk valley park i think you

46:38 ↗ asked the question

46:39 ↗ uh this would be the southernmost field

46:43 ↗ is what is proposed and it's really a

46:45 ↗ mod

46:46 ↗ size field that gets um

46:50 ↗ no really almost no scheduling no rental

46:54 ↗ um use so again not something we want to

46:57 ↗ take away or or

46:59 ↗ create a full year use there but to find

47:03 ↗ a couple months it would not

47:07 ↗ take the place of um a historical use

47:13 ↗ does that answer some of your questions

47:17 ↗ yeah and i guess i just am still

47:21 ↗ you know you think like how how bad are

47:24 ↗ those fields gonna be

47:25 ↗ and what's it gonna cost to you know to

47:28 ↗ put them back together

47:30 ↗ and and a field that's used for

47:32 ↗ athletics

47:34 ↗ um you know it's it's problematic if

47:37 ↗ it's

47:37 ↗ if it's not even or you know like if

47:40 ↗ it's really lumpy

47:42 ↗ um if you have a bunch of big dead spots

47:44 ↗ um

47:46 ↗ you know so because it's just not safe

47:48 ↗ right like that's different than a

47:50 ↗ than a grassy open area that's used for

47:53 ↗ just

47:53 ↗ you know you know picnicking or

47:55 ↗ strolling

47:56 ↗ and whatnot so i um

48:00 ↗ i'm concerned about that and then when i

48:02 ↗ look at the proposals then i think okay

48:04 ↗ well

48:05 ↗ if you're gonna not have um

48:08 ↗ if you're gonna rotate them then that

48:10 ↗ means that like the

48:11 ↗ tibbetts wouldn't be used in the spring

48:13 ↗ and summer so then you go to the

48:15 ↗ pickering site

48:16 ↗ and then you know then you're dealing

48:19 ↗ with um

48:20 ↗ you know the farmer's market and

48:22 ↗ competing really with parking with that

48:25 ↗ so i just really think that that

48:28 ↗ schedule

48:30 ↗ you know could be pretty challenging

48:34 ↗ and i'm not trying to be a naysayer i

48:35 ↗ like the idea but i just you know

48:38 ↗ i i'm not saying you as a nation welcome

48:41 ↗ you're

48:41 ↗ you're exactly right i can't i can't say

48:44 ↗ no

48:44 ↗ you're absolutely right there are some

48:47 ↗ real important factors in how we

48:49 ↗ schedule this

48:50 ↗ um and you're right you know in talking

48:53 ↗ with um

48:54 ↗ um jarrah and our pickering barn folks

48:57 ↗ as we've

48:57 ↗ as we've modeled this um and and still

49:00 ↗ need to

49:00 ↗ sort of zero in on a schedule if if

49:02 ↗ we're pursuing this

49:04 ↗ you're right making sure we're not

49:05 ↗ impacting farmers market

49:07 ↗ or our our high rental

49:10 ↗ season at the barn right so each of

49:13 ↗ these sites has

49:15 ↗ existing program that we would need to

49:18 ↗ and want to

49:19 ↗ work around and so and you're right

49:22 ↗ whether it

49:23 ↗ is an athletic field or a general lawn

49:25 ↗ area

49:26 ↗ there will be a need for some rehab

49:29 ↗ restoration work i

49:30 ↗ i i'd be foolish to try and predict

49:32 ↗ here's the exact amount it's going to be

49:34 ↗ and here's exactly what it's going to be

49:36 ↗ but

49:36 ↗ other than there's going to need to be a

49:38 ↗ commitment to

49:40 ↗ to follow up with with restoring this

49:43 ↗ and again if we pursue this that

49:45 ↗ this first year was is going to be

49:46 ↗ really important to

49:49 ↗ sort of ask that dr phil question right

49:51 ↗ how's this working for us

49:52 ↗ and what what do we either

49:56 ↗ modify if we're doing this a second year

49:58 ↗ or or right how do we

49:59 ↗ how do we learn from this so it really

50:02 ↗ is a pilot

50:07 ↗ any follow-up danielle or is that good

50:09 ↗ for now

50:13 ↗ no i don't have any follow-up

50:17 ↗ so i don't see any other questions or

50:19 ↗ comments in chat

50:20 ↗ um go ahead jeremy

50:25 ↗ sorry i'm late um we had some technical

50:27 ↗ difficulties and i had to get the

50:29 ↗ kids to figure this computer out but um

50:32 ↗ has anybody thought about pad one up in

50:35 ↗ the highlands

50:36 ↗ that was going to be one of my questions

50:38 ↗ as well as to whether that might be an

50:40 ↗ option

50:41 ↗ so it doesn't seem like we're going to

50:42 ↗ use that for a while well

50:44 ↗ it may not have the same kind of uh web

50:47 ↗ issues that some of these fields might

50:50 ↗ as well i although that it's so rocky i

50:52 ↗ don't know whether or not that's usable

50:54 ↗ without having it be worked on

50:57 ↗ what's your thought on that jeff or jen

51:01 ↗ yeah it's not it's not a finished

51:05 ↗ site by any means so i think we need to

51:07 ↗ look at and make sure

51:09 ↗ again as we work this permit with the

51:12 ↗ planning folks

51:14 ↗ access right we don't necessarily have

51:16 ↗ ready

51:17 ↗ ada access so even as we present this as

51:20 ↗ temporary we need to there's certain

51:22 ↗ things we need to abide by um

51:27 ↗ that site might be a little tougher

51:29 ↗ without again

51:30 ↗ more investment and is that the

51:33 ↗ investment we want to make for

51:36 ↗ sort of this temp pop-up

51:39 ↗ approach

51:43 ↗ oh i just wanted to add to that thank

51:45 ↗ you brad

51:46 ↗ is that site is actually still very

51:49 ↗ close to the existing dog park up in the

51:52 ↗ issaquah highlands

51:53 ↗ literally you could walk down the bpa

51:56 ↗ trail

51:56 ↗ and you're within a half a mile of

52:00 ↗ the other dog park so um trying to find

52:03 ↗ a location

52:04 ↗ elsewhere within the city to make it

52:06 ↗ easier for people to access

52:08 ↗ you know is is also a consideration

52:11 ↗ yeah we can take a look at it though we

52:13 ↗ can we pose that question to the

52:15 ↗ to the planning folks

52:18 ↗ so i have a couple issues i wanted to

52:21 ↗ talk about so i think it was connie had

52:25 ↗ mentioned that the community center

52:27 ↗ site may actually have some sensitive

52:30 ↗ area

52:31 ↗ attached to it has that been explored

52:34 ↗ and

52:35 ↗ is there anything there that would not

52:37 ↗ make that an option

52:39 ↗ it has been explored so if you're

52:41 ↗ familiar with the old skate park site

52:43 ↗ there's the rainier trail

52:46 ↗ just sort of serves as the western

52:49 ↗ would be the western boundary of the of

52:51 ↗ and then there's a

52:52 ↗ ditch slash sensitive area wetland

52:56 ↗ we did we had a watershed company who's

52:59 ↗ a consultant

53:01 ↗ firm go out and do a sensitive area

53:04 ↗ appraisal and delineation

53:08 ↗ we would be we would have ample room to

53:11 ↗ be outside of not only the sensitive

53:13 ↗ area but also the buffer

53:15 ↗ in terms of this pop-up temporary

53:18 ↗ location okay uh this is a question for

53:22 ↗ you jeff you mentioned

53:24 ↗ about permitting um and

53:28 ↗ and that it's kind of came to light um

53:31 ↗ that the dog park at tibbetts would need

53:34 ↗ to

53:34 ↗ be kind of uh wrapped into

53:38 ↗ a master plan um we didn't have to go

53:41 ↗ through that

53:42 ↗ with the skate park i don't think did we

53:44 ↗ is there something as to the dog park

53:46 ↗ that that props this new thing

53:50 ↗ um no i wasn't around for permitting at

53:53 ↗ a skate park

53:56 ↗ but there is um

54:00 ↗ planning is let us know there's language

54:01 ↗ in the code that

54:04 ↗ this change and interpreted the skate

54:07 ↗ park

54:08 ↗ would have required a master plan

54:10 ↗ amendment as well

54:12 ↗ um but given what was planned in the

54:14 ↗ 1998 master plan were tennis courts up

54:17 ↗ in that area

54:19 ↗ by putting an off-leash area that

54:21 ↗ represents enough of a change that they

54:22 ↗ would want us to

54:24 ↗ amend the master plan so with that

54:26 ↗ there's a

54:27 ↗ um a relatively sizable

54:32 ↗ fee somewhere probably in the 15 to 20

54:34 ↗ thousand dollar range

54:37 ↗ and a pretty significant amount of time

54:40 ↗ to make that

54:41 ↗ um amendment um

54:44 ↗ so okay and to follow up on the skate

54:48 ↗ park just for clarification

54:50 ↗ we did do a level two um process for

54:53 ↗ that

54:54 ↗ um however we did not do a master plan

54:57 ↗ update

54:57 ↗ as for the skate park just for

55:00 ↗ clarification

55:01 ↗ a level two is that an amendment that

55:03 ↗ was done or

55:04 ↗ just a permitting step it's the it's the

55:06 ↗ site

55:07 ↗ permit so um that was the new news was

55:11 ↗ along with the level two for the dog

55:13 ↗ park um the need for doing a master plan

55:15 ↗ amendment was

55:17 ↗ um provided to us earlier this year

55:20 ↗ um okay so

55:23 ↗ the capital cost of 18 000 just to

55:26 ↗ clarify that's primarily

55:27 ↗ all fencing right or is there anything

55:29 ↗ else included within that cost item

55:37 ↗ yeah sorry um fencing

55:40 ↗ waste containers um some signage

55:43 ↗ things like that um but just to note

55:46 ↗ that 18 000 was somewhat generated

55:48 ↗ before

55:50 ↗ only considering doing one site at a

55:52 ↗ time it could

55:53 ↗ increase costs if we were to buy fencing

55:55 ↗ for two sites

55:57 ↗ um so we didn't so we were able to

55:59 ↗ leapfrog them rather than have it a dead

56:02 ↗ time

56:02 ↗ so that cost may increase but not

56:04 ↗ significantly the materials are rather

56:07 ↗ cheap so overall speaking

56:10 ↗ so to set up two sites so you wouldn't

56:12 ↗ have the interim interruption

56:14 ↗ that would not double the cost not fully

56:17 ↗ no

56:18 ↗ no okay

56:22 ↗ and what is expected to be done with

56:24 ↗ this fencing after

56:26 ↗ the permanent park is put in place this

56:29 ↗ would this be

56:30 ↗ sold would be used somewhere else by the

56:32 ↗ city or is it just

56:35 ↗ junk at that point i mean what's the

56:37 ↗ intention of that

56:38 ↗ you know fifteen thousand dollars worth

56:40 ↗ of fencing later on

56:43 ↗ well depending on how many cycles we the

56:46 ↗ the the circus moves right it's going to

56:48 ↗ live

56:48 ↗ it's going to live a pretty hearty life

56:50 ↗ i think we're going to get ample

56:52 ↗ um investment out of that should we

56:54 ↗ should we pursue this

56:56 ↗ um depending on its condition brad we we

56:59 ↗ would probably

57:00 ↗ save a good amount of it for um

57:03 ↗ who knows you know would we need it for

57:06 ↗ events or other sort of pop-up

57:08 ↗ opportunities

57:09 ↗ um given its um

57:13 ↗ configuration it's it's relatively it's

57:15 ↗ relatively versatile

57:17 ↗ so um depending on how long it's used

57:19 ↗ and what condition it is

57:21 ↗ we would probably keep some of it

57:25 ↗ thanks for that um is there any idea

57:28 ↗ what the cost of relocation is going to

57:30 ↗ be

57:35 ↗ the cost to set up and take down right

57:38 ↗ uh you know all the operating costs

57:42 ↗ you know just to maintain the park you

57:44 ↗ know that's going to be built into

57:46 ↗ any dog park that we do so that's not

57:48 ↗ really the issue as much as the

57:51 ↗ is the circus show really is really the

57:53 ↗ additional cost

57:54 ↗ and it should be nice to have some id

57:58 ↗ because you had mentioned that you may

58:00 ↗ use you may have to use an outside

58:01 ↗ vendor for that

58:03 ↗ that process and that could you know how

58:06 ↗ expensive is that going to get to do

58:09 ↗ every three or four months i mean is

58:11 ↗ that 5 000

58:13 ↗ or more or less or is there any idea on

58:16 ↗ that

58:16 ↗ good great question i think until we set

58:19 ↗ it up one time we won't necessarily know

58:22 ↗ i think once we get an idea of length of

58:24 ↗ time

58:25 ↗ as we've been brainstorming with the

58:27 ↗ park ops team

58:29 ↗ we would have them be very involved in

58:31 ↗ that first setup so that

58:32 ↗ if we do outsource it we do have some

58:35 ↗ resources

58:38 ↗ king county corrections teams are

58:41 ↗ are certainly an option as you schedule

58:43 ↗ so there's some relatively low cost ways

58:45 ↗ to

58:47 ↗ again depending on what that first

58:49 ↗ install looks like

58:51 ↗ to get some relatively inexpensive labor

58:54 ↗ so i'm not trying to dodge it other than

58:57 ↗ to say that that is

58:59 ↗ that would need to be determined but

59:02 ↗ yeah if we moved it say three or four

59:04 ↗ times a year

59:05 ↗ did the set up and take down um yeah we

59:08 ↗ would

59:08 ↗ probably be in the five to seven

59:10 ↗ thousand dollars

59:12 ↗ um range um um

59:15 ↗ in terms of an operational and opera uh

59:18 ↗ no it

59:19 ↗ could be total um

59:22 ↗ i wouldn't say that would be each time

59:24 ↗ it would not be

59:26 ↗ no it would not be that expensive each

59:27 ↗ time

59:31 ↗ that's just a component of it you know

59:34 ↗ it's really

59:35 ↗ it's really kind of throwing money away

59:37 ↗ to some extent you know that could be

59:39 ↗ utilized for you know the permanent park

59:42 ↗ if it were too expensive

59:44 ↗ that's the only reason

59:48 ↗ it's a good point brad i just sorry i i

59:50 ↗ would just clarify that

59:51 ↗ you know we operationalize a lot of

59:53 ↗ things in terms of

59:55 ↗ you know we operationalize supporting

59:58 ↗ tons of

59:58 ↗ of athletic tournaments and um

1:00:02 ↗ and other things and so as if this is a

1:00:05 ↗ program that we

1:00:06 ↗ partake and that gets um sort of

1:00:10 ↗ invested into our

1:00:11 ↗ maintenance and operational costs those

1:00:13 ↗ are not necessarily costs that if we

1:00:15 ↗ don't spend them

1:00:16 ↗ they they don't become capital

1:00:18 ↗ investments those are those are really

1:00:20 ↗ two

1:00:21 ↗ uh often two very different funding

1:00:23 ↗ sources

1:00:24 ↗ but very two very different budgets i

1:00:27 ↗ just wanted to

1:00:28 ↗ clarify that my last question would be

1:00:31 ↗ for

1:00:32 ↗ jan is there any intention of there

1:00:34 ↗ being like a

1:00:35 ↗ a separate fenced entry area

1:00:39 ↗ most dog parks have a little spot to

1:00:41 ↗ kind of

1:00:42 ↗ regroup before you go into the actual

1:00:44 ↗ opening is that going to happen

1:00:46 ↗ oh yes most definitely we're

1:00:49 ↗ considering a double gate system at the

1:00:51 ↗ entry

1:00:52 ↗ so just for that transition

1:00:56 ↗ to be able to leash up your dog calm

1:00:57 ↗ your dog down

1:00:59 ↗ let others come and go um we would

1:01:01 ↗ provide

1:01:02 ↗ ample space for that um so that you

1:01:05 ↗ it would be a two gate entry and

1:01:07 ↗ depending upon the site

1:01:08 ↗ and parking we still need to figure out

1:01:10 ↗ the access

1:01:12 ↗ logistics at a couple of these sites we

1:01:14 ↗ might even have

1:01:16 ↗ like it pickering per perhaps there

1:01:19 ↗ might be two different entrances one

1:01:21 ↗ closer to the parking

1:01:22 ↗ and one closer to the pickering trail

1:01:25 ↗ perhaps

1:01:26 ↗ if we were to do the full layout so

1:01:29 ↗ there's still a few little details we

1:01:31 ↗ need to work through

1:01:32 ↗ as far as access points at each site but

1:01:35 ↗ yes

1:01:35 ↗ double gated entries would be provided

1:01:38 ↗ okay

1:01:40 ↗ that's all my questions or comments um

1:01:43 ↗ anybody else have something danielle

1:01:45 ↗ looks like you got something more

1:01:47 ↗ yeah um with respect to the fencing what

1:01:50 ↗ color is it or what does it look like

1:01:52 ↗ do you guys have a sample of it

1:01:56 ↗ it's just a galvanized it's just just

1:01:59 ↗ a nice wire now

1:02:03 ↗ like kind of blend into the blend yeah

1:02:06 ↗ okay

1:02:07 ↗ it's not lime green well you know some

1:02:09 ↗ temporary fencing is like that

1:02:11 ↗ yeah orange construction type fencing

1:02:14 ↗ yeah

1:02:14 ↗ so we're going a different color okay

1:02:17 ↗ good

1:02:18 ↗ um and with respect to the

1:02:22 ↗ community center location are we talking

1:02:24 ↗ about the old skate park location

1:02:26 ↗ and so is that

1:02:30 ↗ what is the ground surface there because

1:02:33 ↗ that's

1:02:34 ↗ is that all grass now or

1:02:37 ↗ okay yep yes predominantly

1:02:40 ↗ yeah yeah the old skate park has been

1:02:42 ↗ removed and

1:02:43 ↗ um grassed over

1:02:47 ↗ yep and are there any other locations

1:02:51 ↗ that you guys

1:02:52 ↗ considered or i'm just still i'm

1:02:56 ↗ trying to get my head around the

1:02:57 ↗ athletic field part um i have a real

1:02:59 ↗ consternation

1:03:00 ↗ on that so um and tibbetts is the only

1:03:04 ↗ athletic field

1:03:05 ↗ that's of concern of the four right

1:03:08 ↗ well if if squawk um

1:03:13 ↗ valley park is an f that was developed

1:03:16 ↗ as a

1:03:17 ↗ athletic field i don't think it's used

1:03:19 ↗ that way

1:03:20 ↗ it may not be it's so it's pop it sounds

1:03:22 ↗ like it's not used that way

1:03:24 ↗ um again my concern

1:03:28 ↗ is just that i i don't you know is that

1:03:30 ↗ if we're

1:03:32 ↗ um

1:03:33 ↗ [Music]

1:03:36 ↗ if social distancing restrictions are

1:03:38 ↗ continue with us

1:03:40 ↗ but youth athletics is available and

1:03:42 ↗ there's rentals available

1:03:44 ↗ i just wonder if if that field would

1:03:47 ↗ actually you know end up getting used

1:03:49 ↗ um i don't think we're really at a at a

1:03:51 ↗ spot yet where

1:03:54 ↗ where we know where that is what that is

1:03:56 ↗ going to look like

1:03:58 ↗ you know in the springtime so you know

1:04:00 ↗ if there are restrictions on how many

1:04:02 ↗ kids can be on a field

1:04:04 ↗ like when you have like micro soccer

1:04:06 ↗ there's

1:04:07 ↗ like a zillion kids on a on a small

1:04:09 ↗ field

1:04:10 ↗ right they don't they don't rent as many

1:04:12 ↗ fields as they could they could

1:04:14 ↗ so if a micro soccer program was going

1:04:16 ↗ to be used

1:04:17 ↗ that field may need it may actually be

1:04:20 ↗ needed

1:04:21 ↗ um so go ahead i was just wondering what

1:04:25 ↗ else

1:04:25 ↗ what other fields what other grassy

1:04:27 ↗ areas you've looked at

1:04:29 ↗ yeah there are a couple uh the new area

1:04:31 ↗ gateway park

1:04:32 ↗ uh we considered um relatively

1:04:36 ↗ constrained in terms of parking that's

1:04:38 ↗ um up on newport way

1:04:42 ↗ some areas of confluence park are

1:04:45 ↗ certainly in consideration

1:04:48 ↗ again how we stay out of not only

1:04:50 ↗ sensitive areas but the buffers

1:04:51 ↗ themselves and any

1:04:53 ↗ deed restrictions that exist and what's

1:04:56 ↗ allowed in terms of

1:04:57 ↗ even temporary uses need to be

1:04:59 ↗ considered

1:05:00 ↗ a memorial but that too is a baseball

1:05:03 ↗ field

1:05:04 ↗ so i you know

1:05:08 ↗ um i think to your maybe to the

1:05:11 ↗ broader context of your question

1:05:13 ↗ danielle and something i think we've

1:05:15 ↗ certainly recognized this staff and i

1:05:16 ↗ think we've talked about this as a

1:05:18 ↗ as a group and as a body um

1:05:23 ↗ flat accessible developable land is not

1:05:25 ↗ something we are

1:05:27 ↗ it's not something we have in spades um

1:05:31 ↗ and so to think there's low-hanging

1:05:33 ↗ fruit that doesn't have some type of

1:05:35 ↗ trade-off or

1:05:36 ↗ sometime how do we work around existing

1:05:38 ↗ programming

1:05:39 ↗ um there's not many options out there

1:05:42 ↗ um so i i i think maybe you're getting

1:05:46 ↗ to that point but i i think your

1:05:48 ↗ questions

1:05:51 ↗ i think to shine light on that that

1:05:53 ↗ reality

1:05:54 ↗ we have a lot of we have a lot of

1:05:56 ↗ wonderful

1:05:57 ↗ um um

1:06:01 ↗ components of our park system right it's

1:06:03 ↗ an amazing park system but

1:06:05 ↗ but its ability to be agile to be flat

1:06:08 ↗ developable accessible

1:06:10 ↗ um we don't we don't have a lot of that

1:06:13 ↗ so

1:06:16 ↗ carl you had another question or comment

1:06:21 ↗ go ahead carl unmute yourself

1:06:28 ↗ yeah i just wanted to emphasize the use

1:06:31 ↗ of athletic fields

1:06:33 ↗ um the main thing being the safety

1:06:35 ↗ aspects of it all

1:06:37 ↗ dogs not only tear up but you also dig

1:06:39 ↗ up stuff and everything and holes and

1:06:41 ↗ stuff and i know what the nell's talking

1:06:42 ↗ about

1:06:43 ↗ hate to see somebody twist the knee

1:06:45 ↗ ankle

1:06:46 ↗ out on those fields i hate to think that

1:06:49 ↗ could be a liability issue knowing that

1:06:51 ↗ that wasn't kept up well i mean i don't

1:06:52 ↗ know i'm just throwing it out there

1:06:54 ↗ but i i would i think if you want to

1:06:56 ↗ pick four sites that

1:06:57 ↗ we stay away from athletic fields

1:06:59 ↗ because you're going to destroy them

1:07:01 ↗ the other thing which is you know might

1:07:03 ↗ sound kind of silly but

1:07:04 ↗ you know you said from bothell one-third

1:07:06 ↗ of the front area where most of dogs

1:07:08 ↗ hang out

1:07:09 ↗ and baltimore on the back two-thirds

1:07:11 ↗ well that's a lot of fertilizer for that

1:07:13 ↗ one third

1:07:14 ↗ and we revamp it you know i mean how's

1:07:16 ↗ that what's that going to look like

1:07:17 ↗ you know i mean a year from now one of

1:07:19 ↗ those areas might be like look at that

1:07:20 ↗ big one-third

1:07:21 ↗ area of dark dark green grass and the

1:07:23 ↗ other grass looks different

1:07:25 ↗ i mean i'm just throwing out there it

1:07:26 ↗ might sound silly but it might really

1:07:28 ↗ really make

1:07:29 ↗ the area look really terrible it may

1:07:31 ↗ make it look inconsistent because

1:07:34 ↗ you're going to over fertilize one area

1:07:35 ↗ with all these dogs you can go out there

1:07:36 ↗ and pick up stuff every day but

1:07:38 ↗ you're not going to get everything and

1:07:40 ↗ you're you know i mean that's just

1:07:41 ↗ something

1:07:42 ↗ i just kind of think about that maybe

1:07:44 ↗ not everybody thinks about it but

1:07:45 ↗ you know what what's that going to do to

1:07:48 ↗ the

1:07:48 ↗ soil if it's overly purified with

1:07:52 ↗ fertilization and then urine yeah

1:08:00 ↗ thanks carl anybody else got anything

1:08:03 ↗ what about burnson park is that one of

1:08:05 ↗ them

1:08:08 ↗ it wasn't included i think because of uh

1:08:11 ↗ problems uh too close to the creek

1:08:13 ↗ correct correct pretty much that entire

1:08:15 ↗ site jeremy is within the creek buffer

1:08:19 ↗ that's too bad that'd be perfect yep

1:08:31 ↗ is that also a problem for confluence as

1:08:33 ↗ well jen

1:08:38 ↗ uh yeah i mean a lot of the area is

1:08:40 ↗ within

1:08:41 ↗ the buffer um but also we just had a

1:08:43 ↗ very large capital project that just

1:08:45 ↗ went in there and

1:08:46 ↗ a lot of those grass areas are still in

1:08:48 ↗ the establishment period

1:08:50 ↗ so we'd want to be very thoughtful as to

1:08:54 ↗ if an area were to be considered where

1:08:56 ↗ it was

1:08:58 ↗ because we finally have smooth even

1:09:00 ↗ ground out there

1:09:02 ↗ if you've not been out there go take a

1:09:04 ↗ walk on the grass it's actually very

1:09:05 ↗ nice

1:09:07 ↗ so that's just one thing we thought

1:09:10 ↗ about when selecting the first four as

1:09:12 ↗ to why

1:09:13 ↗ confluence didn't rise in this group but

1:09:16 ↗ if this were to continue

1:09:18 ↗ you know say into year two we might use

1:09:20 ↗ new sites

1:09:21 ↗ and maybe confluence that that second

1:09:24 ↗ year rotation

1:09:25 ↗ could be considered just maybe not for

1:09:26 ↗ the first year

1:09:29 ↗ okay

1:09:32 ↗ any other comments or questions

1:09:36 ↗ not seeing any this is actually an

1:09:37 ↗ action item for us this evening

1:09:39 ↗ to be able to make a recommendation as a

1:09:41 ↗ board whether or not we

1:09:43 ↗ recommend that this move forward

1:09:49 ↗ i guess one of my questions to jeff or

1:09:52 ↗ jan before we

1:09:54 ↗ do that would be would this also be

1:09:58 ↗ able to be flexible in terms of the

1:10:00 ↗ sites or

1:10:02 ↗ are we recommending these four sites as

1:10:04 ↗ well at this point

1:10:05 ↗ or are we just recommending to proceed

1:10:07 ↗ with a temporary

1:10:09 ↗ dog park circle

1:10:13 ↗ great question i whatever whatever

1:10:15 ↗ you're comfortable with i i

1:10:17 ↗ i think the the mayor is very interested

1:10:20 ↗ and we as staff are interested in really

1:10:22 ↗ just generally

1:10:23 ↗ is there um support for the

1:10:26 ↗ the the idea i don't that it's not meant

1:10:29 ↗ to say

1:10:31 ↗ you know these are the absolute four

1:10:33 ↗ because we we don't

1:10:34 ↗ we don't know that yet um but is there

1:10:38 ↗ is is this worth piloting

1:10:41 ↗ um um

1:10:45 ↗ the remarks we got from the community in

1:10:47 ↗ our

1:10:48 ↗ one of our webex meetings seemed to be

1:10:51 ↗ pretty supportive i didn't really see

1:10:53 ↗ much negative from the community

1:10:57 ↗ at all about the concept maybe in terms

1:11:00 ↗ of the

1:11:00 ↗ sites i think that were some concern i

1:11:02 ↗ mean much like danielle has concerns

1:11:04 ↗ with it

1:11:05 ↗ but the actual concept of of

1:11:09 ↗ you know temporary dog parks seem to be

1:11:11 ↗ supported for the most part is that

1:11:13 ↗ accurate i would say it's very accurate

1:11:16 ↗ i would put the condition

1:11:17 ↗ being that it doesn't take the place of

1:11:20 ↗ pursuing a permanent dog park i think

1:11:23 ↗ the community was very very clear in

1:11:25 ↗ that that this

1:11:26 ↗ isn't great we've solved it this is hey

1:11:29 ↗ we still need to

1:11:31 ↗ you know go head down and still

1:11:34 ↗ seek funding and seek location for that

1:11:37 ↗ permanent

1:11:38 ↗ dog park or dog parks um this is just

1:11:41 ↗ meant as a as a near-term

1:11:44 ↗ interim okay danielle you got something

1:11:48 ↗ yeah um can you please remind me i think

1:11:51 ↗ you said it but i

1:11:52 ↗ it didn't stick with me how long you can

1:11:55 ↗ be at a location before it's deemed to

1:11:57 ↗ be

1:11:58 ↗ permanent

1:12:03 ↗ um well i don't have the exact number of

1:12:06 ↗ days but

1:12:07 ↗ i think what we're looking at is um

1:12:11 ↗ two to four months maybe a four if

1:12:13 ↗ there's a site that

1:12:14 ↗ that doesn't have pro pro existing

1:12:17 ↗ programming

1:12:19 ↗ i.e a space like the old skate park

1:12:22 ↗ right

1:12:22 ↗ is that something that has a little

1:12:24 ↗ longer life say four months

1:12:27 ↗ um i'd need to verify with with planning

1:12:30 ↗ and permitting

1:12:31 ↗ what that

1:12:35 ↗ what the the longevity is um

1:12:38 ↗ yeah so what i'm wondering is if you can

1:12:40 ↗ get away with um having two spots that

1:12:42 ↗ rotate

1:12:43 ↗ like what the city of bothell does

1:12:47 ↗ and whether you could have the the exist

1:12:50 ↗ the old skate park

1:12:51 ↗ park location um you know pop up

1:12:55 ↗ at the times when pickering would be

1:12:57 ↗ really busy

1:12:58 ↗ with the farmers market and then flip

1:13:00 ↗ back over

1:13:01 ↗ and then take the athletic fields kind

1:13:03 ↗ of out of the equation

1:13:06 ↗ it's a great question i i think what

1:13:08 ↗ we're looking at

1:13:09 ↗ is is not only what we're allowed to in

1:13:12 ↗ terms of length of time but

1:13:14 ↗ kind of what we were talking about

1:13:15 ↗ earlier what can we do without

1:13:18 ↗ how long can we stay in any one place

1:13:20 ↗ without either a programmatic

1:13:23 ↗ impact on the existing program that's

1:13:25 ↗ going on

1:13:26 ↗ or

1:13:30 ↗ impact the the lawn area uh that rehab

1:13:34 ↗ um looks that much more expensive so

1:13:38 ↗ we do have some flexibility in that are

1:13:40 ↗ the bottle

1:13:41 ↗ it sounded like the bottle locations are

1:13:43 ↗ not existing athletic fields so

1:13:46 ↗ correct correct just because rehab of an

1:13:48 ↗ athletic field is going to look

1:13:50 ↗ different than

1:13:51 ↗ a rehab of a meadow yeah or something

1:13:54 ↗ like that

1:13:54 ↗ so

1:13:58 ↗ agreed

1:14:01 ↗ for us to experiment the first winter

1:14:04 ↗ with the athletic fields

1:14:05 ↗ and then not be able to use them

1:14:10 ↗ yeah i agree that would not be the place

1:14:11 ↗ to start at tibbetts i don't think

1:14:13 ↗ not only because it's probably one of

1:14:15 ↗ the wetter ones of them as well and

1:14:17 ↗ we're leading into the

1:14:18 ↗ fall here so it'd be better to

1:14:21 ↗ experiment

1:14:22 ↗ somewhere other than there

1:14:26 ↗ we'll learn a lot after a month or two

1:14:29 ↗ in this first

1:14:30 ↗ site you know and i think

1:14:33 ↗ you know we can revamp the program after

1:14:36 ↗ you know a couple months if it's needed

1:14:42 ↗ any other questions or comments

1:14:46 ↗ i would say i i don't feel like i have

1:14:48 ↗ enough

1:14:49 ↗ um that we have enough details to make a

1:14:52 ↗ recommendation to move forward with

1:14:54 ↗ you know this per se i like the concept

1:14:58 ↗ and so i would be comfortable saying you

1:15:00 ↗ know continue to explore it

1:15:02 ↗ um but i would want to know

1:15:05 ↗ i would want to know what that schedule

1:15:07 ↗ is going to look like what the impacts

1:15:08 ↗ are going to be

1:15:09 ↗ how much time you're providing

1:15:11 ↗ especially with respect to

1:15:12 ↗ the athletic fields how much time you're

1:15:15 ↗ providing in order to

1:15:16 ↗ rehab the the field how much you think

1:15:18 ↗ that's going to cost

1:15:20 ↗ um because those are costs like what

1:15:22 ↗ brad said you know every

1:15:24 ↗ time if we can get away with having two

1:15:26 ↗ locations

1:15:27 ↗ that's that's going to also be a big you

1:15:29 ↗ know that will be a savings with respect

1:15:31 ↗ to

1:15:32 ↗ having to move the fencing and moving

1:15:34 ↗ the bent you know benches or providing

1:15:36 ↗ you know whatever other um you know

1:15:39 ↗ options there are

1:15:40 ↗ so um you know i would say

1:15:43 ↗ we should tr at least pilot it with a

1:15:46 ↗ smaller number of

1:15:48 ↗ of locations

1:15:51 ↗ and you know if we start november 1st

1:15:54 ↗ and

1:15:55 ↗ if location is done like

1:15:58 ↗ it's clear like it can't handle any more

1:16:01 ↗ dogs

1:16:02 ↗ you know in the first month then we

1:16:04 ↗ should just like you know

1:16:05 ↗ pause it not move it to another location

1:16:08 ↗ to

1:16:11 ↗ i like that you know i like that posit

1:16:15 ↗ pun too totally intended i'm sure aws

1:16:20 ↗ okay you know we haven't really i'll get

1:16:24 ↗ to you in a sec carl

1:16:25 ↗ we haven't really talked at all about

1:16:27 ↗ how covet might influence this

1:16:29 ↗ i mean you know gathering people

1:16:30 ↗ together

1:16:32 ↗ uh you know in a relatively small

1:16:35 ↗ dog park area sounds a little concerning

1:16:38 ↗ in our current health climate

1:16:42 ↗ i mean what do you think about all that

1:16:47 ↗ yeah boy i i think that we would

1:16:51 ↗ um have this signed much like we do the

1:16:53 ↗ skate park and any of our other

1:16:54 ↗ congregating

1:16:56 ↗ park amenities that are open that folks

1:16:58 ↗ would need to

1:17:00 ↗ mask up this is a public space that

1:17:02 ↗ would require

1:17:04 ↗ masks and being smart and responsible in

1:17:07 ↗ terms of how

1:17:08 ↗ they're using that using that space

1:17:12 ↗ if this was something that we were

1:17:14 ↗ monitoring and

1:17:15 ↗ folks were having a hard time physically

1:17:18 ↗ distancing then we would need to

1:17:21 ↗ we'd need to revisit that but you're

1:17:24 ↗ absolutely right

1:17:25 ↗ you know as we've managed public health

1:17:27 ↗ guidance through all of our park

1:17:29 ↗ amenities we've had to

1:17:31 ↗ keep tabs on that um as well

1:17:34 ↗ yeah i suppose if you can do a public

1:17:36 ↗ market you can do a dog park right

1:17:40 ↗ however in fairness i don't think that

1:17:43 ↗ uh

1:17:44 ↗ they're doing a very good job with

1:17:45 ↗ social distancing at some of the parks

1:17:46 ↗ anyways i have photos of the

1:17:48 ↗ of the skatepark 15 20 kids within

1:17:52 ↗ two feet of each other they're not

1:17:54 ↗ social distancing there

1:17:56 ↗ i can send the photos if you need if you

1:17:57 ↗ want to see him

1:17:59 ↗ no i appreciate that jeremy i've i've

1:18:01 ↗ seen plenty and we've we've certainly

1:18:03 ↗ um go on quite a few visits to to remind

1:18:06 ↗ folks

1:18:11 ↗ well in light of uh danielle's comment

1:18:14 ↗ and a couple other

1:18:15 ↗ nodding heads i i guess i'm

1:18:19 ↗ wondering if tonight is the night uh for

1:18:22 ↗ taking an action item here um

1:18:26 ↗ carl you had something to add yeah i

1:18:28 ↗ just had a quick question on the bottle

1:18:30 ↗ when you checked on bother how long have

1:18:32 ↗ they

1:18:32 ↗ been doing this a year six months year

1:18:35 ↗ and a half

1:18:38 ↗ great question carl um they were at

1:18:40 ↗ their first site

1:18:41 ↗ about six months and then they rotated

1:18:44 ↗ back to the other for about six months

1:18:46 ↗ and then they're back at the first

1:18:48 ↗ location um for

1:18:50 ↗ another six months but they're actually

1:18:52 ↗ thinking of maintaining

1:18:54 ↗ at their current location for a longer

1:18:56 ↗ period of time

1:18:57 ↗ in covid because it is behaving well

1:19:01 ↗ and just recognizing the need rather

1:19:04 ↗ than disrupt

1:19:05 ↗ and take it down and then put it back up

1:19:08 ↗ they do do a period of total shutdown in

1:19:11 ↗ between

1:19:12 ↗ uh but they just do a lot very diligent

1:19:15 ↗ um

1:19:16 ↗ messaging campaign to let people know

1:19:18 ↗ that the dog park is going to be

1:19:19 ↗ shutting down

1:19:20 ↗ and it'll be open on this date at the

1:19:22 ↗ new location

1:19:27 ↗ it sounds like it's been about a year

1:19:29 ↗ and a half that they've been doing it

1:19:32 ↗ yes and then in this location they're

1:19:34 ↗ also going to be continuing

1:19:36 ↗ for even longer than what their initial

1:19:38 ↗ anticipated six months was going to be

1:19:40 ↗ yeah

1:19:41 ↗ okay yeah that's my point was

1:19:44 ↗ if it's been a year and a half they have

1:19:45 ↗ gone through the four four seasons of a

1:19:48 ↗ full year

1:19:49 ↗ you know i think along with you know if

1:19:51 ↗ we don't have a recommendation maybe

1:19:53 ↗ you do a little more thorough

1:19:54 ↗ investigation with bothell and really

1:19:56 ↗ dig into

1:19:57 ↗ hey during these winter fall months

1:20:00 ↗ what concerns were there were there any

1:20:02 ↗ concerns you know

1:20:04 ↗ how they deal with it

1:20:07 ↗ there really haven't been when i spoke

1:20:09 ↗ with them they had no

1:20:10 ↗ no concerns

1:20:14 ↗ in terms of danielle's concerns about

1:20:16 ↗ moving forward at this point for the

1:20:18 ↗ recommendation i guess

1:20:20 ↗ the schedule i think needs to be

1:20:22 ↗ flexible

1:20:24 ↗ um and the impact to some extent we're

1:20:28 ↗ not going to know until we

1:20:29 ↗ you know put on a bit of a show

1:20:33 ↗ so i just see a whole lot of flexibility

1:20:35 ↗ that's going to have to run with the

1:20:37 ↗ program like this and i don't know that

1:20:39 ↗ we're ever going to be able to tie those

1:20:40 ↗ details down

1:20:42 ↗ beyond what we have now for some

1:20:45 ↗ future recommendation the only one would

1:20:48 ↗ be cost

1:20:49 ↗ that i could see that we don't maybe

1:20:50 ↗ have a handle on in terms of

1:20:52 ↗ what that might be

1:20:56 ↗ you know and if you look at that i mean

1:20:59 ↗ if you think it's something less than

1:21:00 ↗ ten thousand dollars for the whole year

1:21:04 ↗ that sounds probably in the ballpark

1:21:06 ↗ something in the five to ten thousand

1:21:08 ↗ dollar range

1:21:10 ↗ and if it was ten thousand dollars to

1:21:12 ↗ make this transition

1:21:16 ↗ how would that impact everybody's

1:21:18 ↗ opinion about

1:21:19 ↗ moving forward or not i mean with that

1:21:21 ↗ stymie it

1:21:23 ↗ probably not i guess would be my opinion

1:21:26 ↗ about that

1:21:27 ↗ especially if you can't move that money

1:21:29 ↗ into capital to

1:21:30 ↗ be used elsewhere if that has to be you

1:21:33 ↗ know operational

1:21:34 ↗ um so i don't know i'm not sure

1:21:38 ↗ necessarily how much more we're going to

1:21:40 ↗ learn

1:21:42 ↗ you know to make some future

1:21:44 ↗ recommendation

1:21:46 ↗ um it's it's hard i know and you know

1:21:49 ↗ i'm

1:21:50 ↗ in the same place in terms of making a

1:21:53 ↗ recommendation when there's

1:21:55 ↗ you know a number of uncertainties but

1:21:58 ↗ given that this is a

1:21:59 ↗ a pilot i i think it's just going to be

1:22:02 ↗ always laced with

1:22:03 ↗ uncertainties until we you know put on

1:22:05 ↗ the first show

1:22:07 ↗ well i guess i um

1:22:12 ↗ i i would not i don't think be able to

1:22:16 ↗ support um

1:22:20 ↗ moving forward if we're using athletic

1:22:23 ↗ fields

1:22:24 ↗ without knowing what the schedule is

1:22:26 ↗ going to be

1:22:27 ↗ and what the rehab is going to look like

1:22:31 ↗ and how extensive that will be

1:22:34 ↗ so that's that's my hesitation um

1:22:37 ↗ i i know these fields are not well used

1:22:40 ↗ but i don't things are a lot different

1:22:44 ↗ you know

1:22:45 ↗ um now and i think in the in the spring

1:22:47 ↗ it may

1:22:48 ↗ be that those fields will need to be

1:22:49 ↗ used um more often so

1:22:53 ↗ i don't want it i'm wondering can we

1:22:56 ↗ pilot just a pilot you know just take a

1:23:00 ↗ three month period

1:23:01 ↗ temporary pilot it didn't take a month

1:23:04 ↗ off

1:23:05 ↗ we look at how it went and then proceed

1:23:07 ↗ from there to

1:23:09 ↗ do an extension of moving it around but

1:23:12 ↗ you know just getting an idea of what it

1:23:13 ↗ would be for the first time and if it

1:23:15 ↗ doesn't work out and then we don't move

1:23:16 ↗ forward any further

1:23:17 ↗ but then i think about that they were

1:23:19 ↗ stuck with the cost of the fencing so

1:23:21 ↗ that's

1:23:24 ↗ yeah brad do you mind can i can i pop in

1:23:28 ↗ first i just this i i so appreciate this

1:23:31 ↗ discussion and and and like you're

1:23:34 ↗ bringing

1:23:35 ↗ to light some of the questions that we

1:23:37 ↗ certainly have

1:23:38 ↗ and and as i said won't know until

1:23:42 ↗ we pilot it if we pilot it i i think

1:23:45 ↗ what i'm hearing from you

1:23:46 ↗ is extremely helpful

1:23:50 ↗ you don't have to make a recommendation

1:23:52 ↗ one way or the other

1:23:53 ↗ tonight i think your

1:23:57 ↗ feedback and guidance has been very

1:23:59 ↗ helpful i've i've heard

1:24:01 ↗ yeah okay this is worth pursuing a

1:24:04 ↗ little bit more

1:24:06 ↗ let's not use athletic fields or

1:24:10 ↗ really really pay attention to

1:24:13 ↗ how they're being used if they have to

1:24:14 ↗ be used um

1:24:19 ↗ let's be cautious to and understand the

1:24:22 ↗ need for rehab

1:24:24 ↗ let's explore or consider a couple of

1:24:27 ↗ different sites i've heard

1:24:29 ↗ um i mean i i think the feedback you've

1:24:31 ↗ given has been

1:24:32 ↗ very very helpful um i'm scheduled

1:24:36 ↗ jennifer and i

1:24:37 ↗ are going to be having a follow-up with

1:24:38 ↗ the mayor later this week um

1:24:42 ↗ right now we're scheduled to have a

1:24:45 ↗ informational discussion with the

1:24:46 ↗ council

1:24:47 ↗ um in october uh to talk about this this

1:24:50 ↗ pilot and this idea

1:24:51 ↗ so even without a recommendation tonight

1:24:53 ↗ i i think the

1:24:55 ↗ concerns the feedback the the questions

1:24:58 ↗ you're throwing our way have been

1:24:59 ↗ very very helpful so don't feel like you

1:25:03 ↗ have to

1:25:03 ↗ you have to make some formal action

1:25:06 ↗ tonight you don't

1:25:08 ↗ jeremy you had something yeah um i'm not

1:25:11 ↗ opposed to the

1:25:12 ↗ to the idea but i'm uh i resonate a lot

1:25:16 ↗ with what danielle said i would be

1:25:18 ↗ greatly opposed to anything on an

1:25:20 ↗ athletic field um you know we canceled

1:25:22 ↗ the football season this year

1:25:24 ↗ first time in 17 years that i haven't

1:25:25 ↗ coached a football in the fall

1:25:27 ↗ um you know and i tried to get them to

1:25:29 ↗ push it to the spring

1:25:31 ↗ which i guess they're still considering

1:25:32 ↗ they're asking sending out surveys see

1:25:34 ↗ if parents would be supportive of that

1:25:36 ↗ but the main concern with doing that in

1:25:37 ↗ the spring is field space

1:25:39 ↗ and you know because it's competing

1:25:41 ↗ against soccer lacrosse

1:25:43 ↗ and all this other stuff you know i just

1:25:45 ↗ think like daniel said

1:25:47 ↗ come springtime who knows what the

1:25:49 ↗ climate's going to be and if we're

1:25:50 ↗ already got

1:25:51 ↗ dogs on it and whatever um you know like

1:25:54 ↗ i said if

1:25:55 ↗ if a site could be found that would was

1:25:57 ↗ low impact we had more information on it

1:25:59 ↗ i

1:25:59 ↗ i wouldn't be opposed necessarily to

1:26:01 ↗ that but i wouldn't absolutely i would

1:26:03 ↗ absolutely not support anything on

1:26:05 ↗ a athletic field

1:26:08 ↗ i think that's pretty clear from a

1:26:10 ↗ number of people jeff that athletic

1:26:12 ↗ fields are not the place for this

1:26:14 ↗ and i guess the more people talk about

1:26:16 ↗ it the more i'd agree with that

1:26:17 ↗ that um you could you know

1:26:21 ↗ to rehabilitate an athletic field um

1:26:24 ↗ might take some time and and that might

1:26:27 ↗ be really hard to do

1:26:28 ↗ if you've got you know the need to use

1:26:31 ↗ those fields for athletic purposes

1:26:33 ↗ and so there's really only tibbetts is

1:26:36 ↗ the only one of the four

1:26:37 ↗ that really falls in that category that

1:26:39 ↗ i see

1:26:40 ↗ of the four and maybe if you just remove

1:26:44 ↗ that one found another one or just go

1:26:46 ↗ with three that might

1:26:49 ↗ that might help the cause somewhat walk

1:26:52 ↗ valley was definitely designed as a

1:26:54 ↗ as an athletic field um

1:26:57 ↗ when when we developed that it was um we

1:27:00 ↗ did not have

1:27:02 ↗ as many turf fields as we have now and

1:27:04 ↗ it was used

1:27:05 ↗ you know i think for mostly for micro

1:27:08 ↗ soccer

1:27:09 ↗ um but you know you used to have

1:27:11 ↗ practices on there they used to have

1:27:12 ↗ games

1:27:13 ↗ to jeremy's point if if um if football

1:27:16 ↗ ends up and i can see this happening

1:27:18 ↗ high school football is gonna

1:27:20 ↗ you know they're trying to do a spring

1:27:21 ↗ season right if that happens

1:27:23 ↗ you get youth football is gonna be right

1:27:25 ↗ behind them you know there's a lot of

1:27:27 ↗ things that have to fall into place for

1:27:28 ↗ that to happen

1:27:30 ↗ but i guarantee you if if youth football

1:27:32 ↗ is gonna

1:27:33 ↗ um try to happen someone's gonna want

1:27:36 ↗ that microfield at squawk

1:27:39 ↗ someone will use it because there's not

1:27:41 ↗ enough uh space

1:27:42 ↗ elsewhere well there's essentially two

1:27:45 ↗ fields at squawk and it's this

1:27:47 ↗ it's the south field that's the one

1:27:49 ↗ that's being proposed the north field

1:27:51 ↗ would still be available for

1:27:54 ↗ for whatever right but that south field

1:27:56 ↗ is an athletic field

1:27:59 ↗ does the southfield have the green

1:28:00 ↗ shield on it as well

1:28:03 ↗ the south field is the smaller of the

1:28:05 ↗ two and yes i believe they both have a

1:28:07 ↗ similar

1:28:08 ↗ drainage system yeah i think there was

1:28:11 ↗ some substantial costs in

1:28:13 ↗ putting those greens that green shield

1:28:14 ↗ in would you know having dogs

1:28:16 ↗ and uh redoing that system

1:28:20 ↗ that seems like that would be a

1:28:21 ↗ challenge

1:28:23 ↗ yeah yeah any any use of

1:28:26 ↗ um a field space that has green shield

1:28:30 ↗ jeremy

1:28:30 ↗ they we wouldn't need to redo the green

1:28:32 ↗ shield uh that would that wouldn't be

1:28:35 ↗ um it wouldn't be impacted by any sort

1:28:38 ↗ of event and or dog use

1:28:40 ↗ but quite well taken

1:28:45 ↗ well jeff a lot of mixed thoughts here i

1:28:48 ↗ mean what do you think should we go

1:28:49 ↗ ahead and put something up for uh

1:28:51 ↗ a recommendation vote to so that you

1:28:54 ↗ have something to go to counsel with

1:28:56 ↗ or do you want to just express some of

1:28:58 ↗ the concerns that were voiced here

1:29:00 ↗ tonight

1:29:00 ↗ and say that the board is not making a

1:29:03 ↗ recommendation at this time

1:29:07 ↗ whatever your pleasure is but like i

1:29:09 ↗ said i would be fine

1:29:10 ↗ if i i don't think you have consensus

1:29:13 ↗ i'm not hearing consensus around what

1:29:15 ↗ that

1:29:15 ↗ message would be for recommendation i

1:29:18 ↗ would be

1:29:19 ↗ fine if what i communicate and you

1:29:22 ↗ tell me that i'm i'm saying this

1:29:23 ↗ correctly i think there's

1:29:25 ↗ there's interest in the concept um

1:29:29 ↗ there's strong uh sentiment to

1:29:33 ↗ not only from a scheduling standpoint

1:29:35 ↗ but just a function standpoint to avoid

1:29:37 ↗ athletic field space that

1:29:38 ↗ that we rely on even in different times

1:29:40 ↗ of the year

1:29:43 ↗ and try and come up with a model

1:29:47 ↗ and understand too that you as a park

1:29:49 ↗ board are probably just as interested as

1:29:51 ↗ us as staff

1:29:52 ↗ as we pilot this we're gonna have to

1:29:54 ↗ learn as we go

1:29:56 ↗ so is that am i am i

1:30:00 ↗ encapsulating what i heard and if so i'm

1:30:03 ↗ fine

1:30:04 ↗ delivering that that's very helpful

1:30:06 ↗ information without any kind of

1:30:08 ↗ um formal formal vote

1:30:11 ↗ yeah and i i think it's great i really

1:30:14 ↗ appreciate you

1:30:15 ↗ coming up with some creative solutions

1:30:18 ↗ um

1:30:19 ↗ and you know having some options that

1:30:22 ↗ isn't just

1:30:22 ↗ you know like oh we can't do the you

1:30:25 ↗ know what we wanted to do

1:30:27 ↗ which is this formal dog park so we'll

1:30:29 ↗ have to wait for you know and ever

1:30:31 ↗ however many years to do that so i think

1:30:34 ↗ it's a right

1:30:35 ↗ i think we're doing the right thing um

1:30:38 ↗ we just need to like kind of keep in

1:30:40 ↗ mind all the other competing uses

1:30:43 ↗ and the cost um and

1:30:46 ↗ really i mean like really the youth in

1:30:49 ↗ our community

1:30:50 ↗ like need to be outside

1:30:53 ↗ we're going to have a i mean the mental

1:30:55 ↗ health impacts on our kids

1:30:57 ↗ is is um going to be a challenge for our

1:31:00 ↗ community

1:31:02 ↗ and um and the answer you know if part

1:31:05 ↗ of

1:31:07 ↗ as a community we need to provide those

1:31:09 ↗ spaces for kids

1:31:11 ↗ so it's a problem

1:31:17 ↗ you're here so i think you encapsulated

1:31:19 ↗ it pretty well jeff

1:31:20 ↗ i think maybe for now let's go with that

1:31:23 ↗ um

1:31:23 ↗ this is really only the second time that

1:31:26 ↗ the board has really had an opportunity

1:31:28 ↗ to really talk about this

1:31:30 ↗ and i noticed our last board meeting

1:31:33 ↗ which we hadn't had one for

1:31:34 ↗ six months was really kind of

1:31:36 ↗ informational

1:31:37 ↗ um and this one certainly could be

1:31:41 ↗ considered a discussion and

1:31:44 ↗ maybe after people have a chance to

1:31:46 ↗ think this over and you've had a chance

1:31:48 ↗ to talk to council we can

1:31:50 ↗ if need be we can have an action item in

1:31:52 ↗ our next meeting

1:31:55 ↗ sounds good okay sounds good yep

1:31:58 ↗ okay thank you everybody good and thank

1:32:01 ↗ you jennifer

1:32:03 ↗ so uh we'll close that part of the

1:32:06 ↗ agenda out and move on to the next one

1:32:08 ↗ which is uh

1:32:10 ↗ talking a little bit about master

1:32:11 ↗ planning issues

1:32:14 ↗ yeah i just i'm going to hand it over to

1:32:16 ↗ jennifer i'm looking at the clock and

1:32:17 ↗ want to be sensitive to time

1:32:19 ↗ appreciated that dog park discussion i

1:32:21 ↗ think jennifer we'll we'll abbreviate

1:32:23 ↗ these updates as best we could we just

1:32:25 ↗ wanted to give you an update on some of

1:32:26 ↗ the other

1:32:27 ↗ capital projects that you're aware of

1:32:30 ↗ jennifer's got three of them that she'll

1:32:32 ↗ provide an update on the master planning

1:32:34 ↗ uh the wayfinding work

1:32:36 ↗ uh for for park signage design and the

1:32:39 ↗ bike park

1:32:40 ↗ so jen take it away

1:32:45 ↗ thanks jeff um so yeah remember

1:32:48 ↗ way last fall we were talking about

1:32:50 ↗ master planning three

1:32:52 ↗ of our anchor parks tibbetts valley park

1:32:55 ↗ veterans memorial field

1:32:57 ↗ and the creek corridor we did an

1:33:00 ↗ extensive public engagement effort last

1:33:02 ↗ fall

1:33:02 ↗ we were just about in february this year

1:33:06 ↗ ready to go out with a community survey

1:33:09 ↗ on three different concepts for each of

1:33:11 ↗ the anchor parks

1:33:13 ↗ and covid hit and we did not launch the

1:33:16 ↗ survey

1:33:17 ↗ and we ended up putting the project just

1:33:20 ↗ on pause

1:33:21 ↗ as to when an appropriate time to engage

1:33:23 ↗ with the community would be

1:33:26 ↗ we are now taking steps to revive that

1:33:29 ↗ master planning process with our

1:33:32 ↗ consultant

1:33:33 ↗ team methuen who has presented to the

1:33:35 ↗ park board several times

1:33:37 ↗ and one of the ideas we've been sharing

1:33:40 ↗ and thinking about is recognizing how

1:33:42 ↗ important our parks have been during

1:33:44 ↗ covid

1:33:45 ↗ trying to do a little survey as a way of

1:33:48 ↗ help

1:33:49 ↗ reviving seeing how people have been

1:33:51 ↗ using these parks

1:33:52 ↗ during covid and also what how would

1:33:54 ↗ they like them to perform

1:33:56 ↗ after covid and see if we can find out

1:33:58 ↗ some

1:33:59 ↗ additional information and get people

1:34:01 ↗ thinking about the parks again

1:34:03 ↗ before we continue on with the

1:34:07 ↗ concepts and if we need to we'll update

1:34:09 ↗ any of the concepts if there's new

1:34:11 ↗ information that comes out of that

1:34:13 ↗ and two we're also taking a fresh look

1:34:15 ↗ at some of our

1:34:16 ↗ field usage and what future needs might

1:34:19 ↗ be

1:34:20 ↗ so right now we're looking at just kind

1:34:23 ↗ of doing some behind the scenes work

1:34:25 ↗ there

1:34:25 ↗ likely would be a survey that would come

1:34:27 ↗ out here in the next

1:34:29 ↗ month to six weeks or so

1:34:33 ↗ to get gather some more information from

1:34:35 ↗ the community

1:34:36 ↗ and then likely after the new year we'd

1:34:39 ↗ begin

1:34:40 ↗ revamping those projects with our

1:34:42 ↗ engagement plan as we had on the

1:34:44 ↗ concepts and

1:34:46 ↗ furthering some of that conversation

1:34:51 ↗ as far as the wayfinding project as

1:34:54 ↗ jeff mentioned earlier it was it too was

1:34:57 ↗ one of the projects that

1:34:59 ↗ was lost some funding earlier in this

1:35:01 ↗ year with some budget cuts

1:35:03 ↗ and so we had very minimal budget in

1:35:06 ↗ which to

1:35:07 ↗ continue we were about to launch on our

1:35:10 ↗ engagement plan

1:35:13 ↗ when covid hit and so again we had to

1:35:15 ↗ play

1:35:16 ↗ put the project on pause um which

1:35:18 ↗ actually ended up being really good

1:35:20 ↗ timing as well because

1:35:22 ↗ um our consultant team was having some

1:35:25 ↗ challenges as well but

1:35:27 ↗ we've kept in touch and we're ready to

1:35:29 ↗ get rolling

1:35:31 ↗ this year we have limited funds to be

1:35:34 ↗ able to continue this work we do

1:35:36 ↗ have in our 2021 budget request

1:35:39 ↗ additional funding to um be able to

1:35:42 ↗ continue the project

1:35:44 ↗ into next year but for the work we have

1:35:47 ↗ remaining this year with an available

1:35:49 ↗ budget

1:35:50 ↗ we have a new exciting addition to the

1:35:53 ↗ project and that is the arts commission

1:35:58 ↗ the creative arts district has received

1:35:59 ↗ a grant um through the state

1:36:01 ↗ to create some signage as far as a

1:36:05 ↗ designation for that district area

1:36:07 ↗ and the arts communication is going to

1:36:10 ↗ be working with an artist that is also

1:36:12 ↗ going to be working

1:36:14 ↗ with a wayfinding and we're going to

1:36:16 ↗ merge a little bit of those efforts

1:36:17 ↗ um to have a cohesive uh

1:36:21 ↗ look on that and so um having some

1:36:24 ↗ timing while we're waiting for an

1:36:25 ↗ additional budget

1:36:26 ↗ to perhaps happen if council should

1:36:29 ↗ authorize it in the next year's budget

1:36:31 ↗ we'd be able to continue some of the

1:36:34 ↗ work that's been underway and at least

1:36:35 ↗ help the creative arts district

1:36:38 ↗ with their funding and their grants

1:36:40 ↗ through this effort

1:36:42 ↗ but then be able to continue ours with

1:36:44 ↗ new budget into next year so

1:36:46 ↗ likely we're looking off another

1:36:48 ↗ engagement process

1:36:51 ↗ in the first quarter of next year as

1:36:53 ↗ well

1:36:55 ↗ and then another quick update on the

1:36:57 ↗ bike park project

1:36:59 ↗ as you know that is a project that was

1:37:03 ↗ very dependent on grant funding in order

1:37:05 ↗ for us to be able to construct

1:37:08 ↗ the project and for two years in a row

1:37:11 ↗ we have not received funding this year

1:37:14 ↗ king county youth and amateur sports

1:37:17 ↗ grant

1:37:18 ↗ opted because of budget situation

1:37:21 ↗ opted not to fund any of the capital

1:37:24 ↗ projects that

1:37:26 ↗ they received applications for they did

1:37:30 ↗ fund a very small amount of programming

1:37:32 ↗ needs

1:37:33 ↗ to various communities but no capital

1:37:35 ↗ projects went through

1:37:37 ↗ so with this news we were unable to move

1:37:40 ↗ forward with the

1:37:42 ↗ bike park project this year and we have

1:37:45 ↗ been in communication with evergreen

1:37:47 ↗ mountain bike alliance as

1:37:48 ↗ our community partner they're still very

1:37:52 ↗ diligent and wanting to help us get a

1:37:54 ↗ bike youth skills facility built in our

1:37:57 ↗ system and so we're starting to take a

1:37:59 ↗ look

1:38:00 ↗ recognizing that rethinking

1:38:04 ↗ maybe even the location within central

1:38:06 ↗ park knowing

1:38:07 ↗ we may need to alter the size and shape

1:38:10 ↗ of the facility a little bit in order to

1:38:12 ↗ meet

1:38:13 ↗ budgetary needs but also some community

1:38:16 ↗ needs so

1:38:17 ↗ um we are just starting conversations

1:38:21 ↗ about what that would look like

1:38:22 ↗ and a little bit more to come on that

1:38:24 ↗ but wanted to share the news with you

1:38:26 ↗ that the bike park has previously

1:38:28 ↗ planned and

1:38:29 ↗ hoped for that we had put a budget or a

1:38:31 ↗ grant request in

1:38:33 ↗ we were unsuccessful this year and it

1:38:36 ↗ may be another year or two before that

1:38:38 ↗ grant

1:38:38 ↗ program actually has funding to be back

1:38:40 ↗ up on its feet

1:38:42 ↗ um so knowing that um we're having to

1:38:45 ↗ really look at how we might do this

1:38:47 ↗ project a little differently

1:38:49 ↗ if i can just add to that jen i think

1:38:51 ↗ this kind of speaks to the dog park

1:38:52 ↗ approach

1:38:53 ↗ too is with that bike park news um

1:38:56 ↗ we had such a reliance on grant funding

1:38:58 ↗ and needing to go out and great grant

1:39:00 ↗ funding

1:39:00 ↗ our conversation with evergreen has been

1:39:03 ↗ hey how can we become

1:39:05 ↗ less reliant on grant funding perhaps

1:39:07 ↗ modify the scope

1:39:08 ↗ get something sooner um rather than

1:39:13 ↗ um waiting for some really really

1:39:16 ↗ competitive grant dollars that maybe

1:39:18 ↗ bike skills parks have a hard time um

1:39:21 ↗ competing with so

1:39:22 ↗ we're gonna take a look at that see if

1:39:24 ↗ we can scale it back a bit

1:39:26 ↗ and and make it happen

1:39:33 ↗ i think that was my 30-second update but

1:39:35 ↗ i see danielle has a question

1:39:38 ↗ i have a question as to um the master

1:39:40 ↗ planning

1:39:41 ↗ process for the three master plans that

1:39:44 ↗ we've been working on

1:39:45 ↗ and is there a reason that we need to

1:39:49 ↗ to start that now um

1:39:52 ↗ my concern is that um

1:39:56 ↗ [Music]

1:39:58 ↗ is that people in our community at least

1:40:00 ↗ people with children

1:40:02 ↗ are really stretched thin right now um

1:40:05 ↗ trying to kind of manage school

1:40:09 ↗ work and and that's probably it

1:40:12 ↗ right um and so i just wonder if we will

1:40:16 ↗ get you know to the extent that we're

1:40:17 ↗ asking for a public comment if we're

1:40:19 ↗ going to basically be setting ourselves

1:40:22 ↗ up for

1:40:22 ↗ not getting a whole section of the

1:40:25 ↗ population

1:40:25 ↗ in our community that cannot deal with

1:40:28 ↗ anything extra right now

1:40:29 ↗ yeah no it's a great question um

1:40:33 ↗ if i can feel into what what jen said

1:40:35 ↗ yeah i think at its earliest

1:40:36 ↗ that's that starts again in any sort of

1:40:39 ↗ way

1:40:40 ↗ um even as individual master plans

1:40:43 ↗ that the earliest that starts is q1 next

1:40:46 ↗ year

1:40:46 ↗ okay i think i heard that there would be

1:40:48 ↗ a survey that would be coming out

1:40:50 ↗ i think what jen what jen was talking

1:40:52 ↗ about there is something we're exploring

1:40:54 ↗ is coming out of covid

1:40:56 ↗ so not necessarily with the master plans

1:40:58 ↗ but even just coming out of covid

1:41:00 ↗ and i think you you're you've made in a

1:41:03 ↗ number of you made some really astute

1:41:04 ↗ comments about youth sports and sort of

1:41:06 ↗ we're coming out of covid

1:41:08 ↗ and this idea of how parks are being

1:41:10 ↗ used i think it's

1:41:11 ↗ is maybe being looked at a little

1:41:13 ↗ differently so so what if we do

1:41:15 ↗ some type of survey this year it's more

1:41:19 ↗ sort of a how do you what what lens are

1:41:22 ↗ you looking at your parks

1:41:23 ↗ through now as you're coming out of

1:41:25 ↗ covid right i mean so it's a way of

1:41:28 ↗ i think starting to frame up that

1:41:29 ↗ question and whether whether

1:41:32 ↗ whether we do that um the end of this

1:41:34 ↗ year or whether we kick that off the

1:41:36 ↗ beginning of next year

1:41:37 ↗ i think there's a way to sort of have

1:41:40 ↗ some conversation about this postcovid

1:41:43 ↗ world of parks and athletic fields and

1:41:46 ↗ uses before we

1:41:48 ↗ even dive into those master plans but

1:41:52 ↗ um i think you're right i i think we're

1:41:54 ↗ very aware of of

1:41:56 ↗ um just capacity of families and

1:41:59 ↗ and the community when's the right time

1:42:01 ↗ one of the right optics to have this

1:42:02 ↗ conversation

1:42:03 ↗ so i think that's some what jen was

1:42:06 ↗ saying we're doing this year is we're

1:42:07 ↗ circling back with methuen and it's sort

1:42:09 ↗ of asking those

1:42:10 ↗ questions of okay when's the right time

1:42:13 ↗ what's the right first step and i think

1:42:15 ↗ what we've come to is maybe the right

1:42:17 ↗ first step

1:42:17 ↗ is to ask some of these not park

1:42:20 ↗ specific questions of those three

1:42:22 ↗ but just hey we've all experienced covid

1:42:25 ↗ how how do you see i mean

1:42:28 ↗ are your optics for parks do they look a

1:42:31 ↗ little different now than they did

1:42:32 ↗ um seven months ago so

1:42:36 ↗ okay i think very aware of that very

1:42:38 ↗ thing that you're talking about

1:42:39 ↗ capacity of families when's the right

1:42:41 ↗ time when are they ready to even

1:42:43 ↗ think about this yeah yeah all right

1:42:46 ↗ don't disagree

1:42:47 ↗ but don't disagree you're one of them

1:42:48 ↗ right yeah

1:42:52 ↗ yeah we're not going to be able to do

1:42:53 ↗ anything i think

1:42:55 ↗ substantive with the community until we

1:42:57 ↗ can actually

1:42:58 ↗ get out and mingle again together i mean

1:43:01 ↗ to try and do something like that on

1:43:03 ↗ webex or whatever i think is fruitless

1:43:06 ↗ or to do it any way shape or form over

1:43:09 ↗ the internet

1:43:10 ↗ i mean we and who knows when that's

1:43:12 ↗ going to be quite frankly so it's pretty

1:43:14 ↗ hard to plan

1:43:15 ↗ for a time frame until you know we get

1:43:18 ↗ closer to that

1:43:19 ↗ whenever it is so while we're talking

1:43:22 ↗ master planning real quick and i want to

1:43:24 ↗ be sensitive at time but i i know

1:43:26 ↗ in public comment connie asked the

1:43:28 ↗ question or raised this point about

1:43:29 ↗ master plans and should we or shouldn't

1:43:31 ↗ we and maybe we don't even do them or

1:43:32 ↗ don't need them

1:43:34 ↗ um that's at least what i heard and

1:43:36 ↗ that's a valid question and i guess i

1:43:38 ↗ would

1:43:39 ↗ i would say i don't know that there's a

1:43:43 ↗ it's not a right or wrong um i don't

1:43:46 ↗ think

1:43:46 ↗ as we look at how we look at the near

1:43:49 ↗ term and the long-term needs of any park

1:43:51 ↗ system

1:43:52 ↗ and i'm just i i'm saying this from my

1:43:54 ↗ experience

1:43:57 ↗ i would say any healthy planning effort

1:44:00 ↗ should be a mix of both

1:44:02 ↗ and a mix of both being sort of long

1:44:05 ↗ master planning near-term projects

1:44:09 ↗ still doing a little bit of both and

1:44:11 ↗ when i look at

1:44:13 ↗ um those

1:44:17 ↗ anchor facilities within issaquah system

1:44:19 ↗ and realizing and recognizing at some

1:44:22 ↗ point

1:44:22 ↗ in the next decade that those those

1:44:25 ↗ spaces are going to be asked and have

1:44:27 ↗ the opportunity to perform

1:44:29 ↗ more and perform better and i would be

1:44:32 ↗ hard-pressed to

1:44:34 ↗ to prioritize an investment within any

1:44:36 ↗ of those parks without understanding

1:44:38 ↗ the whole and so i think that's

1:44:42 ↗ at least where we're trying to say

1:44:44 ↗ whenever that right time is

1:44:45 ↗ and and this fall is not the right time

1:44:48 ↗ but i do

1:44:49 ↗ think that you know those budgeted funds

1:44:52 ↗ for master planning

1:44:53 ↗ we wouldn't be seeking additional new

1:44:55 ↗ funds next year

1:44:57 ↗ uh the idea is just reallocating the

1:44:59 ↗ budget we have

1:45:01 ↗ but i i would see um

1:45:04 ↗ there's still a need we shouldn't put

1:45:06 ↗ all our eggs in just master planning we

1:45:08 ↗ should still be doing some near-term

1:45:09 ↗ projects but

1:45:11 ↗ um master planning those spaces are

1:45:14 ↗ something that's going to be a value for

1:45:16 ↗ this community

1:45:17 ↗ and really positions probably phased

1:45:19 ↗ investments into those parks for

1:45:21 ↗ many many years to come so my two cents

1:45:27 ↗ danielle i would agree with that i also

1:45:29 ↗ want to um

1:45:30 ↗ just remind us that when we

1:45:33 ↗ pause when that when that process paused

1:45:36 ↗ um we had just started

1:45:40 ↗ actually having conversations with the

1:45:43 ↗ baseball community

1:45:44 ↗ which is the the one community that's

1:45:47 ↗ that's most impacted

1:45:48 ↗ by um whatever happens at tibbetts and

1:45:51 ↗ memorial

1:45:52 ↗ you know together and so i don't think

1:45:54 ↗ this is the right time to re-engage in

1:45:56 ↗ that conversation but i do

1:45:58 ↗ think that we should re-engage in that

1:46:00 ↗ conversation in a really thoughtful way

1:46:03 ↗ before we re-engage with the community

1:46:08 ↗ so that we as a

1:46:11 ↗ we as a city understand what that need

1:46:13 ↗ is i feel like we didn't understand that

1:46:16 ↗ um in in february um and we were just

1:46:20 ↗ kind of starting that conversation

1:46:22 ↗ so again i don't think that right now is

1:46:24 ↗ the right time to start that

1:46:25 ↗ conversation but i just want to put it

1:46:27 ↗ out there as something

1:46:28 ↗ to circle yeah i think that idea of

1:46:30 ↗ field use and field needs

1:46:31 ↗ and further vetting that is something

1:46:33 ↗ that jennifer had mentioned earlier on

1:46:35 ↗ uh in the meeting but yeah i i think

1:46:38 ↗ it's

1:46:38 ↗ it speaks to the very thing that you're

1:46:40 ↗ saying is how do we

1:46:42 ↗ do a little further analysis on field

1:46:44 ↗ use and needs with

1:46:45 ↗ um with those existing user groups

1:46:53 ↗ sounds good get in on that part of it

1:46:56 ↗ jim

1:46:58 ↗ yeah i've got one other project update

1:47:02 ↗ and i'm just

1:47:03 ↗ maybe i'm just going to do a little

1:47:04 ↗ teaser here for 60 seconds so

1:47:07 ↗ we another item on our work plan was um

1:47:10 ↗ we submitted a pretty hefty grant to

1:47:12 ↗ the state for um bergsma

1:47:15 ↗ to assist with the bergsman acquisition

1:47:17 ↗ uh we put in a grant request of 2.6

1:47:20 ↗ million dollars that would go towards

1:47:22 ↗ um further offsetting the local

1:47:26 ↗ investment

1:47:27 ↗ we made that presentation earlier this

1:47:29 ↗ month on the 17th of september

1:47:32 ↗ um jennifer did an outstanding job as

1:47:35 ↗ the as the presenter typically we go

1:47:37 ↗ down to olympia and you're

1:47:39 ↗ gonna do this face-to-face we had the

1:47:41 ↗ privilege of doing it in a virtual

1:47:44 ↗ environment which was interesting um uh

1:47:47 ↗ we got some really really positive

1:47:48 ↗ feedback

1:47:49 ↗ we're going up against 11 projects but i

1:47:52 ↗ think we're going to rank really really

1:47:53 ↗ well i think once we get that

1:47:56 ↗ official ranking we'll share that news

1:47:57 ↗ with you something i'd love to put into

1:48:00 ↗ the minutes

1:48:00 ↗ is that the actual presentation and the

1:48:04 ↗ narrative that goes with it

1:48:05 ↗ if anyone's interested or curious and

1:48:08 ↗ looking at it you certainly can

1:48:10 ↗ um it tells a great story not only of

1:48:12 ↗ the the project but of the ecological

1:48:15 ↗ value

1:48:16 ↗ um of that site um of the recreational

1:48:18 ↗ value of that site

1:48:19 ↗ so um we'll make sure to get you that

1:48:22 ↗ information and also make that

1:48:24 ↗ information available to the public but

1:48:27 ↗ uh fingers crossed um

1:48:29 ↗ hoping we're ranked really high and that

1:48:31 ↗ positions us

1:48:32 ↗ for some additional additional funding

1:48:37 ↗ good no and that

1:48:41 ↗ kind of leads into one of the things

1:48:44 ↗ that i was going to talk about in my

1:48:45 ↗ chair report

1:48:46 ↗ and maybe you can clarify because i

1:48:48 ↗ don't know a lot about these grants but

1:48:50 ↗ i read

1:48:51 ↗ that the washington recreation and

1:48:53 ↗ conservation office

1:48:55 ↗ actually approved 391 thousand dollars

1:48:58 ↗ to the mountain

1:49:00 ↗ to sound greenway uh efforts to

1:49:03 ↗ rehabilitate uh issaquah creek through

1:49:06 ↗ the the lakes of managed state park

1:49:09 ↗ which is a 1.8 million dollar project

1:49:11 ↗ that mountain sound greenway is going to

1:49:13 ↗ undertake

1:49:14 ↗ and they're getting grants from a

1:49:15 ↗ variety of different resources

1:49:18 ↗ but it looked as if this 391 thousand

1:49:21 ↗ dollars was already approved from the

1:49:23 ↗ rco

1:49:24 ↗ is that the same place that you're

1:49:26 ↗ talking about or is that a different

1:49:29 ↗ same office so recreation conservation

1:49:31 ↗ office oversees

1:49:33 ↗ all a myriad of grant programs so brad

1:49:35 ↗ i'm not sure when they applied for that

1:49:37 ↗ grant

1:49:38 ↗ they might have a pr applied for that in

1:49:40 ↗ previous years and were awarded this

1:49:42 ↗ year

1:49:43 ↗ yeah the cycle that we went through

1:49:45 ↗ we're applying this year

1:49:47 ↗ for funding next year so there's just a

1:49:51 ↗ ton of different cycles depending on the

1:49:53 ↗ grant category right

1:49:55 ↗ i think that's what it was but it was

1:49:56 ↗ good news to see that that there's still

1:49:58 ↗ money being granted to organizations

1:50:00 ↗ here for

1:50:01 ↗ uh for rehabilitation and habitat

1:50:05 ↗ conservation issues so

1:50:10 ↗ actually the only thing else i wanted to

1:50:12 ↗ say in my

1:50:14 ↗ report was um i think we're going to be

1:50:17 ↗ at this

1:50:18 ↗ internet meeting thing for quite a while

1:50:20 ↗ so get used to it

1:50:21 ↗ probably through the end of the year or

1:50:23 ↗ if not beyond

1:50:25 ↗ so it seems like it works pretty well

1:50:28 ↗ stay tuned whether or not we're going to

1:50:29 ↗ have meetings every month

1:50:31 ↗ we're not sure but jeff and i keep in

1:50:33 ↗ touch monthly

1:50:34 ↗ to let everybody know

1:50:37 ↗ and uh if you just uh i encourage

1:50:40 ↗ everybody

1:50:40 ↗ since these are all recorded and placed

1:50:43 ↗ on youtube

1:50:44 ↗ that if you miss any meetings uh make

1:50:46 ↗ sure that you

1:50:48 ↗ uh if possible watch it on youtube so

1:50:51 ↗ you can stay plugged in

1:50:52 ↗ to things because our discussions seem

1:50:56 ↗ to build on themselves

1:50:58 ↗ and it's always good to stay

1:51:01 ↗ involved

1:51:04 ↗ that's all i had for any kind of a chair

1:51:06 ↗ report and jeff do you have anything

1:51:08 ↗ more for director i've got one item

1:51:12 ↗ that'll that'll take

1:51:13 ↗ two minutes maybe i'm gonna share my

1:51:16 ↗ screen here as i'm talking

1:51:18 ↗ um so i think some of our discussion and

1:51:20 ↗ i talked about

1:51:22 ↗ you know what are we doing near term

1:51:23 ↗ what are some near-term projects i

1:51:25 ↗ wanted to update you on some work that's

1:51:26 ↗ happened in the department

1:51:28 ↗ uh with the arts um team with amy dukes

1:51:31 ↗ and the arts commission

1:51:33 ↗ that involves some of our public spaces

1:51:35 ↗ many of you

1:51:36 ↗ are aware of the east lake sammamish

1:51:38 ↗ trail

1:51:39 ↗ and a new tunnel at southeast 62nd that

1:51:44 ↗ was created

1:51:46 ↗ with the new road right that tunnel

1:51:49 ↗ um um as you can imagine presents a bit

1:51:53 ↗ of a

1:51:53 ↗ uh of a maintenance headache uh and that

1:51:56 ↗ that that

1:51:57 ↗ tunnel creates a nice canvas for

1:52:00 ↗ graffiti to happen and so um

1:52:03 ↗ our maintenance team worked really close

1:52:05 ↗ with um

1:52:06 ↗ amy and the arts folks and tried to come

1:52:08 ↗ up with uh

1:52:10 ↗ sort of art with a purpose um so art

1:52:13 ↗ that

1:52:13 ↗ might assist us with some um

1:52:17 ↗ reducing vandalism and graffiti and so

1:52:20 ↗ the art commission and amy put out a

1:52:22 ↗ request for proposal for a mural that

1:52:24 ↗ would go up in that

1:52:26 ↗ tunnel i'm gonna see if i can

1:52:30 ↗ share my screen is this

1:52:35 ↗ am i sharing

1:52:42 ↗ so um the result of the

1:52:46 ↗ effort um an artist was selected

1:52:49 ↗ and this the art commission just at

1:52:52 ↗ their last meeting approved

1:52:54 ↗ this artist to put up this mural this

1:52:57 ↗ will be going up later this fall

1:53:00 ↗ like i said this is the tunnel that goes

1:53:01 ↗ under southeast 62nd this is the east

1:53:03 ↗ lake sammamish trail

1:53:05 ↗ but rather than this blank gray conv

1:53:08 ↗ canvas

1:53:10 ↗ the commission did a great job of

1:53:11 ↗ choosing an artist that depicted

1:53:14 ↗ very locally relevant art it's not just

1:53:17 ↗ random art but certainly speaks to

1:53:20 ↗ issaquah and hopefully creates a nice

1:53:24 ↗ piece of art in the community but also

1:53:26 ↗ um addresses some of our uh maintenance

1:53:30 ↗ concerns

1:53:31 ↗ so just

1:53:34 ↗ how does that refrain graffiti from

1:53:37 ↗ happening to ruin that tapestry

1:53:41 ↗ it's a great great question so there'll

1:53:43 ↗ be a pretty heavy anti-graffiti

1:53:46 ↗ coating that's going to go on over that

1:53:48 ↗ art and i think it's certainly been

1:53:50 ↗ proven i've seen it um

1:53:54 ↗ where i came from in kent we did this

1:53:57 ↗ but but

1:53:57 ↗ art and murals tend to be respected

1:54:01 ↗ a little bit more than just a blank wall

1:54:04 ↗ i think there's an understanding of oh

1:54:06 ↗ okay this this means something and i

1:54:09 ↗ think especially something that's

1:54:10 ↗ locally relevant um

1:54:12 ↗ just has a higher potential of being

1:54:15 ↗ respected than

1:54:16 ↗ like i said that that blank canvas so no

1:54:19 ↗ guarantees but um

1:54:22 ↗ we are pretty optimistic it'll help good

1:54:25 ↗ looks very cool

1:54:28 ↗ so that's it just wanted to share some

1:54:30 ↗ some recent news

1:54:32 ↗ really appreciate the discussion tonight

1:54:34 ↗ um

1:54:36 ↗ as brad said it's re it's great to get

1:54:38 ↗ together have these conversations

1:54:40 ↗ uh certainly as we are starting to

1:54:42 ↗ resuscitate some of this work

1:54:44 ↗ um that i just as staff want to

1:54:46 ↗ reiterate see great value

1:54:48 ↗ in these conversations um as you are a

1:54:52 ↗ a great advisory group so thanks

1:54:56 ↗ danielle you got something yeah um i

1:54:58 ↗ found that this summer i was kind of i

1:55:01 ↗ was

1:55:01 ↗ we didn't meet for many months right and

1:55:03 ↗ um

1:55:04 ↗ i found myself kind of like wondering

1:55:08 ↗ what we were doing like what um just

1:55:11 ↗ uh it would be nice to get some updates

1:55:13 ↗ like so if we go for a stretch without

1:55:15 ↗ meeting

1:55:16 ↗ um just as far as like well what parks

1:55:19 ↗ are open

1:55:19 ↗ like are are we doing rentals are we

1:55:23 ↗ you know what you know are we hiring

1:55:26 ↗ people back

1:55:27 ↗ are so sort of like just if they're

1:55:30 ↗ if we don't meet for a stretch if you

1:55:33 ↗ could send us

1:55:34 ↗ kind of a little bit of updates i think

1:55:35 ↗ that would be really

1:55:37 ↗ helpful absolutely appreciate that that

1:55:41 ↗ feedback

1:55:41 ↗ in fact i i would i would imagine we are

1:55:44 ↗ going to be meeting to some frequency

1:55:46 ↗ just again i think with some of this

1:55:47 ↗ work happening i think something we've

1:55:49 ↗ talked about as a team

1:55:50 ↗ is um maybe the next meeting have having

1:55:53 ↗ a little more

1:55:54 ↗ just a broad update on covid recovery

1:55:56 ↗ and and where we're at

1:55:58 ↗ as a department when you look at all of

1:56:00 ↗ the array of

1:56:01 ↗ of services and amenities that we are um

1:56:05 ↗ we're managing it's been a busy time but

1:56:08 ↗ give you that broader context

1:56:09 ↗ and i suspect that you have had to pivot

1:56:11 ↗ and do some things that you

1:56:13 ↗ haven't had to do before and so to the

1:56:15 ↗ extent that you can share those and

1:56:17 ↗ share those successes

1:56:18 ↗ you know we would love to hear those

1:56:20 ↗ that's right

1:56:22 ↗ yeah and uh real quickly and part of

1:56:24 ↗ that covert recovery and stuff like we

1:56:25 ↗ talked about

1:56:26 ↗ you know come springtime you know i know

1:56:29 ↗ you guys are always forward thinking and

1:56:31 ↗ forward-looking

1:56:32 ↗ at what could potentially happen you

1:56:34 ↗ know but if if you had

1:56:35 ↗ you know twice as many user groups

1:56:38 ↗ wanting to use the facilities in the

1:56:39 ↗ spring

1:56:40 ↗ you know like danielle said how we facil

1:56:41 ↗ make sure we facilitate

1:56:43 ↗ and provide the the most um coverage for

1:56:46 ↗ everybody

1:56:46 ↗ you know how you guys are thinking about

1:56:49 ↗ addressing that

1:56:50 ↗ but i think that um we should be

1:56:52 ↗ thinking about as well

1:56:54 ↗ yep appreciate that we've actually had

1:56:55 ↗ some really fruitful conversations with

1:56:58 ↗ the school district and engaging at a

1:57:00 ↗ little higher administration level about

1:57:02 ↗ some of those things

1:57:03 ↗ what access do they need to our pool

1:57:06 ↗ what access do we need to their

1:57:07 ↗ buildings

1:57:08 ↗ how do we collaborate um even from a

1:57:10 ↗ field standpoint when we anticipate this

1:57:12 ↗ sort of new you're right this

1:57:14 ↗ concentration

1:57:16 ↗ um of needs both indoor and outdoor in

1:57:18 ↗ the spring so

1:57:20 ↗ yeah sounds like it's worth an update

1:57:21 ↗ next month thank you

1:57:24 ↗ and in response to danielle's uh comment

1:57:28 ↗ i mean i kind of think that this now

1:57:29 ↗ that the city has webex

1:57:31 ↗ in place and supports the boards and

1:57:34 ↗ commissions

1:57:34 ↗ using the system i guess i don't

1:57:37 ↗ anticipate

1:57:38 ↗ us having another six months off like we

1:57:41 ↗ had in here this year

1:57:42 ↗ unless things really fall apart but um

1:57:45 ↗ we got to stay optimistic that that's

1:57:47 ↗ not going to happen and so i mean i

1:57:48 ↗ think there's

1:57:49 ↗ some real value in us even this way

1:57:51 ↗ getting together to have some discussion

1:57:53 ↗ and it's very likely that that will

1:57:55 ↗ continue

1:57:56 ↗ uh pretty frequently i'm not seeing any

1:57:59 ↗ real

1:58:00 ↗ reason that we don't quite frankly i

1:58:02 ↗ mean we should be able to just keep

1:58:03 ↗ moving on

1:58:05 ↗ well toilet paper is plentiful at costco

1:58:07 ↗ if uh if it falls apart again so

1:58:10 ↗ you can appreciate what's going on

1:58:13 ↗ inside scoop jeremy that's great

1:58:17 ↗ any other comments or questions new

1:58:20 ↗ business

1:58:21 ↗ anything if not it was a real pleasure

1:58:24 ↗ to meet with you all tonight

1:58:26 ↗ and thanks for your help and

1:58:29 ↗ on your comments and we'll be back in

1:58:32 ↗ touch

1:58:32 ↗ and for now the meeting is adjourned

1:58:35 ↗ thanks goodnight everyone

1:58:37 ↗ thanks everyone

1:58:49 ↗ you

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Approve the minutes of August 24, 2020. Approved 5-0 PUBLIC COMMENTS Connie Marsh: Title 18 feedback. Master plan funding concerns. Temporary Dog Park feedback and opposition to parks in motion with gaps in availability but cautiously in favor. Temporary Dog Park Update, (A) Presented by: Jeff Watli…

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