Development Commission · Wednesday, February 15, 2023 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of November 16, 2022

packet pp.5–9

Previously discussed: City Council Regular Meeting · Nov 7, 2022

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Staff report:

MINUTES DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION 6:30 p.m. Wednesday, November 16, 2022

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Newport Way Townhomes (Inneswood Multi-Family) Community Conference, Permit Numbers: PRJ12-00009, COM22- Address: 905 Newport Way NW Parcel Numbers: 2824069011, Description: The applicant proposes to construct eight multi-family buildings units on a 1.68-acre site comprised of two parcels. Each unit will have a two-car garage, and 11 guest stalls will be provided on site. Site improvements will include constructing an internal drive aisle with one point of entry/exit off Newport Way NW for each parcel, a through block passage, usable open space, on-site landscaping, and frontage improvements. Community Conference Order

Emily Adams Associate Planner Rob Wenzl, Inneswood Estates Jeremy Pfarr, Milbrandt Architects Meeting Materials: · packet pp.4

Topics: HousingLand UseTransportationTreesParks

Previously discussed: City Council Regular Meeting · Nov 7, 2022

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Staff report:

MINUTES DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION 6:30 p.m. Wednesday, November 16, 2022

5. REPORTS

City Council Update

Christian Geitz, Planning Manager

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Upcoming Schedule

packet pp.53

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Staff report:

JANUARY JULY 1/4/2023 cancelled 7/6/2023 Adjusted for scheduling conflict -TBD

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0:04 ↗ foreign

0:09 ↗ good evening and welcome I'd like to

0:12 ↗ call the February 15th meeting the city

0:13 ↗ of issaquah's development commission to

0:15 ↗ order at 6 30 pm

0:17 ↗ as a reminder we do still have a remote

0:19 ↗ aspect to our meetings this means both

0:22 ↗ staff and members of the public may be

0:24 ↗ participating in the meeting remotely by

0:26 ↗ WebEx

0:27 ↗ for those attending remotely you might

0:29 ↗ notice a little different look to the

0:30 ↗ virtual meeting software tonight

0:32 ↗ this is our first meeting using a new

0:34 ↗ version of WebEx called WebEx webinar if

0:37 ↗ you have any issues or questions about

0:39 ↗ using it please send the host a chat

0:42 ↗ message or email staff at Christian G

0:46 ↗ issaquah.gov Christian G

0:48 ↗ issaquah.gov excuse the absences tonight

0:51 ↗ in the commission our vice chair of

0:54 ↗ Shore and commissioner price alternate

0:56 ↗ member Morgan is serving as a regular

0:58 ↗ member tonight

1:00 ↗ so a first item of business tonight is

1:02 ↗ to take action on some meeting minutes

1:04 ↗ we have for November 16 2022 we've only

1:07 ↗ had an opportunity to look at them in

1:09 ↗ the packet are there any corrections to

1:11 ↗ the November 16th meeting minutes

1:16 ↗ hearing none the minutes are approved

1:19 ↗ next I'd like to open the floor for any

1:21 ↗ members of the public in person or

1:23 ↗ virtually who'd like to make a general

1:25 ↗ comment not about the Newport Way

1:27 ↗ Townhomes project but on General topics

1:30 ↗ there will be an opportunity later in

1:32 ↗ the meeting for those who'd like to

1:34 ↗ comment about the project on tonight's

1:36 ↗ agenda

1:37 ↗ Mr Aldrich has anyone signed up to make

1:39 ↗ General Public comments no one online or

1:42 ↗ in the room has signed up to speak for

1:43 ↗ General comments tonight great thank you

1:47 ↗ so we will move right into the main

1:49 ↗ agenda item for tonight Community

1:51 ↗ Conference for Newport Way Townhomes

1:54 ↗ the purpose of this meeting is to

1:56 ↗ provide the community an opportunity to

1:58 ↗ participate in the permitting process

2:00 ↗ generate discussion and understand the

2:03 ↗ proposal with particular focus on

2:05 ↗ critical areas on and off the project

2:07 ↗ site

2:08 ↗ order of tonight's meeting will be first

2:10 ↗ appearance of fairness disclosures then

2:13 ↗ there will be a staff presentation then

2:15 ↗ applicant presentation and then there'll

2:18 ↗ be an opportunity for public comment

2:20 ↗ finally there will be comment and

2:22 ↗ questions by the development Commission

2:25 ↗ so Mr geitz if you're ready please

2:27 ↗ proceed with the appearance of fairness

2:30 ↗ disclosures

2:31 ↗ thank you chair I just wanted to State

2:35 ↗ the general reminder that this is a

2:37 ↗ quasi-judicial matter for contacts the

2:39 ↗ proceedings are required to be fair in

2:41 ↗ fact an appearance ex partake contact

2:44 ↗ between Commissioners and the applicant

2:46 ↗ or the public is prohibited throughout

2:48 ↗ the entire process this is the initial

2:51 ↗ stage of a formal site development

2:54 ↗ permit process that will be forthcoming

2:56 ↗ but I just want to make that clear at

2:59 ↗ this point are there any questions from

3:01 ↗ the commission at this time

3:05 ↗ thank you

3:07 ↗ thanks so now we'll move on to the staff

3:10 ↗ presentation portion of the evening

3:12 ↗ Miss Adams please go ahead whenever you

3:14 ↗ are ready thank you chair just just

3:16 ↗ share my screen

3:25 ↗ okay good evening commission we're here

3:27 ↗ to talk about the Newport Way Townhomes

3:30 ↗ which has also previously been referred

3:32 ↗ to as the Inniswood multi-family site

3:35 ↗ um tonight we are just conducting a

3:37 ↗ Community Conference which has the

3:39 ↗ purpose of ensuring early public

3:41 ↗ engagement getting any public comments

3:44 ↗ early in the process and we're really

3:46 ↗ just looking at the big picture of this

3:48 ↗ project at this point staff hasn't

3:49 ↗ really dug into the details of

3:51 ↗ compliance just really getting an idea

3:53 ↗ of what the proposal is and any issues

3:56 ↗ or options that are in regards to what's

3:59 ↗ being proposed we're hoping to give

4:01 ↗ feedback to the applicants tonight from

4:04 ↗ the Commissioners and the public who are

4:06 ↗ in present and just create a productive

4:08 ↗ working environment for all involved

4:11 ↗ so the permitting process as Christian

4:14 ↗ said is there will be a site development

4:17 ↗ permit and then there will be a sepa

4:19 ↗ environmental review

4:21 ↗ the permit will come back before the

4:23 ↗ development commission for a public

4:25 ↗ hearing and formal decision and then

4:27 ↗ they can apply for construction permits

4:29 ↗ as we all know Title 18 is in the middle

4:32 ↗ of being adopted so just want to make

4:34 ↗ sure that we mention that it's not the

4:36 ↗ site development permit that will vest

4:37 ↗ this project it is the building permit

4:40 ↗ that best this project but they can

4:42 ↗ apply for construction permits at in

4:44 ↗ East Point I also just wanted to mention

4:47 ↗ that staff is aware that previous

4:49 ↗ projects has come forward on this site

4:51 ↗ but we are looking at this project this

4:53 ↗ application as just a full restart on

4:56 ↗ that site this is not a revision of any

4:58 ↗ previous projects it's the beginning of

5:01 ↗ a new one

5:03 ↗ so a little bit about the site located

5:05 ↗ at 905 Newport Way It Is in the central

5:07 ↗ Issaquah sub area zoned mixed-use

5:10 ↗ residential with a comprehensive plan

5:13 ↗ land use designation of multi-family

5:15 ↗ residential and you can see it

5:16 ↗ highlighted on red there on the map

5:21 ↗ um the applicable code that will be used

5:23 ↗ to regulate this site is the central

5:26 ↗ Issaquah Urban Design manual to design

5:29 ↗ and development standards

5:31 ↗ so the site is composed of two Parcels

5:33 ↗ one larger parcel to the North in a

5:35 ↗ smaller parcel to the South total it's

5:38 ↗ 1.68 Acres the project is proposing

5:42 ↗ eight buildings for a total of 30 units

5:44 ↗ there will be 71 parking stalls which

5:47 ↗ include two stalls for each what they're

5:50 ↗ referring to as townhouse in the garages

5:52 ↗ and then guest stalls as well there is

5:55 ↗ an internal access drive for each parcel

5:58 ↗ that accesses off of the main road a

6:02 ↗ through block passage is proposed and

6:04 ↗ community space is proposed as well the

6:07 ↗ applicant will get into a little bit

6:09 ↗ more detail about some of those items as

6:11 ↗ far as critical areas and tree

6:12 ↗ preservation there are steep slopes

6:15 ↗ located near the site

6:16 ↗ tree retention no trees within the

6:19 ↗ developable area are proposed to be

6:21 ↗ retained

6:22 ↗ this parcel was originally part of a

6:25 ↗ short plot for the single-family homes

6:27 ↗ that have been developed

6:29 ↗ um kind of on the hill above it so all

6:31 ↗ the tree preservation for this parcel

6:34 ↗ were part of that original short plot

6:35 ↗ and tracked A and B that you can see on

6:38 ↗ this screen there are where all the tree

6:40 ↗ preservation occurs which was part of

6:41 ↗ the short plot decision

6:45 ↗ so that's staff's brief overview

6:48 ↗ um anyone who has any questions

6:50 ↗ um always can email staff I'll be the

6:53 ↗ Planner on this project and happy to

6:55 ↗ answer any questions and for now I will

6:57 ↗ turn it over to the applicant

7:00 ↗ no thanks so now we'll proceed with the

7:02 ↗ applicant's presentation and I guess

7:04 ↗ this would be either Mr Wenzel or Mr

7:07 ↗ Farr is that right

7:11 ↗ thank you richness my name is

7:17 ↗ um

7:32 ↗ perfect

7:33 ↗ okay uh this was a project uh been in

7:36 ↗ the works for you know the better part

7:37 ↗ of 10 years

7:39 ↗ um if the older commission members

7:41 ↗ remember if they looked at the city map

7:43 ↗ this used to have a gold star on the

7:45 ↗ piece of property because it was known

7:47 ↗ as the Spock property back uh back five

7:49 ↗ or ten years ago we've retired a couple

7:52 ↗ several planners and probably some

7:54 ↗ commission members also this was a three

7:57 ↗ lot short plot

7:58 ↗ back in the day it had a 10 lot

8:00 ↗ subdivision up on top that had 10

8:03 ↗ single-family lots and then we did some

8:05 ↗ some Global as I call it Global issues

8:08 ↗ with steep slopes and tree retention so

8:10 ↗ in the original short plot we saved more

8:13 ↗ trees than what the code required in the

8:15 ↗ tracked areas which gave us the ability

8:17 ↗ to uh clear if you will the the lots

8:21 ↗ that we're currently building on now of

8:24 ↗ course we've had lots of iterations on

8:27 ↗ the Frontage of Newport way and I'm sure

8:30 ↗ we will continue with that discussion as

8:34 ↗ planning as the planner mentioned we do

8:36 ↗ have 30 town homes on the site just

8:40 ↗ to remember on the on the apartment

8:42 ↗ project we had 93 units proposed on

8:45 ↗ there we had a fair amount of you know

8:48 ↗ input from Neighbors on that

8:51 ↗ um if the Commissioners remember there's

8:53 ↗ uh uh still a trail that that goes up to

8:58 ↗ the single-family properties that

9:00 ↗ probably will still be in a project

9:02 ↗ applicable in this project

9:05 ↗ we we are still working on the Storm

9:09 ↗ drainage issues but we do have a vault

9:11 ↗ that was originally installed for the

9:13 ↗ apartment building that's on adjacent

9:15 ↗ property across the street the developer

9:18 ↗ from up on top is still working on

9:20 ↗ completing some of those issues with the

9:22 ↗ Wetland restoration and so forth but

9:24 ↗ there is Storm facilities on our

9:26 ↗ property and across that somehow will

9:29 ↗ combine into this project

9:34 ↗ from our experience with the commission

9:36 ↗ last time and the apartment building we

9:39 ↗ have done our best to look at the

9:42 ↗ commission's developable standards that

9:46 ↗ are in the book for the City of Issaquah

9:48 ↗ and it is our goal to have designed this

9:52 ↗ almost by cutting and pasting the design

9:55 ↗ and development requirements that are in

9:57 ↗ the Issaquah Planning and Development

10:00 ↗ commissions booklet so hopefully that

10:03 ↗ will help the process along but

10:05 ↗ especially with colors for the

10:07 ↗ Commissioners that were here before we

10:09 ↗ spend an enormous amount of time on

10:13 ↗ just for levity

10:15 ↗ we were on a mustard color at about four

10:17 ↗ different shades of a mustard color on

10:19 ↗ the previous building so I hope we we

10:22 ↗ will get past that in our new design and

10:25 ↗ new color schemes

10:27 ↗ um I am I'm excited for a for sale

10:30 ↗ townhome project in Issaquah other than

10:33 ↗ the Issaquah Highlands there's not much

10:36 ↗ available for residential homes around

10:40 ↗ here and as we know within a mile radius

10:43 ↗ of this project there's an enormous

10:44 ↗ amount of apartments available but not

10:46 ↗ for for ownership type of project so

10:49 ↗ we're really excited about that

10:52 ↗ and our team is the same team we had

10:56 ↗ before we have no Branch Mill Brandt

10:58 ↗ Architects doing the architecture we

11:00 ↗ have core engineering doing the site

11:01 ↗ plans and so forth so at this time

11:05 ↗ 30 units for sale townhome project

11:10 ↗ looking at everything hopefully the

11:12 ↗ commission wants for the development

11:13 ↗ side of the project and I'm going to

11:16 ↗ turn it over for technical analysis to

11:18 ↗ millbrand Architects thank you

11:19 ↗ Commissioners very much

11:27 ↗ hi my name is Jeremy Farr excuse me I'm

11:29 ↗ with Melbourne Architects

11:31 ↗ um just taking a quick look at the site

11:35 ↗ this is on the left there's an aerial

11:37 ↗ view kind of looking West

11:40 ↗ at our site as you can see there's quite

11:43 ↗ a bit of slope which has been kind of a

11:45 ↗ driving force behind a lot of the design

11:48 ↗ for the buildings and the site itself

11:53 ↗ um the overall layout of this project

11:55 ↗ reflects our primary goal of responding

11:57 ↗ to the site's natural topography the

12:00 ↗ existing topography slopes up to the

12:01 ↗ west and we are utilizing the buildings

12:03 ↗ to help retain a lot of that grade

12:05 ↗ this helps to minimize sight retaining

12:07 ↗ walls as much as possible as well as

12:09 ↗ helps reduce the height of the site

12:10 ↗ retaining walls

12:12 ↗ we are proposing a mixed mode through

12:14 ↗ block passage also known as a wound

12:16 ↗ Earth that runs through the middle of

12:18 ↗ this larger parcel that's closer to the

12:20 ↗ North and North is to the bottom and

12:23 ↗ right in this site plan

12:27 ↗ so

12:29 ↗ this will allow two rows of residential

12:31 ↗ units that run parallel to Newport way

12:34 ↗ there

12:36 ↗ a mixed mode through black passage for

12:38 ↗ those that don't know is designed to

12:40 ↗ accommodate shared use by pedestrians

12:41 ↗ bikes and vehicles with an emphasis on

12:44 ↗ providing a safe and pleasant pedestrian

12:46 ↗ experience this will be done by using

12:48 ↗ Paving that indicates to vehicles that

12:50 ↗ they're entering a shared space and to

12:52 ↗ proceed with caution

12:53 ↗ additional pedestrian amenities such as

12:55 ↗ sidewalks with plantings trees and

12:58 ↗ seeding will be integrated into this

12:59 ↗ area

13:00 ↗ vehicle circulation and garage access

13:03 ↗ has been organized to minimize its

13:04 ↗ visibility from Newport Way and designed

13:07 ↗ to remain relatively level to

13:09 ↗ accommodate pedestrians bikes vehicles

13:11 ↗ and fire truck access

13:13 ↗ this street provides access to the

13:14 ↗ private garages of all the units as well

13:16 ↗ as access to the front entries of the

13:19 ↗ rear row of units

13:21 ↗ the street facing facades of the town

13:23 ↗ homes that front Newport weigh

13:25 ↗ combined to form a streetwalk that meets

13:28 ↗ the build two line requirements of the

13:29 ↗ design standards

13:31 ↗ this creates an active and engaged

13:32 ↗ streetscape

13:33 ↗ and

13:34 ↗ engaged and makes for safer pedestrian

13:37 ↗ and bicycle circulation along the

13:39 ↗ Project's Frontage

13:40 ↗ finally there's a large multiple use

13:42 ↗ space that will serve as a community

13:44 ↗ Plaza for the residents it will also

13:47 ↗ serve as a fire truck turnaround for the

13:49 ↗ buildings at the back of the site

13:53 ↗ sorry

13:55 ↗ just take a quick look at the

13:56 ↗ circulation plan this is just kind of a

13:57 ↗ stripped down version of our site plan

13:59 ↗ again we're proposing a mix mode through

14:02 ↗ block Passage through the the middle of

14:03 ↗ the site with two secondary through

14:05 ↗ block passages that connect Newport way

14:07 ↗ to our kind of internal Winner Street

14:12 ↗ um and one of the secondary through

14:13 ↗ block passages directly connects to our

14:15 ↗ multiple use space at the back of the

14:17 ↗ property this organization of through

14:19 ↗ block passages gives residents clear

14:21 ↗ pedestrian Pathways throughout the

14:22 ↗ project and direct connection to the

14:24 ↗ public Realm

14:28 ↗ so these next couple of slides are some

14:31 ↗ concept site sections that we put

14:33 ↗ together to help

14:34 ↗ understand kind of the topography that

14:37 ↗ we're dealing with so the bottom right

14:39 ↗ is Newport Way and the top left is kind

14:42 ↗ of the the high end of the back of our

14:44 ↗ site so there's quite a bit of elevation

14:46 ↗ change between those two points and as

14:49 ↗ you can see we're we've designed the

14:50 ↗ units into the hillside to help take up

14:53 ↗ that grade as we move back up the slope

14:56 ↗ which helps minimize the height of the

14:59 ↗ retaining wall site retaining walls and

15:00 ↗ the number of sight retaining walls

15:04 ↗ um you can also see we're cutting

15:05 ↗ through that mixed mode through block

15:07 ↗ passage which is 40 feet wide there's a

15:10 ↗ 20-foot Drive aisle if you will again

15:12 ↗ the emphasis is on pedestrian and

15:15 ↗ bicycle use

15:17 ↗ and there's as we currently have it laid

15:20 ↗ out we have about a six and a half foot

15:21 ↗ stretch on to the right of it and then

15:24 ↗ 13 and a half foot pedestrian amenity

15:27 ↗ space to the left

15:30 ↗ and if you go to the next slide please

15:33 ↗ there are certain sections areas of our

15:36 ↗ site where this the slope is very steep

15:38 ↗ towards the rear of the property so

15:41 ↗ we've designed what we're calling double

15:43 ↗ tuck unders

15:44 ↗ which have two levels that provide

15:47 ↗ retaining and that helps really helps to

15:51 ↗ minimize the number of sight retaining

15:53 ↗ walls that are needed

15:58 ↗ and here's an example of a site

16:01 ↗ retaining wall so this is a soil nail

16:04 ↗ wall which is currently being explored

16:05 ↗ for use on our site it's just an example

16:08 ↗ but we wanted to present it to show that

16:12 ↗ our intent is not you know a plain blank

16:14 ↗ concrete retaining wall and we're going

16:17 ↗ to tear us it as needed

16:19 ↗ um with a maximum of 10 feet tall of a

16:24 ↗ retaining wall and anytime we have

16:26 ↗ Terrace retaining walls we'll provide

16:27 ↗ adequate space between the walls to

16:29 ↗ allow for plantings to help soften the

16:30 ↗ appearance of the walls

16:34 ↗ do you have the elevations that were

16:36 ↗ submitted

16:38 ↗ we have some elevations that didn't make

16:39 ↗ it into this presentation

16:42 ↗ um

16:43 ↗ but if it's possible to pull them up

16:45 ↗ that'd be great if not I can just kind

16:47 ↗ of

16:47 ↗ you got them okay

16:49 ↗ thank you

16:54 ↗ just wanted to touch on building design

16:56 ↗ um briefly obviously we're in the

16:58 ↗ preliminary phases of it

16:59 ↗ but there are a couple things I wanted

17:02 ↗ to point out

17:04 ↗ um so this is the if you go to the first

17:08 ↗ yeah thank you so the downhill townhome

17:11 ↗ unit the top right elevation is the most

17:15 ↗ visible from Newport Way that's the

17:17 ↗ elevation that fronts Newport Way

17:19 ↗ and so we've chosen the Craftsman

17:22 ↗ architectural style as specified in the

17:24 ↗ architecture and Urban Design manual and

17:27 ↗ have chosen materials and Earth Tone

17:29 ↗ colors that are appropriate for this

17:30 ↗ style

17:31 ↗ the Townhomes fronting Newport Way which

17:33 ↗ is the elevation on the top right

17:36 ↗ um

17:36 ↗ have wide covered front entry porches

17:39 ↗ that will display a variety of ground

17:40 ↗ level detailing such as craftsman style

17:42 ↗ columns and picket railings we also have

17:45 ↗ porch steps and adjacent Landscaping

17:46 ↗ that will help to engage the public

17:48 ↗ realm and create a pleasant pedestrian

17:50 ↗ and bicycle experience along the

17:51 ↗ Project's Frontage

17:53 ↗ um we have two color schemes that we've

17:55 ↗ currently developed this is the first

17:56 ↗ one

17:58 ↗ um if you go to the next slide that'll

18:00 ↗ show the other color scheme and this is

18:02 ↗ the tuck under townhome unit that is at

18:05 ↗ the rear of the property so the top

18:08 ↗ right elevation that's the entry side of

18:10 ↗ the the building and that fronts the

18:12 ↗ wuner street that runs through the site

18:15 ↗ um

18:16 ↗ we are proposing fiber cement lab siding

18:19 ↗ and a natural wood shingle the fiber

18:23 ↗ cement lap siding is really durable and

18:25 ↗ performs well in our climate and then

18:28 ↗ obviously we wanted to bring in a

18:29 ↗ natural element into the design and

18:31 ↗ that's with the the wood shingles that's

18:34 ↗ kind of the accent and we do have a

18:35 ↗ small material board that shows these

18:38 ↗ two color schemes and the materials if

18:40 ↗ anybody wants to take a look

18:42 ↗ um so we're very excited about this

18:44 ↗ project and the potential benefits that

18:46 ↗ will provide to the community and would

18:47 ↗ like to welcome any questions at this

18:49 ↗ time

18:49 ↗ thank you

18:51 ↗ good great thank you and I'm going to

18:54 ↗ open the meeting for public questions

18:55 ↗ and comments and for those making

18:57 ↗ comments please direct them to the

18:59 ↗ applicant staff is here to answer

19:01 ↗ questions about the review and

19:03 ↗ permitting process but I'd ask that all

19:05 ↗ questions related to the site and the

19:08 ↗ design be directed to the applicant and

19:10 ↗ its design team if you're joining by

19:12 ↗ computer please raise your virtual hand

19:15 ↗ if you're on the phone not a computer

19:17 ↗ press star 3 on your phone if you're in

19:20 ↗ the room please step up to the lectern

19:22 ↗ so the microphone can pick you up

19:24 ↗ as a reminder when it's your turn to

19:26 ↗ speak state your name clearly before

19:28 ↗ speaking speak clearly pause frequently

19:30 ↗ and please limit your comments to five

19:32 ↗ minutes after a comment or question has

19:34 ↗ been presented the applicant or someone

19:36 ↗ from the design team will provide a

19:38 ↗ response Mr Aldrich has anyone signed up

19:40 ↗ for comments on this topic we do have

19:43 ↗ two people signed up for comment tonight

19:45 ↗ and they are both in the room first we

19:46 ↗ have Simone

19:55 ↗ this one okay my name is Simoni Houseman

19:57 ↗ I leave on 944 10th Place Northwest is

20:00 ↗ what they call the single family of

20:03 ↗ homes above the slope it was originally

20:06 ↗ called is wood side two

20:09 ↗ um my concern is

20:11 ↗ um

20:12 ↗ the area behind my house from what I was

20:16 ↗ told from HOA is considered a critical

20:18 ↗ area

20:20 ↗ um on the last 10 months three threes

20:24 ↗ fell over one was on May mid-may it was

20:29 ↗ a sunny day just Breezy I watched from

20:32 ↗ my seven month old

20:34 ↗ Wrong by wrong window the tree fall and

20:38 ↗ a few branches fell into my property I

20:41 ↗ notify HOA they told me we can touch

20:44 ↗ those trees they are critical area

20:46 ↗ on I don't know if it was the week of

20:49 ↗ Christmas on your years there is a

20:51 ↗ parcel Behind These two Parcels that

20:53 ↗ belongs to an ins wood as well another

20:56 ↗ huge tree fell over I can take a picture

20:59 ↗ and send to you guys it didn't affect

21:01 ↗ myself on January 9 on this year the big

21:05 ↗ Windstorm that we had on the morning a

21:08 ↗ gigantic tree fell over my house and it

21:12 ↗ could have killed me because it fell

21:14 ↗ above my bedroom so as a concerned sits

21:18 ↗ in I'm trying to understand why HOA is

21:21 ↗ saying that they cannot touch the

21:22 ↗ streets because I'm having PTSD of

21:25 ↗ sleeping when it's whinging like two

21:27 ↗ weeks ago but they are willing to take

21:30 ↗ down another 100 trees and that is fine

21:33 ↗ he mentioned itself that a lot of trees

21:35 ↗ were left behind so they could build

21:38 ↗ this project but what about the the

21:40 ↗ residence that trees are falling over

21:43 ↗ their houses and they cannot do anything

21:45 ↗ about it

21:47 ↗ foreign

21:48 ↗ do you have any response and tonight

21:51 ↗ anytime uh public speaks you can just

21:53 ↗ feel free to respond when they're done

21:55 ↗ okay

21:57 ↗ um

21:58 ↗ I'm not familiar with I guess I don't

22:01 ↗ know Bob do you want to take this one

22:03 ↗ okay

22:06 ↗ give me some pictures my name is Bob

22:08 ↗ Wenzel with Inniswood um ma'am I truly

22:12 ↗ understand the tree issue there there's

22:15 ↗ a lot of space between the uh the

22:18 ↗ Inniswood 10 as we call it or the

22:20 ↗ Inniswood 10 lot subdivision and the

22:23 ↗ edge of the developable property that

22:25 ↗ we'll be clearing

22:26 ↗ there was lots of discussion when the

22:30 ↗ subdivision was designed and approved

22:33 ↗ and there was a lot of discussion in the

22:36 ↗ City of Issaquah they have a tendency to

22:38 ↗ want to save as many trees as humanly

22:40 ↗ possible and yes it is a steep slope and

22:43 ↗ that's why we saved as many trees as we

22:45 ↗ can

22:47 ↗ um as those 10 houses at Inniswood got

22:50 ↗ developed of course those backyards got

22:52 ↗ right up to the edge of the tract and

22:55 ↗ the track runs

22:57 ↗ a parallel if you would with the 10 lots

23:00 ↗ and our development and there's a lot of

23:02 ↗ space between there unfortunately with

23:05 ↗ as many trees that were left there

23:06 ↗ there's there's probably trees that are

23:09 ↗ going to come down over time and with my

23:12 ↗ experience of tracked or native tract

23:15 ↗ areas they don't particularly want us to

23:18 ↗ go in there and either either

23:21 ↗ de-tree or cut the trees out as they

23:24 ↗ fall over they would prefer those trees

23:27 ↗ to stay there and become natural habitat

23:29 ↗ for Critters and animals that go through

23:32 ↗ there so yeah unfortunately with the

23:35 ↗ storms it is going to be I think in the

23:38 ↗ future for all of us those trees will

23:41 ↗ stay there and they'll have to kind of

23:42 ↗ lay there and become Critter homes when

23:46 ↗ the trees come down I don't mind

23:49 ↗ staying out there there's a lot of

23:51 ↗ pieces of tree right there right now

23:53 ↗ because I had to pay for them to take

23:55 ↗ over out of my backyard I'm concerned

23:58 ↗ that my son my infant son could have

24:00 ↗ been killed on May last year I could

24:02 ↗ have been killed on January this year I

24:05 ↗ just want those trees gone and they

24:07 ↗ cannot go down because someone has to

24:10 ↗ protect the trees but you guys now can

24:12 ↗ take over like more than 100 trees and

24:14 ↗ it's fine so I'm living almost with BTSD

24:16 ↗ the only thing that I want from the city

24:18 ↗ as well I want some of the streets down

24:20 ↗ because there is a huge Douglas for the

24:23 ↗ every single wind

24:26 ↗ branches 5 feet 10 feet fall over my

24:30 ↗ roof and this time around there were

24:33 ↗ branches like arrows on the

24:36 ↗ the grass sorry I'm a little bit nervous

24:38 ↗ so the only thing that I'm asking for

24:40 ↗ the city is it's okay I don't care if if

24:43 ↗ they're gonna develop another 30 units I

24:45 ↗ just want those trees gone because it's

24:48 ↗ a hazard they're falling and they're not

24:50 ↗ falling one every 10 years they're

24:51 ↗ falling one every three months one month

24:54 ↗ so what what the city is going to do

24:56 ↗ about it

24:57 ↗ why it's okay for them to take down the

24:59 ↗ streets but I have to live in PTSD and

25:01 ↗ Trauma and fear going forward I only

25:04 ↗ lived there for three years you know

25:06 ↗ when those were developed you know well

25:08 ↗ about the project so that's that's the

25:10 ↗ answer I'm trying to get I want

25:12 ↗ permission and I wanna someone to

25:14 ↗ address those they are not healthy they

25:16 ↗ are falling I can provide tons of

25:18 ↗ pictures to you guys

25:19 ↗ chair if I may can jump in here feels

25:22 ↗ like your staff territory now

25:24 ↗ um we have a permit to remove critical

25:28 ↗ area trees if there's hazardous trees

25:29 ↗ I'm happy to give you my contact

25:31 ↗ information and we can talk about that

25:33 ↗ if even though Avid parcel so that is

25:37 ↗ the Eastwood 10 homes that is a parcel

25:40 ↗ that from what I was told HOA was forced

25:43 ↗ to own to preserve the area and then it

25:47 ↗ is a parcel that becomes your ins wood

25:49 ↗ that from my understanding you guys are

25:51 ↗ not going to develop over it and there

25:53 ↗ are the two Parcels that you're going to

25:54 ↗ develop so even though these trees are

25:57 ↗ on the area that HOA was forced to take

26:00 ↗ over are you guys willing to take those

26:01 ↗ down there it's they're in a natural

26:04 ↗ growth protection easement but if

26:06 ↗ they're hazardous we do have permits

26:07 ↗ available for the HOA to apply for to

26:10 ↗ remove hazardous trees in critical areas

26:12 ↗ that can be done

26:13 ↗ okay I'll give you my email okay this

26:15 ↗ and we'll we'll touch base about it and

26:17 ↗ figure out a way forward I appreciate

26:19 ↗ that so my only secondary question is

26:23 ↗ um

26:24 ↗ I I don't know if it belongs to ins wood

26:27 ↗ or they just saw the area bed uh behind

26:30 ↗ Pickering they developed four houses

26:34 ↗ um and who controls the the timing the

26:37 ↗ noise ordinance because for that

26:41 ↗ development 6 30 a.m big trucks were

26:43 ↗ coming and doing a lot of noise to drop

26:46 ↗ the materials so what is going to be the

26:49 ↗ the noise control for this development

26:53 ↗ I I know that particular piece of

26:55 ↗ property also because I've been involved

26:57 ↗ here for 11 years and I would all I

27:00 ↗ would say is even if it was my project

27:02 ↗ even though those four aren't I think

27:04 ↗ it's important that you as a citizen

27:06 ↗ would inform the city building official

27:08 ↗ or Code Compliance uh I'm probably

27:11 ↗ speaking out of turn here but I'm I'm

27:14 ↗ very familiar with this particular issue

27:16 ↗ is that if if someone is not living up I

27:19 ↗ know for me as a builder I have a

27:21 ↗ specific time frame every day that I can

27:23 ↗ only start and stop and if I'm not

27:26 ↗ living by that or if that developer's

27:28 ↗ not I would encourage you to call code

27:29 ↗ enforcement and and make them comply

27:32 ↗ with the conditions of the building

27:33 ↗ permit so that's what I I know that's

27:35 ↗ what I do even in the City of Issaquah

27:37 ↗ they they're pretty regimented about

27:39 ↗ making me comply to to the city of

27:41 ↗ issaquah's building permits and those

27:42 ↗ those time frames typically I know on my

27:45 ↗ project those time frames are very very

27:47 ↗ profound on my building permit and I

27:50 ↗ know when I'm supposed to or not

27:51 ↗ and so it is a function

27:54 ↗ of you as a citizen to inform the city

27:57 ↗ and because they don't really know the

28:00 ↗ city doesn't know unless someone lets

28:01 ↗ them know because there's 500 houses

28:03 ↗ being developed around here so it would

28:05 ↗ be important for you to call and

28:07 ↗ complain code enforcement and then

28:09 ↗ someone could come out and take a look

28:11 ↗ at it and kind of enforce their time of

28:14 ↗ construction and my last question

28:16 ↗ run out of time it's just that partial

28:19 ↗ that it still belongs to you guys that

28:21 ↗ is the big one behind this shoe are you

28:23 ↗ guys going to develop anything around it

28:25 ↗ like community space because I saw in

28:27 ↗ the proposal that is already kind of

28:29 ↗ abroad for Access between the two

28:31 ↗ Parcels so that is

28:33 ↗ inside that one parcel

28:35 ↗ are you guys going to develop anything

28:37 ↗ more besides that road that connects the

28:40 ↗ two Parcels no and there should not be a

28:43 ↗ road that connects the two parts Parcels

28:45 ↗ to from the main parcel to parcel C

28:47 ↗ because there is a space in between

28:50 ↗ there that is protected also so our road

28:52 ↗ comes in from the right side of the

28:54 ↗ building and comes up and stops and then

28:56 ↗ has what we call a hammerhead turn

28:58 ↗ around to turn around so there's no

29:00 ↗ through there is no that the white thing

29:03 ↗ between the two Parcels is not a road no

29:05 ↗ there's actually a pedestrian pathway if

29:09 ↗ you remember on your on on the 10 homes

29:11 ↗ there's currently a pathway that

29:14 ↗ probably goes halfway down the hill

29:15 ↗ correct and it stops yeah and and we

29:18 ↗ will be connecting that to Newport Way

29:20 ↗ okay but it has to be done

29:24 ↗ via as as much as possible by hand

29:29 ↗ because of the steep slopes so um I I

29:32 ↗ have not walked the Inniswood 10 portion

29:35 ↗ of that pathway but I've been up there

29:38 ↗ by the big rock Have You Been by the big

29:39 ↗ rock I I don't know what it means in

29:41 ↗ kind of in the middle of the project

29:42 ↗ there's this massive rock that I call

29:46 ↗ it's a pretty interesting feature but we

29:48 ↗ will be connecting your project and if

29:51 ↗ you remember the project behind you has

29:54 ↗ a pathway also that goes to that

29:56 ↗ existing neighborhood I don't know if

29:58 ↗ you're familiar with that or not all the

30:00 ↗ way at the end of your name of your

30:01 ↗ driver next to the woods into that older

30:04 ↗ subdivision yes

30:07 ↗ well thank you for the opportunity for

30:09 ↗ voicing my concerns thank you for your

30:11 ↗ comments thank you

30:15 ↗ next up we have David

30:18 ↗ please State your first and last name

30:19 ↗ for the record and you'll have about

30:20 ↗ five minutes for your comments and

30:22 ↗ concerns

30:25 ↗ thank you David kapler 255 Southeast

30:28 ↗ Andrew Street I can remember commenting

30:30 ↗ about this thing a long time ago I

30:34 ↗ believe as a council member perhaps

30:35 ↗ rather than a private citizen the trail

30:38 ↗ issue was my issue then and the

30:42 ↗ inadequacy of what I thought as a design

30:46 ↗ in terms of steepness and that and I I

30:49 ↗ was looking for that trail on the

30:52 ↗ materials that I saw online and I didn't

30:54 ↗ see anything about that and I'm glad to

30:55 ↗ hear that just make sure it's

30:58 ↗ builders to last there and this isn't

31:02 ↗ safe

31:03 ↗ the tree issue gets complicated we do

31:07 ↗ have significant issues with lemonade

31:10 ↗ rot and the Douglas fir trees in the

31:13 ↗ city and and joining the city and I it

31:18 ↗ sounds like that's not branches that

31:19 ↗ come down with that that problem though

31:21 ↗ but hopefully that can review the the

31:25 ↗ safety issue but keeping that Forest at

31:28 ↗ Hillside is also very important thank

31:31 ↗ you

31:32 ↗ Council me or Commissioners mayor

31:35 ↗ comment on that is okay to comment on

31:37 ↗ that yeah please okay so uh just for the

31:40 ↗ public to know uh as I believe it and

31:42 ↗ I've been involved with this from the

31:45 ↗ beginning I do believe that the short

31:48 ↗ plat not the 10 lots that are up on top

31:51 ↗ but the short plot of the of the major

31:53 ↗ lower portion part of the conditions of

31:57 ↗ the short plaid approval is to connect

31:59 ↗ the pathway from the existing

32:02 ↗ subdivision the 10 lot subdivision and

32:05 ↗ Newport way so I personally have

32:08 ↗ physically walked up that Hillside and I

32:11 ↗ see what we'll need to do

32:14 ↗ um I know generally in my mind how the

32:17 ↗ construction of that will work I do a

32:20 ↗ lot of underground utility construction

32:21 ↗ and uh together with housing so I have a

32:24 ↗ pretty good idea how we're going to do

32:26 ↗ that without bringing machines up there

32:29 ↗ and it will be it'll be a lot of hand

32:32 ↗ work and a lot of probably railroad tie

32:34 ↗ type of of work but we're going to make

32:37 ↗ that pathway connected to for the people

32:40 ↗ that live there and I don't know sir if

32:42 ↗ you lived there but I know this lady

32:43 ↗ does there was an old path from an

32:46 ↗ existing subdivision more than 10 years

32:48 ↗ ago and so that was not developed but

32:51 ↗ now that is developed and then the

32:54 ↗ pathway through the 10 houses go about

32:56 ↗ halfway down the hillside now so we'll

32:59 ↗ be connecting that in this in this

33:01 ↗ subdivision

33:02 ↗ in this in this project

33:07 ↗ there is no one else signed up to speak

33:09 ↗ tonight but I will give an opportunity

33:10 ↗ if there's anyone else in the room who

33:12 ↗ would like to make a comment tonight

33:15 ↗ doesn't appear so

33:17 ↗ anyone else online no one else online

33:22 ↗ now the fun starts

33:25 ↗ exactly

33:26 ↗ uh okay we'll close the public comment

33:29 ↗ uh portion now thank you for your

33:32 ↗ comments and questions not a good move

33:34 ↗ uh to open the floor to the

33:36 ↗ Commissioners do any of the

33:37 ↗ Commissioners have comments or questions

33:39 ↗ for the applicant

33:43 ↗ Mr chair I do have some questions and

33:46 ↗ and I guess one question for you would

33:48 ↗ you like to have our our questions first

33:50 ↗ about the project and then have comments

33:52 ↗ at the end

33:53 ↗ I think they can be mixed uh however you

33:56 ↗ prefer to do it is fine you know that

33:59 ↗ the idea is to encourage a discussion

34:01 ↗ here so we're not being very formal

34:02 ↗ about it whatever you prefer we'll be

34:04 ↗ able to go around and

34:06 ↗ sure well I'll limit it to questions at

34:08 ↗ this point thank you for coming in and

34:10 ↗ putting everything together

34:12 ↗ um the uh through block passage I'm

34:16 ↗ trying to

34:17 ↗ understand

34:20 ↗ um seems to me we have a long site we

34:23 ↗ have a long parcel and the idea of a

34:26 ↗ through block passage is if you're over

34:28 ↗ 300 feet you need a three block passage

34:30 ↗ to cut through that site and it sounds

34:33 ↗ like with the winner if you're talking

34:35 ↗ about a through block passage that goes

34:38 ↗ um with the grain I guess of the site as

34:41 ↗ opposed to cutting through it which is

34:43 ↗ the design

34:45 ↗ so it doesn't seem to me that your

34:47 ↗ winner actually is a through block

34:49 ↗ passage the way it's intended in the

34:51 ↗ code

34:52 ↗ yeah I mean I think our site is unique

34:54 ↗ in that we just have the Newport Way

34:57 ↗ Frontage and there's no Street or

35:00 ↗ Pathways up the hill that we connect

35:03 ↗ through to

35:05 ↗ um

35:05 ↗ so really we were trying to come up with

35:08 ↗ site design where we could get

35:11 ↗ units at the back of the site and going

35:14 ↗ through the city of viscua design

35:17 ↗ standards a through block passage that

35:20 ↗ section we kind of looked through and we

35:23 ↗ were under the impression that

35:25 ↗ in order to get those units back there

35:26 ↗ we needed to provide some sort of

35:28 ↗ through block passage and

35:32 ↗ with the constraints of the topography

35:34 ↗ and the slope and dealing with all of

35:36 ↗ that we thought the mixed mode through

35:38 ↗ black passage running parallel to

35:40 ↗ Newport Way

35:42 ↗ would work in order to get those access

35:45 ↗ to the units at the rear of the site

35:47 ↗ sure and and totally understand the

35:49 ↗ wonderful idea I think it's a great idea

35:51 ↗ and understand the access it's just that

35:53 ↗ I don't think that's meets the intention

35:55 ↗ of the code and be curious what staff

35:56 ↗ thinks about that or any of the other

35:58 ↗ Commissioners I do believe you have it

36:00 ↗ with the stairwell that goes through

36:02 ↗ yeah we do have two what we call

36:04 ↗ secondary through block passages yeah

36:05 ↗ that connect Newport way to our Wu nerve

36:08 ↗ yeah and I think that's that essentially

36:11 ↗ needs it yeah would you be able to pull

36:13 ↗ up the site plan because I was curious

36:15 ↗ about some of the other

36:16 ↗ is there just the one stairwell and

36:18 ↗ there are a couple other portions that

36:20 ↗ were behind or between buildings and it

36:22 ↗ wasn't clear if that was just

36:24 ↗ landscaping or so yeah if you go so

36:27 ↗ basically yeah between buildings three

36:29 ↗ and four is a secondary pedestrian only

36:32 ↗ through block passage that goes up to

36:33 ↗ the winner and then further to the north

36:36 ↗ to the right

36:37 ↗ um

36:38 ↗ along the kind of site access we also

36:41 ↗ have a second pedestrian only secondary

36:44 ↗ through block passage

36:46 ↗ um so we thought it made sense to have

36:48 ↗ pedestrian access along you know the

36:51 ↗ main site entrance and then obviously

36:53 ↗ with the length of our property we

36:56 ↗ wanted a second one that would provide

36:59 ↗ access and it aligned nicely with our

37:02 ↗ mixed use or multiple use community

37:05 ↗ space which I think is great yeah and

37:08 ↗ then so those other two we see in the

37:10 ↗ middle there are

37:12 ↗ um just lands just landscape yeah

37:13 ↗ between the buildings yeah okay could

37:16 ↗ you slide perhaps to the I guess um

37:18 ↗ would be the left of the end of the road

37:23 ↗ um and up a little bit there where we

37:26 ↗ can

37:28 ↗ um not with the

37:29 ↗ is it yeah the very end of the driveway

37:32 ↗ there where there's the one parking saw

37:34 ↗ and as I understand the uh the fire

37:36 ↗ trucks and so forth would use that

37:38 ↗ recreational area as a turnaround right

37:41 ↗ um it just seemed to me I guess a

37:43 ↗ concern that if I'm going to visit

37:44 ↗ somebody there and I'm end up going past

37:47 ↗ their home and I get down to the end

37:50 ↗ I guess I'm just sort of doing my

37:52 ↗ classic 30-point turn at the end to try

37:55 ↗ to get my car back turned around to to

37:58 ↗ get back the other way or if if nobody's

38:00 ↗ in that that guest spot that could be

38:02 ↗ used to help turn around

38:04 ↗ um there is

38:06 ↗ um a certain there's about 13 and a half

38:08 ↗ feet from the drive aisle to those back

38:12 ↗ tuck under units so there is a little

38:14 ↗ stretch of driveway that isn't for

38:16 ↗ parking but it is a driveway

38:18 ↗ um that could also be used because that

38:20 ↗ the mixed mode through block passage is

38:22 ↗ 40 feet wide with a 20-foot Drive aisle

38:25 ↗ if you will oh okay but it is a really

38:27 ↗ wide so it's a pretty wine yeah so I

38:30 ↗ think if somebody were to accidentally

38:33 ↗ go down there it shouldn't be too big of

38:35 ↗ an issue to turn around unless they have

38:37 ↗ a really big truck or something but yeah

38:38 ↗ in that case they could just back out

38:40 ↗ and use the fire truck turn around maybe

38:41 ↗ great yeah okay and then um I guess one

38:45 ↗ of the things that was I didn't see in

38:47 ↗ the package at least good visuals of

38:49 ↗ what the the street Frontage would look

38:52 ↗ like and I know this is just Community

38:53 ↗ Conference but um it does seem like that

38:55 ↗ will be one of the most important things

38:57 ↗ of seeing as you talked about in the in

38:59 ↗ the package about some of the

39:01 ↗ landscaping and what it would look like

39:03 ↗ any elevation differences between those

39:06 ↗ entrances in the street and how it all

39:08 ↗ looks I think that'll be an important

39:10 ↗ part of the projects yeah yeah

39:11 ↗ absolutely

39:13 ↗ um I know at this point we

39:15 ↗ we have a lot of

39:17 ↗ or not a lot of we have the main issue

39:19 ↗ or the one the main challenge or

39:21 ↗ opportunity with this site is really the

39:23 ↗ topography and making everything work

39:26 ↗ um so getting down to the details of the

39:28 ↗ landscaping and stuff like that we'll

39:29 ↗ get there

39:30 ↗ um but right now it's just kind of

39:32 ↗ conceptual but I agree yeah that

39:33 ↗ Frontage along Newport Way is going to

39:36 ↗ be really important

39:37 ↗ um and we'll work hand in hand with core

39:39 ↗ who's the landscape on this project to

39:41 ↗ make sure you know provides a nice

39:43 ↗ pedestrian and bicycle friendly

39:45 ↗ environment along Newport Way and it and

39:48 ↗ it sounded like from reading that

39:50 ↗ perhaps you didn't know exactly what the

39:51 ↗ roadway was going to be like the city is

39:53 ↗ going to do with Newport but you know

39:55 ↗ exactly where you need to be in terms of

39:58 ↗ your sidewalk

40:00 ↗ and so forth can you believe so for the

40:02 ↗ most part okay I believe we're pretty

40:05 ↗ close there yeah what you yeah

40:09 ↗ we put that out several different

40:11 ↗ so you can build it the way it needs to

40:13 ↗ be and not have to tear it back up yeah

40:15 ↗ yeah great okay thank you those are my

40:17 ↗ questions thank you

40:20 ↗ are the commissioners

40:24 ↗ I have some basic questions

40:26 ↗ um looking at your your site plan there

40:28 ↗ the the light green is at your site

40:30 ↗ limits as far as construction goes

40:33 ↗ the light green I'm sorry yeah light

40:35 ↗ green uh plan north of your your uh

40:37 ↗ Townhomes up up the slope so all that

40:40 ↗ light green is basically just uh

40:42 ↗ landscape space with no

40:44 ↗ um is there an intent to

40:47 ↗ um

40:48 ↗ do some slope stabilization above the

40:51 ↗ above the homes

40:53 ↗ that's kind of a concern and then how do

40:55 ↗ you intend to take the water away

40:58 ↗ um especially when I read that the storm

41:00 ↗ drainage plan is is still still there's

41:04 ↗ like you said there it will happen uh do

41:07 ↗ you have a plan being in case that

41:08 ↗ modification doesn't work do you have

41:11 ↗ any comment on that Sherry

41:17 ↗ sorry could you step all the way up to

41:19 ↗ the mic thanks

41:21 ↗ hi um Sherry maratha with Core Design

41:23 ↗ I'm a civil engineer

41:25 ↗ all of those retaining walls will have

41:28 ↗ drains at the bottom that would capture

41:29 ↗ the water that comes from the slope and

41:32 ↗ direct it either to the Vault or to the

41:35 ↗ Wetland across the street depending on

41:36 ↗ where it naturally should go

41:38 ↗ so that's how we'll take care of any

41:39 ↗ water coming down from the site on that

41:41 ↗ Hillside and then the parking here is

41:43 ↗ that separated with an oil water

41:44 ↗ separating for for capture of we'd be

41:47 ↗ doing with one ball that will be kind of

41:50 ↗ under that multi that community space

41:53 ↗ and that will take care of all the water

41:55 ↗ on site and provide water quality

41:57 ↗ treatment as well as detention

41:59 ↗ and then the Newport Way Frontage and

42:01 ↗ the lower rust of those units that front

42:04 ↗ Newport Way would go to we would for

42:06 ↗ holding to expand the existing fault

42:08 ↗ across the street and that would provide

42:10 ↗ the water quality treatment and

42:12 ↗ detention yeah that's actually where I'm

42:14 ↗ I'm kind of going that that's your count

42:16 ↗ on that to work in case it doesn't work

42:18 ↗ do you have a plan B in other words what

42:21 ↗ I read in the the documents was it's

42:23 ↗ there wasn't enough information

42:25 ↗ to say it's good or good or good or bad

42:28 ↗ so that's just something a flank for me

42:32 ↗ um well we had we we sized The Vault we

42:35 ↗ know the side besides the Vault

42:37 ↗ um on site to accommodate the necessary

42:41 ↗ flows and volumes and we also have

42:43 ↗ modeled The Vault across the street of

42:46 ↗ how much extra space we would need to

42:47 ↗ expand that fault to accommodate the

42:49 ↗ additional water

42:51 ↗ okay I guess I'm what I'm trying to get

42:52 ↗ to is if the expansion of the existing

42:55 ↗ Vault isn't isn't green lighted do you

42:58 ↗ have are you do you have a pivot plan to

43:00 ↗ address the stormwater not not at this

43:03 ↗ time we would address that if we get

43:05 ↗ there okay and then the kind of to

43:07 ↗ piggyback on commissioner Morgan as far

43:10 ↗ as access goes when

43:12 ↗ uh a garbage truck goes in there do they

43:16 ↗ do they just drive in then back out no

43:19 ↗ for we we have to provide through the

43:21 ↗ garbage company we have to provide like

43:23 ↗ an auto turn analysis shows how they get

43:25 ↗ in and out in a pretty detailed plan and

43:27 ↗ they have to prove the access that we

43:30 ↗ give them to pick up garbage that's what

43:32 ↗ we did for the previous project and

43:33 ↗ we'll do that again for this project

43:36 ↗ uh one last question on the so one

43:39 ↗ section you had with the I guess the two

43:41 ↗ stories that are they're acting as

43:43 ↗ retaining walls those just my other

43:46 ↗ concern about that is just a it's a

43:47 ↗ large probably a 20-foot wall that

43:49 ↗ that's got to be designed for

43:52 ↗ you know seismic activities and and

43:54 ↗ loads just the comment thank you thanks

44:00 ↗ commissioner Gilbert

44:02 ↗ hi

44:04 ↗ um I have a question about the parking

44:06 ↗ so I noticed for parcel C there are

44:10 ↗ three units but four parking spaces and

44:13 ↗ for parcel B there are 27 units and I

44:16 ↗ believe seven parking spaces

44:20 ↗ um and it seems like the parking on

44:22 ↗ personal C is not going to be really

44:24 ↗ available to the units

44:27 ↗ um on parcel B is there any way to

44:32 ↗ create access for those parking spaces

44:35 ↗ or have you considered redesigning

44:37 ↗ the parking to where it's really

44:39 ↗ available for the people who are going

44:40 ↗ to be using it thank you

44:43 ↗ yeah I mean we were

44:45 ↗ the intent with those spaces is those

44:49 ↗ will be guest spaces so

44:51 ↗ um each townhouse unit has two garage

44:54 ↗ stalls which meets the code I believe is

44:57 ↗ the I think that's the maximum

45:00 ↗ um

45:01 ↗ and then all of the on-site spaces are

45:04 ↗ just for guests

45:06 ↗ um ideally yeah we'd like to have I

45:08 ↗ guess more on the larger parcel if

45:10 ↗ possible

45:11 ↗ um but we're trying to just maximize the

45:13 ↗ space as best we can

45:15 ↗ um and that smaller parcel we do have

45:17 ↗ the space for some additional guest

45:19 ↗ parking so we we added it in in terms of

45:23 ↗ providing access from those stalls over

45:25 ↗ to the larger parts that is something we

45:27 ↗ could explore with some maybe a

45:29 ↗ pedestrian connection between the two

45:32 ↗ um it is challenging though with the

45:34 ↗ slope

45:35 ↗ going down through there we are going to

45:36 ↗ have that trail that connects from above

45:39 ↗ um but there might be some possibilities

45:43 ↗ for connecting you know those guest

45:45 ↗ spots to the larger parcel

45:49 ↗ I have another question

45:52 ↗ um it's about The Pedestrian access

45:55 ↗ across Juniper Street is there going to

45:58 ↗ be another maybe a crosswalk that's

46:00 ↗ going to be put in at Juniper Street

46:02 ↗ across Newport

46:04 ↗ I'm I'm not sure that would be ideal I

46:07 ↗ think

46:08 ↗ um to connect across Newport way because

46:11 ↗ that can get pretty busy

46:13 ↗ um I don't know if that's something

46:15 ↗ that's been explored

46:17 ↗ um but I imagine that's something we

46:19 ↗ could look into with the city

46:20 ↗ yeah I can jump in on that so the public

46:23 ↗ works department is working through the

46:25 ↗ Newport Way roadway improvements so

46:27 ↗ there are three roundabouts uh Juniper

46:30 ↗ Newport Juniper Holly and there's one

46:33 ↗ other along there so there's one at the

46:34 ↗ intersection of this and there are

46:35 ↗ crosswalk features proposed it's in the

46:38 ↗ final stages and Public Works is

46:41 ↗ coordinating will be coordinating on the

46:43 ↗ review

46:44 ↗ to align right-of-way improvements and

46:48 ↗ clarify that

46:50 ↗ we can look to make sure that that's

46:52 ↗ included moving forward

46:56 ↗ commissioner should we just go down the

46:58 ↗ line and we're around no more so some of

47:01 ↗ my questions have already been addressed

47:03 ↗ so I appreciate the responses so far

47:06 ↗ um

47:07 ↗ the um

47:09 ↗ the mixed mode through block area on the

47:12 ↗ site that runs between the the buildings

47:15 ↗ on the upper site versus those that

47:16 ↗ front down on Newport Way can you talk a

47:19 ↗ little bit more about how you're going

47:20 ↗ to treat that space you call it

47:22 ↗ pedestrian amenities is this just going

47:24 ↗ to be

47:25 ↗ paved over and and Blended together you

47:28 ↗ won't be able to differentiate I notice

47:29 ↗ you have stamped concretely can you talk

47:31 ↗ a little bit more about what that space

47:33 ↗ between the the two sides of the project

47:36 ↗ will uh be like

47:39 ↗ yes

47:40 ↗ um so yeah I think the in the intent

47:42 ↗ obviously like I said there's there's

47:44 ↗ still some things we need to work out

47:46 ↗ um in terms of what it will look like

47:48 ↗ specifically

47:49 ↗ um but what we're envisioning at this

47:51 ↗ point is primarily a pedestrian and

47:54 ↗ bicycle friendly passageway through the

47:57 ↗ site that can also accommodate Vehicles

47:59 ↗ so it's primarily going to be used for

48:02 ↗ pedestrians

48:03 ↗ um but Vehicles can use it to access the

48:05 ↗ private garages

48:07 ↗ um

48:08 ↗ I'm envisioning seating sidewalks

48:11 ↗ plantings which is not really reflected

48:14 ↗ in this site plan

48:16 ↗ um because we just yeah like I said

48:17 ↗ we're still kind of on the early stages

48:19 ↗ of this

48:20 ↗ um but a typical winner will it'll look

48:23 ↗ like a pedestrian

48:25 ↗ walkway more than a vehicle driveway if

48:29 ↗ you will

48:30 ↗ um

48:31 ↗ but we could provide some additional

48:33 ↗ information when we do submit for STP to

48:36 ↗ kind of give a better idea of what that

48:38 ↗ will look like and that's something I

48:41 ↗ think Sherry and I can coordinate on and

48:44 ↗ working out kind of what the specific

48:45 ↗ features could be in that space

48:48 ↗ yeah I I just uh comment on that I think

48:51 ↗ um that'll be an important space for the

48:53 ↗ people who live in this project more

48:55 ↗ than just pavement I think is you know

48:57 ↗ probably

48:59 ↗ um

48:59 ↗ going to make it more enjoyable to bring

49:01 ↗ in so uh yeah I think additional details

49:04 ↗ when you come back would be helpful on

49:05 ↗ that and just to get a sense for how

49:07 ↗ that blends uh in with the project

49:10 ↗ buildings and and what's the kind of on

49:13 ↗ great experience for the folks that live

49:14 ↗ there uh I'm struggling I'm sorry maybe

49:17 ↗ I missed it somewhere but that you

49:19 ↗ talked about the trail coming from the

49:22 ↗ project above where does it

49:24 ↗ pass through to catch the Newport Way uh

49:27 ↗ if in in the if you look at the white

49:29 ↗ line between the two two projects

49:32 ↗ so that's not the exact line but that is

49:36 ↗ where the trail goes from Newport way up

49:39 ↗ the Hillside and then can we move that

49:41 ↗ up a little bit

49:43 ↗ that the picture does it does it go into

49:45 ↗ the adjacent properties

49:48 ↗ just a little bit not much so it does

49:51 ↗ wind and again the important thing about

49:53 ↗ the trail is it's not going to go for

49:56 ↗ instance like in that white straight

49:57 ↗ line it's going to have to you know

50:00 ↗ Meander up Steep and and halfway between

50:03 ↗ the track Theory and now is for all

50:06 ↗ intense purposes a dead end trail that

50:10 ↗ Summit homes put in with their 10 houses

50:12 ↗ and the older subdivision that had a

50:15 ↗ pathway through there also so right now

50:17 ↗ it's kind of a path to nowhere

50:20 ↗ yeah

50:21 ↗ great but it will a serpentine down

50:23 ↗ somehow yeah got it yes that I was

50:26 ↗ confused by the straight line so I got

50:28 ↗ it so you absolutely need to make some

50:30 ↗ turns to make it more uh negotiable yeah

50:33 ↗ so one more question you did Show an

50:34 ↗ example of uh the retaining wall

50:37 ↗ treatment uh with the soil nail solution

50:41 ↗ so

50:42 ↗ um when you come into the driveway

50:44 ↗ access the main Drive access

50:47 ↗ there looks like you've got a number of

50:49 ↗ retaining walls right there right so

50:52 ↗ um on the where's North on this one it's

50:54 ↗ kind of on the North

50:57 ↗ um

50:58 ↗ East a little bit but anyways you come

51:00 ↗ at the on the driveways on the right

51:02 ↗ side there you go can you talk a little

51:04 ↗ bit about what's the visual going to

51:07 ↗ look I don't know how high these

51:08 ↗ retaining walls would be I think you

51:09 ↗ said you're going to try to keep them at

51:10 ↗ 10 feet or less and then you're going to

51:12 ↗ tear them yes talk a little bit about

51:14 ↗ what the

51:15 ↗ visual experience is going to be there

51:17 ↗ because you're going to be looking at a

51:19 ↗ steep drive and then call retaining

51:21 ↗ walls there so yeah so those rotating

51:23 ↗ walls will be held 10 feet maximum in

51:26 ↗ terraced so

51:28 ↗ a rough kind of calculation looking at

51:32 ↗ the grade as it exists we'll need I

51:34 ↗ think more or less two 10 foot retaining

51:37 ↗ walls with some green space in between

51:39 ↗ for plantings

51:41 ↗ um and so I I think at the towards the

51:45 ↗ bottom of uh I guess the approach

51:49 ↗ um I think there will be a little bit

51:51 ↗ shorter but as you move up they could

51:53 ↗ reach the 10 foot Max

51:55 ↗ um

51:56 ↗ and as for you know the specifics of of

51:58 ↗ what it could look like

52:00 ↗ um the example that we provided at the

52:01 ↗ end is one option

52:03 ↗ um Our intention is not to do something

52:06 ↗ that's flat and blank we're going to

52:09 ↗ integrate our landscape and small shrubs

52:12 ↗ and trees if possible if we have the

52:14 ↗ room to kind of soften those retaining

52:17 ↗ walls we are aware that it is you know

52:20 ↗ that is a

52:21 ↗ um it's I guess it's just it's a it's a

52:24 ↗ necessary

52:25 ↗ thing that we have to do in order to get

52:27 ↗ the access there

52:30 ↗ during our pre-app one of the comments

52:33 ↗ was you know where the the main access

52:35 ↗ to the site is located

52:37 ↗ um and feedback we got on that was to

52:40 ↗ try to pull it as far away from juniper

52:41 ↗ as possible to help alleviate you know

52:44 ↗ turning traffic in this area so

52:47 ↗ um that's why it's located where it's

52:49 ↗ located

52:50 ↗ if we were to locate it between

52:52 ↗ buildings you know the buildings

52:54 ↗ themselves could help retain some of

52:56 ↗ that grade and minimize the site

52:58 ↗ retaining wall

53:00 ↗ but if you know one of the driving

53:02 ↗ forces of locating that drive access is

53:04 ↗ pulling it as far away from juniper then

53:06 ↗ this is kind of this is the solution we

53:08 ↗ came up with okay great yeah so I I

53:10 ↗ guess the how that's treated will be

53:13 ↗ important yeah because of that if I may

53:15 ↗ step in here I'm I too am looking at

53:17 ↗ that and I'm also looking at other

53:20 ↗ projects in different jurisdictions and

53:23 ↗ counties and so forth and a couple

53:25 ↗ things that comes to my mind there's

53:26 ↗ some maybe some type of

53:29 ↗ for lack of better words and I don't

53:31 ↗ know how it would work yet but a trellis

53:34 ↗ that could have an ivy growing on it

53:35 ↗ that might be a nice feature to soften

53:38 ↗ that wall depending on the distance

53:40 ↗ between the the First wall and the

53:43 ↗ second wall but that could be a way to

53:45 ↗ soften it up great thank you

53:49 ↗ commissioner Dillon

53:51 ↗ I'm going to follow up a little bit on

53:53 ↗ commissioner Gilbert and commissioner

53:55 ↗ Brennan's questions and in terms of the

53:58 ↗ parking and the the intended use of the

54:01 ↗ vunner

54:03 ↗ um with only limited visitor spaces in

54:06 ↗ that bigger section

54:09 ↗ I would anticipate that there are going

54:10 ↗ to be people coming to visit friends who

54:12 ↗ aren't going to have access to those

54:14 ↗ spaces and

54:16 ↗ there's no parking down along Newport

54:18 ↗ with the bike lane there their tendency

54:21 ↗ is going to be to park along along the

54:24 ↗ side and and block off some of that

54:25 ↗ space which

54:27 ↗ um is again is going to snarl up access

54:30 ↗ I'm sure parking will be signed or it

54:32 ↗ will probably be signed as no parking

54:34 ↗ allowed but just in terms of

54:36 ↗ functionality if it seems like it would

54:40 ↗ be worth

54:41 ↗ exploring to see if you can find any

54:43 ↗ other options to shift some of that

54:45 ↗ parking over there because I I

54:47 ↗ anticipate that it would be an issue

54:50 ↗ okay yeah that's

54:52 ↗ um definitely something we'll take note

54:54 ↗ of and and see if there's some

54:56 ↗ adjustments we can make to the site to

54:58 ↗ get some more guest parking on this

55:00 ↗ larger parcel

55:04 ↗ any others can uh commissioner Dillon

55:07 ↗ did you have any others no okay

55:10 ↗ um I want to talk just a little bit

55:12 ↗ about the wound Earth also

55:15 ↗ um could you pull up uh Emily maybe if

55:19 ↗ you have the SIDS the ud

55:21 ↗ 2210 that's referred to in the packet

55:27 ↗ I think it's probably around page PDF

55:30 ↗ 289 or something like that

55:39 ↗ thank you yeah no that's good right

55:42 ↗ there uh we can go up to

55:45 ↗ uh

55:46 ↗ yeah let's even if we could come up and

55:49 ↗ just start with zero and we'll come down

55:50 ↗ to two two in a minute one two in a

55:52 ↗ minute okay right here

55:55 ↗ so

55:57 ↗ here we see that

56:00 ↗ it may be limited to pedestrian and bike

56:02 ↗ use only or it can be mixed mode and

56:04 ↗ include limited vehicle access right and

56:07 ↗ if you could slide down a little bit

56:11 ↗ for the mix mode passages when Vehicles

56:15 ↗ need access to loading drop-off

56:17 ↗ deliveries or on-site

56:19 ↗ down at the bottom of that page

56:21 ↗ inappropriate for that type of winoff

56:24 ↗ would be disconnected or dead end

56:26 ↗ passages right

56:29 ↗ okay if we could now slide down a little

56:31 ↗ bit to the I think it's 1.2 where we're

56:34 ↗ looking at the mixed mode

56:36 ↗ yeah it's the next one right there thank

56:38 ↗ you

56:40 ↗ so

56:42 ↗ here we see that appropriate would be

56:45 ↗ traffic calming devices planting

56:48 ↗ pedestrian lighting seating and so on

56:51 ↗ and the idea under description it says

56:55 ↗ passages must be designed to ensure that

56:57 ↗ pedestrian and bicycle are prioritized

57:00 ↗ and the motor vehicle is the guest okay

57:04 ↗ okay so if if we could slide down there

57:07 ↗ on on the inappropriate area

57:11 ↗ inappropriate would be detached garage

57:13 ↗ carport or parking stalls fronting the

57:16 ↗ passage

57:18 ↗ primarily paved

57:20 ↗ um so

57:23 ↗ in our winner it seems to me isn't this

57:26 ↗ a dead end passage that we have here

57:29 ↗ it doesn't really connect on one side at

57:31 ↗ all right it just goes into a hill

57:34 ↗ yes yeah yeah and uh is this really

57:39 ↗ mixed use or is it really just

57:40 ↗ residential only

57:43 ↗ it's residential only okay and we do

57:46 ↗ have three parking stalls right that

57:48 ↗ front this correct they're open parking

57:51 ↗ stalls

57:52 ↗ yes okay we've seen that that's

57:54 ↗ inappropriate for a winner right

57:56 ↗ and and these all of these garages back

58:00 ↗ onto this

58:01 ↗ through black passage correct so that's

58:04 ↗ 27 units 54 garage doors is that correct

58:08 ↗ yeah or yeah or a single 18-foot white

58:11 ↗ garage right and so there's also a plan

58:14 ↗ to have pedestrian traffic in here and

58:17 ↗ bicycle traffic and there's a there's a

58:20 ↗ play area out there so I guess a

58:22 ↗ fundamental concerns about all of this

58:25 ↗ going on in an area that isn't really a

58:30 ↗ winner I don't think according to the

58:32 ↗ spirit and the letter of what's in the

58:34 ↗ SIDS

58:35 ↗ I'm not saying that we need to take out

58:38 ↗ half the hillside to connect to

58:39 ↗ something else but my concern is that if

58:43 ↗ we approve this use of a mixed-use wuner

58:46 ↗ that we are setting a precedent here

58:49 ↗ possibly for other approvals of passages

58:53 ↗ like this and I think really what we

58:55 ↗ have here is closer to an alley

58:58 ↗ do you have any response to that yeah so

59:01 ↗ I mean

59:02 ↗ the challenge we're having is is

59:04 ↗ providing access to the entry of the

59:07 ↗ rear row of of town homes at the back of

59:10 ↗ the property

59:12 ↗ um

59:13 ↗ we were under the impression that

59:15 ↗ the mixed mode

59:17 ↗ through block Passage would work for

59:21 ↗ what we are proposing in that it is a

59:24 ↗ residential use

59:26 ↗ um everyone primarily using this wound

59:30 ↗ Earth would be residents

59:32 ↗ specifically because it is not going all

59:36 ↗ the way through the property

59:38 ↗ um so I guess the likelihood of

59:41 ↗ somebody not familiar with the site

59:44 ↗ coming on site would be

59:46 ↗ pretty miniscule

59:49 ↗ um

59:49 ↗ but I understand what you're saying and

59:51 ↗ I know I think our site is is unique in

59:54 ↗ that

59:55 ↗ we don't really connect it's not really

59:57 ↗ a block if you will it's just fronting

59:59 ↗ Newport Way and so how to get access to

1:00:03 ↗ that rear uh row of units sure

1:00:06 ↗ absolutely and I guess maybe it's a

1:00:09 ↗ comment or question for staff more than

1:00:11 ↗ for the applicant obviously vehicles

1:00:13 ↗ have to be able to get in and out of

1:00:15 ↗ there and this project has to be

1:00:18 ↗ responsive to the code as it currently

1:00:21 ↗ is at least that's my understanding uh

1:00:23 ↗ however I think in the draft code that

1:00:27 ↗ before the city councilor will be soon

1:00:29 ↗ there is an attempt in there to exempt

1:00:32 ↗ properties that have dead-end situations

1:00:34 ↗ just like this from requiring a through

1:00:36 ↗ black Passage so I don't know if that's

1:00:39 ↗ something we could look at in this case

1:00:40 ↗ I think what you've designed there

1:00:42 ↗ certainly is functional to get it on in

1:00:44 ↗ and out of the buildings but for us to

1:00:46 ↗ call that a mixed mode through block

1:00:48 ↗ passage I think is stretching the intent

1:00:50 ↗ in the letter or the original intent of

1:00:52 ↗ that uh pretty far so

1:00:56 ↗ um and I I think staff suggested there's

1:00:58 ↗ going to be a second through block

1:00:59 ↗ passage in the same area The Pedestrian

1:01:01 ↗ bike only through block will need to be

1:01:04 ↗ added to the site providing primary

1:01:06 ↗ building entrance to units not running

1:01:08 ↗ Newport Way so is there I guess this

1:01:10 ↗ clearly a question for staff is there

1:01:12 ↗ going to be a second passage there how's

1:01:15 ↗ that going to work that comment was in

1:01:17 ↗ line with what you're saying that staff

1:01:18 ↗ doesn't view the mixed mode passage as

1:01:21 ↗ adhering to the SIDS so it

1:01:24 ↗ in the pre-application packet that was

1:01:27 ↗ submitted there was a different design

1:01:29 ↗ that had a pedestrian-only pathway along

1:01:33 ↗ the top of the ones that were in the

1:01:35 ↗ wall

1:01:36 ↗ the ones that are built into the

1:01:38 ↗ hillside so the intent of that section

1:01:40 ↗ of the staff report was agreeing with

1:01:42 ↗ what you're saying that the mixed mode

1:01:44 ↗ does not meet the intent for the site

1:01:46 ↗ okay thanks

1:01:48 ↗ uh just one more comment that was on the

1:01:50 ↗ Craftsman style in the Juliet balcony

1:01:52 ↗ there that seemed to me to step out a

1:01:56 ↗ bit from the craftsman style the sliding

1:01:59 ↗ glass door and uh the it looks like

1:02:01 ↗ white railing out in front there so I

1:02:04 ↗ don't know if you could soften that a

1:02:05 ↗ little bit or use different colors on it

1:02:07 ↗ or something but there are probably

1:02:08 ↗ examples of that in craftsman style and

1:02:10 ↗ I'm just not aware of it but that seemed

1:02:12 ↗ to step out a bit to me okay thanks

1:02:14 ↗ thank you thanks

1:02:16 ↗ any other questions or comments from

1:02:19 ↗ Commissioners commissioner Morgan thank

1:02:21 ↗ you I'd like to jump in on the through

1:02:23 ↗ block passage because I

1:02:25 ↗ I don't believe the winner is a through

1:02:26 ↗ black passage and and it doesn't meet

1:02:29 ↗ the code if Emily could you go back to

1:02:31 ↗ the Sid's description that talked about

1:02:33 ↗ the first paragraph they talked about

1:02:34 ↗ the through block Passage

1:02:44 ↗ at the very beginning

1:02:47 ↗ when I talked about the need for one

1:02:53 ↗ so passages shall be provided breakup

1:02:56 ↗ blocks over 240 feet in length or width

1:02:59 ↗ so

1:03:01 ↗ my feeling it's always intended for if

1:03:04 ↗ we've got really long Parcels we don't

1:03:06 ↗ want a 240 foot long building and that

1:03:09 ↗ was the intent of the through block

1:03:10 ↗ passage or

1:03:13 ↗ fences or whatever that would stop

1:03:15 ↗ people from getting through the Wonder I

1:03:18 ↗ think is a great idea I think it's just

1:03:20 ↗ to access those back units it's like a

1:03:23 ↗ driveway and a parking lot and I think

1:03:26 ↗ it's great I don't think it needs to be

1:03:28 ↗ intended intended as a through block

1:03:30 ↗ passage I think you've created it with

1:03:33 ↗ The Pedestrian walkway that you show on

1:03:35 ↗ the plans that go from it goes from

1:03:37 ↗ Newport up to the upper level that truly

1:03:40 ↗ breaks up the block and gives you that

1:03:42 ↗ pedestrian access through to the other

1:03:45 ↗ units

1:03:46 ↗ I would just go with that call that your

1:03:48 ↗ three block passage and and let the

1:03:50 ↗ wounder stand on its own which

1:03:52 ↗ I think is a great part of the project

1:03:54 ↗ so

1:03:55 ↗ yeah I think the

1:03:58 ↗ the uncertainty that from from our

1:04:00 ↗ perspective is

1:04:02 ↗ providing the front entrance for those

1:04:06 ↗ rear units I believe there's something

1:04:08 ↗ somewhere in the code

1:04:10 ↗ that says a front entry for residential

1:04:14 ↗ unit has to be on a through block either

1:04:16 ↗ a street or a through block Passage

1:04:19 ↗ oh and I hope I'm wrong but I believe

1:04:23 ↗ there's it's in there somewhere and so

1:04:26 ↗ that's what kind of dictated everything

1:04:28 ↗ uh call it a three block pass yes even

1:04:31 ↗ though it's not really but that's a way

1:04:33 ↗ to get those units back there to have

1:04:36 ↗ the front entry on the downhill side and

1:04:38 ↗ not on the high side okay

1:04:40 ↗ um because we did try to get a

1:04:42 ↗ pedestrian only through block passage on

1:04:44 ↗ the high side of the site but there's

1:04:47 ↗ just there wasn't enough room to get a

1:04:50 ↗ 20-foot alley the unit and then a 20

1:04:52 ↗ foot wide primary through block Passage

1:04:55 ↗ that accesses the the front entrance of

1:04:58 ↗ those rear units

1:05:00 ↗ um okay so that's the challenge well

1:05:02 ↗ hopefully hopefully staff can work with

1:05:04 ↗ you somehow on them because again I

1:05:05 ↗ don't

1:05:06 ↗ I don't think that's the intent of a

1:05:08 ↗ through black passage just to go

1:05:10 ↗ parallel to that

1:05:12 ↗ um and it would seem to be what you're

1:05:13 ↗ doing works well for layout and design

1:05:15 ↗ for people to get in there I don't think

1:05:18 ↗ I wouldn't disagree at all with the way

1:05:19 ↗ you've laid it out and the access people

1:05:21 ↗ would get so

1:05:22 ↗ um and I do want to comment on the

1:05:24 ↗ design and meeting the Craftsman

1:05:26 ↗ designed I would agree on the Juliet

1:05:28 ↗ balconies I think but otherwise

1:05:29 ↗ beautiful looking buildings

1:05:32 ↗ um good colors the roof lines all that

1:05:35 ↗ stuff it's it's um it's great to see

1:05:38 ↗ somebody designed a building that fits

1:05:40 ↗ in one of those categories that we have

1:05:42 ↗ and I think be a great addition now I

1:05:44 ↗ guess finally I would I would not be a

1:05:46 ↗ big proponent on trying to add a lot

1:05:48 ↗ more parking in that

1:05:51 ↗ um I know we're dependent upon the car

1:05:53 ↗ but this is a great location for people

1:05:55 ↗ that can get out and walk or drive

1:05:56 ↗ electric bikes or those kind of things

1:05:59 ↗ and we'd want to encourage people to

1:06:01 ↗ spend less time in their cars maybe they

1:06:03 ↗ don't use both of their parking stalls

1:06:05 ↗ and guests can come visit that way so I

1:06:08 ↗ wouldn't necessarily think you need to

1:06:09 ↗ have any more cars parking stalls

1:06:12 ↗ and you have already so thank you Mr

1:06:15 ↗ Dylan did you have a comment

1:06:18 ↗ um yeah I was just wondering if you

1:06:19 ↗ could redefine that since it isn't

1:06:22 ↗ really meeting the intent of a through

1:06:24 ↗ black passage if if you could redefine

1:06:26 ↗ that as a private street that would then

1:06:29 ↗ provide you that street access to the

1:06:31 ↗ VAC units and really looks like

1:06:34 ↗ functionally

1:06:36 ↗ what it will be it would still obviously

1:06:38 ↗ be a conduit for people who live there

1:06:40 ↗ for pedestrian access and things like

1:06:42 ↗ that but you probably don't want to

1:06:44 ↗ encourage a lot of off-site bikes and

1:06:46 ↗ pedestrians for the the safety issues

1:06:48 ↗ that were kind of brought up before and

1:06:50 ↗ that

1:06:51 ↗ um yeah the the

1:06:53 ↗ pedestrian stairway entrance that then

1:06:55 ↗ connects up and through to the the

1:06:57 ↗ community space seems like that would

1:07:00 ↗ meet any requirements for a through

1:07:02 ↗ block passage right yeah and I think for

1:07:05 ↗ you know our Our Hope with this meeting

1:07:08 ↗ and our kind of our second submittal

1:07:09 ↗ with this project was to get feedback on

1:07:12 ↗ kind of our approach because we weren't

1:07:15 ↗ quite sure if this was a viable approach

1:07:18 ↗ um we thought it was we we thought there

1:07:20 ↗ was a path in the development and design

1:07:23 ↗ standards to get it to work but

1:07:26 ↗ obviously it helps to get feedback from

1:07:29 ↗ the city and the development commission

1:07:31 ↗ to uh to see what our options are and

1:07:33 ↗ what makes the most sense so

1:07:36 ↗ thanks for your feedback

1:07:38 ↗ commissioners of the comments

1:07:39 ↗ commissioner Brennan thank you Mr chair

1:07:41 ↗ so just a few uh comments on the

1:07:45 ↗ discussion we just had about through

1:07:47 ↗ block passage and access as I commented

1:07:51 ↗ earlier I think I agree I think the way

1:07:54 ↗ that this is laid out is is the right

1:07:58 ↗ way to go given the site constraints

1:07:59 ↗ we've got a very steep site this the

1:08:02 ↗ three block passage is is uh really

1:08:04 ↗ appropriate when you're dealing with

1:08:07 ↗ um kind of more intense large Urban

1:08:08 ↗ blocks and the whole idea is to give

1:08:10 ↗ pedestrians easy passage without to walk

1:08:14 ↗ all the way around large buildings and

1:08:16 ↗ projects this is a very different

1:08:17 ↗ character

1:08:18 ↗ smaller scale on a hillside so we've got

1:08:22 ↗ to balance what we're trying to do with

1:08:24 ↗ the design and the code at the same time

1:08:27 ↗ recognizing the site constraints and the

1:08:29 ↗ the need to protect the critical areas

1:08:32 ↗ too that are impacted by the project and

1:08:34 ↗ minimize that as much as possible so I

1:08:36 ↗ that's why I was focused on how we're

1:08:38 ↗ going to treat that ornith area so

1:08:42 ↗ um not just about the vehicles in there

1:08:44 ↗ but it's about the The Pedestrian

1:08:46 ↗ experience for people that live there

1:08:48 ↗ because they don't spend time out of

1:08:51 ↗ their cars hopefully in that space uh

1:08:53 ↗ kids will others so I think that that

1:08:56 ↗ design will be important as has already

1:08:58 ↗ been talked about you know being

1:09:00 ↗ attentive to the frontage along Newport

1:09:02 ↗ Way and that's the that's the public

1:09:05 ↗ face of the building that most people

1:09:06 ↗ will see so I think you know what you

1:09:09 ↗ come back with in in some of the

1:09:10 ↗ detailing on that will be really

1:09:12 ↗ important great opportunity I like the

1:09:14 ↗ concept idea I think that you've played

1:09:16 ↗ out so far I think that's really

1:09:19 ↗ important the retaining wall treatment

1:09:21 ↗ we all sound like we're in agreement we

1:09:23 ↗ don't want to have some big tall blank

1:09:25 ↗ gray concrete walls so treatment of the

1:09:28 ↗ the walls particularly those that are

1:09:30 ↗ visible from the road but even for the

1:09:32 ↗ the folks that are on the project you

1:09:34 ↗ don't want to be staring at the side of

1:09:35 ↗ a big concrete wall

1:09:37 ↗ um

1:09:38 ↗ the um

1:09:41 ↗ the the

1:09:42 ↗ trail great opportunity for connectivity

1:09:45 ↗ and how that happens but doing that

1:09:47 ↗ delicately because you're dealing with a

1:09:49 ↗ not only challenging topography but

1:09:52 ↗ again you're in a critical area but that

1:09:54 ↗ that connection that trail connection I

1:09:56 ↗ think is a really important Community

1:09:58 ↗ amenity as we try to connect our

1:10:00 ↗ neighborhoods together and get people

1:10:01 ↗ out on their feet by doing it in a way

1:10:04 ↗ that they can do it safely as they come

1:10:05 ↗ down that slope or back up again for

1:10:07 ↗ that matter

1:10:08 ↗ and just I guess

1:10:10 ↗ um finally the ownership option um not

1:10:13 ↗ that the code drives that but it's it's

1:10:15 ↗ good to see

1:10:17 ↗ um more homes for ownership

1:10:20 ↗ um being presented to the market I think

1:10:21 ↗ that's an important uh kind of middle

1:10:23 ↗ housing need in the community so I

1:10:26 ↗ appreciate that objective here as well

1:10:29 ↗ thank you Mr chair

1:10:31 ↗ thanks any other comments or questions

1:10:33 ↗ commissioner Dillon I guess one one

1:10:36 ↗ other

1:10:37 ↗ thought on connection with the trail as

1:10:40 ↗ commissioner Brennan was was mentioning

1:10:42 ↗ is

1:10:44 ↗ um whether there is an opportunity and

1:10:48 ↗ I'm kind of looking at your topography

1:10:49 ↗ and where it cuts off and I don't know

1:10:51 ↗ how far it drops down in that in that

1:10:54 ↗ interim space between the two Parcels

1:10:57 ↗ but it looks like it's fairly a long

1:10:59 ↗ grade and whether there would be

1:11:00 ↗ opportunity for pedestrian

1:11:04 ↗ path to connect from the end of that

1:11:06 ↗ that one of that access road

1:11:09 ↗ directly down to to the trail to kind of

1:11:12 ↗ further that connection yeah I think

1:11:14 ↗ that would be a good opportunity there

1:11:16 ↗ to provide another

1:11:18 ↗ pedestrian path to connect kind of all

1:11:21 ↗ of the different circulation elements

1:11:27 ↗ other comments questions

1:11:29 ↗ one more commissioner Arcada

1:11:33 ↗ actually I just want to acknowledge you

1:11:34 ↗ have a very difficult site and some real

1:11:37 ↗ challenges and I appreciate the effort

1:11:39 ↗ you're doing

1:11:40 ↗ thank you very much appreciate that

1:11:44 ↗ any others

1:11:48 ↗ thanks and thanks to our applicant

1:11:50 ↗ tonight so development commission

1:11:53 ↗ comments and questions are closed

1:11:55 ↗ for this evening

1:11:57 ↗ now I'd like to ask staff to provide any

1:11:59 ↗ updates on city council activities or

1:12:02 ↗ meetings

1:12:04 ↗ sure I can provide a brief update on the

1:12:06 ↗ title 18 process so PPC provided their

1:12:10 ↗ final recommendation to the council

1:12:13 ↗ committee at the end of last month

1:12:15 ↗ Council committee will be meeting again

1:12:16 ↗ this month February 28th and then from

1:12:20 ↗ there it'll move on to Council of the

1:12:22 ↗ whole and then on to council for a

1:12:25 ↗ hearing and a final hearing and then

1:12:26 ↗ Final deliberations in April and May as

1:12:30 ↗ kind of the tentative schedule at this

1:12:31 ↗ point so

1:12:34 ↗ it's been moving along and taking in a

1:12:37 ↗ great number of comments from some of

1:12:39 ↗ you many members of the public and it's

1:12:43 ↗ been a

1:12:44 ↗ a good learning experience for me kind

1:12:46 ↗ of getting on board

1:12:48 ↗ as we go so that's pretty much the one

1:12:51 ↗ the one item that's been moving forward

1:12:54 ↗ that uh

1:12:55 ↗ report on

1:12:57 ↗ okay thank you any other items of

1:12:59 ↗ business or announcements from staff

1:13:01 ↗ tonight

1:13:02 ↗ I think only that uh

1:13:07 ↗ seeking of commission members will begin

1:13:09 ↗ or kind of has already probably begun

1:13:11 ↗ with the administrator's office reaching

1:13:14 ↗ out to the community and to any members

1:13:16 ↗ that have their their seat uh ending I

1:13:20 ↗ think April at the end of April this

1:13:22 ↗ year for the year 2023 so always

1:13:26 ↗ appreciate everyone putting in the time

1:13:29 ↗ and looking forward to working with this

1:13:30 ↗ group and any new members

1:13:32 ↗ great thanks very much

1:13:35 ↗ is there any other business before the

1:13:37 ↗ commission tonight

1:13:39 ↗ they're being no further business this

1:13:41 ↗ meeting is adjourned at 7 44 pm thank

1:13:45 ↗ you

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