Development Commission · Wednesday, June 6, 2018 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Development Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission reviews all land Christopher Wright, use actions requiring a Level 3 review. The Project Oversight Manager Commission further serves as an advisory board to Email the City Council on land use actions requiring council approval (Level 5 review). Regular Members 2019 – Michael Brennan The appearance of fairness doctrine prohibits 2019 – Randolph Harrison Development Commission members and City 2020 – Melvin Morgan Council members from discussing the merit of 2020 – Kevin Price specific land use development applications outside 2022 – Jasmina Mihova of the formal public meeting process. Citizens, 2022 – Richard Sowa however, may discuss any issue with the City's 2022 – Richard Sanford Development Services Department. Written comments are also welcome. Alternate Members 2019 – Ryan Roeter Membership 2019 – Vacant…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of May 2, 2018

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CITY OF ISSAQUAH Development Commission MINUTES May 2, 2018 City Hall South 135 E. Sunset Way Council Chambers Issaquah, WA 98027

3. AGENDA ITEMS

Follow Up Discussion: Roof Form for Gilman Lofts (SDP17-00003), (I/NQ)

Lucy Sloman, Land Development Manager

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0:23 ↗ good evening ladies gentlemen it's seven

0:27 ↗ o'clock so we're going to get started

0:29 ↗ like to welcome the members of the

0:31 ↗ public here and appreciate it we're

0:32 ↗ gonna have a public hearing on the

0:35 ↗ revision to the Issaquah middle school

0:36 ↗ land use permit and also a second agenda

0:39 ↗ item is a follow-up discussion on the

0:40 ↗ roof' form of gilman lofts so I would

0:44 ↗ request if we we don't have a sign-in

0:47 ↗ it's being passed around okay if you

0:49 ↗ wish to speak we've got a sign-in sheet

0:51 ↗ would like you to fill that in and with

0:54 ↗ your name and address and your social

0:57 ↗ security number we won't sell back you

0:59 ↗ know we don't want your social security

1:01 ↗ numbers though so we do have some order

1:05 ↗ of business of approving some minutes in

1:07 ↗ a second so I hope some of the

1:09 ↗ commissioners have had a chance to read

1:11 ↗ those and would like to hear a

1:17 ↗ recommendation if anybody has summer I

1:22 ↗ move mr. cherry move approval of the May

1:25 ↗ second 2018 meeting minutes okay second

1:29 ↗ motion has been made and seconded is

1:31 ↗ there any discussion Corrections okay

1:35 ↗ all those in favor of approving the

1:36 ↗ minutes please say aye I host so I'd

1:41 ↗ like to introduce Nishita who is our

1:44 ↗ newest development commission member

1:46 ↗ who's here we have two other new members

1:49 ↗ they were unable to attend tonight so

2:06 ↗ so good evening Development Commission

2:09 ↗ in public I'm Lucie sloman land

2:12 ↗ development manager for development

2:14 ↗ Services Department our first order of

2:16 ↗ business is the Issaquah middle school

2:19 ↗ sports field lighting revision it is a

2:23 ↗ quasi-judicial matter for which we have

2:26 ↗ done a public hearing notice and so I'm

2:30 ↗ going to go through our standard

2:31 ↗ quasi-judicial process which I'm sure

2:35 ↗ many of you are familiar with so a

2:38 ↗ quasi-judicial permit is treated we

2:43 ↗ review it as if we're in a court and the

2:46 ↗ proceedings have to be both fair and

2:48 ↗ appear fair what that means is that we

2:51 ↗ follow procedural due process and

2:54 ↗ substantive due process procedural due

2:57 ↗ process means that we give certain kinds

2:59 ↗ of notice and we follow a certain method

3:01 ↗ to make it clear and fair and we also

3:04 ↗ focus on the decision-makers

3:06 ↗ relationship to the applicant

3:09 ↗ substantive due process means that we

3:11 ↗ base the decision on adopted regulations

3:15 ↗ so the first piece of this is I will

3:19 ↗ have you read through the questions and

3:21 ↗ then I will ask you some questions are

3:24 ↗ about your answers to these questions

3:33 ↗ anyone how many people answer no to all

3:36 ↗ the questions anyone answered yes to any

3:41 ↗ of the questions ok great and then ex

3:45 ↗ parte communications means that all of

3:48 ↗ our discussions of this matter happen on

3:52 ↗ the record and in public and so my

3:55 ↗ question for you is has anyone discussed

3:58 ↗ or communicated about this permit

4:00 ↗ outside of these proceedings

4:02 ↗ no thank you does the applicant have any

4:08 ↗ challenge of any of the commissioners

4:10 ↗ okay so tonight we're going to talk

4:16 ↗ about the sports field lighting we had a

4:18 ↗ meeting just about two months ago to

4:22 ↗ have our initial conversation we've come

4:26 ↗ back with additional material and

4:28 ↗ information that we have gathered as did

4:31 ↗ the applicant and we have provided that

4:33 ↗ to you in a memo ahead of time I also

4:36 ↗ want to introduce another person who's

4:39 ↗ here this evening which is Denise Fong

4:41 ↗ she is the city's lighting consultant

4:44 ↗ and we asked her to attend in case there

4:46 ↗ were technical questions that the

4:48 ↗ Commission had so our purpose is to

4:53 ↗ allow for Commission and public

4:57 ↗ discussion as many of you know the is

5:01 ↗ Quan Middle School's master site plan

5:03 ↗ and site development permit were

5:05 ↗ approved in 2015 but this revision was

5:10 ↗ not shown in the drawings although it

5:12 ↗ was shown in the CEPA checklist I'll go

5:13 ↗ into this in a little more detail in a

5:15 ↗ moment but with we really wanted to

5:19 ↗ ensure that there was an opportunity for

5:21 ↗ public conversation before the revision

5:24 ↗ decision was made and this is going to

5:29 ↗ be a commission decision this could have

5:32 ↗ been an administrative decision because

5:34 ↗ it's a rather minor amendment but

5:36 ↗ because nothing was shown in the

5:38 ↗ original permits we wanted to ensure

5:41 ↗ that there was an opportunity for public

5:43 ↗ conversation and that's why

5:44 ↗ bringing it to the Commission who will

5:47 ↗ be the decision maker and decide if

5:49 ↗ there are any additional conditions

5:51 ↗ beyond those that were originally

5:53 ↗ imposed in 2015 so just to orient people

6:00 ↗ the sports field is here on the north

6:06 ↗ side is Evans Street on the west side is

6:10 ↗ 2nd Avenue and this is the new

6:14 ↗ middle school building the high school

6:17 ↗ is further to the south

6:19 ↗ oh I see what happened

6:23 ↗ sorry land use and zoning maps are not

6:28 ↗ really relevant to this decision but I

6:31 ↗ use this just to show what some of the

6:32 ↗ uses are in the surrounding areas I

6:35 ↗ imagine we have neighbors here this

6:37 ↗ evening we had neighbors here last time

6:39 ↗ I think it's important to recognize

6:40 ↗ where some of these nearby residential

6:43 ↗ uses are to the west on the other side

6:47 ↗ of the Rainier trail is multi-family

6:50 ↗ housing north of the site is some

6:54 ↗ single-family residential zoning and

6:57 ↗ homes also there is open space to the

7:02 ↗ east so the background we go through

7:09 ↗ this just because we know that there are

7:11 ↗ have been some questions about whether

7:13 ↗ sufficient SEPA review has taken place

7:15 ↗ so a CIPA checklist was submitted with

7:19 ↗ the original permit in the light and

7:22 ↗ glare portion of the sefa checklist

7:24 ↗ which is where an applicant declares

7:27 ↗ what kinds of impacts a project might

7:30 ↗ have they mentioned that there might be

7:33 ↗ there might be sports field lighting and

7:35 ↗ that Seba checklist was included as part

7:38 ↗ of the original staff report the MD

7:46 ↗ thank you for letting me know no I the

7:49 ↗ whole point is that people can hear so

7:50 ↗ thank you no good that was a good

7:53 ↗ interruption thank you

7:55 ↗ is that better so the decision on the

8:01 ↗ State Environmental Policy Act or SEPA

8:04 ↗ checklist is called well that there's

8:07 ↗ various kinds of decisions that can be

8:09 ↗ issued and one of them is a mitigated

8:11 ↗ decision of non significance which

8:14 ↗ basically means that with conditions it

8:17 ↗ does not have significant impacts and

8:18 ↗ that's what was issued in this case and

8:23 ↗ it was published in the newspaper as

8:25 ↗ required the sports fields were

8:27 ↗ mentioned the lighting was not mentioned

8:30 ↗ in the appeal period for that has closed

8:33 ↗ many years ago the drawings and staff

8:37 ↗ report for the review by the Commission

8:41 ↗ and Council did not include anything

8:44 ↗ about the lighting and in fact at that

8:47 ↗ time the applicant had said that there

8:50 ↗ was not going to be lighting but they

8:52 ↗ did a thorough review because there was

8:54 ↗ other lighting not sports field lining

8:56 ↗ but site lighting that they reviewed and

8:59 ↗ the permits were approved on May 18 2015

9:04 ↗ the site work permits for the middle

9:08 ↗ school were issued in two phases and the

9:11 ↗ second one was approved last August in

9:14 ↗ mid-january the city learned that spoil

9:17 ↗ sports field lighting was planned and

9:20 ↗ the school districts submitted a

9:24 ↗ revision to include the lighting while

9:28 ↗ we were kind of deciding what process

9:30 ↗ was necessary because the lighting had

9:32 ↗ not been previously shown the school

9:35 ↗ district poured the basis and installed

9:38 ↗ the lights at which time we issued a

9:40 ↗ stop work permit the day that they were

9:42 ↗ putting the lights in and I just note

9:45 ↗ that sports field lighting is an allowed

9:47 ↗ activity in the Municipal Code

9:52 ↗ so that's my introduction I'm now going

9:56 ↗ to go through the sort of topics that

9:59 ↗ are covered in the briefing response

10:01 ↗ memo these the questions concerns and

10:06 ↗ comments that were raised at the first

10:08 ↗ meeting and in letters that we received

10:11 ↗ from the public were consolidated into

10:14 ↗ topics and so that that's the way the

10:17 ↗ presentation is also organized so there

10:21 ↗ was a question about whether there were

10:22 ↗ any limits on the hours of use and no

10:25 ↗ limits were proposed however the city

10:28 ↗ limits the hours which lighted fields

10:31 ↗ they have a cut-off time for City fields

10:35 ↗ and City activities and so staff

10:37 ↗ proposed to use that same set of hours

10:40 ↗ in this situation there was also a

10:44 ↗ question about whether the school

10:46 ↗ district needed special event permits to

10:48 ↗ use the fields special events permits

10:52 ↗ are required when there's some kind of

10:54 ↗ extraordinary event and we don't

10:57 ↗ consider the games at the middle school

10:59 ↗ field extraordinary and by way of

11:03 ↗ example the high school never has to get

11:06 ↗ a special use permit for their games so

11:09 ↗ in conclusion we are proposing to set a

11:12 ↗ curfew of 10:00 p.m.

11:16 ↗ third question had to do with lighting

11:19 ↗ impacts there were complaints about how

11:22 ↗ much the lights already even before the

11:25 ↗ sports field lights were turned on how

11:26 ↗ much the lights from the school

11:28 ↗ buildings impacted neighbors there were

11:30 ↗ comments about how many trees have been

11:33 ↗ removed as part of the construction and

11:38 ↗ that there therefore were fewer of them

11:40 ↗ to screen the site there were concerns

11:42 ↗ that new the new technology that has

11:45 ↗ been proposed for the sports field

11:46 ↗ lighting would not be sufficient to

11:48 ↗ alleviate the impacts and there were

11:51 ↗ questions about how much the grades of

11:53 ↗ the surrounding houses might impact them

11:56 ↗ so this is a multi slide response so as

12:01 ↗ I mentioned all of the

12:04 ↗ that sports field lighting is an allowed

12:06 ↗ activity however in the first sim it'll

12:09 ↗ that we receive from the school district

12:11 ↗ this the materials we got did not meet

12:15 ↗ all the requirements of either the

12:17 ↗ Municipal Code section of 7 107 or the

12:22 ↗ conditions that were placed on the

12:24 ↗ permit so we have already sent it out

12:26 ↗ for Corrections and asked the school

12:29 ↗ district not to resubmit until we've

12:31 ↗ completed this process we also in

12:35 ↗ speaking with our lighting consultant

12:37 ↗ she had recommended that we not only you

12:42 ↗ know do all of our normal work in

12:43 ↗ reviewing the permits but that once the

12:46 ↗ lights are turned on that we actually go

12:48 ↗ out and measure the lights to ensure

12:52 ↗ that the lighting levels that are

12:56 ↗ allowed are actually that the lights are

12:59 ↗ performing as expected in trying to

13:05 ↗ better understand the lights and where

13:10 ↗ they could be seen from I went and drove

13:13 ↗ around the neighborhood what these

13:15 ↗ screen captures show is wherever there's

13:17 ↗ a blue dot is some of the places I

13:20 ↗ stopped so I tried to get to the

13:22 ↗ easternmost edge of each of the housing

13:26 ↗ along here I could not see any of the

13:28 ↗ sports lights from there now it may be

13:30 ↗ that either because the trees are leaked

13:33 ↗ out or from the actual units you might

13:35 ↗ see the sports lights but no one invited

13:38 ↗ me and so I had to evaluate it from my

13:40 ↗ car

13:42 ↗ then I visited three different sites

13:47 ↗ around the high school or the middle

13:49 ↗ school one was at 4th and Evans the

13:53 ↗ second one I walked along the sort of

13:55 ↗ interior walkway and took some

13:57 ↗ additional photos at the number two and

14:00 ↗ then I also at 3 along 2nd Avenue was

14:05 ↗ the other spot that I am providing

14:07 ↗ photos of so when I'm standing at this

14:11 ↗ intersection the lights are visible

14:15 ↗ the circles indicate where

14:17 ↗ the four lights would be as I walk down

14:21 ↗ the road or it's not really a road but a

14:23 ↗ pathway as I was standing at the top of

14:26 ↗ these stairs I could see the easternmost

14:30 ↗ building of the Windsong apartments

14:33 ↗ which you can see on the map up here and

14:37 ↗ then when you're down at second Avenue

14:39 ↗ you can see that the lights are quite

14:42 ↗ close to the roadway so I also looked at

14:48 ↗ the topography of the area so the

14:50 ↗ numbers that appear on this map are the

14:53 ↗ elevations of the land so this is

14:58 ↗ obviously before any of the construction

15:00 ↗ took place but in looking at the

15:02 ↗ construction drawings the sports field

15:04 ↗ will be at 165 elevation 165 the

15:09 ↗ neighborhood to the north is ranges from

15:12 ↗ 170 to 180 along this edge and goes up a

15:17 ↗ little bit as you move north the area to

15:21 ↗ the west is much further down at a

15:26 ↗ hundred and twenty elevation so when

15:30 ↗ you're at these various locations so

15:32 ↗ when I was for instance standing at 170

15:35 ↗ this is the way the lights appear and

15:38 ↗ you can see that not much of the bulb is

15:40 ↗ visible however standing down here both

15:46 ↗ because it's lower and because I'm right

15:50 ↗ I think even more because I'm right

15:52 ↗ underneath them the bulbs are very

15:54 ↗ visible and I just include this photo

15:58 ↗ from the manufacturers website because

16:01 ↗ it gives a better image that they have

16:03 ↗ installed what the configuration of that

16:07 ↗ is so the homes to the west are most

16:12 ↗ susceptible to seeing the bulbs that's

16:14 ↗ that's where the brightest impact would

16:16 ↗ come from if you can see the bulbs so

16:19 ↗ it's both a factor of elevation vertical

16:23 ↗ elevation and horizontal distance the

16:26 ↗ further the higher you are and/or the

16:28 ↗ further you are the less likely you are

16:30 ↗ to see

16:31 ↗ the bulbs I did discuss with our

16:35 ↗ lighting consultant weather shortening

16:37 ↗ the poles would improve things and she

16:41 ↗ said actually not that as you shorten

16:45 ↗ the poles you have to actually turn the

16:48 ↗ shields up to get the light has to be

16:51 ↗ more horizontal to light the field so

16:53 ↗ that by being taller it keeps the light

16:57 ↗ much more restricted and you're less

16:59 ↗ likely to see the bulbs from off site it

17:04 ↗ is important to say that when I was out

17:06 ↗ there as I mentioned a moment ago and in

17:09 ↗ these pictures the trees are mostly

17:11 ↗ leaved out and we certainly have heard

17:13 ↗ reports from homeowners in the area that

17:17 ↗ light is seeping through the leaves at

17:19 ↗ all times of the year so the two sort of

17:24 ↗ conclusions that we had one was that we

17:28 ↗ want to add an inspection condition that

17:30 ↗ we would go out and measure the lights

17:32 ↗ the second condition which is a new one

17:35 ↗ and is provided on your motion sheet is

17:39 ↗ to inspect the lights to ensure that

17:42 ↗ because the bulbs bulbs are more visible

17:45 ↗ when you're down on Second Avenue that

17:48 ↗ it would not be a hazard for drivers

17:50 ↗ because the bulbs are visible so you

17:53 ↗ can't we'll look at that language in a

17:56 ↗ minute there were concerns about off

18:00 ↗ site impacts this is question number

18:02 ↗ four about traffic and parking and

18:05 ↗ enforcement and cut through drivers an

18:07 ↗ amplified sound all the streets in the

18:12 ↗ neighborhood to the north are public

18:14 ↗ streets which means they are available

18:16 ↗ for anyone to use in a legal way but if

18:20 ↗ people are driving in an unsafe manner

18:22 ↗ or parking illegally within city streets

18:26 ↗ the Squa police department is the entity

18:30 ↗ that would be able to enforce that

18:34 ↗ however some of the streets for instance

18:37 ↗ Evans east of the are in front of and

18:43 ↗ east towards the Gun Club

18:45 ↗ is a private street owned by the school

18:47 ↗ district as well as parking within the

18:51 ↗ middle school site and that would be the

18:53 ↗ responsibility of the school district to

18:55 ↗ enforce illegal parking or unsafe

18:59 ↗ driving on-site parking

19:02 ↗ exceeds the requirements and should be

19:07 ↗ available at night since school is not

19:09 ↗ in session

19:10 ↗ and the school district has said there

19:12 ↗ won't be any amplified sound the CEPA

19:19 ↗ questions there was concerns as I

19:22 ↗ mentioned that we should get to zero

19:27 ↗ impacts that impacts were not studied

19:30 ↗ sufficiently the school district is its

19:34 ↗ own lead agency staff had an opportunity

19:37 ↗ to review the decision the person the

19:41 ↗ staff member who did that work is no

19:43 ↗ longer working at the city of is quoi

19:45 ↗ Mike Brennan stole him away and so we're

19:49 ↗ not able to ascertain what he you know

19:53 ↗ what he reviewed and in what way he

19:55 ↗ reviewed it but the appeal period is

19:58 ↗ closed and there haven't been any

20:02 ↗ changes that are inconsistent with what

20:05 ↗ was shown in the checklist and so our

20:09 ↗ suspicion is that if if the existing

20:13 ↗ code addresses the impacts then

20:15 ↗ additional conditions are not typically

20:18 ↗ applied and so that was part of why we

20:21 ↗ were asked to check in with the city

20:23 ↗ attorney to confirm that approach and

20:27 ↗ that was he concurred with that approach

20:32 ↗ that were using there were many

20:36 ↗ questions about construction permits

20:38 ↗ whether structural review whether we're

20:40 ↗ doing a lighting peer review whether

20:43 ↗ more trees were going to be removed and

20:46 ↗ whether the fact that this was the

20:47 ↗ school district impacted the way we

20:50 ↗ reviewed the permits we have not

20:53 ↗ structurally reviewed the lights yet

20:55 ↗ we are going to have to have special

20:59 ↗ inspections we have been discussing what

21:02 ↗ those would be to determine that once we

21:05 ↗ agree that the structural bases are

21:09 ↗ designed correctly some kind of special

21:12 ↗ review to determine that the

21:14 ↗ construction actually complies with it

21:16 ↗ will be necessary we do not know have

21:20 ↗ any trees that would additional trees

21:22 ↗ that would be removed the trees they've

21:26 ↗ already built most of the site work

21:29 ↗ permit and so all the trees that were

21:31 ↗ necessary to be removed have been

21:33 ↗ removed

21:35 ↗ Denise Fong will be our peer reviewer

21:38 ↗ she's already looked at the first middle

21:39 ↗ and will continue to review and she has

21:42 ↗ provided comments already and we do

21:46 ↗ review all permits in the same manner

21:51 ↗ one of I believe it was the Commission's

21:56 ↗ questions had to do with how various

22:01 ↗ fields who uses them what hours what

22:04 ↗ kind of sports and the parks department

22:09 ↗ was kind enough to assemble that

22:11 ↗ information and provide it to us this is

22:15 ↗ the same material you had in your packet

22:17 ↗ so and that was provided to the public

22:22 ↗ there were a lot of comments about unmet

22:24 ↗ obligations related to the permits and I

22:27 ↗ think the short answer is they are still

22:29 ↗ building improvements we have not given

22:33 ↗ them a we have not inspected and said

22:38 ↗ all the work is done and that will I

22:40 ↗ imagine come and come this summer this

22:42 ↗ some time and at that time we will

22:44 ↗ ensure that they match the permits that

22:46 ↗ were issued you saw this map last time

22:52 ↗ but I just brought it back in because I

22:55 ↗ think it may be a helpful part of our

22:56 ↗ discussion it was also included in your

22:59 ↗ packet and the conditions that we

23:04 ↗ proposed what we did was take the

23:07 ↗ conditions that were approved in

23:08 ↗ 2015 and propose edits to them mostly

23:14 ↗ what we're striking out is things that

23:16 ↗ don't make sense anymore because certain

23:18 ↗ all the rest of the permits have been

23:20 ↗ issued and then we've added conditions

23:24 ↗ based on the kinds of things that we've

23:28 ↗ discussed tonight ours inspections and

23:32 ↗ those kinds of things that we've

23:33 ↗ discussed so that concludes my

23:41 ↗ presentation unless you have any

23:42 ↗ questions before the applicant makes his

23:45 ↗ presentation make questions

23:49 ↗ commissioners okay we will we will be

23:53 ↗ opening this up for public comment but

23:55 ↗ we'll let the applicant speak first and

23:56 ↗ then after he speaks we'll open this up

23:58 ↗ for public comment and then we'll have

24:00 ↗ some discussion amongst the

24:02 ↗ commissioners Thank You Lucy evening

24:10 ↗ Steve Crawford director of capital

24:12 ↗ projects for this law school district

24:15 ↗ middle schools do have accurate

24:17 ↗ extracurricular activities and events

24:19 ↗ they have particularly heavy

24:20 ↗ participation in track and field events

24:22 ↗ and we do use lighting at to help extend

24:27 ↗ the usable hours events at middle

24:30 ↗ schools are not heavily attended events

24:32 ↗ there aren't large football games and

24:35 ↗ large audiences there's a minimal amount

24:37 ↗ of seating on the east side of the

24:40 ↗ football field track area Oh speak up a

24:48 ↗ little bit better

24:49 ↗ not true yes and there will be no

24:54 ↗ amplified sound system provided as a

24:56 ↗ part of this project and the the the

25:02 ↗ potential of lighting the field was

25:04 ↗ included in the CEPA we did address the

25:06 ↗ potential for spill we particularly

25:08 ↗ noted the potential for spill on to the

25:11 ↗ church to the north on the other side of

25:13 ↗ evans we did address the fact that we

25:16 ↗ would be stalling the latest additions

25:18 ↗ of LED lights we had similar

25:21 ↗ installation at Skyline High School that

25:24 ↗ went in before this process we were

25:28 ↗ quite confident that the new

25:31 ↗ technologies reduce the ambient glare

25:35 ↗ and spill onto adjacent properties

25:38 ↗ significantly from what has been seen in

25:41 ↗ field lighting in the halogen and sodium

25:45 ↗ type lighting in the past the community

25:52 ↗ as a whole does look to the school

25:54 ↗ district to help supplement the city

25:56 ↗ parks facilities and while the CEPA

26:02 ↗ addressed the potential for lighting of

26:05 ↗ the field it was not included in the

26:07 ↗ original construction process it wasn't

26:09 ↗ funded at that time later voter-approved

26:12 ↗ funding provided funding to provide

26:15 ↗ lighting at all of our middle school

26:16 ↗ fields and so we had a later date

26:19 ↗ decided to move forward with that in the

26:22 ↗ permitting process there was a over

26:27 ↗ zealous contractor who moved forward

26:30 ↗ before he should have we admit to that

26:34 ↗ and that's an unfortunate situation that

26:36 ↗ has been discussed but that was not an

26:40 ↗ intentional event but they got ahead of

26:44 ↗ themselves permit had been submitted but

26:47 ↗ it had not been approved on the screen

26:50 ↗ you can see a photometric map of the

26:53 ↗ glare and the field is the area that is

26:59 ↗ most intensely lit you can see that

27:02 ↗ as the lighting intensity falls off down

27:07 ↗ to the green areas through the yellow

27:10 ↗ that there is spill on to adjacent

27:13 ↗ school properties on the north side

27:16 ↗ there is some spill on Evans that

27:19 ↗ doesn't cross the right away and to the

27:22 ↗ west there's some spill that goes on to

27:24 ↗ portions of 2nd Avenue and then onto a

27:28 ↗ little bit of the transportation Center

27:30 ↗ School District property to the west I

27:34 ↗ do have some photos from skyline can we

27:39 ↗ stick those on to the system on a stick

27:47 ↗ yeah

28:00 ↗ [Music]

28:12 ↗ yep

28:36 ↗ there we go so these are some pictures

28:39 ↗ that were taken at Skyline actually last

28:41 ↗ night and the skyline uses the same

28:48 ↗ lighting technology as is planned and

28:52 ↗ has been proposed for the middle school

28:56 ↗ fields what this was taken shortly

29:01 ↗ before 10:00 p.m. what you can see is

29:03 ↗ that there is a high level of focus of

29:05 ↗ lighting on the field level itself the

29:08 ↗ playing field even as you cross the

29:11 ↗ track you start to see a significant

29:14 ↗ dimming of the spill and it reduces as

29:21 ↗ it is supposed to because the lighting

29:23 ↗ is focused on the field area a view from

29:26 ↗ the south end again you can see that the

29:28 ↗ playing surface is pretty well lit and

29:31 ↗ it starts darkening as you move away

29:33 ↗ from that even on the grandstands on the

29:36 ↗ old home side you can see that there's a

29:38 ↗ little bit of lighting that reaches the

29:41 ↗ lower level and the upper portion starts

29:44 ↗ to get really dim when we put the new

29:47 ↗ lighting in we had to go back and add

29:49 ↗ lighting on the open grandstand area

29:51 ↗ because there was not enough spill

29:53 ↗ lighting there to safely walk up and

29:56 ↗ down the steps in the grandstand this is

30:02 ↗ a view from the north side on the side

30:05 ↗ again the field area is pretty heavily

30:07 ↗ lit by the time you get to the back of

30:10 ↗ what was the stadium seating which isn't

30:11 ↗ very far away lighting levels pretty low

30:15 ↗ you can see that the lighting on 228 is

30:19 ↗ again much more intense and much

30:22 ↗ brighter than what you see from the

30:25 ↗ field area kind of a view of you from

30:29 ↗ the Northeast again high level of

30:32 ↗ lighting for the playing field surface

30:35 ↗ and by the time you move fairly far away

30:37 ↗ it's getting pretty dim so I think

30:41 ↗ that's a confirmation of the lighting

30:44 ↗ layer map that you see

30:47 ↗ and pretty well illustrates that the

30:50 ↗ ground-level glare is pretty well

30:52 ↗ contained far better than it used to be

30:54 ↗ with the old-style lighting systems and

30:56 ↗ we can go back to your slideshow anytime

31:01 ↗ you want do you want that one right yeah

31:03 ↗ and we can stay there so we do provide

31:09 ↗ fields and help to supplement

31:12 ↗ recreational facilities throughout the

31:14 ↗ community our fields are set up the

31:17 ↗ lights at skyline go off at 10:00 p.m.

31:19 ↗ it was actually about 10 o 3 last night

31:21 ↗ and they're there on a timer they go off

31:25 ↗ by themselves there's nobody that has to

31:27 ↗ be around to switch them off and that

31:30 ↗ provides for more than adequate use for

31:32 ↗ our school uses as well as provides the

31:35 ↗ ability for the community to have the

31:37 ↗ ability to utilize fields you'd be happy

31:43 ↗ to answer any questions but I think that

31:50 ↗ excuse me yes we'll be offering the

31:56 ↗ opportunity for the public to make

31:57 ↗ comment and then we'll be able to get

31:59 ↗ some and maybe get some answers that way

32:01 ↗ thank you

32:07 ↗ so if you would like to make a public

32:10 ↗ comment we've encouraged you to sign in

32:12 ↗ we'll keep track of that and I can call

32:16 ↗ you off in order I hope you indicated

32:22 ↗ with whether this was just comments for

32:24 ↗ the lighting or so a deal Azadi listened

32:33 ↗ sorry obviously one phone yeah tell us

32:42 ↗ your name and your address and then

32:45 ↗ we'll listen can you hear me okay no

32:48 ↗ okay what can you hear me now

32:51 ↗ better okay Kathleen Liz lot address

32:55 ↗ three eight zero southeast R Street

32:58 ↗ so Josh Street is in between dar Street

33:02 ↗ and the fields is the Episcopal Church

33:05 ↗ and the Episcopal Church had a in the

33:08 ↗ last eight days they've had six logging

33:11 ↗ trucks take out all of those trees

33:13 ↗ because they have an approved parking

33:15 ↗ lot going in so I now look directly

33:18 ↗ across through the parking right into

33:21 ↗ where the sports fields are and the

33:24 ↗ lights and I think that that's going to

33:27 ↗ cause a real problem not only from

33:28 ↗ myself and the amount of glare that's

33:31 ↗ going to be on from my house down to

33:34 ↗ about well at least six houses will have

33:37 ↗ a direct light I mean directly view of

33:40 ↗ the field but then we'll also have the

33:44 ↗ adjusted traffic in that area and I know

33:47 ↗ that traffic was brought up here before

33:48 ↗ and I know this isn't about the traffic

33:50 ↗ right but I've lived in that house for

33:53 ↗ 25 years we've asked for traffic

33:56 ↗ adjustments many many times and have

33:59 ↗ never gotten them so that circular

34:02 ↗ driveway with all the extra attention

34:06 ↗ and games that will be there or we

34:08 ↗ assume will be there there's going to be

34:10 ↗ even more traffic issues and I for one

34:13 ↗ would like to at least see speed bumps

34:15 ↗ stop sign more police activity something

34:19 ↗ and then I guess my last point would

34:21 ↗ just be personally I think 10 o'clock is

34:24 ↗ a little late for that neighborhood I

34:26 ↗ would rather have a time frame of 9

34:29 ↗ o'clock so I know that that would mean

34:31 ↗ starting games earlier but it would help

34:34 ↗ our neighborhood it's a very small

34:36 ↗ neighborhood and we'd like to kind of

34:38 ↗ keep it that way thank you thank you

34:42 ↗ Richard Denby

34:55 ↗ Richard Denby I live at 420 southeast

34:59 ↗ stars right next to Kate and we have a

35:03 ↗ direct line of sight to those lights and

35:06 ↗ when they were put in the reason I

35:08 ↗ brought up the idea or comment if you

35:11 ↗ lit Issaquah high school football field

35:15 ↗ is because with the lights that you have

35:16 ↗ shown us at at skyline are a high school

35:20 ↗ and they have football games that go on

35:23 ↗ and when Issaquah high school has

35:24 ↗ football game they double triple Park in

35:27 ↗ our front driveway just for the football

35:30 ↗ field already at Issaquah high school by

35:33 ↗ putting in a sports facility that's lit

35:36 ↗ until 10 o'clock at night we have an

35:39 ↗ ongoing huge problem with the idea of

35:41 ↗ parking and noise of people that are

35:43 ↗ coming into our neighborhoods to look

35:44 ↗ for a place to park there is not

35:46 ↗ adequate parking that's already at the

35:48 ↗ site now and at the conclusion of the

35:51 ↗ idea that they're gonna Park at the high

35:52 ↗ school will only take place is when they

35:55 ↗ filled up every single available street

35:58 ↗ spot in front of our homes I have the

36:02 ↗ police on my speed dial right now and

36:04 ↗ call them at least once a week about

36:06 ↗ high school parking right now and those

36:09 ↗ are people that go to the high school so

36:11 ↗ the idea that we would have until a 10

36:13 ↗ o'clock at night sports games with with

36:16 ↗ lights and I heard that there was going

36:18 ↗ to be no noise or the noise was gonna be

36:20 ↗ kept at a minimum I have a real problem

36:23 ↗ believing that that was going to be the

36:25 ↗ case

36:26 ↗ we have trash garbage parking rowdy

36:30 ↗ people people that that are not from

36:33 ↗ from our area parking in our front yards

36:35 ↗ and these are strangers that we don't

36:37 ↗ know that are coming to a field that is

36:39 ↗ for a middle school it's not a high

36:42 ↗ school football field it's a middle

36:44 ↗ school and so and key I get up at five

36:47 ↗ o'clock every single morning to go drive

36:50 ↗ a school bus the idea that that this

36:53 ↗ would be available until 10 o'clock at

36:54 ↗ night is really it almost is completely

36:57 ↗ unconceivable to me living across the

37:00 ↗ street on Darce street so those are my

37:03 ↗ main objectives and since the church did

37:06 ↗ clear out all of those trees that has a

37:09 ↗ exposed directly to our line of sight

37:11 ↗ these all these lights so those are my

37:16 ↗ main objections and mostly like I said I

37:18 ↗ called the police all the time about the

37:21 ↗ existing traffic right now they can't

37:24 ↗ control it the school will not control

37:27 ↗ it even though you've done the research

37:28 ↗ and said that the school itself is

37:30 ↗ supposed to be in charge of policing

37:33 ↗ their own street their own private

37:35 ↗ street whatever it is they don't do it

37:37 ↗ they won't do it so that leaves it all

37:39 ↗ up to us I pick up garbage every day I

37:42 ↗ can't even imagine what will happen when

37:44 ↗ this is lit up until at 10 o'clock at

37:46 ↗ night thank you Lynne Davis

38:01 ↗ hi I'm Lynn Davis I live at 420

38:04 ↗ southeast Evans Lane I'm not a good

38:07 ↗ public speaker so bear with me my jumbo

38:10 ↗ one question I had was in your

38:14 ↗ presentation was about the SEPA

38:16 ↗ checklist report has that been revisited

38:20 ↗ since all the trees have been removed

38:22 ↗ from the church of the impact of the

38:25 ↗ lighting and so forth

38:30 ↗ so um is Davis what happens is you speak

38:34 ↗ you can you're welcome to ask questions

38:37 ↗ okay we don't answer them right the

38:39 ↗ Commission

38:40 ↗ sorry the Commission can ask me to

38:42 ↗ answer it later on okay got it okay

38:44 ↗ so sorry there's no point in my list

38:46 ↗ here okay

38:48 ↗ this December will be 20 years that

38:50 ↗ we've lived in the same home I have four

38:52 ↗ amazing children that went through this

38:54 ↗ qual School District I love this

38:56 ↗ district but now it's hitting really

38:59 ↗ really close to home and as a date this

39:03 ↗ is really emotional for me sorry as of

39:05 ↗ what dick is when explained I don't know

39:09 ↗ why I'm being so emotional the impact of

39:15 ↗ the people with the school in the

39:18 ↗ beginning a few like five years or so it

39:22 ↗ wasn't that big a deal at all we would

39:23 ↗ have a few a little bit of impact of the

39:26 ↗ garbage yeah lots of students and so

39:29 ↗ forth well my children are going through

39:31 ↗ I was very easygoing yeah yeah they got

39:33 ↗ a park somewhere

39:34 ↗ yeah the crowds gonna be somewhere but

39:38 ↗ it has gotten way worse and so my

39:40 ↗ concern with the lighting is I'm so

39:43 ↗ stupid I'm sorry

39:48 ↗ okay my concern of opening this more to

39:54 ↗ the community to the public inviting

39:59 ↗ people that aren't in our community to

40:01 ↗ come and participate in my neighborhood

40:04 ↗ it'll just get worse you just caught it

40:08 ↗ just constantly just keeps changing when

40:11 ↗ the school parking lot was built up

40:13 ↗ above the high school parking lot that

40:16 ↗ is now gone from the middle because of

40:18 ↗ the middle school well we were told that

40:20 ↗ that gate would only be opened for

40:24 ↗ emergency and keep your word started

40:30 ↗ opening in I have a racetrack in front

40:33 ↗ of my house every morning every day in

40:37 ↗ the afternoon when the kids get out and

40:42 ↗ when there's events like games and stuff

40:44 ↗ you know you got your winners you're

40:46 ↗ happy you're excited it's gonna be loud

40:48 ↗ they're gonna be you know happy they won

40:51 ↗ so forth

40:52 ↗ the 50-50 and so anyway I just see this

40:56 ↗ would be my bedroom window is impacted

41:00 ↗ I'm a touch closer than Kate and dick

41:03 ↗ and I also agree with Kate about the ten

41:08 ↗ o'clock I think it's too late we would

41:15 ↗ not be able to come to sleep with events

41:17 ↗ getting out at 10 o'clock it just

41:19 ↗ wouldn't happen I am a light sleeper

41:22 ↗ what else do I want to tell you oh you

41:25 ↗ said about this sound that there would

41:27 ↗ not be any loud speakers well that's not

41:31 ↗ accounting for the crowds cheering less

41:35 ↗ than half a block from my house any

41:38 ↗ bands playing musical instruments

41:40 ↗ fireworks

41:42 ↗ it would not be quiet what else we can

41:50 ↗ already see the lights and I am not

41:52 ↗ impacted I'm not I'm not saying it all

41:54 ↗ but we can already see the lights from

41:55 ↗ the high school and but and we do hear

41:57 ↗ the noise from the high school when that

41:59 ↗ field is in use so if the

42:02 ↗ and you say that the middle school

42:04 ↗ crowds aren't as large in Issaquah I'd

42:07 ↗ like to say they are we are a great

42:10 ↗ community of supporting our families and

42:12 ↗ our kids and theirs when my kids were in

42:16 ↗ middle school doing track and so forth

42:17 ↗ there was a ton of parents there I mean

42:19 ↗ it's granted it's not football league

42:21 ↗ but there are a lot of people that come

42:24 ↗ to support their children in this

42:25 ↗ community and again on the in helping

42:30 ↗ with our little community of the parking

42:32 ↗ or the road in changes bowl downtown has

42:36 ↗ gotten there's gotten some changes to

42:38 ↗ help them alleviate their issue we had

42:41 ↗ nothing nothing changed or any

42:44 ↗ suggestions to help us oh and then

42:48 ↗ another little thing on the road is now

42:50 ↗ I have school buses they come through

42:54 ↗ cut through our neighborhood in the

42:56 ↗ afternoons and will actually sit with

42:58 ↗ their motors running right there at the

43:00 ↗ corner two to three deep waiting until

43:03 ↗ it's their turn to go up into the middle

43:04 ↗ school I think 9 o'clock oh and then

43:15 ↗ another question had was um as far as

43:17 ↗ rentals for other games and so forth

43:23 ↗ those crowds will be large my son played

43:27 ↗ lacrosse all since 5th grade all the way

43:30 ↗ through those are large good-sized

43:32 ↗ crowds for those games and I know

43:35 ↗ they're always hurting for field so I

43:39 ↗ believe the rentals will bring in larger

43:42 ↗ areas of people and they will look for

43:45 ↗ closer parking

43:46 ↗ I'm the worst candidate for hey if I can

43:49 ↗ park closer I'm going to do it I have a

43:51 ↗ lot more sympathy now for the

43:54 ↗ neighborhoods that I have done that

43:55 ↗ myself with it Mercer Island Bellevue

43:58 ↗ it's so forth in attending games so it

44:02 ↗ will impact a stronger in many ways and

44:06 ↗ his dick said to the garbage we pick up

44:08 ↗ garbage every day from fast-food lunches

44:12 ↗ of the kids dump

44:13 ↗ - sexual aids you name it it is all over

44:18 ↗ the place

44:19 ↗ so thank you thank you Mary Lynch

44:47 ↗ Mary closed the file up in oh yeah and

44:51 ↗ then it should pop up

45:10 ↗ here comes I think took a while to read

45:17 ↗ I was not able because of other

45:24 ↗ commitments to get pictures of the clear

45:27 ↗ cut but I just want to reiterate what's

45:29 ↗ already been said with the church those

45:32 ↗ trees though basically the old only

45:35 ↗ shielding that they have and that on

45:37 ↗ that side have been cut and removed but

45:44 ↗ I do want to show you some pictures that

45:45 ↗ I was able to get earlier this is before

45:49 ↗ the tree cutting was done so most of

45:51 ↗ these trees basically from here over to

45:54 ↗ here have been removed and so this is

45:57 ↗ looking in the community that the some

46:01 ↗ of the people are talking to tonight

46:03 ↗ this is from second Street before the

46:06 ↗ leaves came out walking along second

46:08 ↗ this is down on the trail which is

46:11 ↗ supposed to be somewhat of a nice trail

46:13 ↗ so this would be what the people on

46:17 ↗ Front Street are looking at out there

46:19 ↗ back windows up at these lights and you

46:21 ↗ can clearly see the lights there they're

46:23 ↗ not shielded by trees because they're

46:25 ↗ down so far most a lot of these trees

46:27 ↗ don't have leaves there's another view

46:31 ↗ from another walking along the trail

46:33 ↗ clearly visible not only these lights

46:35 ↗ but the street lights from down there

46:37 ↗ and just give you a couple I was out

46:39 ↗ there three different days and every day

46:41 ↗ there were cars parked illegally and as

46:45 ↗ Richard said I have not seen a police

46:48 ↗ officer out there wants ticketing the

46:50 ↗ cars and this is every day that they've

46:52 ↗ had to put up with it the sound the

46:56 ↗ other thing I would like to have a

46:57 ↗ definition of what amplified sound is

46:59 ↗ because nowadays they don't have to be

47:02 ↗ on a big box a little speaker

47:05 ↗ hand-carried and most your sports games

47:08 ↗ at an area new mission before warmups

47:11 ↗ they have on loud loud songs not just

47:14 ↗ for the high school this is even the

47:16 ↗ Little League games they bring their

47:18 ↗ aims to rev them up and these are big

47:20 ↗ speakers or big volume speakers big DB

47:24 ↗ with little speakers so I'd like to know

47:27 ↗ what amplified sound is and what is your

47:29 ↗ DB level that you're going with that for

47:33 ↗ events I would like to see a condition

47:36 ↗ put on for non school events that there

47:39 ↗ needs to be a special event just like

47:41 ↗ there does at a park or anyplace else

47:42 ↗ because they can go on at all hours they

47:46 ↗ can have all sorts of crowds and who

47:47 ↗ knows what else so I would like to see

47:49 ↗ any school non-event also because it's

47:53 ↗ probably going to be a city oriented the

47:55 ↗ other thing you need to understand when

47:56 ↗ it comes to parking this school draws

47:59 ↗ students from Newcastle from Bellevue

48:05 ↗ and some even from Grand Ridge at times

48:08 ↗ so you've got when they have a sports

48:11 ↗ event over there or a track meet or

48:13 ↗ something like that you have parents

48:14 ↗ from all over the school district

48:16 ↗ bringing their cars and buses cannot get

48:19 ↗ into those the later eda buses cannot

48:22 ↗ get into the school as many times

48:23 ↗ because of the parking and they don't

48:25 ↗ just park in the parking areas they park

48:27 ↗ in the fire lanes they park in the

48:29 ↗ entrances they park everywhere they can

48:31 ↗ and they get out of their cars and they

48:33 ↗ run to see the game and so it is

48:36 ↗ atrocious and then getting out they all

48:38 ↗ want to exit at the same time and so

48:40 ↗ when you're talking this neighborhood

48:42 ↗ all these entrances and exits to it the

48:45 ↗ kids and if you're if you haven't been

48:47 ↗ over there in that area at the end of

48:49 ↗ school now is a little bit not going to

48:52 ↗ be quite as good because a lot of the

48:54 ↗ seniors are not driving but just go over

48:56 ↗ there at the end of school one day and

48:59 ↗ try and move yesterday when I was coming

49:03 ↗ home I looked up the street and there

49:05 ↗ was an emergency vehicle trying to get

49:08 ↗ down sunset to come down sunset to turn

49:11 ↗ on second I was able to come all the way

49:14 ↗ to finish my distance down second or

49:17 ↗ down a sunset turn and come down almost

49:20 ↗ even with the school before the

49:23 ↗ emergency vehicle was even able to get

49:25 ↗ to me because of the traffic and they

49:27 ↗ couldn't get through so that's the other

49:29 ↗ thing that my concern is with these big

49:31 ↗ large events at the

49:32 ↗ and hold if there's one going on at the

49:34 ↗ same time at the high school what's

49:36 ↗ going to happen with emergencies and the

49:38 ↗ noise and that the gate I'll just

49:41 ↗ validate that I've never seen the gate

49:43 ↗ locked except after hours when no one is

49:46 ↗ there that's the only time I've seen

49:48 ↗ that back gate locked if for some reason

49:53 ↗ this goes forward Bellevue has been very

49:56 ↗ good with lighting and the street lights

49:58 ↗ to put shields up on the back side of

50:00 ↗ the lights so that it does not really go

50:04 ↗ over into the neighborhoods as badly as

50:06 ↗ it could and I don't see anything in

50:08 ↗ this where it talks about covering the

50:11 ↗ back side of the light bulbs that would

50:13 ↗ even further limit the amount of light

50:16 ↗ going out but that would be another

50:19 ↗ condition that I'd like to have and

50:21 ↗ going forward because Lucy said it

50:23 ↗ wasn't the CEPA if you go back and look

50:25 ↗ at the staff report and what the

50:27 ↗ community even though we made public

50:29 ↗ comment about our concerns

50:31 ↗ it really wasn't documented in the notes

50:34 ↗ but staff said this was not going

50:36 ↗ forward so they didn't consider it and I

50:39 ↗ would say going forward on any such

50:41 ↗ thing that the school does we need to

50:43 ↗ have some very clear documentation on

50:45 ↗ what the public has said we need to

50:48 ↗ review the CEPA and not only look at

50:50 ↗ what is proposed but we need to clearly

50:52 ↗ look at the plot plan and say how high

50:55 ↗ can the building be for that plot plan

50:58 ↗ how can what other uses can be had on

51:00 ↗ this property and put those limitations

51:02 ↗ on going forward knowing that now what

51:06 ↗ Lucy says is we don't have time to

51:07 ↗ reopen the CEPA so the CEPA and the

51:10 ↗ initial review of this needs to clearly

51:13 ↗ document the public process comments and

51:15 ↗ put the stipulations on what can be done

51:18 ↗ on this in the future so the public and

51:20 ↗ those that are buying homes around it

51:22 ↗ knows what's going to impact them Thank

51:24 ↗ You Jenny Bingham

51:35 ↗ I'm Jenny Bingham and I live in old town

51:39 ↗ 375 southeast Andrew Street

51:42 ↗ come on city of his ha come on school

51:45 ↗ district when are you gonna work

51:48 ↗ together I didn't know I retired from

51:51 ↗ this cloth school district and I never

51:53 ↗ knew until I went to a meeting I believe

51:56 ↗ it was the beginning of this year that

51:58 ↗ the school district and the city of

52:01 ↗ Issaquah had their very first meeting as

52:05 ↗ appalled this is a community they want

52:10 ↗ schools for kids and parents the city

52:16 ↗ wants everything for the community but

52:20 ↗ why is one working against the other why

52:23 ↗ is there no truth in between that is

52:26 ↗ public for everyone to know one thing

52:30 ↗ turn the lights on now let us all know

52:34 ↗ the lights are going on at a certain

52:35 ↗ time let us come up and look at it and

52:38 ↗ make our own determination I'm glad

52:41 ↗ there is a lighting person here she can

52:43 ↗ determine it but I think we as citizens

52:46 ↗ especially in Old Town here need to see

52:49 ↗ the lighting period make a date turn it

52:52 ↗ on obviously they're working turn it on

52:56 ↗ so we can determine what we see so we

52:59 ↗ can have more input next is the traffic

53:03 ↗ as you know we have worked for years

53:06 ↗ I've lived in Issaquah for 40 years and

53:09 ↗ I've lived in Old Town for 40 years and

53:12 ↗ the amount of traffic on our side roads

53:15 ↗ on Andrew Street which is the first

53:17 ↗ Street off of sunset and then we have

53:19 ↗ bush as you know we're going through a

53:22 ↗ traffic pilot program now and supposedly

53:26 ↗ there are 200 cars a day going through

53:31 ↗ our neighborhood either east or west

53:34 ↗ depending on the day even with pilot

53:38 ↗ traffic program

53:40 ↗ now we're gonna have the new Dollar Tree

53:44 ↗ store which will bring more people down

53:47 ↗ off our side streets you've covered the

53:50 ↗ no left-hand turn lanes both on 2nd and

53:53 ↗ Andrews invitation to just come on

53:56 ↗ through and now we got another facility

53:58 ↗ that would be rented out it'll be rented

54:02 ↗ out to people that aren't even community

54:07 ↗ living people you think these people

54:11 ↗ really think it's wrong not to park by

54:14 ↗ her house there's no signs that say no

54:17 ↗ parking there is no police patrol we

54:20 ↗ tried police patrol when the signs were

54:22 ↗ up for no left-hand turns are you

54:24 ↗ kidding for 25 years we've been told

54:27 ↗ there's only one traffic policeman and

54:31 ↗ it certainly isn't for old town and now

54:34 ↗ you wanna put more people in this area

54:39 ↗ coming and going down our little streets

54:42 ↗ 2nd Avenue can't take it I can't take a

54:45 ↗ right-hand turn out of Andrews because

54:48 ↗ nobody will let you in and when I come

54:50 ↗ home to take a left nobody will let me

54:53 ↗ turn down and it doesn't matter what

54:55 ↗ time of day it is

54:56 ↗ of course it's worse in the morning and

54:58 ↗ it's worth in the afternoon but until

55:01 ↗ this city can get better infrastructure

55:05 ↗ more streets a plan of where people are

55:08 ↗ going to park whether it's school

55:10 ↗ district kids whether it's teachers I

55:14 ↗ don't care who it is it is not gonna

55:17 ↗ work up there you can already see in the

55:20 ↗ middle of a day there and we even have

55:24 ↗ out-of-town people on Andrew Street now

55:26 ↗ because there's no parking down here and

55:28 ↗ I've talked to Mary Lou about this

55:30 ↗ you've got people taking the five five

55:32 ↗ four right here song get off the bus

55:35 ↗ tonight and walk to their cars right

55:36 ↗ here parking right in front of your well

55:40 ↗ they're now parking on Andrew Street

55:42 ↗ because there's no place down here so

55:46 ↗ they've got the problem it's gonna get

55:49 ↗ worse it's gonna get worse it's gonna

55:51 ↗ get worse come on City School District

55:54 ↗ work together please thank you use Mansa

56:05 ↗ okay dad I don't work you need to work

56:09 ↗ on your arse in here so I'm sorry sorry

56:12 ↗ I had to run from the elementary school

56:13 ↗ I had to go to a concert there so it's

56:15 ↗ okay and the double duty - I apologize

56:17 ↗ James Marsh 500 southeast sevens Lane

56:21 ↗ this is Evans link right here again I

56:26 ↗ think I think predominantly what you're

56:29 ↗ hearing is a little bit about the

56:31 ↗ lighting which kind of probably was the

56:34 ↗ 800-pound gorilla that got us all going

56:37 ↗ here it's it's truly the impacts of

56:40 ↗ what's going on we've predicted this

56:43 ↗ three years ago when they tore down

56:44 ↗ Clark I gave public comment at that time

56:49 ↗ saying they're gonna build a sporting

56:50 ↗ complex and it's gonna impact this

56:52 ↗ beyond what this neighborhoods ready for

56:55 ↗ and it has doubled what I imagined what

57:00 ↗ was gonna go on on that in the

57:02 ↗ neighborhood truth to everybody that's

57:05 ↗ expressed the traffic the garbage the

57:08 ↗ speeding is literally ruined a quiet

57:13 ↗ little cul-de-sac dar streets kind of

57:15 ↗ quiet the churches there now yes the

57:19 ↗ population is heading out here it's

57:21 ↗ evident what the church is growing

57:24 ↗ because they're taking their trees down

57:26 ↗ building a bigger parking lot the school

57:30 ↗ district can barely keep up with the

57:32 ↗ kids they're adding portables already to

57:34 ↗ the junior high which is surprising some

57:37 ↗ poor forecasting on their part

57:40 ↗ poor forecasting on the parking you

57:45 ↗ wouldn't know how many parking permits

57:46 ↗ you would give out to the students to

57:47 ↗ park at the school they knew this before

57:51 ↗ they tore down the overflow parking lot

57:52 ↗ which they never replaced they decided

57:55 ↗ to build an another softball field again

58:00 ↗ this these fields aren't even open yet

58:02 ↗ and the impacts huge to the neighbors i

58:07 ↗ its we live this every day it's that

58:11 ↗ that's pretty mild right there and these

58:14 ↗ kids they're they're fast

58:15 ↗ my kids are four and five I don't let

58:18 ↗ him out on the streets there's no

58:19 ↗ sidewalks the other side of the school

58:21 ↗ district you guys did a really good job

58:23 ↗ building your part of the property but

58:28 ↗ boy you never extend it out to the other

58:30 ↗ side of the street no sidewalks I

58:33 ↗ actually have a video on my phone one

58:35 ↗ night a softball game came out up on the

58:38 ↗ upper field which I don't want to get

58:40 ↗ into Evan Street the condition that that

58:42 ↗ was left after construction but not one

58:46 ↗ person stopped at that stop sign and I

58:49 ↗ have the video and I stopped I stayed in

58:52 ↗ the crosswalk and they just like I

58:54 ↗ didn't even exist and if that was my

58:57 ↗ kids I'd be livid and I am most of these

59:01 ↗ days I come home if I get home early I

59:03 ↗ set my little slow sign out and I watch

59:07 ↗ these kids I have to slow them down tell

59:09 ↗ them to pick up the trash so I think

59:13 ↗ what we're talking about here is the

59:14 ↗ impact of what the school district has

59:18 ↗ created on the neighborhood the direct

59:20 ↗ neighborhood I know the church thing is

59:25 ↗ new to all of us

59:26 ↗ - and the logging trucks showed up and

59:28 ↗ took out you know 50 50 healthy trees

59:33 ↗ that were well over a hundred feet high

59:36 ↗ yes we'd like to see the lights on to

59:38 ↗ see what its gonna do we'd like to see

59:40 ↗ what the schedule is you know I know for

59:45 ↗ the majority of everybody that lives

59:47 ↗ here in Issaquah what our taxes went up

59:49 ↗ for McCleary decision you know that's

59:54 ↗ directly to the school district so your

59:56 ↗ stewards of our money these impacts

1:00:01 ↗ though I think I think what were what

1:00:04 ↗ you're hearing here is this Commission

1:00:06 ↗ or the city has to help us out and the

1:00:11 ↗ school district has a responsibility on

1:00:13 ↗ here to lessen these impacts all the way

1:00:15 ↗ around

1:00:16 ↗ from the parking to the upgrades on the

1:00:20 ↗ other side of the street if some

1:00:23 ↗ standard operating procedures on the

1:00:25 ↗ lights how the fields are ran

1:00:26 ↗ it is extension of the parks it's not

1:00:29 ↗ just the junior high there will be games

1:00:33 ↗ going on hopefully you make some money

1:00:37 ↗ back however that works I don't know but

1:00:42 ↗ the school district has to do another

1:00:45 ↗ analysis on their parking they can't

1:00:48 ↗ provide with what they have right now

1:00:49 ↗ for their own staff and there's students

1:00:53 ↗ how are they going to provide for extra

1:00:55 ↗ people going to sporting events our

1:01:00 ↗ neighbors showed a lot of great emotion

1:01:01 ↗ it's because it it's gotten to that

1:01:04 ↗ point where our quiet little Street is

1:01:08 ↗ now a racetrack and you know and I know

1:01:12 ↗ this is citywide Newport doesn't look

1:01:15 ↗ any better at 4:30 going out is to call

1:01:18 ↗ Bart it's a travesty if you live out

1:01:20 ↗ there don't plan dinner and it's it's a

1:01:26 ↗ general impact of what's going on here

1:01:27 ↗ you can see it off i-94 story

1:01:30 ↗ I can't you in apartment buildings so

1:01:33 ↗ you guys have a big task at hand

1:01:35 ↗ what we're asking as a small

1:01:37 ↗ neighborhood we can't stop all the other

1:01:41 ↗ impacts but we will stop these impacts

1:01:44 ↗ on our street if we have to start which

1:01:47 ↗ we have we've taken some of the things

1:01:49 ↗ that we're doing by putting up our own

1:01:51 ↗ signs police in the streets because

1:01:53 ↗ there is none the red light camera

1:01:57 ↗ that's kind of a joke kids are out after

1:02:00 ↗ school after for walking the streets but

1:02:03 ↗ the cameras stopped at 4:00 so is it a

1:02:05 ↗ safety concern for those kids with the

1:02:07 ↗ red light are those snappy cameras no

1:02:11 ↗ it's a it's a money grab the school

1:02:16 ↗ district needs to do more with reaching

1:02:19 ↗ out to the neighborhood having meetings

1:02:21 ↗ impact meetings what they can do listen

1:02:24 ↗ along I'm surprised this is are you from

1:02:27 ↗ the school district too

1:02:28 ↗ no one representative from the school

1:02:31 ↗ district at a very important meeting

1:02:33 ↗ that impacts them so I agree with the

1:02:39 ↗ last speaker Siddhi school district

1:02:42 ↗ neighborhood there everybody should be

1:02:44 ↗ in this room discussing this stuff and

1:02:47 ↗ and finding out what works best for

1:02:49 ↗ everybody it's not it's not one-sided we

1:02:51 ↗ need our schools we love our schools we

1:02:53 ↗ the school district is phenomenal the

1:02:59 ↗ city's phenomenal we have a really good

1:03:01 ↗ place here but we do need to work

1:03:03 ↗ together to protect it come to common

1:03:07 ↗ ground what what works for everybody you

1:03:11 ↗ know like I said three years ago when I

1:03:13 ↗ spoke on the sporting complex that they

1:03:16 ↗ were a building not a junior high I

1:03:19 ↗ realized what the impacts were gonna be

1:03:21 ↗ and I was a little nervous I built a

1:03:23 ↗ brand new house up on Evans Lane night

1:03:25 ↗ it was a big commitment I went through

1:03:28 ↗ the permit process and it's it's

1:03:30 ↗ rigorous it's not an easy process I

1:03:33 ↗ understand that but I think on the other

1:03:36 ↗ hand if I would have done something

1:03:38 ↗ without my permits I would have been

1:03:40 ↗ red-tagged

1:03:41 ↗ stopped probably paid some hefty fines

1:03:44 ↗ and had to bring it up to code I know

1:03:48 ↗ how that works

1:03:49 ↗ I've lived it I've also have a friend

1:03:54 ↗ that lives over near Memorial Park where

1:03:56 ↗ she had to complete the sidewalk in

1:03:59 ↗ front of her house and now she has to

1:04:01 ↗ maintain it even though she gave that

1:04:03 ↗ property to the city I would ask the

1:04:06 ↗ school district to have the same kind of

1:04:07 ↗ responsibilities of obtaining there or

1:04:10 ↗ maintaining their sidewalks Gardens the

1:04:15 ↗ landscape choices that they made but

1:04:17 ↗ anyways I I think what your common theme

1:04:20 ↗ you're hearing here is the impact that

1:04:21 ↗ this Junior High not not just the

1:04:24 ↗ Lighting's has created and we just want

1:04:27 ↗ a little more accountability from the

1:04:29 ↗ school district some more common ground

1:04:32 ↗ some more meetings where we could all

1:04:34 ↗ get together and you know and I think I

1:04:37 ↗ don't know if it's the Planning

1:04:39 ↗ Commission's responsibility or

1:04:40 ↗ [Music]

1:04:42 ↗ the mayor's the council or if it's the

1:04:45 ↗ community you know to just put

1:04:48 ↗ barricades up we'll get some ecology

1:04:51 ↗ blocks and just shut off our street you

1:04:55 ↗ know I know that's not gonna work for a

1:04:56 ↗ while we'll get the police up there real

1:04:57 ↗ quick but we need a little relief it's

1:05:01 ↗ you know like I said last meeting when

1:05:03 ↗ the summer time comes it's like this is

1:05:06 ↗ great we get our streets back the kids

1:05:08 ↗ can play in the streets not that that's

1:05:10 ↗ healthy but you know it's I think all of

1:05:13 ↗ us were raised up on the street playing

1:05:15 ↗ ball and car comes you get off the

1:05:17 ↗ street just concerned I want I want my

1:05:22 ↗ kids to be able to walk from Evans Lane

1:05:26 ↗ cross second go over to the new

1:05:28 ↗ elementary school in a safe manner it is

1:05:31 ↗ not safe it's a safety concern so that's

1:05:36 ↗ probably my biggest beef is looking out

1:05:38 ↗ for my kids but also my neighbors

1:05:40 ↗ appreciate you guys um we've been it's

1:05:45 ↗ been a rough year

1:05:46 ↗ anyways I appreciate your guys's time

1:05:48 ↗ Lucy all the stuff you're putting

1:05:49 ↗ together and again my neighbors thank

1:05:52 ↗ you thank you

1:05:55 ↗ Michelle Gibson hi I'm Michelle Gibson I

1:06:10 ↗ own a home at 535 southeast Evans Lane

1:06:13 ↗ these are all my neighbors and I'm just

1:06:16 ↗ gonna echo what they have already said

1:06:19 ↗ about the impact and first of all I want

1:06:23 ↗ to say we love that kids play sports

1:06:26 ↗ that is wonderful keeps them off the

1:06:28 ↗ street keeps them off the computers and

1:06:31 ↗ they learn about a team playing good

1:06:36 ↗ sportsmanship

1:06:37 ↗ so they sports have has values to our

1:06:41 ↗ kids so we're not against the sports but

1:06:45 ↗ we're against how we feel you all went

1:06:49 ↗ about this and ignored our requests or

1:06:52 ↗ try to sneak things under

1:06:54 ↗ and as they already said the problems

1:06:56 ↗ we've been having already not just this

1:06:58 ↗ year was the hardest but it's been going

1:07:00 ↗ on and those what has impact our street

1:07:04 ↗ are the cars park blocking our driveway

1:07:07 ↗ so you can't even get out or in fire

1:07:13 ↗ hydrants blocked mailboxes blocked trash

1:07:16 ↗ day the sometimes garbageman won't pick

1:07:19 ↗ up our trash because they can't get to

1:07:21 ↗ it I mean how much do you want us to go

1:07:23 ↗ through here litter is left on the

1:07:26 ↗ street as they said speeding while her

1:07:29 ↗ children are at play I mean I'm echoing

1:07:31 ↗ this has been so frustrating for us and

1:07:34 ↗ as as we work together clean up our

1:07:38 ↗ streets we try to figure out how to stop

1:07:40 ↗ the spin you can't I mean James has been

1:07:43 ↗ out there and tried to wave them down

1:07:45 ↗ and they just be right past him and it's

1:07:47 ↗ a coldie sack and they come and they

1:07:49 ↗ turn around and then there's still sign

1:07:52 ↗ that says on 4th and sunset Street that

1:07:56 ↗ say you can't turn right when school

1:07:59 ↗ ends and you can't turn left when school

1:08:02 ↗ starts on to southeast Emma Street they

1:08:04 ↗ don't care they come and that's why it's

1:08:05 ↗ a speed a speed way through you're all

1:08:09 ↗ through all our homes yeah we would we

1:08:18 ↗ are requesting signs something that's no

1:08:21 ↗ student parking signs no event parking

1:08:24 ↗ signs down the 4th Avenue down Darce

1:08:27 ↗ down southeast Evans Lane there's got to

1:08:29 ↗ be something that you'd need to do for

1:08:32 ↗ us because this is a huge impact and I

1:08:35 ↗ agree that I don't know why you all

1:08:37 ↗ didn't think about having the lights lit

1:08:39 ↗ let us see what's going on before this

1:08:41 ↗ meeting happened appreciate all my

1:08:45 ↗ neighbors we work together appreciate

1:08:48 ↗ you all I just want you to listen to us

1:08:51 ↗ we have a voice and and as James noted

1:08:56 ↗ you also have our money be good stewards

1:08:58 ↗ thank you

1:09:03 ↗ anybody else from the cup public wish to

1:09:05 ↗ make comment I would request that you

1:09:10 ↗ sign in sign your name and address so my

1:09:20 ↗ name is Connie Marsh and I live on

1:09:22 ↗ squawk and I didn't want to come to this

1:09:24 ↗ meeting tonight because I've been to

1:09:26 ↗ several city meetings and then I thought

1:09:28 ↗ I know these people I've worked in this

1:09:31 ↗ area for I can't even tell you because I

1:09:34 ↗ weeded the city's property too for what

1:09:37 ↗ ten or twelve years until I finally

1:09:39 ↗ realized that it was doing no good

1:09:46 ↗ everything they say is true to the nth

1:09:50 ↗ degree and so when I read the note from

1:09:55 ↗ the attorney that at the very bottom

1:09:58 ↗ says yes they don't have to review SEPA

1:10:03 ↗ as long as the impacts are mitigated

1:10:08 ↗ everything that he says is predicated on

1:10:11 ↗ that and well clearly the impacts of the

1:10:19 ↗ entire school were not mitigated but

1:10:23 ↗ we're talking about the lights so can

1:10:25 ↗ you actually say that the increased

1:10:30 ↗ hours of the sporting fields and the

1:10:34 ↗ lighting and the noise and the people's

1:10:37 ↗ quality of life is not being impacted by

1:10:40 ↗ these extended hours and I don't think

1:10:46 ↗ you can say that I think there are

1:10:49 ↗ impacts now when you look at the

1:10:51 ↗ conditions that the city is adding are

1:10:55 ↗ the conditions that are being added

1:10:58 ↗ going to solve the impacts that are

1:11:01 ↗ being described is it are they going to

1:11:07 ↗ keep the noise down at 10 o'clock at

1:11:12 ↗ night you know is it going to make it so

1:11:15 ↗ that they can feel

1:11:16 ↗ safe on their streets no etc so I would

1:11:19 ↗ say that this needs to go back and have

1:11:24 ↗ a SEPA addendum or a supplemental would

1:11:27 ↗ be really awesome but I doubt it would

1:11:29 ↗ happen by the school district because

1:11:31 ↗ they said there were not going to be

1:11:33 ↗ lights the community did not get to have

1:11:35 ↗ the conversation at the appropriate time

1:11:38 ↗ so when I was I was chatting with the

1:11:40 ↗ Parks Department today because I was

1:11:42 ↗ curious about how they usually cite

1:11:44 ↗ lights in their fields and what types of

1:11:46 ↗ processes that they do to ensure that

1:11:49 ↗ the community feels like they are not

1:11:51 ↗ being impacted by lights and they go out

1:11:54 ↗ to the community and they have these

1:11:56 ↗ discussions about this is the kind of

1:11:59 ↗ lighting these are the hours these are

1:12:04 ↗ the guards these is the trees these are

1:12:05 ↗ the rules how do you feel about that and

1:12:07 ↗ what do you want and it is specific to

1:12:10 ↗ each area and right now you're looking

1:12:11 ↗ at putting lights in an area that's not

1:12:14 ↗ in Issaquah the the homes are so close

1:12:17 ↗ and the parking is is not close and I

1:12:25 ↗ think it needs to go out for a community

1:12:28 ↗ discussion before the lights ever go up

1:12:32 ↗ now

1:12:33 ↗ the school district says they're good

1:12:36 ↗ neighbors good neighbors would say we

1:12:40 ↗ need to take out this this out to a

1:12:42 ↗ community process because we want an

1:12:44 ↗ awesome town we don't want people

1:12:46 ↗ victimized by the schools and the rules

1:12:48 ↗ so how do you as development Commission

1:12:54 ↗ get to an ideal end point with the tools

1:12:58 ↗ that you have it seems like we've been

1:12:59 ↗ asking this question for so long what

1:13:04 ↗ are the tools you can use and I frankly

1:13:09 ↗ don't think that it's clear how far you

1:13:17 ↗ can go on your conditions tonight if you

1:13:20 ↗ would so you see I stutter because I how

1:13:26 ↗ do how do you solve the problem you see

1:13:28 ↗ them

1:13:29 ↗ you see more impacts to them you know

1:13:31 ↗ it's your community so I guess all you

1:13:36 ↗ can do is ask staff who has the

1:13:39 ↗ knowledge how to solve the problem and

1:13:41 ↗ if staff says you can't then we have we

1:13:46 ↗ have a way bigger issues and lights in

1:13:48 ↗ one field don't forget to sign in yes I

1:13:59 ↗ am

1:14:11 ↗ and would you sign make sure yes I will

1:14:14 ↗ yes thank you so I'm Christina burning

1:14:16 ↗ and I live at 580 Front Street which is

1:14:19 ↗ adjacent to the Rainier Trail and also

1:14:22 ↗ Clark elementary school I have been

1:14:27 ↗ proud to call a Sequoia my home since

1:14:29 ↗ 1991 this is a I live in the area where

1:14:33 ↗ it's the multi families it's often too

1:14:36 ↗ pointed out that it's apartments these

1:14:38 ↗ are people's homes

1:14:39 ↗ we are condominiums it doesn't matter if

1:14:42 ↗ you're an apartment or a condominium or

1:14:43 ↗ a single family this is people's home

1:14:47 ↗ sadly we are all too familiar with what

1:14:53 ↗ it's like to live next to IMS with

1:14:57 ↗ lighting a number of years ago you might

1:15:01 ↗ remember there was artificial turf and

1:15:03 ↗ stadium lighting that IMS wanted to put

1:15:05 ↗ in at this time it was eight feet from

1:15:08 ↗ people's bedroom windows nobody knew

1:15:12 ↗ that until the community came and said

1:15:15 ↗ hey eight feet not very far it wasn't

1:15:19 ↗ just about the lights we talked about

1:15:22 ↗ the impact it's the people it was the

1:15:25 ↗ trespass our parking was closer to the

1:15:28 ↗ field just had to hop a fence than the

1:15:31 ↗ school district parking this is a middle

1:15:34 ↗ school these were not middle school

1:15:36 ↗ children using the field late at night

1:15:38 ↗ the language that we were subjected to

1:15:41 ↗ was not coming from middle school

1:15:43 ↗ children these were all adult leagues

1:15:48 ↗ these were private leagues people who

1:15:54 ↗ paid good money and I was the one that

1:15:58 ↗ had my quality of life impacted we are

1:16:02 ↗ an immediate neighborhood of 48 families

1:16:04 ↗ but I represent a community awareness

1:16:08 ↗ initiative much like this group here

1:16:10 ↗ that have come together we found many

1:16:14 ↗ years ago to be heard in Issaquah we

1:16:18 ↗ needed to have a cohesive voice I stand

1:16:22 ↗ here representing hundreds of families

1:16:25 ↗ not just Windsong apartments not just

1:16:28 ↗ it's a Cockrell errington apartments the

1:16:31 ↗ retirement home people in the south end

1:16:34 ↗ of Issaquah that said you know what we

1:16:36 ↗ are Issaquah we've had to convince our

1:16:39 ↗ neighbors that the city really does

1:16:42 ↗ believe we are Issaquah because of the

1:16:44 ↗ lack of service that we often get so to

1:16:49 ↗ bring us together I am NOT a stranger to

1:16:55 ↗ the school district we have had plenty

1:16:58 ↗ of meetings that we have initiated

1:17:01 ↗ because we are good neighbors

1:17:04 ↗ we've hear that before we had direct

1:17:07 ↗ hotlines to the school hey let us know

1:17:10 ↗ when you're doing your summer you know a

1:17:12 ↗ little thing before kids go so we can

1:17:13 ↗ just at least let people know so people

1:17:15 ↗ want to disappear so they don't have to

1:17:17 ↗ hear the jumpy stuff they can do that

1:17:20 ↗ during the course of all of this stuff

1:17:23 ↗ January February

1:17:25 ↗ you might recall last year Clark

1:17:28 ↗ elementary school was being built it has

1:17:32 ↗ not been an easy year school district

1:17:36 ↗ knows that I had personal cell phone

1:17:39 ↗ numbers of superintendents on projects

1:17:43 ↗ and of school district they counted on

1:17:47 ↗ us to be their eyes before the cameras

1:17:52 ↗ were in place and have the people over

1:17:54 ↗ there stealing things we are the ones

1:17:57 ↗ who said hey something's not right

1:17:58 ↗ people are over there we did far more

1:18:01 ↗ than I think our share but we were happy

1:18:04 ↗ to do it because we are proud to call

1:18:06 ↗ this a quat home through this the reason

1:18:10 ↗ why I share that story is because we had

1:18:13 ↗ constant contact with the school

1:18:15 ↗ district and we didn't just talk about

1:18:19 ↗ Clark we talked about IMS I am NOT on

1:18:26 ↗ the city payroll I am not on the school

1:18:28 ↗ district payroll but it was important to

1:18:31 ↗ me to countless hours of meetings and we

1:18:36 ↗ kept hearing no lighting at the Issaquah

1:18:40 ↗ middle school no lighting you do not

1:18:44 ↗ need to worry are you sure because

1:18:46 ↗ things have slipped through before in

1:18:48 ↗ the past are you sure

1:18:50 ↗ imagine our surprise when standing at

1:18:54 ↗ our home we all of a sudden see what is

1:18:58 ↗ that structure Mary had a beautiful

1:19:00 ↗ picture I think you were in my house you

1:19:04 ↗ could literally see the structures I was

1:19:09 ↗ disappointed this whole narrative

1:19:14 ↗ tonight is extremely concerning to me

1:19:19 ↗ the community looks to the school

1:19:22 ↗ district to provide let's see supplement

1:19:25 ↗ city parks I don't believe it should

1:19:28 ↗ follow with at the expense of our

1:19:30 ↗ quality of life I think those are two

1:19:33 ↗ separate things good neighbors open

1:19:35 ↗ communication standing right before the

1:19:39 ↗ school district directly asking these

1:19:42 ↗ things were not addressed my experience

1:19:46 ↗ sadly mitigation doesn't work we have

1:19:50 ↗ been there we have tried it becomes a

1:19:53 ↗ job it becomes a constant job for us to

1:19:58 ↗ have to document contact the police

1:20:02 ↗ protect our personal belongings it's

1:20:06 ↗ exhausting and it goes completely

1:20:09 ↗ against the values that this city stands

1:20:13 ↗ for so I want to thank you all for your

1:20:16 ↗ service to the community because I know

1:20:18 ↗ it's not easy and you put in hundreds of

1:20:20 ↗ hours so as you take into these

1:20:22 ↗ conferences the this feedback from the

1:20:25 ↗ community into consideration by all

1:20:27 ↗ means please come walk it come take a

1:20:30 ↗ look

1:20:31 ↗ imagine the trees with no leaves even

1:20:35 ↗ with the leaves I still see them thank

1:20:39 ↗ you very much

1:20:46 ↗ great appreciate it

1:20:49 ↗ [Applause]

1:20:53 ↗ good evening I'm Jeff tanka and I'm the

1:20:55 ↗ Association president for Issaquah crown

1:20:57 ↗ condominiums we're located on Front

1:20:59 ↗ Street south and I did speak at the the

1:21:02 ↗ last meeting here and voice some of the

1:21:05 ↗ concerns regarding lighting and just to

1:21:08 ↗ recap a couple of those items is our

1:21:12 ↗ property is situated immediately

1:21:14 ↗ adjacent to the existing Clark

1:21:17 ↗ elementary school our property also goes

1:21:21 ↗ adjacent to the Rainier Trail and

1:21:23 ↗ immediately to the east of that is the

1:21:26 ↗ ISD Transit Center then of course

1:21:29 ↗ heading east you get to 2nd Avenue and

1:21:33 ↗ then to the ims build-out with all the

1:21:39 ↗ construction that has been going on with

1:21:41 ↗ the school district we have been

1:21:43 ↗ impacted over and over again when they

1:21:46 ↗ when the school district did

1:21:49 ↗ improvements to the Transit Center they

1:21:53 ↗ took out hundreds hundreds of trees and

1:21:55 ↗ they built the expansion of parking lot

1:21:58 ↗ up onto a high area and where they

1:22:01 ↗ parked the bus as they put in lighting

1:22:02 ↗ the Lighting's fairly tall we can see

1:22:06 ↗ those lights from our property we can

1:22:09 ↗ see the lights on the rainier trail the

1:22:12 ↗ lights at the parking lot are higher

1:22:14 ↗ than the rainier trail with the trees

1:22:17 ↗ being removed we can now see the

1:22:19 ↗ lighting on the street on second avenue

1:22:22 ↗ we can see the towers which haven't been

1:22:25 ↗ lit yet on the new sports field which

1:22:28 ↗ those towers are significantly higher I

1:22:32 ↗ will say that right now with a lot of

1:22:35 ↗ the leaves on the trees the towers are

1:22:38 ↗ somewhat obscured well that's great the

1:22:41 ↗ days are longer and we're coming up on

1:22:42 ↗ summer when this field probably wouldn't

1:22:45 ↗ have that much use come winter time or

1:22:48 ↗ the or the five and a half months of the

1:22:51 ↗ year when there are leaves not on the

1:22:53 ↗ trees it's very visible it's so visible

1:22:56 ↗ in fact that we can see lights on at the

1:22:59 ↗ new ims school in the rooms themselves I

1:23:03 ↗ know that there's been a lot of

1:23:04 ↗ discussion and I'm

1:23:06 ↗ stand that there's a lighting expert

1:23:06 ↗ here I was not here for that part of the

1:23:09 ↗ meeting I know that there is technology

1:23:11 ↗ where you can direct lights more the the

1:23:14 ↗ thing is with this property and where

1:23:16 ↗ they built out the sports field it is

1:23:19 ↗ actually the regionalised high spot you

1:23:21 ↗ can see that when you go out to the

1:23:23 ↗ property and when you take that into

1:23:26 ↗ effect and the height of those towers

1:23:27 ↗ you will see the lighting there's not a

1:23:30 ↗ question on that that is our big concern

1:23:33 ↗ we have a lot of light infiltration into

1:23:35 ↗ our property literally from every

1:23:37 ↗ direction as a result of a lot of it

1:23:41 ↗ from the school district so we were very

1:23:44 ↗ concerned I think it was 18 24 months

1:23:47 ↗ ago when we were talking to the school

1:23:49 ↗ district about the build-out on Clark of

1:23:51 ↗ the Clark elementary school we did

1:23:53 ↗ discuss AMS and the sports fields and at

1:23:57 ↗ that time we did engage in conversation

1:23:59 ↗ see if I think you were in that meeting

1:24:00 ↗ as well and we asked about lighting and

1:24:03 ↗ they said no absolutely not

1:24:04 ↗ that's not part of the standard for a

1:24:05 ↗ middle school that won't happen we're

1:24:07 ↗ just going to have regular fields are

1:24:09 ↗ gonna be for a daytime used you know to

1:24:11 ↗ support the school activities we were

1:24:13 ↗ very surprised when we saw the

1:24:15 ↗ construction of the towers and I'm sure

1:24:18 ↗ those towers cost a couple of dollars

1:24:19 ↗ I'm surprised that that would go ahead

1:24:22 ↗ and be constructed without having

1:24:24 ↗ permits and authorization to go through

1:24:26 ↗ on that it leads me to the question what

1:24:28 ↗ else has been done that we don't know

1:24:30 ↗ about at that property Transit Center

1:24:32 ↗ Clark I mean it just opens up a whole

1:24:35 ↗ lot of questions good neighbors well at

1:24:38 ↗ least we try to be we try and keep open

1:24:40 ↗ communication but it just seems to be

1:24:42 ↗ very very trying on multiple levels so

1:24:44 ↗ we are concerned about the lighting

1:24:46 ↗ we're not as directly impacted with the

1:24:48 ↗ other impacts of parking so on and so

1:24:51 ↗ forth but we do get that indirectly so

1:24:55 ↗ thanks for your consideration in this

1:24:56 ↗ matter anybody else from the public here

1:25:03 ↗ I have that up here sorry anybody else

1:25:05 ↗ from the public wish to make comment so

1:25:10 ↗ I will

1:25:11 ↗ close off the public input portion of

1:25:14 ↗ this meeting Lucy do you want to make

1:25:19 ↗ comment or should we have some

1:25:21 ↗ commissioner discussion how about

1:25:22 ↗ comments from the commissioner

1:25:25 ↗ voice how about questions from the

1:25:27 ↗ commissioner I have one regarding that

1:25:34 ↗ cut off the specified cut off in

1:25:36 ↗ condition five says 10 p.m. there's also

1:25:39 ↗ an allowance there for the lights to be

1:25:41 ↗ on an additional half-hour is that right

1:25:50 ↗ so let me

1:26:01 ↗ right I believe that that is what the

1:26:04 ↗ code says and so that would be a

1:26:10 ↗ question of whether the 30 minutes

1:26:15 ↗ should be within that time just a quick

1:26:20 ↗ follow up similar question so the the

1:26:22 ↗ code says cuz I had a similar

1:26:24 ↗ observation that the main lighting and

1:26:28 ↗ this is eighteen point seven point 107

1:26:32 ↗ outdoor lighting in the city code and it

1:26:35 ↗ says that main lighting shall be turned

1:26:38 ↗ off as soon as possible following the

1:26:40 ↗ end of the event and at no time longer

1:26:43 ↗ than thirty minutes following the end of

1:26:45 ↗ the event so the way the condition is

1:26:48 ↗ written it is assuming ten o'clock is

1:26:50 ↗ the end of the event if we want to allow

1:26:52 ↗ lighting to run well that period of time

1:26:55 ↗ so I had some follow-up questions for

1:26:58 ↗ mr. cropper to just about operation of

1:27:02 ↗ the field and how that's going to work

1:27:03 ↗ nature of events that you anticipate and

1:27:08 ↗ how the lighting so maybe I'll try to be

1:27:10 ↗ more systematic about so just throw a

1:27:12 ↗ bunch of at you so can you talk a little

1:27:15 ↗ bit about how the lighted fields that

1:27:17 ↗ the school district currently has an

1:27:19 ↗ operation function you talked about an

1:27:22 ↗ automatic shut off of that skyline but

1:27:24 ↗ does that mean the lights come on every

1:27:26 ↗ day they run until 10:00 at night and

1:27:27 ↗ then they go off or are is there some

1:27:30 ↗ other way that these things are managed

1:27:31 ↗ event specific there's switched on if

1:27:34 ↗ there's a scheduled event and they're

1:27:37 ↗ set up to switch off and that's at 10:00

1:27:39 ↗ p.m. and it was my interpretation that

1:27:45 ↗ 10:00 p.m. was the timeframe that the

1:27:47 ↗ lights would go off not that you would

1:27:51 ↗ run an event till 10 p.m. and

1:27:53 ↗ potentially the lights would stay on for

1:27:55 ↗ another 30 minutes so in the lighting at

1:27:59 ↗ skyline and anticipated or planned for

1:28:02 ↗ here at the middle school is is there

1:28:06 ↗ when the event lights go off there's

1:28:10 ↗ lighting available to allow for cleanup

1:28:12 ↗ and

1:28:13 ↗ and exiting the facility is that how the

1:28:16 ↗ lighting plan is rated there's there

1:28:23 ↗ would be parking lot lighting and

1:28:24 ↗ pathway lighting in the adjacent areas

1:28:26 ↗ the field area itself is going to be

1:28:28 ↗ dark so the area the stands and

1:28:32 ↗ everything would be reliant on the

1:28:34 ↗ lights

1:28:35 ↗ that on the field lighting for all on

1:28:39 ↗ are all off essentially generally the

1:28:41 ↗ cleanup doesn't happen at the end of the

1:28:42 ↗ evening

1:28:43 ↗ anything that cleaned up that isn't

1:28:45 ↗ taken away by the user gets addressed

1:28:49 ↗ the following morning so when in the

1:28:59 ↗ field area when the lights go off it's

1:29:01 ↗ dark and then also just field operation

1:29:05 ↗ during the summer months are their

1:29:08 ↗ anticipated use of the fields into the

1:29:11 ↗ evenings during the summer months as

1:29:13 ↗ well I would say that that would be yes

1:29:16 ↗ that's not school district use but

1:29:18 ↗ that's community use and it's largely

1:29:20 ↗ Parks and Rec use the use of the fields

1:29:26 ↗ is governed by a school district policy

1:29:29 ↗ manual but the the rates and such are

1:29:38 ↗ more favorable for in district users

1:29:41 ↗ that for Parks and Rec if I think it's

1:29:44 ↗ 40 50 percent of the participants are

1:29:47 ↗ from the local area there's no charge

1:29:51 ↗ for the use and the refuse is pretty

1:29:57 ↗ heavy okay just you can bear with me

1:30:01 ↗ these are all kind of related questions

1:30:03 ↗ so I'll just try to take them off my

1:30:05 ↗ list here just from an operation

1:30:06 ↗ standpoint since mr. Crawford's at the

1:30:07 ↗ microphone the you talked about minimal

1:30:10 ↗ amount of seating that's provided in

1:30:12 ↗ this facility can you talk a little bit

1:30:15 ↗ about what what is the amount of crowd

1:30:19 ↗ that's anticipated and accommodated in

1:30:21 ↗ this particular field

1:30:24 ↗ it's not a field that's anticipated to

1:30:26 ↗ have large crowds there's bleacher

1:30:28 ↗ seating that probably is on the order of

1:30:31 ↗ 180 to maybe 200 people on the east side

1:30:33 ↗ and the potential for overlap with the

1:30:38 ↗ high school events on this is their

1:30:41 ↗ coordination between what's happening

1:30:42 ↗ with the high school and other adjacent

1:30:45 ↗ fields in this or I think realistically

1:30:48 ↗ you would find that there would be

1:30:51 ↗ overlap of use of the middle school

1:30:54 ↗ field and the high school field that

1:30:56 ↗ that there would not be an exclusive

1:30:58 ↗ scheduling of one and not the other so

1:31:02 ↗ the answer is yes they would over

1:31:04 ↗ potentially overlap I would anticipate

1:31:06 ↗ that would be true those are my

1:31:12 ↗ questions about operations mr. Harrison

1:31:17 ↗ yeah I'd like to go back to that slide

1:31:21 ↗ that was on there before these

1:31:28 ↗ no the IMS sport field will be limited

1:31:32 ↗ to use up to 10 p.m. period the field

1:31:35 ↗ lights shall be turned off as soon as

1:31:37 ↗ possible following the end of the event

1:31:40 ↗ and at no time longer than 30 minutes

1:31:43 ↗ following the end of the game or event

1:31:46 ↗ period who enforces that the enforcement

1:31:55 ↗ is a more difficult kind of thing to

1:31:58 ↗ assure that the lights get turned off

1:32:01 ↗ why because there's there's a custodian

1:32:08 ↗ in the building and he's not monitoring

1:32:12 ↗ the use of the field to know if

1:32:15 ↗ somebody's finished at 9:30 or 9:45 the

1:32:22 ↗ typical user signs up for a period of

1:32:25 ↗ time and it's going to run until close

1:32:28 ↗ to the time when the lights are turned

1:32:29 ↗ off and so we found that to assure that

1:32:35 ↗ the lights are off at a set time they're

1:32:39 ↗ on a timer you don't have somebody

1:32:41 ↗ forgetting about it and the lights run

1:32:43 ↗ till 11 o'clock or all night long so mr.

1:32:48 ↗ Crawford can the school district tell

1:32:51 ↗ the people that live around the school

1:32:54 ↗ that those lights will go off at 10:00

1:32:56 ↗ p.m. the hears that on a timer to go off

1:32:59 ↗ at a fixed time if it's desired to be

1:33:02 ↗ 10:00 p.m. it's 10:00 p.m. okay that

1:33:06 ↗ says 10:00 p.m.

1:33:07 ↗ I'm trying to I'm trying to determine

1:33:11 ↗ what commitment the school district will

1:33:15 ↗ make to the neighbors and that is a flat

1:33:21 ↗ statement there that will that the

1:33:23 ↗ lights will be turned off at 10:00 p.m.

1:33:26 ↗ and then the next sentence says as soon

1:33:28 ↗ as possible and my question is who

1:33:30 ↗ determines as soon as possible

1:33:32 ↗ why can't it I mean isn't it likely

1:33:35 ↗ frankly no let's not get into conjecture

1:33:37 ↗ but just who determines as soon as

1:33:39 ↗ possible

1:33:42 ↗ because that okay anybody that's going

1:33:45 ↗ to sign up for the use of the field is

1:33:47 ↗ going to sign up for the use of the

1:33:48 ↗ field and they're going to generally use

1:33:50 ↗ it for as long as they can so they know

1:33:54 ↗ that the lights are supposed to go off

1:33:56 ↗ at 10 o'clock the last block of time

1:33:59 ↗ runs till 9:45 or 10 o'clock and so they

1:34:04 ↗ know by prior experience that the lights

1:34:07 ↗ are going to turn off at 10 o'clock

1:34:09 ↗ they're gonna wrap up and they're gonna

1:34:11 ↗ leave a little bit early because the

1:34:12 ↗ field gets dark so you don't play till

1:34:14 ↗ 10 o'clock and have to leave in the

1:34:16 ↗ darkness so we can best assure that the

1:34:21 ↗ lights are going to go off at a point in

1:34:23 ↗ time if they're on a timer and they're

1:34:25 ↗ not subject to somebody trying to

1:34:28 ↗ remember to turn them off and it's

1:34:32 ↗ proven to be a better way to go about it

1:34:34 ↗ if we want to have the lights off at a

1:34:36 ↗ fixed point in time it's best to have

1:34:38 ↗ them on a timer so they go off would you

1:34:41 ↗ be good comfortable with that sentence

1:34:43 ↗ being deleted the as early light shall

1:34:48 ↗ be turned off as soon as possible

1:34:50 ↗ following the end of the event and at no

1:34:52 ↗ time longer than thirty minutes

1:34:54 ↗ following the end of the game or event

1:34:56 ↗ because what I'm hearing you say is the

1:34:58 ↗ lights are going to go off at ten

1:34:59 ↗ o'clock period I think it's a better

1:35:02 ↗ management and it's better for the

1:35:05 ↗ adjacencies to have the lights go off at

1:35:07 ↗ a fixed point in time rather than try

1:35:09 ↗ and say okay well Tuesday night they got

1:35:12 ↗ done early and it's 9:25 and we're going

1:35:14 ↗ to turn them off at 10:50 at that point

1:35:19 ↗ in time

1:35:19 ↗ somebody's got to manage that and

1:35:22 ↗ manually do it and if a custodian isn't

1:35:24 ↗ thinking about it and gets busy with

1:35:26 ↗ something and maybe runs past ten

1:35:27 ↗ o'clock so put them on a timer to turn

1:35:30 ↗ off at a at a determine point in time is

1:35:33 ↗ the best solution

1:35:36 ↗ no I'm public I'm not finished yet sir

1:35:42 ↗ what percentage of the activities on

1:35:45 ↗ this specific field will do you think if

1:35:48 ↗ you don't have a specific figure based

1:35:50 ↗ on past usage of the facilities there

1:35:53 ↗ but what percentage of this field once

1:35:56 ↗ it is illuminated if it is will be

1:35:59 ↗ conducted by private non school district

1:36:02 ↗ soccer clubs leagues whatever I don't

1:36:08 ↗ know we could probably do some research

1:36:10 ↗ to find that I know that a predominant

1:36:13 ↗ portion of the time that isn't used by

1:36:15 ↗ the school district is used by City

1:36:18 ↗ Parks and Rec and support of their

1:36:20 ↗ programs so does does the city parks and

1:36:27 ↗ recs have the control over contracts

1:36:32 ↗ with soccer leagues and you know non

1:36:34 ↗ school district entities that wanted

1:36:36 ↗ would like to use the field they have

1:36:38 ↗ priority for scheduling over non users

1:36:45 ↗ are non local resident groups okay the

1:36:54 ↗ question of amplified sound has been

1:36:56 ↗ raised a couple of times so once again

1:37:02 ↗ amplified sound is not defined so that's

1:37:07 ↗ that's concern that I have

1:37:10 ↗ the second is who enforces no amplified

1:37:13 ↗ sound so at district wa-hi skyline and

1:37:19 ↗ the major stadiums there's an amplified

1:37:21 ↗ sound system that's installed in the

1:37:24 ↗ facility and their speakers that

1:37:27 ↗ broadcast to the surrounding field area

1:37:30 ↗ the middle school doesn't have an

1:37:33 ↗ installed amplification system or

1:37:36 ↗ speakers it's within the realm of

1:37:40 ↗ possibility that user groups are going

1:37:43 ↗ to bring something that creates sound

1:37:45 ↗ yep okay so who tells them turn that

1:37:49 ↗ and get it out of here it can be part of

1:37:54 ↗ the rules and who's gonna be there to

1:37:57 ↗ enforce it becomes a question of whether

1:38:02 ↗ we've got a custodian in the building

1:38:04 ↗ and there's not a staff person that's

1:38:07 ↗ sitting out there monitoring the sound

1:38:08 ↗ so mr. Crawford do you believe that that

1:38:11 ↗ is a legitimate concern of the neighbors

1:38:15 ↗ amplified sound on this on this field I

1:38:19 ↗ think that there are times when there's

1:38:21 ↗ probably users who would bring boom

1:38:23 ↗ boxes or whatever okay well my

1:38:32 ↗ understanding is that you said that the

1:38:33 ↗ construction of the light poles was the

1:38:37 ↗ fault of a quote overzealous contractor

1:38:39 ↗ unquote there was a permit that had been

1:38:45 ↗ submitted and that it was supposed to be

1:38:50 ↗ processed and approved before the actual

1:38:53 ↗ installation would take place and there

1:38:57 ↗ overzealousness they moved ahead of what

1:39:01 ↗ should have been a proper scheduling how

1:39:03 ↗ long did it take for the contractor to

1:39:06 ↗ direct the poles pour the base the

1:39:08 ↗ concrete base I assume they're places

1:39:11 ↗ the bases are precast okay and they go

1:39:14 ↗ in the ground and I think the bases went

1:39:16 ↗ in one day and the poles went up the

1:39:17 ↗ next day

1:39:21 ↗ thank you

1:39:25 ↗ other comments other questions I'm sorry

1:39:29 ↗ other questions questions yes I

1:39:32 ↗ understand that would Issaquah will be

1:39:35 ↗ the first middle school to have lighting

1:39:38 ↗ I understand there's lighting in

1:39:39 ↗ progress at a couple of others is that

1:39:41 ↗ right

1:39:41 ↗ Lighting's in progress at pine lake

1:39:43 ↗ scheduled for Beaver Lake and may wood

1:39:47 ↗ and Pacific cascade would you say of all

1:39:55 ↗ of the middle schools is this the one

1:39:57 ↗ with the most dense housing close to the

1:40:01 ↗ middle school field or is there similar

1:40:06 ↗ density around some of these other

1:40:08 ↗ middle schools Pine Lake would probably

1:40:11 ↗ be similar Maywood has probably more

1:40:18 ↗ housing closer by Pacific cascade would

1:40:23 ↗ have housing to the northwest there's no

1:40:28 ↗ housing to the south side so in all

1:40:31 ↗ cases there are some residential units

1:40:33 ↗ nearby observation on the conditions it

1:40:42 ↗ seems that the wording that's been added

1:40:44 ↗ to the conditions in 3 & 5 really come

1:40:48 ↗ from the Municipal Code and it's its

1:40:52 ↗ language that reiterates the municipal

1:40:54 ↗ code correct it's just a duplication of

1:40:56 ↗ that language I wonder why that was done

1:40:59 ↗ if the project needs to perform to the

1:41:02 ↗ code anyway and it seems to allow what

1:41:06 ↗ mr. Harrison suggested that maybe

1:41:09 ↗ condition 5 would be clearer if that

1:41:12 ↗ second sentence were simply removed so

1:41:16 ↗ you you're absolutely right it

1:41:18 ↗ reiterates code there are times when

1:41:23 ↗ projects aren't complying with code that

1:41:27 ↗ we put that in the condition I think it

1:41:31 ↗ was to emphasize it and provide clarity

1:41:35 ↗ I think five could proceed either with

1:41:39 ↗ or without the second sentence

1:41:41 ↗ I understand how the school district is

1:41:45 ↗ operating at this time that the best way

1:41:50 ↗ to proceed would be to have the lights

1:41:52 ↗ automatically turn off at a time at a

1:41:56 ↗ fixed time I think the question becomes

1:41:59 ↗ if there was a different technology we

1:42:02 ↗ would actually want the lights to be

1:42:04 ↗ turned off sooner if the event ended

1:42:07 ↗ earlier so that that's the only question

1:42:11 ↗ I have I understand practically the way

1:42:14 ↗ it works right now that's setting that

1:42:16 ↗ time and being clear that the lights

1:42:18 ↗ can't be on past that time is consistent

1:42:24 ↗ with the technology it just the

1:42:25 ↗ technology may evolve so that an event

1:42:28 ↗ may actually be over earlier in that

1:42:31 ↗ language says simply when that event is

1:42:33 ↗ over lights off as soon as possible

1:42:35 ↗ after right they could program it so

1:42:39 ↗ that it I mean at some point there may

1:42:41 ↗ be technology in which every single day

1:42:44 ↗ of the week could be different and set

1:42:46 ↗ up so that they know what time the

1:42:49 ↗ events are supposed to end and it just

1:42:50 ↗ automatically ends then for 30 minutes

1:42:54 ↗ later well then that would be one of my

1:42:57 ↗ questions is it it seems like the

1:42:59 ↗ control of when the light goes off is is

1:43:02 ↗ shared between the school district and

1:43:04 ↗ the Park Department and so I don't know

1:43:08 ↗ what kind of coordination there is

1:43:10 ↗ between the school district and the Park

1:43:11 ↗ Department because it makes sense that

1:43:13 ↗ if the if if everybody knew what was

1:43:16 ↗ going on the lights could be turned off

1:43:18 ↗ much earlier than 10 o'clock as opposed

1:43:20 ↗ to just I mean the easiest thing is to

1:43:22 ↗ set a timer and say well they'll go off

1:43:23 ↗ at 10 o'clock that's not the most

1:43:25 ↗ neighbor friendly and so I'm wondering

1:43:28 ↗ who who would take the responsibility of

1:43:30 ↗ doing that coordination and making if

1:43:33 ↗ you're setting a timer as it's not

1:43:35 ↗ rocket science I don't believe and so

1:43:37 ↗ you could adjust it to depending on when

1:43:39 ↗ the approved events were scheduled and

1:43:42 ↗ it would avoid some of the non

1:43:45 ↗ permitted events taking place of just a

1:43:48 ↗ bunch of guys going up there and playing

1:43:49 ↗ touch football or something who does

1:43:53 ↗ that is that coordinated and and who

1:43:55 ↗ would do that

1:43:56 ↗ the district does the scheduling for the

1:43:59 ↗ fields both for the Park Service and the

1:44:01 ↗ school district so permanently we could

1:44:09 ↗ look and see what percentage of time

1:44:13 ↗ scheduled events don't run till the per

1:44:18 ↗ anticipated end time and lights don't

1:44:24 ↗ come on if there isn't an event

1:44:26 ↗ scheduled so there could I mean there's

1:44:30 ↗ a coordination of when the lights come

1:44:32 ↗ on if if you know there's an bench

1:44:38 ↗ schedule and it's going to turn off at

1:44:40 ↗ nine o'clock I would imagine there's a

1:44:42 ↗ way that we can make that technology

1:44:43 ↗ work to turn them off at nine o'clock so

1:44:46 ↗ so I apologize I'm asking new questions

1:44:49 ↗ now I see that what the Parks Department

1:44:53 ↗ reports is 8 p.m. on weekdays for city

1:44:58 ↗ community use of your fields ok so does

1:45:04 ↗ that I mean the 10 p.m. the Jewish

1:45:06 ↗ sighting was related to the high school

1:45:12 ↗ skyline and I'm just wondering if if

1:45:15 ↗ it's a middle school and the parks

1:45:18 ↗ department is done at 8 p.m. if we could

1:45:21 ↗ set it at 8:30 or something they could

1:45:23 ↗ turn off at 8:30 because the middle

1:45:25 ↗ school use is generally going to be done

1:45:29 ↗ before that time period there was one of

1:45:35 ↗ the questions from the from the public

1:45:37 ↗ is the scheduling and recognizing the 10

1:45:40 ↗ o'clock with the bright light on may be

1:45:43 ↗ abusive and and so how do how do we how

1:45:49 ↗ to identify when a reasonable time for a

1:45:51 ↗ middle school field activity would be a

1:45:54 ↗ reasonable to be turned off well I would

1:45:56 ↗ anticipate the majority of the youth

1:45:58 ↗ after the school district use is going

1:46:02 ↗ to be Parks and Rec and if they're only

1:46:04 ↗ scheduling till 8 o'clock it would be

1:46:06 ↗ easy to turn the lights off at 8:15 or

1:46:09 ↗ 8:30 or something it was a question I

1:46:20 ↗ had about operations in the need for 10

1:46:22 ↗ o'clock and there was discussion so

1:46:27 ↗ there's this balance before I ask my

1:46:29 ↗ question there's this balance that we're

1:46:30 ↗ trying to find between significant

1:46:32 ↗ investment public dollars in these

1:46:35 ↗ school facilities and trying to maximize

1:46:37 ↗ the benefit of that investment in their

1:46:39 ↗ use and a need in the community for

1:46:41 ↗ athletic fields that people can use well

1:46:43 ↗ at the same time we have people who live

1:46:45 ↗ right next door I want to make sure

1:46:46 ↗ we're sensitive to the impacts that

1:46:50 ↗ they're having so there's it looked like

1:46:53 ↗ and I looked at the information of long

1:46:55 ↗ scheduling between the parks department

1:46:58 ↗ provided it runs a little later on

1:47:00 ↗ weekends during the weekdays it's

1:47:02 ↗ they're done at 8:00 essentially I don't

1:47:04 ↗ know what the school districts plan is

1:47:06 ↗ for operation you know anticipate a

1:47:09 ↗ revenue generation all that stuff about

1:47:11 ↗ how this feels get this particular field

1:47:13 ↗ gets program but I'm looking for an

1:47:19 ↗ alternative that's not ten o'clock yeah

1:47:21 ↗ so particularly during the week

1:47:23 ↗ personally I think that's a little bit

1:47:25 ↗ late to have an activity going on right

1:47:28 ↗ next to a neighborhood that's this close

1:47:31 ↗ to this particular use now in the future

1:47:33 ↗ that might change that with some

1:47:35 ↗ experience but it seems that finding an

1:47:39 ↗ appropriate time that it strikes a

1:47:41 ↗ balance and I am not in the middle of

1:47:43 ↗ the operations of the school and

1:47:47 ↗ neighbor but idea of we condition it

1:47:51 ↗ we've got to remember that's the

1:47:52 ↗ condition of the approval and they have

1:47:54 ↗ to come back and amend the permit to

1:47:56 ↗ change it right so I don't know where

1:47:59 ↗ other commissioners are how they feel

1:48:02 ↗ about I mean here operations of the

1:48:05 ↗ field and where the right balance is

1:48:06 ↗ from a condition standpoint that we

1:48:08 ↗ might want to oppose it's different than

1:48:10 ↗ tan or whether you believe tenzin

1:48:12 ↗ appropriate I absolutely agree with you

1:48:14 ↗ I wonder what the impacts would be if we

1:48:16 ↗ change that 10 p.m. to 9 p.m. when I go

1:48:22 ↗ a step further and say 7:30 yeah you

1:48:25 ↗ know I think most of my questions were

1:48:29 ↗ answered who determines that is it

1:48:31 ↗ the parks department or the school

1:48:34 ↗ determines that deadlines are if that is

1:48:38 ↗ what is the norm if we do limit it to

1:48:40 ↗ eight for instance is that allowing the

1:48:43 ↗ parked parks department the full

1:48:45 ↗ potential so so I don't know who would

1:48:49 ↗ address that question for them to hold

1:48:53 ↗ events at the field so given what we've

1:48:59 ↗ heard from the community I would push

1:49:01 ↗ for an earlier time so the slide that I

1:49:06 ↗ happen to had up a moment ago

1:49:15 ↗ so the information I was looking at was

1:49:20 ↗ so the four city fields they go until 10

1:49:24 ↗ p.m. which was my er and not reading

1:49:28 ↗ closely enough to see that for city and

1:49:32 ↗ community use of ISDN fields it's 8 p.m.

1:49:35 ↗ on weekdays and 5 p.m. on Saturdays so I

1:49:40 ↗ mean I I completely agree with

1:49:44 ↗ Commissioner Brennan that we're trying

1:49:46 ↗ to strike a balance between an

1:49:48 ↗ investment and a public facility that

1:49:50 ↗ it's not just the school but the city is

1:49:54 ↗ using and trying to limit the impact to

1:49:57 ↗ the neighborhood and the fields are not

1:50:02 ↗ a revenue generator the policy set up so

1:50:05 ↗ that local users basically have the fees

1:50:08 ↗ waived in the worst case condition if

1:50:12 ↗ it's rented out by a public or not a

1:50:14 ↗ public but a private user non-local

1:50:17 ↗ resident group it's $40 an hour so the

1:50:21 ↗ school districts not making money off

1:50:23 ↗ the use of the fields and I think that

1:50:25 ↗ coordination with parks and recs

1:50:28 ↗ scheduling makes a lot of sense I mean

1:50:31 ↗ that was the primary user for the

1:50:33 ↗ extended hours the middle school itself

1:50:36 ↗ is going to use the fields for a period

1:50:38 ↗ of time after school but that's not

1:50:41 ↗ going to go beyond the 8 p.m. timeframe

1:50:50 ↗ um what kind of rules do you have posted

1:50:53 ↗ at the school fields are they I don't

1:50:58 ↗ know if you saw the one that the school

1:51:00 ↗ district used to have I mean the city's

1:51:02 ↗ Parks and Rec Department rules are

1:51:04 ↗ pretty similar for turf fields Lucy I'm

1:51:10 ↗ sorry I didn't hear your question oh I

1:51:12 ↗ apologize I was asking I was it was

1:51:15 ↗ related to the bottom point about

1:51:17 ↗ restrictions and the school district had

1:51:19 ↗ provided a list and it's one of the

1:51:23 ↗ attachments in your packet I'm just

1:51:26 ↗ trying to find it so I can its

1:51:29 ↗ attachment 5 on page 39 of your packet

1:51:33 ↗ which was the cities these are the older

1:51:37 ↗ rules that they're in the process of

1:51:38 ↗ updating but I was curious what kind of

1:51:42 ↗ rules were posted at the school fields

1:51:46 ↗ and if I mean ours could certainly be

1:51:52 ↗ part of that but I think that in trying

1:51:55 ↗ to understand the impacts to the

1:51:57 ↗ neighborhood or I mean telling you not

1:52:00 ↗ to park where you're not supposed to

1:52:01 ↗ park is not going to have an impact what

1:52:03 ↗ are your what about no amplified sound

1:52:05 ↗ yes I think if that I yes I think things

1:52:09 ↗ that relate directly to the field are

1:52:11 ↗ wise I think the other things are going

1:52:12 ↗ to have we're gonna have to deal with

1:52:14 ↗ operationally it if I'm reading the the

1:52:22 ↗ frequency of events there's no Sunday

1:52:24 ↗ event scheduled that they aren't allowed

1:52:26 ↗ to use the fields on Sunday it says

1:52:27 ↗ Monday to Friday and Saturdays but is

1:52:31 ↗ there any restriction on Sunday use I'm

1:52:37 ↗ not aware that there is or is not I'm

1:52:40 ↗ sorry I'm not aware that there is or is

1:52:42 ↗ not okay

1:52:51 ↗ I'm sorry I'm sorry

1:52:53 ↗ well any use of the fields has to be

1:52:56 ↗ scheduled and if it's not a scheduled

1:53:01 ↗ event to feel the the perimeter fencing

1:53:04 ↗ is going to be locked so if there's

1:53:06 ↗ somebody on the field that's not

1:53:07 ↗ scheduled to be a user then they're

1:53:11 ↗ using a deal illegally and trespassing

1:53:16 ↗ I'm a little concerned with that there

1:53:22 ↗ seemed to be a number of unmet

1:53:24 ↗ obligations as far as parking and

1:53:26 ↗ speeding and driving through gates and

1:53:29 ↗ that kind of thing and so to to rely on

1:53:31 ↗ the notion that if there's not a permit

1:53:35 ↗ that the field won't be used and that if

1:53:37 ↗ it is used somebody will trespass what

1:53:39 ↗ we apparently we can't even figure out

1:53:40 ↗ how to make sure we get somebody to go

1:53:42 ↗ in and turn the lights on or off what

1:53:45 ↗ what's the obligation what's the what's

1:53:47 ↗ the recourse of the the neighborhood

1:53:50 ↗ when after five o'clock there's a use on

1:53:53 ↗ the field and who are they supposed to

1:53:54 ↗ call or what are they supposed to do if

1:54:00 ↗ the school ring have a phone number

1:54:01 ↗ posted and they can call the phone

1:54:05 ↗ number they'll get them into touch with

1:54:08 ↗ the school district security Department

1:54:12 ↗ there's a known okay so I'm betting -

1:54:19 ↗ those are people that are available

1:54:20 ↗ after hours and they do expect calls

1:54:23 ↗ there's not going to be the a button

1:54:24 ↗ buddy that's reliably going to be on

1:54:27 ↗ campus on Sunday so just security person

1:54:32 ↗ those personnel are and you know they

1:54:36 ↗ are aware that they get calls so

1:54:42 ↗ more questions yeah I'm trying to come

1:54:46 ↗ back to that condition number five and

1:54:50 ↗ talk a little bit more about amendments

1:54:52 ↗ that we might want to introduce here

1:54:54 ↗ just a couple kind of questions and

1:54:58 ↗ maybe this is more toward the chair in

1:55:00 ↗ the Commission and that's establishing

1:55:03 ↗ the hours of limitation the the code

1:55:06 ↗ says on the one ii sense it's about you

1:55:10 ↗ need to trim off as soon as possible

1:55:12 ↗ following the end of the event in no

1:55:14 ↗ time at our new longer than 30 minutes

1:55:17 ↗ well that's in the code whether we have

1:55:19 ↗ enough condition or not it's applicable

1:55:21 ↗ i mean we don't do get to strike the

1:55:23 ↗ code requirements and that's something

1:55:25 ↗ that's already in there that the issue

1:55:27 ↗ for me is that that the limit on the

1:55:30 ↗ lighting period on months like you where

1:55:35 ↗ you don't need light up until nine

1:55:37 ↗ o'clock right now i mean you can use the

1:55:39 ↗ third tunnel doing that they can use the

1:55:41 ↗ fields without light i think the concern

1:55:42 ↗ here is lighting the field and the

1:55:45 ↗ ongoing activity that that creates

1:55:47 ↗ during the darker periods of the year so

1:55:50 ↗ i'm this notion of trying to it's fairly

1:55:54 ↗ conservative from an operation

1:55:55 ↗ standpoint but this eight o'clock cutoff

1:55:57 ↗ that is typical for most events seems to

1:56:00 ↗ be an appropriate place and then like i

1:56:04 ↗ said at some point into the future

1:56:06 ↗ if that isn't workable or we find that

1:56:10 ↗ there's different ways to manage this

1:56:13 ↗ that it would allow later and then they

1:56:15 ↗ would have to come back and amend but i

1:56:16 ↗ i'm generally comfortable with eight

1:56:19 ↗ o'clock i think that's reasonable to

1:56:21 ↗ light the maximum period of lighting

1:56:23 ↗ would occur up until 8 p.m. and then

1:56:28 ↗ also the code says that there needs to

1:56:31 ↗ be lighting that's not the field

1:56:34 ↗ lighting but lighting for allowing

1:56:36 ↗ people to exit in clean up after an

1:56:39 ↗ event so that's a code requirement so

1:56:42 ↗ somehow the plan needs to reflect that

1:56:44 ↗ it sounds like from what mr. crawford

1:56:47 ↗ said it doesn't include that right now

1:56:49 ↗ that's a city code requirement so two

1:56:53 ↗ thoughts I one is in terms of the

1:56:57 ↗ low-level lighting I think that was

1:57:01 ↗ addressed through the rest of the

1:57:02 ↗ lighting for the site so that I think

1:57:06 ↗ the issue is when do the sports field

1:57:08 ↗ lights go off because the site lighting

1:57:10 ↗ is already present the one suggestion I

1:57:15 ↗ would have relative to the you're

1:57:18 ↗ absolutely correct of course that the

1:57:20 ↗ code says it has to go off as soon as

1:57:22 ↗ possible no longer than thirty minutes

1:57:24 ↗ if if we set a time though I think there

1:57:28 ↗ would be value in the condition

1:57:30 ↗ clarifying the relationship between the

1:57:32 ↗ thirty minutes and when the lights have

1:57:35 ↗ to go off is the thirty minute if it's

1:57:37 ↗ if it's supposed to be off at eight

1:57:38 ↗ o'clock is the thirty minutes then that

1:57:41 ↗ means the events have to end at 7:30 or

1:57:43 ↗ are we saying that the events end by

1:57:46 ↗ 8:00 and the lights are off by 8:30

1:57:48 ↗ because I think going forward we'll have

1:57:50 ↗ some confusion about it just like we are

1:57:53 ↗ having and reading the not so well

1:57:56 ↗ worded condition about how those two

1:57:59 ↗ pieces relate to one another and

1:58:02 ↗ clarifying that would be I think really

1:58:04 ↗ helpful for all parties it seems like a

1:58:10 ↗ railway right I don't know if there any

1:58:15 ↗ I mean III have a word document with all

1:58:17 ↗ the conditions so we can edit it on

1:58:19 ↗ screen I think the question is are there

1:58:22 ↗ any other items that we want to address

1:58:25 ↗ or is it just that condition it does

1:58:29 ↗ seem like there would be value to adding

1:58:31 ↗ a condition that rules will be it posted

1:58:33 ↗ including no amplified sound and I don't

1:58:38 ↗ know if there are other items that are

1:58:41 ↗ worth specifying in that I did have one

1:58:45 ↗ other question it was just I didn't

1:58:48 ↗ understand it what constitute a special

1:58:50 ↗ event and in are those allowed or those

1:58:54 ↗ not allowed I was unclear on that

1:58:56 ↗ so special event permits the definitions

1:59:01 ↗ is unfortunately vague I I did go to the

1:59:05 ↗ person who manages those permits to try

1:59:07 ↗ and get some clarity around that and I

1:59:10 ↗ think that's why the example of the high

1:59:13 ↗ school sporting events not requiring a

1:59:17 ↗ special event permit was given because

1:59:19 ↗ that was sort of it's it's more by how

1:59:22 ↗ it's been used I mean it typically is

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1:59:27 ↗ more significant events like runs where

1:59:30 ↗ you're closing down streets or the

1:59:32 ↗ American volleyball tournament that has

1:59:35 ↗ been coming for the last few years where

1:59:38 ↗ you have significant and unanticipated

1:59:42 ↗ activities and traffic in certain

1:59:46 ↗ locations so I I'm kind of deducing this

1:59:52 ↗ it is not spelled out but because it's a

1:59:55 ↗ sports field that there would be games

1:59:58 ↗ would not lead to a special event permit

2:00:02 ↗ because the sporting events are

2:00:05 ↗ anticipated and and they are currently

2:00:08 ↗ allowed as yes just at that point Kevin

2:00:12 ↗ our Commissioner I'm sorry is not the

2:00:16 ↗ distinction between a school district

2:00:18 ↗ event a city sponsored event and a

2:00:22 ↗ private event because special is is

2:00:25 ↗ almost unnecessary an event is by

2:00:29 ↗ definition is a special happening that's

2:00:33 ↗ when an event is so if the clarification

2:00:36 ↗ is to it for these purposes

2:00:40 ↗ wouldn't it be as at the school event is

2:00:43 ↗ it an ISD event is it a city parks

2:00:46 ↗ sponsored event or is it a private event

2:00:50 ↗ well I guess my question would be well

2:00:56 ↗ we can make those distinctions I'm not

2:00:58 ↗ sure that the experience of the

2:00:59 ↗ neighborhood would be different in terms

2:01:03 ↗ of a sporting event on those fields

2:01:08 ↗ and typically their traffic control

2:01:11 ↗ plans predominantly I mean there's

2:01:15 ↗ clearly work to be done with the

2:01:17 ↗ neighborhood and but I'm not sure that

2:01:23 ↗ the special event permit would fix would

2:01:25 ↗ fix the concern that the valid concerns

2:01:27 ↗ that are being raised the majority of

2:01:29 ↗ users are leagues and ongoing teams so

2:01:33 ↗ that there's not that higher percentage

2:01:38 ↗ of just individual users there's not

2:01:41 ↗ much time that's left over after the

2:01:43 ↗ league's gets finished scheduling

2:01:45 ↗ typically they're actually looking for

2:01:47 ↗ more time and they all know that if they

2:01:51 ↗ don't abide by the rules they don't get

2:01:54 ↗ scheduled so that's a sort of somewhat

2:01:59 ↗ self policing issue there's more demand

2:02:02 ↗ for the use of the fields than there is

2:02:03 ↗ time available and so if they're not

2:02:06 ↗ behaving they're not going to get

2:02:08 ↗ rescheduled they're not going to have

2:02:09 ↗ use of the fields would it be possible

2:02:11 ↗ to place a condition of no special

2:02:12 ↗ events or is that outside the purview of

2:02:14 ↗ this particular hearing can you say more

2:02:17 ↗ of what you're thinking well just say no

2:02:20 ↗ special events by permit or otherwise

2:02:23 ↗ outside so then the question becomes

2:02:25 ↗ what a special event is is the middle

2:02:29 ↗ school use of the field until 6:30 a

2:02:33 ↗ special event is from 6:30 to 8 o'clock

2:02:36 ↗ a special event because it would

2:02:39 ↗ seemingly be that the school district or

2:02:43 ↗ Parks and Rec would have to apply for a

2:02:44 ↗ special event for nearly every night to

2:02:49 ↗ accommodate the potential use and I

2:02:51 ↗ don't know how long in advance you have

2:02:52 ↗ to apply for a special use permit well I

2:02:56 ↗ I guess so let me explore what you might

2:03:00 ↗ see if I gathering so if there is a

2:03:05 ↗ sporting event on the field that

2:03:07 ↗ wouldn't seem like a special event but

2:03:09 ↗ are you exploring that if it was used

2:03:13 ↗ for a flea market

2:03:16 ↗ or some something inconsistent with its

2:03:20 ↗ most obvious use that then

2:03:22 ↗ would that qualify as a special event

2:03:24 ↗ yes and outside of the normal hours of

2:03:27 ↗ operation I think that would constitute

2:03:29 ↗ special as well special permission to

2:03:31 ↗ exceed the hours of operation that we

2:03:33 ↗ know we define here that feels special

2:03:38 ↗ but you know I guess we can't have it

2:03:42 ↗ both ways and say no special events

2:03:46 ↗ aren't allowed but or none of the events

2:03:49 ↗ are actually special and not allowed you

2:03:51 ↗ know it we have to define it somehow and

2:03:56 ↗ I think yeah what would step outside the

2:04:01 ↗ expected use of those fields I think is

2:04:06 ↗ one way so I think the hours of

2:04:09 ↗ operation you're talking about what

2:04:10 ↗ those hours would be so I think that I

2:04:15 ↗ guess my question is those are

2:04:19 ↗ artificial turf right would you allow

2:04:22 ↗ anything other than a sporting event on

2:04:24 ↗ an artificial turf field well there

2:04:29 ↗ might be some events that don't that

2:04:33 ↗ would abide by the rules of the use of a

2:04:35 ↗ turf field that wouldn't normally occur

2:04:37 ↗ and if I would I would concur that if

2:04:39 ↗ something were to be proposed that was

2:04:43 ↗ outside of the approved hours then it's

2:04:45 ↗ certainly a special event off the top of

2:04:47 ↗ my head I can't think of anything

2:04:48 ↗ particularly but maybe there's a Breast

2:04:51 ↗ Cancer Walk or something that brings in

2:04:53 ↗ a larger number of people then ain't

2:04:56 ↗ normal

2:04:57 ↗ yeah I think that'd be the best

2:04:59 ↗ mechanism is time especially when the

2:05:01 ↗ high school is available for special

2:05:03 ↗ events so it's not as though we're

2:05:05 ↗ eliminating the possibility overall but

2:05:08 ↗ to allow it on both sites it seems like

2:05:13 ↗ something we could do

2:05:17 ↗ so are you suggesting that if both

2:05:20 ↗ fields are in use simultaneously it

2:05:22 ↗ becomes a special event

2:05:24 ↗ well no I'm saying we just limit the

2:05:28 ↗ middle school to have no special events

2:05:31 ↗ the high school it sounds like already

2:05:33 ↗ and have special events

2:05:35 ↗ why do both of them need it there's

2:05:37 ↗ already a venue in place

2:05:39 ↗ why couldn't we limit it in the middle

2:05:42 ↗ limit limit the use of the middle school

2:05:43 ↗ to no special events and again maybe I

2:05:49 ↗ may be down a rabbit trail here that

2:05:51 ↗ isn't in the purview of this and maybe

2:05:53 ↗ the time limits are enough framework for

2:05:55 ↗ that I guess I guess I would suggest

2:05:59 ↗ that it kind of doesn't matter whether

2:06:02 ↗ it's an event or a special event if you

2:06:03 ↗ close it off at 8 o'clock it doesn't

2:06:05 ↗ matter right you can call whatever you

2:06:07 ↗ want right and I think your statement

2:06:10 ↗ that it probably has more to do with the

2:06:11 ↗ time than than anything else and if the

2:06:14 ↗ if the heart and Rec heart and fast rule

2:06:16 ↗ is whatever we don't care what you do

2:06:18 ↗ whatever you do have to be done at 8

2:06:20 ↗ o'clock the lights go out at 8 o'clock

2:06:21 ↗ so you have to be done at 7:30 if you

2:06:23 ↗ want we're talking just about the middle

2:06:26 ↗ school yes no that's that's well that's

2:06:29 ↗ that's what we're talking about here ok

2:06:36 ↗ either other questions I had a question

2:06:40 ↗ for our lighting specialist if if that

2:06:44 ↗ was appropriate Thank You mr. Crawford

2:06:45 ↗ kind of appreciate your standing in you

2:06:51 ↗ know one of the one of the comments that

2:06:52 ↗ somebody from the public made or maybe

2:06:54 ↗ several talked about the ability to

2:06:57 ↗ screen some of the lighting and I while

2:06:59 ↗ it looked like from the from the

2:07:02 ↗ photograph the lighting photograph had a

2:07:04 ↗ lot of a lot of the lighting stayed

2:07:06 ↗ within the field is there ways to shield

2:07:08 ↗ the light bulbs so they can't be seen I

2:07:11 ↗ mean I that that seemed to be a major

2:07:13 ↗ concern especially from the trail along

2:07:18 ↗ side the bus parking terminal or

2:07:21 ↗ whatever it's called again I'm going

2:07:23 ↗ brain-dead sorry so from a from a

2:07:26 ↗ lighting perspective is there a way to

2:07:28 ↗ put shielding on the light so you can't

2:07:29 ↗ see him from behind sure it's a pretty

2:07:32 ↗ common thing to do it's called what we

2:07:34 ↗ call a house side shield and it's

2:07:36 ↗ essentially a piece of sheet metal

2:07:38 ↗ painted black that sort of wraps around

2:07:41 ↗ the backside of the fixture although I

2:07:43 ↗ will say one of the reasons I

2:07:45 ↗ recommended that we have a field

2:07:47 ↗ verification of what the actual

2:07:48 ↗ performance is is that these fixtures in

2:07:52 ↗ particular are better shielded than most

2:07:56 ↗ things that people are familiar with so

2:07:59 ↗ they've already got really good

2:08:00 ↗ shielding built into them and it may not

2:08:01 ↗ be necessary so but a field verification

2:08:05 ↗ is really the only way to determine if

2:08:07 ↗ that's true or not and particularly

2:08:09 ↗ because here we've got quite a broad

2:08:12 ↗ change in the topography as Lucy

2:08:15 ↗ mentioned before the people who are

2:08:16 ↗ lower than the field are going to be

2:08:18 ↗ more significantly impacted than the

2:08:20 ↗ people who are higher than the field and

2:08:22 ↗ so they're the ones who if a shield

2:08:25 ↗ would benefit someone it would be the

2:08:27 ↗ people on the lower side of the field

2:08:29 ↗ and and the kinds of calculations that

2:08:32 ↗ have been submitted don't really give

2:08:34 ↗ you that information because they assume

2:08:37 ↗ everything's flat around it so that's

2:08:40 ↗ why you need to do the field or the site

2:08:42 ↗ verification to determine that but it's

2:08:44 ↗ it is possible to do

2:08:47 ↗ you know an iPod if you said your name

2:08:50 ↗ well I didn't I'm Denice Fong hey thank

2:08:52 ↗ you I said it but that was a long time

2:08:55 ↗ ago okay

2:08:56 ↗ I've got a short good memories just

2:08:58 ↗ short mr. Chavez since mr. Fong is at

2:09:01 ↗ the microphone can I ask a follow-up

2:09:02 ↗ absolutely

2:09:03 ↗ look miss Fong can you describe the

2:09:05 ↗ process of doing the assessment what is

2:09:07 ↗ how do you go about making a

2:09:09 ↗ determination as to whether they're

2:09:10 ↗ complying with conditions and the city's

2:09:13 ↗ code and then making a determination as

2:09:15 ↗ to whether shielding would be

2:09:16 ↗ appropriate or not that's a good

2:09:17 ↗ question so one of the things we do

2:09:19 ↗ there are recommended standard

2:09:22 ↗ illumination levels for fields of this

2:09:25 ↗ kind of use so one of the things we

2:09:27 ↗ would do is we would actually measure

2:09:28 ↗ the light levels on the field to see

2:09:30 ↗ that they don't exceed what the

2:09:32 ↗ recommended levels are so that's one

2:09:33 ↗ part but that doesn't really address

2:09:36 ↗ potential glare to neighbors that live

2:09:38 ↗ around the perimeter so for that

2:09:41 ↗ unfortunately that's not something

2:09:43 ↗ that's easily measured it's really

2:09:45 ↗ something that's more of a visual

2:09:47 ↗ assessment so as Lucy mentioned she

2:09:50 ↗ drove around and sort of got as close as

2:09:53 ↗ she could to certain areas to sort of

2:09:55 ↗ take a look what we've done in other

2:09:58 ↗ neighborhoods particularly when there's

2:09:59 ↗ been the kind of concern that these

2:10:01 ↗ neighbors have is schedule it with their

2:10:04 ↗ knowledge of when it's being scheduled

2:10:06 ↗ and then ask if some of them would allow

2:10:08 ↗ us to stand in their front windows to

2:10:11 ↗ see what we can actually see from their

2:10:13 ↗ window because that's what the concern

2:10:15 ↗ is and if they're willing to do that

2:10:17 ↗ then we can actually you know make that

2:10:21 ↗ kind of a button assessment somehow I

2:10:25 ↗ think they would be willing I sort of

2:10:26 ↗ got it if they would choose so taking a

2:10:29 ↗ wild guess yeah so that means please

2:10:31 ↗ make sure that your emails are clearly

2:10:34 ↗ written on the sheet so that I can

2:10:37 ↗ contact you because there's actually one

2:10:42 ↗ of the new the new condition that I that

2:10:45 ↗ was added to the sheet which I can pull

2:10:47 ↗ up and I don't minds up there had to do

2:10:50 ↗ with making that assessment oh good

2:10:55 ↗ yeah so new condition number six is

2:10:58 ↗ aimed fixtures and provide shielding

2:11:00 ↗ such that the fixtures do not create

2:11:02 ↗ adverse glare conditions for any drivers

2:11:04 ↗ on the adjacent second avenues southeast

2:11:08 ↗ I think that we would then add that you

2:11:13 ↗ know that we would also assess from the

2:11:16 ↗ residences and shield to the best of our

2:11:19 ↗ ability by actually being in their yards

2:11:23 ↗ absolutely question on that would the

2:11:26 ↗ verification test be done in the evening

2:11:28 ↗ or when is when would that be in test

2:11:29 ↗ they had to be done after dark yeah so

2:11:33 ↗ depending on the time of year like this

2:11:35 ↗ time of year it has to be you know ten

2:11:37 ↗ really we couldn't we couldn't do it

2:11:40 ↗ this time of year until about probably

2:11:42 ↗ ten thirty because it's not fully dark

2:11:43 ↗ until then if it didn't happen till the

2:11:47 ↗ fall then it would be you know earlier

2:11:49 ↗ so it just depends on the time of year I

2:11:50 ↗ wonder if there's any way to capture the

2:11:53 ↗ community's own opinions on the view of

2:11:56 ↗ the lighting from their own residences

2:11:59 ↗ during or after that verification test

2:12:02 ↗ well they would be a part of the

2:12:04 ↗ verification so they are feeding back

2:12:06 ↗ directly on this it's not just the city

2:12:08 ↗ being in the yard though they're going

2:12:10 ↗ to ask him if they can go in their

2:12:11 ↗ houses sorry can I ask one more question

2:12:19 ↗ following up on that is would there be

2:12:22 ↗ then any announcement community wide

2:12:25 ↗ that this test is occurring that would

2:12:28 ↗ allow people outside of this room that

2:12:29 ↗ aren't a party to this conversation to

2:12:32 ↗ to be aware that this test is going on

2:12:35 ↗ so I I think that that the 300 foot

2:12:41 ↗ notice that we have been mailing I will

2:12:45 ↗ say I'm getting a lot of them back but I

2:12:47 ↗ I think that the important thing is also

2:12:50 ↗ that people let their neighbors know but

2:12:53 ↗ we could send postcards and you know set

2:12:56 ↗ a time at which we are going to go out

2:13:00 ↗ and do the evaluation okay yeah I think

2:13:02 ↗ that would be good just to notify

2:13:04 ↗ everyone as best as possible

2:13:08 ↗ more questions

2:13:14 ↗ how about comments I do have a question

2:13:19 ↗ this is more of a maybe it's more of an

2:13:24 ↗ information for the Commission and staff

2:13:27 ↗ and the residents at here but this does

2:13:28 ↗ see have restricted restricted

2:13:31 ↗ residential parking zones and do they

2:13:33 ↗ use that to try to control spill or

2:13:35 ↗ parking no we've discussed them but they

2:13:40 ↗ haven't gone forward

2:13:42 ↗ aye aye aye so the one thing I will say

2:13:46 ↗ is that I know that three additional

2:13:49 ↗ police officers were hired for

2:13:51 ↗ enforcement for a trial period and I

2:13:56 ↗ don't know exactly I you know I'm I

2:13:59 ↗ don't know their schedule or exactly how

2:14:02 ↗ they're doing more enforcement but our

2:14:06 ↗ PCs residential parking zones have not

2:14:10 ↗ been used in the city yet

2:14:18 ↗ I think we'd sit yeah so any other

2:14:23 ↗ questions yes so tonight we heard 90%

2:14:28 ↗ about the operational issues probably

2:14:30 ↗ and the lading was kind of the trigger

2:14:31 ↗ for all that discussion so I wonder what

2:14:34 ↗ advice you could give the community in

2:14:37 ↗ terms of getting more support for all of

2:14:40 ↗ the operational problems we heard

2:14:42 ↗ tonight it sounds as though the police

2:14:45 ↗ support that's supposed to be there is

2:14:46 ↗ not there so what do they do I you know

2:14:50 ↗ it's hard for us to imagine that they

2:14:52 ↗ spend half their working day calling the

2:14:55 ↗ police department making a case that

2:14:56 ↗ it's a mess out there where you suggest

2:14:59 ↗ they go what's what's their next step

2:15:00 ↗ since we're focused on lighting here

2:15:02 ↗ well I guess what I would suggest

2:15:05 ↗ looking at the director is that he and I

2:15:09 ↗ need to be reporting back to the mayor

2:15:16 ↗ you know I might make a suggestion here

2:15:20 ↗ too and I've heard a few folks from the

2:15:22 ↗ neighborhood make this comment about

2:15:24 ↗ communication more frequent and

2:15:28 ↗ communication between the school

2:15:29 ↗ district particularly administration on

2:15:31 ↗ the school properties because mr.

2:15:33 ↗ Crawford's here his job is to deliver

2:15:35 ↗ new buildings and manage the facilities

2:15:37 ↗ but not dealing with the day-to-day

2:15:39 ↗ operational on guessing operations of

2:15:42 ↗ these schools and so somehow we've got

2:15:43 ↗ to connect up the people who are

2:15:45 ↗ impacted directly by the operation of

2:15:47 ↗ the school the principal with the

2:15:49 ↗ principal or the administration of the

2:15:51 ↗ schools so that there's a more frequent

2:15:53 ↗ dialogue some sort of a good neighbor of

2:15:56 ↗ committee or something like that that

2:15:58 ↗ allows that that to happen so that

2:16:00 ↗ there's the frustrations are expressed

2:16:03 ↗ solutions are discussed maybe there's

2:16:07 ↗ something there so it seems like because

2:16:09 ↗ of the intensity of school use in this

2:16:12 ↗ particular area these neighborhoods are

2:16:14 ↗ certainly feeling the impact from that

2:16:16 ↗ grow that that might be something to

2:16:18 ↗ explore I'm sorry I'm sorry

2:16:26 ↗ public okay you know when I was reading

2:16:35 ↗ this packet and thinking back over the

2:16:37 ↗ length of this issue I apologize for

2:16:40 ↗ what I'm about to say but I kept

2:16:41 ↗ thinking of an old Steve Martin routine

2:16:44 ↗ how to make a million dollars and pay no

2:16:46 ↗ taxes first make a million dollars

2:16:50 ↗ second pay no taxes what to say to the

2:16:54 ↗ IRS when they say you made a million

2:16:56 ↗ dollars and you didn't pay any taxes two

2:16:59 ↗ words

2:16:59 ↗ I forgot that seems to be what we're

2:17:04 ↗ dealing with here there is an the

2:17:07 ↗ problem with communications is the

2:17:09 ↗ illusion that it occurs and on this

2:17:11 ↗ particular subject we have had a couple

2:17:15 ↗ of years of experience now of breakdowns

2:17:18 ↗ in communications down to and including

2:17:21 ↗ an overzealous contractor my opinion is

2:17:27 ↗ that this is a textbook example of the

2:17:32 ↗ kind of failure of communications that

2:17:35 ↗ causes public cynicism and lack of faith

2:17:39 ↗ in our democratic system at the

2:17:42 ↗ municipal level and it's got to be fixed

2:17:44 ↗ and this is symptomatic of an opera this

2:17:48 ↗ is actually an opportunity or the city

2:17:51 ↗ and the school district to start talking

2:17:55 ↗ together to address a problem that this

2:17:58 ↗ commission has heard at least for the

2:18:02 ↗ last five years on ISDN related projects

2:18:07 ↗ and their impact on the community it's

2:18:10 ↗ not not to change soon

2:18:16 ↗ so that sounded more like a comment and

2:18:19 ↗ i know i was i stupid I thought we were

2:18:22 ↗ going to comment the question I were

2:18:23 ↗ over I'm sorry I'm right no that sounds

2:18:25 ↗ like that was a great comment and I

2:18:26 ↗ think we would probably all agree with

2:18:28 ↗ that we've heard we've heard a lot of

2:18:31 ↗ that failure to communicate come back so

2:18:35 ↗ how about other comments since we're at

2:18:39 ↗ permanent decision it's probably past

2:18:41 ↗ comment period but we got to make a

2:18:43 ↗ choice okay that would be my comment

2:18:46 ↗ okay so I think it would be useful now

2:18:53 ↗ to if we could pull the conditions up

2:18:58 ↗ maybe hone in on what we're gonna do

2:19:00 ↗ here

2:19:45 ↗ can you read that or is it too small I'd

2:19:47 ↗ be just a little bigger for me but I'm K

2:19:49 ↗ my eyes are I was trying to get it all

2:19:51 ↗ on one page but I understand the problem

2:19:54 ↗ yes ma'am

2:19:56 ↗ we have it in our packets on page 23 and

2:20:04 ↗ then then new what I added here and on

2:20:09 ↗ your motion cheat

2:20:10 ↗ oh let's try the easy one I wouldn't

2:20:17 ↗ maybe suggest that we work with the new

2:20:21 ↗ one first since it's only two lines and

2:20:23 ↗ we can do this and maybe we add to the

2:20:28 ↗ language says after Lissy would read

2:20:34 ↗ conditions for any drivers on adjacent

2:20:37 ↗ second Avenue South East and to minimize

2:20:40 ↗ glare and neighbor neighboring

2:20:42 ↗ residential properties the idea here

2:20:45 ↗ maybe this isn't the right wording but

2:20:46 ↗ the idea here is that we're going to

2:20:49 ↗ evaluate light fixtures for glare to

2:20:51 ↗ make sure we don't create a road hazard

2:20:52 ↗ but we're also going to be looking at it

2:20:54 ↗ from a from the impact of the

2:20:57 ↗ residential properties and the use of

2:20:59 ↗ the word minimize doesn't always mean

2:21:01 ↗ we're going to be able to stock it

2:21:02 ↗ because there may be other things in

2:21:04 ↗ that limit the ability to shield it but

2:21:06 ↗ at least we would take a look at the

2:21:08 ↗ impact and see what we can do to really

2:21:15 ↗ minimize the goal any potential bulb

2:21:17 ↗ glare that might occur and that would

2:21:20 ↗ generally be driven by the topography I

2:21:21 ↗ think as we heard earlier I I took the

2:21:24 ↗ liberty of adding another sisters agree

2:21:28 ↗ in just a couple of tweaks there so that

2:21:30 ↗ the fixtures delete two of the fixtures

2:21:33 ↗ do not create percent

2:21:39 ↗ and then I think you don't need the two

2:21:42 ↗ before minimize Claire I love having an

2:21:46 ↗ editor I thought I would jump in before

2:21:49 ↗ commissioner Harrison because I knew he

2:21:51 ↗ was ready to go any other additions or

2:22:00 ↗ edits to number six good let's do 5 next

2:22:10 ↗ yeah I think that my sense was there was

2:22:15 ↗ general agreement at 8 o'clock or or

2:22:17 ↗ that can't remember 5 5 during the week

2:22:21 ↗ and 8 o'clock on the weekend on Saturday

2:22:22 ↗ night is that what the city thing was it

2:22:30 ↗ it is way around 8 o'clock on weekends

2:22:33 ↗ weekdays it's 8 p.m. on weekdays and 5

2:22:36 ↗ p.m. on weekends right now I just I

2:22:40 ↗ think it's easier just to set it time

2:22:42 ↗ 8:00 coming and I think the weekdays are

2:22:45 ↗ actually more sensitive to time having

2:22:48 ↗ the lights on than the weekend would be

2:22:49 ↗ personally but again I don't live next

2:22:52 ↗ door to one I've played on fields that

2:22:54 ↗ are lighted but I think I would actually

2:22:58 ↗ do the opposite if we're going to

2:23:00 ↗ restrict the time so I think I would

2:23:01 ↗ personally stay with 8 o'clock as the

2:23:03 ↗ standard it's easier to administer to

2:23:05 ↗ that way and I would also add to that

2:23:09 ↗ and others can suggest other but I would

2:23:13 ↗ also add that the Imus sports field

2:23:16 ↗ lighting will be limited to use up to 8

2:23:19 ↗ so that would put that and I'd actually

2:23:21 ↗ lose it put that I mean I'm just started

2:23:25 ↗ typing I'll move it wherever doing it so

2:23:28 ↗ in the very first line once you finish

2:23:32 ↗ so you're suggesting moving that up to

2:23:35 ↗ the beginning yeah

2:23:40 ↗ oops

2:23:45 ↗ right then you can just spike the first

2:23:47 ↗ and strike the second set essentially

2:23:49 ↗ it's worth so I'm wondering about Lucy's

2:23:59 ↗ concern regarding the ambiguity there so

2:24:02 ↗ what I would suggest is maybe adding

2:24:05 ↗ something to the effect of I'm IMS

2:24:07 ↗ sports field lighting will be limited to

2:24:09 ↗ a p.m. which will include the allotted

2:24:14 ↗ 30 minutes subsidy for something all

2:24:18 ↗ right I actually here's what I would do

2:24:21 ↗ with that and you then you could have at

2:24:23 ↗ it is I think I would leave it that's a

2:24:27 ↗ very direct statement that it says

2:24:29 ↗ lighting will be limited to 8 p.m. use

2:24:32 ↗ of the lighting that means all cases

2:24:34 ↗ you're done at 8 p.m. the lights need to

2:24:35 ↗ come down it also add that field lights

2:24:38 ↗ may be turned off as soon as possible

2:24:40 ↗ falling or you shall be turned off as

2:24:42 ↗ soon as possible following the end of

2:24:44 ↗ the event and no and at no time longer

2:24:47 ↗ than 30 minutes following the end of the

2:24:49 ↗ game or the event but in no case past 8

2:24:52 ↗ p.m. just to emphasize the deadline but

2:24:55 ↗ the idea here is and as technology

2:24:57 ↗ allows for I think you can as mr.

2:24:59 ↗ Crawford was saying when these fields

2:25:01 ↗ get scheduled they may have one event

2:25:03 ↗ it's going to end at 6 o'clock they can

2:25:06 ↗ program the lights to go down at 6:30

2:25:09 ↗ and then the people need to leave and

2:25:11 ↗ then you don't have now the guys that

2:25:14 ↗ want to go play flag football and sneak

2:25:16 ↗ onto the field later so I think the idea

2:25:19 ↗ of trying to maximize or min maximize

2:25:23 ↗ the benefit of hitting the lights down

2:25:25 ↗ sooner than later instead of just

2:25:27 ↗ sitting on 8 o'clock every day so I

2:25:30 ↗ think I mean I don't know how the

2:25:32 ↗ commissioner's field but I think from

2:25:34 ↗ staffs perspective having added the

2:25:36 ↗ phrase that you proposed helps make that

2:25:39 ↗ clear where the 30 minutes fall relative

2:25:41 ↗ to the APM which which was the thing I

2:25:44 ↗ was concerned about

2:25:51 ↗ so the I think the only other condition

2:25:53 ↗ the potential condition that we

2:25:55 ↗ discussed was requiring that rules be

2:25:59 ↗ posted which would include no amplified

2:26:02 ↗ sound let me try it chair you only to

2:26:22 ↗ try to deal with the amplified sound

2:26:24 ↗ condition so what we sound like there

2:26:28 ↗ was consensus to prohibit the use of

2:26:33 ↗ amplified sound on the field notice of

2:26:38 ↗ this condition will be included with

2:26:43 ↗ field rules placed at entrances to the

2:26:47 ↗ field on a durable sign or so did you

2:26:50 ↗ start over again and I'll I just made

2:26:51 ↗ most of that up as I went so so well

2:26:56 ↗ maybe maybe can you read it back to us

2:26:58 ↗ Susan did you did you do any better than

2:27:00 ↗ I did

2:27:11 ↗ he didn't hear you gee can you save the

2:27:17 ↗ seconds I have to do it in my right was

2:27:20 ↗ not I'm not gonna microphone so you said

2:27:23 ↗ prohibit the use of amplified sound and

2:27:26 ↗ notice of this condition will be

2:27:30 ↗ included with field rules placed at the

2:27:37 ↗ entrance to the field on a durable sign

2:27:44 ↗ it's good thing she can type fast I

2:27:48 ↗ appreciate that I do too okay does that

2:27:53 ↗ read all right should we say each

2:27:55 ↗ entrance I'm not familiar enough to know

2:27:57 ↗ but entrances entrance or the entrances

2:28:03 ↗ your choice I think that's adequate

2:28:06 ↗ actually there was always an athletic

2:28:07 ↗ field regulation signpost it anyway

2:28:09 ↗ right is that right

2:28:10 ↗ like on page 39 I guess I'm 42 right

2:28:13 ↗ that one actually is for the city parks

2:28:16 ↗ okay so all right similar is there a

2:28:19 ↗ similar sign posted on the middle school

2:28:22 ↗ field so we're really just talking about

2:28:23 ↗ adding that condition to that sign right

2:28:26 ↗ that wording to that sign wherever it

2:28:28 ↗ occurs

2:28:32 ↗ he's noting that it would be part of the

2:28:34 ↗ User Agreement so mr. Marsh brought up

2:28:40 ↗ special events and I'm I'm not sure

2:28:43 ↗ exactly where we landed on that and I

2:28:44 ↗ just want to ensure that if there's

2:28:47 ↗ condition language my impression was

2:28:50 ↗ that by limiting the hours you felt that

2:28:53 ↗ you had addressed the kind of didn't it

2:28:59 ↗ kind of didn't matter what kind of event

2:29:00 ↗ it was it was going to be done at 8

2:29:02 ↗ o'clock or 5 o'clock with it so it

2:29:04 ↗ really didn't seem to matter it what he

2:29:07 ↗ called it that isn't that what we yes I

2:29:10 ↗ would agree how's my understand

2:29:18 ↗ so other comments concerns mr. chair

2:29:28 ↗ like make a motion I move that the

2:29:31 ↗ Development Commission approve the

2:29:32 ↗ revision to master site plan MSP 14000

2:29:37 ↗ 0-2 and site development permit SDP 14-0

2:29:42 ↗ zero zero zero one four days of qua

2:29:44 ↗ middle school to allow sports field

2:29:46 ↗ lighting project number prj 12 - zero

2:29:49 ↗ zero zero three one three as described

2:29:52 ↗ and evaluated in the staff report memo

2:29:55 ↗ dated May 31st 2018 with attachments one

2:29:59 ↗ through six and subject to the revised

2:30:02 ↗ conditions contained in the staff memo

2:30:04 ↗ new condition number six presented by

2:30:07 ↗ staff this evening and the amendments

2:30:09 ↗ made by the Commission this evening

2:30:19 ↗ yeah second yeah yeah we need a second

2:30:22 ↗ if that's a discussion I think there I

2:30:26 ↗ think it's really attachment or a new

2:30:30 ↗ condition number six and seven right

2:30:32 ↗ thank you yes and edits to number five

2:30:35 ↗ and edits number five right I said it's

2:30:39 ↗ me deceiving but yes yeah all of all of

2:30:41 ↗ the above yes thank you

2:30:43 ↗ so discussion further discussion is

2:30:47 ↗ there a second yes

2:30:49 ↗ okay in rent didn't didn't Commission

2:30:52 ↗ some I thought somebody's saying I'm

2:30:54 ↗ sorry

2:30:55 ↗ one second okay thank you

2:30:58 ↗ now discussion a further discussion all

2:31:02 ↗ those in favor of the amendment as

2:31:04 ↗ proposed with the corrections say aye

2:31:05 ↗ aye opposed no mr. chair I move that the

2:31:13 ↗ Development Commission directed

2:31:15 ↗ development services department to

2:31:16 ↗ prepare findings of fact and conclusions

2:31:18 ↗ for review and approval by the by the

2:31:21 ↗ development commission chair affirming

2:31:23 ↗ the development Commission's decision to

2:31:24 ↗ approve the revision to the Issaquah

2:31:26 ↗ middle school sports field lighting

2:31:28 ↗ project master's site plan MSP 14000 0-2

2:31:33 ↗ and site development permit number SDP

2:31:36 ↗ 14 - is zero zero zero zero one subject

2:31:40 ↗ to the conditions listed in the staff

2:31:41 ↗ memo modified this evening in this

2:31:44 ↗ evening staff presentation and amended

2:31:46 ↗ here this evening including the

2:31:48 ↗ additional conditions with amendments we

2:31:56 ↗ have a second have a second all right

2:31:59 ↗ any discussion okay all those in favor

2:32:03 ↗ of approval say aye aye aye opposed the

2:32:12 ↗ motion is approved so that ends our

2:32:18 ↗ discussion are public hearing meeting on

2:32:19 ↗ the on the middle middle school land use

2:32:22 ↗ permits I don't know who wants to stay

2:32:25 ↗ for the roof

2:32:26 ↗ form of Gilman lots but before anybody

2:32:29 ↗ leaves contrary to some of the comments

2:32:32 ↗ made earlier the the reality is that as

2:32:35 ↗ you get together and voice your concerns

2:32:37 ↗ the city listens and we hear and we

2:32:39 ↗ appreciate the effort being made by the

2:32:42 ↗ by the community to be able to really

2:32:45 ↗ let us know how they feel that's really

2:32:46 ↗ a vital part of this democratic process

2:32:48 ↗ and we appreciate it a lot thank you so

2:32:52 ↗ Lucy do you want to so following our

2:33:00 ↗ meeting I guess about a month ago where

2:33:04 ↗ you approve the site development permit

2:33:06 ↗ for the work lofts we you had written a

2:33:13 ↗ condition regarding the form of the roof

2:33:15 ↗ and there was a lot of discussion about

2:33:17 ↗ whether it was complex enough or met the

2:33:20 ↗ intent of the architectural design

2:33:23 ↗ manual and so the applicant went back

2:33:27 ↗ made some changes staff looked at the

2:33:31 ↗ roof in particular so we're bringing

2:33:33 ↗ this back just to kind of close the loop

2:33:35 ↗ with the Commission so your condition

2:33:39 ↗ number six was that roof form shall be

2:33:42 ↗ more complex through the use of dormers

2:33:44 ↗ or other features consistent with Arts

2:33:46 ↗ and Crafts style so I I include our

2:33:49 ↗ first seminal in the lower right hand

2:33:51 ↗ corner mostly because it's just a good

2:33:53 ↗ view to see what the form of the roof is

2:33:56 ↗ even though it's continued to evolve

2:33:57 ↗ since that time and these are from the

2:34:03 ↗ middle which you approved this is the

2:34:07 ↗ Third's middle where they have added an

2:34:09 ↗ additional dormer I think in staff

2:34:14 ↗ looking at this additionally our

2:34:16 ↗ thoughts were that part of the one of

2:34:20 ↗ the characteristics

2:34:24 ↗ sorry words are failing me at this hour

2:34:26 ↗ one of the characteristics of arts and

2:34:30 ↗ crafts is that it's limited to 200 feet

2:34:32 ↗ and I think having to address this

2:34:34 ↗ condition is identifying why why there

2:34:37 ↗ that

2:34:38 ↗ why there is that limitation but and

2:34:42 ↗ part of the reason I put the aerial

2:34:45 ↗ perspective up is I think it shows the

2:34:47 ↗ that the roof has more complexity than

2:34:52 ↗ maybe it appears to begin with because

2:34:53 ↗ it has the two wings the double roofs at

2:34:59 ↗ the front the two bridges which are

2:35:02 ↗ visible from the front there are now

2:35:07 ↗ proposed to be 2 dormers on the east and

2:35:09 ↗ then the dormer and the chimney on the

2:35:12 ↗ west and so so then to kind of step back

2:35:18 ↗ into the manual again for a moment just

2:35:22 ↗ to remind you that complex was not a

2:35:24 ↗ defined term that there we're relying on

2:35:28 ↗ the phrases from the massing section of

2:35:32 ↗ Arts and Crafts as well as the images

2:35:34 ↗ that it's if the term is more complex

2:35:39 ↗ roof form steep pitched gable ends and

2:35:42 ↗ dormers and intersecting ridges and so I

2:35:45 ↗ know that one of the Commission's

2:35:47 ↗ concerns was as our first shot out of

2:35:50 ↗ the barn we don't want to reduce through

2:35:57 ↗ precedent the effectiveness of the terms

2:36:00 ↗ and so I think that while we may not

2:36:03 ↗ have hit it perfectly I think that we

2:36:05 ↗ have not we have worked a lot on the

2:36:10 ↗ roofs they've added quite a few elements

2:36:12 ↗ consistent with the terminology and the

2:36:15 ↗ imagery and I think staffs conclusion

2:36:18 ↗ was that this was sufficient to achieve

2:36:21 ↗ the goal of the architectural standards

2:36:27 ↗ but we as I said we wanted to close the

2:36:29 ↗ loop with the Commission

2:36:36 ↗ questions looks like a good solution to

2:36:40 ↗ me and I think we should remember that

2:36:42 ↗ the first bullet really says I think

2:36:44 ↗ more complex reforms than craftsman so

2:36:48 ↗ it's not an ultimately complex reform it

2:36:52 ↗ simply says more complex than craftsman

2:36:54 ↗ I think you've done a good job of trying

2:36:57 ↗ to recreate a traditional style in a

2:37:01 ↗ more contemporary building no problem

2:37:04 ↗ with it I agree I think I think it's an

2:37:11 ↗ improvement to what we saw it's modest

2:37:13 ↗ but it does break the building up a

2:37:15 ↗ little bit more adds a little more

2:37:16 ↗ complexity which I think we were looking

2:37:18 ↗ for I think what you said was well

2:37:20 ↗ stated about we're trying to find our

2:37:22 ↗ way and how we apply these new

2:37:24 ↗ regulations and understand them so this

2:37:27 ↗ was I think a really good first one to

2:37:29 ↗ pry because it added some challenges for

2:37:32 ↗ us to try to figure out how it fit and

2:37:34 ↗ then when we did figure out how it fit

2:37:37 ↗ and what style trying to figure out how

2:37:39 ↗ to make those characteristics work and I

2:37:43 ↗ think end of the day I think the

2:37:44 ↗ building improved fairly significantly

2:37:47 ↗ from the original so we'll see how it

2:37:51 ↗ keep how it goes now that we have these

2:37:53 ↗ standards in place as the Commission

2:37:55 ↗ works I think it is a really great new

2:37:58 ↗ set of tools for us and we just have to

2:38:00 ↗ practice using them and I I agree I

2:38:04 ↗ think it's almost ironic that we had

2:38:06 ↗ these two agenda items in the same

2:38:09 ↗ meeting because this this one to me is

2:38:13 ↗ encouraging encouraging in terms of the

2:38:15 ↗ process in turn in terms of having this

2:38:18 ↗ new toolbox figuring out which tool to

2:38:21 ↗ apply to achieve the desired goal and I

2:38:25 ↗ believe that as has been noted by my

2:38:27 ↗ fellow commissioners that the

2:38:29 ↗ improvements that have been made are

2:38:31 ↗ good and consistent so would you go back

2:38:35 ↗ one slide you that that's a middle

2:38:38 ↗ number three I I was looking at some

2:38:42 ↗ middle one we took the fire plate the

2:38:44 ↗ this chimney off right that that's not

2:38:46 ↗ any long

2:38:47 ↗ part of the other side so write that so

2:38:52 ↗ the side that we're looking at in up in

2:38:55 ↗ this upper right-hand corner this side

2:38:58 ↗ right here is the one we're looking at

2:39:00 ↗ here and the chimney is on the other

2:39:03 ↗ side I know that there was a lot of

2:39:06 ↗ discussion about the chimney I can't

2:39:08 ↗ remember where we ended up so the reason

2:39:10 ↗ for it right it wasn't right it wasn't

2:39:14 ↗ completely gratuitous okay so I just

2:39:25 ↗ have one last comment with respect to

2:39:27 ↗ precedents like well yes this does

2:39:29 ↗ potentially set a precedent but I I

2:39:31 ↗ guess I'd like to emphasize to all of us

2:39:33 ↗ precedent really lies with us going

2:39:34 ↗ forward right and so it's a lesson

2:39:36 ↗ learned to understand these tools study

2:39:41 ↗ these tools and use them to great effect

2:39:44 ↗ to enhance enhance the buildings that

2:39:47 ↗ come through after this one it you know

2:39:51 ↗ it really is with us and I guess what

2:39:55 ↗ I'm saying is I don't have that much

2:39:56 ↗ concern about this setting and negative

2:39:58 ↗ precedent although in the end of the day

2:40:02 ↗ it's not perfect it meets the spirit of

2:40:06 ↗ the design criteria and and it really

2:40:08 ↗ does just lie with us going for minute

2:40:12 ↗ so that's all I have to say and thanks

2:40:13 ↗ for all your work on yeah and I think we

2:40:15 ↗ I think we all feel better about the

2:40:18 ↗ product that we're getting at the end

2:40:19 ↗ then we might have a year ago sure right

2:40:22 ↗ I think so so well and and I think you

2:40:26 ↗ know I know many of the commissioners

2:40:28 ↗ have said this I and I was just thinking

2:40:32 ↗ about it as you were speaking one of the

2:40:34 ↗ things that I always do with my staff is

2:40:37 ↗ during some nice weather month like

2:40:40 ↗ August we we take a day and we go to all

2:40:42 ↗ the buildings that have been built that

2:40:44 ↗ year and we'll talk about whether we

2:40:46 ↗ think they worked or not and what didn't

2:40:48 ↗ work and what ARLA because pictures are

2:40:51 ↗ never and drawings are never the same as

2:40:54 ↗ the reality right and so it may mean

2:40:56 ↗ that we need to have some field trips

2:40:58 ↗ with the Commission to

2:41:00 ↗ you know once a year go out and look and

2:41:02 ↗ see how the things that we worried over

2:41:06 ↗ are those the things we should have

2:41:08 ↗ worried over if our is the language in

2:41:10 ↗ the design manual getting us the thing

2:41:13 ↗ you know is addressing the things so

2:41:15 ↗ there is are there clarifications or

2:41:18 ↗ additional tools I mean I I know that we

2:41:21 ↗ have really emphasized that it's a

2:41:23 ↗ living document and I think we have to

2:41:24 ↗ be thoughtful and creative about how we

2:41:26 ↗ go about achieving that and it may not

2:41:29 ↗ be sitting in this room I'm gonna be

2:41:31 ↗ delighted to take part in you know

2:41:33 ↗ expedition you've always wanted to do

2:41:36 ↗ site visits I think it was really

2:41:37 ↗ helpful when when we were putting them

2:41:40 ↗ in the design manual together that we

2:41:42 ↗ all were encouraged to go out and look

2:41:43 ↗ at buildings that we thought were good

2:41:44 ↗ bad and ugly you know and so being able

2:41:47 ↗ to look at what we built this year or

2:41:48 ↗ what was built this year or even the

2:41:50 ↗ last couple of years would be huge and

2:41:52 ↗ the other comment I wanted to make was

2:41:55 ↗ the notion of you're going to invite the

2:41:57 ↗ public to offer their houses and views

2:42:00 ↗ on those lighting it I'd like the

2:42:02 ↗ Commission to be aware of when sure

2:42:04 ↗ absolutely that makes a lot of sense so

2:42:08 ↗ the other thing keeps not here you know

2:42:12 ↗ there's the moratorium has been lifted

2:42:15 ↗ there are a bunch of new tools some of

2:42:19 ↗ which you know he worked on some I

2:42:22 ↗ worked on so you know different people

2:42:24 ↗ have worked on them I think that we are

2:42:27 ↗ hoping before because we don't have any

2:42:31 ↗ immediate projects that are coming in

2:42:33 ↗ under the manual or mean or that are

2:42:35 ↗ like ready to come to you that we have

2:42:39 ↗ talked about doing a mock project

2:42:41 ↗ because there are new district vision

2:42:48 ↗ tools that have developer obligations

2:42:52 ↗ there affordable housing tools their

2:42:54 ↗ parking you know there's a number of

2:42:56 ↗ things and we want to make sure that we

2:42:59 ↗ have an opportunity to have without an

2:43:02 ↗ applicant a frank and good test of of

2:43:08 ↗ those so that you all have an

2:43:11 ↗ opportunity to be familiar

2:43:13 ↗ with them before you're actually getting

2:43:15 ↗ an application ahead of time and and I

2:43:18 ↗ assigned that to him are you gonna be at

2:43:22 ↗ the North Bend meeting on the 16th of

2:43:26 ↗ June the state planning seminar oh no

2:43:33 ↗ commissioner Morgan and I have signed up

2:43:36 ↗ for it but short course no I did not

2:43:39 ↗ sign up for that no she's a professional

2:43:41 ↗ plan yeah but here's what I will say

2:43:45 ↗ thank you very much mr. Brennan and

2:43:48 ↗ who's gonna be instructing I will say

2:43:55 ↗ that when all of you know our four new

2:43:59 ↗ planners started last year I had them go

2:44:02 ↗ to the same short course last year

2:44:04 ↗ because as a short course in state

2:44:07 ↗ planning and we had several planners

2:44:09 ↗ from out of state and planners who had

2:44:13 ↗ not necessarily worked in the public

2:44:16 ↗ setting on on this side of the table you

2:44:18 ↗ know various it is an excellent way to

2:44:20 ↗ get a picture would you be willing to

2:44:24 ↗ send that is it too late to sign out I

2:44:27 ↗ just completely zoned that out but I

2:44:29 ↗ would like to attend that laughs she's

2:44:30 ↗ bolide out it's too late yeah I don't

2:44:32 ↗ agree

2:44:34 ↗ would you send that out I'll look for it

2:44:36 ↗ yep appreciate it thank you

2:44:38 ↗ Lucy also it may be 15 years ago I don't

2:44:42 ↗ remember when the city did this but one

2:44:46 ↗ of the things that I remember distinctly

2:44:47 ↗ in terms of a positive experience for

2:44:50 ↗ the Commission and perspective and

2:44:52 ↗ education and communication was there

2:44:54 ↗ was a an evening where we convened here

2:44:58 ↗ got on a bus and went to Mercer Island

2:45:01 ↗ and to Bellevue and met with planners

2:45:04 ↗ there about their challenges

2:45:08 ↗ basically what you know what we're

2:45:10 ↗ facing now and as I recall there was a

2:45:15 ↗ consulting company that was working with

2:45:19 ↗ the city at the time that went on that

2:45:22 ↗ trip with us and talked about you know

2:45:25 ↗ on the way out and back

2:45:27 ↗ and I found that to be a very very

2:45:30 ↗ helpful experience to see what our

2:45:34 ↗ colleagues in other local Eastside towns

2:45:38 ↗ were doing and why and what their

2:45:40 ↗ problems were and you know if we can do

2:45:43 ↗ that again or just at least consider it

2:45:45 ↗ it might be fine I wasn't that that was

2:45:50 ↗ a long time ago

2:45:50 ↗ it was before my tongue he's just but I

2:45:53 ↗ mean we did do that with you VDC in the

2:45:56 ↗ very beginning the other thing so to

2:45:59 ↗ thoughts as Nishita indicates we we have

2:46:04 ↗ a new commissioner we have a training

2:46:07 ↗ videotaped trainings that i will send

2:46:10 ↗ you a lesson to all the commissioners

2:46:12 ↗ but I particularly want mashita to see

2:46:14 ↗ it and at our next meeting we will need

2:46:21 ↗ to elect a president and vice president

2:46:24 ↗ or chair and vice chair of the

2:46:27 ↗ Commission so be thinking about that and

2:46:31 ↗ we'll include it on the agenda for the

2:46:36 ↗ comments so looking at the hour I think

2:46:39 ↗ it's time to adjourn

2:46:56 ↗ you

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