Transportation Advisory Board · Thursday, October 21, 2021 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Staff report:

TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD Staff Liaison Stephen Padua, Senior Transportation Planner About Email Stephen Padua Created in 2017, the board provides additional expertise and advice on the City's Regular Members transportation system and goals. The board is 2022 – Sujata Goel also the lead advisory group on the 2022 – Micah Zeitz-Chua implementation and management of the City’s 2023 – Kristi Tripple Master Mobility Plan (MMP). 2023 – Dave Waggoner 2023 – Joseph Zhang* Membership 2024 – Cynthia Krass The Transportation Advisory Board is 2024 – Janie Walzer comprised of nine regular members, and up to 2025 – Erika Boyd three alternates. All members are appointed 2025 – Tom McDonald by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire April 30 of the Alternate Members year listed. For more information, 2022 – Jeri Bernstein see IMC 2.92 and Rules & Regulations. 2022…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of Sept. 22, 2021

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APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 09-22-21 Transportation Advisory Board Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Transportation Advisory Board 6:00 PM Virtual Meeting September 22, 2021 MINUTES

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Park's Wayfinding Signs Program

Information · Jennifer Fink, Planner and Project Administrator · packet pp.9–32

Topics: Parks

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Wayfinding & City Signage Informational Update 10/21/21 |TRANSPORATION ADVISORY BOARD

Newport Way Maple to Sunset

Information · John Mortenson, Transportation Engineering Manager · packet pp.33–58

Topics: Transportation

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Provide information to the Board in order to ask for input about the Newport Way Concept from the TAB and Parks Board at a special joint meeting

Traffic Calming Guidelines

Discussion · Isabel Diaz, Senior Transportation Engineer · packet pp.59–136

Topics: Transportation

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Staff report:

Traffic Calming Guidelines Update OCTOBER 21, 2021 | TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD

5. REPORTS

Board Work Plan

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• Discuss transit system 1/21/21 • Transportation Improvement Program update introduction FEBRUARY AUGUST 2/4/21 • TIP / Mobility Master Plan project 8/19/21 • Transportation Improvement Program prioritization

Staff Report

Chair Report

Youth Report

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

The next meeting is scheduled for 6:00 p.m. on November 18, 2021

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0:02 ↗ okay i'm going to open the meeting

0:05 ↗ it's 602 pm my name is cynthia cross i'm

0:07 ↗ currently the chair of the

0:08 ↗ transportation advisory board this is

0:10 ↗ the regular october meeting of the

0:12 ↗ transportation advisory board

0:15 ↗ we have um

0:17 ↗ let's see

0:19 ↗ a quorum um and that quorum is

0:22 ↗ includes two members who are alternates

0:25 ↗ who are now

0:26 ↗ escalated elevated to regulars uh which

0:29 ↗ would matter if we were voting on things

0:31 ↗ but we're not voting we're just um but i

0:33 ↗ think it's just as a matter of form good

0:36 ↗ to acknowledge that thank you guys all

0:38 ↗ for being here

0:39 ↗ um

0:40 ↗ the first order of business is to

0:42 ↗ approve the minutes and i did learn

0:45 ↗ something that there's a even smoother

0:47 ↗ way to do minutes um

0:50 ↗ and rather than uh it becomes part of

0:52 ↗ the consent agenda unanimous consent i'm

0:55 ↗ seeking approval of minutes by unanimous

0:57 ↗ consent

0:58 ↗ and then i pause and see if anybody has

1:00 ↗ any objections or addendums or changes

1:04 ↗ which i actually do

1:06 ↗ but normally if there weren't any i

1:07 ↗ would pause hearing none i would just

1:09 ↗ say hearing none they're approved as

1:10 ↗ presented but i did actually notice

1:12 ↗ something that was just not quite right

1:14 ↗ so

1:15 ↗ i'm gonna um

1:16 ↗ amend it

1:18 ↗ and then i'll ask for unanimous consent

1:21 ↗ as amended

1:24 ↗ i switch screens i'm assuming you can

1:25 ↗ still see me

1:27 ↗ uh i just wanted to make a note um

1:29 ↗ there was a comment in there on the

1:31 ↗ chair report

1:33 ↗ it was as presented was cynthia reported

1:35 ↗ that the city mayor asked for capital

1:37 ↗ finance committee unit task force to be

1:39 ↗ shared with the board for

1:40 ↗ recommendations it's actually not

1:42 ↗ exactly

1:43 ↗ the um situation and or what was

1:46 ↗ reported

1:47 ↗ uh i reported that in on my proposed

1:49 ↗ amendment is simply reported that the

1:51 ↗ city mayor has formed a capital finance

1:53 ↗ community task force with

1:54 ↗ representations from all boards and

1:57 ↗ commissions including the tab and that

1:58 ↗ cynthia will bring back updates to the

2:01 ↗ tab as appropriate

2:03 ↗ so i am seeking a pool of minutes as

2:05 ↗ amended by unanimous consent

2:10 ↗ and now i'm hearing no objections

2:14 ↗ so the minutes are approved as amended

2:19 ↗ cool yeah in the uh task force

2:22 ↗ i'm the chair and it was

2:24 ↗ mentioned to me that this is a preferred

2:26 ↗ way of doing minutes so it took longer

2:28 ↗ this time but that will be how they'll

2:30 ↗ be presented in the future it's a little

2:31 ↗ uh cleaner and a little more official

2:34 ↗ since it's harder to vote

2:37 ↗ on zoom

2:38 ↗ so uh

2:39 ↗ that with that i'll move on to agenda

2:42 ↗ item three public comment do we have

2:44 ↗ public comment i believe we do this

2:46 ↗ evening i'll remind our

2:48 ↗ uh folks we're super happy that you're

2:50 ↗ here we don't get a ton of public

2:51 ↗ comments so we're always anxious to hear

2:53 ↗ what's on people's minds and um

2:56 ↗ we have uh i think we have voted in our

2:58 ↗ bylaws to limit it to three minutes

3:00 ↗ uh and we do ask you to tell us what

3:03 ↗ your relationship is with the city and

3:04 ↗ that if you choose could be your address

3:07 ↗ or some other relevant factor so

3:10 ↗ isabelle do we have

3:12 ↗ public comment

3:15 ↗ yes we do have

3:17 ↗ right now for attendees which i will be

3:21 ↗ um

3:23 ↗ giving the opportunity for public

3:25 ↗ comments in the order that i am seeing

3:27 ↗ them

3:30 ↗ starting with

3:34 ↗ someone identified as cm

3:41 ↗ you can oh

3:45 ↗ again you can speak now right but do i

3:48 ↗ get video

3:50 ↗ oh we don't see you but we can hear you

3:52 ↗ right but i think i

3:55 ↗ typically can get video so people can

3:58 ↗ see

3:58 ↗ and here because it's easier to actually

4:01 ↗ absorb information if they all can see

4:02 ↗ me

4:04 ↗ isabel you can promote her to a panelist

4:08 ↗ and then demote her when she's done

4:09 ↗ speaking let me try that is that working

4:12 ↗ oh yeah there we go thank you

4:16 ↗ i'm always that one at the meeting you

4:17 ↗ know everybody knows that

4:20 ↗ okay so oops i'll turn on the like my

4:23 ↗ name is connie marsh

4:25 ↗ and i want to speak

4:27 ↗ on both topics at the same

4:30 ↗ basically at the same time

4:32 ↗ uh wayfinding

4:34 ↗ now

4:36 ↗ wayfinding has been making me crazy

4:38 ↗ because from what i can see long long

4:40 ↗ ago we all said we need wayfinding so

4:43 ↗ that we can get around town and our

4:44 ↗ businesses can be found and we can find

4:46 ↗ the highlands and we know where things

4:48 ↗ are

4:49 ↗ and um then there was a a wayfinding

4:52 ↗ thing that actually got funded that was

4:54 ↗ the parks department with a

4:57 ↗ a

4:58 ↗ parks signage and wayfinding for trails

5:01 ↗ and

5:02 ↗ somehow this seems to have

5:05 ↗ translated itself

5:07 ↗ into a way finding for municipally owned

5:12 ↗ properties

5:14 ↗ and in all the information that has gone

5:16 ↗ out except for your agenda there there

5:20 ↗ is the comment that one of the things

5:22 ↗ that people should be able to find is

5:24 ↗ businesses and so i want to say i think

5:28 ↗ it is equally important for people to

5:30 ↗ find that businesses in

5:32 ↗ issaquah highlands so they know where it

5:34 ↗ is they need to know that there's

5:36 ↗ businesses in hilah crossing and they

5:40 ↗ it's it's not just about finding

5:43 ↗ municipal places if you're going to call

5:45 ↗ it

5:46 ↗ wayfinding and if that is the intent and

5:50 ↗ also in the more detailed language if

5:52 ↗ you look at it um there was a lot of

5:55 ↗ emphasis

5:56 ↗ on uh the scale for pedestrians and

6:00 ↗ bicyclists in the small scale and what's

6:03 ↗ coming out here is obviously for

6:05 ↗ automobiles and gateway signage so i

6:09 ↗ don't know that i have

6:11 ↗ too much

6:12 ↗ issue with it i think my larger issue is

6:16 ↗ if we're going to do something like this

6:18 ↗ in phases then we have to make sure that

6:22 ↗ this same style of sign is funded and we

6:25 ↗ get a complete signage system that this

6:27 ↗ is just not sort of a one-off project

6:30 ↗ that gets us some signs

6:32 ↗ and then we stop and we do something

6:34 ↗ else

6:34 ↗ um and and i actually spent quite a bit

6:37 ↗ of time

6:38 ↗ grinding through this to try to figure

6:40 ↗ out how we got where we are now

6:44 ↗ so now i'm going to move on to newport

6:46 ↗ way

6:47 ↗ and this is the newport way basically

6:49 ↗ from maple to sunset and i would

6:52 ↗ encourage all of you to walk this

6:55 ↗ because it's a very interesting road you

6:58 ↗ might not know it floods

7:00 ↗ and there's big huge storm drains on

7:02 ↗ either side and those aren't there

7:04 ↗ because the road

7:06 ↗ uh floods

7:08 ↗ and so

7:10 ↗ you also might notice that it's really

7:12 ↗ hard to get across the road you can

7:14 ↗ actually walk down the road but you have

7:17 ↗ to you have to dart across newport way

7:19 ↗ to get across the road for the

7:22 ↗ easternmost portion of the road which is

7:24 ↗ sort of scary and so if we're looking at

7:27 ↗ a pedestrian friendly and bicycle

7:30 ↗ friendly situation

7:32 ↗ uh when i look at at their road profiles

7:36 ↗ what i see is uh that the bike lanes

7:39 ↗ have disappeared

7:41 ↗ is what i think i see

7:43 ↗ and

7:44 ↗ as i walk down the road we have a lot of

7:46 ↗ mature vegetation there

7:48 ↗ and i'm not really sure why we need

7:50 ↗ planter strips

7:52 ↗ because what i think we need to do

7:56 ↗ is is keep as much of the mature

7:58 ↗ vegetation as we can

8:01 ↗ um

8:02 ↗ as we create the road corridor so i

8:04 ↗ would be more of a fan of removing the

8:07 ↗ uh the planter strips and keeping some

8:10 ↗ room for bicycles if if if that's

8:13 ↗ possible i don't know how you're going

8:15 ↗ to deal with the storm drainage and i

8:17 ↗ don't know

8:18 ↗ um

8:20 ↗ that

8:22 ↗ is actually going to be where the

8:25 ↗ community says it wants the mountains to

8:26 ↗ sound greenway trail it is good that you

8:29 ↗ actually discussed it

8:31 ↗ um

8:32 ↗ but

8:33 ↗ i don't think that the community or

8:35 ↗ mounts the sound has had that

8:37 ↗ conversation to establish that trail in

8:39 ↗ any particular place and if you're going

8:42 ↗ to put it there then you have to say oh

8:45 ↗ okay well it goes so far

8:47 ↗ now where does it go does it go down

8:48 ↗ issaquah hobart road

8:50 ↗ because if you do a trail in that

8:53 ↗ corridor it actually has to to go

8:56 ↗ somewhere

8:57 ↗ too

8:58 ↗ so i would encourage you not to look at

9:00 ↗ it in segments

9:02 ↗ and look at it one realistically

9:05 ↗ by walking it and then try to see in

9:07 ↗ your brain how this would work in the

9:10 ↗ future because you want to go all the

9:11 ↗ way to ellensburg on this trail

9:14 ↗ so anyway those are my comments thank

9:16 ↗ you very much

9:19 ↗ thank you connie isabel you have more

9:29 ↗ as well you're on mute

9:32 ↗ sorry about that we have a calling user

9:34 ↗ that i am going to unmute

9:37 ↗ right now

9:39 ↗ you can speak now

9:42 ↗ thank you this is john falstrom

9:44 ↗ 885

9:46 ↗ 7th avenue northwest

9:48 ↗ and i'm calling just to provide some

9:50 ↗ input to the agenda item

9:53 ↗ uh

9:54 ↗ regarding the update of the neighborhood

9:55 ↗ traffic calming program

9:57 ↗ uh over the course of the last several

9:59 ↗ years uh up into and including

10:02 ↗ a letter i wrote to mr bob york public

10:04 ↗ works director on august 30

10:07 ↗ this year

10:09 ↗ um

10:10 ↗ concerned about

10:12 ↗ the amount of

10:14 ↗ pass-through traffic

10:16 ↗ and the speeds and noise created

10:19 ↗ between

10:20 ↗ juniper

10:22 ↗ and northwest holly street on 7th avenue

10:24 ↗ northwest

10:26 ↗ in

10:28 ↗ reviewing the

10:30 ↗ the

10:31 ↗ the neighborhood traffic calming program

10:34 ↗ in the executive summary section 3.1

10:37 ↗ talks about the transportation vision

10:39 ↗ designed to retain the positive

10:41 ↗ attributes and quality of life

10:44 ↗ associated with livable neighborhoods

10:47 ↗ um

10:48 ↗ talks about growth and it's inevitable

10:52 ↗ with an increased tendency to create cut

10:54 ↗ through traffic in residential

10:56 ↗ neighborhoods and absolutely 100 we're

10:59 ↗ seeing that every day going past our

11:01 ↗ house and in our neighborhood

11:03 ↗ uh i've spoken with several of

11:06 ↗ my neighbors

11:07 ↗ uh and it's

11:08 ↗ essentially unanimous consent that

11:11 ↗ something needs to be done on seventh

11:12 ↗ avenue northwest it's being used as a

11:14 ↗ shortcut to get to newport way

11:17 ↗ the street is less than standard street

11:19 ↗ with with parking on both sides allowed

11:22 ↗ often doesn't occur that way

11:25 ↗ it's in a school zone

11:26 ↗ and vehicles

11:29 ↗ most of the time are exceeding

11:31 ↗ the posted speed limit of

11:34 ↗ actually the posted speed limit is 20

11:37 ↗ but that's posted because of it school

11:39 ↗ zone and the time seven till four i

11:41 ↗ believe pm

11:43 ↗ otherwise 25 miles an hour in the city

11:48 ↗ often vehicles are going far in excess

11:50 ↗ of that including school buses delivery

11:53 ↗ trucks

11:54 ↗ and many many many um

11:57 ↗ just cut through traffic

11:59 ↗ uh when i look at the comprehensive plan

12:02 ↗ um section 5.1

12:04 ↗ talks about uh preserving the character

12:10 ↗ of the street category or

12:12 ↗ that the street category is creating

12:14 ↗ little

12:16 ↗ through traffic and to provide movement

12:17 ↗ within neighborhoods and directing

12:19 ↗ traffic to arterials that's not

12:21 ↗ happening

12:22 ↗ talks about in the transportation

12:24 ↗ element the safe and and efficient

12:26 ↗ access and mobility of traffic and

12:29 ↗ people

12:30 ↗ in the land use section

12:32 ↗ talks about preserving the character of

12:34 ↗ residential neighborhoods by

12:35 ↗ establishing maximum allowable traffic

12:38 ↗ volumes on residential streets

12:40 ↗ that are substantially lower than

12:42 ↗ traditional engineering methods would

12:44 ↗ indicate

12:46 ↗ in

12:47 ↗ one of the policy statements talks about

12:49 ↗ to maximize public safety the traffic

12:52 ↗ calming

12:53 ↗ program objectives

12:55 ↗ include slower speed for motor vehicles

12:58 ↗ to create safer streets and a reduction

13:00 ↗ in the need for police enforcement

13:04 ↗ our neighborhood supports

13:06 ↗ the installation of speed bumps on 7th

13:09 ↗ avenue northwest between juniper

13:11 ↗ and northwest hawley

13:14 ↗ it supports posting a reduced speed

13:16 ↗ limit of of 20 miles an hour all the

13:19 ↗ time

13:20 ↗ yet

13:22 ↗ some of the suggestions in addition to

13:24 ↗ that that i have is at the

13:27 ↗ intersection of 7th and holly

13:30 ↗ as your southbound on 7th to make it

13:33 ↗ no right turn allowed

13:36 ↗ and conversely the opposite direction

13:41 ↗ no left turn from hawley to northbound

13:43 ↗ 7th avenue

13:45 ↗ and then

13:47 ↗ in conjunction with that posting um

13:50 ↗ local access

13:51 ↗ no through traffic signage on on that

13:54 ↗ street

13:55 ↗ the um

13:57 ↗ the safety of our neighborhood there is

13:59 ↗ not a week goes by that pulling out of

14:02 ↗ our driveway

14:03 ↗ we don't just about get run over by cars

14:06 ↗ you know speeding down the street

14:08 ↗ so i think it's time to address that i

14:11 ↗ know that we did a traffic study a

14:13 ↗ couple years ago

14:14 ↗ and uh it was said i didn't meet the

14:18 ↗ street did not meet the criteria for

14:19 ↗ traffic calming

14:21 ↗ um i would invite you to come out and

14:23 ↗ take a look

14:25 ↗ because

14:26 ↗ virtually a hundred percent of the

14:27 ↗ traffic um i would say 98 anyway

14:30 ↗ is not residential traffic from 7th

14:33 ↗ avenue northwest and i'm certain there

14:35 ↗ are other streets that are experienced

14:37 ↗ similar but that one is a convenient cut

14:39 ↗ through

14:40 ↗ uh from

14:42 ↗ you know from anywhere out to newport

14:45 ↗ way

14:46 ↗ um

14:47 ↗ those are my comments

14:51 ↗ over a thousand presents

14:53 ↗ thank you

14:55 ↗ isabelle name what else yes we have now

15:00 ↗ sarah can

15:08 ↗ sarah you can speak now

15:10 ↗ thank you isabelle

15:12 ↗ my name is sarah khan and i live on

15:14 ↗ dogwood street northwest longwood street

15:17 ↗ and

15:20 ↗ what's been happening

15:22 ↗ over the past year especially

15:25 ↗ that i've noticed since i've moved here

15:27 ↗ about a year ago

15:28 ↗ is there is an intersection very close

15:30 ↗ to my house on dogwood and front street

15:34 ↗ where there is a

15:36 ↗ confusing

15:38 ↗ traffic signaling setup

15:40 ↗ so that it is

15:42 ↗ difficult and dangerous to

15:44 ↗ drive from dogwood

15:46 ↗ turning left going north on front street

15:49 ↗ which is an access way to

15:52 ↗ the highway to many businesses

15:55 ↗ in that area

15:57 ↗ and the reason is because on front

15:59 ↗ street which is a pretty busy

16:00 ↗ thoroughfare

16:03 ↗ there is no signal

16:06 ↗ for traffic

16:07 ↗ except a signal

16:09 ↗ of a traffic light set up for

16:11 ↗ pedestrians

16:12 ↗ so if a

16:14 ↗ person walking or biking wants to cross

16:17 ↗ front street from dogwood they can press

16:19 ↗ a button the light will

16:21 ↗ turn so that the oncoming traffic on

16:23 ↗ front both ways will need to stop

16:25 ↗ but if you are a

16:27 ↗ resident who is trying to drive on

16:29 ↗ dogwood turning into front street

16:32 ↗ you're basically at the mercy of the

16:34 ↗ traffic

16:35 ↗ congestion which is a lot of the times

16:38 ↗ people passing through

16:40 ↗ issaquah downtown

16:42 ↗ using front street as a thoroughfare to

16:44 ↗ other destinations

16:45 ↗ and

16:46 ↗ several times during the day

16:48 ↗ creates quite a jam

16:50 ↗ so that

16:51 ↗ uh you know a president trying to

16:54 ↗ exit make a left turn is basically

16:57 ↗ prevented from doing that except if a

17:00 ↗ pedestrian comes and presses the button

17:02 ↗ or happens to or if a oncoming traffic

17:05 ↗ person decides they're willing to give

17:08 ↗ right-of-way because the traffic ahead

17:11 ↗ of them is so jammed that they would

17:12 ↗ basically be blocking the intersection

17:14 ↗ which they also do because the signal

17:16 ↗ doesn't make clear that you're not you

17:18 ↗ should not block the intersection

17:21 ↗ because the traffic coming from target

17:22 ↗ only is a stop sign

17:24 ↗ um

17:25 ↗ through some research i've realized you

17:26 ↗ guys have looked at this intersection

17:28 ↗ have future plans to address it look at

17:30 ↗ it thoroughly but i think that what it's

17:33 ↗ happening now is just like an emergency

17:35 ↗ situation because for example the person

17:38 ↗ and this is me my personal experience

17:40 ↗ i've also made video recordings which i

17:42 ↗ can forward to you when you're trying to

17:43 ↗ make a left and it's all jammed

17:45 ↗ a person stops to allow you to go

17:47 ↗ however the oncoming traffic on the

17:49 ↗ other direction can't see you nor can

17:51 ↗ you see it because of the traffic lineup

17:54 ↗ creating

17:55 ↗ a high probability of an accident in the

17:57 ↗ very near future

17:59 ↗ one of the there needs to be like there

18:01 ↗ could be some temporary measures applied

18:03 ↗ here

18:04 ↗ for example

18:06 ↗ traffic

18:07 ↗ signals for

18:08 ↗ both directions not just a pedestrian

18:10 ↗ but also cars coming

18:12 ↗ um

18:13 ↗ through

18:14 ↗ and also clear markings to indicate to

18:17 ↗ the traffic that you should not be

18:18 ↗ blocking the intersection

18:20 ↗ that there

18:21 ↗ is

18:22 ↗ another street that feeds into it needs

18:24 ↗ to

18:25 ↗ the cars need

18:26 ↗ access

18:30 ↗ so

18:31 ↗ that's basically my

18:34 ↗ proposal to you that you

18:36 ↗ re-examine that intersection

18:40 ↗ and

18:41 ↗ consider some immediate fixes to it so

18:44 ↗ not to cause this kind of dangerous

18:47 ↗ uh situation which is not dangerous only

18:49 ↗ just not just because the accident but

18:51 ↗ also because of the road rage because of

18:53 ↗ the unclear signaling i personally have

18:55 ↗ been

18:56 ↗ fingered at

18:57 ↗ first at yelled at simply because i'm

18:59 ↗ trying to make a left turn and it's

19:00 ↗ unclear to the traffic that i have a

19:02 ↗ right of way to do that

19:05 ↗ uh which you know causes the danger of

19:10 ↗ i don't know what people do with road

19:11 ↗ rage but i know that

19:12 ↗ people have guns and you just don't know

19:14 ↗ what's going to happen

19:17 ↗ so

19:18 ↗ so yes i'd like you to consider it and

19:19 ↗ i'm happy to provide further details

19:22 ↗ like as i said i took a video today

19:25 ↗ that indicates

19:26 ↗ like one example of situation where you

19:28 ↗ could also obviously go down there and

19:30 ↗ check it out and see for yourself at

19:32 ↗ various times of the day

19:34 ↗ what's happening

19:35 ↗ at that intersection

19:38 ↗ thank you so much for your time i really

19:39 ↗ appreciate it

19:43 ↗ thank you sarah

19:47 ↗ we have one last comment cynthia

19:52 ↗ this is david

19:54 ↗ poppler

19:57 ↗ david you can speak now

20:01 ↗ great thank you

20:04 ↗ just a few few comments i i

20:07 ↗ didn't understand all the the brown

20:10 ↗ sky and the signs that were

20:13 ↗ included in the the the material you got

20:16 ↗ uh

20:17 ↗ seemed like uh

20:18 ↗ the mountains were blue and the the

20:20 ↗ skies was brown i whatever um signs are

20:23 ↗ really expensive

20:25 ↗ and

20:26 ↗ trying to keep up with things can be

20:29 ↗ hard now the city buildings city halls

20:31 ↗ aren't going to change too much but

20:33 ↗ there will be some changes actually

20:35 ↗ going on with that but uh just be aware

20:37 ↗ of signage

20:39 ↗ and the cost and and doing things that

20:42 ↗ are not going to be too hard to to

20:44 ↗ update

20:46 ↗ um i did

20:47 ↗ my main

20:48 ↗ interest is is of course the um

20:51 ↗ the mountain sound greenway trail and we

20:53 ↗ know pretty much that it's going to come

20:55 ↗ on newport it's going to come to 900 or

20:58 ↗ 17th as the city calls that and where is

21:01 ↗ it going to go from there could go

21:03 ↗ straight ahead

21:04 ↗ um which possibly could mean all those

21:07 ↗ trees along the tibbetts park

21:10 ↗ tibbetts valley park would have to go to

21:12 ↗ get a wider street

21:13 ↗ i've kind of suggested that let's let's

21:16 ↗ try and get it over on maple where you

21:17 ↗ have four traffic lanes already and a

21:20 ↗ widened sidewalk on the north side of

21:22 ↗ that that was meant as kind of a main

21:25 ↗ trail

21:27 ↗ but then when it gets to the

21:29 ↗ intersection of maple

21:31 ↗ and newport we do expect certain of

21:34 ↗ those people to be going down newport um

21:38 ↗ which was fine we got to figure that out

21:40 ↗ but is that really regional bike riders

21:43 ↗ are they going to be actually going

21:46 ↗ um

21:47 ↗ all that on a newport that part of

21:49 ↗ newport that is in your agenda tonight

21:52 ↗ or are they going to be heading off to

21:54 ↗ lakes managed state park the preston

21:56 ↗ trail east lake samamish trail or some

21:59 ↗ other option

22:01 ↗ um i'm not expecting a lot of of

22:04 ↗ mountain sound greenway

22:06 ↗ type people getting less this is salmon

22:09 ↗ season and they want to go to the

22:10 ↗ hatchery or something you know it's it's

22:13 ↗ it's

22:14 ↗ somewhat of a dead end because they're

22:15 ↗ not going to have a certainly not going

22:17 ↗ to have a comfortable ride if they get a

22:19 ↗ little bit get south of town and try to

22:22 ↗ be on the hobart issaquah road

22:24 ↗ it's just not something they're going to

22:25 ↗ want to do even the real crazy serious

22:28 ↗ bikers they're avoiding that road

22:31 ↗ um so let's figure out where that road's

22:34 ↗ going to go now in terms of your

22:36 ↗ tonight's discussion about that segment

22:39 ↗ from maple to sunset um there's some

22:43 ↗ needed there's some some real work has

22:45 ↗ been done on that and thinking of

22:47 ↗ options

22:48 ↗ my biggest concern is safety and that

22:50 ↗ gets into the issue of what we call

22:54 ↗ electric bikes but they're really when

22:56 ↗ you see the size of them they're

22:58 ↗ electric motorcycles and they're going

22:59 ↗ to be that direction and i see kids on

23:02 ↗ some pretty darn big heavy electric

23:05 ↗ motorcycles on the rainier trail not a

23:08 ↗ lot and it's a wide trail 12 feet wide

23:11 ↗ and it's not heavy but it's you're

23:14 ↗ constantly as a walker have to be on

23:17 ↗ alert for that

23:18 ↗ and

23:19 ↗ so getting a place where trying to mix

23:23 ↗ bikes

23:24 ↗ and people on a narrow sidewalk is not

23:26 ↗ going to work and you really almost want

23:28 ↗ the bikes completely

23:30 ↗ separated from pedestrians and one of

23:32 ↗ the options kind of does that more than

23:35 ↗ others but let's

23:37 ↗ you know where are we going to be in 10

23:38 ↗ years with electric electric bikes and

23:42 ↗ and how many people are going to be

23:44 ↗ using that at high speed to get around

23:46 ↗ um

23:47 ↗ and kids on it which aren't which is a

23:50 ↗ concern as well

23:52 ↗ but uh that that needs to be considered

23:54 ↗ um thank you for your your consideration

23:57 ↗ on these issues

23:59 ↗ and um

24:01 ↗ you're dealing with the most expensive

24:03 ↗ issue in the city transportation

24:05 ↗ and

24:06 ↗ on all

24:08 ↗ uh public

24:10 ↗ questionnaires or anytime we try and get

24:13 ↗ information from the public

24:15 ↗ transportation is number one complaint

24:17 ↗ for sure

24:18 ↗ so

24:20 ↗ good good luck and

24:22 ↗ good luck and thank you for your your

24:24 ↗ work on this you're taking on a major a

24:27 ↗ major issue

24:29 ↗ thank you

24:32 ↗ david

24:33 ↗ thank you

24:38 ↗ public comments cynthia okay well that's

24:40 ↗ the

24:41 ↗ uh

24:42 ↗ moving on to item four and um

24:45 ↗ i will let her introduce herself but i

24:47 ↗ didn't say the beginning to welcome we

24:49 ↗ have a

24:50 ↗ visitor guest uh jennifer fink who has

24:53 ↗ the first item on the agenda

24:56 ↗ um

24:57 ↗ i don't think we need to any more

24:59 ↗ introduction i'll just turn it over to

25:00 ↗ you jennifer

25:02 ↗ and let you introduce yourself thank you

25:05 ↗ you make me a presenter

25:08 ↗ so i could share my screen here yes

25:11 ↗ give me just one moment

25:13 ↗ i'm jennifer fink i'm park planner and

25:15 ↗ project administrator with the city of

25:17 ↗ issaquah

25:18 ↗ been here

25:20 ↗ starting my eighth year

25:22 ↗ and um

25:23 ↗ look forward to sharing with you tonight

25:26 ↗ um

25:27 ↗ the wayfinding project and especially

25:31 ↗ in regards to what this means for

25:34 ↗ um

25:38 ↗ hang on here sorry i can't talk and

25:42 ↗ talk and share my screen at the same

25:44 ↗ time obviously

25:46 ↗ um

25:48 ↗ so what this um

25:51 ↗ weight finding actually is going to be a

25:53 ↗ huge benefit to

25:54 ↗ transportation uh throughout the city

25:59 ↗ so um

26:01 ↗ with that um the first three slides i'm

26:03 ↗ gonna talk through i'm getting some

26:05 ↗ noise

26:12 ↗ yeah i'm hearing it too somebody may

26:13 ↗ have accidentally unmuted

26:15 ↗ yeah

26:17 ↗ i am trying to identify

26:21 ↗ who it is okay i think

26:24 ↗ okay i got it super thank you

26:28 ↗ um

26:29 ↗ so with that

26:31 ↗ um

26:32 ↗ first three slides are going we are

26:35 ↗ going to talk about wayfinding and what

26:37 ↗ the scope of this wayfinding project was

26:39 ↗ i need to

26:40 ↗ tell you that from what is in your

26:42 ↗ presentation slide two

26:45 ↗ and four were slightly amended to

26:47 ↗ clarify the difference between the

26:49 ↗ definition of wayfinding and the scope

26:51 ↗ of this phase of the wayfinding work and

26:53 ↗ this change was based upon

26:56 ↗ some questions and feedback we received

26:59 ↗ so for wayfinding what the definition is

27:02 ↗ is wayfinding is a system of signs and

27:04 ↗ visual cues that help people navigate

27:06 ↗ through the city getting residents and

27:08 ↗ visitors and employees to key

27:10 ↗ destinations such as city facilities

27:12 ↗ parks trails businesses schools and

27:15 ↗ transit stops

27:19 ↗ uh key points of a successful wayfinding

27:22 ↗ system include um providing a sense of

27:25 ↗ place an identity kind of a brand you

27:27 ↗ know

27:28 ↗ when you're at a place um that

27:30 ↗ it's part of a city or

27:32 ↗ an area

27:34 ↗ it is also timeless

27:36 ↗ it's legible

27:38 ↗ it also helps in decision making when

27:40 ↗ moving throughout the city

27:42 ↗ and it also informs various modes of

27:44 ↗ travel which is vehicles walking

27:46 ↗ biking and rolling

27:51 ↗ the scope of the city wayfinding project

27:53 ↗ which was our first phase was really to

27:54 ↗ focus um

27:56 ↗ on the public signage for

27:59 ↗ the city of issaquah which included our

28:00 ↗ gateways facilities parks and open space

28:04 ↗ trail heads

28:06 ↗ trails and directional vehicular signs

28:09 ↗ and pedestrian signs

28:12 ↗ this is called a suite of signs

28:16 ↗ as you can see this was from a workshop

28:19 ↗ with our steering group back in december

28:21 ↗ of 19 there is a wide variety of signs

28:24 ↗ out in our park system and other

28:29 ↗ areas within the city

28:30 ↗ and you can tell a lot of our facilities

28:33 ↗ they don't really have a cohesive

28:36 ↗ feel to them and you can also see some

28:38 ↗ of the sign clutter too many lines on

28:41 ↗ some of the signs overlapping signs

28:44 ↗ so we just kind of have a mess that we

28:45 ↗ need to clean up

28:49 ↗ so we started the design process by

28:51 ↗ hiring a consultant team kpg

28:55 ↗ through a request for a proposal process

28:57 ↗ and we also created a steering group and

28:59 ↗ we've held seven meetings from 2019

29:02 ↗ until 2021

29:04 ↗ that steering group consisted of members

29:06 ↗ from the downtown issqua association the

29:09 ↗ chamber

29:10 ↗ christie from the bradley properties but

29:12 ↗ also prior transportation advisory board

29:15 ↗ member nana milligan um when she was on

29:17 ↗ the board sat on this committee as well

29:19 ↗ as representation

29:21 ↗ um we also had park board visitors

29:24 ↗ and also department of natural resources

29:26 ↗ because so much of our land abuts uh

29:28 ↗ department of resources land were just a

29:30 ↗ few names um

29:32 ↗ to talk about

29:33 ↗ that were on that steering group that

29:35 ↗ really led a lot of the design for this

29:37 ↗ process

29:38 ↗ we also did a lot of internal meetings

29:41 ↗ with staff

29:42 ↗ in 2019 and 2021 and the focus of those

29:45 ↗ meetings were design coordination

29:48 ↗ along with our title 18 site code update

29:51 ↗ and also to include maintenance and

29:53 ↗ operations making sure that any signs we

29:55 ↗ put out there

29:57 ↗ could be taken care of replaced if they

29:59 ↗ got damaged

30:00 ↗ and making sure they fit within our

30:02 ↗ system

30:04 ↗ we also worked with some youth at the

30:06 ↗ isquad youth advisory board we also went

30:08 ↗ to the arts commission we've been to the

30:10 ↗ park board twice and the entire month of

30:12 ↗ may we focused on public engagement

30:17 ↗ public engagement you may have seen

30:19 ↗ these signs or billboards out throughout

30:21 ↗ the city we placed them in 12 different

30:22 ↗ locations and we had one of the largest

30:25 ↗ survey responses we have received

30:29 ↗ in the city serving which was over 1 306

30:32 ↗ responses which was wonderful

30:35 ↗ um the survey on these we asked people

30:37 ↗ to provide

30:39 ↗ uh feedback on six different design

30:41 ↗ elements on these four different

30:43 ↗ concepts and those

30:45 ↗ um

30:46 ↗ were purposely qualitative we didn't

30:48 ↗ want to have a winner or a loser because

30:50 ↗ we knew the final design would likely be

30:52 ↗ a culmination of several elements from

30:54 ↗ each of these different designs we asked

30:57 ↗ participants to focus on the six design

30:59 ↗ elements which were aesthetic theme art

31:02 ↗ integration

31:03 ↗ color scheme

31:05 ↗ composition

31:06 ↗ materials finish and

31:09 ↗ did the sign reflect the character of

31:12 ↗ issaquah which was really important

31:15 ↗ um a few key takeaways is that there was

31:17 ↗ no as i said no clear winner on the sign

31:20 ↗ concepts though there were

31:22 ↗ some other takeaways like the younger

31:24 ↗ group preferred the little more edgy

31:27 ↗ black sign where um almost the majority

31:30 ↗ of age group liked some elements within

31:33 ↗ the flora and fauna species but there

31:35 ↗ were some concerns about green being

31:38 ↗ legible out in our environment because

31:39 ↗ we have so much existing green within

31:42 ↗ our space and then the dark equal

31:44 ↗ concern about we are dark very much of

31:46 ↗ the year around here either between rain

31:49 ↗ or

31:50 ↗ winter season and making sure something

31:52 ↗ is legible

31:55 ↗ so

31:56 ↗ all the feedback we received from all

31:58 ↗ the committees and the meetings we have

31:59 ↗ attended as well as the steering group

32:02 ↗ and the 1300 responses has led us into

32:07 ↗ a final

32:09 ↗ concept that we took to the steering

32:11 ↗ committee

32:12 ↗ and we

32:13 ↗ went through and updated some

32:15 ↗ sign concepts it was really important to

32:18 ↗ the steering group that um these signs

32:20 ↗ really reflected issaquah's character

32:23 ↗ and that

32:23 ↗ no one would have a similar sign that

32:27 ↗ you would be know that you are in

32:28 ↗ issaquah this is a city park and or a

32:31 ↗ city trail that you were on

32:34 ↗ um that it was unique and that it also

32:36 ↗ had some visual texture and some

32:38 ↗ interest

32:39 ↗ and also had an art component and we did

32:42 ↗ work with an artist as well

32:44 ↗ in coordination with some of the

32:46 ↗ creative arts district work that is

32:47 ↗ going on to make sure that those we had

32:49 ↗ an artful element included in this but

32:52 ↗ it's also recognizable it's timeless is

32:56 ↗ visible in the natural environment

32:58 ↗ year-round

32:59 ↗ and it was really important that the

33:00 ↗ steering group to the steering group

33:02 ↗ that as we went through this design

33:04 ↗ process that everyone we were working

33:06 ↗ with

33:07 ↗ we just designed um subjective depending

33:11 ↗ upon everyone's eye but that we just

33:12 ↗ build consensus that yes this

33:15 ↗ sign really does feel like yessaquan

33:19 ↗ so with all of that hard work

33:22 ↗ um

33:23 ↗ the team put before us this is our

33:25 ↗ proposed final design as you can see we

33:27 ↗ have some gateway signage

33:29 ↗ uh we also have some vertical gateway

33:32 ↗ signage which is for a vehicular space

33:34 ↗ we also have um gateway signage that

33:37 ↗ would be more for trails regional trail

33:39 ↗ intersections

33:43 ↗ we have uh proposed final designs for

33:45 ↗ city facilities as well as like the city

33:48 ↗ facade which would be like a wall mount

33:51 ↗ and then also some directional city

33:54 ↗ facility signage which would be like for

33:55 ↗ a parking lot or a secondary entrance

33:58 ↗ off another road

34:02 ↗ and we also have as part of the sign

34:04 ↗ suite recreational trailhead signage

34:07 ↗ where we have

34:08 ↗ iconography to

34:10 ↗ help identify what type of trails that

34:12 ↗ are there

34:13 ↗ uses on that trail

34:15 ↗ that would also be on the more urban

34:17 ↗ trails and then we have a recreational

34:19 ↗ trail here um

34:21 ↗ sandwich would be more used in our open

34:23 ↗ spaces where a trail would split

34:26 ↗ we also have some park signage

34:28 ↗ and what is important to know on our

34:29 ↗ city facility signage as well as our

34:31 ↗ park signage we do have addresses on

34:34 ↗ those and so with that we also have the

34:36 ↗ city of issaquah logo

34:38 ↗ um we are looking at ways that should

34:40 ↗ the city's logo change over time um how

34:44 ↗ we could easily replace that little

34:45 ↗ piece of

34:48 ↗ design on the signs but then we also

34:50 ↗ have our major route vehicular like you

34:53 ↗ know where's the library

34:55 ↗ this is where old town is and then we

34:57 ↗ also have our regional trial directional

34:59 ↗ signs

35:03 ↗ here's some photo simulations to kind of

35:05 ↗ identify how these look in the natural

35:08 ↗ environment

35:09 ↗ some of our gateway signage the things

35:11 ↗ to remember these may have different

35:13 ↗ layers to them

35:14 ↗ may also have lighting some of our park

35:17 ↗ signage being there dawn to dusk will

35:19 ↗ not have light sign it or be lit

35:22 ↗ at tonight but you can also see uh

35:24 ↗ recreational signage um for this

35:27 ↗ trailhead down in the lower left-hand

35:29 ↗ side

35:31 ↗ and then what it would look like along a

35:33 ↗ regional trail

35:36 ↗ and then city facility signage

35:39 ↗ and also this is what it would look like

35:41 ↗ on a building mount facade and what the

35:43 ↗ secondary

35:44 ↗ signage would be

35:48 ↗ and major routes making sure that these

35:50 ↗ signs are

35:52 ↗ very

35:54 ↗ obvious to the driver and legible are

35:57 ↗ really important in making sure that

35:59 ↗ they stand out in the natural

36:00 ↗ environment

36:03 ↗ we went round and round on multiple

36:04 ↗ colors and kept coming back to this nice

36:07 ↗ blue that stands out in the green

36:09 ↗ environment

36:10 ↗ but you can see how some of the

36:12 ↗ different gateways um these vertical

36:14 ↗ gateway signages would be lit as well

36:17 ↗ we also worked with our sign code update

36:19 ↗ to ensure all of the proposed sign suite

36:22 ↗ fits within that new updated

36:24 ↗ code so part of our process was also to

36:28 ↗ identify where people want to go how are

36:30 ↗ people moving throughout the city so

36:32 ↗ we i marked in our map um

36:36 ↗ mapping

36:37 ↗ some of the regional attractions that

36:38 ↗ draw people here we also have a map of

36:41 ↗ where all of our different sign

36:42 ↗ locations are going to go

36:46 ↗ city facility signage

36:50 ↗ trailhead parking and

36:51 ↗ location maps

36:55 ↗ also city gateway signage vehicular

36:58 ↗ sign location maps both for the

37:01 ↗ monument signs as well as the vertical

37:03 ↗ gateway signs

37:05 ↗ and we also looked at

37:07 ↗ some

37:08 ↗ boat and bicycle and pedestrian

37:10 ↗ signs some of our major routes into the

37:12 ↗ city and where they might be

37:14 ↗ i think it's important to mention as

37:16 ↗ we're looking at all this mapping that

37:19 ↗ this planning document that we're

37:20 ↗ putting together for the wayfinding is

37:23 ↗ meant to be a dynamic document and

37:26 ↗ change as we need to

37:29 ↗ major routes and directional signs

37:32 ↗ we took a look at where some of those

37:33 ↗ real key decision making points are on

37:36 ↗ key routes

37:37 ↗ not to say that we can't add more as we

37:39 ↗ move

37:40 ↗ through development or growth

37:43 ↗ or we find another road gets added but

37:47 ↗ also

37:48 ↗ good start as well as our pedestrian

37:50 ↗ bicycle facility signage and location

37:53 ↗ map

37:56 ↗ so some of the project facts as i said

37:57 ↗ the final

37:59 ↗ wayfinding plan is going to be a working

38:01 ↗ document

38:02 ↗ actual field locations may vary because

38:05 ↗ of mapping due to existing site

38:07 ↗ conditions when we look at installation

38:09 ↗ um but it's going to also be flexible as

38:12 ↗ development and

38:13 ↗ the city changes in time

38:15 ↗ as part of the implementation we are

38:17 ↗ also going to be cleaning up some of the

38:19 ↗ existing sign clutter that is out there

38:21 ↗ and so we're going to be looking at the

38:23 ↗ streets

38:24 ↗ where we might have a directional sign

38:26 ↗ and what signs can we get rid of where

38:28 ↗ is it better placed

38:29 ↗ for heightened

38:31 ↗ visibility

38:33 ↗ so as far as our next steps

38:36 ↗ we'll be discussing implementation and

38:39 ↗ the plan and priorities with city

38:41 ↗ council we'll also be sharing

38:44 ↗ the proposed final design with the

38:46 ↗ public on the city's website for this

38:48 ↗ project

38:50 ↗ we'll also be finalizing our wayfinding

38:52 ↗ and signage plan including maps and

38:54 ↗ construction documents and estimates to

38:57 ↗ go with that

38:58 ↗ we're also going to produce some

38:59 ↗ prototypes and really start dialing in

39:02 ↗ on final materials textures um to ensure

39:05 ↗ that they're going to last

39:06 ↗ um

39:07 ↗ and also

39:08 ↗ get the feel and look that we want for

39:11 ↗ um

39:12 ↗ for this these signed sign suites excuse

39:15 ↗ me

39:16 ↗ um and then also um in our current

39:18 ↗ six-year cip there is proposed funding

39:21 ↗ to start phase one of the implementation

39:24 ↗ in

39:26 ↗ 2022 so with that um

39:30 ↗ we're at the end of my presentation and

39:32 ↗ i thank you for the opportunity to share

39:35 ↗ this um

39:36 ↗ with you and i'm happy to entertain any

39:40 ↗ questions

39:43 ↗ the advisory board may help

39:53 ↗ i can honestly say we look forward to

39:55 ↗ implementing this and helping people

39:57 ↗ move throughout the city

40:00 ↗ in a more

40:01 ↗ educated and easier way while creating

40:04 ↗ a sense of place in doing so

40:10 ↗ um sir jonty you're on mute

40:12 ↗ i can see you talking

40:16 ↗ oh

40:26 ↗ um so

40:28 ↗ i'm gonna go i have you go ahead and

40:30 ↗ jerry just go ahead and um

40:33 ↗ ask your question

40:35 ↗ um oh sujata says great signs i love

40:37 ↗ them um

40:41 ↗ jerry go ahead

40:43 ↗ i was just curious as to what you would

40:46 ↗ see was your highest priority

40:50 ↗ as far as the phase was concerned

40:53 ↗ so that's my question

40:55 ↗ sounds exciting to have these new signs

40:57 ↗ though by the way but i did not vote for

40:59 ↗ those colors i voted for the green and

41:01 ↗ the blue i think

41:03 ↗ thank you for thank you for voting and

41:05 ↗ participating in that we uh really

41:07 ↗ appreciate it um you know right now

41:10 ↗ we're working through some of those

41:11 ↗ priorities right now and what phase one

41:13 ↗ implementation is going to look like so

41:15 ↗ it's a little too early to tell you as

41:17 ↗ we're kind of getting to that that stage

41:20 ↗ right now um but obviously we want to do

41:23 ↗ something that

41:24 ↗ affects people and influences uh you

41:27 ↗ know doing some

41:28 ↗ traffic signs may not be as influential

41:30 ↗ in getting people

41:33 ↗ understanding and knowing about this

41:34 ↗ project is maybe some park and trail

41:36 ↗ projects but we're going to be working

41:38 ↗ um with city administration on what

41:41 ↗ those implementations going to look like

41:44 ↗ so more to come on that

41:46 ↗ erica had a question

41:50 ↗ thanks um i was wondering if there was

41:53 ↗ any um consideration given to

41:56 ↗ i'm no expert in this but i know um

41:59 ↗ accessibility wise um like low vision

42:02 ↗ folks some color combos i know are like

42:03 ↗ better than others um i didn't know if

42:06 ↗ like um

42:07 ↗ that was factored into this at all and

42:09 ↗ again i don't know like you know what

42:10 ↗ colors are best or not i don't know

42:11 ↗ enough about that i just know that's a

42:13 ↗ thing

42:14 ↗ yes it is a thing and thank you for

42:17 ↗ bringing it up because um a lot of these

42:19 ↗ signs are gonna have um reflect

42:22 ↗ reflective so um lettering like you do

42:24 ↗ on most of your street signs so they are

42:27 ↗ more visible at night um making sure

42:29 ↗ that there is a texture

42:31 ↗ visual difference for those so they are

42:33 ↗ legible is is really important and being

42:36 ↗ that the a lot of these signs will be

42:38 ↗ within right of way we are adhering to

42:41 ↗ mutcd

42:42 ↗ standards for some of them

42:46 ↗ i see david wagner has a

42:49 ↗ question but david you said second

42:50 ↗ request for question so i don't know how

42:52 ↗ i missed the other one and i apologize

42:54 ↗ um but david go ahead

42:56 ↗ um hi jennifer i love the signs they

42:59 ↗ look great

43:00 ↗ um

43:01 ↗ as someone who gets around the county a

43:04 ↗ lot and goes to a lot of different

43:07 ↗ uh events

43:09 ↗ my question becomes

43:11 ↗ hopefully here not here in issaquah but

43:15 ↗ there's an abundance of signs in the

43:17 ↗ seattle area that have become targets

43:20 ↗ for graffiti

43:21 ↗ and so i would think that

43:24 ↗ we definitely would want to look at the

43:27 ↗ kinds of signs so that they don't have

43:29 ↗ to be replaced

43:30 ↗ but that that graffiti could be removed

43:34 ↗ it's

43:35 ↗ all kinds of graffiti you've seen it as

43:37 ↗ well as i've seen it but i know

43:41 ↗ that our signs are gonna be targets for

43:44 ↗ that very same thing so

43:46 ↗ that's more than a question but the

43:48 ↗ signs look great

43:51 ↗ all four different varieties look super

43:55 ↗ and i agree totally that signage and

43:58 ↗ wayfinding is really important in in our

44:01 ↗ little

44:02 ↗ town of issaquah thank you

44:06 ↗ thank you david for your comments and i

44:08 ↗ must say um

44:10 ↗ from our

44:11 ↗ operations team both in public works and

44:13 ↗ parks graffiti is their number one

44:15 ↗ concern and also damage from people

44:18 ↗ running into them or being near a street

44:21 ↗ in being kit so that has always been

44:23 ↗ front and foremost and a lot of our

44:25 ↗ constructability

44:27 ↗ designs and we are looking at surfacing

44:29 ↗ that would help minimize vandalism and

44:31 ↗ make it easier to clean up so thank you

44:34 ↗ very much for that one thing i did

44:36 ↗ forget to mention um in the sign design

44:39 ↗ is all four peaks of issaquah are

44:42 ↗ represented in that sign we have grand

44:45 ↗ ridge tiger squawk and cougar mountain i

44:48 ↗ totally missed that until

44:51 ↗ um just now but i do want you to know

44:53 ↗ that

44:54 ↗ all four peaks are aren't represented on

44:56 ↗ there

45:00 ↗ any other that's i'm not seeing anything

45:03 ↗ else on here um that was really terrific

45:06 ↗ um i think it's really beautiful and i

45:08 ↗ think it um yeah i appreciate you coming

45:10 ↗ out and sharing that with us

45:12 ↗ thank you and as we move forward with

45:14 ↗ implementation i'm sure we may be back

45:16 ↗ so thank you and look forward to future

45:19 ↗ conversations thank you for having me

45:20 ↗ tonight

45:24 ↗ all right

45:25 ↗ i'm really proud of us we didn't start

45:27 ↗ trying to design it

45:30 ↗ we didn't uh yeah good job guys good job

45:33 ↗ team

45:34 ↗ um with that it sounds like we're on to

45:37 ↗ item 4b newport why maple the sunset an

45:40 ↗ informational presentation from john

45:44 ↗ uh i'll turn it over to you john

45:46 ↗ thank you cynthia

45:48 ↗ welcome everyone john mortensen

45:50 ↗ transportation engineering manager i'm

45:52 ↗ back to talk about newport way between

45:55 ↗ maple and sunset i have a little

45:56 ↗ presentation for you

45:59 ↗ and bear with me for a minute while i

46:00 ↗ share my screen

46:04 ↗ share

46:11 ↗ show

46:16 ↗ are you guys able to see the note page

46:18 ↗ or the presentation

46:22 ↗ presentation it looks like we got a

46:24 ↗ flash of your note page and then now

46:26 ↗ we're looking at the presentation oh

46:28 ↗ perfect

46:29 ↗ all right well welcome everyone

46:33 ↗ the purpose of tonight's presentation is

46:36 ↗ to inform the board

46:38 ↗ about

46:40 ↗ a few things for our newport way maple

46:42 ↗ to sunset project we're wanting to

46:45 ↗ refine the concept for the typical

46:47 ↗ section

46:48 ↗ and in order to do that we're scheduling

46:51 ↗ a joint

46:52 ↗ me special meeting with the parks board

46:55 ↗ and the transportation advisory board

46:57 ↗ and so if you haven't done it please go

46:59 ↗ to the doodle poll and i apologize to

47:01 ↗ everyone because the first time i set it

47:03 ↗ up i accidentally had the time zone set

47:06 ↗ to

47:07 ↗ switzerland

47:08 ↗ and some people were getting odd hours

47:10 ↗ uh for the the meeting

47:13 ↗ but

47:14 ↗ tonight we're not one to talk about

47:17 ↗ different we don't even want to discuss

47:20 ↗ the

47:20 ↗ concept

47:22 ↗ we don't want to get into the design

47:23 ↗ details it's really to give you the

47:25 ↗ information to be ready to discuss the

47:28 ↗ project at the joint meeting

47:32 ↗ i'm going to

47:33 ↗ a little bit about the history of this

47:34 ↗ project which

47:36 ↗ i know a lot of you remember but still

47:38 ↗ review it anyways

47:40 ↗ between

47:41 ↗ 2009

47:43 ↗ and

47:46 ↗ january 2011 the city did a lot of

47:48 ↗ public involvement in order to come up

47:50 ↗ with a concept for newport way between

47:53 ↗ maple and sunset

47:54 ↗ and the outcome of that public

47:56 ↗ involvement

47:57 ↗ was a council adopted

47:59 ↗ concept that had two southbound lanes

48:02 ↗ from maple to just past

48:05 ↗ just south of hawley

48:06 ↗ no medians and that was really big for

48:08 ↗ the

48:09 ↗ residents who live along the corridor

48:11 ↗ especially a lot of those larger

48:14 ↗ condominium complexes and apartments and

48:17 ↗ roundabouts at the intersections of

48:20 ↗ juniper hawley and dogwood

48:24 ↗ once that

48:25 ↗ concept was adopted by council

48:28 ↗ the city staff began designing the

48:30 ↗ project however this was a time during

48:33 ↗ lots of budget cuts and the project got

48:36 ↗ stalled around the same time that the

48:38 ↗ project got stalled the city of israel

48:41 ↗ adopted the central isoqua circulation

48:44 ↗ well the central isla

48:46 ↗ plan but as we're concerned for this

48:48 ↗ project the circulation standards

48:51 ↗ then in

48:53 ↗ 2018 the city finalized its park

48:56 ↗ strategic plan and the plan for the

48:59 ↗ green necklace which identified newport

49:01 ↗ way

49:03 ↗ and hawley as

49:05 ↗ the sections for the mountains to sound

49:07 ↗ greenway trail that would be part of the

49:10 ↗ the city's green necklace

49:13 ↗ and then in

49:14 ↗ 2018

49:16 ↗ the city got a design grant began

49:19 ↗ working on the design of newport way

49:21 ↗ between maple and sunset

49:25 ↗ when the central squad circulation

49:26 ↗ standards were adopted they defined

49:30 ↗ newport way as a parkway and this

49:33 ↗ picture here is

49:35 ↗ a parkway

49:36 ↗ as defined by the central squad plan

49:39 ↗ which one thing that was different from

49:40 ↗ what the council had adopted

49:43 ↗ just a year or two before is that the

49:46 ↗ center median came back as part of the

49:48 ↗ central issaquah plan

49:52 ↗ in the work that the parks department

49:54 ↗ did

49:56 ↗ they worked on identifying a number of

50:00 ↗ trails for non-motorized transportation

50:03 ↗ throughout the city and one of the key

50:05 ↗ parts of that was the mountains to sound

50:08 ↗ greenway corridor which follows newport

50:11 ↗ way all the way from

50:15 ↗ bellevue

50:17 ↗ all the way

50:19 ↗ to

50:19 ↗ maple and then continues along newport

50:23 ↗ until it gets to hawley and then it

50:24 ↗ heads to the west

50:26 ↗ i've highlighted in yellow

50:28 ↗ the newport way maple to sunset project

50:30 ↗ to show where in the proximity

50:33 ↗ it is and the

50:35 ↗ green necklace said that

50:38 ↗ the trail facility along newport way

50:40 ↗ between maple and sunset would be a type

50:43 ↗ one connection and a type one connection

50:45 ↗ was defined as multi-purpose path on one

50:49 ↗ side of the street

50:50 ↗ accommodates pedestrians and bicycles

50:53 ↗ sidewalk on the other

50:56 ↗ side of the street

50:58 ↗ experience

50:59 ↗ oh it can be sidewalk or

51:01 ↗ another multi-purpose path but that is

51:04 ↗ what the

51:05 ↗ green necklace plant plan that went

51:07 ↗ along with the park strategic plan

51:09 ↗ identified for newport way

51:12 ↗ in 2018 when we're working on the design

51:16 ↗ and considering the 2011 concept

51:19 ↗ the

51:20 ↗ work that at the time the parks

51:22 ↗ department was working on

51:24 ↗ the centralist club plan

51:27 ↗ we tried merging all of these into one

51:30 ↗ concept for the project

51:32 ↗ and i think we came up with a really

51:34 ↗ good concept for it which is what this

51:36 ↗ exhibit here is it had buffered bike

51:38 ↗ lanes a shared use path on one side of

51:42 ↗ the street and sidewalk on the other

51:44 ↗ the pro downside with this concept was

51:47 ↗ the cost estimate was about 40 million

51:50 ↗ dollars and when we went through and

51:51 ↗ identified all the potential sources of

51:54 ↗ revenue for the project we came up with

51:56 ↗ 26 million which meant we needed to find

51:58 ↗ ways to trim costs in order to have a

52:00 ↗ project that we could build

52:06 ↗ which

52:07 ↗ once we started looking for ways to come

52:09 ↗ up with cost we came up with several

52:11 ↗ different ideas which we already talked

52:13 ↗ about the retaining walls the

52:15 ↗ undergrounding and the

52:17 ↗ overhead utilities and those are

52:19 ↗ conversations that we the

52:21 ↗ staff had with the city council the

52:24 ↗ council asked us ask some questions and

52:26 ↗ we'll be going back to the council but

52:28 ↗ what we want to do is really talk to the

52:31 ↗ parks board because of their

52:33 ↗ buy-in for the mountains to sound

52:35 ↗ greenway corridor and the green necklace

52:37 ↗ and the transportation advisory board

52:40 ↗ about

52:41 ↗ the different concept alternatives

52:44 ↗ and to start that off we really wanted

52:46 ↗ to focus in on the values that came with

52:49 ↗ the original concept that the council

52:51 ↗ adopted in january 2011. the values that

52:55 ↗ the

52:56 ↗ park strategic plan and green necklace

52:58 ↗ have

52:59 ↗ the values of the

53:02 ↗ circulation standards in the central

53:03 ↗ issaquah plan

53:05 ↗ and the getting principles of the

53:07 ↗ mobility master plan

53:10 ↗ when the 2011 concept was

53:13 ↗ adopted

53:14 ↗ the reasons for choosing the concept

53:17 ↗ were livability

53:19 ↗ side street access which is really

53:21 ↗ important

53:22 ↗ traffic calming having the roundabouts

53:24 ↗ to slow down

53:25 ↗ the vehicles safety the ability to take

53:29 ↗ u-turns on the

53:31 ↗ corridor efficiency and maintenance

53:34 ↗ costs

53:39 ↗ when the park strategic plan put

53:42 ↗ together the

53:47 ↗ green necklace and the strategic plan

53:51 ↗ one thing they did a lot of community

53:53 ↗ involvement and when the public was

53:56 ↗ asked what does success look like for

53:58 ↗ the mountains for the green necklace the

54:01 ↗ overwhelming feedback

54:03 ↗ was on two themes connections and

54:05 ↗ experience

54:07 ↗ and the green necklace vision seeks to

54:09 ↗ define the public system that supports

54:13 ↗ central squad redevelopment

54:15 ↗ serve and support broader issaquah and

54:19 ↗ unify and connect

54:21 ↗ both of the areas those areas

54:24 ↗ with the issaquah alps

54:26 ↗ lake smamish state park and the

54:29 ↗ surrounding public lands

54:34 ↗ in addition and so i guess one thing i

54:36 ↗ should make clear because it might not

54:38 ↗ be to everyone that

54:42 ↗ so when the parks

54:45 ↗ department put together the green

54:46 ↗ necklace

54:48 ↗ they looked at a whole bunch of trails

54:50 ↗ including the

54:51 ↗ mountains to sound greenway corridor and

54:53 ↗ so these are the guiding principles for

54:56 ↗ the whole connections in this whole area

54:59 ↗ and

55:00 ↗ in addition to

55:01 ↗ the vision

55:03 ↗ from the green necklace document

55:06 ↗ the

55:07 ↗ parks and recreation and trails element

55:09 ↗ of the comprehensive plan

55:11 ↗ states trails within creek corridors and

55:14 ↗ the mountains to sound greenway

55:16 ↗ trail corridor shall have a minimum

55:19 ↗ standard width of 12 feet unless other

55:21 ↗ restrictions

55:23 ↗ or constraints exist and

55:26 ↗ that the parks department would need to

55:28 ↗ approve those and that the trail

55:30 ↗ surfacing shall have uniform

55:32 ↗ universal access

55:39 ↗ inside the central essequa plan

55:42 ↗ chapter 6 are the circulation standards

55:45 ↗ and the intent of these standards are

55:49 ↗ to ensure adequate safe

55:51 ↗ and reasonable access and connectivity

55:55 ↗ prioritize non-motorized and transit

55:58 ↗ users over motorized users yet seamless

56:01 ↗ safe and convenient for all users

56:04 ↗ prioritize local vehicular traffic over

56:07 ↗ regional traffic

56:08 ↗ contribute to the public realm

56:11 ↗ through well-designed and inviting

56:12 ↗ movement spaces or zones i mean

56:15 ↗ accommodate incremental redevelopment

56:18 ↗ through

56:19 ↗ phasing and the recognition of the

56:21 ↗ potential a potentially intricate and

56:24 ↗ complex

56:25 ↗ nature of decades-long implementation

56:29 ↗ by multiple developers

56:32 ↗ provide facilities appropriate for the

56:34 ↗ anticipated use with minimal paving

56:39 ↗ provide a variety of facilities that

56:41 ↗ accommodate the multiple functions that

56:43 ↗ occur as connectivity recreation passive

56:46 ↗ users use

56:48 ↗ and from informal gatherings and

56:50 ↗ stormwater

56:52 ↗ establish a public realm that helps to

56:55 ↗ define the character and image of

56:58 ↗ central esqua

57:00 ↗ and

57:02 ↗ that it allows for the flexibility and

57:04 ↗ design and location of circulation

57:05 ↗ standards

57:10 ↗ the recently adopted mobility master

57:12 ↗ plan

57:13 ↗ has

57:16 ↗ six guiding principles the first is to

57:18 ↗ improve mobility within issaquah today

57:21 ↗ provide safe acc

57:23 ↗ accessible connections within issaquah

57:26 ↗ to provide near-term benefits to people

57:28 ↗ of all ages abilities incomes and

57:31 ↗ backgrounds using all travel options

57:35 ↗ prepare for growth coordinate

57:37 ↗ transportation with land use for

57:39 ↗ anticipated growth by building a

57:41 ↗ complete multimodal network

57:48 ↗ that fits in with the context of viscose

57:51 ↗ neighborhoods

57:52 ↗ the better connect issaquah with the

57:54 ↗ region by leveraging regional

57:56 ↗ investments and prepare for light rail

57:59 ↗ to better connect this quad with the

58:00 ↗ region

58:02 ↗ to promote environmentally sustainable

58:05 ↗ mobility

58:06 ↗ embrace an environmentally sustainable

58:10 ↗ or responsible transportation system to

58:12 ↗ protect issaquah's natural environment

58:15 ↗ invest wisely

58:16 ↗ by applying

58:18 ↗ sustainable funding practices including

58:20 ↗ prioritization prioritizing system

58:23 ↗ maintenance along with capital

58:25 ↗ investments to best

58:27 ↗ leverage prior investments

58:29 ↗ and then the sixth

58:31 ↗ guiding principle of the mobility master

58:33 ↗ plan is anticipate transformation

58:37 ↗ develop a transportation system that in

58:40 ↗ enables new technologies emerging

58:43 ↗ transportation options and economic

58:45 ↗ trends

58:47 ↗ and as we look at all those different

58:48 ↗ values i

58:50 ↗ we found that there are a number of

58:52 ↗ common values that

58:55 ↗ resonate through all of these documents

58:58 ↗ that we're trying to have to guide this

59:00 ↗ project

59:01 ↗ safety is one that was very important

59:04 ↗ making connections prioritizing

59:07 ↗ non-motorized traffic

59:09 ↗ all ages and abilities

59:11 ↗ to have character and experience

59:15 ↗ be environmentally

59:16 ↗ sustainable

59:19 ↗ and to prepare for growth and

59:21 ↗ redevelopment

59:23 ↗ now

59:24 ↗ we'll talk some more about the the

59:26 ↗ values next at our the joint special

59:29 ↗ meeting before we start looking at the

59:32 ↗ different alternatives but i wanted to

59:34 ↗ give a preview of the three alternatives

59:36 ↗ that we're going to be talking about

59:38 ↗ that way you can start thinking about

59:40 ↗ them

59:41 ↗ especially with in the context of the

59:44 ↗ values

59:45 ↗ that the different

59:47 ↗ documents that are guiding this project

59:50 ↗ the first one which is labeled as

59:53 ↗ alternative a is the

59:55 ↗ alternative that you've seen before and

59:57 ↗ i made a little edit from what was in

1:00:00 ↗ the presentation or what was in the

1:00:01 ↗ agenda packet because we accidentally

1:00:04 ↗ had

1:00:05 ↗ the northbound traffic going the wrong

1:00:06 ↗ way

1:00:07 ↗ and on alternatives a and c

1:00:10 ↗ but this is the one where in order to

1:00:13 ↗ get our 12 feet of shared use path

1:00:16 ↗ we divided it between the two sides of

1:00:18 ↗ the road and separated the users where

1:00:20 ↗ we have

1:00:21 ↗ sidewalk on one area and then the bike

1:00:24 ↗ lane

1:00:25 ↗ and it's symmetrical with a plantar

1:00:27 ↗ strip and then the

1:00:29 ↗ vehicular lanes

1:00:32 ↗ when we looked at the cost estimate one

1:00:34 ↗ of the things we said is we needed to

1:00:36 ↗ reduce the footprint and we did that and

1:00:39 ↗ so all three of these alternatives also

1:00:41 ↗ are 68 feet wide and so from a cost

1:00:43 ↗ point of view

1:00:44 ↗ all three are roughly the same

1:00:47 ↗ to construct

1:00:49 ↗ alternative b

1:00:50 ↗ what we did is we said

1:00:52 ↗ on one side we would designate as the

1:00:54 ↗ mountains to sound greenway

1:00:57 ↗ trail

1:00:58 ↗ and on the other side

1:01:00 ↗ we would just have a really wide

1:01:02 ↗ sidewalk and the reason for that is that

1:01:05 ↗ because the none of these alternatives

1:01:07 ↗ have on street painted bike lanes we

1:01:09 ↗ felt the need to have an additional

1:01:12 ↗ space for the non-motorized traffic

1:01:15 ↗ especially if

1:01:16 ↗ you're trying to

1:01:18 ↗ access

1:01:21 ↗ newport way from one side or the other

1:01:23 ↗ there would always be a wide spot for

1:01:25 ↗ you to walk her bike on but in terms of

1:01:27 ↗ having a regional trail we just

1:01:31 ↗ prioritize or sign

1:01:33 ↗ one of the

1:01:34 ↗ trails to be the trail and not the

1:01:36 ↗ sidewalk

1:01:38 ↗ an alternative c

1:01:40 ↗ is another one where we have a shared

1:01:43 ↗ used path instead of a separated

1:01:45 ↗ facility but on this one what we decided

1:01:47 ↗ to do is one side would have an eight

1:01:49 ↗ foot wide

1:01:50 ↗ sidewalk but then the other side would

1:01:53 ↗ have a 14 foot wide path and there's a

1:01:56 ↗ number of reasons why we went with this

1:01:58 ↗ that we'll go into at the joint meeting

1:02:00 ↗ but

1:02:02 ↗ that's what this alternative is

1:02:06 ↗ and with that are there any questions to

1:02:09 ↗ clarify and again just a reminder we're

1:02:12 ↗ not one to have the discussion and we're

1:02:14 ↗ not one to get into the design details

1:02:16 ↗ we just want to make sure that everyone

1:02:18 ↗ understands

1:02:19 ↗ everything that way when we get ready to

1:02:22 ↗ have the big joint meeting that

1:02:24 ↗ everyone's

1:02:25 ↗ had a head start and had time to think

1:02:27 ↗ of the different alternatives

1:02:40 ↗ uh i'll go ahead and go first thank you

1:02:42 ↗ john i appreciate that um this is really

1:02:45 ↗ useful and

1:02:47 ↗ i started to write down some questions

1:02:48 ↗ that you then subsequently answered so

1:02:50 ↗ that's great thank you it was really

1:02:52 ↗ clear um i'm going to make a just a

1:02:54 ↗ business note and say that um i like to

1:02:56 ↗ make sure that the things that are in

1:02:58 ↗ the chat get captured in the meeting

1:03:00 ↗ video and that's that we david wagner

1:03:03 ↗ and christy triple had to depart so

1:03:05 ↗ we're down to tab members

1:03:09 ↗ the question i have is i just want to

1:03:11 ↗ make sure i fully understand

1:03:13 ↗ because it you use some language at the

1:03:16 ↗ very end that confused me a tiny bit and

1:03:18 ↗ i want to make sure that

1:03:19 ↗ um

1:03:20 ↗ though all three alternatives that you

1:03:23 ↗ just presented are still on the table

1:03:26 ↗ because i thought you said you went with

1:03:27 ↗ something on c

1:03:29 ↗ and i didn't know if you meant you went

1:03:30 ↗ with that

1:03:31 ↗ in the context of c but if i'm tracking

1:03:35 ↗ which sometimes i'm not

1:03:36 ↗ sometimes i miss things um i just want

1:03:38 ↗ to make sure i understand that a b and c

1:03:40 ↗ are all still on the table and that's

1:03:43 ↗ what we'd be and then when we go into

1:03:45 ↗ this meeting they're all three on the

1:03:47 ↗ table is that do i understand it

1:03:49 ↗ correctly

1:03:50 ↗ that is correct and sorry for the

1:03:51 ↗ confusion all three are on the table

1:03:54 ↗ to be considered and discussed

1:04:14 ↗ well did they do such a great job that

1:04:17 ↗ we all know i really really like the way

1:04:19 ↗ that the staff is doing a good job of

1:04:22 ↗ helping us understand the context of

1:04:24 ↗ what we're trying to do so you set this

1:04:26 ↗ up really nicely i'm sure all of us are

1:04:29 ↗ bursting with opinions

1:04:31 ↗ but you did a great job um

1:04:33 ↗ helping us understand you know sort of

1:04:35 ↗ how to funnel that so i'm interpreting

1:04:37 ↗ this as you did a great job explaining

1:04:39 ↗ we're going to hold our

1:04:41 ↗ opinions and i guess i would encourage

1:04:43 ↗ all of us to

1:04:44 ↗ as we think about what we want to bring

1:04:46 ↗ to that meeting

1:04:47 ↗ try to focus on

1:04:49 ↗ goals objectives and not just design

1:04:52 ↗ elements um and i always like to if i

1:04:54 ↗ have something that i'm specifically

1:04:56 ↗ drawn to that's an implementation you

1:04:58 ↗ know i try to reverse engineer like

1:05:00 ↗ what's the objective why do i think

1:05:02 ↗ that's such a good idea what am i trying

1:05:04 ↗ to accomplish because we can

1:05:06 ↗ sort that out sometimes we can find new

1:05:08 ↗ ideas we haven't thought of but anyway

1:05:10 ↗ um

1:05:11 ↗ i think it'll be a great meeting um i

1:05:13 ↗ think it's a really interesting puzzle

1:05:15 ↗ and i think that this is a really

1:05:16 ↗ interesting history

1:05:18 ↗ so

1:05:20 ↗ uh going once going twice

1:05:22 ↗ um no more questions i think we'll go

1:05:24 ↗ ahead and move on um

1:05:26 ↗ to

1:05:27 ↗ um the traffic calming um which i know

1:05:30 ↗ has

1:05:31 ↗ got a lot of depth as well so thank you

1:05:33 ↗ for that that's great um and that's

1:05:35 ↗ isabel i think

1:05:37 ↗ thanks john

1:05:40 ↗ i will be

1:05:42 ↗ sharing my screen and just let me know

1:05:46 ↗ when the presentation comes up

1:05:56 ↗ can you hear me first of all

1:05:58 ↗ all systems go

1:06:00 ↗ okay thank you

1:06:02 ↗ um yes so now to the third item that we

1:06:06 ↗ will be discussing the traffic coming

1:06:08 ↗ guidelines update

1:06:10 ↗ i am isabel diaz senior transportation

1:06:13 ↗ engineer

1:06:14 ↗ tonight's discussion will include an

1:06:17 ↗ overview of the existing process for the

1:06:20 ↗ implementation of traffic calming

1:06:23 ↗ devices

1:06:24 ↗ we will then be describing the proposed

1:06:27 ↗ implementation guidelines

1:06:29 ↗ and then the steps to take for the

1:06:31 ↗ application of traffic calming devices

1:06:37 ↗ the direction that the that we will be

1:06:40 ↗ asking

1:06:41 ↗ the board to provide is if there are any

1:06:44 ↗ concerns with the proposed changes

1:06:46 ↗ are there other changes to consider

1:06:50 ↗ and if you need any additional feedback

1:06:53 ↗ before making a recommendation

1:06:57 ↗ just to give an overview of what we have

1:07:00 ↗ done when we started the development of

1:07:02 ↗ the mobility master plan in 2019 we have

1:07:06 ↗ worked with the board on updating other

1:07:08 ↗ city policies simultaneously to align

1:07:11 ↗ those policies with the

1:07:13 ↗ mobility master plan

1:07:15 ↗ these policies included complete streets

1:07:17 ↗ which was completed at uh earlier this

1:07:21 ↗ year

1:07:22 ↗ traffic calming which we are discussing

1:07:24 ↗ tonight and also the crossing guidelines

1:07:27 ↗ that are currently ongoing

1:07:33 ↗ the issue that we are dealing with the

1:07:35 ↗ current process is that community in

1:07:38 ↗ satisfaction because

1:07:41 ↗ it's confusing

1:07:43 ↗ it doesn't meet the current needs of the

1:07:45 ↗ community

1:07:46 ↗ and people just don't feel safe in

1:07:49 ↗ general in summary there is a lot of

1:07:51 ↗ frustration with the process

1:07:54 ↗ and additionally it doesn't align with

1:07:56 ↗ the mobility master plan

1:08:02 ↗ traffic calming can be defined as a way

1:08:05 ↗ to reduce

1:08:06 ↗ traffic impact by slowing vehicle speeds

1:08:10 ↗ reducing traffic volumes and collisions

1:08:13 ↗ to increase safety of pedestrians and

1:08:15 ↗ bicyclists

1:08:17 ↗ i just want to note that we have changed

1:08:20 ↗ a few of the graphics shown on this

1:08:23 ↗ slide

1:08:24 ↗ just because we wanted to represent

1:08:27 ↗ one of each of these traffic coming one

1:08:30 ↗ example for each of these traffic

1:08:32 ↗ calming objectives

1:08:34 ↗ so on the top right we are presenting an

1:08:36 ↗ example of a speed table which is an

1:08:39 ↗ excellent device for controlling speeds

1:08:43 ↗ at the bottom right we have a traffic

1:08:45 ↗ circle

1:08:47 ↗ traffic circles in addition to reducing

1:08:50 ↗ speeds can help with avoiding collisions

1:08:53 ↗ and improving safety

1:08:55 ↗ at the bottom left

1:08:57 ↗ that's an actual closure that we have in

1:08:59 ↗ issaquah

1:09:02 ↗ road closures are used to control

1:09:04 ↗ traffic volumes in addition to

1:09:06 ↗ avoid collisions uh one thing to note

1:09:09 ↗ with

1:09:11 ↗ with all traffic calming physical

1:09:13 ↗ devices in general

1:09:15 ↗ is

1:09:17 ↗ one thing to have in consideration is

1:09:19 ↗ that

1:09:20 ↗ what the impact of these devices could

1:09:23 ↗ have with

1:09:24 ↗ emergency responders and in particular

1:09:27 ↗ with

1:09:29 ↗ roadway closures

1:09:34 ↗ the original traffic coming policy is a

1:09:37 ↗ two-phase process

1:09:39 ↗ during the phase one a request for

1:09:42 ↗ traffic calming devices is submitted

1:09:45 ↗ staff would conduct field reviews and

1:09:48 ↗ collect traffic counts

1:09:50 ↗ then

1:09:52 ↗ recommendations will be

1:09:54 ↗ provided using non-physical measures

1:09:57 ↗ what we mean with non-physical physical

1:10:00 ↗ measures are

1:10:01 ↗ measured that include

1:10:05 ↗ items like

1:10:07 ↗ like education

1:10:09 ↗ one example of education is a

1:10:11 ↗ neighborhood speed watch program

1:10:13 ↗ enforcement and engineering measures

1:10:16 ↗ that are not necessarily

1:10:19 ↗ a physical

1:10:22 ↗ a great physical impact like such as

1:10:25 ↗ pavement marking and also traffic

1:10:28 ↗ signing

1:10:29 ↗ these solutions are not effective after

1:10:32 ↗ six months of observation

1:10:35 ↗ then we proceed to the phase two the

1:10:37 ↗ phase two includes recommendation then

1:10:40 ↗ of physical devices best based on

1:10:43 ↗ criteria that would include

1:10:45 ↗ community

1:10:47 ↗ acceptance

1:10:48 ↗ traffic volumes and the magnitude of the

1:10:51 ↗ speeding

1:10:53 ↗ installation would occur

1:10:55 ↗ of these devices after city council

1:10:57 ↗ approval

1:10:58 ↗ and then the evaluation

1:11:00 ↗ period would be

1:11:02 ↗ of over one year

1:11:04 ↗ after if their implementation

1:11:12 ↗ after discussions with neighborhood

1:11:15 ↗ stakeholders and the board

1:11:17 ↗ we have drafted new policies and updated

1:11:20 ↗ standards that are consistent with

1:11:22 ↗ current practice

1:11:25 ↗ these guys these new guidelines describe

1:11:28 ↗ a new implementation process that

1:11:30 ↗ consists of

1:11:32 ↗ four

1:11:33 ↗ steps one is the plan initiation

1:11:36 ↗ then the development

1:11:37 ↗ support

1:11:38 ↗ and the plan implementation

1:11:41 ↗ during the plan initiation staff would

1:11:45 ↗ review the petitions

1:11:47 ↗ and then would

1:11:52 ↗ select that the resident support to

1:11:54 ↗ identify projects uh the review of the

1:11:58 ↗ petitions would occur in a first-come

1:12:00 ↗ first-served basis

1:12:02 ↗ but that if that is only for the order

1:12:06 ↗ of the review of the request that does

1:12:09 ↗ not necessarily

1:12:10 ↗ address any kind of uh priority uh

1:12:14 ↗ system or selection of projects based on

1:12:16 ↗ the on the order that they come in it's

1:12:18 ↗ just the order that we will be reviewing

1:12:21 ↗ the requests

1:12:25 ↗ then after

1:12:26 ↗ we define a project

1:12:28 ↗ selection

1:12:30 ↗ these projects would go through city

1:12:32 ↗ council for the review

1:12:36 ↗ during the planned development

1:12:39 ↗ then

1:12:40 ↗ staff would

1:12:42 ↗ would include engagement community and

1:12:44 ↗ stakeholders and that would be gathered

1:12:48 ↗ through

1:12:49 ↗ notice to neighborhoods and staff would

1:12:52 ↗ continue doing

1:12:54 ↗ data collection

1:12:56 ↗ and one of the things that occurred

1:12:58 ↗ after the noticed neighborhood is

1:13:01 ↗ to

1:13:02 ↗ create the neighborhood traffic

1:13:04 ↗ committee this would be consisting of

1:13:06 ↗ five to approximately from five to ten

1:13:10 ↗ uh representative of the committee and

1:13:13 ↗ at least two uh neighborhood traffic

1:13:15 ↗ committee meetings would occur during

1:13:18 ↗ these neighborhood traffic committee

1:13:20 ↗ meetings

1:13:21 ↗ we

1:13:23 ↗ during during one of these meetings we

1:13:26 ↗ will go through the process of selecting

1:13:28 ↗ which traffic calming devices we will be

1:13:31 ↗ proposing on the on the area and we will

1:13:34 ↗ talk a little bit

1:13:36 ↗ more about that later

1:13:41 ↗ lastly through the development process

1:13:43 ↗ we gather input from other affected

1:13:46 ↗ agencies

1:13:47 ↗ that could include fire departments the

1:13:50 ↗ police

1:13:52 ↗ transit and

1:13:54 ↗ also school districts

1:13:58 ↗ for the planned support uh

1:14:01 ↗ it's the the plan support is gained

1:14:04 ↗ through uh

1:14:05 ↗ meeting neighborhood survey cri criteria

1:14:09 ↗ um through

1:14:10 ↗ uh making these surveys and uh some

1:14:13 ↗ criteria that we need to meet to

1:14:16 ↗ make sure that we the plan is accepted

1:14:18 ↗ by the neighborhood these criteria

1:14:22 ↗ for in in terms of the surveys the

1:14:24 ↗ representation has to be

1:14:27 ↗ the survey has

1:14:29 ↗ has to receive like 50

1:14:31 ↗ of the neighborhood

1:14:33 ↗ and

1:14:34 ↗ among that 50 percent

1:14:36 ↗ then

1:14:38 ↗ over 65 percent

1:14:40 ↗ needs to approve the the criteria uh one

1:14:44 ↗ thing one important thing to note is

1:14:46 ↗ that

1:14:47 ↗ apartment

1:14:48 ↗ residents are not necessarily included

1:14:51 ↗ on these

1:14:52 ↗ um

1:14:53 ↗ criteria acceptance criteria and it's

1:14:56 ↗ basically because uh apart they are not

1:15:00 ↗ uh

1:15:01 ↗ from

1:15:02 ↗ past history they do not necessarily

1:15:05 ↗ respond

1:15:07 ↗ a lot to neighborhood surveys and uh it

1:15:10 ↗ could be it could be many reasons like

1:15:13 ↗ they are um not necessarily like owners

1:15:16 ↗ but they they just tend to be less

1:15:19 ↗ responsive that than

1:15:22 ↗ neighborhood homeowners

1:15:26 ↗ and um the support that uh

1:15:29 ↗ in order to for the to meet with the

1:15:32 ↗ planned support we

1:15:34 ↗ uh of course we will eventually need to

1:15:37 ↗ get the council support so we can move

1:15:39 ↗ to the next step which is uh the

1:15:41 ↗ implementation process

1:15:43 ↗ through the implementation process

1:15:46 ↗ we discuss

1:15:47 ↗ the budget and

1:15:50 ↗ we uh developed the construction and

1:15:53 ↗ started monitoring the construction of

1:15:55 ↗ the

1:15:56 ↗ traffic coming uh devices

1:15:59 ↗ after uh review after review after six

1:16:02 ↗ months of of

1:16:04 ↗ observation after the construction

1:16:08 ↗ of the traffic coming device

1:16:10 ↗ then we meet again with the neighborhood

1:16:12 ↗ traffic committee and discuss what will

1:16:15 ↗ be the next steps the next steps could

1:16:18 ↗ be

1:16:19 ↗ leave the fan as is if we are

1:16:22 ↗ happy with the with the results of the

1:16:25 ↗ implementation

1:16:27 ↗ or the next steps could be

1:16:29 ↗ adjusting the the

1:16:31 ↗ the plan

1:16:32 ↗ also the other step could be uh removing

1:16:37 ↗ the the device um so it's just a process

1:16:40 ↗ uh that we need for the six month

1:16:43 ↗ evaluation after the traffic calming

1:16:46 ↗ device has been installed

1:16:50 ↗ before i go

1:16:52 ↗ in

1:16:53 ↗ both next to the process for the

1:16:56 ↗ selection i want to make a stop in case

1:16:58 ↗ there's any questions of the for the new

1:17:01 ↗ proposed process

1:17:18 ↗ okay i see jerry had a question

1:17:21 ↗ yeah sure go first

1:17:31 ↗ um

1:17:33 ↗ the question was about apartments

1:17:36 ↗ versus homeowners

1:17:39 ↗ because i live in a town home

1:17:42 ↗ condominium situation

1:17:44 ↗ i i want to make sure you guys are

1:17:47 ↗ distinguishing between the two

1:17:51 ↗ so um that was my comment and

1:17:54 ↗ question

1:17:55 ↗ is there a way you do that yes sorry

1:17:58 ↗ jerry i forgot to mention that even

1:18:02 ↗ though

1:18:03 ↗ apartment units are not considered in

1:18:07 ↗ the that threshold to be meeting they

1:18:10 ↗ are accounted for

1:18:12 ↗ the surveys are they are sent to

1:18:14 ↗ apartment unit um

1:18:19 ↗ residents and they do

1:18:21 ↗ count as votes for either

1:18:24 ↗ accepting or rejecting the

1:18:27 ↗ they are not just part of the threshold

1:18:30 ↗ that we need to meet like the the 50 but

1:18:33 ↗ their vote do count for accept either

1:18:35 ↗ accepting or not accepting the

1:18:38 ↗ the device or so you do send

1:18:42 ↗ um you request comments

1:18:45 ↗ for the entire neighborhood including

1:18:49 ↗ condominium owners and

1:18:52 ↗ and apartment residence

1:18:54 ↗ and yes i know all the addresses you

1:18:56 ↗ send it to all addresses i was confused

1:18:58 ↗ about that so that's that was my

1:19:00 ↗ question

1:19:02 ↗ okay thank you

1:19:04 ↗ i had a question but um also sujata i'm

1:19:07 ↗ going to her mic isn't working so i'm

1:19:08 ↗ just going to state the comment the

1:19:10 ↗ concern about not being it's not very

1:19:12 ↗ equitable to not include apartment

1:19:14 ↗ dollars maybe change the criteria to 65

1:19:16 ↗ percent of respondents i think it sounds

1:19:19 ↗ like maybe

1:19:20 ↗ um you answered that question and i

1:19:23 ↗ think i just yeah i want to say like it

1:19:25 ↗ it we want to make sure that it's

1:19:28 ↗ that the neighbors

1:19:30 ↗ are not who who want to make this happen

1:19:32 ↗ aren't penalized by the lack of response

1:19:36 ↗ that's typical of apartment dwellers but

1:19:38 ↗ that does not mean

1:19:40 ↗ that they would be excluded

1:19:43 ↗ from the process in any way shape or

1:19:45 ↗ form and i think i think we're all

1:19:46 ↗ probably had like the same reaction like

1:19:48 ↗ wait a minute that doesn't seem

1:19:49 ↗ equitable but i think um yeah if you

1:19:53 ↗ it makes sense of you but i think when

1:19:55 ↗ we talk about it i think we should just

1:19:56 ↗ make sure we're super clear

1:19:58 ↗ so that that confusion

1:20:00 ↗ doesn't come up i mean everybody's

1:20:03 ↗ equity ears pricked up i think when we

1:20:05 ↗ heard that so let's just be careful

1:20:07 ↗ about the way we talk about it

1:20:09 ↗ i

1:20:10 ↗ just had a question and i wanted to make

1:20:12 ↗ sure i understand i read through this a

1:20:14 ↗ couple times

1:20:15 ↗ um

1:20:17 ↗ but i i want to make sure i understand i

1:20:19 ↗ mean these are pretty different

1:20:21 ↗ processes and um

1:20:23 ↗ [Music]

1:20:24 ↗ so

1:20:25 ↗ the resident support was not part of the

1:20:27 ↗ original phase one in the past is that

1:20:31 ↗ correct

1:20:32 ↗ no it was uh the resident support it was

1:20:35 ↗ we just added a few uh

1:20:38 ↗ we're a little bit more specific i think

1:20:40 ↗ on the process but yes it was on the

1:20:42 ↗ original

1:20:44 ↗ plan

1:20:45 ↗ and then also the thing that's if i'm

1:20:46 ↗ comparing these two slides the thing the

1:20:49 ↗ the recommendation for non-physical

1:20:51 ↗ measures is done away with you're just

1:20:52 ↗ gonna go straight to figuring out what

1:20:54 ↗ solutions was that just getting

1:20:56 ↗ frustrating and just we weren't you

1:20:57 ↗ weren't getting anywhere and it wasn't

1:20:58 ↗ working

1:21:00 ↗ yes the way it is showing we are not we

1:21:03 ↗ are not having that first phase of

1:21:05 ↗ non-physical or

1:21:08 ↗ or educational we are just going if they

1:21:11 ↗ meet the criteria and there is a

1:21:13 ↗ community support we would go

1:21:15 ↗ straight to the toolbox for traffic

1:21:17 ↗ calming devices

1:21:20 ↗ thanks

1:21:22 ↗ does anyone else have any questions

1:21:23 ↗ about this

1:21:24 ↗ so

1:21:26 ↗ far all right carry on thanks

1:21:30 ↗ okay

1:21:32 ↗ so we talked about the

1:21:35 ↗ the new process for

1:21:37 ↗ the implementation of traffic control

1:21:39 ↗ devices now

1:21:41 ↗ i will uh move on to the selection the

1:21:44 ↗ process or the steps for the selection

1:21:46 ↗ of traffic calming devices this

1:21:49 ↗ which are also included on these new

1:21:51 ↗ policies these these guidelines or the

1:21:53 ↗ stealth these steps these steps will

1:21:56 ↗ help narrowing the application of the

1:21:58 ↗ devices

1:22:00 ↗ the first step would be to address the

1:22:02 ↗ concern

1:22:04 ↗ most of the concerns that we receive

1:22:06 ↗ or we deal with for about traffic coming

1:22:09 ↗ devices are

1:22:11 ↗ basically three of them one of them is

1:22:14 ↗ speeding

1:22:15 ↗ the other is to address traffic volumes

1:22:18 ↗ and collisions uh one thing before we

1:22:21 ↗ continue on this uh the

1:22:23 ↗ the what we are representing in red

1:22:26 ↗ are those

1:22:28 ↗ uh

1:22:29 ↗ uh

1:22:29 ↗ items that were also considered with the

1:22:32 ↗ original policy uh

1:22:34 ↗ some where some some were addressed in a

1:22:37 ↗ different way but they are they are they

1:22:39 ↗ were included on the uh what we on the

1:22:42 ↗ original policy

1:22:44 ↗ the items that remain in black color are

1:22:47 ↗ those that

1:22:48 ↗ we are including with the new policy and

1:22:51 ↗ weren't addressed in the previous policy

1:22:55 ↗ so the next step was would be to address

1:22:59 ↗ the location type

1:23:02 ↗ on the previous

1:23:03 ↗ policy we only included traffic control

1:23:07 ↗ devices on local streets now with the

1:23:09 ↗ new policy we make that distinction

1:23:11 ↗ between local streets and also which

1:23:14 ↗ kind of devices are applicable for

1:23:16 ↗ collectors we also include the

1:23:18 ↗ distinction between what is a traffic

1:23:21 ↗ control device suitable for mid blocks

1:23:23 ↗ and

1:23:24 ↗ what traffic control device sorry

1:23:27 ↗ traffic i keep saying traffic control

1:23:28 ↗ traffic calming device for intersections

1:23:32 ↗ so they there are different tables um

1:23:35 ↗ showing how each one of these devices

1:23:38 ↗ are more suitable for each of the

1:23:41 ↗ location types the same way about the

1:23:44 ↗ step one to address the concern there

1:23:47 ↗ are dif a table that would allocate the

1:23:50 ↗ different traffic control devices

1:23:52 ↗ depending on the concern that we want to

1:23:55 ↗ address

1:23:58 ↗ now then on the step three we would be

1:24:01 ↗ addressing constraint constraints

1:24:04 ↗ by strip type and that would include

1:24:07 ↗ posted speed limits roadway grades and

1:24:11 ↗ also traffic volumes

1:24:12 ↗ and

1:24:16 ↗ if there is if there are any questions

1:24:18 ↗ on this one before i move on i

1:24:20 ↗ will also make a

1:24:23 ↗ pause

1:24:34 ↗ one

1:24:35 ↗ okay so the board had participated in

1:24:39 ↗ two meetings in the past that had helped

1:24:42 ↗ us guiding the traffic calming policy

1:24:45 ↗ update uh the feedback that we have

1:24:48 ↗ received during the first meeting was to

1:24:50 ↗ keep it simple

1:24:52 ↗ consider more variables in the criteria

1:24:56 ↗ comfort for comfortability using the

1:24:59 ↗ process

1:25:00 ↗ and to make the process buildable

1:25:02 ↗ instead of having these complex pros uh

1:25:06 ↗ process that would

1:25:08 ↗ kind of uh

1:25:11 ↗ kill any opportunity to

1:25:14 ↗ provide traffic calming devices uh that

1:25:17 ↗ the process would provide opportunities

1:25:20 ↗ to actually build something

1:25:23 ↗ during the second meeting one of the

1:25:25 ↗ feedback

1:25:26 ↗ responses that we have

1:25:28 ↗ heard from is

1:25:30 ↗ to be a phase approach

1:25:32 ↗ which is what we have done with the

1:25:35 ↗ traffic coming policy update

1:25:37 ↗ align those with the mobility master

1:25:40 ↗ plan

1:25:41 ↗ and they emphasize on keeping it simple

1:25:45 ↗ so that's uh

1:25:47 ↗ this is the one comment that keeps

1:25:49 ↗ coming by that we want to keep this

1:25:51 ↗ process simple make it much more simpler

1:25:54 ↗ simple making it simpler than it used to

1:25:57 ↗ be

1:25:58 ↗ also to provide eddies

1:26:00 ↗ to the proposed variables

1:26:07 ↗ for the traffic calming policy

1:26:08 ↗ guidelines we started in 2019

1:26:12 ↗ getting

1:26:14 ↗ the board engagement on the policy

1:26:16 ↗ update

1:26:17 ↗ last year we drafted the guys the

1:26:20 ↗ guidelines with the project team

1:26:23 ↗ and this year we got input from

1:26:26 ↗ stakeholders and what we are

1:26:29 ↗ trying to accomplish during this meeting

1:26:31 ↗ is to get the board the input from the

1:26:33 ↗ board

1:26:34 ↗ early on into in early in next year our

1:26:39 ↗ plan is to finalize to be able to

1:26:41 ↗ finalize these guidelines um and and

1:26:44 ↗ adopt them with city council approval

1:26:51 ↗ and this uh

1:26:52 ↗ this this

1:26:54 ↗ i

1:26:54 ↗ the way we try to uh present the

1:26:57 ↗ guidelines tonight is a very

1:27:00 ↗ uh summarize

1:27:02 ↗ a a very uh short summary of the

1:27:06 ↗ entire process uh but

1:27:09 ↗ the two documents with the packet

1:27:11 ↗ provide the full documentation of what

1:27:13 ↗ the previous guidelines were and how

1:27:16 ↗ we are uh updating these guidelines

1:27:21 ↗ so if

1:27:22 ↗ there's any questions before we get

1:27:26 ↗ uh the feedback from the board

1:27:28 ↗ i will pause again before

1:27:33 ↗ getting to the questions or on the

1:27:35 ↗ direction that we are seeking tonight

1:27:42 ↗ question about what kind drove the

1:27:45 ↗ process for changing this

1:27:47 ↗ process uh did you follow any

1:27:50 ↗ model of another city or

1:27:54 ↗ do you approach the change

1:27:56 ↗ i'm sorry jillian your voice is coming

1:27:58 ↗ up really low can you

1:28:01 ↗ repeat that

1:28:05 ↗ did you follow any uh city model or i

1:28:08 ↗ mean any model of a city near us or a

1:28:11 ↗ white must

1:28:12 ↗ um when you're developing the new

1:28:15 ↗ process

1:28:20 ↗ so sorry i don't i don't know if it's me

1:28:23 ↗ uh but it started a higher volume but

1:28:26 ↗ then i i i couldn't i couldn't hear i

1:28:29 ↗ heard him but it was hard i'll just say

1:28:31 ↗ that i heard him say and julian you

1:28:33 ↗ cannot if you heard if that's what i

1:28:34 ↗ heard correctly that

1:28:36 ↗ i think he was asking like where you got

1:28:38 ↗ the information to provide the the

1:28:40 ↗ change like what

1:28:41 ↗ where did you get the information that

1:28:43 ↗ you used to make the recommendation on

1:28:45 ↗ what the specific changes are and you

1:28:46 ↗ specifically asked about was there other

1:28:48 ↗ cities nearby or elsewhere that

1:28:52 ↗ influenced

1:28:53 ↗ your

1:28:54 ↗ proposal we use a consultant to develop

1:28:58 ↗ the guidelines and i would i i would say

1:29:02 ↗ that they have were also worked the

1:29:04 ↗ consultant have also worked with other

1:29:06 ↗ cities um if in and if john has any more

1:29:10 ↗ background on that i will let him um add

1:29:13 ↗ on to it

1:29:16 ↗ i don't have any specific background but

1:29:18 ↗ i was going to actually go ahead and

1:29:20 ↗ cheat and try and look through the piles

1:29:21 ↗ i know that the consultant who put it

1:29:24 ↗ together has worked with a lot of cities

1:29:26 ↗ to put together traffic calming

1:29:28 ↗ and

1:29:29 ↗ that's where they pulled a lot of the

1:29:31 ↗ ideas from or different cities

1:29:39 ↗ see cynthia has a comment

1:29:42 ↗ i don't like to hear myself talk so much

1:29:44 ↗ so you guys um but uh seeing as i'm not

1:29:47 ↗ hearing anyone else i just i was gonna

1:29:49 ↗ invite john to share that experience

1:29:53 ↗ because i felt like i had

1:29:56 ↗ gotten it helped me a lot to actually

1:29:59 ↗ watch john in real time

1:30:01 ↗ be

1:30:04 ↗ asked by an individual

1:30:06 ↗ who i won't be surprised if that's who's

1:30:08 ↗ um

1:30:09 ↗ the attendee um i'm not sure if i

1:30:11 ↗ remember that gentleman's name but there

1:30:13 ↗ was a specific

1:30:16 ↗ uh

1:30:16 ↗ situation which drove the criteria of

1:30:18 ↗ traffic volume right that might be

1:30:20 ↗ useful this to hear that example if i

1:30:22 ↗ understand that um problem

1:30:25 ↗ and solution correctly john do you want

1:30:27 ↗ to maybe just share that example and

1:30:29 ↗ that might inform

1:30:31 ↗ help inform a little bit of the process

1:30:34 ↗ yeah and

1:30:35 ↗ actually i'll oh

1:30:36 ↗ i'll put together two examples of

1:30:39 ↗ situations with our current traffic

1:30:41 ↗ calming and they're probably the

1:30:45 ↗ they're two of the ones that we've seen

1:30:46 ↗ the most and the first one it was the

1:30:50 ↗ gentleman who provided public comment

1:30:52 ↗ who lives on

1:30:54 ↗ seventh between juniper and holly

1:30:57 ↗ and

1:30:58 ↗ because it's on the way to school it's

1:30:59 ↗ used a lot for cut through traffic

1:31:04 ↗ john had put in a complaint to the city

1:31:06 ↗ about traffic calming

1:31:09 ↗ it was probably around 2018 or so i

1:31:11 ↗ don't remember exactly and so what we do

1:31:13 ↗ when we get a complaint for traffic

1:31:15 ↗ calming is we set out

1:31:19 ↗ devices to count the volumes of cars and

1:31:23 ↗ to collect the speed data and the old

1:31:26 ↗ policy was based on the 85th percent

1:31:29 ↗ speed

1:31:30 ↗ and it said

1:31:32 ↗ if you're in a school zone or next to a

1:31:34 ↗ park

1:31:36 ↗ the

1:31:36 ↗ traffic had to be i think eight miles an

1:31:39 ↗ hour over the 85th percent speed which

1:31:41 ↗ is the speed that 85 percent of the cars

1:31:43 ↗ were let are driving at or less

1:31:46 ↗ and it also would have to be 10 miles an

1:31:49 ↗ hour

1:31:50 ↗ or greater than the posted speed limit

1:31:52 ↗ if you weren't next to a parker school

1:31:55 ↗ and

1:31:56 ↗ so when we collected the data on 7th

1:31:59 ↗ even though it's a pretty short

1:32:01 ↗ road

1:32:03 ↗ it fell just under

1:32:05 ↗ the criteria to meet the qualifications

1:32:08 ↗ now we weren't able to look at the

1:32:10 ↗ context of saying there's a lot of cut

1:32:12 ↗ through traffic it's a school zone

1:32:17 ↗ we weren't able to consider how many

1:32:18 ↗ pedestrians were weren't on the road but

1:32:21 ↗ it was a very black and white

1:32:23 ↗ determination and it was very

1:32:26 ↗ frustrating for the resident and which

1:32:28 ↗ one of the reasons why he spoke tonight

1:32:30 ↗ he's sent letters and he's advocated to

1:32:33 ↗ try and get traffic coming and it just

1:32:36 ↗ was with the current policy there's

1:32:38 ↗ nothing that we could do to

1:32:40 ↗ accommodate the need or even evaluate

1:32:43 ↗ the need further beyond the rigid

1:32:45 ↗ requirements the other one that we see a

1:32:48 ↗ lot of

1:32:49 ↗ is

1:32:50 ↗ for 12th and mount olympus going up

1:32:53 ↗ towards the squawk neighborhood

1:32:55 ↗ and

1:32:56 ↗ our current traffic comic policy does

1:32:58 ↗ not allow physical devices on collectors

1:33:01 ↗ and 12th and mount olympus are

1:33:03 ↗ collectors and so that's a street with

1:33:06 ↗ substandard pedestrian facilities

1:33:09 ↗ it is one of the few streets in the city

1:33:11 ↗ where the 85th percent speed is more

1:33:14 ↗ than 10 miles an hour over the posted

1:33:15 ↗ speed limit the cars are going about 36

1:33:18 ↗ miles an hour up and down that hill

1:33:21 ↗ and

1:33:23 ↗ so we get a lot of requests for traffic

1:33:25 ↗ calming in that vicinity and with our

1:33:28 ↗ current traffic calming policy there's

1:33:30 ↗ nothing that we can do

1:33:31 ↗ and it creates a lot of frustration for

1:33:33 ↗ the residents

1:33:45 ↗ so were you hoping to get some feedback

1:33:47 ↗ from us tonight so that uh when you take

1:33:50 ↗ that to council you can

1:33:52 ↗ um

1:33:53 ↗ say what uh you know

1:33:56 ↗ what the tabs response was

1:33:59 ↗ that's something that you'd like to hear

1:34:00 ↗ so we're uh it's that

1:34:03 ↗ we're in the opposite problem we

1:34:04 ↗ normally have it's only 7 36 and people

1:34:06 ↗ are pretty quiet tonight it's and it

1:34:07 ↗ sounds like they do need to hear some

1:34:09 ↗ some uh good feedback to bring back when

1:34:12 ↗ they

1:34:13 ↗ bring this to council is that right

1:34:15 ↗ yes and i am bringing back the three

1:34:18 ↗ questions that we are asking feedback

1:34:21 ↗ about i just

1:34:23 ↗ want first of all uh did we have any

1:34:26 ↗ other comments on the chat i think i had

1:34:29 ↗ saw something popping up

1:34:33 ↗ i'm sorry i think i missed erica

1:34:36 ↗ that's okay um and i don't even know if

1:34:38 ↗ this is something

1:34:39 ↗ to consider but uh since we are

1:34:42 ↗ adjusting the criteria like it looks

1:34:44 ↗ like we're moving beyond just speeding

1:34:47 ↗ um um and breaking out into like three

1:34:50 ↗ different ones

1:34:51 ↗ do you anticipate then that kind of

1:34:53 ↗ opening like the floodgates and then

1:34:55 ↗ like there would be more opportunities

1:34:57 ↗ for um traffic coming to happen in

1:34:59 ↗ neighborhoods

1:35:00 ↗ and then

1:35:01 ↗ like i'm just kind of picturing like a

1:35:03 ↗ bit of a spiraling kind of staff

1:35:05 ↗ capacity is that a concern of this at

1:35:08 ↗ all

1:35:09 ↗ um

1:35:10 ↗ i feel like i mean it's a good problem

1:35:11 ↗ to have right it's you know more

1:35:12 ↗ neighborhoods can get the things that

1:35:14 ↗ they need that they previously weren't

1:35:15 ↗ able to get but then just i guess will

1:35:18 ↗ that is it kicking the can of it

1:35:20 ↗ i i think it does open more

1:35:22 ↗ opportunities uh for traffic coming

1:35:25 ↗ devices first of all um because

1:35:28 ↗ previously we only included on local

1:35:31 ↗ roles now we are in with the new

1:35:33 ↗ guidelines we are also including

1:35:35 ↗ collectors

1:35:36 ↗ that's i think that's one

1:35:39 ↗ uh

1:35:41 ↗ very big reason why it would open up for

1:35:44 ↗ more opportunities uh the concern about

1:35:48 ↗ whether we have we will have the staff

1:35:49 ↗ capacity and and including uh the budget

1:35:53 ↗ um

1:35:54 ↗ since when we evaluate the projects and

1:35:58 ↗ that would be uh going through a yearly

1:36:01 ↗ uh

1:36:02 ↗ process and program we will for the

1:36:04 ↗ selection of of projects we will take

1:36:07 ↗ that into consideration the staff

1:36:09 ↗ capacity and the budget and that's when

1:36:11 ↗ we

1:36:12 ↗ after receiving all the petitions that's

1:36:15 ↗ where we uh

1:36:17 ↗ try to consolidate those or reduce that

1:36:20 ↗ into what we can do um kind of screening

1:36:23 ↗ uh all the reviews before

1:36:26 ↗ presenting to to the council the

1:36:27 ↗ proposed projects

1:36:32 ↗ can i ask a follow-up

1:36:35 ↗ um

1:36:36 ↗ how many uh do you get like a year on

1:36:39 ↗ average or whether there's some like one

1:36:42 ↗ year there's a big spike for some reason

1:36:44 ↗ or is it pretty consistent year year

1:36:47 ↗ for that i will turn over to john maybe

1:36:50 ↗ he can answer that question better

1:36:54 ↗ it's hard to say because

1:36:56 ↗ they come in with our c click fix system

1:36:59 ↗ and so we'll get requests for marking

1:37:01 ↗ crosswalks with traffic calming

1:37:05 ↗ but i will say that the requests that we

1:37:07 ↗ get are

1:37:09 ↗ generally pretty consistent that there's

1:37:12 ↗ probably five or six road streets where

1:37:14 ↗ we get most of our requests

1:37:22 ↗ is there any thought to if something is

1:37:25 ↗ like a repeated request like over the

1:37:27 ↗ course of years and it just you know if

1:37:30 ↗ it's not reaching

1:37:31 ↗ like quite that level of speed or other

1:37:35 ↗ factors that it needs but it is like a

1:37:37 ↗ very long term thing you know like more

1:37:39 ↗ than just one person that neighborhood

1:37:41 ↗ bringing it up

1:37:43 ↗ is that and like taking into

1:37:45 ↗ consideration at all

1:37:48 ↗ well i think with the current or the

1:37:50 ↗ proposed guidelines that would allow for

1:37:52 ↗ something like that because it could put

1:37:53 ↗ into the context

1:37:55 ↗ with the current policy we just can't do

1:37:57 ↗ that

1:38:09 ↗ and

1:38:10 ↗ if there are not

1:38:12 ↗ i'm sorry someone had another question

1:38:16 ↗ gillian

1:38:18 ↗ julian

1:38:19 ↗ looks like yeah um could you speak in

1:38:21 ↗ order to tell about

1:38:24 ↗ the interactions with the various city

1:38:27 ↗ agencies uh but particularly about the

1:38:30 ↗ um

1:38:31 ↗ you know the traffic calming uh devices

1:38:34 ↗ um

1:38:35 ↗ how that would go usually

1:38:38 ↗ considering that most of these designs

1:38:40 ↗ be standardized correct

1:38:45 ↗ so

1:38:47 ↗ i'm sorry i am having a very hard time

1:38:51 ↗ hearing you um

1:38:53 ↗ i don't know if

1:38:56 ↗ are you asking us to provide more on the

1:39:00 ↗ process of interaction with other cities

1:39:07 ↗ the other city department yeah

1:39:14 ↗ john can i have can i phone a friend on

1:39:17 ↗ here on this one

1:39:20 ↗ sure so in terms of coordinating with

1:39:23 ↗ other city departments when we have

1:39:25 ↗ traffic coming

1:39:26 ↗ the

1:39:27 ↗ well and it's changed a little bit now

1:39:29 ↗ it used to be the

1:39:31 ↗ public works was divided into two

1:39:33 ↗ departments operations which did the

1:39:36 ↗ main maintenance

1:39:37 ↗ and engineering which did the design and

1:39:39 ↗ construction but now we're one

1:39:41 ↗ department but the first group that we

1:39:43 ↗ always talk to are the operations folks

1:39:46 ↗ because

1:39:47 ↗ we don't want to be installing something

1:39:48 ↗ that they can't maintain

1:39:51 ↗ and then

1:39:53 ↗ issaquah the fire department technically

1:39:56 ↗ is eastside fire and rescue which is a

1:39:58 ↗ separate organization but let's treat

1:39:59 ↗ them like they're

1:40:00 ↗ a separate city department and that's

1:40:02 ↗ another one that

1:40:04 ↗ whenever we do traffic calming we reach

1:40:06 ↗ out to the fire department and talk to

1:40:08 ↗ them too

1:40:12 ↗ and then i guess the the final one is we

1:40:15 ↗ always keep the communications team and

1:40:17 ↗ the exec office involved when we're

1:40:20 ↗ working on traffic coming because it's a

1:40:22 ↗ very

1:40:23 ↗ public involved process

1:40:39 ↗ so

1:40:40 ↗ cynthia were you ready

1:40:42 ↗ then to pro uh

1:40:44 ↗ to get on the questions on the feedback

1:40:51 ↗ um i'm sorry could you i mean i feel i

1:40:53 ↗ feel like

1:40:54 ↗ are you talking about the final slide

1:40:56 ↗ yes

1:40:58 ↗ can i guess i had one question and

1:41:00 ↗ that's um

1:41:02 ↗ were you um planning to

1:41:06 ↗ i know sometimes things are kind of

1:41:07 ↗ complex

1:41:08 ↗ and it's good to get um a discussion and

1:41:11 ↗ then a

1:41:12 ↗ formal recommendation in a subsequent

1:41:13 ↗ meeting because it's sometimes it's a

1:41:14 ↗ lot to take in i wasn't sure if you were

1:41:16 ↗ hoping to get that all i couldn't

1:41:18 ↗ remember if we discussed this

1:41:20 ↗ already but um do you anticipate having

1:41:23 ↗ another meeting i'm not

1:41:25 ↗ um or or would this be the opportunity

1:41:28 ↗ for us to give our recommendation

1:41:30 ↗ yes the idea is that we get the the

1:41:33 ↗ recommendation from you but but the our

1:41:37 ↗ last

1:41:38 ↗ question on the feedback also includes

1:41:41 ↗ like if you need additional feedback

1:41:43 ↗ before making a recommendation so that's

1:41:46 ↗ uh that could be your that question that

1:41:49 ↗ you are posing if we if you need

1:41:52 ↗ additional feedback i keep trying to

1:41:54 ↗ hold my tongue because i

1:41:56 ↗ i'm trying to train myself to let other

1:41:57 ↗ people speak but i'm not hearing a ton

1:41:59 ↗ and i think what's happening is it makes

1:42:00 ↗ a lot of sense i think it's a great um i

1:42:03 ↗ think the changes you described and i'm

1:42:05 ↗ seeing a lot of nod so i don't want to

1:42:07 ↗ speak for other people but um it does

1:42:09 ↗ seem like you guys have done a good job

1:42:11 ↗ it seems like you've been really

1:42:12 ↗ responsive to the community i feel like

1:42:14 ↗ this um

1:42:16 ↗ this whole uh

1:42:18 ↗ simplification

1:42:19 ↗ um and i honestly can't remember all the

1:42:21 ↗ discussions we had as the board um back

1:42:24 ↗ in 2019

1:42:26 ↗ and i are the only ones in the room that

1:42:28 ↗ were in those conversations but it was

1:42:29 ↗ helpful for you to go dig that up um i

1:42:32 ↗ think that you're this process that

1:42:34 ↗ you're engaging in and these questions

1:42:35 ↗ are the right questions but i think

1:42:37 ↗ maybe this is one of the easier ones as

1:42:39 ↗ i'm just seeing a lot of nodding and it

1:42:40 ↗ just makes a lot of sense but why don't

1:42:42 ↗ we um

1:42:44 ↗ kind of make one last call for anybody

1:42:46 ↗ that isn't ready to yeah

1:42:49 ↗ um i see sujata says she agrees

1:42:52 ↗ um

1:42:53 ↗ i don't know if you you know this board

1:42:55 ↗ hasn't been in the habit of making

1:42:57 ↗ taking a vote on formal recommendations

1:43:00 ↗ um and i'm not even sure it's necessary

1:43:01 ↗ that's really up to you guys because

1:43:03 ↗ we're an advisory body

1:43:05 ↗ but um i think

1:43:08 ↗ unless anybody has anything else to say

1:43:10 ↗ it seems like we're pretty much all on

1:43:12 ↗ board

1:43:13 ↗ um

1:43:14 ↗ and this seems pretty straightforward

1:43:16 ↗ and much improved um

1:43:18 ↗ so

1:43:20 ↗ uh i would personally support bringing

1:43:21 ↗ this to council as you prevent presented

1:43:24 ↗ it and i personally don't have any

1:43:25 ↗ changes to consider nor do i have any

1:43:28 ↗ need for additional feedback but let's

1:43:30 ↗ make sure that um

1:43:32 ↗ i'm not speaking for the group and that

1:43:33 ↗ anyone else has any other

1:43:35 ↗ um if there's anyone that

1:43:39 ↗ doesn't um

1:43:42 ↗ i mean i guess i always like to know who

1:43:43 ↗ we're advising when we're an advisory

1:43:45 ↗ body and we're advising staff

1:43:47 ↗ as you make recommendations to council

1:43:49 ↗ so we're advising advising council in

1:43:51 ↗ some way what do you need from us is it

1:43:53 ↗ is it sufficient just to say that you

1:43:55 ↗ know that we're on board or do you is it

1:43:57 ↗ give you does it strengthen

1:43:59 ↗ your presentation if you say that we

1:44:01 ↗ voted on it

1:44:05 ↗ do you it doesn't feel like it is a

1:44:07 ↗ meaningful difference

1:44:09 ↗ for your purposes but i'm happy to

1:44:12 ↗ seems like a

1:44:14 ↗ pretty straightforward

1:44:17 ↗ but we just haven't really worked that

1:44:18 ↗ out the tab is still pretty new and we

1:44:20 ↗ had our big um mmp but we haven't really

1:44:25 ↗ yeah i've served on other boards where

1:44:26 ↗ the issues were fairly controversial and

1:44:28 ↗ it was important to collect a vote and

1:44:30 ↗ hear a minority report etc that didn't

1:44:32 ↗ happen very often but it happened

1:44:34 ↗ sometimes so anyway

1:44:35 ↗ um

1:44:37 ↗ i'm not hearing yeah

1:44:39 ↗ i don't think we need a vote but yeah if

1:44:41 ↗ you want to uh you can uh

1:44:44 ↗ move forward that way but just a general

1:44:47 ↗ consensus if we feel that way that would

1:44:50 ↗ work too

1:44:51 ↗ i'm seeing general consensus

1:44:54 ↗ and there's uh we have

1:44:57 ↗ much more than a quorum so i mean it's

1:44:59 ↗ not like we barely even had a quorum so

1:45:03 ↗ plenty of people and um

1:45:05 ↗ yeah

1:45:06 ↗ so this is great i think it's great

1:45:09 ↗ i don't think we need to

1:45:11 ↗ spend more time on it i guess you guys

1:45:13 ↗ did a great job

1:45:18 ↗ isabelle did anything else on that

1:45:21 ↗ nope that is what i what we needed

1:45:25 ↗ great

1:45:26 ↗ well that was easy that makes me feel

1:45:28 ↗ good like we're doing getting better

1:45:31 ↗ like offering better

1:45:33 ↗ service to the community that we're here

1:45:35 ↗ to serve so that feels good

1:45:39 ↗ um

1:45:40 ↗ that brings us to item five a and um i'm

1:45:44 ↗ so used to looking to steven for the

1:45:45 ↗ board work plan but that would be you

1:45:47 ↗ isabelle right to review the board work

1:45:48 ↗ plan

1:45:50 ↗ yes

1:45:51 ↗ and for the board

1:45:56 ↗ because i should come back to the screen

1:46:00 ↗ yes so for the board um

1:46:02 ↗ work plan we have for the next meeting

1:46:04 ↗ which will be in november 18th um

1:46:08 ↗ we have scheduled to discuss title 18

1:46:12 ↗ development standards

1:46:14 ↗ we will go through the 2022 board work

1:46:17 ↗ plan and we will also provide a metro

1:46:20 ↗ staff update and discussion

1:46:29 ↗ do you have any staff report

1:46:32 ↗ yes uh

1:46:33 ↗ we we do we we were selected for a grant

1:46:37 ↗ to construct ada curb ramps in old town

1:46:40 ↗ to connect uh the senior center with the

1:46:43 ↗ city hall and the community center and

1:46:46 ↗ with issaquah food and clothing bank so

1:46:48 ↗ that's good news for us

1:46:50 ↗ and also

1:46:52 ↗ the other announcement is that um at the

1:46:55 ↗ beginning of

1:46:57 ↗ november november 1st uh where the city

1:46:59 ↗ will be

1:47:00 ↗ [Music]

1:47:02 ↗ open will be opening again as they

1:47:04 ↗ limited with limited service city hall

1:47:07 ↗ uh

1:47:08 ↗ as it was a in uh as it started in

1:47:11 ↗ august uh two days a week monday

1:47:13 ↗ tuesdays and thursdays for limited hours

1:47:17 ↗ so it seems like we

1:47:19 ↗ will uh we are planning to uh

1:47:22 ↗ going back

1:47:24 ↗ how we were

1:47:26 ↗ soon

1:47:30 ↗ and what about the boards and

1:47:31 ↗ commissions and meetings

1:47:33 ↗ we haven't heard from that but

1:47:36 ↗ yet

1:47:36 ↗ but

1:47:37 ↗ i'm sure we will soon and we will keep

1:47:39 ↗ you updated as soon as we get

1:47:42 ↗ information on that

1:47:50 ↗ all right well i don't have a chair

1:47:51 ↗ report

1:47:52 ↗ um

1:47:54 ↗ and um

1:47:57 ↗ oh my gosh his name is

1:47:58 ↗ jose

1:47:59 ↗ is not here this evening and didn't send

1:48:01 ↗ a youth report so i think those reports

1:48:03 ↗ are

1:48:05 ↗ covered

1:48:06 ↗ do we have any other business or

1:48:07 ↗ announcements

1:48:15 ↗ well

1:48:17 ↗ nine extra minutes should we go ahead

1:48:20 ↗ and adjourn

1:48:24 ↗ i don't see any reason not to good job

1:48:26 ↗ you guys that was good uh look forward

1:48:27 ↗ to seeing you again thanks for all the

1:48:29 ↗ people always a good dude good job

1:48:31 ↗ coming um well prepared and um

1:48:35 ↗ it's a good job on this stuff oh go

1:48:37 ↗ ahead jerry one more thing um i couldn't

1:48:39 ↗ find the doodle pool

1:48:42 ↗ um when did when was it sent

1:48:45 ↗ because i couldn't find it on in my

1:48:47 ↗ email

1:48:48 ↗ i was looking for it

1:48:50 ↗ oh look i'll i'll make sure that

1:48:53 ↗ you have a link to it and

1:48:56 ↗ so i'll send you another one and then

1:48:58 ↗ i'll send probably another reminder in

1:49:00 ↗ case there are a few people who haven't

1:49:01 ↗ done it as well and i'll have the link

1:49:03 ↗ okay

1:49:05 ↗ thanks all right

1:49:06 ↗ that was all

1:49:07 ↗ i did receive it so some some of us got

1:49:10 ↗ it uh i'm sure some of us have taken it

1:49:13 ↗ all right well you guys all have a great

1:49:15 ↗ evening we'll see you next time

1:49:18 ↗ happy fall everyone for your

1:49:20 ↗ participation

1:49:22 ↗ bye

1:49:31 ↗ you

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