Planning Policy Commission · Thursday, December 8, 2022 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of October 3, 2022

packet pp.3–4

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Staff report:

MINUTES PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION 6:00 p.m. - Thursday, October 3, 2022

Minutes of October 13, 2022

packet pp.5–14

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Staff report:

MINUTES PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION 6:30 p.m. - Thursday, October 13, 2022

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Affordable Housing 101

Discussion · 60 min · Lindsay Masters, Executive Director, ARCH Mike Stanger, Senior Planner, ARCH · packet pp.15–16

Topics: Housing

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Staff report:

The purpose of the December 8 Planning Policy Commission (PPC) meeting is to hear and ask questions regarding a presentation on housing.

Title 18: Setting the Stage

Discussion · 30 min · Minnie Dhaliwal, Director, Community Planning & Development · packet pp.17–162

Topics: Land Use

Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · May 27, 2021 Planning Policy Commission · Jun 24, 2021 Planning Policy Commission · Jul 15, 2021 Planning Policy Commission · Jul 22, 2021

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Staff report:

The purpose of the December 8, 2022, Planning Policy Commission (PPC) meeting is to introduce the final process for the land use code update and initiate final policy discussions prior to the public hearings.

5. REPORTS

Council Update

Minnie Dhaliwal, Director, Community Planning & Development

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Upcoming Schedule

packet pp.163–164

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Staff report:

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0:03 ↗ foreign

0:04 ↗ good evening everyone

0:06 ↗ I would like to call the December 8th

0:08 ↗ planning policy Commission meeting to

0:09 ↗ order it is currently 6 34.

0:14 ↗ it is great to see all of you

0:16 ↗ it's been I believe almost a two-month

0:19 ↗ break for us which is almost unheard of

0:22 ↗ tonight we have not only most of our

0:25 ↗ commissioners but we also have a large

0:27 ↗ part of our commission staff family with

0:30 ↗ us so

0:32 ↗ tonight we're going to meet we're going

0:34 ↗ to go over some informational

0:36 ↗ packets and presentations and then we're

0:39 ↗ going to take another break

0:40 ↗ and then we're going to have four

0:42 ↗ successive meetings at the beginning of

0:44 ↗ January

0:45 ↗ so

0:47 ↗ it looks like staff has earned

0:49 ↗ the opportunity to make us work when we

0:52 ↗ get back

0:54 ↗ tonight's meeting is a hybrid meeting

0:56 ↗ the planning policy commission is in

0:58 ↗ person but staff or members of the

1:01 ↗ public may be attending virtually or in

1:03 ↗ person

1:04 ↗ Kristen tonight do we have a quorum

1:10 ↗ yes we do

1:12 ↗ all right

1:14 ↗ we do have two excused absences and in

1:16 ↗ the interest of letting everyone know

1:18 ↗ Vice chair Bader is one of those excused

1:21 ↗ absences and I just like to let

1:22 ↗ everybody know that Vice chair baby did

1:26 ↗ have her baby twins

1:28 ↗ and um mother and family are all doing

1:31 ↗ well and are at home and probably

1:33 ↗ watching us now so we want to make sure

1:35 ↗ we do Sarah proud tonight

1:39 ↗ so our first item of business is to take

1:41 ↗ action to approve the minutes for the

1:43 ↗ October 3rd and the October 13th meeting

1:46 ↗ are there any corrections to the draft

1:49 ↗ minutes that were provided in the agenda

1:50 ↗ packet

1:54 ↗ hearing none the minutes are approved

1:57 ↗ now our next item of business is public

2:00 ↗ comment

2:01 ↗ so the guidelines for tonight's public

2:03 ↗ comments are tonight's meeting will be

2:05 ↗ made in person or virtually

2:07 ↗ I don't believe we have anyone in person

2:09 ↗ but for all those who would like to

2:11 ↗ speak during public comments speak

2:13 ↗ clearly and pause frequently

2:16 ↗ state your name each time before

2:17 ↗ speaking

2:19 ↗ and if you're attending virtually which

2:21 ↗ you will be

2:22 ↗ you can join by computer or by phone and

2:26 ↗ if you'd like to speak please mute your

2:28 ↗ microphone when you're not speaking and

2:30 ↗ if you're having any technical issues

2:31 ↗ try joining the meeting using a

2:33 ↗ different device such as a smartphone or

2:34 ↗ tablet you can also use the call and

2:37 ↗ information in the meeting invite to

2:38 ↗ call into the meeting

2:41 ↗ public comments are an important part of

2:43 ↗ the process we take them seriously and

2:45 ↗ they are factored into the

2:46 ↗ decision-making process

2:48 ↗ comments may be General tonight or

2:50 ↗ related to the topics we are going to

2:52 ↗ discuss

2:53 ↗ please note that the comments do are

2:55 ↗ limited to to five minutes or less

2:58 ↗ Stephen do we have anyone who has signed

3:00 ↗ up for public comments tonight

3:02 ↗ one is signed up you made me say all of

3:05 ↗ that

3:06 ↗ thank you Stephen

3:09 ↗ all right so the next item on the agenda

3:11 ↗ is regular business and tonight we have

3:13 ↗ a presentation on affordable housing

3:15 ↗ 101. tonight our guests are from Arch

3:19 ↗ and they will be presenting housing in

3:20 ↗ Issaquah

3:22 ↗ uh Lindsay please go ahead with your

3:24 ↗ presentation when you're ready

3:28 ↗ foreign

3:54 ↗ but I would like to briefly say um we

3:57 ↗ have both Lindsay Walsh executive

3:58 ↗ director and Mike Stanger senior planner

4:01 ↗ from a regional Coalition for housing

4:03 ↗ which is Arch also known as Arch and

4:05 ↗ when we were doing Title 18 and the

4:07 ↗ affordable housing chapter there were

4:10 ↗ lots and lots of questions that came up

4:12 ↗ and starting in 2023 we are going to

4:15 ↗ have several housing issues that we will

4:17 ↗ be talking about including some of the

4:20 ↗ implementation of our

4:21 ↗ housing action strategy plan and our

4:25 ↗ comprehensive plan and all sorts of good

4:27 ↗ things so just as a preface to that and

4:31 ↗ just as an education to make sure you

4:32 ↗ all feel comfortable with it we've

4:34 ↗ invited them to come to a housing

4:35 ↗ one-on-one discussion Force

4:38 ↗ thank you Kristen

4:42 ↗ great well um I'm Lindsay Masters

4:44 ↗ executive director of arch and I have

4:46 ↗ here with me Mike Stanger senior planner

4:48 ↗ with Arch we're really excited to be

4:51 ↗ here um we hope you'll get to know us

4:53 ↗ throughout the presentation but we are a

4:56 ↗ continual resource for the City of

4:58 ↗ Issaquah on your housing issues housing

5:00 ↗ planning so we hope this isn't the last

5:01 ↗ time we get to speak with you

5:05 ↗ the topics we're going to try to cover

5:07 ↗ tonight is so just some basic

5:09 ↗ foundational things

5:11 ↗ how do we Define affordable housing what

5:14 ↗ are some of the terms that we use when

5:15 ↗ we talk about that who are the types of

5:18 ↗ folks who are looking for and who are

5:20 ↗ living in affordable housing we've got

5:22 ↗ some examples of that to share with you

5:25 ↗ um we want to tell you a little bit

5:26 ↗ about Arch how we work and how we

5:28 ↗ partner with cities like Issaquah to

5:30 ↗ advance affordable housing

5:32 ↗ we want to show you a few of those

5:33 ↗ examples that have been created through

5:35 ↗ past efforts and then we want to kind of

5:39 ↗ open it up to a discussion about

5:40 ↗ potential future opportunities things

5:43 ↗ that you might have questions about and

5:45 ↗ we welcome a robust dialogue tonight we

5:48 ↗ could spend probably an entire day

5:50 ↗ talking about affordable housing so if

5:52 ↗ there's anything we missed in our

5:54 ↗ presentation please feel free to ask us

5:59 ↗ okay so just starting with some Basics

6:02 ↗ um I know there are at least a couple

6:04 ↗ people on this uh commission that

6:07 ↗ probably have a pretty deep knowledge of

6:08 ↗ affordable housing so but we did want to

6:11 ↗ start with some general concepts

6:14 ↗ and Mike and I are going to share these

6:15 ↗ this these slides so forgive us we

6:17 ↗ haven't practiced the back and forth but

6:19 ↗ we're making as smooth as possible

6:22 ↗ thanks

6:24 ↗ for having us tonight I'm really excited

6:26 ↗ to be back it's been years since I've

6:28 ↗ been here and

6:31 ↗ whole new commission uh it's great

6:34 ↗ um so but every time I'm part of a

6:37 ↗ discussion like this someone always asks

6:40 ↗ what do you mean by affordable housing

6:43 ↗ and so I thought it was a good idea to

6:46 ↗ um

6:47 ↗ try and at least put it in our context

6:49 ↗ because it does mean different things to

6:52 ↗ different people in different contexts

6:54 ↗ when we will talk about affordable

6:57 ↗ housing here and in the future

7:00 ↗ or for statistical analysis or are you

7:04 ↗ talking about certain programs and

7:07 ↗ policies housing is Affordable when the

7:11 ↗ housing expenses are no more than 30

7:13 ↗ percent of household's gross income

7:17 ↗ Beyond 30 percent of the household's

7:20 ↗ gross income then we speak of that as

7:22 ↗ being housing cost burdened

7:25 ↗ if housing costs get to be above 50

7:27 ↗ percent of the household's income then

7:31 ↗ we refer to that as severely cost burden

7:34 ↗ so anything about 30 percent you're

7:36 ↗ starting to dig into what that family

7:38 ↗ can pay for other necessities like

7:40 ↗ clothing and food and so forth but 50

7:43 ↗ then you're talking about someone who's

7:47 ↗ realistically on the edge of uh you know

7:50 ↗ potential homelessness

7:53 ↗ um so that leaves up with a question

7:55 ↗ that you know what's affordable to one

7:58 ↗ person or one household may not be

8:00 ↗ affordable to another

8:01 ↗ and so uh generally speaking when we're

8:04 ↗ talking about we're talking about uh

8:06 ↗ housing that has price restrictions and

8:09 ↗ income qualifications

8:12 ↗ that are secured by Covenants

8:15 ↗ covenants that are recorded on the

8:16 ↗ property

8:17 ↗ and the income and price limits are

8:19 ↗ based on local state or federal

8:21 ↗ guidelines program

8:24 ↗ policy decisions that benefit are meant

8:27 ↗ to benefit people at certain income

8:29 ↗ levels

8:30 ↗ um so Lindsay will talk next about what

8:32 ↗ some of those programs are and what

8:34 ↗ affordability looks like in those more

8:37 ↗ specific terms

8:40 ↗ thanks Mike

8:42 ↗ um

8:43 ↗ so there's a vast array of different

8:46 ↗ programs and funding tools that help to

8:49 ↗ establish what are what we talked about

8:52 ↗ as those kind of really restricted

8:54 ↗ affordable housing where you have

8:57 ↗ ongoing restrictions on a property that

8:59 ↗ make sure it stays affordable and that's

9:02 ↗ important

9:03 ↗ in part because

9:05 ↗ um

9:06 ↗ consistently we see that on the private

9:08 ↗ Market there is just not naturally

9:11 ↗ housing that is going to be affordable

9:13 ↗ at those lowest income levels and so

9:15 ↗ it's necessary to get those through

9:16 ↗ restrictions

9:17 ↗ there is a complex layering of efforts

9:21 ↗ from the federal down to the state and

9:22 ↗ local governments that come together to

9:25 ↗ create affordable housing just big

9:28 ↗ picture history wise I'm a historian the

9:31 ↗ federal government historically was was

9:34 ↗ the place where public and affordable

9:36 ↗ housing programs were created

9:38 ↗ many of the original developments some

9:42 ↗ of what you have here in Issaquah were

9:43 ↗ created through HUD programs

9:46 ↗ those wound down over time primarily

9:49 ↗ during the 1980s the federal government

9:51 ↗ took a big step back from being

9:53 ↗ responsible for creating affordable

9:56 ↗ housing and public housing

9:58 ↗ and so a lot of that responsibility now

10:00 ↗ Falls to State and local governments

10:01 ↗ working together still trying to bring

10:04 ↗ in federal resources but they aren't

10:05 ↗ they aren't what they used to be

10:09 ↗ so at the federal level we do still

10:11 ↗ continue to have a big stock of public

10:13 ↗ housing there is a Section 8 program

10:15 ↗ that's funded at the by the federal

10:16 ↗ government each year but it does not

10:19 ↗ grow with the need it pretty much stays

10:22 ↗ constant some additions sometimes allow

10:26 ↗ you to add a little bit more resource to

10:27 ↗ the community

10:30 ↗ um what the government what the federal

10:31 ↗ government does continue to do is

10:33 ↗ allocate private tax credits into

10:35 ↗ something called that low-income housing

10:37 ↗ tax credit program that's now the

10:39 ↗ largest production program for

10:41 ↗ affordable housing in the nation

10:43 ↗ and that's what we at the local level

10:44 ↗ are trying to constantly attract into

10:47 ↗ our community so we get continue to get

10:49 ↗ that investment

10:51 ↗ at the state level there is a state

10:53 ↗ Housing Trust Fund that's a really

10:54 ↗ important program we Advocate every year

10:56 ↗ for that to be funded but that doesn't

10:59 ↗ necessarily mean every city gets those

11:02 ↗ resources to come into their community

11:03 ↗ so a big part of what we're doing at the

11:07 ↗ local level is trying to again work with

11:09 ↗ our state partners

11:11 ↗ to attract some of those resources into

11:14 ↗ the community same thing goes for

11:16 ↗ ongoing subsidies that help support the

11:19 ↗ operations and sort of provide rental

11:21 ↗ subsidies to bring those down to the

11:23 ↗ most affordable levels

11:25 ↗ but at the local level is where a lot of

11:28 ↗ this comes together and it's kind of

11:29 ↗ make or break if you have a city

11:31 ↗ actively trying to tap into these

11:34 ↗ programs and resources and that's a big

11:37 ↗ part of what Arch does as a as a service

11:40 ↗ so at the local level you've got a lot

11:42 ↗ of tools in your toolbox

11:44 ↗ you obviously have land use controls and

11:47 ↗ you have the ability to offer incentives

11:49 ↗ to development you have the ability to

11:52 ↗ require affordability in exchange for a

11:55 ↗ lot of those development incentives you

11:57 ↗ do have the opportunity to offer

12:00 ↗ property tax exemptions in exchange for

12:03 ↗ ongoing affordability

12:05 ↗ and we've seen that used both for

12:07 ↗ short-term and for long-term

12:08 ↗ affordability just something to plug for

12:10 ↗ the future you also have the ability to

12:13 ↗ invest local dollars

12:15 ↗ we do have a trust fund program that

12:17 ↗ I'll talk a little bit more about later

12:19 ↗ in the presentation

12:23 ↗ so there's a term that is important to

12:26 ↗ know about so that when it comes to to

12:29 ↗ designing and sort of tailoring your

12:32 ↗ programs to meet specific needs you have

12:36 ↗ an understanding of how do we sort of

12:38 ↗ Define the different income levels that

12:40 ↗ we are serving

12:42 ↗ so the term is area median income most

12:45 ↗ affordable housing programs are

12:48 ↗ targeting some income group based on a

12:51 ↗ percentage of What's called the HUD area

12:53 ↗ median income this is an income figure

12:56 ↗ that HUD publishes every year for the

12:59 ↗ for different Regional areas our area is

13:01 ↗ the king Snohomish County region

13:05 ↗ and then what we at the local level do

13:08 ↗ is we set up income targets based on a

13:11 ↗ percent of that median income you can

13:14 ↗ see in this chart here what that looks

13:17 ↗ like in practice so there would be a

13:19 ↗ program say targeting 60 percent of area

13:22 ↗ median income that means households at

13:26 ↗ that range from earning 56 000 for a

13:29 ↗ one-person household up to say eighty

13:31 ↗ thousand for a four-person household

13:33 ↗ that's the income range that that

13:35 ↗ program would be targeting

13:38 ↗ our median income has been growing

13:40 ↗ pretty quickly in King County and so

13:43 ↗ that's causing a lot of changes in our

13:45 ↗ affordable housing programs

13:47 ↗ but generally speaking East King County

13:50 ↗ is an even higher income place than the

13:52 ↗ region as a whole so it's an interesting

13:55 ↗ dynamic

13:57 ↗ so how we translate that into what

14:00 ↗ housing housing cost or Price

14:02 ↗ restriction might be is we take a look

14:05 ↗ at what is a household of a specific

14:09 ↗ size earning at one of those Target

14:11 ↗ levels

14:14 ↗ and then we translate what could they

14:16 ↗ afford to pay if they're paying 30

14:18 ↗ percent of their income towards say rent

14:21 ↗ so for example

14:23 ↗ a uh a one-person household renting a

14:28 ↗ studio if they are earning 80 percent of

14:30 ↗ the median income they could afford

14:32 ↗ eighteen hundred dollars and eighteen

14:35 ↗ hundred and eighty four dollars a month

14:37 ↗ we do try to make sure that our programs

14:41 ↗ also capture utilities so if there are

14:43 ↗ ongoing utilities charged to a tenant

14:46 ↗ those are a part of that cap

14:50 ↗ and if there are any questions I think

14:52 ↗ we would welcome questions throughout

14:53 ↗ especially on some of the we the weedy

14:55 ↗ stuff

14:58 ↗ there's also a way to convert sort of

15:01 ↗ what those gross household incomes are

15:04 ↗ on an annual basis to what a purchase

15:07 ↗ price might be if we're talking about a

15:09 ↗ home ownership affordable home ownership

15:11 ↗ program this is what current sale price

15:14 ↗ limits would be at those different

15:16 ↗ income levels based on

15:19 ↗ Uh current conditions today so we've got

15:22 ↗ a formula that takes into account what

15:25 ↗ current property tax rates are what

15:27 ↗ current mortgage 30-year mortgage

15:29 ↗ interest rates are and what does that

15:31 ↗ translate to as an ongoing mortgage

15:33 ↗ payment in a sale price I believe we

15:36 ↗ have an assumption of a 10 down payment

15:37 ↗ so that's what that looks like that's

15:40 ↗ that's what folks can afford at these

15:42 ↗ different income levels as far as

15:44 ↗ purchasing power

15:48 ↗ I'm going to pass it over to Mike to

15:50 ↗ explain this lovely chart here

15:52 ↗ and I think Lindsay likes this chair so

15:55 ↗ she made me explain it

15:58 ↗ um

15:59 ↗ what we're trying to do here is is

16:01 ↗ really to see how the those figures play

16:04 ↗ out for actual people or people in

16:07 ↗ actual

16:08 ↗ um you know Common occupations and how

16:11 ↗ we would compare that to um

16:14 ↗ the the their typical wages to um

16:18 ↗ that are meant to benefit from the

16:20 ↗ program so for example

16:22 ↗ if you had a single police officer or a

16:24 ↗ single firefighter or nurse

16:28 ↗ um their incomes turn out to be you know

16:30 ↗ on the scale of a single person or

16:32 ↗ better than 80 percent of median so we

16:35 ↗ would expect

16:37 ↗ um that that person could afford housing

16:40 ↗ price levels up to 90 or 100 percent of

16:43 ↗ median income

16:44 ↗ but not a whole lot higher than that

16:48 ↗ and then many of other key people in the

16:52 ↗ local Workforce like restaurant staff or

16:54 ↗ retail customer service folks home

16:57 ↗ health aids

16:58 ↗ obviously make a whole lot less than

17:02 ↗ less than half the median in fact

17:05 ↗ the Census Bureau released new American

17:08 ↗ Community survey data today

17:10 ↗ which I dug up

17:13 ↗ and 43 percent of the people who work in

17:17 ↗ Issaquah make less than fifty thousand

17:19 ↗ dollars a year

17:20 ↗ and that's pretty common throughout the

17:22 ↗ East Side actually so there are a lot of

17:25 ↗ lower paying jobs and as you would

17:28 ↗ expect

17:30 ↗ you have to have two incomes to um make

17:34 ↗ housing work

17:36 ↗ with these prices so this is the same

17:39 ↗ incomes compared to a four-person

17:41 ↗ household the scale the against the Amer

17:44 ↗ um the Ami

17:47 ↗ and here

17:49 ↗ um

17:50 ↗ and now a firefighter is going to need

17:52 ↗ another wage earn her if they have a

17:55 ↗ four-person household to afford even an

17:57 ↗ 80 percent median uh home or if you're

18:02 ↗ one of the lower wage workers then two

18:04 ↗ of you won't even be able to afford a

18:06 ↗ median rent which according to the new

18:09 ↗ data is about twenty three hundred

18:10 ↗ dollars

18:12 ↗ for a median rent in Issaquah

18:16 ↗ um

18:18 ↗ and how much affordable housing is there

18:21 ↗ Market as well as market rate as well as

18:27 ↗ restricted housing and these are the

18:31 ↗ latest estimates

18:32 ↗ that we have to work with

18:35 ↗ showing that roughly 20 percent of

18:38 ↗ issaquah's housing Supply is Affordable

18:40 ↗ to someone making 80 percent of median

18:43 ↗ that's actually right on par with the

18:46 ↗ east side as a whole

18:49 ↗ [Music]

18:50 ↗ um

18:54 ↗ uh sorry I lost my place for a second

18:59 ↗ there's a couple of problems with

19:02 ↗ um

19:03 ↗ oh and then I wanted to point out the

19:06 ↗ the household incomes toward the bottom

19:09 ↗ there you can see that there's about

19:11 ↗ what

19:13 ↗ um 20 something percent

19:15 ↗ there of your households are in that 80

19:18 ↗ and below so

19:20 ↗ at first glance that seems like it's a

19:22 ↗ per close to an even match but there's a

19:25 ↗ couple of problems with that one is that

19:28 ↗ you've got a lot of everybody not just

19:31 ↗ issua has a lot of people making more

19:33 ↗ than 80 percent of median who are living

19:35 ↗ in those cheaper

19:38 ↗ less expensive housing right

19:40 ↗ so that shortens the supply further for

19:43 ↗ lower income people and the other

19:47 ↗ thing is that the state's growth

19:51 ↗ management act new county-wide planning

19:53 ↗ policies require every city in King

19:56 ↗ County to plan for the full income

19:59 ↗ spectrum of the county the needs of the

20:01 ↗ whole County and so those are shown on

20:05 ↗ the very bottom row

20:07 ↗ so there we're talking about

20:09 ↗ needing to plan for

20:12 ↗ you're not responsible for building it

20:14 ↗ but you need to be able to support it in

20:16 ↗ your comprehensive plan how the

20:19 ↗ community can support 13 of of your

20:22 ↗ housing stock affordable at 30 percent

20:24 ↗ below 11 at 30 to 50 and so forth

20:29 ↗ so that's a

20:31 ↗ major challenge

20:33 ↗ um

20:35 ↗ we'll come back to the comprehensive

20:36 ↗ that's a good question yeah and you can

20:39 ↗ answer it later if it comes up later but

20:41 ↗ I'm just looking at this chart and what

20:42 ↗ you just said and if we consider

20:44 ↗ inclusionary zoning and we know some

20:46 ↗ kind of percent of growth is would be

20:50 ↗ inclusionary does anybody know if that

20:54 ↗ matches the need

20:56 ↗ yeah okay

20:58 ↗ are you asking if we if we assume that

21:02 ↗ uh

21:03 ↗ development occurs in your uh and

21:07 ↗ fulfills that requirement would that

21:10 ↗ count toward this need yeah or is it

21:14 ↗ enough to meet it yeah if our

21:15 ↗ inclusionary zoning is 10 of stuff in in

21:18 ↗ the regional growth Center and that's so

21:21 ↗ many houses would that get our

21:25 ↗ um up to 30 percent to the 13 it needs

21:29 ↗ to be rather than the four percent that

21:31 ↗ it is today I don't have the numbers in

21:33 ↗ my head but I'm pretty confident that it

21:35 ↗ does not

21:36 ↗ okay

21:40 ↗ it's a good question though and we know

21:42 ↗ there are many cities like Issaquah

21:44 ↗ looking to see how far they can push

21:46 ↗ their inclusionary zoning so that's

21:49 ↗ definitely an important topic to talk

21:51 ↗ about

21:54 ↗ so we want to spend just a little time

21:56 ↗ talking about

21:58 ↗ beyond the numbers who needs affordable

22:00 ↗ housing who is accessing the affordable

22:04 ↗ housing that we have created just to

22:07 ↗ paint a little bit more of a picture we

22:09 ↗ have a couple of profiles that we are

22:12 ↗ sharing here taking out all the personal

22:14 ↗ information but we do operate a home

22:17 ↗ ownership program with more homes in

22:19 ↗ Issaquah than any other City actually

22:22 ↗ and so we get to see a lot of folks

22:24 ↗ coming in

22:26 ↗ who are looking for an affordable place

22:28 ↗ to live so

22:29 ↗ just sharing a couple of these with you

22:31 ↗ um

22:32 ↗ both of these are households that

22:34 ↗ purchased homes in Issaquah one was a

22:37 ↗ family of five they were previously

22:39 ↗ renting in Issaquah in another

22:42 ↗ subsidized affordable housing location

22:45 ↗ both of the wage earners are employees

22:48 ↗ in the medical field in East King County

22:50 ↗ and their combined income was

22:52 ↗ approximately 60 percent of the median

22:55 ↗ income or seventy five thousand

22:58 ↗ they had been searching for a home for

23:00 ↗ quite some time before they heard about

23:02 ↗ Arch and were able to successfully apply

23:06 ↗ what their ability to access this means

23:09 ↗ is that their ongoing expenses which

23:12 ↗ include mortgage payment and HOA dues is

23:17 ↗ 1789 a month so not a whole lot more

23:20 ↗ than what they were paying in rent

23:23 ↗ and they were able to access this

23:25 ↗ because we have this affordable housing

23:27 ↗ program that the city has helped helped

23:29 ↗ us to create

23:31 ↗ another family that was recently able to

23:34 ↗ successfully purchase a home here

23:37 ↗ a family of two with a single parent

23:39 ↗ sharing custody of their six-year-old

23:41 ↗ child this household was a first time

23:43 ↗ home buyer

23:45 ↗ purchasing a new construction home that

23:47 ↗ was developed up in the Issaquah

23:48 ↗ Highlands

23:50 ↗ they were also renting in East King

23:52 ↗ County and paying roughly 1700 a month

23:55 ↗ they work in customer service here in

23:57 ↗ East King County and make about 65

23:59 ↗ percent of Ami

24:02 ↗ their purchase price to be able to

24:04 ↗ afford that home was just under 300 000.

24:08 ↗ um monthly payment of 18.97.

24:14 ↗ we also do kind of take a look oh yeah

24:17 ↗ sure you guys mind

24:19 ↗ if anybody else has a question I don't

24:21 ↗ even see you over here behind me

24:24 ↗ can you tell a little bit more about

24:26 ↗ down payment and how that works in the

24:28 ↗ home buying program

24:29 ↗ yeah there are Statewide programs for

24:35 ↗ that provide down payment assistance we

24:37 ↗ often refer people to these programs one

24:40 ↗ of them is actually funded by Arch so it

24:43 ↗ specifically targets people purchasing

24:45 ↗ in East King County and it basically

24:48 ↗ helps people to achieve that kind of

24:52 ↗ large down payment to be able to get

24:53 ↗ into the home and they don't have to

24:55 ↗ repay that until they go to sell so

24:59 ↗ there's not it doesn't add to their

25:00 ↗ ongoing monthly housing expense

25:04 ↗ one more

25:06 ↗ um how do people find out about this

25:08 ↗ program

25:09 ↗ locally the homeownership program or the

25:12 ↗ down payment assistant the home

25:13 ↗ ownership program we do do some Outreach

25:16 ↗ so uh for example with a large new

25:19 ↗ development that we've been Marketing in

25:21 ↗ Issaquah over the last year

25:23 ↗ we did a lot of Outreach to local

25:26 ↗ community organizations to the school

25:28 ↗ district the Chamber of Commerce to the

25:31 ↗ city city employees

25:33 ↗ we spent a good time a good amount of

25:36 ↗ time getting the word out we also have

25:38 ↗ just a general interest list that people

25:41 ↗ have just come to us on their own

25:43 ↗ I can show you a little bit of data on

25:45 ↗ that in a minute

25:46 ↗ so it's it's something we've been trying

25:49 ↗ to work on expanding our marketing

25:51 ↗ efforts especially when we've got some

25:54 ↗ new construction homes because those are

25:55 ↗ in really high demand it's a really

25:57 ↗ scarce resource

26:00 ↗ but we could probably do more to get the

26:01 ↗ word out we just don't have enough homes

26:03 ↗ available for all the people who are

26:05 ↗ applying

26:07 ↗ yeah

26:07 ↗ I'll just say one more thing about down

26:09 ↗ payment assistance um if it wasn't for

26:12 ↗ the fact that we had affordable homes to

26:14 ↗ buy those down payment assistance

26:16 ↗ programs would not go far enough to be

26:19 ↗ able to help people purchase in in this

26:21 ↗ type of housing market so it's important

26:23 ↗ to kind of pair those things together

26:28 ↗ um so this just shows you a little bit

26:30 ↗ more data about who the homeownership

26:32 ↗ program serves on the whole we ran some

26:35 ↗ numbers through the um through the third

26:37 ↗ quarter of 2022 from 2021 we sold about

26:42 ↗ 113 homes in that time serving 271

26:46 ↗ people the average household income was

26:49 ↗ 75 percent Ami roughly two and a half

26:53 ↗ people per household so we are serving

26:55 ↗ quite a number of families larger

26:58 ↗ families

26:59 ↗ most of the folks accessing this are

27:01 ↗ already living in East King County so

27:03 ↗ almost three out of four of the home

27:06 ↗ buyers that we've served are already

27:08 ↗ living in East King County and this is a

27:10 ↗ way for them to stay

27:12 ↗ we do have senior households and also

27:15 ↗ like I said quite a few households with

27:17 ↗ children

27:18 ↗ there's a long list of occupations but

27:21 ↗ it's it's the workforce in the community

27:23 ↗ that this program serves many of the

27:26 ↗ important jobs that many of your

27:29 ↗ businesses are trying to fill

27:34 ↗ as I mentioned we do maintain a mailing

27:37 ↗ list where we Market New affordable

27:40 ↗ housing opportunities whether they're

27:42 ↗ ones we're selling through our program

27:43 ↗ or their other projects coming online

27:47 ↗ through other City programs

27:50 ↗ and currently there's just over 7 300

27:53 ↗ households on that list

27:57 ↗ it grows every month it's continuing to

27:59 ↗ get bigger and bigger

28:01 ↗ the average household income that we see

28:04 ↗ amongst that group is a little bit lower

28:06 ↗ so around 60 000 a year

28:09 ↗ a number of folks coming from a whole

28:12 ↗ variety of different situations so you

28:14 ↗ could see on the chart here

28:16 ↗ a lot of people are just renting in

28:17 ↗ market rate Apartments looking for

28:19 ↗ something more affordable some people

28:21 ↗ are in

28:23 ↗ living with family doubled up some

28:25 ↗ people are homeless

28:26 ↗ some people are in the arch program

28:29 ↗ already are looking for another option

28:31 ↗ so a whole diverse range of situations

28:37 ↗ one thing we ask people when they sign

28:39 ↗ up for our mailing list is do you have a

28:41 ↗ preferred location for where you would

28:43 ↗ like to find affordable housing and I

28:46 ↗ just thought I'd share here the Issaquah

28:47 ↗ is the number one location that we hear

28:49 ↗ so you're a very desirable place to live

28:52 ↗ there a lot of people who would like to

28:54 ↗ find an affordable place to live here in

28:56 ↗ Issaquah

28:59 ↗ so now we'll talk a little bit about

29:02 ↗ arch for those of you who don't know us

29:06 ↗ well

29:07 ↗ we are an organization that's now 30

29:10 ↗ years old we just celebrated our 30-year

29:12 ↗ anniversary

29:13 ↗ we were established in the early 1990s

29:17 ↗ around a lot of the conversations with

29:19 ↗ the growth management act and starting

29:21 ↗ to plan for housing we were away for

29:24 ↗ cities to come together and think about

29:25 ↗ how to do that collaboratively we do

29:28 ↗ this through a number of different ways

29:30 ↗ and we've been kind of using these

29:32 ↗ strategies since our beginning we do

29:35 ↗ provide basically a shared resource for

29:38 ↗ cities shared staff

29:40 ↗ shared program Administration

29:43 ↗ shared expertise and then we perform a

29:46 ↗ bunch of functions on behalf of cities

29:48 ↗ to help them carry out their programs so

29:51 ↗ we do support planning work when it

29:53 ↗ comes time for you to do your your

29:55 ↗ housing element or your housing action

29:57 ↗ plan

29:58 ↗ we do invest all the city's dollars I'll

30:02 ↗ talk some more about that in a little

30:03 ↗ bit and then we do provide shared

30:06 ↗ administration of programs so that when

30:07 ↗ you decide we want to set up a new

30:10 ↗ program

30:11 ↗ we would help you provide the stat

30:13 ↗ ongoing Staffing for that

30:15 ↗ and then we do have a lot of direct

30:17 ↗ engagement with the community again

30:18 ↗ people seeking affordable housing

30:20 ↗ looking for resources and referrals

30:25 ↗ so the arch Housing Trust Fund is one of

30:28 ↗ the most important things that we can do

30:31 ↗ to help cities create more affordable

30:33 ↗ housing in the region

30:35 ↗ this is a program that pools together

30:37 ↗ funds every year from cities like

30:41 ↗ Issaquah but just about all the cities

30:43 ↗ that are a part of arch you saw on the

30:46 ↗ map there in the previous page there are

30:47 ↗ 15 cities that are part of arch

30:49 ↗ including Bellevue Kirkland Redmond up

30:52 ↗ to Kenmore one bill Bothell

30:56 ↗ um and all of those cities contribute so

30:59 ↗ we pull those funds together on an

31:01 ↗ annual basis we make them available to

31:04 ↗ developers who are trying to build

31:06 ↗ affordable housing and then we work with

31:08 ↗ those developers to attract all the

31:11 ↗ other resources they need to get their

31:12 ↗ projects built you can see here over the

31:15 ↗ life of the program

31:17 ↗ we've raised roughly 90 million dollars

31:20 ↗ from our members those have gone on to

31:24 ↗ leverage quite a bit more I think I've

31:26 ↗ got a slide that'll show that and we've

31:28 ↗ been able to support over 5 300

31:31 ↗ different affordable units as well as

31:33 ↗ some shelter beds

31:36 ↗ one of the important principles of this

31:38 ↗ program is that we want to create

31:40 ↗ affordable housing in every Community

31:42 ↗ across the east side so we try strive

31:44 ↗ really hard to make sure each Community

31:47 ↗ sees investment back for what you put in

31:52 ↗ we also want to make it a really

31:54 ↗ flexible program so unlike many other

31:57 ↗ funding programs that are really

31:59 ↗ targeted at specific kinds of housing or

32:01 ↗ populations we provide flexible funds

32:04 ↗ that's the beauty of those local funds

32:06 ↗ so that we can invest in just about any

32:08 ↗ type of project as long as it's serving

32:11 ↗ an important need

32:13 ↗ these are all vetted by an Advisory

32:15 ↗ board made up of community members from

32:18 ↗ East King County so by the time these

32:21 ↗ come back as recommendations to your

32:23 ↗ city council to approve a lot of thought

32:25 ↗ and care has gone into vetting them

32:29 ↗ so you can see kind of in the slide here

32:30 ↗ we've we've done just about every kind

32:33 ↗ of project you could think of new

32:34 ↗ construction

32:36 ↗ preservation Projects Home Ownership

32:38 ↗ projects senior housing Transit oriented

32:41 ↗ development the whole range

32:46 ↗ um this this illustrates for you what I

32:48 ↗ was talking about we know that our funds

32:51 ↗ are limited so a big part of our

32:53 ↗ strategy is to make sure we're

32:55 ↗ attracting those other resources that I

32:57 ↗ mentioned earlier from the state and

32:59 ↗ from the federal level

33:01 ↗ this shows you just this year very fresh

33:04 ↗ information the projects that are being

33:07 ↗ recommended for funding we're putting in

33:10 ↗ about eight million dollars the total

33:13 ↗ combined cost of those projects is about

33:16 ↗ 479 million so those are all other

33:18 ↗ resources we're bringing in from other

33:20 ↗ programs

33:22 ↗ um historically we've been able to

33:24 ↗ leverage about ten dollars in other

33:26 ↗ funds for every dollar that the city

33:28 ↗ puts in

33:31 ↗ I'm going to hand it over Mike to talk

33:33 ↗ about another important set of programs

33:35 ↗ that arch supports

33:39 ↗ and

33:40 ↗ um my uh close to 12 years now with Arch

33:44 ↗ I've spent a lot of time with this side

33:46 ↗ of the house if you will which are land

33:50 ↗ use based and tax

33:53 ↗ incentive programs to

33:58 ↗ create affordable housing in projects

34:01 ↗ that also provide market rate housing so

34:05 ↗ they're mixed use or mixed income

34:08 ↗ projects

34:09 ↗ and this is to give you uh kind of a

34:12 ↗ brief overview of the variety of those

34:16 ↗ programs as they happen and have they've

34:19 ↗ been adopted

34:20 ↗ in Our member communities you can see

34:22 ↗ that on the land use side some are have

34:27 ↗ mandatory requirements in their codes

34:30 ↗ some rely on voluntary incentives

34:34 ↗ there's a wide variety some variety in

34:37 ↗ the affordability of those housing units

34:41 ↗ in those programs about half of our

34:44 ↗ communities have adopted

34:46 ↗ the multi-fatant leak tax exemption

34:48 ↗ program about half have not but may be

34:52 ↗ considering it

34:56 ↗ and when I say that we administer them I

35:00 ↗ mean that we try to we I think we

35:04 ↗ provide an advantage in that we can

35:06 ↗ standardize the process so somebody

35:09 ↗ comes in the door a developer comes in

35:11 ↗ the door to your permitting Division and

35:15 ↗ the staff tells them that there's

35:17 ↗ affordable housing to be built there

35:20 ↗ go talk to Arch so they'll talk to me or

35:23 ↗ someone else in our office and who will

35:26 ↗ who knows your code and will apply your

35:29 ↗ codes and incentives

35:32 ↗ apply them to a standardized contract

35:36 ↗ Covenant forms carry that side of the

35:39 ↗ process through to get them executed and

35:42 ↗ recorded make sure that the homes are

35:45 ↗ leased up or sold according to the

35:48 ↗ agreements

35:50 ↗ and then we have additional staff that

35:52 ↗ monitor them through the life of the of

35:56 ↗ the contracts

35:57 ↗ we also helped create these programs so

36:01 ↗ um

36:01 ↗ our staff can provide technical support

36:04 ↗ to your staff to you and the council to

36:07 ↗ help

36:10 ↗ derive a program that meets the needs of

36:13 ↗ your communities and your policy

36:15 ↗ priorities

36:21 ↗ so a lot of that important work Mike

36:24 ↗ talks about is how we set the programs

36:27 ↗ up and that's that's where you're going

36:30 ↗ to have a big role in talking about some

36:32 ↗ of that

36:33 ↗ um the other half of that is once once

36:35 ↗ the projects are built and occupied

36:37 ↗ there continues to be a life of the

36:40 ↗ program and so that's that ongoing

36:42 ↗ monitoring work

36:44 ↗ we combine most of the rental housing

36:47 ↗ affordable rental units that are created

36:49 ↗ through all of those incentive programs

36:51 ↗ and all those jurisdictions into what we

36:53 ↗ call Art the arch rental program so that

36:55 ↗ tenants who are seeking affordable

36:57 ↗ housing can find a common place to

37:01 ↗ search and know where all these

37:03 ↗ affordable units are available

37:06 ↗ um we also provide the staff to monitor

37:08 ↗ the projects on an annual basis and make

37:11 ↗ sure that the rents remain affordable

37:13 ↗ that they're serving the populations

37:15 ↗ that the cities intended them to serve

37:17 ↗ it's a these are really important

37:19 ↗ programs important tools because we know

37:22 ↗ well the funding side and the funding

37:25 ↗ strategies are really important we never

37:28 ↗ have sufficient funding to build

37:29 ↗ everything that we need to build so

37:31 ↗ achieving some of that affordability

37:33 ↗ through regulations and through land use

37:36 ↗ incentives is really important

37:41 ↗ um the same this is the same vehicle

37:43 ↗ that has helped us create all the

37:45 ↗ affordable ownership homes in our home

37:47 ↗ ownership program we've got just about

37:51 ↗ getting close to 800 homes in that

37:53 ↗ program now and it's what's called a

37:56 ↗ shared Equity model

37:58 ↗ where there is ongoing restrictions on

38:00 ↗ the purchase price so that we can

38:02 ↗ maintain affordability of the homes but

38:05 ↗ still some shared appreciation so that

38:07 ↗ owners are able to as well build equity

38:10 ↗ this chart was done a few years ago and

38:13 ↗ shows that Arch homeowners have

38:16 ↗ collectively earned about 90 million

38:19 ↗ dollars been able to earn 90 million

38:21 ↗ dollars in appreciation so they're

38:23 ↗ achieving some of those benefits of home

38:24 ↗ ownership

38:26 ↗ this as I mentioned is the breakdown of

38:29 ↗ where all those homes are located

38:31 ↗ it's been really exciting to see homes

38:34 ↗ continue to be added in Issaquah we hope

38:36 ↗ we'll be able to keep doing that

38:44 ↗ we've touched on some of these already

38:46 ↗ but this is meant to list or for you or

38:49 ↗ give you a flavor of some of the other

38:51 ↗ technical

38:53 ↗ assistance that we can

38:56 ↗ provide to augment your staff

38:58 ↗ there's a couple that I'd like to

39:00 ↗ highlight

39:02 ↗ and a big part of it is that because we

39:05 ↗ are a partnership

39:07 ↗ we can draw upon the experience of

39:11 ↗ 15 other communities and uh

39:15 ↗ you know bring to you the experience of

39:18 ↗ what has worked well there and why and

39:20 ↗ what maybe hasn't worked so well

39:23 ↗ so we get those questions a lot from

39:25 ↗ other staff like we've just basically

39:28 ↗ created a new program over the last

39:30 ↗ couple of years in Bothell where they

39:33 ↗ had no incentive program land use

39:36 ↗ incentives or tax exemption

39:39 ↗ and they want to know how you know

39:41 ↗ what's working in Kirkland how how is it

39:43 ↗ working in Bellevue and so forth and so

39:45 ↗ we we can give them a lot of detail

39:48 ↗ knowledge about that

39:50 ↗ um

39:51 ↗ I mentioned that we can help create the

39:54 ↗ program so

39:55 ↗ we have a lot of experience with and

39:59 ↗ detailed data that can help model what

40:04 ↗ affordability you can hope to gain from

40:06 ↗ out of your zoning changes in your

40:09 ↗ zoning code or the tax exemptions and so

40:12 ↗ forth

40:13 ↗ and then on comprehensive planning or

40:16 ↗ strategic planning we have

40:18 ↗ boatloads of data that we can share with

40:21 ↗ you on population household

40:23 ↗ characteristics

40:25 ↗ housing and so forth so we love to do

40:29 ↗ that and and we you know want

40:33 ↗ you to call on us as if we're your staff

40:38 ↗ yes

40:40 ↗ so I talked to one of these two people

40:43 ↗ almost daily

40:46 ↗ um but they he was talking about things

40:48 ↗ that they help us create but they helped

40:50 ↗ us write the density bonus program that

40:52 ↗ we have in place they last time we did

40:54 ↗ our huge comprehensive Plan update they

40:55 ↗ provided that they do

40:57 ↗ um inventories for the city when we do

40:59 ↗ our annual housing report card they

41:02 ↗ provide us with all of the data that is

41:03 ↗ in there that is so the cost burden and

41:07 ↗ sort of they keep we keep on track with

41:08 ↗ number and units and all that kind of

41:10 ↗ stuff so

41:11 ↗ um so and if you guys ever need anything

41:13 ↗ or have questions you can always call me

41:15 ↗ too and I could talk to them either way

41:16 ↗ it works but um yeah that they help us

41:19 ↗ they are essentially our housing

41:20 ↗ planners and

41:23 ↗ I have a question real quickly so if

41:25 ↗ that is the case Kristen because I read

41:27 ↗ that that the Arches become the city's

41:29 ↗ housing planners how does that

41:31 ↗ effectively work because I'm looking at

41:33 ↗ some of the numbers and it looks like is

41:35 ↗ a quad disproportionately right now is

41:37 ↗ taking on a lot of the burden

41:39 ↗ of affordable housing in Keaton County

41:42 ↗ and looking at one of the graphs that

41:45 ↗ you guys presented looks like that's a

41:47 ↗ radical shift that is the goal

41:50 ↗ apparently

41:51 ↗ from 80 percent I believe where we're at

41:54 ↗ now and then trying to build into like

41:55 ↗ 13 under 30

41:58 ↗ what kind of effect is that going to

42:00 ↗ have on the city's character

42:05 ↗ so I mean Lindsay can probably address

42:07 ↗ this as you can probably jump into what

42:09 ↗ they showed you earlier is a draft

42:11 ↗ they haven't decided they have not

42:13 ↗ adopted yet what they want

42:15 ↗ those targets to be but this is right

42:18 ↗ now the preferred route that they would

42:19 ↗ go so we I think it said that we had

42:21 ↗ right now four percent of our housing is

42:24 ↗ zero to thirty percent and the goal

42:26 ↗ would be to be 11 and if you're talking

42:28 ↗ about physical character it doesn't

42:29 ↗ change the physical character because

42:31 ↗ you know one of the things that Arch

42:33 ↗ ensures is that the

42:36 ↗ affordable units are comparable to the

42:39 ↗ market rate units especially if they're

42:40 ↗ in the same building

42:41 ↗ so if a if if a market rate unit is a

42:44 ↗ thousand square feet then the affordable

42:46 ↗ unit can't be really any smaller than I

42:48 ↗ think it's eight or nine hundred square

42:49 ↗ feet and the materials have to be

42:51 ↗ similar so I mean interior it doesn't

42:53 ↗ change either

42:54 ↗ um and the people that it's going to I

42:56 ↗ mean I think uh Mike said that what 37

42:59 ↗ percent of the no 47 37 47 of the people

43:02 ↗ who live here

43:03 ↗ make sixty percent or below I mean they

43:05 ↗ are people these people who need these

43:08 ↗ houses already live here so you know as

43:11 ↗ far as who's living here and what it's

43:12 ↗ going to look like physically I don't

43:14 ↗ think it changes it at all but you may

43:16 ↗ have a different

43:18 ↗ perspective that's well said

43:20 ↗ um and just another thing to note about

43:22 ↗ those percentages it is a draft right

43:26 ↗ now the the concept is still going

43:28 ↗ through discussion but probably most of

43:31 ↗ East King County will have the same

43:33 ↗ goals because how they are looking at

43:35 ↗ allocating it is by the characteristics

43:37 ↗ of the community what the existing

43:40 ↗ housing looks like the ratio of low-wage

43:44 ↗ jobs to the housing Supply and so we're

43:48 ↗ kind of expecting much many of our

43:51 ↗ members are going to be in the same

43:53 ↗ situation as issaquah's having a pretty

43:56 ↗ ambitious goal and needing to come

43:59 ↗ together to figure out how we can move

44:01 ↗ the needle a little bit farther in

44:02 ↗ meeting the goal

44:05 ↗ yeah no I appreciate that Lindsay I

44:07 ↗ guess again I understand it's a draft

44:09 ↗ I'm looking at like some of the numbers

44:11 ↗ you guys showed like where Issaquah is

44:13 ↗ the preferred area it'll be where like

44:15 ↗ 278 I saw the one with the Bellevue the

44:18 ↗ Brio right in the 80 Ami so I get that

44:21 ↗ it's a sliding scale I guess my point is

44:24 ↗ is like I said does that

44:28 ↗ it's a lot of numbers it's a lot to

44:29 ↗ digest so I bear with me a little bit

44:32 ↗ I'm just like I said Thinking Out Loud

44:34 ↗ wondering exactly as housing planners

44:36 ↗ because again I kind of found that odd

44:39 ↗ to be quite honest to see arches our

44:42 ↗ housing planner because I think what

44:43 ↗ they came on board in 2018

44:47 ↗ no we've been working with Arch since

44:48 ↗ 1994. but as far as housing planner no

44:51 ↗ that we've always sort of used them as

44:53 ↗ our housing planners okay that was kind

44:55 ↗ of the point of interesting of joining

44:57 ↗ that group yeah okay fair enough

45:03 ↗ you inspired a question and make it your

45:06 ↗ voice

45:07 ↗ um and this pardon me if this is really

45:10 ↗ a silly question just be nice it's 101.

45:13 ↗ yeah that's great when we're counting

45:15 ↗ housing that is Affordable are we

45:18 ↗ looking at just the actual prices excuse

45:22 ↗ me

45:24 ↗ excuse me or those that are in the

45:25 ↗ affordable housing programs

45:29 ↗ naturally affordable is that percentage

45:32 ↗ is that uh that I showed you in the

45:34 ↗ table earlier those include all actual

45:39 ↗ pricing so whatever it comes from the

45:42 ↗ American Community survey so whatever

45:44 ↗ people reported as their housing costs

45:47 ↗ compared to their

45:50 ↗ yeah

45:51 ↗ compared to what

45:55 ↗ all right good questions

46:00 ↗ well you may know this uh even better

46:03 ↗ than I but uh I think of the land use

46:07 ↗ related uh

46:10 ↗ programs for affordable housing in

46:12 ↗ Issaquah and two big buckets so a lot of

46:16 ↗ it was created through a handful of

46:19 ↗ development agreements

46:21 ↗ and the biggest one of course being

46:23 ↗ issquah Highlands or the grand Glacier

46:25 ↗ development agreement where the policy

46:28 ↗ there was to set aside 30 percent of the

46:32 ↗ units to be affordable at various

46:34 ↗ income levels

46:37 ↗ um you probably are familiar with the

46:39 ↗ rally development agreement which is in

46:42 ↗ the future as well as Lakeside and

46:45 ↗ Silverado but copper leaf and Forest

46:48 ↗ Heights have already been developed so

46:49 ↗ they've also provided a handful of

46:54 ↗ uh affordable units in addition to the

46:57 ↗ land use entitlements that leverage

47:01 ↗ those affordable units the city is also

47:04 ↗ generous relative to other art cities at

47:07 ↗ least with um

47:08 ↗ with waivers or reductions in impact and

47:12 ↗ mitigation fees various permit fees and

47:15 ↗ utility connections and so forth those

47:18 ↗ fee waivers and exemptions also carry

47:21 ↗ over to the

47:24 ↗ part of the code that deals with the

47:26 ↗ central Issaquah district and where

47:30 ↗ there where there is inclusion mandatory

47:33 ↗ inclusionary as you know there are three

47:36 ↗ flavors of that in uh whoops

47:39 ↗ depending on the location in there

47:43 ↗ so far we have one Covenant that one

47:48 ↗ project that has been written there but

47:49 ↗ I believe there's at least there are a

47:51 ↗ couple in the pipeline

47:56 ↗ these are just a little bit more detail

47:58 ↗ of those that I spoke of many of those

48:01 ↗ homes in Issaquah Highlands or home

48:04 ↗ ownership

48:05 ↗ um that's where most of that 280

48:07 ↗ homeowner

48:09 ↗ comes from we'll talk about Westridge in

48:12 ↗ again in a little bit on the rental side

48:15 ↗ again 84 of those were in Issaquah

48:19 ↗ Highlands

48:21 ↗ um

48:21 ↗ the Leo houses uh the Leo House 3

48:25 ↗ Julia Print House Monty house which were

48:27 ↗ both done by compassion house

48:30 ↗ not owned by Acres of diamonds those

48:33 ↗ were done by you know creative deals

48:35 ↗ where the city had some

48:37 ↗ owned a house or owned you know a lot or

48:41 ↗ something and helped pay you know by

48:43 ↗ saving them other costs on fees and so

48:45 ↗ forth and so they were able to engineer

48:48 ↗ some housing for development

48:51 ↗ developmentally disabled people or

48:55 ↗ transitional housing and things like

48:57 ↗ that so this the city has been

49:00 ↗ really creative and use a variety of of

49:03 ↗ tools

49:09 ↗ yeah and so I mentioned the trust fund

49:12 ↗ program earlier just wanted to give a

49:14 ↗ little bit more detail about how

49:16 ↗ Issaquah has participated in that

49:18 ↗ program

49:19 ↗ this chart shows you kind of the last 10

49:22 ↗ years of data of ongoing contributions

49:25 ↗ that the city has provided through the

49:28 ↗ city budget

49:29 ↗ again we pull these together with all

49:32 ↗ our other cities contributions

49:35 ↗ um roughly 1.2 million dollars have come

49:38 ↗ in from Issaquah since 2012. and those

49:41 ↗ have gone on to support all those

49:44 ↗ thousands of units that we support

49:45 ↗ across the east side but importantly we

49:49 ↗ also do see some investment come back

49:51 ↗ into Issaquah we've got nine completed

49:54 ↗ projects that have been built here in

49:56 ↗ the city that have 318 affordable units

49:59 ↗ in them

50:00 ↗ show you one of those in a minute and we

50:03 ↗ also have funds reserved for the

50:06 ↗ trailhead Transit oriented development

50:07 ↗ project so that when that gets under

50:09 ↗ development finally we will be really

50:12 ↗ excited to release those funds and

50:14 ↗ invest that in that project

50:19 ↗ um so we'll talk to you just about a few

50:21 ↗ examples kind of from each of those

50:23 ↗ programs and what those have looked like

50:24 ↗ here in Issaquah

50:28 ↗ I mentioned Veil this is the apartment

50:31 ↗ property in central issquad that has

50:34 ↗ used the

50:36 ↗ um

50:37 ↗ the density bonus program there and

50:40 ↗ there was a sliding scale involved that

50:43 ↗ allowed them to build few or set aside

50:46 ↗ fewer affordable units but make the

50:49 ↗ affordability level deeper so affordable

50:51 ↗ to um

50:53 ↗ lower income folks and that had uh 10

50:57 ↗ years that was finished a couple of

50:59 ↗ years ago and we're looking forward to

51:01 ↗ having more of those and then Westridge

51:04 ↗ on the plateau was um

51:09 ↗ a big development agreement that was

51:12 ↗ done I think right before Lindsay so

51:15 ↗ probably about five years ago

51:17 ↗ and uh

51:19 ↗ the council at that time

51:23 ↗ had

51:24 ↗ and the genius to to

51:28 ↗ wrestle uh 49 units including a Leo

51:32 ↗ house and 10 Town Homes at 60 percent a

51:35 ↗ median which and another

51:39 ↗ 38

51:41 ↗ Flats in about the building that's

51:44 ↗ pictured here and we are just on the

51:46 ↗ verge of selling the the last of these

51:49 ↗ units which has been a couple of years

51:52 ↗ effort by our home ownership group it's

51:55 ↗ a it's a really big deal

52:02 ↗ um the 50 years minimum I'm just going

52:04 ↗ off memory here the I thought they were

52:07 ↗ going to be a Perpetual uh is there a

52:09 ↗ renewal of that is that what makes that

52:12 ↗ um life

52:14 ↗ um on the on the home ownership side we

52:16 ↗ do sort of provide a term for that so

52:19 ↗ that it doesn't affect their financing

52:22 ↗ but when the homes resell we record a

52:25 ↗ New Covenant so that the 50 years is

52:27 ↗ refreshed

52:28 ↗ and that it keeps going on and on that

52:30 ↗ way

52:34 ↗ the last project we'll talk about is a

52:37 ↗ really wonderful project that you've all

52:39 ↗ probably seen also up in the highlands

52:41 ↗ this was developed by the YWCA

52:44 ↗ some years ago on city property the city

52:49 ↗ donated the land to help that project

52:51 ↗ become feasible we also made an

52:54 ↗ investment from the trust fund the

52:56 ↗ project was developed in two phases

52:59 ↗ and contains 144 units all affordable at

53:04 ↗ different levels it's also got some

53:06 ↗ units that are specifically reserved for

53:08 ↗ families coming out of homelessness it's

53:11 ↗ got a lot of great community space in it

53:13 ↗ that makes for really wonderful place

53:16 ↗ making it's got great access to the

53:18 ↗ transit center through the pedestrian

53:21 ↗ bridge

53:22 ↗ and it's got a child care facility that

53:25 ↗ supports probably some of the many

53:27 ↗ children that live in that development

53:29 ↗ so this was a big effort I know a lot of

53:34 ↗ this predates my time with Arch oops but

53:38 ↗ I think it's something the city

53:40 ↗ continues to be able to be proud about

53:42 ↗ as as a project that it completed

53:45 ↗ so I think

53:47 ↗ our last slide is just wanting to

53:50 ↗ highlight some of the things that we are

53:52 ↗ talking about with a lot of our members

53:54 ↗ but including Issaquah as ways we can

53:57 ↗ keep building on the successes and the

53:59 ↗ strategies that we've put in place over

54:00 ↗ the years

54:01 ↗ our funding program and our funding

54:04 ↗ strategy is probably the most productive

54:07 ↗ strategy that we've had over the years

54:09 ↗ in terms of the number of affordable

54:11 ↗ units the depth of affordability that

54:13 ↗ we're creating

54:14 ↗ we want that to be a sustainable effort

54:17 ↗ and so we've been facilitating

54:19 ↗ conversations about how cities can be

54:22 ↗ given Authority by the state to adopt

54:24 ↗ dedicated funding sources we know each

54:27 ↗ year it's a struggle to balance your

54:29 ↗ general fund budget and so trying to

54:31 ↗ grow that resource is a challenge

54:33 ↗ without more options from the state

54:36 ↗ we also know that public property and

54:39 ↗ surplus property is one of the most

54:42 ↗ important ways that we can create

54:44 ↗ housing in your community we've got many

54:47 ↗ cities now who are starting to look at

54:49 ↗ the property they own but also the

54:51 ↗ property owned by other public agencies

54:54 ↗ whether it's King County Metro or

54:57 ↗ whether it's Sound Transit

54:59 ↗ um and so that's an important strategy

55:01 ↗ to look at

55:02 ↗ obviously the comprehensive Plan update

55:05 ↗ is going to be a really big effort lots

55:09 ↗ of work and discussion will go into that

55:12 ↗ you know it's a Once in a decade roughly

55:15 ↗ opportunity to take a look and open up

55:18 ↗ all your policies in your land use so

55:20 ↗ that's going to be really important

55:22 ↗ and you have this great opportunity with

55:25 ↗ the grant funding from the state to

55:28 ↗ develop a more actionable housing action

55:30 ↗ plan and really get some things going

55:32 ↗ sooner so those are all things we're

55:35 ↗ excited to keep talking you about and

55:36 ↗ would be happy to open it up for any

55:39 ↗ other questions

55:41 ↗ great thank you Lindsay thank you Mike I

55:44 ↗ want to open it up for some general or

55:45 ↗ basic questions from the Commissioners

55:47 ↗ we'll start with commissioner Longoria

55:51 ↗ I believe she has one

55:54 ↗ hi thank you hi Lindsay um

55:58 ↗ my question for you guys is is your Ami

56:01 ↗ chart that you guys showed is that for

56:03 ↗ King County

56:05 ↗ Ami love income limits or is that

56:07 ↗ specifically for East Side Amis because

56:10 ↗ that you noted I believe in your in your

56:13 ↗ presentation that there is a difference

56:15 ↗ correct that our our income that our

56:19 ↗ Amis are a little bit different on the

56:21 ↗ east side because of the high housing

56:23 ↗ costs

56:26 ↗ um yeah so to answer your question the

56:27 ↗ chart is that Regional median income for

56:31 ↗ the King County in Snohomish County

56:33 ↗ region and we do use that for our

56:36 ↗ programs because we're so often blending

56:39 ↗ state federal and local programs

56:42 ↗ together so it's a common Benchmark that

56:44 ↗ that most programs choose to go by

56:48 ↗ okay thank you

56:53 ↗ are you finding that and I'm not sure if

56:56 ↗ there's actually like data on it but I

56:59 ↗ find that the people who are taking up

57:01 ↗ these units are from Issaquah or from

57:04 ↗ the surrounded cities

57:09 ↗ um it's both

57:11 ↗ um for the program that we operate and

57:14 ↗ actually select home buyers so the home

57:16 ↗ ownership program we do have some policy

57:20 ↗ preferences for people who live or work

57:22 ↗ in the city that the home is located in

57:25 ↗ we do that to try to support that goal

57:28 ↗ of having your Workforce be able to live

57:31 ↗ locally and also to be able to help

57:33 ↗ people not be displaced from the

57:35 ↗ community that they're in so that's one

57:38 ↗ way we try to affect that but we aren't

57:40 ↗ necessarily tracking all the rental

57:43 ↗ units and where people are coming from

57:45 ↗ in accessing those but if you look at

57:48 ↗ our home ownership program as a proxy

57:51 ↗ they're they're mostly folks coming from

57:53 ↗ East King County

58:01 ↗ uh can you talk a little bit about a

58:03 ↗ kind of a building of equity and then

58:05 ↗ kind of the resell of an arch home does

58:07 ↗ it re-enter like an arch inventory of

58:09 ↗ affordable housing or does it just it's

58:12 ↗ sold off at whatever the market price is

58:14 ↗ and it's gone how's that kind of work

58:16 ↗ from that respect

58:17 ↗ yeah um

58:19 ↗ I think many years ago we had a little

58:22 ↗ bit of a combination of both some homes

58:24 ↗ that were

58:26 ↗ just below Market that there were no

58:28 ↗ ongoing resale restrictions and I think

58:31 ↗ over time we've learned as well as other

58:34 ↗ organizations that run similar programs

58:36 ↗ like Habitat for Humanity that it's

58:38 ↗ really important to preserve the

58:40 ↗ affordability that that makes sense long

58:44 ↗ term so now everything we're creating

58:46 ↗ new comes with an ongoing resale

58:50 ↗ restriction

58:51 ↗ and we try to renew that every time the

58:53 ↗ home resells

58:56 ↗ a little more specific would be that uh

58:59 ↗ when a homeowner wants to sell their

59:01 ↗ home then they come to us and we will

59:04 ↗ tell them what the maximum price will be

59:06 ↗ based on a formula it's in their resale

59:08 ↗ Covenant and that's typically it's meant

59:12 ↗ to be below Market depending on what the

59:15 ↗ market is doing and what affordability

59:17 ↗ level it's set at it may be close to or

59:21 ↗ even a little bit above Market but

59:22 ↗ anyway when the cut when covenants

59:25 ↗ finally expire there's a provision there

59:28 ↗ and I don't know how often this has

59:29 ↗ happened

59:31 ↗ um since most of them are 50-year

59:33 ↗ Covenants

59:34 ↗ but there's a provision to uh that the

59:37 ↗ city would recapture the difference

59:39 ↗ between the affordable price and the

59:43 ↗ market price because because if I'm if

59:45 ↗ I'm the owner and I want to sell it I

59:47 ↗ don't have the market I don't have the

59:49 ↗ price restriction anymore but I'm only

59:51 ↗ entitled to get back what the affordable

59:54 ↗ price is and the uh the uh income beyond

1:00:00 ↗ that goes to the city

1:00:07 ↗ any other questions

1:00:11 ↗ I wondered if you um

1:00:14 ↗ a little too softball but if you have

1:00:17 ↗ any opinions or advice that you could

1:00:18 ↗ give us for preserving naturally

1:00:20 ↗ occurring affordable housing either on

1:00:23 ↗ the side of

1:00:25 ↗ um what kinds of policies help to

1:00:29 ↗ preserve or what kind of policies really

1:00:32 ↗ erode your naturally occurring

1:00:35 ↗ affordability

1:00:40 ↗ well we're really fortunate to have the

1:00:43 ↗ King County Housing Authority who has

1:00:45 ↗ been very active in buying

1:00:49 ↗ naturally occurring properties as well

1:00:52 ↗ as properties with expiring tax credits

1:00:55 ↗ and so they by acquiring them then they

1:00:59 ↗ can keep all those units affordable

1:01:02 ↗ forever

1:01:05 ↗ on the land view side there is a

1:01:10 ↗ there's an idea out there that I don't

1:01:12 ↗ know if it's been tried but I would love

1:01:14 ↗ to see it tried which would be to kind

1:01:17 ↗ of a Twist on the transfer development

1:01:20 ↗ rights which would

1:01:23 ↗ offer

1:01:25 ↗ um

1:01:26 ↗ development credits or money to the

1:01:30 ↗ owner of such a property in exchange for

1:01:33 ↗ not redeveloping

1:01:34 ↗ their property and those that those

1:01:39 ↗ development rights would then go to

1:01:41 ↗ whoever bought the credits

1:01:45 ↗ um we've Kenmore has put something like

1:01:48 ↗ that in place for their manufactured

1:01:50 ↗ housing communities but but I haven't

1:01:53 ↗ seen it

1:01:54 ↗ used white in a widespread Manner and

1:01:56 ↗ some other things

1:01:59 ↗ yeah just just to expand a bit um the

1:02:02 ↗ the Housing Authority has probably been

1:02:04 ↗ the most successful uh

1:02:06 ↗ partner that we've had that's been able

1:02:08 ↗ to be nimble try to get ahead of when

1:02:11 ↗ properties are going to be sold but

1:02:13 ↗ there are a host of other organizations

1:02:15 ↗ too that are looking to acquire and

1:02:18 ↗ develop housing that's affordable I know

1:02:21 ↗ that there was some really detailed

1:02:23 ↗ granular work done in Issaquah to

1:02:25 ↗ identify a lot of the buildings that

1:02:29 ↗ might be in that in that category of at

1:02:32 ↗ risk of converting in the future or

1:02:34 ↗ being redeveloped

1:02:36 ↗ and so we've got some really good data

1:02:38 ↗ to start with and it's building the

1:02:40 ↗ Partnerships so that you've got

1:02:42 ↗ relationships with the property owners

1:02:45 ↗ and they know that the city has this

1:02:47 ↗ interest so that they'll they'll think

1:02:49 ↗ about that as an option when they they

1:02:51 ↗ might go to sell or redevelop

1:02:53 ↗ you know that was part of our that's

1:02:55 ↗ part of our housing action strategies

1:02:57 ↗ housing I get it backwards housing

1:02:59 ↗ strategy action plan

1:03:01 ↗ um it was it was part of that and we did

1:03:03 ↗ in 2020 2020 or 2021 we created an

1:03:06 ↗ inventory I just haven't been able to

1:03:08 ↗ get the steam

1:03:09 ↗ to get that going we've talked with

1:03:10 ↗ we've talked with King County about it

1:03:13 ↗ but our King County Housing Authority

1:03:14 ↗ yeah but hopefully it'll get going soon

1:03:19 ↗ um I'll just add one more thing on that

1:03:20 ↗ too Ed and one of the ways the Housing

1:03:23 ↗ Authority has been successful is in

1:03:26 ↗ obtaining really low-cost financing from

1:03:29 ↗ for example Microsoft but the major

1:03:32 ↗ Employers in the region and so that's

1:03:34 ↗ another possible way that the city can

1:03:37 ↗ look to engage with partners and you

1:03:41 ↗ have you have some really large

1:03:42 ↗ employers here in the city who probably

1:03:44 ↗ share that interest in you and wanting

1:03:46 ↗ to have more housing that their

1:03:47 ↗ Workforce can afford so it's just

1:03:50 ↗ further conversation that could be

1:03:51 ↗ helpful

1:03:55 ↗ well great thank you Lindsay thank you

1:03:57 ↗ Mike fantastic presentation as you

1:03:59 ↗ mentioned we could probably talk about

1:04:00 ↗ this all day uh

1:04:03 ↗ but looking forward to the future

1:04:04 ↗ conversations the forthcoming

1:04:06 ↗ conversations housing archousing 201

1:04:10 ↗ so thank you both thank you so much

1:04:13 ↗ and uh the next item on our agenda is

1:04:16 ↗ the title 18 update setting the stage

1:04:19 ↗ we're going to have a discussion uh

1:04:22 ↗ basically a bird's eye view of what

1:04:24 ↗ January is going to look like we're

1:04:26 ↗ going to have I believe January 12th

1:04:29 ↗ is going to be for the most part an

1:04:32 ↗ introductory meeting where we're going

1:04:33 ↗ to go action over the actual draft and

1:04:37 ↗ then we're going to have three

1:04:38 ↗ successive public hearings

1:04:40 ↗ and these will all be

1:04:42 ↗ in four weeks in as many weeks so

1:04:47 ↗ we're gonna have a busy January in

1:04:48 ↗ February

1:04:51 ↗ so Stephen please help with your

1:04:52 ↗ presentation

1:04:55 ↗ thank you chair voice good evening

1:04:57 ↗ Commissioners

1:04:58 ↗ um like trevoy said the the intention of

1:05:01 ↗ this presentation tonight is really to

1:05:03 ↗ briefly run through the materials to get

1:05:04 ↗ you prepared as you review all the

1:05:07 ↗ materials because it is a lot as you

1:05:09 ↗ have seen and you haven't even got

1:05:11 ↗ received the final Consolidated draft

1:05:14 ↗ yet

1:05:15 ↗ most of the materials that you received

1:05:17 ↗ are really focusing on what went into

1:05:21 ↗ the development of this final draft

1:05:24 ↗ what kind of conversations we had with

1:05:26 ↗ this commission as well as with uh

1:05:28 ↗ County

1:05:31 ↗ city council to look at the policy

1:05:34 ↗ discussions and get direction on how to

1:05:35 ↗ make changes to lead to this final draft

1:05:39 ↗ a lot of as you've probably seen from

1:05:42 ↗ the materials a lot of effort went into

1:05:44 ↗ this project it started about two years

1:05:47 ↗ ago and it is continued to today with

1:05:51 ↗ multiple meetings with this commission

1:05:53 ↗ multiple meetings with other boards of

1:05:54 ↗ commissions and meetings with the

1:05:56 ↗ community as well as with the city

1:05:57 ↗ council to tackle multiple different

1:05:59 ↗ topics at different angles with

1:06:02 ↗ different perspectives and to get us to

1:06:05 ↗ almost a final product

1:06:08 ↗ that we are proud to eventually present

1:06:12 ↗ to you later this month

1:06:15 ↗ so in the list of materials that you

1:06:17 ↗ received in tonight's packet it includes

1:06:20 ↗ a list of changes for the first

1:06:22 ↗ attachment that lists all the changes

1:06:24 ↗ that went into the final Consolidated

1:06:26 ↗ draft after the first draft that was

1:06:29 ↗ released earlier this year for each of

1:06:31 ↗ the different sections of the code it

1:06:33 ↗ also includes a public comment table

1:06:35 ↗ that looks at all the public comment we

1:06:37 ↗ received throughout the development of

1:06:39 ↗ these policies and the development of

1:06:40 ↗ the drafts through the development of

1:06:43 ↗ this final draft and then we also

1:06:45 ↗ include a memo that summarizes the

1:06:47 ↗ process we did for code testing working

1:06:50 ↗ with some community members as well as

1:06:53 ↗ staff to look at example projects to

1:06:56 ↗ test the new code draft code

1:06:58 ↗ to see what kind of impacts or

1:07:01 ↗ improvements might need to be made for

1:07:03 ↗ this final draft and then finally we

1:07:05 ↗ also included the table comment contents

1:07:08 ↗ to give you kind of a a context of what

1:07:11 ↗ this thing looks like because it's it's

1:07:13 ↗ been assembled in a different structure

1:07:15 ↗ than what the commission has actually

1:07:16 ↗ seen before before you saw six different

1:07:19 ↗ buckets based on topic and it's all been

1:07:22 ↗ kind of assembled together based on how

1:07:24 ↗ it's going to be inserted into the

1:07:25 ↗ municipal code and so we just wanted to

1:07:27 ↗ make sure that's clear it's it's going

1:07:29 ↗ to be you'll see chapters that are

1:07:31 ↗ together that weren't previously

1:07:33 ↗ together but make sense in the grand

1:07:35 ↗ scheme of how our how we work with our

1:07:37 ↗ code and in terms of how the review

1:07:39 ↗ process works for permitting as well as

1:07:41 ↗ how staff will be using the code so that

1:07:44 ↗ it's organized in a fashion that's

1:07:45 ↗ easier to reference and work through

1:07:48 ↗ what you don't have yet

1:07:50 ↗ um kind of see on the slide is the

1:07:52 ↗ coming student items which includes the

1:07:54 ↗ final draft pitch which we're aiming for

1:07:55 ↗ later this month to release to you and

1:07:57 ↗ we'll let you know once that's ready as

1:07:59 ↗ well as the printed copies for you to to

1:08:01 ↗ pick up from the permit Center

1:08:03 ↗ we'll also be including in the future

1:08:05 ↗ meetings a a

1:08:07 ↗ public hearing feedback table which will

1:08:09 ↗ basically a consolidation all the

1:08:11 ↗ feedback we're going to receive during

1:08:12 ↗ the public hearing process just so you

1:08:14 ↗ can see the comments we receive and how

1:08:16 ↗ staff is going to be responding to that

1:08:18 ↗ as the public hearing process proceeds

1:08:20 ↗ we'll also be get adding a new material

1:08:23 ↗ including the ppc's recommendations that

1:08:25 ↗ you'll finalize at your last public

1:08:27 ↗ hearing on February 2nd and so what

1:08:30 ↗ we'll do is as we work through the

1:08:32 ↗ meetings in January staff will assemble

1:08:34 ↗ this list of recommendations that you'll

1:08:37 ↗ see for the final meeting discuss for

1:08:39 ↗ either final edits or for moving through

1:08:41 ↗ pushing approving to send to the city

1:08:44 ↗ council for their consideration

1:08:46 ↗ and then finally there's one new item

1:08:48 ↗ that we'll be adding to the materials in

1:08:51 ↗ January and this came at the request

1:08:52 ↗ earlier this week when we met with the

1:08:54 ↗ city council committee who requested

1:08:56 ↗ that we include a matrix on that goals

1:08:58 ↗ and outcomes chart to show how we are

1:09:01 ↗ achieving the goals that were set for

1:09:03 ↗ this project as we're improving the code

1:09:08 ↗ so in your packet we include several

1:09:10 ↗ policy questions and and a lot of these

1:09:12 ↗ questions are either

1:09:14 ↗ um

1:09:15 ↗ policy questions that were developed

1:09:17 ↗ through previous discussions we had the

1:09:19 ↗ commission or through the consolidation

1:09:22 ↗ process we found uh gaps in policies

1:09:25 ↗ that we we think we need to visit with

1:09:27 ↗ the commission before finally finalizing

1:09:30 ↗ uh the draft code

1:09:32 ↗ um

1:09:33 ↗ for next steps it really is the public

1:09:36 ↗ hearings in January and February 2nd to

1:09:39 ↗ finalize and then following those public

1:09:42 ↗ hearings we'll be going to the city

1:09:44 ↗ council committee to review the

1:09:46 ↗ Consolidated draft bring the

1:09:49 ↗ commission's recommendations on the

1:09:51 ↗ Consolidated draft and continue that

1:09:52 ↗ through the adoption process and

1:09:55 ↗ legislative process with this full City

1:09:56 ↗ Council

1:09:58 ↗ so for tonight

1:10:00 ↗ I just want to open the floor for if

1:10:02 ↗ there's any potential questions on

1:10:03 ↗ either the policy or the process kind of

1:10:05 ↗ moving forward from tonight because

1:10:06 ↗ there's there's a lot of materials we

1:10:08 ↗ want to make sure that's clear what you

1:10:10 ↗ have today and what you'll be receiving

1:10:12 ↗ and make sure it's clear how that kind

1:10:15 ↗ of fits into all the meetings that

1:10:17 ↗ you'll be preparing for in January

1:10:22 ↗ commissioners

1:10:27 ↗ all right continue

1:10:31 ↗ that's pretty much it

1:10:33 ↗ we wanted to make sure that because

1:10:35 ↗ there's so much materials we want to

1:10:37 ↗ reserve a lot of time for you to provide

1:10:38 ↗ any questions

1:10:40 ↗ we also want to re-offer that staff

1:10:44 ↗ would love to meet with any of you to go

1:10:46 ↗ over any of the materials whether it's

1:10:48 ↗ the materials I have now or the

1:10:49 ↗ Consolidated draft if there's sections

1:10:51 ↗ of the final draft of

1:10:54 ↗ that you're reviewing and it seems a

1:10:56 ↗ little confusing or something doesn't

1:10:57 ↗ match up we'd be happy to meet with you

1:10:59 ↗ and talk through things further as we go

1:11:02 ↗ into the meetings in January

1:11:04 ↗ right I imagine there'll be a lot more

1:11:05 ↗ once we see the actual the draft but um

1:11:08 ↗ yes commissioner Milligan uh thank you

1:11:12 ↗ so the um

1:11:15 ↗ sections that are in our packet this

1:11:18 ↗ packet today's packet about

1:11:20 ↗ um

1:11:22 ↗ comprehensive plan updates and the fair

1:11:24 ↗ and deviations

1:11:28 ↗ that's in this tonight's packet win are

1:11:31 ↗ those to be discussed and recommended

1:11:33 ↗ we'll be discussing those at the January

1:11:35 ↗ 12th meeting so starting to dive into

1:11:37 ↗ each of those policy questions and and

1:11:40 ↗ answering the questions but also getting

1:11:42 ↗ feedback from the commission on what

1:11:43 ↗ direction we might be wanting to go with

1:11:45 ↗ each of those policy questions and then

1:11:48 ↗ um a lot of that will carry forward into

1:11:50 ↗ the public hearing process as we go in

1:11:52 ↗ through what the final changes were into

1:11:54 ↗ the final draft or going to the final

1:11:56 ↗ draft

1:11:58 ↗ and and moving forward as we continue

1:12:01 ↗ the conversations with the council

1:12:02 ↗ committee

1:12:09 ↗ the draft is going to be ready for us to

1:12:11 ↗ pick up

1:12:12 ↗ we are aiming for the week of uh

1:12:17 ↗ December 22nd I believe is that week

1:12:22 ↗ we're aiming Before Christmas is is uh

1:12:25 ↗ the best I can give you right now and

1:12:27 ↗ and most of that is we want to make sure

1:12:28 ↗ this is perfect before we send it out so

1:12:30 ↗ we don't want to commit to a a fixed

1:12:32 ↗ date

1:12:33 ↗ if it's not ready to go

1:12:36 ↗ I I appreciate that and I do want you to

1:12:38 ↗ also take the time that you need to get

1:12:40 ↗ it to a point where it's easier work for

1:12:43 ↗ us and but I was hoping to use this

1:12:45 ↗ December break for readings right

1:12:47 ↗ there's a little bit of a balance so it

1:12:48 ↗ would have been nice there is and and

1:12:51 ↗ um like I was saying before those the

1:12:53 ↗ January 12th meeting is really to focus

1:12:55 ↗ on the policy discussions and we include

1:12:57 ↗ in the memorandum

1:12:59 ↗ um all the

1:13:00 ↗ all the uh excerpts from the draft code

1:13:03 ↗ that we have now based on those policy

1:13:06 ↗ discussions but if you needed more

1:13:07 ↗ information we'd be happy to share that

1:13:08 ↗ with you with the discussion on January

1:13:12 ↗ 19th that's when we're starting to dive

1:13:13 ↗ a little bit more into the full

1:13:16 ↗ Consolidated draft but we're hoping to

1:13:17 ↗ kind of split it up a little bit in

1:13:19 ↗ halves between the the first two public

1:13:21 ↗ hearings so that it's a little more

1:13:23 ↗ digestible

1:13:28 ↗ no I think we really appreciate it I

1:13:29 ↗ know behind the scenes Steven had

1:13:31 ↗ mentioned that the City attorney needed

1:13:33 ↗ more time with it to nine is point you

1:13:35 ↗ know the idea is to give us a a very

1:13:38 ↗ workable document Stephen what's what's

1:13:40 ↗ one thing you're hoping from us as far

1:13:42 ↗ as January 12th how do you see the

1:13:43 ↗ meeting going because I kind of see it

1:13:45 ↗ as half presentation half Community

1:13:47 ↗ commissioner questions

1:13:49 ↗ we'll also do

1:13:51 ↗ deliberations on those policy questions

1:13:54 ↗ too so that we can get feedback building

1:13:56 ↗ into what should be going into the

1:13:57 ↗ public hearings right and then also by

1:14:00 ↗ that time we will have the draft

1:14:01 ↗ hopefully we will have at least give it

1:14:03 ↗ a cursory reading and then like you were

1:14:06 ↗ saying on the 19th is when we'll start

1:14:09 ↗ really getting into some of the more

1:14:10 ↗ policy into the weeds after that

1:14:13 ↗ particular public meeting so the public

1:14:15 ↗ also has an opportunity to comment on

1:14:17 ↗ what we're looking at

1:14:19 ↗ and taking it further further and then

1:14:21 ↗ the second is when we're hoping to

1:14:23 ↗ deliberate and give recommendations

1:14:24 ↗ correct

1:14:26 ↗ one thing I would say is is if you're

1:14:29 ↗ trying to Prior prioritize your time as

1:14:31 ↗ you're preparing for the January

1:14:32 ↗ meetings you know start with the

1:14:33 ↗ memorandum just like any of our other

1:14:34 ↗ meetings and then work through the rest

1:14:36 ↗ of the attachments that we have because

1:14:38 ↗ that second attachment or the first

1:14:40 ↗ attachment that we included which the

1:14:42 ↗ has the list of all the final edits that

1:14:44 ↗ went into this final draft it lists

1:14:47 ↗ everything so we'll update that as we go

1:14:51 ↗ through the policy discussions with you

1:14:53 ↗ going into the public hearings but if

1:14:55 ↗ you're trying to see where certain

1:14:57 ↗ things went or what direction certain

1:14:59 ↗ topics went you'll find those answers in

1:15:02 ↗ that attachment and then you can find

1:15:04 ↗ the follow-ups that we have with the

1:15:06 ↗ public comment Matrix all of those

1:15:09 ↗ include staff responses in terms of how

1:15:11 ↗ I how we respond either with the first

1:15:13 ↗ draft or what the follow-up was going

1:15:15 ↗ into the final draft no that's super

1:15:17 ↗ helpful I don't know about the rest of

1:15:18 ↗ the Commissioners but for me you know I

1:15:20 ↗ compartmentalize I divide and conquer I

1:15:23 ↗ don't try to look at the whole thing as

1:15:24 ↗ a whole so kind of knowing that knowing

1:15:27 ↗ what you're hoping to expect that's very

1:15:29 ↗ helpful

1:15:30 ↗ great and then like I said we'd be happy

1:15:33 ↗ to meet with you one-on-one small groups

1:15:37 ↗ you know we it would be happy to split

1:15:40 ↗ it up however however we can um meaning

1:15:42 ↗ am I missing anything in terms of the

1:15:45 ↗ preparation

1:15:50 ↗ today is to really

1:15:51 ↗ get your feedback on what will be

1:15:54 ↗ helpful for you all so if you you know

1:15:57 ↗ we we heard Loudoun clear you want a

1:16:00 ↗ paper copy we're working on a binder

1:16:02 ↗ with tabs so you can go back and forth

1:16:04 ↗ easily so we'll get that to all of you

1:16:07 ↗ but the policy questions we've tried to

1:16:09 ↗ tease those out based on the

1:16:11 ↗ conversations you all had the public

1:16:13 ↗ comments we received in the first round

1:16:15 ↗ and you all told us go research you know

1:16:19 ↗ varying buffers for steep slopes for

1:16:21 ↗ instance

1:16:22 ↗ so we did some more additional work

1:16:24 ↗ we've laid out some more options for you

1:16:26 ↗ we we've you know to put it in

1:16:28 ↗ perspective uh in your packet we've put

1:16:31 ↗ all those meetings especially for the

1:16:33 ↗ new members in one place so you know

1:16:35 ↗ when we were talking about natural

1:16:36 ↗ environment back a year and a half ago

1:16:39 ↗ we asked you some bigger policy

1:16:41 ↗ questions do you want this you know we

1:16:42 ↗ had a survey I mean we got a lot of

1:16:45 ↗ feedback from all of you already on

1:16:48 ↗ those topics so

1:16:49 ↗ these six questions don't talk about the

1:16:53 ↗ you know that was a lengthy very

1:16:55 ↗ detailed conversations we've had with

1:16:57 ↗ all of you it's a little bit of a

1:16:59 ↗ disadvantage for the new members to come

1:17:00 ↗ in so we're happy to have one-on-ones

1:17:03 ↗ with you to walk you through you know

1:17:05 ↗ how where we've reached at what point

1:17:07 ↗ we're at now

1:17:09 ↗ but if you you know the folks that did

1:17:12 ↗ uh participate in the earlier meetings

1:17:14 ↗ have a question that is you know is

1:17:17 ↗ lingering on like what what happened to

1:17:19 ↗ this piece or whatever we can include

1:17:21 ↗ that in a presentation in January so if

1:17:24 ↗ there's one thing about super thresholds

1:17:26 ↗ you know you really want to know where

1:17:28 ↗ we've landed and how and we want to

1:17:30 ↗ bring that slide back up for the pros

1:17:32 ↗ and cons we can add it to our uh

1:17:35 ↗ presentation for January 12th

1:17:37 ↗ um so let us know you know in addition

1:17:40 ↗ to these six things if some topic rings

1:17:43 ↗ a bell that we should highlight and

1:17:45 ↗ bring It Forward I mean it isn't going

1:17:48 ↗ to be a 700 plus page code so uh we

1:17:53 ↗ don't want you to get overwhelmed that's

1:17:55 ↗ why we've kind of pulled out these six

1:17:58 ↗ topics so you can stay at a policy level

1:18:00 ↗ discussion about that

1:18:02 ↗ and we've given you a matrix that says

1:18:05 ↗ these are the things that have changed

1:18:07 ↗ since the last time you saw it so

1:18:09 ↗ keeping it those two things if you're

1:18:11 ↗ short on time would be a useful thing if

1:18:14 ↗ you want to read the whole thing we

1:18:16 ↗ would love it to get your feedback on it

1:18:17 ↗ but it's totally understandable that so

1:18:20 ↗ much work is already happened

1:18:22 ↗ um

1:18:23 ↗ prior to getting to this point that

1:18:26 ↗ that's to be expected right I think the

1:18:29 ↗ idea is we don't want to try and

1:18:30 ↗ relitigate over the last year and a half

1:18:33 ↗ and that's where like you said having

1:18:35 ↗ study sessions if Commissioners want

1:18:37 ↗ them would be very helpful like you said

1:18:40 ↗ that six or seven or ten however many

1:18:42 ↗ policy questions we eventually get those

1:18:44 ↗ are kind of the changes that have

1:18:45 ↗ eventually evolved over time that we're

1:18:47 ↗ really going to want to dive down to

1:18:49 ↗ ultimately there's going to be some

1:18:51 ↗ questions about a definition here and a

1:18:53 ↗ definition there but the idea is really

1:18:55 ↗ not to go back and look at sepa

1:18:57 ↗ thresholds again unless it's you know

1:18:59 ↗ close to your heart but ultimately the

1:19:02 ↗ idea is to kind of go with those

1:19:03 ↗ and I'll look at United

1:19:05 ↗ but that's the idea I think and

1:19:07 ↗ hopefully I'm explaining that right for

1:19:09 ↗ everybody

1:19:10 ↗ um

1:19:11 ↗ let me know if I'm not no no that that's

1:19:13 ↗ exactly uh right so yeah again if you

1:19:16 ↗ want us to highlight something for the

1:19:19 ↗ discussion on January 12 just send us an

1:19:21 ↗ email we'll make sure we include it for

1:19:23 ↗ the benefit of everyone listening in you

1:19:25 ↗ know for the discussion if there's a

1:19:28 ↗ particular topic that you'd like us to

1:19:30 ↗ tease out

1:19:31 ↗ from based on your previous you know

1:19:34 ↗ deliberations and conversations so for

1:19:37 ↗ the new members you know we started out

1:19:39 ↗ with for the lack of better words we had

1:19:41 ↗ six buckets and on the website I think

1:19:44 ↗ we've shown you we've probably given you

1:19:46 ↗ a link to where we have a summary of the

1:19:49 ↗ changes in the draft code

1:19:51 ↗ um and then we had a public hearing we

1:19:54 ↗ got a lot of public comments uh the

1:19:56 ↗ commission deliberated and said these

1:19:58 ↗ are the things that we wanted to go back

1:20:00 ↗ and look at or bring back more

1:20:02 ↗ additional information then after the

1:20:05 ↗ commission worked through that first

1:20:06 ↗ bucket we had a touch point with the

1:20:09 ↗ council committee and said here's where

1:20:11 ↗ we're at do you want planning and policy

1:20:13 ↗ commission to look at something else

1:20:15 ↗ beyond what they've already done are

1:20:18 ↗ there other considerations you want a

1:20:21 ↗ few couple of topics they sent us back

1:20:22 ↗ to planning and policy commission you

1:20:24 ↗ know it was the the block length and

1:20:26 ↗ zero lot line so we came and rechecked

1:20:29 ↗ with you a few things they said have you

1:20:31 ↗ checked with the development commission

1:20:33 ↗ what the thresholds are for design

1:20:34 ↗ review and stuff so we had had the

1:20:37 ↗ conversation with planning and policy

1:20:38 ↗ with you all we had it with Council we

1:20:41 ↗ did a check-in with the development

1:20:42 ↗ Commission on those so that first

1:20:45 ↗ attachment captures all of those

1:20:48 ↗ conversations what we heard from the

1:20:49 ↗ public what we heard from you what we

1:20:51 ↗ heard from Council still in what we did

1:20:53 ↗ with that so that's if you're picking it

1:20:56 ↗ up at this point of the the process

1:20:59 ↗ that's what's moving you know what

1:21:01 ↗ changed from the last draft

1:21:04 ↗ I guess one thing I would add is uh what

1:21:07 ↗ was very helpful in staff is obviously

1:21:09 ↗ here for you guys but I actually took

1:21:11 ↗ them up when I came on board with the

1:21:13 ↗ tutoring lessons they're fantastic I

1:21:15 ↗ recommend it it's very helpful so I

1:21:18 ↗ would you know they're going to make

1:21:19 ↗ themselves available to you guys so

1:21:21 ↗ if if you want it I mean like I said

1:21:23 ↗ that would be great yeah absolutely also

1:21:26 ↗ for me too I'm sure yeah I mean it's

1:21:28 ↗ open for everyone uh open public

1:21:30 ↗ meetings act I don't know if we've done

1:21:32 ↗ the training with the new members yet

1:21:35 ↗ um so we can't meet with you all at once

1:21:37 ↗ it has to be in the public but no more

1:21:40 ↗ than three members we can do it together

1:21:42 ↗ we can do one-on-one whatever you prefer

1:21:45 ↗ um if you are short in time just send us

1:21:47 ↗ an email we can kind of capture it in a

1:21:49 ↗ presentation we we want to make it work

1:21:51 ↗ for you and we are really really

1:21:53 ↗ thankful for all the boards and

1:21:55 ↗ commissions and all the time that all of

1:21:57 ↗ you have dug into these very very

1:21:59 ↗ complex issues

1:22:01 ↗ um and and given us feedback throughout

1:22:04 ↗ the process so you know don't want to

1:22:06 ↗ leave it without thank you thank you

1:22:08 ↗ thank you and we're not done yet but

1:22:10 ↗ it's uh there's a lot coming your way

1:22:14 ↗ yeah I think that that's uh pretty good

1:22:17 ↗ because I think one thing that I saw in

1:22:18 ↗ so many things that I looked at in the

1:22:21 ↗ actual Title 18 was the critical area

1:22:24 ↗ code deviation for homeowners and just

1:22:27 ↗ understanding the intent behind it I

1:22:30 ↗ think that's I could probably speak for

1:22:32 ↗ all of us since at least for the new

1:22:34 ↗ individuals to understand what went into

1:22:37 ↗ it to be able to understand like hey

1:22:39 ↗ okay this is the intent so I'm going to

1:22:42 ↗ look at it from this from this

1:22:44 ↗ perspective basically

1:22:48 ↗ thank you sure yeah well as we walk you

1:22:52 ↗ through the policy questions we'll talk

1:22:53 ↗ you know we'll keep that where it came

1:22:55 ↗ from I mean the council wanted to know

1:22:56 ↗ how why only these six questions where

1:22:59 ↗ do they come from so they came from

1:23:01 ↗ where you told us to go back and

1:23:03 ↗ research or some public comments came in

1:23:05 ↗ or something we you know from a legal

1:23:07 ↗ perspective was kind of brought to our

1:23:09 ↗ attention so for your particular

1:23:11 ↗ question what's the intent you know when

1:23:13 ↗ we did the testing

1:23:15 ↗ uh with uh sample projects with the

1:23:18 ↗ community members that was one one item

1:23:21 ↗ that came forward is for a single family

1:23:23 ↗ homeowner that has a stream or a wetland

1:23:26 ↗ in their you know to hire a wetland

1:23:29 ↗ biologist a stream biologist do these

1:23:31 ↗ studies it's very cost prohibitive for

1:23:33 ↗ for them so people just walk away and

1:23:35 ↗ they just don't get a permit and you

1:23:37 ↗ know there is those kind of things that

1:23:39 ↗ can happen sometimes that they just get

1:23:41 ↗ it becomes too cost prohibitive to do

1:23:43 ↗ the right thing and so

1:23:46 ↗ um that and and then what is the net

1:23:49 ↗ gain to the environment so that's why we

1:23:51 ↗ pose that question so that's the intent

1:23:53 ↗ of

1:23:54 ↗ if the ultimate outcome is to have a

1:23:57 ↗ nicely planted buffer you know their

1:24:00 ↗ house is going to stay that's not going

1:24:01 ↗ to go away we the code already allows

1:24:05 ↗ them to maintain and and do those things

1:24:07 ↗ but if someone just wants to add a deck

1:24:10 ↗ on one side of the home which is further

1:24:12 ↗ away from the stream should we allow

1:24:14 ↗ that without a study or you know so is

1:24:17 ↗ there additional flexibility that's

1:24:19 ↗ needed for these small home renovation

1:24:21 ↗ type of projects I think that that came

1:24:23 ↗ as a question during the um the testing

1:24:27 ↗ phase so that's why we brought that

1:24:29 ↗ forward to you

1:24:31 ↗ no thank you and I guess that also

1:24:33 ↗ differentiates between homeowner and

1:24:36 ↗ let's say a business basically that's

1:24:38 ↗ near one of the critical basically the

1:24:40 ↗ stream essentially

1:24:42 ↗ as well yeah I mean there's state law

1:24:45 ↗ requirements we can't just say you can

1:24:47 ↗ do whatever you want right there's still

1:24:50 ↗ the buffer the protection of the

1:24:52 ↗ critical areas but it's just how do we

1:24:55 ↗ get the net net gain while being

1:24:58 ↗ flexible and and so focusing on that

1:25:04 ↗ and limited limited flexibility in that

1:25:07 ↗ area I mean we are we are bound by state

1:25:10 ↗ law in terms of yeah yeah thank you

1:25:15 ↗ questions absolutely

1:25:19 ↗ all right I got a feeling you'll get a

1:25:21 ↗ lot more questions

1:25:22 ↗ um yeah any other questions

1:25:26 ↗ all right well thank you Stephen thank

1:25:28 ↗ you Minnie uh now on to a little bit of

1:25:31 ↗ housekeeping uh city council updates

1:25:35 ↗ foreign

1:25:37 ↗ things that my name you might want to

1:25:40 ↗ know so Council has been uh you know the

1:25:42 ↗ budget was approved

1:25:44 ↗ um as part of the budget uh things that

1:25:47 ↗ will come your way are parking analysis

1:25:51 ↗ you know the things that got put on the

1:25:52 ↗ future updates list uh so there's

1:25:54 ↗ parking discussion uh that will happen

1:25:57 ↗ there is the diversity of housing

1:26:00 ↗ options discussion that will happen and

1:26:03 ↗ then they also funded uh the stream

1:26:06 ↗ buffers assessment of you know on the

1:26:08 ↗ grounds with coordination with the

1:26:10 ↗ channel migration study that they can

1:26:12 ↗ that King County flood control district

1:26:14 ↗ is doing in so so three things stream

1:26:18 ↗ buffers parking and diversity of housing

1:26:20 ↗ was from the future updates list got

1:26:23 ↗ funded

1:26:24 ↗ we have some money for a TDR

1:26:28 ↗ um you know interlocal thing

1:26:30 ↗ um so we'll uh and and for I won't throw

1:26:34 ↗ more acronyms at you but we'll come back

1:26:36 ↗ with

1:26:37 ↗ uh some of those items in addition to

1:26:40 ↗ the comprehensive planning process

1:26:42 ↗ that's gonna you're gonna start getting

1:26:44 ↗ you know once you're done with Title 18

1:26:46 ↗ and then that will kick-start the um the

1:26:49 ↗ comprehensive planning the periodic

1:26:51 ↗ update so that there's funding for that

1:26:54 ↗ um other things that Council uh approved

1:26:57 ↗ just this last Monday they approved the

1:27:00 ↗ interlocal for the transit oriented

1:27:02 ↗ development

1:27:03 ↗ DOD that project that was mentioned

1:27:05 ↗ today and right next to the transit

1:27:08 ↗ center for affordable housing interlocal

1:27:11 ↗ with King County Housing Authority

1:27:13 ↗ so there's some the city's been working

1:27:16 ↗ on that for five plus years with an

1:27:19 ↗ opportunity Center luminones the site

1:27:21 ↗ there was going to be a partnership but

1:27:24 ↗ with city-owned property but I think now

1:27:27 ↗ it's an interlocal just between King

1:27:28 ↗ County Housing Authority and

1:27:30 ↗ and and the city so that that just got

1:27:34 ↗ passed

1:27:36 ↗ um other than that

1:27:38 ↗ I have yeah I have one oh yep good um

1:27:42 ↗ yeah on on November 21st we took the

1:27:44 ↗ comprehensive plan amendments to city

1:27:45 ↗ council and they took action on those

1:27:47 ↗ and they voted uh

1:27:50 ↗ like you all to not approve the Wildwood

1:27:53 ↗ reason they did vote to approve both the

1:27:57 ↗ Newport Way and the Our Savior rezones

1:28:00 ↗ our savior is a different direction than

1:28:03 ↗ you all they had asked us between this

1:28:06 ↗ meeting and their meeting for an inter

1:28:08 ↗ for several interpretations legal

1:28:10 ↗ interpretations and I think the one uh

1:28:13 ↗ one that was a big one was the criteria

1:28:16 ↗ number three they said does criteria

1:28:18 ↗ number three referred to capacity or is

1:28:21 ↗ it the you know which targets did they

1:28:23 ↗ refer to and the legal interpretation is

1:28:25 ↗ they refer only to the 2024 or 2044

1:28:28 ↗ excuse me State mandated housing growth

1:28:32 ↗ targets and did not include capacity

1:28:34 ↗ which was something that had come up in

1:28:36 ↗ your discussion and so that for that

1:28:38 ↗ they said then the criteria then they do

1:28:41 ↗ me the criteria and so they went ahead

1:28:43 ↗ and approved that one

1:28:48 ↗ yeah then the

1:28:50 ↗ um any questions on the comp plan update

1:28:53 ↗ one of the feedback that came from

1:28:54 ↗ Council was that if planning and policy

1:28:57 ↗ commission is going to be making these

1:29:00 ↗ um you know

1:29:02 ↗ caused their judicial in the future but

1:29:04 ↗ these kind of site-specific uh decisions

1:29:07 ↗ because usually you're making a policy

1:29:09 ↗ recommendation uh that we do provide a

1:29:12 ↗ City Attorney at your meeting so you

1:29:14 ↗ have the same resources for

1:29:16 ↗ um for your discussion and debate so

1:29:19 ↗ that was feedback for us and we'll

1:29:21 ↗ definitely you know as you dive into the

1:29:23 ↗ title 18 of options for rezone

1:29:26 ↗ site-specific rezones there

1:29:29 ↗ gonna be quasi-judicial where you are

1:29:31 ↗ acting like judges and you can't talk to

1:29:33 ↗ each other or to the applicant as one of

1:29:35 ↗ the options so we'll get into those

1:29:37 ↗ details with you but yeah that was the

1:29:40 ↗ comp plan

1:29:41 ↗ any questions about or

1:29:44 ↗ cancels decision

1:29:46 ↗ on it or or how the process works I know

1:29:49 ↗ this was the first time the new members

1:29:51 ↗ kind of took uh took a deeper dive into

1:29:54 ↗ into that but it's you make a

1:29:56 ↗ recommendation to council and then

1:29:58 ↗ Council makes the final decision yeah I

1:30:00 ↗ think for that specific one for the Our

1:30:03 ↗ Savior Lutheran Church we recommended

1:30:06 ↗ like a development agreement with the

1:30:08 ↗ council and that's the way it went

1:30:10 ↗ forward I think I saw that in the title

1:30:12 ↗ 18 document for some of the amendments

1:30:16 ↗ in the document to be able to provide

1:30:19 ↗ that

1:30:20 ↗ um develop development agreement so that

1:30:23 ↗ we can get through those nine

1:30:26 ↗ um

1:30:27 ↗ those nine requirements basically so it

1:30:30 ↗ actually showed that that worked to a

1:30:32 ↗ certain extent maybe not to

1:30:34 ↗ exactly how we recommended it but

1:30:38 ↗ um still it still went through at the

1:30:39 ↗ city council yeah and we we did talk to

1:30:42 ↗ the property owners about a development

1:30:45 ↗ agreement and for several different

1:30:46 ↗ reasons that was not their first choice

1:30:48 ↗ they wanted to continue with the rezone

1:30:50 ↗ process

1:30:52 ↗ yeah yeah we had series of meetings with

1:30:55 ↗ them uh after your recommendation to see

1:30:57 ↗ if we could get them to talk about the

1:30:59 ↗ development agreement I think they they

1:31:01 ↗ were not opposed to it but they felt

1:31:04 ↗ like that was not the place they wanted

1:31:06 ↗ to go they wanted to see if they could

1:31:07 ↗ you know it was more cleaner to get the

1:31:10 ↗ reason process but the development

1:31:11 ↗ agreement is a joint you know we came we

1:31:14 ↗ can't require an applicant to do a

1:31:16 ↗ development agreement as a city so those

1:31:19 ↗ are tools where you voluntarily agree to

1:31:21 ↗ a certain terms and things like that so

1:31:24 ↗ as you look at that criteria keep that

1:31:26 ↗ in mind in terms of

1:31:28 ↗ um you know it's not we can't condition

1:31:31 ↗ something based on a development

1:31:33 ↗ agreement it's more of a mutual

1:31:36 ↗ really acceptable terms that you enter

1:31:39 ↗ into an agreement I also want to mention

1:31:41 ↗ that between your meeting there was a

1:31:43 ↗ lot that happened between your meeting

1:31:45 ↗ and the city council meeting the food

1:31:47 ↗ bank decided not to locate on that site

1:31:50 ↗ and they still do want to make it a

1:31:53 ↗ community resource and have some other

1:31:56 ↗ non-profits that serve the community but

1:31:58 ↗ that one fell through at that time yeah

1:32:01 ↗ it's back on so there's you know I think

1:32:05 ↗ the the testimony that the applicant

1:32:06 ↗ provided was at that time they couldn't

1:32:09 ↗ they didn't have a firm you know deal

1:32:13 ↗ with them so they're still talking so

1:32:15 ↗ it's still in flux per se but it so they

1:32:19 ↗ wanted to just be very clear with

1:32:20 ↗ Council that that was not why and you

1:32:23 ↗ know I think your deliberation in our

1:32:24 ↗ presentation was and based on one

1:32:27 ↗ particular specific proposal it's what

1:32:29 ↗ else can go in and so we were very clear

1:32:31 ↗ with you all and with Council I think

1:32:33 ↗ they all got that that when you're

1:32:35 ↗ reviewing these things it's not one

1:32:37 ↗ specific proposal it's what what is

1:32:39 ↗ allowed under that zone and that's what

1:32:41 ↗ you base your decision on

1:32:44 ↗ yep

1:32:46 ↗ so that's actually my question and I

1:32:48 ↗ wasn't here for the public hearing I was

1:32:49 ↗ on vacation then so I may be missing

1:32:51 ↗ some information but in the prior

1:32:54 ↗ conversation the piece that I saw that

1:32:56 ↗ was not met in that proposal was the

1:32:58 ↗ public benefit that there was not a

1:33:01 ↗ specific agreement or proposal to bring

1:33:05 ↗ additional housing onto that site

1:33:08 ↗ and it's that density that has been

1:33:10 ↗ approved without that is that what I'm

1:33:12 ↗ understanding yeah yeah I think there

1:33:13 ↗ was some

1:33:15 ↗ um in the LA in the next the the next

1:33:17 ↗ iteration of the staff report you saw it

1:33:20 ↗ it didn't meet the criteria for

1:33:23 ↗ um

1:33:24 ↗ uh it met all the criteria from staff's

1:33:26 ↗ perspectives so we had clear clarified

1:33:28 ↗ that I think the deliberation at the

1:33:31 ↗ planning and policy commission was it

1:33:32 ↗ didn't meet the criteria number four

1:33:35 ↗ which was

1:33:36 ↗ um it had met the growth Target or it

1:33:39 ↗ had not met the growth Target so that

1:33:41 ↗ was sort of the distinction okay thank

1:33:44 ↗ you that was the piece I was missing

1:33:45 ↗ yeah

1:33:48 ↗ yeah so other than that and any other

1:33:50 ↗ questions

1:33:52 ↗ um the last thing that the council

1:33:53 ↗ committee is working on

1:33:56 ↗ is contractor code of conduct so we went

1:34:00 ↗ this has been on the city's work plan

1:34:02 ↗ for a number of years so we went to the

1:34:05 ↗ committee and said can you know here's

1:34:07 ↗ what we do at the staff level we have

1:34:10 ↗ these checklists that we go over the

1:34:12 ↗ with the contractors

1:34:14 ↗ um what else is needed so it it was made

1:34:17 ↗ clear that it's the outward facing

1:34:19 ↗ document for addressing impacts to the

1:34:23 ↗ neighborhood so if you're doing

1:34:24 ↗ construction in an infill site you know

1:34:27 ↗ where are people parking are they

1:34:28 ↗ keeping the place clean what kind of

1:34:31 ↗ noise who's monitoring you know they can

1:34:33 ↗ only do work within certain hours but if

1:34:35 ↗ they start early you know so uh the bang

1:34:38 ↗ so noise keeping it clean notifying the

1:34:43 ↗ the neighbors

1:34:44 ↗ um and those are the kind of teams that

1:34:46 ↗ that

1:34:48 ↗ are desired to be addressed with the

1:34:50 ↗ contractors so and then the council also

1:34:53 ↗ asked us to hold a community meeting

1:34:55 ↗ on the topic to get get feedback from

1:34:57 ↗ the community so we did that

1:35:00 ↗ um earlier last week uh and uh invited

1:35:03 ↗ master builder Association and other

1:35:06 ↗ contractors so we're getting some

1:35:07 ↗ feedback from the community members and

1:35:10 ↗ and uh and also from the contractor side

1:35:12 ↗ so now we plan to take that item back

1:35:15 ↗ for a council Committee of what we heard

1:35:16 ↗ during this Outreach on um in January

1:35:22 ↗ that's it in terms of cancel reports

1:35:26 ↗ you guys have been busy

1:35:28 ↗ all right well thank you Minnie

1:35:30 ↗ um do we have any other business

1:35:32 ↗ business or announcements uh Kristen

1:35:35 ↗ Stephen Minnie just anything in general

1:35:41 ↗ just one thing with uh the calendar

1:35:43 ↗ that's included in your packets for 2023

1:35:45 ↗ so that'll kind of give you a good idea

1:35:48 ↗ of how we see a lot of the discussions

1:35:50 ↗ progressing through 2023 in terms of how

1:35:53 ↗ we'll package it with each of your

1:35:54 ↗ meetings it is subject to change as we

1:35:57 ↗ kind of scope out a lot of those

1:35:58 ↗ specific projects on it uh does this

1:36:01 ↗ discuss housing the transit study the

1:36:03 ↗ comprehensive plan

1:36:05 ↗ um

1:36:06 ↗ as we kind of bring those to you it'll

1:36:08 ↗ kind of be laid out that counter and

1:36:09 ↗ it'll get updated with each of your

1:36:11 ↗ meetings for the new members uh we

1:36:13 ↗ update that for every meeting

1:36:15 ↗ that'll be nice because once we uh move

1:36:17 ↗ on Beyond Title 18 we'll be able to

1:36:20 ↗ start fresh and then

1:36:21 ↗ I think everyone will enjoy that so

1:36:23 ↗ looking forward to a great 2023

1:36:27 ↗ um

1:36:28 ↗ anything for the good of the order

1:36:33 ↗ all right well I wish all of you guys a

1:36:35 ↗ wonderful winter holiday break happy

1:36:37 ↗ Hanukkah happy Merry Christmas very new

1:36:39 ↗ Happy New Year

1:36:41 ↗ um

1:36:42 ↗ we are adjourned until January 12th

1:36:46 ↗ so enjoy the time off I know we all have

1:36:49 ↗ a lot of reading to do so

1:36:51 ↗ here it comes

1:36:53 ↗ have a good night everyone we are

1:36:54 ↗ adjourned at um

1:36:56 ↗ 8 12.

1:36:58 ↗ thank you

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