Planning Policy Commission - Special Meeting · Thursday, February 6, 2020 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

packet pp.5

Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Nov 14, 2019

Open packet at p.5 ↗

Staff report:

Planning Policy Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Trish Heinonen, Planning Manager policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides Email guidance and direction for Issaquah’s future growth through continued review and improvement to the Regular Members City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related 2020 – Ron Faul land use documents. 2020 – Joan Probala 2022 – Joy Lewis Membership 2022 – Janice Carle The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2022 – Bill Rinehart seven regular members, with four-year terms; and 2022 – Jason Voiss several alternates, with two-year terms. All 2023 – Randy Harrison members are appointed by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire Alternate Members April 30 of the year listed. For more information, 2020 – Vacant see IMC 18.03. 2020 – Robin Beukers 2020 – Vacant 2020 – Vacant

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of January 9, 2020

packet pp.7–9

Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Nov 14, 2019

▶ Watch from 1:19 Open packet at p.7 ↗

Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 1-9-20 Planning Policy Commission Minutes Page [0000]

Minutes of January 11, 2020

packet pp.11

▶ Watch from 3:29 Open packet at p.11 ↗

Staff report:

The purpose of this special meeting was to allow commissioners the ability to attend a walking tour and workshop regarding Olde Town architectural standards and guidelines specific to single family duplex zoning. No formal/final action occurred.

5. REPORTS

Comprehensive Plan Amendments, approved Ord. 2894 adopting the Comprehensive Plan, except for redesignation / rezone of three Issaquah School District parcels adjacent to Providence Point. Council action was consistent with PPC's recommendation. approved Ord. 2895 adopting Community Facilities land use designation and Community Facility - Facility zoning for the three Issaquah School District parcels adjacent to Providence Point. Council action was not consistent with PPC's recommendation

Information

Topics: Land UseSchools

Olde Town Land Use Code Amendments, community members participated in the Olde Town walking tour and workshop regarding Olde Town Architectural Standards / Design Guidelines. See website for more info on this major project. have a study session on the Olde Town Land Use Code amendments recommended by PPC on Sept. 26, 2019. Council action is anticipated on Mar. 16, 2020

Topics: Land Use

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Upcoming Schedule

packet pp.23

▶ Watch from 46:29 Open packet at p.23 ↗

Staff report:

OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS a) 2020 PPC Schedule (tentative) (updated 1-28-20) All meetings located in Council Chambers unless noted January 2020 September 2020 1/9/20 Training and Mayor visit 9/10/20 Public Hearing: 2020 Comprehensive Plan Amendments 1/11/20 Saturday 9:00 am to noon Olde Town Walking Tour and Workshop (Olde Town Architectural Standards/Design Guidelines) 9/24/20 To be Determined

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0:12 ↗ good evening everyone and welcome to the

0:15 ↗ February 6 meeting the Planning Policy

0:17 ↗ Commission tonight we have two things on

0:21 ↗ our agenda the first being a discussion

0:24 ↗ of the proposed docket of the 2020

0:28 ↗ comprehensive plan just as a discussion

0:31 ↗ and we will have a vote on the rules and

0:37 ↗ regulations governing our board and then

0:41 ↗ if anybody's here we'll open it up to

0:43 ↗ public - then we're going to have a

0:46 ↗ public hearing public hearing in the

0:49 ↗ middle of that and then at the end we're

0:51 ↗ going to open it up for other issues

0:53 ↗ that if there's anybody here that they

0:55 ↗ would like to discuss as usual we have

1:00 ↗ two minutes that we have to approve and

1:04 ↗ I know we can do it all at once but I

1:08 ↗ would prefer doing it individually so I

1:11 ↗ need a motion to accept the minutes of

1:14 ↗ January 9th elect to make a motion to

1:19 ↗ approve the minutes on January 9th

1:21 ↗ well second any discussion all those in

1:26 ↗ favor say aye aye host I need a motion

1:30 ↗ to approve the minutes of January 11th I

1:33 ↗ make a motion to approve the minutes for

1:36 ↗ January 11th a second well second all

1:39 ↗ those in favor say aye okay so if we get

1:44 ↗ into the rules and regs there is a

1:51 ↗ little change in who is able to

1:54 ↗ participate since we are going to have a

1:58 ↗ vote to approve the regs this evening

2:02 ↗ right and actually the public hearing is

2:03 ↗ first oh I know we're not doing yeah I

2:06 ↗ just want to explain that there are

2:08 ↗ seven regular members of the board and

2:10 ↗ since they're one two three four five

2:12 ↗ six here the alternate that is on our

2:15 ↗ board Robin is

2:17 ↗ now considered a member of a regular

2:20 ↗ member and he will have the right to

2:21 ↗ vote tonight with that I will open it up

2:25 ↗ for discussion on the proposed docket

2:28 ↗ for 2020 excellent and can you all see

2:31 ↗ on your screen do you all have the

2:33 ↗ screen okay yep I'm still getting used

2:35 ↗ to that okay here we are again at the

2:43 ↗ beginning of the year before I do that I

2:46 ↗ want to introduce to you our famous

2:48 ↗ person in the audience here is andrea

2:51 ↗ schneider she is our deputy City

2:53 ↗ Administrator do I have that right and

2:55 ↗ she comes to us

2:57 ↗ she used to be our economic development

2:58 ↗ manager at Issaquah she took a

3:01 ↗ sabbatical to learn more wisdom and

3:04 ↗ she's back now and she's been amazing

3:06 ↗ and now she wants to spend more time

3:09 ↗ with boards and commissions and and so

3:12 ↗ she's here tonight I don't know if she's

3:14 ↗ ever been to a Planning Policy

3:15 ↗ Commission meeting so I've already told

3:17 ↗ her how amazing you all are so I've come

3:20 ↗ so this is Andrea and welcome and thank

3:22 ↗ you for being here on such a rainy

3:24 ↗ floody night we appreciate it

3:26 ↗ because it's been quite a doozy of a day

3:29 ↗ so with that I will start again today we

3:35 ↗ start the comprehensive plan amendment

3:37 ↗ process as we do on the beginning of

3:40 ↗ every year and the purpose of tonight is

3:43 ↗ for you all to have a chance to look at

3:45 ↗ the list which the appropriate name is

3:48 ↗ called the docket but it's a list of

3:50 ↗ amendments that we believe we will work

3:52 ↗ on throughout the year and the state

3:55 ↗ requires that we establish the list

3:57 ↗ early in the year and that no other

3:59 ↗ items be added at the last minute so

4:03 ↗ that all of the amendments can be done

4:06 ↗ consistently and connectedly so that the

4:09 ↗ comprehensive plan continues to be

4:11 ↗ comprehensive and not changed piecemeal

4:17 ↗ you all received an email about an

4:20 ↗ updated docket

4:21 ↗ I believe that went out yesterday and

4:23 ↗ the reason for the update is we found

4:26 ↗ out from Public Works Department that

4:28 ↗ the stormwater plan that will not be

4:30 ↗ done until early next year

4:32 ↗ so we removed that we don't have to

4:34 ↗ change the utilities and public service

4:36 ↗ element this year because it won't be

4:38 ↗ done yet and also when we sent out the

4:41 ↗ packet we had talked to several property

4:43 ↗ owners that said they would get their

4:45 ↗ applications in for proposed rezoning

4:47 ↗ and redesignate by Friday which the code

4:51 ↗ says they have to have them in by

4:52 ↗ January 31st and they didn't get them in

4:55 ↗ so we wanted you all to have the real

4:57 ↗ docket that includes the real property

5:01 ↗ owners that did get their applications

5:03 ↗ in so that you weren't considering

5:06 ↗ parcels that they didn't get their

5:08 ↗ application and so we can't consider

5:09 ↗ them so that's why you've got a new

5:11 ↗ docket emailed and the if you need a

5:13 ↗ paper copy with the new docket and the

5:15 ↗ new map in it

5:16 ↗ they're right by Joan if you want a

5:18 ↗ paper copy of the new map and the new

5:21 ↗ but those were emailed out to you

5:22 ↗ yesterday so sorry about that but the

5:26 ↗ packet had to go out before the deadline

5:27 ↗ for applications so we knew it might be

5:30 ↗ a little different it's tonight what

5:33 ↗ we're going to accomplish is you're

5:36 ↗ going to review the list we're going to

5:38 ↗ take public comment from the many people

5:42 ↗ in the audience you're gonna be able to

5:44 ↗ discuss and ask each other questions and

5:46 ↗ ask staff questions and then hopefully

5:48 ↗ if you're comfortable with all the

5:50 ↗ information you have received you'll be

5:52 ↗ able to make a recommendation to City

5:53 ↗ Council about what items you believe

5:55 ↗ should be on the docket for this year

5:59 ↗ this is the process that we go through

6:01 ↗ each year you all review the docket and

6:04 ↗ make a recommendation to the council in

6:06 ↗ January and February in March

6:09 ↗ council establishes the docket April

6:12 ↗ through August staff prepares all the

6:15 ↗ items and amendments for you to review

6:17 ↗ so that when you have the public hearing

6:20 ↗ in September you've seen each of them at

6:23 ↗ least once is what we try to do and then

6:26 ↗ November and December council takes

6:28 ↗ action on the

6:31 ↗ sometimes things happen as you know from

6:33 ↗ last June we have many public hearings

6:35 ↗ but we're hoping that maybe we it won't

6:38 ↗ be so exciting as it was last year the

6:41 ↗ proposal for this year there aren't that

6:43 ↗ many you probably noticed the

6:45 ↗ transportation element is hopefully

6:48 ↗ going to be replaced with a new mobility

6:49 ↗ master plan and the updated

6:51 ↗ Transportation Improvement Program the

6:54 ↗ land-use element will have its updated

6:56 ↗ tables that will show the new housing

6:59 ↗ units the new jobs and the new

7:01 ↗ development capacity information that we

7:04 ↗ figured out this year the capital

7:06 ↗ facilities element will have an update

7:08 ↗ for the park impact fees that we

7:10 ↗ continue to work on and there are three

7:13 ↗ land use designation reasons to consider

7:16 ↗ amazingly none of them are asking for

7:19 ↗ community facilities this year they are

7:22 ↗ all asking to be zones that are for

7:26 ↗ private use for private ownership just a

7:29 ↗ little different we haven't had that in

7:30 ↗ a while yes it's not actually correct

7:34 ↗ for if we look at item number three in

7:37 ↗ the table okay item three with table

7:40 ↗ which says community facilities

7:42 ↗ resignation reasons parcel three for two

7:46 ↗ of its item parcel number one south

7:51 ↗ south side of east sunset way any sixth

7:55 ↗ Avenue south east are you looking at the

7:58 ↗ new one rod no I'm looking at the one

8:02 ↗ that I got nailed okay Thank You Joan

8:06 ↗ there was a new docket sent out

8:08 ↗ yesterday that has new parcels on it and

8:12 ↗ these are the parcels that we received

8:13 ↗ applications for still on here and we

8:25 ↗ are always so prepared we you send out

8:28 ↗ the agenda on Friday said of course we

8:30 ↗ read it right away I know they should

8:32 ↗ change it and we're not the parents I

8:34 ↗ know that you do you guys did all your

8:35 ↗ homework and come Monday you're done I

8:37 ↗ totally understand that so it's not on

8:41 ↗ docket there you go do you have a

8:43 ↗ question okay why would it not be on a

8:46 ↗ new docket I just mentioned they did not

8:48 ↗ get their application in by the code

8:51 ↗ deadline of January 31st so they because

8:54 ↗ they did not meet the deadline they did

8:56 ↗ not make the docket our previous packet

8:59 ↗ had applicants who had said this to the

9:01 ↗ city were planning on this so they had

9:03 ↗ prepared documentation for us but this

9:06 ↗ is now the updated situation for who

9:07 ↗ made the deadline okay enjoy perfect but

9:12 ↗ this particular parcel is city-owned

9:16 ↗ it's owned by its own by State Parks

9:20 ↗ they purchased the property it's a South

9:24 ↗ Side east sunset correct right and part

9:27 ↗ of the parcel is inside the city and the

9:29 ↗ other part of the parcel is just outside

9:30 ↗ of the city oh okay I follow up is this

9:36 ↗ the parcel pertaining to an email sent

9:39 ↗ by Connie Marsh no hers is on the RV

9:43 ↗ park that is not this which is item

9:46 ↗ number two personal number two okay

9:49 ↗ sorry okay so it's not it's been a busy

9:51 ↗ week yes let it go then okay so this is

9:57 ↗ the new and improved map of the three

10:00 ↗ parcels that are on the list to be

10:03 ↗ thought about for redesignate inand

10:07 ↗ reasons and again all three of them are

10:09 ↗ asking for a designation and a zone that

10:13 ↗ would allow them to use their land for

10:15 ↗ private use and I'll go over them one at

10:19 ↗ a time and take all your questions

10:21 ↗ parcel one is on the corner of Newports

10:25 ↗ way and sr 900 and it's less than an

10:27 ↗ acre driving by it today well it's

10:31 ↗ probably hard to see today with all the

10:33 ↗ water there might be there but it's a

10:35 ↗ landscaping business now for contractors

10:37 ↗ it's been matched since I believe 1978

10:45 ↗ it's now it's the blow density

10:48 ↗ residential the zone is single-family

10:50 ↗ suburban and it's surrounded all on the

10:52 ↗ south side of

10:54 ↗ Newport way it's all single-family

10:56 ↗ suburban they would like a zone mixed

11:00 ↗ juice or professional office so that it

11:03 ↗ would be more in keeping with that they

11:06 ↗ have a landscape business there

11:09 ↗ any questions on this particular person

11:13 ↗ well but nothing's changing they're

11:16 ↗ still able to operate their business on

11:17 ↗ the existing right they're legally

11:20 ↗ non-conforming they were they got a PUA

11:24 ↗ we called it back then in 1977 they had

11:29 ↗ a like a oil gas business there and then

11:34 ↗ the year later they asked if they could

11:36 ↗ add one more use the landscaping news so

11:39 ↗ they've been had they've had the

11:41 ↗ approval to having a landscape use there

11:43 ↗ since 1978 it's a little different we

11:48 ↗ don't do plant P UAS anymore

11:52 ↗ because it tends to make your zoning map

11:55 ↗ a little odd because it's like wow it's

11:56 ↗ a single-family zone and it has a

11:58 ↗ landscape business so we don't do those

12:01 ↗ anymore but that one because it still

12:03 ↗ has been operating all these years since

12:06 ↗ it was allowed it's a legally

12:07 ↗ non-conforming use so if heaven forbid

12:10 ↗ anything should happen to it they'd

12:12 ↗ still be able to rebuild because they

12:14 ↗ are legally non-conforming this rezoning

12:18 ↗ was approved what else would be able to

12:20 ↗ be built on that well if that's what we

12:25 ↗ do when we actually review the whole

12:28 ↗ thing but certainly we've jumped to that

12:30 ↗ that if they were rezone to something

12:33 ↗ else that's one of the things we would

12:36 ↗ show you in the analysis that we do

12:38 ↗ right I see

12:41 ↗ what's the pros and cons of rezoning it

12:44 ↗ because if I can for me this is just

12:46 ↗ remember this is just the list we

12:49 ↗ haven't done the analysis yet to tell

12:51 ↗ you what the pros and cons are today

12:53 ↗ we're just letting you know that they've

12:55 ↗ asked to be on the list okay it makes

12:58 ↗ sense they're just so we're just

13:00 ↗ assessing this for proposed for those

13:03 ↗ later

13:04 ↗ right this is just to see if we should

13:06 ↗ continue forward or if counsel should

13:09 ↗ direct us to continue forward with the

13:10 ↗ analysis of this request

13:16 ↗ I know it's hard not to just jump to the

13:17 ↗ next step but this is just the list any

13:21 ↗ other questions on this oh yes say don't

13:23 ↗ continue to with the analysis give me an

13:26 ↗ example of a situation similar to this

13:27 ↗ with some other sites some other time

13:29 ↗ where the council many said no we don't

13:33 ↗ want you to proceed even with an

13:36 ↗ analysis of this right there was once a

13:40 ↗ parcel just outside the city limits that

13:45 ↗ asked for

13:47 ↗ they had like an easement on the border

13:51 ↗ and they asked for that easement to be

13:53 ↗ changed so that their subdivision

13:56 ↗ outside the city could have access to

13:58 ↗ the city and the council did not want to

14:01 ↗ entertain moving forward with that that

14:04 ↗ would be something you know but every

14:06 ↗ case is different so you you know we

14:08 ↗ actually have to ponder it to make sure

14:10 ↗ that you want to spend staff resources

14:13 ↗ and committee resources on pondering

14:17 ↗ those things but each of them are

14:20 ↗ different any other questions on this

14:24 ↗ one okay

14:27 ↗ this is a really interesting one this is

14:31 ↗ called this is parcel - this is on the

14:36 ↗ city-owned RV park which is also happens

14:38 ↗ to be the same parcel as the city's

14:41 ↗ Public Works operations site the actual

14:45 ↗ proposal for this parcel what wouldn't

14:50 ↗ would not take the entire parcel we'd if

14:53 ↗ it was approved down the road we would

14:55 ↗ actually do a lot line adjustment to

14:57 ↗ make part of it still be the shop site

15:01 ↗ the public workshop site and the other

15:03 ↗ part be it have a change zone and the

15:06 ↗ reason that this is being requested to

15:09 ↗ be commercial is so that we're still

15:13 ↗ trying to work out that transit oriented

15:15 ↗ development that's next door to the mr.

15:19 ↗ qua transit site on maple and SR 900 and

15:22 ↗ we're trying to find a home for

15:24 ↗ Centrelink

15:25 ↗ because if Centrelink can move somewhere

15:28 ↗ then we have that spot that personal

15:30 ↗ next to the Transit Center that we could

15:32 ↗ do a transit oriented development with

15:34 ↗ affordable housing and all sorts of

15:36 ↗ great pieces but we're still trying to

15:38 ↗ find a usable spot that CenturyLink

15:41 ↗ would would like to move to and so this

15:45 ↗ is the proposal is that part of this

15:47 ↗ parcel where that right now there's an

15:50 ↗ RV park that the city owns that we could

15:53 ↗ use that for for CenturyLink and then

15:56 ↗ they would move it's sort of the

15:58 ↗ dominoes they would move and then we

15:59 ↗ could do transit oriented development

16:01 ↗ and this is the one that Connie wrote

16:04 ↗ about in her email is that is the RV

16:07 ↗ site are there questions on this one

16:15 ↗ I got a question for number three if

16:18 ↗ we're not there you wanna make sure you

16:22 ↗ had coffee before you came in town

16:25 ↗ parcel three are we ready for parcel

16:27 ↗ three and if you think of other

16:28 ↗ questions you know you can always ask

16:30 ↗ this is a I'm black nugget road very

16:34 ↗ this little small parcel it currently

16:36 ↗ it's a single family home its existing

16:39 ↗ zone is single family estates and the

16:42 ↗ owner would like either mix juice or

16:44 ↗ retail and this is one this has has some

16:48 ↗ extra information for you is that at

16:50 ↗ this point the administration doesn't

16:52 ↗ support the change we support them

16:55 ↗ moving forward and asking but as your

16:59 ↗ professional staff we're not in favor of

17:02 ↗ it because it would be it's single

17:04 ↗ family and if it changed to a non

17:06 ↗ residential use zone all that the

17:11 ↗ properties adjacent to it are still

17:13 ↗ single family so it would you know be

17:15 ↗ sort of like a spot zone it would be

17:17 ↗ inconsistent with its neighbors and so

17:20 ↗ we tell you that just as that was the

17:21 ↗ first thing that we noticed when they

17:23 ↗ asked for it was while on the block

17:26 ↗ you've got single family single family

17:27 ↗ and then there would be this mixed juice

17:29 ↗ or something and so we think it should

17:32 ↗ go forward to council and we think we

17:34 ↗ should ponder it but just from the face

17:37 ↗ of it it doesn't seem like a great idea

17:40 ↗ because it would be a spot zone so we

17:42 ↗ would want to find out more about about

17:45 ↗ it before we you know said yea or nay

17:47 ↗ but just at first glance it doesn't seem

17:50 ↗ to fit with it the adjacent neighborhood

17:53 ↗ right now I asked you a question about

17:55 ↗ that city personal one is it the same

17:57 ↗ owner that owns the adjacent property no

18:02 ↗ on that you happen to from looking at

18:06 ↗ the old packet versus a new pack

18:09 ↗ No number three there's a reason there's

18:13 ↗ a new packet run but the numbers

18:15 ↗ themselves only the first two digits are

18:17 ↗ different in the parcel number so I'm

18:20 ↗ worrying if that's a typo that's really

18:23 ↗ it's rain it's kind of unique that we

18:26 ↗ start off with two nine two four zero

18:29 ↗ six nine zero seven five four parcel and

18:32 ↗ in the old packet which is in a totally

18:34 ↗ different end of the city is three three

18:37 ↗ two four zero six nine zero seven five I

18:40 ↗ will put that under advisement to my map

18:42 ↗ expertise to make sure we have the exact

18:45 ↗ right parcel number okay thank you for

18:47 ↗ flagging that because I have no idea

18:49 ↗ they'll my map genius says that it is

18:53 ↗ correct in the new packet oh okay they

18:57 ↗ just saw that it's like what's the

18:58 ↗ chances of that actually happening I

18:59 ↗ don't know me there are some numbers

19:03 ↗ there any other questions on proposal

19:06 ↗ parcel three okay our recommendation as

19:15 ↗ your staff is that all of these should

19:18 ↗ move forward as presented it'll come

19:21 ↗ back through here one more time right

19:24 ↗ when they after this great question bill

19:31 ↗ the timing of this once you all tell us

19:35 ↗ what you recommend to council it would

19:37 ↗ go to council and they would establish

19:38 ↗ the docket and they may be happy with it

19:41 ↗ as it's presented tonight they may have

19:43 ↗ changes don't know but then all the ones

19:47 ↗ that are on the docket would start

19:49 ↗ coming to you with actually with the

19:51 ↗ analysis with the language with the

19:53 ↗ zones with all the information that we

19:56 ↗ can find to help you then make actual

19:59 ↗ recommendations on the amendments and

20:01 ↗ that would continue on until the public

20:03 ↗ hearing you know sometime in September

20:05 ↗ does that make sense it does thank you

20:09 ↗ other questions

20:16 ↗ okay so that's the timeline and there's

20:20 ↗ questions so you could open up the

20:24 ↗ public hearing you know I don't see that

20:26 ↗ anyone setting up are there any other

20:29 ↗ question Mary none okay and there were

20:33 ↗ just the two letters did though I don't

20:36 ↗ have my email from Steve here did Steve

20:38 ↗ have questions on the the actual docket

20:41 ↗ or were his only on the rules I think

20:44 ↗ also they were on what will be meeting

20:46 ↗ on next Wednesday

20:48 ↗ specifically on old town yeah I think

20:50 ↗ that's what are the so I think that

20:52 ↗ comments should be addressed by these

20:54 ↗ are all general things there he got into

20:56 ↗ specifics okay sure which are good I'm

21:00 ↗ glad he as I didn't want to miss it if

21:04 ↗ it was on the on the docket okay those

21:06 ↗ are counties though are you gonna add

21:10 ↗ anything or should I open up the public

21:12 ↗ room I think you could probably open it

21:14 ↗ up safely

21:14 ↗ okay so at 6:53 I'm gonna open the

21:22 ↗ public hearing and asking ask if anybody

21:25 ↗ would like to make a public comment

21:29 ↗ would anybody like to make a public

21:31 ↗ comment

21:32 ↗ are you sure that none of you would like

21:36 ↗ to make a public comment hearing none I

21:40 ↗ will close the public hearing at 7:54

21:45 ↗ and go on to our next regular business

21:49 ↗ which is approval of what you have to do

21:53 ↗ you need to recommend oh however you

21:57 ↗ want the docket to be to go to council

21:59 ↗ oh I didn't think we had to do that

22:01 ↗ that's not that was my discussion oh no

22:05 ↗ it would be what's tonight after the

22:09 ↗ public hearing once you've considered

22:11 ↗ all the comments that you've received

22:12 ↗ and talked amongst yourselves you

22:15 ↗ recommend whichever items you buy should

22:17 ↗ be on the but I had asked you if we had

22:20 ↗ you it doesn't make any rules and

22:23 ↗ regulation so I will ask again are there

22:26 ↗ any questions concerns changes I have no

22:29 ↗ quarrels with what the city's put

22:31 ↗ forward for the docket for the earth

22:34 ↗ oh I need a motion to send the docket as

22:39 ↗ listed - like to make a motion to send

22:43 ↗ the proposed comprehensive plan

22:44 ↗ amendments for the 2020 docket the City

22:47 ↗ Council no I have a second what Robin

22:52 ↗ would you liked a second with somebody

22:53 ↗ second I'll second it

22:55 ↗ okay I have a motion on the floor to

23:00 ↗ send the docket as proposed to the City

23:03 ↗ Council all those in favor say aye

23:05 ↗ aye opposed hearing none the motion

23:09 ↗ passes and it goes forward exactly the

23:13 ↗ way it is nice thank you

23:16 ↗ before I leave I wanted to share with

23:21 ↗ you the land use code docket for this

23:25 ↗ year you don't have to vote on it

23:28 ↗ it's just informational I'm always

23:30 ↗ thinking that you all know what we're

23:33 ↗ working on but since you're not up to

23:35 ↗ your ears in this which is a good thing

23:38 ↗ trust me I wanted you all to see what

23:40 ↗ things that you've already worked on

23:42 ↗ that are coming through the pipe to

23:45 ↗ Council and the things that you have not

23:47 ↗ seen yet title 18 the land use code

23:50 ↗ update I think you saw just a brief

23:53 ↗ precursor last year on the sign code

23:56 ↗ part of it but but you haven't seen

24:00 ↗ anything else yet but you will certainly

24:03 ↗ this year when it's the drafts are

24:05 ↗ written and we start reviewing things

24:06 ↗ you'll see the whole land use code

24:09 ↗ update old town code amendments you saw

24:12 ↗ in September and you did a couple of

24:14 ↗ works sessions and you made your

24:16 ↗ recommendation to Council on September

24:18 ↗ those should be going to Council in

24:21 ↗ February I believe the code amendments

24:25 ↗ February 25th I think I put those in the

24:27 ↗ report section of your agenda the old

24:31 ↗ town architectural guidelines and design

24:34 ↗ standards you all have a meeting next

24:37 ↗ week with development commission it's

24:39 ↗ super exciting those are coming through

24:41 ↗ that's like the second part of Old Town

24:43 ↗ that you'll be working on and and then

24:46 ↗ number four is a traffic

24:47 ↗ I know that those also go after the

24:49 ↗ December February 12th meeting they also

24:51 ↗ go to City Council on February 25th it's

24:55 ↗ an Old Town night for a work session

24:57 ↗ though just for work session not further

24:59 ↗ yeah yeah you guys still have a lot of

25:01 ↗ work to do on those before we're ready

25:03 ↗ to have them approve anything but but

25:06 ↗ we're going to give them an update as

25:07 ↗ well and thanks to you all that we're at

25:10 ↗ the really great weather workshop and

25:13 ↗ tour in January that was a fabulous day

25:15 ↗ and that number four is something that

25:18 ↗ you already worked on that was back in

25:21 ↗ February of last year a year ago already

25:23 ↗ and that was the single-family suburban

25:25 ↗ zone where we looked at removing the

25:27 ↗ ability to build duplexes and cluster

25:29 ↗ housing that's still sort of bumping

25:32 ↗ along it's now being merged with the

25:35 ↗ missing middle housing research we're

25:38 ↗ doing on other types of housing that

25:40 ↗ might fill in some of the gaps that the

25:42 ↗ city doesn't have now and so the reason

25:45 ↗ that nothing has happened officially

25:47 ↗ with the work that you did is because

25:48 ↗ it's sort of morphing into more research

25:50 ↗ I mean if there's any questions on those

25:53 ↗ four those are the big four that we're

25:54 ↗ working on this year yes I don't know

25:58 ↗ whose hand went up first

26:03 ↗ I wasn't here at that time and I'm very

26:06 ↗ interested in number four could you

26:08 ↗ possibly send me some information on

26:10 ↗ what was done I could I think it would I

26:16 ↗ could yes I think it would be like had

26:20 ↗ too many thoughts coming through it's

26:22 ↗ changed a lot since you all saw it in

26:25 ↗ February in February last February it

26:28 ↗ was a real narrow question should do

26:31 ↗ should new duplexes be allowed to be

26:33 ↗ built in single-family suburban zones

26:36 ↗ through the cluster provision and it

26:39 ↗ went from a really small narrow focus

26:41 ↗ that you all saw and recommended on to

26:44 ↗ what other uses are in our single-family

26:47 ↗ neighborhoods that maybe shouldn't be

26:48 ↗ there is it only cluster provision is it

26:51 ↗ only duplexes is it you know so we sort

26:54 ↗ of broaden the research we've sort of

26:55 ↗ paused it and did some more research and

26:58 ↗ then the housing

26:59 ↗ strategy piece for this year one of them

27:01 ↗ is looking at the missing middle types

27:05 ↗ of houses like cottage housing courtyard

27:08 ↗ apartment type littler around you know

27:11 ↗ things that we don't have an is tu crois

27:13 ↗ but might be a really good fit to try to

27:15 ↗ get a little more density that that

27:17 ↗ would fit in a neighborhood but wouldn't

27:19 ↗ change the character so the

27:21 ↗ single-family suburban we kept that

27:23 ↗ research but we're adding to it so that

27:26 ↗ it's a bigger conversation instead of

27:29 ↗ just being so narrowly focus on just

27:31 ↗ duplexes and cluster in only one zone I

27:34 ↗ can still send you what you all did in

27:36 ↗ February but I don't want you to think

27:39 ↗ that it's still that narrow I was like

27:41 ↗ it was morphed into something that's

27:42 ↗ what you would send me would not be

27:45 ↗ informative right and it will definitely

27:47 ↗ have to come back to you all again

27:49 ↗ because it's changed so much since when

27:51 ↗ you first saw it but I wanted to remind

27:53 ↗ you that you did some great work back

27:55 ↗ then that caused a lot of people to

27:57 ↗ think a lot of different things so thank

27:59 ↗ you for that you opened up the can of

28:01 ↗ worms as it was but it was a good can to

28:03 ↗ open so that was super good any other

28:06 ↗ questions on any of the four yes that's

28:08 ↗ right yeah number three number three yes

28:12 ↗ the so we had a moratorium on

28:15 ↗ development during the moratorium the

28:18 ↗ city hired a consultant on architectural

28:21 ↗ guidelines and standards for central yes

28:23 ↗ central district this is essentially

28:27 ↗ trying to do for Old Town what was

28:30 ↗ already established or what we've got

28:31 ↗ done along the same lines is what we did

28:35 ↗ for this central district is that great

28:38 ↗ this is this is to give developers based

28:41 ↗ on what they want to do in recognition

28:45 ↗ of this code what they can do or the

28:47 ↗ zoning but this is going to be a

28:50 ↗ development out of what we did when we

28:53 ↗ walked around in the rain right you say

28:56 ↗ here if you want to do something in Old

28:59 ↗ Town here are your range of options with

29:02 ↗ regard to materials and colors right

29:04 ↗ that's what this is right and I'd say it

29:06 ↗ I'd add to that because it was a super

29:08 ↗ good summary is part of the moratorium

29:11 ↗ for central is that

29:13 ↗ projects were getting built that council

29:16 ↗ in the community if they didn't look

29:18 ↗ like they thought they would look they

29:19 ↗ were compliant but they correct correct

29:22 ↗ very delicate ferret thank you and so

29:25 ↗ and but those are commercial and

29:27 ↗ multi-family architectural but it's the

29:31 ↗ same thing in Old Town except it's

29:35 ↗ single family and we've never done that

29:37 ↗ before it was single-family but it's

29:38 ↗ it's not that there's pieces that have

29:41 ↗ it's a similar reason though is when we

29:44 ↗ did the sub area plan the old town sub

29:46 ↗ area plan a lot of the community was

29:48 ↗ worried that the charm and character and

29:50 ↗ what was diminishing and they wanted

29:53 ↗ something to stop that for new

29:56 ↗ development and so that's where these

29:58 ↗ came in so it's the same sort of tool

30:00 ↗ for you all like on Development

30:02 ↗ Commission to use or whoever it is

30:04 ↗ that's reviewing it to use to keep the

30:06 ↗ charm and character in bulk and height

30:08 ↗ that it's a four different zoning

30:10 ↗ categories and I also liked as we we

30:14 ↗ some of you most of you may know some of

30:16 ↗ you know it may not know that we already

30:18 ↗ have existing standards a design

30:21 ↗ standards for this cultural and business

30:24 ↗ district and the multifamily properties

30:26 ↗ east of sunset way so what we're doing

30:28 ↗ there it's not new it's a refreshing and

30:31 ↗ updating and bringing it more up to

30:34 ↗ speed with the way people work today so

30:38 ↗ that's what that part is and then the

30:39 ↗ other part is completely new with the

30:41 ↗ residential but super exciting and I

30:44 ↗ think you're all going to be there next

30:46 ↗ week so and when you get actually it

30:50 ↗ went out today you'll I when I asked you

30:53 ↗ for the RSVP I'd ask you for 6:30

30:55 ↗ because that's when we usually start but

30:57 ↗ as you know DC usually starts at 7:00 it

31:00 ↗ goes on to the midnight oh boy you guys

31:04 ↗ are tough but the cool thing about that

31:07 ↗ night is they're also scheduling in the

31:09 ↗ Eagle room workshop on traffic calming

31:13 ↗ in Old Town so it's like Old Town night

31:16 ↗ here that night and so from I think it

31:18 ↗ starts at 5:30 to

31:21 ↗ is in the Eagle room you can learn all

31:24 ↗ about what they're doing with traffic

31:25 ↗ calming in all town and things that

31:27 ↗ they're trying and how things are

31:28 ↗ working but you can go to that and still

31:31 ↗ come here at 7:00 to be with the

31:35 ↗ Development Commission on the old town

31:36 ↗ standards and and design guidelines so

31:39 ↗ it's like figure out that your whole

31:41 ↗ night you know bring a snack your whole

31:44 ↗ night can be old town all things great

31:46 ↗ and old town

31:47 ↗ so that's on tap for next Wednesday

31:50 ↗ it's gonna be exciting I'm telling you

31:51 ↗ are there other questions about code or

31:55 ↗ other things Before we jump into the

31:57 ↗ rules

32:00 ↗ what role does Planning Commission folks

32:03 ↗ who attend play what was yeah it's a

32:07 ↗ joint meeting is because we're just

32:10 ↗ starting is to let you all know what the

32:13 ↗ project is you and the Development

32:15 ↗ Commission because you all sort of help

32:17 ↗ make the rules and Development

32:19 ↗ Commission implements the rules when

32:21 ↗ they actually see a project come in and

32:23 ↗ a site plan and so we love to get you

32:26 ↗ guys together so that if you all have

32:29 ↗ this great idea we want to do X the

32:31 ↗ Development Commission members will say

32:33 ↗ oh but could you write it this way so

32:35 ↗ that it's easier for us to implement it

32:38 ↗ so we love to get the the two heads the

32:41 ↗ two groups together to help each other

32:43 ↗ make really good tools for development

32:45 ↗ so that it looks like the community

32:47 ↗ wants it to look so it'll be an update

32:49 ↗ on what happened on the workshop and

32:51 ↗ tour and the stakeholders meetings that

32:53 ↗ have gone before and then we'll talk

32:55 ↗ about the proposal how we think things

32:58 ↗ will move forward well the animal lobby

33:00 ↗ is sitting you know in a nice big view

33:02 ↗ so everybody's sitting together nobody

33:04 ↗ will be you know fighting for seats up

33:06 ↗ on the dais any other questions okay um

33:12 ↗ this is the end of my part at you

33:15 ↗ received the rules a draft in both

33:19 ↗ packets

33:24 ↗ the new up after the meeting where the

33:27 ↗ city clerk went over all of the rules

33:31 ↗ that were there and anything proposed

33:33 ↗ and you all have input and the minutes

33:37 ↗ are in here the changes that you

33:41 ↗ requested and I'd like to know if when

33:44 ↗ you read the when a copy if if that all

33:50 ↗ of the things that you wanted on the

33:53 ↗ language that was in it that you want to

33:55 ↗ change has been incorporated into the

33:57 ↗ new set any thoughts or changes that

34:04 ↗ that you want to offer I think

34:08 ↗ everything well did you say tat tina

34:12 ↗ coming i think that this new language is

34:15 ↗ helps us and is much clearer as to how

34:19 ↗ we want to operate we were operating on

34:21 ↗ a model that was obviously incorrect

34:22 ↗ with our bylaws because we had read it

34:24 ↗ differently and so i think this helped

34:26 ↗ clears up some confusion so i I like it

34:31 ↗ I also think that we kind of missed a

34:33 ↗ step last time and it kind of occurred

34:36 ↗ to me that the Robins voice wasn't heard

34:40 ↗ and that was one of the reasons that

34:42 ↗ this kind of all came about and I wanted

34:44 ↗ to apologize to Robin because we were

34:47 ↗ operating on a model that was incorrect

34:48 ↗ and when we had our vote I think that

34:51 ↗ you participated in a way that we all

34:54 ↗ did and that we're happy to have you a

34:56 ↗ part of it and I'm sorry that your voice

34:58 ↗ wasn't counted in a way that I should

35:00 ↗ have but it will be in the future

35:04 ↗ I think that's of all the things I read

35:07 ↗ and I appreciated some of the language

35:09 ↗ changes but I didn't think they were

35:11 ↗ major but I think the biggest thing that

35:14 ↗ is different was the fact that from the

35:18 ↗ first day I got on planning policy which

35:20 ↗ was 100 years ago it was always you had

35:25 ↗ to have a quorum and if you had four

35:28 ↗ people regular members in the quorum the

35:31 ↗ alternates didn't need the vote

35:33 ↗ and so I think that was that's the

35:35 ↗ biggest change that now all seven people

35:38 ↗ you can fill in for anybody of the seven

35:42 ↗ people and you have seven votes no

35:44 ↗ matter what so I think that's to me that

35:46 ↗ was the biggest change in there

35:50 ↗ anything else Benny I'm not certain that

35:55 ↗ this is directly related to the rules

35:58 ↗ but if we could go to page 2 of 25 in

36:03 ↗ the agenda I I just would like a little

36:08 ↗ explanation a little clarity on a

36:13 ↗ segment of number 2 that is in bold it's

36:17 ↗ I'm not real I'm not certain that I'm

36:20 ↗ completely understand council action was

36:23 ↗ not consistent with PPC recommendation

36:33 ↗ thank you for asking this is the new

36:35 ↗ section on the agenda that reports what

36:37 ↗ council does with all the information

36:39 ↗ and I want to be clear I think that's a

36:42 ↗ really good idea right I think it is - I

36:45 ↗ agree and what I wanted to be sure you

36:48 ↗ understood was when council goes with

36:52 ↗ your recommendation when they agree with

36:53 ↗ you and take the same action that you

36:55 ↗ recommended I want you to know that and

36:57 ↗ I want you to also know if they don't so

37:00 ↗ that if if you want to follow up with

37:03 ↗ any of the council or if you want to

37:05 ↗ follow up with us or watch that then you

37:07 ↗ know watch the tape watch the YouTube of

37:09 ↗ the meeting that then you know sort of

37:11 ↗ what you're going to see is that there

37:13 ↗ and in this case of the the three

37:16 ↗ parcels for Providence next to

37:17 ↗ Providence point you PBC had recommended

37:20 ↗ that one of them be changed rezone to

37:24 ↗ community facilities open space but that

37:26 ↗ the other two remain the same zoning so

37:29 ↗ that there couldn't be a high school but

37:31 ↗ the council didn't go that way they

37:33 ↗ recommended that all three of them be

37:35 ↗ reasoned and redesignate it so it could

37:37 ↗ be community facilities facilities so

37:40 ↗ there would be able to be a proposal for

37:42 ↗ a high school I just the reason that was

37:45 ↗ bold as to catch your attention that

37:47 ↗ they didn't go with your recommendation

37:49 ↗ but they did on the other ones I think

37:51 ↗ it's I think it's particularly useful

37:53 ↗ for us and I don't I can't speak for

37:56 ↗ everybody else but I'd like to know what

37:57 ↗ happens when we spend the time that we

37:59 ↗ do and send a recommendation to the

38:02 ↗ mayor and the county

38:03 ↗ and they don't they don't follow it I

38:05 ↗ think it's helpful to understand so we

38:08 ↗ don't continue to make the same you know

38:11 ↗ the same we understand why something

38:15 ↗ that we recommended was not accepted by

38:17 ↗ our customer right right but be aware

38:21 ↗ though if you do watch the the video

38:24 ↗ they talk about your recommendation I

38:26 ↗ did which I was I thought that was

38:29 ↗ really great that they they pulled it

38:31 ↗ apart and thought about it and pondered

38:32 ↗ it and I was very proud that you guys

38:34 ↗ went on your own and said this is how it

38:36 ↗ ought to be so I was proud of you all I

38:40 ↗ want to follow up on that I am I am

38:43 ↗ amazed at the the power that the council

38:50 ↗ basically gives us in the way of looking

38:54 ↗ at the recommendations and and how they

38:58 ↗ present the different issues of what the

39:04 ↗ PBC say you know we want to make sure

39:06 ↗ that they you know we know what we want

39:09 ↗ to know what their they're thinking what

39:11 ↗ their comments are on it so I really

39:13 ↗ appreciate that I think it's a testament

39:16 ↗ to the questions that you ask and the

39:18 ↗ concern you have for the different

39:20 ↗ issues you tear it apart which is what

39:23 ↗ you're supposed to do so I think you do

39:26 ↗ a good job and of course staff does and

39:31 ↗ our scribe does so I didn't hear anybody

39:49 ↗ that wanted any changes made to it

39:52 ↗ everything is fine the way it has

39:54 ↗ written

39:59 ↗ I looked today at procedures for all of

40:05 ↗ the Commission's when it comes to the

40:07 ↗ public public hearing and I was really

40:11 ↗ surprised that there's no uniformity

40:15 ↗ it's sometimes it's at the end of the

40:16 ↗ meeting sometimes it's after the

40:18 ↗ applicant makes a yeah I know

40:23 ↗ glad you brought that up this is this

40:24 ↗ part of it but is there a particular

40:28 ↗ reason and I know I brought this up

40:31 ↗ before but it seems to me that again it

40:36 ↗ would be helpful for members of the

40:39 ↗ public that attend a meeting and that

40:41 ↗ have done their homework to have an

40:43 ↗ opportunity to present to speak to

40:46 ↗ Commission's plural but particularly for

40:48 ↗ this one before we before we go into

40:51 ↗ discussion of it so we have the benefit

40:53 ↗ of public input and I don't know if that

40:57 ↗ you know participation section 6 on 21

41:01 ↗ of 25 talks about the public

41:04 ↗ participation and excuse me but there's

41:07 ↗ no there's no direction about maybe

41:14 ↗ what's the most desirable point in our

41:16 ↗ meetings for the there to be the

41:19 ↗ opportunity for members of the public to

41:21 ↗ speak right so is that just apparently

41:24 ↗ up to the individual Commission's to

41:26 ↗ decide when they want to do that is one

41:29 ↗ section 9 at the bottom of page 22 is

41:33 ↗ the second and I think the clerk's

41:36 ↗ office is trying to get all the

41:38 ↗ Commission's to be consistent and so

41:41 ↗ like for tonight as a matter of course

41:45 ↗ we had a public hearing so there would

41:47 ↗ have been a chance on that topic but

41:49 ↗ then we have audience comments at the

41:51 ↗ end so if someone wanted to talk to you

41:53 ↗ about a previous decision or old town or

41:56 ↗ something that's not actually on the

41:57 ↗ public hearing piece that's when they

42:00 ↗ would get to ask or tell you whatever it

42:03 ↗ is that they want to tell you so on

42:05 ↗ public hearing nights there's two

42:06 ↗ chances for folks to tell you but on

42:09 ↗ other nights where we don't have a

42:10 ↗ public hearing they have audience

42:12 ↗ comments that they can that help at the

42:14 ↗ end at the end right and are you

42:17 ↗ thinking that they should talk to a

42:18 ↗ sooner no I'm not I just think that if

42:23 ↗ people come to speak to Anna

42:26 ↗ item that it seems to me to be best for

42:30 ↗ our presentation if they have an

42:34 ↗ opportunity to express their concerns or

42:37 ↗ the research or whatever before we

42:39 ↗ actually start discussions ourselves so

42:42 ↗ this on this looks good to me okay it's

42:47 ↗ there so but I just noticed that all the

42:50 ↗ Commission's there's no uniformity there

42:52 ↗ some of nine lace and some of the other

42:54 ↗ I think that's one of the reasons that

42:56 ↗ the clerk's are coming around to try to

42:59 ↗ get more consistency with all of us

43:01 ↗ because I think it we didn't notice as

43:03 ↗ much until some members started being on

43:05 ↗ other boards and commissions and

43:07 ↗ realizing that many of them do things

43:08 ↗ differently okay thank you

43:11 ↗ well then just following up on that so

43:12 ↗ next Wednesday the combined meeting but

43:15 ↗ there's no it's not essentially in the

43:18 ↗ same car sense that we're having now

43:19 ↗ it's not a commission meeting you know

43:23 ↗ of course of events where public would

43:27 ↗ be able to comment is that right they

43:29 ↗ would be public hearing but at the end

43:31 ↗ I'm sure after we do our presentation I

43:34 ↗ think that agenda says that it's maybe

43:36 ↗ at 9:00 because we start at 7:00 so I

43:38 ↗ think at 9:00 there's audience comments

43:42 ↗ for next one stations don't you have a

43:44 ↗ different process and the development

43:47 ↗ Commission is not an issue that might

43:49 ↗ come up next Wednesday then so nobody's

43:52 ↗ gusting wind the heck they're going to

43:53 ↗ talk right no cuz we've sent the agenda

43:55 ↗ out already and it looks very similar to

43:57 ↗ a PPC agenda yes it was emailed today

44:05 ↗ this afternoon so I have a question when

44:09 ↗ I read that it says approval minutes and

44:13 ↗ that goes right into a public hearing

44:15 ↗ I'm assuming that the presentation comes

44:20 ↗ before the public hearing public hearing

44:24 ↗ would be everything that's involved in

44:25 ↗ the public hearing like tonight it was

44:27 ↗ oh

44:29 ↗ in an answer that's a part of it because

44:31 ↗ when I read that I thought well gee no

44:33 ↗ you have to have the presentation and

44:34 ↗ write so that we can understand both

44:38 ↗ sides of right and that's all part of

44:40 ↗ that okay that one section now that

44:42 ↗ you've said it that way and it since you

44:45 ↗ all are the first group that we did the

44:47 ↗ reports section on it if there's more

44:50 ↗ that you would want like I put the link

44:54 ↗ a live link to the ordinances in case

44:58 ↗ you wanted to dig deeper I don't know if

45:00 ↗ you would want more than that I have the

45:02 ↗ link to the website and you know I kind

45:05 ↗ of tend to give you all the information

45:07 ↗ I can think of to give you and if

45:09 ↗ there's more that you want let me know

45:11 ↗ but that's sort of what we're thinking

45:12 ↗ would be the standard reports section

45:16 ↗ there might be some issue that comes up

45:20 ↗ that might need more okay but I think

45:24 ↗ this gives us a general idea and if we

45:27 ↗ want more information we know where to

45:29 ↗ get it so okay okay I think it was new I

45:32 ↗ would ask unless somebody else has a

45:35 ↗ different okay ponder what more open

45:40 ↗ again if somebody wants to do a deeper

45:43 ↗ dive it can be brought up okay perfect I

45:56 ↗ was like I got I would like to make a

46:01 ↗ motion to approve the Planning Policy

46:03 ↗ Commission rules and regulations well

46:06 ↗ second any further discussion all those

46:11 ↗ in favor say aye opposed excellent oh

46:21 ↗ man no okay I was so interested in

46:26 ↗ making sure that it I forgot okay so

46:29 ↗ second other business the next meeting

46:33 ↗ is Wednesday it's gonna be an exciting

46:35 ↗ night so be prepared for lots of

46:38 ↗ excitement a lot of you know the DC

46:40 ↗ members it's

46:41 ↗ to be exciting you ready yes on the we

46:47 ↗ have some we have some meetings in the

46:50 ↗ calendar that don't be a TBD going in

46:54 ↗ next year yes is it possible or what is

47:00 ↗ the mechanism if it is possible what is

47:02 ↗ the mechanism if we want to get the head

47:05 ↗ of the transportation effort huh a

47:11 ↗ mobility plan right to give us before we

47:15 ↗ have either during or before we have an

47:19 ↗ upcoming thing that is going to look

47:21 ↗ specifically at a transportation issue

47:23 ↗ do we have the does this commission have

47:26 ↗ the opportunity to say we you know why

47:29 ↗ don't let's at this TBD meeting can we

47:31 ↗ have that person come in and and see the

47:34 ↗ agenda I don't at least part of the

47:36 ↗ meeting talking to us how does we have

47:38 ↗ him on form a no I'm not talking about

47:40 ↗ specific so I'm saying if there's

47:43 ↗ something that's not already scheduled

47:44 ↗ or I do wondering if there's a way to

47:46 ↗ fill we have some space can i how do I

47:49 ↗ make a suggestion of something I'm

47:51 ↗ interested in

47:53 ↗ whether it be city staff or another

47:55 ↗ Commission if you wanted me with the

47:56 ↗ Transportation Board you're saying if

47:57 ↗ you have an interest if the whole

47:59 ↗ Commission does the right that it would

48:01 ↗ depend on if it's in our work plan

48:03 ↗ because like let's say you wanted to

48:06 ↗ start working on I can't even think of

48:10 ↗ something I'm if it's not already in our

48:13 ↗ work plan we probably wouldn't be able

48:15 ↗ to because of our resources and all that

48:18 ↗ they wouldn't want us all of a sudden

48:19 ↗ going off and do another direction but

48:21 ↗ if it's certainly if it's something that

48:22 ↗ that we're all working on or we're going

48:25 ↗ to be working on we couldn't try and

48:27 ↗ make that happen

48:28 ↗ like if it's on a housing or if it's not

48:30 ↗ on you know something that were

48:31 ↗ something within the purview of the pp

48:33 ↗ saying I wouldn't right right he's

48:34 ↗ curious how would he bring that up as he

48:36 ↗ proposed it to staff does he propose it

48:38 ↗ here if he has something he's interested

48:39 ↗ in and he's wondering what the mechanism

48:41 ↗ is - or does that something that staff

48:43 ↗ determines just you guys working

48:44 ↗ together - no if you're interested in

48:47 ↗ you know but if it was something like

48:48 ↗ fire prevention that's probably out of

48:50 ↗ our purview but if it's some

48:52 ↗ you know I think you would just talk

48:53 ↗ about it here and I can run it up the

48:54 ↗ flagpole that's I would assume that that

48:57 ↗ would be a at the consent the desire of

48:59 ↗ the full commission I mean not not a new

49:01 ↗ individual commissioner right somebody

49:04 ↗ says hey so do we would we I say I have

49:07 ↗ a an order a business that I'd like to

49:11 ↗ discuss could it since we're going to be

49:13 ↗ looking at X and a month would it be

49:16 ↗ possible on this TV this to be

49:18 ↗ determined date to have you know a staff

49:22 ↗ head or in that department come in and

49:25 ↗ talk to us and then if the Commission

49:27 ↗ thanks to you that would be helpful we

49:30 ↗ can try it share the invitation we can

49:34 ↗ party here one of these days to your

49:42 ↗ question Randy what you're proposing is

49:45 ↗ let's say you want to discuss the fire

49:49 ↗ situation No okay go ahead it's quite it

49:52 ↗ has to be in the in the wrong in the in

49:55 ↗ the purview of the planning policy

49:56 ↗ Commission land use things like that

49:58 ↗ right so and then maybe have the fire

50:01 ↗ department come in or someone like that

50:02 ↗ with expertise to be able to talk some

50:04 ↗ talk about that I'm not gonna go back to

50:08 ↗ what could be like when you all were

50:10 ↗ doing the wireless code amendment and

50:13 ↗ there was a question about um some folks

50:16 ↗ wanted you know the whole future of

50:18 ↗ wireless and you know what about this

50:20 ↗ and that and the other which was you

50:22 ↗ know super fascinating but it was way

50:24 ↗ out of the realm of the code amendments

50:26 ↗ and so we couldn't do that but we could

50:29 ↗ do you know we had the providers here

50:31 ↗ and they talked about what they needed

50:32 ↗ and we talked about the code and we

50:34 ↗ talked about our poles and things so in

50:36 ↗ that sense we still talked about the

50:39 ↗ issue that you needed to talk about for

50:41 ↗ the code amendment but we weren't

50:42 ↗ talking about the technology part of it

50:45 ↗ and things that was going in what you

50:46 ↗ could do it better than all those things

50:48 ↗ so I think it depends on the topic oh

50:51 ↗ you're a part of the topic does that

50:52 ↗ help to the Commission that they wanted

50:56 ↗ that we want to do that right I just I'm

50:59 ↗ not sure what the mechanism

51:01 ↗ I would just bring it up at whatever

51:03 ↗ part of the agenda this is of other

51:04 ↗ things other new business

51:07 ↗ thank you if it doesn't have to happen

51:09 ↗ to be on our agenda at that on that

51:12 ↗ specific date never assuming we could

51:15 ↗ ask at the end of every meeting if there

51:17 ↗ was some issue that he wanted more

51:19 ↗ information on or as a standard thing so

51:26 ↗ if you could put that at the end of our

51:29 ↗ agenda I can't add a new section but it

51:33 ↗ can be under the last section which is I

51:35 ↗ think is it good of the order no it's

51:38 ↗ called other business and announcements

51:41 ↗ thank you number six are there Randy or

51:46 ↗ are you just asking okay I certainly

51:48 ↗ have one that I would be very interested

51:51 ↗ in so next meeting then is appropriate

51:55 ↗ to bring up something of personal

51:58 ↗ interest which I think is in the purview

52:00 ↗ of the Planning Commission and we can

52:02 ↗ just talk about is that is that the part

52:04 ↗ of the process right and it probably

52:05 ↗ wouldn't be the next meeting because

52:07 ↗ it'll be with Development Commission the

52:10 ↗ next one that's just a little right all

52:13 ↗ right all right we want to be on very

52:14 ↗ good behavior than X and I want P to and

52:20 ↗ to clarify we will probably know because

52:22 ↗ we were so good in our meeting tonight

52:24 ↗ moving forward we won't be meeting on

52:26 ↗ the 27th we were thinking the 27th would

52:28 ↗ be a holdover if they continued 13th

52:32 ↗ would have been a holdover ah so as of

52:35 ↗ this moment because you got through the

52:37 ↗ public hearing and the recommendation

52:38 ↗ will cancel the February 13th regular

52:41 ↗ meeting of the Planning Policy

52:43 ↗ Commission thank you for reminding me

52:45 ↗ because I have to let Gretchen know we

52:46 ↗ were leaving it open in case the public

52:48 ↗ hearing something happened like floods

52:50 ↗ or whatever that we needed another date

52:52 ↗ to still get it to Council in March one

52:56 ↗ meeting next week only one meeting next

52:59 ↗ week sorry guys I know you wanted more

53:01 ↗ but only one said if everything I

53:03 ↗ remember every 13th it's like I didn't

53:05 ↗ see that on here you have any

53:09 ↗ idea what could possibly be on the 27th

53:14 ↗ the meeting on the 27 you can say no I

53:17 ↗ probably but doesn't say TBD yeah why

53:22 ↗ are there people that can't be here

53:24 ↗ already

53:25 ↗ I cannot be on the 22nd no joy okay

53:28 ↗ [Music]

53:33 ↗ but at this moment I don't have a

53:34 ↗ scheduled item things are moving but

53:37 ↗ they're not like gelled yet to bring to

53:39 ↗ you then that's all for anything no

53:48 ↗ interest that we've done the schedule

53:50 ↗ we've done audience comments I would

53:53 ↗ love to have audience comments if it's

53:58 ↗ the same I knew we'd like to make a

54:07 ↗ comment

54:07 ↗ otherwise we're done

54:11 ↗ everybody be safe out there yeah I'm I'm

54:16 ↗ I would like somebody to find some Sun

54:20 ↗ somewhere well it's always coming it's

54:24 ↗ just I wanted to come sooner

54:26 ↗ I mean Sunday with the possibility of

54:28 ↗ snow you know just in a just as a

54:33 ↗ positive thing I hope this comes across

54:35 ↗ as positive it's it was I drove around

54:38 ↗ today just to look to see and I think

54:41 ↗ the city you know the the work that the

54:43 ↗ city has done to expand the floodplain

54:46 ↗ and to try to mitigate 2009 when we had

54:51 ↗ the last thing like this it no data just

54:56 ↗ observation feels like it's working it

54:59 ↗ yeah yeah it seems to me that it would

55:02 ↗ have been the amount of rain that fell

55:04 ↗ the same as of about 2 o'clock as it was

55:07 ↗ in 2009 when we had it over Newport

55:10 ↗ Bridge like over the bridge so you know

55:14 ↗ it just seems to me that there is if you

55:16 ↗ look long term at what we were we were

55:18 ↗ and what we've done in the whole city

55:20 ↗ and the PPC and the the rest of it it

55:23 ↗ seems to me that it could have been a

55:25 ↗ lot worse if if the work hadn't been

55:26 ↗ done in the last was it six eight years

55:29 ↗ or whatever it was were you in the city

55:32 ↗ when we had one of these episodes and

55:35 ↗ there was this much water going down

55:38 ↗ Gilman boulevards and where atlas is now

55:42 ↗ that shopping center there was

55:44 ↗ underwater

55:45 ↗ yeah we jumped its banks and went with

55:50 ↗ that public work yeah cause a meeting at

55:55 ↗ 7:29 what Don thank you

56:06 ↗ you

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Council / Members (7)

Administration/Staff: Joan Probala

Trish Heinonen

Policy Planning Mgr. Ron Faul

Christen Leeson

Senior Planner Randy Harrison Andrea Snyder

Deputy City Administrator Joy Lewis Bill Rinehart Jason Voiss Robin Beukers

Alt. (voting) Commissioners Not Present: Janice Carle (Excused)