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Planning Policy Commission – Special Meeting Auto captions

Thursday, May 25, 2017

5:00 PM · 1h 56m · Council Chambers, 135 East Sunset Way, Issaquah WA
1. CALL TO ORDER
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Commission Membership
packet pp.3
Staff report:
Planning Policy Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Trish Heinonen, Planning Manager policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides Email guidance and direction for Issaquah’s future growth through continued review and improvement to the Regular Members City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related 2018 – Joy Lewis land use documents. 2018 – Jon Stob 2018 – Carl Swedberg Membership 2018 – Lindsey Walsh The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2019 – Joan Probala seven regular members, with four-year terms; and 2020 – Ron Faul several alternates, with two-year terms. All 2020 – Troy Rahmig members are appointed by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire Alternate Members April 30 of the year listed. For more information, 2018 – Victoria Hunt see IMC 18.03. 2018 – AJ McGauley 2018 – Althea Saldanha 2018 – Vacant
0:05 you
0:08 you
0:14 there we go good evening and welcome to
0:18 the shortened version of the planning
0:20 policy Commission for May the 21st fifth
0:25 where are you you need your a microphone
0:28 on C when you're away two weeks you just
0:35 forget the whole process and everything
0:37 is going on so let's start this over
0:40 again so welcome to the tour may 25th
0:43 meeting of the Planning Policy
0:45 Commission tonight we are going to have
0:48 a shortened version of what's going on
0:51 with the CIP and we have our fearless
0:54 leader Kurt to tell us why the city is
0:59 doing what it's doing what the plans are
1:01 going to be in the future
1:03 Kurt please take it on thank you very
1:06 much Kurt steam and transportation
1:07 manager here at the CIS cloth and I you
1:13 know we have an hour set aside we could
1:14 probably talk about this for many hours
1:16 and I just out of respect everyone's
1:18 time and I do want really to spend the
1:21 bulk of this time hearing from you and
1:26 having a conversation about any
1:27 questions or comments you have about our
1:30 either our process or our projects so
1:32 but I did want to take a few minutes
1:36 just to go through sort of a few basics
1:39 probably review for many of you but just
1:41 to make sure we get on the same page so
1:45 first of all the TI p is it's typically
1:48 it's a it's a so why do we do it it's
1:51 it's a it's our it's our plan for
1:55 transportation improvements it's
1:56 required there's an r CW 35 - 77 - 0 1 0
2:03 that requires cities to prepare T IPS
2:07 they're typically 6-year plans we
2:10 typically pay a lot more attention in
2:13 the in the projects that are in the that
2:18 we have more certainty either for
2:19 funding or what kind of project it is
2:22 and those are typically in the first few
2:23 years of the plan it's a very important
2:26 document for us
2:27 besides it being a state requirement but
2:31 it's it's important for funding
2:33 eligibility when grants and other
2:35 opportunities present themselves to have
2:37 an update and accurate TI PE that
2:39 reflects what our transportation goals
2:41 are for Issaquah is essential so that's
2:44 the reason we do it it helps it's aside
2:48 from being a state requirement it helps
2:49 us and helps us all get on the same page
2:52 as a community about what's most
2:54 important transportation wise for
2:56 project so and just process why I wanted
3:00 to talk a little bit about that because
3:03 in the past we have presented the TI P
3:07 as a sum of a standalone document and
3:10 this year what's different is the TI P I
3:13 don't know how how much you've been
3:16 involved in following our city's capital
3:19 improvement plan process but the way
3:25 we're looking at capital projects now is
3:27 citywide so what you have and you have
3:30 one of these we gave you one of these
3:33 right so this is actually this is this
3:39 is the proposed city's capital
3:42 improvement project that's a much larger
3:44 document than just this and and it
3:46 includes all of the capsule that's parks
3:48 and all of the capital projects that the
3:51 city would propose finance any capital
3:55 projects that we have are in this
3:57 document our portion of this is the
3:59 transportation part of that which has
4:03 quite extensive if you see it has a
4:05 project description and a product
4:07 proposed budget funding sheet for each
4:10 of the projects and it is actually
4:12 included in the larger CIP and so what
4:17 council has been doing is they met in a
4:19 one or more workshops I think they're
4:22 having to total and this will be coming
4:24 to them in a public hearing on June 5th
4:28 for a public hearing for the CIP and for
4:32 the TI P so it's a little confusing
4:34 except for if you want any about the CIP
4:38 sort of the overarching
4:39 larger capital project document and the
4:42 CIP resides within that so that makes
4:48 sense okay so far so good
4:50 so um as I did want to UM so like I said
4:55 there's a lot of projects in this
4:56 document and they vary in complexity in
5:00 detail and but I would like to highlight
5:03 so this is not a scientific list here
5:08 but I just I wanted to go through a
5:09 dozen or so projects just to kind of
5:12 give you a feel for what's in here and
5:13 these are projects that are on the
5:15 earlier side of the CIP so they're
5:18 projects that we're planning to get to
5:19 sooner than later in fact we have are
5:22 working on some of them as as we speak
5:24 so just just briefly the new so and
5:28 maybe old news to some of you but just
5:30 wanted to go through a few of these
5:32 projects so first is the and these are
5:35 not in a particular order they're just
5:36 meant to be representative of the kinds
5:38 of projects that you'll find in our GIP
5:41 so the Newport way Naples Street to
5:44 sunset is proposed to be about a twenty
5:47 three million dollar project it builds a
5:51 three lane roadway as you can see from
5:52 basically from April to sunset a lot of
5:56 these projects you'll see one of the
5:57 themes that's consistent I think through
6:00 many of these projects is that they're
6:01 multimodal so they're not it's not as
6:04 they're not necessarily all about
6:06 automobile capacity they may improve all
6:09 the automobile capacity but in many
6:11 cases besides doing that they're
6:14 constructing facilities that don't
6:17 currently exist so Newport ways you can
6:20 see here has really inadequate has no
6:23 bike lanes and inadequate sidewalks and
6:26 so this would improve that street for
6:30 all methods of travel it would it
6:32 proposes to treat intersections with
6:35 roundabouts and also will if we do
6:40 everything right we'll blend this
6:41 seamlessly with the developments that
6:43 come in along Newport so consistent with
6:47 a central Issaquah plan talked about
6:50 non-motorized condition
6:52 and the three lane section we know where
6:54 the roundabout control will improve
6:55 traffic flow as well and so this is just
6:58 so you know this is these are some
7:00 slides that we had from our budget
7:03 conversations and this ranking which we
7:05 can get into a bit more but that really
7:08 has more to do with with council
7:11 criteria which I did not I don't happen
7:14 to have those along with me tonight but
7:16 council Craig Council adopted criteria
7:18 for capital projects and within those
7:22 criteria there's a bunch of elements
7:24 within those criteria and those were
7:27 each of the projects were scored
7:28 according to those many criteria and
7:30 then assigned a ranking so I wouldn't
7:33 the ranking part I wouldn't worry too
7:37 much about this word acceptable it's
7:40 more about the ranking is more about
7:42 helping us helping the council helping
7:45 the community prioritize these projects
7:47 so that's that's what you'll this is
7:49 sort of a in here from the from the
7:52 budget discussion so that's one project
7:55 and then the other sort of complimentary
7:59 pair to that to Newport if you want to
8:01 think is the Newport section of Newport
8:04 that is west of 900 so from 900 to 54th
8:07 and you've probably heard a lot about
8:09 this there it's a it's a pretty high
8:12 priority corridor for the city there's
8:14 several new developments gateway and
8:18 reeva and Bergsma and maybe one or two
8:21 others that are happening along here
8:23 it's originally was built I think as I
8:27 understand it was the main east-west
8:30 highway going east of the minnow least
8:33 over the mountain so it's as you can see
8:35 it still sort of has that highway look
8:37 have some superelevation so that the
8:40 goal of this project is to go from this
8:43 sort of former highway residual highway
8:48 that's out there now to an urban street
8:50 section again with similar to the other
8:54 Newport 3 lanes bike lanes sidewalks
8:57 tying it in with a development that is
8:59 happening along there
9:01 and and we are actually on this project
9:04 we're starting work this year we're
9:07 having a couple workshops coming up - we
9:10 know this is a really high priority
9:12 project for the community and it has a
9:14 lot of community interest so were very
9:16 interested in working with a community
9:18 especially the neighborhood's the
9:20 neighbors the folks that live a long
9:22 newport that see the biggest impacts
9:24 both from the private development along
9:26 there and from any capital project that
9:29 we would build there and this is another
9:32 project this is you've seen this project
9:35 on the transportation bond last fall
9:38 this is a project that is Providence
9:41 point is is meant to more safely connect
9:46 the two sides of Providence point with a
9:48 signalized intersection provides better
9:51 motors motorist safety and pedestrian
9:54 safety at this at this connection in
9:58 that project the reason that this makes
10:02 sense to us to move forward on is it's
10:04 mostly designed it was it was actually
10:06 designed and just about ready to go out
10:08 to bid as I understand it and and for
10:11 whatever reason we didn't couldn't come
10:14 up with a funding so the project's been
10:15 on hold for some time now it would
10:18 require some amount of work to revisit
10:21 the plans and specs and bring them up to
10:23 current standards but the projects close
10:27 to being ready to be built so Gilman is
10:31 another project that's pretty a key we
10:34 think is a key important project for the
10:38 city it's a it's one of the main
10:41 east-west connections across the city
10:43 and ties in front Street to 900 as you
10:48 know from your trips up and down Gilman
10:51 oh there's some there's some issues with
10:53 access control and some confusing
10:55 driveways and and
10:58 cut conflicts with left turns and so we
11:01 know that this corridor needs a
11:03 comprehensive design and we're in fact
11:06 going out for a consultant to help us
11:08 start with that start to understand what
11:11 the what the work on Gilman should be
11:14 and what the constraints are and we're
11:16 going to do a lot of facts gathering a
11:17 lot of data gathering initially and then
11:20 again in engage the community on on what
11:24 the appropriate design for Gilman should
11:26 look like this is also important because
11:28 of a lot of land use that's potentially
11:33 plan these changes that can happen along
11:36 this corridor you've seen with atlas
11:38 being maybe the first one it's it's
11:41 going to be easier for us to condition
11:44 development and less confusing both the
11:46 staff and developers if we have an
11:48 overall corridor plan that we can point
11:50 to when developments come in and
11:52 hopefully when developments come in with
11:54 a plan then we can have them their
11:57 furniture improvements will presumably
11:59 construct portions of this as as
12:02 properties redevelop so complete streets
12:05 this is a project that's going to this
12:08 is a program project that's going to
12:10 some changes
12:10 initially Complete Streets or
12:13 historically Complete Streets have been
12:15 a variety of not mostly non motorized
12:18 improvements ad a crossings those kind
12:21 of site sidewalk gap type improvements
12:25 we're talking to currently talking to
12:26 council about what this program should
12:28 look like moving forward but again the
12:32 main focus of this project in here that
12:35 you'll see in here is is to improve
12:37 safety for non-motorized users just
12:44 question on the complete street yeah
12:46 what's difference between what's
12:47 covering the Complete Streets and then a
12:48 couple of other projects in the packet
12:50 that are just specifically bike lane and
12:52 freshman intersection improvements can
12:55 we can we come back to that that's a
12:58 great question I'd like to talk to you
13:00 about that a little bit because because
13:03 like I said we're
13:05 that's a great question and like I said
13:10 we're currently talking to Council about
13:12 what Complete Streets really mean so
13:15 appreciate that there may be a little
13:16 confusion on that so well don't lose
13:18 hope I thought so this is a this is
13:23 Emmaus is a significant project and we
13:26 don't know what this would totally be
13:28 but I just have it in here to sort of
13:30 give you a sort of a range giving idea
13:33 so we have projects that this is several
13:36 project the total five million this is
13:37 one project that totals nearly 50
13:39 million and so this would presumably do
13:43 something we don't know exactly what to
13:45 reconfigure that Front Street and i-90
13:48 getting started so wash dot is leading a
13:52 ijr which is an interchange
13:55 justification report that will look at
13:58 potential improvements or changes to
14:00 this intersection so we'll know more
14:03 what this project might be at the end of
14:06 that process which is I think slated to
14:08 be start almost immediately and be done
14:12 by the end of 2018 what's interesting
14:15 about the IJ and the reason I put this
14:17 slide in here what's interesting about
14:18 the ijr is it so it's it's so it's it's
14:24 called and it's it's focused as you can
14:26 see from the circle here on Front Street
14:28 the interchange at Front Street and i-90
14:33 as part of the IAR we're required to
14:36 look at as far west as 900 as far east
14:39 as that as the next interchange here and
14:42 so so we're really interested in that
14:44 because the city has a has a real
14:47 interest in a potential an additional
14:50 crossing of i90 somewhere in the
14:52 vicinity of we say between 10th and 12
14:55 somewhere Maple Street somewhere
14:57 somewhere roughly halfway between
15:00 between the two current interchanges so
15:03 that probably would not be an
15:05 interchange would probably be a crossing
15:07 but we think it's really important we
15:10 think it's really important for tying
15:13 the two sides of Issaquah together
15:14 better whether
15:15 the connection and it also could wear a
15:20 little were a little premature on this
15:21 perhaps that it could be an area where
15:24 light rail when light rail comes disc
15:27 law we're not sure where that's going to
15:29 come so that would getting some some
15:33 more clarity on a possible connection
15:35 here would be really important to us so
15:39 we're excited we're excited about
15:41 working with the state on this ijr
15:43 project not only for what it might mean
15:45 here but also what it could mean for an
15:48 additional crossing of i90 and then
15:51 won't talk too much about this it's a
15:53 project that's underway this is a big
15:55 project that is going to connect the
15:58 Pickering area the Costco area over to
16:00 East Lake Sammamish so kind of a
16:04 interesting sidelight about this as I
16:07 was just talking to Sheldon when our
16:08 public works director was after me about
16:10 this project and he mentioned that you
16:13 know roughly don't quote me on this but
16:16 roughly where our costs although it's a
16:18 40 million dollar project the city's
16:20 cost is roughly 10 cents on the dollar
16:22 so we're it's there's a bunch of grant
16:25 funding that's associated as project and
16:27 Costco is paying for a portion of it so
16:29 although it's a big price tag it it's a
16:31 it's an important connection again
16:33 a poor connection on now the north side
16:36 of i90 that is mostly funded by others
16:40 and then and then sort of you know close
16:44 nearby
16:45 near to that which is is sort of going
16:48 we're going to look at that after the
16:49 sixty second project is at this right
16:53 when you get off the freeway here at 900
16:55 this intersection where Tully's and
16:58 t-mobile is is not working working very
17:01 well now so this project anticipates
17:04 making improvements at that intersection
17:05 and then yeah that's just a this is in
17:12 here I think just to to give you another
17:14 type of project that we're looking at so
17:16 this is looking to support so this is
17:21 sort of a partly driven by the Central
17:26 Park but also the need for it
17:28 signalization better control especially
17:32 pedestrian crossing control along the
17:36 street so and that one small project
17:43 which is sort of to your point earlier
17:44 how is this different from Complete
17:47 Streets projects and and this is down by
17:50 the school and is meant to complete a
17:52 portion of missing link and sidewalks
17:56 small project again to help illustrate
18:00 sort of a range of projects and then I
18:02 think this is I think this is about our
18:05 last slide here another project on north
18:10 of the freeway that will sort of the
18:13 sort of the missing missing piece of to
18:15 21st so to 21st is improved to the north
18:18 of here and then the sixty second
18:20 project will make improvements south of
18:22 here so this is to bring this small
18:25 section of Street up to standards and to
18:27 match the rest of the improvements there
18:29 and then yeah I think this is keep
18:31 saying that last slide it so this is
18:34 this is what I was mentioning a moment
18:37 ago so this this is we think this is a
18:41 logical outcome of the interchange
18:45 justification report so it's a cross and
18:47 this isn't this is probably not right in
18:51 terms of being the accurate line but
18:54 it's probably is right in terms of the
18:56 general location and the biggest reason
18:59 the biggest benefit to us we feel is
19:01 that north-south on connectivity
19:04 oh I'm horse lazy daily hell so here's
19:10 it's sort of a different kind of project
19:12 not a not really a street project or a
19:15 multimodal project at all but just
19:19 acknowledging that we also need to be
19:22 doing Street repairs and maintenance and
19:24 this is a this is the retaining wall
19:25 that his that was originally through
19:29 King County a developer project and it
19:31 has some issues so we know that needs to
19:34 be repaired it needs to be repaired
19:35 obviously before it fails so that's
19:39 not a complete list but it's meant to
19:42 give you sort of a taste of kinds of
19:45 projects we're looking at that are in
19:46 the CIP so I'm going to stop there
19:53 okay so that's half I've used up half
19:56 your time so I'd be happy to to start
19:59 with your question or however you want
20:02 to do this I just have a quick question
20:04 we go through this every year and some
20:07 of the projects are go up or down
20:09 depending on the funding and the sources
20:12 and I I understand that a question just
20:20 went out of my mind are there any
20:23 projects that will be completed in the
20:29 next two years so well sure
20:36 so the completes so to start with the
20:38 Complete Streets projects there those
20:40 are those have typically been a number
20:42 of product number of smaller projects
20:44 four or five smaller projects we
20:46 completed four or five last year working
20:49 or we just went out to bid for another
20:52 four four or five projects this year
20:54 those are all small projects so those
20:56 typically get completed every year so
20:58 those are the kinds of projects that get
21:00 completed and those are off they're off
21:03 now they're on not on the list to do so
21:07 those are completed and also we're doing
21:09 so and when you correct and what so
21:11 that's a in a way that's a program type
21:15 project so there's new projects that so
21:17 there's there has historically been this
21:20 line item in here called Complete
21:22 Streets that's contains several small
21:24 projects non-motorized improvements
21:26 those get completed over here and then
21:28 there's new projects that councils been
21:30 funding those at something less than a
21:33 million dollars a year so that allows us
21:35 to build like I said four or five
21:37 smaller projects that get completed
21:38 every year there's some larger press so
21:41 we just completed East Lake Sammamish
21:44 Parkway improvements last year so that's
21:47 a project that we completed
21:50 so that was last year in the next two
21:53 years
21:53 to answer your question we'll be
21:55 completing the sixty second project
21:57 which is a huge big project for us
22:00 so that's slated to be complete by the
22:02 end of 2018 we are some of the other
22:07 projects we are actively moving forward
22:10 with design and/or preliminary design
22:13 for so we have grant funding to do
22:18 preliminary design for in 2018
22:22 for the new port way from April of
22:24 sunset so we're planning to do that
22:26 starting January 2018 we are working on
22:30 new port we're currently working on
22:32 preliminary design for new port from 900
22:36 to 54th and we are beginning designed
22:40 for Gilman so that's so that's not
22:46 exactly that well I guess that incident
22:50 does that answer your question so
22:52 there's a lot of projects in the works
22:53 some of them are construction projects
22:55 some of them are in other phases but
22:58 there's a lot of there's a lot of
22:59 projects moving forward
23:00 currently no I don't have my paperwork
23:05 from last year so I could compare the
23:09 two is there a way to get copies of both
23:12 of them just true I know we have some
23:14 new members on the committee and they
23:19 need to understand the process of going
23:21 up and down and how you get at you know
23:24 they might be important but you have no
23:26 funding so you can't do them but why you
23:30 know the question thought we need if
23:32 it's dangerous we need to have it fixed
23:34 and if there's no money to fix it we buy
23:39 it off for three years yeah we can get
23:42 you some information
23:43 oh just just as a basis point and 221st
23:49 is being worked on now so next year the
23:55 big bear isn't that true 25 right so I
23:58 can do this if I can go back here so
24:01 there's a portion right so there's a
24:07 portion here so here's this is where
24:15 that taco time there that's blocked off
24:19 so I know they're diggin halls and
24:23 another 60 seconds right the businesses
24:26 are open to shirt because they get they
24:29 got to rebuild those so so 221st is open
24:32 to to the to the businesses to be clear
24:35 and but you cannot you're not going to
24:38 be able to go through there and so 221st
24:43 is it a portion is that is it's actually
24:46 the sixty second project a portion of
24:49 that roadway at fourth basically is
24:52 getting constructed as portion as a part
24:55 of the sixty second project but there is
24:58 this one sort of left remnant peace
25:01 between the sixty second project and the
25:05 existing improves to 21st on the north
25:08 which is this piece which will not be
25:11 which will not be finished off by the
25:13 sixty second project so that's why it's
25:15 in here it's sort of it's the it's the
25:18 remaining kinda clarify yeah so there's
25:20 so there's project here this parts built
25:23 out and then there's a sort of a remnant
25:25 piece between 60 our 60 second project
25:29 and the improved portion of to 21st can
25:33 I add any question oh yeah I got a lot
25:36 of questions go for it should I look at
25:39 you okay okay so first of all the sixty
25:46 second project which is score number
25:50 eighty what does whether is a score mean
25:54 and then the priority I see says
25:56 desirable acceptable referable and
25:59 that's the one thing we've I'd be would
26:02 be so the 62nd is already underway is it
26:06 not so you're looking at this sheet
26:09 right here at grass so this is
26:14 reasonable I'm asking is because why
26:16 would we even be looking at that in this
26:18 study except for background information
26:23 well it's it's it's been approved and
26:26 then we're under way I suppose it's in
26:28 here because the funding is is is part
26:31 of our budget so to to to back up just a
26:36 little so what you're seeing here as I
26:39 mentioned earlier is a portion of the
26:42 city's capital improvement project and
26:45 this format and this score and priority
26:50 column over here is something that is
26:53 new for all of us and it is meant to
26:58 across all departments from provide a
27:02 uniform scoring and a these words have
27:06 meaning in I'd be very happy to get your
27:10 budget document that talks of it that
27:13 shows that what these words mean and
27:14 that kind so but it's it's the words are
27:19 kind of a little if yes it would be
27:24 helpful if you provided the detailed
27:25 band this coin so waiting I'd be happy
27:28 to do that
27:28 the words are come out of that document
27:30 this is a portion of the city's capital
27:33 project approach project and the idea of
27:36 the scoring of course is to to
27:38 prioritize these awareness is the work
27:40 that council has been doing to they
27:44 either can agree with these ranking and
27:46 scoring or not these criteria and the
27:49 scoring and the wording here is the
27:52 result of our finance department working
27:55 with Council to come up with those
27:57 criteria so those are not our criteria
28:00 those
28:02 citywide council adopted criteria on how
28:05 to look at projects oh and yes
28:08 absolutely we can get you that it's a
28:11 one it's I yes it's a one page sheet
28:14 it's pretty self-explanatory they can
28:17 absolutely get that for you
28:18 it just seems a little misleading that
28:19 it's ranked number eighty and it's
28:22 considered desirable yeah it's already
28:25 on right away but even if we said no you
28:29 can't pull like it right so committed so
28:32 yeah you're right and so I think it
28:35 would the only thing I can I'm I wish
28:39 you had I wish we could give that to get
28:41 that to you I wish you had that tonight
28:43 but it makes more sense if you look at
28:46 how if you look at the criteria in the
28:47 scoring and the the sheets that were
28:50 developed by the council and the
28:52 criteria so I appreciate your comments
28:56 about sixty Seconds like what does that
28:58 really mean the projects under
28:59 construction shouldn't either be off the
29:01 list or it's scored at a hundred percent
29:03 but this is this is the way when you
29:05 apply the criterion of scoring this is
29:07 the way it came out I think it's
29:09 important to see because it's a large
29:11 chunk of the 2018 projected spending I
29:14 think I think will be helpful million
29:16 dollars able to clarify between what's
29:17 committed and fully funded versus what
29:20 is desirable but not necessarily
29:21 committed yeah and understand how much
29:24 wiggle room we have yeah and so we've
29:28 never and so just then this is this is
29:32 this isn't it may be super helpful to
29:35 you but this is all this is all new that
29:37 we're all said all sort of a work in
29:39 progress systems we're doing this now
29:41 for the first time citywide so so I
29:43 don't know that any of us are the expert
29:45 on it but I can certainly share with you
29:47 the information that was used to come up
29:49 with a scoring that was developed with
29:53 the finance department and the City
29:55 Council of course I also have a question
29:58 here about the three trails crossing
30:00 between which is number sixty one point
30:03 one and one so look I noticed this
30:05 swatted out for twenty twenty two so
30:08 it's on the it's on the five-year plan
30:10 which
30:11 I'm thankful for one is there a reason
30:18 why it's out to 2022 and can that be
30:20 pulled in if so how close can we move
30:25 that in if so and that's a good that's
30:28 isn't that one already in the works so
30:31 so yeah so the three trails crossing as
30:35 a as it was a little bit of a an outlier
30:38 in the sense that it has been planned
30:41 and budgeted for for some time in our
30:43 plan and I think after after this was
30:48 developed and through it started through
30:51 the process we we reached an agreement
30:54 with the developer acid on the north
30:57 side of that intersection for three
30:59 trails and so what they're going to do
31:01 is build a signal at three trails which
31:04 is a bulk of what we wanted to do here
31:07 and move the Grom pedestrian crossing to
31:10 the from the West
31:13 to that intersection and so and the city
31:15 is going to pay a portion of those
31:17 improvements I think about 375,000
31:19 something like that and the developer is
31:21 going to pay the rest it what it doesn't
31:23 so there's probably so what's in here is
31:26 probably not accurate and in fact but
31:30 there's probably don't forget that's
31:32 completely figured out at this point
31:34 but there's probably a project in here
31:37 in going forward but you'll see next
31:40 year let's say that it's called
31:41 something like three trails crossing
31:43 because what the developer is not making
31:45 improvements to or changes to the south
31:48 side of that intersection so there may
31:50 be the need for improvements so you know
31:53 how to defer and rainier come in there
31:55 is kind of a kind of awkward so so
31:58 they're going to build a signal for that
32:01 intersection that is functional and safe
32:03 and is a good connection for the trail
32:05 but it doesn't address the south side so
32:10 there's still sort of a say is a sort of
32:14 a modified version if you want a new
32:17 version of three trails crossing project
32:19 that needs to be in here for next years
32:22 and and which year that goes in is a
32:24 good question
32:25 this is really nothing more than a
32:27 placeholder because when we first
32:29 developed this was before the developer
32:31 yes okay I mean so this is right this is
32:37 it you can imagine this up so it's not
32:39 all the art we have a lot of projects in
32:41 our list there's a whole list is even
32:44 bigger so it's quite a and because we're
32:47 doing it for the first time this year
32:48 it's been quite an effort just to get
32:50 the whole document together and so
32:52 there's been some hard deadlines on when
32:55 things could get in here and when they
32:57 could be moved around and changed and so
32:59 there's some things in here that even
33:01 though this is fairly recent have have
33:04 actually there's been some changes
33:05 already before this is even adopted so I
33:09 think that you will find that for these
33:14 projects have not had their
33:16 environmental study they haven't done
33:18 all the work that needs to be done and I
33:20 will guarantee you that all of them are
33:22 going to be changed in some way but
33:24 until we get the funding in order to do
33:27 that you know even talking about why
33:31 you're doing this or why you're doing
33:33 that doesn't lead to an answer that
33:36 you're going to be happy with because
33:38 there will be no specific answer but
33:41 they're going to be changed and they're
33:42 all going to come back next year and
33:44 you're going to go through the same
33:45 process well yeah we thought we could
33:49 get the funding here and the grant here
33:52 but no it's not coming to fruition so
33:54 we're moving that project down the line
33:56 and this one which nobody thought was
33:59 really important has full funding so
34:01 that moves up to the top so anyway I
34:04 could yeah that's what that's that's
34:07 very well plated so it's you know it's a
34:11 it's a there's funding in here there's
34:15 assumptions made about grants and types
34:18 of funding that we think you might get
34:19 there's assumptions made about when we
34:21 can do this work but it's not it's not
34:26 the last word on on transportation
34:29 projects we look at this every year
34:31 we're constantly thinking about ways to
34:33 fund them and update these plans so but
34:35 so this is a once a year time where
34:38 this plan comes to you for your comment
34:41 for you to review and ask questions and
34:43 but it's it's an add to the process and
34:46 anything that absolute these guys say
34:49 will be you know put in the record so
34:52 you have em to look at yes so in your
34:55 future things as you like so yes we've
34:58 got one last question for you for
35:01 Newport maple the sunset huh
35:05 I know at the I think it's ins would
35:07 development is going to be paying for or
35:11 lease a substantial portion for a
35:13 roundabout Creek how committed are we to
35:20 do the full and tire build-out of that
35:22 road as opposed to ripping the concrete
35:26 ripping up the asphalt to just do a new
35:28 top because from what I understand from
35:31 what I've heard from people is that the
35:32 road itself underneath may be wearing
35:36 out and so it we're kind of stuck with
35:39 doing and not a recap but maybe a new
35:41 road but do we really need all the other
35:44 improvements that go along with that and
35:47 we just stick with being a road in well
35:51 we the way the project is is scoped and
35:56 the and what the what our grant money is
35:58 based on is is what you see here so it's
36:01 fundamentally different roadway than
36:04 what's out there now it won't the
36:07 footprint of this road almost double by
36:08 the time you add additional Lane bike
36:10 lanes multi multi grass and whatnot so
36:12 it's right you know not not even not
36:15 even with the roundabouts and the
36:16 roundabouts are a major improvement but
36:18 you're also almost doubling the right of
36:20 way it's all the other improvements it's
36:22 the yes sidewalk and bike lanes in the
36:24 third Lane which could be some cases
36:27 that may be a median some cases that may
36:29 be a turn lane it correct me if I'm
36:32 wrong I thought of the transportation
36:33 levy that that was pitched as it was
36:34 going to be a southbound lane there
36:35 gonna be cheese outside right I found
36:37 and that's something we'll be looking at
36:39 so there's currently a southbound lane
36:40 I'm not carry Memphis on my head how far
36:43 south that goes but that's something
36:45 there are two southbound lanes you're
36:47 absolutely right and
36:48 the the length of how far those go is
36:51 something I think we're going to want to
36:52 revisit so it's so it's going to be
36:54 three lanes but whether that's two
36:55 southbound or turn lanes is to be
36:57 determined
36:58 yeah that's something we need to look at
37:00 reports and like I said our plan now
37:02 with a there was a confusion at PS or C
37:07 about which projects regionally we're
37:09 going to get funded in which year is
37:10 that we just found out here this last
37:12 week that this project has funding for
37:15 the initial design for 2018 so we're
37:19 excited to move forward on that in 2018
37:21 so so the 2018 number and the 2019
37:25 numbers what does that do
37:30 1.1 or almost a one point two in the
37:34 four hundred thousand what kind of work
37:37 does that do because those are pretty
37:38 low numbers compared to the love and
37:40 million which is in 2020 wait wait
37:42 well I'd have to go back and look at the
37:44 backup for this but I think that in
37:46 general those first three years so the
37:50 1.1 if 400,000 and the two million are
37:54 in combination meant to do the all of
38:00 the design work and probably right away
38:02 acquisition is that that's that would be
38:04 our plan and I'm I'm thinking from the
38:08 way this looks and my recollection that
38:10 the construction part of the project so
38:13 the almost 12 million and then the 9
38:15 million in 21 and 22 would be the
38:18 construction dollars for that project so
38:20 this is the preliminary environmental
38:23 design right away acquisition elements
38:27 in the first three years here is any
38:30 portion of this already granted because
38:33 I know this was on the transportation on
38:36 right also they have PSR C funding for a
38:40 portion of this I think it's one point I
38:42 think it's I'd have to go back and look
38:45 at the numbers I think it's it's it may
38:48 be the one point one or maybe actually
38:50 the grant money maybe I want to say it
38:52 was one point seven so but we have grant
38:54 money for the initial we have grant
38:57 might have fun the initial design and
38:58 important not all of the not everything
39:01 we don't have
39:01 grant money currently for the whole
39:03 whatever that adds up to I guess nearly
39:08 four million dollars we don't have grant
39:09 money for that but we have grant money
39:11 to start the design so that's what we're
39:13 going to do so if you do this study you
39:21 have the grant to do this study at the
39:23 end of the study you don't have the
39:25 funding to continue as it just sit on
39:28 the on the shelf and then when you
39:32 finally do get the money do have to
39:33 start all over again
39:34 so the so we're not so first of all we
39:41 are constantly looking for opportunities
39:43 for funding throughout this so we're not
39:46 waiting to get through design here and
39:49 actually this is more than a study for
39:51 this particular project is actually the
39:53 preliminary design work so it's it's
39:55 doing the work so that you could build
39:56 the project but to your point you get
39:59 that all the design work done and then
40:00 you have you don't have the 20 million
40:03 dollars or whatever you're needed it's
40:06 needed to construct the project then
40:08 what so I mean so you know I don't know
40:12 if I'm smart enough to have all of the
40:14 answers on that you know when one
40:16 alternative is ax is a bond which this
40:19 was part of as a way of funding it
40:23 another way is to look for other great
40:25 opportunities portions of this not not
40:28 nearly all of it the portions of it as
40:30 we move forward and have the plan
40:32 portions of it will be built by
40:34 development as it comes in
40:36 for example the roundabout it Juniper's
40:38 so so portions of it may get built that
40:41 way but you know it's a we don't our our
40:46 way of our way of working here is to not
40:50 we don't assaulting lined up before we
40:53 start we start and we move forward I
40:56 understand that I just don't want to
40:58 have to go back and do it to pay another
41:00 two three four million dollars to do
41:02 another environmental study and a new
41:04 design is that valid for so many years
41:10 right well that's a that's a really good
41:12 question
41:12 that's a very good point
41:14 I don't know if I can answer that but if
41:16 your point is sort of the the Providence
41:18 pointed signal example where we have the
41:21 design complete ready to go and now
41:22 we're going to have to go back and do a
41:24 certain amount of updating work before
41:26 we can actually go out to did with that
41:28 it so it is sort of the same thing maybe
41:30 you're asking for so certainly the
41:32 longer project so if a projects design
41:35 and ready to go and has no way to build
41:37 it it can sit on the shelf but each year
41:40 it does that it's likely to get further
41:43 out of compliance with stormwater
41:44 regulations or whatever and so you know
41:47 we don't we don't want to get ahead of
41:49 ourselves too far I suppose what we also
41:52 don't want to we also can't wait we
41:55 don't want to wait until we have all of
41:57 the funding figured out before we start
41:58 on the design so the Newport because
42:03 here's where I'm having a struggle the
42:06 voters already when they voted on the
42:09 bottom doesn't know why is Newport
42:16 already why are we even talking about
42:18 Newport that's a twenty four million
42:20 dollar ask and the voters felt that it
42:25 was mostly cosmetic I know we're adding
42:27 two lanes to one side for a portion not
42:30 for the whole thing it's not going to be
42:33 a traffic alleviate er so much as it is
42:38 going to be a beautification project and
42:40 adding bike lanes which we already have
42:41 bike lanes and sidewalks so why are we
42:46 asked why are we talking about doing
42:49 this project as it was presented to the
42:52 voters last year so a little confused by
42:58 that well it seems like we say no and
43:00 then the city comes back and says oh
43:02 we're going to go ahead and do it
43:03 anyways and here's the funding it I'll
43:08 disagree with that assessment I felt
43:10 like the sunset part the Sunset
43:12 Boulevard was definitely aesthetic but I
43:13 think the the Newport is definitely
43:15 adding capacity both with the
43:16 roundabouts and with the additional
43:17 lanes simply just adding left turn lines
43:19 adds capacity I think I dig it and this
43:22 is armchair analysis but I did get the
43:25 impression that the sunset way was was
43:27 very much seen as a purely cosmetic but
43:30 I think I would disagree I think the
43:31 Newport Way is definitely in addition to
43:34 cosmetic improvements I think it's
43:35 definitely a very material improvement
43:36 to capacity and the safety in ways that
43:39 I don't think you could credibly argue
43:40 that the Sunset Boulevard component on
43:42 the education levy was and I just I just
43:45 wanted to throw that in it's common yeah
43:47 just to just to add so that I I'm not
43:51 sure that I would characterize the the
43:52 non-motorized components the the
43:56 non-motorized components of the project
43:58 is cosmetically we know that we know
44:01 that cars are going to have a place and
44:03 capacity is important in its a claw for
44:05 the foreseeable future we know that but
44:08 we also know that in the future we're
44:12 going to also have to strengthen where
44:14 we have other ways of getting around
44:16 better than what we have now so by
44:19 constructing those non-motorized
44:20 facilities the sidewalks in the bike
44:22 lanes and you're going to you're going
44:23 to set up the roadway better for transit
44:26 service and it is very close to a so to
44:30 a transit center on the on the north
44:32 west end and so so those so if you have
44:37 good non motorized facilities and then
44:40 you can develop that our transit service
44:43 and then you can give people
44:44 alternatives driving a car so so that I
44:47 wouldn't necessarily characterize the
44:49 not the bike lanes and sidewalks as as
44:52 as aesthetic they're they provide safety
44:56 and they also give us some opportunities
44:58 for other ways of getting around the
45:01 city than the car so that's that's why a
45:04 lot it that's why a lot of these
45:05 projects you'll see not as a strong non
45:12 motorized component to them is for
45:15 because we know a multimodal corridors
45:18 have more functionality than just
45:22 streets built for the automobile so are
45:26 you saying in your opinion do you feel
45:29 that it's actually going to move more
45:30 cars so it would with a two southbound
45:33 left lane so with it so the two
45:36 southbound through lanes there'll be
45:39 more capacity and the
45:41 the so capacity isn't just the lanes the
45:44 capacity is a lot of think about your
45:47 own driving experience where you get
45:50 stuck typically is it intersections and
45:52 so so by making better intersection
45:54 improvements which is a big portion of
45:56 this project as well for example the
45:58 roundabouts at juniper is also a way of
46:01 more efficiently moving traffic down the
46:03 quarter so it will def it will for sure
46:05 it will definitely do that the how is
46:08 that going to happen if all the traffic
46:09 is stopped up because intersection with
46:12 Newport and Front Street right so so if
46:16 does this need to be looked at as a
46:18 system absolutely and it does this
46:21 project by itself solve our
46:25 transportation dilemmas and instacart it
46:28 absolutely doesn't but it's a piece of
46:30 it and so so if your take if your point
46:33 is are you taking all the cars to Front
46:36 Street and then what so that that we
46:39 need to look at that as well
46:40 so this is a piece of the puzzle I would
46:42 say that not doesn't doesn't actually
46:45 doesn't necessarily solve everything
46:48 all of these are small pieces of the
46:51 puzzle it's seven minutes did you ever
46:55 answer AJ's question I was a trying to
46:57 accommodate screen so so I can I wasn't
47:01 trying to wait we don't in the interest
47:03 of time we can we can cover that later I
47:05 don't okay well I can give you I can
47:06 give you a one minute and I can give you
47:09 a one-minute answer and that's so the
47:13 complete streets has been a little
47:14 puzzling for all of us about what what
47:17 projects go into a complete Street plan
47:19 versus what our sweats other smaller
47:21 projects or stay on the loan and I think
47:23 I think that's going to be more clear
47:26 moving forward I think the Complete
47:27 Streets program is probably not going to
47:30 be called complete States and we're
47:31 probably going to Paul pull all the
47:32 smaller projects out and have them all
47:34 be standalone to completes what was
47:36 formerly the complete streets will be
47:38 more about sidewalk maintenance and 88
47:41 compliant rams
47:42 to support our overlay and those types
47:44 of things and so there won't be going
47:47 forward to be very small dollars but
47:50 although I don't think it much more
47:52 clear we hope did that answer is that I
47:59 stay under a minute okay do quick
48:04 questions
48:05 the I know there are two projects that
48:08 City Council has been talking about and
48:10 I believe his either pushed through or
48:12 is very close to the target roundabout
48:16 and then also the front street
48:18 streetscape so it's the target
48:22 roundabout on here has that already been
48:24 so it's on here it's not on here well it
48:28 was in the printout so the chart well I
48:30 don't I don't think it's on here but the
48:33 target the target roundabout was
48:35 initially a much larger project there's
48:38 about a five million dollar project
48:40 initially it was a much larger scale
48:44 project and what's current well we
48:46 currently are moving forward with with
48:49 which is about a three hundred and sixty
48:51 thousand dollar project I believe and so
48:53 that is part of our Complete Streets
48:55 that particular improvement is is
48:58 embedded in the Complete Streets program
49:01 for this here and I don't know about the
49:03 front street improvements that's the
49:06 French Street streetscape is on here but
49:09 it has the most of the money coming in
49:12 2020 right and so would that get shifted
49:16 up and better funding for that and that
49:19 that's I I don't know where I don't know
49:21 the one part that I don't know is how
49:26 this has been shifted or moved as a
49:28 result because I have not been I've not
49:29 been at the council workshops so I don't
49:32 know but certainly those are the kinds
49:34 of things that can get shifted around
49:36 and moved up if if council identified
49:38 that as a a higher priority than what we
49:41 have here do they have
49:46 yeah can I make it up sergeant quick
49:49 question um so the front street and I
49:52 90.1 also it's high fairly high on the
49:57 priority list but not no money allocated
50:00 until after the five-year plan
50:03 and just future years is that because of
50:08 the need for determining the best way to
50:12 do the interchange or what are what are
50:14 the reasons so that is not in the plan
50:16 sure I think the biggest reason is is
50:20 its yes - its yes to everything you just
50:23 said I think is we haven't done the
50:24 interchange justification study yet and
50:27 that will really inform I think what's
50:30 going to happen at Front Street and as
50:32 well as what may happen for another
50:33 crossing so and it's big dollar so
50:36 that's likely to be a if that's going to
50:38 get built that's going to have to have
50:40 some major most likely state funding
50:43 associated with it that's not a that
50:46 kind of money is not coming from the
50:47 city okay so it's sort of so it's on the
50:51 list to be aware of it
50:54 in the context of this this is not it
50:57 this is not a it's a little confusing
51:01 because this is not a funded list of all
51:04 so we don't have that sort of - some of
51:06 these so so if you have sort of similar
51:08 questions we don't have a funding source
51:10 for it it's a list it's a list of all
51:14 the projects we've identified in the
51:16 city that we think are valuable
51:17 transportation projects but especially
51:20 to get to the farther down the list and
51:22 further out the order of them is not
51:24 this is this is although it was ranked
51:27 by our budget process this may or may
51:28 not be the exactly the right priority
51:31 and when you get out in further years
51:33 when you start talking about funding it
51:34 gets a bit less clear a little bit more
51:37 fuzzy thank you um on the 11th and 12th
51:43 Avenue crossing there's a lot of
51:44 language about coordinating with Metro
51:46 and San transit one one comment is I
51:50 think it would be good to incorporate
51:51 similar language and all the other on 90
51:52 crossings so there's I think there's
51:54 that's for different projects and
51:56 anything and I think the of the i-90
51:59 Front Street interchange would also
52:01 include language run according with
52:02 sound transit not necessarily with the
52:05 placement of centers at three Bly rail
52:07 projects but starting to look for future
52:09 light rail extensions have that in scope
52:11 on whether or not you want to rebuild
52:12 things as
52:13 raise the front street and then in the
52:16 same vein I think that the city should
52:18 be putting its own money towards
52:21 studying where they want the basic was
52:25 central the central district or light
52:26 rail station location on linemen should
52:29 be not obviously the actual construction
52:32 is what twenty years away but I think
52:35 when when looking at things like
52:37 building the bridges and then rebuilding
52:40 Gilman or not rebuilding Gilman but do
52:42 improvements and Gilman I think the city
52:43 needs to make a decision on where it
52:44 wants the light rail station or that
52:46 it's going to be in line on i-90 whether
52:48 it's going to be in line and Gilman or L
52:50 in line on SR 900 I think can be
52:52 important to make a decision within this
52:57 five-year timeframe on what alignment
52:59 they want so that can then dictate what
53:02 investments you make in the street grid
53:03 and also more broadly where you allow
53:06 development where you don't allow
53:07 development because you want to be
53:08 running a library laws weigh in in 15
53:11 years that goes through there so I think
53:12 that's something that now that the Sound
53:14 Transit 3 has passed and we know we're
53:16 getting our oil station eventually make
53:18 the city needs to need to know needs to
53:20 decide where they want that station to
53:21 be so all these other projects can then
53:24 take that into account in terms of
53:25 whether we have their feeding traffic
53:26 both bringing multimodal towards the
53:29 station and also ensuring that through
53:31 car traffic observer through car traffic
53:33 does not go by the station you don't
53:35 have non park-and-ride traffic getting
53:39 caught up at the station wherever that
53:40 may be
53:41 I agree I'd like to see some of those
53:44 funds in this five year period if it
53:46 would be at all possible to start
53:48 looking at that yeah yeah I think that's
53:51 more important than doing like more
53:52 Studies on where we want to cross on 90
53:54 with the bridge because you can't make
53:57 that decision until you know where your
53:58 light rail station is and then when
54:00 Bradley would be great if you could
54:02 build the bridge with the light rail
54:03 station and you know leverage sound
54:05 transit station access lending for that
54:08 I mean that's not putting the cart
54:10 before the horse but I think that's
54:12 kinda need to be thinking of now that we
54:14 know we're getting the light rail
54:14 station at some point
54:17 we're almost out of time if you want to
54:20 follow up about we had talked about the
54:23 same thing during the creating the plan
54:28 the central area plan and you guys have
54:31 said it more succinctly than than we did
54:33 but it's something the city really
54:36 really needs to do and I'm glad you
54:37 brought it up is there anything else
54:40 because we're at we have two minutes
54:42 left to ask any questions that you might
54:46 121 in terms of leveraging other studies
54:49 the old town parking structure
54:51 I think should take us to make take a
54:53 shout out in terms of the parking
54:54 studies that are going on around Old
54:56 Town or whether or not we even one party
54:59 now we're going to pay for parking and
55:00 whatnot because that also all needs to
55:01 be done before if they're looking at
55:03 building a structure in our building
55:04 structure so in essence we want every
55:07 project done by next year I hope to come
55:10 back that we conservatively so that we
55:13 can drive everywhere we want without any
55:16 delays whatsoever and everything is done
55:18 and it's a perfect perfect world look at
55:21 that that's very clear direction we'll
55:26 go yeah okay done okay with that just
55:30 you have something that you have to add
55:32 otherwise we're going to otherwise we're
55:35 going to cap the meeting off right now
55:37 and then justice yeah so we'll end a
55:40 meeting it 559 thank you please write
55:44 and okay you got the transportation
55:47 diagram now
55:56 you