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there we go good evening and welcome to
the shortened version of the planning
policy Commission for May the 21st fifth
where are you you need your a microphone
on C when you're away two weeks you just
forget the whole process and everything
is going on so let's start this over
again so welcome to the tour may 25th
meeting of the Planning Policy
Commission tonight we are going to have
a shortened version of what's going on
with the CIP and we have our fearless
leader Kurt to tell us why the city is
doing what it's doing what the plans are
going to be in the future
Kurt please take it on thank you very
much Kurt steam and transportation
manager here at the CIS cloth and I you
know we have an hour set aside we could
probably talk about this for many hours
and I just out of respect everyone's
time and I do want really to spend the
bulk of this time hearing from you and
having a conversation about any
questions or comments you have about our
either our process or our projects so
but I did want to take a few minutes
just to go through sort of a few basics
probably review for many of you but just
to make sure we get on the same page so
first of all the TI p is it's typically
it's a it's a so why do we do it it's
it's a it's our it's our plan for
transportation improvements it's
required there's an r CW 35 - 77 - 0 1 0
that requires cities to prepare T IPS
they're typically 6-year plans we
typically pay a lot more attention in
the in the projects that are in the that
we have more certainty either for
funding or what kind of project it is
and those are typically in the first few
years of the plan it's a very important
document for us
besides it being a state requirement but
it's it's important for funding
eligibility when grants and other
opportunities present themselves to have
an update and accurate TI PE that
reflects what our transportation goals
are for Issaquah is essential so that's
the reason we do it it helps it's aside
from being a state requirement it helps
us and helps us all get on the same page
as a community about what's most
important transportation wise for
project so and just process why I wanted
to talk a little bit about that because
in the past we have presented the TI P
as a sum of a standalone document and
this year what's different is the TI P I
don't know how how much you've been
involved in following our city's capital
improvement plan process but the way
we're looking at capital projects now is
citywide so what you have and you have
one of these we gave you one of these
right so this is actually this is this
is the proposed city's capital
improvement project that's a much larger
document than just this and and it
includes all of the capsule that's parks
and all of the capital projects that the
city would propose finance any capital
projects that we have are in this
document our portion of this is the
transportation part of that which has
quite extensive if you see it has a
project description and a product
proposed budget funding sheet for each
of the projects and it is actually
included in the larger CIP and so what
council has been doing is they met in a
one or more workshops I think they're
having to total and this will be coming
to them in a public hearing on June 5th
for a public hearing for the CIP and for
the TI P so it's a little confusing
except for if you want any about the CIP
sort of the overarching
larger capital project document and the
CIP resides within that so that makes
sense okay so far so good
so um as I did want to UM so like I said
there's a lot of projects in this
document and they vary in complexity in
detail and but I would like to highlight
so this is not a scientific list here
but I just I wanted to go through a
dozen or so projects just to kind of
give you a feel for what's in here and
these are projects that are on the
earlier side of the CIP so they're
projects that we're planning to get to
sooner than later in fact we have are
working on some of them as as we speak
so just just briefly the new so and
maybe old news to some of you but just
wanted to go through a few of these
projects so first is the and these are
not in a particular order they're just
meant to be representative of the kinds
of projects that you'll find in our GIP
so the Newport way Naples Street to
sunset is proposed to be about a twenty
three million dollar project it builds a
three lane roadway as you can see from
basically from April to sunset a lot of
these projects you'll see one of the
themes that's consistent I think through
many of these projects is that they're
multimodal so they're not it's not as
they're not necessarily all about
automobile capacity they may improve all
the automobile capacity but in many
cases besides doing that they're
constructing facilities that don't
currently exist so Newport ways you can
see here has really inadequate has no
bike lanes and inadequate sidewalks and
so this would improve that street for
all methods of travel it would it
proposes to treat intersections with
roundabouts and also will if we do
everything right we'll blend this
seamlessly with the developments that
come in along Newport so consistent with
a central Issaquah plan talked about
non-motorized condition
and the three lane section we know where
the roundabout control will improve
traffic flow as well and so this is just
so you know this is these are some
slides that we had from our budget
conversations and this ranking which we
can get into a bit more but that really
has more to do with with council
criteria which I did not I don't happen
to have those along with me tonight but
council Craig Council adopted criteria
for capital projects and within those
criteria there's a bunch of elements
within those criteria and those were
each of the projects were scored
according to those many criteria and
then assigned a ranking so I wouldn't
the ranking part I wouldn't worry too
much about this word acceptable it's
more about the ranking is more about
helping us helping the council helping
the community prioritize these projects
so that's that's what you'll this is
sort of a in here from the from the
budget discussion so that's one project
and then the other sort of complimentary
pair to that to Newport if you want to
think is the Newport section of Newport
that is west of 900 so from 900 to 54th
and you've probably heard a lot about
this there it's a it's a pretty high
priority corridor for the city there's
several new developments gateway and
reeva and Bergsma and maybe one or two
others that are happening along here
it's originally was built I think as I
understand it was the main east-west
highway going east of the minnow least
over the mountain so it's as you can see
it still sort of has that highway look
have some superelevation so that the
goal of this project is to go from this
sort of former highway residual highway
that's out there now to an urban street
section again with similar to the other
Newport 3 lanes bike lanes sidewalks
tying it in with a development that is
happening along there
and and we are actually on this project
we're starting work this year we're
having a couple workshops coming up - we
know this is a really high priority
project for the community and it has a
lot of community interest so were very
interested in working with a community
especially the neighborhood's the
neighbors the folks that live a long
newport that see the biggest impacts
both from the private development along
there and from any capital project that
we would build there and this is another
project this is you've seen this project
on the transportation bond last fall
this is a project that is Providence
point is is meant to more safely connect
the two sides of Providence point with a
signalized intersection provides better
motors motorist safety and pedestrian
safety at this at this connection in
that project the reason that this makes
sense to us to move forward on is it's
mostly designed it was it was actually
designed and just about ready to go out
to bid as I understand it and and for
whatever reason we didn't couldn't come
up with a funding so the project's been
on hold for some time now it would
require some amount of work to revisit
the plans and specs and bring them up to
current standards but the projects close
to being ready to be built so Gilman is
another project that's pretty a key we
think is a key important project for the
city it's a it's one of the main
east-west connections across the city
and ties in front Street to 900 as you
know from your trips up and down Gilman
oh there's some there's some issues with
access control and some confusing
driveways and and
cut conflicts with left turns and so we
know that this corridor needs a
comprehensive design and we're in fact
going out for a consultant to help us
start with that start to understand what
the what the work on Gilman should be
and what the constraints are and we're
going to do a lot of facts gathering a
lot of data gathering initially and then
again in engage the community on on what
the appropriate design for Gilman should
look like this is also important because
of a lot of land use that's potentially
plan these changes that can happen along
this corridor you've seen with atlas
being maybe the first one it's it's
going to be easier for us to condition
development and less confusing both the
staff and developers if we have an
overall corridor plan that we can point
to when developments come in and
hopefully when developments come in with
a plan then we can have them their
furniture improvements will presumably
construct portions of this as as
properties redevelop so complete streets
this is a project that's going to this
is a program project that's going to
some changes
initially Complete Streets or
historically Complete Streets have been
a variety of not mostly non motorized
improvements ad a crossings those kind
of site sidewalk gap type improvements
we're talking to currently talking to
council about what this program should
look like moving forward but again the
main focus of this project in here that
you'll see in here is is to improve
safety for non-motorized users just
question on the complete street yeah
what's difference between what's
covering the Complete Streets and then a
couple of other projects in the packet
that are just specifically bike lane and
freshman intersection improvements can
we can we come back to that that's a
great question I'd like to talk to you
about that a little bit because because
like I said we're
that's a great question and like I said
we're currently talking to Council about
what Complete Streets really mean so
appreciate that there may be a little
confusion on that so well don't lose
hope I thought so this is a this is
Emmaus is a significant project and we
don't know what this would totally be
but I just have it in here to sort of
give you a sort of a range giving idea
so we have projects that this is several
project the total five million this is
one project that totals nearly 50
million and so this would presumably do
something we don't know exactly what to
reconfigure that Front Street and i-90
getting started so wash dot is leading a
ijr which is an interchange
justification report that will look at
potential improvements or changes to
this intersection so we'll know more
what this project might be at the end of
that process which is I think slated to
be start almost immediately and be done
by the end of 2018 what's interesting
about the IJ and the reason I put this
slide in here what's interesting about
the ijr is it so it's it's so it's it's
called and it's it's focused as you can
see from the circle here on Front Street
the interchange at Front Street and i-90
as part of the IAR we're required to
look at as far west as 900 as far east
as that as the next interchange here and
so so we're really interested in that
because the city has a has a real
interest in a potential an additional
crossing of i90 somewhere in the
vicinity of we say between 10th and 12
somewhere Maple Street somewhere
somewhere roughly halfway between
between the two current interchanges so
that probably would not be an
interchange would probably be a crossing
but we think it's really important we
think it's really important for tying
the two sides of Issaquah together
better whether
the connection and it also could wear a
little were a little premature on this
perhaps that it could be an area where
light rail when light rail comes disc
law we're not sure where that's going to
come so that would getting some some
more clarity on a possible connection
here would be really important to us so
we're excited we're excited about
working with the state on this ijr
project not only for what it might mean
here but also what it could mean for an
additional crossing of i90 and then
won't talk too much about this it's a
project that's underway this is a big
project that is going to connect the
Pickering area the Costco area over to
East Lake Sammamish so kind of a
interesting sidelight about this as I
was just talking to Sheldon when our
public works director was after me about
this project and he mentioned that you
know roughly don't quote me on this but
roughly where our costs although it's a
40 million dollar project the city's
cost is roughly 10 cents on the dollar
so we're it's there's a bunch of grant
funding that's associated as project and
Costco is paying for a portion of it so
although it's a big price tag it it's a
it's an important connection again
a poor connection on now the north side
of i90 that is mostly funded by others
and then and then sort of you know close
nearby
near to that which is is sort of going
we're going to look at that after the
sixty second project is at this right
when you get off the freeway here at 900
this intersection where Tully's and
t-mobile is is not working working very
well now so this project anticipates
making improvements at that intersection
and then yeah that's just a this is in
here I think just to to give you another
type of project that we're looking at so
this is looking to support so this is
sort of a partly driven by the Central
Park but also the need for it
signalization better control especially
pedestrian crossing control along the
street so and that one small project
which is sort of to your point earlier
how is this different from Complete
Streets projects and and this is down by
the school and is meant to complete a
portion of missing link and sidewalks
small project again to help illustrate
sort of a range of projects and then I
think this is I think this is about our
last slide here another project on north
of the freeway that will sort of the
sort of the missing missing piece of to
21st so to 21st is improved to the north
of here and then the sixty second
project will make improvements south of
here so this is to bring this small
section of Street up to standards and to
match the rest of the improvements there
and then yeah I think this is keep
saying that last slide it so this is
this is what I was mentioning a moment
ago so this this is we think this is a
logical outcome of the interchange
justification report so it's a cross and
this isn't this is probably not right in
terms of being the accurate line but
it's probably is right in terms of the
general location and the biggest reason
the biggest benefit to us we feel is
that north-south on connectivity
oh I'm horse lazy daily hell so here's
it's sort of a different kind of project
not a not really a street project or a
multimodal project at all but just
acknowledging that we also need to be
doing Street repairs and maintenance and
this is a this is the retaining wall
that his that was originally through
King County a developer project and it
has some issues so we know that needs to
be repaired it needs to be repaired
obviously before it fails so that's
not a complete list but it's meant to
give you sort of a taste of kinds of
projects we're looking at that are in
the CIP so I'm going to stop there
okay so that's half I've used up half
your time so I'd be happy to to start
with your question or however you want
to do this I just have a quick question
we go through this every year and some
of the projects are go up or down
depending on the funding and the sources
and I I understand that a question just
went out of my mind are there any
projects that will be completed in the
next two years so well sure
so the completes so to start with the
Complete Streets projects there those
are those have typically been a number
of product number of smaller projects
four or five smaller projects we
completed four or five last year working
or we just went out to bid for another
four four or five projects this year
those are all small projects so those
typically get completed every year so
those are the kinds of projects that get
completed and those are off they're off
now they're on not on the list to do so
those are completed and also we're doing
so and when you correct and what so
that's a in a way that's a program type
project so there's new projects that so
there's there has historically been this
line item in here called Complete
Streets that's contains several small
projects non-motorized improvements
those get completed over here and then
there's new projects that councils been
funding those at something less than a
million dollars a year so that allows us
to build like I said four or five
smaller projects that get completed
every year there's some larger press so
we just completed East Lake Sammamish
Parkway improvements last year so that's
a project that we completed
so that was last year in the next two
years
to answer your question we'll be
completing the sixty second project
which is a huge big project for us
so that's slated to be complete by the
end of 2018 we are some of the other
projects we are actively moving forward
with design and/or preliminary design
for so we have grant funding to do
preliminary design for in 2018
for the new port way from April of
sunset so we're planning to do that
starting January 2018 we are working on
new port we're currently working on
preliminary design for new port from 900
to 54th and we are beginning designed
for Gilman so that's so that's not
exactly that well I guess that incident
does that answer your question so
there's a lot of projects in the works
some of them are construction projects
some of them are in other phases but
there's a lot of there's a lot of
projects moving forward
currently no I don't have my paperwork
from last year so I could compare the
two is there a way to get copies of both
of them just true I know we have some
new members on the committee and they
need to understand the process of going
up and down and how you get at you know
they might be important but you have no
funding so you can't do them but why you
know the question thought we need if
it's dangerous we need to have it fixed
and if there's no money to fix it we buy
it off for three years yeah we can get
you some information
oh just just as a basis point and 221st
is being worked on now so next year the
big bear isn't that true 25 right so I
can do this if I can go back here so
there's a portion right so there's a
portion here so here's this is where
that taco time there that's blocked off
so I know they're diggin halls and
another 60 seconds right the businesses
are open to shirt because they get they
got to rebuild those so so 221st is open
to to the to the businesses to be clear
and but you cannot you're not going to
be able to go through there and so 221st
is it a portion is that is it's actually
the sixty second project a portion of
that roadway at fourth basically is
getting constructed as portion as a part
of the sixty second project but there is
this one sort of left remnant peace
between the sixty second project and the
existing improves to 21st on the north
which is this piece which will not be
which will not be finished off by the
sixty second project so that's why it's
in here it's sort of it's the it's the
remaining kinda clarify yeah so there's
so there's project here this parts built
out and then there's a sort of a remnant
piece between 60 our 60 second project
and the improved portion of to 21st can
I add any question oh yeah I got a lot
of questions go for it should I look at
you okay okay so first of all the sixty
second project which is score number
eighty what does whether is a score mean
so
and then the priority I see says
desirable acceptable referable and
that's the one thing we've I'd be would
be so the 62nd is already underway is it
not so you're looking at this sheet
right here at grass so this is
reasonable I'm asking is because why
would we even be looking at that in this
study except for background information
well it's it's it's been approved and
then we're under way I suppose it's in
here because the funding is is is part
of our budget so to to to back up just a
little so what you're seeing here as I
mentioned earlier is a portion of the
city's capital improvement project and
this format and this score and priority
column over here is something that is
new for all of us and it is meant to
across all departments from provide a
uniform scoring and a these words have
meaning in I'd be very happy to get your
budget document that talks of it that
shows that what these words mean and
that kind so but it's it's the words are
kind of a little if yes it would be
helpful if you provided the detailed
band this coin so waiting I'd be happy
to do that
the words are come out of that document
this is a portion of the city's capital
project approach project and the idea of
the scoring of course is to to
prioritize these awareness is the work
that council has been doing to they
either can agree with these ranking and
scoring or not these criteria and the
scoring and the wording here is the
result of our finance department working
with Council to come up with those
criteria so those are not our criteria
those
citywide council adopted criteria on how
to look at projects oh and yes
absolutely we can get you that it's a
one it's I yes it's a one page sheet
it's pretty self-explanatory they can
absolutely get that for you
it just seems a little misleading that
it's ranked number eighty and it's
considered desirable yeah it's already
on right away but even if we said no you
can't pull like it right so committed so
yeah you're right and so I think it
would the only thing I can I'm I wish
you had I wish we could give that to get
that to you I wish you had that tonight
but it makes more sense if you look at
how if you look at the criteria in the
scoring and the the sheets that were
developed by the council and the
criteria so I appreciate your comments
about sixty Seconds like what does that
really mean the projects under
construction shouldn't either be off the
list or it's scored at a hundred percent
but this is this is the way when you
apply the criterion of scoring this is
the way it came out I think it's
important to see because it's a large
chunk of the 2018 projected spending I
think I think will be helpful million
dollars able to clarify between what's
committed and fully funded versus what
is desirable but not necessarily
committed yeah and understand how much
wiggle room we have yeah and so we've
never and so just then this is this is
this isn't it may be super helpful to
you but this is all this is all new that
we're all said all sort of a work in
progress systems we're doing this now
for the first time citywide so so I
don't know that any of us are the expert
on it but I can certainly share with you
the information that was used to come up
with a scoring that was developed with
the finance department and the City
Council of course I also have a question
here about the three trails crossing
between which is number sixty one point
one and one so look I noticed this
swatted out for twenty twenty two so
it's on the it's on the five-year plan
which
I'm thankful for one is there a reason
why it's out to 2022 and can that be
pulled in if so how close can we move
that in if so and that's a good that's
isn't that one already in the works so
so yeah so the three trails crossing as
a as it was a little bit of a an outlier
in the sense that it has been planned
and budgeted for for some time in our
plan and I think after after this was
developed and through it started through
the process we we reached an agreement
with the developer acid on the north
side of that intersection for three
trails and so what they're going to do
is build a signal at three trails which
is a bulk of what we wanted to do here
and move the Grom pedestrian crossing to
the from the West
to that intersection and so and the city
is going to pay a portion of those
improvements I think about 375,000
something like that and the developer is
going to pay the rest it what it doesn't
so there's probably so what's in here is
probably not accurate and in fact but
there's probably don't forget that's
completely figured out at this point
but there's probably a project in here
in going forward but you'll see next
year let's say that it's called
something like three trails crossing
because what the developer is not making
improvements to or changes to the south
side of that intersection so there may
be the need for improvements so you know
how to defer and rainier come in there
is kind of a kind of awkward so so
they're going to build a signal for that
intersection that is functional and safe
and is a good connection for the trail
but it doesn't address the south side so
there's still sort of a say is a sort of
a modified version if you want a new
version of three trails crossing project
that needs to be in here for next years
and and which year that goes in is a
good question
this is really nothing more than a
placeholder because when we first
developed this was before the developer
yes okay I mean so this is right this is
it you can imagine this up so it's not
all the art we have a lot of projects in
our list there's a whole list is even
bigger so it's quite a and because we're
doing it for the first time this year
it's been quite an effort just to get
the whole document together and so
there's been some hard deadlines on when
things could get in here and when they
could be moved around and changed and so
there's some things in here that even
though this is fairly recent have have
actually there's been some changes
already before this is even adopted so I
think that you will find that for these
projects have not had their
environmental study they haven't done
all the work that needs to be done and I
will guarantee you that all of them are
going to be changed in some way but
until we get the funding in order to do
that you know even talking about why
you're doing this or why you're doing
that doesn't lead to an answer that
you're going to be happy with because
there will be no specific answer but
they're going to be changed and they're
all going to come back next year and
you're going to go through the same
process well yeah we thought we could
get the funding here and the grant here
but no it's not coming to fruition so
we're moving that project down the line
and this one which nobody thought was
really important has full funding so
that moves up to the top so anyway I
could yeah that's what that's that's
very well plated so it's you know it's a
it's a there's funding in here there's
assumptions made about grants and types
of funding that we think you might get
there's assumptions made about when we
can do this work but it's not it's not
the last word on on transportation
projects we look at this every year
we're constantly thinking about ways to
fund them and update these plans so but
so this is a once a year time where
this plan comes to you for your comment
for you to review and ask questions and
but it's it's an add to the process and
anything that absolute these guys say
will be you know put in the record so
you have em to look at yes so in your
future things as you like so yes we've
got one last question for you for
Newport maple the sunset huh
I know at the I think it's ins would
development is going to be paying for or
lease a substantial portion for a
roundabout Creek how committed are we to
do the full and tire build-out of that
road as opposed to ripping the concrete
ripping up the asphalt to just do a new
top because from what I understand from
what I've heard from people is that the
road itself underneath may be wearing
out and so it we're kind of stuck with
doing and not a recap but maybe a new
road but do we really need all the other
improvements that go along with that and
we just stick with being a road in well
we the way the project is is scoped and
the and what the what our grant money is
based on is is what you see here so it's
fundamentally different roadway than
what's out there now it won't the
footprint of this road almost double by
the time you add additional Lane bike
lanes multi multi grass and whatnot so
it's right you know not not even not
even with the roundabouts and the
roundabouts are a major improvement but
you're also almost doubling the right of
way it's all the other improvements it's
the yes sidewalk and bike lanes in the
third Lane which could be some cases
that may be a median some cases that may
be a turn lane it correct me if I'm
wrong I thought of the transportation
levy that that was pitched as it was
going to be a southbound lane there
gonna be cheese outside right I found
and that's something we'll be looking at
so there's currently a southbound lane
I'm not carry Memphis on my head how far
south that goes but that's something
there are two southbound lanes you're
absolutely right and
the the length of how far those go is
something I think we're going to want to
revisit so it's so it's going to be
three lanes but whether that's two
southbound or turn lanes is to be
determined
yeah that's something we need to look at
reports and like I said our plan now
with a there was a confusion at PS or C
about which projects regionally we're
going to get funded in which year is
that we just found out here this last
week that this project has funding for
the initial design for 2018 so we're
excited to move forward on that in 2018
so so the 2018 number and the 2019
numbers what does that do
1.1 or almost a one point two in the
four hundred thousand what kind of work
does that do because those are pretty
low numbers compared to the love and
million which is in 2020 wait wait
well I'd have to go back and look at the
backup for this but I think that in
general those first three years so the
1.1 if 400,000 and the two million are
in combination meant to do the all of
the design work and probably right away
acquisition is that that's that would be
our plan and I'm I'm thinking from the
way this looks and my recollection that
the construction part of the project so
the almost 12 million and then the 9
million in 21 and 22 would be the
construction dollars for that project so
this is the preliminary environmental
design right away acquisition elements
in the first three years here is any
portion of this already granted because
I know this was on the transportation on
right also they have PSR C funding for a
portion of this I think it's one point I
think it's I'd have to go back and look
at the numbers I think it's it's it may
be the one point one or maybe actually
the grant money maybe I want to say it
was one point seven so but we have grant
money for the initial we have grant
might have fun the initial design and
important not all of the not everything
we don't have
grant money currently for the whole
whatever that adds up to I guess nearly
four million dollars we don't have grant
money for that but we have grant money
to start the design so that's what we're
going to do so if you do this study you
have the grant to do this study at the
end of the study you don't have the
funding to continue as it just sit on
the on the shelf and then when you
finally do get the money do have to
start all over again
so the so we're not so first of all we
are constantly looking for opportunities
for funding throughout this so we're not
waiting to get through design here and
actually this is more than a study for
this particular project is actually the
preliminary design work so it's it's
doing the work so that you could build
the project but to your point you get
that all the design work done and then
you have you don't have the 20 million
dollars or whatever you're needed it's
needed to construct the project then
what so I mean so you know I don't know
if I'm smart enough to have all of the
answers on that you know when one
alternative is ax is a bond which this
was part of as a way of funding it
another way is to look for other great
opportunities portions of this not not
nearly all of it the portions of it as
we move forward and have the plan
portions of it will be built by
development as it comes in
for example the roundabout it Juniper's
so so portions of it may get built that
way but you know it's a we don't our our
way of our way of working here is to not
we don't assaulting lined up before we
start we start and we move forward I
understand that I just don't want to
have to go back and do it to pay another
two three four million dollars to do
another environmental study and a new
design is that valid for so many years
right well that's a that's a really good
question
that's a very good point
I don't know if I can answer that but if
your point is sort of the the Providence
pointed signal example where we have the
design complete ready to go and now
we're going to have to go back and do a
certain amount of updating work before
we can actually go out to did with that
it so it is sort of the same thing maybe
you're asking for so certainly the
longer project so if a projects design
and ready to go and has no way to build
it it can sit on the shelf but each year
it does that it's likely to get further
out of compliance with stormwater
regulations or whatever and so you know
we don't we don't want to get ahead of
ourselves too far I suppose what we also
don't want to we also can't wait we
don't want to wait until we have all of
the funding figured out before we start
on the design so the Newport because
here's where I'm having a struggle the
voters already when they voted on the
bottom doesn't know why is Newport
already why are we even talking about
Newport that's a twenty four million
dollar ask and the voters felt that it
was mostly cosmetic I know we're adding
two lanes to one side for a portion not
for the whole thing it's not going to be
a traffic alleviate er so much as it is
going to be a beautification project and
adding bike lanes which we already have
bike lanes and sidewalks so why are we
asked why are we talking about doing
this project as it was presented to the
voters last year so a little confused by
that well it seems like we say no and
then the city comes back and says oh
we're going to go ahead and do it
anyways and here's the funding it I'll
disagree with that assessment I felt
like the sunset part the Sunset
Boulevard was definitely aesthetic but I
think the the Newport is definitely
adding capacity both with the
roundabouts and with the additional
lanes simply just adding left turn lines
adds capacity I think I dig it and this
is armchair analysis but I did get the
impression that the sunset way was was
very much seen as a purely cosmetic but
I think I would disagree I think the
Newport Way is definitely in addition to
cosmetic improvements I think it's
definitely a very material improvement
to capacity and the safety in ways that
I don't think you could credibly argue
that the Sunset Boulevard component on
the education levy was and I just I just
wanted to throw that in it's common yeah
just to just to add so that I I'm not
sure that I would characterize the the
non-motorized components the the
non-motorized components of the project
is cosmetically we know that we know
that cars are going to have a place and
capacity is important in its a claw for
the foreseeable future we know that but
we also know that in the future we're
going to also have to strengthen where
we have other ways of getting around
better than what we have now so by
constructing those non-motorized
facilities the sidewalks in the bike
lanes and you're going to you're going
to set up the roadway better for transit
service and it is very close to a so to
a transit center on the on the north
west end and so so those so if you have
good non motorized facilities and then
you can develop that our transit service
and then you can give people
alternatives driving a car so so that I
wouldn't necessarily characterize the
not the bike lanes and sidewalks as as
as aesthetic they're they provide safety
and they also give us some opportunities
for other ways of getting around the
city than the car so that's that's why a
lot it that's why a lot of these
projects you'll see not as a strong non
motorized component to them is for
because we know a multimodal corridors
have more functionality than just
streets built for the automobile so are
you saying in your opinion do you feel
that it's actually going to move more
cars so it would with a two southbound
left lane so with it so the two
southbound through lanes there'll be
more capacity and the
the so capacity isn't just the lanes the
capacity is a lot of think about your
own driving experience where you get
stuck typically is it intersections and
so so by making better intersection
improvements which is a big portion of
this project as well for example the
roundabouts at juniper is also a way of
more efficiently moving traffic down the
quarter so it will def it will for sure
it will definitely do that the how is
that going to happen if all the traffic
is stopped up because intersection with
Newport and Front Street right so so if
does this need to be looked at as a
system absolutely and it does this
project by itself solve our
transportation dilemmas and instacart it
absolutely doesn't but it's a piece of
it and so so if your take if your point
is are you taking all the cars to Front
Street and then what so that that we
need to look at that as well
so this is a piece of the puzzle I would
say that not doesn't doesn't actually
doesn't necessarily solve everything
all of these are small pieces of the
puzzle it's seven minutes did you ever
answer AJ's question I was a trying to
accommodate screen so so I can I wasn't
trying to wait we don't in the interest
of time we can we can cover that later I
don't okay well I can give you I can
give you a one minute and I can give you
a one-minute answer and that's so the
complete streets has been a little
puzzling for all of us about what what
projects go into a complete Street plan
versus what our sweats other smaller
projects or stay on the loan and I think
I think that's going to be more clear
moving forward I think the Complete
Streets program is probably not going to
be called complete States and we're
probably going to Paul pull all the
smaller projects out and have them all
be standalone to completes what was
formerly the complete streets will be
more about sidewalk maintenance and 88
compliant rams
to support our overlay and those types
of things and so there won't be going
forward to be very small dollars but
although I don't think it much more
clear we hope did that answer is that I
stay under a minute okay do quick
questions
the I know there are two projects that
City Council has been talking about and
I believe his either pushed through or
is very close to the target roundabout
and then also the front street
streetscape so it's the target
roundabout on here has that already been
so it's on here it's not on here well it
was in the printout so the chart well I
don't I don't think it's on here but the
target the target roundabout was
initially a much larger project there's
about a five million dollar project
initially it was a much larger scale
project and what's current well we
currently are moving forward with with
which is about a three hundred and sixty
thousand dollar project I believe and so
that is part of our Complete Streets
that particular improvement is is
embedded in the Complete Streets program
for this here and I don't know about the
front street improvements that's the
French Street streetscape is on here but
it has the most of the money coming in
2020 right and so would that get shifted
up and better funding for that and that
that's I I don't know where I don't know
the one part that I don't know is how
this has been shifted or moved as a
result because I have not been I've not
been at the council workshops so I don't
know but certainly those are the kinds
of things that can get shifted around
and moved up if if council identified
that as a a higher priority than what we
have here do they have
yeah can I make it up sergeant quick
question um so the front street and I
90.1 also it's high fairly high on the
priority list but not no money allocated
until after the five-year plan
and just future years is that because of
the need for determining the best way to
do the interchange or what are what are
the reasons so that is not in the plan
sure I think the biggest reason is is
its yes - its yes to everything you just
said I think is we haven't done the
interchange justification study yet and
that will really inform I think what's
going to happen at Front Street and as
well as what may happen for another
crossing so and it's big dollar so
that's likely to be a if that's going to
get built that's going to have to have
some major most likely state funding
associated with it that's not a that
kind of money is not coming from the
city okay so it's sort of so it's on the
list to be aware of it
in the context of this this is not it
this is not a it's a little confusing
because this is not a funded list of all
so we don't have that sort of - some of
these so so if you have sort of similar
questions we don't have a funding source
for it it's a list it's a list of all
the projects we've identified in the
city that we think are valuable
transportation projects but especially
to get to the farther down the list and
further out the order of them is not
this is this is although it was ranked
by our budget process this may or may
not be the exactly the right priority
and when you get out in further years
when you start talking about funding it
gets a bit less clear a little bit more
fuzzy thank you um on the 11th and 12th
Avenue crossing there's a lot of
language about coordinating with Metro
and San transit one one comment is I
think it would be good to incorporate
similar language and all the other on 90
crossings so there's I think there's
that's for different projects and
anything and I think the of the i-90
Front Street interchange would also
include language run according with
sound transit not necessarily with the
placement of centers at three Bly rail
projects but starting to look for future
light rail extensions have that in scope
on whether or not you want to rebuild
things as
raise the front street and then in the
same vein I think that the city should
be putting its own money towards
studying where they want the basic was
central the central district or light
rail station location on linemen should
be not obviously the actual construction
is what twenty years away but I think
when when looking at things like
building the bridges and then rebuilding
Gilman or not rebuilding Gilman but do
improvements and Gilman I think the city
needs to make a decision on where it
wants the light rail station or that
it's going to be in line on i-90 whether
it's going to be in line and Gilman or L
in line on SR 900 I think can be
important to make a decision within this
five-year timeframe on what alignment
they want so that can then dictate what
investments you make in the street grid
and also more broadly where you allow
development where you don't allow
development because you want to be
running a library laws weigh in in 15
years that goes through there so I think
that's something that now that the Sound
Transit 3 has passed and we know we're
getting our oil station eventually make
the city needs to need to know needs to
decide where they want that station to
be so all these other projects can then
take that into account in terms of
whether we have their feeding traffic
both bringing multimodal towards the
station and also ensuring that through
car traffic observer through car traffic
does not go by the station you don't
have non park-and-ride traffic getting
caught up at the station wherever that
may be
I agree I'd like to see some of those
funds in this five year period if it
would be at all possible to start
looking at that yeah yeah I think that's
more important than doing like more
Studies on where we want to cross on 90
with the bridge because you can't make
that decision until you know where your
light rail station is and then when
Bradley would be great if you could
build the bridge with the light rail
station and you know leverage sound
transit station access lending for that
I mean that's not putting the cart
before the horse but I think that's
kinda need to be thinking of now that we
know we're getting the light rail
station at some point
we're almost out of time if you want to
follow up about we had talked about the
same thing during the creating the plan
the central area plan and you guys have
said it more succinctly than than we did
but it's something the city really
really needs to do and I'm glad you
brought it up is there anything else
because we're at we have two minutes
left to ask any questions that you might
121 in terms of leveraging other studies
the old town parking structure
I think should take us to make take a
shout out in terms of the parking
studies that are going on around Old
Town or whether or not we even one party
now we're going to pay for parking and
whatnot because that also all needs to
be done before if they're looking at
building a structure in our building
structure so in essence we want every
project done by next year I hope to come
back that we conservatively so that we
can drive everywhere we want without any
delays whatsoever and everything is done
and it's a perfect perfect world look at
that that's very clear direction we'll
go yeah okay done okay with that just
you have something that you have to add
otherwise we're going to otherwise we're
going to cap the meeting off right now
and then justice yeah so we'll end a
meeting it 559 thank you please write
and okay you got the transportation
diagram now
you