Development Commission · Wednesday, April 18, 2018 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Staff report:

Development Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission reviews all land Christopher Wright, use actions requiring a Level 3 review. The Project Oversight Manager Commission further serves as an advisory board to Email the City Council on land use actions requiring council approval (Level 5 review). Regular Members 2018 – Jasmina Mihova The appearance of fairness doctrine prohibits 2018 – Raymond Leong Development Commission members and City 2018 – Richard Sowa Council members from discussing the merit of 2019 – Michael Brennan specific land use development applications outside 2019 – Randolph Harrison of the formal public meeting process. Citizens, 2020 – Melvin Morgan however, may discuss any issue with the City's 2020 – Kevin Price Development Services Department. Written comments are also welcome. Alternate Members 2018 – Robert Bakh Membership 2018 – Carl…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of April 4, 2018

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Staff report:

CITY OF ISSAQUAH Development Commission MINUTES April 4, 2018 City Hall South 135 E. Sunset Way Council Chambers Issaquah, WA 98027

3. AGENDA ITEMS

Highmark Medical Center Signage

Discussion · Christopher Wright, Project Oversight Manager · packet pp.17–29

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Development Services 1775 – 12th Ave. NW | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 425-837-3100 issaquahwa.gov

"Our Issaquah", Strategic Plan Discussion, (I)

Christopher Wright, Project Oversight Manager

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0:14 ↗ all right

0:17 ↗ welcome everybody it's good to see you

0:20 ↗ all and tonight we're going to be

0:24 ↗ discussing the high mark Medical Center

0:27 ↗ signage and our squash strategic plans

0:29 ↗ so we'll go through the high mark

0:30 ↗ Medical Center signage first and then

0:33 ↗ we'll take a short break and then we'll

0:34 ↗ probably move down and sit around the

0:36 ↗ table for a little more intimate or

0:38 ↗ informal discussion with the

0:40 ↗ commissioners and we have some business

0:43 ↗ to attend to we have some minutes from

0:45 ↗ April 4th that I would ask for

0:48 ↗ recommendations on approval or if you

0:51 ↗ have Corrections this chair I recommend

0:54 ↗ approval of the minutes as written or

0:56 ↗ the April 4th meeting thank you

1:02 ↗ second notes have been recommended for

1:06 ↗ approval and seconded any comments or

1:08 ↗ discussion all those in favor say aye

1:10 ↗ aye opposed

1:12 ↗ ok great job on the notes excellent

1:18 ↗ you're amazing as always

1:21 ↗ so let's go all right Thank You mr.

1:25 ↗ chair my name is Christopher Wright and

1:27 ↗ I'm with the city's development services

1:30 ↗ department and as Richard mentioned what

1:33 ↗ I'm presenting to you this evening is

1:34 ↗ it's an administrative adjustment of

1:37 ↗ standards application for the high mark

1:40 ↗ medical building signage and this

1:45 ↗ vicinity map shows they're in blue where

1:49 ↗ the building is located it has as SR 900

1:53 ↗ is immediately to the east about a block

1:56 ↗ north as Gilman Boulevard and then it

1:59 ↗ has mall Street to the north and Maple

2:01 ↗ Street to the south and the address is

2:04 ↗ 1740 I'm sorry Christopher mm-hmm

2:08 ↗ mind if I make a disclosure sure that's

2:10 ↗ right go ahead yeah so the firm that I

2:15 ↗ work for we manage an investment fund

2:16 ↗ that owns the Maple Street office

2:18 ↗ building which is a few blocks from this

2:20 ↗ building it's a regular office building

2:23 ↗ not a medical dental office building

2:26 ↗ we're 100% occupied so

2:29 ↗ just I don't believe has any impact on

2:31 ↗ our fund or building or myself and I

2:36 ↗ feel that I can not be influenced by

2:39 ↗ that but wanted to say that in case

2:41 ↗ anybody has a concern about that right

2:44 ↗ if any members of the applicant team

2:46 ↗ wish to ask mr. Morgan to step down he

2:51 ↗ certainly can okay thank you and thank

2:54 ↗ you for asking

2:55 ↗ yeah thank you Thanks okay so this is a

2:59 ↗ site plan that shows kinda how the site

3:01 ↗ is oriented again this is at the bottom

3:04 ↗ of the page would be SR 900 with kind of

3:07 ↗ the boardwalk that goes along the front

3:09 ↗ and then here's the building itself and

3:12 ↗ the signs that we're talking about are

3:15 ↗ basically here and here and in 2009 the

3:21 ↗ city's development commission did review

3:24 ↗ and approve the site development permit

3:26 ↗ for this building there was at least

3:29 ↗ probably two of you that were on the

3:31 ↗ commission at that time and at that time

3:35 ↗ in the in the notice of decision and the

3:38 ↗ findings of fact and in the staff report

3:41 ↗ that was written there wasn't a whole

3:42 ↗ lot said about signage in those there

3:44 ↗ were certainly no conditions about it

3:46 ↗ but this was the elevation that was

3:49 ↗ approved at the time and it did show

3:51 ↗ these two spots here for tenant signs

3:56 ↗ and what the applicant has submitted to

3:59 ↗ us now is an administrative adjustment

4:02 ↗ of Sanders to allow tenant signs to be

4:04 ↗ located there for tenants that are not

4:08 ↗ on the third floor tenant spaces and

4:12 ↗ I'll explain that a little bit more in

4:13 ↗ just a minute and here's a picture of

4:19 ↗ the the building as it exists today and

4:22 ↗ then this also is a photo rendering that

4:26 ↗ shows the new signs placed on it

4:31 ↗ and this in a little bit more detail

4:35 ↗ shows what is proposed with regard to

4:38 ↗ one of the new signs

4:41 ↗ and the reason we are here and the

4:44 ↗ reason that an administrative adjustment

4:46 ↗ of standards is required is because this

4:49 ↗ this building is within central Issaquah

4:51 ↗ and the central Issaquah plan sign code

4:56 ↗ does state that signs shall be located

4:59 ↗ on the portion of a building's facade

5:02 ↗ associated with the business it is

5:04 ↗ advertising and that has has been a

5:14 ↗ regulation in the in our sign code for

5:17 ↗ many many years and but we are given a

5:23 ↗ the application is given the option of

5:26 ↗ applying for administrative adjustment

5:27 ↗ of standards to locate a sign on an

5:29 ↗ alternate frontage and I'll read that

5:31 ↗ sign code section in a minute but one

5:34 ↗ thing we did before we brought this

5:36 ↗ forward to you as we did talk to the

5:38 ↗ city attorney and basically said okay

5:40 ↗ well so what if the the Development

5:43 ↗ Commission in 2009 did specifically say

5:46 ↗ that you can have signs there for

5:48 ↗ tenants that they're not on the third

5:49 ↗ floor and basically what the the city

5:52 ↗ attorney said is land use approval like

5:55 ↗ the site development permit that was

5:56 ↗ approved is valid for three years and

5:58 ↗ after that period of time then whatever

6:01 ↗ comes in needs to meet the current codes

6:03 ↗ that are in place and so we're reviewing

6:05 ↗ it with the central Issaquah plan

6:08 ↗ standards with which as I said has that

6:10 ↗ statement with regard to sign location

6:15 ↗ and this this past year we received the

6:20 ↗ application to have those two new signs

6:22 ↗ put up and I will let the applicant in

6:25 ↗ just a minute

6:26 ↗ to explain their their their reason for

6:28 ↗ requesting that adjustment this is the

6:32 ↗ section of the the central Issaquah plan

6:34 ↗ that describes administrative

6:36 ↗ adjustments of standards and in

6:39 ↗ particular I wanted to point out the

6:40 ↗ approval criteria at the bottom because

6:42 ↗ your decision on whether to approve or

6:45 ↗ deny the administrative adjustment

6:46 ↗ should be based on these approval

6:48 ↗ criteria right here

6:50 ↗ but as I mentioned the adjustment of

6:52 ↗ standards is something that is in the

6:55 ↗ code to allow some flexibility when we

6:58 ↗ reviewing applications but also

7:00 ↗ maintaining consistency with the vision

7:03 ↗ and goals and policy while we're

7:05 ↗ allowing for some flexibility it talks

7:09 ↗ about scope as well there's a limit on

7:12 ↗ what we can do administrative

7:14 ↗ adjustments for and what we can't and

7:16 ↗ for example with regard to signs as you

7:19 ↗ see under K here we could not do an

7:23 ↗ administrative adjustment to increase

7:25 ↗ the number of signs of business can have

7:27 ↗ we could not do an administrative

7:29 ↗ adjustment to allow signs the types of

7:31 ↗ signs that are already prohibited and we

7:34 ↗ also cannot do it an administrative

7:36 ↗ adjustment to increase letter height

7:37 ↗ above the maximum allowed but to allow

7:41 ↗ signs on an alternate frontage is one of

7:43 ↗ the things we can do administrative

7:45 ↗ adjustments for and as you see at number

7:49 ↗ three it talks about the process that

7:50 ↗ administrative adjustment of standards

7:52 ↗ in central Issaquah most of them are

7:54 ↗ done through a level zero review process

7:57 ↗ which means it would just be through the

7:58 ↗ sign permit essentially that we

8:00 ↗ administrative Lea would make that

8:02 ↗ decision but we do have an option to

8:05 ↗ bump up the decision to a higher level

8:07 ↗ of review and that's what we've done

8:09 ↗ tonight is we even though we could

8:12 ↗ review and decide administrative Lea we

8:15 ↗ would like the Development Commission to

8:17 ↗ make the decision for a couple of

8:19 ↗ reasons one because like I said you

8:21 ↗ looked at this and approved the building

8:24 ↗ a few years ago and then also you know

8:27 ↗ as I'll talk about we're a little

8:28 ↗ concerned about precedence and so I

8:30 ↗ think it'd be good for the Commission to

8:33 ↗ make that decision and so as I mentioned

8:37 ↗ the these criteria is what the decisions

8:40 ↗ should be based on and I'll just read

8:42 ↗ through them real quick

8:44 ↗ the first is vision is the

8:46 ↗ administrative adjustment is the

8:48 ↗ proposed alternative is it equal or

8:50 ↗ superior to the central Issaquah plan

8:52 ↗ vision goals and policies the proposal

8:56 ↗ will not create negative impacts to the

8:58 ↗ abutting properties

9:02 ↗ - bee buzzing budding properties

9:04 ↗ rights-of-way dedicated tracks or

9:06 ↗ easements with regard to compatibility

9:09 ↗ the proposal is compatible with the

9:11 ↗ character of the surrounding properties

9:13 ↗ and their potential development under

9:15 ↗ the central Issaquah plan intense the

9:18 ↗ adjustment will be equal to or superior

9:20 ↗ and fulfilling the intent and purpose of

9:22 ↗ the original requirements safety the

9:26 ↗ proposal does not negatively impact any

9:28 ↗ safety features on the project nor

9:30 ↗ create any hazardous features and

9:31 ↗ finally services the proposal will not

9:33 ↗ create negative impacts to public

9:36 ↗ services and so finally as I mentioned

9:41 ↗ the the administration we are

9:43 ↗ recommending denial of the

9:45 ↗ administrative adjustment of standards

9:46 ↗ as I said we're most concerned about the

9:48 ↗ precedents that it's that as the the not

9:52 ↗ allowing signs on walls other than your

9:56 ↗ own as I said has been a long-standing

9:59 ↗ regulation we've had many many

10:02 ↗ discussion with applicants who who for

10:06 ↗ increased visibility wanted to locate

10:08 ↗ their sign on somebody else's tenant

10:10 ↗ space and so like I said we're a little

10:14 ↗ concerned if we open that door a little

10:16 ↗ bit the the precedents that it might say

10:19 ↗ and then there's also challenges that

10:21 ↗ would be involved if if we start to

10:24 ↗ allow this one of them would be how do

10:27 ↗ we calculate the size of the sign you

10:29 ↗ know what'll be based on where the sign

10:32 ↗ is located the wall that the sign is

10:33 ↗ located or would still be based on the

10:35 ↗ wall facade of that particular tenant

10:38 ↗ even though it's on a different space if

10:41 ↗ the owners change I know one of the the

10:44 ↗ things the applicants have mentioned is

10:46 ↗ that they you know they're only gonna

10:47 ↗ allow those those two signs there and

10:50 ↗ even though the the tenants that on the

10:52 ↗ third floor wouldn't be able to have

10:54 ↗ their signs there but as we know owners

10:56 ↗ change and we will always be held to the

11:00 ↗ sign code as far as what we can allow

11:01 ↗ and what we can't so we wouldn't be able

11:05 ↗ to necessarily enforce rules that just

11:07 ↗ apply to that particular building and

11:11 ↗ then I would just add if you do

11:13 ↗ support the application if you do a move

11:15 ↗ to approve the administrative adjustment

11:18 ↗ I would just ask that you be real

11:22 ↗ specific about what's unique about this

11:24 ↗ situation because again we would be

11:26 ↗ pointing to this decision when other

11:29 ↗ people ask and we'll have to see if

11:30 ↗ they're in a similar situation or not

11:32 ↗ and then also if this is something that

11:35 ↗ you know that you think the applicants

11:37 ↗ should have the ability to do and that

11:39 ↗ the development commission or the

11:41 ↗ administration should be able to approve

11:43 ↗ signs on somebody else's frontage again

11:46 ↗ mention that as well because that could

11:47 ↗ turn into say a sign code amendment so I

11:51 ↗ said I look forward to hearing what you

11:53 ↗ have to say about it and and I will now

11:55 ↗ turn it over to the applicant who I know

11:57 ↗ would like to make a presentation and

11:59 ↗ make their case so Bob if you want to

12:04 ↗ come on yeah and you can use the arrows

12:08 ↗ - yeah I'm Bob Patton I was the design

12:18 ↗ architect on the building in a very

12:19 ↗ familiar with how the sign system was

12:22 ↗ designed and how we set design standards

12:25 ↗ for the building the main thing about

12:28 ↗ this site and it was selected because it

12:31 ↗ was on a very high traffic highway and

12:35 ↗ directly across you need to excuse me

12:38 ↗ certainly need this a very high traffic

12:40 ↗ highway in fact a major arterial Street

12:43 ↗ not at all like what's in the central

12:46 ↗ business district other than the Main

12:48 ↗ Street coming through town and it was

12:51 ↗ across the street from the new transit

12:55 ↗ terminal to be built at that time so the

12:59 ↗ site had a series of challenges with it

13:01 ↗ that it still has today you can only

13:04 ↗ access this site from one of the streets

13:06 ↗ on the south and every property on this

13:10 ↗ Highway in this area has the same issue

13:12 ↗ so the frontage is on the side that's

13:16 ↗ unaccessible and in fact when you look

13:19 ↗ on through this you'll find that from a

13:21 ↗ pedestrian standpoint it's not really

13:24 ↗ viewable

13:27 ↗ so um you're all familiar with this road

13:30 ↗ and your and the different things around

13:34 ↗ it let's see what's gonna get us the

13:36 ↗ next one up Chris

13:37 ↗ down down okay so if we look at the site

13:41 ↗ a little bit more you'll see that there

13:44 ↗ are there is a vehicle entry on the back

13:47 ↗ side of the site on both mall and Lee

13:51 ↗ Street not least feet I'm sorry mall

13:54 ↗ Street and different projects maple

13:57 ↗ Maple Street and that both of those have

14:00 ↗ been improved to provide access into the

14:03 ↗ building both for vehicles and for cars

14:08 ↗ the other thing that's unique about this

14:11 ↗ site is that the tenancy in this

14:13 ↗ building the building's designed

14:15 ↗ specifically for a medical office use in

14:18 ↗ doing that it's got additional elevator

14:22 ↗ sizes in it it's got a special

14:26 ↗ air-conditioning system in it it's got

14:28 ↗ extra power it's got backup power and it

14:32 ↗ has to have an image that portrays a

14:36 ↗ practiced medical professional not a

14:40 ↗ Gordon airy office building not a strip

14:42 ↗ center it has a specific image that it

14:45 ↗ needs for those buildings to be

14:46 ↗ successful since the building was built

14:49 ↗ with those qualities to it it's

14:52 ↗ dedicated for that single use so this is

14:55 ↗ a unique situation here let's go down

15:00 ↗ right so the building now has existing

15:04 ↗ signage on it at two ends of it in the

15:06 ↗ middle the amount of signage on the

15:08 ↗ building right now is slightly less than

15:13 ↗ what's permitted by code so this change

15:16 ↗ in the signs on the existing building

15:19 ↗ which don't align with any tenant in

15:22 ↗ there and never have

15:23 ↗ we're only put on there as markers to

15:26 ↗ recognize special medical professionals

15:29 ↗ there is no intent was ever considered

15:32 ↗ in designing it and in this type of

15:34 ↗ building the way that

15:36 ↗ tenants find the building is by the

15:39 ↗ building name and that's very common in

15:44 ↗ a medical so this is the front side when

15:46 ↗ you're walking along you're sitting in

15:48 ↗ your car this is what you're looking at

15:50 ↗ a major marquee sign and two other

15:53 ↗ secondary signs if you go over on to

15:58 ↗ mall Avenue you're seeing basically the

16:01 ↗ car screened and nothing on the building

16:03 ↗ but there is a pedestrian entry off that

16:06 ↗ side that leads you to the front of the

16:08 ↗ building so wayfinding and on the

16:11 ↗ opposite side in amongst this there's

16:13 ↗ actually a sidewalk that we'll see in

16:15 ↗ another slide that leads you into the

16:17 ↗ building so the wayfinding system here

16:20 ↗ is the critical part of the design that

16:21 ↗ has always been there that leads people

16:25 ↗ successfully from the Transit Center in

16:27 ↗ there so the fact that there's no signs

16:30 ↗ on the front of the building is in

16:31 ↗ material in terms of functional of an

16:33 ↗ office building right when you cost the

16:38 ↗ intersection on from the bus depot I'm

16:42 ↗ sorry the Transit Center this is the

16:44 ↗ view you have from the sidewalk clearly

16:47 ↗ identifies the building so this is the

16:53 ↗ thing that Chris showed you before the

16:55 ↗ sign program had several elements in it

16:57 ↗ it had directory signs it had individual

17:01 ↗ signs so when you got on-site you know

17:02 ↗ specifically where to go and what to do

17:05 ↗ and it also has a part inside the

17:07 ↗ building where people can be dropped off

17:09 ↗ out of the rain that's a special

17:12 ↗ function this is a unique building so

17:16 ↗ the we got two different systems if you

17:20 ↗ look at the blue dots you can follow up

17:23 ↗ the pictures that I've taken of how you

17:25 ↗ get in the building

17:26 ↗ the wayfinding system

17:34 ↗ so this is this is in the wintertime

17:37 ↗ when the plants are back but you can see

17:39 ↗ the sidewalk that leads you through the

17:41 ↗ plants into there and that's a little

17:44 ↗ window that you can see through and

17:50 ↗ there's a sidewalk that actually runs

17:52 ↗ along the street and there's a sidewalk

17:56 ↗ that runs down across to get you to the

17:59 ↗ front so the design of the sign system

18:01 ↗ in the wayfinding replaces any need for

18:04 ↗ having any signage because largely

18:08 ↗ medical practitioners communicate not to

18:12 ↗ signage on the building but through

18:14 ↗ professional publications and their

18:17 ↗ webpage so here it's the front of the

18:20 ↗ building oh by the way this comes out

18:22 ↗ across the front at one time we tried

18:24 ↗ before it Chris worked at the city we he

18:27 ↗ tried to get a connection to the

18:29 ↗ boardwalk which we couldn't do which

18:30 ↗ would have provided direct access for

18:32 ↗ pedestrians into the building but they

18:34 ↗ would arrive at the main lobby and this

18:38 ↗ is the inside of the lobby the minute

18:40 ↗ you walk in it has an identification

18:41 ↗ system every foot on the board every

18:46 ↗ floor has an elevator that goes up and

18:52 ↗ at the end of the quarter there's

18:54 ↗ signage so that anybody coming into the

18:58 ↗ building has a clear direction of how to

18:59 ↗ get to the floor once they're inside the

19:02 ↗ building and they got two sets of stairs

19:04 ↗ and they turn right they have no idea

19:05 ↗ where the front of the building is so

19:11 ↗ the second system we had was the vehicle

19:15 ↗ process of getting into the building and

19:18 ↗ it's much the same sequence we've got a

19:22 ↗ driveway on one side that you can only

19:24 ↗ go in and out of we've got the central

19:28 ↗ side located where you can see it from a

19:31 ↗ car and then we inside the building we

19:35 ↗ even have signage that identifies where

19:37 ↗ the lobby is once you get inside the

19:39 ↗ parking garage

19:42 ↗ these are dimensional these are the

19:46 ↗ directory signs so if you come by

19:48 ↗ vehicle or you come as a pedestrian you

19:50 ↗ know where who's in the building these

19:53 ↗ are the directional signs that note that

19:55 ↗ they say picked up way say where

19:56 ↗ additional parking is more of us

19:59 ↗ wayfinding system we still going right

20:06 ↗ so our proposed sign plan is to replace

20:12 ↗ those two signs one on each end of the

20:14 ↗ building in the same location there's no

20:18 ↗ change in anything else on the site

20:20 ↗ there's no other units in there let's

20:23 ↗ see if we can get to the next thing

20:27 ↗ we're not to 35 are we

20:46 ↗ yeah Chris can we can you help me a

20:51 ↗ second can you look on the stick and see

20:56 ↗ if there's a another longer presentation

21:01 ↗ is your 35 slides in it yeah 35 okay so

21:14 ↗ we're missing some at the end okay okay

21:17 ↗ well I have to apologize because I'm

21:19 ↗ missing some of the signs at the end the

21:22 ↗ next set of slides have to do with home

21:24 ↗ pages on websites within the building

21:28 ↗ and let me give you a pass these out

21:43 ↗ having more copy so after this is

21:52 ↗ exhibit number four

22:14 ↗ we need another one going good everybody

22:20 ↗ get one now we're missing one if there's

22:22 ↗ one more there's one world thanks

22:39 ↗ so the first sheet of course is the is a

22:42 ↗ site plan showing where the different

22:44 ↗ signs are that we looked at on the

22:45 ↗ slides the next page is a floor plan of

22:49 ↗ the building on the first floor which is

22:52 ↗ the first level above parking so when

22:57 ↗ you look at that floor plan you'll see

22:59 ↗ that there are two tenets three tenets

23:05 ↗ on the first floor you begin on a

23:10 ↗ medical office building to try and put

23:13 ↗ signage on that based on where they're

23:15 ↗ at how are you going to do that if you

23:18 ↗ only have one visible sign ban on the

23:20 ↗ building which is the it's the top

23:22 ↗ signage area so on the building you only

23:25 ↗ have really one visible place that you

23:27 ↗ can see signs which is the top of the

23:29 ↗ building because of the nature of the

23:31 ↗ trail the viewpoints that you have the

23:34 ↗ speed of the traffic going by there so

23:37 ↗ we only have one area which is the top

23:39 ↗ of the building to put signage imagine

23:42 ↗ what that would look like if it had

23:43 ↗ signs stuck all over the building is

23:45 ↗ that good architecture is that what they

23:48 ↗ wanted to do they want clutter of signs

23:51 ↗ on buildings placed on a haphazard way

23:53 ↗ no I don't think that's the objective I

23:55 ↗ think this is superior to anything that

23:57 ↗ they have in the code but the biggest

24:01 ↗ issue is how do you figure out looking

24:04 ↗ on the first floor plan where you put

24:06 ↗ signs on the building for each tenant

24:13 ↗ and then if we go to the second floor

24:16 ↗ plan the second floor level we have the

24:19 ↗ same issue in the major the major

24:23 ↗ tenants in the building are over lake

24:26 ↗ clinic they occupy 35% of the building

24:30 ↗ then the other one is UW Medicine they

24:32 ↗ occupy 35% how do you figure out where

24:35 ↗ you put signs on a building and both of

24:38 ↗ them have space on the front some of

24:40 ↗ them have space on the back so by the

24:42 ↗ same code somebody has to figure out how

24:44 ↗ how everybody gets signs on the front if

24:47 ↗ you begin to allow more signs for each

24:50 ↗ business in the building so for a

24:52 ↗ medical office building it just that's

24:55 ↗ why we have adjustments because those

24:58 ↗ code is written is written for

25:00 ↗ commercial buildings that are not

25:03 ↗ especially and don't have special site

25:05 ↗ considerations any questions

25:16 ↗ that conclude does that conclude the

25:18 ↗ comments you wanted to make as far as

25:23 ↗ compliance to each one of the individual

25:25 ↗ elements in the code when you go down

25:29 ↗ the list the Chris presented and you ask

25:37 ↗ yourself is this better building going

25:40 ↗ to look better with more signs plastered

25:41 ↗ all over in a random way no so I would

25:46 ↗ say that it provides it meets the vision

25:49 ↗ of having an organized sign program and

25:51 ↗ we've met the requirement to provide

25:53 ↗ directions through alternate means which

25:58 ↗ we did originally on this project

26:00 ↗ because we knew that it would be

26:01 ↗ shielded and wouldn't be visible from

26:03 ↗ the street is there any impact of

26:08 ↗ negative properties from changing those

26:10 ↗ signs out to a different sign with a

26:12 ↗ different name and are these signs out

26:17 ↗ of character of any other signs in that

26:19 ↗ neighborhood no there surfing's is

26:25 ↗ extraordinary and unique to the use in

26:27 ↗ the building yes and does this empower

26:32 ↗ any safety of any element here more

26:36 ↗ sciences more traffic issues looking at

26:38 ↗ signs driving up and down the highway to

26:41 ↗ have them in a clearly visible location

26:44 ↗ on the building that we have them is the

26:47 ↗ most there's the safest way to deal with

26:49 ↗ a major highway running in front of the

26:51 ↗ building

27:02 ↗ I think any questions well I think there

27:06 ↗ will be some discussion if you're

27:08 ↗ concluded with your comments since

27:10 ↗ there's no public I'll open the

27:12 ↗ discussion and ask for Commissioners for

27:15 ↗ their pots

27:28 ↗ my name is Mark Robeson and I'm the

27:31 ↗ owner of the building high mark

27:33 ↗ investments

27:34 ↗ I appreciate the Commission's time than

27:36 ↗ I'd appreciate the staff working with us

27:38 ↗ this is miss patty Nelson who runs our

27:42 ↗ real estate group and specifically has

27:45 ↗ been working on this building since that

27:47 ↗ we constructed it and we appreciate Bob

27:51 ↗ who's been with this project from day

27:53 ↗ one ground up and we hope that you look

27:59 ↗ favorably on the things that Bob is

28:02 ↗ brought to the forefront this evening

28:04 ↗ and we could have a homogeneous looking

28:08 ↗ building with these wonderful clients

28:11 ↗ that I'm very excited about to tell you

28:13 ↗ that we're looking like we've filled the

28:15 ↗ final out space and a very wanted very

28:20 ↗ needed medical use out here and that'll

28:23 ↗ be Seattle Cancer Care Alliance so that

28:26 ↗ they can serve some of the Eastside

28:27 ↗ patients without that concludes our

28:31 ↗ program thank you thank you sorry I

28:35 ↗ overlooked you so comments first

28:41 ↗ question for questions first and then

28:44 ↗ copy its I'm sorry

28:45 ↗ how about questions I have a question

28:47 ↗ how many tenets are in the building and

28:51 ↗ how many what capacity does it have

28:57 ↗ okay can you please step to the

29:01 ↗ microphone sorry I should have asked you

29:02 ↗ to step back up yeah we can go backwards

29:04 ↗ and if you look on your little drawing I

29:08 ↗ gave you you'll see a vacant space on

29:10 ↗ the second floor and there's about 2900

29:16 ↗ square foot of space left for

29:19 ↗ potentially for somebody to expand

29:21 ↗ that's already in the building or for

29:23 ↗ another use so you're only asking for

29:25 ↗ permission for two signs we're asking

29:27 ↗ permission to replace two signs on the

29:30 ↗ building in the same location that they

29:33 ↗ have been unrelated to where the tenants

29:36 ↗ were from the day that the building was

29:38 ↗ built and so you never see a need for a

29:40 ↗ sign for each individual tenant that's

29:42 ↗ all provided by the wayfinding in the

29:44 ↗ law I did not design the building for

29:46 ↗ anything more than three sides okay okay

29:50 ↗ all right that's all I had thank you

29:51 ↗ very much mm-hmm other questions

29:58 ↗ I guess one other question I presume it

30:00 ↗ looked like there's a sign there now for

30:02 ↗ the UW medical clinic that's on the

30:05 ↗ second floor that would come off it's a

30:07 ↗ temporary banner yeah okay um I'm

30:11 ↗ Christopher I have a question for you

30:12 ↗ are you able to pull up the section nine

30:17 ↗ point seven six I was looking at the

30:20 ↗ administrative adjustment standards

30:26 ↗ and the development standards and it

30:29 ↗ seemed to be different than the one

30:30 ↗ that's in our package it's in my letter

30:33 ↗ comes from one plate one

30:44 ↗ okay well let me see so you want to go

30:56 ↗ to the central Issaquah plan standards

30:58 ↗ yeah the development standards of

31:00 ↗ section 9

31:23 ↗ so we're specially 9.7 six

31:36 ↗ nine point seven six seven six yeah and

31:40 ↗ a way down there

31:54 ↗ this was I was looking at this this is

31:57 ↗ the administrative adjustment of

31:59 ↗ standards approval criteria and it's

32:03 ↗ it's slightly different than the

32:07 ↗ administrative adjustments approval

32:09 ↗ criteria that's in our package section 1

32:11 ↗ 1 and it looks like the two things

32:14 ↗ number one it didn't have it has the

32:17 ↗ five items but it doesn't have services

32:21 ↗ the six item in section 1.1 was services

32:26 ↗ that were not cricket of impact mm-hmm

32:29 ↗ and then it has a more detailed

32:32 ↗ discussion instead of compatibility I'm

32:36 ↗ sorry instead of intent to talks about

32:37 ↗ sufficient reason mm-hmm and then the

32:41 ↗ third thing was item a that conditions

32:45 ↗ can be imposed upon the grant of any

32:50 ↗ adjustment so in other words if we were

32:53 ↗ able if we were going to approve an

32:55 ↗ administrative adjustment standards we

32:57 ↗ can include a condition with that then

32:59 ↗ that's right yeah so these would be the

33:01 ↗ criteria that we will be using that

33:03 ↗ you'll be using in your decision now

33:05 ↗ it's in the memo but these would be the

33:07 ↗ criteria to use okay I'll keep this up

33:38 ↗ well--there's so when you look at item

33:41 ↗ four sufficient reason in the package

33:44 ↗ the approval criteria we have its intent

33:47 ↗ it says a equal to or superior and

33:51 ↗ fulfilling the intent of purpose

33:52 ↗ item four has a different kind of

33:55 ↗ wording I can bet extraordinary

34:00 ↗ circumstances and so forth and then the

34:02 ↗ conditions part that we can impose

34:05 ↗ conditions on our

34:11 ↗ that's correct thank you for pointing

34:13 ↗ that out you I guess one of the question

34:19 ↗ that would come up in my mind a question

34:21 ↗ for you would be if we had a condition

34:23 ↗ that said the only tenant signs can be

34:26 ↗ on the east side of the building could

34:28 ↗ be those two locations would that be

34:31 ↗ acceptable right so no other sign

34:36 ↗ locations right

34:45 ↗ couple of questions on the photo mock-up

34:49 ↗ that we saw the rendering I take it is

34:52 ↗ that one or two signs on the left side

34:54 ↗ University of Washington Medical Center

34:56 ↗ urgent care okay the one on the right

35:17 ↗ side is the one I think you're asking

35:20 ↗ about and there was two panels shown in

35:23 ↗ that sign I don't it does not have to be

35:26 ↗ two panels it can be one one tenant okay

35:30 ↗ so I'm looking at I guess stage right

35:33 ↗ but looking at the left side of the

35:35 ↗ building in our view right here the

35:36 ↗ University of Washington Medical Center

35:38 ↗ in urgent care sign that's what they

35:40 ↗ have in the building they have that in

35:42 ↗ the building both of those see they

35:45 ↗ occupied two tenant spaces in the

35:47 ↗ building they occupy 30 percent so it's

35:49 ↗ the University of Washington is the

35:52 ↗ tenant and that's a description of what

35:54 ↗ they also do in that right and I guess

35:57 ↗ I'm asking that as a single sign correct

35:59 ↗ yeah that's a single time yeah although

36:02 ↗ I perceive it at least in this rendering

36:04 ↗ as two different songs no yeah the way

36:06 ↗ that the sign is built it has a raceway

36:08 ↗ box and back of it and that one

36:11 ↗ continuous box and then acrylic letters

36:14 ↗ have pushed out in there backlit backlit

36:16 ↗ so they glow around the letter and

36:18 ↗ create the sign yeah and so that's a

36:20 ↗ little different

36:21 ↗ signage technology than is being used

36:23 ↗ here today is that right on the existing

36:26 ↗ ones not this one but the other ones the

36:28 ↗ technology that used today and that was

36:31 ↗ used originally he was never successful

36:33 ↗ I understand yeah and these are backlit

36:35 ↗ correct these are backlit yeah and the

36:38 ↗ original letters are backlit too but

36:40 ↗ they have their channel letters with

36:42 ↗ with a neon tube inside them which for a

36:45 ↗ practical sign for an individual tenant

36:48 ↗ is impossible to use right but

36:50 ↗ right different discussion and this this

36:53 ↗ rendering at least obviously these

36:55 ↗ colors are different from the signage on

36:58 ↗ the rest of the front of the building

36:59 ↗ correct we have brand colors here behind

37:02 ↗ University of Washington we have their

37:04 ↗ brand logo font and next to that we have

37:09 ↗ the red background for urgent care yeah

37:12 ↗ and then on the other side whatever sign

37:15 ↗ we end up putting up there is going to

37:17 ↗ be a single sign too and that might be a

37:21 ↗ different organization with different

37:22 ↗ brand colors different and so on right

37:25 ↗ and so I guess that raises a question in

37:27 ↗ my mind and I'm thinking about staffs

37:28 ↗ concern regarding precedent if let's say

37:32 ↗ there's another client who occupies 40%

37:35 ↗ of the building in the future and it's a

37:37 ↗ vibrant orange background color and logo

37:40 ↗ color do we permit that as well that's

37:42 ↗ the question this raises in my mind it

37:45 ↗ seems that we're addressing the idea of

37:47 ↗ placement of the sign visa vida code but

37:50 ↗ there are also other changes here in

37:52 ↗ regarding the perception of the number

37:54 ↗ of signs that's really occurring here as

37:56 ↗ well as the brand logo and background

37:58 ↗ colors the vibrancy of the colors that's

38:01 ↗ used so a question for staff Chris does

38:04 ↗ the architecture and urban design manual

38:06 ↗ I guess that's being incorporated as

38:08 ↗ chapter 18 of the SIDS is that right

38:13 ↗ my overall question is does that manual

38:16 ↗ and those standards apply the central

38:18 ↗ plan standards to apply here yes no so I

38:23 ↗ guess that would raise another question

38:25 ↗ to me would this be a Northwest

38:27 ↗ contemporary building in terms of those

38:30 ↗ standards and if so with those color

38:32 ↗ requirements apply though I don't know

38:36 ↗ that sign color is covered by building

38:39 ↗ color I'm gonna agree with you that I

38:44 ↗ don't believe the sign color really has

38:45 ↗ to go with the building color because if

38:46 ↗ as McDonald's

38:47 ↗ that's right colors are so heavy yellow

38:49 ↗ logo

38:53 ↗ I I guess my question I don't know if

39:02 ↗ it's even really basically irrelevant

39:04 ↗ but in this day and age of being guided

39:07 ↗ to your destination by a manufactured

39:12 ↗ voice I guess I don't really understand

39:16 ↗ if it's the high mark building and

39:18 ↗ they're clear there's a clear indication

39:23 ↗ of this is the high mark building at

39:26 ↗ this address I am not really clear about

39:31 ↗ why more signage is necessary I can

39:39 ↗ understand your question because you

39:42 ↗ know the question comes to me you give 1

39:44 ↗ do you allow any signage other than the

39:46 ↗ building and the answer to that really

39:50 ↗ is a prestigious client wants to be

39:53 ↗ recognized and that's what draws them to

39:55 ↗ the building so we in order to meet the

39:58 ↗ market demand of the practitioner a

40:00 ↗ major tenant is an expectation just like

40:04 ↗ they do on an office building of having

40:06 ↗ their name on it in addition to the

40:09 ↗ office building name but it's purely a

40:12 ↗ an expectation of the tenant in the

40:15 ↗ market market both so this isn't

40:17 ↗ primarily so people can find the

40:20 ↗ destination this is a client recognition

40:23 ↗ right yeah yeah because if once if you

40:27 ↗ look at those if you looked at the cuts

40:31 ↗ the homepage cuts how many of them have

40:33 ↗ a picture of the entry of the building

40:35 ↗ on I and if some of them have it almost

40:40 ↗ all of them have the name of the

40:41 ↗ building on it now the ones that don't

40:43 ↗ have the name have a number which is a

40:45 ↗ placed up high on the ends of the

40:47 ↗ building so you can see it coming from

40:49 ↗ either direction so Christopher the the

40:53 ↗ medical building on the north side of 90

40:57 ↗ at where the underpass is I'm not aware

41:01 ↗ of that having any external

41:03 ↗ practice signs on framing on these

41:07 ↗ hinderance you're right it did it says

41:09 ↗ this equal medical or right for the

41:11 ↗ building similar to the high mark

41:13 ↗ medical sign there but yeah I don't

41:15 ↗ think tenants have signage on the

41:17 ↗ exterior there thank you there is a

41:21 ↗ directory board sign in this building

41:23 ↗ right the list tenants I think I saw

41:25 ↗ that um oh there's a directory board

41:27 ↗ sign and then at each one of the

41:29 ↗ driveway entrances there's a directory

41:31 ↗ board sign too and then you get inside

41:34 ↗ the building and there's endless amount

41:36 ↗ of direction you know what the the hours

41:39 ↗ are of the urgent care operation pardon

41:42 ↗ you know what the hours are of the

41:44 ↗ urgent care operation handy sorry you

41:48 ↗ have to come to the microphone get you

41:51 ↗ on TV and introduce yourself please eww

41:55 ↗ medicines urgent care operations are

41:56 ↗ seven days a week they're there until

41:58 ↗ open to the public until 8 p.m. during

42:01 ↗ the week until 6 o'clock on Saturday and

42:04 ↗ from 8:00 to 5:00 on Sundays would you

42:07 ↗ state your name please

42:07 ↗ oh sorry patty Nelson okay anything else

42:11 ↗ so in terms of I guess one thought is in

42:14 ↗ terms of somebody needs to go to Urgent

42:17 ↗ Care on SR 900 see at 7 o'clock at night

42:22 ↗ and it's a dark to see a sign

42:25 ↗ this would be an illuminated sign they

42:26 ↗ would know yes being robbed here's where

42:29 ↗ I need to go yes speaking for UW that

42:32 ↗ was one of the objectives as they wanted

42:34 ↗ the the urgent care portion to be

42:36 ↗ extremely visible for wayfinding right

42:39 ↗ so I I have a question how long has the

42:43 ↗ Urgent Care been in the facility they've

42:47 ↗ been in there since January of 2017 as

42:50 ↗ UW Medicine Urgent Care opened their

42:52 ↗ doors that portion of their clinic in

42:54 ↗ July of 2017 yeah so are there I won't

43:02 ↗ say that

43:03 ↗ what what what services have not been

43:06 ↗ redeemed because there wasn't a sign

43:08 ↗ there today I don't have the answer to

43:11 ↗ that question I can't speak then

43:13 ↗ people are finding the urgent care place

43:15 ↗ somehow with what amount of ease I can't

43:17 ↗ speak to thank you

43:20 ↗ the question now a virgin care is quite

43:23 ↗ different from emergency services

43:25 ↗ correct would you characterize her

43:27 ↗ didn't care for us a little bit I would

43:28 ↗ call it a walk-in clinic not an

43:31 ↗ emergency room they have transported

43:37 ↗ patients to the emergency room I often

43:40 ↗ times will receive phone calls letting

43:41 ↗ me know there'll be a vehicle left in

43:42 ↗ the parking lot overnight because

43:44 ↗ they've had to have a patient

43:45 ↗ transported so I think it's realistic to

43:47 ↗ assume that just like any other Urgent

43:50 ↗ Care place it's it's one-step

43:52 ↗ potentially on the way to the emergency

43:54 ↗ a good example my wife hurt her finger a

43:59 ↗ few days ago the clinic couldn't take a

44:02 ↗ ran at Virginia Mason and so she went to

44:04 ↗ didn't want to go to the emergency room

44:07 ↗ it wasn't that bad but went to Urgent

44:09 ↗ Care to get an x-ray I think it's the

44:13 ↗ middle ground between just a walk-in

44:15 ↗ clinic and the emergency sorry I want to

44:23 ↗ say we also have other examples in the

44:25 ↗ area of other urgent cares that have

44:27 ↗ very large urgent care signs facing

44:29 ↗ major streets we've logged those in the

44:32 ↗ past right like that Overlake over by

44:36 ↗ Fred Myers this is where my wife went

44:38 ↗ yeah she knew I was there because of the

44:40 ↗ sign exactly who is our other major

44:42 ↗ tenant in the building as this relates

44:45 ↗ to find äj--

44:45 ↗ over Lake is

44:52 ↗ other questions just to reiterate these

45:01 ↗ will not be signs if they're approved

45:03 ↗ and they're illuminated they will go off

45:07 ↗ when the office closes they will not be

45:09 ↗ on all night is that correct

45:11 ↗ pop you have the answer to that as far

45:14 ↗ as the design of them goes yeah I've fed

45:20 ↗ back again the signs are on a separate

45:24 ↗ metered circuit on on the in the

45:28 ↗ electrical room with the timer on him

45:30 ↗ so they actually go on and off now that

45:32 ↗ you can't tell him but you can't tell

45:34 ↗ but the intent is that there they're not

45:37 ↗ illuminated at night they're only

45:38 ↗ illuminated at the times that businesses

45:41 ↗ are hoping it's I'm Christopher I'm not

45:45 ↗ familiar enough with it with the with

45:47 ↗ the SIDS code where do signings is that

45:50 ↗ a requirement as opposed to the goodwill

45:53 ↗ of the and in question it's not

45:56 ↗ something that we regulate as far as

45:59 ↗ there's nothing says signs have to be

46:01 ↗ turned off when the business is not in

46:03 ↗ business

46:08 ↗ I come back to the colors for a moment

46:11 ↗ sure I believe is it a requirement that

46:17 ↗ colors that are going to be used on

46:19 ↗ signs have to be specified in a permit

46:21 ↗ at Craigs right so do we have a clear

46:27 ↗ idea of how many colors could

46:29 ↗ potentially appear in the front of this

46:30 ↗ building in other words are these signs

46:35 ↗ that we're seeing here and considering

46:37 ↗ tonight the only colors that would be

46:40 ↗ used for secondary signs do we know what

46:42 ↗ colors were facing here I think it's

46:46 ↗ impossible this time to know in the

46:48 ↗ future what a color will be on on the

46:50 ↗ actual signboard right now you know the

46:55 ↗ UW has their signature colors Overlake

46:58 ↗ has their signature colors but what the

47:01 ↗ next tenant does and be subject to the

47:04 ↗ regulatory process of colors on sites

47:07 ↗ the building colors are fixed okay and

47:12 ↗ I'm wondering I guess how we as a

47:15 ↗ commission would address that typically

47:18 ↗ I mean on signs it's been signed collars

47:21 ↗ is specific the sign that comes in front

47:24 ↗ of us but we don't I don't think we've

47:27 ↗ ever made the limit sign color to a

47:33 ↗ limited palette of colors again because

47:37 ↗ it's large part branding for companies

47:39 ↗ and in Chris Berg I guess another

47:45 ↗ question are we just looking at the

47:47 ↗ approval of a sign location for this and

47:50 ↗ staff is doing this sign approval itself

47:53 ↗ yeah the administrative adjustment

47:54 ↗ standards is just for the sign location

47:57 ↗ subsequently then we will be reviewing

47:59 ↗ the actual sign permit application that

48:02 ↗ will include the installation details

48:04 ↗ the illumination the colors but you see

48:07 ↗ that's that's what will be next is we'll

48:10 ↗ review the sign permit application would

48:12 ↗ that be done at staff level it would be

48:13 ↗ like but there's no reason you couldn't

48:15 ↗ comment on

48:20 ↗ so I want to make sure I have it clear

48:22 ↗ in my head right now we're just looking

48:24 ↗ at the signs on the south side of the

48:28 ↗ building the UW and the urgent care or

48:31 ↗ the east side on the west side then

48:33 ↗ there could be two other signs for do

48:35 ↗ two different tenants the intent is to

48:46 ↗ have one tenant signage on each corner

48:49 ↗ so not multiple tenants on each corner I

48:53 ↗ believe he's a keep asking if there's

48:56 ↗ gonna be signage on the opposite side of

48:57 ↗ the building from this one we're looking

49:08 ↗ at East here the building looks at

49:09 ↗ what's supposed to be permanent open

49:11 ↗ space but right now it's a storage art

49:15 ↗ you know the website yeah so if we go

49:22 ↗ here the west

49:35 ↗ and so where is the directional sign the

49:39 ↗ direction you have to just go back here

49:42 ↗ let's see if we can get a different

49:43 ↗ window

49:43 ↗ are we on your self Chris I know well if

49:48 ↗ I said switch over to mind if we can go

49:50 ↗ down okay directional sign go back to

50:02 ↗ keep going

50:10 ↗ okay so the directional signs are where

50:14 ↗ they're shown on this site planned and

50:17 ↗ they're actually in place in the field

50:18 ↗ thereby where they're appropriate to

50:26 ↗ direct people in different places see if

50:30 ↗ we can get some pictures of them here so

50:32 ↗ that there's on pay a a one point three

50:38 ↗ there in the upper left there is a item

50:42 ↗ recognized it's called an entrance sign

50:44 ↗ and below it is the directional sign so

50:46 ↗ the entrance signs are there they

50:48 ↗ entrance to the parking lot on the let's

50:52 ↗ see the southwest corner and the north

50:57 ↗ west corner yes okay and and where is

51:19 ↗ the directional sign you're gonna have

51:23 ↗ to go internal showing on here the

51:27 ↗ directions it says patient drop-off

51:37 ↗ okay thank you see if I can

51:48 ↗ other questions yes the comments well

51:55 ↗ are we gonna deliberate on the potential

51:59 ↗ sure

52:00 ↗ first I'd like to I would I guess my

52:05 ↗ view is I take away from this now when

52:08 ↗ you're asking for an exception to the

52:11 ↗ rules gauged on screening it through

52:13 ↗ this criteria is that you have an

52:15 ↗ extraordinary circumstance and or I may

52:19 ↗ be adding my own words to this but what

52:24 ↗ is afforded to one should also be

52:26 ↗ afforded to another so I take I take

52:29 ↗ this building in particular is accessed

52:31 ↗ by a common lobby and all of the tenants

52:33 ↗ are accessed by a common lobby versus a

52:36 ↗ storefront configuration they Overlake

52:40 ↗ urgent medical has a storefront you go

52:43 ↗ in a storefront so so the sign being

52:48 ↗ right over the tenant makes sense so I

52:51 ↗ feel like if they have the potential to

52:55 ↗ be afforded signage shouldn't also a

52:59 ↗ comparable business be afforded the same

53:02 ↗ same rights and privileges therefore

53:05 ↗ they're extraordinary circumstances that

53:07 ↗ they just don't have a storefront

53:09 ↗ oriented building they have more of an

53:11 ↗ office lobby entrance type building with

53:14 ↗ multiple tenants within so if I look at

53:18 ↗ it in that context I feel like they

53:23 ↗ should have but I would like I was like

53:27 ↗ here what you guys think as well does

53:28 ↗ that make sense what I'm saying I think

53:30 ↗ I think it's the type of building and

53:32 ↗ and and so so if urgent care they should

53:35 ↗ have the the potential to advertise

53:37 ↗ their urgent care

53:39 ↗ I'll grant if they could go find another

53:41 ↗ place for their urgent care that's a

53:43 ↗ potential - but but I just feel like the

53:46 ↗ use is approved so shouldn't they then

53:49 ↗ be afforded the same privilege as

53:51 ↗ another that's my

53:56 ↗ Kristopher what is the city's

54:00 ↗ reservation about this request for an

54:03 ↗ AAS well as I said it would be the first

54:08 ↗ time that we would be approving a sign

54:10 ↗ on somebody else's tenant space the

54:16 ↗ Remax building we involved in that on

54:18 ↗ Front Street there's yeah there's been

54:21 ↗ there are a couple of examples when

54:23 ↗ there is shared common area like yeah

54:27 ↗ that was either a stairwell or bathrooms

54:32 ↗ that are shared by everybody in the

54:34 ↗ building that's about as stretched as

54:37 ↗ we've gotten on on that alternate

54:40 ↗ frontage but yeah those those are a

54:43 ↗ couple of examples again it wasn't

54:44 ↗ somebody else's tenant space it was

54:46 ↗ shared tenant space but it wasn't on

54:49 ↗ somebody else's wall well I agree with

54:54 ↗ my colleague here and his comments but

54:58 ↗ the thing that kind of found it's

55:00 ↗ causing a media giving me pause is that

55:03 ↗ the the indication that this is not or

55:08 ↗ clients patients rather to find where

55:13 ↗ they're going it's because the clients

55:17 ↗ want their name out there and frankly

55:23 ↗ I'm not sure that's grounds for an

55:28 ↗ adjustment of code I mean I think it's

55:32 ↗ legitimate for the client to want that

55:33 ↗ but I'm having a little trouble saying

55:38 ↗ yeah we ought to give an adjustment AAS

55:40 ↗ because one of the tenant or the tenants

55:43 ↗ are high prestige elements and they want

55:45 ↗ the Huskies sign and colors out there on

55:48 ↗ the building I'm just I'm not sure

55:51 ↗ that's a legitimate reason if I might

55:54 ↗ disclose that I made her up you didn't

55:55 ↗ arrest you but so this is this where I

56:00 ↗ disclosed them are proud UW graduate and

56:03 ↗ um well your shirt speaks for itself

56:08 ↗ I can see where you're coming away from

56:12 ↗ that however it is an urgent care and

56:15 ↗ sometimes people don't know exactly the

56:16 ↗ one that is when they need one and if

56:18 ↗ they're driving down the street it'd be

56:20 ↗ nice to have the signage there that they

56:21 ↗ could recognize that has a place they

56:23 ↗ can go at seven o'clock at night if they

56:25 ↗ have like you said their finger falling

56:26 ↗ off it's I think visibility is important

56:31 ↗ to them the business and the clientele

56:34 ↗ and the ability to track clientele for

56:36 ↗ that kind of business and you know it's

56:39 ↗ not I don't think it's just to get their

56:40 ↗ name on the board but also to advertise

56:43 ↗ what they're doing there so there is

56:45 ↗ some use there it's not just a medical

56:48 ↗ building with people's offices it's also

56:50 ↗ an urgent care which is a slightly

56:51 ↗ different use case than just you know um

56:54 ↗ optometrists agree I didn't know what

56:58 ↗ that building was until the banner went

56:59 ↗ up I had no idea you dumb medical is in

57:02 ↗ there and so for me it is helpful to

57:03 ↗ know where these things are just

57:06 ↗ creating a mental image of what's where

57:11 ↗ that's just how I get around but I I

57:14 ↗ guess another way to look at this too is

57:16 ↗ it isn't don't aren't they meeting the

57:20 ↗ spirit or the intent of the code and

57:22 ↗ that the the signage should be situated

57:29 ↗ where in the space the tenant is

57:32 ↗ occupying well it is there the tenants

57:34 ↗ in that building you know and and so if

57:37 ↗ you look at it as a building versus a

57:39 ↗ unit I think it meets the spirit of the

57:43 ↗ code it's it is where the tenant is

57:49 ↗ Christopher did you pull up on the

57:53 ↗ screen and said the shot could are pull

57:55 ↗ up the shot that shows the view from SR

57:57 ↗ 900 the building especially the one that

58:00 ↗ shows the proposed sign

58:12 ↗ this I guess one way one way I would

58:16 ↗ look at this as when we go through the

58:21 ↗ criteria the vision the proposal terms

58:24 ↗ equal or superior to central and vision

58:27 ↗ goals and policies and I think in terms

58:29 ↗ of the attract the location of the sign

58:32 ↗ seems appropriate to not have multiple

58:36 ↗ signs all over the building to me seems

58:38 ↗ appropriate I think if we didn't know

58:42 ↗ who the tenant was if they were just

58:43 ↗ signs and there were just signs at those

58:45 ↗ locations I think it would fit with

58:47 ↗ architectural attractiveness it won't

58:51 ↗ impact the access and won't impact the

58:53 ↗ safety I think it's going to be

58:56 ↗ compatible with other buildings I don't

58:58 ↗ think there's anything that would be

59:00 ↗ incompatible with so it comes down to

59:02 ↗ sufficient reason in my mind and what

59:05 ↗ would strike me here is that a couple

59:07 ↗ things one because of the use because of

59:09 ↗ the urgent care but more importantly the

59:13 ↗ way the building is set back it's

59:15 ↗ designed in the precentral Issaquah plan

59:17 ↗ design standards where it's set back

59:20 ↗ fairly far from a fast-moving highway

59:24 ↗ with a boardwalk and then the

59:27 ↗ substantial amount of vegetation in

59:29 ↗ between and signs lower down on the

59:32 ↗ building and they're very unlikely to be

59:33 ↗ seen by anybody and when I look at the

59:36 ↗ sign code intent contribute to the

59:40 ↗ economic well-being of the community I

59:42 ↗ don't think signs that people don't see

59:44 ↗ are going to help and encourage signage

59:48 ↗ functional whimsical artful creative and

59:50 ↗ attractive I think it would be

59:51 ↗ attractive and I think it's more

59:52 ↗ functional at the table and I I guess

59:58 ↗ for that I would part of if this

1:00:00 ↗ building was being built under the new

1:00:02 ↗ central Issaquah code at the street then

1:00:06 ↗ I don't think we would have as much of

1:00:07 ↗ an issue because you could have a sign

1:00:09 ↗ in the middle of the building on the

1:00:11 ↗ second floor and it would be visible in

1:00:13 ↗ this case I don't think that's the case

1:00:16 ↗ I think that would the other thing I

1:00:18 ↗ would say my limitation would be

1:00:20 ↗ condition that the only signs other than

1:00:24 ↗ the building signed in the center on

1:00:25 ↗ this Assad would be the to sign

1:00:29 ↗ locations shown on the third floor so

1:00:33 ↗ that we don't get any more signs in

1:00:34 ↗ addition to this and so that would be I

1:00:38 ↗ would view as the exception that would I

1:00:42 ↗ know about precedents because I truly

1:00:45 ↗ understand the importance of that but I

1:00:47 ↗ can see given that this design of this

1:00:49 ↗ building precentral Issaquah plan the

1:00:52 ↗ location the visibility that we could

1:00:55 ↗ have this as a administrative adjustment

1:01:00 ↗ agree clarification and now the maximum

1:01:04 ↗ number of secondary signs that can be on

1:01:06 ↗ this building per code is two is that

1:01:08 ↗ right no so you're using term secondary

1:01:16 ↗ signs so each tenant could have a sign

1:01:19 ↗ on their tenant space if the if they

1:01:22 ↗ have more than one frontage throughout a

1:01:25 ↗ corner then that tenant could

1:01:27 ↗ potentially have to a primary sign of a

1:01:30 ↗ secondary sign we could end up with

1:01:33 ↗ signs on the first floor the second

1:01:35 ↗ floor and the third floor

1:01:36 ↗ yep or or we could condition we could

1:01:40 ↗ make conditions for the except for the

1:01:41 ↗ variance like we can make conditions and

1:01:44 ↗ that these would be the only sign yeah

1:01:47 ↗ yeah I may have misread this I thought

1:01:49 ↗ in 917 be it said that a maximum of two

1:01:52 ↗ primary and two secondary signs were

1:01:54 ↗ allowed on this type of thoroughfare

1:01:58 ↗ that's per tenant not per building

1:02:09 ↗ so are you saying the potential is for

1:02:11 ↗ 10 primary and secondary signs here give

1:02:16 ↗ it to president how many tenants are on

1:02:17 ↗ the that facade because that's something

1:02:22 ↗ fine it perfe saw its per tenant space

1:02:26 ↗ facade area basically so these two

1:02:29 ↗ secondary signs were simply part of the

1:02:32 ↗ permit that was part of this building

1:02:35 ↗ originally right it was specific to this

1:02:38 ↗ building and their location because

1:02:44 ↗ they're not necessarily in on top of the

1:02:47 ↗ facade that correlates to the business

1:02:49 ↗ that's being done and we place a

1:02:52 ↗ condition that limits code potential

1:02:57 ↗ meaning we approve the variance or the

1:03:01 ↗ exception that's it you can't then ask

1:03:06 ↗ for additional signs except unless you

1:03:10 ↗ want yeah

1:03:14 ↗ what's the could you read the back

1:03:16 ↗ condition criteria again so let's see so

1:03:24 ↗ conditions may be imposed upon the grant

1:03:26 ↗ of any adjustment unless otherwise

1:03:28 ↗ specified the adjustment shall be

1:03:30 ↗ subject to all plans specifications and

1:03:32 ↗ conditions set forth in the application

1:03:41 ↗ so if they came back and said we want to

1:03:44 ↗ put another sign somewhere else in the

1:03:46 ↗ building even though there's a condition

1:03:49 ↗ that says we can't do it we would say

1:03:51 ↗ well you have a sign that's pretended

1:03:55 ↗ not in that location to have that be

1:03:58 ↗ allowed you can't do that other side

1:04:00 ↗ yeah

1:04:05 ↗ I'm honestly I'm not sure the answer or

1:04:07 ↗ that I'm the reason I hesitate is if we

1:04:13 ↗ put that condition on it again there's

1:04:14 ↗ the the three years that a land use

1:04:17 ↗ decision is valid for and what happens

1:04:20 ↗ after that and that was a way to consult

1:04:22 ↗ our city attorney about that even with

1:04:25 ↗ administrative adjustment well and then

1:04:29 ↗ it might depend on what the code that's

1:04:32 ↗ in place at the time you know if that

1:04:34 ↗ hasn't changed at all that would seem

1:04:39 ↗ strange that after three years that your

1:04:41 ↗ condition to your adjustment would go

1:04:43 ↗ away and that may be possible again then

1:04:47 ↗ it becomes a non-conforming sign sort of

1:04:56 ↗ seem to obviate the purpose of having

1:04:58 ↗ the condition

1:05:03 ↗ so summarize summarizing what I think

1:05:08 ↗ I've heard it sounds like there's

1:05:10 ↗ general general agreement that approval

1:05:13 ↗ of of this particular sign these

1:05:17 ↗ particular signs would be acceptable

1:05:20 ↗ there's concern about what may happen in

1:05:23 ↗ the future is that is that what I'm

1:05:25 ↗ hearing and my concerns are around as I

1:05:31 ↗ said collars number of competing brand

1:05:34 ↗ colors we could have on the front of the

1:05:35 ↗ building depending on how many secondary

1:05:37 ↗ signs are allowed yeah and so the the

1:05:45 ↗ sense would be that we would we could if

1:05:48 ↗ we were to approve it we we would be

1:05:50 ↗ inclined to condition it so that there

1:05:53 ↗ wouldn't be other competing signs put up

1:05:56 ↗ and then the issue is how long would

1:05:59 ↗ that stay in effect yeah yeah and I like

1:06:02 ↗ that I know the applicants are open to

1:06:05 ↗ enforcing that restriction themselves

1:06:08 ↗ but I'm stopping short of saying that

1:06:10 ↗ the city would be able to enforce

1:06:11 ↗ something above and beyond you know

1:06:14 ↗ that's more restrictive than what the

1:06:15 ↗ code allows the applicant certainly can

1:06:18 ↗ do that but I don't know if the city

1:06:20 ↗ could I mean if it's a even if it's a

1:06:27 ↗ condition to an administrative

1:06:29 ↗ adjustment

1:06:35 ↗ so what is the desire of the Commission

1:06:38 ↗ well can I ask one more question what if

1:06:40 ↗ what if what if can we explore the path

1:06:44 ↗ of not accepting the exception then what

1:06:49 ↗ is there I guess would be my question

1:06:52 ↗ because it is is it as it sounds none of

1:06:56 ↗ the tenant spaces correlate to the

1:07:00 ↗ facade that the signage is on so are we

1:07:04 ↗ suggesting that there would be no

1:07:07 ↗ signage as an alternative like like what

1:07:10 ↗ happens if we've declined the variance

1:07:11 ↗ or that Joseph the adjustment sorry

1:07:15 ↗ what I was suggesting do you have that

1:07:17 ↗ picture that shows that banner sign one

1:07:21 ↗ of the photos shows that so it's just

1:07:24 ↗ blank yeah there's one

1:07:35 ↗ I think that was in one of these you can

1:07:39 ↗ kind of see it in that one right there

1:07:42 ↗ right it's a little clearing one of the

1:07:45 ↗ further ones up excuse me it's a little

1:07:50 ↗ clear on one of the other pictures there

1:07:54 ↗ it is yeah

1:08:07 ↗ so if the adjustment was denied then

1:08:09 ↗ only the third-floor tenants that are in

1:08:13 ↗ those spaces up there would be able to

1:08:15 ↗ have their signs up there but we could

1:08:18 ↗ on the second floor they could have

1:08:19 ↗ additional the second-floor tenants give

1:08:21 ↗ up signs on that floor and first floor

1:08:23 ↗ tenants could have signs on the first

1:08:25 ↗ floor okay wait if the request for

1:08:31 ↗ adjustment is denied there could be more

1:08:33 ↗ signs right yeah they could do Lake

1:08:37 ↗ Washington vascular EPA doctor could you

1:08:53 ↗ restate that comment that you just made

1:08:54 ↗ about could there be more signs and I

1:08:57 ↗ would say yes there could be but we have

1:09:00 ↗ regulated our building to look like it

1:09:05 ↗ does professionally and asking that that

1:09:08 ↗ u-dub sign be placed where we're

1:09:13 ↗ proposing to places even though that's

1:09:15 ↗ not where they're currently located we

1:09:20 ↗ is the owner i as the owner are

1:09:22 ↗ regulated within our leases and our

1:09:24 ↗ proposals to everyone that's when that's

1:09:26 ↗ in the building when they can and can't

1:09:29 ↗ use that signage on top and that's the

1:09:32 ↗ only place that we propose to do that

1:09:34 ↗ except for standing monument signs I I

1:09:39 ↗ get I understand the larger overall city

1:09:42 ↗ question regarding the next guy the next

1:09:46 ↗ girl the next building were we were

1:09:50 ↗ looking at this as as we did the day we

1:09:53 ↗ started to lease the building the day we

1:09:55 ↗ designed it and put it up there and

1:09:59 ↗ that's all we're asking to do today you

1:10:04 ↗ know the the inner workings of how that

1:10:07 ↗ works within the city will certainly

1:10:09 ↗ leave that to the staff and if if I was

1:10:15 ↗ to start a new building across the

1:10:18 ↗ street well

1:10:19 ↗ up the street here I certainly

1:10:22 ↗ understand that there's standards today

1:10:25 ↗ that I would be handed that I would have

1:10:27 ↗ to develop under but I'm just trying to

1:10:29 ↗ stay in the same standards that I looked

1:10:32 ↗ at the same vision that we had when we

1:10:35 ↗ first offered this building up for

1:10:37 ↗ medical services we've actually turned

1:10:40 ↗ down a number of more retail type

1:10:44 ↗ businesses to get where we're at today

1:10:49 ↗ fully medical and frankly you know we

1:10:53 ↗ have some really great clients here in

1:10:56 ↗ Issaquah you dub of course over lake and

1:10:59 ↗ now Seattle Cancer Care is long along

1:11:02 ↗ with other you know dentists and so on

1:11:05 ↗ and so forth so I just want to make sure

1:11:08 ↗ that you know we're not trying to change

1:11:12 ↗ the world air we're trying to remain

1:11:13 ↗ within a vision that we had and an

1:11:18 ↗ acceptance at the original point of

1:11:20 ↗ development and when we first leased a

1:11:22 ↗ building oh thank you yes you're right

1:11:27 ↗ we could end up with the first floor a

1:11:31 ↗ sign that's at dr. Okimoto UW Medicine

1:11:36 ↗ and the second floor having EPA like

1:11:39 ↗ Washington bascule or a third floor and

1:11:42 ↗ all those facades are could be signed

1:11:52 ↗ more comments well I think right now by

1:11:56 ↗ statute they are allowed those signs

1:11:58 ↗ they're just asking we don't want to

1:12:00 ↗ have those signs we'd rather just have

1:12:01 ↗ these two that's what the right

1:12:04 ↗ applicants asking and can I ask a

1:12:11 ↗ question if they want to deviate from

1:12:12 ↗ that then would it be a level zero

1:12:17 ↗ review or would it go back to a level

1:12:19 ↗ two and it would come back before us if

1:12:22 ↗ they wanted to deviate from this

1:12:24 ↗ proposal beyond what we accept this

1:12:27 ↗ proposal should we accept this purpose

1:12:29 ↗ um it would be by coded be

1:12:33 ↗ administrative but like I said or just

1:12:35 ↗ like we did this time we would have the

1:12:37 ↗ option of bumping it up to the

1:12:38 ↗ Commission for review which I would

1:12:40 ↗ think would be likely if this was

1:12:42 ↗ something you've already heard okay

1:12:44 ↗ so what one of the questions it there

1:12:48 ↗ would be no review and they'll just be

1:12:49 ↗ administrative if they want to put signs

1:12:51 ↗ above every one of those windows that it

1:12:53 ↗ correlates to their tenants basement

1:12:56 ↗ that's right the only reason we're

1:12:57 ↗ reviewing is they don't want to do that

1:12:59 ↗ they'd rather only have to clean signs

1:13:00 ↗ on either side it's because they what

1:13:02 ↗ signs on tenant spaces other than those

1:13:06 ↗ tenants at it I think we end up with a

1:13:11 ↗ better-looking building

1:13:16 ↗ so more comments somebody have a notion

1:13:20 ↗ of a proposal or a motion that they feel

1:13:25 ↗ compelled to make that was really good

1:13:28 ↗ at that he's the master he already

1:13:31 ↗ hasn't written out mr. chair yeah yes

1:13:40 ↗ sir I move that we approve the

1:13:47 ↗ administrative adjustment of standards

1:13:49 ↗ for the Highmark Medical Center signage

1:13:53 ↗ filed number AAS one 7-0 0:09 based on

1:14:04 ↗ the if I pause for a second Susan

1:14:09 ↗ Christopher can being based do you want

1:14:11 ↗ the discussion about what it's based on

1:14:13 ↗ as part of that too or I think it would

1:14:17 ↗ be appropriate yes yeah

1:14:20 ↗ [Music]

1:14:22 ↗ based on the extraordinary conditions

1:14:26 ↗ regarding the building in terms of

1:14:29 ↗ tendency and setback from SR 900 and

1:14:34 ↗ visibility of signs and other locations

1:14:39 ↗ and as well as a condition that no other

1:14:44 ↗ signs would be allowed on the east side

1:14:46 ↗ of the building other than the two

1:14:49 ↗ locations proposed can we go one step

1:14:56 ↗ further and to say all locations or all

1:15:00 ↗ sides of the building versus Issa

1:15:05 ↗ we probably need a second first yeah

1:15:08 ↗ sure did it's 90 second okay the motion

1:15:13 ↗ has been seconded now comment for a

1:15:15 ↗ discussion

1:15:16 ↗ so the I guess my thought would be I'm

1:15:20 ↗ not sure if something else goes in

1:15:22 ↗ behind this building at some point I

1:15:24 ↗ don't know that I would want to limit

1:15:25 ↗ signage on the west side okay

1:15:30 ↗ they think we're only I guess we're only

1:15:33 ↗ approving the eastern facade I don't

1:15:37 ↗ know if we need to make that clear in

1:15:38 ↗ the approval bit I don't think you need

1:15:42 ↗ to know and see yeah no it's it's a

1:15:44 ↗ given okay that's fair I agree

1:15:53 ↗ commissioner Harrison you have something

1:15:55 ↗ to say no additional discussion but

1:16:05 ↗ we're ready one more I don't think we

1:16:07 ↗ ever really addressed negative press net

1:16:09 ↗ do we feel like we're sending a negative

1:16:11 ↗ president oh just ask that question

1:16:16 ↗ well I commissioner I it seems to me

1:16:20 ↗ that whether it's negative I mean the

1:16:23 ↗ very nature of what we're doing here is

1:16:25 ↗ setting a precedent I would just say

1:16:29 ↗ what I was going to say earlier and

1:16:31 ↗ decided not to but I'm going to go ahead

1:16:33 ↗ and say it anyways I hope that the

1:16:38 ↗ condition I think it is commissioner

1:16:40 ↗ Morgan but I to me the the unique

1:16:47 ↗ situation is that by specifying the two

1:16:53 ↗ locations that we're doing I'm not sure

1:16:56 ↗ that we said made it clear for people

1:17:02 ↗ looking at this in the future that the

1:17:04 ↗ alternative to denying the application

1:17:08 ↗ is the possibility of the facade being

1:17:11 ↗ covered with signs I'm not sure that's

1:17:14 ↗ would be clear

1:17:17 ↗ somebody four years from now looking

1:17:19 ↗ looking at this decision and I think

1:17:22 ↗ that that should be articulated and in

1:17:25 ↗ the condition or in the in the approval

1:17:28 ↗ process because if I vote for this it's

1:17:33 ↗ going to be because the alternative is a

1:17:36 ↗ facade covered with signs so this is the

1:17:39 ↗ development Commission's

1:17:40 ↗ ability to stop that from happening and

1:17:45 ↗ I think that needs to be so part of it

1:17:49 ↗ so if we were to modify the motion or

1:17:53 ↗ make an amendment to the motion to

1:17:54 ↗ include a sentence that in effect said

1:17:56 ↗ in lieu of the proliferation of signs

1:17:59 ↗ that maybe the potential proliferation

1:18:02 ↗ of signs this is avoiding that something

1:18:05 ↗ something

1:18:05 ↗ and saying something fancier than that

1:18:07 ↗ but well maybe I can propose an

1:18:12 ↗ amendment down so Susan I guess at the

1:18:15 ↗ end of the condition it said do you have

1:18:27 ↗ a star the extraordinary conditions

1:18:29 ↗ regarding the building in terms of

1:18:31 ↗ tenancy and setback from SR 900

1:18:33 ↗ visibility of signs from other locations

1:18:35 ↗ as well a condition as a condition that

1:18:38 ↗ no other signs would be allowed on the

1:18:40 ↗ east side of the building other than the

1:18:41 ↗ two locations proposed and so right

1:18:44 ↗ after that I guess a comma which would

1:18:52 ↗ or to prevent a polar pleura for let me

1:18:59 ↗ offer I would say instead of a comma

1:19:00 ↗ maybe a period and the the Development

1:19:04 ↗ Commission wishes to make clear for

1:19:06 ↗ purposes of future reference that the

1:19:09 ↗ uniqueness of this proposal is that

1:19:14 ↗ denial of the application of the request

1:19:17 ↗ for net an adjustment of standards could

1:19:20 ↗ result in a proliferation of signs on

1:19:23 ↗ the same facade which the Commission

1:19:26 ↗ finds to be unacceptable or worse that

1:19:31 ↗ effect or might I add that in the SIDS I

1:19:34 ↗ think we have wording that addresses

1:19:36 ↗ this recognize the role signs have in

1:19:37 ↗ creating a visually interesting and

1:19:39 ↗ attractive place dot while avoiding

1:19:41 ↗ visual distraction clutter and chaos and

1:19:44 ↗ that's really what we're doing here

1:19:45 ↗ probably in a positive frame yeah I

1:19:49 ↗ guess the back to your comment Randy in

1:19:52 ↗ terms of the saying the Commission the

1:19:54 ↗ multiple signs that we don't and want to

1:19:59 ↗ be careful because if it's something

1:20:01 ↗ that can be done by code and if we come

1:20:04 ↗ out and say we don't want to allow what

1:20:07 ↗ can be done by code yeah that could be a

1:20:10 ↗ problem I think the I'd want to put it

1:20:12 ↗ in terms of

1:20:15 ↗ a more positive light that it will

1:20:17 ↗ result in a more attractive building

1:20:19 ↗ that meets the vision of with a specific

1:20:23 ↗ limitation on the number of signs yeah

1:20:26 ↗ yeah the limitations specific limitation

1:20:29 ↗ on the number of signs as opposed to

1:20:30 ↗ just we don't do this as I understand it

1:20:33 ↗ again each client could request a sign

1:20:37 ↗ on yeah if it's not of the bill well I

1:20:38 ↗ think it says its limitation on the

1:20:40 ↗ number and the location yes yes yes or

1:20:43 ↗ another way to look at it would be that

1:20:45 ↗ one of the other things that's unique

1:20:47 ↗ about this application is that the

1:20:50 ↗ applicants are agreeing to the fact that

1:20:52 ↗ these are going to be the only two signs

1:20:54 ↗ on that elevation yes yeah I just want

1:21:00 ↗ to amend the specificity to include that

1:21:03 ↗ this is a shared use building with a

1:21:06 ↗ single lobby versus like a strip mall

1:21:08 ↗ may be considered a single building

1:21:10 ↗ because there's one long building and

1:21:12 ↗ someone may ask to put a sign in front

1:21:13 ↗ of it phone somebody else's frontage

1:21:15 ↗ where this is a completely different

1:21:17 ↗ concept of a building type right that

1:21:19 ↗ this decision is based on the fact that

1:21:22 ↗ is a shared office building rather than

1:21:24 ↗ a strip mall

1:21:29 ↗ yeah to say that this is part of where

1:21:31 ↗ the reason we're doing this is because

1:21:32 ↗ it's a multistory office building not a

1:21:37 ↗ single single story retail it's not a

1:21:41 ↗ multi-tenant multi-story office building

1:21:48 ↗ so it would be valuable to hear what the

1:21:54 ↗ report the proposal is with the

1:21:57 ↗ amendment okay so we have which what

1:22:06 ↗ Susan read to us before Susan I'm sorry

1:22:10 ↗ I can't hear it a lot on the east side

1:22:18 ↗ of the building other than the two

1:22:19 ↗ locations no other signs would be

1:22:22 ↗ allowed on the east side of the building

1:22:23 ↗ other than the two locations proposed

1:22:27 ↗ and then to put it your comment in a

1:22:30 ↗ more positive light would result in a

1:22:33 ↗ more attractive the building that still

1:22:35 ↗ meets the vision with a specific

1:22:37 ↗ limitation on the number and location of

1:22:39 ↗ signs allowed and then you said about it

1:22:47 ↗ being a shared use building with a

1:22:49 ↗ shared Lobby a multi-tenant building so

1:22:53 ↗ those three things yeah so maybe what we

1:22:55 ↗ could do for Roberts maybe in the in the

1:22:59 ↗ discussion of the uniqueness of it you

1:23:02 ↗ mentioned our ordinary circumstance mm

1:23:06 ↗ bur someone else mentioned there was a

1:23:07 ↗ pre SIDS building so is the pre the

1:23:09 ↗ current so I though things are all the

1:23:13 ↗ in and these are the require you know

1:23:14 ↗ that the hurdles that had to be believed

1:23:17 ↗ in order to get to this point where we

1:23:18 ↗ say yes it's fine for the science is

1:23:19 ↗ that has to be the priests is the

1:23:21 ↗ setback the visibility from the street

1:23:23 ↗ as well as a shared use multi-story

1:23:25 ↗ office bill that list of extraordinary

1:23:28 ↗ conditions

1:23:30 ↗ it's a multi-tenant multi-story office

1:23:33 ↗ building

1:23:35 ↗ that were yes so that fits in there and

1:23:39 ↗ then the add-on to the condition about

1:23:42 ↗ or a separate sentence you'd prefer

1:23:44 ↗ Randy yeah yeah I think just

1:23:47 ↗ grammatically it gets a little long to

1:23:49 ↗ have so yeah the separate sentence

1:24:02 ↗ and thinking about worrying so a unique

1:24:04 ↗ situation to avoid the plural

1:24:07 ↗ proliferation of potential some

1:24:09 ↗ additional signs on multiple floors but

1:24:14 ↗ it's also to limit the scope of this

1:24:17 ↗ decision to this type of building that's

1:24:20 ↗ the whole purpose of this is we want to

1:24:21 ↗ limit the scope for this type of

1:24:23 ↗ building and what the the reasoning as

1:24:26 ↗ to why we we think it's fine for the

1:24:27 ↗ science of video yeah so well I think

1:24:29 ↗ now we're just thinking about that

1:24:30 ↗ additional sentence and how to word that

1:24:32 ↗ in terms of the player liberation of

1:24:36 ↗ sign

1:24:41 ↗ well the Development Commission believes

1:24:47 ↗ that the limitation of two signs at the

1:24:51 ↗ upper portion of the building will

1:24:53 ↗ result in a more attractive building in

1:24:56 ↗ line with the central is a flawed

1:24:58 ↗ visions sorry the upper portion of the

1:25:01 ↗ building will result in a more

1:25:02 ↗ attractive attractive building that is

1:25:08 ↗ in line with the central Issaquah

1:25:09 ↗ visions in comparison to the potential

1:25:15 ↗ flirtation of multiple signs on multiple

1:25:18 ↗ floors of the building that work at this

1:25:23 ↗ point it may sound like we're trying to

1:25:25 ↗ indemnify ourselves because the bottom

1:25:27 ↗ line is this will come up again

1:25:29 ↗ no I yeah mr. chair the the I'm going

1:25:34 ↗ back to the original guidance that we

1:25:36 ↗ got from staff and and the request from

1:25:40 ↗ him to is specific and as articulate as

1:25:44 ↗ we can be about why we have taken the

1:25:47 ↗ decision that we've done tonight I just

1:25:49 ↗ think we owe that to the whoever is on a

1:25:52 ↗ mission and in Christopher's position

1:25:55 ↗ five six eight years from now well we're

1:25:58 ↗ all gonna be right we have

1:26:02 ↗ that's right I agree cuz I think if they

1:26:07 ↗ come in and said here are six different

1:26:08 ↗ signs of the building and we want to

1:26:10 ↗ move just and the sign from here to

1:26:12 ↗ there

1:26:13 ↗ and we'd be less inclined in any

1:26:19 ↗ additional discussion are you ready for

1:26:23 ↗ a vote although are we ready for a vote

1:26:25 ↗ all those in favor approving the

1:26:28 ↗ administrative adjustment as the motion

1:26:32 ↗ indicated with the condition say aye aye

1:26:35 ↗ opposed looks like it's a deal

1:26:44 ↗ five-minute break only 45 minutes

1:26:48 ↗ assignment

1:27:00 ↗ you

1:32:51 ↗ that's a radius and you can you can do

1:32:53 ↗ this as well this is a different yeah

1:32:57 ↗ this is a kind of different format I'll

1:33:01 ↗ explain it in just a minute same

1:33:06 ↗ questions yeah okay so we're just gonna

1:33:16 ↗ change gears now after the formal part

1:33:19 ↗ of our meeting and what I'm presenting

1:33:21 ↗ to you now or what we're going to talk

1:33:24 ↗ about is the city has entered into a

1:33:26 ↗ strategic plan process and what we are

1:33:31 ↗ doing right now is we're trying to

1:33:32 ↗ gather as much public input as we can

1:33:34 ↗ from as many different places as we can

1:33:37 ↗ okay of doing a surge over the next

1:33:39 ↗ month month and a half or so and we're

1:33:43 ↗ visiting and getting an input from you

1:33:47 ↗ know easy targets like you guys who are

1:33:49 ↗ existing boards and commissions because

1:33:53 ↗ we know you're already very vested and

1:33:55 ↗ engaged in the community last week for

1:34:00 ↗ example I also met with like the Friends

1:34:01 ↗ of Lake Sammamish State Park where we're

1:34:05 ↗ also in addition to meeting with boards

1:34:07 ↗ and commissions were setting up what we

1:34:09 ↗ call a pop-up stands like at the library

1:34:13 ↗ and at the at the Pickering barn during

1:34:16 ↗ that open markets that and you know just

1:34:22 ↗ a central park during ball games and

1:34:24 ↗ we're just trying to be out there and

1:34:25 ↗ and just collect as much input and

1:34:28 ↗ direction for the strategic plan as we

1:34:30 ↗ can and so normally when I facilitate

1:34:34 ↗ these things I don't necessarily like

1:34:36 ↗ reading a script but for this I want to

1:34:38 ↗ make sure you guys get it now we're

1:34:40 ↗ televised but you're not you're not

1:34:45 ↗ representing the development

1:34:46 ↗ mission here so your answers are not

1:34:49 ↗ shouldn't be based on your Commission

1:34:52 ↗ perspective but instead on your

1:34:55 ↗ perspective as residents or people that

1:34:59 ↗ just live work and play here in the city

1:35:01 ↗ and so keep that in mind like I said you

1:35:04 ↗ take off your Commission hat and just be

1:35:07 ↗ an interested citizen so as I said today

1:35:12 ↗ we'll be participating in the city of

1:35:14 ↗ Issaquah strategic planning process this

1:35:17 ↗ is a structured exercise and it's an

1:35:20 ↗ opportunity for us to give input into

1:35:22 ↗ the vision and priorities we believe the

1:35:24 ↗ city should focus its resources on

1:35:27 ↗ achieving we will begin by describing

1:35:30 ↗ the strategic plan process afterwards we

1:35:33 ↗ will move into the questions there's

1:35:36 ↗ five questions which will give us an

1:35:39 ↗ opportunity to provide our input on this

1:35:41 ↗ akua's vision for the future and

1:35:43 ↗ priorities and I've routed to you

1:35:48 ↗ there's a sign-in sheet looks like I've

1:35:49 ↗ got that and also there's also a form

1:35:55 ↗ for you to fill out with regard to just

1:36:02 ↗ kind of your background okay so you've

1:36:05 ↗ got those okay and this is this exercise

1:36:09 ↗ is supposed to take about an hour or

1:36:11 ↗ about a half an hour but I've never seen

1:36:14 ↗ you guys only take a half an hour of

1:36:16 ↗ anything so we'll see okay so what is

1:36:20 ↗ this project about the city basic why

1:36:23 ↗ has launched work on a citywide

1:36:25 ↗ strategic plan to affirm a shared vision

1:36:28 ↗ for our community this planning process

1:36:30 ↗ will engage many people who live work

1:36:32 ↗ and play in this aquire to unite around

1:36:35 ↗ a common set of goals and priorities

1:36:37 ↗ your participation will help the city

1:36:39 ↗ align its resources with the activities

1:36:42 ↗ that have the most value for the public

1:36:44 ↗ what is a strategic plan a strategic

1:36:48 ↗ plan is a document used to help guide

1:36:50 ↗ the city's priorities goals and actions

1:36:54 ↗ it creates a road map used by the mayor

1:36:56 ↗ city council and staff to achieve

1:36:59 ↗ community-wide goals why are we a part

1:37:03 ↗ of this the city of Issaquah I would

1:37:05 ↗ like to engage with a broad

1:37:06 ↗ cross-section of people who as I said

1:37:08 ↗ live work and play in our community

1:37:11 ↗ understanding the vision and priorities

1:37:13 ↗ of community members will help us guide

1:37:16 ↗ the strategic plan and thus its goals

1:37:18 ↗ and actions in the near term as I

1:37:21 ↗ mentioned the city is taking steps to

1:37:23 ↗ encourage community members to provide

1:37:24 ↗ input including this what we call

1:37:27 ↗ meeting in a box that were tech kind of

1:37:29 ↗ taking as a roadshow to different

1:37:30 ↗ meetings community pop-up booths as I

1:37:33 ↗ mentioned and then just being at various

1:37:35 ↗ events and focus groups in the city and

1:37:38 ↗ as I mentioned there's the online survey

1:37:40 ↗ that you can take as well and those

1:37:42 ↗ people at home anybody watching I would

1:37:44 ↗ encourage you to take the online survey

1:37:49 ↗ okay so the second page of what I handed

1:37:52 ↗ out to you is this chart here that is

1:37:55 ↗ the strategic plan process and basically

1:37:59 ↗ this this graphic represents the process

1:38:02 ↗ aquire is currently undertaking to

1:38:04 ↗ develop the strategic plan and there are

1:38:07 ↗ three phases we are currently in phase

1:38:10 ↗ one in other words working in that box

1:38:12 ↗ over on the left-hand side and this

1:38:16 ↗ first phase includes a variety of

1:38:17 ↗ opportunities for community input as I

1:38:20 ↗ mentioned and the city will be obtaining

1:38:23 ↗ a clear understanding of the vision

1:38:24 ↗ mission and values of the community and

1:38:27 ↗ residents and then during phase 2 that

1:38:31 ↗ where we want to go phase the city staff

1:38:33 ↗ will stay staff workgroups will use

1:38:36 ↗ input from phase 1 to develop goals and

1:38:39 ↗ objectives and those goals will continue

1:38:42 ↗ to check in with the community as this

1:38:44 ↗ continues and then during phase 3 the

1:38:46 ↗ how we will get there implementation

1:38:49 ↗ workgroups will create action plans and

1:38:51 ↗ performance measures to evaluate the

1:38:53 ↗ progress on those actions at the

1:38:56 ↗ conclusion of this phase the

1:38:57 ↗ community-based strategic plan

1:38:59 ↗ we'll be reviewed and then ultimately

1:39:00 ↗ adopted by the City Council so as you

1:39:05 ↗ can see there are a lot of components

1:39:06 ↗ here and if you're interested in

1:39:09 ↗ learning more there's also there's the

1:39:12 ↗ page on the city's website and I can

1:39:14 ↗ answer any questions you may have as

1:39:16 ↗ well and if I can't answer them I can

1:39:18 ↗ point you to somebody who can so as I

1:39:22 ↗ mentioned there are five questions and

1:39:24 ↗ I'm gonna kind of walk you through those

1:39:26 ↗ and you've got a copy of what each of

1:39:28 ↗ those are and and like I said we'll

1:39:30 ↗ probably try to take five or so minutes

1:39:33 ↗ with each one so keep that in mind I do

1:39:35 ↗ want to hear from all of you so please

1:39:39 ↗ speak up and I will be just kind of

1:39:42 ↗ taking notes up here that I will then

1:39:44 ↗ convey on to the team that's collecting

1:39:47 ↗ all of this input so just so you know so

1:39:51 ↗ the first question is what do you

1:39:55 ↗ personally value about Issaquah anybody

1:40:07 ↗ [Music]

1:40:13 ↗ jobs

1:40:24 ↗ okay

1:40:29 ↗ I mean for me as a father of young kids

1:40:32 ↗ I'd like that I have all the parks and

1:40:35 ↗ everything else here the activities

1:40:38 ↗ they're available to schools and 15

1:40:42 ↗ minutes of the ballpark they go watch a

1:40:44 ↗ Mariners game in 30 minutes ago to the

1:40:45 ↗ scheme I take my industry if you will

1:41:00 ↗ and then low-tech recreational walking

1:41:03 ↗ around in the woods you know there's

1:41:04 ↗ just a good mix of Exim amich access to

1:41:08 ↗ fishing active access to professional

1:41:11 ↗ baseball well so you said it's an

1:41:18 ↗ intersection an intersection of kind of

1:41:21 ↗ nature activities and an intersection

1:41:37 ↗ I value old devalue it with the year

1:41:44 ↗ without thee because old town is very

1:41:57 ↗ important to me and what I value because

1:42:00 ↗ it is legitimately old compared to other

1:42:04 ↗ communities it is real because it is a

1:42:07 ↗ pre car talent and we have managed to

1:42:12 ↗ keep the intersection pedestrian nature

1:42:16 ↗ with the library and the business is

1:42:19 ↗ there and I and so other towns around

1:42:21 ↗ this area are trying to create it you

1:42:23 ↗ know add water and we've got an actual

1:42:27 ↗ town so to me that that really is the

1:42:31 ↗ heart and the hatcheries there it's just

1:42:36 ↗ ok conclude the hatchery on Hoosier and

1:42:42 ↗ that's all within five minutes walk with

1:42:44 ↗ each other

1:42:49 ↗ okay everything else valued just quickly

1:42:53 ↗ ability for citizens to be involved be

1:43:04 ↗ involved and make a difference

1:43:17 ↗ they can often that close to that we get

1:43:20 ↗ the sense that people here are really

1:43:21 ↗ committed to preserving the natural

1:43:23 ↗ resources the whole natural setting so

1:43:25 ↗ it's starring the whole salmon habitat

1:43:29 ↗ and creeks

1:43:39 ↗ people committed to preservation to go

1:43:42 ↗ ahead something else preservation of our

1:43:46 ↗ great natural resource diversity is

1:43:51 ↗ better than resource problem

1:43:58 ↗ that's right resource is something we

1:44:01 ↗ use right okay before we move on to the

1:44:03 ↗ next question is there anything else we

1:44:05 ↗ want to mine is less of a physical

1:44:07 ↗ attribute that there seems to be a real

1:44:10 ↗ sense of community pride that seems to

1:44:13 ↗ span most of the citizens that I've

1:44:19 ↗ encountered it's really good

1:44:24 ↗ anything else okay back to what it was

1:44:39 ↗ mentioned I'm you know what the

1:44:42 ↗ characters his mother worked right yeah

1:44:44 ↗ I know I saw that clip that was really

1:44:46 ↗ funny I'm actually pronounced it pretty

1:44:49 ↗ well too which isn't always the case

1:44:50 ↗ when we're on national television okay

1:44:55 ↗ so the next question what aspirations do

1:44:59 ↗ you have for a saccade in the next 15 to

1:45:03 ↗ 20 years

1:45:04 ↗ so by aspirations you know we're not

1:45:07 ↗ asking what do you think this requires

1:45:10 ↗ going to look like in 15 or 20 years but

1:45:13 ↗ if you got off of your time machine in

1:45:15 ↗ 15 to 20 years what do you hope you

1:45:17 ↗ would see 15 to 20 years

1:45:23 ↗ personally value the same things when we

1:45:25 ↗ dis listed that means that they still

1:45:32 ↗ recognizable you even know the growth

1:45:36 ↗ will have taken place so basically see

1:45:41 ↗ that list yeah and hopefully they all

1:45:43 ↗ feel the same as I think my aspiration

1:45:49 ↗ is that the community at large feels

1:45:51 ↗ like they have a voice and what will

1:45:54 ↗ look like in their next 10 to 15 years

1:45:56 ↗ or the next 15 to 20 years the voice

1:45:58 ↗ will be heard and responded to so you

1:46:05 ↗ say the community will continue to have

1:46:06 ↗ a voice I would say the ability to

1:46:28 ↗ preserve and project our identity and

1:46:31 ↗ build upon our identity and project that

1:46:33 ↗ into the future identify preserve a lot

1:46:37 ↗ of a traditions

1:46:41 ↗ identify and preserve our identity okay

1:46:48 ↗ so I'm gonna follow up with that when

1:46:50 ↗ you say our identity is there particular

1:46:53 ↗ things that come to mind well like I say

1:46:56 ↗ see see the first list again I think the

1:47:00 ↗ idea is that it says it's those values

1:47:03 ↗ and and so how do we build on those

1:47:05 ↗ values so you know again I don't think

1:47:09 ↗ it's it's a physical thing so many

1:47:11 ↗ things in forming from the people to the

1:47:14 ↗ physical attributes so I think values I

1:47:18 ↗ would

1:47:19 ↗ on a physical note I'd like to see can I

1:47:22 ↗ have a expansion of our activities that

1:47:26 ↗ we have available the city like I didn't

1:47:28 ↗ I came to advocate for a fool with any

1:47:31 ↗ groups here I don't think the pool that

1:47:33 ↗ we have this very good and you know it'd

1:47:37 ↗ be nice instead building more ballparks

1:47:39 ↗ and soccer fields and everything else we

1:47:41 ↗ build one exceptional facility for the

1:47:44 ↗ kids as well the pool what was the

1:47:47 ↗ second one instead of building more you

1:47:50 ↗ know baseball and soccer to build a

1:47:52 ↗ exceptional aquatics facility

1:47:54 ↗ I guess I have another aspiration that

1:48:04 ↗ that centers around the architecture and

1:48:06 ↗ urban design manual and and to see that

1:48:09 ↗ that has route that really establishes a

1:48:11 ↗ signature for Issaquah that it that it

1:48:16 ↗ reflects what the citizenry wants but

1:48:20 ↗ develops a sense of place a better sense

1:48:23 ↗ of place the more consistent sense

1:48:24 ↗ implies taking off on that one

1:48:27 ↗ smart growth that preserves our

1:48:31 ↗ distinctive small-town character

1:48:43 ↗ I could I could I could could I give you

1:48:46 ↗ along so central Issaquah is a safe

1:48:53 ↗ clean and vibrant place for people to

1:48:58 ↗ live work play and learn

1:49:01 ↗ we had safe clean and vibrant and

1:49:06 ↗ vibrant place for people to live work

1:49:09 ↗ play and learn

1:49:21 ↗ okay so now I do want to kind of narrow

1:49:27 ↗ these down to just three to five because

1:49:31 ↗ the next questions we're gonna try to

1:49:33 ↗ focus on just kind of the key components

1:49:36 ↗ of this I think a couple of those are

1:49:38 ↗ actually we may we may have out of all

1:49:42 ↗ those I think we may have it certainly

1:49:45 ↗ five but we certainly I think we've got

1:49:47 ↗ three already

1:49:48 ↗ okay and you can summarize those what I

1:49:52 ↗ said what Kevin said you know I can't do

1:50:01 ↗ that I think it's already there I think

1:50:07 ↗ you've got a three okay you know I would

1:50:10 ↗ say that the design standard thing is is

1:50:18 ↗ significant in my opinion that's

1:50:20 ↗ significant enough to be a standalone

1:50:26 ↗ okay so well definitely will include the

1:50:29 ↗ architecture and design manual I think

1:50:32 ↗ kind of we're saying keep it green and

1:50:33 ↗ keep it clean and vibrant okay and also

1:50:46 ↗ well I'm really glad that Mel started

1:50:53 ↗ with the word safe I was gonna bring

1:50:57 ↗ that up but I we have on our street

1:51:01 ↗ thirty five houses and we've had nine

1:51:05 ↗ criminal episodes in the last couple of

1:51:09 ↗ years and it has changed the environment

1:51:12 ↗ on our street and that I mean people

1:51:19 ↗ don't talk about that

1:51:21 ↗ they talk about saving the trees and

1:51:23 ↗ keeping the forested hillsides

1:51:25 ↗ everything all of which are absolutely

1:51:26 ↗ critical but if people don't feel safe

1:51:29 ↗ to go out and walk their dogs after dark

1:51:31 ↗ we're dead okay so we've got the the

1:51:36 ↗ design manual we have basically Mel's

1:51:40 ↗ final statement here that encompasses

1:51:42 ↗ quite a bit so I think the third one is

1:51:44 ↗ more having to do with you know the

1:51:47 ↗ community engagement and involvement is

1:51:50 ↗ that you know maintaining the values and

1:51:52 ↗ the identity the fact that I mean we

1:52:05 ↗ mentioned I don't remember how I'm sorry

1:52:06 ↗ you mentioned this but that we will have

1:52:09 ↗ the citizens still have a voice was it

1:52:13 ↗ five five 15 to 20 years from now yeah

1:52:17 ↗ that that to me is absolutely almost

1:52:23 ↗ almost as important as safety as a

1:52:25 ↗ fundamental aspect but people can't if

1:52:27 ↗ if they're not cynical 15 to 20 years

1:52:30 ↗ from now about how they're governed that

1:52:33 ↗ will be a huge accomplishment

1:52:35 ↗ considering the growth it's going to

1:52:37 ↗ happen between now and then okay I think

1:52:40 ↗ I think that's good it like I said I can

1:52:41 ↗ I can summarize that I think pretty well

1:52:43 ↗ they're just kind of keep those in mind

1:52:45 ↗ as we move on to the next questions and

1:52:50 ↗ the next question is

1:52:52 ↗ why are these important why why are

1:52:57 ↗ these aspirations these things that you

1:52:59 ↗ focused on community involvement the

1:53:01 ↗ design manual keeping it a safe and

1:53:04 ↗ vibrant place why are those important to

1:53:07 ↗ you those are those are the building

1:53:09 ↗ blocks that are gonna carry us through

1:53:13 ↗ to the future

1:53:14 ↗ you know this Commissioner Harrison said

1:53:17 ↗ you know this place is gonna grow

1:53:19 ↗ tremendously and we have to hand this

1:53:22 ↗ community to a lot of new people they're

1:53:26 ↗ coming from a lot of different places

1:53:28 ↗ and so we need tools in building blocks

1:53:31 ↗ to do that and I think I would suggest

1:53:36 ↗ that people why is it important I think

1:53:39 ↗ it's important to people businesses and

1:53:41 ↗ residents come to Issaquah for the same

1:53:44 ↗ reason 15 20 years they're coming now

1:53:48 ↗ huge accomplishment think of it as

1:53:50 ↗ quality of life yeah yeah I mean these

1:53:54 ↗ are quality issues those are the reasons

1:53:57 ↗ that make us unique yeah yeah I'm not

1:54:00 ↗ quickly not don't get rare

1:54:12 ↗ so essentially as we continue to

1:54:14 ↗ accommodate more growth more residents

1:54:17 ↗ more businesses we want to ensure that

1:54:20 ↗ we're maintaining the quality of life

1:54:21 ↗ and also maintaining what is unique is

1:54:24 ↗ that one that the whole point of those

1:54:30 ↗ three aspirations the civic

1:54:34 ↗ participation I think is a big part of

1:54:35 ↗ it and I asked a question of my fellow

1:54:42 ↗ commissioners here since this was an

1:54:44 ↗ open discussion

1:54:45 ↗ I lived in a place that I'm aware of

1:55:02 ↗ that had the level of citizen

1:55:06 ↗ participation and demonstrable

1:55:12 ↗ results is visible you know I kind of

1:55:16 ↗ you know kind of thought about that for

1:55:17 ↗ I just I just want to know if that's

1:55:20 ↗ maybe it's partly a measure of magical

1:55:23 ↗ size - not too small not too enormous

1:55:25 ↗ not metro people feel like they're

1:55:28 ↗ engaged we can make it if lens is

1:55:29 ↗ Microsoft I'm the high tech yeah I I

1:55:35 ↗ agree I agree completely it's

1:55:38 ↗ approachable and it's the kind of place

1:55:42 ↗ you want you're compelled to contribute

1:55:45 ↗ to this really interesting and I've

1:55:50 ↗ lived in a much older top of this I

1:55:51 ↗ didn't San Juan Capistrano down in

1:55:53 ↗ Southern California and it's full town

1:55:55 ↗ was you know a couple buildings knocked

1:55:58 ↗ over in the Panda mission and that was

1:56:00 ↗ about it yes I would a number of small

1:56:04 ↗ towns myself and I think that the public

1:56:08 ↗ participation was more predicated on the

1:56:10 ↗ issues that were being dealt with in the

1:56:14 ↗ long term so all right I guess I I'm not

1:56:20 ↗ sure I sense that's it is that that we

1:56:27 ↗ lost some of our participation in some

1:56:29 ↗ of our meetings because people didn't

1:56:32 ↗ think they were

1:56:32 ↗ those changes I think that's change I

1:56:35 ↗ think I think it's changed but it's slow

1:56:37 ↗ that's it then that's hard role to hold

1:56:39 ↗ you have to get people to accept the

1:56:41 ↗ fact that they're having a direct impact

1:56:43 ↗ on and coming to these meetings that

1:56:45 ↗ sometimes aren't the most thrilling did

1:56:48 ↗ mister that to with comments and we

1:56:54 ↗ change and to your point Richard I would

1:56:58 ↗ say why is that important to you I mean

1:57:00 ↗ I I frequently point to the how the

1:57:06 ↗ central discipline plan came about I

1:57:08 ↗ mean when it came about it people

1:57:10 ↗ looking forward and that long ago to how

1:57:14 ↗ his supporter was going to handle the

1:57:16 ↗ growth that was coming how the city went

1:57:19 ↗ about doing that which if those of us

1:57:22 ↗ who didn't participate in it know how

1:57:26 ↗ brazen that think of us and now we just

1:57:31 ↗ had a moratorium on development to

1:57:35 ↗ address the concerns of the citizens and

1:57:38 ↗ it's it's you know that's the kind of

1:57:41 ↗ thing that that I point to and people

1:57:44 ↗ kind of go yeah no no that's right I

1:57:45 ↗ hadn't thought about that

1:57:46 ↗ but it's demonstrable I don't know I'm

1:57:52 ↗ not supposed to add stuff as facilitator

1:57:54 ↗ I will say hopefully we're taking this

1:57:56 ↗ community engagement and involvement to

1:57:58 ↗ a whole nother level now you know after

1:58:01 ↗ seeing that kind of waned a bit and like

1:58:04 ↗ I think this what we're doing this surge

1:58:06 ↗ of gathering as much community input as

1:58:09 ↗ we can over the next month and a half I

1:58:10 ↗ think is a good indication of things to

1:58:12 ↗ come as far as trying to amp up the

1:58:15 ↗ engagement and you know that's great

1:58:17 ↗ Christopher this thing on this when I

1:58:20 ↗ see what's going on in other large

1:58:22 ↗ communities adjacent to us in terms of

1:58:25 ↗ public participation seems to be shaking

1:58:30 ↗ fists and

1:58:31 ↗ and walking hallways and things like

1:58:34 ↗ that and I understand that that the fact

1:58:36 ↗ that we're dealing with essentially the

1:58:38 ↗ same issues of growth and things like

1:58:41 ↗ that and doing it in a respectful a

1:58:44 ↗ thank nature in this day and age to me

1:58:47 ↗ is very important and you need not

1:58:50 ↗ unique but Rick to all too rare ok so

1:59:00 ↗ just a couple things I've added based on

1:59:02 ↗ on that they said that this as you

1:59:05 ↗ mentioned this is one of the most

1:59:06 ↗ involved communities that you've ever

1:59:08 ↗ lived in we want to continue to make

1:59:12 ↗ sure that people are heard and then also

1:59:15 ↗ as I mentioned just now the respectful

1:59:17 ↗ participation I think is important to

1:59:19 ↗ capture as well I've got one more if you

1:59:22 ↗ don't mind enter the work part in it is

1:59:30 ↗ akua's important because I think we I

1:59:32 ↗ think that it's important because we

1:59:34 ↗ need to spend less time working to the

1:59:39 ↗ west and more time playing to the east

1:59:44 ↗ less work more play

1:59:46 ↗ let's work more play exactly but you

1:59:50 ↗ know if we don't have to get in cars and

1:59:52 ↗ buses and head to Bellevue in Seattle to

1:59:55 ↗ work and then work in Issaquah and then

1:59:59 ↗ more time

2:00:14 ↗ [Applause]

2:00:28 ↗ that's good okay so the next question

2:00:33 ↗ and I don't think you'll have any

2:00:35 ↗ trouble a through this what are the

2:00:37 ↗ challenges we face in reaching those

2:00:40 ↗ aspirations the challenges maintaining

2:00:45 ↗ credibility keeping up for that I mean

2:00:49 ↗ bottom line is I think that the only way

2:00:54 ↗ we're going to secure confidence with

2:00:58 ↗ the public is to be able to maintain the

2:01:01 ↗ reality that they have access and can

2:01:04 ↗ make changes and make help make

2:01:05 ↗ decisions

2:01:09 ↗ I would say growing responsibly and as a

2:01:13 ↗ city if we have lunch at growth I'm

2:01:16 ↗ gonna end up with less participation

2:01:18 ↗ less people to move here having access

2:01:22 ↗ to anything and I think that I mean

2:01:34 ↗ that's very succinctly I agree with it

2:01:37 ↗ but I think part of what are the

2:01:39 ↗ challenges is being able to say no and

2:01:42 ↗ and have it be legally sustainable and

2:01:47 ↗ you think that's the under growing

2:01:49 ↗ Jackson I think it's I think it's the

2:01:51 ↗ bombs I think it's just a almost a comma

2:01:53 ↗ two bombs point it's not separate it's

2:01:58 ↗ just a part of a part of a growing

2:01:59 ↗ responsibly to me is being able to say

2:02:02 ↗ I'm sorry that doesn't fit the code and

2:02:04 ↗ it's not relevant here and I'm you know

2:02:07 ↗ I'll come back if you want to but we're

2:02:09 ↗ not going to allow that and and I'm

2:02:13 ↗ having it being sustainable in court and

2:02:16 ↗ that kind of thing to me when that

2:02:19 ↗ happens reinforces the citizens belief

2:02:24 ↗ that the local government is working

2:02:27 ↗ they may not agree with all of the

2:02:30 ↗ decisions but that's the kind of thing

2:02:31 ↗ that people are afraid they're not going

2:02:33 ↗ to see in the future we're just here to

2:02:35 ↗ rubber-stamp challenge to our whole area

2:02:38 ↗ here is affordability for different

2:02:41 ↗ professions ages dangers of life

2:02:47 ↗ mobility when we're gonna get a light

2:02:49 ↗ rail here I'll be 91 and that's gonna

2:02:52 ↗ come through so here we gonna speed that

2:02:55 ↗ up just a little

2:03:04 ↗ and regional traffic I think there's a

2:03:13 ↗ an issue with some portion of the of the

2:03:17 ↗ community doesn't want to see any growth

2:03:19 ↗ at all

2:03:19 ↗ and so the there there's a conflict

2:03:25 ↗ between what's happening and what the

2:03:29 ↗ role of for instance the Development

2:03:31 ↗ Commission is is to try to facilitate

2:03:32 ↗ that growth in a responsible meaningful

2:03:35 ↗ way and other people that are saying we

2:03:37 ↗ have you know even be responsible all

2:03:39 ↗ you want we don't want it

2:03:39 ↗ we don't want it we don't want it here

2:03:41 ↗ the conflict between growth versus no

2:03:44 ↗ growth yeah yeah it's gonna be

2:03:47 ↗ affordability and growth

2:03:49 ↗ okay controller growth cuz if you

2:03:52 ↗ control growth you limit the supply this

2:03:54 ↗ is the demand face - the prices have to

2:03:57 ↗ be right there in the middle and it

2:04:00 ↗ seems to me it's almost so fundamental

2:04:02 ↗ it maybe shouldn't even be on here but

2:04:05 ↗ the challenges I think are going to be

2:04:07 ↗ keeping we've talked about affordability

2:04:09 ↗ but the challenge for the city is going

2:04:12 ↗ to be taking the available revenues and

2:04:18 ↗ matching them to two priorities and I

2:04:25 ↗ available revenues I'm talking about

2:04:27 ↗ everything from federal down to real

2:04:30 ↗ estate tax and levies and things like

2:04:34 ↗ that because if those continue in the

2:04:37 ↗ region the way they seem to be going

2:04:39 ↗ then fixed income and people that are

2:04:43 ↗ retired they're on you know they made

2:04:46 ↗ really good plans are gonna change their

2:04:49 ↗ opinion about living here so there are

2:04:53 ↗ two things there one is revenues the

2:04:55 ↗ challenges match

2:04:57 ↗ the revenues to the priorities but then

2:04:59 ↗ a whole nother one of just sources of

2:05:01 ↗ revenue how do you how do you spend most

2:05:07 ↗ efficiently what you're getting and

2:05:08 ↗ where does it come from

2:05:09 ↗ I think another challenge is a growing

2:05:17 ↗ distrust of people in authority I don't

2:05:22 ↗ know how to say that any other way for

2:05:23 ↗ instance we have a meeting and the

2:05:25 ↗ traffic engineer stands up and says

2:05:27 ↗ here's what the count is and somebody

2:05:29 ↗ somebody from the public will say well I

2:05:31 ↗ don't believe that I don't agree with

2:05:32 ↗ that or we'll look at a classification

2:05:34 ↗ of a stream somebody will say well I

2:05:36 ↗ don't believe that you know so there's a

2:05:37 ↗ willingness in the some portions of the

2:05:40 ↗ community to disregard what certified

2:05:43 ↗ experts are saying or recommending or I

2:05:49 ↗ think that's court TVs fault

2:05:52 ↗ everyone's got an expert they paid it

2:05:53 ↗ comes to do what they want to say

2:05:55 ↗ anybody will say anything yeah okay

2:05:58 ↗ anything else as far challenges before

2:06:00 ↗ we move on to the last question and and

2:06:03 ↗ I connect throw out something that would

2:06:05 ↗ be controversial misguided notion that

2:06:09 ↗ light rail will solve our transit

2:06:11 ↗ problem sure I think it actually came up

2:06:22 ↗ in one of the our meetings a couple of

2:06:25 ↗ years ago and I know I've talked as a

2:06:29 ↗ private citizen I've asked this of some

2:06:32 ↗ of our elected official one of our

2:06:33 ↗ elected officials but is there any

2:06:37 ↗ thought at this point about where a

2:06:40 ↗ terminal is going to be and I think it

2:06:43 ↗ even came up frankly with the consultant

2:06:45 ↗ who said it should be thought it was

2:06:47 ↗ Pickering yeah Mike Austin yeah is there

2:06:51 ↗ is there any I think the suggestions may

2:06:53 ↗ be happening at a really high level well

2:06:55 ↗ that is I remember that somebody said

2:06:58 ↗ bread bun for example has already said

2:06:59 ↗ we got it we bought the land

2:07:01 ↗ you know it's done this is where it's

2:07:03 ↗ gonna have we haven't gotten that far

2:07:04 ↗ now and it's al King

2:07:06 ↗ yeah the consultants I came in here to

2:07:08 ↗ give us the the design manual they came

2:07:10 ↗ up but they had two ideas of where it

2:07:12 ↗ could go in fact they said it was

2:07:13 ↗ supposed to have two hubs one was in the

2:07:15 ↗ highlands one was in the highlands one

2:07:17 ↗ was by Pickering and then one of them

2:07:19 ↗ also the transit this is also the bus

2:07:22 ↗ transit sidetrack yeah yeah okay so the

2:07:39 ↗ final question just don't railroad us

2:07:42 ↗ today what changes are needed to reach

2:07:47 ↗ those aspirations YRC making the

2:07:51 ↗ Development Commission I'm supposed to

2:07:58 ↗ write everything down yeah I think the

2:08:04 ↗ thing that we did was Crandall or anvil

2:08:06 ↗ I first came on board here was just

2:08:07 ↗ great we were bringing in experts big

2:08:12 ↗ change might be continue to be aware of

2:08:16 ↗ best practices lessons learned when this

2:08:20 ↗ has been faced before we're not the

2:08:21 ↗ first community facing growth right a

2:08:24 ↗ lot of the principles of smart growth or

2:08:26 ↗ been designed that came out of a

2:08:28 ↗ Crandall arambula thing I think was

2:08:29 ↗ really great I don't know how to spread

2:08:31 ↗ the word about that but I'd be great if

2:08:34 ↗ we could you know take a kind of

2:08:37 ↗ educational function maybe in the subway

2:08:40 ↗ and I same same subject but I would say

2:08:44 ↗ that the city asked to do a better job

2:08:47 ↗ of communicating with all of its

2:08:51 ↗ constituencies even to the point of

2:08:56 ↗ pushing the information out to them if

2:08:58 ↗ they I'm not just relying on them to go

2:09:00 ↗ to the website but

2:09:03 ↗ elected officials going out

2:09:05 ↗ participating more on local events

2:09:08 ↗ meetings whatever Communications is

2:09:13 ↗ going to be more critical as we face the

2:09:17 ↗ as the challenges grow Communications is

2:09:19 ↗ going to grow the need for effective

2:09:21 ↗ communications can go right with it and

2:09:24 ↗ if it's not there and we're gonna be in

2:09:27 ↗ trouble for a lot of different reasons

2:09:29 ↗ so I've been to a number of community

2:09:31 ↗ meetings and violence at that Blakely

2:09:33 ↗ hall that we have up there where the

2:09:34 ↗ city comes in with traffic engineers and

2:09:36 ↗ talks about the traffic I think even

2:09:38 ↗ with our design mains that there should

2:09:40 ↗ be like a presentation done on what that

2:09:42 ↗ means to a community like that in the

2:09:45 ↗ highlands down in the city and a couple

2:09:47 ↗ other places so yeah and don't just say

2:09:52 ↗ one thing on that that's I've mentioned

2:09:54 ↗ before not here but we will reach an

2:10:00 ↗ event I will have reached Nevada on this

2:10:02 ↗ subject when I can go on the city

2:10:04 ↗ website and click and within a couple

2:10:06 ↗ clicks find the city budget when I can

2:10:09 ↗ look in a couple of clicks and find the

2:10:13 ↗ crime record in my neighborhood right

2:10:18 ↗ now and I've asked people a lot more

2:10:21 ↗ illiterate than I am and it's not as

2:10:25 ↗ easy as it should be you said what was

2:10:31 ↗ the other thing that you mentioned

2:10:38 ↗ development projects projected where is

2:10:41 ↗ this going to go and we're still in this

2:10:43 ↗ thing with a 300 foot notification you

2:10:46 ↗ know that you get a notice if you're

2:10:49 ↗ within 300 foot of the development

2:10:51 ↗ that's prehistoric as far as I'm

2:10:53 ↗ concerned I mean we ought to be able to

2:10:55 ↗ push it and up to people so I wanted to

2:11:00 ↗ kind of capture make sure I'm getting it

2:11:02 ↗ so it has to do with pushing them for me

2:11:04 ↗ now let me make sure I'm getting this

2:11:07 ↗ right basically the city what you

2:11:09 ↗ appreciate and what something that

2:11:11 ↗ should change that the city should go to

2:11:13 ↗ the people rather than sitting up here

2:11:17 ↗ waiting trip them I think that I think

2:11:20 ↗ communications in and out has to be at

2:11:26 ↗ the same pace as the the challenge so is

2:11:30 ↗ if if traffic remains the challenge

2:11:33 ↗ citizens have to be able to access the

2:11:36 ↗ latest information definition whatever

2:11:39 ↗ and the city should not rely on people

2:11:42 ↗ just to do that there should be a

2:11:44 ↗ concomitant push effort so it's just

2:11:47 ↗ basically the communications needs to be

2:11:51 ↗ priority in crispr I agree with what you

2:11:55 ↗ read there that city going to the people

2:11:57 ↗ oh yeah yeah I think that's a good

2:12:04 ↗ example communication too and I don't

2:12:07 ↗ see the word well I guess you did right

2:12:09 ↗ education that's good

2:12:10 ↗ I think it's about educating why is what

2:12:14 ↗ the city is doing good and and and why

2:12:17 ↗ are we taking these measures you know so

2:12:20 ↗ I really just want to emphasize

2:12:20 ↗ education I think once you have

2:12:23 ↗ education it empowers people to share

2:12:27 ↗ the vision and build with momentum to a

2:12:33 ↗ common goal we're all going to have our

2:12:34 ↗ differences but if we have we have some

2:12:36 ↗ common ground which is our identity but

2:12:39 ↗ but how do we educate them on where

2:12:41 ↗ we're headed I'm getting a little

2:12:43 ↗ long-winded here you know I was on one

2:12:45 ↗ these next-door websites and somebody

2:12:47 ↗ was complaining about it it's a quad and

2:12:49 ↗ the growth and they said we should be

2:12:52 ↗ like red men what if we were like red

2:12:53 ↗ men have you been to Redmond lately have

2:12:55 ↗ you seen what they've done there and it

2:12:56 ↗ was all I could do to get on and saying

2:12:58 ↗ as a matter of fact

2:13:00 ↗ you know we're trying you know and so

2:13:04 ↗ that education is poor important I know

2:13:06 ↗ it's in its infancy and we're really not

2:13:07 ↗ gonna see the impacts of this for for a

2:13:09 ↗ while here but but I think educating

2:13:11 ↗ people on the ground floor

2:13:13 ↗ what's that amid ease in and

2:13:15 ↗ re-establish his confidence

2:13:25 ↗ I think that's a good

2:13:32 ↗ yeah there's kind of a cycle right the

2:13:34 ↗ more information the public has the more

2:13:36 ↗ comfortable they are they talked about

2:13:38 ↗ the agent involved yeah and we're not

2:13:40 ↗ just pulling out of the air there are

2:13:41 ↗ principles right that have been best

2:13:44 ↗ practices that have been used so if we

2:13:46 ↗ go out and explain to them why smaller

2:13:48 ↗ blocks why agree well we could talk

2:13:50 ↗ about that you know probably most feel

2:13:52 ↗ have no idea why you would want to chop

2:13:53 ↗ up central is it go on to a grid right

2:13:55 ↗ but there are principles behind it that

2:13:57 ↗ could be explained

2:13:59 ↗ all right before it closed up any less

2:14:02 ↗ okay I get well Morgan of course you do

2:14:04 ↗ of course I do

2:14:07 ↗ it Ben Sound Transit to change from

2:14:11 ↗ light rail to bus rapid transit for is

2:14:14 ↗ o'clock right there I think most I've

2:14:19 ↗ got a super say great I bet 90% of

2:14:21 ↗ people in this boat don't realize that

2:14:23 ↗ you won't be able to take a train from

2:14:24 ↗ Issaquah to Seattle you would take a

2:14:27 ↗ train to build a boat or switch to an

2:14:29 ↗ Orion train to go to sell I was

2:14:31 ↗ convinced Sound Transit to replace light

2:14:35 ↗ rail with with bus rapid transit I'd

2:14:39 ↗ rather that they go in right now and

2:14:41 ↗ start working on taking the center by 90

2:14:44 ↗ turn it into a bus rapid transit line

2:14:46 ↗ and just start running buses I think

2:14:52 ↗ that means up this gate 25 years a train

2:14:55 ↗ to Bellevue

2:15:01 ↗ no more puns okay so in conclusion the

2:15:07 ↗ city of Issaquah would like to thank you

2:15:09 ↗ all for participating and providing your

2:15:12 ↗ input and opinions and on behalf of the

2:15:14 ↗ city this choir would like to thank you

2:15:16 ↗ all for even more than that the

2:15:17 ↗ commitment you show here all the time

2:15:20 ↗ that we appreciate more than you know

2:15:22 ↗ your voices have been heard it will be

2:15:24 ↗ closely analyzed to create a vision for

2:15:27 ↗ Issaquah that represents the entire

2:15:29 ↗ community in order for the to help the

2:15:34 ↗ city understand the range of

2:15:35 ↗ participants in the meetings of box we

2:15:36 ↗ have the demographic survey that I hand

2:15:40 ↗ it out and then also the sign-in sheet

2:15:41 ↗ and then again I'll just remind you one

2:15:43 ↗ more time about the survey that you can

2:15:45 ↗ take online as well and that concludes

2:15:48 ↗ our strategic plan thank you meeting

2:15:58 ↗ adjourned meeting is adjourned all right

2:16:01 ↗ thank you

2:16:12 ↗ you

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