City Council Special Meeting · Monday, April 20, 2026 · City Council Digest

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0:03 ↗ Aha, the magic red light has appeared.

0:06 ↗ Welcome everyone. I'm going to call the

0:07 ↗ April 20th city council meeting to order

0:09 ↗ tonight. Everyone is here. There is no

0:11 ↗ excused absences. And tonight's agenda

0:13 ↗ is a little different than normal due to

0:14 ↗ the appointment of the vacancy occurring

0:15 ↗ later in this meeting after new

0:17 ↗ business. Is there any objection to the

0:18 ↗ agenda as presented?

0:21 ↗ And hearing none, the next item on the

0:25 ↗ agenda is the pledge of allegiance. I

0:26 ↗ welcome you to join me in the pledge of

0:28 ↗ allegiance.

0:33 ↗ I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

0:35 ↗ United States of America and to the

0:38 ↗ republic for which it stands, one nation

0:41 ↗ under God, indivisible, with liberty and

0:44 ↗ justice for all.

0:49 ↗ >> The next item of business is

0:51 ↗ administrative professionals day and we

0:54 ↗ would like to invite the following

0:56 ↗ members of Isqua staff. I think we have

0:58 ↗ Sheree, Michelle, Alicia, Bill, and

1:02 ↗ Lindsay here to the podium.

1:19 ↗ Lindsay's final words to me this morning

1:21 ↗ is, I'm not going to be the one talking,

1:22 ↗ but I just heard that she's going to be

1:24 ↗ the one talking. So whereas

1:26 ↗ administrative professionals day is

1:27 ↗ observed annually in workplaces around

1:29 ↗ the world to recognize the important

1:30 ↗ contributions of administrative support

1:32 ↗ staff and whereas administrative

1:34 ↗ professionals play an essential role in

1:35 ↗ coordinating the office and governmental

1:37 ↗ operations of the city of Isiqua and

1:39 ↗ whereas administrative professionals are

1:41 ↗ vital contributors in today's team

1:43 ↗ oriented work environment are key

1:44 ↗ frontline public relation ambassadors

1:46 ↗ for their organizations and whereas the

1:48 ↗ work of administrative professionals

1:49 ↗ today requires advanced knowledge and

1:51 ↗ expertise in communications computer

1:53 ↗ software office technology

1:54 ↗ project management, organization,

1:56 ↗ customer service, and other vital office

1:57 ↗ management responsibilities. Most

1:59 ↗ importantly, have the willingness to

2:01 ↗ learn and accept new challenges. Now,

2:03 ↗ therefore, I'm Mark Mullet, mayor of the

2:04 ↗ city of Isqua to recognize Wednesday,

2:06 ↗ April 22nd, 2026 as administrative

2:09 ↗ professionals day in the city of

2:10 ↗ Isiziqua, and I invite the community to

2:12 ↗ join me in thanking the city's

2:13 ↗ administrative professionals for their

2:15 ↗ service and outstanding contributions.

2:24 ↗ My own mom was the office manager of my

2:25 ↗ local elementary school for 25 years.

2:27 ↗ So, this has always been a a fun day in

2:29 ↗ our house where treats were brought

2:30 ↗ home. But, okay, Lindsay, I know you're

2:33 ↗ so excited to speak. Here you go.

2:37 ↗ >> Uh, thank you, mayor, and thank you for

2:40 ↗ acknowledging administrative

2:41 ↗ professionals and for highlighting the

2:43 ↗ important role that we play in

2:44 ↗ supporting day-to-day operations and

2:46 ↗ keeping the city running efficiently. We

2:49 ↗ appreciate this recognition of the work

2:51 ↗ we do for the Isco community. Thanks.

2:53 ↗ >> Okay, photo shoot time. Photo shoot.

3:03 ↗ >> One second. One second. Okay, here we

3:05 ↗ go.

3:14 ↗ >> Council member to solve bills,

3:16 ↗ right?

3:19 ↗ >> I'm 0 for 28 at this point, but

3:38 ↗ The next item of business is audience

3:40 ↗ comments. Those you sign up advance,

3:42 ↗ you'll be called on first. If you're

3:43 ↗ joining virtually, you can raise your

3:44 ↗ virtual hand. Those on the phone can

3:46 ↗ press star three. If you're not in the

3:48 ↗ if you're in the room but did not sign

3:49 ↗ up, there will be an opportunity to

3:50 ↗ raise your hand at the end. And the

3:54 ↗ rough time estimate here is 3 to 5

3:56 ↗ minutes. We do say there's nothing wrong

3:58 ↗ with brevity during audience comments.

4:00 ↗ Brevity gets bonus points, not negative

4:02 ↗ energy. And please realize it's not a

4:05 ↗ dialogue back and forth. We just want to

4:07 ↗ hear from members of the community about

4:10 ↗ concerns. And Madame Clerk, is there

4:12 ↗ anybody signed up to speak during

4:13 ↗ audience comments? And there is. Madam

4:15 ↗ clerk, go ahead.

4:22 ↗ All right. Uh, the first one is Nicholas

4:24 ↗ Herang.

4:33 ↗ Hi there. Um, so I am a lifetime

4:36 ↗ Isakiqua resident and because of this I

4:39 ↗ am deeply opposed to Isakiqua

4:40 ↗ implementing flock cameras uh in the

4:43 ↗ city limits or any sort of automatic

4:45 ↗ license plate readers. Uh flock cameras

4:47 ↗ pose a risk to the security and privacy

4:49 ↗ of residents and the risk is not evenly

4:52 ↗ distributed. Um people of color,

4:54 ↗ low-income individuals, LGBTQ plus

4:57 ↗ community members, people seeking

4:58 ↗ reproductive care and especially

5:01 ↗ immigrants carry that higher risk. There

5:03 ↗ are many documented cases of ICE using

5:05 ↗ flot cameras to track and target people

5:07 ↗ and I want Isiqua to remain safe to

5:09 ↗ everyone who wants to live and visit the

5:11 ↗ city. Thank you.

5:14 ↗ >> All right. Thank you very much. And

5:18 ↗ we'll try to well we usually try to hold

5:21 ↗ applause the uh and just yeah please

5:24 ↗ state your name and your relationship or

5:26 ↗ or to the city and that could just be

5:27 ↗ your address or a business and madam

5:29 ↗ clerk. Next, Lesie Crer.

5:39 ↗ Good evening. My name is Lesie Crer and

5:41 ↗ I live at 22537

5:44 ↗ Southeast 42nd Terrace. Thank you for

5:47 ↗ the opportunity to make a public comment

5:50 ↗ um on the Flock surveillance cameras. My

5:53 ↗ understanding is that under flock

5:56 ↗ contracts, ICE can possibly get backdoor

5:58 ↗ access to surveillance data without

6:01 ↗ explicit permission. Also, with the AI

6:04 ↗ type system flocks using details such as

6:07 ↗ car color or other specifics can be

6:10 ↗ logged. My concern is with privacy, data

6:13 ↗ security, and data sharing. Senator Ron

6:17 ↗ Weiden of Oregon recently noted that 75%

6:20 ↗ of Flock's law enforcement customers are

6:23 ↗ part of a national lookup program and

6:26 ↗ this tool allows them to share

6:28 ↗ information with any customer also

6:30 ↗ enrolled in the lookup program. This

6:32 ↗ doesn't feel like um data security to

6:36 ↗ me. I would like to request that Mayor

6:38 ↗ Mullet and the city council get the uh

6:41 ↗ get the issue of flock cameras into a

6:43 ↗ public agenda with a clear timeline for

6:46 ↗ a decision. This would allow for

6:49 ↗ transparency in full view of an informed

6:53 ↗ public and allow our most vulnerable

6:56 ↗ neighbors to be aware and prepared.

6:58 ↗ Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

7:01 ↗ >> Thank you very much. Uh,

7:05 ↗ Madam Clerk,

7:06 ↗ >> Alistair Brewer.

7:21 ↗ Here we go. Alistister Brewer, Isqua

7:24 ↗ resident since 1997.

7:27 ↗ Um,

7:29 ↗ uh, excuse me. Uh my wife and I have

7:32 ↗ been Isquid residents since 1997. We

7:35 ↗ have raised our now adult kids here and

7:37 ↗ are very concerned about public safety

7:38 ↗ and protecting the rights of residents.

7:42 ↗ I'm here because considering technology

7:44 ↗ that carries risks far beyond what most

7:46 ↗ residents realize. Uh flock automated

7:49 ↗ license plate readers. Supporters will

7:51 ↗ say that the cameras are harmless

7:52 ↗ because the city can opt out of sharing

7:54 ↗ data with federal agencies. Uh but

7:57 ↗ reporting shows that does not stop

7:59 ↗ federal access. According to an NPR

8:01 ↗ investigation, uh, federal agencies,

8:03 ↗ including ICE, routinely obtained flock

8:06 ↗ data through subpoenas and bench

8:07 ↗ warrants, even when local jurisdictions

8:10 ↗ explicitly refused to share. The uh,

8:13 ↗ articles describe multiple cases where

8:15 ↗ ICE accessed ALPR data from cities that

8:19 ↗ believe they had walled themselves off.

8:22 ↗ Once the data exists, federal agencies

8:24 ↗ can and do get it. Uh these systems

8:28 ↗ create a continuous form of automated

8:30 ↗ surveillance that courts have repeatedly

8:32 ↗ said raises Fourth Amendment issues. Uh

8:35 ↗ Carpenter versus United States and other

8:37 ↗ cases have ruled that long-term

8:39 ↗ aggregated tracking of a person's

8:42 ↗ movements constitutes a search requiring

8:44 ↗ fullthour amendment protections.

8:47 ↗ These networks that track vehicles

8:49 ↗ across cities, counties, and states

8:51 ↗ create exactly the kind of persistent

8:53 ↗ surveillance those rulings warned about.

8:56 ↗ when the government can reconstruct a

8:58 ↗ person's movements over days, weeks, or

9:00 ↗ months, that crosses a constitutional

9:02 ↗ line. Uh yet, despite that, the current

9:05 ↗ federal administration has increasingly

9:08 ↗ relied on administrative warrants, not

9:10 ↗ judicial bench warrants to obtain data.

9:14 ↗ Administrative warrants are not reviewed

9:16 ↗ by a judge, and they do not meet the

9:17 ↗ Fourth Amendment standard.

9:20 ↗ Uh when national leaders use rhetoric

9:22 ↗ labeling political opponents as

9:24 ↗ terrorists,

9:26 ↗ it raises the stakes of any surveillance

9:28 ↗ system because once a group is labeled a

9:30 ↗ threat, surveillance tools tend to be

9:32 ↗ turned on them. History shows this again

9:34 ↗ and again. Flock's own technology, their

9:38 ↗ own website boasts that the system can

9:40 ↗ identify vehicle make, model, color,

9:43 ↗ unique decals, and even bumper stickers.

9:46 ↗ So that means that political expression

9:48 ↗ on your car becomes data in a searchable

9:51 ↗ law enforcement database. In a moment

9:53 ↗ where political speech is being

9:55 ↗ demonized, that should give every Isqua

9:57 ↗ resident pause. Isqua does not need to

10:00 ↗ join this network and we do not need to

10:02 ↗ expose our residents to federal

10:03 ↗ surveillance that they never consented

10:05 ↗ to. I urge the council to reject flock

10:08 ↗ cameras and choose a path that protects

10:10 ↗ both public safety and civil liberties.

10:12 ↗ Thank you.

10:14 ↗ >> Thank you.

10:17 ↗ And if you do agree, you can just raise

10:20 ↗ your hand at the end as well because

10:21 ↗ like I said, our our tradition here is

10:23 ↗ we try to avoid having clapping after

10:25 ↗ audience remarks. Uh

10:28 ↗ Madame Clerk,

10:29 ↗ >> Karen Ellis,

10:37 ↗ >> you turned it off.

10:38 ↗ >> Cool.

10:39 ↗ >> Now you're back on.

10:40 ↗ >> Thanks. Um, dear city council members

10:42 ↗ and mayor Mola and our my and my

10:44 ↗ neighbors, my name is Karen Ellis and I

10:46 ↗ have been a resident of Isiqua for 10

10:49 ↗ years at 630 Southeast Kramer Place.

10:51 ↗ I've also been a small business owner in

10:54 ↗ Isiziqua. I'm a therapist and trust is

10:57 ↗ really important to me and is the

10:59 ↗ cornerstone of my practice. And without

11:00 ↗ trust, I wouldn't be able to work. And I

11:03 ↗ want to trust my local government that

11:05 ↗ they have my best interest in mind and

11:07 ↗ the best interest of my neighbors. I

11:09 ↗ want to trust that everyone is welcome

11:11 ↗ and that my city prioritizes the trust

11:14 ↗ and the neighbors and the people who

11:16 ↗ live there. I cannot trust a government

11:18 ↗ that primary support goes to

11:20 ↗ corporations such as Target, REI, and

11:22 ↗ large businesses that can afford their

11:24 ↗ own security for merchandise loss. After

11:27 ↗ the grant from Flock that I know is been

11:30 ↗ offered, who's going to pay for the

11:32 ↗ extra costs? Because I don't want to and

11:34 ↗ I don't want my neighbors to have to pay

11:36 ↗ for it either. Um, as individuals have

11:38 ↗ mentioned uh before me, there's a cost

11:41 ↗ to surveillance. My personal data pays a

11:44 ↗ price and my neighbors personal data

11:46 ↗ pays a price and anyone that drives

11:49 ↗ through is aqua will pay that price too.

11:51 ↗ And I know there are numerous other

11:53 ↗ towns and cities in the area who have

11:55 ↗ flock and people don't shop there. I

11:58 ↗ don't shop there. Redmond has been

12:00 ↗ suspended or is suspending and

12:02 ↗ reconsidering their flock. Um, and I

12:05 ↗ want to trust the city council members

12:06 ↗ have considered the potential loss of

12:08 ↗ business as well as the aspects of

12:12 ↗ personal data being used against us. Um,

12:18 ↗ um, so just think very hard about whose

12:21 ↗ trust you actually need, the community's

12:22 ↗ trust or large corporations that only

12:24 ↗ care about their bottom line. As a

12:27 ↗ therapist and small business owner, I

12:28 ↗ hope trust means as much to you all as

12:30 ↗ it does to me. Thank you for your time.

12:34 ↗ Thank you very much. Oh, this is good.

12:36 ↗ We're making progress. I like it. Uh,

12:39 ↗ Madam Clerk,

12:40 ↗ >> Ren Liss.

12:50 ↗ >> Hi, I'm Ren Liss. Uh, I'm a resident at

12:53 ↗ 218 Northeast Dogwood Street. I'm also a

12:56 ↗ property owner and a business owner

12:57 ↗ within Isiqua. Um, I also oppose block

13:01 ↗ cameras for many of the reasons

13:02 ↗ presented so far. As the daughter of an

13:07 ↗ immigrant, I very much oppose any

13:10 ↗ surveillance that puts our neighbors at

13:12 ↗ risk. Um, as a woman who has been a

13:16 ↗ survivor of domestic violence. I

13:18 ↗ definitely oppose flock and the capacity

13:21 ↗ for anyone who knows me and knows my

13:24 ↗ car, they can get my license plate. I

13:26 ↗ can't keep that secret. It is personally

13:29 ↗ identifiable information that can be

13:31 ↗ used outside of flock to track my my

13:35 ↗ whereabouts, where I work, where I live,

13:37 ↗ um

13:39 ↗ anywhere I go. Um I find that deeply

13:42 ↗ concerning not just for myself but for

13:44 ↗ others.

13:45 ↗ Um on top of that, flock itself has not

13:48 ↗ been following its own parameters of not

13:52 ↗ accessing cameras. um that was

13:54 ↗ demonstrated in them showing cameras

13:57 ↗ that included minors uh without the

14:00 ↗ consent of the business owners to a

14:02 ↗ potential client. Those minors were also

14:04 ↗ young women, young girls who were in

14:07 ↗ gymnastics attire and potentially

14:10 ↗ swimsuits. Like that is a a wild lapse

14:13 ↗ of judgment to begin with and in

14:16 ↗ opposition to their own policies stated

14:18 ↗ in the facts on the web. Um, I think

14:22 ↗ that is enough.

14:24 ↗ Um, my concerns run deeper. I would urge

14:27 ↗ you to, um, vote quickly and swiftly to

14:31 ↗ not implement flock. Thank you.

14:34 ↗ >> Thank you very much.

14:35 ↗ >> Great success. Madam clerk,

14:38 ↗ >> Julie Carr.

14:45 ↗ >> Good evening. My name is Julie Carr. I

14:47 ↗ live here in Isiqua. I live in the

14:50 ↗ Sycamore neighborhood and I just wanted

14:52 ↗ to add my comment as well tonight just

14:56 ↗ um urging a public um discussion of the

15:00 ↗ flock camera proposals as soon as

15:02 ↗ possible. I don't feel that it benefits

15:05 ↗ us to delay that conversation.

15:09 ↗ Um these are proposed and it seems to be

15:12 ↗ waiting in the wings. I personally um am

15:15 ↗ interested in us understanding whether

15:17 ↗ this is truly a wise choice for Isiqua.

15:20 ↗ I doubt that and I think the only way we

15:23 ↗ can really have a good conversation

15:25 ↗ about it is if we put it on an agenda

15:27 ↗ and move forward as soon as possible. Um

15:31 ↗ I am concerned about the public um

15:33 ↗ publicly stated business development

15:35 ↗ plans, ambitions and uh behaviors of the

15:40 ↗ flock corporation. Uh I know there are

15:42 ↗ other corporations that also have

15:44 ↗ similar cameras. I also have concerns

15:46 ↗ there as well.

15:48 ↗ Uh it seems like it's uh something that

15:51 ↗ many people are concerned about and I

15:53 ↗ just urge um efforts right away. Thank

15:56 ↗ you.

15:58 ↗ >> Thank you very much, Madam Clerk.

16:01 ↗ >> Chandra Ryder.

16:06 ↗ >> And we see you in the back raise your

16:07 ↗ hand. We'll get to you once the people

16:09 ↗ who signed up. We will make sure

16:11 ↗ Oh, okay.

16:18 ↗ >> Good evening. My name is Shandra. I am a

16:20 ↗ current Isqua resident. My spouse and I

16:22 ↗ live in the Talis neighborhood. I work

16:24 ↗ for a large global Fortune 100 company

16:27 ↗ based here in Isiqua. And 10 years ago,

16:29 ↗ I married the love of my life up the

16:31 ↗ street at Tivotsz Creek Manor. I live in

16:33 ↗ Isiqua. I work in Isiqua. I do most of

16:36 ↗ my shopping in Isqua. And I received

16:37 ↗ most of my healthcare in Isiqua. I am

16:40 ↗ proud to call Isqua home. So, it

16:42 ↗ concerned me recently to learn that last

16:44 ↗ year the Isqua Police Department and

16:46 ↗ City of Isiqua applied for and received

16:48 ↗ a DOJ grant to, among other things,

16:50 ↗ install 12 plot cameras across the city.

16:54 ↗ The proposed location of these cameras

16:55 ↗ would capture vehicle data on every car

16:57 ↗ entering, driving through, and leaving

16:59 ↗ Isqua daily. I am a former security

17:02 ↗ professional with more than 10 years of

17:04 ↗ experience in asset protection,

17:06 ↗ corporate security, and alarm

17:07 ↗ monitoring.

17:09 ↗ Two years ago, I helped my current

17:11 ↗ employer move their in-house self-hosted

17:13 ↗ alarm monitoring system to a cloud-based

17:15 ↗ service similar to Block. Cloud-based

17:17 ↗ alarm systems and video monitoring

17:19 ↗ services have revolutionized the once

17:21 ↗ niche industry that was out of reach for

17:23 ↗ most businesses and homeowners.

17:26 ↗ Self-hosted and monitoring solutions are

17:28 ↗ more secure than cloud-based ones. They

17:30 ↗ are installed, operated, and maintained

17:32 ↗ on-site. They require trained personnel

17:34 ↗ to operate and maintain. Historically,

17:36 ↗ they have been cost prohibitive and hard

17:38 ↗ to implement. So, large entities were

17:40 ↗ the only ones that had the resources and

17:42 ↗ personnel to do it. Cloud-based systems,

17:45 ↗ on the other hand, like Flock, operate

17:46 ↗ on a different model. Data is stored

17:49 ↗ off-site in data centers across the US.

17:51 ↗ Flock handles the installation,

17:53 ↗ maintenance, and IT work. Taking the

17:55 ↗ burden of installation and maintenance

17:56 ↗ off the entity. Their main selling point

17:59 ↗ for their LPR system is no IT, no

18:02 ↗ wiring, no hassle. What you give up for

18:05 ↗ the convenience and hassle is privacy

18:07 ↗ and control.

18:09 ↗ Block and services like it are the

18:11 ↗ Facebook of the alarm monitoring and

18:12 ↗ security industry. They are cheaper to

18:15 ↗ set up, operate and maintain because

18:17 ↗ they are designed to connect and share

18:18 ↗ data amongst agencies. That data is

18:21 ↗ where they make their real money selling

18:23 ↗ it to other agencies. Because of this,

18:26 ↗ because of this, the system is by design

18:28 ↗ set up to share your data with everyone

18:29 ↗ else. Sure, just like Facebook, you can

18:32 ↗ choose to share less and you have

18:34 ↗ control over your data. But as other

18:36 ↗ Washington agencies have learned,

18:37 ↗ turning off those sharing settings

18:39 ↗ doesn't keep other agencies from

18:40 ↗ accessing it. And this is my primary

18:43 ↗ concern with Flock and local law

18:44 ↗ enforcement using these systems.

18:46 ↗ Washington has some of the tightest

18:48 ↗ privacy laws in the country. Yet last

18:50 ↗ year, a police officer in Texas use

18:52 ↗ flock cameras to track and arrest and

18:54 ↗ charge a woman seeking legal healthcare

18:56 ↗ in our state. The University of

18:58 ↗ Washington Center for Human Rights has

19:00 ↗ documented abuse by federal agents

19:02 ↗ during immigration investigations

19:04 ↗ illegally accessing Washington systems

19:06 ↗ to track and locate immigrants in our

19:08 ↗ state. Despite our state's best in the

19:10 ↗ country privacy laws, folks with ill

19:13 ↗ intent are still able to access data

19:14 ↗ they shouldn't, and Washingtonians pay

19:16 ↗ the price. Surveillance is not safety.

19:20 ↗ Having worked with law enforcement for

19:21 ↗ many years, I appreciate the job they

19:24 ↗ are tasked to do and I am sympathetic to

19:26 ↗ the challenges. I understand why Flock

19:28 ↗ is an enticing solution to make their

19:30 ↗ tough jobs seem a little bit easier. But

19:32 ↗ let's find a way to accomplish that

19:34 ↗ mission without putting Isqua residents,

19:36 ↗ workers, and shoppers at risk of

19:37 ↗ invasive surveillance and federal

19:39 ↗ overreach.

19:41 ↗ Seattle, Redmond, Reton, Lynwood, and

19:43 ↗ even the Pierce County Sheriff's Office

19:45 ↗ have either turned off or stopped

19:47 ↗ implementation of these cameras for

19:48 ↗ security concerns. So, I urge the mayor

19:51 ↗ and the city council to reject this

19:53 ↗ flock camera proposal and work with the

19:55 ↗ community to find equitable solutions

19:57 ↗ for the community problems these cameras

19:58 ↗ hope to address without compromising the

20:01 ↗ safety and privacy of its residents.

20:03 ↗ Thank you.

20:04 ↗ >> Thank you very much, Madam Clerk.

20:08 ↗ Victor Bellow.

20:14 ↗ >> Um, mayor, council members, um, thanks

20:18 ↗ for giving me the opportunity to speak

20:19 ↗ tonight. Um, I'm standing before you

20:22 ↗ tonight as a resident um of eight years

20:25 ↗ deeply invested in this in the city's

20:27 ↗ civic life through multiple task forces

20:30 ↗ and commissions, most recently the

20:32 ↗ sister cities commission, but also as a

20:34 ↗ Venezuelan who lived through the

20:36 ↗ agonizing descent of my home country

20:38 ↗ into a police state. I know firsthand

20:40 ↗ what it looks like when a government

20:42 ↗ builds the technological infrastructure

20:43 ↗ to track its citizens, monitor daily

20:45 ↗ movements, and systematically remove

20:47 ↗ dissident. It always begins quietly,

20:49 ↗ heavily subsidized and is always sold

20:52 ↗ under the guise of public safety. Uh, as

20:55 ↗ you deliberate in the eventual

20:56 ↗ implementation of the flock system, um,

20:59 ↗ we know it is being framed as a modern

21:01 ↗ solution to property crime, but this

21:03 ↗ technology is a Trojan horse. The Flock

21:05 ↗ Falcon camera uses um, AI that tracks

21:10 ↗ vehicle that does vehicle

21:11 ↗ fingerprinting, meaning it does not

21:14 ↗ simply do uh, read the license plates.

21:17 ↗ It also logs highly specific visual

21:19 ↗ profiles such as bumper stickers, roof

21:20 ↗ racks, custom wheels, creating a

21:23 ↗ searchable pattern of life database that

21:26 ↗ creates a drag net that continuously

21:27 ↗ logs the movements of every resident,

21:29 ↗ commuter, and visitor regardless of

21:31 ↗ whether they are suspected of a crime.

21:34 ↗ We must also recognize that the 50,000

21:37 ↗ federal grant is a marketing tactic

21:39 ↗ meant to draw the city into a sunken

21:41 ↗ into a sunk cost trap. While the grant

21:43 ↗ may cover the initial hardware,

21:45 ↗ taxpayers will be permanently

21:47 ↗ responsible for the ongoing software

21:48 ↗ licensing and data storage fees which

21:51 ↗ could exceed easily $100,000 a year. Um,

21:55 ↗ but my deepest concern is the in is the

21:58 ↗ existential threat that disposes to our

22:00 ↗ vulnerable neighbors and my own loved

22:02 ↗ ones. I have family here who are

22:03 ↗ refugees. They are hardworking people

22:05 ↗ who live in Isiqua, contribute to our

22:07 ↗ community and pay taxes. I have nephews

22:09 ↗ who are actively building their futures

22:11 ↗ here at 10 college in Belleview,

22:13 ↗ Isaakqua High School, Isaacqua Middle

22:15 ↗ School, growing up right alongside my 13

22:17 ↗ and 16 year old sons. Implementing this

22:20 ↗ surve this surveillance network could

22:21 ↗ effectively turn these young men and my

22:23 ↗ entire family into targets of a

22:25 ↗ nationalized police state. Because data

22:28 ↗ captured by the scammers to centralized

22:30 ↗ cloud service, it is entirely removed

22:32 ↗ from the exclusive control of the Isiqua

22:34 ↗ Police Department. The current

22:36 ↗ architecture of the federal government

22:38 ↗ um provides absolutely no guarantees

22:41 ↗ that this information will not be

22:42 ↗ weaponized against the residents of

22:44 ↗ Isiqua. Research has already proven that

22:46 ↗ federal immigration agencies employ back

22:48 ↗ doors and side doors access to the

22:50 ↗ surveillance networks. In fact, border

22:52 ↗ patrol has searched data at to at least

22:55 ↗ 10 different Washington police

22:57 ↗ departments despite the absence of any

22:58 ↗ explicit sharing agreements. State laws

23:00 ↗ such as the Senate Bill 6002 are

23:04 ↗ secondary to federal subpoenas. A

23:06 ↗ federal court can override this and

23:08 ↗ flock needs to turn over all the data

23:10 ↗ and protection of my family and anyone

23:12 ↗ else is out the window. We already know

23:14 ↗ the terror this causes last October.

23:17 ↗ Diana Romero was followed and detained

23:19 ↗ by federal agents in a norm vehicle

23:21 ↗ right outside a local preschool. Our

23:23 ↗ community's trust was shattered. I see

23:25 ↗ that item ID 1993 um is on the agenda

23:29 ↗ tonight. Uh you clearly recognize the

23:31 ↗ fear that is currently uh pervades our

23:33 ↗ city to eventually approve a mass

23:36 ↗ surveillance program in the same breath

23:38 ↗ would be a profound betrayal of the

23:40 ↗ residents who call Isiqua home.

23:42 ↗ Neighboring cities like Lynwood and

23:44 ↗ Redmond have already suspended or

23:45 ↗ terminated their flock programs already

23:47 ↗ realizing the true risk and experiencing

23:49 ↗ a total collapse of public trust. As

23:52 ↗ we've seen just this month, even the

23:54 ↗ Isocua Highlands Council and other local

23:55 ↗ advocacy groups have withdrawn their

23:57 ↗ support uh for the grant after

23:59 ↗ acknowledging the severe risk associated

24:01 ↗ with privacy and oversight. I ask you to

24:03 ↗ listen to this warnings of history and

24:04 ↗ clear precedent set by our neighboring

24:07 ↗ cities. I urge you to formally reject

24:09 ↗ this federal grant when it comes before

24:11 ↗ you and terminate any plans to install

24:13 ↗ flock safety cameras. Please reallocate

24:15 ↗ these resources towards community based

24:17 ↗ policy and human resources that do not

24:19 ↗ demand the um sacrifice of our civil

24:22 ↗ liberties. Once you build the

24:24 ↗ infrastructure of a surveillance, it is

24:26 ↗ nearly impossible to dismantle. Thank

24:28 ↗ you very much.

24:30 ↗ >> Thank you very much.

24:32 ↗ And madam clerk,

24:35 ↗ >> oh it looks like we have Karen Ellis

24:37 ↗ again, but we've heard from Karen. So

24:39 ↗ next we have Chris Adair.

24:51 ↗ Good evening. I didn't intend to talk

24:53 ↗ and I really don't have anything to add

24:56 ↗ to what all of these people have said.

24:58 ↗ They they've really presented

25:01 ↗ some facts that I hope you're listening

25:04 ↗ to.

25:06 ↗ I come just with a question.

25:09 ↗ Well, let me go back. I live at 1276

25:12 ↗ Front Street South. I have lived here

25:14 ↗ since 1986.

25:17 ↗ And my husband in the back row there is

25:19 ↗ Michael Adair and he has lived here for

25:21 ↗ 74 years.

25:25 ↗ When I came,

25:27 ↗ the people of Isiqua were complaining

25:29 ↗ because they were getting their second

25:32 ↗ stoplight

25:34 ↗ and they hadn't figured out why they

25:35 ↗ needed the first stoplight yet. So, it's

25:38 ↗ been a bit. And now here we are hoping

25:42 ↗ that we don't get surveillance that we

25:44 ↗ really don't need. We really don't want.

25:47 ↗ And all I'm saying is I hope and I want

25:51 ↗ to trust that the people and thei the

25:55 ↗ citizens of Isiqua would be given the

25:58 ↗ opportunity

26:00 ↗ to understand what the flock is

26:03 ↗ and to be given the opportunity to vote

26:06 ↗ on it.

26:08 ↗ Okay.

26:10 ↗ Thank you very much. Hi, Russell. Been a

26:14 ↗ while.

26:18 ↗ >> See, they're all they're seconding the

26:19 ↗ high Russell support. So, that was good.

26:22 ↗ Uh, Madam Cler,

26:23 ↗ >> Margaret Escobar.

26:33 ↗ >> Um, really I it's hard to add to

26:36 ↗ everything that everyone has already

26:38 ↗ said. I agree with our previous

26:40 ↗ speakers. I just want to say that this

26:42 ↗ circumvents the fourth amendment of the

26:45 ↗ constitution using technology because

26:48 ↗ people can access police can access

26:51 ↗ information without a warrant and that

26:54 ↗ may seem like a good idea when you're

26:56 ↗ the police officer or but we I mean we

27:00 ↗ swore uh pledged allegiance to the flag

27:02 ↗ and we ask for liberty and justice for

27:04 ↗ all and part of that is defended by the

27:07 ↗ fourth amendment and if we give it up

27:10 ↗ just for ease, we're going to be sorry.

27:14 ↗ We're going to regret it. The the the

27:16 ↗ fact that we have a right to protect

27:18 ↗ ourselves from searches, from

27:20 ↗ surveillance, except when a judge deems

27:24 ↗ it necessary, is a precious thing, and

27:26 ↗ we shouldn't just give it up for

27:28 ↗ something that looks like an easy way

27:29 ↗ out.

27:31 ↗ Um, that's my first statement. My second

27:34 ↗ is um there isn't a person in this room

27:37 ↗ who might not someday have a loved one

27:40 ↗ if not themselves who's being stalked by

27:43 ↗ a creepy ex partner whatever it is very

27:48 ↗ common and making it easier for that

27:51 ↗ person to make their life miserable is

27:53 ↗ not something any of us will want and so

27:56 ↗ for a second reason we might regret this

28:00 ↗ tool in the future. So, I kind of wanted

28:02 ↗ to make those two points clear.

28:04 ↗ >> Can you state your name and relation?

28:06 ↗ >> I'm so sorry. I'm Margaret Escobar. I've

28:08 ↗ lived over 30 years in Isiqua. I live at

28:11 ↗ 490 Mount Defiance Circle um for most of

28:14 ↗ that.

28:14 ↗ >> Excellent. Thank you very much.

28:17 ↗ >> Madam Clerk,

28:19 ↗ >> will Keryotti?

28:28 ↗ Um, hi. I'm Will Keryotti. I live in the

28:32 ↗ Isiqua Highlands. Thank you council

28:34 ↗ members for the floor and for the

28:35 ↗ opportunity to provide comment.

28:38 ↗ I have lived around Isiqua my whole life

28:42 ↗ and began living in the Isqua Highlands

28:44 ↗ recently. Um, Isqua has recently been

28:48 ↗ approved for a federal grant of

28:49 ↗ $400,000.

28:51 ↗ Um, a portion of which will be put

28:52 ↗ towards the installation of flock

28:54 ↗ cameras. And I am terrified at the

28:56 ↗ prospect of those cameras being

28:57 ↗ installed here. In an ideal world, flaw

29:00 ↗ cameras would be a useful tool in

29:01 ↗ keeping our community safe. But in

29:03 ↗ reality, that's not how they'll

29:05 ↗ function. Isiqua has an already

29:08 ↗ remarkably low violent crime rate. Very

29:11 ↗ little of it at random or happening in

29:13 ↗ the streets. Very little of it

29:15 ↗ preventable or aided by sprawling

29:18 ↗ security systems.

29:20 ↗ Um, security systems like that might

29:24 ↗ make things easier to resolve, but they

29:26 ↗ aren't going to really prevent someone

29:28 ↗ from getting hurt. What is far more

29:31 ↗ scary to me is the prospect of someone

29:33 ↗ who I did not consent to my information

29:35 ↗ being shared with knowing where I am or

29:38 ↗ where I might go. I have at certain

29:40 ↗ points in my life had reason to believe

29:42 ↗ that someone was trying to intentionally

29:44 ↗ find out information about me to

29:46 ↗ intimidate and possibly hurt me. This

29:49 ↗ certainly wasn't something I had enough

29:50 ↗ evidence to go to police about or

29:52 ↗ acquire acquire legal protections for,

29:55 ↗ but was more than enough to cause a lot

29:57 ↗ of stress and paranoia in my life. The

29:59 ↗ situation has since been resolved, but I

30:02 ↗ can't help but imagine how terrifying it

30:04 ↗ would have been if there had been

30:06 ↗ additional information about my

30:07 ↗ whereabouts available for public access.

30:10 ↗ I can't imagine I am the only member of

30:12 ↗ our community who has been in a

30:13 ↗ situation where that kind of information

30:15 ↗ could cause them significant stress or

30:17 ↗ potentially endanger their life.

30:21 ↗ I urge the council to consider that the

30:23 ↗ potential harm done by this kind of

30:24 ↗ surveillance is a lot more concerning

30:26 ↗ than the perceived benefits it might

30:28 ↗ provide and choose a different safer

30:32 ↗ method of surveillance. Thank you so

30:34 ↗ much for your time.

30:36 ↗ >> Thank you madam clerk.

30:41 ↗ BJ Olum.

30:50 ↗ >> Hello. All right. Um, my name is BJ

30:53 ↗ Ellum. Um, I've been a resident of

30:55 ↗ Isiqua for around four years. I live in

30:56 ↗ the Bohemian, just a little bit that

30:58 ↗ way. Um, city council members, Mr.

31:01 ↗ Mayor, um, all the city staff, um,

31:04 ↗ helping to run this smoothly. Thank you

31:06 ↗ for your time and openness to hearing

31:07 ↗ from the public tonight. something I

31:09 ↗ really appreciate.

31:10 ↗ Um, I come to urge the city council to

31:12 ↗ formally schedule a vote on the proposal

31:14 ↗ to add flock ALPR cameras to Isiqua and

31:17 ↗ for that vote to be soon and for that

31:18 ↗ vote to be no.

31:21 ↗ This is for a number of reasons, not

31:22 ↗ least among them the safety concerns

31:24 ↗ these cameras pose to vulnerable people,

31:26 ↗ the way such groups are made more

31:28 ↗ vulnerable by their movements being

31:29 ↗ tracked, and the general unpleasantness

31:31 ↗ of surveillance in our community.

31:34 ↗ But there's another quite basic reason

31:36 ↗ which is questioning the degree to which

31:38 ↗ we should entrust our safety and the

31:39 ↗ data about our lives and our movements

31:41 ↗ to huge data harvesting tech companies

31:43 ↗ and Flock in particular.

31:46 ↗ Over the past year, this company has

31:48 ↗ given dramatic opportunity for seriously

31:50 ↗ questioning their trustworthiness on

31:52 ↗ these issues, especially from the points

31:54 ↗ of view of security and compliance. So,

31:55 ↗ I want to just overview a few incidents

31:57 ↗ that stood out to me. Um, in terms of

32:00 ↗ security, these come from 404 media. Um,

32:04 ↗ as of last year, the highest level of

32:06 ↗ access, so seeing everything the camera

32:09 ↗ saw and recorded, um, and even being

32:11 ↗ able to adjust those, um, images, um,

32:14 ↗ could be obtained on some Flock cameras

32:15 ↗ via straightforward process that began

32:18 ↗ with simply pressing a button on the

32:19 ↗ back of the camera a few times.

32:22 ↗ Also, as of last year, flocks

32:24 ↗ accidentally exposed data to the

32:25 ↗ internet that included things like

32:27 ↗ police officers contact information,

32:29 ↗ their expected patrol areas, and

32:32 ↗ appeared to also include um a way to

32:34 ↗ track active location of certain patrol

32:36 ↗ vehicles.

32:37 ↗ As recently as this year,

32:40 ↗ at least 60 flock cameras were

32:42 ↗ inadvertently streaming live footage

32:44 ↗ from security cameras to the open

32:45 ↗ internet. Now, different model of

32:48 ↗ camera, but same company. And these um

32:51 ↗ these cameras included feed or the feeds

32:53 ↗ that were being shown to the internet

32:55 ↗ were things like um parking lot footage

32:58 ↗ of people loading potentially expensive

33:00 ↗ purchases into their vehicles. Um

33:02 ↗ isolated trails, people walking alone,

33:05 ↗ and a playground with un with

33:07 ↗ unaccompanied children to the open

33:09 ↗ internet.

33:11 ↗ In terms of compliance, one of the tools

33:13 ↗ that talk that Flock seems to offer in

33:16 ↗ uh is these network auditing reports

33:18 ↗ that are supposed to tell you how your

33:20 ↗ network has been searched and who's been

33:22 ↗ searching it. And it has a reason field

33:24 ↗ that's supposed to say why the search

33:25 ↗ was made. Flock allows that that um

33:29 ↗ reason field to have extremely generic

33:31 ↗ words like investigation. It also allows

33:33 ↗ that field to be blank

33:36 ↗ so you don't necessarily know why your

33:38 ↗ system is being searched.

33:41 ↗ A report from the University of

33:42 ↗ Washington's Center for Human Rights

33:44 ↗ last year observed that despite Illinois

33:47 ↗ and Virginia having strong restrictions

33:49 ↗ on how ALPR data can be shared and

33:52 ↗ California banning the sharing of that

33:54 ↗ data out of state altogether, those laws

33:56 ↗ appear to have been in their words

33:58 ↗ regularly violated.

34:01 ↗ It's also worth noting that in response

34:04 ↗ or in the topic of uh claims that f that

34:07 ↗ flock makes about how their data can be

34:09 ↗ accessed um the report had this to say.

34:11 ↗ Unlike all its major competitors in the

34:13 ↗ ALPR market, Flock has refused to allow

34:15 ↗ independent security analysts to test

34:18 ↗ its devices to ensure that claims made

34:20 ↗ by the company are accurate.

34:22 ↗ Because of reasons like these, my

34:24 ↗ concerns are not put to rest by

34:25 ↗ Washington state's recent SP 60002

34:29 ↗ um legislation, despite it offering

34:31 ↗ important first steps in regulating

34:33 ↗ ALPRs and their usage. Um I think that

34:36 ↗ isqua's residents, visitors, and the

34:39 ↗ people who work here deserve better than

34:41 ↗ to be surveiled by an AI powered camera

34:43 ↗ system simply because they're coming and

34:45 ↗ going.

34:46 ↗ Um, I think we know enough about this

34:48 ↗ system and this company, these types of

34:51 ↗ technologies to make a decision soon.

34:54 ↗ Um, I think the right thing to do is to

34:55 ↗ say no to this proposal and the right

34:57 ↗ time is as soon as possible. Thank you.

35:00 ↗ >> Thank you very much.

35:03 ↗ Madam click

35:04 ↗ >> May Hollings Head.

35:08 ↗ >> Thank you to the mayor and the council

35:10 ↗ for hearing me. My name is May Hollings

35:12 ↗ Head and I a junior at Gibson High

35:14 ↗ School. I am also an intern with council

35:16 ↗ member Walsh. As a part of this, we have

35:18 ↗ been researching the issues that our

35:20 ↗ city faces. Recently, the city of

35:22 ↗ Isiziqua was offered a significant

35:24 ↗ amount of money from the federal

35:25 ↗ government to install automated license

35:27 ↗ plate readers, which have been

35:28 ↗ repeatedly proven to be both intrusive

35:30 ↗ and insecure. While some may say these

35:32 ↗ cameras keep us safer, the cost of

35:34 ↗ privacy is too high for these cameras to

35:36 ↗ be a good option for our city. I ask

35:39 ↗ that you all consider the voices of your

35:41 ↗ of the voices of your community when you

35:43 ↗ consider whether or whether or not to

35:45 ↗ accept this grant and install these

35:47 ↗ cameras as many of us that you have

35:49 ↗ heard today believe that ALPRs are not

35:51 ↗ the right path forward for. Thank you

35:53 ↗ all.

35:55 ↗ >> Thank you.

35:58 ↗ >> Madam clerk,

36:00 ↗ >> no one further has signed up to speak.

36:02 ↗ >> Okay. Is there anybody else in the room

36:04 ↗ who hasn't signed up but would like to

36:07 ↗ speak?

36:08 ↗ Okay. Not seeing any online. Madam

36:11 ↗ clerk, do we have any indication of

36:12 ↗ anyone?

36:13 ↗ >> We have a few members of the public with

36:15 ↗ us virtually,

36:17 ↗ but I'm not seeing anything.

36:19 ↗ >> Okay. Well, thank you very much for

36:21 ↗ everyone who did show up to comment. We

36:23 ↗ appreciate getting the feedback. I think

36:25 ↗ I did hear several people ask like what

36:28 ↗ is the expected timeline? And I think

36:29 ↗ the challenge we've had for the city of

36:30 ↗ Isiqua is our current chief of police is

36:32 ↗ retiring and we are in the process of we

36:35 ↗ will hire a new chief of police next

36:36 ↗ month. And so I think the the grant

36:40 ↗ that's in question which is for other

36:42 ↗ safety equipment as well which is tasers

36:44 ↗ and flock expires on September 30th. And

36:47 ↗ so the current council agenda I think

36:50 ↗ has August as the next touch point to go

36:53 ↗ to services safety and parks. And then I

36:56 ↗ think based on how that process goes

36:58 ↗ would determine whether it comes to the

37:00 ↗ full council or not. And I think what

37:02 ↗ the city clerk has done is anybody who

37:05 ↗ is interested in being updated, if you

37:07 ↗ know that is the current published

37:08 ↗ timeline, but I appreciate your guys's

37:10 ↗ concerns and if you want to be on a

37:12 ↗ list, you can leave your email and that

37:14 ↗ will automatically have you included if

37:16 ↗ for some reason that date were to move

37:18 ↗ forward or backward. I think the the

37:20 ↗ thought process from the city

37:21 ↗ administration's perspective is get the

37:23 ↗ new police chief hired next month and

37:25 ↗ then decide of how the timing looks from

37:29 ↗ there because it's hard to basically do

37:31 ↗ the process when you're in between

37:34 ↗ police chiefs. And with that, that will

37:37 ↗ close audience comments. And the next

37:40 ↗ item on the calendar is the consent

37:43 ↗ calendar. And I do not have any remarks

37:45 ↗ on the consent calendar. Are there any

37:47 ↗ committee chairs or chair design who

37:48 ↗ would like to report on the consent

37:49 ↗ calendar items?

37:52 ↗ Not seeing any. The consent calendar was

37:55 ↗ distributed to the council in advance.

37:56 ↗ If authorized, the items of the consent

37:57 ↗ calendar will be considered together and

37:59 ↗ approved by one motion. Have the

38:00 ↗ payables and payroll been reviewed?

38:03 ↗ >> They have.

38:04 ↗ >> That is an affirmative. Does any council

38:06 ↗ member want to remove any items from the

38:08 ↗ consent calendar and consider it under

38:09 ↗ regular business?

38:12 ↗ Not seeing any. Is there a motion?

38:15 ↗ >> Mr. Mr. Mayor, I move the I move the

38:17 ↗ consent calendar as published in the

38:18 ↗ agenda today.

38:20 ↗ >> Second.

38:21 ↗ >> Okay, there's been a motion and a

38:23 ↗ second. All those in favor, please say

38:24 ↗ I.

38:25 ↗ >> I.

38:26 ↗ >> All those opposed, no. And that passes

38:30 ↗ unanimously. The next item of business

38:33 ↗ is an exciting one. Regular business,

38:36 ↗ city hall purchase and sale agreement.

38:40 ↗ Autumn, this is like your life lifeline

38:43 ↗ lifetime dream to present to the council

38:46 ↗ to potentially take action on the

38:48 ↗ purchase of a new city hall. Autumn

38:50 ↗ Monahan.

38:55 ↗ >> Thank you for that introduction, mayor.

38:56 ↗ Um, hello council members. My name is

38:58 ↗ Autumn Monahan. I'm the administrative

39:00 ↗ services director. I'm here with several

39:02 ↗ friends tonight, including uh Jeannie

39:05 ↗ Justice, our administrative services

39:06 ↗ manager, who's been um just critical in

39:09 ↗ supporting me throughout this effort, as

39:11 ↗ well as several other staff who are here

39:12 ↗ um to help answer any questions.

39:15 ↗ So, um here tonight

39:18 ↗ um to present on a proposed purchase for

39:20 ↗ a new city hall. administration's

39:22 ↗ recommendation is to approve a purchase

39:23 ↗ and sale agreement um for a property at

39:26 ↗ 1055 Northwest Maple Street uh for the

39:29 ↗ amount of 12.975 million plus closing

39:32 ↗ closing costs and authorizing the mayor

39:35 ↗ to execute a lease agreement and other

39:36 ↗ documents necessary to complete the

39:38 ↗ purchase.

39:41 ↗ Um I will go through this very quickly

39:43 ↗ just because I was before you only two

39:45 ↗ weeks ago with uh this summary. So I'll

39:47 ↗ be very quick. Uh but this project has

39:51 ↗ um gone on for many years. Uh we started

39:53 ↗ this back in 2018 with our first space

39:57 ↗ needs study being completed. I took this

39:58 ↗ project on in 2023.

40:01 ↗ Um you know at that time council

40:02 ↗ supported a phased approach with

40:04 ↗ remodeling our police station first.

40:06 ↗ That's the most essential uh first step.

40:09 ↗ But the question was where does city

40:10 ↗ hall go? Uh if we're remodeling the

40:12 ↗ building at 130 East Sunset Way

40:14 ↗ exclusively for police use, we needed to

40:16 ↗ find a home for city hall. So, at that

40:18 ↗ point, council asked uh go out to the

40:20 ↗ community uh engage with our residents

40:23 ↗ uh to come back with some solutions. And

40:26 ↗ so, uh the city's largest task force to

40:28 ↗ date that I at least that I'm aware of

40:31 ↗ um got together and we had seven or

40:33 ↗ eight meetings last year and they really

40:35 ↗ dove into the specifics on uh what is a

40:38 ↗ quad needed as far as space and made

40:40 ↗ recommendations.

40:42 ↗ And then just earlier this year, we

40:44 ↗ moved our first piece of the puzzle and

40:46 ↗ moving municipal court out of this

40:47 ↗ building into a lease space uh with King

40:49 ↗ County District Court.

40:52 ↗ So the task force recommendations uh

40:54 ↗ there were several um the top priority

40:57 ↗ that emerged even before we had our

40:59 ↗ first meeting and we were just doing

41:00 ↗ tours of the police station was we

41:02 ↗ needed to address operational needs and

41:05 ↗ space needs of our police department.

41:07 ↗ And you know task force members said,

41:09 ↗ "Can we do that now?" like how quickly

41:11 ↗ can we actually pull that off uh once

41:13 ↗ they took the tours and saw uh the state

41:15 ↗ of just how squeezed our department is

41:18 ↗ in trying to operate but then again what

41:21 ↗ happens to city hall and so you know we

41:23 ↗ did share we have been looking for

41:25 ↗ properties to purchase and renovate and

41:27 ↗ it's been very very difficult to find

41:29 ↗ those in Isiqua and so while the task

41:32 ↗ force said please do remain flexible and

41:34 ↗ open to new opportunities ultimately we

41:36 ↗ went down the path of looking at what it

41:38 ↗ would cost to build a new city hall

41:40 ↗ either at city hall south this property

41:42 ↗ or over at Pickering.

41:47 ↗ Our project goals from the beginning,

41:49 ↗ which council adopted in 2023, are to

41:51 ↗ ensure safety, responsibly steward

41:53 ↗ public dollars, provide community

41:55 ↗ accessibility and convenience, support

41:58 ↗ economic development, deliver enhanced

42:00 ↗ community amenities, and embody

42:02 ↗ environmental stewardship.

42:06 ↗ So, I was before you just I think it was

42:07 ↗ two weeks ago in early April with a new

42:11 ↗ proposal um from administration on

42:13 ↗ what's next for our space needs.

42:16 ↗ We do not recommend pursuing

42:17 ↗ construction of a new city hall at this

42:19 ↗ time. We also recommend leveraging a

42:22 ↗ councilmatic bond to pay for a police

42:24 ↗ remodel and pay that debt service with

42:26 ↗ public safety sales tax revenue.

42:29 ↗ Uh we also recommend temporarily

42:31 ↗ retaining this building for police use

42:33 ↗ during that remodel because we'll have a

42:35 ↗ lot of shifting back and forth as we

42:36 ↗ remodel that building and then using

42:38 ↗ one-time funds to purchase and renovate

42:40 ↗ an existing building for city hall use.

42:45 ↗ A quick reminder, our estimate of cost

42:47 ↗ for building a new city hall, whether at

42:49 ↗ this site or at Pickering, was anywhere

42:50 ↗ from 44 to $57 million. And that was for

42:53 ↗ a 35,000t building. And the timeline

42:56 ↗ would be anywhere from three and a half

42:57 ↗ to four years to pull that off.

43:01 ↗ I mentioned there's a lack of inventory.

43:03 ↗ We have been working with our broker

43:04 ↗ CBRE for several years looking for a

43:07 ↗ property in Isiqua. There just there

43:10 ↗ aren't any. So there are 24 office

43:13 ↗ buildings in Isiqua um that are anywhere

43:16 ↗ between 10,000 and 40,000 square ft. Uh

43:19 ↗ and only 11 of those are 15,000 ft or

43:22 ↗ more. Uh, one of those buildings is City

43:25 ↗ Hall Northwest, which the city uh, sold

43:27 ↗ last year, and the other is the building

43:29 ↗ that I'm here tonight to propose that we

43:31 ↗ purchase at, uh, 1055 Northwest Maple

43:34 ↗ Street. So, this property is also known

43:37 ↗ as the Ednetics building to many in our

43:39 ↗ community. It's an extremely rare

43:42 ↗ offmarket opportunity uh, that recently

43:44 ↗ became available. It's it's a property

43:46 ↗ that, uh, we toured as staff even

43:49 ↗ several years ago when it was only

43:50 ↗ really available as a option to lease.

43:52 ↗ Um, so this is a very exciting

43:54 ↗ opportunity for us. The property

43:56 ↗ features 21,000 square ft of

43:58 ↗ high-quality office space located in

44:00 ↗ central Isiqua.

44:02 ↗ It meets a lot of our goals for space

44:04 ↗ needs, uh, providing a cost-effective

44:06 ↗ solution for where city hall goes,

44:09 ↗ allowing for us to quickly then start

44:11 ↗ working on renovations for PD. It's

44:13 ↗ located in central Isiqua, close to

44:15 ↗ transit and open space. Uh, it has a

44:18 ↗ really nice front counter, so it's

44:19 ↗ really welcoming to our community as far

44:21 ↗ as a a place that we can offer customer

44:23 ↗ service, and it's a really

44:25 ↗ well-maintained building. Um, our

44:26 ↗ facilities team has already been through

44:27 ↗ it. Um, and it's really been

44:29 ↗ wellmaintained over the years. It also

44:31 ↗ offers a lot of flexible space in the

44:32 ↗ years to come.

44:37 ↗ The property, here's just a quick map

44:39 ↗ just to orient you. property if you can

44:41 ↗ kind of locate where Tibbitz Valley Park

44:43 ↗ is close to parks close to our future

44:46 ↗ TOD project and close to the transit

44:48 ↗ center and like I said before also

44:50 ↗ located in central Isiqua.

44:53 ↗ So on to the purchase and sale terms. Uh

44:56 ↗ the proposed price is $12.97

45:00 ↗ million.

45:02 ↗ Under a proposed agreement, the seller

45:04 ↗ would retain the use of their existing

45:06 ↗ family office on the ground floor, which

45:08 ↗ is about 4,400 square feet through a

45:11 ↗ seven-year lease. And the fair market

45:14 ↗ value of this lease was factored in to

45:16 ↗ the negotiated purchase price.

45:19 ↗ The seller would pay the broker fees. Uh

45:21 ↗ the due diligence period is 20 days,

45:23 ↗ which has already started. The earnest

45:25 ↗ money is half a million dollars, which

45:27 ↗ is also refundable within that due

45:29 ↗ diligence period. The purchase and sale

45:31 ↗ agreement and the lease are contingent

45:33 ↗ upon city council approval, which is why

45:35 ↗ I'm here tonight. And uh we hope to

45:38 ↗ close fairly soon, but it does have

45:40 ↗ flexibility of closing within the you

45:41 ↗ know, the longest we can go is 120 days

45:44 ↗ following due diligence.

45:48 ↗ Uh just quickly in working with CBRE, um

45:51 ↗ we asked them to do some comparables of

45:53 ↗ just what the price is for office space

45:55 ↗ in this area. So they performed analysis

45:57 ↗ and found that the average price in our

46:00 ↗ area is about $725 per square foot and

46:03 ↗ this purchase is $69 per square foot.

46:10 ↗ Uh we have done a lot of space needs

46:12 ↗ studies as I mentioned in our timeline

46:14 ↗ uh over the years. Um this building can

46:16 ↗ accomodate accommodate city hall staff

46:18 ↗ in a hybrid model. The current office

46:21 ↗ use that we need to move right away is

46:24 ↗ the top floor of city hall, the eagle

46:26 ↗ room, and the top floor of this

46:28 ↗ building. Uh, and that's only 12,600

46:30 ↗ square ft. If you're factoring in the

46:32 ↗ lease for 7 years, we still have about

46:34 ↗ 17,000 ft with this opportunity.

46:37 ↗ Our latest uh space planning found that,

46:41 ↗ you know, very much the the top end of

46:44 ↗ what we would need as far as square

46:45 ↗ footage was 35,000 square ft. that

46:48 ↗ included a significant amount of space

46:50 ↗ for community use

46:52 ↗ and with the uh idea of a potential

46:54 ↗ parks bond which could offer some other

46:57 ↗ opportunities for um for community

46:59 ↗ meeting space perhaps going to voters

47:02 ↗ this year that would be a good

47:03 ↗ opportunity to also pursue how to best

47:05 ↗ be creative in some of our other

47:07 ↗ existing spaces to be used to for um

47:09 ↗ community use. So, the next step um if

47:13 ↗ this um is approved tonight is hiring an

47:16 ↗ architect for space planning. There's

47:18 ↗ already been a lot of questions of who's

47:19 ↗ going where and what would happen if

47:21 ↗ this is approved. Um there would take

47:23 ↗ some time and effort in looking at how

47:25 ↗ we could best uh utilize that building

47:27 ↗ and any tenant improvements we would

47:29 ↗ need to make.

47:31 ↗ Uh so, the budget for this project um

47:34 ↗ the proposal is to use all one-time

47:36 ↗ revenue that has been set aside

47:38 ↗ specifically for our facility needs. The

47:40 ↗ largest of that is the proceeds from our

47:43 ↗ previous city hall northwest building

47:44 ↗ which we sold last year as well as the

47:47 ↗ food bank when we sold that property.

47:49 ↗ The lakeside development agreement set

47:51 ↗ aside money specifically for facility

47:53 ↗ use. We also have government mitigation

47:55 ↗ fees saved up. And we have some interest

47:58 ↗ earnings that could be used specifically

48:00 ↗ for those tenant improvements,

48:01 ↗ furniture, other things, too. So in

48:03 ↗ total, we have up to $16.3 million.

48:07 ↗ Again, all that are in one-time funds.

48:14 ↗ Our due diligence is 20 days. That has

48:16 ↗ already started. That clock has started.

48:19 ↗ Uh we are reviewing the title which we

48:21 ↗ just recently received. Uh all the

48:23 ↗ permit information um information

48:26 ↗ provided by the seller. Uh we are also

48:28 ↗ hiring a third-party uh company to come

48:30 ↗ in and do a building condition

48:32 ↗ assessment as well as a phase one. Our

48:34 ↗ major systems and building envelope will

48:37 ↗ be reviewed and the storm water system

48:39 ↗ on the adjacent parcel will also be

48:40 ↗ looked at too.

48:48 ↗ So, uh the property is a little over

48:50 ↗ 68,000 square ft. It is zoned urban core

48:54 ↗ and is constrained by uh wetlands and

48:56 ↗ stream buffers from the south and the

48:58 ↗ east. any further expansion or

49:00 ↗ redevelopment of the property, which

49:02 ↗ we're not recommending at this time, uh

49:04 ↗ would be required to comply with the

49:06 ↗ then current code requirements.

49:09 ↗ Reszoning this property to community

49:11 ↗ facilities facilities, which is what our

49:13 ↗ other properties are zoned at, uh any

49:15 ↗ city any city property is would also

49:18 ↗ provide uh more flexibility for this

49:20 ↗ site in the future if there was ever a

49:22 ↗ need that we would want to remodel or to

49:24 ↗ grow.

49:29 ↗ So, as for timing and next steps, like I

49:31 ↗ said, we're very busy right now going

49:33 ↗ through the due diligence period. Um,

49:34 ↗ like I've shared with several uh folks.

49:38 ↗ Um, so far so good. Everything looks

49:39 ↗ very well maintained on this building,

49:41 ↗ but we'll be doing more of that work

49:43 ↗ now. Following uh any following the

49:46 ↗ closing, we would then finalize a move

49:48 ↗ plan. So, space planning, tenant

49:50 ↗ improvements, furniture, come back to

49:52 ↗ you with that plan and an update um

49:55 ↗ before proceeding with that work.

49:59 ↗ And with that, here's your proposed

50:01 ↗ motion and I am available as well as

50:03 ↗ some of my co-workers to answer any

50:05 ↗ questions.

50:05 ↗ >> Council President Marks.

50:07 ↗ >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Can you tell me a

50:09 ↗ little bit more under the diligence um

50:13 ↗ storm water system on the adjacent

50:14 ↗ parcel? What's that about? So that was

50:17 ↗ built when the uh building was first

50:19 ↗ built and so it's on a separate parcel

50:21 ↗ that was part of a larger development

50:24 ↗ that includes Target and a few other of

50:26 ↗ the businesses area in the area around

50:28 ↗ there as more of a master plan. So when

50:30 ↗ that building was built, there was uh an

50:32 ↗ easement granted to uh to build the

50:36 ↗ storm water retention on a separate site

50:38 ↗ and that the easement would also require

50:41 ↗ for the property owner to maintain it.

50:44 ↗ >> Still confused. Is it a detention pond

50:46 ↗ or a pump? What is it?

50:48 ↗ >> It is uh you look at the exact

50:52 ↗ >> is it passive? Is it active?

50:54 ↗ >> It's passive.

51:01 ↗ >> Council member.

51:04 ↗ >> Oh,

51:04 ↗ >> yeah. Oh,

51:07 ↗ >> are you looking up more information?

51:08 ↗ >> I am looking it up. Sorry. One sec. Oh.

51:17 ↗ It's a bofiltration swale.

51:21 ↗ >> Is it Is this the parcel that's directly

51:23 ↗ to the east of it?

51:24 ↗ >> Yes.

51:25 ↗ >> It's a It's like a little triangular

51:26 ↗ corner corner piece.

51:28 ↗ >> Okay. So, why is that our Why are we Why

51:33 ↗ is that part of our due diligence? What

51:34 ↗ are we

51:35 ↗ >> uh We're just looking at has it been has

51:37 ↗ it been maintained? What will it take to

51:39 ↗ maintain in the future? But but is that

51:41 ↗ part of what we'd be buying?

51:43 ↗ >> No, but the easement is that we would

51:44 ↗ maintain it even though it's not on our

51:46 ↗ property.

51:46 ↗ >> I see. Y

51:47 ↗ >> Okay. Thank you.

51:48 ↗ >> Yep.

51:50 ↗ >> Council over there.

51:52 ↗ >> Um you mentioned the reszoning it for

51:54 ↗ community facilities adds more

51:56 ↗ flexibility. What kind of flexibility

51:58 ↗ does that add exactly?

52:00 ↗ >> Yeah, I I'm going to phone a friend. We

52:01 ↗ have our community planning and

52:03 ↗ development director, Minnie, online.

52:07 ↗ >> Minnie, your phone's ringing.

52:12 ↗ Hello everyone. Um this is Mini Dali,

52:15 ↗ community planning and development

52:16 ↗ director here. Um in terms of

52:19 ↗ flexibility, um it it ties to anything

52:22 ↗ that it doesn't currently comply with

52:25 ↗ our regulations. Um if it is zoned

52:28 ↗ community facilities facilities CFF then

52:32 ↗ uh because it's public's investment in

52:34 ↗ the in in that infrastructure or

52:37 ↗ building uh there is a little bit more

52:39 ↗ leeway in terms of what it can and

52:42 ↗ cannot do in terms of expansion or

52:45 ↗ continued use or anything that doesn't

52:47 ↗ comply with the code. So it provides

52:49 ↗ more flexible path for uh for doing some

52:53 ↗ of those things for public buildings.

53:00 ↗ >> Does that help answer your question?

53:03 ↗ >> I mean a bit. I mean more flexibility. I

53:05 ↗ you know I was saying more concrete just

53:07 ↗ we can expand it beyond our codes would

53:10 ↗ normally allow or I'm just not quite

53:12 ↗ sure what that flexibility is but

53:13 ↗ obviously this is a long range issue and

53:15 ↗ we're not doing it right now. I'm just

53:16 ↗ curious.

53:18 ↗ Yeah, it's it's um more generic and more

53:21 ↗ broad than specific things what you can

53:24 ↗ and cannot do. So, it gives a a big um

53:27 ↗ discretion uh as a policy, you know, and

53:31 ↗ some of these buildings are like the

53:32 ↗ community center, the senior center. So,

53:34 ↗ a lot of public investments have gone in

53:36 ↗ into it, but codes change over time and

53:39 ↗ so they're looked at a little bit more

53:42 ↗ um leniently because of public's

53:44 ↗ investment. But it isn't one thing or

53:46 ↗ two things. It's much more broad uh in

53:50 ↗ terms of what the flexibility can be

53:52 ↗ granted under those provisions.

53:54 ↗ >> Yeah.

53:55 ↗ >> Deputy President Jay.

53:57 ↗ >> Um great. So um on one of the previous

54:00 ↗ slides you showed that the amount of

54:01 ↗ onetime funds we have is about 16

54:03 ↗ million and the cost of the new city

54:04 ↗ hall is about 13 million. Um what's the

54:07 ↗ plan for that 3 million to be spent on?

54:10 ↗ >> Yeah, I'll bring up that slide again.

54:13 ↗ Uh, so right now we know the cost of the

54:15 ↗ building and so next would be looking at

54:18 ↗ tenant improvements, space planning,

54:20 ↗ what would be needed to actually move

54:22 ↗ into the building? I don't anticipate

54:23 ↗ it's going to cost that much, but was

54:25 ↗ sharing with you all the different

54:26 ↗ options we have as far as budget.

54:29 ↗ >> And so if we don't spend the full amount

54:31 ↗ of money, could that money be applied to

54:33 ↗ say, you know, the police improvements

54:34 ↗ that we talked about or, you know, other

54:36 ↗ facility needs like HVAC and other city

54:38 ↗ facilities or things like that?

54:40 ↗ >> Yes. Great. Thank you.

54:43 ↗ Oh, and Autumn, you forgot to mention it

54:44 ↗ comes with a generator. Very exciting.

54:46 ↗ Uh, Council Member Walsh,

54:49 ↗ >> thank you. In looking at this um on

54:53 ↗ Google Maps, it appears that uh Spring

54:56 ↗ Hill Suites uh the access to their

54:58 ↗ garage is through perhaps a shared

55:01 ↗ driveway. Is that part of a right of way

55:04 ↗ or something that we would maintain?

55:06 ↗ >> It is part of an easement. So, that was

55:08 ↗ part of the um yeah, some of that title

55:11 ↗ uh information that we just received,

55:12 ↗ but yes, it is shared.

55:13 ↗ >> Okay. Thank you,

55:16 ↗ >> Council Member Joe.

55:18 ↗ >> Thank you. Um Autumn, appreciate all the

55:20 ↗ hard work uh you've done over the years

55:23 ↗ on this. Uh it's exciting to see that

55:25 ↗ we're near a possible conclusion. Um, I

55:28 ↗ had a question about the due diligence

55:30 ↗ plans and whether or not that included

55:32 ↗ an assessment of the parking lot, the

55:35 ↗ pavement condition, um, any of the

55:37 ↗ deterioration that might be there. If

55:39 ↗ you could comment on that.

55:41 ↗ >> Yes, part of the review from that third

55:43 ↗ party company that I mentioned will

55:44 ↗ include assessment of the pavement. Um,

55:47 ↗ there are some areas of cracking and

55:48 ↗ there was an assessment done in 2021

55:50 ↗ that says that at some point it will

55:51 ↗ need some maintenance. Um, but but we

55:53 ↗ also know some folks who can do that,

55:55 ↗ too. So,

55:57 ↗ >> I appreciate that. I I know that uh

56:00 ↗ those of us that were here when it was

56:02 ↗ first built uh know that it was uh um

56:05 ↗ primarily of wetland and wet uh soil and

56:08 ↗ we hope that uh no serious settling has

56:10 ↗ occurred etc etc. So, thank you for

56:12 ↗ doing that.

56:18 ↗ All right. I'm not seeing any other

56:22 ↗ questions. Uh,

56:26 ↗ there's no further. Well, I guess I look

56:30 ↗ to see if there's a motion.

56:33 ↗ >> Council President Marks.

56:34 ↗ >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to approve

56:36 ↗ a purchase and sale agreement with DWP

56:38 ↗ LLC to purchase the property known as

56:41 ↗ King County Tax Parcel 2824069326

56:46 ↗ 1055 Northwest Maple Street for the

56:48 ↗ amount of 12,975,000

56:51 ↗ plus closing costs and and authorize the

56:54 ↗ mayor to execute a lease agreement with

56:55 ↗ DWP LLC and other documents necessary to

56:58 ↗ complete the purchase.

57:00 ↗ >> Second.

57:02 ↗ >> Okay, there's been a motion and a

57:04 ↗ second. Is there any further discussion?

57:06 ↗ Council member Council President Marts.

57:08 ↗ >> So, this property has has been known

57:12 ↗ there there was a there's been a

57:13 ↗ parallel effort for the last 20 years um

57:16 ↗ to look at a human services campus and

57:18 ↗ um this property was well known to a lot

57:20 ↗ of us um back in the days when we were

57:22 ↗ looking for human services campus

57:24 ↗ because we were really excited about it.

57:25 ↗ We couldn't make it work 20 years ago.

57:27 ↗ Um the search for a human services

57:29 ↗ campus unfortunately continues on. Um,

57:32 ↗ but this is really exciting. Um, this is

57:35 ↗ at a great price. Um, 13 million. I'm,

57:39 ↗ you know, I'm I'm not a rocket scientist

57:41 ↗ anymore, but I'm pretty sure the 13

57:43 ↗ million is a lot less than 47 million.

57:45 ↗ Um, so so this would be really good. We

57:48 ↗ would have to be, you know, creative in

57:50 ↗ using the space. Um the capital

57:52 ↗ facilities uh task force uh came up with

57:56 ↗ good estimates and those um you know

57:58 ↗ we'll have to find other places for

58:00 ↗ community engagement. Um fortunately the

58:03 ↗ city has a lot of of spaces for

58:05 ↗ community engagement and you know in a

58:08 ↗ time of very careful finances um doing

58:12 ↗ this this is as frugal of a space as we

58:15 ↗ can possibly imagine getting anywhere.

58:17 ↗ So, I just really um uh appreciate the

58:20 ↗ administration's effort to go out and

58:22 ↗ find this opportunity. It wasn't like it

58:24 ↗ it wasn't on, you know, Zillow,

58:27 ↗ but you found it and uh came up with a

58:29 ↗ creative solution to it. So, kudos to

58:30 ↗ everybody involved and I am a a strong

58:33 ↗ uh I I will strongly proudly support

58:35 ↗ this this evening.

58:37 ↗ >> Deputy President Jen.

58:39 ↗ >> Great. Well, first of all, I want to

58:40 ↗ give massive kudos to Autumn and our

58:42 ↗ broker team at CBRE for getting this

58:44 ↗ deal done. This, you know, as council

58:46 ↗ president Martz mentioned, this was not

58:47 ↗ on Zillow. The seller didn't actually

58:49 ↗ really want to sell that much. And so,

58:51 ↗ it took a lot of persistence from Autumn

58:52 ↗ and everyone involved to get to this

58:54 ↗ deal, which in my opinion is a great

58:56 ↗ deal for Isiquat's 13 million, which is

58:58 ↗ a lot less than, you know, the $50

59:00 ↗ million that it could have cost. We're

59:02 ↗ saving what $40 million of taxpayer

59:04 ↗ money if I'm doing the math correctly,

59:06 ↗ which is really great, especially given,

59:08 ↗ you know, we've seen in some neighboring

59:09 ↗ communities they've tried to, you know,

59:11 ↗ pass a bond to build a new city hall,

59:14 ↗ failed, and now they're trying to figure

59:15 ↗ out what to do. I think that this, you

59:17 ↗ know, given that we already have the

59:18 ↗ money from selling off city hall

59:20 ↗ northwest, which by the way, if you're

59:21 ↗ exiting the highway off uh exit 15, you

59:24 ↗ can see it's very much under

59:25 ↗ construction right now. So, we got rid

59:27 ↗ of that and got this new beautiful

59:29 ↗ office building. Um, Council Member

59:30 ↗ Nichols and I had the opportunity to

59:32 ↗ tour it on Saturday. It's very, very

59:34 ↗ nice. So, it's very exciting. Um, what

59:37 ↗ another thing that I'm really excited

59:38 ↗ about with this space is that it's a lot

59:40 ↗ bigger than our current space. So, that

59:41 ↗ gives us the opportunity to, you know,

59:43 ↗ move some of the folks who are currently

59:44 ↗ in spaces that previously were community

59:46 ↗ spaces like Tibbitz Manor into City

59:48 ↗ Hall. You know, we earlier heard from

59:50 ↗ someone who had the opportunity to get

59:51 ↗ married in Tibet Manor. I got married

59:54 ↗ last summer. I actually was like that

59:55 ↗ would be a cool venue cuz it's so close

59:57 ↗ to my house but it's no longer available

59:59 ↗ for use as a wedding venue. So perhaps

1:00:01 ↗ with this new city hall that could be a

1:00:03 ↗ possibility. Um but you know with

1:00:06 ↗ community spaces we have all these um

1:00:07 ↗ you know cool buildings around the city

1:00:09 ↗ um that are currently used for office

1:00:11 ↗ space that could be transformed. So

1:00:13 ↗ that's really exciting as well. Um, one

1:00:16 ↗ point I do want to raise though on the

1:00:18 ↗ resoning is that I want to be cautious

1:00:20 ↗ about potentially reszoning to community

1:00:21 ↗ facilities facilities because last year

1:00:23 ↗ we had this discussion of do we actually

1:00:25 ↗ want to get rid of this category of

1:00:26 ↗ zoning altogether um community

1:00:28 ↗ facilities facilities because you know

1:00:30 ↗ when we sold city hall northwest we had

1:00:32 ↗ to reszone the property to basically

1:00:34 ↗ like office space something like that to

1:00:36 ↗ be able to sell it to someone who is not

1:00:38 ↗ the city and so that adds basically a

1:00:40 ↗ one-year timeline to you know selling

1:00:42 ↗ any property given the state of the

1:00:44 ↗ world, you know, the market crash in

1:00:47 ↗ that amount of time. So that actually

1:00:49 ↗ reduces flexibility from the perspective

1:00:51 ↗ of, you know, um, selling city

1:00:53 ↗ properties. So that's something that I

1:00:55 ↗ want to be very intentional about if we

1:00:56 ↗ choose to pursue. Um, also I don't

1:01:00 ↗ really love this concept that, you know,

1:01:02 ↗ oh, we can create our own zone and then

1:01:03 ↗ set our own rules for ourselves and

1:01:06 ↗ then, you know, that are less stringent

1:01:08 ↗ than for other people in the city. I

1:01:10 ↗ don't think that necessarily like sends

1:01:12 ↗ the right message, but um that's a kind

1:01:14 ↗ of further discussion for the future.

1:01:16 ↗ For tonight, um I'm very very excited to

1:01:18 ↗ vote yes on buying this new city hall

1:01:20 ↗ and uh you know, moving forward with

1:01:22 ↗ that.

1:01:24 ↗ >> Council member Dair,

1:01:27 ↗ >> um I just wanted to add and also commend

1:01:29 ↗ the administration for the work that

1:01:30 ↗ went into this. I actually in my

1:01:32 ↗ appointment speech talked about this

1:01:35 ↗ issue. I got here, you know, part of the

1:01:37 ↗ way it was through the task force on

1:01:39 ↗ this issue, saw the police station, saw

1:01:41 ↗ the problems that they had and how

1:01:43 ↗ urgent that was, but recognized how

1:01:45 ↗ difficult a solution this was going to

1:01:48 ↗ be because of the cost to find a new

1:01:50 ↗ city hall and to build one and because

1:01:51 ↗ there was no inventory. The only way is

1:01:53 ↗ to build, but the costs were so

1:01:55 ↗ astronomical. And in my speech wanted,

1:01:58 ↗ you know, us to work hard to find a

1:01:59 ↗ solution and I'm just amazed that a

1:02:02 ↗ solution is already here. Um, and I

1:02:04 ↗ toured it today as well and just saw,

1:02:07 ↗ you know, could see the future of what

1:02:08 ↗ this will be of such a great space as

1:02:11 ↗ well as the the how we'll finally fix

1:02:15 ↗ the police station problems and all the

1:02:16 ↗ things that are there. So, I just really

1:02:18 ↗ wanted to commend the administration for

1:02:20 ↗ this work and how excited I am to be

1:02:23 ↗ here and already be saying yes to this

1:02:25 ↗ and having this problem um, finally

1:02:27 ↗ actually addressed. So, thank you all

1:02:29 ↗ for all the work you did on this. Right.

1:02:32 ↗ Council member Joe,

1:02:34 ↗ >> thank you. I I saw that our finance

1:02:35 ↗ director left before I could make this

1:02:38 ↗ comment, but I want to give uh kudos and

1:02:41 ↗ appreciation to the administration and

1:02:43 ↗ the mayor for uh this purchase. Um it's

1:02:47 ↗ it's an allcash purchase. We're not

1:02:49 ↗ going into debt to buy this building.

1:02:52 ↗ The voters, our citizens are not being

1:02:54 ↗ asked to approve any new funding for

1:02:57 ↗ this. the the money that is there we've

1:03:00 ↗ squirreled away over the years from

1:03:02 ↗ different government mitigation activity

1:03:05 ↗ um the sale of the food bank u um down

1:03:08 ↗ the street and so by saving and planning

1:03:12 ↗ uh we were able to seize this

1:03:14 ↗ opportunity when it became available at

1:03:17 ↗ no additional debt cost to our citizens.

1:03:20 ↗ So, I really want to thank the

1:03:22 ↗ administration, the mayor for making

1:03:24 ↗ that happen and saving this money over

1:03:26 ↗ time so that we could wait until we had

1:03:28 ↗ an opportunity that could really make

1:03:29 ↗ sense. I'm fully in support of it this

1:03:31 ↗ evening.

1:03:32 ↗ >> You should know Kristen does rewatch all

1:03:34 ↗ positive comments about our apartments.

1:03:36 ↗ >> Council member Nichols,

1:03:37 ↗ >> I'll be brief. Yeah. Uh, I think the

1:03:39 ↗ space looks really great. Uh, and

1:03:41 ↗ critically, as has been mentioned

1:03:42 ↗ multiple times, it's also

1:03:43 ↗ cost-effective. Uh there are some novel

1:03:45 ↗ aspects to this deal that clearly

1:03:47 ↗ required some good creativity and I

1:03:49 ↗ think show really good thinking uh to

1:03:50 ↗ solve what has been a well-known problem

1:03:52 ↗ for quite some time. Um so uh to reuse a

1:03:55 ↗ word that's been used multiple times

1:03:56 ↗ kudos uh to the staff uh and I really

1:03:59 ↗ look forward to seeing this deal go

1:04:00 ↗ through. Uh I also just briefly on

1:04:03 ↗ zoning I I don't think we need to

1:04:04 ↗ address this issue even soon necessarily

1:04:08 ↗ uh if I understand the responses from

1:04:09 ↗ staff today correctly. Uh looking at the

1:04:11 ↗ space, it does look like it'll be suit

1:04:13 ↗ suitable for quite some time. Uh and I

1:04:15 ↗ think we can delay that to a future date

1:04:16 ↗ when for example we're looking at zoning

1:04:18 ↗ in this area overall or if it otherwise

1:04:20 ↗ comes up. So uh I'll also be voting yes

1:04:22 ↗ and uh kudos to the staff.

1:04:27 ↗ >> Council member Walsh

1:04:29 ↗ >> agree. I don't have anything else to

1:04:32 ↗ add. I'm just glad to see that we are

1:04:35 ↗ addressing this issue and are able to

1:04:37 ↗ move forward. Thank you.

1:04:39 ↗ >> Okay. If there's no further discussion,

1:04:40 ↗ the motion before the council is to

1:04:42 ↗ approve a purchase sale agreement with

1:04:43 ↗ DWP LLC to purchase a property known as

1:04:45 ↗ King County, Texas parcel

1:04:48 ↗ 28246-9326

1:04:52 ↗ 1055 Northwest Maple Street for the

1:04:53 ↗ amount of 12,975,000

1:04:56 ↗ plus closing cost and authorized mayor

1:04:57 ↗ to execute a lease agreement with DWP

1:04:59 ↗ LLC and other documents necessary to

1:05:02 ↗ complete the purchase. All those in

1:05:03 ↗ favor, please say I.

1:05:05 ↗ >> I.

1:05:07 ↗ >> All those opposed, no. And that passes

1:05:10 ↗ unanimously. None of them, you should

1:05:12 ↗ know. I did suggest we have champagne,

1:05:13 ↗ but our city administrator, Wall-E, said

1:05:15 ↗ we're not allowed to have champagne on

1:05:17 ↗ the dis. And so that was rejected. But

1:05:19 ↗ uh on we go to the next business item.

1:05:22 ↗ And uh ID193, new business request,

1:05:26 ↗ public reporting on immigration

1:05:27 ↗ enforcement activity. The March 16th

1:05:29 ↗ city council meeting, Council Member

1:05:30 ↗ Nichols presented this new business

1:05:31 ↗ item. The city council voted to for this

1:05:33 ↗ item the next step in the process, which

1:05:34 ↗ is a preliminary staff response. We're

1:05:37 ↗ going to ask

1:05:39 ↗ uh city administrator uh

1:05:43 ↗ the assistant to the city administrator

1:05:44 ↗ Dale Marky Crimp to provide the staff

1:05:46 ↗ response. I think Dale is coming in by

1:05:50 ↗ the cloud. There is Dale.

1:05:52 ↗ >> I am. Can you all hear me loud and

1:05:54 ↗ clear?

1:05:55 ↗ >> We can.

1:05:56 ↗ >> Awesome. I can see the nods. Good

1:05:58 ↗ evening, Mayor Mullet, members of the

1:06:00 ↗ city council. I am Dale Marky Crimp,

1:06:02 ↗ assistant to the city administrator,

1:06:04 ↗ coming to you over the airwaves this

1:06:06 ↗ evening. Um, I'm here to introduce the

1:06:08 ↗ administration's response to the new

1:06:10 ↗ business item ID 1933, public reporting

1:06:13 ↗ on immigration enforcement activity. Um,

1:06:16 ↗ and as you can see on the screen, uh,

1:06:19 ↗ police chief Polishwan is also here with

1:06:21 ↗ me this evening and will be able to

1:06:22 ↗ answer qu any questions you might have.

1:06:25 ↗ So, in response to this new business

1:06:27 ↗ item, the administration is recommending

1:06:29 ↗ that the police department implements a

1:06:31 ↗ new computer aided dispatch or CAD code

1:06:34 ↗ to capture community reported federal

1:06:36 ↗ immigration enforcement activity as well

1:06:39 ↗ as um recommending that they include a

1:06:42 ↗ monthly summary of calls in the city's

1:06:44 ↗ public facing police department monthly

1:06:46 ↗ report. Um an attachment which shows a

1:06:49 ↗ mockup of that report is included in the

1:06:51 ↗ council materials this evening. We

1:06:53 ↗ believe both of these actions will

1:06:55 ↗ support transparent sharing of confirmed

1:06:57 ↗ incidents within city limits. A bit of

1:07:00 ↗ background on this. Um, Mayor Mullet

1:07:03 ↗ already mentioned uh Council Member

1:07:05 ↗ Nichols submitted a new business request

1:07:07 ↗ at the March 16th meeting regarding the

1:07:09 ↗ city's reporting on federal immigration

1:07:11 ↗ enforcement activities within city

1:07:13 ↗ limits. The city already rep reports on

1:07:16 ↗ its own law enforcement activity and as

1:07:18 ↗ noted in council member Nichols request,

1:07:20 ↗ the city does track and report some data

1:07:23 ↗ related to immigration status. But this

1:07:26 ↗ information on U visa and T visa

1:07:29 ↗ certification requests is shared at the

1:07:32 ↗ request of the person requesting that

1:07:35 ↗ information from our police department

1:07:37 ↗ in order to apply for particular types

1:07:39 ↗ of immigration visas. This information

1:07:43 ↗ differs significantly from federal

1:07:44 ↗ immigration enforcement activity, which

1:07:46 ↗ is activity conducted by federal

1:07:48 ↗ agencies and not reported to or

1:07:51 ↗ controlled by the city. So, it's really

1:07:54 ↗ challenging uh to track and report on

1:07:57 ↗ federal immigration enforcement

1:07:58 ↗ primarily due to uh the legal framework

1:08:02 ↗ that governs federal and local authority

1:08:04 ↗ in the United States. Under the

1:08:06 ↗ Constitution, um specifically the

1:08:08 ↗ supremacy clause, federal agencies are

1:08:10 ↗ able to enforce federal law nationwide

1:08:13 ↗ and they operate

1:08:15 ↗ independently of local jurisdictions. So

1:08:18 ↗ to put that more succinctly, federal

1:08:21 ↗ authorities aren't required to notify or

1:08:24 ↗ cooperate with or even provide any

1:08:26 ↗ information to lo local jurisdictions

1:08:29 ↗ about their activities. So, the city

1:08:31 ↗ doesn't have a reliable data source that

1:08:34 ↗ they can just go to um to confirm

1:08:37 ↗ federal immigration enforcement that

1:08:39 ↗ happens within Isiqua. However, we do

1:08:42 ↗ have an awesome community and the

1:08:44 ↗ administration re recognizes that the

1:08:47 ↗ community is interested in transparency

1:08:50 ↗ and deeply desires to know about federal

1:08:53 ↗ movement within our community as much as

1:08:55 ↗ they can. And to address this, the

1:08:57 ↗ administration and our police department

1:08:59 ↗ needs their help. So what the

1:09:01 ↗ administration is recommending is that

1:09:02 ↗ the police department, as they already

1:09:04 ↗ have, creates a new dispatch code. So

1:09:07 ↗ there's a new code now that dispatchers

1:09:09 ↗ can use when a community member calls

1:09:10 ↗ 911 to report suspected federal

1:09:13 ↗ immigration enforcement activity or

1:09:15 ↗ concerns related to federal immigration

1:09:17 ↗ authority. Dispatchers will dispatch

1:09:20 ↗ officers to investigate.

1:09:22 ↗ We're we're also going to rely on that

1:09:25 ↗ community reported data. With this code,

1:09:28 ↗ the police department is going to be

1:09:30 ↗ able to systematically log, track, and

1:09:32 ↗ analyze these calls over time and

1:09:35 ↗ understand where behavior where activity

1:09:38 ↗ is taking place. And then with this

1:09:40 ↗ code, um this will allow for all of the

1:09:44 ↗ any any calls and activity to be

1:09:46 ↗ reported out in a monthly report. And so

1:09:49 ↗ you can see in attachment A in your

1:09:50 ↗ materials, um, our crimerevention

1:09:53 ↗ analyst has already modeled up what this

1:09:55 ↗ would look like. Um, adding a number of

1:09:57 ↗ calls, uh, related to ICE activity in

1:10:00 ↗ the monthly report. I want to emphasize

1:10:04 ↗ um, that this reporting will only

1:10:06 ↗ reflect what is reported via 911

1:10:08 ↗ dispatch to the Isiqua Police

1:10:10 ↗ Department. Officers will then report to

1:10:12 ↗ the scene and and if they can, they'll

1:10:14 ↗ confirm what's happening. However,

1:10:16 ↗ again, due to the independent authority

1:10:19 ↗ of federal agencies and the absence of a

1:10:22 ↗ requirement to notify the city of their

1:10:24 ↗ actions, the city cannot always

1:10:26 ↗ independently verify or comprehensively

1:10:28 ↗ track all federal enforcement activity.

1:10:31 ↗ They will do their best. They will show

1:10:32 ↗ up at the the scene. They will

1:10:34 ↗ investigate. Um, but please know that a

1:10:37 ↗ a federal immigration officer could say

1:10:41 ↗ nothing. They don't have to say

1:10:43 ↗ anything. The CAD code has been created.

1:10:46 ↗ Um the police department is actually

1:10:47 ↗ already using it to code appropriate

1:10:49 ↗ calls and the department's data analyst

1:10:52 ↗ has already included the number of calls

1:10:54 ↗ related to this uh CAD code in the Marsh

1:10:57 ↗ report. Um this is the administration's

1:11:00 ↗ recommendation moving forward. Um and

1:11:03 ↗ there's no further council action needed

1:11:04 ↗ tonight if this satisfies the business

1:11:06 ↗ request. However, um included in the

1:11:10 ↗ materials for this evening are a couple

1:11:11 ↗ other options. Um, and I will uh turn it

1:11:15 ↗ over for to the council for questions

1:11:17 ↗ and consideration.

1:11:22 ↗ >> Okay, I'm looking. Is there a

1:11:26 ↗ >> No questions, but I have a motion.

1:11:27 ↗ >> Yep. Council member Mark. I move the

1:11:30 ↗ city council direct the administration

1:11:32 ↗ collect data related to community

1:11:34 ↗ reported federal immigration enforcement

1:11:36 ↗ activity to the public facing police

1:11:39 ↗ department monthly report including how

1:11:41 ↗ many federal immigration activities were

1:11:43 ↗ able to be confirmed.

1:11:47 ↗ >> Second.

1:11:49 ↗ Okay, there's

1:11:51 ↗ there's been a motion and a second

1:11:53 ↗ discussion.

1:11:54 ↗ >> Yeah, thank you. Um, I appreciate first

1:11:57 ↗ of all that um the city administration

1:12:01 ↗ has been able to respond to this. I

1:12:03 ↗ think this is a great example of a new

1:12:05 ↗ business request item where a city

1:12:08 ↗ council member was able to um recognize

1:12:12 ↗ that there was a community need around

1:12:15 ↗ clear um public transparent information

1:12:18 ↗ about um any reported um federal

1:12:21 ↗ immigration activity in the community.

1:12:24 ↗ And so having that transparency be able

1:12:27 ↗ to be included in a monthly police

1:12:30 ↗ report is important. My concern in just

1:12:33 ↗ stopping at that point and not also

1:12:36 ↗ reporting out on any confirmed um

1:12:39 ↗ activities

1:12:41 ↗ may lead people to believe that there

1:12:44 ↗ were that many different activities in

1:12:49 ↗ the community when there may be 15 or 20

1:12:52 ↗ people reporting for a a single event.

1:12:55 ↗ And so I have um added to this basically

1:13:00 ↗ saying that I would like us to also

1:13:03 ↗ report how many of those federal

1:13:05 ↗ immigration activities were able to be

1:13:07 ↗ confirmed um because that will provide

1:13:09 ↗ the public a little bit more

1:13:11 ↗ information. I recognize that there uh

1:13:14 ↗ the federal administration does not have

1:13:17 ↗ to um say anything um when our officers

1:13:21 ↗ go out, but it is important for us to be

1:13:24 ↗ able to show not only that we are

1:13:27 ↗ receiving these reports, but that we are

1:13:29 ↗ going out and responding to them and

1:13:32 ↗ that if we can confirm or

1:13:36 ↗ disisconfirm um see that something is

1:13:40 ↗ not uh federal immigration activity,

1:13:43 ↗ then that allows us to provide

1:13:45 ↗ additional public information um to the

1:13:47 ↗ community.

1:13:50 ↗ >> Council member Adair.

1:13:52 ↗ >> Uh yeah, I want to echo those the same

1:13:54 ↗ comments from uh council member Walsh

1:13:56 ↗ and that I you know I think this is you

1:13:57 ↗ know a start but similarly in like the

1:13:59 ↗ sample version that was sent. It simply

1:14:00 ↗ just said ICE reported related reports

1:14:03 ↗ which I don't feel is enough information

1:14:05 ↗ since that can just simply be how many

1:14:07 ↗ people called and obviously we want to

1:14:09 ↗ know what was actually an event what you

1:14:11 ↗ know what was just people thought it was

1:14:13 ↗ but that's not the case as well as how

1:14:16 ↗ many people were potentially detained at

1:14:18 ↗ said event. I feel like there is more

1:14:20 ↗ data to be obtained that this is a good

1:14:22 ↗ start. You now have a mechanism to start

1:14:24 ↗ tracking it. But I do think this is this

1:14:26 ↗ is a step towards what we need to do and

1:14:29 ↗ that there needs to be continued work to

1:14:31 ↗ get all the data we need because you if

1:14:32 ↗ you look at one of the monthly reports

1:14:34 ↗ that the police does have there's you

1:14:35 ↗ know there's multiple pages going into

1:14:37 ↗ all sorts of things of the different

1:14:39 ↗ types of offenses and breaking it down

1:14:41 ↗ by all sorts of types. So there is we

1:14:43 ↗ regularly supply more data than just the

1:14:46 ↗ reports and I would like that same level

1:14:47 ↗ of data to be applied to this.

1:14:50 ↗ >> Council President Marks.

1:14:52 ↗ >> Thank you. I'd like to ask the

1:14:53 ↗ administration if they feel they'd be

1:14:54 ↗ able to achieve this.

1:15:00 ↗ >> Yes. Uh Miss Marky Crimp has had

1:15:03 ↗ conversations with Council Member Walsh

1:15:05 ↗ this afternoon and I think we could

1:15:06 ↗ we'll be able to add an additional line.

1:15:08 ↗ Is that correct?

1:15:13 ↗ >> Yes, we should be able to add an

1:15:15 ↗ additional line. Um, if the number of

1:15:18 ↗ calls is above one, um, and then we

1:15:21 ↗ confirm or disisconfirm, I think both

1:15:23 ↗ council member Walsh and I will find a

1:15:25 ↗ better word than disconfirm. But, um,

1:15:28 ↗ we'll be able to expand on that. And if

1:15:30 ↗ it becomes a situation, council member

1:15:31 ↗ Adair, where that number is 10, 15, 20,

1:15:36 ↗ and we get to the point where we have

1:15:38 ↗ that volume of calls coming in, I could

1:15:41 ↗ see us doing something similar to what

1:15:43 ↗ we did years ago by adding more detail

1:15:45 ↗ to um theft. Um

1:15:50 ↗ in that report, we sort of originally

1:15:52 ↗ only reported on crime types and then we

1:15:55 ↗ sort of drilled down on theft,

1:15:56 ↗ especially when shoplifting was

1:15:57 ↗ particularly high. So I think the the

1:16:00 ↗ report can morph and grow as we have

1:16:03 ↗ more data, but if the call number is

1:16:05 ↗ zero, I think, you know, we'll see that

1:16:06 ↗ line. But if the call number rises above

1:16:09 ↗ zero, we'll we'll add um at least that

1:16:11 ↗ second um confirmed incident. Um I

1:16:16 ↗ believe we can do that.

1:16:18 ↗ >> Thank you for that. Um this is obviously

1:16:21 ↗ an incredibly charged issue and I'm from

1:16:24 ↗ Minneapolis. Uh so um you know I've seen

1:16:27 ↗ this issue uh you know tear at the

1:16:31 ↗ hearts of our communities. I but I think

1:16:33 ↗ that um this is a good you know we are a

1:16:36 ↗ datadriven city and our IPD is data

1:16:40 ↗ driven and so I think this is a a good

1:16:43 ↗ step to try to understand what's going

1:16:45 ↗ on in our community better um while

1:16:49 ↗ still uh

1:16:52 ↗ you know make in a difficult situation

1:16:55 ↗ um getting more data in a way that

1:16:57 ↗ doesn't hamper the IPD but uh allows a

1:17:00 ↗ community to understand better what's

1:17:02 ↗ happening is a is is a really smart move

1:17:04 ↗ going forward. Thank you,

1:17:07 ↗ >> Council Member Nichols.

1:17:09 ↗ >> Thank you. Uh I want to first speak to

1:17:10 ↗ the underlying business item and then

1:17:12 ↗ I'll speak to the motion itself. Um so I

1:17:15 ↗ want to start by thanking the chief uh

1:17:17 ↗ and the and the staff for the thoughtful

1:17:18 ↗ response to this uh new business

1:17:20 ↗ request. When I raised this uh back in

1:17:22 ↗ March um not that long ago either, so

1:17:25 ↗ this is a quick turnaround as well. I

1:17:27 ↗ wasn't really sure what was going to be

1:17:29 ↗ possible. Um, as was pointed out,

1:17:30 ↗ federal immigration enforcement is by

1:17:32 ↗ design a federal function, and the staff

1:17:34 ↗ report lays out clearly why the city

1:17:36 ↗ can't just pull those numbers from f

1:17:38 ↗ federal agencies. Um, so what I

1:17:40 ↗ appreciate here is that the staff got

1:17:42 ↗ creative uh creating a new CAD code,

1:17:44 ↗ which is not a a term I had ever heard

1:17:45 ↗ of before reading this. So, I appreciate

1:17:47 ↗ learning that as well, um, to capture

1:17:49 ↗ community reported activity and then

1:17:51 ↗ going also going back through the

1:17:53 ↗ existing ones to see what can be

1:17:54 ↗ recorded. um strikes me as a practical

1:17:57 ↗ solution uh to a problem that has

1:17:59 ↗ legitimate uh that has real

1:18:01 ↗ constitutional limits built into it. Um

1:18:04 ↗ and as we've seen I think tonight as

1:18:05 ↗ well this matters because residents are

1:18:07 ↗ asking us what's happening in their

1:18:08 ↗ community. Um and even when we can't

1:18:11 ↗ confirm this federal activity being able

1:18:13 ↗ to say here's what residents are

1:18:14 ↗ reporting and here is what our officers

1:18:16 ↗ are seeing when they respond is a good

1:18:18 ↗ step. Um so I'm pleased to see this

1:18:20 ↗ moving forward. Uh, and I want to thank

1:18:22 ↗ staff again. Um, specifically on Council

1:18:25 ↗ Member Walsh's motion, um, I will speak

1:18:27 ↗ to the support of that as well. Uh, I

1:18:29 ↗ think it clarifies the data in a useful

1:18:31 ↗ way. Uh, I'm glad to hear that it is

1:18:32 ↗ feasible from the perspective of staff.

1:18:34 ↗ Um, and of course with all of these

1:18:36 ↗ data, uh, we we are aware they are going

1:18:38 ↗ to be imperfect. Um, so we will know

1:18:40 ↗ that, respect that, and treat them

1:18:41 ↗ appropriately. But I think more data in

1:18:43 ↗ this area is always going to be useful.

1:18:45 ↗ So, I I appreciate um both the staff's

1:18:47 ↗ efforts to make this happen and I also

1:18:49 ↗ support council member Walsh's motion to

1:18:51 ↗ improve it further.

1:18:54 ↗ >> All right. Okay. Seeing no further

1:18:56 ↗ discussion, motion further council is to

1:18:58 ↗ direct the administration to collect

1:19:00 ↗ data related to the community reported

1:19:01 ↗ federal immigration enforcement activity

1:19:03 ↗ to the public public facing police

1:19:05 ↗ department monthly report including how

1:19:06 ↗ many federal immigration activities were

1:19:08 ↗ able to be confirmed. All those in

1:19:11 ↗ favor, please say I. I.

1:19:15 ↗ >> All those opposed? No. And that passes

1:19:18 ↗ unanimously. The next item of business

1:19:21 ↗ is an exciting one. It's regular

1:19:22 ↗ business to appoint the council vacancy

1:19:25 ↗ that was left when

1:19:28 ↗ previous council president Barbby

1:19:29 ↗ Michelle had to step down. And so the

1:19:32 ↗ April 7th special city council meeting,

1:19:34 ↗ the city council heard presentations

1:19:35 ↗ from eight applicants to the city

1:19:36 ↗ council position number three. Following

1:19:38 ↗ the presentations and deliberations, the

1:19:40 ↗ city council moved Donovan Richards and

1:19:41 ↗ Erica Boyd forward to the second round

1:19:42 ↗ of interviews which will occur tonight.

1:19:44 ↗ Tonight's meeting, the applicants will

1:19:45 ↗ be interviewed one at a time and asked

1:19:47 ↗ the same series of questions.

1:19:48 ↗ Applicants, we'd like to request that

1:19:50 ↗ you step into the side room off the

1:19:52 ↗ lobby that is your turn to be

1:19:53 ↗ interviewed so that you do not hear the

1:19:54 ↗ questions in advance. And once you

1:19:56 ↗ complete your interview, you're welcome

1:19:58 ↗ to stay in the room. After the

1:20:01 ↗ interviews, the city council will go on

1:20:02 ↗ an executive session, which is a close

1:20:03 ↗ session where they can discuss the

1:20:04 ↗ qualifications of the applicants. After

1:20:07 ↗ the close session, we will reopen the

1:20:09 ↗ public meeting. The city council is then

1:20:10 ↗ expected to vote to make the appointment

1:20:12 ↗ tonight. That person will then be sworn

1:20:13 ↗ in and take a seat at the dis. And I'd

1:20:16 ↗ like to ask the applicants to head into

1:20:19 ↗ the lobby now. I think Cassidy is back

1:20:22 ↗ there. Go to Cassidy.

1:20:34 ↗ Then council president, would you like

1:20:36 ↗ to discuss the questions or interview

1:20:37 ↗ timing with the city council before we

1:20:40 ↗ begin the interviews? Let's wait for

1:20:42 ↗ Cassidy to

1:20:46 ↗ close the doors.

1:20:49 ↗ They are now closed.

1:20:51 ↗ >> Thank you. So, uh, Deputy Council

1:20:53 ↗ President and I, uh, developed these

1:20:55 ↗ questions to, um, continue the spirit of

1:20:59 ↗ the previous set of questions without

1:21:00 ↗ having them be identical to the previous

1:21:02 ↗ set of questions to get some unique

1:21:04 ↗ answers, uh, out of folks. Um, and

1:21:07 ↗ worked through this a while back, but

1:21:08 ↗ are certainly open to if anybody uh,

1:21:11 ↗ feels any of these are head scratchers

1:21:12 ↗ or have any concerns about them, we we

1:21:15 ↗ have the opportunity uh, we have the

1:21:18 ↗ opportunity to change them right now.

1:21:23 ↗ I'm looking.

1:21:27 ↗ We don't see any objections. We're going

1:21:29 ↗ to go with the five questions as you

1:21:32 ↗ currently have them. The order, which

1:21:35 ↗ was drawn completely randomly, is going

1:21:37 ↗ to be Donovan Richards first, Erica

1:21:39 ↗ Boyd's second. And uh

1:21:43 ↗ >> can I also add there was a there was a

1:21:45 ↗ conversation about how many minutes we

1:21:47 ↗ wanted to offer and uh conversations

1:21:51 ↗ about going up or down or whatever. But

1:21:53 ↗ you know at the previous time we offered

1:21:55 ↗ 20 minutes. Every single candidate did

1:21:58 ↗ it all in much faster than 20 minutes.

1:22:00 ↗ Um so we felt we didn't want to move

1:22:02 ↗ that number even because we only had two

1:22:04 ↗ candidates um offer offer the same

1:22:06 ↗ number.

1:22:07 ↗ >> Okay. So 20 minutes. Council member

1:22:09 ↗ Walsh

1:22:10 ↗ >> up to

1:22:11 ↗ >> up to I like it.

1:22:12 ↗ >> Yes. Um how are we asking these

1:22:15 ↗ questions? Sometimes we've done a

1:22:16 ↗ roundroin. Sometimes it's just been

1:22:18 ↗ council president or mayor.

1:22:20 ↗ >> Just trying to determine.

1:22:21 ↗ >> I'm not asking any questions.

1:22:23 ↗ >> I'd be happy to just have a cycle

1:22:24 ↗ through.

1:22:25 ↗ >> I mean there's only there's two people

1:22:27 ↗ times five questions. So there's 10

1:22:28 ↗ questions. So

1:22:29 ↗ >> some people will get to that's fine. We

1:22:32 ↗ can we can start with our with

1:22:33 ↗ >> I was say what's the cycle because I

1:22:35 ↗ didn't do this before. The person who's

1:22:37 ↗ most recently been on the firing line, I

1:22:38 ↗ think, should probably start. Well, I

1:22:40 ↗ get

1:22:40 ↗ >> I have the first question.

1:22:44 ↗ >> Okay. And so,

1:22:47 ↗ Madam Clerk, are you grabbing Donovan

1:22:49 ↗ Richards?

1:22:51 ↗ Oh, extra security. I like it.

1:22:59 ↗ David Kappa, you're blocking

1:23:34 ↗ Are we are we having him go there or up

1:23:36 ↗ there?

1:23:38 ↗ Your call.

1:23:40 ↗ There.

1:23:43 ↗ Welcome, Donovan. We're going to have

1:23:44 ↗ you go up on this side.

1:23:53 ↗ I think your council is going to take

1:23:55 ↗ turns asking you five questions. Council

1:23:58 ↗ member Odair is going to go first. And

1:24:01 ↗ you're you've been allocated ample time.

1:24:04 ↗ So it's uh normally I think these have

1:24:07 ↗ taken roughly 10 or so minutes, but we

1:24:10 ↗ allocate more than that just in case uh

1:24:12 ↗ it goes longer. And we are going to

1:24:15 ↗ start council member

1:24:16 ↗ >> Adair. All right, I'm first. All right,

1:24:19 ↗ this question has kind of two parts to

1:24:21 ↗ it. So, I'm gonna ask the whole

1:24:22 ↗ question. So, which goal or objective in

1:24:25 ↗ the Isiqua strategic plan do you

1:24:27 ↗ consider most critical to the success of

1:24:29 ↗ the city and why? And how would you

1:24:32 ↗ address this goal or objective? And I

1:24:35 ↗ can repeat the question if you need to.

1:24:37 ↗ Could you repeat it just

1:24:40 ↗ >> which goal or objective in the Isiqua

1:24:42 ↗ strategic plan do you consider most

1:24:44 ↗ critical to the success of the city and

1:24:47 ↗ why and how would you address this goal

1:24:50 ↗ or objective?

1:24:51 ↗ >> Gotcha. Okay.

1:24:54 ↗ Yeah. So

1:24:56 ↗ in this strategic plan uh I would say

1:25:02 ↗ the goals and objectives that's around

1:25:05 ↗ housing as well as uh kind of the

1:25:09 ↗ diverse and equitable uh

1:25:13 ↗ services and and just having Isiqua be a

1:25:16 ↗ place that is for uh everyone uh would

1:25:20 ↗ be in my mind the most important uh

1:25:24 ↗ objective. Ive uh I truly believe that

1:25:28 ↗ uh you know the concept of de and I the

1:25:31 ↗ you know diversity equity and inclusion

1:25:33 ↗ uh is a you know in the business realm

1:25:37 ↗ the whole fact that it exists because it

1:25:39 ↗ gets to better outcomes from a business

1:25:40 ↗ perspective but I think the same applies

1:25:43 ↗ from a community perspective uh we can't

1:25:47 ↗ solve problems uh if we all have the

1:25:49 ↗ same background and same ideas uh and

1:25:53 ↗ being able to to have a welcoming place

1:25:56 ↗ where there is a diverse amount of

1:25:57 ↗ people that call this place home and

1:25:59 ↗ that want to be contributing to this

1:26:02 ↗ place. Uh and the local community life

1:26:05 ↗ that we have gives us the ability to uh

1:26:10 ↗ think outside of the box, have multiple

1:26:12 ↗ perspectives and find those solutions to

1:26:15 ↗ the problems that we all experience uh

1:26:18 ↗ that

1:26:20 ↗ uh we might otherwise not think about.

1:26:22 ↗ So um that would be the uh the goal or

1:26:26 ↗ objective. How do we go about doing

1:26:28 ↗ that? Uh well part of that requires

1:26:33 ↗ you know the affordability piece. Um you

1:26:35 ↗ know socioeconomic status is an

1:26:38 ↗ important element of diversity here and

1:26:41 ↗ if it's too expensive to live here uh

1:26:44 ↗ for a certain amount of people that are

1:26:46 ↗ uh wanting to be here uh then we don't

1:26:49 ↗ have that uh diverse perspective. I

1:26:52 ↗ think that also uh needs to be

1:26:55 ↗ represented in leadership uh that we

1:26:57 ↗ have voices that are in leadership that

1:26:59 ↗ could speak to those um

1:27:02 ↗ concerns and issues. Uh so you know any

1:27:06 ↗ considerations about uh you know

1:27:09 ↗ appointing people or leadership in the

1:27:11 ↗ city. I think that the uh diversity

1:27:13 ↗ component is a really important part of

1:27:15 ↗ that uh that I would want to be working

1:27:17 ↗ toward. And I think the third part about

1:27:20 ↗ this too is uh more on the messaging

1:27:23 ↗ side. There's a lot of good things that

1:27:26 ↗ are already happening in the city that

1:27:27 ↗ not necessarily everyone knows about. Uh

1:27:30 ↗ so being able to find ways to get that

1:27:32 ↗ message out when there are opportunities

1:27:35 ↗ for community- based conversations uh

1:27:38 ↗ and opportunities for uh community-

1:27:41 ↗ based um gettogethers and uh community

1:27:45 ↗ building. uh you know being able to tell

1:27:48 ↗ that story in a compelling way that gets

1:27:50 ↗ people excited to be going to Isiqua get

1:27:53 ↗ us more salmon days sort of a thing uh

1:27:55 ↗ is always a good thing. So that's at a

1:27:58 ↗ high level the first thoughts that uh

1:28:00 ↗ come to me on that.

1:28:02 ↗ >> Excellent. And now we're going to go to

1:28:04 ↗ Council Member Nichols. Question number

1:28:05 ↗ two.

1:28:07 ↗ >> Thank you. And uh I'm also happy to

1:28:09 ↗ repeat these questions or this question.

1:28:11 ↗ Um,

1:28:12 ↗ the community says that public safety is

1:28:15 ↗ important. What do you consider the

1:28:17 ↗ critical public safety challenges for

1:28:18 ↗ the city and how might you hope to

1:28:20 ↗ address them in your first term on

1:28:22 ↗ council?

1:28:24 ↗ >> Could you repeat it again? I'm just

1:28:25 ↗ writing it down.

1:28:26 ↗ >> Yep. Make sure I get it all.

1:28:28 ↗ >> The community says that public safety is

1:28:30 ↗ important.

1:28:32 ↗ What do you consider the critical public

1:28:34 ↗ safety challenges for the city and how

1:28:37 ↗ might you hope to address them in your

1:28:39 ↗ first term on council?

1:28:44 ↗ Okay.

1:28:48 ↗ I do want to use this question to give

1:28:51 ↗ you a little bit of a background uh

1:28:53 ↗ around how I tend to think about

1:28:56 ↗ complicated

1:28:57 ↗ uh you know multiaceted

1:29:00 ↗ questions like this because um you know

1:29:03 ↗ I do come from the consulting world uh

1:29:06 ↗ and uh there is a theory called

1:29:10 ↗ stakeholder theory that is in a business

1:29:12 ↗ sense when you make decisions you have

1:29:14 ↗ to account for all the stakeholders that

1:29:17 ↗ are impacted by this decision, not just

1:29:19 ↗ the shareholders, the ones that need to

1:29:21 ↗ make money. Uh, and I've been really

1:29:23 ↗ influenced by a British economist

1:29:27 ↗ actually who wrote a book called Donut

1:29:28 ↗ Economics. Uh, and it's been one of my

1:29:31 ↗ guiding uh, considerations when it comes

1:29:34 ↗ to how to make decisions where there's,

1:29:36 ↗ you know, complicated factors to this.

1:29:38 ↗ And the basic argument here is that you

1:29:41 ↗ need to run through any particular

1:29:43 ↗ consideration uh, with a couple of

1:29:46 ↗ lenses. uh one being what's the social

1:29:48 ↗ floor where if you go below that floor

1:29:51 ↗ then you're hurting people uh and that's

1:29:53 ↗ an absolute no um in any sort of

1:29:56 ↗ decision that I'd want to make or help

1:29:57 ↗ influence and make. The other is the

1:30:00 ↗ ecological ceiling and that goes to more

1:30:02 ↗ to resources. You know, if you cut down

1:30:04 ↗ our entire forest to build houses, you

1:30:06 ↗ no longer have forces and you've gone

1:30:08 ↗ above the ecological ceiling. So when

1:30:10 ↗ I'm thinking about decisions, I'm

1:30:12 ↗ thinking about that median, that middle

1:30:15 ↗ ground where we've reached and met the

1:30:17 ↗ basic needs, but we're not going too far

1:30:20 ↗ to the point where we're hurting uh the

1:30:23 ↗ natural resources or the community of

1:30:26 ↗ our city in any way. Uh beyond that, the

1:30:29 ↗ questions that I then need to ask are

1:30:30 ↗ around like equity and access. Who's

1:30:33 ↗ included in this? Who is this impacting?

1:30:35 ↗ Um I want to ask the flourishing test.

1:30:38 ↗ how is this helping us thrive, not just

1:30:41 ↗ survive. Um, and then there's an

1:30:43 ↗ accountability component to the

1:30:45 ↗ decision-m as well. How do we know uh

1:30:48 ↗ that what the decision that we made was

1:30:50 ↗ successful? So, when it comes to public

1:30:52 ↗ safety, you know, we've had a a big

1:30:54 ↗ discussion about that today when it

1:30:56 ↗ comes to the flock cameras. Um, you

1:30:59 ↗ know, I want to make those ex those

1:31:01 ↗ considerations. So, what's the social

1:31:03 ↗ floor? How do we are making sure that

1:31:05 ↗ we're meeting our basic needs? PI the

1:31:07 ↗ right to privacy is a basic need uh that

1:31:10 ↗ we all have and all need to uh be

1:31:12 ↗ considering. Uh so you know right there

1:31:16 ↗ uh that puts a really hard uh

1:31:20 ↗ question on whether or not to go forward

1:31:21 ↗ with flock cameras for example. But even

1:31:24 ↗ larger uh for any sort of public uh

1:31:28 ↗ safety considerations, how we are

1:31:31 ↗ deploying our police force and how we

1:31:33 ↗ want them to uh engage in our community,

1:31:37 ↗ are we making sure that those

1:31:38 ↗ engagements are are meeting the

1:31:41 ↗ community's basic needs and from an

1:31:42 ↗ equity and access standpoint are uh

1:31:45 ↗ consistent uh regardless of who is

1:31:48 ↗ engaging with public safety. Um I think

1:31:51 ↗ at a broader level um

1:31:54 ↗ I am more on the side of you know

1:31:57 ↗ there's two parts to public safety right

1:31:59 ↗ there's the um

1:32:03 ↗ the work required to

1:32:06 ↗ bring about justice. So the the policing

1:32:09 ↗ work that's done after the fact. Uh but

1:32:12 ↗ then there's also the work beforehand

1:32:14 ↗ before you know something becomes a

1:32:17 ↗ public threat. Um, and I think we tend

1:32:20 ↗ to to think more about, you know, adding

1:32:23 ↗ resources to the after the-act component

1:32:26 ↗ where I think the consideration needs to

1:32:28 ↗ be to the before component as well. Um,

1:32:31 ↗ and what ways could we continue to

1:32:32 ↗ invest in the programs required to uh

1:32:37 ↗ help people uh and help people in ways

1:32:40 ↗ that don't they don't then feel like

1:32:42 ↗ they need to be engaging in any of the

1:32:45 ↗ actions that might uh put them down on,

1:32:48 ↗ you know, in the categorization of of

1:32:50 ↗ being a part of the public safety threat

1:32:52 ↗ that we're talking about. Um, so in that

1:32:55 ↗ sense, you know, I would certainly be

1:32:57 ↗ against flock cameras. Uh, and I would

1:32:59 ↗ also be

1:33:01 ↗ trying to put forward considerations for

1:33:05 ↗ you know social programs and other

1:33:07 ↗ organizationalbased

1:33:09 ↗ um community- based uh opportunities

1:33:12 ↗ that can you know put people on the

1:33:15 ↗ right path before uh you know we have to

1:33:18 ↗ get to the justice component of policing

1:33:20 ↗ on the back half. Does that answer your

1:33:23 ↗ question council member Nichols?

1:33:25 ↗ Okay. And then the third question, just

1:33:28 ↗ a time check. We're at 9 minutes, so

1:33:30 ↗ there's 11 minutes left for the last

1:33:31 ↗ three questions. And uh, Council Member

1:33:34 ↗ Joe, I'll go faster.

1:33:35 ↗ >> Thank you. Given that you would be

1:33:37 ↗ appointed to council without having run

1:33:39 ↗ a campaign for a contested seat, how

1:33:42 ↗ would you go about learning what's

1:33:43 ↗ important to the Isiqua constituents?

1:33:47 ↗ >> Yeah. Um, great question. Uh, I am an

1:33:53 ↗ incredibly curious person. And I feel

1:33:55 ↗ like that's one of my uh superpowers. Uh

1:33:58 ↗ I'm not trying to toot my own horn or

1:34:00 ↗ anything like that, but um I'm always

1:34:02 ↗ reading a book. So, first and foremost,

1:34:05 ↗ if there's a book about it, I want to

1:34:06 ↗ read it. Um I think I've already read 30

1:34:09 ↗ books this year. Uh but I recognize that

1:34:12 ↗ not everything is in a book. So beyond

1:34:15 ↗ that, I think the second component to,

1:34:18 ↗ you know, getting up to speed is going

1:34:20 ↗ to be having conversations, grabbing

1:34:22 ↗ coffee with anyone and everyone that,

1:34:26 ↗ um, has a point of view, um, that I have

1:34:29 ↗ yet to experience. Uh, I love having

1:34:32 ↗ one-on-one conversations. I love asking

1:34:34 ↗ questions. I love hearing people's

1:34:37 ↗ stories. Uh, and I would want to do

1:34:38 ↗ that. And I think the third component to

1:34:40 ↗ that is firsthand experience. It is

1:34:44 ↗ going to the events. It's um being in

1:34:48 ↗ the community um and just being in the

1:34:50 ↗ space. Uh and there would be a

1:34:52 ↗ commitment to uh advancing and having

1:34:56 ↗ more opportunity to do that uh solo but

1:34:59 ↗ also with my family when we have family

1:35:01 ↗ based events that I can bring my kids

1:35:03 ↗ and uh my wife to as well. So that would

1:35:06 ↗ be my approach there.

1:35:08 ↗ Excellent. Council member Walsh.

1:35:10 ↗ >> Thank you. What do you see as the

1:35:12 ↗ biggest challenge facing Isiqua and how

1:35:15 ↗ would you propose addressing it?

1:35:17 ↗ >> Yeah. Uh the biggest challenge in my

1:35:20 ↗ mind is housing and affordability. Um

1:35:25 ↗ you know, I spoke a little bit last time

1:35:27 ↗ around about my friend who's, you know,

1:35:29 ↗ above the median income, who's uh unable

1:35:32 ↗ to

1:35:34 ↗ buy a house in Isiqua. Really wants to

1:35:36 ↗ but can't. Uh and just the thought again

1:35:38 ↗ if we go back to you know community for

1:35:42 ↗ all people uh if you know more than half

1:35:45 ↗ of the King County can't afford to live

1:35:47 ↗ here um then that needs to be considered

1:35:51 ↗ uh how we can make that more accessible

1:35:53 ↗ for more people. Um so what do we do

1:35:56 ↗ from a housing standpoint? Um I'm

1:35:58 ↗ mindful that you know there are some you

1:36:00 ↗ know big picture ideas that would cost a

1:36:03 ↗ lot of money and that would take a lot

1:36:04 ↗ of time. uh and you know might be harder

1:36:07 ↗ to do but there also might be some

1:36:08 ↗ easier and quicker wins that we can do

1:36:11 ↗ as well. So, um I think in my mind, one

1:36:14 ↗ thing is to be thinking about in what

1:36:16 ↗ ways can we make those quick winds

1:36:18 ↗ easier and what ways can we um reduce

1:36:21 ↗ like permitting friction um for you know

1:36:25 ↗ additional like accessory dwelling units

1:36:27 ↗ within current house housing. um you

1:36:30 ↗ know, thinking through in what ways we

1:36:32 ↗ can um

1:36:36 ↗ think through our zoning and see if

1:36:37 ↗ there's ways to include some teeth in

1:36:40 ↗ the zoning to make sure that when uh

1:36:44 ↗ housing is being built that's it's being

1:36:46 ↗ built across um all income levels so

1:36:49 ↗ that there is accessibility across the

1:36:51 ↗ board and doing some of the work when we

1:36:54 ↗ think about the uh you know my donut

1:36:56 ↗ economics thing here and my decision

1:36:58 ↗ lenses thinking about like how to

1:36:59 ↗ measure that and how to make sure that

1:37:01 ↗ you know for the uh King County

1:37:05 ↗ averages, you know, are we making sure

1:37:07 ↗ that we have accessible housing across

1:37:09 ↗ the board there? Um I think some of the

1:37:11 ↗ bigger ideas that take a lot more work

1:37:13 ↗ and a lot more thing out there. I'm

1:37:15 ↗ really interested in like the concept of

1:37:16 ↗ a community land trust model where uh

1:37:20 ↗ you kind of divorce the cost of the land

1:37:22 ↗ from the cost of the house to make that

1:37:24 ↗ a bit more affordable for people. Um but

1:37:27 ↗ yes uh those are just some options but

1:37:29 ↗ largely that's the the critical

1:37:31 ↗ challenge that I see is making sure that

1:37:34 ↗ uh the people who want to live here uh

1:37:36 ↗ can live here uh because again that'll

1:37:38 ↗ help us all from a flourish flourishing

1:37:42 ↗ community standpoint.

1:37:43 ↗ >> All right. Excellent. And Deputy

1:37:45 ↗ President Jen last question.

1:37:47 ↗ >> Great. Last question. Um if appointed to

1:37:49 ↗ the Isiqua City Council, what would you

1:37:52 ↗ uniquely bring to the council that would

1:37:53 ↗ make us better?

1:37:55 ↗ Yeah. Uh, good question. So, I come from

1:38:00 ↗ the consulting world.

1:38:02 ↗ Uh, and I do want to note that one of

1:38:04 ↗ the things about coming from the

1:38:06 ↗ consulting world is that I had to put I

1:38:09 ↗ had to take a new project every couple

1:38:11 ↗ of weeks. We had quick burn projects

1:38:13 ↗ where I had to jump around from topic to

1:38:16 ↗ topic and I had to get up to speed fast.

1:38:19 ↗ Um, I'm mindful that serving on council

1:38:23 ↗ means that you have to jump around a lot

1:38:26 ↗ across different topics that apply to

1:38:28 ↗ the city and it takes a lot of work to,

1:38:31 ↗ you know, know just enough to be

1:38:33 ↗ dangerous across the board. Uh, and as a

1:38:36 ↗ consultant, I had to do that every day

1:38:39 ↗ jumping around from different clients,

1:38:41 ↗ different technologies, different uh,

1:38:44 ↗ service models etc. Um I think the other

1:38:47 ↗ element uh that I can bring to the table

1:38:49 ↗ here um is my background my educational

1:38:52 ↗ background. Uh I my background in

1:38:56 ↗ philosophy teaching adjunct and business

1:38:58 ↗ ethics. It's given me a chance to kind

1:39:00 ↗ of pursue questions from all angles. Uh

1:39:04 ↗ recognizing that there's always a push

1:39:06 ↗ and pull. Uh that you can't give

1:39:09 ↗ everyone a win at all times. But that's

1:39:12 ↗ why I want to consider you know the

1:39:14 ↗ donut economic that kind of safe and

1:39:16 ↗ just equilibrium where any decision that

1:39:20 ↗ I make uh not only you know takes us

1:39:22 ↗ above the social floor but also doesn't

1:39:25 ↗ push us beyond the ecological ceiling uh

1:39:28 ↗ where we're in that safe and just space.

1:39:31 ↗ Um and yeah I mean I fully buy in to the

1:39:36 ↗ strategic uh plan that city of Isiqua

1:39:39 ↗ has uh and I'd love to serve with you.

1:39:41 ↗ um if at all possible and I appreciate

1:39:44 ↗ your time and just thank you. I'm here.

1:39:47 ↗ >> Excellent. Very well done. And I will

1:39:49 ↗ say I'm I finished my last book over the

1:39:52 ↗ weekend. So what's your favorite of the

1:39:54 ↗ 30 books you read this year?

1:39:55 ↗ >> Great question. Um

1:39:59 ↗ I've been So I read The Grapes of Wrath

1:40:02 ↗ finally. I hadn't read that one yet, so

1:40:04 ↗ that was really good. Um and then uh The

1:40:07 ↗ Ecology of Freedom by a philosopher. Um,

1:40:10 ↗ I'd have to go look up his name again,

1:40:11 ↗ but that was really interesting point of

1:40:13 ↗ view in terms of community- based

1:40:16 ↗ interdependence and trying to recognize

1:40:18 ↗ the fact that like we need each other

1:40:20 ↗ and to be free doesn't mean to be

1:40:22 ↗ separated from people, but it means to

1:40:25 ↗ to bring what you have to the table and

1:40:27 ↗ to be able to encourage each other

1:40:29 ↗ toward the common goal that you might

1:40:31 ↗ all have. So, that was a really good

1:40:32 ↗ book.

1:40:33 ↗ >> Oh, excellent. Okay, you do not have to

1:40:35 ↗ go back in the other room. You can hang

1:40:37 ↗ out here and we will have the city

1:40:41 ↗ clerk. Do we have some sort of bat

1:40:43 ↗ signal? The bat signal is you just walk

1:40:44 ↗ back to the room. Oh, wait.

1:40:46 ↗ >> Thank you so much, everyone.

1:40:47 ↗ >> Thank you, Don.

1:41:40 ↗ Okay, Erica, the way it works, you will

1:41:43 ↗ get five questions. We're going to start

1:41:45 ↗ with Council Member Nichols and with

1:41:47 ↗ Council President Martz. And the total

1:41:50 ↗ time is 20 minutes. Like I said, not

1:41:52 ↗ required to go the full 20, but you do

1:41:54 ↗ have that option. And uh and with that,

1:41:57 ↗ let's start with Council Member Nichols.

1:42:11 ↗ Oh, we're going the Okay, switching

1:42:13 ↗ direction. We're going to end with Kevin

1:42:15 ↗ and start with Council President Marts

1:42:17 ↗ would have been the same five. Kevin

1:42:19 ↗ Russell.

1:42:24 ↗ >> Oh,

1:42:26 ↗ >> oh, okay.

1:42:27 ↗ >> Sorry, I wasn't sorry. I wasn't clear

1:42:29 ↗ when we discussed it.

1:42:31 ↗ >> Council President Martz, you get

1:42:32 ↗ question number one. So then Deputy

1:42:35 ↗ President Jen gets Okay, I get I'm

1:42:37 ↗ tracking. I'm tracking.

1:42:39 ↗ >> Or we could just go with the same five

1:42:41 ↗ people. Let's let's just go with the

1:42:42 ↗ same five people asking the same five

1:42:44 ↗ questions to get continuity uh as much

1:42:47 ↗ as before since otherwise I think it's a

1:42:49 ↗ little confusing. If that's okay with

1:42:50 ↗ you, Mr. Eric, don't worry. We're not

1:42:52 ↗ charging you time for this conversation.

1:42:54 ↗ >> Is that okay with Is that okay with you,

1:42:55 ↗ Mr. Man? Rather than try to figure it

1:42:58 ↗ out right now. Thank you.

1:43:00 ↗ >> Okay, council member

1:43:01 ↗ >> Dair then I'm first. All right, here we

1:43:03 ↗ go. All right. This uh question is two

1:43:05 ↗ parts so and I can repeat it as needed.

1:43:07 ↗ Okay.

1:43:08 ↗ >> Which goal or objective in the Isiqua

1:43:10 ↗ strategic plan do you consider most

1:43:13 ↗ critical to the success of the city and

1:43:15 ↗ why? And the second part, how would you

1:43:18 ↗ address this goal or objective?

1:43:35 ↗ Thank you for your patience with me. Can

1:43:37 ↗ you all hear me? Awesome. Um sometimes

1:43:39 ↗ if I write things down, I'll hold it in

1:43:41 ↗ my brain a little. Um as I think through

1:43:43 ↗ it, I'll um lose the question

1:43:44 ↗ potentially. So um uh of we have a

1:43:49 ↗ really well-built strategic plan and I

1:43:51 ↗ know a lot of that is because of how uh

1:43:54 ↗ community informed it is. Um for me uh

1:43:58 ↗ I'm

1:44:00 ↗ gravitating most towards socioeconomic

1:44:03 ↗ vitality. I really think that is such a

1:44:07 ↗ good measure uh and pulse across

1:44:13 ↗ the entire city. It has multiple touch

1:44:15 ↗ points on things like uh

1:44:20 ↗ how well our businesses are doing and

1:44:22 ↗ the jobs that are anchored here to

1:44:25 ↗ housing

1:44:27 ↗ um and to human services which for me uh

1:44:32 ↗ will be a big priority of mine should I

1:44:34 ↗ be appointed to this vacancy. And so

1:44:40 ↗ to

1:44:42 ↗ second question was how would I address

1:44:43 ↗ it? Um

1:44:46 ↗ I think housing really is an anchor of

1:44:50 ↗ socioeconomic vitality. When you have

1:44:53 ↗ enough housing uh that's built, it can

1:44:56 ↗ help address so many other uh

1:45:01 ↗ issues that the city uh is looking to

1:45:04 ↗ resolve. Um, but I know housing is a

1:45:06 ↗ really big one and

1:45:10 ↗ I might not be able to share specifics

1:45:12 ↗ right at this moment, but uh it's

1:45:23 ↗ it's something we've heard again and

1:45:25 ↗ again from our community that needs to

1:45:27 ↗ be addressed. Uh the city I know has

1:45:30 ↗ looked at uh

1:45:33 ↗ this issue multiple ways and multiple

1:45:36 ↗ times. We've identified the place uh

1:45:40 ↗ where we would like to build up within

1:45:42 ↗ the uh central escrow regional growth

1:45:44 ↗ area and yet

1:45:47 ↗ we don't have development there. So um

1:45:52 ↗ I think the biggest lever we can pull to

1:45:56 ↗ boost our socioeconomic vitality is

1:45:59 ↗ building and I don't want to leave any

1:46:01 ↗ stone unturned and trying to solve that.

1:46:06 ↗ >> Okay. Excellent. Council Nichols.

1:46:10 ↗ >> Thank you. Um the community says that

1:46:14 ↗ public safety is important.

1:46:18 ↗ What do you consider the critical public

1:46:21 ↗ safety challenges for the city and how

1:46:25 ↗ might you hope to address them in your

1:46:27 ↗ first term on council?

1:46:29 ↗ And I'm happy to repeat that if it's

1:46:31 ↗ helpful.

1:46:35 ↗ >> So, what do I consider um within public

1:46:39 ↗ safety um the critical challenges? How

1:46:42 ↗ would I address that?

1:46:44 ↗ Uh when I was reviewing

1:46:48 ↗ different documents in preparation for

1:46:51 ↗ this, I noticed that uh within the Isqua

1:46:54 ↗ community survey, um

1:46:58 ↗ public safety really gets high marks and

1:47:02 ↗ I know regionally postco

1:47:06 ↗ crime trends are going down depending on

1:47:08 ↗ what kind it is. Uh, I know that from

1:47:12 ↗ the community survey, we are

1:47:14 ↗ consistently ranked as safe and so

1:47:20 ↗ I need to think a little more about how

1:47:22 ↗ I would specifically address it. But I

1:47:24 ↗ know

1:47:26 ↗ for certain what I would do is

1:47:32 ↗ what I can to maintain the level of

1:47:34 ↗ safety that uh get such high marks in

1:47:39 ↗ our feedback from the community.

1:47:43 ↗ I'm also very conscious uh I shared my

1:47:46 ↗ story uh in my earlier presentation a

1:47:49 ↗ couple weeks ago. Um, my mom is uh in

1:47:53 ↗ law enforcement. She has been since I

1:47:55 ↗ was a very small child and I'm very

1:47:56 ↗ proud of her career. I grew up actually

1:47:59 ↗ playing with a box of toys uh on the

1:48:02 ↗ department floor while she would finish

1:48:03 ↗ up her reports. And if it's any

1:48:05 ↗ indication of my age, one of the toys

1:48:06 ↗ included a slinky and a couch ball. But

1:48:09 ↗ um

1:48:11 ↗ police technology has come so far since

1:48:16 ↗ my mom started her career. She was

1:48:18 ↗ writing paper tickets when I was a kid.

1:48:20 ↗ Uh,

1:48:22 ↗ and

1:48:27 ↗ I'm I'm

1:48:31 ↗ as we review technology, I want to make

1:48:35 ↗ sure that

1:48:37 ↗ safety

1:48:39 ↗ I want to take a good hard look and

1:48:41 ↗ listen to the community about who feels

1:48:45 ↗ safe because I know that safety means

1:48:48 ↗ different things for different people.

1:48:52 ↗ And so my first step in addressing um

1:48:58 ↗ should I be appointed

1:49:01 ↗ uh it's to do some some deeper listening

1:49:04 ↗ and dig into the data and per my public

1:49:08 ↗ administration background look at what

1:49:10 ↗ problem we're trying to solve. Um,

1:49:14 ↗ I'll look into what aspects of public

1:49:16 ↗ safety are we maybe not getting uh such

1:49:19 ↗ high marks on in our feedback from the

1:49:21 ↗ community, but I know overall

1:49:26 ↗ we do a pretty good job and so I don't

1:49:28 ↗ want to do anything to dismantle that.

1:49:32 ↗ >> Excellent. Council Joe,

1:49:34 ↗ >> given that you would be appointed to

1:49:36 ↗ council without having run a campaign

1:49:37 ↗ for a contested seat, how would you go

1:49:40 ↗ about learning what's important to

1:49:42 ↗ Isiqua constituents?

1:49:49 ↗ >> Thank you for the question. Um,

1:49:52 ↗ I am very cognizant that um I would not

1:49:56 ↗ have uh doornocking opportunities uh

1:50:00 ↗ until I so choose. Um, I won't leave

1:50:02 ↗ that um um unattended potentially. Uh

1:50:06 ↗ just cuz I'm not running doesn't mean

1:50:08 ↗ that I can't go and talk to my

1:50:09 ↗ neighbors. Um I know it's a little

1:50:10 ↗ unique, but uh but I really believe in

1:50:14 ↗ meeting the community where they're at.

1:50:15 ↗ And I know that this works from my work

1:50:18 ↗ uh at um within my professional job. We

1:50:22 ↗ put together I helped support uh the

1:50:24 ↗ building of the state's first uh

1:50:28 ↗ perinatal 325 youth behavioral health

1:50:30 ↗ strategic plan getting multiple state

1:50:32 ↗ agencies all rowing in the same

1:50:33 ↗ direction to address uh something that's

1:50:35 ↗ been identified as a really high need uh

1:50:37 ↗ within our state and I know it is here

1:50:39 ↗ in this community as well but um

1:50:42 ↗ I we were most successful especially in

1:50:46 ↗ getting the voices from

1:50:50 ↗ the exact demographics that the plan was

1:50:52 ↗ hoping to address youth when we went to

1:50:56 ↗ the places they were at like different

1:50:58 ↗ fairs um plugging into different

1:51:01 ↗ committees they were already

1:51:03 ↗ um attending or uh youth events, mental

1:51:08 ↗ health fairs. And so for me

1:51:11 ↗ with the consent and the permission of

1:51:14 ↗ the community, I would be attending

1:51:16 ↗ things like that. um like um whether

1:51:19 ↗ it's

1:51:21 ↗ the Latino Circle or uh I'm already a

1:51:25 ↗ avid uh lover of our farmers market and

1:51:28 ↗ I know that uh city council members have

1:51:31 ↗ posted up there before um to talk to the

1:51:34 ↗ community um and

1:51:38 ↗ uh would continue to um just keep my ear

1:51:41 ↗ to the ground as best as I can and uh I

1:51:46 ↗ know beyond knocking on doors and things

1:51:50 ↗ just looking at the community feedback

1:51:52 ↗ portions of all of the plans we have um

1:51:55 ↗ the community survey that we do each

1:51:58 ↗ year and uh

1:52:03 ↗ as well as we get good feedback from our

1:52:06 ↗ boards and commissions. I know when I

1:52:07 ↗ I've been on TAB for a few years now,

1:52:10 ↗ currently the chair and um we've had

1:52:13 ↗ city council members just come in and

1:52:15 ↗ listen um you know and it's always

1:52:17 ↗ really great um being on those boards

1:52:19 ↗ and having that acknowledgement and just

1:52:22 ↗ uh being able to

1:52:25 ↗ um

1:52:26 ↗ I think council members can get a

1:52:29 ↗ different perspective when they attend

1:52:30 ↗ those. and um

1:52:34 ↗ I would commit to doing that as much as

1:52:37 ↗ I can.

1:52:40 ↗ >> Excellent. Council Walsh,

1:52:42 ↗ >> thank you. Um what do you see as the

1:52:45 ↗ biggest challenge

1:52:47 ↗ facing Isiqua and how would you propose

1:52:50 ↗ addressing it?

1:52:57 ↗ Um I touched on this earlier but uh for

1:53:01 ↗ certain I think housing I think we have

1:53:03 ↗ we have an identified area that we want

1:53:07 ↗ uh to build in and yet we're having some

1:53:11 ↗ difficulty. So um I'm encouraged by uh

1:53:16 ↗ the earlier council retreat that

1:53:18 ↗ happened this year. um just the

1:53:21 ↗ enthusiasm to

1:53:24 ↗ come at this from

1:53:26 ↗ different angles uh and take into

1:53:29 ↗ account that so much work has already

1:53:32 ↗ been done um

1:53:35 ↗ various reports uh I'm really encouraged

1:53:38 ↗ by I think it's the R refellis report

1:53:41 ↗ that identified um ways to make the

1:53:44 ↗ permitting process easier more

1:53:47 ↗ streamlined Um, I know other cities have

1:53:50 ↗ had success with that, too. And, uh, I

1:53:52 ↗ would do what I could to make sure we

1:53:56 ↗ keep that great pace that we're, uh, I

1:53:58 ↗ think really finding now. Um, and my

1:54:01 ↗ kudos goes out to the city staff with

1:54:03 ↗ that.

1:54:04 ↗ Um,

1:54:13 ↗ I'd be focused on what's within this our

1:54:16 ↗ the city's control to incentivize

1:54:18 ↗ development. Um especially for workforce

1:54:22 ↗ housing

1:54:24 ↗ uh

1:54:26 ↗ which can also address a lot of other

1:54:30 ↗ if your workforce is able to live where

1:54:32 ↗ they work that can address things like

1:54:34 ↗ congestion

1:54:36 ↗ um which I know is another big challenge

1:54:39 ↗ uh for the city that I've definitely

1:54:41 ↗ heard as on my time on tab

1:54:46 ↗ and

1:54:48 ↗ Uh, I'm curious what more the city can

1:54:53 ↗ do, how we can look into um our code

1:54:57 ↗ provisions to increase the diversity of

1:54:59 ↗ our housing types. Uh, in my

1:55:03 ↗ last presentation to the city, I um

1:55:08 ↗ mentioned wanting to build more housing,

1:55:10 ↗ but build housing that's easier for

1:55:15 ↗ folks to connect to their neighbors. And

1:55:17 ↗ um I know that uh the financial

1:55:20 ↗ feasibility of cottage housing,

1:55:21 ↗ courtyard apartments in different zones,

1:55:24 ↗ we might have to pull some other levers

1:55:26 ↗ like parking um in order to make that a

1:55:29 ↗ reality. And I certainly don't want uh

1:55:32 ↗ the perfect to get in the way of the

1:55:34 ↗ good. But I know that

1:55:39 ↗ I think we can do both. I think we can

1:55:41 ↗ densify and build housing and make it

1:55:44 ↗ really enjoyable to live in.

1:55:48 ↗ >> Excellent. And the last question, Deputy

1:55:50 ↗ President Jen.

1:55:51 ↗ >> Great. Last question. Um, if appointed

1:55:54 ↗ to the Isiqua City Council, what would

1:55:56 ↗ you uniquely bring to the council that

1:55:58 ↗ would make us better?

1:56:03 ↗ >> Thank you for the question and thank you

1:56:06 ↗ for allowing me to partake in this

1:56:08 ↗ process. It's really been an honor.

1:56:11 ↗ I have a uh unique set of skills from my

1:56:16 ↗ professional experience um working as a

1:56:19 ↗ legislative assistant. Uh I hear from

1:56:22 ↗ folks daily about um what they think is

1:56:25 ↗ working for them from government um what

1:56:28 ↗ they like to see more of. You typically

1:56:30 ↗ don't hear a lot about uh what they

1:56:33 ↗ think is working really well. I am

1:56:35 ↗ cognizant of that. Um,

1:56:38 ↗ oftentimes no news is good news. And I'm

1:56:40 ↗ guilty of this myself. I I remember uh

1:56:42 ↗ driving over a filledin pothole in my

1:56:45 ↗ road and thinking, "Ah, this is great.

1:56:47 ↗ I'm so happy the city fixed this." And

1:56:49 ↗ of course, I didn't say anything. So,

1:56:51 ↗ that's why I made to practice some more

1:56:52 ↗ gratitude there and put my money where

1:56:54 ↗ my mouth is. that um I

1:57:00 ↗ bring with me deep listening skills.

1:57:03 ↗ When I interact with constituents,

1:57:07 ↗ members of the public, it's my goal to

1:57:10 ↗ make sure that even if we disagree on an

1:57:13 ↗ issue or what the issue even is or how

1:57:16 ↗ to address it, I want that person to

1:57:19 ↗ leave the conversation at least feeling

1:57:22 ↗ heard and ideally that they had a

1:57:25 ↗ positive interaction with their

1:57:27 ↗ government.

1:57:29 ↗ um especially in the age of automation

1:57:31 ↗ or chat bots, they heard a real human

1:57:33 ↗ listen to their concerns and I bring

1:57:35 ↗ that same spirit and ethos to any any

1:57:39 ↗ work on the council.

1:57:42 ↗ As I mentioned earlier, I have lived

1:57:44 ↗ experience um with both my career and my

1:57:47 ↗ personal live experience of um

1:57:52 ↗ benefiting from government services

1:57:54 ↗ being on the women infants and children

1:57:57 ↗ program as an infant um which helped me

1:58:01 ↗ grow. I've seen the benefit that

1:58:05 ↗ government can have. Um,

1:58:09 ↗ and

1:58:14 ↗ I also

1:58:18 ↗ relating to the human services realm,

1:58:24 ↗ I want to do as much as I can to address

1:58:27 ↗ um, get folks pointed in the right

1:58:30 ↗ direction, whether it's behavioral

1:58:32 ↗ health, clothing. We know there's gaps

1:58:35 ↗ um identified within the human services

1:58:38 ↗ plan. Um

1:58:41 ↗ I'd mentioned earlier in my presentation

1:58:43 ↗ a couple weeks ago that there's truly no

1:58:45 ↗ greater joy than be able being able to

1:58:47 ↗ be that conduit and connect someone with

1:58:50 ↗ what they're seeking or what they need

1:58:51 ↗ or at least point them in the right

1:58:53 ↗ direction. And um I'd be looking for

1:58:58 ↗ those glimmers and

1:59:00 ↗ being able to create hope on the horizon

1:59:04 ↗ in my time on council.

1:59:07 ↗ I know what it's like to be able to have

1:59:10 ↗ um access to behavioral health resources

1:59:15 ↗ and have a supportive community.

1:59:19 ↗ I know there's folks out in Isiqua that

1:59:21 ↗ are seeking that. Um we've got great

1:59:25 ↗ city staff and resources that um already

1:59:28 ↗ point them in the right direction and

1:59:30 ↗ wrap them around them with support that

1:59:33 ↗ we can offer and to the best of my

1:59:36 ↗ ability.

1:59:39 ↗ I want to keep my foot on the gas with

1:59:42 ↗ that.

1:59:44 ↗ >> All right. Excellent. Thank you very

1:59:45 ↗ much. And both Erica and Donovan, you

1:59:48 ↗ guys did excellent.

1:59:50 ↗ We are now going to go in executive

1:59:52 ↗ session. Qualifications appointment for

1:59:54 ↗ RCW42.30.110

1:59:57 ↗ parentheses one parentheses small age.

1:59:59 ↗ Council will now go on executive

2:00:00 ↗ session. The close session is expected

2:00:01 ↗ to take approximately 15 minutes. It may

2:00:03 ↗ be extended. If the time is extended,

2:00:05 ↗ the clerk will come down and make an

2:00:06 ↗ announcement. The city council is

2:00:08 ↗ planning to act after the close session

2:00:09 ↗ as part of the open meeting to make an

2:00:11 ↗ appointment. Executive sessions are

2:00:13 ↗ closed to the public. Council members,

2:00:14 ↗ the executive session will be held

2:00:16 ↗ upstairs. We will now go into executive

2:00:19 ↗ session at 9:00 and the session will

2:00:21 ↗ officially start in 5 or 10 minutes

2:00:25 ↗ somewhere in between there whenever

2:00:27 ↗ everyone's ready. And uh with that we

2:00:30 ↗ are now in executive session.

2:00:44 ↗ Okay.

2:00:51 ↗ Yep.

2:09:06 ↗ Yeah, it is

2:14:00 ↗ I know.

2:14:22 ↗ Happy

2:14:27 ↗ 48 hours.

2:15:11 ↗ So crazy.

2:16:05 ↗ That's not going to work.

2:17:05 ↗ Why are you not

2:17:57 ↗ Wow.

2:18:00 ↗ No idea.

2:18:54 ↗ And then I was

2:19:39 ↗ That night,

2:20:51 ↗ philosophy

2:21:19 ↗ of the world.

2:21:21 ↗ Where did the other

2:22:00 ↗ Arseny, you're like ahead of us here. I

2:22:02 ↗ like it. The red light is

2:22:07 ↗ ready.

2:22:10 ↗ Okay,

2:22:12 ↗ we are back in open session at 9:22

2:22:16 ↗ p.m. At this point, the city council can

2:22:18 ↗ nominate individuals to the appointment.

2:22:20 ↗ Are there any comments before the

2:22:21 ↗ nominations are made?

2:22:25 ↗ >> Council President Mart. So, this is

2:22:28 ↗ probably a broken record at this point,

2:22:29 ↗ but uh you know, I will say that uh this

2:22:33 ↗ is uh always a tough decision and uh you

2:22:37 ↗ know, we we got down to a a smaller

2:22:39 ↗ finalist pool this time than previous

2:22:41 ↗ times. Uh so in some senses that

2:22:44 ↗ ratchets the pressure up a little bit,

2:22:46 ↗ but um you know look at the hallowed

2:22:49 ↗ list of people who had not gotten

2:22:50 ↗ appointed to city council in the past

2:22:52 ↗ and seen so many of them that went on to

2:22:54 ↗ great things like Bill Ramos uh and Mary

2:22:56 ↗ Lupali. So uh this is but one chapter in

2:23:01 ↗ uh an ongoing conversation and an

2:23:03 ↗ ongoing uh relationship with the city.

2:23:05 ↗ Thank you.

2:23:09 ↗ >> All right. Okay. So, are you ready to

2:23:13 ↗ make nominations? As a reminder,

2:23:14 ↗ nominees need to be made by one council

2:23:16 ↗ member and seconded by another council

2:23:18 ↗ member Joe.

2:23:20 ↗ >> Mayor Mola, thank you. Um, I would like

2:23:24 ↗ to nominate Erica Boyd to fill our

2:23:26 ↗ council vacancy for position number two.

2:23:32 ↗ Council

2:23:32 ↗ >> Walsh.

2:23:33 ↗ >> Second.

2:23:34 ↗ >> Okay. There's been a nomination and a

2:23:36 ↗ second. Is there any discussion? Council

2:23:39 ↗ member Joe,

2:23:40 ↗ >> I want to thank both candidates for

2:23:42 ↗ going through this process. Um, as a

2:23:46 ↗ former attorney, I know how hard it is

2:23:48 ↗ to get up to that dis and to put your

2:23:52 ↗ life out there for all the world to see

2:23:54 ↗ and for people to scrutinize your

2:23:57 ↗ answers or things you might not say. Um,

2:24:01 ↗ but I think that in this particular

2:24:03 ↗ case, we have a a need that we need to

2:24:06 ↗ fill, which is uh a person that can uh

2:24:11 ↗ fill a void that Barb D Michelle left us

2:24:13 ↗ when we have um

2:24:16 ↗ the need to have a person that's a keyed

2:24:19 ↗ into community service and our nonprofit

2:24:22 ↗ community and communicating with those

2:24:25 ↗ that are less fortunate in our community

2:24:27 ↗ in a way that lifts them up and uh will

2:24:31 ↗ help us be a stronger council overall as

2:24:33 ↗ we are more um sensitive to uh the needs

2:24:38 ↗ of our community along the way. I think

2:24:40 ↗ Erica fills that need. That's not to say

2:24:42 ↗ that other candidates uh in the future

2:24:44 ↗ might not uh be eligible or want to come

2:24:48 ↗ forward either in a process where

2:24:51 ↗ there's a selection or an election in

2:24:53 ↗ the future uh as well. But, uh, I fully,

2:24:56 ↗ uh, support Erica's, uh, nomination and,

2:25:00 ↗ uh, look forward to voting yes for her

2:25:02 ↗ this evening.

2:25:06 ↗ All right. Not seeing any other

2:25:09 ↗ discussion. Are there any other

2:25:10 ↗ nominations?

2:25:12 ↗ Okay. So, the first nominee is Erica

2:25:14 ↗ Boyd. There's no further discussion. All

2:25:16 ↗ those in favor of reporting Erica Boyd

2:25:18 ↗ to council position number three, please

2:25:19 ↗ signify by saying I.

2:25:22 ↗ Please signify by saying I. and raising

2:25:25 ↗ your hand. I

2:25:31 ↗ >> by unanimous vote, Erica Boyd is now

2:25:34 ↗ appointed to is city council position

2:25:37 ↗ number three. Congratulations. Uh

2:25:48 ↗ we're going to do the oath of office

2:25:50 ↗ next. But I will say, Donovan, I think

2:25:52 ↗ Council Member Joe pointed out at the

2:25:54 ↗ farmers markets, two people we'd always

2:25:56 ↗ see there very early on were you and

2:25:58 ↗ Erica. So you guys may not have realized

2:26:00 ↗ it, but your paths have been crossing, I

2:26:02 ↗ guess, at farmers market Saturdays for

2:26:04 ↗ quite a while. And we really appreciate

2:26:06 ↗ you putting yourself out there for this

2:26:08 ↗ process. You did an excellent job as

2:26:11 ↗ well. And Erica, I'm going to meet you

2:26:13 ↗ up front for the oath of office.

2:26:34 ↗ So, yes, you got to raise your right

2:26:36 ↗ hand. You know the drill. That's good.

2:26:40 ↗ >> I state your name.

2:26:41 ↗ >> I, Eric Boy.

2:26:43 ↗ >> Having been duly appointed to Is City of

2:26:45 ↗ Isiqua Council position number three.

2:26:46 ↗ having the duty of the city,

2:26:50 ↗ >> do solemnly swear

2:26:51 ↗ >> domly swear

2:26:52 ↗ >> that I will faithfully and impartially

2:26:54 ↗ >> That I will faithfully and

2:26:56 ↗ >> discharge the duties of this office

2:26:58 ↗ >> discharge the duties of this office

2:26:59 ↗ >> according to the law

2:27:01 ↗ >> according to the law

2:27:02 ↗ >> and to the best of my ability

2:27:03 ↗ >> to the best of my ability

2:27:04 ↗ >> that I will support

2:27:05 ↗ >> that I will support

2:27:06 ↗ >> the Constitution of the United States

2:27:08 ↗ >> the constitution of the United States

2:27:09 ↗ >> and the Constitution and laws of the

2:27:11 ↗ state of Washington

2:27:12 ↗ >> and the Constitution laws of the state

2:27:13 ↗ of Washington

2:27:14 ↗ >> and all local ordinances and all.

2:27:18 ↗ >> All right. Congratulations.

2:27:36 ↗ Oh, got it.

2:27:47 ↗ Let's do the photo. We'll do the photo

2:27:48 ↗ first.

2:27:54 ↗ >> Now you can sign.

2:27:56 ↗ You have to do both of those.

2:28:12 ↗ We're going to we're going to take a

2:28:14 ↗ short break so we can do one group photo

2:28:16 ↗ and then we will reconvene.

2:29:16 ↗ Okay, we are now Whoa, wait. We're back

2:29:21 ↗ in open session at 9:29.

2:29:25 ↗ The next item of business is committee

2:29:28 ↗ regional reports. We'll go through each

2:29:30 ↗ council member to have them give us

2:29:33 ↗ their reports. And council member Boyd,

2:29:36 ↗ do you want to report on your regional

2:29:37 ↗ committees? I'm just kidding. Council

2:29:39 ↗ member Adair.

2:29:41 ↗ >> Uh uh thank you. Uh I just have that the

2:29:45 ↗ services, safety, and parks committee

2:29:46 ↗ meeting that was originally scheduled

2:29:48 ↗ for April 28th was cancelled because the

2:29:50 ↗ May meeting was moved up to May 5th. So

2:29:52 ↗ as a result, the agenda items for both

2:29:54 ↗ April and May were combined into the May

2:29:56 ↗ 5th meeting to avoid holding two

2:29:57 ↗ meetings one week apart.

2:30:00 ↗ That concludes my report.

2:30:02 ↗ >> Council member Nichols. Thank you. The

2:30:05 ↗ East Side Transportation Partnership met

2:30:06 ↗ in person on uh Friday, April 10th, but

2:30:10 ↗ I will defer for the committee report on

2:30:11 ↗ that to the vice chair of that

2:30:12 ↗ committee,

2:30:16 ↗ >> Council Member Joe.

2:30:17 ↗ >> Thank you. Uh the Mobility and

2:30:19 ↗ Infrastructure Committee, uh which is

2:30:22 ↗ scheduled for next was scheduled for

2:30:23 ↗ next week is canled. Um

2:30:27 ↗ we're canceling it because it was

2:30:28 ↗ originally scheduled on the night that

2:30:30 ↗ the school district meeting uh and

2:30:32 ↗ council uh dinner was scheduled. So um

2:30:35 ↗ we just moved it to next month. April

2:30:38 ↗ 22nd, Cascade Water Alliance Board will

2:30:41 ↗ be meeting and I'm on the Finance and

2:30:43 ↗ Intergovernmental Committee and that's

2:30:45 ↗ meeting on 421.

2:30:47 ↗ Lastly, uh, ELTAC met this afternoon and

2:30:52 ↗ we, um, discussed the applications that

2:30:55 ↗ we received last year and talked about

2:30:57 ↗ how those applications can be improved

2:31:00 ↗ and the information that we received can

2:31:01 ↗ be, um, better processed by us to cut

2:31:05 ↗ down on our time potentially that we

2:31:08 ↗ review those applications. We also

2:31:10 ↗ talked about uh reporting factors that

2:31:12 ↗ were brought up at the uh council

2:31:14 ↗ meeting during the ELTAC discussion and

2:31:17 ↗ um trying to have a more visible

2:31:18 ↗ transparent process for that uh

2:31:22 ↗ information as it comes back uh for

2:31:24 ↗ council to deliberate on. Lastly, we

2:31:27 ↗ received a report from our destination

2:31:29 ↗ management organization, Visit Isiqua,

2:31:32 ↗ and found out about uh the things that

2:31:34 ↗ they've been doing in the last quarter.

2:31:36 ↗ I believe that report uh has been

2:31:38 ↗ forwarded or will be forwarded to

2:31:39 ↗ council. So look for it in your email

2:31:42 ↗ boxes. That concludes my report. Thank

2:31:44 ↗ you.

2:31:44 ↗ >> All right, Council Member Walsh.

2:31:46 ↗ >> Thank you. I have three reports. Um as

2:31:49 ↗ the chair of the Planning, Development,

2:31:51 ↗ and Environment Committee, I want to

2:31:52 ↗ report out that our next meeting is on

2:31:54 ↗ May 19th, which again is a changed dates

2:31:57 ↗ because of a few shifting things. Um, we

2:32:00 ↗ will discuss code amendments and uh a

2:32:03 ↗ goals and outcomes discussion for our

2:32:05 ↗ proposed new housing work. And I guess I

2:32:09 ↗ would I was going to say the for those

2:32:11 ↗ who remember it, we had a goals and

2:32:13 ↗ outcomes chart for um our title 18 work,

2:32:16 ↗ but honestly uh council president Martz,

2:32:20 ↗ I think you're the only one here that

2:32:22 ↗ was there at that time. So, we're

2:32:25 ↗ bringing that back because it works.

2:32:28 ↗ >> Yes. Yeah, that was just two years

2:32:30 ↗ earlier when we started the process.

2:32:32 ↗ Yeah.

2:32:33 ↗ >> Um the council rules ad hoc. So we met

2:32:37 ↗ on April 2nd and provided feedback on

2:32:40 ↗ several sections of the council rules.

2:32:43 ↗ Uh social media policy, audience

2:32:45 ↗ comments, seating, voting and

2:32:47 ↗ abstensions, confidentiality,

2:32:49 ↗ correspondence, and the special meeting

2:32:51 ↗ process. Uh, we were supposed to address

2:32:54 ↗ the new business request process and use

2:32:56 ↗ of staff time, but those items were

2:32:58 ↗ continued to the April 21st meeting due

2:33:00 ↗ to a lack of time. Our next meeting is

2:33:03 ↗ tomorrow, April 21st, at 6:30 p.m. at

2:33:06 ↗ the steelhead room. Um, we will review a

2:33:09 ↗ draft of the social media policy,

2:33:11 ↗ provide guidance on the changes to the

2:33:14 ↗ new business requests and use of staff

2:33:16 ↗ time topics, and review a complete set

2:33:19 ↗ of draft amendments to council rules and

2:33:23 ↗ provide input on the presentation to C

2:33:26 ↗ uh, city council because we're going to

2:33:28 ↗ report out at the May 4th meeting. And

2:33:31 ↗ then East Side Fire and Rescue, we met

2:33:33 ↗ on April 9th to continue the very

2:33:36 ↗ important detailed conversation about

2:33:39 ↗ consolidation and financing options. One

2:33:42 ↗ of the things we learned there is East

2:33:44 ↗ Side Fire and Rescue is a little bit

2:33:46 ↗ ahead of the curve in that we basically

2:33:50 ↗ created

2:33:51 ↗ regional fire governance but without all

2:33:55 ↗ of the state levers for funding it by

2:33:58 ↗ creating what we currently have now with

2:34:00 ↗ an interlocal agreement and a nonprofit.

2:34:03 ↗ And so we reviewed um the other options

2:34:06 ↗ that might be out there um including a

2:34:09 ↗ regional fire authority or consolidating

2:34:12 ↗ into an existing RFA regional fire

2:34:15 ↗ authority or looking at uh fire

2:34:18 ↗ districts. We discussed pros and cons.

2:34:21 ↗ Uh we also had a bunch of other

2:34:22 ↗ information about the potential

2:34:24 ↗ financial impacts but again we ran out

2:34:26 ↗ of time because we have such detailed

2:34:28 ↗ and lovely uh conversation. So that is

2:34:30 ↗ pushed to the May meeting. Um, we also

2:34:33 ↗ nominated members for the finance and

2:34:35 ↗ administration committee which will

2:34:38 ↗ include council member Adair and our

2:34:40 ↗ next meeting is May 14th and that

2:34:42 ↗ concludes my report.

2:34:43 ↗ >> Right, Deputy President Jay.

2:34:45 ↗ >> Great. I have three as well. Um, so the

2:34:49 ↗ first one as council member Nichols

2:34:50 ↗ mentioned, we had an Eastside

2:34:51 ↗ Transportation Partnership meeting on

2:34:54 ↗ Friday, April 10th in Redmond. Um, PSRC

2:34:57 ↗ shared some federal and state updates.

2:34:58 ↗ We went around all the cities shared

2:35:00 ↗ their local priorities. One in

2:35:02 ↗ particular to call out is that Samish

2:35:03 ↗ mentioned their number one priority is

2:35:05 ↗ supporting Isiqua light rail which was

2:35:08 ↗ great. Um and then one of the items on

2:35:10 ↗ the agenda was um I had worked with uh

2:35:13 ↗ some council members from Kirkland to

2:35:14 ↗ draft a letter of support for the four

2:35:16 ↗ line for the east side transportation

2:35:17 ↗ partnership. There were a few you know

2:35:20 ↗ minor edits that were brought up and so

2:35:22 ↗ um we worked with metro staff to kind of

2:35:23 ↗ implement those adjustments. Um and we

2:35:26 ↗ will be approving that or voting to

2:35:28 ↗ approve that in May in the next ETP

2:35:30 ↗ meeting which is on May 9th. Um the King

2:35:33 ↗ County Regional Homelessness Authority

2:35:35 ↗ had our board retreat that same day

2:35:36 ↗ which was Friday uh April 10th in person

2:35:39 ↗ in Seattle. Um we discussed 2025

2:35:42 ↗ accomplishments and 2026 opportunities.

2:35:45 ↗ Lots of um interesting questions from

2:35:47 ↗ board members. We also discussed the

2:35:49 ↗ creation of a finance committee and an

2:35:52 ↗ executive committee. So, more to come on

2:35:53 ↗ that and I think probably the finance

2:35:55 ↗ committee is going to be created um in

2:35:57 ↗ our next board meeting which is this

2:35:59 ↗ Friday, April 24th. Um which will be

2:36:01 ↗ held virtually from 10:00 a.m. to 12:00

2:36:03 ↗ p.m. Finally, this Friday, the King

2:36:05 ↗ County Flood Control District Advisory

2:36:08 ↗ Committee, it's a handful, it's a

2:36:10 ↗ sevenletter acronym. Um we have our

2:36:12 ↗ first meeting this Friday uh from 1 to 3

2:36:15 ↗ pm. Um and so basically this committee

2:36:18 ↗ advises King County, the King County

2:36:20 ↗ Council in their offices as the King

2:36:22 ↗ County Flood Control District on what

2:36:24 ↗ types of uh flood mitigation projects to

2:36:27 ↗ fund. And so apparently the criteria

2:36:30 ↗ for, you know, how they prioritize flood

2:36:31 ↗ mitigation projects has changed since

2:36:33 ↗ the flooding back in December. So that's

2:36:35 ↗ going to be interesting. Probably

2:36:37 ↗ there's going to be more funding given

2:36:38 ↗ what we saw in December as well. So,

2:36:40 ↗ we'll have updates after that. That

2:36:42 ↗ concludes my report.

2:36:43 ↗ >> All right. Council President Martz.

2:36:45 ↗ >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Sound Cities

2:36:46 ↗ Association Public Issues Committee met

2:36:48 ↗ on Wednesday, April 8th at 7 p.m. Uh, it

2:36:52 ↗ was really the biggest issue was around

2:36:54 ↗ the King County Transportation

2:36:55 ↗ District's

2:36:57 ↗ uh 0.1 countywide sales tax. Um so the

2:37:04 ↗ punchline is that um when the KCTD met

2:37:09 ↗ at different times of the evening there

2:37:11 ↗ were seven of the nine members in favor

2:37:13 ↗ of at least some city pass through. The

2:37:15 ↗ problem was that there was no more than

2:37:16 ↗ four of the nine on any particular vote.

2:37:19 ↗ Uh so the executive's office actually

2:37:22 ↗ opposed the pass through but has

2:37:24 ↗ indicated a willingness to engage in

2:37:26 ↗ conversation with the appropriate

2:37:28 ↗ formula for a pass through. We um so uh

2:37:32 ↗ executive director Feldstein sort of

2:37:34 ↗ went through what the objections were.

2:37:37 ↗ Some of them are like well you've never

2:37:39 ↗ had a pass through of uh this exact

2:37:43 ↗ style before from the county back to the

2:37:46 ↗ cities and um he had good

2:37:48 ↗ counterarguments for each of it. Um KCTD

2:37:52 ↗ is likely to vote on an updated proposal

2:37:53 ↗ in May. I forwarded you all the language

2:37:56 ↗ of a draft uh draft letter. Um we did

2:38:01 ↗ some word smithing on that. There may be

2:38:03 ↗ some further word smithing. I believe

2:38:04 ↗ that that language reflects the last

2:38:06 ↗ time this council spent some time on the

2:38:08 ↗ subject. We are right in the middle lane

2:38:11 ↗ of how other cities feel about it which

2:38:14 ↗ is like 20 to 25%

2:38:16 ↗ um would be uh would be fair and not

2:38:20 ↗ usurious uh on the county. But if

2:38:23 ↗ anybody has any feedback on that letter,

2:38:25 ↗ please send it to me and uh and I will

2:38:27 ↗ incorporate that in my comments back

2:38:29 ↗ next month. Uh the Sound Cities

2:38:31 ↗ Association Board of Directors met the

2:38:33 ↗ following uh Wednesday at 10 a.m. at Ren

2:38:37 ↗ City Hall and it was really mostly again

2:38:39 ↗ about this transportation district, the

2:38:41 ↗ King County Transportation District.

2:38:43 ↗ That was the big thing. Um there was

2:38:45 ↗ also at both of them there was um I

2:38:47 ↗ would also say a spirited conversation

2:38:49 ↗ about um Olympia this year and about uh

2:38:55 ↗ where we had successes and where we did

2:38:57 ↗ not have successes and how uh we can go

2:39:01 ↗ about having better engagement with uh

2:39:04 ↗ the folks in Olympia and have a you know

2:39:07 ↗ move beyond our immediate legislators.

2:39:10 ↗ you know, go talk to some other

2:39:12 ↗ legislators uh out there who help them

2:39:14 ↗ understand our needs for for example um

2:39:17 ↗ because our legislators know us well at

2:39:19 ↗ this point hopefully. Uh so it was a so

2:39:22 ↗ both but both pick and uh the board of

2:39:26 ↗ directors there was quite quite a lot of

2:39:28 ↗ conversation about how do we um talk

2:39:31 ↗ better in Olympia about um issues that

2:39:34 ↗ come up at the city level. a feeling

2:39:36 ↗ that perhaps um the way that it went um

2:39:39 ↗ indicated we could improve those

2:39:41 ↗ conversations. That concludes my report.

2:39:43 ↗ >> Excellent. Hear that? RIP Paul. Council

2:39:45 ↗ President Marts wants to reach your

2:39:47 ↗ legislative colleagues and expand his

2:39:49 ↗ horizons.

2:39:51 ↗ Okay. So, tonight the rainer dog the new

2:39:54 ↗ Rainer Trail dog park opened. The

2:39:56 ↗ council was there. It was very exciting.

2:39:58 ↗ Uh Chris Kovac's dog Bug successfully

2:40:00 ↗ put on Tim Smith's GoPro and retrieved

2:40:03 ↗ the very first tennis ball in the Isiqua

2:40:06 ↗ new dog park and it was fun event. The

2:40:09 ↗ spring business openhouse is this

2:40:11 ↗ Thursday from 9:00 a.m. to 10:30 at

2:40:13 ↗ Blakeley Hall. People can come by

2:40:16 ↗ basically city staff will be there. I

2:40:17 ↗ plan to be there. All the council is

2:40:19 ↗ invited if they can make it and

2:40:21 ↗ basically just give people in the small

2:40:23 ↗ business community squad a chance to ask

2:40:24 ↗ questions and and understand how to

2:40:26 ↗ better navigate the process. Uh downtown

2:40:28 ↗ is called summer wine and art starts

2:40:30 ↗ this Friday. That's at 6:00. My wife

2:40:33 ↗ Kelly and I have already purchased our

2:40:35 ↗ tickets and uh so we will be there. I

2:40:38 ↗ have not checked the weather yet, but we

2:40:40 ↗ encourage everyone to attend the

2:40:42 ↗ winewalk. And then Stacy sustainability

2:40:45 ↗ fair and the farmers market preview is

2:40:47 ↗ this Saturday. So inside Pickering Barn

2:40:49 ↗ you have sustainability fair and at the

2:40:51 ↗ same time it's sort of not the I think

2:40:54 ↗ the official launch of the farmers

2:40:55 ↗ market is Saturday May 1st but this is

2:40:57 ↗ called like the preview launch and so a

2:40:59 ↗ lot of the vendors will actually have

2:41:01 ↗ their stuff set up as well during the

2:41:03 ↗ sustainability fair this Saturday April

2:41:06 ↗ 25th from 9:00 a.m. to 2 p.m. Uh ebike

2:41:08 ↗ demos, EV showcases, uh free clothing,

2:41:11 ↗ tree giveaways, uh and Council Member

2:41:14 ↗ Joe. Yes, I will be at the Cascade Water

2:41:16 ↗ Alliance board meeting this Wednesday

2:41:17 ↗ from 3:30 to 5:00. We still have to

2:41:19 ↗ figure out what we're doing with the

2:41:21 ↗ interim executive director versus

2:41:23 ↗ potentially doing a search for a new

2:41:24 ↗ executive director. And and I assume we

2:41:26 ↗ will hopefully resolve that issue at the

2:41:28 ↗ meeting this Wednesday. And that

2:41:31 ↗ concludes the mayor's report. Does

2:41:34 ↗ anyone have anything for the go to the

2:41:35 ↗ order? Council member Walsh.

2:41:39 ↗ >> Thank you. Um, responsive to the

2:41:43 ↗ community who have emailed us um, over

2:41:47 ↗ the last several weeks and who came out

2:41:49 ↗ tonight, I would move that the city

2:41:51 ↗ council direct the mayor and city

2:41:53 ↗ administration to place the topic of the

2:41:56 ↗ congressional community appropriations

2:41:58 ↗ grant and the proposed automative

2:42:00 ↗ license plate reader camera program on

2:42:03 ↗ the agenda for the council committee of

2:42:05 ↗ the whole meeting on May 11th, 2026,

2:42:08 ↗ including a full staff briefing and

2:42:11 ↗ opportunity for council discussion.

2:42:15 ↗ >> I'll second that.

2:42:17 ↗ >> There's been a motion and a second. Is

2:42:19 ↗ there any conversation? Council member

2:42:21 ↗ Walsh.

2:42:22 ↗ >> Thank you. Um

2:42:25 ↗ I just feel it's really important at

2:42:27 ↗ this point to

2:42:31 ↗ understand that our community needs um

2:42:33 ↗ transparency, accountability, and really

2:42:37 ↗ acknowledging that we are going to

2:42:39 ↗ follow through on issues that have

2:42:41 ↗ already been identified as important. um

2:42:46 ↗ these automatic license plate readers,

2:42:49 ↗ ALPRS or flot cameras um was previously

2:42:52 ↗ scheduled to come before us on May 19th

2:42:54 ↗ and then it was removed from the agenda

2:42:57 ↗ calendar. Um as I mentioned at the same

2:42:59 ↗ time we've received a significant volume

2:43:01 ↗ of public feedback particularly

2:43:04 ↗ regarding the flot cameras um with many

2:43:06 ↗ community members asking us to address

2:43:08 ↗ this issue openly rather than delay it.

2:43:11 ↗ Um, I think it's really important that

2:43:13 ↗ we establish a clear and timely path

2:43:15 ↗ forward and not delay something to a

2:43:19 ↗ time uncertain after a um, new police

2:43:23 ↗ chief is hired. Adding this item to our

2:43:26 ↗ already scheduled May 11th committee of

2:43:28 ↗ the whole meeting accomplishes a few

2:43:30 ↗ things. It restores a public process

2:43:32 ↗ around an issue that has generated

2:43:34 ↗ community concern, provides transparency

2:43:37 ↗ into both the grant opportunity and the

2:43:39 ↗ proposed flock camera program. It gives

2:43:42 ↗ the council the opportunity to ask

2:43:43 ↗ questions and receive a full briefing

2:43:45 ↗ from staff and it creates a community

2:43:49 ↗ conversation and a point where the

2:43:52 ↗ community knows when they can hear um

2:43:54 ↗ about something. Um the motion does not

2:43:58 ↗ take a position on the substance of the

2:44:00 ↗ proposal. It simply ensures that the

2:44:02 ↗ discussion happens in a public

2:44:04 ↗ transparent setting consistent with a

2:44:06 ↗ role in providing oversight. Um so I

2:44:09 ↗ think it's just really important that we

2:44:12 ↗ recognize that the public is eager for

2:44:14 ↗ engagement on this topic and um needs an

2:44:19 ↗ appropriate and timely opportunity to do

2:44:20 ↗ that. Council President Marts,

2:44:24 ↗ >> I'm I'm a little confused about the

2:44:26 ↗ about what's actually being proposed. We

2:44:29 ↗ we write checks, we pass laws, we pass

2:44:32 ↗ resolutions. Which of those three are

2:44:35 ↗ are we talking about doing here?

2:44:37 ↗ >> I am directing suggesting we direct the

2:44:39 ↗ administration to bring an item to our

2:44:42 ↗ agenda um that was previously removed.

2:44:47 ↗ >> The So you're asking because I'm not

2:44:49 ↗ sure. So, you're asking them to bring

2:44:52 ↗ the grant because the grant is doesn't,

2:44:55 ↗ I believe, require our approval.

2:44:58 ↗ >> Well, it should if it's a contract or

2:45:01 ↗ since over $300,000, which is what the

2:45:05 ↗ city

2:45:06 ↗ council has approval authority.

2:45:09 ↗ >> One of my fellow council members

2:45:12 ↗ approval.

2:45:12 ↗ >> Does it does it or does it not require

2:45:14 ↗ city approval

2:45:16 ↗ >> or council approval, I should say? We're

2:45:18 ↗ still working with the federal

2:45:20 ↗ government on that, but I think it at

2:45:23 ↗ this point we believe it will, but

2:45:25 ↗ again, we don't have something to bring

2:45:27 ↗ before the council at this point.

2:45:28 ↗ >> Right. So, you're you're basically

2:45:30 ↗ directing them to finish preparing that.

2:45:33 ↗ >> Yes. Because the previous um timeline

2:45:37 ↗ that was given to us was May 19th. That

2:45:41 ↗ has since been pulled and we've received

2:45:43 ↗ a lot of community concern over that.

2:45:46 ↗ And so even if the full and concise

2:45:49 ↗ complete information cannot be achieved

2:45:52 ↗ by the May 11th, I believe the community

2:45:56 ↗ deserves a time certain and a time in

2:46:00 ↗ within the bounds of the time period

2:46:02 ↗ that was previously mentioned in order

2:46:06 ↗ to hear what the council's responses to

2:46:10 ↗ this topic.

2:46:12 ↗ Can I ask the city clerk, did the item

2:46:14 ↗ get bold or did it get moved to a

2:46:16 ↗ different date later in the calendar?

2:46:19 ↗ >> It is currently not on our planning

2:46:21 ↗ calendar.

2:46:22 ↗ >> It's currently under the TBD 2026

2:46:24 ↗ awaiting more precise scheduling. So

2:46:29 ↗ >> got it.

2:46:30 ↗ >> Mr. Mayor, if I can just remind the

2:46:33 ↗ council that the planning calendar is

2:46:35 ↗ just that. It's a planning calendar. It

2:46:37 ↗ does not commit us to anything. We do it

2:46:39 ↗ as a courtesy um to be transparent. Um

2:46:42 ↗ and we often say that dates move, you

2:46:46 ↗ know, and uh certainly we do our best to

2:46:49 ↗ fulfill them, but there is no obligation

2:46:52 ↗ by the administration to fulfill any of

2:46:54 ↗ that. We do our best and I think as the

2:46:56 ↗ mayor has said um this evening, it has

2:46:59 ↗ been his judgment uh that this item

2:47:02 ↗ still needs additional uh study. we want

2:47:04 ↗ to wait for a new police chief because

2:47:06 ↗ that individual is going to have to move

2:47:09 ↗ forward with the responsibility of

2:47:11 ↗ protecting the community uh and feel

2:47:13 ↗ that it's important for that individual

2:47:15 ↗ to have uh some time and given that it's

2:47:18 ↗ we're going to be hopefully interviewing

2:47:19 ↗ candidates at the end of May um a little

2:47:22 ↗ bit delay doesn't seem to be an issue

2:47:25 ↗ for us. We have until the end of

2:47:28 ↗ September to uh work on the to accept

2:47:31 ↗ the grant. Um, so we have some time.

2:47:36 ↗ >> Council President Mart, did you

2:47:38 ↗ >> uh Okay. So, um, I think I'm going to

2:47:41 ↗ oppose this motion. Um, I think that I

2:47:46 ↗ have heard

2:47:48 ↗ I think in the community there is a

2:47:50 ↗ range of opinions. Um, there are folks

2:47:53 ↗ who are just dead set against using

2:47:56 ↗ ALPRs

2:47:57 ↗ and there are folks who don't like how

2:48:01 ↗ uh, Flock organizes its ALPRs and I

2:48:04 ↗ suspect there are folks in the community

2:48:06 ↗ who are okay with it, although we didn't

2:48:07 ↗ hear from many of them this evening. Um,

2:48:09 ↗ I think that ALPRs

2:48:12 ↗ are remind me very much of uh, body

2:48:16 ↗ cameras. For many years, we did not

2:48:19 ↗ implement body cameras because the ACLU

2:48:23 ↗ of Washington and National ACLU and

2:48:25 ↗ other organizations had a lot of

2:48:27 ↗ concerns with body cameras. Um, over

2:48:29 ↗ time those concerns were addressed and

2:48:32 ↗ now body cameras are considered an

2:48:34 ↗ essential tool for policing. Um, I don't

2:48:37 ↗ know if I support using ALPRs. I don't

2:48:41 ↗ know where I sit in that spectrum that I

2:48:43 ↗ just described. Um, but I want to have a

2:48:46 ↗ comprehensive conversation. And I think

2:48:49 ↗ forcing the administration to have a

2:48:51 ↗ date certain uh on something. I've never

2:48:54 ↗ seen that before. I've never seen this

2:48:56 ↗ council do that in 17 years. Attempt to

2:48:58 ↗ force the administration to do have a

2:49:00 ↗ conversation. I mean, you can you can

2:49:02 ↗ pass a resolution and say, "I hate lock

2:49:04 ↗ cameras." Right? But forcing the

2:49:06 ↗ administration to bring a bill forward

2:49:07 ↗ seems really weird to me. So, I think

2:49:09 ↗ it's a bad idea. I think it sets a bad

2:49:11 ↗ precedent. I also think we should have a

2:49:13 ↗ comprehensive conversation about ALPRs.

2:49:15 ↗ I think we should understand um are you

2:49:19 ↗ know there is Axon, there is Motorola,

2:49:22 ↗ there are other solutions other than

2:49:23 ↗ flock. I don't know if this grant uh

2:49:26 ↗ would allow that but you know there's

2:49:27 ↗ other potential solutions out there.

2:49:30 ↗ Points were brought up about you know

2:49:32 ↗ domestic abuse. I would be interested to

2:49:34 ↗ know if the police feel that you have

2:49:37 ↗ that um ALPRs give tools to people to

2:49:41 ↗ help prevent domestic abuse because you

2:49:43 ↗ can um you can tag the you know the

2:49:45 ↗ potential vehicles that are coming in. I

2:49:47 ↗ just think there's a lot of questions

2:49:48 ↗ associated with this. I think it's an

2:49:50 ↗ important conversation to have. I don't

2:49:51 ↗ want to have the wrong conversation and

2:49:53 ↗ I certainly don't want to again rush the

2:49:55 ↗ administration into something that

2:49:56 ↗ they're not ready to do. So for all

2:49:58 ↗ those reasons I'm going to oppose this

2:49:59 ↗ motion this evening. Thank you. Council

2:50:01 ↗ member Nichols.

2:50:05 ↗ >> Thank you.

2:50:07 ↗ Rachel Turpin, city attorney. I just

2:50:08 ↗ wanted to I I looked up the grant while

2:50:11 ↗ we were sitting here and it's for

2:50:13 ↗ $452,000.

2:50:15 ↗ So, it will definitely have to come to

2:50:17 ↗ council. So, there's no way for the city

2:50:19 ↗ to legally implement this grant without

2:50:22 ↗ it getting council approval at whether

2:50:25 ↗ it be, you know, now or in the future.

2:50:28 ↗ So just to clarify that I also wanted to

2:50:32 ↗ let everyone know um the grant is for

2:50:35 ↗ more than flock cameras. The application

2:50:37 ↗ was for other technology and I believe

2:50:39 ↗ that the flock cameras were pretty small

2:50:41 ↗ part of it and the estimate for the

2:50:43 ↗ other technology is pretty outdated. So

2:50:47 ↗ I'm not sure in you know my my

2:50:49 ↗ understanding is I'm not really even

2:50:51 ↗ sure how much grant money would be left

2:50:53 ↗ over for flock. However, I think that

2:50:55 ↗ you might need more time um

2:50:59 ↗ to actually like get more estimates to

2:51:02 ↗ actually know what the current costs

2:51:03 ↗ are.

2:51:06 ↗ >> And I Rachel is it it's basically the

2:51:09 ↗ way the grant is designed.

2:51:11 ↗ >> You could do all tasers if you wanted

2:51:14 ↗ to. And that would be one option that

2:51:16 ↗ the new police chief, the new chief of

2:51:19 ↗ police could recommend to the council is

2:51:22 ↗ just saying, "Hey, based on the status

2:51:24 ↗ of the city's current equipment, I'm

2:51:26 ↗ recommending X." But we don't know at

2:51:28 ↗ this point in time what that new police

2:51:30 ↗ chief's recommendation would be because

2:51:32 ↗ we're interviewing that person on May

2:51:33 ↗ 28th and May 29th. Is that

2:51:35 ↗ >> Yes, that is correct. That's that is my

2:51:37 ↗ understanding of the grant is that it's

2:51:38 ↗ we have put several options in our

2:51:41 ↗ application. It can be used for any of

2:51:42 ↗ those. But um it doesn't it mean you

2:51:46 ↗ know it doesn't mean that there's not

2:51:47 ↗ some aortion that's aortioned to one

2:51:50 ↗ versus the other and it's likely that

2:51:53 ↗ the tasers will end up costing more than

2:51:55 ↗ we thought they would.

2:51:57 ↗ >> Okay. Uh Council Member Nichols.

2:51:59 ↗ >> Yeah. Um I I think I I first of all I

2:52:02 ↗ support this motion. Um but I want to

2:52:06 ↗ just briefly on the procedural sides of

2:52:07 ↗ things. I mean my my understanding is

2:52:10 ↗ that we do do these kinds of things

2:52:12 ↗ somewhat routinely. Um we the I think

2:52:15 ↗ the second meeting I was at we had a

2:52:17 ↗ good of the order motion brought up

2:52:19 ↗ under the same process effectively to

2:52:22 ↗ have a resol to to bring forward a

2:52:24 ↗ discussion on uh supporting a school

2:52:26 ↗ levy that was upcoming. So as far as one

2:52:29 ↗ of the tools that are available to the

2:52:30 ↗ council to try to control our agenda,

2:52:32 ↗ this is my understanding is one of them.

2:52:34 ↗ We also have um in our council rules, we

2:52:37 ↗ have the it's state it's worded oddly.

2:52:40 ↗ It says the council president andor the

2:52:42 ↗ mayor are able to move these things

2:52:44 ↗ around. Um and we also have of course

2:52:45 ↗ the new business item that we exercise

2:52:48 ↗ tonight. So we do have it's our it's our

2:52:51 ↗ meeting. We do have control over the

2:52:52 ↗ agenda and we have a couple different

2:52:54 ↗ mechanisms to do that and I think this

2:52:55 ↗ is an example that's well within the

2:52:57 ↗ spirit of others that have quite

2:52:58 ↗ recently been used. Um I I don't want to

2:53:02 ↗ debate flock cameras tonight. I don't

2:53:04 ↗ think it'll come as any surprise to

2:53:05 ↗ anybody that I'm against them, but uh I

2:53:08 ↗ don't want to because this motion isn't

2:53:09 ↗ about that. It's about that procedural

2:53:12 ↗ step of trying to bring forward this

2:53:13 ↗ discussion sooner as we have many in our

2:53:16 ↗ community very very very clearly saying

2:53:17 ↗ they would like to see. Um and I think

2:53:20 ↗ it's appropriate to as well. Um I I have

2:53:23 ↗ heard the argument that we should wait

2:53:25 ↗ for a new police chief. Um and frankly I

2:53:29 ↗ I disagree with that. I think we we know

2:53:31 ↗ what we will need to know with only very

2:53:34 ↗ limited exceptions what from what would

2:53:36 ↗ happen between now and the time we get a

2:53:38 ↗ new police chief and that's because as

2:53:40 ↗ was brought up in the overwhelming

2:53:42 ↗ public comments that we've got on this

2:53:45 ↗ adopting one of these programs comes

2:53:47 ↗ down to trust and there's a couple

2:53:49 ↗ different layers of that trust that I

2:53:50 ↗ want to specifically name because I

2:53:51 ↗ think understanding those is important

2:53:53 ↗ to why this is a good conversation to

2:53:54 ↗ have now and why it shouldn't matter if

2:53:56 ↗ we wait. So layer one with this trust is

2:54:00 ↗ we have to trust our federal government

2:54:02 ↗ not to access our residents data in ways

2:54:04 ↗ that we don't sanction. Uh multiple

2:54:06 ↗ examples and mechanisms for that to

2:54:07 ↗ happen were brought up tonight. Layer

2:54:10 ↗ two, we have to trust whether ALPR

2:54:12 ↗ vendors we work with have adequate

2:54:14 ↗ safeguards and to not expose or monetize

2:54:16 ↗ our data in ways we don't want them to.

2:54:18 ↗ Multiple examples of that failure mode

2:54:19 ↗ were brought up tonight. We also have to

2:54:21 ↗ trust other Washington police agencies

2:54:23 ↗ with whom we would share the data on our

2:54:25 ↗ residents and visitors to follow their

2:54:28 ↗ own policies and ours and not to become

2:54:30 ↗ a side door that exposes our residents

2:54:32 ↗ to surveillance. Multiple examples of

2:54:34 ↗ that were brought up tonight.

2:54:36 ↗ Finally, four, we have to trust our own

2:54:38 ↗ department's internal compliance. Uh as

2:54:40 ↗ we're all aware, our department has had

2:54:42 ↗ struggles to put it mildly to comply

2:54:44 ↗ with their stated policies on

2:54:46 ↗ appropriate polic on on how these these

2:54:49 ↗ data are entered for to allow auditing.

2:54:51 ↗ However, that's the only topic where I

2:54:53 ↗ would really be interested to hear in a

2:54:55 ↗ new a new police chief's opinion. Um,

2:54:58 ↗ and

2:54:59 ↗ I think if we are no on any of those

2:55:02 ↗ first layers of trust, if we're no on

2:55:05 ↗ the federal government, if we're no on

2:55:06 ↗ the companies overall, if we're no on um

2:55:10 ↗ how other agencies in Washington can be

2:55:12 ↗ trusted to always follow their own

2:55:14 ↗ policies,

2:55:15 ↗ then we should logically be no to the

2:55:17 ↗ entire proposal because it's it requires

2:55:19 ↗ trust on all of those. So waiting for a

2:55:22 ↗ new chief does not make sense to me. I

2:55:24 ↗ think we have quite a bit of feedback

2:55:26 ↗ from the community that they would like

2:55:27 ↗ to hear this put to bed now. Um, one way

2:55:29 ↗ or the other, it's obviously causing

2:55:31 ↗ quite a bit of anxiety for many many

2:55:33 ↗ people. Um, and the the new data we get

2:55:36 ↗ I think is only gerine in the case where

2:55:39 ↗ we first have all of those layers of

2:55:40 ↗ trust finalized. The the last point I

2:55:43 ↗ want to make on this is I have heard and

2:55:46 ↗ at least discussion that SB60002 will

2:55:48 ↗ offer us reassurance um and that that

2:55:50 ↗ we'll need time to figure out how to

2:55:52 ↗ implement that. That's another reason to

2:55:53 ↗ delay. Um

2:55:56 ↗ I I this is another one I just don't

2:55:58 ↗ really understand. Like that's a it's a

2:56:00 ↗ state statute that sets a minimum

2:56:01 ↗ acceptable behavior u but not like a

2:56:04 ↗ maximum aspiration for how carefully our

2:56:06 ↗ city should treat its residents data.

2:56:07 ↗ And we can have that discussion now too.

2:56:09 ↗ Um I I find it really notable. Well, the

2:56:12 ↗ prime sponsor of that bill, SB60002,

2:56:14 ↗ said earlier in the month, and I'm

2:56:15 ↗ quoting her, quote, "I don't like these

2:56:18 ↗ cameras either, and if you ask me at the

2:56:20 ↗ local level, I'd be very uncomfortable

2:56:21 ↗ with the cameras." So, when the

2:56:23 ↗ legislator who sponsored the guardrails

2:56:25 ↗ says she herself would be uncomfortable

2:56:26 ↗ deploying the technology, we should hear

2:56:28 ↗ that. Um, so 6002 is a floor, but it

2:56:32 ↗ permits us to stand very far above it if

2:56:34 ↗ we want to, and we know what we need to

2:56:36 ↗ know now, and we should let the

2:56:37 ↗ community know what our thoughts are.

2:56:39 ↗ So, I support the motion.

2:56:42 ↗ Council member.

2:56:44 ↗ >> Uh yes. So when this agenda item was was

2:56:48 ↗ originally on there, you know, it was

2:56:49 ↗ told to me that, you know, it was plans

2:56:50 ↗ to extend it and to delay it rather. And

2:56:53 ↗ at the time, I did support that because

2:56:55 ↗ I equally wanted a very robust uh level

2:56:59 ↗ of information and discussion on this

2:57:01 ↗ because I do think it is a very

2:57:03 ↗ important topic and one that has a lot

2:57:05 ↗ of layers, outcomes, and people affected

2:57:08 ↗ by it. So I did want more time to get

2:57:10 ↗ that information. But in the last few

2:57:13 ↗ weeks that my opinion on that decision

2:57:15 ↗ has changed due to the public outcry.

2:57:18 ↗ Like besides the you know daily emails

2:57:20 ↗ we are getting to city council. I've had

2:57:23 ↗ direct conversations of individuals in

2:57:25 ↗ this city just talking to me out on the

2:57:27 ↗ street neighbors. There is a real sense

2:57:30 ↗ of fear um uncertainty and the community

2:57:36 ↗ the the act of it community expecting it

2:57:39 ↗ to be discussed and then suddenly not

2:57:41 ↗ being discussed has created a sense of

2:57:43 ↗ distrust with this with this government

2:57:46 ↗ and I'm just seeing that daily now and

2:57:49 ↗ so I do feel that this discussion needs

2:57:52 ↗ to happen now earlier and I don't I

2:57:55 ↗ think the delay is creating more

2:57:58 ↗ problems by doing it and so I feel that

2:58:01 ↗ there is a mechanism in which we can

2:58:03 ↗ discuss this earlier as brought up you

2:58:05 ↗ know the the grant covers many

2:58:07 ↗ technologies perhaps the discussion is

2:58:09 ↗ simply on the specific of this

2:58:11 ↗ technology shouldn't be part of that

2:58:13 ↗ grant um you know the the mechanisms I'm

2:58:16 ↗ uncertain about of but I believe we do

2:58:18 ↗ need to have this discussion now in

2:58:20 ↗ order to regain that trust with the

2:58:22 ↗ community so I do support this motion

2:58:27 ↗ >> and I don't know the answer to Uh, city

2:58:29 ↗ administrator, do we know if Chief

2:58:30 ↗ Schwan's

2:58:33 ↗ availability is on May?

2:58:37 ↗ >> Uh, she is doing some traveling as she

2:58:39 ↗ concludes her service with the city. Um,

2:58:41 ↗ she certainly is said that she'll be

2:58:43 ↗ available electronically.

2:58:46 ↗ >> Okay. So, our chief of police is not in

2:58:49 ↗ town to do the presentation on May 11th.

2:58:52 ↗ I'm just making that clear. Uh,

2:58:55 ↗ okay. Council member Joe,

2:58:58 ↗ >> thank you. Um,

2:59:00 ↗ former mayor Fred Butler said something

2:59:03 ↗ that kind of sticks in my mind. Um, if

2:59:06 ↗ you want it bad, you get it bad. And let

2:59:09 ↗ me just put that in context for you. Um,

2:59:12 ↗ if we push this up and we don't know the

2:59:16 ↗ full contents of the package,

2:59:19 ↗ it creates a situation where the public

2:59:22 ↗ doesn't know what's in the package and

2:59:24 ↗ they'll be bringing comments about the

2:59:25 ↗ whatifs,

2:59:27 ↗ the whatabouts, and not the package

2:59:29 ↗ itself. If we wait, I'm hearing from the

2:59:33 ↗ administration that they'll know what

2:59:35 ↗ they're going to put in that package.

2:59:38 ↗ uh because they're working on the

2:59:40 ↗ estimates. They're working on the the

2:59:42 ↗ how the the pieces will be put together

2:59:44 ↗ in there and we'll know whether or not

2:59:47 ↗ there's even an element of flot cameras

2:59:49 ↗ in there or not. Uh and if there is, how

2:59:53 ↗ much it is and why it's being brought

2:59:55 ↗ forward.

2:59:57 ↗ The last element is the the police chief

2:59:59 ↗ issue. Um

3:00:03 ↗ think about it. when you come into a new

3:00:05 ↗ job,

3:00:07 ↗ uh you've just been hired. Um, I would

3:00:11 ↗ want the flexibility to um

3:00:16 ↗ create and mold the funding that's going

3:00:19 ↗ to adhere to my vision of what I want to

3:00:22 ↗ see in this new job and then put that

3:00:26 ↗ out there for a conversation with the

3:00:28 ↗ council or whatever governing body it

3:00:30 ↗ might be a board of directors to work on

3:00:32 ↗ that vision together. So, it's a shared

3:00:34 ↗ vision with compromise going forward.

3:00:38 ↗ If we decide to not do the grant at all,

3:00:44 ↗ uh that flexibility is gone for the new

3:00:46 ↗ person. If we decide what we want to put

3:00:49 ↗ into that grant without the input from

3:00:52 ↗ the new person that's coming in, we've

3:00:54 ↗ straight jacketed that person for at

3:00:56 ↗ least a year on the vision they would

3:01:00 ↗ like to put forward before we've even

3:01:02 ↗ heard what vision they'd like to bring

3:01:04 ↗ forward.

3:01:06 ↗ That doesn't mean that their vision is

3:01:08 ↗ going to be what we're going to do. That

3:01:10 ↗ doesn't mean that our vision vision is

3:01:12 ↗ what we're going to do. But we're going

3:01:13 ↗ to work together to find out what that

3:01:16 ↗ vision is and in a collaborative fashion

3:01:19 ↗ to welcome that new candidate in the new

3:01:22 ↗ police chief in so that vision can be

3:01:25 ↗ one that's shared by everybody. Um,

3:01:30 ↗ justice delayed is justice denied was

3:01:34 ↗ something that was said during the

3:01:35 ↗ debate about my ancestors and their

3:01:38 ↗ internment in Menadoka.

3:01:42 ↗ Um, in this particular case, delaying it

3:01:45 ↗ and telling the community that we are

3:01:47 ↗ delaying it and why we're delaying it

3:01:49 ↗ and then telling them what um, date

3:01:53 ↗ certain we're going to bring it back.

3:01:55 ↗ It's got to come back before September,

3:01:56 ↗ but the administration will have a

3:01:58 ↗ better idea of saying this is the date

3:02:00 ↗ that we're going to bring it back. Um,

3:02:02 ↗ if people want to comment on it, these

3:02:04 ↗ are the ways that they can comment on

3:02:05 ↗ it. Here are the public hearing

3:02:08 ↗ potentials. Here are the public comment

3:02:10 ↗ potentials. They will know what's in the

3:02:12 ↗ package. They'll know what they're

3:02:13 ↗ commenting on. We will know what we're

3:02:16 ↗ talking about and moving forward. If we

3:02:18 ↗ bring it in too early, there's just too

3:02:20 ↗ much speculation that can go on. And if

3:02:24 ↗ you have speculation about let's say a

3:02:27 ↗ um drug center for needles, you can have

3:02:32 ↗ a discussion that goes till midnight

3:02:34 ↗ because people are talking about the

3:02:35 ↗ whatifs and the speculation, not talking

3:02:38 ↗ about what's actually in the package.

3:02:40 ↗ I'd be in favor of not supporting this

3:02:43 ↗ motion so that we could have a clear

3:02:44 ↗ picture from the administration from our

3:02:47 ↗ new police chief what is going in there.

3:02:49 ↗ flat cameras are not coming in between

3:02:51 ↗ now and the time that we're considering

3:02:53 ↗ this grant in any way, shape, or form.

3:02:55 ↗ We can tell our citizens that. We can

3:02:58 ↗ tell them that it's going to be

3:02:58 ↗ discussed on a date certain. And here's

3:03:00 ↗ what's in the package. Here's what's

3:03:02 ↗ going to be discussed. And then they can

3:03:04 ↗ give their input on the actual package

3:03:07 ↗ rather than on speculation as to what

3:03:10 ↗ might be in the package, which could

3:03:11 ↗ include anything and everything under

3:03:13 ↗ the sun, including drones that surveil

3:03:16 ↗ us

3:03:18 ↗ and are like the Terminator, just as an

3:03:20 ↗ extreme example. That could be in there,

3:03:22 ↗ too, from a person's point of view. So,

3:03:25 ↗ I would be in favor of of delaying this

3:03:28 ↗ until we can get a clear picture of what

3:03:29 ↗ is going to actually be in the package.

3:03:31 ↗ The administration, from what I

3:03:33 ↗ understand, is not prepared to tell us

3:03:35 ↗ what they're going to put in that

3:03:36 ↗ package because the estimates are not

3:03:37 ↗ there. We want to give the flexibility

3:03:39 ↗ to the police chief coming in. Um, I

3:03:41 ↗ would hope that we would delay this and

3:03:44 ↗ I'm not saying that we don't need to

3:03:46 ↗ discuss block cameras if it's in there.

3:03:48 ↗ We certainly need to have a robust

3:03:49 ↗ discussion, but I'm not in support of

3:03:51 ↗ the motion this evening. Thank you,

3:03:53 ↗ >> Deputy President Shank.

3:03:55 ↗ Um, so I think my take on this motion

3:03:59 ↗ is, you know, committee of the whole is

3:04:01 ↗ not about making a specific decision,

3:04:03 ↗ right? It's that this grant is going to

3:04:04 ↗ be brought to us and we're going to have

3:04:06 ↗ a conversation about it. I think it's

3:04:07 ↗ been brought up multiple times tonight,

3:04:09 ↗ you know, oh, the grant could cover a

3:04:11 ↗ bunch of different things. It would be,

3:04:12 ↗ I think, very helpful for me and also

3:04:15 ↗ probably for my fellow council members

3:04:16 ↗ to get a presentation on what all those

3:04:18 ↗ different things are just so that we're

3:04:19 ↗ actually on the same page because I

3:04:21 ↗ don't I mean, I think maybe I kind of

3:04:22 ↗ skimmed the grant, but I think we can

3:04:26 ↗ have a better conversation if we

3:04:28 ↗ actually understand what the grant

3:04:31 ↗ entails. And I don't think we've

3:04:33 ↗ actually gotten that yet. So, I think I

3:04:35 ↗ would support having that conversation,

3:04:37 ↗ you know, as a committee of the whole so

3:04:39 ↗ that we can actually cuz if if the topic

3:04:41 ↗ is, you know, okay, we're getting this

3:04:43 ↗ federal grant, what can we do with it? I

3:04:45 ↗ think we can discuss a few of the

3:04:47 ↗ different things, you know, what we put

3:04:48 ↗ in there, what it could potentially be

3:04:50 ↗ used for, and give some general guidance

3:04:51 ↗ on how to move forward. That doesn't

3:04:53 ↗ because it's committee of the whole,

3:04:54 ↗ that doesn't necessarily preclude us

3:04:56 ↗ from, you know, waiting for the new

3:04:58 ↗ police chief to be hired to actually

3:05:00 ↗ make a decision. It just gives us the

3:05:02 ↗ opportunity to actually understand what

3:05:04 ↗ is in the grant, which I think we've all

3:05:06 ↗ kind of been having these conversations

3:05:08 ↗ about. And I think even for those of us

3:05:09 ↗ on the council, I think would be very

3:05:11 ↗ helpful to actually understand what the

3:05:13 ↗ grant is and what it is not. Um, and

3:05:16 ↗ also, you know, there have been times

3:05:18 ↗ when we've had multiple committee of the

3:05:19 ↗ whole meetings on a specific topic,

3:05:21 ↗ right? This could just be a first touch

3:05:22 ↗ of, okay, here's what the grant is,

3:05:24 ↗ here's what the proposal is so far. We

3:05:26 ↗ could tweak it in this way or the other

3:05:28 ↗ way. But again, you know, I think it's

3:05:30 ↗ important for us to actually have a

3:05:31 ↗ clear understanding of what that is.

3:05:33 ↗ Even if we don't have, you know, the

3:05:35 ↗ cost estimates on every specific

3:05:37 ↗ component, I think it would be really

3:05:39 ↗ helpful for us to get an actual

3:05:40 ↗ presentation on it. So, I will be

3:05:42 ↗ supporting this.

3:05:44 ↗ >> Council member Dair. Oh, council member

3:05:46 ↗ White Boy.

3:05:48 ↗ I was largely going to say that I'm

3:05:50 ↗ interested in discussing this at the

3:05:53 ↗ council of the whole um because we're we

3:05:58 ↗ don't have to make a decision at that

3:06:00 ↗ meeting. I think it would be very

3:06:01 ↗ beneficial to discuss it and my

3:06:06 ↗ understanding which is very rocky

3:06:07 ↗ because of how new I am is that uh this

3:06:10 ↗ isn't too much earlier than the original

3:06:13 ↗ timeline that we were the council was

3:06:16 ↗ going to discuss this issue or uh have

3:06:20 ↗ it on the agenda more. So, I very much

3:06:23 ↗ hear the administrative concerns about,

3:06:26 ↗ you know, needing time to get all the

3:06:28 ↗ right details, but um

3:06:31 ↗ I think the community would benefit from

3:06:32 ↗ us discussing it with what we have,

3:06:36 ↗ especially if we are open about

3:06:40 ↗ we will be

3:06:43 ↗ getting more details

3:06:45 ↗ uh in the future. But for now, let's

3:06:47 ↗ start this conversation.

3:06:50 ↗ Council

3:06:51 ↗ member Dair.

3:06:53 ↗ >> Um yeah, so um I wanted to echo echo uh

3:06:56 ↗ Deputy President Jiang's points that in

3:06:58 ↗ the committee of the whole we get to

3:06:59 ↗ discuss something in all its details

3:07:02 ↗ similar to the uh the parks levy renewal

3:07:05 ↗ we talked about. And while we didn't

3:07:06 ↗ like remove one of the proposed projects

3:07:09 ↗ during that meeting, we could have said,

3:07:10 ↗ "Oh, we don't like that project. Don't

3:07:13 ↗ include that in your ongoing work on

3:07:15 ↗ this levy." Similarly, with this

3:07:17 ↗ package, we not deciding on the grant as

3:07:19 ↗ a whole, but we could say, "Okay, we

3:07:21 ↗ like these elements of it." And as you

3:07:22 ↗ continue to have these conversations and

3:07:24 ↗ build it, we like these things, we don't

3:07:26 ↗ like these things, and that be part of

3:07:28 ↗ that conversation. And so I do think

3:07:30 ↗ this is a good time and place to start

3:07:32 ↗ having those and to help to help um

3:07:36 ↗ inform the new chief when they do get

3:07:38 ↗ there and they are building this package

3:07:40 ↗ of what they want to do and what they

3:07:41 ↗ see for our police force. They have the

3:07:44 ↗ inputs from us already of the things

3:07:46 ↗ that we support, the things we feel the

3:07:49 ↗ community supports. And so I feel like

3:07:51 ↗ we can have this conversation now to

3:07:53 ↗ discuss it. We're not necessarily voting

3:07:55 ↗ on the grant, but we're trying to inform

3:07:57 ↗ it in terms of how it will be built,

3:07:59 ↗ similar to how we build other things.

3:08:06 ↗ >> Okay, Mr. Mayor.

3:08:07 ↗ >> Yes. Just to try to clarify. So, we have

3:08:11 ↗ submitted a grant. We can come and we

3:08:13 ↗ can share orally. We've already shared

3:08:16 ↗ the documents with the council, but we

3:08:17 ↗ can share for the community. This is

3:08:20 ↗ what the the notice was that we

3:08:22 ↗ responded to. this is what we proposed

3:08:25 ↗ and then we have received notification

3:08:26 ↗ that we've received

3:08:28 ↗ the grant with a dollar amount and so

3:08:30 ↗ the next step to that is to negotiate a

3:08:33 ↗ grant agreement with the federal

3:08:35 ↗ government which we have not yet done so

3:08:37 ↗ and we will not have done by the 11th so

3:08:40 ↗ really

3:08:40 ↗ >> we don't even have a draft right now

3:08:42 ↗ just so everyone is clear like okay

3:08:44 ↗ >> so we will basically share what we've

3:08:47 ↗ already shared which is this is what was

3:08:49 ↗ the request and it was a request from

3:08:51 ↗ Congresswoman Shrier's office. Um, and

3:08:53 ↗ then what we submitted as an application

3:08:56 ↗ and that's what we'll share

3:08:59 ↗ and the council can comment,

3:09:02 ↗ I guess, as you like. As we've said,

3:09:04 ↗ we're trying to get a a better sense of

3:09:07 ↗ the uh the cost associated with the

3:09:10 ↗ tasers. Uh, that those are it's a larger

3:09:13 ↗ dollar amount. It's a fixed dollar

3:09:14 ↗ amount. Um, we got a proposal that was

3:09:17 ↗ received when we put the grant together.

3:09:19 ↗ We have gone back to the manufacturer to

3:09:22 ↗ get an an updated cost. We have yet to

3:09:24 ↗ receive that. So, we'll share what we

3:09:26 ↗ have at the time. Um, but then that

3:09:29 ↗ would be as far as we would go. Is that

3:09:31 ↗ my understanding? At the committee, the

3:09:32 ↗ whole and get whatever input you have on

3:09:35 ↗ the grant that we submitted

3:09:38 ↗ a year ago.

3:09:40 ↗ >> Deputy President Jang and then President

3:09:42 ↗ Mart.

3:09:44 ↗ >> Yeah, I mean, I think that's aligned

3:09:46 ↗ with what I was thinking. Um any

3:09:49 ↗ additional detail you're able to share

3:09:51 ↗ on you know like is there any

3:09:52 ↗ flexibility you know here's what we

3:09:54 ↗ applied for the grant for my

3:09:58 ↗ is there any flexibility and you know

3:09:59 ↗ what we can spend it on um to the extent

3:10:02 ↗ you're able to share that and just like

3:10:03 ↗ share a snapshot of where we're at in

3:10:05 ↗ the process. I think that would be

3:10:06 ↗ helpful just from the perspective of

3:10:08 ↗ transparency since that's what we've

3:10:10 ↗ been hearing a lot about from our

3:10:11 ↗ community.

3:10:12 ↗ >> Okay. And I think Rachel we know we have

3:10:14 ↗ flexibility right now. Right. Well, we

3:10:15 ↗ don't I don't know because I don't have

3:10:17 ↗ an agreement to look at. So, until I get

3:10:20 ↗ a document from the federal government

3:10:21 ↗ that's has the rules and restrictions in

3:10:23 ↗ it. I can't say that with certainty.

3:10:25 ↗ That's the way most of it work. Most of

3:10:27 ↗ it works. It's it's listed in the

3:10:29 ↗ federal appropriations bill as as taser

3:10:32 ↗ equipment. It's not or as I think bodywn

3:10:35 ↗ camera equipment because it's a a it's

3:10:38 ↗ equipment that links the bodywn camera

3:10:40 ↗ to your taser discharge. So, I know

3:10:43 ↗ that's not the bulk of the the funding.

3:10:46 ↗ I can't imagine that they wouldn't say,

3:10:48 ↗ "Oh, you can take it looks like

3:10:50 ↗ approximately

3:10:52 ↗ 380,000

3:10:55 ↗ $85,000 of the $342,000

3:10:58 ↗ is for the taser equipment. So, it's

3:11:01 ↗ $75,000 that's for the ALPR system." I

3:11:04 ↗ can't imagine that they wouldn't say,

3:11:06 ↗ "Oh, you don't you just don't have to

3:11:07 ↗ take the whole thing and you can take,

3:11:09 ↗ you know, whatever the amount is for the

3:11:12 ↗ tasers." And I I I imagine that will be

3:11:15 ↗ okay. That is the way it is with pretty

3:11:18 ↗ much most grant agreements I've ever

3:11:20 ↗ read, but I won't be able to give you

3:11:21 ↗ that certainty on May 11th unless I see

3:11:25 ↗ the contract.

3:11:28 ↗ >> Council President Marts.

3:11:31 ↗ So I understand the argument that um by

3:11:35 ↗ talking about it at committee of the

3:11:37 ↗ whole uh you're it's not the point we're

3:11:40 ↗ not making necessarily a decision uh at

3:11:43 ↗ that first committee of the whole.

3:11:45 ↗ Nevertheless, at some point somewhere

3:11:47 ↗ here before September, we'll have to

3:11:49 ↗ make a decision. And I think we owe it

3:11:52 ↗ to ourselves to what we've not heard

3:11:56 ↗ thus far in this conversation at all is

3:11:58 ↗ why our police force wants ALPRs.

3:12:01 ↗ Uh we haven't heard why cities like Kent

3:12:04 ↗ and Auburn are very happy having ALPRs.

3:12:07 ↗ Um, I think that there's a conversation

3:12:11 ↗ um to the extent that there are specific

3:12:13 ↗ concerns that we've heard around things

3:12:15 ↗ like uh protection of folks in domestic

3:12:18 ↗ violence and in areas like uh local uh

3:12:23 ↗ database control. Um, I think that we

3:12:26 ↗ want to hear um what's the

3:12:28 ↗ state-of-the-art in that and I think

3:12:30 ↗ that we probably want to hear um the

3:12:32 ↗ state versus Simson decision uh around

3:12:35 ↗ the fourth amendment and uh its

3:12:37 ↗ relationship to ALPRs here in Washington

3:12:39 ↗ state uh to address that concern that

3:12:41 ↗ we've heard from the public. So that's

3:12:43 ↗ all I believe those things should all be

3:12:46 ↗ discussed before we make a decision

3:12:48 ↗ whether that occurs at the next cow

3:12:50 ↗ meeting or a cow meeting after that or

3:12:52 ↗ whatever. Um I think we would be doing a

3:12:55 ↗ disservice

3:12:57 ↗ um merely because we have heard uh a lot

3:13:02 ↗ of public concern with this technology.

3:13:05 ↗ I don't think that's the the end of the

3:13:07 ↗ conversation. I think it's up I think

3:13:09 ↗ it's beholden to us um to ask for a good

3:13:12 ↗ understanding of to the best that we can

3:13:15 ↗ of the concerns that we've heard before

3:13:16 ↗ we make a decision. Thank you,

3:13:19 ↗ >> Council Member Walsh.

3:13:21 ↗ >> Thank you. Um, I would be interested in

3:13:25 ↗ hearing why the police department

3:13:27 ↗ applied for this grant, why they thought

3:13:29 ↗ these particular technologies would be

3:13:32 ↗ interesting to them. That's

3:13:35 ↗ a piece of the puzzle and I would expect

3:13:39 ↗ with any presentation to the city

3:13:42 ↗ council on a potential grant, it would

3:13:44 ↗ be why did we seek this grant? What were

3:13:47 ↗ we trying to solve? So that makes sense

3:13:50 ↗ um from my perspective on that. My goal

3:13:55 ↗ in this is to create a date certain and

3:13:59 ↗ public transparency. all of the

3:14:01 ↗ information that we have been talking

3:14:03 ↗ about thus far, the fact that there are

3:14:05 ↗ tasers involved in this uh potential

3:14:09 ↗ grant, the fact that this came from

3:14:10 ↗ Congresswoman Shrier's office, the fact

3:14:12 ↗ that our police department applied for

3:14:15 ↗ it in 2025, all of that is information

3:14:17 ↗ that we have as city council members

3:14:21 ↗ that the public does not have. And so

3:14:24 ↗ the goal here at the very very minimum

3:14:29 ↗ is to have a meeting where there is

3:14:32 ↗ public information shared about this

3:14:35 ↗ potential grant opportunity.

3:14:38 ↗ What that could include, why we applied

3:14:41 ↗ for it, and what the city council and

3:14:43 ↗ the community's perspectives are on

3:14:46 ↗ that. And I think council member Adair's

3:14:48 ↗ point of, hey, if we came into this,

3:14:52 ↗ just like if we had a potential

3:14:54 ↗ sustainability grant and you came to

3:14:57 ↗ city council and said, look, do you want

3:14:59 ↗ us to focus more on

3:15:02 ↗ um solar panels or more on a

3:15:06 ↗ communityoriented set of heat pumps? We

3:15:09 ↗ could provide that perspective and that

3:15:11 ↗ keeps you from going down a path of

3:15:14 ↗ trying to solve two different things if

3:15:17 ↗ the decision-making body which is the

3:15:20 ↗ seven of us up here

3:15:22 ↗ have a perspective particularly as

3:15:25 ↗ informed by the community. So I I think

3:15:29 ↗ there is the potential that this could

3:15:31 ↗ save the administration time and effort

3:15:34 ↗ if we are able to daylight some of these

3:15:38 ↗ pieces of information and feedback

3:15:40 ↗ early.

3:15:45 ↗ >> Council member Nichols,

3:15:49 ↗ >> the other point on this that I think has

3:15:51 ↗ been brought up a couple times is that

3:15:52 ↗ this doesn't have to be the only time we

3:15:54 ↗ have this conversation. Um, I I think

3:15:57 ↗ it's highly unlikely that if we were to

3:15:59 ↗ bring block cameras into Isqua, we would

3:16:01 ↗ only want a single conversation on it.

3:16:03 ↗ Um, I think we will want multiple and

3:16:06 ↗ it's I appreciate that we don't know

3:16:08 ↗ everything we would want to know at the

3:16:09 ↗ moment. Um, and that we the

3:16:10 ↗ administration doesn't have everyone

3:16:12 ↗ present who to who could present it

3:16:14 ↗ because they haven't been hired. Um,

3:16:16 ↗ those are all valid points. Nonetheless,

3:16:18 ↗ it's not that we know nothing. We do

3:16:20 ↗ have a good amount that we do know. We

3:16:22 ↗ know as has been brought up that we

3:16:23 ↗ applied for this grant. We know what the

3:16:25 ↗ grant says. We know what the

3:16:26 ↗ justifications for it were in that

3:16:27 ↗ grant. Um,

3:16:30 ↗ and that is of course all somewhat

3:16:33 ↗ public, but it's hard to access unless

3:16:35 ↗ you really know what you're looking for.

3:16:37 ↗ So making that clear and clearly

3:16:39 ↗ available would I think be a good

3:16:41 ↗ minimum first step there. Um, and if

3:16:43 ↗ there's more that the administration has

3:16:44 ↗ the time to acquire by that point,

3:16:46 ↗ whether it's quotes, whether it's a more

3:16:49 ↗ informed perspective, um, based on an an

3:16:52 ↗ advocate within the administration who

3:16:53 ↗ wants to make a case one way or the

3:16:55 ↗ other, um, or whether it's federal

3:16:57 ↗ contract language if we receive that,

3:16:59 ↗ those would all be nice to have to add

3:17:00 ↗ on. But I do expect we will have

3:17:02 ↗ additional conversations on this in the

3:17:04 ↗ future. And this isn't a rush. Like,

3:17:06 ↗ this is a first touch at a conversation

3:17:08 ↗ that shouldn't be rushed. Um, and we

3:17:10 ↗ have plenty of time to have multiple

3:17:11 ↗ conversations to that end.

3:17:15 ↗ >> Council member,

3:17:17 ↗ >> uh, I don't have much more to add. Uh,

3:17:19 ↗ council members Walsh Nichols racisely

3:17:20 ↗ said what I was wanting to say in that I

3:17:22 ↗ feel like the point of this isn't

3:17:24 ↗ necessarily for you to have everything

3:17:26 ↗ about this final agreement but to have

3:17:28 ↗ everything that has brought us to this

3:17:30 ↗ point and what next steps you are

3:17:32 ↗ working on what you are thinking of it

3:17:34 ↗ because clearly the grant had some you

3:17:35 ↗ know components to it technologies in it

3:17:38 ↗ and you know this is coming from the new

3:17:41 ↗ person that and I wasn't in these prior

3:17:43 ↗ meetings that I don't know all that and

3:17:44 ↗ I'm here a lot of it is hearsay and I

3:17:47 ↗ feel that the And now and I feel that

3:17:49 ↗ the public really demands this and I

3:17:51 ↗ think so that's why I do think we need

3:17:53 ↗ to have this upfront. Here is where

3:17:55 ↗ everything is. Here is where what we

3:17:57 ↗ found out. Here's what has been approved

3:17:59 ↗ or not approved and here's where the

3:18:00 ↗ next steps will be. Um and so recognize

3:18:03 ↗ you won't have a full contract but that

3:18:04 ↗ you can kind of get us to get us to that

3:18:07 ↗ day of where everything is and we can

3:18:09 ↗ present that discuss that and then

3:18:10 ↗ figure out the next steps.

3:18:13 ↗ >> And Mr. Mayor. So again, I want to make

3:18:15 ↗ sure that when we do have the

3:18:16 ↗ conversation that everyone's on the same

3:18:18 ↗ page of what we're coming back with. So

3:18:21 ↗ um we will bring the notice that we

3:18:24 ↗ responded to. We will bring the

3:18:27 ↗ application. Uh we will have the

3:18:30 ↗ justification

3:18:31 ↗ uh from the department. Uh I think it

3:18:33 ↗ would also be useful for us to review

3:18:35 ↗ the previous council discussion because

3:18:38 ↗ the reality of how this all happened was

3:18:41 ↗ the discussion that occurred in service

3:18:43 ↗ to safety and parks and then the

3:18:45 ↗ discussion that occurred with the full

3:18:46 ↗ city council uh last July where the

3:18:50 ↗ council uh I think and we'll have to go

3:18:52 ↗ back and watch the tape to get the

3:18:54 ↗ actual words but certainly the

3:18:56 ↗ impression that was left to the police

3:18:57 ↗ department staff after the July

3:18:59 ↗ discussion was sure this is really

3:19:01 ↗ interesting but there's no money. And so

3:19:03 ↗ I think the impetus for the police staff

3:19:06 ↗ to actually file this application was

3:19:10 ↗ the discussion in July from the council

3:19:11 ↗ that said, "Yeah, this is a good idea,

3:19:13 ↗ but we don't have the money right now."

3:19:15 ↗ So we want to make sure we'll go back

3:19:16 ↗ and and include those uh pertinent

3:19:20 ↗ portions. I off the top of my head, I

3:19:22 ↗ think it was two discussions. It came

3:19:23 ↗ out of service to safety and parks. I

3:19:25 ↗ think it then came back to the council.

3:19:27 ↗ So it may have be a third discussion

3:19:29 ↗ because there absolutely was a

3:19:30 ↗ discussion in July where we said is this

3:19:33 ↗ something that the council wants to

3:19:34 ↗ allocate funds for. The council said no

3:19:37 ↗ we're we're concerned about where we are

3:19:39 ↗ uh in the current fiscal year. Uh we

3:19:42 ↗ don't want to do that. Uh and I think

3:19:43 ↗ that from that point on is when the

3:19:46 ↗ department said okay great we'll go find

3:19:47 ↗ the money if the council uh doesn't have

3:19:50 ↗ the money but is not objecting at that

3:19:52 ↗ point with what was known. That's what

3:19:54 ↗ brought that. So, we'll go back and get

3:19:56 ↗ the tapes and and share for those

3:19:58 ↗ members who were not on the council for

3:20:00 ↗ those discussions to at least have the

3:20:02 ↗ benefit of what the staff heard from the

3:20:05 ↗ council in those discussions. So, that

3:20:07 ↗ will be what we bring back on the 11th.

3:20:09 ↗ That makes sense for everyone.

3:20:13 ↗ Great.

3:20:16 ↗ Okay. Yeah. And to reiterate, I think

3:20:18 ↗ what we just heard from city

3:20:19 ↗ administrator Tullah's point, I think a

3:20:22 ↗ lot of the issues that council president

3:20:24 ↗ Martz brought up will not we're not

3:20:26 ↗ going to be in a we're not going to have

3:20:28 ↗ the time to kind of bring those

3:20:29 ↗ arguments forward on May 11th, but I

3:20:31 ↗ think as the city administrator

3:20:33 ↗ described, we'll bring forward kind of

3:20:34 ↗ the factual information that we do have

3:20:36 ↗ and uh and go from there. So, there's no

3:20:38 ↗ further discussion, the motion from the

3:20:39 ↗ council.

3:20:40 ↗ >> Oh, council member Joe. Um, I'm always

3:20:42 ↗ curious if we devote time to this

3:20:45 ↗ between now and May 11th, what are we

3:20:48 ↗ not going to be able to address or what

3:20:50 ↗ will go off the plan if anything on the

3:20:53 ↗ administration side?

3:20:56 ↗ Much of the information is already

3:20:58 ↗ gathered. I think the piece that we'll

3:21:00 ↗ have to go back is to get uh a precise

3:21:03 ↗ uh documentation of the council's

3:21:06 ↗ discussions on this because I think

3:21:07 ↗ through the discussions I've heard this

3:21:09 ↗ evening, you want to know why this

3:21:11 ↗ happened. And I think a part of why this

3:21:13 ↗ happened was the discussions that the

3:21:15 ↗ city council had in the spring and

3:21:17 ↗ summer last year, which certainly was

3:21:20 ↗ different than the discussions that are

3:21:22 ↗ happening now. And so I think just for

3:21:23 ↗ the record, we want to make sure that

3:21:26 ↗ the community is aware of the council's

3:21:28 ↗ previous discussions on this topic that

3:21:30 ↗ this just didn't come out of the blue

3:21:33 ↗ that there were discussions last year.

3:21:35 ↗ So we'll include that as well. So I I

3:21:37 ↗ that's the only part that will require

3:21:38 ↗ some work and we've got a couple of

3:21:40 ↗ weeks uh to do that. Again, it was two

3:21:42 ↗ or three meetings.

3:21:45 ↗ The clerk's office will help us

3:21:47 ↗ determine that pretty quickly.

3:21:51 ↗ >> Okay. Okay. So, there's no further

3:21:52 ↗ discussion. The motion from the council

3:21:54 ↗ is to direct the mayor city

3:21:55 ↗ administration to place the topic of the

3:21:56 ↗ congressional community appropriations

3:21:58 ↗ grant and the proposed automated license

3:22:00 ↗ plate reader camera program on the

3:22:01 ↗ agenda for the council committee the

3:22:02 ↗ whole meeting on May 11th, 2026,

3:22:05 ↗ including a full staff briefing and

3:22:06 ↗ opportunity for council discussion. All

3:22:09 ↗ those in favor, please say I. I.

3:22:12 ↗ >> I. I.

3:22:13 ↗ >> All those opposed, no.

3:22:17 ↗ And that passes 5 to 2. And

3:22:22 ↗ I'd like to announce the following

3:22:23 ↗ upcoming council meetings. Uh Monday,

3:22:25 ↗ April 27th, the joint meeting with the

3:22:27 ↗ city council and the Isqua school board

3:22:28 ↗ is at 6 p.m. Yes, we will have typhoon

3:22:31 ↗ uh from our favorite tie place across

3:22:32 ↗ the street here. This will be the Isqua

3:22:34 ↗ senior center. Uh

3:22:36 ↗ anticipated agenda items. Welcome in

3:22:38 ↗ team building. Yes, that's an agenda

3:22:41 ↗ item. We have a squad development

3:22:43 ↗ update, growth projections.

3:22:45 ↗ uh updates on activities issues for ISC

3:22:47 ↗ schools located in Isakiqua update of

3:22:49 ↗ the new high school and the joint use

3:22:51 ↗ agreement with the parks department. Uh

3:22:53 ↗ the next regular city council meeting is

3:22:55 ↗ Monday, May 4th. Anticipate agenda items

3:22:57 ↗ are the city council rules and

3:22:58 ↗ procedures ad hoc committee report out

3:23:00 ↗ the public records act training. Get

3:23:02 ↗ excited.

3:23:04 ↗ The always exciting public records act.

3:23:06 ↗ I know our city clerk is really excited

3:23:08 ↗ for that training. And uh there's no

3:23:11 ↗ further business. This meeting is

3:23:13 ↗ adjourned at 10:23

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