Aha, the magic red light has appeared.
Welcome everyone. I'm going to call the
April 20th city council meeting to order
tonight. Everyone is here. There is no
excused absences. And tonight's agenda
is a little different than normal due to
the appointment of the vacancy occurring
later in this meeting after new
business. Is there any objection to the
agenda as presented?
And hearing none, the next item on the
agenda is the pledge of allegiance. I
welcome you to join me in the pledge of
allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
>> The next item of business is
administrative professionals day and we
would like to invite the following
members of Isqua staff. I think we have
Sheree, Michelle, Alicia, Bill, and
Lindsay here to the podium.
Lindsay's final words to me this morning
is, I'm not going to be the one talking,
but I just heard that she's going to be
the one talking. So whereas
administrative professionals day is
observed annually in workplaces around
the world to recognize the important
contributions of administrative support
staff and whereas administrative
professionals play an essential role in
coordinating the office and governmental
operations of the city of Isiqua and
whereas administrative professionals are
vital contributors in today's team
oriented work environment are key
frontline public relation ambassadors
for their organizations and whereas the
work of administrative professionals
today requires advanced knowledge and
expertise in communications computer
software office technology
project management, organization,
customer service, and other vital office
management responsibilities. Most
importantly, have the willingness to
learn and accept new challenges. Now,
therefore, I'm Mark Mullet, mayor of the
city of Isqua to recognize Wednesday,
April 22nd, 2026 as administrative
professionals day in the city of
Isiziqua, and I invite the community to
join me in thanking the city's
administrative professionals for their
service and outstanding contributions.
My own mom was the office manager of my
local elementary school for 25 years.
So, this has always been a a fun day in
our house where treats were brought
home. But, okay, Lindsay, I know you're
so excited to speak. Here you go.
>> Uh, thank you, mayor, and thank you for
acknowledging administrative
professionals and for highlighting the
important role that we play in
supporting day-to-day operations and
keeping the city running efficiently. We
appreciate this recognition of the work
we do for the Isco community. Thanks.
>> Okay, photo shoot time. Photo shoot.
>> One second. One second. Okay, here we
go.
>> Council member to solve bills,
right?
>> I'm 0 for 28 at this point, but
The next item of business is audience
comments. Those you sign up advance,
you'll be called on first. If you're
joining virtually, you can raise your
virtual hand. Those on the phone can
press star three. If you're not in the
if you're in the room but did not sign
up, there will be an opportunity to
raise your hand at the end. And the
rough time estimate here is 3 to 5
minutes. We do say there's nothing wrong
with brevity during audience comments.
Brevity gets bonus points, not negative
energy. And please realize it's not a
dialogue back and forth. We just want to
hear from members of the community about
concerns. And Madame Clerk, is there
anybody signed up to speak during
audience comments? And there is. Madam
clerk, go ahead.
All right. Uh, the first one is Nicholas
Herang.
Hi there. Um, so I am a lifetime
Isakiqua resident and because of this I
am deeply opposed to Isakiqua
implementing flock cameras uh in the
city limits or any sort of automatic
license plate readers. Uh flock cameras
pose a risk to the security and privacy
of residents and the risk is not evenly
distributed. Um people of color,
low-income individuals, LGBTQ plus
community members, people seeking
reproductive care and especially
immigrants carry that higher risk. There
are many documented cases of ICE using
flot cameras to track and target people
and I want Isiqua to remain safe to
everyone who wants to live and visit the
city. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you very much. And
we'll try to well we usually try to hold
applause the uh and just yeah please
state your name and your relationship or
or to the city and that could just be
your address or a business and madam
clerk. Next, Lesie Crer.
Good evening. My name is Lesie Crer and
I live at 22537
Southeast 42nd Terrace. Thank you for
the opportunity to make a public comment
um on the Flock surveillance cameras. My
understanding is that under flock
contracts, ICE can possibly get backdoor
access to surveillance data without
explicit permission. Also, with the AI
type system flocks using details such as
car color or other specifics can be
logged. My concern is with privacy, data
security, and data sharing. Senator Ron
Weiden of Oregon recently noted that 75%
of Flock's law enforcement customers are
part of a national lookup program and
this tool allows them to share
information with any customer also
enrolled in the lookup program. This
doesn't feel like um data security to
me. I would like to request that Mayor
Mullet and the city council get the uh
get the issue of flock cameras into a
public agenda with a clear timeline for
a decision. This would allow for
transparency in full view of an informed
public and allow our most vulnerable
neighbors to be aware and prepared.
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.
>> Thank you very much. Uh,
Madam Clerk,
>> Alistair Brewer.
Here we go. Alistister Brewer, Isqua
resident since 1997.
Um,
uh, excuse me. Uh my wife and I have
been Isquid residents since 1997. We
have raised our now adult kids here and
are very concerned about public safety
and protecting the rights of residents.
I'm here because considering technology
that carries risks far beyond what most
residents realize. Uh flock automated
license plate readers. Supporters will
say that the cameras are harmless
because the city can opt out of sharing
data with federal agencies. Uh but
reporting shows that does not stop
federal access. According to an NPR
investigation, uh, federal agencies,
including ICE, routinely obtained flock
data through subpoenas and bench
warrants, even when local jurisdictions
explicitly refused to share. The uh,
articles describe multiple cases where
ICE accessed ALPR data from cities that
believe they had walled themselves off.
Once the data exists, federal agencies
can and do get it. Uh these systems
create a continuous form of automated
surveillance that courts have repeatedly
said raises Fourth Amendment issues. Uh
Carpenter versus United States and other
cases have ruled that long-term
aggregated tracking of a person's
movements constitutes a search requiring
fullthour amendment protections.
These networks that track vehicles
across cities, counties, and states
create exactly the kind of persistent
surveillance those rulings warned about.
when the government can reconstruct a
person's movements over days, weeks, or
months, that crosses a constitutional
line. Uh yet, despite that, the current
federal administration has increasingly
relied on administrative warrants, not
judicial bench warrants to obtain data.
Administrative warrants are not reviewed
by a judge, and they do not meet the
Fourth Amendment standard.
Uh when national leaders use rhetoric
labeling political opponents as
terrorists,
it raises the stakes of any surveillance
system because once a group is labeled a
threat, surveillance tools tend to be
turned on them. History shows this again
and again. Flock's own technology, their
own website boasts that the system can
identify vehicle make, model, color,
unique decals, and even bumper stickers.
So that means that political expression
on your car becomes data in a searchable
law enforcement database. In a moment
where political speech is being
demonized, that should give every Isqua
resident pause. Isqua does not need to
join this network and we do not need to
expose our residents to federal
surveillance that they never consented
to. I urge the council to reject flock
cameras and choose a path that protects
both public safety and civil liberties.
Thank you.
>> Thank you.
And if you do agree, you can just raise
your hand at the end as well because
like I said, our our tradition here is
we try to avoid having clapping after
audience remarks. Uh
Madame Clerk,
>> Karen Ellis,
>> you turned it off.
>> Cool.
>> Now you're back on.
>> Thanks. Um, dear city council members
and mayor Mola and our my and my
neighbors, my name is Karen Ellis and I
have been a resident of Isiqua for 10
years at 630 Southeast Kramer Place.
I've also been a small business owner in
Isiziqua. I'm a therapist and trust is
really important to me and is the
cornerstone of my practice. And without
trust, I wouldn't be able to work. And I
want to trust my local government that
they have my best interest in mind and
the best interest of my neighbors. I
want to trust that everyone is welcome
and that my city prioritizes the trust
and the neighbors and the people who
live there. I cannot trust a government
that primary support goes to
corporations such as Target, REI, and
large businesses that can afford their
own security for merchandise loss. After
the grant from Flock that I know is been
offered, who's going to pay for the
extra costs? Because I don't want to and
I don't want my neighbors to have to pay
for it either. Um, as individuals have
mentioned uh before me, there's a cost
to surveillance. My personal data pays a
price and my neighbors personal data
pays a price and anyone that drives
through is aqua will pay that price too.
And I know there are numerous other
towns and cities in the area who have
flock and people don't shop there. I
don't shop there. Redmond has been
suspended or is suspending and
reconsidering their flock. Um, and I
want to trust the city council members
have considered the potential loss of
business as well as the aspects of
personal data being used against us. Um,
um, so just think very hard about whose
trust you actually need, the community's
trust or large corporations that only
care about their bottom line. As a
therapist and small business owner, I
hope trust means as much to you all as
it does to me. Thank you for your time.
Thank you very much. Oh, this is good.
We're making progress. I like it. Uh,
Madam Clerk,
>> Ren Liss.
>> Hi, I'm Ren Liss. Uh, I'm a resident at
218 Northeast Dogwood Street. I'm also a
property owner and a business owner
within Isiqua. Um, I also oppose block
cameras for many of the reasons
presented so far. As the daughter of an
immigrant, I very much oppose any
surveillance that puts our neighbors at
risk. Um, as a woman who has been a
survivor of domestic violence. I
definitely oppose flock and the capacity
for anyone who knows me and knows my
car, they can get my license plate. I
can't keep that secret. It is personally
identifiable information that can be
used outside of flock to track my my
whereabouts, where I work, where I live,
um
anywhere I go. Um I find that deeply
concerning not just for myself but for
others.
Um on top of that, flock itself has not
been following its own parameters of not
accessing cameras. um that was
demonstrated in them showing cameras
that included minors uh without the
consent of the business owners to a
potential client. Those minors were also
young women, young girls who were in
gymnastics attire and potentially
swimsuits. Like that is a a wild lapse
of judgment to begin with and in
opposition to their own policies stated
in the facts on the web. Um, I think
that is enough.
Um, my concerns run deeper. I would urge
you to, um, vote quickly and swiftly to
not implement flock. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much.
>> Great success. Madam clerk,
>> Julie Carr.
>> Good evening. My name is Julie Carr. I
live here in Isiqua. I live in the
Sycamore neighborhood and I just wanted
to add my comment as well tonight just
um urging a public um discussion of the
flock camera proposals as soon as
possible. I don't feel that it benefits
us to delay that conversation.
Um these are proposed and it seems to be
waiting in the wings. I personally um am
interested in us understanding whether
this is truly a wise choice for Isiqua.
I doubt that and I think the only way we
can really have a good conversation
about it is if we put it on an agenda
and move forward as soon as possible. Um
I am concerned about the public um
publicly stated business development
plans, ambitions and uh behaviors of the
flock corporation. Uh I know there are
other corporations that also have
similar cameras. I also have concerns
there as well.
Uh it seems like it's uh something that
many people are concerned about and I
just urge um efforts right away. Thank
you.
>> Thank you very much, Madam Clerk.
>> Chandra Ryder.
>> And we see you in the back raise your
hand. We'll get to you once the people
who signed up. We will make sure
Oh, okay.
>> Good evening. My name is Shandra. I am a
current Isqua resident. My spouse and I
live in the Talis neighborhood. I work
for a large global Fortune 100 company
based here in Isiqua. And 10 years ago,
I married the love of my life up the
street at Tivotsz Creek Manor. I live in
Isiqua. I work in Isiqua. I do most of
my shopping in Isqua. And I received
most of my healthcare in Isiqua. I am
proud to call Isqua home. So, it
concerned me recently to learn that last
year the Isqua Police Department and
City of Isiqua applied for and received
a DOJ grant to, among other things,
install 12 plot cameras across the city.
The proposed location of these cameras
would capture vehicle data on every car
entering, driving through, and leaving
Isqua daily. I am a former security
professional with more than 10 years of
experience in asset protection,
corporate security, and alarm
monitoring.
Two years ago, I helped my current
employer move their in-house self-hosted
alarm monitoring system to a cloud-based
service similar to Block. Cloud-based
alarm systems and video monitoring
services have revolutionized the once
niche industry that was out of reach for
most businesses and homeowners.
Self-hosted and monitoring solutions are
more secure than cloud-based ones. They
are installed, operated, and maintained
on-site. They require trained personnel
to operate and maintain. Historically,
they have been cost prohibitive and hard
to implement. So, large entities were
the only ones that had the resources and
personnel to do it. Cloud-based systems,
on the other hand, like Flock, operate
on a different model. Data is stored
off-site in data centers across the US.
Flock handles the installation,
maintenance, and IT work. Taking the
burden of installation and maintenance
off the entity. Their main selling point
for their LPR system is no IT, no
wiring, no hassle. What you give up for
the convenience and hassle is privacy
and control.
Block and services like it are the
Facebook of the alarm monitoring and
security industry. They are cheaper to
set up, operate and maintain because
they are designed to connect and share
data amongst agencies. That data is
where they make their real money selling
it to other agencies. Because of this,
because of this, the system is by design
set up to share your data with everyone
else. Sure, just like Facebook, you can
choose to share less and you have
control over your data. But as other
Washington agencies have learned,
turning off those sharing settings
doesn't keep other agencies from
accessing it. And this is my primary
concern with Flock and local law
enforcement using these systems.
Washington has some of the tightest
privacy laws in the country. Yet last
year, a police officer in Texas use
flock cameras to track and arrest and
charge a woman seeking legal healthcare
in our state. The University of
Washington Center for Human Rights has
documented abuse by federal agents
during immigration investigations
illegally accessing Washington systems
to track and locate immigrants in our
state. Despite our state's best in the
country privacy laws, folks with ill
intent are still able to access data
they shouldn't, and Washingtonians pay
the price. Surveillance is not safety.
Having worked with law enforcement for
many years, I appreciate the job they
are tasked to do and I am sympathetic to
the challenges. I understand why Flock
is an enticing solution to make their
tough jobs seem a little bit easier. But
let's find a way to accomplish that
mission without putting Isqua residents,
workers, and shoppers at risk of
invasive surveillance and federal
overreach.
Seattle, Redmond, Reton, Lynwood, and
even the Pierce County Sheriff's Office
have either turned off or stopped
implementation of these cameras for
security concerns. So, I urge the mayor
and the city council to reject this
flock camera proposal and work with the
community to find equitable solutions
for the community problems these cameras
hope to address without compromising the
safety and privacy of its residents.
Thank you.
>> Thank you very much, Madam Clerk.
Victor Bellow.
>> Um, mayor, council members, um, thanks
for giving me the opportunity to speak
tonight. Um, I'm standing before you
tonight as a resident um of eight years
deeply invested in this in the city's
civic life through multiple task forces
and commissions, most recently the
sister cities commission, but also as a
Venezuelan who lived through the
agonizing descent of my home country
into a police state. I know firsthand
what it looks like when a government
builds the technological infrastructure
to track its citizens, monitor daily
movements, and systematically remove
dissident. It always begins quietly,
heavily subsidized and is always sold
under the guise of public safety. Uh, as
you deliberate in the eventual
implementation of the flock system, um,
we know it is being framed as a modern
solution to property crime, but this
technology is a Trojan horse. The Flock
Falcon camera uses um, AI that tracks
vehicle that does vehicle
fingerprinting, meaning it does not
simply do uh, read the license plates.
It also logs highly specific visual
profiles such as bumper stickers, roof
racks, custom wheels, creating a
searchable pattern of life database that
creates a drag net that continuously
logs the movements of every resident,
commuter, and visitor regardless of
whether they are suspected of a crime.
We must also recognize that the 50,000
federal grant is a marketing tactic
meant to draw the city into a sunken
into a sunk cost trap. While the grant
may cover the initial hardware,
taxpayers will be permanently
responsible for the ongoing software
licensing and data storage fees which
could exceed easily $100,000 a year. Um,
but my deepest concern is the in is the
existential threat that disposes to our
vulnerable neighbors and my own loved
ones. I have family here who are
refugees. They are hardworking people
who live in Isiqua, contribute to our
community and pay taxes. I have nephews
who are actively building their futures
here at 10 college in Belleview,
Isaakqua High School, Isaacqua Middle
School, growing up right alongside my 13
and 16 year old sons. Implementing this
surve this surveillance network could
effectively turn these young men and my
entire family into targets of a
nationalized police state. Because data
captured by the scammers to centralized
cloud service, it is entirely removed
from the exclusive control of the Isiqua
Police Department. The current
architecture of the federal government
um provides absolutely no guarantees
that this information will not be
weaponized against the residents of
Isiqua. Research has already proven that
federal immigration agencies employ back
doors and side doors access to the
surveillance networks. In fact, border
patrol has searched data at to at least
10 different Washington police
departments despite the absence of any
explicit sharing agreements. State laws
such as the Senate Bill 6002 are
secondary to federal subpoenas. A
federal court can override this and
flock needs to turn over all the data
and protection of my family and anyone
else is out the window. We already know
the terror this causes last October.
Diana Romero was followed and detained
by federal agents in a norm vehicle
right outside a local preschool. Our
community's trust was shattered. I see
that item ID 1993 um is on the agenda
tonight. Uh you clearly recognize the
fear that is currently uh pervades our
city to eventually approve a mass
surveillance program in the same breath
would be a profound betrayal of the
residents who call Isiqua home.
Neighboring cities like Lynwood and
Redmond have already suspended or
terminated their flock programs already
realizing the true risk and experiencing
a total collapse of public trust. As
we've seen just this month, even the
Isocua Highlands Council and other local
advocacy groups have withdrawn their
support uh for the grant after
acknowledging the severe risk associated
with privacy and oversight. I ask you to
listen to this warnings of history and
clear precedent set by our neighboring
cities. I urge you to formally reject
this federal grant when it comes before
you and terminate any plans to install
flock safety cameras. Please reallocate
these resources towards community based
policy and human resources that do not
demand the um sacrifice of our civil
liberties. Once you build the
infrastructure of a surveillance, it is
nearly impossible to dismantle. Thank
you very much.
>> Thank you very much.
And madam clerk,
>> oh it looks like we have Karen Ellis
again, but we've heard from Karen. So
next we have Chris Adair.
Good evening. I didn't intend to talk
and I really don't have anything to add
to what all of these people have said.
They they've really presented
some facts that I hope you're listening
to.
I come just with a question.
Well, let me go back. I live at 1276
Front Street South. I have lived here
since 1986.
And my husband in the back row there is
Michael Adair and he has lived here for
74 years.
When I came,
the people of Isiqua were complaining
because they were getting their second
stoplight
and they hadn't figured out why they
needed the first stoplight yet. So, it's
been a bit. And now here we are hoping
that we don't get surveillance that we
really don't need. We really don't want.
And all I'm saying is I hope and I want
to trust that the people and thei the
citizens of Isiqua would be given the
opportunity
to understand what the flock is
and to be given the opportunity to vote
on it.
Okay.
Thank you very much. Hi, Russell. Been a
while.
>> See, they're all they're seconding the
high Russell support. So, that was good.
Uh, Madam Cler,
>> Margaret Escobar.
>> Um, really I it's hard to add to
everything that everyone has already
said. I agree with our previous
speakers. I just want to say that this
circumvents the fourth amendment of the
constitution using technology because
people can access police can access
information without a warrant and that
may seem like a good idea when you're
the police officer or but we I mean we
swore uh pledged allegiance to the flag
and we ask for liberty and justice for
all and part of that is defended by the
fourth amendment and if we give it up
just for ease, we're going to be sorry.
We're going to regret it. The the the
fact that we have a right to protect
ourselves from searches, from
surveillance, except when a judge deems
it necessary, is a precious thing, and
we shouldn't just give it up for
something that looks like an easy way
out.
Um, that's my first statement. My second
is um there isn't a person in this room
who might not someday have a loved one
if not themselves who's being stalked by
a creepy ex partner whatever it is very
common and making it easier for that
person to make their life miserable is
not something any of us will want and so
for a second reason we might regret this
tool in the future. So, I kind of wanted
to make those two points clear.
>> Can you state your name and relation?
>> I'm so sorry. I'm Margaret Escobar. I've
lived over 30 years in Isiqua. I live at
490 Mount Defiance Circle um for most of
that.
>> Excellent. Thank you very much.
>> Madam Clerk,
>> will Keryotti?
Um, hi. I'm Will Keryotti. I live in the
Isiqua Highlands. Thank you council
members for the floor and for the
opportunity to provide comment.
I have lived around Isiqua my whole life
and began living in the Isqua Highlands
recently. Um, Isqua has recently been
approved for a federal grant of
$400,000.
Um, a portion of which will be put
towards the installation of flock
cameras. And I am terrified at the
prospect of those cameras being
installed here. In an ideal world, flaw
cameras would be a useful tool in
keeping our community safe. But in
reality, that's not how they'll
function. Isiqua has an already
remarkably low violent crime rate. Very
little of it at random or happening in
the streets. Very little of it
preventable or aided by sprawling
security systems.
Um, security systems like that might
make things easier to resolve, but they
aren't going to really prevent someone
from getting hurt. What is far more
scary to me is the prospect of someone
who I did not consent to my information
being shared with knowing where I am or
where I might go. I have at certain
points in my life had reason to believe
that someone was trying to intentionally
find out information about me to
intimidate and possibly hurt me. This
certainly wasn't something I had enough
evidence to go to police about or
acquire acquire legal protections for,
but was more than enough to cause a lot
of stress and paranoia in my life. The
situation has since been resolved, but I
can't help but imagine how terrifying it
would have been if there had been
additional information about my
whereabouts available for public access.
I can't imagine I am the only member of
our community who has been in a
situation where that kind of information
could cause them significant stress or
potentially endanger their life.
I urge the council to consider that the
potential harm done by this kind of
surveillance is a lot more concerning
than the perceived benefits it might
provide and choose a different safer
method of surveillance. Thank you so
much for your time.
>> Thank you madam clerk.
BJ Olum.
>> Hello. All right. Um, my name is BJ
Ellum. Um, I've been a resident of
Isiqua for around four years. I live in
the Bohemian, just a little bit that
way. Um, city council members, Mr.
Mayor, um, all the city staff, um,
helping to run this smoothly. Thank you
for your time and openness to hearing
from the public tonight. something I
really appreciate.
Um, I come to urge the city council to
formally schedule a vote on the proposal
to add flock ALPR cameras to Isiqua and
for that vote to be soon and for that
vote to be no.
This is for a number of reasons, not
least among them the safety concerns
these cameras pose to vulnerable people,
the way such groups are made more
vulnerable by their movements being
tracked, and the general unpleasantness
of surveillance in our community.
But there's another quite basic reason
which is questioning the degree to which
we should entrust our safety and the
data about our lives and our movements
to huge data harvesting tech companies
and Flock in particular.
Over the past year, this company has
given dramatic opportunity for seriously
questioning their trustworthiness on
these issues, especially from the points
of view of security and compliance. So,
I want to just overview a few incidents
that stood out to me. Um, in terms of
security, these come from 404 media. Um,
as of last year, the highest level of
access, so seeing everything the camera
saw and recorded, um, and even being
able to adjust those, um, images, um,
could be obtained on some Flock cameras
via straightforward process that began
with simply pressing a button on the
back of the camera a few times.
Also, as of last year, flocks
accidentally exposed data to the
internet that included things like
police officers contact information,
their expected patrol areas, and
appeared to also include um a way to
track active location of certain patrol
vehicles.
As recently as this year,
at least 60 flock cameras were
inadvertently streaming live footage
from security cameras to the open
internet. Now, different model of
camera, but same company. And these um
these cameras included feed or the feeds
that were being shown to the internet
were things like um parking lot footage
of people loading potentially expensive
purchases into their vehicles. Um
isolated trails, people walking alone,
and a playground with un with
unaccompanied children to the open
internet.
In terms of compliance, one of the tools
that talk that Flock seems to offer in
uh is these network auditing reports
that are supposed to tell you how your
network has been searched and who's been
searching it. And it has a reason field
that's supposed to say why the search
was made. Flock allows that that um
reason field to have extremely generic
words like investigation. It also allows
that field to be blank
so you don't necessarily know why your
system is being searched.
A report from the University of
Washington's Center for Human Rights
last year observed that despite Illinois
and Virginia having strong restrictions
on how ALPR data can be shared and
California banning the sharing of that
data out of state altogether, those laws
appear to have been in their words
regularly violated.
It's also worth noting that in response
or in the topic of uh claims that f that
flock makes about how their data can be
accessed um the report had this to say.
Unlike all its major competitors in the
ALPR market, Flock has refused to allow
independent security analysts to test
its devices to ensure that claims made
by the company are accurate.
Because of reasons like these, my
concerns are not put to rest by
Washington state's recent SP 60002
um legislation, despite it offering
important first steps in regulating
ALPRs and their usage. Um I think that
isqua's residents, visitors, and the
people who work here deserve better than
to be surveiled by an AI powered camera
system simply because they're coming and
going.
Um, I think we know enough about this
system and this company, these types of
technologies to make a decision soon.
Um, I think the right thing to do is to
say no to this proposal and the right
time is as soon as possible. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much.
Madam click
>> May Hollings Head.
>> Thank you to the mayor and the council
for hearing me. My name is May Hollings
Head and I a junior at Gibson High
School. I am also an intern with council
member Walsh. As a part of this, we have
been researching the issues that our
city faces. Recently, the city of
Isiziqua was offered a significant
amount of money from the federal
government to install automated license
plate readers, which have been
repeatedly proven to be both intrusive
and insecure. While some may say these
cameras keep us safer, the cost of
privacy is too high for these cameras to
be a good option for our city. I ask
that you all consider the voices of your
of the voices of your community when you
consider whether or whether or not to
accept this grant and install these
cameras as many of us that you have
heard today believe that ALPRs are not
the right path forward for. Thank you
all.
>> Thank you.
>> Madam clerk,
>> no one further has signed up to speak.
>> Okay. Is there anybody else in the room
who hasn't signed up but would like to
speak?
Okay. Not seeing any online. Madam
clerk, do we have any indication of
anyone?
>> We have a few members of the public with
us virtually,
but I'm not seeing anything.
>> Okay. Well, thank you very much for
everyone who did show up to comment. We
appreciate getting the feedback. I think
I did hear several people ask like what
is the expected timeline? And I think
the challenge we've had for the city of
Isiqua is our current chief of police is
retiring and we are in the process of we
will hire a new chief of police next
month. And so I think the the grant
that's in question which is for other
safety equipment as well which is tasers
and flock expires on September 30th. And
so the current council agenda I think
has August as the next touch point to go
to services safety and parks. And then I
think based on how that process goes
would determine whether it comes to the
full council or not. And I think what
the city clerk has done is anybody who
is interested in being updated, if you
know that is the current published
timeline, but I appreciate your guys's
concerns and if you want to be on a
list, you can leave your email and that
will automatically have you included if
for some reason that date were to move
forward or backward. I think the the
thought process from the city
administration's perspective is get the
new police chief hired next month and
then decide of how the timing looks from
there because it's hard to basically do
the process when you're in between
police chiefs. And with that, that will
close audience comments. And the next
item on the calendar is the consent
calendar. And I do not have any remarks
on the consent calendar. Are there any
committee chairs or chair design who
would like to report on the consent
calendar items?
Not seeing any. The consent calendar was
distributed to the council in advance.
If authorized, the items of the consent
calendar will be considered together and
approved by one motion. Have the
payables and payroll been reviewed?
>> They have.
>> They have.
>> That is an affirmative. Does any council
member want to remove any items from the
consent calendar and consider it under
regular business?
Not seeing any. Is there a motion?
>> Mr. Mr. Mayor, I move the I move the
consent calendar as published in the
agenda today.
>> Second.
>> Okay, there's been a motion and a
second. All those in favor, please say
I.
>> I.
>> I.
>> All those opposed, no. And that passes
unanimously. The next item of business
is an exciting one. Regular business,
city hall purchase and sale agreement.
Autumn, this is like your life lifeline
lifetime dream to present to the council
to potentially take action on the
purchase of a new city hall. Autumn
Monahan.
>> Thank you for that introduction, mayor.
Um, hello council members. My name is
Autumn Monahan. I'm the administrative
services director. I'm here with several
friends tonight, including uh Jeannie
Justice, our administrative services
manager, who's been um just critical in
supporting me throughout this effort, as
well as several other staff who are here
um to help answer any questions.
So, um here tonight
um to present on a proposed purchase for
a new city hall. administration's
recommendation is to approve a purchase
and sale agreement um for a property at
1055 Northwest Maple Street uh for the
amount of 12.975 million plus closing
closing costs and authorizing the mayor
to execute a lease agreement and other
documents necessary to complete the
purchase.
Um I will go through this very quickly
just because I was before you only two
weeks ago with uh this summary. So I'll
be very quick. Uh but this project has
um gone on for many years. Uh we started
this back in 2018 with our first space
needs study being completed. I took this
project on in 2023.
Um you know at that time council
supported a phased approach with
remodeling our police station first.
That's the most essential uh first step.
But the question was where does city
hall go? Uh if we're remodeling the
building at 130 East Sunset Way
exclusively for police use, we needed to
find a home for city hall. So, at that
point, council asked uh go out to the
community uh engage with our residents
uh to come back with some solutions. And
so, uh the city's largest task force to
date that I at least that I'm aware of
um got together and we had seven or
eight meetings last year and they really
dove into the specifics on uh what is a
quad needed as far as space and made
recommendations.
And then just earlier this year, we
moved our first piece of the puzzle and
moving municipal court out of this
building into a lease space uh with King
County District Court.
So the task force recommendations uh
there were several um the top priority
that emerged even before we had our
first meeting and we were just doing
tours of the police station was we
needed to address operational needs and
space needs of our police department.
And you know task force members said,
"Can we do that now?" like how quickly
can we actually pull that off uh once
they took the tours and saw uh the state
of just how squeezed our department is
in trying to operate but then again what
happens to city hall and so you know we
did share we have been looking for
properties to purchase and renovate and
it's been very very difficult to find
those in Isiqua and so while the task
force said please do remain flexible and
open to new opportunities ultimately we
went down the path of looking at what it
would cost to build a new city hall
either at city hall south this property
or over at Pickering.
Our project goals from the beginning,
which council adopted in 2023, are to
ensure safety, responsibly steward
public dollars, provide community
accessibility and convenience, support
economic development, deliver enhanced
community amenities, and embody
environmental stewardship.
So, I was before you just I think it was
two weeks ago in early April with a new
proposal um from administration on
what's next for our space needs.
We do not recommend pursuing
construction of a new city hall at this
time. We also recommend leveraging a
councilmatic bond to pay for a police
remodel and pay that debt service with
public safety sales tax revenue.
Uh we also recommend temporarily
retaining this building for police use
during that remodel because we'll have a
lot of shifting back and forth as we
remodel that building and then using
one-time funds to purchase and renovate
an existing building for city hall use.
A quick reminder, our estimate of cost
for building a new city hall, whether at
this site or at Pickering, was anywhere
from 44 to $57 million. And that was for
a 35,000t building. And the timeline
would be anywhere from three and a half
to four years to pull that off.
I mentioned there's a lack of inventory.
We have been working with our broker
CBRE for several years looking for a
property in Isiqua. There just there
aren't any. So there are 24 office
buildings in Isiqua um that are anywhere
between 10,000 and 40,000 square ft. Uh
and only 11 of those are 15,000 ft or
more. Uh, one of those buildings is City
Hall Northwest, which the city uh, sold
last year, and the other is the building
that I'm here tonight to propose that we
purchase at, uh, 1055 Northwest Maple
Street. So, this property is also known
as the Ednetics building to many in our
community. It's an extremely rare
offmarket opportunity uh, that recently
became available. It's it's a property
that, uh, we toured as staff even
several years ago when it was only
really available as a option to lease.
Um, so this is a very exciting
opportunity for us. The property
features 21,000 square ft of
high-quality office space located in
central Isiqua.
It meets a lot of our goals for space
needs, uh, providing a cost-effective
solution for where city hall goes,
allowing for us to quickly then start
working on renovations for PD. It's
located in central Isiqua, close to
transit and open space. Uh, it has a
really nice front counter, so it's
really welcoming to our community as far
as a a place that we can offer customer
service, and it's a really
well-maintained building. Um, our
facilities team has already been through
it. Um, and it's really been
wellmaintained over the years. It also
offers a lot of flexible space in the
years to come.
The property, here's just a quick map
just to orient you. property if you can
kind of locate where Tibbitz Valley Park
is close to parks close to our future
TOD project and close to the transit
center and like I said before also
located in central Isiqua.
So on to the purchase and sale terms. Uh
the proposed price is $12.97
million.
Under a proposed agreement, the seller
would retain the use of their existing
family office on the ground floor, which
is about 4,400 square feet through a
seven-year lease. And the fair market
value of this lease was factored in to
the negotiated purchase price.
The seller would pay the broker fees. Uh
the due diligence period is 20 days,
which has already started. The earnest
money is half a million dollars, which
is also refundable within that due
diligence period. The purchase and sale
agreement and the lease are contingent
upon city council approval, which is why
I'm here tonight. And uh we hope to
close fairly soon, but it does have
flexibility of closing within the you
know, the longest we can go is 120 days
following due diligence.
Uh just quickly in working with CBRE, um
we asked them to do some comparables of
just what the price is for office space
in this area. So they performed analysis
and found that the average price in our
area is about $725 per square foot and
this purchase is $69 per square foot.
Uh we have done a lot of space needs
studies as I mentioned in our timeline
uh over the years. Um this building can
accomodate accommodate city hall staff
in a hybrid model. The current office
use that we need to move right away is
the top floor of city hall, the eagle
room, and the top floor of this
building. Uh, and that's only 12,600
square ft. If you're factoring in the
lease for 7 years, we still have about
17,000 ft with this opportunity.
Our latest uh space planning found that,
you know, very much the the top end of
what we would need as far as square
footage was 35,000 square ft. that
included a significant amount of space
for community use
and with the uh idea of a potential
parks bond which could offer some other
opportunities for um for community
meeting space perhaps going to voters
this year that would be a good
opportunity to also pursue how to best
be creative in some of our other
existing spaces to be used to for um
community use. So, the next step um if
this um is approved tonight is hiring an
architect for space planning. There's
already been a lot of questions of who's
going where and what would happen if
this is approved. Um there would take
some time and effort in looking at how
we could best uh utilize that building
and any tenant improvements we would
need to make.
Uh so, the budget for this project um
the proposal is to use all one-time
revenue that has been set aside
specifically for our facility needs. The
largest of that is the proceeds from our
previous city hall northwest building
which we sold last year as well as the
food bank when we sold that property.
The lakeside development agreement set
aside money specifically for facility
use. We also have government mitigation
fees saved up. And we have some interest
earnings that could be used specifically
for those tenant improvements,
furniture, other things, too. So in
total, we have up to $16.3 million.
Again, all that are in one-time funds.
Our due diligence is 20 days. That has
already started. That clock has started.
Uh we are reviewing the title which we
just recently received. Uh all the
permit information um information
provided by the seller. Uh we are also
hiring a third-party uh company to come
in and do a building condition
assessment as well as a phase one. Our
major systems and building envelope will
be reviewed and the storm water system
on the adjacent parcel will also be
looked at too.
So, uh the property is a little over
68,000 square ft. It is zoned urban core
and is constrained by uh wetlands and
stream buffers from the south and the
east. any further expansion or
redevelopment of the property, which
we're not recommending at this time, uh
would be required to comply with the
then current code requirements.
Reszoning this property to community
facilities facilities, which is what our
other properties are zoned at, uh any
city any city property is would also
provide uh more flexibility for this
site in the future if there was ever a
need that we would want to remodel or to
grow.
So, as for timing and next steps, like I
said, we're very busy right now going
through the due diligence period. Um,
like I've shared with several uh folks.
Um, so far so good. Everything looks
very well maintained on this building,
but we'll be doing more of that work
now. Following uh any following the
closing, we would then finalize a move
plan. So, space planning, tenant
improvements, furniture, come back to
you with that plan and an update um
before proceeding with that work.
And with that, here's your proposed
motion and I am available as well as
some of my co-workers to answer any
questions.
>> Council President Marks.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Can you tell me a
little bit more under the diligence um
storm water system on the adjacent
parcel? What's that about? So that was
built when the uh building was first
built and so it's on a separate parcel
that was part of a larger development
that includes Target and a few other of
the businesses area in the area around
there as more of a master plan. So when
that building was built, there was uh an
easement granted to uh to build the
storm water retention on a separate site
and that the easement would also require
for the property owner to maintain it.
>> Still confused. Is it a detention pond
or a pump? What is it?
>> It is uh you look at the exact
>> is it passive? Is it active?
>> It's passive.
>> Council member.
>> Oh,
>> yeah. Oh,
>> are you looking up more information?
>> I am looking it up. Sorry. One sec. Oh.
It's a bofiltration swale.
>> Is it Is this the parcel that's directly
to the east of it?
>> Yes.
>> It's a It's like a little triangular
corner corner piece.
>> Okay. So, why is that our Why are we Why
is that part of our due diligence? What
are we
>> uh We're just looking at has it been has
it been maintained? What will it take to
maintain in the future? But but is that
part of what we'd be buying?
>> No, but the easement is that we would
maintain it even though it's not on our
property.
>> I see. Y
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Yep.
>> Council over there.
>> Um you mentioned the reszoning it for
community facilities adds more
flexibility. What kind of flexibility
does that add exactly?
>> Yeah, I I'm going to phone a friend. We
have our community planning and
development director, Minnie, online.
>> Minnie, your phone's ringing.
Hello everyone. Um this is Mini Dali,
community planning and development
director here. Um in terms of
flexibility, um it it ties to anything
that it doesn't currently comply with
our regulations. Um if it is zoned
community facilities facilities CFF then
uh because it's public's investment in
the in in that infrastructure or
building uh there is a little bit more
leeway in terms of what it can and
cannot do in terms of expansion or
continued use or anything that doesn't
comply with the code. So it provides
more flexible path for uh for doing some
of those things for public buildings.
>> Does that help answer your question?
>> I mean a bit. I mean more flexibility. I
you know I was saying more concrete just
we can expand it beyond our codes would
normally allow or I'm just not quite
sure what that flexibility is but
obviously this is a long range issue and
we're not doing it right now. I'm just
curious.
Yeah, it's it's um more generic and more
broad than specific things what you can
and cannot do. So, it gives a a big um
discretion uh as a policy, you know, and
some of these buildings are like the
community center, the senior center. So,
a lot of public investments have gone in
into it, but codes change over time and
so they're looked at a little bit more
um leniently because of public's
investment. But it isn't one thing or
two things. It's much more broad uh in
terms of what the flexibility can be
granted under those provisions.
>> Yeah.
>> Deputy President Jay.
>> Um great. So um on one of the previous
slides you showed that the amount of
onetime funds we have is about 16
million and the cost of the new city
hall is about 13 million. Um what's the
plan for that 3 million to be spent on?
>> Yeah, I'll bring up that slide again.
Uh, so right now we know the cost of the
building and so next would be looking at
tenant improvements, space planning,
what would be needed to actually move
into the building? I don't anticipate
it's going to cost that much, but was
sharing with you all the different
options we have as far as budget.
>> And so if we don't spend the full amount
of money, could that money be applied to
say, you know, the police improvements
that we talked about or, you know, other
facility needs like HVAC and other city
facilities or things like that?
>> Yes. Great. Thank you.
Oh, and Autumn, you forgot to mention it
comes with a generator. Very exciting.
Uh, Council Member Walsh,
>> thank you. In looking at this um on
Google Maps, it appears that uh Spring
Hill Suites uh the access to their
garage is through perhaps a shared
driveway. Is that part of a right of way
or something that we would maintain?
>> It is part of an easement. So, that was
part of the um yeah, some of that title
uh information that we just received,
but yes, it is shared.
>> Okay. Thank you,
>> Council Member Joe.
>> Thank you. Um Autumn, appreciate all the
hard work uh you've done over the years
on this. Uh it's exciting to see that
we're near a possible conclusion. Um, I
had a question about the due diligence
plans and whether or not that included
an assessment of the parking lot, the
pavement condition, um, any of the
deterioration that might be there. If
you could comment on that.
>> Yes, part of the review from that third
party company that I mentioned will
include assessment of the pavement. Um,
there are some areas of cracking and
there was an assessment done in 2021
that says that at some point it will
need some maintenance. Um, but but we
also know some folks who can do that,
too. So,
>> I appreciate that. I I know that uh
those of us that were here when it was
first built uh know that it was uh um
primarily of wetland and wet uh soil and
we hope that uh no serious settling has
occurred etc etc. So, thank you for
doing that.
All right. I'm not seeing any other
questions. Uh,
there's no further. Well, I guess I look
to see if there's a motion.
>> Council President Marks.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to approve
a purchase and sale agreement with DWP
LLC to purchase the property known as
King County Tax Parcel 2824069326
1055 Northwest Maple Street for the
amount of 12,975,000
plus closing costs and and authorize the
mayor to execute a lease agreement with
DWP LLC and other documents necessary to
complete the purchase.
>> Second.
>> Okay, there's been a motion and a
second. Is there any further discussion?
Council member Council President Marts.
>> So, this property has has been known
there there was a there's been a
parallel effort for the last 20 years um
to look at a human services campus and
um this property was well known to a lot
of us um back in the days when we were
looking for human services campus
because we were really excited about it.
We couldn't make it work 20 years ago.
Um the search for a human services
campus unfortunately continues on. Um,
but this is really exciting. Um, this is
at a great price. Um, 13 million. I'm,
you know, I'm I'm not a rocket scientist
anymore, but I'm pretty sure the 13
million is a lot less than 47 million.
Um, so so this would be really good. We
would have to be, you know, creative in
using the space. Um the capital
facilities uh task force uh came up with
good estimates and those um you know
we'll have to find other places for
community engagement. Um fortunately the
city has a lot of of spaces for
community engagement and you know in a
time of very careful finances um doing
this this is as frugal of a space as we
can possibly imagine getting anywhere.
So, I just really um uh appreciate the
administration's effort to go out and
find this opportunity. It wasn't like it
it wasn't on, you know, Zillow,
but you found it and uh came up with a
creative solution to it. So, kudos to
everybody involved and I am a a strong
uh I I will strongly proudly support
this this evening.
>> Deputy President Jen.
>> Great. Well, first of all, I want to
give massive kudos to Autumn and our
broker team at CBRE for getting this
deal done. This, you know, as council
president Martz mentioned, this was not
on Zillow. The seller didn't actually
really want to sell that much. And so,
it took a lot of persistence from Autumn
and everyone involved to get to this
deal, which in my opinion is a great
deal for Isiquat's 13 million, which is
a lot less than, you know, the $50
million that it could have cost. We're
saving what $40 million of taxpayer
money if I'm doing the math correctly,
which is really great, especially given,
you know, we've seen in some neighboring
communities they've tried to, you know,
pass a bond to build a new city hall,
failed, and now they're trying to figure
out what to do. I think that this, you
know, given that we already have the
money from selling off city hall
northwest, which by the way, if you're
exiting the highway off uh exit 15, you
can see it's very much under
construction right now. So, we got rid
of that and got this new beautiful
office building. Um, Council Member
Nichols and I had the opportunity to
tour it on Saturday. It's very, very
nice. So, it's very exciting. Um, what
another thing that I'm really excited
about with this space is that it's a lot
bigger than our current space. So, that
gives us the opportunity to, you know,
move some of the folks who are currently
in spaces that previously were community
spaces like Tibbitz Manor into City
Hall. You know, we earlier heard from
someone who had the opportunity to get
married in Tibet Manor. I got married
last summer. I actually was like that
would be a cool venue cuz it's so close
to my house but it's no longer available
for use as a wedding venue. So perhaps
with this new city hall that could be a
possibility. Um but you know with
community spaces we have all these um
you know cool buildings around the city
um that are currently used for office
space that could be transformed. So
that's really exciting as well. Um, one
point I do want to raise though on the
resoning is that I want to be cautious
about potentially reszoning to community
facilities facilities because last year
we had this discussion of do we actually
want to get rid of this category of
zoning altogether um community
facilities facilities because you know
when we sold city hall northwest we had
to reszone the property to basically
like office space something like that to
be able to sell it to someone who is not
the city and so that adds basically a
one-year timeline to you know selling
any property given the state of the
world, you know, the market crash in
that amount of time. So that actually
reduces flexibility from the perspective
of, you know, um, selling city
properties. So that's something that I
want to be very intentional about if we
choose to pursue. Um, also I don't
really love this concept that, you know,
oh, we can create our own zone and then
set our own rules for ourselves and
then, you know, that are less stringent
than for other people in the city. I
don't think that necessarily like sends
the right message, but um that's a kind
of further discussion for the future.
For tonight, um I'm very very excited to
vote yes on buying this new city hall
and uh you know, moving forward with
that.
>> Council member Dair,
>> um I just wanted to add and also commend
the administration for the work that
went into this. I actually in my
appointment speech talked about this
issue. I got here, you know, part of the
way it was through the task force on
this issue, saw the police station, saw
the problems that they had and how
urgent that was, but recognized how
difficult a solution this was going to
be because of the cost to find a new
city hall and to build one and because
there was no inventory. The only way is
to build, but the costs were so
astronomical. And in my speech wanted,
you know, us to work hard to find a
solution and I'm just amazed that a
solution is already here. Um, and I
toured it today as well and just saw,
you know, could see the future of what
this will be of such a great space as
well as the the how we'll finally fix
the police station problems and all the
things that are there. So, I just really
wanted to commend the administration for
this work and how excited I am to be
here and already be saying yes to this
and having this problem um, finally
actually addressed. So, thank you all
for all the work you did on this. Right.
Council member Joe,
>> thank you. I I saw that our finance
director left before I could make this
comment, but I want to give uh kudos and
appreciation to the administration and
the mayor for uh this purchase. Um it's
it's an allcash purchase. We're not
going into debt to buy this building.
The voters, our citizens are not being
asked to approve any new funding for
this. the the money that is there we've
squirreled away over the years from
different government mitigation activity
um the sale of the food bank u um down
the street and so by saving and planning
uh we were able to seize this
opportunity when it became available at
no additional debt cost to our citizens.
So, I really want to thank the
administration, the mayor for making
that happen and saving this money over
time so that we could wait until we had
an opportunity that could really make
sense. I'm fully in support of it this
evening.
>> You should know Kristen does rewatch all
positive comments about our apartments.
>> Council member Nichols,
>> I'll be brief. Yeah. Uh, I think the
space looks really great. Uh, and
critically, as has been mentioned
multiple times, it's also
cost-effective. Uh there are some novel
aspects to this deal that clearly
required some good creativity and I
think show really good thinking uh to
solve what has been a well-known problem
for quite some time. Um so uh to reuse a
word that's been used multiple times
kudos uh to the staff uh and I really
look forward to seeing this deal go
through. Uh I also just briefly on
zoning I I don't think we need to
address this issue even soon necessarily
uh if I understand the responses from
staff today correctly. Uh looking at the
space, it does look like it'll be suit
suitable for quite some time. Uh and I
think we can delay that to a future date
when for example we're looking at zoning
in this area overall or if it otherwise
comes up. So uh I'll also be voting yes
and uh kudos to the staff.
>> Council member Walsh
>> agree. I don't have anything else to
add. I'm just glad to see that we are
addressing this issue and are able to
move forward. Thank you.
>> Okay. If there's no further discussion,
the motion before the council is to
approve a purchase sale agreement with
DWP LLC to purchase a property known as
King County, Texas parcel
28246-9326
1055 Northwest Maple Street for the
amount of 12,975,000
plus closing cost and authorized mayor
to execute a lease agreement with DWP
LLC and other documents necessary to
complete the purchase. All those in
favor, please say I.
>> I.
>> All those opposed, no. And that passes
unanimously. None of them, you should
know. I did suggest we have champagne,
but our city administrator, Wall-E, said
we're not allowed to have champagne on
the dis. And so that was rejected. But
uh on we go to the next business item.
And uh ID193, new business request,
public reporting on immigration
enforcement activity. The March 16th
city council meeting, Council Member
Nichols presented this new business
item. The city council voted to for this
item the next step in the process, which
is a preliminary staff response. We're
going to ask
uh city administrator uh
the assistant to the city administrator
Dale Marky Crimp to provide the staff
response. I think Dale is coming in by
the cloud. There is Dale.
>> I am. Can you all hear me loud and
clear?
>> We can.
>> Awesome. I can see the nods. Good
evening, Mayor Mullet, members of the
city council. I am Dale Marky Crimp,
assistant to the city administrator,
coming to you over the airwaves this
evening. Um, I'm here to introduce the
administration's response to the new
business item ID 1933, public reporting
on immigration enforcement activity. Um,
and as you can see on the screen, uh,
police chief Polishwan is also here with
me this evening and will be able to
answer qu any questions you might have.
So, in response to this new business
item, the administration is recommending
that the police department implements a
new computer aided dispatch or CAD code
to capture community reported federal
immigration enforcement activity as well
as um recommending that they include a
monthly summary of calls in the city's
public facing police department monthly
report. Um an attachment which shows a
mockup of that report is included in the
council materials this evening. We
believe both of these actions will
support transparent sharing of confirmed
incidents within city limits. A bit of
background on this. Um, Mayor Mullet
already mentioned uh Council Member
Nichols submitted a new business request
at the March 16th meeting regarding the
city's reporting on federal immigration
enforcement activities within city
limits. The city already rep reports on
its own law enforcement activity and as
noted in council member Nichols request,
the city does track and report some data
related to immigration status. But this
information on U visa and T visa
certification requests is shared at the
request of the person requesting that
information from our police department
in order to apply for particular types
of immigration visas. This information
differs significantly from federal
immigration enforcement activity, which
is activity conducted by federal
agencies and not reported to or
controlled by the city. So, it's really
challenging uh to track and report on
federal immigration enforcement
primarily due to uh the legal framework
that governs federal and local authority
in the United States. Under the
Constitution, um specifically the
supremacy clause, federal agencies are
able to enforce federal law nationwide
and they operate
independently of local jurisdictions. So
to put that more succinctly, federal
authorities aren't required to notify or
cooperate with or even provide any
information to lo local jurisdictions
about their activities. So, the city
doesn't have a reliable data source that
they can just go to um to confirm
federal immigration enforcement that
happens within Isiqua. However, we do
have an awesome community and the
administration re recognizes that the
community is interested in transparency
and deeply desires to know about federal
movement within our community as much as
they can. And to address this, the
administration and our police department
needs their help. So what the
administration is recommending is that
the police department, as they already
have, creates a new dispatch code. So
there's a new code now that dispatchers
can use when a community member calls
911 to report suspected federal
immigration enforcement activity or
concerns related to federal immigration
authority. Dispatchers will dispatch
officers to investigate.
We're we're also going to rely on that
community reported data. With this code,
the police department is going to be
able to systematically log, track, and
analyze these calls over time and
understand where behavior where activity
is taking place. And then with this
code, um this will allow for all of the
any any calls and activity to be
reported out in a monthly report. And so
you can see in attachment A in your
materials, um, our crimerevention
analyst has already modeled up what this
would look like. Um, adding a number of
calls, uh, related to ICE activity in
the monthly report. I want to emphasize
um, that this reporting will only
reflect what is reported via 911
dispatch to the Isiqua Police
Department. Officers will then report to
the scene and and if they can, they'll
confirm what's happening. However,
again, due to the independent authority
of federal agencies and the absence of a
requirement to notify the city of their
actions, the city cannot always
independently verify or comprehensively
track all federal enforcement activity.
They will do their best. They will show
up at the the scene. They will
investigate. Um, but please know that a
a federal immigration officer could say
nothing. They don't have to say
anything. The CAD code has been created.
Um the police department is actually
already using it to code appropriate
calls and the department's data analyst
has already included the number of calls
related to this uh CAD code in the Marsh
report. Um this is the administration's
recommendation moving forward. Um and
there's no further council action needed
tonight if this satisfies the business
request. However, um included in the
materials for this evening are a couple
other options. Um, and I will uh turn it
over for to the council for questions
and consideration.
>> Okay, I'm looking. Is there a
>> No questions, but I have a motion.
>> Yep. Council member Mark. I move the
city council direct the administration
collect data related to community
reported federal immigration enforcement
activity to the public facing police
department monthly report including how
many federal immigration activities were
able to be confirmed.
>> Second.
Okay, there's
there's been a motion and a second
discussion.
>> Yeah, thank you. Um, I appreciate first
of all that um the city administration
has been able to respond to this. I
think this is a great example of a new
business request item where a city
council member was able to um recognize
that there was a community need around
clear um public transparent information
about um any reported um federal
immigration activity in the community.
And so having that transparency be able
to be included in a monthly police
report is important. My concern in just
stopping at that point and not also
reporting out on any confirmed um
activities
may lead people to believe that there
were that many different activities in
the community when there may be 15 or 20
people reporting for a a single event.
And so I have um added to this basically
saying that I would like us to also
report how many of those federal
immigration activities were able to be
confirmed um because that will provide
the public a little bit more
information. I recognize that there uh
the federal administration does not have
to um say anything um when our officers
go out, but it is important for us to be
able to show not only that we are
receiving these reports, but that we are
going out and responding to them and
that if we can confirm or
disisconfirm um see that something is
not uh federal immigration activity,
then that allows us to provide
additional public information um to the
community.
>> Council member Adair.
>> Uh yeah, I want to echo those the same
comments from uh council member Walsh
and that I you know I think this is you
know a start but similarly in like the
sample version that was sent. It simply
just said ICE reported related reports
which I don't feel is enough information
since that can just simply be how many
people called and obviously we want to
know what was actually an event what you
know what was just people thought it was
but that's not the case as well as how
many people were potentially detained at
said event. I feel like there is more
data to be obtained that this is a good
start. You now have a mechanism to start
tracking it. But I do think this is this
is a step towards what we need to do and
that there needs to be continued work to
get all the data we need because you if
you look at one of the monthly reports
that the police does have there's you
know there's multiple pages going into
all sorts of things of the different
types of offenses and breaking it down
by all sorts of types. So there is we
regularly supply more data than just the
reports and I would like that same level
of data to be applied to this.
>> Council President Marks.
>> Thank you. I'd like to ask the
administration if they feel they'd be
able to achieve this.
>> Yes. Uh Miss Marky Crimp has had
conversations with Council Member Walsh
this afternoon and I think we could
we'll be able to add an additional line.
Is that correct?
>> Yes, we should be able to add an
additional line. Um, if the number of
calls is above one, um, and then we
confirm or disisconfirm, I think both
council member Walsh and I will find a
better word than disconfirm. But, um,
we'll be able to expand on that. And if
it becomes a situation, council member
Adair, where that number is 10, 15, 20,
and we get to the point where we have
that volume of calls coming in, I could
see us doing something similar to what
we did years ago by adding more detail
to um theft. Um
in that report, we sort of originally
only reported on crime types and then we
sort of drilled down on theft,
especially when shoplifting was
particularly high. So I think the the
report can morph and grow as we have
more data, but if the call number is
zero, I think, you know, we'll see that
line. But if the call number rises above
zero, we'll we'll add um at least that
second um confirmed incident. Um I
believe we can do that.
>> Thank you for that. Um this is obviously
an incredibly charged issue and I'm from
Minneapolis. Uh so um you know I've seen
this issue uh you know tear at the
hearts of our communities. I but I think
that um this is a good you know we are a
datadriven city and our IPD is data
driven and so I think this is a a good
step to try to understand what's going
on in our community better um while
still uh
you know make in a difficult situation
um getting more data in a way that
doesn't hamper the IPD but uh allows a
community to understand better what's
happening is a is is a really smart move
going forward. Thank you,
>> Council Member Nichols.
>> Thank you. Uh I want to first speak to
the underlying business item and then
I'll speak to the motion itself. Um so I
want to start by thanking the chief uh
and the and the staff for the thoughtful
response to this uh new business
request. When I raised this uh back in
March um not that long ago either, so
this is a quick turnaround as well. I
wasn't really sure what was going to be
possible. Um, as was pointed out,
federal immigration enforcement is by
design a federal function, and the staff
report lays out clearly why the city
can't just pull those numbers from f
federal agencies. Um, so what I
appreciate here is that the staff got
creative uh creating a new CAD code,
which is not a a term I had ever heard
of before reading this. So, I appreciate
learning that as well, um, to capture
community reported activity and then
going also going back through the
existing ones to see what can be
recorded. um strikes me as a practical
solution uh to a problem that has
legitimate uh that has real
constitutional limits built into it. Um
and as we've seen I think tonight as
well this matters because residents are
asking us what's happening in their
community. Um and even when we can't
confirm this federal activity being able
to say here's what residents are
reporting and here is what our officers
are seeing when they respond is a good
step. Um so I'm pleased to see this
moving forward. Uh, and I want to thank
staff again. Um, specifically on Council
Member Walsh's motion, um, I will speak
to the support of that as well. Uh, I
think it clarifies the data in a useful
way. Uh, I'm glad to hear that it is
feasible from the perspective of staff.
Um, and of course with all of these
data, uh, we we are aware they are going
to be imperfect. Um, so we will know
that, respect that, and treat them
appropriately. But I think more data in
this area is always going to be useful.
So, I I appreciate um both the staff's
efforts to make this happen and I also
support council member Walsh's motion to
improve it further.
>> All right. Okay. Seeing no further
discussion, motion further council is to
direct the administration to collect
data related to the community reported
federal immigration enforcement activity
to the public public facing police
department monthly report including how
many federal immigration activities were
able to be confirmed. All those in
favor, please say I. I.
>> All those opposed? No. And that passes
unanimously. The next item of business
is an exciting one. It's regular
business to appoint the council vacancy
that was left when
previous council president Barbby
Michelle had to step down. And so the
April 7th special city council meeting,
the city council heard presentations
from eight applicants to the city
council position number three. Following
the presentations and deliberations, the
city council moved Donovan Richards and
Erica Boyd forward to the second round
of interviews which will occur tonight.
Tonight's meeting, the applicants will
be interviewed one at a time and asked
the same series of questions.
Applicants, we'd like to request that
you step into the side room off the
lobby that is your turn to be
interviewed so that you do not hear the
questions in advance. And once you
complete your interview, you're welcome
to stay in the room. After the
interviews, the city council will go on
an executive session, which is a close
session where they can discuss the
qualifications of the applicants. After
the close session, we will reopen the
public meeting. The city council is then
expected to vote to make the appointment
tonight. That person will then be sworn
in and take a seat at the dis. And I'd
like to ask the applicants to head into
the lobby now. I think Cassidy is back
there. Go to Cassidy.
Then council president, would you like
to discuss the questions or interview
timing with the city council before we
begin the interviews? Let's wait for
Cassidy to
close the doors.
They are now closed.
>> Thank you. So, uh, Deputy Council
President and I, uh, developed these
questions to, um, continue the spirit of
the previous set of questions without
having them be identical to the previous
set of questions to get some unique
answers, uh, out of folks. Um, and
worked through this a while back, but
are certainly open to if anybody uh,
feels any of these are head scratchers
or have any concerns about them, we we
have the opportunity uh, we have the
opportunity to change them right now.
I'm looking.
We don't see any objections. We're going
to go with the five questions as you
currently have them. The order, which
was drawn completely randomly, is going
to be Donovan Richards first, Erica
Boyd's second. And uh
>> can I also add there was a there was a
conversation about how many minutes we
wanted to offer and uh conversations
about going up or down or whatever. But
you know at the previous time we offered
20 minutes. Every single candidate did
it all in much faster than 20 minutes.
Um so we felt we didn't want to move
that number even because we only had two
candidates um offer offer the same
number.
>> Okay. So 20 minutes. Council member
Walsh
>> up to
>> up to I like it.
>> Yes. Um how are we asking these
questions? Sometimes we've done a
roundroin. Sometimes it's just been
council president or mayor.
>> Just trying to determine.
>> I'm not asking any questions.
>> I'd be happy to just have a cycle
through.
>> I mean there's only there's two people
times five questions. So there's 10
questions. So
>> some people will get to that's fine. We
can we can start with our with
>> I was say what's the cycle because I
didn't do this before. The person who's
most recently been on the firing line, I
think, should probably start. Well, I
get
>> I have the first question.
>> Okay. And so,
Madam Clerk, are you grabbing Donovan
Richards?
Oh, extra security. I like it.
David Kappa, you're blocking
Are we are we having him go there or up
there?
Your call.
There.
Welcome, Donovan. We're going to have
you go up on this side.
I think your council is going to take
turns asking you five questions. Council
member Odair is going to go first. And
you're you've been allocated ample time.
So it's uh normally I think these have
taken roughly 10 or so minutes, but we
allocate more than that just in case uh
it goes longer. And we are going to
start council member
>> Adair. All right, I'm first. All right,
this question has kind of two parts to
it. So, I'm gonna ask the whole
question. So, which goal or objective in
the Isiqua strategic plan do you
consider most critical to the success of
the city and why? And how would you
address this goal or objective? And I
can repeat the question if you need to.
Could you repeat it just
>> which goal or objective in the Isiqua
strategic plan do you consider most
critical to the success of the city and
why and how would you address this goal
or objective?
>> Gotcha. Okay.
Yeah. So
in this strategic plan uh I would say
the goals and objectives that's around
housing as well as uh kind of the
diverse and equitable uh
services and and just having Isiqua be a
place that is for uh everyone uh would
be in my mind the most important uh
objective. Ive uh I truly believe that
uh you know the concept of de and I the
you know diversity equity and inclusion
uh is a you know in the business realm
the whole fact that it exists because it
gets to better outcomes from a business
perspective but I think the same applies
from a community perspective uh we can't
solve problems uh if we all have the
same background and same ideas uh and
being able to to have a welcoming place
where there is a diverse amount of
people that call this place home and
that want to be contributing to this
place. Uh and the local community life
that we have gives us the ability to uh
think outside of the box, have multiple
perspectives and find those solutions to
the problems that we all experience uh
that
uh we might otherwise not think about.
So um that would be the uh the goal or
objective. How do we go about doing
that? Uh well part of that requires
you know the affordability piece. Um you
know socioeconomic status is an
important element of diversity here and
if it's too expensive to live here uh
for a certain amount of people that are
uh wanting to be here uh then we don't
have that uh diverse perspective. I
think that also uh needs to be
represented in leadership uh that we
have voices that are in leadership that
could speak to those um
concerns and issues. Uh so you know any
considerations about uh you know
appointing people or leadership in the
city. I think that the uh diversity
component is a really important part of
that uh that I would want to be working
toward. And I think the third part about
this too is uh more on the messaging
side. There's a lot of good things that
are already happening in the city that
not necessarily everyone knows about. Uh
so being able to find ways to get that
message out when there are opportunities
for community- based conversations uh
and opportunities for uh community-
based um gettogethers and uh community
building. uh you know being able to tell
that story in a compelling way that gets
people excited to be going to Isiqua get
us more salmon days sort of a thing uh
is always a good thing. So that's at a
high level the first thoughts that uh
come to me on that.
>> Excellent. And now we're going to go to
Council Member Nichols. Question number
two.
>> Thank you. And uh I'm also happy to
repeat these questions or this question.
Um,
the community says that public safety is
important. What do you consider the
critical public safety challenges for
the city and how might you hope to
address them in your first term on
council?
>> Could you repeat it again? I'm just
writing it down.
>> Yep. Make sure I get it all.
>> The community says that public safety is
important.
What do you consider the critical public
safety challenges for the city and how
might you hope to address them in your
first term on council?
Okay.
I do want to use this question to give
you a little bit of a background uh
around how I tend to think about
complicated
uh you know multiaceted
questions like this because um you know
I do come from the consulting world uh
and uh there is a theory called
stakeholder theory that is in a business
sense when you make decisions you have
to account for all the stakeholders that
are impacted by this decision, not just
the shareholders, the ones that need to
make money. Uh, and I've been really
influenced by a British economist
actually who wrote a book called Donut
Economics. Uh, and it's been one of my
guiding uh, considerations when it comes
to how to make decisions where there's,
you know, complicated factors to this.
And the basic argument here is that you
need to run through any particular
consideration uh, with a couple of
lenses. uh one being what's the social
floor where if you go below that floor
then you're hurting people uh and that's
an absolute no um in any sort of
decision that I'd want to make or help
influence and make. The other is the
ecological ceiling and that goes to more
to resources. You know, if you cut down
our entire forest to build houses, you
no longer have forces and you've gone
above the ecological ceiling. So when
I'm thinking about decisions, I'm
thinking about that median, that middle
ground where we've reached and met the
basic needs, but we're not going too far
to the point where we're hurting uh the
natural resources or the community of
our city in any way. Uh beyond that, the
questions that I then need to ask are
around like equity and access. Who's
included in this? Who is this impacting?
Um I want to ask the flourishing test.
how is this helping us thrive, not just
survive. Um, and then there's an
accountability component to the
decision-m as well. How do we know uh
that what the decision that we made was
successful? So, when it comes to public
safety, you know, we've had a a big
discussion about that today when it
comes to the flock cameras. Um, you
know, I want to make those ex those
considerations. So, what's the social
floor? How do we are making sure that
we're meeting our basic needs? PI the
right to privacy is a basic need uh that
we all have and all need to uh be
considering. Uh so you know right there
uh that puts a really hard uh
question on whether or not to go forward
with flock cameras for example. But even
larger uh for any sort of public uh
safety considerations, how we are
deploying our police force and how we
want them to uh engage in our community,
are we making sure that those
engagements are are meeting the
community's basic needs and from an
equity and access standpoint are uh
consistent uh regardless of who is
engaging with public safety. Um I think
at a broader level um
I am more on the side of you know
there's two parts to public safety right
there's the um
the work required to
bring about justice. So the the policing
work that's done after the fact. Uh but
then there's also the work beforehand
before you know something becomes a
public threat. Um, and I think we tend
to to think more about, you know, adding
resources to the after the-act component
where I think the consideration needs to
be to the before component as well. Um,
and what ways could we continue to
invest in the programs required to uh
help people uh and help people in ways
that don't they don't then feel like
they need to be engaging in any of the
actions that might uh put them down on,
you know, in the categorization of of
being a part of the public safety threat
that we're talking about. Um, so in that
sense, you know, I would certainly be
against flock cameras. Uh, and I would
also be
trying to put forward considerations for
you know social programs and other
organizationalbased
um community- based uh opportunities
that can you know put people on the
right path before uh you know we have to
get to the justice component of policing
on the back half. Does that answer your
question council member Nichols?
Okay. And then the third question, just
a time check. We're at 9 minutes, so
there's 11 minutes left for the last
three questions. And uh, Council Member
Joe, I'll go faster.
>> Thank you. Given that you would be
appointed to council without having run
a campaign for a contested seat, how
would you go about learning what's
important to the Isiqua constituents?
>> Yeah. Um, great question. Uh, I am an
incredibly curious person. And I feel
like that's one of my uh superpowers. Uh
I'm not trying to toot my own horn or
anything like that, but um I'm always
reading a book. So, first and foremost,
if there's a book about it, I want to
read it. Um I think I've already read 30
books this year. Uh but I recognize that
not everything is in a book. So beyond
that, I think the second component to,
you know, getting up to speed is going
to be having conversations, grabbing
coffee with anyone and everyone that,
um, has a point of view, um, that I have
yet to experience. Uh, I love having
one-on-one conversations. I love asking
questions. I love hearing people's
stories. Uh, and I would want to do
that. And I think the third component to
that is firsthand experience. It is
going to the events. It's um being in
the community um and just being in the
space. Uh and there would be a
commitment to uh advancing and having
more opportunity to do that uh solo but
also with my family when we have family
based events that I can bring my kids
and uh my wife to as well. So that would
be my approach there.
Excellent. Council member Walsh.
>> Thank you. What do you see as the
biggest challenge facing Isiqua and how
would you propose addressing it?
>> Yeah. Uh the biggest challenge in my
mind is housing and affordability. Um
you know, I spoke a little bit last time
around about my friend who's, you know,
above the median income, who's uh unable
to
buy a house in Isiqua. Really wants to
but can't. Uh and just the thought again
if we go back to you know community for
all people uh if you know more than half
of the King County can't afford to live
here um then that needs to be considered
uh how we can make that more accessible
for more people. Um so what do we do
from a housing standpoint? Um I'm
mindful that you know there are some you
know big picture ideas that would cost a
lot of money and that would take a lot
of time. uh and you know might be harder
to do but there also might be some
easier and quicker wins that we can do
as well. So, um I think in my mind, one
thing is to be thinking about in what
ways can we make those quick winds
easier and what ways can we um reduce
like permitting friction um for you know
additional like accessory dwelling units
within current house housing. um you
know, thinking through in what ways we
can um
think through our zoning and see if
there's ways to include some teeth in
the zoning to make sure that when uh
housing is being built that's it's being
built across um all income levels so
that there is accessibility across the
board and doing some of the work when we
think about the uh you know my donut
economics thing here and my decision
lenses thinking about like how to
measure that and how to make sure that
you know for the uh King County
averages, you know, are we making sure
that we have accessible housing across
the board there? Um I think some of the
bigger ideas that take a lot more work
and a lot more thing out there. I'm
really interested in like the concept of
a community land trust model where uh
you kind of divorce the cost of the land
from the cost of the house to make that
a bit more affordable for people. Um but
yes uh those are just some options but
largely that's the the critical
challenge that I see is making sure that
uh the people who want to live here uh
can live here uh because again that'll
help us all from a flourish flourishing
community standpoint.
>> All right. Excellent. And Deputy
President Jen last question.
>> Great. Last question. Um if appointed to
the Isiqua City Council, what would you
uniquely bring to the council that would
make us better?
Yeah. Uh, good question. So, I come from
the consulting world.
Uh, and I do want to note that one of
the things about coming from the
consulting world is that I had to put I
had to take a new project every couple
of weeks. We had quick burn projects
where I had to jump around from topic to
topic and I had to get up to speed fast.
Um, I'm mindful that serving on council
means that you have to jump around a lot
across different topics that apply to
the city and it takes a lot of work to,
you know, know just enough to be
dangerous across the board. Uh, and as a
consultant, I had to do that every day
jumping around from different clients,
different technologies, different uh,
service models etc. Um I think the other
element uh that I can bring to the table
here um is my background my educational
background. Uh I my background in
philosophy teaching adjunct and business
ethics. It's given me a chance to kind
of pursue questions from all angles. Uh
recognizing that there's always a push
and pull. Uh that you can't give
everyone a win at all times. But that's
why I want to consider you know the
donut economic that kind of safe and
just equilibrium where any decision that
I make uh not only you know takes us
above the social floor but also doesn't
push us beyond the ecological ceiling uh
where we're in that safe and just space.
Um and yeah I mean I fully buy in to the
strategic uh plan that city of Isiqua
has uh and I'd love to serve with you.
um if at all possible and I appreciate
your time and just thank you. I'm here.
>> Excellent. Very well done. And I will
say I'm I finished my last book over the
weekend. So what's your favorite of the
30 books you read this year?
>> Great question. Um
I've been So I read The Grapes of Wrath
finally. I hadn't read that one yet, so
that was really good. Um and then uh The
Ecology of Freedom by a philosopher. Um,
I'd have to go look up his name again,
but that was really interesting point of
view in terms of community- based
interdependence and trying to recognize
the fact that like we need each other
and to be free doesn't mean to be
separated from people, but it means to
to bring what you have to the table and
to be able to encourage each other
toward the common goal that you might
all have. So, that was a really good
book.
>> Oh, excellent. Okay, you do not have to
go back in the other room. You can hang
out here and we will have the city
clerk. Do we have some sort of bat
signal? The bat signal is you just walk
back to the room. Oh, wait.
>> Thank you so much, everyone.
>> Thank you, Don.
Okay, Erica, the way it works, you will
get five questions. We're going to start
with Council Member Nichols and with
Council President Martz. And the total
time is 20 minutes. Like I said, not
required to go the full 20, but you do
have that option. And uh and with that,
let's start with Council Member Nichols.
Oh, we're going the Okay, switching
direction. We're going to end with Kevin
and start with Council President Marts
would have been the same five. Kevin
Russell.
>> Oh,
>> oh, okay.
>> Sorry, I wasn't sorry. I wasn't clear
when we discussed it.
>> Council President Martz, you get
question number one. So then Deputy
President Jen gets Okay, I get I'm
tracking. I'm tracking.
>> Or we could just go with the same five
people. Let's let's just go with the
same five people asking the same five
questions to get continuity uh as much
as before since otherwise I think it's a
little confusing. If that's okay with
you, Mr. Eric, don't worry. We're not
charging you time for this conversation.
>> Is that okay with Is that okay with you,
Mr. Man? Rather than try to figure it
out right now. Thank you.
>> Okay, council member
>> Dair then I'm first. All right, here we
go. All right. This uh question is two
parts so and I can repeat it as needed.
Okay.
>> Which goal or objective in the Isiqua
strategic plan do you consider most
critical to the success of the city and
why? And the second part, how would you
address this goal or objective?
Thank you for your patience with me. Can
you all hear me? Awesome. Um sometimes
if I write things down, I'll hold it in
my brain a little. Um as I think through
it, I'll um lose the question
potentially. So um uh of we have a
really well-built strategic plan and I
know a lot of that is because of how uh
community informed it is. Um for me uh
I'm
gravitating most towards socioeconomic
vitality. I really think that is such a
good measure uh and pulse across
the entire city. It has multiple touch
points on things like uh
how well our businesses are doing and
the jobs that are anchored here to
housing
um and to human services which for me uh
will be a big priority of mine should I
be appointed to this vacancy. And so
to
second question was how would I address
it? Um
I think housing really is an anchor of
socioeconomic vitality. When you have
enough housing uh that's built, it can
help address so many other uh
issues that the city uh is looking to
resolve. Um, but I know housing is a
really big one and
I might not be able to share specifics
right at this moment, but uh it's
it's something we've heard again and
again from our community that needs to
be addressed. Uh the city I know has
looked at uh
this issue multiple ways and multiple
times. We've identified the place uh
where we would like to build up within
the uh central escrow regional growth
area and yet
we don't have development there. So um
I think the biggest lever we can pull to
boost our socioeconomic vitality is
building and I don't want to leave any
stone unturned and trying to solve that.
>> Okay. Excellent. Council Nichols.
>> Thank you. Um the community says that
public safety is important.
What do you consider the critical public
safety challenges for the city and how
might you hope to address them in your
first term on council?
And I'm happy to repeat that if it's
helpful.
>> So, what do I consider um within public
safety um the critical challenges? How
would I address that?
Uh when I was reviewing
different documents in preparation for
this, I noticed that uh within the Isqua
community survey, um
public safety really gets high marks and
I know regionally postco
crime trends are going down depending on
what kind it is. Uh, I know that from
the community survey, we are
consistently ranked as safe and so
I need to think a little more about how
I would specifically address it. But I
know
for certain what I would do is
what I can to maintain the level of
safety that uh get such high marks in
our feedback from the community.
I'm also very conscious uh I shared my
story uh in my earlier presentation a
couple weeks ago. Um, my mom is uh in
law enforcement. She has been since I
was a very small child and I'm very
proud of her career. I grew up actually
playing with a box of toys uh on the
department floor while she would finish
up her reports. And if it's any
indication of my age, one of the toys
included a slinky and a couch ball. But
um
police technology has come so far since
my mom started her career. She was
writing paper tickets when I was a kid.
Uh,
and
I'm I'm
as we review technology, I want to make
sure that
safety
I want to take a good hard look and
listen to the community about who feels
safe because I know that safety means
different things for different people.
And so my first step in addressing um
should I be appointed
uh it's to do some some deeper listening
and dig into the data and per my public
administration background look at what
problem we're trying to solve. Um,
I'll look into what aspects of public
safety are we maybe not getting uh such
high marks on in our feedback from the
community, but I know overall
we do a pretty good job and so I don't
want to do anything to dismantle that.
>> Excellent. Council Joe,
>> given that you would be appointed to
council without having run a campaign
for a contested seat, how would you go
about learning what's important to
Isiqua constituents?
>> Thank you for the question. Um,
I am very cognizant that um I would not
have uh doornocking opportunities uh
until I so choose. Um, I won't leave
that um um unattended potentially. Uh
just cuz I'm not running doesn't mean
that I can't go and talk to my
neighbors. Um I know it's a little
unique, but uh but I really believe in
meeting the community where they're at.
And I know that this works from my work
uh at um within my professional job. We
put together I helped support uh the
building of the state's first uh
perinatal 325 youth behavioral health
strategic plan getting multiple state
agencies all rowing in the same
direction to address uh something that's
been identified as a really high need uh
within our state and I know it is here
in this community as well but um
I we were most successful especially in
getting the voices from
the exact demographics that the plan was
hoping to address youth when we went to
the places they were at like different
fairs um plugging into different
committees they were already
um attending or uh youth events, mental
health fairs. And so for me
with the consent and the permission of
the community, I would be attending
things like that. um like um whether
it's
the Latino Circle or uh I'm already a
avid uh lover of our farmers market and
I know that uh city council members have
posted up there before um to talk to the
community um and
uh would continue to um just keep my ear
to the ground as best as I can and uh I
know beyond knocking on doors and things
just looking at the community feedback
portions of all of the plans we have um
the community survey that we do each
year and uh
as well as we get good feedback from our
boards and commissions. I know when I
I've been on TAB for a few years now,
currently the chair and um we've had
city council members just come in and
listen um you know and it's always
really great um being on those boards
and having that acknowledgement and just
uh being able to
um
I think council members can get a
different perspective when they attend
those. and um
I would commit to doing that as much as
I can.
>> Excellent. Council Walsh,
>> thank you. Um what do you see as the
biggest challenge
facing Isiqua and how would you propose
addressing it?
Um I touched on this earlier but uh for
certain I think housing I think we have
we have an identified area that we want
uh to build in and yet we're having some
difficulty. So um I'm encouraged by uh
the earlier council retreat that
happened this year. um just the
enthusiasm to
come at this from
different angles uh and take into
account that so much work has already
been done um
various reports uh I'm really encouraged
by I think it's the R refellis report
that identified um ways to make the
permitting process easier more
streamlined Um, I know other cities have
had success with that, too. And, uh, I
would do what I could to make sure we
keep that great pace that we're, uh, I
think really finding now. Um, and my
kudos goes out to the city staff with
that.
Um,
I'd be focused on what's within this our
the city's control to incentivize
development. Um especially for workforce
housing
uh
which can also address a lot of other
if your workforce is able to live where
they work that can address things like
congestion
um which I know is another big challenge
uh for the city that I've definitely
heard as on my time on tab
and
Uh, I'm curious what more the city can
do, how we can look into um our code
provisions to increase the diversity of
our housing types. Uh, in my
last presentation to the city, I um
mentioned wanting to build more housing,
but build housing that's easier for
folks to connect to their neighbors. And
um I know that uh the financial
feasibility of cottage housing,
courtyard apartments in different zones,
we might have to pull some other levers
like parking um in order to make that a
reality. And I certainly don't want uh
the perfect to get in the way of the
good. But I know that
I think we can do both. I think we can
densify and build housing and make it
really enjoyable to live in.
>> Excellent. And the last question, Deputy
President Jen.
>> Great. Last question. Um, if appointed
to the Isiqua City Council, what would
you uniquely bring to the council that
would make us better?
>> Thank you for the question and thank you
for allowing me to partake in this
process. It's really been an honor.
I have a uh unique set of skills from my
professional experience um working as a
legislative assistant. Uh I hear from
folks daily about um what they think is
working for them from government um what
they like to see more of. You typically
don't hear a lot about uh what they
think is working really well. I am
cognizant of that. Um,
oftentimes no news is good news. And I'm
guilty of this myself. I I remember uh
driving over a filledin pothole in my
road and thinking, "Ah, this is great.
I'm so happy the city fixed this." And
of course, I didn't say anything. So,
that's why I made to practice some more
gratitude there and put my money where
my mouth is. that um I
bring with me deep listening skills.
When I interact with constituents,
members of the public, it's my goal to
make sure that even if we disagree on an
issue or what the issue even is or how
to address it, I want that person to
leave the conversation at least feeling
heard and ideally that they had a
positive interaction with their
government.
um especially in the age of automation
or chat bots, they heard a real human
listen to their concerns and I bring
that same spirit and ethos to any any
work on the council.
As I mentioned earlier, I have lived
experience um with both my career and my
personal live experience of um
benefiting from government services
being on the women infants and children
program as an infant um which helped me
grow. I've seen the benefit that
government can have. Um,
and
I also
relating to the human services realm,
I want to do as much as I can to address
um, get folks pointed in the right
direction, whether it's behavioral
health, clothing. We know there's gaps
um identified within the human services
plan. Um
I'd mentioned earlier in my presentation
a couple weeks ago that there's truly no
greater joy than be able being able to
be that conduit and connect someone with
what they're seeking or what they need
or at least point them in the right
direction. And um I'd be looking for
those glimmers and
being able to create hope on the horizon
in my time on council.
I know what it's like to be able to have
um access to behavioral health resources
and have a supportive community.
I know there's folks out in Isiqua that
are seeking that. Um we've got great
city staff and resources that um already
point them in the right direction and
wrap them around them with support that
we can offer and to the best of my
ability.
I want to keep my foot on the gas with
that.
>> All right. Excellent. Thank you very
much. And both Erica and Donovan, you
guys did excellent.
We are now going to go in executive
session. Qualifications appointment for
RCW42.30.110
parentheses one parentheses small age.
Council will now go on executive
session. The close session is expected
to take approximately 15 minutes. It may
be extended. If the time is extended,
the clerk will come down and make an
announcement. The city council is
planning to act after the close session
as part of the open meeting to make an
appointment. Executive sessions are
closed to the public. Council members,
the executive session will be held
upstairs. We will now go into executive
session at 9:00 and the session will
officially start in 5 or 10 minutes
somewhere in between there whenever
everyone's ready. And uh with that we
are now in executive session.
Okay.
Yep.
Yeah, it is
I know.
Happy
48 hours.
So crazy.
That's not going to work.
Why are you not
Wow.
No idea.
And then I was
That night,
philosophy
of the world.
Where did the other
Arseny, you're like ahead of us here. I
like it. The red light is
ready.
Okay,
we are back in open session at 9:22
p.m. At this point, the city council can
nominate individuals to the appointment.
Are there any comments before the
nominations are made?
>> Council President Mart. So, this is
probably a broken record at this point,
but uh you know, I will say that uh this
is uh always a tough decision and uh you
know, we we got down to a a smaller
finalist pool this time than previous
times. Uh so in some senses that
ratchets the pressure up a little bit,
but um you know look at the hallowed
list of people who had not gotten
appointed to city council in the past
and seen so many of them that went on to
great things like Bill Ramos uh and Mary
Lupali. So uh this is but one chapter in
uh an ongoing conversation and an
ongoing uh relationship with the city.
Thank you.
>> All right. Okay. So, are you ready to
make nominations? As a reminder,
nominees need to be made by one council
member and seconded by another council
member Joe.
>> Mayor Mola, thank you. Um, I would like
to nominate Erica Boyd to fill our
council vacancy for position number two.
Council
>> Walsh.
>> Second.
>> Okay. There's been a nomination and a
second. Is there any discussion? Council
member Joe,
>> I want to thank both candidates for
going through this process. Um, as a
former attorney, I know how hard it is
to get up to that dis and to put your
life out there for all the world to see
and for people to scrutinize your
answers or things you might not say. Um,
but I think that in this particular
case, we have a a need that we need to
fill, which is uh a person that can uh
fill a void that Barb D Michelle left us
when we have um
the need to have a person that's a keyed
into community service and our nonprofit
community and communicating with those
that are less fortunate in our community
in a way that lifts them up and uh will
help us be a stronger council overall as
we are more um sensitive to uh the needs
of our community along the way. I think
Erica fills that need. That's not to say
that other candidates uh in the future
might not uh be eligible or want to come
forward either in a process where
there's a selection or an election in
the future uh as well. But, uh, I fully,
uh, support Erica's, uh, nomination and,
uh, look forward to voting yes for her
this evening.
All right. Not seeing any other
discussion. Are there any other
nominations?
Okay. So, the first nominee is Erica
Boyd. There's no further discussion. All
those in favor of reporting Erica Boyd
to council position number three, please
signify by saying I.
Please signify by saying I. and raising
your hand. I
>> by unanimous vote, Erica Boyd is now
appointed to is city council position
number three. Congratulations. Uh
we're going to do the oath of office
next. But I will say, Donovan, I think
Council Member Joe pointed out at the
farmers markets, two people we'd always
see there very early on were you and
Erica. So you guys may not have realized
it, but your paths have been crossing, I
guess, at farmers market Saturdays for
quite a while. And we really appreciate
you putting yourself out there for this
process. You did an excellent job as
well. And Erica, I'm going to meet you
up front for the oath of office.
So, yes, you got to raise your right
hand. You know the drill. That's good.
>> I state your name.
>> I, Eric Boy.
>> Having been duly appointed to Is City of
Isiqua Council position number three.
having the duty of the city,
>> do solemnly swear
>> domly swear
>> that I will faithfully and impartially
>> That I will faithfully and
>> discharge the duties of this office
>> discharge the duties of this office
>> according to the law
>> according to the law
>> and to the best of my ability
>> to the best of my ability
>> that I will support
>> that I will support
>> the Constitution of the United States
>> the constitution of the United States
>> and the Constitution and laws of the
state of Washington
>> and the Constitution laws of the state
of Washington
>> and all local ordinances and all.
>> All right. Congratulations.
Oh, got it.
Let's do the photo. We'll do the photo
first.
>> Now you can sign.
You have to do both of those.
We're going to we're going to take a
short break so we can do one group photo
and then we will reconvene.
Okay, we are now Whoa, wait. We're back
in open session at 9:29.
The next item of business is committee
regional reports. We'll go through each
council member to have them give us
their reports. And council member Boyd,
do you want to report on your regional
committees? I'm just kidding. Council
member Adair.
>> Uh uh thank you. Uh I just have that the
services, safety, and parks committee
meeting that was originally scheduled
for April 28th was cancelled because the
May meeting was moved up to May 5th. So
as a result, the agenda items for both
April and May were combined into the May
5th meeting to avoid holding two
meetings one week apart.
That concludes my report.
>> Council member Nichols. Thank you. The
East Side Transportation Partnership met
in person on uh Friday, April 10th, but
I will defer for the committee report on
that to the vice chair of that
committee,
>> Council Member Joe.
>> Thank you. Uh the Mobility and
Infrastructure Committee, uh which is
scheduled for next was scheduled for
next week is canled. Um
we're canceling it because it was
originally scheduled on the night that
the school district meeting uh and
council uh dinner was scheduled. So um
we just moved it to next month. April
22nd, Cascade Water Alliance Board will
be meeting and I'm on the Finance and
Intergovernmental Committee and that's
meeting on 421.
Lastly, uh, ELTAC met this afternoon and
we, um, discussed the applications that
we received last year and talked about
how those applications can be improved
and the information that we received can
be, um, better processed by us to cut
down on our time potentially that we
review those applications. We also
talked about uh reporting factors that
were brought up at the uh council
meeting during the ELTAC discussion and
um trying to have a more visible
transparent process for that uh
information as it comes back uh for
council to deliberate on. Lastly, we
received a report from our destination
management organization, Visit Isiqua,
and found out about uh the things that
they've been doing in the last quarter.
I believe that report uh has been
forwarded or will be forwarded to
council. So look for it in your email
boxes. That concludes my report. Thank
you.
>> All right, Council Member Walsh.
>> Thank you. I have three reports. Um as
the chair of the Planning, Development,
and Environment Committee, I want to
report out that our next meeting is on
May 19th, which again is a changed dates
because of a few shifting things. Um, we
will discuss code amendments and uh a
goals and outcomes discussion for our
proposed new housing work. And I guess I
would I was going to say the for those
who remember it, we had a goals and
outcomes chart for um our title 18 work,
but honestly uh council president Martz,
I think you're the only one here that
was there at that time. So, we're
bringing that back because it works.
>> Yes. Yeah, that was just two years
earlier when we started the process.
Yeah.
>> Um the council rules ad hoc. So we met
on April 2nd and provided feedback on
several sections of the council rules.
Uh social media policy, audience
comments, seating, voting and
abstensions, confidentiality,
correspondence, and the special meeting
process. Uh, we were supposed to address
the new business request process and use
of staff time, but those items were
continued to the April 21st meeting due
to a lack of time. Our next meeting is
tomorrow, April 21st, at 6:30 p.m. at
the steelhead room. Um, we will review a
draft of the social media policy,
provide guidance on the changes to the
new business requests and use of staff
time topics, and review a complete set
of draft amendments to council rules and
provide input on the presentation to C
uh, city council because we're going to
report out at the May 4th meeting. And
then East Side Fire and Rescue, we met
on April 9th to continue the very
important detailed conversation about
consolidation and financing options. One
of the things we learned there is East
Side Fire and Rescue is a little bit
ahead of the curve in that we basically
created
regional fire governance but without all
of the state levers for funding it by
creating what we currently have now with
an interlocal agreement and a nonprofit.
And so we reviewed um the other options
that might be out there um including a
regional fire authority or consolidating
into an existing RFA regional fire
authority or looking at uh fire
districts. We discussed pros and cons.
Uh we also had a bunch of other
information about the potential
financial impacts but again we ran out
of time because we have such detailed
and lovely uh conversation. So that is
pushed to the May meeting. Um, we also
nominated members for the finance and
administration committee which will
include council member Adair and our
next meeting is May 14th and that
concludes my report.
>> Right, Deputy President Jay.
>> Great. I have three as well. Um, so the
first one as council member Nichols
mentioned, we had an Eastside
Transportation Partnership meeting on
Friday, April 10th in Redmond. Um, PSRC
shared some federal and state updates.
We went around all the cities shared
their local priorities. One in
particular to call out is that Samish
mentioned their number one priority is
supporting Isiqua light rail which was
great. Um and then one of the items on
the agenda was um I had worked with uh
some council members from Kirkland to
draft a letter of support for the four
line for the east side transportation
partnership. There were a few you know
minor edits that were brought up and so
um we worked with metro staff to kind of
implement those adjustments. Um and we
will be approving that or voting to
approve that in May in the next ETP
meeting which is on May 9th. Um the King
County Regional Homelessness Authority
had our board retreat that same day
which was Friday uh April 10th in person
in Seattle. Um we discussed 2025
accomplishments and 2026 opportunities.
Lots of um interesting questions from
board members. We also discussed the
creation of a finance committee and an
executive committee. So, more to come on
that and I think probably the finance
committee is going to be created um in
our next board meeting which is this
Friday, April 24th. Um which will be
held virtually from 10:00 a.m. to 12:00
p.m. Finally, this Friday, the King
County Flood Control District Advisory
Committee, it's a handful, it's a
sevenletter acronym. Um we have our
first meeting this Friday uh from 1 to 3
pm. Um and so basically this committee
advises King County, the King County
Council in their offices as the King
County Flood Control District on what
types of uh flood mitigation projects to
fund. And so apparently the criteria
for, you know, how they prioritize flood
mitigation projects has changed since
the flooding back in December. So that's
going to be interesting. Probably
there's going to be more funding given
what we saw in December as well. So,
we'll have updates after that. That
concludes my report.
>> All right. Council President Martz.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Sound Cities
Association Public Issues Committee met
on Wednesday, April 8th at 7 p.m. Uh, it
was really the biggest issue was around
the King County Transportation
District's
uh 0.1 countywide sales tax. Um so the
punchline is that um when the KCTD met
at different times of the evening there
were seven of the nine members in favor
of at least some city pass through. The
problem was that there was no more than
four of the nine on any particular vote.
Uh so the executive's office actually
opposed the pass through but has
indicated a willingness to engage in
conversation with the appropriate
formula for a pass through. We um so uh
executive director Feldstein sort of
went through what the objections were.
Some of them are like well you've never
had a pass through of uh this exact
style before from the county back to the
cities and um he had good
counterarguments for each of it. Um KCTD
is likely to vote on an updated proposal
in May. I forwarded you all the language
of a draft uh draft letter. Um we did
some word smithing on that. There may be
some further word smithing. I believe
that that language reflects the last
time this council spent some time on the
subject. We are right in the middle lane
of how other cities feel about it which
is like 20 to 25%
um would be uh would be fair and not
usurious uh on the county. But if
anybody has any feedback on that letter,
please send it to me and uh and I will
incorporate that in my comments back
next month. Uh the Sound Cities
Association Board of Directors met the
following uh Wednesday at 10 a.m. at Ren
City Hall and it was really mostly again
about this transportation district, the
King County Transportation District.
That was the big thing. Um there was
also at both of them there was um I
would also say a spirited conversation
about um Olympia this year and about uh
where we had successes and where we did
not have successes and how uh we can go
about having better engagement with uh
the folks in Olympia and have a you know
move beyond our immediate legislators.
you know, go talk to some other
legislators uh out there who help them
understand our needs for for example um
because our legislators know us well at
this point hopefully. Uh so it was a so
both but both pick and uh the board of
directors there was quite quite a lot of
conversation about how do we um talk
better in Olympia about um issues that
come up at the city level. a feeling
that perhaps um the way that it went um
indicated we could improve those
conversations. That concludes my report.
>> Excellent. Hear that? RIP Paul. Council
President Marts wants to reach your
legislative colleagues and expand his
horizons.
Okay. So, tonight the rainer dog the new
Rainer Trail dog park opened. The
council was there. It was very exciting.
Uh Chris Kovac's dog Bug successfully
put on Tim Smith's GoPro and retrieved
the very first tennis ball in the Isiqua
new dog park and it was fun event. The
spring business openhouse is this
Thursday from 9:00 a.m. to 10:30 at
Blakeley Hall. People can come by
basically city staff will be there. I
plan to be there. All the council is
invited if they can make it and
basically just give people in the small
business community squad a chance to ask
questions and and understand how to
better navigate the process. Uh downtown
is called summer wine and art starts
this Friday. That's at 6:00. My wife
Kelly and I have already purchased our
tickets and uh so we will be there. I
have not checked the weather yet, but we
encourage everyone to attend the
winewalk. And then Stacy sustainability
fair and the farmers market preview is
this Saturday. So inside Pickering Barn
you have sustainability fair and at the
same time it's sort of not the I think
the official launch of the farmers
market is Saturday May 1st but this is
called like the preview launch and so a
lot of the vendors will actually have
their stuff set up as well during the
sustainability fair this Saturday April
25th from 9:00 a.m. to 2 p.m. Uh ebike
demos, EV showcases, uh free clothing,
tree giveaways, uh and Council Member
Joe. Yes, I will be at the Cascade Water
Alliance board meeting this Wednesday
from 3:30 to 5:00. We still have to
figure out what we're doing with the
interim executive director versus
potentially doing a search for a new
executive director. And and I assume we
will hopefully resolve that issue at the
meeting this Wednesday. And that
concludes the mayor's report. Does
anyone have anything for the go to the
order? Council member Walsh.
>> Thank you. Um, responsive to the
community who have emailed us um, over
the last several weeks and who came out
tonight, I would move that the city
council direct the mayor and city
administration to place the topic of the
congressional community appropriations
grant and the proposed automative
license plate reader camera program on
the agenda for the council committee of
the whole meeting on May 11th, 2026,
including a full staff briefing and
opportunity for council discussion.
>> I'll second that.
>> There's been a motion and a second. Is
there any conversation? Council member
Walsh.
>> Thank you. Um
I just feel it's really important at
this point to
understand that our community needs um
transparency, accountability, and really
acknowledging that we are going to
follow through on issues that have
already been identified as important. um
these automatic license plate readers,
ALPRS or flot cameras um was previously
scheduled to come before us on May 19th
and then it was removed from the agenda
calendar. Um as I mentioned at the same
time we've received a significant volume
of public feedback particularly
regarding the flot cameras um with many
community members asking us to address
this issue openly rather than delay it.
Um, I think it's really important that
we establish a clear and timely path
forward and not delay something to a
time uncertain after a um, new police
chief is hired. Adding this item to our
already scheduled May 11th committee of
the whole meeting accomplishes a few
things. It restores a public process
around an issue that has generated
community concern, provides transparency
into both the grant opportunity and the
proposed flock camera program. It gives
the council the opportunity to ask
questions and receive a full briefing
from staff and it creates a community
conversation and a point where the
community knows when they can hear um
about something. Um the motion does not
take a position on the substance of the
proposal. It simply ensures that the
discussion happens in a public
transparent setting consistent with a
role in providing oversight. Um so I
think it's just really important that we
recognize that the public is eager for
engagement on this topic and um needs an
appropriate and timely opportunity to do
that. Council President Marts,
>> I'm I'm a little confused about the
about what's actually being proposed. We
we write checks, we pass laws, we pass
resolutions. Which of those three are
are we talking about doing here?
>> I am directing suggesting we direct the
administration to bring an item to our
agenda um that was previously removed.
>> The So you're asking because I'm not
sure. So, you're asking them to bring
the grant because the grant is doesn't,
I believe, require our approval.
>> Well, it should if it's a contract or
since over $300,000, which is what the
city
council has approval authority.
>> One of my fellow council members
approval.
>> Does it does it or does it not require
city approval
>> or council approval, I should say? We're
still working with the federal
government on that, but I think it at
this point we believe it will, but
again, we don't have something to bring
before the council at this point.
>> Right. So, you're you're basically
directing them to finish preparing that.
>> Yes. Because the previous um timeline
that was given to us was May 19th. That
has since been pulled and we've received
a lot of community concern over that.
And so even if the full and concise
complete information cannot be achieved
by the May 11th, I believe the community
deserves a time certain and a time in
within the bounds of the time period
that was previously mentioned in order
to hear what the council's responses to
this topic.
Can I ask the city clerk, did the item
get bold or did it get moved to a
different date later in the calendar?
>> It is currently not on our planning
calendar.
>> It's currently under the TBD 2026
awaiting more precise scheduling. So
>> got it.
>> Mr. Mayor, if I can just remind the
council that the planning calendar is
just that. It's a planning calendar. It
does not commit us to anything. We do it
as a courtesy um to be transparent. Um
and we often say that dates move, you
know, and uh certainly we do our best to
fulfill them, but there is no obligation
by the administration to fulfill any of
that. We do our best and I think as the
mayor has said um this evening, it has
been his judgment uh that this item
still needs additional uh study. we want
to wait for a new police chief because
that individual is going to have to move
forward with the responsibility of
protecting the community uh and feel
that it's important for that individual
to have uh some time and given that it's
we're going to be hopefully interviewing
candidates at the end of May um a little
bit delay doesn't seem to be an issue
for us. We have until the end of
September to uh work on the to accept
the grant. Um, so we have some time.
>> Council President Mart, did you
>> uh Okay. So, um, I think I'm going to
oppose this motion. Um, I think that I
have heard
I think in the community there is a
range of opinions. Um, there are folks
who are just dead set against using
ALPRs
and there are folks who don't like how
uh, Flock organizes its ALPRs and I
suspect there are folks in the community
who are okay with it, although we didn't
hear from many of them this evening. Um,
I think that ALPRs
are remind me very much of uh, body
cameras. For many years, we did not
implement body cameras because the ACLU
of Washington and National ACLU and
other organizations had a lot of
concerns with body cameras. Um, over
time those concerns were addressed and
now body cameras are considered an
essential tool for policing. Um, I don't
know if I support using ALPRs. I don't
know where I sit in that spectrum that I
just described. Um, but I want to have a
comprehensive conversation. And I think
forcing the administration to have a
date certain uh on something. I've never
seen that before. I've never seen this
council do that in 17 years. Attempt to
force the administration to do have a
conversation. I mean, you can you can
pass a resolution and say, "I hate lock
cameras." Right? But forcing the
administration to bring a bill forward
seems really weird to me. So, I think
it's a bad idea. I think it sets a bad
precedent. I also think we should have a
comprehensive conversation about ALPRs.
I think we should understand um are you
know there is Axon, there is Motorola,
there are other solutions other than
flock. I don't know if this grant uh
would allow that but you know there's
other potential solutions out there.
Points were brought up about you know
domestic abuse. I would be interested to
know if the police feel that you have
that um ALPRs give tools to people to
help prevent domestic abuse because you
can um you can tag the you know the
potential vehicles that are coming in. I
just think there's a lot of questions
associated with this. I think it's an
important conversation to have. I don't
want to have the wrong conversation and
I certainly don't want to again rush the
administration into something that
they're not ready to do. So for all
those reasons I'm going to oppose this
motion this evening. Thank you. Council
member Nichols.
>> Thank you.
Rachel Turpin, city attorney. I just
wanted to I I looked up the grant while
we were sitting here and it's for
$452,000.
So, it will definitely have to come to
council. So, there's no way for the city
to legally implement this grant without
it getting council approval at whether
it be, you know, now or in the future.
So just to clarify that I also wanted to
let everyone know um the grant is for
more than flock cameras. The application
was for other technology and I believe
that the flock cameras were pretty small
part of it and the estimate for the
other technology is pretty outdated. So
I'm not sure in you know my my
understanding is I'm not really even
sure how much grant money would be left
over for flock. However, I think that
you might need more time um
to actually like get more estimates to
actually know what the current costs
are.
>> And I Rachel is it it's basically the
way the grant is designed.
>> You could do all tasers if you wanted
to. And that would be one option that
the new police chief, the new chief of
police could recommend to the council is
just saying, "Hey, based on the status
of the city's current equipment, I'm
recommending X." But we don't know at
this point in time what that new police
chief's recommendation would be because
we're interviewing that person on May
28th and May 29th. Is that
>> Yes, that is correct. That's that is my
understanding of the grant is that it's
we have put several options in our
application. It can be used for any of
those. But um it doesn't it mean you
know it doesn't mean that there's not
some aortion that's aortioned to one
versus the other and it's likely that
the tasers will end up costing more than
we thought they would.
>> Okay. Uh Council Member Nichols.
>> Yeah. Um I I think I I first of all I
support this motion. Um but I want to
just briefly on the procedural sides of
things. I mean my my understanding is
that we do do these kinds of things
somewhat routinely. Um we the I think
the second meeting I was at we had a
good of the order motion brought up
under the same process effectively to
have a resol to to bring forward a
discussion on uh supporting a school
levy that was upcoming. So as far as one
of the tools that are available to the
council to try to control our agenda,
this is my understanding is one of them.
We also have um in our council rules, we
have the it's state it's worded oddly.
It says the council president andor the
mayor are able to move these things
around. Um and we also have of course
the new business item that we exercise
tonight. So we do have it's our it's our
meeting. We do have control over the
agenda and we have a couple different
mechanisms to do that and I think this
is an example that's well within the
spirit of others that have quite
recently been used. Um I I don't want to
debate flock cameras tonight. I don't
think it'll come as any surprise to
anybody that I'm against them, but uh I
don't want to because this motion isn't
about that. It's about that procedural
step of trying to bring forward this
discussion sooner as we have many in our
community very very very clearly saying
they would like to see. Um and I think
it's appropriate to as well. Um I I have
heard the argument that we should wait
for a new police chief. Um and frankly I
I disagree with that. I think we we know
what we will need to know with only very
limited exceptions what from what would
happen between now and the time we get a
new police chief and that's because as
was brought up in the overwhelming
public comments that we've got on this
adopting one of these programs comes
down to trust and there's a couple
different layers of that trust that I
want to specifically name because I
think understanding those is important
to why this is a good conversation to
have now and why it shouldn't matter if
we wait. So layer one with this trust is
we have to trust our federal government
not to access our residents data in ways
that we don't sanction. Uh multiple
examples and mechanisms for that to
happen were brought up tonight. Layer
two, we have to trust whether ALPR
vendors we work with have adequate
safeguards and to not expose or monetize
our data in ways we don't want them to.
Multiple examples of that failure mode
were brought up tonight. We also have to
trust other Washington police agencies
with whom we would share the data on our
residents and visitors to follow their
own policies and ours and not to become
a side door that exposes our residents
to surveillance. Multiple examples of
that were brought up tonight.
Finally, four, we have to trust our own
department's internal compliance. Uh as
we're all aware, our department has had
struggles to put it mildly to comply
with their stated policies on
appropriate polic on on how these these
data are entered for to allow auditing.
However, that's the only topic where I
would really be interested to hear in a
new a new police chief's opinion. Um,
and
I think if we are no on any of those
first layers of trust, if we're no on
the federal government, if we're no on
the companies overall, if we're no on um
how other agencies in Washington can be
trusted to always follow their own
policies,
then we should logically be no to the
entire proposal because it's it requires
trust on all of those. So waiting for a
new chief does not make sense to me. I
think we have quite a bit of feedback
from the community that they would like
to hear this put to bed now. Um, one way
or the other, it's obviously causing
quite a bit of anxiety for many many
people. Um, and the the new data we get
I think is only gerine in the case where
we first have all of those layers of
trust finalized. The the last point I
want to make on this is I have heard and
at least discussion that SB60002 will
offer us reassurance um and that that
we'll need time to figure out how to
implement that. That's another reason to
delay. Um
I I this is another one I just don't
really understand. Like that's a it's a
state statute that sets a minimum
acceptable behavior u but not like a
maximum aspiration for how carefully our
city should treat its residents data.
And we can have that discussion now too.
Um I I find it really notable. Well, the
prime sponsor of that bill, SB60002,
said earlier in the month, and I'm
quoting her, quote, "I don't like these
cameras either, and if you ask me at the
local level, I'd be very uncomfortable
with the cameras." So, when the
legislator who sponsored the guardrails
says she herself would be uncomfortable
deploying the technology, we should hear
that. Um, so 6002 is a floor, but it
permits us to stand very far above it if
we want to, and we know what we need to
know now, and we should let the
community know what our thoughts are.
So, I support the motion.
Council member.
>> Uh yes. So when this agenda item was was
originally on there, you know, it was
told to me that, you know, it was plans
to extend it and to delay it rather. And
at the time, I did support that because
I equally wanted a very robust uh level
of information and discussion on this
because I do think it is a very
important topic and one that has a lot
of layers, outcomes, and people affected
by it. So I did want more time to get
that information. But in the last few
weeks that my opinion on that decision
has changed due to the public outcry.
Like besides the you know daily emails
we are getting to city council. I've had
direct conversations of individuals in
this city just talking to me out on the
street neighbors. There is a real sense
of fear um uncertainty and the community
the the act of it community expecting it
to be discussed and then suddenly not
being discussed has created a sense of
distrust with this with this government
and I'm just seeing that daily now and
so I do feel that this discussion needs
to happen now earlier and I don't I
think the delay is creating more
problems by doing it and so I feel that
there is a mechanism in which we can
discuss this earlier as brought up you
know the the grant covers many
technologies perhaps the discussion is
simply on the specific of this
technology shouldn't be part of that
grant um you know the the mechanisms I'm
uncertain about of but I believe we do
need to have this discussion now in
order to regain that trust with the
community so I do support this motion
>> and I don't know the answer to Uh, city
administrator, do we know if Chief
Schwan's
availability is on May?
>> Uh, she is doing some traveling as she
concludes her service with the city. Um,
she certainly is said that she'll be
available electronically.
>> Okay. So, our chief of police is not in
town to do the presentation on May 11th.
I'm just making that clear. Uh,
okay. Council member Joe,
>> thank you. Um,
former mayor Fred Butler said something
that kind of sticks in my mind. Um, if
you want it bad, you get it bad. And let
me just put that in context for you. Um,
if we push this up and we don't know the
full contents of the package,
it creates a situation where the public
doesn't know what's in the package and
they'll be bringing comments about the
whatifs,
the whatabouts, and not the package
itself. If we wait, I'm hearing from the
administration that they'll know what
they're going to put in that package.
uh because they're working on the
estimates. They're working on the the
how the the pieces will be put together
in there and we'll know whether or not
there's even an element of flot cameras
in there or not. Uh and if there is, how
much it is and why it's being brought
forward.
The last element is the the police chief
issue. Um
think about it. when you come into a new
job,
uh you've just been hired. Um, I would
want the flexibility to um
create and mold the funding that's going
to adhere to my vision of what I want to
see in this new job and then put that
out there for a conversation with the
council or whatever governing body it
might be a board of directors to work on
that vision together. So, it's a shared
vision with compromise going forward.
If we decide to not do the grant at all,
uh that flexibility is gone for the new
person. If we decide what we want to put
into that grant without the input from
the new person that's coming in, we've
straight jacketed that person for at
least a year on the vision they would
like to put forward before we've even
heard what vision they'd like to bring
forward.
That doesn't mean that their vision is
going to be what we're going to do. That
doesn't mean that our vision vision is
what we're going to do. But we're going
to work together to find out what that
vision is and in a collaborative fashion
to welcome that new candidate in the new
police chief in so that vision can be
one that's shared by everybody. Um,
justice delayed is justice denied was
something that was said during the
debate about my ancestors and their
internment in Menadoka.
Um, in this particular case, delaying it
and telling the community that we are
delaying it and why we're delaying it
and then telling them what um, date
certain we're going to bring it back.
It's got to come back before September,
but the administration will have a
better idea of saying this is the date
that we're going to bring it back. Um,
if people want to comment on it, these
are the ways that they can comment on
it. Here are the public hearing
potentials. Here are the public comment
potentials. They will know what's in the
package. They'll know what they're
commenting on. We will know what we're
talking about and moving forward. If we
bring it in too early, there's just too
much speculation that can go on. And if
you have speculation about let's say a
um drug center for needles, you can have
a discussion that goes till midnight
because people are talking about the
whatifs and the speculation, not talking
about what's actually in the package.
I'd be in favor of not supporting this
motion so that we could have a clear
picture from the administration from our
new police chief what is going in there.
flat cameras are not coming in between
now and the time that we're considering
this grant in any way, shape, or form.
We can tell our citizens that. We can
tell them that it's going to be
discussed on a date certain. And here's
what's in the package. Here's what's
going to be discussed. And then they can
give their input on the actual package
rather than on speculation as to what
might be in the package, which could
include anything and everything under
the sun, including drones that surveil
us
and are like the Terminator, just as an
extreme example. That could be in there,
too, from a person's point of view. So,
I would be in favor of of delaying this
until we can get a clear picture of what
is going to actually be in the package.
The administration, from what I
understand, is not prepared to tell us
what they're going to put in that
package because the estimates are not
there. We want to give the flexibility
to the police chief coming in. Um, I
would hope that we would delay this and
I'm not saying that we don't need to
discuss block cameras if it's in there.
We certainly need to have a robust
discussion, but I'm not in support of
the motion this evening. Thank you,
>> Deputy President Shank.
Um, so I think my take on this motion
is, you know, committee of the whole is
not about making a specific decision,
right? It's that this grant is going to
be brought to us and we're going to have
a conversation about it. I think it's
been brought up multiple times tonight,
you know, oh, the grant could cover a
bunch of different things. It would be,
I think, very helpful for me and also
probably for my fellow council members
to get a presentation on what all those
different things are just so that we're
actually on the same page because I
don't I mean, I think maybe I kind of
skimmed the grant, but I think we can
have a better conversation if we
actually understand what the grant
entails. And I don't think we've
actually gotten that yet. So, I think I
would support having that conversation,
you know, as a committee of the whole so
that we can actually cuz if if the topic
is, you know, okay, we're getting this
federal grant, what can we do with it? I
think we can discuss a few of the
different things, you know, what we put
in there, what it could potentially be
used for, and give some general guidance
on how to move forward. That doesn't
because it's committee of the whole,
that doesn't necessarily preclude us
from, you know, waiting for the new
police chief to be hired to actually
make a decision. It just gives us the
opportunity to actually understand what
is in the grant, which I think we've all
kind of been having these conversations
about. And I think even for those of us
on the council, I think would be very
helpful to actually understand what the
grant is and what it is not. Um, and
also, you know, there have been times
when we've had multiple committee of the
whole meetings on a specific topic,
right? This could just be a first touch
of, okay, here's what the grant is,
here's what the proposal is so far. We
could tweak it in this way or the other
way. But again, you know, I think it's
important for us to actually have a
clear understanding of what that is.
Even if we don't have, you know, the
cost estimates on every specific
component, I think it would be really
helpful for us to get an actual
presentation on it. So, I will be
supporting this.
>> Council member Dair. Oh, council member
White Boy.
I was largely going to say that I'm
interested in discussing this at the
council of the whole um because we're we
don't have to make a decision at that
meeting. I think it would be very
beneficial to discuss it and my
understanding which is very rocky
because of how new I am is that uh this
isn't too much earlier than the original
timeline that we were the council was
going to discuss this issue or uh have
it on the agenda more. So, I very much
hear the administrative concerns about,
you know, needing time to get all the
right details, but um
I think the community would benefit from
us discussing it with what we have,
especially if we are open about
we will be
getting more details
uh in the future. But for now, let's
start this conversation.
Council
member Dair.
>> Um yeah, so um I wanted to echo echo uh
Deputy President Jiang's points that in
the committee of the whole we get to
discuss something in all its details
similar to the uh the parks levy renewal
we talked about. And while we didn't
like remove one of the proposed projects
during that meeting, we could have said,
"Oh, we don't like that project. Don't
include that in your ongoing work on
this levy." Similarly, with this
package, we not deciding on the grant as
a whole, but we could say, "Okay, we
like these elements of it." And as you
continue to have these conversations and
build it, we like these things, we don't
like these things, and that be part of
that conversation. And so I do think
this is a good time and place to start
having those and to help to help um
inform the new chief when they do get
there and they are building this package
of what they want to do and what they
see for our police force. They have the
inputs from us already of the things
that we support, the things we feel the
community supports. And so I feel like
we can have this conversation now to
discuss it. We're not necessarily voting
on the grant, but we're trying to inform
it in terms of how it will be built,
similar to how we build other things.
>> Okay, Mr. Mayor.
>> Yes. Just to try to clarify. So, we have
submitted a grant. We can come and we
can share orally. We've already shared
the documents with the council, but we
can share for the community. This is
what the the notice was that we
responded to. this is what we proposed
and then we have received notification
that we've received
the grant with a dollar amount and so
the next step to that is to negotiate a
grant agreement with the federal
government which we have not yet done so
and we will not have done by the 11th so
really
>> we don't even have a draft right now
just so everyone is clear like okay
>> so we will basically share what we've
already shared which is this is what was
the request and it was a request from
Congresswoman Shrier's office. Um, and
then what we submitted as an application
and that's what we'll share
and the council can comment,
I guess, as you like. As we've said,
we're trying to get a a better sense of
the uh the cost associated with the
tasers. Uh, that those are it's a larger
dollar amount. It's a fixed dollar
amount. Um, we got a proposal that was
received when we put the grant together.
We have gone back to the manufacturer to
get an an updated cost. We have yet to
receive that. So, we'll share what we
have at the time. Um, but then that
would be as far as we would go. Is that
my understanding? At the committee, the
whole and get whatever input you have on
the grant that we submitted
a year ago.
>> Deputy President Jang and then President
Mart.
>> Yeah, I mean, I think that's aligned
with what I was thinking. Um any
additional detail you're able to share
on you know like is there any
flexibility you know here's what we
applied for the grant for my
is there any flexibility and you know
what we can spend it on um to the extent
you're able to share that and just like
share a snapshot of where we're at in
the process. I think that would be
helpful just from the perspective of
transparency since that's what we've
been hearing a lot about from our
community.
>> Okay. And I think Rachel we know we have
flexibility right now. Right. Well, we
don't I don't know because I don't have
an agreement to look at. So, until I get
a document from the federal government
that's has the rules and restrictions in
it. I can't say that with certainty.
That's the way most of it work. Most of
it works. It's it's listed in the
federal appropriations bill as as taser
equipment. It's not or as I think bodywn
camera equipment because it's a a it's
equipment that links the bodywn camera
to your taser discharge. So, I know
that's not the bulk of the the funding.
I can't imagine that they wouldn't say,
"Oh, you can take it looks like
approximately
380,000
$85,000 of the $342,000
is for the taser equipment. So, it's
$75,000 that's for the ALPR system." I
can't imagine that they wouldn't say,
"Oh, you don't you just don't have to
take the whole thing and you can take,
you know, whatever the amount is for the
tasers." And I I I imagine that will be
okay. That is the way it is with pretty
much most grant agreements I've ever
read, but I won't be able to give you
that certainty on May 11th unless I see
the contract.
>> Council President Marts.
So I understand the argument that um by
talking about it at committee of the
whole uh you're it's not the point we're
not making necessarily a decision uh at
that first committee of the whole.
Nevertheless, at some point somewhere
here before September, we'll have to
make a decision. And I think we owe it
to ourselves to what we've not heard
thus far in this conversation at all is
why our police force wants ALPRs.
Uh we haven't heard why cities like Kent
and Auburn are very happy having ALPRs.
Um, I think that there's a conversation
um to the extent that there are specific
concerns that we've heard around things
like uh protection of folks in domestic
violence and in areas like uh local uh
database control. Um, I think that we
want to hear um what's the
state-of-the-art in that and I think
that we probably want to hear um the
state versus Simson decision uh around
the fourth amendment and uh its
relationship to ALPRs here in Washington
state uh to address that concern that
we've heard from the public. So that's
all I believe those things should all be
discussed before we make a decision
whether that occurs at the next cow
meeting or a cow meeting after that or
whatever. Um I think we would be doing a
disservice
um merely because we have heard uh a lot
of public concern with this technology.
I don't think that's the the end of the
conversation. I think it's up I think
it's beholden to us um to ask for a good
understanding of to the best that we can
of the concerns that we've heard before
we make a decision. Thank you,
>> Council Member Walsh.
>> Thank you. Um, I would be interested in
hearing why the police department
applied for this grant, why they thought
these particular technologies would be
interesting to them. That's
a piece of the puzzle and I would expect
with any presentation to the city
council on a potential grant, it would
be why did we seek this grant? What were
we trying to solve? So that makes sense
um from my perspective on that. My goal
in this is to create a date certain and
public transparency. all of the
information that we have been talking
about thus far, the fact that there are
tasers involved in this uh potential
grant, the fact that this came from
Congresswoman Shrier's office, the fact
that our police department applied for
it in 2025, all of that is information
that we have as city council members
that the public does not have. And so
the goal here at the very very minimum
is to have a meeting where there is
public information shared about this
potential grant opportunity.
What that could include, why we applied
for it, and what the city council and
the community's perspectives are on
that. And I think council member Adair's
point of, hey, if we came into this,
just like if we had a potential
sustainability grant and you came to
city council and said, look, do you want
us to focus more on
um solar panels or more on a
communityoriented set of heat pumps? We
could provide that perspective and that
keeps you from going down a path of
trying to solve two different things if
the decision-making body which is the
seven of us up here
have a perspective particularly as
informed by the community. So I I think
there is the potential that this could
save the administration time and effort
if we are able to daylight some of these
pieces of information and feedback
early.
>> Council member Nichols,
>> the other point on this that I think has
been brought up a couple times is that
this doesn't have to be the only time we
have this conversation. Um, I I think
it's highly unlikely that if we were to
bring block cameras into Isqua, we would
only want a single conversation on it.
Um, I think we will want multiple and
it's I appreciate that we don't know
everything we would want to know at the
moment. Um, and that we the
administration doesn't have everyone
present who to who could present it
because they haven't been hired. Um,
those are all valid points. Nonetheless,
it's not that we know nothing. We do
have a good amount that we do know. We
know as has been brought up that we
applied for this grant. We know what the
grant says. We know what the
justifications for it were in that
grant. Um,
and that is of course all somewhat
public, but it's hard to access unless
you really know what you're looking for.
So making that clear and clearly
available would I think be a good
minimum first step there. Um, and if
there's more that the administration has
the time to acquire by that point,
whether it's quotes, whether it's a more
informed perspective, um, based on an an
advocate within the administration who
wants to make a case one way or the
other, um, or whether it's federal
contract language if we receive that,
those would all be nice to have to add
on. But I do expect we will have
additional conversations on this in the
future. And this isn't a rush. Like,
this is a first touch at a conversation
that shouldn't be rushed. Um, and we
have plenty of time to have multiple
conversations to that end.
>> Council member,
>> uh, I don't have much more to add. Uh,
council members Walsh Nichols racisely
said what I was wanting to say in that I
feel like the point of this isn't
necessarily for you to have everything
about this final agreement but to have
everything that has brought us to this
point and what next steps you are
working on what you are thinking of it
because clearly the grant had some you
know components to it technologies in it
and you know this is coming from the new
person that and I wasn't in these prior
meetings that I don't know all that and
I'm here a lot of it is hearsay and I
feel that the And now and I feel that
the public really demands this and I
think so that's why I do think we need
to have this upfront. Here is where
everything is. Here is where what we
found out. Here's what has been approved
or not approved and here's where the
next steps will be. Um and so recognize
you won't have a full contract but that
you can kind of get us to get us to that
day of where everything is and we can
present that discuss that and then
figure out the next steps.
>> And Mr. Mayor. So again, I want to make
sure that when we do have the
conversation that everyone's on the same
page of what we're coming back with. So
um we will bring the notice that we
responded to. We will bring the
application. Uh we will have the
justification
uh from the department. Uh I think it
would also be useful for us to review
the previous council discussion because
the reality of how this all happened was
the discussion that occurred in service
to safety and parks and then the
discussion that occurred with the full
city council uh last July where the
council uh I think and we'll have to go
back and watch the tape to get the
actual words but certainly the
impression that was left to the police
department staff after the July
discussion was sure this is really
interesting but there's no money. And so
I think the impetus for the police staff
to actually file this application was
the discussion in July from the council
that said, "Yeah, this is a good idea,
but we don't have the money right now."
So we want to make sure we'll go back
and and include those uh pertinent
portions. I off the top of my head, I
think it was two discussions. It came
out of service to safety and parks. I
think it then came back to the council.
So it may have be a third discussion
because there absolutely was a
discussion in July where we said is this
something that the council wants to
allocate funds for. The council said no
we're we're concerned about where we are
uh in the current fiscal year. Uh we
don't want to do that. Uh and I think
that from that point on is when the
department said okay great we'll go find
the money if the council uh doesn't have
the money but is not objecting at that
point with what was known. That's what
brought that. So, we'll go back and get
the tapes and and share for those
members who were not on the council for
those discussions to at least have the
benefit of what the staff heard from the
council in those discussions. So, that
will be what we bring back on the 11th.
That makes sense for everyone.
Great.
Okay. Yeah. And to reiterate, I think
what we just heard from city
administrator Tullah's point, I think a
lot of the issues that council president
Martz brought up will not we're not
going to be in a we're not going to have
the time to kind of bring those
arguments forward on May 11th, but I
think as the city administrator
described, we'll bring forward kind of
the factual information that we do have
and uh and go from there. So, there's no
further discussion, the motion from the
council.
>> Oh, council member Joe. Um, I'm always
curious if we devote time to this
between now and May 11th, what are we
not going to be able to address or what
will go off the plan if anything on the
administration side?
Much of the information is already
gathered. I think the piece that we'll
have to go back is to get uh a precise
uh documentation of the council's
discussions on this because I think
through the discussions I've heard this
evening, you want to know why this
happened. And I think a part of why this
happened was the discussions that the
city council had in the spring and
summer last year, which certainly was
different than the discussions that are
happening now. And so I think just for
the record, we want to make sure that
the community is aware of the council's
previous discussions on this topic that
this just didn't come out of the blue
that there were discussions last year.
So we'll include that as well. So I I
that's the only part that will require
some work and we've got a couple of
weeks uh to do that. Again, it was two
or three meetings.
The clerk's office will help us
determine that pretty quickly.
>> Okay. Okay. So, there's no further
discussion. The motion from the council
is to direct the mayor city
administration to place the topic of the
congressional community appropriations
grant and the proposed automated license
plate reader camera program on the
agenda for the council committee the
whole meeting on May 11th, 2026,
including a full staff briefing and
opportunity for council discussion. All
those in favor, please say I. I.
>> I. I.
>> All those opposed, no.
And that passes 5 to 2. And
I'd like to announce the following
upcoming council meetings. Uh Monday,
April 27th, the joint meeting with the
city council and the Isqua school board
is at 6 p.m. Yes, we will have typhoon
uh from our favorite tie place across
the street here. This will be the Isqua
senior center. Uh
anticipated agenda items. Welcome in
team building. Yes, that's an agenda
item. We have a squad development
update, growth projections.
uh updates on activities issues for ISC
schools located in Isakiqua update of
the new high school and the joint use
agreement with the parks department. Uh
the next regular city council meeting is
Monday, May 4th. Anticipate agenda items
are the city council rules and
procedures ad hoc committee report out
the public records act training. Get
excited.
The always exciting public records act.
I know our city clerk is really excited
for that training. And uh there's no
further business. This meeting is
adjourned at 10:23