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Tuesday, February 24, 2026

7:00 PM · Council Chambers, 135 E. Sunset Way, Issaquah WA
Topic tracked across meetings:
Hazard Mitigation Plan Update AB 9160 1/2
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
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City Council Services, Safety & Parks Committee Regular Meeting, January 27
packet pp.5–6
Topics: ParksPublic Safety
Staff report:
Presented by: Alexis Fitzsimmons, Economic Development & Housing Manager
4. AGENDA ITEMS
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Hazard Mitigation Plan Update COM 0229
60 min · Jared Schneider, Emergency Manager · packet pp.7–518
Staff report:
The Administration recommends that the Committee recommend adoption of the 2025–2030 City of Issaquah Hazard Mitigation Plan Annex to the full City Council.
0:08 Welcome everyone. I, Council Member
0:10 Walsh, call the February 24th, 2026 City
0:14 Council Services, Safety, and Parks
0:16 Committee to order. I am joined by
0:18 Deputy Council President uh Mart, and we
0:22 have an excused absence for our other
0:23 member, Council Member Nichols. The next
0:26 item on the agenda is public comment.
0:29 And I will just note that there is no
0:31 one in the room. And I do not believe
0:33 there is anyone online. So I will just
0:36 note um if anybody does watch this later
0:40 and wants to make comments, we always
0:42 welcome them by emailing uh city
0:45 councilwa.gov.
0:49 Uh next item of business, approval of
0:51 the minutes. The minutes were
0:52 distributed to the committee in advance.
0:54 Are there any corrections?
0:57 >> No.
0:58 >> Okay. Hearing none. Um the minutes are
1:02 approved as presented.
1:05 Okay. We have one item on our agenda
1:09 tonight and that is COM 0229
1:13 hazard mitigation plan update presented
1:15 by Jared Snyder, our emergency manager.
1:19 Um we are going to have staff
1:20 presentation, committee Q&A, uh any
1:24 public comments if there is anyone at
1:25 that point and then committee
1:27 deliberation and recommendation.
1:29 So Jared, we will let you take this one
1:34 away.
1:37 Thank you, council members. I'm pulling
1:38 up my presentation.
1:43 All right, does that look good?
1:48 All right.
1:51 Good casting. Okay.
1:54 Alrighty. Well, uh, first of all, hello
1:57 and good evening. Thank you for having
1:59 me here today. It's always a pleasure to
2:02 get the opportunity to talk about
2:03 emergency management and, you know, the
2:05 programs that we have here at the city.
2:07 Um, and really drill down deep into uh,
2:10 one of them today being the hazard
2:12 mitigation plan update. So the purpose
2:15 that um I'm before you today is to
2:17 really talk about a few things. One is
2:19 to review our draft annex to the uh
2:22 hazard mitigation plan provide fe to get
2:25 you all to provide feedback or direction
2:27 on our hazard mitigation strategies.
2:29 Help us with prioritizing that is and
2:32 then uh really recommending that the
2:34 full city council adopt the annex as
2:36 part of the King County regional hazard
2:37 mitigation plan or not of course. And
2:39 then finally at the end, we're going to
2:41 have a little bit of uh time to uh have
2:44 uh guidance and feedback provided on the
2:46 broader emergency management program. As
2:48 we heard uh via a council retreat, it
2:50 was brought up and placed on the uh bike
2:52 rack of uh ideas, if you will. So kind
2:56 of an opportunity to talk about what
2:58 we're planning on and some potential
3:00 areas for growth in the future.
3:03 So the direction needed is one recommend
3:06 changes or adoption of Isqua's hazard
3:08 mitigation plan annex and then give
3:10 feedback on the broader emergency
3:12 management program.
3:15 So uh let's talk about the first item
3:17 first um recommend changes or adoption
3:20 of our hazard mitigation plan.
3:22 Uh to set the tone and really describe
3:25 where this plan sits in emergency
3:27 management in the city. Uh as a
3:30 reminder, we have three major lines of
3:32 business, if you will, in emergency
3:34 management. The first being emergency
3:36 response, of course. You know, that's
3:37 really uh the bread and butter of or the
3:40 core function of what we do, making sure
3:42 that we respond effectively as a city to
3:45 emergencies uh and disasters alike. The
3:47 second is community preparedness. That's
3:49 making sure our residents are ready for
3:50 disasters. And then third is risk
3:52 reduction, and that's reducing our
3:54 long-term uh vulnerability to hazards.
3:57 And that's really the core of the plan
4:00 uh that we're talking about today. It's
4:01 it's almost like the work plan, if you
4:03 will. So, it's a very important part of
4:06 what we do uh in emergency management
4:08 here in the city. And so, I'm happy,
4:10 like I said, to take a deep dive into it
4:12 and kind of explain where we would like
4:13 to take our risk reduction efforts uh in
4:16 the city.
4:18 So, first, let's uh start from the top.
4:20 What what is hazard mitigation planning?
4:23 And um one, it's federally required. So,
4:26 it's a it's a federally required plan um
4:29 that's designed to reduce our risk
4:31 through targeted investments in
4:33 mitigation essentially um efforts that
4:36 reduce our exposure to our many hazards
4:39 that we have. So part of it is assessing
4:41 those hazards, what our risks are and
4:43 vulnerabilities and then finally you
4:46 know developing the okay what are we
4:48 going to do about it now that we have a
4:50 good uh grasp of what our of what our
4:53 hazards are and our vulnerabilities. Um
4:56 it also is an opportunity to engage with
4:57 stakeholders right individuals and
4:59 partners that is uh in conversations
5:01 about uh about resilience about
5:04 mitigation about our hazards. So, it's
5:06 uh it's an opportunity there. And then
5:08 really, like I mentioned, it's kind of
5:10 our work plan for risk reduction through
5:12 the next 5 years. It's a 5-year plan.
5:16 So, um let's talk about where we've been
5:19 with this planning process and and where
5:22 we are now. So, uh we have participated
5:25 in King County's base plan. Um and like
5:29 I mentioned, this plan is an annex on
5:31 King County's plan. So, they had it's a
5:33 regional plan. all jurisdictions within
5:36 King County um have the opportunity to
5:39 um annex onto the plan as well as
5:40 special purpose districts, fire
5:42 districts and the like. Um many have,
5:46 many have not. Um we are one that is
5:48 choosing to annex onto the plan.
5:50 Typically the jurisdictions that do not
5:52 annex onto the plan are the larger ones
5:53 like Seattle and Belleview. But for uh
5:56 medium to smaller sized jurisdictions,
5:58 it's uh it's truly the way to go as King
6:00 County cuts down a lot of the work
6:02 needed to to do these plans. So it it
6:05 makes sense. So I was actually part of
6:06 the steering committee for that uh plan
6:08 and we as such uh we had good
6:11 representation and um ability to kind of
6:14 get our feedback if you will into the
6:16 plan.
6:17 The next uh part of the planning process
6:19 is we convened an internal team um
6:22 internal of city departments um but also
6:25 external in a sense working with
6:26 partners like east side fire and rescue
6:28 and other community organizations that
6:30 we work with frequently in emergency
6:31 management to um document our hazards
6:35 and understand our risks. Uh the next
6:37 step was using that same group where we
6:40 started to strategize okay what are we
6:42 going to do about those hazards and
6:43 risks now that we feel like we
6:45 understand them. Uh after that we
6:47 drafted the plan of which you have seen.
6:50 Um King County and Washington state
6:52 approved our plan. They gave us back
6:54 feedback. We've since incorporated it.
6:56 Um and that's also part of the document
6:58 that you have. And then we're here on
7:00 the flowchart. So um each hazard
7:03 mitigation plan needs to be approved by
7:06 uh by the authoritative body for us
7:08 being city council. So um once it is
7:12 approved hopefully by city council then
7:15 we can move for federal approval where
7:18 FEMA signs off on our plan and says that
7:20 yes you have a true hazard mitigation
7:23 plan.
7:25 Um, so also just backing up real quick
7:28 too, I I want to I want to state like
7:30 this is very important also to not just
7:33 uh not just to develop these strategies,
7:34 but it also I I don't know if I
7:36 mentioned this, but this makes us
7:37 eligible for federal grants at many
7:40 different grant rounds and levels. And
7:42 so it's um it's a mechanism that we do
7:44 really need in place to really partake
7:47 in those uh opportunities, those federal
7:49 funding opportunities.
7:51 So what you see here is the hazards that
7:54 we plan for um within the context of our
7:57 annex. So we have two different
7:59 categories, natural and human caused. So
8:01 in natural we have earthquake, severe
8:04 weather. Severe weather is kind of a
8:05 catch-all if you will for like
8:07 snowstorms, bomb cyclones, uh uh things
8:10 of that nature, events of that nature,
8:13 landslide, wildfire, flood, and volcano.
8:16 And you know, you might be thinking, you
8:18 know, is lava going to impact the city
8:20 of Visquad? No, it's it's not lava. It's
8:22 more terra, which is like ash fall from
8:24 volcanoes is what we're planning for. It
8:26 can actually be uh quite damaging to
8:28 things like flat roofs, to mechanical
8:30 equipment, electrical equipment. Um
8:32 there is there is hazard associated with
8:35 it. In terms of human-caused hazards,
8:38 we're planning for hazardous material
8:39 releases, um health incidents, which are
8:42 things like pandemics, terrorism, civil
8:45 disturbance, a cyber incident, and then
8:48 finally a dam failure. And uh dam
8:50 failure might also come as a bit of a
8:51 surprise. Uh but some of our storm water
8:54 ponds are actually large enough that
8:56 when they have full pools, they are
8:58 considered to be uh dams by Washington
9:01 State Department of Ecology. And if they
9:03 fail, there could be uh downstream
9:04 impacts to residents, businesses, and
9:06 the community alike.
9:09 So the next step of the planning process
9:12 was to take a hard look at our hazards
9:15 um determine their impacts on our
9:17 community and then where we were
9:18 vulnerable. And so that group that I
9:20 mentioned that was made up of uh many
9:22 different city departments and partners.
9:25 Uh this is where things landed in our
9:28 ranking of things. Wildfire and
9:30 earthquake were the two hazards that um
9:33 that we saw that we have the highest
9:35 risk of of of having impacts really
9:37 within Isiqua followed by extreme
9:40 weather, cyber incidents, health and
9:41 volcano and then the rest you can see as
9:43 kind of diminishing in there. So that's
9:46 where staff ranked things.
9:48 >> Yeah. Question council member M.
9:50 >> Yeah, I have a question. So I'm used to
9:52 traditional risk management being
9:54 severity times likelihood.
9:56 >> Yes.
9:56 >> Right. So can you explain I I don't
9:59 understand exposure and susceptibility.
10:02 >> Yeah.
10:03 >> As compared to like I said traditional
10:05 likelihood.
10:06 >> Yeah. And so that's um that's great that
10:08 you brought that up. The risk equation
10:11 changed a little at the federal uh level
10:13 recently. And so the likelihood is
10:16 wrapped up into um vulnerability,
10:18 susceptibility. Now it's uh just a
10:21 rebranding if you will to some uh sense
10:23 of it. But, uh, really what they're
10:25 getting at too, right, is just like the
10:28 that, yeah, the likelihood of it, like
10:29 how what what are the odds that this
10:32 could happen here. So, that's a great
10:33 thing to flag.
10:34 >> Okay. And so these numbers you're
10:36 showing here, 1.74, 1.9, 2.19, these are
10:40 the risk numbers where you've multiplied
10:42 severity times exposure times
10:43 susceptibility.
10:44 >> That's right. Yeah. So, um, what we did
10:47 is we had every single staff member or
10:50 partner, um, who participated, um, go
10:52 through a scoring matrix and then we
10:55 added them all up, um, did these
10:56 equations and this is, uh, the results
10:58 of that.
10:59 >> Got it. Okay,
11:02 >> thank you.
11:02 >> Yeah, that that seems like a good
11:04 methodology.
11:05 >> Um, I did have actually one question
11:08 when in the section on wildfire. Are you
11:11 going to get more into details?
11:12 >> Yes, I I'll save it. I'll save my
11:14 question.
11:14 >> Yeah. Um yeah, we'll uh we'll address
11:17 kind of our approach to wildfire. We
11:18 have a mitigation strategy that
11:20 specifically addresses wildfire and so
11:22 we can uh cover more of it there.
11:24 >> I'll hold my question. Thanks.
11:25 >> Okay, awesome. Thank you.
11:29 >> Um so a big part of hazard mitigation
11:31 planning too is we also uh turn these
11:34 plans out to the community, right? Or or
11:36 engage with the community and hopes to
11:38 get uh some feedback on where they see
11:40 their priorities being, right? So, we uh
11:43 brought this big posterboard sized uh
11:46 really dot dot activity out to uh many
11:49 different community engagements asking
11:51 individuals or is where where what are
11:54 you most worried about as an Isqua
11:56 resident, right? What are what keeps you
11:58 up at night? And you know, it was
12:00 actually uh it was kind of twofold,
12:01 right? As you can see the collection of
12:03 the data here, right? you see that
12:04 earthquake, severe weather and wildfire
12:07 were really what the community was
12:09 worried about as well as cyber incident
12:10 which I thought was notable as fourth.
12:13 Um but it was also served as an
12:15 icebreaker right for our community to
12:17 talk about this work more in depth right
12:19 so it wasn't just a put the dot up on
12:21 the board right and then all right have
12:23 a nice day right it really served as an
12:25 opportunity to talk about um not only
12:27 like what we're trying to do with hazard
12:29 mitigation but emergency management in
12:31 general so uh the feedback that we
12:33 received I think was it was really
12:34 interesting and beneficial to our plan
12:36 formation
12:40 um I want to dive a little bit deeper
12:42 into mitigation
12:43 um in itself like why are mitigation
12:46 projects actually something that we
12:48 should be doing in Isqua and really it
12:51 it's a good investment. So it's been
12:53 well studied and documented um by FEMA
12:55 that every dollar invested in mitigation
12:58 saves $6 in future disaster costs. And
13:01 so that's a 600% return on investment,
13:04 right? That's a that's a pretty good
13:05 number when it comes to uh when it comes
13:08 to money, right? And so to that effect,
13:11 um, when we do have disasters, it
13:12 protects our general fund. It preserves
13:14 economic activity because we're able to,
13:16 you know, withstand disasters better. It
13:18 reduces insurance costs not only for the
13:20 city, but our residents through part of
13:22 the community rating system, um, which
13:24 is really speaking to flood insurance.
13:26 So, a lot of these actions that we take
13:28 can actually lower our residents um,
13:30 flood insurance costs, which is a huge
13:32 service. Uh, the next is it leverages
13:35 federal funding. Right? Like I
13:36 mentioned, there's many grants available
13:39 uh that we hope to take advantage of and
13:41 including following this big December
13:43 storm that we had. Um the initial damage
13:46 estimates for Washington state are $181
13:48 million of public infrastructure damage,
13:51 right? So that's jurisdictional damage.
13:53 And so what that means is following a
13:56 presidentially declared disaster,
13:58 typically 15% of that is made available
14:01 back to the impacted jurisdictions in
14:04 the form of grants. In this case, that's
14:06 $27 million in grants. And so, you know,
14:09 that's a huge opportunity, right, of
14:12 federal funding that we would like to
14:14 take advantage of here in Isiqua. And
14:16 so, um, that's just one example of a
14:18 grant round. Uh, the next is it protects
14:21 vulnerable residents, right? We can
14:22 invest in projects that specifically
14:24 protect our most vulnerable. It shortens
14:26 recovery time. You know, recovery time
14:28 is so essential for getting life back to
14:31 normal, businesses, right? continuing
14:33 business and the like. And uh really it
14:36 futureproofs our infrastructure too,
14:38 right? So it's it's an investment in the
14:39 future, right? Making sure that whenever
14:42 one of these events happen um we're
14:44 prepared to we're prepared for it and
14:46 that we don't have to go back and um
14:49 rebuild uh to the same extent we would
14:52 otherwise.
14:54 So I wanted to highlight just a few
14:55 examples in Isiqua of mitigation in the
14:58 past. And so um here's an example of
15:00 some flood buyouts here. What you see in
15:02 the red circle is two homes. Um, in the
15:05 next slide, you'll see that those homes
15:07 we actually bought out and have since
15:08 turned into green space. That happens to
15:10 be where we uh put our sandbag or one of
15:12 our sandbag filling stations uh
15:14 currently, right? To make uh available
15:16 to residents on the east fork that
15:17 typically flood out. Uh that's one
15:20 example. Two more here is a solar and
15:23 storage project at Isqua Center. So
15:26 recently we received funding through uh
15:28 Washington State Department of Commerce
15:30 to put not only solar panels but also a
15:32 battery system that will last for um
15:36 quite a while to power that building uh
15:38 following um following power loss, which
15:41 is great not only for the building
15:43 itself and our carbon uh reduction
15:45 goals, but it also keeps a generator, a
15:47 portable generator in our suite of
15:49 assets that we can use to, you know, uh
15:52 put either different resilience hubs or
15:54 pump stations or the Right. So there's
15:56 also trickle down impacts from uh money
15:58 that we spend in these mitigation
16:00 projects. Uh the last example I wanted
16:02 to highlight was Confluence Park and
16:04 this is a drone footage shot from the
16:06 December flooding that we have and you
16:07 know you can kind of see how there is
16:09 flood spilling into Confluence Park. Uh
16:12 you can't quite tell from this
16:13 individual picture but there's uh homes
16:16 right if you look at the top of the of
16:18 the picture there right that are that
16:19 are not flooded out but the park there
16:22 is behaving exactly how we like it.
16:24 Right. it's becoming um it has this
16:26 mitigation impact in our community and
16:29 um you know relatively low impacts to
16:31 the park itself but big impacts for the
16:34 community members that you know could
16:35 have potentially been flooded out by
16:37 this event. So those are just a few
16:39 local examples of some mitigation
16:41 successes that we've had. Um and I hope
16:44 that kind of serves as like a as a
16:46 catalyst, you know, for dreaming, if you
16:48 will, about what we could do in this
16:50 city when it comes to risk reduction.
16:53 So with that, um these are the hazard
16:56 mitigation strategies that our planning
16:58 group came up with. And I should note
17:00 that um FEMA requires that we have a
17:04 hazard mitigation strategy for each of
17:06 our hazards identified within our plan.
17:08 So there are some um that are smaller in
17:12 nature, right, to kind of tackle or very
17:14 niche, if you will, to tackle some of
17:15 these um uh more corner cases u for
17:18 hazards. Some of them are larger. And I
17:20 should also say too, right, um at this
17:22 point, most of these mitigation
17:24 strategies are they're uh aspirational
17:27 in a sense, right? We're we're not um we
17:29 can't commit ourselves to doing all of
17:31 them right now with our existing level
17:33 of funding, right? But these are the
17:35 things that we as um as a group, as a
17:38 planning group have come up with as
17:41 potential solutions to our risks uh for
17:44 these hazards. So, um, spending a little
17:46 bit of time on them because I would love
17:48 to hear your feedback on what you see as
17:50 potential priorities for us to, um,
17:53 maybe put at the top of the list, if you
17:54 will, uh, for our staff to start working
17:56 on or to potentially fund and future
17:59 budget discussions. I just wanted to
18:01 provide a brief overview of of all of
18:03 them. So, uh, the first and foremost is
18:06 critical infrastructure seismic
18:08 retrofits. So this is taking a look at
18:10 our critical infrastructure, evaluating
18:13 um it under our modern understanding of
18:16 our seismic threat and then really
18:18 determining what the best course of
18:19 action is thereafter. Right? So some
18:22 infrastructure will be fine, some may
18:24 need uh a retrofit to actually remain
18:26 functional following a maximum credible
18:28 earthquake.
18:29 The next is special flood hazard area
18:32 risk reduction. So this is uh this is a
18:34 complimentary mitigation strategy to uh
18:37 other plans that we have in the city and
18:39 a lot of the works that public works
18:40 does to reduce our um flood risk but
18:43 really what it's looking at is elevating
18:46 acquiring and mitigating repetitive loss
18:49 properties but also upgrading our
18:50 infrastructure for for flooding. I
18:52 should also mention too if at any point
18:55 if you want to drill down deeper into
18:56 any of these I'm definitely happy to to
18:58 take a break and stop. So, Council
19:00 Member Marts, um, this is the wildfire
19:02 risk reduction implementation strategy.
19:04 Um, so this strategy, it speaks
19:07 specifically to really adapting our west
19:10 of West of the Cascades communities and
19:12 finding mitigation strategies that work
19:15 for our community. Right? As as I've
19:17 come before and talked to council about
19:19 before, there's a big difference between
19:22 east of the Cascades and West of the
19:23 Cascades fire regimes. And so making
19:25 sure that our strategies that we do do
19:27 are uh tailored to us here at Nisqua.
19:30 But it's also implementing our wildfire
19:32 evacuation time estimate study results.
19:34 So these uh chiefly the main things
19:37 called out in the mitigation strategy
19:39 are our evacuation routes. So doing
19:41 formal studies on um the viability of
19:44 the engineering behind them, making sure
19:47 that uh the roads up in Forest Grim and
19:50 the Highlands are studied and we can see
19:52 uh take the next step of implementation
19:54 in those. And of course based on what we
19:57 find, right, then that's when we can um
19:59 work them into a potential capital
20:00 improvement uh project or or the like.
20:04 And so this is our big wildfire uh
20:07 project.
20:08 >> Yeah.
20:09 >> Great. What's the timeline?
20:10 >> Yeah. So, this plan, right, is uh this
20:13 is, if you will, the work plan, right,
20:15 of our of our risk reduction efforts.
20:17 And so, I'm hearing that this is a
20:19 priority and some communication that
20:21 you've also sent to me. So, you know,
20:23 this is if this is the direction that
20:24 council has, we can we can put this at
20:26 the top of the list. Now, of course, we
20:28 don't have um currently funding, right,
20:31 like set aside for for doing those um
20:34 formal studies, but yeah,
20:36 >> to be clear, wildfire and I think
20:38 earthquake are the two highest in your
20:40 risk management. So, it's not like
20:42 council member Mart is asking you to go
20:45 down a rabbit hole on some project of
20:48 his, right? These are this is one of the
20:50 two areas that that your own analysis
20:53 said we need to be the most pro
20:55 proactive regarding. Absolutely. Yes.
20:57 Sorry, I I apologize if I implied that.
21:00 >> I just wanted to be clear for anybody
21:02 who might be listening that that it ties
21:04 back to the slide we talked to a little
21:06 bit ago where you know civil
21:07 insurrection and volcanic hazards are
21:10 nothing compared to earthquake and and
21:13 wildfire hazards. Those are just a whole
21:16 different level both of um impact should
21:18 they happen and likelihood of occurring.
21:21 >> Yeah, that's that's that's exactly
21:23 right. and you know and the staff agrees
21:24 yes to your point with that assessment
21:26 and so
21:27 >> so what I'm hearing you say is that um
21:30 although
21:32 um you said it was uh FEMA requires that
21:35 we have plans I guess it doesn't require
21:37 that we execute those plans
21:38 >> no and so yeah which is
21:40 >> that's hilarious
21:41 >> yeah it is it is right it's it's an
21:43 interesting um honestly I think it it
21:47 shows that these plans right in
21:48 themselves like I said are a little more
21:50 aspirational but I should say the staff
21:52 is is quite committed to to mitigating
21:55 and um this is these efforts I would say
21:59 uh with that federal big grant funding
22:01 round that's going to be ma made
22:03 available right these are the types of
22:04 opportunities that outside of our
22:06 existing budget right those are the
22:08 things that we can try to take advantage
22:10 of to push the timelines on our regular
22:13 funding mechanisms to make these things
22:15 happen faster and so um that's
22:18 absolutely a priority right wildfire was
22:20 our number two in that in that risk
22:22 assessment So that's the type of project
22:24 that we would like to prioritize moving
22:26 forward. Now the timeline of course um I
22:29 didn't answer your question about the
22:30 timeline only because you know um we
22:33 don't have a solid one yet for when when
22:36 we would get those more formal studies
22:37 done but um working towards that is uh
22:40 is what I'm hearing and and is one of
22:42 our priorities. So, so, okay. So, if
22:46 earthquake and wildfire are the two most
22:49 serious ones, um, is there a point where
22:53 and and you're saying that we're not
22:55 going to we're not going to delve into
22:57 our what we've outlined for FEMA and
23:00 until
23:01 >> or until the council funds that
23:04 activity? Yeah. Is there a point where
23:05 we get an alleart list where it says we
23:08 need $437 for this and we need $827 for
23:13 that? Yeah. So what our plan is to
23:15 incorporate these mitigation uh projects
23:17 into the next CIP budget round. And so
23:21 um that which is yeah thank which is
23:24 actually something where it it
23:25 legitimizes this plan right to your
23:27 point uh council member Marts of making
23:29 it less aspirational and more concrete
23:31 right and then it'll be in the regular
23:34 uh funding process. Okay. And so if
23:35 we're serious about these things, we can
23:37 we can actually take those those normal
23:39 steps and not have to explore these uh
23:42 roundabout methods, right, of funding
23:43 and the like. So yes,
23:46 >> Jared, so on some of these particularly
23:49 on the two top priorities, can you talk
23:52 a little bit more about the individual
23:56 like implementation plan? So like for
24:00 the wildfire risk reduction on page 45
24:02 of the annex, it talks about two-year
24:05 objectives, five-year objectives, and
24:07 long-term objectives. I assume that came
24:10 from staff. Does it connect anything
24:12 into
24:14 our existing budget or CIP or is that
24:17 just kind of the next step that you
24:19 envision there?
24:20 >> That that is the next step. So, I am
24:22 yeah, I'm really hoping that this this
24:25 plan, right, doesn't become shelf art is
24:27 a term that we sometimes use with plans,
24:30 right? I I really want to operationalize
24:32 it and make it a normal part of the the
24:35 potential um options that we have to
24:38 fund. So, yeah, those those two-year and
24:41 fiveyear plans and long-term objectives,
24:43 right, or those goals, rather, uh that's
24:45 part of the standard that King County
24:47 puts out as like a mitigation annex. So,
24:49 we have to follow those. But uh this
24:51 sounds like a good opportunity to just
24:52 talk about like how we plan to go about
24:56 uh keeping track of our progress towards
24:58 these mitigation strategies. And um what
25:00 it looks like is there's a p point of
25:02 contact assigned to each of the
25:04 strategies, right? And um I'll have
25:06 yearly check-ins with those point of
25:08 contacts to see progress and many of
25:10 them happen to be uh projects where I am
25:13 the lead for as well too. And so um
25:15 we'll have a uh internal tracking sheet
25:18 of our progress towards those objectives
25:20 and um we're happy to share back our
25:22 progress right as we march towards those
25:25 goals through the through the life of
25:26 the plan. So yeah
25:31 um great. So I'll continue uh to talk
25:34 about the mitigation strategies or
25:36 highlight a few more of them but uh the
25:38 next up is Isqua Police Department civil
25:40 disorder training. So, uh, this is to
25:42 really establish standardized and
25:44 recoccurring training for our, uh,
25:46 police officers to make sure that they
25:48 feel confident in, uh, responding to
25:50 civil disturbances.
25:52 Next is resilience hub imp
25:54 implementation. So, um, as you may know,
25:57 we have resilience hubs uh, scattered
26:00 throughout the city if we're working on
26:01 expanding them further. um they're meant
26:03 to be uh locations where people can go
26:06 to in any disaster, hoping that the
26:08 lights are on, a place where people can
26:10 receive some base level of support,
26:12 right? And so we are um hoping to expand
26:15 that network and make those locations
26:17 even more resilient to disasters, right?
26:20 So that strategy really speaks to the
26:22 work that we are partnering with
26:23 sustainability on to make sure that um
26:25 they are they are available and that
26:27 they can be these like um these these
26:30 cornerstones of resilience in our
26:32 neighborhoods if you will.
26:34 Uh a community GIS hazard viewer is uh
26:38 speaking to the need to really get this
26:40 information out into the community.
26:42 Right? You you'll see in the plan that
26:43 we have these maps of these hazard
26:45 areas, right? But that's not a very
26:47 user-friendly way of going about finding
26:49 information and the potential impacts uh
26:52 to the community. So we'd like to create
26:54 a hazard viewer where residents um and
26:58 businesses and even city folks too,
27:00 right, can have this one place where we
27:02 can see hazards and understand uh better
27:05 understand our risk and incorporate them
27:06 into our planning.
27:08 The next is city building, seismic
27:10 analysis and retrofit. So um we talked
27:12 about critical infrastructure. This is
27:14 the city building side of things. And so
27:16 I should mention that um we've been this
27:19 is one strategy that we carried over
27:21 from the last plan. Um we've done some
27:23 work on it already. We've received
27:25 funding through two grants to do sizing
27:27 assessments on some of our buildings
27:28 being uh city hall, the public works
27:30 campus, and then the next round that's
27:32 coming up is um really parks buildings.
27:35 So community center, senior center, uh
27:37 Pickering Barn, and the ops building uh
27:40 that facility shares. And so we've
27:42 found, you know, over the course of
27:44 those studies, right, about some of the
27:45 upgrades we need to make to city hall.
27:47 And so once um once we get through the
27:50 rest of these assessments, that'll help
27:51 us prioritize actually or justify rather
27:54 going after these bigger, larger seismic
27:56 retrofit projects um and really taking
27:59 that those studies to the next level, if
28:00 you will.
28:02 City critical infrastructure energy
28:04 resilience. So this is also a carryover
28:06 from our last uh plan. And really this
28:09 just speaks to the need to have
28:10 resilient power systems at our critical
28:12 facilities being buildings and
28:14 infrastructure to make sure that they
28:16 remain operational. Right? I brought up
28:18 the senior center with the solar and
28:20 battery um storage, right? But our goal
28:23 is to to really have um these key
28:25 elements of our infrastructure hardened.
28:28 I mean the bomb cyclone was so revoly,
28:30 right? And just how strained um we can
28:33 get right when when we're faced with
28:35 these long power outages.
28:39 Uh the next is post wildfire development
28:41 and high-risisk debris flow zones. So uh
28:44 this is about updating our land use and
28:46 development regulations to to really
28:49 take a hard look at what do we do um
28:52 with an area after a wildfire has burned
28:55 uh through it or conversely what happens
28:58 if a wildfire burns um upstream if you
29:01 will from a development. And the reason
29:03 we think about that is um you may have
29:06 seen or heard some communities in
29:08 California dealing with um mud flows
29:11 right post wildfire. And so um even if a
29:14 community isn't necessarily impacted by
29:16 the flames um they can be impacted by
29:19 landslides or landslide like situations
29:22 following a wildfire. So taking a good
29:24 hard look at that and making sure that
29:26 you know we have a plan um when it comes
29:29 to when it comes to those debris flow uh
29:31 flow zones.
29:33 The next is a carryover too. So this is
29:35 addresses um s and tsunami modeling in
29:38 lakesamish. And so if you're unfamiliar
29:41 with a s it's essentially like a bathtub
29:44 effect of like water moving back and
29:46 forth. And so um this is a uh this is a
29:50 strategy to take a harder look at that.
29:52 It's kind of nested. It's part of
29:53 earthquake as well too. That's the main
29:54 instigation instigator um if you will
29:58 for siches. Um and so we actually
30:01 historically have engaged UDub trying to
30:04 study this um as a potential project.
30:07 There was some initial interest but um
30:09 we're we're still going to keep we're
30:11 still going to attempt to study that but
30:13 it's a little bit in lurch.
30:15 Enhancing air quality and chemical
30:17 detection near vulnerable populations.
30:19 This is our uh hazardous materials
30:21 release. um mitigation strategy. So
30:24 deploying detection capabilities near
30:26 high-risisk corridors and vulnerable
30:27 populations to enable faster response to
30:29 hazardous area releases. Um we have
30:31 transportation corridors, a major one
30:33 I90 that runs through our community. Um
30:37 there is a lot of hazardous materials
30:40 that cross through a Siqua every day.
30:42 Not to mention we have pipelines and
30:44 facilities that also house a
30:46 considerable size of um hazardous
30:47 materials uh just on the dayto-day.
30:50 Deputy Council President Martz.
30:52 >> So,
30:53 as you're discussing all these things,
30:56 >> um, these are all things that you could
30:58 do if we wanted to fund them.
31:00 >> Correct.
31:00 >> Right. So, this is all these are all
31:02 you're you're showing us the menu and
31:04 you're saying if you want the sea bass,
31:06 here's how we would prepare the sea
31:07 bass. Yes. If you want the lobster,
31:09 here's how we would present prepare the
31:11 lobster. None of this is necessarily
31:13 things that you are going to do
31:14 otherwise.
31:15 >> Correct. Yeah. And so
31:18 how do we
31:20 how do we decide? They all have price
31:23 tags associated with them and as you've
31:25 mentioned earlier some of them have
31:27 higher probability times severity and
31:29 others have lower probability time
31:31 severity. You know there was a point in
31:33 this city where one of your predecessors
31:36 thought a seash wave um was a was a
31:38 serious risk because we have the ground
31:40 fault uh that runs into the city which
31:43 is capable of producing seash waves. Um
31:45 clearly you know in the score that has
31:48 been given in this sewaves are not
31:50 considered near the top of our risk
31:53 setup. So how do we how does this work?
31:55 Like it seems like at some point we have
31:57 to get
31:58 >> the menu at some point the waiter asks
32:00 us what we want to order, right? And we
32:02 say I want the sea bass and I want the
32:04 lobster and I want um the uh Caesar
32:09 salad but only if it comes with the
32:10 anchovies, right? And so when do we when
32:13 and how do we do that? Yeah, I I love
32:15 that analogy. Thank you for that. That
32:17 really I wish I had said that. Thank
32:19 you. But um that is so I would say this
32:23 is maybe your opportunity to hear a
32:25 little bit more about the menu items if
32:27 you will under this analogy, right? Um
32:30 but also uh I would say the budget is a
32:32 big opportunity to order, right? But
32:35 two, you know, if directed like I'm
32:38 hearing some priorities already emerge,
32:40 right? we um we have some capacity to
32:43 chase some of these mitigation
32:44 strategies with things like grant
32:45 funding, right? And so I am constantly
32:48 on the lookout for for grant funds and
32:51 apply frequently um for them, right? I
32:53 think we've done three three grant
32:56 applications for a new generator at city
32:59 hall, right? We've mentioned some of the
33:00 uh other senior center improvements,
33:03 these seismic studies, right? So even
33:05 outside of funding, right? if if you
33:08 order right uh wildfire risk reduction I
33:11 I'm going to listen to that I'm going to
33:12 hear that right and say okay when I'm
33:15 seeing these grant opportunities you
33:17 know that's that's the project I'm going
33:18 to put forward we in theory we could put
33:21 all these forward in grant rounds right
33:23 we could we could submit every project
33:25 that we have in hazard mitigation plan
33:28 we don't have capacity for that you know
33:30 in emergency management right with our
33:32 current with our current um staffing and
33:34 just resources but you know Um that's an
33:37 option right we can we can we can
33:39 develop um whatever one of these we
33:42 would like to like to try to get right
33:44 um and and order that if you will so um
33:48 I should say too priorities can change
33:50 as well right so this plan is considered
33:53 a living document right so if there is
33:55 new mitigation strategies new efforts
33:58 new critical vulnerabilities that make
34:01 themsel um aware to us you know like we
34:05 can change and shift our our priorities
34:07 in that. So this is one opportunity but
34:09 um really you know there's many too also
34:12 I welcome any any feedback or any um
34:15 direction really at the course of the
34:17 life of this plan. So,
34:19 >> so Jared, to build on the lovely
34:21 analogy, um it sounds like this annex
34:25 says we are required to put together a
34:28 menu
34:30 >> of all of the potential hazards and how
34:33 we would mitigate them, but it will be
34:36 up to city council if we adopt this and
34:38 then at a later date to encourage its
34:42 inclusion in the CIP to budget for
34:46 spending on those items and to provide
34:50 our feedback on what are the most
34:51 important ones for going after things
34:54 like grants that will help put those
34:58 items on our plate.
35:00 >> Yes.
35:02 >> Continue. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.
35:04 >> Yeah. Yeah. And I should say too, right,
35:07 um this this is kind of a jumping off
35:09 point if you will too for these
35:11 projects, right? Like for example, if we
35:13 do get a grant or um do get funding for
35:16 one of these projects, you know, part of
35:18 our regular internal process is to come
35:20 forward, right, to council to talk about
35:22 that project, you know, and so um this
35:25 isn't like uh to your point, Council
35:27 Member Mart, right, if you if you want
35:28 the anchovies, right, there will be
35:30 other opportunities to provide feedback
35:33 and more direction on each of these
35:35 individual projects um just through our
35:38 regular uh mechanisms that we have
35:40 within the
35:44 All right. Um, so the next one is, uh,
35:48 upgrading HVAC and air filtration and
35:50 resilience hubs. And, um, this is about
35:52 really improving indoor air quality. So,
35:55 MV 13 air filtration is the really the
35:58 level that you want to filter wildfire
36:01 smoke that makes um, air clean, if you
36:04 will, that uh, vulnerable populations or
36:06 even just regular individuals can feel
36:08 comfortable breathing that air. Uh today
36:10 right now we actually don't have a
36:12 facility that has that level of air
36:14 filtration. Um we're working towards
36:17 that hopefully on the community center
36:19 but really you know expanding that level
36:21 of options for our community members
36:24 right is um something that we would like
36:25 to do specifically at our resilience
36:27 hubs being community facing uh uh
36:30 locations.
36:32 Um all right last four. So um create
36:35 public facing dam failure evacuation and
36:37 warning materials. So, um, as I
36:40 mentioned, um, many of our community
36:41 members may be surprised to hear that we
36:44 have, uh, dams, if you will, um, within
36:46 Isiqua that have, uh, that are a risk,
36:49 right? And so, it's a hazard that we
36:51 just typically don't think about, talk
36:53 about, or really, um, socialize, um,
36:57 that broadly. And so this strategy
36:59 really speaks to making sure that we
37:02 have evacuation maps that residents know
37:04 that they live in these damundation
37:06 zones and then provide some guidance on
37:07 what they can do to better prepare
37:09 themselves.
37:11 Next is developing and exercising a
37:12 cyber incident response annex. So this
37:15 is creating and regularly testing um a
37:17 response plan to protect our critical
37:19 infrastructure and systems and maintain
37:22 um and maintain just government
37:24 continuity during these attacks. I
37:26 should say this is really just a piece
37:28 of our cyber um incident like response
37:31 uh catalog, right? There's much more
37:33 work that goes into this than just this
37:35 one strategy, but that's something that
37:37 we picked out as a potential uh area
37:40 that we could strengthen in in
37:42 coordination with our regular cyber uh
37:44 incident plans.
37:45 >> Yeah, I was just going to ask on that.
37:47 Council member Nichols had um questions
37:49 about that. sounds like a plan to
37:52 respond, but we also have other things
37:54 that we do uh that are preventing
37:58 and things like that obviously. So,
38:01 >> yes. Yeah. And if um council member
38:03 Nichols or council would like more
38:04 information about you know just how we
38:06 we are prepared for cyber um attacks.
38:09 Yeah, we're happy to share uh more
38:11 information.
38:12 >> Thank you.
38:14 >> Great. Um next is planning for prolonged
38:16 regional transportation and supply chain
38:17 disruptions. So, this is a plan that
38:20 really speaks to our need to be uh
38:22 self-sufficient following a major
38:25 disruption of transportation corridors.
38:28 Um, you know, it seems somewhat
38:30 far-fetched sometimes, but I mean, you
38:32 take the December flooding and it was
38:34 quite interesting to see, right, we lost
38:36 eastbound 90, SR 900 and um and then
38:40 Isqua Hobart, right? All had disruptions
38:43 on them. And so it was quite uh revoly
38:46 in one moment in the EOC where in the
38:48 emergency operations center where we're
38:50 like wow our our really our only option
38:52 is to go west you know from the city.
38:54 And so uh this strategy speaks to just
38:56 making sure that we're prepared that we
38:58 have a good list of capabilities local
39:00 like know our local vendors and
39:03 contractors have good uh relationships
39:05 with them and implement some agreements
39:07 hopefully even with them. And then
39:10 lastly uh training for city staff on
39:12 suspicious activity reporting. Right.
39:13 So, this is making sure this is speaking
39:15 to our terrorism um hazard, but uh
39:18 providing city staff with training to
39:19 recognize and appropriately report
39:21 suspicious activity to enhance that
39:23 early threat detection and prevention.
39:26 Um so, those are our mitigation
39:28 strategies as they exist. Now, as I
39:30 mentioned, um this is a living document.
39:33 New mitigation strategies may be added
39:35 at any point in the lifetime of the
39:37 mitigation plan. Um and uh this, like I
39:41 said, these are jumping off points,
39:42 right? like if we start to pursue these
39:44 strategies more in depth, we can alter
39:46 them, we can change them and really uh
39:49 make sure that they meet the needs of
39:50 the city.
39:52 So um the options that we have today are
39:55 one to adopt the the annex and so that
39:57 maintains our grant eligibility for
40:00 programs like the building resilient
40:02 infrastructure and communities grant
40:03 flood mitigation assistance and hazard
40:05 mitigation grant program funding which
40:07 is that post- disaster funding pool. Um
40:10 it also helps align our mitigation um
40:12 plans with climate infrastructure
40:14 planning and of course our budget as
40:16 we've mentioned. Um the second option is
40:19 that we do not adopt the plan. Um we
40:21 lose our eligibility for those uh FEMA
40:23 hazard mitigation dollars but um you
40:26 know that certainly is is an an option
40:28 as well.
40:30 So, our proposal and recommendation is
40:32 that we do um adopt our hazard
40:34 mitigation plan um and that it goes to
40:37 the full city council.
40:41 So, uh real briefly timing next steps.
40:44 So, we're here today at the committee
40:45 review. Uh we anticipate or hopeful for
40:49 full council adoption this March. Um
40:52 after that full council adoption, we'll
40:54 submit our plan to FEMA. Um they may
40:56 provide feedback. they likely will not
40:58 at this uh juncture. Um and then after
41:03 uh plan approval, that gives us the
41:05 eligibility to apply for those grants to
41:07 seek that funding. Um, and then finally,
41:09 once our plan is approved, we're going
41:11 to um further engage with the community
41:13 and making sure that the the plan is
41:14 public, but also showcase and bring the
41:17 community in in these hazard mitigation
41:18 efforts that we do choose to prioritize
41:20 and make sure that they uh stay involved
41:23 in mitigation and and also just show off
41:25 some of the work that we are doing in
41:27 the city, right? And and making sure
41:28 that people see the work um that that
41:32 this uh that we are doing to make us
41:33 more resilient.
41:36 So with that, that brings us back to the
41:37 direction needed. So, uh, do you
41:39 recommend any changes or adoption um, to
41:43 our hazard mitigation plan as it stands?
41:45 And I do have those questions from
41:47 Council Member Nichols, too, that we can
41:48 address maybe um, at the end after
41:50 you're
41:51 >> Yeah, I've got those listed as well. So,
41:53 um, all of that. Um, Deputy Council
41:56 President Martz, do you want to start
41:58 with any feedback on the hazard
42:02 mitigation plan annex?
42:08 well, if I understand it right, I think
42:10 it all comes back to uh the slide that
42:13 you showed with the risks uh results
42:15 from staff hazard and risk assessment.
42:18 Um and I think that as a policy matter,
42:21 can you go back to that slide? Yes. Just
42:22 so that we can
42:24 >> refresh our memories on it. There we go.
42:27 So really the question is how far down
42:30 do you want to go on that list? Mhm.
42:32 >> Um, you know, if we were, uh, you know,
42:36 exceedingly wealthy and had people
42:37 sitting around with nothing to do, you
42:39 would do all of them, right? Um, and,
42:42 uh, so I don't have any, I don't have
42:46 any questions. We're sort of, um, are we
42:49 this at the point where we're just
42:51 >> Yeah. either feedback or you're good
42:54 with any adoption?
42:56 >> Yeah, my my feedback is that we should
42:58 get going on both the earthquake and the
43:00 wildfire ones. I think those two are I
43:03 mean extreme weather we already I think
43:05 have plans for those. Um health
43:08 incidents and cyber incidents are hard
43:10 to predict and we don't have knock on
43:13 wood god forbid um uh a serious volcano
43:16 risk right around here. So wildfire and
43:18 earthquake are really just a whole
43:19 different class right for folks who
43:21 don't know we have a surface fault that
43:23 runs from Banebridge Island uh
43:25 underneath basically I90 all the way
43:28 into Isiqua. it's capable of producing
43:30 greater than 1g uh earthquake events and
43:33 um uh we absolutely need to have plans
43:37 for things like that. Um subduction
43:40 fault events are um a regional problem
43:43 with regional solutions.
43:45 >> Um and then wildfire as as we've
43:48 discussed uh you know we are uh have um
43:53 quite a bit of risk associated with
43:55 wildfires during the dry season when the
43:56 fuel loads go up. So, I personally would
43:59 like to see us getting going on both of
44:01 those. I'd like to see, you know, if
44:03 it's if it requires subsequent funding
44:05 by the council. Um, do it. I mean, you
44:09 know, bring it before the council, let
44:11 the seven decide. Um, and then, uh, and
44:14 then execute on it with timelines. I I I
44:17 think that both of these things are
44:19 absolutely critical. I really appreciate
44:20 you putting this together. This is the
44:22 most comprehensive conversation about
44:25 risks in the city that I've seen in 17
44:28 years. Um, but now it's and speaking as
44:31 one of seven, like let's get going on
44:33 these two risks that are that are just
44:35 qualitatively different than all the
44:36 other risks. But I'm interested to know
44:38 what my fellow committee members think.
44:41 >> Yeah. So, I've got my feedback. I also
44:43 have Council Member Nichols feedback.
44:45 So, excuse me for going long, but I'm a
44:49 community emergency response team
44:51 member. So, emergency management is kind
44:54 of my thing. Um, first of all, I think
44:58 this is a fantastic report. Um, I love
45:02 to see not only that we have a good risk
45:05 assessment and calculation, um, but that
45:08 we also got community feedback and that
45:11 we are looking at specific hazard
45:14 mitigations,
45:15 um, and things that we can do in each of
45:17 these areas. it's a lot more difficult
45:20 to just look at it and say prevent
45:22 wildfire versus we recognize that there
45:25 are specific hazards that we can
45:27 mitigate in that area that will make us
45:30 a safer community. So I like that
45:32 approach of this report. Um, I think
45:36 from my perspective, um, I might want to
45:40 think a little bit more about the
45:45 impact and exposure of flooding in our
45:48 community. While it only we only
45:51 experience flooding in the valley floor
45:54 areas as much. Um, I think that
45:59 doesn't take into account the idea that
46:02 most of our community either uses
46:05 resources or services or schools or
46:08 other things in those areas.
46:10 >> And so that is it it discounts the fact
46:14 that those areas are used by the entire
46:17 community even if their personal
46:18 property isn't impacted by it. Um, and
46:22 we've seen quite a bit of flooding that
46:25 has had a full citywide impact even if
46:28 it only has exposure in those areas. So,
46:32 I might I might have personally
46:34 calculated that a little bit differently
46:35 that way. Um, when we are thinking about
46:39 investments and use of city funds, I
46:41 really want to be careful to focus on
46:43 projects that have a large scale impact.
46:45 And I think a confluence park flood
46:47 storage is a really good example of that
46:49 rather than things that are necessarily
46:51 related to individual properties such as
46:53 mitigation for repetitive loss flooding
46:55 properties. That being said, if we
46:58 combine it with then taking that and
47:01 making the river creek a safer place
47:04 overall, I think that balances out. Um
47:08 similarly I would be hesitant to invest
47:10 city funds in things that were new
47:13 planning areas like the lake seamish
47:16 s and tsunami modeling um because we
47:21 already have a lot of planning and
47:23 understanding of many of these higher
47:26 >> risk areas. And so that would be my
47:28 preference there.
47:30 uh the critical infrastructure seismic
47:32 risk. I think this is a really great
47:36 um addition and it seems to be an area
47:38 where we can not only make investments
47:40 but also code changes about what needs
47:43 to be made as a requirement for future
47:46 infrastructure. And so that would be one
47:48 that I would want to maybe follow two
47:50 different paths on. One a budgetary one
47:52 a um code and policy. Um, when I'm
47:56 thinking about the report, one of the
47:58 things I had a hard time understanding
48:00 was how we're handling all of our 2020
48:04 uncompleted items.
48:05 >> Mhm.
48:06 >> Um, do those continue into our 2025
48:10 plan? How do they rank in priority
48:12 compared to the list? You know,
48:14 >> how is that handled? So when we're
48:17 looking about the report, I would say I
48:20 want to see the 2025 mitigation
48:23 strategies maybe earlier in the report.
48:25 Better explain what happens to the 2020
48:27 strategies.
48:29 Um I would love to see the list of
48:31 strategies ranked from high to low
48:34 >> or alphabetical. Right now I couldn't
48:38 tell why something was in a certain
48:40 order. Um, and then on each individual
48:43 mitigation page, I would really like to
48:45 be able to see the priority, okay?
48:47 >> High, medium, or low. Um, be so that I
48:49 didn't have to scroll all the way back
48:51 up to that list to understand how it,
48:54 um, fits in.
48:56 >> And then my final piece of feedback is
49:01 on the topic of how do we make this
49:03 actionable? So, I'm glad to hear you've
49:05 already mentioned the CIP. That was um
49:08 my th first thought for that 2-year and
49:11 5-year objectives. Um I'm wondering if
49:15 there is an idea of having emergency
49:18 management called out as a separate
49:20 category much like parks and
49:21 transportation are or if the idea would
49:24 be to fit it into categories. I know we
49:27 already have on our CIP, we recently did
49:30 um the capital improvement project plan.
49:33 We already did um something that gives
49:39 what is it the selection criteria and so
49:42 all of these projects would fit very
49:43 well in the life and safety um category.
49:48 So I can understand how they're going to
49:49 be scored but I would be interested to
49:52 be able to call out like hey emergency
49:55 management is this area that isn't just
49:57 about parks or transportation. It's
50:01 really kind of its own category.
50:04 >> Um, let me see if there was anything
50:06 else in those notes.
50:09 Yeah. And then toward that idea, could
50:12 the hazard calculations be used, the
50:15 risk calculations in our CIP
50:20 data? Um, because I think that would be
50:22 a really useful way of showing how
50:24 important this project is.
50:28 All of these are going to score very
50:29 well from a life and safety aspect, but
50:32 earthquake and wildfire should have some
50:35 sense of more important than necessarily
50:39 terrorism or landslide projects.
50:42 >> So that's my feedback. I can go on to
50:46 council member Nichols or if you have
50:48 any thoughts there.
50:49 >> Yeah, I guess um the first thing I'll
50:51 address is kind of the old mitigation
50:53 strategies, right? And so, um,
50:55 truthfully, the previous iteration of
50:57 this plan was mostly written in a from a
50:59 public works perspective. And so, many
51:02 of the strategies, um, were kind of it
51:05 was mostly incorporating work that
51:07 public works was already doing, you
51:10 know, and using it as a lake to justify
51:13 uh, grant applications. That probably
51:15 the one caveat to that is maybe uh, the
51:18 C theert um, strategy that's pulled from
51:21 from there. But again, you know,
51:23 emergency management used to be in
51:24 public works. So, in some in some extent
51:27 too, um I would say we're we are funding
51:31 CERT already like we're well supporting
51:33 that. I would don't I um don't know what
51:36 more we would call out in a specific
51:37 strategy other than like all the other
51:39 work that we're doing with C existingly.
51:42 So I think you know for the old
51:43 strategies you know some of them we did
51:46 carry over right like the energy
51:47 resilience and some of these add-ons
51:49 actually that we tacked on to the plan
51:51 in like just the last couple years uh
51:53 like the wildfire the energy resilience
51:55 and um and some of those we did tack on
51:57 and so some of them got continued but um
52:00 the other ones the older ones I'm kind
52:02 of personally okay letting them expire
52:05 and if there is maybe elements that we
52:07 do want to pull out right like we can
52:09 but you know Um, Council Member um,
52:13 Walsh, I think it's a good point of like
52:15 we need to have some accounting of the
52:17 work that we do to or almost like a a
52:19 record if you will, right? To cuz I
52:21 don't want to lose some of the wins that
52:23 we have, right, when we just move to the
52:25 next plan and, you know, and and not
52:27 highlight some of the good work that
52:28 we've done. So, um, maybe there's a
52:30 potential way that we could still
52:31 incorporate them too in that sense. How
52:34 does that sound?
52:35 >> Okay.
52:35 >> Okay.
52:36 >> Yeah.
52:36 >> Let me go on to Council Member Nichols.
52:39 Um, so he brought up some of the same
52:41 things that Deputy Council President,
52:43 uh, Martz did about, hey, there's no
52:45 cost estimates. This isn't, you know, a
52:48 budget. Um, and so he said it would be
52:51 really useful to see at least rough cost
52:53 tiers um, before this is brought before
52:57 full council or a commitment to deliver
52:59 them shortly after adoption. And I
53:01 think, you know, I would be interested
53:03 to know how do you think that works with
53:06 this plan versus accomplishing that
53:09 through another method like the CIP.
53:12 >> Yeah. And so, um, we talked internally
53:15 about a potential approach. So, we can
53:17 incorporate cost estimates if you will,
53:20 you kind of using like a scale of like
53:21 $1 sign through, right? If to kind of at
53:24 least give a sense of how much these
53:27 projects might cost, right? and and that
53:29 te's up our ability, right, when we do
53:31 go to like CIP, right? We can really
53:35 hammer down and hone in on what those
53:37 actual costs will be, but it still
53:38 incorporates that, you know, bird's eye
53:40 view of of what some of these costs are.
53:42 And and you know, initially we actually
53:44 did have we were thinking about cost
53:46 estimates, but it got kind of tricky
53:48 with some of the ones like even the
53:50 seismic assessments for critical
53:51 infrastructure, right? because it's like
53:53 we may find that we're in pretty good
53:55 shape for, you know, a good amount of
53:57 the water towers or we may find that,
54:00 you know, oh my word, you know, we need
54:01 to have multi-million dollar projects.
54:04 And so there's I think staff were kind
54:06 of struggling honestly with that that
54:08 cost estimate part became a little bit
54:10 of a stumbling block. But what we can
54:12 commit to though is incorporating I
54:14 think that that range if you will um or
54:17 like that symbol symbology a little bit
54:19 to just give us a sense of how much
54:21 things will cost and then in when we do
54:23 go to CIP or grant applications of
54:26 course we'll like drill down into a real
54:27 hard number. Does does that sound
54:29 sufficient?
54:31 >> Yeah, deputy council president.
54:33 >> What I I I worry about timelines when
54:37 you start talking about CIP grant
54:39 applications. I worry that we're going
54:42 to build a plan to build a plan to build
54:44 a plan and that when my term is up in
54:46 3.8 years, we still won't be done with
54:48 these,
54:49 >> right?
54:49 >> Um so, uh you know, as an administration
54:55 um that has an emergency management
54:58 person, um these these both of these
55:01 things are desperately needed. So, um,
55:05 you know, it would be weird to say,
55:08 okay, well, here's the t-shirt size on
55:11 these, right? Like wildfire is a medium
55:14 and earthquake is a large and uh that'll
55:17 be some monies at some point in the
55:19 future. you know, I mean, CIP can take a
55:23 very long time and then the actual work
55:25 itself takes time and then any uh work
55:28 that we decide to do as a result of
55:30 those plans takes time and again I come
55:32 back to my 3 point eight years and um
55:35 wanting to have this resolved long
55:37 before my next this current term is up.
55:40 So that that's my concern in in in this
55:43 whole conversation is
55:45 >> um
55:46 >> you know the sense of urgency of of
55:48 getting going on something like this on
55:51 these two. I think you've correctly
55:53 identified these two as really being a
55:55 different level of risk than other um
55:58 emergency situations that we could
56:00 possibly have. So how do we how do we
56:03 get it going? how how do we get the
56:05 scoping activity um the decision and
56:08 then the execution in a reasonable
56:10 amount of time
56:12 >> um and what is a reasonable amount of
56:14 time right I I don't think you're I
56:16 don't think all this is leading you to
56:17 saying yep and I'll have all this stuff
56:19 done by the end of the year like that's
56:21 not what I'm hearing at all
56:22 >> right yeah and I think that's um that's
56:25 a challenge that we have right but like
56:26 I said this is in some sense you know a
56:29 third of our work plan in emergency
56:31 management right so this is this is what
56:33 we're going to working on you know and
56:35 for so that's my time it's other staff
56:38 members time it's not just me right
56:40 there's other departments too so
56:42 >> I I thought it is if we move forward
56:44 with it
56:45 >> oh yes if we if we move forward with it
56:47 yes
56:47 >> assuming we move forward
56:48 >> yes should yes thank you
56:51 >> yeah and I think I will clarify this
56:53 kind of gets glombmed alto together in
56:56 this presentation but the first half is
56:58 really about this hazard um and
57:01 mitigation plan and then the second half
57:04 is and what else should we be doing with
57:07 emergency management? Where should our
57:09 focus be? And so I'm hearing very
57:11 clearly we have two very high
57:14 priorities. And so I definitely want to
57:16 drill down when we get into that on
57:19 being like, okay, what's next?
57:21 >> Yeah.
57:22 >> Because it isn't just taking them into
57:24 the CIP. No.
57:26 >> Um so okay, um let me just continue
57:29 through Council Member Nichols. Um he
57:31 talked about performance measures. So
57:33 each strategy includes metrics but none
57:36 have baselines, targets or reporting
57:38 cadence. Um and he references that hey
57:42 some of the 2020 stuff didn't get
57:43 completed. Um so is there a sense with
57:48 other plans we have kind of created some
57:51 of those metrics or targets. Is there a
57:54 sense in here of what we want to
57:56 accomplish? Not just here's a hazard
57:59 hazard and here's a mitigation strategy.
58:02 >> Yeah. What what I would say is that you
58:04 know these strategies truly are the the
58:07 jumping off part point, right? Um for us
58:09 as a city um so as we embark in like in
58:14 these individual strategies more
58:15 seriously, right? Like all those kind of
58:17 classic project management, you know,
58:19 tools, measures, they they will be
58:22 applied, you know, to to these efforts.
58:24 um this plan is is um mostly guiding if
58:29 you will, right? And a little less
58:30 tactical is the way that my brain thinks
58:32 of it. So um yes, so all so those will
58:36 be um part of our part of our strategies
58:38 if we choose to move forward with them.
58:42 >> Okay. Um he also mentioned community
58:44 engagement. He said,40
58:47 touch points is really impressive, but
58:49 there was no sense of how many of those
58:51 were Isiqua residents. Um, and so he
58:56 also mentioned he didn't see any
58:57 evidence of outreach to renters,
58:59 non-English speakers, or residents in
59:01 map flood zones, or the wildland urban
59:04 interface um, populations most affected
59:06 by the hazards. So, it would be good to
59:08 know if there was any targeted outreach.
59:13 >> Yeah, I thought those were really,
59:14 really good points to bring up and
59:17 honestly, I think it's opportunities to
59:19 grow in our community uh, engagement.
59:21 And um what I would say too is that
59:24 hopefully you know this is this is not
59:26 the end of our hazard mitigation right
59:28 this is just the beginning if you will
59:30 and so whichever you know what what our
59:33 strategies when we start to implement
59:34 them you know we're going to look for
59:35 that community feedback we're going to
59:37 look for that more targeted community
59:38 engagement and so um I love that I loved
59:42 highlighting those points and I think
59:43 it's a really good thing that we can
59:44 carry forward with us into the future.
59:47 >> Great. And then his last piece was just
59:49 noticing that the CRS rating uh
59:53 discrepancy on different pages. So
59:55 >> it was a good catch. Yes, we we are a
59:58 community five and working towards a CRS
1:00:01 rating five working towards four.
1:00:03 >> Fantastic. So with that, I think um
1:00:07 generally I have heard both from council
1:00:11 member Nichols in his um comments but
1:00:14 also between the two of us general
1:00:16 support for this annex plan for the
1:00:19 hazard mitigation plan and um so is
1:00:23 there any other feedback you need from
1:00:25 us? A sense of when it's going to come
1:00:29 back to council and whether or not we
1:00:30 want to put it on consent or regular
1:00:33 business? Thank you.
1:00:35 >> Well, I I just want to foot stomp this
1:00:38 again. You know, there's a I'm a movie
1:00:41 guy. There's a scene in the social
1:00:42 network where uh he says, "If you had
1:00:45 invented Facebook, you would have
1:00:46 invented Facebook, right? We will have a
1:00:49 wildfire and earthquake plan in place
1:00:51 when we have a wildfire and earthquake
1:00:53 plan in place." Right? And so I want to
1:00:55 have a wildfire and earthquake plan in
1:00:57 place. Um we to do that we have to
1:01:00 begin, right? Yeah,
1:01:01 >> we have to accept the annex and we have
1:01:03 to say we want to see the t-shirting of
1:01:06 the efforts.
1:01:07 >> I want a wildfire and earthquake plan in
1:01:09 place as soon as is reasonable.
1:01:13 >> Yeah.
1:01:13 >> So that's, you know, whatever that looks
1:01:16 like. Um, I just worry that again it's
1:01:18 we're building a plan to make a plan to
1:01:21 have a plan and uh, you know, this this
1:01:24 is really this is super clear guidance
1:01:27 why wildfire and earthquake plans um,
1:01:30 need to be the core of our response. So,
1:01:35 I just wanted to foot stomp that. Yeah,
1:01:38 >> foot stomp away. Absolutely. still need
1:01:41 to uh approve the annex so that we can
1:01:44 qualify for grants and because we kind
1:01:47 of just need to do it. Um and so are we
1:01:52 good to adopt this and do you have a
1:01:56 sense of consent or regular business?
1:01:59 >> I am absolutely excited about adopting
1:02:02 this. In terms of it coming back on
1:02:04 consent or regular, I guess I would ask
1:02:07 the administration if they have a
1:02:09 preference. I think that this report was
1:02:11 clear enough that I I would be
1:02:13 comfortable as a junior member of this
1:02:15 committee um to tell the other uh four
1:02:18 council members who weren't part of this
1:02:20 process that um the the the uh the
1:02:23 committee uh
1:02:26 video makes it very clear why we want to
1:02:28 move forward with this and not having it
1:02:30 be regular. But if the administration
1:02:32 comes back and said no, we're super
1:02:33 excited about having this on regular
1:02:35 business that
1:02:36 >> Okay. So, it sounds like we are in
1:02:38 support of this coming to full council
1:02:40 and comfortable with it being on consent
1:02:42 unless the administration has any reason
1:02:46 not to. We always like to highlight the
1:02:48 great work of our emergency management
1:02:50 team, but it sounds like we've got the
1:02:53 rest of the presentation to talk about
1:02:56 all of the other things that we want to
1:02:59 foot stomp and deliver the plans that
1:03:03 council is going to make demands on. So
1:03:06 take it away.
1:03:07 >> That's a perfect Yeah. tea up. So um
1:03:10 yeah, so the second part of the
1:03:11 presentation is to yeah give feedback on
1:03:14 really our broader emergency management
1:03:16 program. Right. We've we've kind of
1:03:17 heard that, you know, from the mayor but
1:03:19 also from the council retreat that
1:03:21 emergency preparedness efforts, you
1:03:23 know, are a priority and something that
1:03:24 we should think about. And so I just
1:03:26 want to share um with this committee a
1:03:28 little bit about what's on the current
1:03:30 work plan, some of the things we're
1:03:32 thinking about, and then really
1:03:33 opportunities that I see as um growth
1:03:36 areas to really bring our emergency
1:03:38 management program to the to the next
1:03:40 level, if you will. So a little bit of
1:03:43 background. So things are changing in
1:03:47 emergency management. One, disasters are
1:03:50 happening more frequently, right? right
1:03:52 on this bar graph that you see here on
1:03:54 the left side of your screen, right? You
1:03:56 can see this increase in climate driven
1:03:58 hazards um where there's been declared
1:04:00 disasters in the last 5 years and you'll
1:04:03 see severe storm, flood, and fire are
1:04:05 really the three captured there, but
1:04:07 also all of their declarations. And so
1:04:08 those are typically the nonclimate
1:04:10 driven ones. But um you'll notice that
1:04:12 bar graph is growing. And you know,
1:04:13 anecdotally, right, I will even say from
1:04:16 my almost three years here, right, we've
1:04:18 had some pretty serious um incidents.
1:04:21 And so um that's just following the
1:04:23 trend um for the state. Um two the
1:04:26 background context is FEMA is also
1:04:29 changing uh very drastically. So there
1:04:32 has been huge reductions to uh disaster
1:04:37 uh response staff to um preparedness
1:04:40 efforts and really uh funding their
1:04:43 system as a whole is is changing. And so
1:04:47 what the uh federal government is asking
1:04:49 is that local jurisdictions shoulder
1:04:52 more of uh emergency management and what
1:04:55 was typically FEMA's role. Um local
1:04:58 jurisdictions are asked to to take
1:04:59 bigger parts of that. And so um some of
1:05:02 these u some of these things that we've
1:05:04 enjoyed from FEMA being um having
1:05:07 leadership in in emergency management
1:05:09 are starting to wayne. And so, um, one
1:05:12 of the best or one of the most recent
1:05:14 examples that hit home for us, right, is
1:05:15 the bomb cyclone. You know, that was a
1:05:17 disaster that was large enough that
1:05:19 would have qualified us for public
1:05:21 assistance funding in uh, previous
1:05:24 understandings of what our of what our
1:05:26 thresholds were, but uh, no longer,
1:05:29 right? That that bar has moved to about
1:05:31 to be six times higher than what it was,
1:05:34 you know, um, just a couple years ago.
1:05:36 And so all that to say is, you know, the
1:05:39 need for us to be prepared for
1:05:42 emergencies, effective in our response
1:05:44 to, you know, um, pursue these risk
1:05:47 reduction activities, I think is it's
1:05:49 it's higher, right, than than what it
1:05:51 was even a couple years ago, just
1:05:52 because the landscape has changed, uh,
1:05:54 so drastically in a short period of
1:05:56 time. Um, so we've talked about, you
1:06:00 know, risk reduction and in depth,
1:06:02 right? But there's the two other
1:06:04 pillars, emergency response and
1:06:05 community preparedness that we'll take a
1:06:08 little bit of a diver deep dive into. Um
1:06:10 now, so here's what's really on the work
1:06:12 plan this year, if you will, for uh
1:06:15 emergency management. And so this is
1:06:17 specifically uh talking about emergency
1:06:19 response, which is protecting life,
1:06:21 property, and environment during and
1:06:22 after emergencies large and small. So uh
1:06:25 we are updating our comprehensive
1:06:27 emergency management plan uh this year.
1:06:30 that is our foundational document that
1:06:32 describes um how we respond to disasters
1:06:35 and emergencies within Isiqua. That is
1:06:38 um it outlines duties, responsibilities,
1:06:41 operations um really uh our our our
1:06:44 guiding document for emergencies. So
1:06:46 that's getting updated this year. Um
1:06:49 this summer we have some large events
1:06:52 that are happening here regionally. So
1:06:54 we're getting ready for them. they are
1:06:56 chiefly uh the 250th anniversary of the
1:06:59 US and then also FIFA World Cup, right?
1:07:02 So um they happen to coincide at the
1:07:04 same time. So two large events that um
1:07:08 you know we want to make sure that our
1:07:10 community and our visitors and um and
1:07:13 everyone really is just has a safe and
1:07:16 um and good time at those events. Next
1:07:18 is resilience hub expansion. Um, as I've
1:07:21 mentioned before, we're trying to get a
1:07:22 resilience hub in every neighborhood
1:07:24 within Isiqua, right? So, that looks
1:07:26 like working with uh community partners,
1:07:29 organizations, and to really not only
1:07:32 identify new locations, but strengthen
1:07:34 them, make them more resilient, and uh
1:07:36 support them so they can so we can count
1:07:38 on them when disaster does strike. And
1:07:41 then lastly, um I'm excited to to come
1:07:43 back before council and do some uh
1:07:46 emergency management training and
1:07:48 exercise with you all at some point,
1:07:50 right? Kind of going over uh what your
1:07:52 role is in emergency, some of the powers
1:07:54 that you have and really getting an
1:07:56 opportunity to exercise uh those and and
1:07:58 have a um and yeah have some after
1:08:01 action items taken from them. Next is
1:08:04 community preparedness. So this is um
1:08:06 about informing and readying the
1:08:08 community for disasters. So our really
1:08:10 our chief um way that we go about this
1:08:13 is serve our community emergency
1:08:15 response team of which we have
1:08:16 volunteers that go through a course that
1:08:19 equips them with skills that can uh not
1:08:21 only serve them their families but also
1:08:23 their neighbors and you know um it's in
1:08:25 community preparedness but we also use
1:08:26 them in emergency response as well. You
1:08:28 know supported us in the bomb cyclone
1:08:31 and in flooding alike. Um doing
1:08:33 everything from filling sandbags to
1:08:35 handing out flyers and flood cleanup
1:08:37 kits. So they they they truly do a lot
1:08:39 for our community. Um of which our C
1:08:42 program has grown um immensely. You
1:08:44 know, we we offer five courses now every
1:08:46 year um as opposed to the two that we've
1:08:49 uh traditionally offered. Um our
1:08:52 volunteer numbers are almost up to 400
1:08:54 um for cert. And so it's quite it's
1:08:55 quite the cadre and uh we have a lot of
1:08:58 great people who are fired up and
1:09:00 engaged uh with it volunteers speaking
1:09:02 that really help drive that. So, um,
1:09:04 that's not all just emergency the
1:09:06 emergency manager, right? I my hats off
1:09:09 to these community members who really
1:09:10 have championed this effort. Next is
1:09:13 wildfire preparedness, right? So, we've
1:09:15 done the wildfire evacuation time
1:09:16 estimate. Um, we still want to socialize
1:09:18 those results more broadly, make sure
1:09:20 people understand evacuation, can get
1:09:23 prepared. Um, ready, set, go is a
1:09:25 countywide program. Um, it was actually
1:09:27 used in the flooding, too, to for
1:09:29 evacuation levels. Um, but we want to
1:09:31 make sure people are ready for
1:09:32 wildfires. So, we're talking about doing
1:09:34 more wildfire trivia nights like that we
1:09:37 did last year. Uh screening of more
1:09:39 wildfire documentaries and um really
1:09:41 updating also our online resources where
1:09:44 people can learn about these things. Um
1:09:46 including a GIS map that shows
1:09:49 neighborhood by neighborhood um what
1:09:51 your evacuation routes are and um what
1:09:54 you should consider. So um those are all
1:09:56 efforts that were that are underway for
1:09:59 community preparness specifically for
1:10:00 wildfire. And then lastly, we want to
1:10:03 invest in more just general uh trainings
1:10:06 and engagements for the community,
1:10:07 right? Cert is a big commitment for some
1:10:09 individuals, right? But we want to make
1:10:11 sure that we have uh smaller, more
1:10:13 frequent touch points with the community
1:10:16 um that can help uh educate and make
1:10:18 them aware of our of our many hazards.
1:10:20 And so, uh, we're we're looking for
1:10:23 we're kind of revamping, if you will,
1:10:25 some of those efforts, getting away from
1:10:27 like the traditional just seminar style,
1:10:29 but going to places where people already
1:10:31 are, right? Like wildfire trivia is a
1:10:32 good example of that. Showing up where
1:10:34 people already hang out and doing, uh,
1:10:36 education kind of that way. So, um,
1:10:38 that's all part of community
1:10:40 preparedness this year. And then, of
1:10:42 course,
1:10:42 >> one second before we go, Deputy Council
1:10:44 President Mart. So, I just I I want to
1:10:49 make sure I know wildfire prepared
1:10:52 there's a lot in wildfire preparedness.
1:10:54 Um I I want to make sure that it's not
1:10:57 like, hey, we have some pamphlets you
1:10:59 can read about how to, you know, cut
1:11:01 brush away from the base of your house.
1:11:04 Like I just I just want to walk you
1:11:05 through a scenario, right? A house fire
1:11:07 on the south side of Squawk Mountain
1:11:10 during a high fuel load day leads to a
1:11:13 wildfire that starts that moves north
1:11:16 coming up over the top of Squawk
1:11:18 Mountain, right?
1:11:20 >> The city needs to have a plan.
1:11:23 Obviously, Epher is, you know, first
1:11:25 line of response on something like that,
1:11:27 but the city, you know, IPD, uh, public
1:11:31 works, you know, the city has to have a
1:11:33 plan in place for an event like that,
1:11:36 right? We don't have anything like that
1:11:38 currently, right?
1:11:39 >> Um, so that's what I think of when I
1:11:42 think of wildfire preparedness. I mean
1:11:44 there is also the cutting brush away
1:11:46 from the base of your home, but you know
1:11:48 part of our challenge is that Squawk
1:11:50 Mountain is steep and the things that
1:11:53 you can do in Wan that
1:11:56 reduce the risk of a wildfire to your
1:11:58 home um we just can't do here. Right.
1:12:01 >> Right. Um so it's about evacuating
1:12:04 people. It's about you know critical
1:12:06 minutes um you know during an event like
1:12:09 that. Mhm.
1:12:10 >> So that's, you know, that's got to be
1:12:12 part of our wildfire preparedness.
1:12:15 >> Yeah. And thank you for highlighting
1:12:16 that. That's it'll actually be called
1:12:18 out as a specific annex to our
1:12:20 comprehensive emergency management plan,
1:12:22 too, is is evacuation to really hammer
1:12:25 out those rules and responsibilities.
1:12:26 We've um one change that we've had from
1:12:28 even last wildfire season is we have a
1:12:30 uh uh a pre-w wildfire checklist, if you
1:12:34 will. So whenever we have those uh red
1:12:36 flag days or critical fire weather, we
1:12:39 actually get together department by
1:12:41 department in a coordination call and
1:12:43 you know bring up all the things to
1:12:45 consider, right? Like do we have keys
1:12:47 for the right gates to open up these
1:12:48 emergency access roads, right? Like
1:12:50 what's our plan for alert notification?
1:12:52 So yeah, thank you for highlighting
1:12:54 that. you know, there's there's um room
1:12:57 to grow there and and I I really expect
1:12:59 the CMP, the comprehensive emergency
1:13:01 management plan, we're going to hammer
1:13:03 out a really all those smaller details,
1:13:06 but we're taking we're taking steps on
1:13:07 that, too. So, but thank you for
1:13:09 highlighting that.
1:13:10 >> All right. Thanks.
1:13:12 >> Yeah.
1:13:13 Okay. And risk reduction, um we we just
1:13:15 took a deep dive into this, so I'm just
1:13:17 going to brush over this quickly, right?
1:13:18 But of course, our hazard mitigation
1:13:20 plan is um nearing nearing uh officially
1:13:23 being completed. The seismic assessments
1:13:25 I've mentioned on some of our city
1:13:27 buildings. And then of course the
1:13:29 infrastructure improvements at
1:13:30 resilience hubs being the solar and
1:13:32 storage um backup and um air filtration
1:13:35 upgrades at the community center.
1:13:38 Whoops. Okay. So with that um with each
1:13:41 three categories, here are the three um
1:13:44 major ways that I could see us growing
1:13:47 our emergency management program. Right.
1:13:49 So um expanding our incident command
1:13:52 system and emergency operations center
1:13:54 training. Um this is really speaking to
1:13:56 making sure that we have as many people
1:13:59 in the city trained up on how to work in
1:14:02 an EOC and uh emergency environment. And
1:14:06 this really addresses that that need
1:14:08 that FEMA is pulling back, right, from
1:14:10 this model where they're coming in,
1:14:12 right, with a big team of 80 people to
1:14:14 come support local jurisdictions, you
1:14:17 know, in a big disaster. You know,
1:14:18 that's that's not going to happen
1:14:20 anymore, right? And so we need to make
1:14:22 sure that from top to bottom, our staff
1:14:24 feel confident working in that EOC and
1:14:26 have a good handle and make sure that,
1:14:28 you know, we don't get overwhelmed by by
1:14:30 a large incident. And so, um, that's
1:14:33 >> Can I ask about the the FEMA piece for a
1:14:35 second? Yeah. Because my understanding
1:14:38 is that one of the things that's
1:14:40 occurring right now is FEMA is moving
1:14:42 more to a block grant type situation,
1:14:44 right? If you look at the total
1:14:46 emergency fund expected distribution in
1:14:48 2026, it's a little bit less than 20,
1:14:51 it's less than 2025, but it's about the
1:14:53 same as 2024. But my understanding is
1:14:55 what really changes is that they're
1:14:58 trying to move again towards a block
1:15:00 grant type system which would cause the
1:15:02 states to have to look at their own for
1:15:05 instance insurance policies and you know
1:15:08 instead of
1:15:09 >> I mean I'm not going to carry water for
1:15:12 the you know the way the feds are doing
1:15:14 things but there is a
1:15:16 >> you know they're still spending FEMA is
1:15:18 still spending a lot of money but that
1:15:19 it's going to go out as block grants. Is
1:15:20 that our understanding as well? And if
1:15:22 so, should we be asking more of Olympia?
1:15:24 Right.
1:15:25 >> Yeah. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I think
1:15:27 that is that if that is the way that
1:15:30 they roll things out, I think that is a
1:15:32 very good next step is to make sure that
1:15:34 olymp that that trickles down, if you
1:15:36 will, to local jurisdictions. There's
1:15:38 some fear, right, that um Washington
1:15:41 State Emergency Management uh division
1:15:43 has been uh really underfunded for for a
1:15:46 long time. And there's this sense that
1:15:49 um or I should say a little bit of
1:15:51 concern in local like jurisdictions that
1:15:54 you know the state will will mostly keep
1:15:57 those keep those funds right and that it
1:15:59 won't really um come come down the way
1:16:02 that the feds are envisioning. And so I
1:16:03 think that is an advocacy opportunity.
1:16:06 You know um there is still so much that
1:16:08 is up in the air when it comes to FEMA,
1:16:11 right? like they were supposed to um
1:16:13 they have convened a council over the
1:16:15 last year that was uh to make
1:16:17 recommendations about how FEMA can
1:16:19 change, right? Uh that report was due in
1:16:21 December, but um it's gotten delayed
1:16:24 till to March of this year. So, we're
1:16:27 kind of holding our breath waiting to
1:16:28 see until March to see what actually um
1:16:31 comes to fruition with FEMA. But we do
1:16:33 know, right, that like staff we do know
1:16:36 staff reductions are happening at FEMA.
1:16:38 That's for something that's for certain,
1:16:40 right? But the actual um future of what
1:16:43 yeah those block grants look like or how
1:16:45 that might um that money might be
1:16:47 repurposed to local jurisdictions I
1:16:49 think is what we're all kind of holding
1:16:50 our breath for. So yeah, thank you for
1:16:52 flagging that, Council Member Mertz.
1:16:54 >> I I just know that being glass half
1:16:57 full, the idea here is I'm going to pick
1:16:59 on another state, right? Florida's
1:17:01 needed insurance reform, hurricane
1:17:03 insurance reform for decades, and they
1:17:05 haven't had to do it because they've
1:17:08 papered over the problem with FEMA money
1:17:10 every time a hurricane comes through.
1:17:11 Right. So, again, playing glass half
1:17:14 full um and giving the benefit of the
1:17:16 doubt. You know, the hope is that with
1:17:18 this the the grant, you know, going to
1:17:21 block grants, it'll cause states then to
1:17:24 have an incentive to fix their houses,
1:17:26 you know, so to speak, with insurance
1:17:28 and and whatnot. So, it just seems like
1:17:32 >> tracking that and seeing how that
1:17:33 impacts our legislative agenda and
1:17:36 making sure, you know, there's very few
1:17:38 cities that have the the kind of uh both
1:17:41 both this earthquake and the wildfire
1:17:44 risk, right?
1:17:45 >> There there aren't many cities in
1:17:46 Washington state that have our risk uh
1:17:49 level.
1:17:50 >> So, making sure that the state does the
1:17:53 things that they need to do to put their
1:17:54 house in order for when the time comes.
1:17:57 You know, it's a shame if we can't count
1:17:59 on FEMA the way we used to count on
1:18:01 FEMA. But if that means we need to count
1:18:02 on the state and ask the state to step
1:18:04 up more, then we need to count on the
1:18:06 state and ask them to step up more.
1:18:08 >> That's a that's a great um option I
1:18:10 think opportunity. So yeah, thanks
1:18:12 thanks for sharing that. Um so the next
1:18:16 area for growth is really after action
1:18:18 item followup from from the flooding and
1:18:20 from the bomb cyclone that we that we've
1:18:22 recently had. you know, we have a lot of
1:18:24 items that we could that we've learned
1:18:25 that we could grow in, right? But we um
1:18:28 just admittedly don't always have all
1:18:30 the all the time and all the staff
1:18:32 capability to chase down and pull all
1:18:34 those, you know, threads and make sure
1:18:36 that, you know, we're fully implementing
1:18:38 our lessons learned. So, that's an area
1:18:40 for growth really deepening EOC
1:18:43 emergency operations center subject
1:18:44 matter expert bench strength, right?
1:18:46 Like, so as mentioned, you know, I'm a
1:18:48 division of one, right? And I'm I'm the
1:18:50 full-time nerd, you know, for for
1:18:52 emergency management, right? And so
1:18:54 while we have people who are highly
1:18:56 capable of operating the EOCC that are
1:18:58 not me, right? Um having another person
1:19:01 too, right? That really has the time to
1:19:04 invest um to to really understand these
1:19:07 systems, the intricacies, um I think is
1:19:10 something that would be a boon to the
1:19:12 city, if you will. expanding
1:19:14 interjurisdictional mutual aid. So, um
1:19:17 we can lean on other jurisdictions and
1:19:20 and their emergency management staff as
1:19:22 well um to as a way to make ourselves
1:19:25 more resilient, right? We have we have
1:19:27 neighbors and as council member Martz
1:19:29 mentioned, you know, has um we have a
1:19:32 lot of risks and sometimes a lot of
1:19:34 things happen in Isqua that are not
1:19:35 happening in other jurisdictions, right?
1:19:37 And so what we can do, you know, with
1:19:40 with more resources is actually train up
1:19:43 other jurisdiction staff on h how to
1:19:46 operate in our EOC um within our
1:19:48 structure. Other jurisdictions do it.
1:19:50 Kirkland's a good example. They invite
1:19:52 all like kind of neighboring emergency
1:19:54 managers once a year to come and learn
1:19:56 exactly just the I mean it's all instant
1:19:59 command system, but learn the nuances of
1:20:01 their of their EOC. And um that's
1:20:03 something right I see as an opportunity
1:20:05 for us too.
1:20:08 um in terms of community preparedness.
1:20:10 So CERT are some of our you know real
1:20:12 community champions if you will of commu
1:20:14 of uh preparedness. So uh but they're
1:20:17 volunteers and we want to make sure that
1:20:19 they're engaged and we want to make sure
1:20:20 that they're passionate and continue to
1:20:22 be those um those voices in our
1:20:25 communities really sharing sharing about
1:20:28 uh disasters and how to get more
1:20:30 prepared. So we want to keep them
1:20:31 engaged with monthly engagements. So
1:20:34 that's bringing in, you know, PSSE to do
1:20:36 downwire training. That's, you know,
1:20:38 bringing in the speaker who's gone
1:20:39 through a wildfire in Eastern Washington
1:20:42 to share some of their high highlights,
1:20:44 right? So offering those things to our
1:20:45 CE uh members uh will only I think serve
1:20:48 us to kind of strengthen that that
1:20:50 advocate that we have in the community.
1:20:53 Neighborhood level education campaigns,
1:20:55 right? Like each uh Isqua is interesting
1:20:57 in the sense where each neighborhood has
1:20:59 a very unique risk profile, if you will,
1:21:02 right? So wildfire is a really big deal
1:21:05 in the highlands, squawk talis, right?
1:21:07 But flooding, you know, it's a it's a it
1:21:10 has a higher impact down here in the
1:21:12 valley, right? So kind of tailoring that
1:21:14 message, bringing that to a neighborhood
1:21:16 level, right? Um I think would be a
1:21:19 really good way that we could make our
1:21:21 community preparedness uh efforts just a
1:21:23 little bit more engaging, right, for
1:21:24 residents and really bring it to home.
1:21:26 Um increased offerings of citywide
1:21:28 trainings engagement. So I've mentioned
1:21:30 this a little bit too but just increase
1:21:31 the frequency right that we have these
1:21:33 uh these trainings. um in terms of risk
1:21:36 reduction. So uh mitigation strategy
1:21:39 implementation you'll you'll notice that
1:21:40 there's a lot of uh mitigation
1:21:42 strategies that are assigned to me in
1:21:43 the mitigation plan right but um as
1:21:46 mentioned you know it is it's mostly it
1:21:49 is me who mostly works on on many of
1:21:51 those and so having um having more help
1:21:54 implementing those and then really grant
1:21:56 writing right grants um many of those
1:21:58 applications are uh quite lengthy
1:22:02 technical ownorous and you know
1:22:05 sometimes you don't always get them
1:22:06 right so there's there's not that
1:22:08 return, but there's there's more grants
1:22:10 out there than we have the resources to
1:22:13 apply for. And so, you know, that's
1:22:15 another potential area that like um
1:22:18 future support could help us with,
1:22:20 right? We could actually have someone um
1:22:22 helping write more grant applications
1:22:24 for seismic infrastructure retrofits,
1:22:26 right? For wildfire, uh you know, um
1:22:30 evacuation route studies, things like
1:22:31 that. you know, try to take advantage of
1:22:33 those big pots of money, you know, that
1:22:35 are that are actually out there. So, um,
1:22:38 those are some of the areas that I see,
1:22:40 right, as potential areas for growth,
1:22:42 but I would love to hear, um, the
1:22:44 committee's thoughts on on just, uh, the
1:22:46 emergency management program, some of
1:22:48 the areas for growth, and really where
1:22:50 where we're going now. So,
1:22:53 >> Deputy Council President Smarts, do you
1:22:55 want to do any more foot stomping?
1:22:57 I don't know about footsteping but um uh
1:23:00 because it's a topic we haven't been
1:23:02 discussed yet this evening but uh have
1:23:05 is part of emergency management um
1:23:08 hardening of our systems against uh uh
1:23:13 disaster um I'm I'm thinking here a
1:23:17 little bit about water and and uh uh
1:23:21 earthquakes but more specifically power
1:23:23 systems right my understanding is we
1:23:25 have four separate power systems in the
1:23:27 city and basically anytime anybody looks
1:23:29 sideways at us, Squawk Mountain loses
1:23:30 power, right? Because ours comes over
1:23:32 the mountain mountains from from the
1:23:34 east side. So, um have we looked at how
1:23:39 um you know, we have had over the last
1:23:41 20 years a number of multi-day
1:23:44 situations where squawk has lost power
1:23:46 for three, four, five, six days. Once
1:23:49 you get to like six days plus, you know,
1:23:51 food storage is a big issue and and and
1:23:54 whatnot. So I I don't see hardening of
1:23:58 uh of utilities in this list.
1:24:02 >> Yeah. You know, and that's where we have
1:24:04 opportunity to partner with PSSE on, you
1:24:06 know, being the the main provider. And
1:24:08 so I think our energy resilience
1:24:10 strategy does call out working with them
1:24:13 more and, you know, really advocating
1:24:14 and and seeing if there's opportunities
1:24:17 to collaborate, right? and and some of
1:24:19 those grants, you know, the
1:24:21 collaboration between private and public
1:24:24 uh entities are uh they help you, right?
1:24:27 And so really engaging PSSE and saying
1:24:29 like, hey, you know, if you if you are
1:24:33 willing to, right, we can chase this
1:24:34 this money together. So that's certainly
1:24:36 an area where we can um where we can
1:24:39 look into uh more and partner with PSSE.
1:24:44 >> Yeah, I think that would be I think that
1:24:46 would be important. I think there's been
1:24:47 a long conversation about in general the
1:24:50 quality frankly of the power in some
1:24:53 parts of the city but this whole system
1:24:55 of having four completely separate it's
1:24:58 it's great if those four systems um
1:25:00 backs stop each other but they don't
1:25:01 right
1:25:02 >> right it's just you get the one that you
1:25:04 get and if it goes out and it goes out
1:25:05 more on squawk than it does any place
1:25:07 else um you're just out of out of luck
1:25:09 for a while
1:25:12 >> so I think that would be an important
1:25:13 addition
1:25:15 >> to the
1:25:18 Anything else? Otherwise, I've got a ton
1:25:20 of notes. Um, first off, I would say I
1:25:24 really appreciate taking this moment to
1:25:26 sit in what are we doing for emergency
1:25:29 management? What are those three
1:25:32 category areas of risk reduction,
1:25:34 preparedness, and emergency response?
1:25:36 and what does the council and in this
1:25:40 case the services safety and parks
1:25:41 committee think are the important areas
1:25:45 of feedback for you? So I would say um
1:25:51 my priority is emergency response. Um I
1:25:56 think it's really important to recognize
1:25:57 that nobody can do that except for the
1:26:01 city. Nobody is going to be able to
1:26:03 seismically retrofit our infrastructure
1:26:07 so that all of the residents can be
1:26:11 insured that we can maintain ourselves
1:26:14 in the midst of an emergency. Um the
1:26:17 second is risk reduction. You know,
1:26:19 there's some things that individual
1:26:21 property owners can do, but a lot of
1:26:23 them again are city tasks, but sometimes
1:26:26 they're going to require additional
1:26:27 funding. And so that's why I would say
1:26:31 emergency response is really the bread
1:26:35 and butter, the thing that we need to do
1:26:37 as well as possible. And then finally,
1:26:40 community preparedness because community
1:26:43 members themselves can choose to do that
1:26:46 work. Um,
1:26:49 so when I'm looking at those three
1:26:52 categories for emergency response, I'd
1:26:55 like to get more information about our
1:26:57 plans for resilience hub expansion. Um,
1:27:00 I saw that being really important in the
1:27:03 bomb cyclone. Um, I know there have been
1:27:06 plans to do expansion into other
1:27:08 neighborhoods. I'd like to get a sense
1:27:10 of what the timeline is for that, what
1:27:13 actions we're taking, what needs we
1:27:15 might have in order to make that happen
1:27:18 faster because from my perspective,
1:27:20 that's a really important priority. Um,
1:27:22 I also agree with your idea that the
1:27:26 incident command center and uh the
1:27:28 emergency operation center, I probably
1:27:31 have some of those letters wrong. Um,
1:27:33 training plus afteraction follow-ups are
1:27:35 really important. I'd like to get a
1:27:37 sense if we have the budget and the
1:27:39 staff to support that. If not, I think
1:27:41 that is a really high priority for me to
1:27:45 understand how we can do that emergency
1:27:47 response better. Um because as you said,
1:27:51 you are one person and I know you have a
1:27:55 baby and you're going to get sick
1:27:59 and so having
1:28:01 a backup
1:28:03 in that case I feel is really important.
1:28:06 So the the cross trainining, the after
1:28:08 of action follow-ups and the sense of do
1:28:11 we have the staff um needed there is
1:28:13 important um for risk reduction, you
1:28:17 know, with the hazard mitigation plan.
1:28:19 We talked a little bit about this um as
1:28:22 far as could this be a separate part of
1:28:24 our CIP to bring awareness to the
1:28:26 investments needed and the
1:28:28 opportunities. But I'd also like to
1:28:31 think about our investments there in the
1:28:34 same way that we do the pavement
1:28:35 management and the concrete management
1:28:38 plan in that we have a sense of what are
1:28:42 the needs
1:28:44 >> and what investments do we need to do on
1:28:46 an annual basis
1:28:48 >> to maintain. So we not only have a sense
1:28:52 of what our entire needs are, but also
1:28:55 what's our target
1:28:57 >> for each of the years. And that helps us
1:29:00 then look at and go, oh, we had a really
1:29:03 rough year and we reduced some of our
1:29:06 spending in emergency management, so we
1:29:08 need to catch up there
1:29:10 >> rather than just seeing these as
1:29:12 necessarily individual projects. I think
1:29:15 this gives us a better sense of what are
1:29:18 the budgetary needs. Are we investing at
1:29:20 the correct level? Um,
1:29:23 and maybe are there different investment
1:29:26 needs within certain disaster
1:29:28 categories? Um, that would kind of give
1:29:31 us a higher level sense of to be fully
1:29:34 prepared for an earthquake.
1:29:37 >> Here's all of our needs. Here's what
1:29:40 we've done. to be prepared for flooding,
1:29:44 you know, and some of that is going to
1:29:46 be in the risk reduction section, some
1:29:49 of that is going to be in the emergency
1:29:51 response, etc., etc. Um,
1:29:55 and so toward that idea,
1:30:00 I think the focus on earthquakes and
1:30:02 wildfires is really important.
1:30:06 I will foot stomp here and say I don't
1:30:09 want to just see another plan for this.
1:30:12 I think the hazard mitigation plan gives
1:30:15 us some specific recommendations. And so
1:30:18 I'd really like to see action on some of
1:30:22 those so that we can say at the end of
1:30:25 that 3.8 years that look we've moved the
1:30:28 needle forward in these four areas and
1:30:31 this is why you're safer. Having a plan
1:30:36 doesn't necessarily do that. Um, now
1:30:39 it's probably going to be important in
1:30:42 the coordination of Isqua Police
1:30:44 Department and East Side Fire and Rescue
1:30:46 and our emergency operations center and
1:30:49 things like that. Um,
1:30:52 but gosh darn I want to say we have done
1:30:55 things and made a difference on specific
1:30:59 action. So that would be my focus. um in
1:31:03 that area. And then finally, I'd like to
1:31:06 see emergency management be a bigger
1:31:08 part of this committee's role. I think
1:31:10 this can be a really great way for us to
1:31:13 push this forward and make sure that it
1:31:15 is a focus. Um council member Nicker
1:31:18 Nichols when um talking about the hazard
1:31:20 mitigation plan recommended that we get
1:31:23 an annual report on hazard mitigation
1:31:26 metrics and progress. And so I think
1:31:28 that could be a great way to involve the
1:31:31 committee and make sure that we are just
1:31:34 continually beating the drum on how
1:31:36 important this is for resident safety,
1:31:39 for mitigation so that we're not seeing
1:31:42 expenses down the road, um, and for
1:31:45 really making sure that we have the risk
1:31:47 reduction there. So
1:31:50 feedback, any any thoughts, questions
1:31:55 on that or do you have what you need?
1:31:58 You know, I think that that sounds great
1:32:00 and I think that's a that's a great
1:32:01 vision honestly for of how we can, you
1:32:05 know, not just make an emergency
1:32:06 management um you know, like shelf and
1:32:09 just pull it down when we have an
1:32:10 emergency, right? But make it part of
1:32:11 the regular business that we do in the
1:32:13 city. And so I very much thank you for
1:32:16 that feedback and um definitely heard
1:32:19 and I personally feel like I got really
1:32:22 good direction um from the committee
1:32:24 tonight on on where to go with emergency
1:32:26 management. So thank you both.
1:32:28 >> Great. So I don't think there's any
1:32:30 action here. I guess I will um do a
1:32:33 little side eye to deputy council
1:32:35 president Martz in that this was
1:32:37 something that leadership council
1:32:39 leadership asked us to discuss here so
1:32:42 that it could then kind of filter
1:32:44 through and we could figure out maybe in
1:32:47 our planning and our agenda setting what
1:32:49 are some of the things that we should
1:32:50 focus on. So, I will hope that we can
1:32:53 get the feedback from council leadership
1:32:55 that all of this was useful and there is
1:32:58 an action that this is going to take in
1:33:00 the future once you guys have digested
1:33:02 it all.
1:33:04 >> I don't think there's anything here that
1:33:08 uh I I don't think there's anything here
1:33:10 that council leadership can go chew on
1:33:14 to go do a particular thing. I think
1:33:17 that we have made clear um that we the
1:33:22 annex makes sense and that we are
1:33:25 properly sensitized to wildfire and
1:33:28 earthquake issues. And I think that the
1:33:30 two of us have made super clear with
1:33:33 council member Nichols um concurrence
1:33:36 that we want to see progress on all
1:33:38 this. So respectfully, I don't think the
1:33:40 ball's in the council's court. I think
1:33:41 the ball is in the administration's
1:33:43 court with this feedback um to figure
1:33:45 out how and when um it wants to come
1:33:48 back to tea up um
1:33:51 you know uh whether there's going to be
1:33:53 an ask directly of council from general
1:33:56 fund or whether you want to say we want
1:33:58 to take six months and try to pursue
1:34:00 grants you know but I I see it as a
1:34:03 thing that for the administration to
1:34:04 come back based on the feedback we've
1:34:05 provided today. Yeah, maybe I'll just
1:34:08 ask that if you'll keep an eye on the
1:34:10 agenda as it gets set and just, you
1:34:13 know, think about emergency management
1:34:14 occasionally. Uh,
1:34:16 >> you know, I do.
1:34:17 >> I know you do. And I'm giving you, you
1:34:20 know, the
1:34:22 >> as the committee chair, I will, uh, I
1:34:24 will, uh, seek to, uh, to perform that
1:34:27 task as part of being a leader, part of
1:34:29 the leadership team.
1:34:30 >> Excellent. Um, Autumn, anything that you
1:34:34 need from us on this other than the
1:34:36 general feedback and sense of urgency?
1:34:40 >> No, the feedback tonight's been super
1:34:42 helpful. Thank you.
1:34:43 >> Okay. Excellent. Well, um, we are
1:34:46 supposed to also initiate public comment
1:34:49 um, in a sense of this, but there is no
1:34:52 one in the room and no one online.
1:34:55 >> No, we we have had a virtual caller for
1:34:57 a while. Yes. Okay, we have a virtual
1:35:00 caller. So, I will just note um that we
1:35:04 would welcome public comment. If you're
1:35:06 on the phone, press star three. If you
1:35:08 joined by computer or smartphone, look
1:35:10 for the hand icon or send a chat to the
1:35:15 host. And I will just wait a moment and
1:35:18 see if we have anybody who wants to make
1:35:20 comments
1:35:22 virtually online.
1:35:26 And are we seeing anything?
1:35:32 >> Not at this time, chair.
1:35:34 >> Okay. Well, we always take um comments
1:35:38 by email. So, you can always email city
1:35:40 council isawwa.gov.
1:35:43 And so, that is all of the pieces there.
1:35:48 Um, final piece of business,
1:35:50 announcements. Do my fellow committee
1:35:52 members have any announcements to make?
1:35:54 No. Okay. Our next committee meeting
1:35:56 date is April 28th uh 2026. Our March
1:36:01 17th meeting has been cancelled and a
1:36:02 planning, development, and environment
1:36:04 committee meeting will be held that
1:36:06 evening instead. And so there being no
1:36:09 further business, the meeting is
1:36:10 adjourned at 8:36 p.m.
1:36:13 Thank you.