City Council Committee of the Whole · Monday, September 30, 2024 · City Council Digest

3. AGENDA ITEMS

Public Safety Facilities Follow-Up: Leasing, Next Steps COM 0074

Director · 45 min · Autumn Monahan, Administrative Services · packet pp.5–21

Topics: Public Safety

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Staff report:

Administration recommends: • Finalizing lease negotiations with King County District Court to relocate Issaquah Municipal Court in early 2025. • Research and finalize relocation options (including leasing) for City Council Chambers for a move in 2025. • Proceed with consultant selection and contracting to support plan refinement, task force facilitation, and community outreach.

2025-26 Budget: Transmittal of Preliminary Budget COM 0075

10 min · Andrea Snyder, Deputy City Administrator · packet pp.23–27

Topics: Budget

▶ Watch from 55:36 Open packet at p.23 ↗

Staff report:

Pursuant to RCW 35.33.051 which requires cities to transmit a list of estimated expenditures and revenues for the next budget year, attached is the preliminary budget. The preliminary budget differs from the proposed budget, which the Administration anticipates transmitting to City Council by October 28, and includes a high level (by fund)

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0:07 ↗ okay welcome everyone I council

0:10 ↗ president Walsh call the September 30th

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0:30 ↗ and on

0:32 ↗ tonight's um

0:35 ↗ meeting we are going to start with

0:38 ↗ public

0:39 ↗ comment and so if you

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1:38 ↗ well as a reminder written comments

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1:43 ↗ emailing city council isqua

1:48 ↗ w.gov okay so looking at our agenda then

1:53 ↗ after public comment we've got two

1:55 ↗ agenda items Comm 0074 Public Safety

1:59 ↗ facility followup leasing in next steps

2:02 ↗ and then we'll have Comm 0075 the 2025

2:06 ↗ 2026 budget transmitt of preliminary

2:09 ↗ budget so we will start with the public

2:11 ↗ safety facilities follow-up presented by

2:13 ↗ otum Manan the administrative Services

2:26 ↗ director good evening Council again my

2:28 ↗ name is autum manahan I'm the

2:29 ↗ ministrative Services director for the

2:31 ↗ city and our department includes

2:33 ↗ facilities I also have two folks online

2:36 ↗ with me as well tonight our court

2:38 ↗ administrator Christy sha and our

2:40 ↗ administrative services manager Genie

2:43 ↗ justice so the purpose of tonight's

2:45 ↗ presentation is to provide information

2:47 ↗ regarding court and Council chamber

2:49 ↗ relocation provide proposed next steps

2:51 ↗ for Public Safety facilities work and

2:53 ↗ receive your

2:56 ↗ feedback direction that we're looking

2:58 ↗ for this evening is should admin

2:59 ↗ Administration proceed with lease

3:01 ↗ negotiations and relocation for the

3:03 ↗ isqua municipal court and for city

3:05 ↗ council chambers and should

3:07 ↗ Administration proceeded with a

3:08 ↗ consultant selection to support plan

3:10 ↗ refinement task force facilitation and

3:12 ↗ community

3:15 ↗ outreach so starting with Municipal

3:17 ↗ Court uh earlier this year

3:19 ↗ Administration proposed moving our first

3:22 ↗ puzzle piece in our very large puzzle of

3:25 ↗ moving isqua uh uh Municipal Court to

3:29 ↗ the King County district court office

3:30 ↗ which is across town uh amazingly they

3:33 ↗ have space and they are willing and

3:36 ↗ excited to lease uh that space to us um

3:39 ↗ this will help in um several ways one is

3:41 ↗ addressing our space function and best

3:43 ↗ practice issues that we've talked about

3:45 ↗ uh previously around operating a

3:47 ↗ municipal court in this building as well

3:49 ↗ as this building's

3:50 ↗ deficiencies uh it will greatly improve

3:53 ↗ customer service and operations by

3:54 ↗ collocating these two courts in one

3:57 ↗ building um first off the building was

3:59 ↗ built to be a court so that's great uh

4:01 ↗ secondly uh we do have customers that

4:03 ↗ come here looking for district court or

4:05 ↗ go across town and are looking for

4:06 ↗ municipal court so collocating them is

4:09 ↗ something that's exciting to both courts

4:10 ↗ that we would have um one

4:12 ↗ place uh this option also enhances

4:15 ↗ physical safety and accessibility they

4:17 ↗ have a full-time Security on site they

4:19 ↗ also have holding cells uh provides

4:22 ↗ secure meeting rooms for confidential

4:24 ↗ Council and provides flexibility for

4:26 ↗ service growth

4:32 ↗ so uh we are not able to proceed any

4:35 ↗ further with lease negotiations with

4:36 ↗ King County until we get uh some form of

4:39 ↗ commitment from the council uh the

4:41 ↗ county is starting to um spend money as

4:43 ↗ they're working toward developing a

4:45 ↗ proposed lease for us and are looking

4:46 ↗ for uh some form of commitment which is

4:48 ↗ why we're here tonight of whether we can

4:50 ↗ proceed with negotiations on a

4:52 ↗ lease uh you'll see here there's uh

4:55 ↗ one-time costs for tenant improvements

4:57 ↗ that includes Furniture um equipping the

4:59 ↗ new courtroom with our it equipment

5:02 ↗ signage uh and if we do move council

5:04 ↗ chambers you'll need a new dis so we've

5:07 ↗ uh estimated that at

5:10 ↗ $750,000 there's also um annual costs so

5:14 ↗ the proposed rent for the space at King

5:16 ↗ County District Court is $200,000 a year

5:19 ↗ that includes the security uh also uh

5:22 ↗ council chambers that is still TBD I

5:25 ↗ think there's you know a few options we

5:27 ↗ can pursue if you're interested in us

5:28 ↗ looking at that whether it's

5:30 ↗ uh looking at our own facilities for a

5:32 ↗ place for council chambers or partnering

5:34 ↗ perhaps with another agency in town um

5:37 ↗ so we have we are still researching that

5:39 ↗ and there's more to come internet

5:41 ↗ service would cost a bit of money for

5:44 ↗ two new locations and then we put on

5:46 ↗ here an estimate of how much uh it costs

5:48 ↗ to currently operate this building along

5:50 ↗ with the security cost for court at

5:54 ↗ $135,000 so in total uh you know we'd be

5:57 ↗ spending another

5:58 ↗ $95,000 per year year on court um pretty

6:02 ↗ similar as far as the costs except as of

6:05 ↗ course we've got the operational and

6:06 ↗ Security benefits of moving to King

6:08 ↗ County I also did want to mention um

6:12 ↗ when we first looked at perhaps building

6:14 ↗ a new court back in 2023 the estimated

6:17 ↗ cost for construction would be4 to $18

6:21 ↗ million if we proceed with this option

6:24 ↗ the building would essentially be

6:25 ↗ shuttered um for the time being the next

6:28 ↗ step is we'd have to move a lot of it

6:29 ↗ infrastructure out of this building and

6:31 ↗ then also demolish it at some point um

6:34 ↗ that could be the next phase of this

6:35 ↗ project and that could also be funded

6:36 ↗ with a potential Bond measure which

6:38 ↗ we'll talk about later in the

6:42 ↗ presentation so the cost of status quo

6:46 ↗ uh this building needs some immediate uh

6:49 ↗ near-term improvements uh we have a lot

6:52 ↗ of issues with moisture in this building

6:54 ↗ so it needs a new roof it needs a

6:56 ↗ complete envelope uh replacement for the

6:58 ↗ building it needs new HVAC new doors and

7:02 ↗ flooring uh it also has some Ada needs

7:04 ↗ that we should start making some

7:05 ↗ progress on if this is going to be a

7:07 ↗ public facility in the long term so

7:09 ↗ we've estimated those costs at about a

7:10 ↗ million

7:11 ↗ dollars uh and then again I put on here

7:13 ↗ the annual costs of

7:15 ↗ $135,000 again status quo means no

7:18 ↗ enhancements as far as the functional

7:19 ↗ needs that you've heard from court or

7:21 ↗ for us to ensure the provision of

7:25 ↗ Justice uh another quick item to mention

7:27 ↗ is that um during the first big rainfall

7:29 ↗ fall we had about a month ago we started

7:32 ↗ seeing some leaking outside of this room

7:34 ↗ here and so we are making some um

7:37 ↗ temporary improvements and uh just

7:40 ↗ really a Band-Aid for the situation it's

7:42 ↗ going to cost about

7:43 ↗ $55,000 those will continue as we are

7:45 ↗ kind of banding this building and kind

7:47 ↗ of limping along with it so um that's

7:49 ↗ what you've seen out here if you've seen

7:50 ↗ some work happening for this building

7:52 ↗ it's just for some uh Patchwork just to

7:54 ↗ ensure that we're not having some leaks

7:56 ↗ come through

8:02 ↗ so we have been discussing space

8:04 ↗ planning um with the council for um a

8:07 ↗ couple years now and uh we had a few

8:09 ↗ tours this summer an Administration came

8:12 ↗ uh to council with a proposal the

8:14 ↗ feedback we've summarized here so uh

8:16 ↗ police space and functional needs are

8:18 ↗ the highest priority most uh seem

8:20 ↗ supportive of relocating the court there

8:23 ↗ were some mixed thoughts on the best

8:24 ↗ location for a new fire station

8:26 ↗ 71 uh desire for a Clear Vision for City

8:29 ↗ Hall uh heard some support for an

8:32 ↗ Oldtown campus using our city-owned

8:34 ↗ property um there was some discussion

8:37 ↗ around Leasing and a preference that it

8:40 ↗ would be shortterm if any for City Hall

8:42 ↗ space uh an interest in expansion of a

8:44 ↗ potential bond package to include City

8:46 ↗ Hall Andor other facility needs a need

8:49 ↗ for input from a diverse task force on

8:52 ↗ plans and potential Bond packages as

8:54 ↗ well as broad Community engagement

8:56 ↗ support for improved maintenance of

8:58 ↗ existing facilities and addressing the

9:00 ↗ facility condition assessment

9:01 ↗ deficiencies and then more discussion

9:03 ↗ desired in overall facility

9:12 ↗ planning so uh jeie justice and I have

9:15 ↗ been meeting with a few uh Consultants

9:18 ↗ who have experience in facilitating task

9:22 ↗ force or uh you know agencies through uh

9:25 ↗ Bond

9:26 ↗ conversations as well as kind of that

9:28 ↗ next level of work that we need for the

9:30 ↗ police department so we've given you

9:32 ↗ very rough order of magnitude estimates

9:34 ↗ for what we think would be needed for

9:36 ↗ that building but it's time to now

9:38 ↗ actually dive into what that scope is um

9:40 ↗ and learn a bit more about best

9:42 ↗ practices um what's the latest and

9:44 ↗ greatest on safety for police um what

9:47 ↗ are those Trends and also accommodating

9:48 ↗ any future growth and so uh we're

9:51 ↗ looking for that next kind of diving a

9:53 ↗ bit more into the details so we have a

9:54 ↗ better idea of the cost of that and we

9:57 ↗ found a few Consultants who can do both

9:59 ↗ which would be preferred that we've got

10:00 ↗ one consultant team that can help us

10:02 ↗ with some of that engagement as well as

10:04 ↗ diving into really further scoping uh

10:06 ↗ the police department so we're proposing

10:09 ↗ to develop a task force that would be

10:10 ↗ appointed by the mayor estimating seven

10:12 ↗ members three alternates uh this group

10:15 ↗ would research and look at our work to

10:17 ↗ date on the city's facility needs they

10:19 ↗ would review other potential locations

10:21 ↗ for fire station 71 and City Hall

10:24 ↗ evaluate options for a potential bond

10:26 ↗ package and then provide feedback on a

10:28 ↗ community Eng engagement plan along with

10:30 ↗ a survey and then deliver a

10:31 ↗ recommendation back to the city

10:39 ↗ council so as a recap the timeline would

10:42 ↗ include us engaging with the consultant

10:44 ↗ now and recruiting for the task force uh

10:47 ↗ as well as negotiating and further

10:48 ↗ negotiating the uh lease terms with King

10:51 ↗ County for court then in the winter we

10:54 ↗ would refine those police renovation

10:56 ↗ that plan what it looks like hold the

10:58 ↗ task force meeting and relocate a court

11:01 ↗ and potentially council chambers

11:02 ↗ depending on what we find for space in

11:04 ↗ the spring we would have Broad and

11:06 ↗ Community engagement and a

11:07 ↗ recommendation to the council and uh if

11:09 ↗ we want to put something on the ballot

11:11 ↗ uh decision would have to be made for uh

11:15 ↗ November of 2025 it would have to be

11:17 ↗ made in the

11:21 ↗ summer with that I'm here to answer any

11:24 ↗ questions

11:30 ↗ is that

11:31 ↗ up okay fantastic we'll start with

11:34 ↗ council member hunt and then Deputy

11:35 ↗ council president thank you council

11:38 ↗ president um firstly on the Municipal

11:42 ↗ Court uh relocation you mentioned one of

11:45 ↗ the benefits being future service

11:47 ↗ flexibility could you explain a little

11:50 ↗ bit more about what you mean by

11:52 ↗ that uh we're pretty packed in this

11:55 ↗ current facility and so if we ever

11:56 ↗ wanted expand our court services to

11:58 ↗ other agencies there be more flexibility

12:00 ↗ in that facility versus this

12:03 ↗ one okay and then I'm wondering either

12:06 ↗ now if you have this or um if you could

12:09 ↗ provide this separately if you could

12:11 ↗ provide a breakdown of the

12:13 ↗ $750,000 cost for furniture um the cost

12:17 ↗ of doing the HVAC and the the um

12:21 ↗ near-term renovation to this building is

12:24 ↗ a million um and so it seems like I was

12:29 ↗ also interested when you said that

12:31 ↗ there's the dis or the facility

12:34 ↗ furniture for the court or for the

12:36 ↗ council chambers rather because that

12:38 ↗ isn't actually part of the plan to

12:41 ↗ relocate those Services there and $

12:44 ↗ 750,000 for furniture and signage sure

12:47 ↗ seems like a lot relative to how much it

12:49 ↗ would cost to renovate this building um

12:52 ↗ so I would really like uh a uh breakdown

12:55 ↗ of that it it

12:58 ↗ seems and I'm I'm also interested if

13:00 ↗ there's any way to cut down those costs

13:02 ↗ um I agree that the cost of the ongoing

13:06 ↗ Services is similar between the two

13:07 ↗ options but that does seem like a lot

13:09 ↗ especially for furniture and signage

13:11 ↗ sure um okay and then lastly I I did

13:16 ↗ have a question around the plan for um

13:19 ↗ the community survey part of the uh of

13:24 ↗ the community outreach we will form a

13:26 ↗ task force is there any consideration of

13:29 ↗ are have you done any planning as far as

13:31 ↗ where a community survey might fit into

13:34 ↗ that

13:36 ↗ timeline not yet I'd like to really

13:38 ↗ engage with our community task force to

13:40 ↗ think through that engagement plan I

13:42 ↗ would definitely want to get through

13:44 ↗ most of the meetings with the task force

13:45 ↗ so that they could help with crafting

13:47 ↗ some of those questions um but I think

13:50 ↗ that's something we'd work out with the

13:51 ↗ task force as far as the timing of

13:53 ↗ that okay thank you

13:56 ↗ MH Deputy council president Follow by

13:58 ↗ council member Hall

14:01 ↗ uh thanks so a couple of questions about

14:04 ↗ the task force um it says review other

14:07 ↗ potential locations is that other

14:09 ↗ potential locations that haven't been

14:12 ↗ presented to us already uh what does it

14:15 ↗ mean other potential location for the

14:17 ↗ fire station yeah and uh fire station

14:19 ↗ and City Hall it says yeah it's we we

14:23 ↗ have identified a few locations whether

14:25 ↗ it's this building whether it's the one

14:28 ↗ where it's currently located um there

14:30 ↗ have been a few others that have been

14:32 ↗ assessed you know like the um State Park

14:34 ↗ location so there's a few others there

14:36 ↗ there isn't a whole lot of new uh

14:39 ↗ locations but there are a few and so I

14:41 ↗ think what we heard from Council too was

14:43 ↗ um wanting a bit more due diligence and

14:46 ↗ and thought behind the location as far

14:49 ↗ as a recommendation of where to

14:51 ↗ go and then it says evaluate options for

14:54 ↗ a potential bond package but it sounds

14:56 ↗ like the task force is not actually

14:58 ↗ going to to make the bond package is

15:01 ↗ that right sounds like they're going to

15:03 ↗ sort of evaluate it and then so is it

15:06 ↗ the council that will fin put the bond

15:08 ↗ package together or who's going to put

15:09 ↗ the bond P package together the task

15:11 ↗ force would recommend a bond package so

15:13 ↗ they will recommend so it isn't okay so

15:16 ↗ evaluate options for a bond package yes

15:19 ↗ okay all right and

15:21 ↗ [Music]

15:23 ↗ um um so this is just a quibble but but

15:28 ↗ if it's appointed by the mayor wouldn't

15:29 ↗ the recommendation come back to the

15:31 ↗ mayor it just I mean I've always heard

15:33 ↗ that if it's a mayor appointed sure the

15:36 ↗ they report to the mayor if it's a Count

15:38 ↗ Council appointed that they report to

15:40 ↗ the council so just a quibble there on

15:43 ↗ how that recommendation ends up and then

15:45 ↗ I think the mayor would present it to us

15:46 ↗ as part of the package that of

15:49 ↗ information that finally comes to us so

15:51 ↗ sounds good okay so those are just uh my

15:54 ↗ thoughts there so um I don't have any

15:57 ↗ questions about moving the um Court over

16:00 ↗ to the courthouse at this point Thank

16:04 ↗ You council member

16:06 ↗ Hall thank you a couple questions one I

16:09 ↗ hadn't um thought of until just now to

16:10 ↗ ask before so if we were to move council

16:13 ↗ chambers that would inherently mean

16:15 ↗ moving ictv right so is would they

16:18 ↗ follow Council or would they follow

16:19 ↗ General government wherever we decide to

16:21 ↗ lease what's the plan there uh so we

16:24 ↗ would need they would follow Council as

16:26 ↗ far as some equipment that would have to

16:27 ↗ be on site for covering Council meetings

16:30 ↗ uh we also have a like a podcast Studio

16:33 ↗ or where we've also filmed and so that

16:35 ↗ could align better with City Hall okay

16:38 ↗ understood so a little of both little of

16:41 ↗ both okay that makes sense um and then

16:43 ↗ for clarity you know one of the benefits

16:46 ↗ that was reiterated to us frequently was

16:49 ↗ that this site is so close to the jail

16:51 ↗ and so there's a lot of efficiencies

16:53 ↗ there

16:55 ↗ the but that's the there's the same

16:57 ↗ benefit of having the hold cell at King

16:59 ↗ County District Court is that right did

17:00 ↗ I hear that right on our tour think of

17:03 ↗ that the same way yes exactly there's

17:05 ↗ not as much urgency because we have a

17:06 ↗ holding cell for uh for police to arrive

17:09 ↗ right away for

17:12 ↗ transport uh okay thank you and then U

17:14 ↗ my last question was um kind of around

17:17 ↗ timing for investments in this

17:20 ↗ property along the lines of what I

17:22 ↗ emailed you earlier today and thank you

17:23 ↗ for the response I was wondering if you

17:25 ↗ can kind of walk us through that a

17:27 ↗ little bit I guess I'm

17:29 ↗ is the

17:32 ↗ um I had asked what happens

17:35 ↗ if I'm seeing some nods maybe you read

17:37 ↗ the email so I guess the question for

17:39 ↗ you then is is the skinny of that really

17:41 ↗ just

17:43 ↗ if we decide to use this space in any

17:45 ↗ way let's say council chambers keeps

17:47 ↗ using it there could be un unexpected

17:50 ↗ repairs in addition to

17:53 ↗ whatever million dollar whatever large

17:56 ↗ amount of Investments we need to make in

17:57 ↗ the property is that right or is it that

17:59 ↗ for delaying that there could be un

18:01 ↗ unexpected repairs yes if we were to

18:04 ↗ delay and just keep council chambers

18:05 ↗ here we'd probably could Band-Aid it for

18:08 ↗ a bit we don't know how long until the

18:10 ↗ HVAC may break or we may have

18:13 ↗ further uh damage due to due to the roof

18:16 ↗ or due to water damage and so it's it's

18:18 ↗ just kind of it's um it's a bit of a

18:23 ↗ risk but but we you know we could

18:25 ↗ bandaid it for a while what about the

18:26 ↗ Ada improvements is there a timeline to

18:29 ↗ Implement that or is that something be

18:31 ↗ delayed I mean what are the what are the

18:33 ↗ regulations around that from my

18:35 ↗ understanding I I believe it can be

18:37 ↗ delayed it's just we we have a really

18:39 ↗ long Ada plan right and I know the

18:42 ↗ priorities are facilities that are open

18:44 ↗ to the community for accessibility and

18:46 ↗ so it was important to us to include

18:48 ↗ that if this was going to be a long-term

18:50 ↗ facility that the community needed to

18:52 ↗ access whether for court or for council

18:53 ↗ chambers those upgrades need to be made

18:56 ↗ all right makes sense thank you

19:00 ↗ um council member

19:03 ↗ Mars couple couple of questions um how

19:06 ↗ are we going to constitute the community

19:08 ↗ task

19:10 ↗ force what do you mean as far as select

19:13 ↗ the members there going to be seven

19:15 ↗ people with three alternates how are we

19:17 ↗ going to figure out I mean I think about

19:20 ↗ um all the constituencies in the city

19:23 ↗ sure and I've been lucky enough to be

19:25 ↗ involved in task forces on the school

19:27 ↗ district side

19:29 ↗ and they represent every Elementary

19:31 ↗ School and every middle school and every

19:33 ↗ high school and the sports people and so

19:36 ↗ on and so forth I mean just to think off

19:38 ↗ the top of my head Mobility Advocates

19:40 ↗ Transit Advocates Equity Advocates and

19:44 ↗ you could probably come up with

19:46 ↗ 15 um constituencies in the city um that

19:50 ↗ would have a potential interest in uh in

19:54 ↗ this task force work so uh how are we

19:58 ↗ going to how going to figure out 7 plus

20:01 ↗ 3 I would love your feedback that we can

20:04 ↗ um also share with the mayor as far as

20:06 ↗ what you'd like to see as far as

20:08 ↗ representation um and any feedback too

20:11 ↗ on the size this was this was just a um

20:14 ↗ taking from some of Dale's work recently

20:16 ↗ with the Strategic plan task force um

20:18 ↗ ensuring that it doesn't get too big

20:20 ↗ right but that you also have enough

20:21 ↗ voices and and perspectives in the room

20:24 ↗ so sure I I will tell you that the

20:27 ↗ reason that the school district has a

20:31 ↗ sterling reputation in getting bonds

20:33 ↗ passed is they have something for

20:36 ↗ everyone and the reason that they have

20:38 ↗ something for everyone is they bring

20:40 ↗ everyone to the table and and they don't

20:43 ↗ leave until everyone at the table it

20:45 ↗ says okay yeah I got something here

20:47 ↗ right so uh you know previous Capital

20:53 ↗ efforts that we have put forward there

20:55 ↗ have been concerns about whether those

20:58 ↗ uh the projects that we put forward were

21:01 ↗ reflective of the community interest so

21:03 ↗ you know my general advice would be to

21:05 ↗ air on the side of larger more than

21:07 ↗ smaller I know that too many cooks spoil

21:10 ↗ the broth but I I really do feel like

21:13 ↗ the district um my experience with the

21:15 ↗ district

21:17 ↗ having I I hate to say everything but

21:19 ↗ the kitchen you know everything in the

21:20 ↗ kitchen sink but really more is more in

21:24 ↗ in that situation the other question I

21:26 ↗ had for you is why fall 2025 your your

21:29 ↗ model presupposes that if there's going

21:31 ↗ to be a bond it would be fall of 2025 do

21:34 ↗ we particularly like the November

21:35 ↗ election of 20125 because it's the it's

21:38 ↗ the municipal election right we have we

21:39 ↗ have municipal election we have federal

21:41 ↗ and state elections a year off of that

21:44 ↗ and then we could run on a different

21:46 ↗ date that is neither of those right and

21:48 ↗ those all have strengths and weaknesses

21:50 ↗ associated with them so have we looked

21:52 ↗ at fall of 2025 and we like fall of 2025

21:55 ↗ for some reason so I selected that date

21:57 ↗ for this dra timeline just the way get

21:59 ↗ the work going with some flexibility

22:02 ↗ that it could be you could pick a

22:04 ↗ different date that would be in

22:06 ↗ 2026 but I that's probably the soonest

22:08 ↗ that we can do this work engage a task

22:10 ↗ force in the community better Define the

22:12 ↗ scope and and be ready I I would look

22:15 ↗ carefully at at the history of bonds and

22:19 ↗ levies both at Municipal elections and

22:23 ↗ at the federal state elections and in

22:25 ↗ off cycle and see uh

22:29 ↗ what that looks like in terms of voter

22:31 ↗ turnout and whether you get as broad of

22:33 ↗ a cross-section um in each of those as

22:35 ↗ as others I I think you will find

22:37 ↗ differences between them

22:41 ↗ thanks council member Ray one real

22:43 ↗ simple question can you talk a little

22:45 ↗ bit more about the relocation of council

22:47 ↗ chambers because that one kind of threw

22:49 ↗ me a little bit and I'm kind quite sure

22:51 ↗ what what we're thinking or where we're

22:53 ↗ thinking of going or what the drivers

22:54 ↗ are y y y sure so our goal is if we're

22:58 ↗ success moving court and if we are able

23:00 ↗ to reduce the other uses of this

23:01 ↗ building we can shutter it and not spend

23:03 ↗ more money on this building uh the key

23:06 ↗ is finding an adequate spot for council

23:08 ↗ chambers and so you know one option

23:10 ↗ could be that we renovate Tibbits and

23:12 ↗ make that a council chambers uh another

23:15 ↗ is looking to maybe other agencies or

23:17 ↗ places that may have something similar

23:18 ↗ to this setup to see if there's

23:20 ↗ flexibility um in in finding space so

23:24 ↗ for example uh the school district has

23:26 ↗ its old boardroom that's now at a uh

23:29 ↗ preschool that's not used in the evening

23:31 ↗ so is that an option so we're we're

23:33 ↗ looking at all options right now I don't

23:36 ↗ have a recommendation yet of which one

23:37 ↗ is the best uh but we can continue that

23:39 ↗ work if if council is interested great

23:42 ↗ um I I think it's worth exploring but so

23:45 ↗ it is uh dis integrated from the move of

23:50 ↗ the Court those are two separate and

23:53 ↗ discret decisions two puzzle pieces yes

23:56 ↗ two discret decisions

24:02 ↗ council member Joe thank you Autumn

24:05 ↗ thanks for the presentation tonight I

24:07 ↗ know you're playing Tetris with giant

24:09 ↗ pieces um and giant dollars U the

24:13 ↗ question I had also concern the council

24:15 ↗ chambers and whether or not um what are

24:18 ↗ the minimum requirements that we would

24:20 ↗ need do we actually have to have cable

24:23 ↗ TV and cameras there or are we able to

24:26 ↗ just record the meeting and post it

24:29 ↗ later if so can we take a look at a

24:31 ↗ skinny down version so to speak of

24:34 ↗ council chambers where uh cameras and

24:37 ↗ the cable TV are not necessarily all

24:39 ↗ traveling with us as one big Caravan

24:41 ↗ just a question we can look into that

24:43 ↗ further if we do move council chambers

24:46 ↗ these cameras come with us and a lot of

24:47 ↗ the equipment would come with us so Tim

24:49 ↗ has started some of that work with it to

24:51 ↗ figure out what that would look like and

24:53 ↗ and what those costs are too

24:55 ↗ so so if we move to tiot for

24:58 ↗ example um would we have to have the

25:02 ↗ cameras there with us or could we do a

25:04 ↗ skinny down version so that we're not

25:07 ↗ having to move all that equipment um you

25:10 ↗ know with us as part of the

25:12 ↗ move it would be better production value

25:14 ↗ if we had the cameras that's maybe my

25:16 ↗ communications bias I understand

25:19 ↗ production value I know that we all like

25:21 ↗ being on TV but I think our citizens

25:24 ↗ also understand we're trying to make

25:26 ↗ this as costeffective as possible

25:28 ↗ possible too so I'll just if you could

25:30 ↗ just explore whether or not what the

25:32 ↗ minimums are for a meeting so we can

25:34 ↗ evaluate that as part of the process I

25:35 ↗ think is the underlying question what's

25:37 ↗ important to me too is is audio and a

25:40 ↗ lot of times being having a good camera

25:41 ↗ angle on people as they're speaking is

25:43 ↗ helpful too so I would just I would

25:47 ↗ caution toward not having cameras for a

25:50 ↗ council meeting and for that production

25:51 ↗ value just for the clarity for our TV

25:54 ↗ channel you know for we do we do get a

25:56 ↗ lot of views still on YouTube for

25:58 ↗ Council meetings and so having that that

26:00 ↗ production value I think is important

26:02 ↗ yeah um as part of my work I listen to a

26:05 ↗ lot of Council meetings and see some of

26:07 ↗ them too and I do agree that the ones

26:09 ↗ where there is only audio and no video

26:13 ↗ it's a little bit difficult to follow

26:15 ↗ but I've gotten really good at

26:16 ↗ understanding or hearing the Cadence and

26:19 ↗ the particular way that different

26:22 ↗ council members speak and so I can know

26:25 ↗ who's talking and you know it's just

26:28 ↗ something that's acquired over time but

26:31 ↗ so I'm just saying that the cameras may

26:32 ↗ not be a necessity along the way and

26:34 ↗ just ask you look in the into the um

26:37 ↗ skinny down version thank you City

26:39 ↗ administrator uh yes thank you good

26:41 ↗ evening um from the administration

26:43 ↗ standpoint the cameras are really

26:44 ↗ important we already have lovely cameras

26:47 ↗ here um what we are doing here is a

26:49 ↗ television show and so we really want to

26:52 ↗ make sure that we are as accessible as

26:55 ↗ possible because as I think we all know

26:57 ↗ we don't see a lot of folks come visit

26:58 ↗ but we do see people we see the numbers

27:00 ↗ on YouTube uh people are watching the

27:03 ↗ meetings and so we want to make sure

27:04 ↗ that wherever we go we have that ability

27:07 ↗ we can take all these lovely cameras

27:09 ↗ with us so there's no additional cost in

27:12 ↗ investment in in infrastructure

27:13 ↗ obviously the cost of moving and whatnot

27:16 ↗ uh but from the administration

27:17 ↗ standpoint we would not ever want to

27:18 ↗ just go to audio we think that this is a

27:20 ↗ much too engaged Community we have great

27:22 ↗ presentations I think what we've been

27:24 ↗ able to do Post pandemic uh to combine

27:27 ↗ both the video speaker and the

27:29 ↗ Powerpoints I think has been great um so

27:31 ↗ while I appreciate council member Joe's

27:33 ↗ concern about cost and skining down from

27:36 ↗ the administration standpoint uh we want

27:38 ↗ to continue to produce

27:40 ↗ a public public meeting that our

27:42 ↗ residents can can watch and enjoy and

27:44 ↗ hopefully get something out because

27:46 ↗ they're certainly not coming and joining

27:48 ↗ us in person on Monday evenings very

27:52 ↗ often if you could just look into the

27:54 ↗ question give us some numbers i' would

27:56 ↗ appreciate it thank you

27:59 ↗ any other

28:01 ↗ questions no okay let me go down my list

28:07 ↗ um I'm wondering if we have any other

28:09 ↗ information about how other communities

28:12 ↗ handled their timelines to me it seems

28:15 ↗ like a decision by Council in summer

28:20 ↗ 2025 to have a ballot measure in

28:24 ↗ November of 2025 seems rather late

28:28 ↗ um and so I'm wondering if as we go

28:31 ↗ through this process we can get that

28:34 ↗ information um to better understand

28:38 ↗ that

28:40 ↗ um

28:42 ↗ see and then uh what is the timeline for

28:45 ↗ the ipd cost estimates would that be

28:49 ↗ available for the task force to review

28:51 ↗ or do you think it would be coming

28:55 ↗ after gosh I think we'll have to engage

28:58 ↗ with a consultant to see what that would

28:59 ↗ be as far as a timeline it' be great if

29:01 ↗ we could have that in time for the task

29:02 ↗ force to review um but definitely in

29:05 ↗ time for us going out uh for a bond

29:09 ↗ measure

29:10 ↗ okay

29:12 ↗ okay um those were my questions so

29:16 ↗ looking at it uh opening up to public

29:19 ↗ comment again again no one in the room

29:21 ↗ but if you're online you can hit star

29:24 ↗ three on the phone or raise your hand or

29:27 ↗ send the host a chat message so we'll

29:29 ↗ see if anybody online has an interest in

29:33 ↗ making comment on the public safety

29:35 ↗ facilities follow-up item lur do we have

29:38 ↗ anybody indicating a desire to

29:40 ↗ speak not at this time council president

29:43 ↗ okay thank you very much okay Council

29:46 ↗ Direction time who wants to start us

29:49 ↗ off council member Ray you got there

29:52 ↗ first thank you I always like to go

29:53 ↗ first and then uh know Blaze the trail

29:57 ↗ um so two questions should the

29:58 ↗ administration proceed with the lease

30:00 ↗ negotiations uh and relocate municipal

30:02 ↗ court and city council chambers uh I'm

30:05 ↗ kind of a split decision on this one I

30:06 ↗ think that the argument for relocating

30:10 ↗ Municipal Port is pretty compelling and

30:12 ↗ the costs are pretty reasonable and I

30:15 ↗ think it open up opens up some

30:17 ↗ interesting new probabilities in terms

30:19 ↗ of new services so I personally am

30:21 ↗ supportive of that in terms of

30:23 ↗ relocating council chambers I understand

30:25 ↗ the desire to move council chambers if

30:28 ↗ we are the would be the sole tenant of

30:30 ↗ this building but I'd like to see a

30:32 ↗ little lot more information about um

30:36 ↗ where it would be what it would be how

30:38 ↗ it would look um you know this is

30:40 ↗ probably one of those uh questions

30:42 ↗ actually probably resonates at a very

30:44 ↗ personal level with all of us because

30:46 ↗ this is where we do our business so that

30:49 ↗ um that's kind of my my first thought um

30:51 ↗ and then I'm proceeding with the

30:53 ↗ consultant selection uh support plan

30:55 ↗ refinement task force facilitation and

30:58 ↗ community outreach um to me it seems

31:01 ↗ like we you know this is the chicken and

31:04 ↗ egg from my perspective it don't feel

31:06 ↗ like we've got a uh a solid grasp of

31:08 ↗ where we're going with the task force

31:11 ↗ and um the bond plan if there is one in

31:14 ↗ community outreach so I don't know if

31:17 ↗ it's too soon to engage with a

31:19 ↗ consultant or maybe if what you're

31:21 ↗ saying is we need the consultant so we

31:23 ↗ can um put some specificity around our

31:26 ↗ plan in that case I I think that you

31:28 ↗ should probably do that and get moving

31:31 ↗ on putting together the structure here

31:34 ↗ and I think that based on some of the

31:35 ↗ comments I heard from my colleagues

31:37 ↗ earlier you know kind of in terms of the

31:39 ↗ task force we probably should think long

31:41 ↗ and hard about how we want to

31:43 ↗ structure thank you

31:47 ↗ that's else jumping up council member

31:49 ↗ Joe thank you appreciate the hard work

31:52 ↗ that's been done on the relocation of

31:54 ↗ the esqu municipal court I think moving

31:56 ↗ them to the district court it's a great

31:59 ↗ idea um the uh facility is great it has

32:05 ↗ fantastic jury rooms and facilities for

32:08 ↗ all the things that need to be done

32:10 ↗ there um city council chambers I believe

32:13 ↗ we should um go ahead and um relocate

32:16 ↗ the council chambers and my thought

32:19 ↗ there is that that we need to you know

32:22 ↗ fish or cut bait basically and um with

32:26 ↗ the council chambers vacated and us in a

32:31 ↗ other location we can then decide how we

32:34 ↗ want to put the rest of the pieces

32:35 ↗ together keeping one foot in the boat

32:38 ↗ and one foot on the dock uh only leads

32:41 ↗ to us falling into the water uh if we're

32:43 ↗ not careful so my thought is that let's

32:46 ↗ let's go ahead and take the definitive

32:48 ↗ Act of going going ahead and moving the

32:51 ↗ council chambers and our meetings uh so

32:53 ↗ this building can be properly taken care

32:56 ↗ of and we can um give the consultant a

32:59 ↗ clean bill to look at or a clean slate

33:02 ↗ to look at and not have Council wavering

33:05 ↗ back and forth so thank

33:07 ↗ you thank you council member Joe for

33:10 ↗ those uh comments and swimming Upstream

33:13 ↗ really appreciate it uh we'll go with

33:15 ↗ council member marz yeah I love the the

33:18 ↗ doc analogy of course uh speaks to my

33:20 ↗ heart um proceeding with lease

33:23 ↗ negotiations and relocation of Isa

33:25 ↗ municipal court and city council

33:26 ↗ chambers um no um I've said before I

33:30 ↗ don't believe we should start moving the

33:31 ↗ chess pieces around until we have a more

33:34 ↗ comprehensive plan about what we're

33:36 ↗ going to do um I hate the idea of

33:38 ↗ leasing anything from anybody when we

33:40 ↗ have tons of real estate that we own in

33:42 ↗ the city um I I you know I have I have

33:46 ↗ for 13 of the last 15 years been talking

33:49 ↗ about how to get rid of tibits Valley

33:51 ↗ Manor but if by using tibits Valley

33:53 ↗ Manor we could uh not lease uh Council

33:56 ↗ chamber space some place else you know

33:59 ↗ uh our old our old Parks director an

34:03 ↗ what was Miguel would be so would be so

34:06 ↗ amused that I would be arguing in favor

34:08 ↗ of tibits Valley Manor at all but that

34:10 ↗ would be a better use than us giving

34:13 ↗ money to somebody else when we're when

34:15 ↗ we are real estate Rich so um I am a big

34:19 ↗ ba humbug on um item number one however

34:22 ↗ I am 100% in support of getting going

34:25 ↗ with a consultant on uh all the big uh

34:28 ↗ questions in front of us um that I think

34:31 ↗ that should include size of a task force

34:33 ↗ constitution of a task force all those

34:34 ↗ kinds of things uh when you want to run

34:36 ↗ a bond all that all that kind of stuff

34:38 ↗ so I am uh we should we should do that

34:40 ↗ tomorrow and

34:42 ↗ I'm so no and yes thank

34:46 ↗ you uh Deputy council president D

34:48 ↗ Michelle uh thank you uh I support the

34:52 ↗ idea of going ahead with lease

34:54 ↗ negotiations and relocation of the isaaa

34:57 ↗ municipal Court uh over to the district

35:00 ↗ court um I just think that's a great

35:01 ↗ facility and that's going to be a great

35:03 ↗ boost to our court um I am in agreement

35:08 ↗ with council member Ray uh that I need a

35:10 ↗ lot more information about what we are

35:13 ↗ going to do about city council

35:15 ↗ chambers I do love the idea of going

35:17 ↗ over to the school district they have a

35:20 ↗ very nice room there and I think it's

35:22 ↗ all set up for it and everything uh and

35:25 ↗ maybe with the maybe we do a partnership

35:29 ↗ instead of a lease so just a thought so

35:33 ↗ um but I I need more information about

35:36 ↗ that before you know I support us uh

35:39 ↗ figuring out where we're going to go in

35:41 ↗ terms of the consultant I think we

35:43 ↗ should get going with the consultant

35:44 ↗ let's get going on this and uh I think a

35:47 ↗ consultant will help us refine the plan

35:49 ↗ a lot more and tell us where we need to

35:52 ↗ go um uh I agree with council member

35:56 ↗ Marts that that seven people is not

35:59 ↗ nearly enough to be representative of

36:01 ↗ our community and uh if we double that

36:05 ↗ number we don't need alternates I I

36:08 ↗ don't understand why we would have

36:09 ↗ alternates on that kind of a task force

36:11 ↗ everybody gets a vote and um I don't I

36:15 ↗ don't think we need that so uh I also

36:17 ↗ think the idea of

36:21 ↗ identifying maybe a matrix of some kind

36:24 ↗ uh what interest groups or neighborhoods

36:27 ↗ or how we want to do it but identifying

36:30 ↗ what interest groups and neighborhoods

36:33 ↗ we want to include on that task force uh

36:35 ↗ so that we really represent the

36:37 ↗ diversity of our community um and that

36:40 ↗ could be many different could be done

36:42 ↗ many different ways so but I do think we

36:46 ↗ should be thoughtful about that how that

36:48 ↗ is put together and not just you know

36:52 ↗ call uh people from our current boards

36:55 ↗ and commissions but really look at how

36:57 ↗ can we

36:58 ↗ um get some Grassroots uh representation

37:01 ↗ going so um yeah let's get going on it

37:06 ↗ thank

37:09 ↗ you okay anybody else uh council member

37:13 ↗ Hall um I feel largely the exact same

37:16 ↗ way as um council member Rey I thought

37:18 ↗ you put it really nicely um I agree that

37:20 ↗ the operational benefits of moving Court

37:23 ↗ are very compelling um but also don't

37:25 ↗ feel necessarily yet the same way about

37:28 ↗ um council chambers although I take to

37:30 ↗ heart that um having any use in this

37:33 ↗ building means there could be unintended

37:36 ↗ consequences and at some point we really

37:38 ↗ do need to put in the actual investment

37:41 ↗ that's needed uh in order for this to be

37:43 ↗ a usable um space but I'm really mixed

37:46 ↗ largely because of um there's

37:48 ↗ consistency for Community who do come

37:50 ↗ and engage with the council

37:54 ↗ um um but I'm happy to have staff be

37:57 ↗ looking into options I agree with what's

37:59 ↗ been said in terms of needs more

38:00 ↗ information about what's out there tibit

38:02 ↗ sounds very interesting to me just

38:03 ↗ because I mean not really but it it's

38:06 ↗ interesting because we avoid lease

38:09 ↗ cost with that um also I don't know I'm

38:13 ↗ of I'm the of the kind of council member

38:15 ↗ I don't think we need a dis I really

38:17 ↗ like how North Bend has it how the East

38:19 ↗ Side Fire oh the East Side Fire and

38:20 ↗ Rescue boardroom that could potentially

38:22 ↗ be space um um how they how you just

38:25 ↗ kind of wheel out tables and everyone's

38:27 ↗ on equal footing and stuff like that and

38:28 ↗ I think that works out nicely and then

38:30 ↗ you don't have to make an investment in

38:31 ↗ something that seems Grand like this um

38:34 ↗ I also think it's fine to proceed with

38:36 ↗ consultant to start getting some

38:37 ↗ specificity around um our numbers um and

38:42 ↗ um I support the idea of a task force um

38:45 ↗ considering all of the locations

38:49 ↗ um um not just the ones that we really

38:52 ↗ Nar narrowed in on here um and then also

38:56 ↗ the timing of it I thought that was a

38:57 ↗ really good point council member Mars

38:58 ↗ around timing on the ballot too because

39:00 ↗ we may learn things in this budget cycle

39:03 ↗ as the financial landscape starts to

39:04 ↗ clear up we may learn things from our

39:06 ↗ partner agencies um when they study

39:09 ↗ their long-term financing needs as well

39:12 ↗ that the timing needs to be adjusted and

39:15 ↗ so I think just kind of being open um

39:18 ↗ about when we when we would go to the

39:20 ↗ ballot on something like this is is

39:22 ↗ important um and then the last thing I

39:26 ↗ wanted to say was I wonder if it might

39:28 ↗ be possible to have a community survey

39:31 ↗ before um the task force to be able to

39:33 ↗ have some information on um kind of fire

39:37 ↗ and police needs um through the lens of

39:40 ↗ kind of community members in a survey to

39:42 ↗ give to the task force as as helpful

39:44 ↗ information and also helpful information

39:46 ↗ to us because I would rather know

39:49 ↗ earlier that the community is not

39:50 ↗ interested whatsoever in a bond then

39:52 ↗ later spending all the money and and

39:54 ↗ Manpower on it right so I'm wondering if

39:56 ↗ that might be POS as well and those are

39:58 ↗ my

40:00 ↗ comments council member

40:02 ↗ hunt thank you on the first question

40:06 ↗ about the uh Municipal Court firstly I

40:09 ↗ would really like more information about

40:11 ↗ that

40:12 ↗ $750,000 uh one of the benefits of

40:16 ↗ moving to a space that is already a

40:17 ↗ court I would I would assume is that a

40:19 ↗ lot of the furniture and a lot of the

40:21 ↗ setup is there and is built to that

40:23 ↗ purpose um and then also I was confused

40:27 ↗ by the mention of the council chamber uh

40:30 ↗ you know the dis or other furniture that

40:32 ↗ would be associated with that move

40:33 ↗ because we at least are thinking about

40:35 ↗ those separately and they could be taken

40:38 ↗ separately um so how much of that is is

40:42 ↗ uh associated with council chambers also

40:45 ↗ how much of a separate and currently

40:48 ↗ unaccounted for cost is there of moving

40:51 ↗ the cameras and um ictv to to a

40:54 ↗ different location if we were to move

40:56 ↗ for example to to tibet's manner as has

40:59 ↗ been uh floated so I would really um

41:02 ↗ want to see those costs broken out

41:05 ↗ similarly with signage it is a municipal

41:07 ↗ court and so presumably the signage is

41:08 ↗ directing people to a to a court and so

41:11 ↗ you know how much of that is on the city

41:12 ↗ to to make those changes uh again I

41:15 ↗ think my assumption would be that since

41:18 ↗ it's already a court we would be able to

41:20 ↗ have a savings there and right now

41:21 ↗ there's not enough of a difference

41:23 ↗ between completely renovating this

41:26 ↗ building to continue having it be

41:28 ↗ suitable for a court at a million dollar

41:31 ↗ um to that 750 one time investment in

41:34 ↗ that build um and then on the city

41:37 ↗ council chambers uh firstly I do think

41:40 ↗ it's very important on to have video

41:44 ↗ um I recall during when we first um had

41:48 ↗ to do remote meetings um during the

41:50 ↗ covid pandemic it was so hard to track

41:53 ↗ who was saying um who was saying what

41:56 ↗ and I think that now at this point our

41:59 ↗ community is really uh is really used to

42:02 ↗ and it's really important that we

42:04 ↗ maintain that that level of service for

42:06 ↗ our meetings where people can see who's

42:08 ↗ who's speaking and can see the

42:09 ↗ presentations and can see the same

42:11 ↗ information that we are presented with

42:13 ↗ so would strongly advocate for

42:14 ↗ continuing to have that visual component

42:16 ↗ to our to our meetings um I think that

42:22 ↗ cost is going to be really important

42:24 ↗ because we are juggling a lot of

42:26 ↗ different costs and so again having the

42:28 ↗ cost breakdown of what does it cost to

42:30 ↗ move the the equipment versus keeping it

42:34 ↗ here um while we're making a decision on

42:37 ↗ what we're going out to a bond that

42:39 ↗ would be an important piece for me in in

42:41 ↗ weighing

42:43 ↗ those um on the second

42:46 ↗ question I completely agree with uh

42:49 ↗ council member Hall on this

42:51 ↗ survey I think safety is super important

42:54 ↗ to our community um it's absolutely

42:56 ↗ something that does come up in

42:57 ↗ conversations when I'm talking with

42:59 ↗ community members uh at the same time um

43:03 ↗ council member Ry and I were just at the

43:05 ↗ farmers market and you know also in

43:08 ↗ conversations people are really highly

43:10 ↗ ranking concerns around affordability

43:12 ↗ right now people are are really deeply

43:14 ↗ concerned about the costs of housing

43:17 ↗ about the cost of living and I in in

43:21 ↗ trying to think through how a task force

43:24 ↗ would think about this I was kind of

43:26 ↗ struggling to think you know how does

43:29 ↗ how do how does the community have how

43:31 ↗ much of an appetite do they have for an

43:32 ↗ additional Bond um versus thinking you

43:36 ↗ know now we do there's a more of a

43:39 ↗ visual presence of police in our

43:40 ↗ communities we we have made a lot of

43:42 ↗ progress on that which is Big credit to

43:44 ↗ our Police Department so how are they R

43:46 ↗ ranking these different priorities and

43:49 ↗ how much of an appetite is there for a

43:51 ↗ public safety bonds given the

43:53 ↗ affordability concerns that we have

43:54 ↗ right now so when I was trying to think

43:57 ↗ about that from my perspective and

43:59 ↗ having you know also heard all of this

44:01 ↗ information and presentations it really

44:03 ↗ seemed to me like a community group

44:05 ↗ that's coming together to weigh all

44:06 ↗ these options they would really benefit

44:08 ↗ from a statistically valid survey

44:11 ↗ showing this is this is where people are

44:14 ↗ in terms of how they're thinking about

44:16 ↗ cost of living versus Public Safety

44:18 ↗ versus you know facilities Improvement

44:21 ↗ and service

44:23 ↗ improvements um so I would I would

44:24 ↗ definitely advocate for that I'm also

44:26 ↗ very intrigued by my colleagues thoughts

44:28 ↗ on expanding the uh task force I'm I'm

44:32 ↗ for a task force I think it's important

44:35 ↗ I think they need to be given a lot of

44:36 ↗ options um to weigh and I like the idea

44:40 ↗ of having more perspectives I was on the

44:43 ↗ uh strategic plan task force um just the

44:47 ↗ the update task force and for that one

44:50 ↗ we had council members as well as um

44:53 ↗ community members and I think from my

44:56 ↗ perspective

44:57 ↗ that was a

44:59 ↗ good um that was important because

45:03 ↗ sometimes we had experienced different

45:06 ↗ conversations or we had a different

45:07 ↗ perspective that we could share uh you

45:11 ↗ should I would advocate for asking the

45:14 ↗ other task force members if they if they

45:16 ↗ also felt that that was useful but I do

45:18 ↗ think that tends to be useful also

45:20 ↗ because then that goes back to council

45:22 ↗ ultimately and so Council will have seen

45:25 ↗ the process um which could help with the

45:29 ↗ end result um so I think those are my

45:32 ↗ main comments the big one on that last

45:34 ↗ one is I really think we should do a

45:35 ↗ survey to help the task force have a

45:39 ↗ context for making the decision first

45:41 ↗ rather than at the

45:44 ↗ end okay I will put in just my two cents

45:49 ↗ on a lot of this a lot of things already

45:51 ↗ heard um for the first question you know

45:55 ↗ I hear what council member Mart says

45:58 ↗ about not supporting leasing um

46:01 ↗ generally I am not in favor of us

46:04 ↗ leasing um as a city I I think it's

46:07 ↗ financially irresponsible but the cost

46:10 ↗ benefit of this having a facility that

46:13 ↗ is already built out where the costs are

46:16 ↗ very little in addition to what it would

46:18 ↗ cost to run this building let alone

46:21 ↗ bring it up to spec um is quite enough

46:25 ↗ to uh way me to support that move so I

46:29 ↗ support the lease there um Council

46:31 ↗ chamber location um I need more

46:35 ↗ information on location and cost before

46:37 ↗ I would be willing to go down that road

46:40 ↗ my priority first and foremost is to not

46:44 ↗ put more money into this building and so

46:46 ↗ if that means moving us somewhere else

46:52 ↗ great if we are having a hard time

46:55 ↗ finding a place that would be useful I'd

46:59 ↗ rather we stay rather than choose to

47:01 ↗ lease elsewhere um so I I agree with

47:06 ↗ council member Hall that if you want to

47:08 ↗ put us up on tables like they do at East

47:11 ↗ Side Fire and Rescue and find a location

47:15 ↗ that can have cameras I think that's

47:18 ↗ perfectly acceptable I don't want to

47:20 ↗ spend extra money to have Council have a

47:25 ↗ space um

47:27 ↗ so that's the first question um the

47:29 ↗ second question I know we've been

47:32 ↗ talking about facilities for a long time

47:36 ↗ I still don't think we're quite there

47:39 ↗ for this task force um I agree with a

47:43 ↗ lot of what I have heard we I would love

47:47 ↗ to get a community survey ahead of a

47:50 ↗ task force I don't think it needs to be

47:52 ↗ statistically valid at this point um

47:56 ↗ just just

47:57 ↗ because I don't necessarily want to

48:00 ↗ spend the money and then also spend the

48:03 ↗ money on a consultant I think we've done

48:05 ↗ pretty good a pretty good job of getting

48:08 ↗ online survey and getting enough um

48:11 ↗ people involved in that to have a large

48:14 ↗ enough number there in P in some of the

48:17 ↗ past instances but I think that

48:19 ↗ information would be quite useful

48:23 ↗ and before we pull together a test Force

48:27 ↗ I think we need to hire the consultant

48:29 ↗ we need to get their Direction um get

48:32 ↗ their advice on task force size on scope

48:35 ↗ on the approach um all of those things I

48:39 ↗ also agree with um council member hunt

48:42 ↗ that having been on the recent task

48:45 ↗ force I think Dale will say having the

48:48 ↗ council members there was very useful in

48:51 ↗ being able to bring people back toward

48:54 ↗ you know hey this is what's really

48:56 ↗ important

48:57 ↗ and not cycle um through and so I would

49:00 ↗ definitely Advocate including um council

49:03 ↗ members on that I think right now to me

49:08 ↗ we've had a lot of conversations on

49:11 ↗ facilities and what the needs are there

49:14 ↗ I still don't have a clear understanding

49:16 ↗ of what the scope and focus of the task

49:20 ↗ force would be and given the fact that

49:24 ↗ our feedback hasn't been the same

49:27 ↗ I don't feel great about starting a task

49:30 ↗ force without really having a very clear

49:34 ↗ understanding of what that would be um

49:37 ↗ I'm very concerned about the fire

49:40 ↗ station um I think that could make or

49:44 ↗ break a bond

49:47 ↗ and limiting I

49:50 ↗ know this

49:52 ↗ is a good location for many reasons but

49:58 ↗ I can see how that would be problematic

50:00 ↗ in a voter's eyes um and so I want to

50:03 ↗ make sure that we have evaluated a lot

50:06 ↗ of options and so really getting a sense

50:11 ↗ of okay what are they going to be making

50:15 ↗ a recommendation on what are you know

50:21 ↗ what's the makeup of the group um I

50:23 ↗ think all of that is really important

50:25 ↗ and then I think ultimately for us in

50:30 ↗ making a decision about a bond having

50:32 ↗ polling data would be important um not

50:37 ↗ just that initial survey but actual

50:40 ↗ polling data so that we can decide

50:42 ↗ whether or not putting that on a ballot

50:45 ↗ would be good um because I don't think

50:48 ↗ we want to face a second

50:50 ↗ loss and potentially have to go back on

50:55 ↗ that um

50:57 ↗ and then given all of this I feel like

51:00 ↗ the November 2025 ballot is probably

51:02 ↗ going to be very difficult um but I also

51:07 ↗ very much agree with the concept of we

51:09 ↗ should look over the data and see

51:10 ↗ whether it's better to be in alignment

51:12 ↗ with the municipal you know obviously we

51:14 ↗ have to avoid any other ballot measures

51:17 ↗ that are on there um so we would look to

51:21 ↗ have more information about what the

51:22 ↗ right timeline

51:24 ↗ is okay now anybody for round

51:27 ↗ two

51:29 ↗ no no okay you have what you

51:33 ↗ need I do thank you okay

51:37 ↗ fantastic well one agenda item down one

51:40 ↗ to go I see Andrea getting up there

51:44 ↗ we've got Comm 0075 2025 2026 budget

51:48 ↗ transmitt of preliminary budget take it

51:52 ↗ away

51:53 ↗ Andrea thank you council member or

51:55 ↗ council president

51:57 ↗ um I'm Andrea Snider Deputy City

51:59 ↗ administrator and interim CFO in your

52:02 ↗ packet this evening uh we have the

52:06 ↗ preliminary budget uh so that includes a

52:09 ↗ memo and um a budget on a page that

52:12 ↗ shows the entire city budget as we

52:15 ↗ talked about a couple of weeks ago uh

52:17 ↗ this preliminary budget is a little

52:18 ↗ different than how we have typically

52:20 ↗ done things in the past uh this year

52:23 ↗ unfortunately we've had some pretty

52:24 ↗ unique staff constraints

52:27 ↗ um that have slowed our budget drafting

52:30 ↗ process uh in addition we have

52:32 ↗ anticipated and forecasted pretty large

52:35 ↗ difference between expenditures and

52:37 ↗ revenues for 25 and 26 that have um also

52:41 ↗ provided some difficulties and

52:42 ↗ presenting to you a balanced budget so

52:45 ↗ what you see uh in your packet tonight

52:47 ↗ is the preliminary budget and includes

52:50 ↗ um the uh anticipated expenditures and

52:54 ↗ revenues for each of the city funds you

52:57 ↗ will also see that um they're not

52:59 ↗ necessarily balanced between

53:01 ↗ expenditures and

53:03 ↗ revenues um what is to follow is a

53:06 ↗ proposed budget which will show um a

53:09 ↗ better balance across those funds so um

53:13 ↗ in this preliminary budget uh to create

53:16 ↗ this budget we ask departments to

53:18 ↗ provide their budget requests um we also

53:21 ↗ asked them to reduce especially

53:23 ↗ departments reliant on the general fund

53:26 ↗ to reduce their expenditures by

53:29 ↗ 12% um with some notable exceptions in

53:31 ↗ police and a few other smaller

53:33 ↗ departments are very urgent priorities

53:35 ↗ that we felt like 12% was um something

53:38 ↗ we needed to discuss further come back

53:39 ↗ to council Etc um and so uh these

53:44 ↗ reductions resulted in a $7 million

53:47 ↗ decrease in the general fund budget

53:49 ↗ expenditure budget over the previous

53:52 ↗ bium meanwhile you'll see that the

53:55 ↗ entire city budget across all funds is

53:58 ↗ expected to increase by about

54:00 ↗ 15% um over the past bium uh as adopted

54:04 ↗ due mainly to increases in capital fund

54:08 ↗ and utility

54:10 ↗ funds in July at the July City Council

54:14 ↗ budget priority setting Retreat the

54:16 ↗ administration presented to council some

54:18 ↗ of what uh we felt were our urgent

54:21 ↗ priorities including facility items like

54:23 ↗ the ones that Autumn just presented on

54:26 ↗ um as well as some other Public Safety

54:28 ↗ needs none of those items are included

54:30 ↗ in the preliminary budget that you see

54:32 ↗ before you tonight so I wanted to be

54:34 ↗ clear that there's a lot of expenditures

54:36 ↗ that I think the administration

54:38 ↗ anticipates and would um would suggest

54:42 ↗ our urgent uh that are not included in

54:44 ↗ the preliminary budget that we still

54:46 ↗ would like to accommodate within the

54:47 ↗ proposed

54:51 ↗ budget um while this preliminary budget

54:54 ↗ does not include many new expenditures

54:58 ↗ for the general fund the preliminary

55:00 ↗ budget does include a few new revenues

55:03 ↗ um like a proposed increased utility

55:05 ↗ taxes for water sewer storm water and

55:08 ↗ cable from 3% to 6% that would have our

55:12 ↗ utility taxes across the board be at

55:15 ↗ 6% for the other utilities as well like

55:18 ↗ electric for

55:20 ↗ example um the preliminary budget also

55:23 ↗ includes as part of its new revenues

55:24 ↗ adjustments to contract fees for

55:26 ↗ services the City offers to other cities

55:29 ↗ uh for example for jail services for

55:31 ↗ court services those adjustments um to

55:34 ↗ the contract fees uh would be um are to

55:38 ↗ reflect the rising cost for jail

55:39 ↗ services and court services as

55:42 ↗ well um as I stated before further

55:45 ↗ adjustments are needed uh in order to

55:47 ↗ accommodate what the administration

55:49 ↗ feels are Urgent priorities and also to

55:52 ↗ ensure that uh the budgets the funds are

55:54 ↗ balanced and that we preserve an ending

55:57 ↗ fund balance in the general fund of 15%

56:00 ↗ for those undesignated

56:04 ↗ expenditures next steps October 28th uh

56:08 ↗ the administration plans on transmitting

56:10 ↗ the proposed budget coming before

56:12 ↗ Council and having the deliberations

56:14 ↗ start then deliberations would then

56:16 ↗ continue through the month of November

56:18 ↗ and beginning part of December with

56:20 ↗ adoption slated for December

56:23 ↗ 9th are there any questions

56:29 ↗ I guess my question to you is what what

56:33 ↗ do you need from us at this point is

56:35 ↗ there anything you're trying to solidify

56:38 ↗ tonight just conveying information yeah

56:41 ↗ the the purpose of this evening is

56:43 ↗ really to transmit the budget um as is

56:45 ↗ our typical practice uh what we

56:48 ↗ typically do is transmit the budget

56:50 ↗ provide some of that information Council

56:53 ↗ may look at it we talk about the process

56:55 ↗ and um if there's any immediate

56:58 ↗ questions you have I'd love to answer

57:00 ↗ those um I know that there's not a lot

57:02 ↗ of information included in this

57:04 ↗ preliminary budget it's a different

57:05 ↗ budget process than what we have uh

57:09 ↗ followed in the past and that's again

57:11 ↗ due to some of our unique constraints

57:13 ↗ this year so in the proposed budget

57:15 ↗ there's going to be a lot more

57:16 ↗ information we also anticipate some

57:18 ↗ Council briefings to occur mid-mon so

57:21 ↗ you have more information in advance of

57:23 ↗ the proposed budget um but as for

57:26 ↗ tonight we don't need any specific

57:29 ↗ Direction and council president if I can

57:31 ↗ just add um there's a statutory

57:34 ↗ requirement that 90 days prior to the

57:36 ↗ end of the fiscal year that you would

57:37 ↗ get this preliminary budget we have not

57:40 ↗ uh taken advantage of that statutory

57:42 ↗ requirement in recent past we've gone

57:44 ↗ right to the preliminary budget and

57:46 ↗ there's a statutory requirement that

57:47 ↗ that be 60 days so that the reason that

57:51 ↗ we're here really at all tonight is in

57:53 ↗ order to satisfy the statutory requ

57:56 ↗ enement want to make that

57:59 ↗ point council member Hall thank you I'm

58:02 ↗ just wondering as as part of the budget

58:04 ↗ process if we can learn or get

58:06 ↗ information about household impact on

58:09 ↗ utility tax uh increases and kind of

58:12 ↗ what we can expect that

58:14 ↗ to how how we can expect that to impact

58:18 ↗ individuals absolutely um and we heard

58:21 ↗ that request at the council Retreat that

58:23 ↗ is something we'll be planning to bring

58:25 ↗ back um for when we're in the council

58:27 ↗ deliberations and when we have that

58:29 ↗ proposed budget I also know there's

58:30 ↗ other information that we've been

58:32 ↗ requested um that's been requested of us

58:34 ↗ like um cost per capita and Trends over

58:37 ↗ time right so we will be we will we've

58:40 ↗ been tracking those questions and we'll

58:41 ↗ be prepared to bring that information

58:43 ↗ back to you thank you thank

58:46 ↗ you uh Deputy council president D

58:49 ↗ Michelle well you said that the

58:51 ↗ Departments have cut their budgets by

58:53 ↗ 12% is that did they just

58:56 ↗ do a cut or do are they working now on

58:59 ↗ specifically what is

59:02 ↗ what positions unfortunately and what

59:05 ↗ what programs are being reduced yes and

59:09 ↗ so we will come to you with reductions

59:11 ↗ uh there are layoffs expected we have

59:13 ↗ told the staff uh between 15 and 20 we

59:17 ↗ hope that that number is less than that

59:19 ↗ uh we are going to be proposing uh

59:20 ↗ programs will be reduced support to

59:22 ↗ community organizations will be reduced

59:25 ↗ um it's sign ific and quite honestly uh

59:27 ↗ when all is said and done there will be

59:29 ↗ several departments that will be far in

59:30 ↗ excess of 12% because the police

59:33 ↗ department will have only increases and

59:36 ↗ um with the assistance of our

59:38 ↗ Representatives on the East Side Fire

59:39 ↗ and Rescue board we are still working on

59:42 ↗ uh the proposed budget there which still

59:43 ↗ currently stands at a

59:45 ↗ 177% increase and so uh you will see

59:49 ↗ other departments again that will be far

59:51 ↗ in excess of 12% their reduction

59:58 ↗ I think council member Hull's face right

1:00:00 ↗ now uh represents the situation

1:00:04 ↗ the yeah the the the stress over all of

1:00:07 ↗ that um Andrea I noticed that our

1:00:12 ↗ Enterprise funds um even going into 2024

1:00:17 ↗ but also 25 and 26 all have

1:00:20 ↗ significantly more expenditures than

1:00:24 ↗ revenues I thought our Enterprise funds

1:00:26 ↗ our water sewer and storm water were

1:00:28 ↗ supposed to be balanced by nature is

1:00:32 ↗ that not

1:00:36 ↗ correct uh yes they they should be

1:00:40 ↗ balanced but also we have some

1:00:42 ↗ expenditures coming out of water sewer

1:00:45 ↗ storm water related to Capital expenses

1:00:48 ↗ right and so you also see an increase in

1:00:50 ↗ the capital fund uh expenditures by

1:00:52 ↗ quite a bit over 24 um included in this

1:00:56 ↗ preliminary budget and so there's a lot

1:00:58 ↗ more capital projects that are occurring

1:01:00 ↗ in the utilities um the other thing I

1:01:03 ↗ should note is that we are currently

1:01:06 ↗ doing a utility rate study that should

1:01:09 ↗ come back to Council in the first

1:01:10 ↗ quarter of next year as we um it's part

1:01:13 ↗ of our regular review of our utility

1:01:15 ↗ rates and what our Capital plans and

1:01:17 ↗ operational needs are for our utilities

1:01:19 ↗ and so that's something that we'll be

1:01:21 ↗ coming back to Council in the first

1:01:23 ↗ quarter as we look at um 202 six rates

1:01:26 ↗ Council has already adopted utility

1:01:28 ↗ rates through 2025 and those are

1:01:30 ↗ reflected in this prelim preliminary

1:01:33 ↗ budget okay so even outside of the

1:01:36 ↗ Enterprise funds I'm seeing very large

1:01:39 ↗ decreases in ending fund balance for

1:01:42 ↗ 2023 compared to

1:01:44 ↗ 2026 um so when we come back into this I

1:01:48 ↗ really want to know are those ending

1:01:50 ↗ fund balances sustainable um and

1:01:53 ↗ obviously they'll change with what is

1:01:55 ↗ proposed

1:01:56 ↗ um but really trying to understand are

1:01:59 ↗ those ending fund balances sustainable

1:02:02 ↗ um and look at kind of what the

1:02:04 ↗ percentage decrease or the amount

1:02:07 ↗ decrease is um because that is really

1:02:12 ↗ the representative of how much more

1:02:15 ↗ expenditures are than revenues um that

1:02:17 ↗ we're projecting which to me in a

1:02:21 ↗ economy like this is concerning

1:02:24 ↗ so and and thank you council president

1:02:26 ↗ as we were looking to create this

1:02:28 ↗ preliminary budget we did look at our

1:02:30 ↗ ending fund balances especially in

1:02:32 ↗ places like the It fund the fleet fund

1:02:34 ↗ Etc and as we are cutting back some of

1:02:38 ↗ those funds have collected large

1:02:40 ↗ balances while still maintaining the

1:02:43 ↗ same contributions from the general fund

1:02:46 ↗ or other funds and so what we were

1:02:49 ↗ looking at is do some of those very

1:02:51 ↗ large ending fund balances actually make

1:02:53 ↗ sense um and and how are they affecting

1:02:57 ↗ um the rest of the city budget and so um

1:03:00 ↗ it is something that was intentional was

1:03:02 ↗ to eat into some of those ending fund

1:03:04 ↗ balances that we felt were larger than

1:03:07 ↗ needed to happen now um more information

1:03:09 ↗ can be provided on where those ending

1:03:11 ↗ fund balances are that we are concerned

1:03:13 ↗ about as we look at future

1:03:15 ↗ projections okay and along with that I

1:03:18 ↗ know we have a financial policy for our

1:03:20 ↗ general fund um but we don't have a fin

1:03:25 ↗ cial policy for the other funds I would

1:03:28 ↗ assume to to my knowledge we do not okay

1:03:32 ↗ that might be something you know for

1:03:34 ↗ swaying up and down that we might want

1:03:36 ↗ to consider as a council to understand

1:03:40 ↗ you know not just do we use this money

1:03:43 ↗ in the case of um emergencies but also

1:03:47 ↗ should we try and create more steady

1:03:49 ↗ expenditures and not um allow something

1:03:53 ↗ to go up and down as much um I'm

1:03:56 ↗ thinking of things like the Fleet

1:03:58 ↗ Services if we're building up such a

1:04:00 ↗ fund there and then not maintaining our

1:04:03 ↗ Fleet that suggests potential for higher

1:04:07 ↗ costs um through lack of Maintenance Etc

1:04:12 ↗ so okay any other questions comments

1:04:17 ↗ before we end this item no council

1:04:21 ↗ member hunt um on on the other fund uh

1:04:27 ↗ and other than the general um those

1:04:30 ↗ ending fund

1:04:32 ↗ balances uh I think it would also be

1:04:34 ↗ good to know some of them I think like I

1:04:37 ↗ was just looking at the school zone

1:04:39 ↗ safety I think that for some of them it

1:04:42 ↗ is expected that you would acrew and

1:04:45 ↗ then you would have a project and so you

1:04:47 ↗ would draw it down and

1:04:49 ↗ that's then you would want that

1:04:51 ↗ flexibility within your um within your

1:04:55 ↗ uh standard for that fund so um I'm

1:04:59 ↗ interested in in if there are best

1:05:02 ↗ practices for the other funds but I do

1:05:04 ↗ think there are some that are um we

1:05:06 ↗ would expect to be drawn down quite a

1:05:07 ↗ bit because that's the nature of those

1:05:09 ↗ those

1:05:10 ↗ funds and council president if I could

1:05:12 ↗ just elaborate a little bit U there

1:05:14 ↗ certainly is a story with each of the

1:05:16 ↗ Enterprise funds you know fleet's a

1:05:18 ↗ great example um you you know a best

1:05:21 ↗ practice for that would be to look at

1:05:23 ↗ your Fleet identify the value of each

1:05:25 ↗ vehicle in the fleet the uh uh expected

1:05:28 ↗ lifespan for that um and then do some

1:05:31 ↗ simple division um we've not been very

1:05:34 ↗ good at that over time and so that is a

1:05:37 ↗ way you would do that so in some cases

1:05:39 ↗ you know some years you're replacing a

1:05:41 ↗ sedan some years we replacing a heavy

1:05:43 ↗ duty truck uh those costs vary but that

1:05:45 ↗ we would have a plan so it's not so much

1:05:47 ↗ a percentage as it is an adopted 7year

1:05:51 ↗ 10-year plan based on the vehicles there

1:05:54 ↗ the it funds very similar

1:05:56 ↗ uh the utility funds again um depending

1:05:59 ↗ on the infrastructure if you're going to

1:06:00 ↗ replace so much of water line every year

1:06:03 ↗ you build that in so the percentage

1:06:05 ↗ works well on the general fund and

1:06:07 ↗ perhaps some other select funds but

1:06:10 ↗ really the others need a plan um and as

1:06:13 ↗ we've gone through this Andrea and her

1:06:15 ↗ team and I really want to uh you know

1:06:17 ↗ they've been under some very difficult

1:06:19 ↗ circumstances um with some of our key

1:06:22 ↗ staff not being available to us um have

1:06:25 ↗ begun to ask those questions and you

1:06:26 ↗ know really appreciate Andrew's

1:06:28 ↗ leadership um in those other funds and

1:06:31 ↗ so while I don't think we'll have great

1:06:34 ↗ Solutions over for a long term with this

1:06:36 ↗ I think we're laying some really good

1:06:38 ↗ groundwork on the other funds and so as

1:06:40 ↗ we look at you know what the general

1:06:42 ↗ fund is contributing to some of those

1:06:44 ↗ funds I think there is some flexibility

1:06:47 ↗ uh but over time we want to be very

1:06:48 ↗ cautious that we're not uh overextending

1:06:51 ↗ that flexibility for short-term gain uh

1:06:54 ↗ and again Andrea I think is brought a

1:06:56 ↗ very keen eye uh to this and I think one

1:06:58 ↗ of the great uh things I can already see

1:07:01 ↗ coming out of this is the strengthen

1:07:03 ↗ some of the planning that we'll be able

1:07:04 ↗ to do for the other funds it's going to

1:07:06 ↗ be very difficult to address general

1:07:08 ↗ fund issues but I think some of the

1:07:09 ↗ other funds are going to come out even

1:07:11 ↗ stronger uh through this process so I

1:07:13 ↗ want to thank Andrea her team for being

1:07:16 ↗ very diligent about

1:07:18 ↗ that fantastic that's even better than

1:07:22 ↗ suggesting there should be a percentage

1:07:23 ↗ rate um I'm glad we're addressing that

1:07:26 ↗ so um no more comments on

1:07:31 ↗ this so I think we've got announcements

1:07:35 ↗ adjournment and then an executive

1:07:38 ↗ session

1:07:39 ↗ correct

1:07:41 ↗ okay and a

1:07:44 ↗ what yeah with yeah MH yep okay so any

1:07:51 ↗ announcements no okay then I am going to

1:07:55 ↗ to adjourn this meeting at

1:07:58 ↗ 8:23 p.m. thank you

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Council / Members (7)

Barbara de Michele

Zach Hall

Victoria Hunt

Russell Joe

Tola Marts

Chris Reh

Lindsey Walsh