Transportation Advisory Board · Thursday, December 14, 2023 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of October 25, 2023

5 min · packet pp.3–4

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 10-25-23 Transportation Advisory Board Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Transportation Advisory Board 6:00 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave. October 25, 2023 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Traffic Calming Introduction

Information · John Larson-Friend, Transportation Program Coordinator · packet pp.5–41

Topics: Transportation

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Staff report:

(Re)Introduce TAB to Traffic Calming, describe our current policy, and propose our Policy Revamp Plan.

5. REPORTS

Board Work Plan

packet pp.43

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Staff report:

Comp Plan: Transportation Intro &

Staff Report

Chair Report

Youth Report

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0:05 ↗ okay um good evening everyone it's 603

0:09 ↗ and I'm going to call this meeting to

0:10 ↗ order welcome to the December 14th

0:12 ↗ special meeting of the transportation

0:15 ↗ Advisory Board my name is Cynthia crass

0:16 ↗ I currently serve as the chair for those

0:19 ↗ who are keeping track this meeting was

0:20 ↗ originally scheduled for November and

0:22 ↗ had to be rescheduled there was

0:24 ↗ originally going to be no tab meeting in

0:25 ↗ December so this meeting Catches Us up

0:27 ↗ after that cancellation um I also want

0:30 ↗ to welcome our newest member AI I say

0:34 ↗ that right yes um who is our youth

0:37 ↗ member and we're really excited to fill

0:39 ↗ that position um so with five of us we

0:42 ↗ have a quorum we might have one or two

0:44 ↗ joining us but I definitely want to get

0:46 ↗ underway um the first item on the agenda

0:50 ↗ is approval of the minutes and I'm

0:51 ↗ seeking approval of the October 27 to 25

0:55 ↗ minutes by unanimous consent as

0:57 ↗ presented I'm sorry with one minor

0:59 ↗ change I'm listed twice as both here and

1:02 ↗ excused oh and I was not here and thank

1:04 ↗ you juliean for taking that and now we

1:07 ↗ have Dave so we have six

1:09 ↗ um

1:11 ↗ uh so um

1:14 ↗ I'm um seeking approval of the October

1:17 ↗ 25th minutes by unanimous consent with

1:20 ↗ that minor change to take Cynthia's name

1:23 ↗ off the here list and

1:26 ↗ um not hearing any objections so the are

1:30 ↗ approved with that minor chain great um

1:34 ↗ that brings us

1:36 ↗ to um how about comment and uh before we

1:40 ↗ invite um the person who signed up I

1:44 ↗ don't have a sheet so I can't introduce

1:45 ↗ you but I will uh I can't call your name

1:48 ↗ but I will also just mention that we did

1:50 ↗ get several emails on this topic and I

1:52 ↗ think that's worth noting one of those

1:55 ↗ uh emailers is online and um I just want

2:00 ↗ to make sure that people are seeing

2:01 ↗ those and we should probably develop a

2:03 ↗ practice on how to incorporate those

2:06 ↗ comments we get during you know during

2:10 ↗ the month um how we want to talk about

2:13 ↗ them in the meeting so we'll think about

2:14 ↗ that a little bit um and with that um oh

2:18 ↗ great okay oh

2:19 ↗ Mary Lynch would you uh like to go and

2:23 ↗ you can just um we don't really have a

2:25 ↗ Podium but if you just want to come up

2:26 ↗ here and um and it looks like we have um

2:31 ↗ two and I'm assuming Nancy's gonna make

2:33 ↗ a a comment as well but um go ahead just

2:36 ↗ go ahead and introduce yourself my name

2:38 ↗ is Mary Lynch and I live at 2690

2:41 ↗ Northwest Oak Crest Drive um here in

2:43 ↗ isqua that's out um just west of here in

2:47 ↗ Newport Way I've lived here over 30

2:49 ↗ years I also served as a citizen on the

2:53 ↗ uh Central Area task force plan where we

2:56 ↗ try to make sure that one of the goals

2:58 ↗ coming out of that was was creating

3:00 ↗ multimodal modal trans Pathways and

3:03 ↗ transportation and really concentrating

3:04 ↗ on putting isqua Citizens First over

3:08 ↗ pass through traffic um with that I'm

3:11 ↗ glad that you are talking about um

3:13 ↗ traffic caling because I think we need

3:15 ↗ that and to to do more uh put more forth

3:19 ↗ uh work U on that especially as it deals

3:22 ↗ with pedestrians and multim modal and

3:24 ↗ making those connections throughout the

3:26 ↗ city um one of the places I really think

3:30 ↗ we still need to we've talked about it

3:31 ↗ for years and it hasn't happened is on

3:34 ↗ front and sunset we need to make both of

3:36 ↗ those streets more pedestrian friendly

3:39 ↗ especially at the intersection uh we've

3:41 ↗ talked a number of years about having a

3:44 ↗ stop and doing a you know xross through

3:48 ↗ there uh if you have not been down there

3:51 ↗ you have to go down there and sometimes

3:53 ↗ wait almost five minutes to cross the

3:55 ↗ street which I think is totally out of

3:58 ↗ character especially when we have like

3:59 ↗ now our holiday themes going on I know

4:02 ↗ we have crosswalks further down on or

4:06 ↗ north on Front Street but that doesn't

4:08 ↗ help if you're going to the other venues

4:10 ↗ elsewhere so it's not putting it's

4:11 ↗ putting through traffic over um local

4:14 ↗ traffic and local pedestrians I've also

4:17 ↗ heard there's some talk about on um Bush

4:20 ↗ making that leftand turn uh not possible

4:24 ↗ for me who lives over east or west of

4:27 ↗ town I work East sometimes the only way

4:30 ↗ I can get across town at rush hour is to

4:33 ↗ go on Bush turn left go that short

4:36 ↗ distance down front and then go noport

4:39 ↗ home because I can't get on Sunset

4:42 ↗ across Sunset because everybody's trying

4:45 ↗ through traffic is is on Sunset trying

4:47 ↗ to make a leftand turn and go south so I

4:50 ↗ think we need to on all those pinch

4:52 ↗ points pay more attention to local

4:54 ↗ traffic and local

4:55 ↗ pedestrians um I also think when we're

4:58 ↗ looking at

5:00 ↗ through traffic or excuse me traffic

5:02 ↗ calming we need to look at as a whole

5:04 ↗ picture yes we've now have speed bumps

5:06 ↗ over on two streets south of of sunset

5:10 ↗ what we haven't done is anything with

5:13 ↗ the uh Alleyways so guess where all the

5:16 ↗ students and all the parent traffics are

5:17 ↗ going now there are still some that are

5:20 ↗ bouncing over the speed bumps but now we

5:23 ↗ have cars that are going down the

5:25 ↗ Alleyways that didn't go down the

5:26 ↗ Alleyways and we have cars that are

5:28 ↗ turning right off of sunset in the

5:30 ↗ morning going on um Alder to speed down

5:35 ↗ to second to turn left or on disected to

5:39 ↗ get to school faster so um when we look

5:42 ↗ at traffic coming you need to look at

5:44 ↗ the whole picture think of it as a river

5:47 ↗ valley and find out if you put speed

5:49 ↗ bump someplace they're going to go

5:51 ↗ someplace else and that's my concern

5:53 ↗ with South Cove I saw that you're

5:54 ↗ looking at some things with 188 if you

5:57 ↗ do something with 188 then don't do

5:59 ↗ something with 192nd and 193rd they're

6:03 ↗ going to be and they already are in the

6:04 ↗ morning speeding down there because um

6:07 ↗ I'm a laid off engineer that has been

6:09 ↗ driving school bus for the district uh

6:11 ↗ for 15 years now so I know the traffic

6:14 ↗ well and traffic patterns and parents

6:17 ↗ and students are always trying to beat

6:19 ↗ the buses to the schools they always

6:22 ↗ know the shortest cut they always cut

6:24 ↗ you off whether they're experienced

6:26 ↗ drivers or not so when you look at

6:28 ↗ traffic coming for area look at the

6:30 ↗ entire area and that gets me to a

6:33 ↗ comment that I heard a staff person

6:34 ↗ telling a group of business people about

6:37 ↗ the fact that the new if we get the

6:39 ↗ intelligent system with this the um

6:42 ↗ sales tax we'll put it first on on Front

6:45 ↗ Street because we can get all this

6:46 ↗ through traffic faster through town well

6:49 ↗ that doesn't make sense because as soon

6:52 ↗ as you get out of town what do you have

6:54 ↗ you have Hobart Road that is not wider

6:57 ↗ you've got May Valley that's coming in

6:58 ↗ then you have further south and so all

7:01 ↗ you're going to do is spend a lot of

7:03 ↗ money on Front Street and you're not

7:06 ↗ speeding up traffic but you're letting

7:09 ↗ the through traffic people think they

7:10 ↗ can speed up and you need to look at

7:13 ↗ there's a lot of other areas that you

7:15 ↗ could have Smart signals and I know what

7:18 ↗ the smart signal that I've seen for now

7:20 ↗ almost 10 years down on lakem and

7:23 ↗ Newport Way that works fantastic and I

7:26 ↗ as a school bus driver have done used

7:28 ↗ that intersection tremendously and if

7:30 ↗ there's no car over here that light

7:32 ↗ doesn't turn or if there's a long line

7:35 ↗ here it stays and at brush hour it stays

7:38 ↗ so those getting off I90 can get up the

7:41 ↗ hill faster those are are the types of

7:43 ↗ intersections you need to look at the

7:45 ↗ Smart Systems not trying to get traffic

7:48 ↗ through faster what the mayor has tried

7:50 ↗ to do and I support what she and the

7:52 ↗ other Council and our government people

7:55 ↗ has tried to get Highway team complete

7:58 ↗ and that's what we need to do but we

8:00 ↗ also need to keep the semis off of Front

8:03 ↗ Street tomorrow Front Street will be

8:05 ↗ loaded with semis they don't mind the

8:08 ↗ sign we need somebody down turning them

8:12 ↗ off May or onto May valy keeping them

8:14 ↗ off of Front Street because tomorrow

8:16 ↗ they're going to have another shutdown

8:18 ↗ of Highway 18 it's a plan shutdown why

8:21 ↗ couldn't they wait till Monday when

8:22 ↗ there is no school don't ask me but when

8:25 ↗ we look at the Smart Systems we need to

8:27 ↗ think about our citizens first and

8:30 ↗ pedestrians for traffic cing thank you

8:33 ↗ excuse me what was the intersection you

8:35 ↗ said at first you said the really bad

8:37 ↗ crosswalk timing was Front Street and

8:39 ↗ well I just want to make Front Street

8:40 ↗ and sunset yeah and I challenge anybody

8:43 ↗ to go down there and try across the

8:45 ↗ street yeah I was

8:48 ↗ gonna maybe next meeting he about the

8:52 ↗ timing on it how it's set

8:56 ↗ up thank you okay uh and we do have have

8:59 ↗ um Nancy as um Nancy planning

9:04 ↗ making hi I'm Nancy

9:08 ↗ Davidson can you hear me yes we can and

9:11 ↗ go ahead thank you all right thanks hi

9:13 ↗ I'm Nancy Davidson I did submit some

9:15 ↗ comments and writing and in case you had

9:16 ↗ not received those I wanted to at least

9:19 ↗ build upon those I encourage you

9:22 ↗ strongly to look at the city's um what

9:24 ↗ they call a traffic caling program it

9:26 ↗ was first adopted according to what I've

9:28 ↗ seen on the website in about 2017 and a

9:31 ↗ bunch of projects were identified in

9:33 ↗ 2020 for implementation and approved by

9:36 ↗ the city council um what we found is in

9:40 ↗ 2023 they have approved a budget of

9:42 ↗ $831,000 to do some

9:45 ↗ improvements but um improvements that

9:48 ↗ were promised such as uh uh Street

9:51 ↗ crossing on Sunset and lights along

9:53 ↗ Sunset between second and the freeway

9:56 ↗ offramp have not occurred um in fact in

10:00 ↗ talking with City staff it's my

10:01 ↗ understanding that those are now out

10:03 ↗ until the 27 2027 time frame they were

10:07 ↗ promised to city council that they would

10:08 ↗ happen in 2022 and I personally find

10:11 ↗ that that is a very disturbing Trend in

10:14 ↗ addition in 2024 there's

10:17 ↗ $318,000 appropriated for small

10:20 ↗ strategic small C or strategic capital

10:23 ↗ projects which according to the city's

10:25 ↗ budget is for things like traffic

10:27 ↗ calming so we're getting money but not

10:29 ↗ getting projects I happen to live in

10:31 ↗ Oldtown down on Bush Street and I've

10:33 ↗ watched much of this traffic and it's

10:35 ↗ fast and it's crazy so um in the 8 AM

10:40 ↗ time frame you see a lot of parents and

10:42 ↗ students going very fast we try and walk

10:44 ↗ at that time in the morning and you

10:46 ↗ cannot get across Sunset you cannot you

10:49 ↗ can walk from souths side of you can't

10:52 ↗ walk from the southside of stet to the

10:54 ↗ north side of sunset either in the

10:55 ↗ morning or the afternoon because the

10:57 ↗ traffic is too heavy there aren't AR

10:59 ↗ lights there's no flashing beacons

11:01 ↗ there's no way to get across Sunset

11:04 ↗ safely without taking your life in your

11:06 ↗ own hands many of the neighbors have um

11:09 ↗ spoken with City staff about this

11:11 ↗ expressing concerns and it's clearly a

11:13 ↗ problem when we're trying to get people

11:15 ↗ out of cars people that live down here

11:17 ↗ cannot walk across to see friends to go

11:20 ↗ to City Hall or to go to the theater

11:22 ↗ because we cannot get across Sunset

11:24 ↗ unless it's at second so I think traffic

11:27 ↗ calming but I enourage you also to think

11:30 ↗ about traffic safety because really what

11:32 ↗ we're talking about is the safety of our

11:34 ↗ community and the mobility of it and um

11:38 ↗ as someone who also was on another city

11:40 ↗ committee that's the environmental board

11:42 ↗ we're very concerned about climate

11:43 ↗ change and getting people out of their

11:45 ↗ cars and those of us that live in

11:47 ↗ Oldtown that have not seen the

11:48 ↗ improvements that we have that have been

11:50 ↗ promised by Council and by staff are

11:53 ↗ having difficulties getting around down

11:55 ↗ here with the traffic that's happening

11:57 ↗ so please consider the traffic calming

11:59 ↗ but please don't allow your discussions

12:02 ↗ about a traffic calming program impact

12:05 ↗ implementation of T traffic calming

12:08 ↗ projects that need to be done in this

12:10 ↗ community that's my comments thank

12:13 ↗ you thank you thank you for um being

12:17 ↗ here and for making those comments

12:20 ↗ um yeah just to Echo that I was just

12:22 ↗ gonna say that Sunset um also is access

12:25 ↗ to those Trails too so it is pretty

12:27 ↗ treasurous try to get across sorry so um

12:31 ↗ okay so um the next item on the agenda

12:35 ↗ is regular business

12:37 ↗ and joh is going to no uh you will you

12:41 ↗ be

12:42 ↗ presenting okay just here oh

12:46 ↗ okay okay uh are you ready for me to

12:49 ↗ turn it over to you yeah I think is oh

12:52 ↗ I'm so sorry and you know what Erica

12:53 ↗ help me remember because I have a

12:54 ↗ tendency to forget um the people on the

12:56 ↗ screen and hi Dave welcome

13:00 ↗ small small point of order Madam

13:03 ↗ chair specifically I my job form that I

13:07 ↗ wouldn't be here tonight but I um going

13:10 ↗ to use my traffic cling skills to get up

13:13 ↗ to snow qualy uh because I have a

13:16 ↗ mandatory American Legion meeting so I

13:19 ↗ have to leave now are we having a

13:22 ↗ meeting on the 27th of December no so

13:27 ↗ this is it okay so I'll see everybody in

13:30 ↗ the new year I apologize too many

13:33 ↗ meetings um for me

13:36 ↗ uh the thing I really want to emphasize

13:40 ↗ is when a meeting gets cancelled like

13:42 ↗ that it throws us into and I know it

13:47 ↗ does staff as well but it threw me into

13:50 ↗ a real curveball because now I can't

13:53 ↗ make the meeting there's not going to be

13:55 ↗ another one this month but oh well see

13:59 ↗ you all in the new year thank you for

14:00 ↗ all me spend a few minutes with you I'm

14:04 ↗ now head of to

14:06 ↗ start happy New Year and happy New

14:11 ↗ Year thank you for

14:13 ↗ that he wasn't in my field Vision you

14:16 ↗ kept looking over there I thought you're

14:18 ↗ looking at him thanks s um great okay um

14:22 ↗ and welcome so uh okay

14:26 ↗ so for a moment I think we had Full

14:29 ↗ House I think we did yeah that was great

14:31 ↗ so that was kind of

14:34 ↗ fun what about I'm sorry somebody okay

14:39 ↗ but that's exciting because that means

14:40 ↗ we've got a all the positions are filled

14:43 ↗ um is that we don't have our no that's

14:46 ↗ not what I meant I did forget Tom and I

14:47 ↗ apologize for that um don't tell him um

14:51 ↗ but you're right but we do now have um

14:54 ↗ our roster is full yes sorry was

14:56 ↗ mistaken but our roster is full we just

14:58 ↗ we don't alternates but we a full roster

15:00 ↗ right so that's great um very good are

15:02 ↗ we ready to move on to um the main

15:05 ↗ General business tonight do okay I'm

15:08 ↗ gonna turn it over to John thank

15:11 ↗ you sharing

15:15 ↗ screen well uh yeah thank you H good

15:18 ↗ evening everyone I'm John Larson friend

15:20 ↗ I'm the transportation program

15:21 ↗ coordinator here at the city I'm also

15:23 ↗ the staff that he's on for this tab body

15:26 ↗ um and this evening uh we're here to

15:29 ↗ talk about traffic call you could tell

15:31 ↗ from public

15:32 ↗ comment um I do want to um partially

15:36 ↗ apologize for all the meeting as Dave

15:39 ↗ mentioned all the meetings getting

15:40 ↗ Shuffle around and everything we had

15:42 ↗ some uh calendar mishaps over the last

15:47 ↗ month or for the last meeting so thank

15:50 ↗ everyone for being here this special

15:51 ↗ meeting and again we do not have tab at

15:55 ↗ the end of this month this is this is

15:57 ↗ the November December meeting so

16:00 ↗ uh yeah uh so to get into the traffic

16:03 ↗ cing discussion I want to open with uh

16:06 ↗ the acknowledgement that this packet

16:08 ↗ that you received this time around does

16:10 ↗ look different from the one that you

16:11 ↗ received in November um a lot of work

16:14 ↗ went into that first version and then a

16:17 ↗ lot of work went into this second

16:18 ↗ version as we've had uh more staff

16:21 ↗ conversations about the direction that

16:22 ↗ we want to take um the the engagement

16:25 ↗ and and process so thank you for for

16:29 ↗ your flexibility on that as well um we

16:33 ↗ we know that this topic deserves

16:35 ↗ intentional discussion and like care to

16:38 ↗ get it right for the community it's it's

16:40 ↗ obviously

16:43 ↗ a an issue that a lot of people care

16:45 ↗ about so with that I will get

16:49 ↗ started so the purpose uh this evening

16:53 ↗ is to uh introduce or reintroduce for a

16:56 ↗ lot of you uh tab to traffic cing

16:59 ↗ describe what our current policy is and

17:02 ↗ propose our policy revamp

17:07 ↗ plan so first I kind of wanted to start

17:09 ↗ with like high level what is traffic

17:11 ↗ caling um the on the federal level the

17:14 ↗ Federal Highway Administration defines

17:15 ↗ it as the primary purpose of traffic

17:17 ↗ calming is to support the livability and

17:20 ↗ VI Vitality of residential and

17:21 ↗ Commercial areas through improvements of

17:23 ↗ non-motorist safety mobility and comfort

17:26 ↗ these objectives are typically achieved

17:28 ↗ by reducing vehicle speeds or volumes on

17:30 ↗ a single Street or Street Network

17:32 ↗ traffic calming measures consist of

17:34 ↗ horizontal vertical uh Lane narrowing

17:37 ↗ roadside and other features that use

17:39 ↗ self- enforcing physical or cycle

17:41 ↗ perception means to produce desired

17:46 ↗ effects and then under uh wash do are

17:50 ↗ the Washington State Department of

17:51 ↗ Transportation they Define traffic

17:53 ↗ calming as uh traffic calming reduces

17:55 ↗ vehicle speeds by using roadway design

17:57 ↗ elements roundabouts narrowed roads and

18:00 ↗ speed humps traffic calming supports the

18:02 ↗ liability and vitality of residential

18:05 ↗ and Commercial areas by improving safety

18:07 ↗ mobility and comfort for all Road users

18:09 ↗ with special care taken from pedestrians

18:12 ↗ so a little bit more specific on the

18:13 ↗ state level than Federal

18:18 ↗ level next we have uh this chart so

18:21 ↗ getting into why why traffic Hing why is

18:24 ↗ this something that uh has been growing

18:26 ↗ in popularity across the us especially

18:30 ↗ um and I just wanted to start with this

18:32 ↗ chart specifically this is from the

18:34 ↗ Federal Highway

18:35 ↗ Administration um basically uh the data

18:39 ↗ shows that uh people struck by Vehicles

18:41 ↗ traveling at speeds of 20 miles an hour

18:44 ↗ or less are typically less are per are

18:47 ↗ typically not permanently or severely

18:50 ↗ injured um as you go up in speed from

18:54 ↗ there uh injuries become more severe as

18:57 ↗ those speeds go up

18:58 ↗ and then once you hit that 36 M hour

19:01 ↗ threshold that's the point where

19:03 ↗ pedestrians are usually fatally

19:07 ↗ injured uh this chart is especially

19:10 ↗ Salient uh in 2023 going into 2024 as

19:14 ↗ pedestrian deaths are going up

19:17 ↗ nationally globally they're going down

19:19 ↗ but in the US they're going up um some

19:23 ↗ of the reasons for that could be you

19:24 ↗ know electric cars are heavier because

19:27 ↗ batteries um we also know that uh the

19:30 ↗ most popular vehicles in the US are uh

19:33 ↗ pickup trucks and SUVs and their hoods

19:36 ↗ uh bubbles are getting higher and higher

19:37 ↗ so it's harder to see over the hoods and

19:40 ↗ so there's just a whole bunch of

19:41 ↗ different factors like that contributing

19:43 ↗ to

19:46 ↗ that in

19:48 ↗ isqua uh we have uh we've had a focus on

19:53 ↗ traffic calming for a while now um we'll

19:56 ↗ get into the traffic calming policy uh

19:58 ↗ that was put into place in

20:00 ↗ 2003 um has been in place since then uh

20:03 ↗ but during the mobility master plan

20:05 ↗ process which uh you all well the tab uh

20:09 ↗ engaged in um included traffic calming

20:13 ↗ uh within the goals so under goal one

20:16 ↗ proactive safety uh the goal statement

20:19 ↗ is uh providing safe and comfortable

20:21 ↗ streets that encourage people uh to

20:23 ↗ travel by walking bicycling and Transit

20:26 ↗ and we actually have a specific policy

20:28 ↗ 1.3 that establishes safer vehicle

20:31 ↗ speeds and traffic calming uh and calm

20:34 ↗ traffic where appropriate uh using

20:37 ↗ proven traffic cing

20:39 ↗ measures and then uh we also have

20:41 ↗ Mobility Mobility master plan goal two

20:44 ↗ which doesn't specifically mention

20:46 ↗ traffic calming uh but when it comes to

20:49 ↗ Quality of Life um looking at the design

20:52 ↗ Mobility to improve public outcomes for

20:54 ↗ the environment for public health and

20:56 ↗ equable access to resources ities

20:58 ↗ specifically that emphasis on public

21:00 ↗ health because if you're if pedestrians

21:03 ↗ are being hit they are not

21:07 ↗ healthy next I want to invite uh John

21:11 ↗ mortson uh my supervisor to uh talk a

21:14 ↗ little bit about uh perception because

21:17 ↗ there is a difference between actual

21:19 ↗ like the science of safety and uh and

21:22 ↗ the perception of what safety is so yes

21:25 ↗ thank you yeah thanks John uh so the

21:28 ↗ main point that I wanted to make on this

21:29 ↗ slide is we'll get a lot of traffic

21:32 ↗ coming requests and we'll go out there

21:35 ↗ and the first thing we do is we schedule

21:37 ↗ traffic counts and we get the counts

21:42 ↗ and well the request has a perceived

21:47 ↗ issue with speeding we'll get the counts

21:49 ↗ and it'll have the 85th per tile speed

21:52 ↗ which is where 85% of the cars are going

21:55 ↗ at or below and

21:58 ↗ most of the time the 85th per speed is

22:01 ↗ around the speed limit which is usually

22:04 ↗ 25 miles an hour sometimes it's even

22:07 ↗ less and so what I found in my personal

22:10 ↗ life and when we see these requests are

22:13 ↗ a lot of times as hard as a pedestrian

22:16 ↗ walking on a sidewalk to judge

22:19 ↗ speed and we had a recent

22:22 ↗ one complaining about cars just going

22:25 ↗ really fast and I think the 85th per

22:28 ↗ speed was around it was in the low 20s

22:30 ↗ and so when we make these decisions we

22:33 ↗ do want them to be data driven because

22:37 ↗ it is hard to judge just standing

22:40 ↗ there but also use the data that John

22:43 ↗ was showing about how over a certain

22:46 ↗ point the speed is dangerous but also

22:49 ↗ understanding that it can be

22:51 ↗ hard without measuring it to judge how

22:54 ↗ fast a car is

22:56 ↗ going you yeah great thank

23:01 ↗ you uh on that note um moving over to

23:05 ↗ kind of what what the popular perception

23:08 ↗ of traffic calming is um I wanted to

23:11 ↗ note that uh speed bumps are one of

23:13 ↗ those devices that seem to be one of

23:17 ↗ those highly requested uh pieces of you

23:20 ↗ know I'm speed bumps in my neighborhood

23:22 ↗ because of x y and z um we want to

23:25 ↗ highlight that it speed bumps are are

23:28 ↗ one of many traffic calming tools um and

23:32 ↗ the way that modern traffic calming has

23:34 ↗ been moving it's thinking a little bit

23:35 ↗ bigger is thinking a bit a little bit

23:37 ↗ more

23:38 ↗ holistically uh the other thing that I

23:40 ↗ wanted to note is that not all traffic

23:42 ↗ calming is about speeds talking about

23:44 ↗ 85th percentile and I'll get into more

23:47 ↗ definitions around that it's it's such a

23:49 ↗ strange measurement uh but um if we're

23:53 ↗ looking at speeds and not considering

23:55 ↗ you know extra cut through traffic or or

23:58 ↗ you know bike and pedestrian safety

24:00 ↗ neighborhood liability overall traffic

24:02 ↗ flow um it those sorts of speed

24:07 ↗ measurements don't really address those

24:09 ↗ those types of issues that that are all

24:11 ↗ a part of the traffic Colony um Mission

24:17 ↗ essentially uh I also wanted to go over

24:21 ↗ uh the the kind of the the general

24:24 ↗ process of uh choosing the correct track

24:28 ↗ calling measure because we do have so

24:29 ↗ many different types of uh measures that

24:31 ↗ we can can draw upon um and I just want

24:35 ↗ to kind of go over those so the first

24:37 ↗ one uh is roadway setting uh and these

24:41 ↗ definitions are from the Federal Highway

24:42 ↗ Administration once again um this

24:46 ↗ roadway setting is kind of it's It's

24:48 ↗ Where where is the road Set uh Federal

24:50 ↗ Highway Administration defines this as

24:52 ↗ Urban versus rural obviously if we're

24:55 ↗ talking about isqua it's mostly Urban

24:57 ↗ there's a little bit of rural elements

24:59 ↗ to AA um but the example that they give

25:03 ↗ is you know uh the rumble strips

25:05 ↗ probably aren't the right thing to put

25:07 ↗ into to a residential neighborhood you

25:09 ↗ know so we have to think about the the

25:11 ↗ setting of of the roadway there's also a

25:14 ↗ roadway type um and this is uh you know

25:19 ↗ what what sort of roadway is it are we

25:22 ↗ looking at residential are we looking at

25:25 ↗ major minor materials um for example

25:28 ↗ speed tables probably not the best type

25:31 ↗ of traffic coling measure for a major

25:33 ↗ minor

25:35 ↗ material we also look at speed related

25:38 ↗ crash history we look at the you know

25:40 ↗ where when and what type of crashes are

25:42 ↗ happening in specific response and uh

25:46 ↗ you know specifically you know incidents

25:48 ↗ and intersections should be treated

25:50 ↗ differently than incidents you know a

25:52 ↗ you know a longer straight of way

25:54 ↗ there's just going to be different types

25:55 ↗ of measures that you that you put into

25:57 ↗ place

25:59 ↗ uh Road users are are are just that uh

26:02 ↗ is it is this the type of corridor

26:04 ↗ that's mostly cars with the occasional

26:06 ↗ pedestrian is it a pedestrian heavy

26:08 ↗ intersection you know taking that sort

26:10 ↗ of thing into

26:11 ↗ context cost of course is uh can be a

26:16 ↗ big restraint uh or a big limit

26:18 ↗ limitation depending on the specific

26:20 ↗ setting uh you know different traffic

26:23 ↗ cing measures cost different amounts of

26:26 ↗ money

26:28 ↗ and finally uh Effectiveness some

26:31 ↗ measures are more effective than others

26:33 ↗ uh for example uh those uh speed signs

26:37 ↗ that show speeds they they've been

26:38 ↗ proven to be very effective but their

26:41 ↗ effectiveness can go down so you have to

26:43 ↗ weigh are we going to you know spend the

26:45 ↗ money to install this type of traffic

26:47 ↗ calming only to see the effectiveness

26:49 ↗ drop off so just those sorts of

26:54 ↗ considerations I also wanted to touch on

26:57 ↗ the different between traffic calming

26:59 ↗ and traffic

27:00 ↗ control um so traffic calming is kind of

27:05 ↗ as I've been describing a set of design

27:06 ↗ and management strategies aimed at

27:08 ↗ reducing vehicle speeds and improving

27:11 ↗ safety for all Road users including

27:13 ↗ pedestrians uh and bicyclists and and

27:16 ↗ cars uh so those sorts of example or

27:19 ↗ sorts of traffic Cal the traffic calming

27:21 ↗ includes examples such as uh speed bumps

27:24 ↗ or sometimes speed humps as they're

27:26 ↗ sometimes called race crosswalks Road

27:29 ↗ narrowing traffic

27:31 ↗ circles traffic control is more focused

27:34 ↗ on Strategies employed to regulate guide

27:37 ↗ and manage traffic flow to ensure safety

27:39 ↗ and efficiency um so that's looking at

27:42 ↗ traffic signals stop signs yield signs

27:44 ↗ around the BS we've we've occasionally

27:46 ↗ gotten requests please put in traffic

27:48 ↗ calming put in a stop sign and that

27:50 ↗ doesn't fall within the traffic homeing

27:56 ↗ program so

27:58 ↗ with that introduction of kind of what

28:00 ↗ traffic cming is uh I really want to

28:02 ↗ dive into what isqua traffic hming

28:06 ↗ policy is right now um so it's titled

28:10 ↗ the neighborhood traffic hming program

28:12 ↗ oh

28:13 ↗ yeah sorry I can also save questions

28:16 ↗ until like completely after I didn't

28:17 ↗ know like when sorry sure we pause for

28:23 ↗ question it's a good seems like a good

28:24 ↗ transition go ahead er um are rumble

28:27 ↗ strips like they're aimed at more rural

28:30 ↗ because of the noise

28:33 ↗ or yeah uh rumble strips

28:37 ↗ are I don't think we would even probably

28:39 ↗ include them in in isqua uh policy just

28:43 ↗ because uh our policy is aimed at more

28:46 ↗ residential type streets so I apologize

28:49 ↗ actually I probably shouldn't have

28:50 ↗ included rumble strips in the narrative

28:52 ↗ but you know I wanted to include it for

28:54 ↗ the sake of of example you know we

28:56 ↗ wouldn't want to put those certain sorts

28:57 ↗ of things in in our neighborhoods

28:59 ↗ because of the noise because of the

29:01 ↗ Noise Okay question that's what seems

29:04 ↗ like to be effective you have have a

29:05 ↗ much longer span yeah exactly than a res

29:09 ↗ typical resent I had a question but did

29:11 ↗ anyone else a

29:13 ↗ question um would you say uh so I I

29:17 ↗ agree think the sunset

29:19 ↗ front pedestrian Crossing is a mess and

29:22 ↗ it is very long and ruing but would you

29:25 ↗ you just had a couple slides about the

29:27 ↗ different traffic calming and traffic

29:28 ↗ flow I'm guessing based on my

29:31 ↗ understanding of what I think of traffic

29:33 ↗ calming that is bad of an issue is that

29:36 ↗ is not really a calming issue it's more

29:39 ↗ of a management or a timing or a flow

29:42 ↗ issue would you agree with that I would

29:43 ↗ agree with that yes okay not saying that

29:46 ↗ yeah saying that's not something want to

29:48 ↗ look at but just right and that that's

29:51 ↗ why I asked earlier about maybe at our

29:53 ↗ next meeting we could as an example

29:56 ↗ intersection talk about

29:58 ↗ how the light timing is structured are

30:00 ↗ they triggered by inroad sensors or

30:03 ↗ something else and that could be uh that

30:06 ↗ could be a conversation or some sort of

30:07 ↗ update around its possibly um we'll have

30:11 ↗ to we'll have to take a look at that but

30:13 ↗ it wouldn't be included in any traffic

30:15 ↗ Comming not technically no n this policy

30:23 ↗ specific that's for another day

30:27 ↗ any other any other questions before we

30:30 ↗ we have is also has a traffic control

30:33 ↗ policy I assume I do we uh that's a

30:36 ↗ great question when you say traffic

30:38 ↗ control you just shared the difference

30:39 ↗ between traffic control and traffic

30:41 ↗ calming do we have we're talking this

30:43 ↗ call Traffic cing policy is there also

30:46 ↗ some equivalent policy for traffic

30:48 ↗ control that's a new it well I would say

30:52 ↗ we have standards that we follow for

30:55 ↗ that not necessarily a policy

30:57 ↗ now we do have a level of service

31:00 ↗ intersections as a

31:01 ↗ policy that there also are some elements

31:05 ↗ under its plan that are

31:08 ↗ developing um or at least having us work

31:12 ↗ through some policy where you know stuff

31:15 ↗ like leading pedestrian interval where

31:17 ↗ pedestrians get to go first before

31:19 ↗ turning traffic we get to go out signal

31:21 ↗ so there's some there there's some

31:23 ↗ things that we're going to look into and

31:24 ↗ and get more of a f the community and

31:26 ↗ the council as we work those so there is

31:28 ↗ some policy that's going to be developed

31:29 ↗ around it but it generally does default

31:31 ↗ to

31:35 ↗ standards maybe we should just pause for

31:38 ↗ a moment and introduce the newest stuff

31:47 ↗ yeah

31:49 ↗ uh Nick green um I've been with the city

31:52 ↗ for about a year now but just um last

31:55 ↗ month stepped into the uh traffic signal

31:58 ↗ operations engineer position replacing

32:00 ↗ Isabel and so John is continuing with

32:04 ↗ tab but I'm here as the kind of the

32:06 ↗ signal elements of things

32:08 ↗ and yeah and here for fun okay I want to

32:12 ↗ hear this I've worked in traffic cling

32:14 ↗ for years now and so I I was interested

32:16 ↗ to hear your guys's feedback and and

32:18 ↗ position on it

32:20 ↗ so thank you okay I think we're ready to

32:23 ↗ carry on thanks all right let's dive

32:25 ↗ into our policy

32:27 ↗ um so the the current policy uh is it's

32:32 ↗ the neighborhood traffic cing program uh

32:34 ↗ it was adopted in 2003 I know there's uh

32:37 ↗ there's some language out there I think

32:39 ↗ on the website something about 2017

32:41 ↗ there's been discussions that have

32:42 ↗ happened over time but the official

32:44 ↗ policy that we have in place is the 2003

32:48 ↗ policy um IT addresses local access

32:52 ↗ streets as it's called within the policy

32:55 ↗ uh and those are basically defined as

32:57 ↗ all roadways that are not principal

32:59 ↗ arterials minor arterials or collectors

33:02 ↗ so residential streets it's the only

33:03 ↗ thing that's left over uh within that

33:08 ↗ category the uh the policy includes this

33:11 ↗ map this is a 2003 MAP uh as you'll

33:15 ↗ notice uh Highlands not very built

33:19 ↗ out Talis not very built out I actually

33:22 ↗ went into Google Earth last week to to

33:25 ↗ see what it looked like in 20 3 and it's

33:27 ↗ mostly dirt in those areas there were a

33:30 ↗ few houses that were um allowed to be

33:32 ↗ occupied I think in 2003 2004 but that

33:36 ↗ at the time of the writing of this uh

33:39 ↗ policy this was it it was basically all

33:42 ↗ that was allowed uh under this policy is

33:44 ↗ everything that is uh Street that's not

33:47 ↗ filled in bold put it that way um we've

33:51 ↗ inferred from this map that uh any other

33:54 ↗ residential streets uh

33:57 ↗ are fall under this policy but this is

34:00 ↗ the this is the map that has been within

34:03 ↗ the policy for the last 20

34:07 ↗ years

34:09 ↗ uh oh I also want to note that uh

34:12 ↗ because of the um the no collectors rule

34:17 ↗ um all these bold streets which includes

34:20 ↗ the highway but there's a lot of streets

34:23 ↗ on considered collectors uh that we

34:26 ↗ can't do anything on so we will receive

34:28 ↗ traffic calming requests uh through our

34:32 ↗ system uh for example I don't know along

34:35 ↗ Mount Olympus up in squawk uh we if we

34:38 ↗ receive a request technically under our

34:39 ↗ current policy to to slow down traffic

34:42 ↗ on on Mount Olympus Drive we couldn't do

34:44 ↗ anything about it under this policy um

34:46 ↗ it just doesn't fall fall

34:49 ↗ in yes that's just an isal policy

34:54 ↗ there's not any other overarching

34:57 ↗ emergency or state law or other kind of

35:01 ↗ so it's just related to this policy

35:04 ↗ correct

35:06 ↗ yeah any other map questions I love map

35:10 ↗ questions

35:12 ↗ so

35:14 ↗ great uh so dive into the policy process

35:19 ↗ um so the the policy is divided into

35:24 ↗ well it's divided into several sections

35:25 ↗ but at the very basic it's divided into

35:28 ↗ two different

35:29 ↗ phases um and this this is so basically

35:33 ↗ I'm going to describe how the program

35:34 ↗ was designed to work under the 2003

35:38 ↗ conditions and resources that were

35:39 ↗ available at the time um I will touch on

35:42 ↗ how we do it now but I'm just going to

35:44 ↗ describe how How It Was Written

35:47 ↗ basically um so first uh this first

35:49 ↗ phase is focused on more non-fiscal

35:52 ↗ fixes um so basically uh the there's a

35:56 ↗ citizen action request form and there's

35:58 ↗ a brochure that was developed a citizen

36:01 ↗ would walk into I assume City Hall and

36:03 ↗ say hi I would like to request traffic

36:05 ↗ calming on my street and the whoever was

36:08 ↗ working the front desk would say great

36:09 ↗ here's a brochure and and an action form

36:12 ↗ please fill this out and read this

36:14 ↗ brocher uh the form would be submitted

36:17 ↗ and then traffic analysis would be

36:19 ↗ conducted by Public Works

36:21 ↗ engineering

36:23 ↗ um a you know using speed counter

36:27 ↗ if a problem is found based on that 85th

36:30 ↗ percentile speed which I'll get to in

36:32 ↗ the next slide um

36:35 ↗ then uh then basically the policy would

36:39 ↗ call for implementing striping and sign

36:41 ↗ changes

36:44 ↗ specifically uh after that if there's no

36:46 ↗ measurable change uh there would be a

36:48 ↗ neighborhood speed Watch program

36:51 ↗ instituted uh very basically uh the

36:54 ↗ police would provide a speed trailer for

36:56 ↗ that street uh Volunteers in the

36:59 ↗ neighborhood would be trained and to

37:01 ↗ monitor

37:02 ↗ speeds they would also be asked to

37:04 ↗ submit driver information for followup

37:06 ↗ by

37:08 ↗ police and then uh after that six-month

37:11 ↗ period if all of that is unsuccessful

37:14 ↗ then you would move to phase

37:15 ↗ two phase two is the physical piece so I

37:19 ↗ would call this the actual traffic cing

37:21 ↗ device uh analysis essentially um or

37:25 ↗ phase and and so then uh staff would

37:28 ↗ then uh conduct uh you know an analysis

37:32 ↗ of the street and uh and then they would

37:35 ↗ choose devices and then they would mail

37:37 ↗ surveys out to the the

37:40 ↗ neighborhood around the where of who

37:44 ↗ basically who the who the uh devices

37:47 ↗ would affect along that Corridor or

37:51 ↗ Street

37:52 ↗ uh a certain percent of residents would

37:55 ↗ must consent the to the installation uh

37:58 ↗ it's dependent on device under the

38:01 ↗ current traffic caling standards it's

38:03 ↗ mostly a 60% approval uh there are two

38:06 ↗ devices that call for a 70% approval so

38:09 ↗ it's not

38:10 ↗ consistent um then they would be

38:12 ↗ installed and then there would be an

38:14 ↗ evaluation after one

38:16 ↗ year so that's that's the policy yeah so

38:19 ↗ approval is based on who lives in that

38:23 ↗ neighborhood and in this current policy

38:26 ↗ because it's residential only there's no

38:28 ↗ basically through traffic roads that are

38:30 ↗ included right okay so then that makes

38:33 ↗ sense

38:34 ↗ why correct people that are just that

38:38 ↗ are otherwise using the road aren't

38:39 ↗ included in the correct yeah

38:42 ↗ theoretically the people who are using

38:44 ↗ the road neighor and they would probably

38:47 ↗ be complaining

38:50 ↗ about they're also but if but in the

38:52 ↗ case of collectors stakeholders are far

38:55 ↗ more than just the neighborhood see what

39:00 ↗ absolutely I I just wanted to clarify

39:03 ↗ something in phase one yeah where it it

39:07 ↗ says the traffic analysis field review

39:11 ↗ so you're saying if the speeds are

39:13 ↗ already under 25 miles per hour at 85

39:17 ↗ percental speed you don't do anything is

39:20 ↗ that true well I can answer that

39:22 ↗ question with this

39:24 ↗ slide so basically the 85th percentile

39:28 ↗ speed as John mentioned um it refers to

39:32 ↗ the speed at which 85% of the vehicles

39:34 ↗ on a street are traveling at or

39:37 ↗ below um so trying to think of the best

39:41 ↗ way to how to explain this um

39:45 ↗ so on any so get putting out traffic

39:49 ↗ counters uh which counts how fast

39:51 ↗ vehicles are

39:53 ↗ going uh it counts it keeps track of how

39:56 ↗ many vehicles and what speed they are

39:58 ↗ going and if

40:01 ↗ 85% of vehicles are going let's see it's

40:05 ↗ say it's a 25 M hour and it's

40:10 ↗ a the 85th percentile is 33 miles hour

40:14 ↗ that

40:15 ↗ means 85% of vehicles are traveling at

40:19 ↗ 33 miles an hour or

40:21 ↗ under they're 15% are going faster than

40:25 ↗ that but the 85th percentile is that

40:28 ↗ that

40:29 ↗ threshold which uh gets me to the second

40:32 ↗ part of the slide uh under the under the

40:35 ↗ current

40:36 ↗ policy for for the most part there's

40:38 ↗ some couple of weird traffic devices

40:41 ↗ that we have kind of left off here

40:42 ↗ because it's hard to explain or

40:44 ↗ understand uh but for the most part the

40:48 ↗ 85th percentile has to be 10 miles hour

40:51 ↗ over in residential areas and in school

40:53 ↗ zones and 8 miles an hour next Parks so

40:57 ↗ that means in order for this physical

41:00 ↗ device phase of traffic calming to be

41:03 ↗ triggered in thisa uh 85th percentile

41:06 ↗ has to be 35 miles hour

41:11 ↗ over okay which I have my own feelings

41:13 ↗ about

41:14 ↗ but so does that explain it explain

41:19 ↗ exactly nothing happens nothing happens

41:23 ↗ yeah and it has no bearing on

41:27 ↗ volume or the size of the vehicle so

41:30 ↗ that person who came like what was that

41:34 ↗ in October and was upset about um 7th

41:40 ↗ Avenue um he specifically said they were

41:43 ↗ heavy trucks that were going from

41:46 ↗ Safeway and doing deliveries that were

41:50 ↗ driving on there instead of going on to

41:52 ↗ Newport Way first right and they would

41:55 ↗ and so that doesn't address that issue

41:59 ↗ yeah what sorry kind of gets at your

42:01 ↗ point I think you I'm not I know was not

42:06 ↗ I think I

42:07 ↗ know this so what percent you mentioned

42:11 ↗ earlier that a lot of them when they go

42:13 ↗ and actually do the study they find that

42:15 ↗ they're 25 miles per hour below so what

42:18 ↗ percent are excluded because they're at

42:23 ↗ 11 plus miles an hour or sorry nine or

42:28 ↗ less so you you you get 100 requests a

42:32 ↗ year I'm making up numbers right 100

42:34 ↗ requests a year and you go and you do

42:36 ↗ this and then you find a certain percent

42:38 ↗ of

42:40 ↗ them they are that 85th percentile point

42:44 ↗ is at just exclude Parks right now nine

42:47 ↗ miles an hour above the speed limit or

42:49 ↗ less and so those aren't included right

42:52 ↗ now and if you change that threshold

42:55 ↗ some portion of those would be included

42:57 ↗ is that like you know like if you bring

42:59 ↗ the number down to 5 miles an hour all

43:01 ↗ of a sudden you double them amount that

43:03 ↗ are included or it actually only moves

43:06 ↗ the needle a tiny bit because that's an

43:08 ↗ important thing to know when it comes to

43:10 ↗ if if most of the time they're within

43:13 ↗ five yeah then that's a big difference

43:15 ↗ and it most of the time they're really

43:16 ↗ at like nine or eight and so we just

43:18 ↗ need to think about

43:21 ↗ that since I have taken over the brok I

43:26 ↗ would say

43:27 ↗ that well I address this I think maybe

43:30 ↗ the next slide yeah um since since I

43:35 ↗ have taken over the program last year uh

43:38 ↗ I have never made it to phase two we

43:40 ↗ have done tons of different studies on

43:43 ↗ different roads that people have

43:45 ↗ requested uh it's never been on

43:49 ↗ a never on a residential street has

43:51 ↗ there been a 35 M hour or greater

43:54 ↗ threshold met

43:56 ↗ um or next I don't think we done any

43:59 ↗ next to Parks so I might be missing some

44:02 ↗ off the top of my head I can think of

44:04 ↗ two examples and they were both on

44:06 ↗ collectors Talis drive cars go the speed

44:10 ↗ limit heading up the hill the speed

44:13 ↗ limit is 25 and they're usually having

44:15 ↗ about 35 and 12th heading up towards

44:19 ↗ squawk very similar situation so so I'm

44:23 ↗ still very interested and maybe this is

44:25 ↗ something to come back uh next time we

44:27 ↗ talk this to see I would like to see

44:29 ↗ like if that number was we can just look

44:31 ↗ at the 10 m hour one to make it easy if

44:33 ↗ it was nine you'd get this additional

44:36 ↗ percent if it was eight this additional

44:37 ↗ percent because I also don't want us to

44:39 ↗ overreact we see 10 and we're like let's

44:41 ↗ make it zero right well it turns out

44:43 ↗ that really our issue is this seven or

44:46 ↗ eight mile per hour plus there's some

44:48 ↗ demarcation Point um so I'd be

44:51 ↗ interested in in seeing that I I'm

44:53 ↗ always when when I hear these things I

44:54 ↗ do I do pick up a little little bit on

44:56 ↗ it sometimes sounds like you know people

44:58 ↗ are driving 35 there's also this other

45:00 ↗ question of maybe this is a more

45:02 ↗ important Road for through traffic

45:04 ↗ whatever that we think but that's a

45:06 ↗ separate Point yeah that's fair um and

45:09 ↗ just off the top of my head I would

45:12 ↗ say for the for the vast majority of our

45:15 ↗ studies they're

45:18 ↗ within they're between 19 miles an hour

45:21 ↗ and I would say like 27 miles an hour

45:23 ↗ probably which most people would

45:25 ↗ consider

45:26 ↗ reasonable speed I think we're probably

45:28 ↗ we're all more concerned about the ones

45:29 ↗ that are at nine and we're missing those

45:32 ↗ like and they they they are there

45:33 ↗ there's one specific road that we did a

45:36 ↗ study on if we can we can get into

45:39 ↗ specific examples and which roads they

45:41 ↗ are later date probably um but the the

45:45 ↗ threat they met I think it was like 34.2

45:48 ↗ miles hour yeah those are the ones we

45:51 ↗ clearly so they do exist yeah yeah

45:54 ↗ actually we' mentioned seventh that is a

45:57 ↗ good example of one that is just under

45:59 ↗ the

46:01 ↗ threshold when you consider the speed

46:04 ↗ limits 20 miles an hour because you're

46:05 ↗ near the school yeah and the reason why

46:08 ↗ I think that that that 10 might be such

46:10 ↗ an important number is it's think

46:13 ↗ there's was that nine-year fine 10e mine

46:16 ↗ or whatever there's like there's a lot

46:17 ↗ of people that believe that there's this

46:19 ↗ like once you go even I think our

46:21 ↗ speeding laws there's certain numbers

46:23 ↗ where once you go above it's

46:25 ↗ significantly that's why I really care

46:27 ↗ about being careful about that tuning as

46:30 ↗ opposed to reacting

46:33 ↗ quickly there any other triggers for the

46:36 ↗ um phase one to go into action because I

46:38 ↗ feel like especially like I drive to

46:40 ↗ squa every morning like the high school

46:43 ↗ and a lot of times traffic's barely

46:44 ↗ moving but there's so much traffic

46:46 ↗ volume that it could be difficult for

46:48 ↗ pedestrians to cross the road and

46:50 ↗ bicyclist to navigate the street safely

46:53 ↗ so are there any other triggers that can

46:55 ↗ be implemented to um help

46:59 ↗ maybe uh focus on other issues that

47:03 ↗ could need fixing by uh traffic caling

47:07 ↗ that is a great question under the

47:09 ↗ current policy no it's all speed um but

47:13 ↗ that's also something that we would love

47:14 ↗ to look at uh for the new the new policy

47:16 ↗ but a lot of that would fall under

47:17 ↗ traffic control anyways uh you're

47:20 ↗ talking

47:23 ↗ light bike Lanes is that traffic control

47:26 ↗ or out at least outside of what traffic

47:29 ↗ calming is

47:31 ↗ it it depends I mean yeah it depends on

47:33 ↗ the situation yeah I was just gonna say

47:38 ↗ something that you know the the policy

47:40 ↗ could not necessarily have to be speeded

47:42 ↗ could be the type of vehicles and the

47:46 ↗ number of vehicles and I don't know if

47:48 ↗ that counter measures the size of the

47:51 ↗ vehicles does it like you know if it's a

47:54 ↗ truck that's going on the road or

47:57 ↗ generally we when we do traffic counts

47:58 ↗ we get a classification of vehicles so

48:02 ↗ typically I mean depends on the device

48:03 ↗ that we deploy right we can see

48:06 ↗ passenger vehicles and that's just what

48:07 ↗ everyday folks are driving pickup trucks

48:10 ↗ SUVs Passenger cars those are small

48:12 ↗ enough that's a little bit harder to

48:14 ↗ distinguish there's some equipment that

48:15 ↗ can based on the wheelbase but it's and

48:19 ↗ that's mostly what is being looked at

48:21 ↗ you know when you see the tubes on the

48:23 ↗ road and it drives over it that can

48:25 ↗ measure the distance between the

48:26 ↗ wheelbase and tell you the general type

48:28 ↗ of vehicle that is based on it now

48:30 ↗ that's not also guaranteed like you take

48:32 ↗ a school bus that platform is an

48:35 ↗ industrial platform called the s30

48:37 ↗ that's put on multiple Vehicles so we

48:39 ↗ see a school bus go across we don't

48:41 ↗ necessarily know if that's a box truck

48:42 ↗ or school bus but we have General

48:44 ↗ classifications that we do get through

48:45 ↗ that system so so based on our

48:49 ↗ discussion today we were going to maybe

48:51 ↗ develop a different policy and not have

48:54 ↗ speed being being

48:56 ↗ issue is that what you're thinking

48:59 ↗ excellent to do

49:03 ↗ that all right any

49:06 ↗ other how many how many requests do you

49:10 ↗ get here roughly up the top of your head

49:12 ↗ and how many finish phase

49:14 ↗ one that's a good question I think look

49:18 ↗ trying get I have a spreadsheet my head

49:20 ↗ yeah

49:22 ↗ um no no it's probably probably

49:26 ↗ 10 or 20 I would say that go through the

49:29 ↗ process at least through through my

49:32 ↗ process I get a lot of traffic

49:34 ↗ neighborhood traffic requests is the

49:36 ↗ designation that I oversee which is our

49:38 ↗ neighborhood traffic coming um I would

49:41 ↗ say three qus of those end up going to

49:43 ↗ police because they're just requests

49:45 ↗ about hey someone was speeding on my

49:47 ↗ street and I don't like it you know um

49:50 ↗ but for the other quarter of requests um

49:54 ↗ we'll go through the those um I think I

49:57 ↗ think the last year probably

50:00 ↗ had 15 or 20 different speed studies

50:03 ↗ done so it's not too many not too many

50:07 ↗ 15 or 20 is not but is but are they

50:10 ↗ different streets or they the same ones

50:13 ↗ every year that is oh actually that's a

50:14 ↗ good point um so we will get requests

50:17 ↗ from uh from different people on the

50:19 ↗ same in the same area and we use the

50:23 ↗ studies that we've we have done to

50:25 ↗ answer their question uh

50:28 ↗ because very basically when it comes to

50:30 ↗ traffic speeds um there is also public

50:34 ↗ perception a popular public perception

50:36 ↗ that oh your speed study was done in

50:38 ↗ 2019 it's well can you do an updated one

50:42 ↗ it won't change very much at all um even

50:44 ↗ if we spent the resources on it so um I

50:48 ↗ think I think the oldest study I've

50:50 ↗ probably used is what 2017 it's probably

50:52 ↗ the oldest one that I've used but

50:54 ↗ they're they're just they're reliable

50:56 ↗ oh Erica's got her hand up and I think

50:58 ↗ Julian had his hand up and I don't know

50:59 ↗ who did it

51:03 ↗ first Erica go ahead can you hear us

51:06 ↗ well yeah I can hear everyone great um

51:09 ↗ uh I was gonna ask and maybe we'll get

51:11 ↗ to this at uh later part in the

51:13 ↗ presentation about the uh 60% threshold

51:17 ↗ like neighborhood buying kind of in

51:18 ↗ order for this to even start um like how

51:22 ↗ often has that been like a barrier to

51:25 ↗ something starting or just because I

51:27 ↗ know like broadly assistant engagement

51:30 ↗ can be difficult so I'm just curious

51:32 ↗ what yeah like if that's been an issue

51:35 ↗ or

51:36 ↗ not it's a great question because I've

51:38 ↗ never made it that

51:40 ↗ far I've I've made it that far in other

51:44 ↗ communities um

51:46 ↗ and I've also implemented phase two

51:50 ↗ elements that then we had massive

51:52 ↗ Community push back after they went in

51:55 ↗ and we had to go back and take elements

51:56 ↗ out and and and that's what in in that

52:00 ↗ Community drove to hey we want you know

52:03 ↗ this percentage of the community

52:05 ↗ involvement and so they can be very

52:07 ↗ divisive within the neighborhood and

52:10 ↗ it's a lot of money and time for us to

52:11 ↗ put them in and so we want to make sure

52:13 ↗ everyone is in agreeance that hey this

52:15 ↗ is beneficial to the neighborhood before

52:17 ↗ you take the time and spend the money to

52:19 ↗ do all

52:21 ↗ that um Julian yeah uh

52:25 ↗ so one of our public commenters was

52:27 ↗ mentioning this small capital projects U

52:32 ↗ project that we

52:36 ↗ have it was 300,000 this year next year

52:40 ↗ it's I want to say 218,000 give or take

52:43 ↗ so these are not really being spent oh

52:47 ↗ they're being spent yeah so that was an

52:50 ↗ item that we brought to the tab and we

52:52 ↗ asked what to prioritize and so the new

52:55 ↗ new LED signs for no right on red at

52:58 ↗ East Lake mamish Parkway and Southeast

53:01 ↗ 56 those were installed with that

53:04 ↗ project and the direction we were given

53:06 ↗ was to work on sidewalk gaps so we got a

53:10 ↗ project on Andrews which is filling in a

53:14 ↗ sidewalk re another one on Juniper where

53:17 ↗ there was sidewalk but there was a gap

53:19 ↗ in the shared use path for the maple

53:23 ↗ Juniper Trail got that working under

53:26 ↗ construction near completion and there's

53:29 ↗ a sidewalk gap on Second Avenue where a

53:33 ↗ little shared use path was constructed

53:35 ↗ so from the same pot as the small

53:37 ↗ strategic projects it's not its own

53:39 ↗ standal on line item is that

53:41 ↗ correct the small strategy oh no no we

53:45 ↗ don't have a a line item for traffic

53:47 ↗ cing it comes from the same pot as a

53:49 ↗ small strategic it it

53:52 ↗ can and I I have been told that

53:56 ↗ I think that budget spoken forth for

53:58 ↗ 2027 because I asked that question hey

54:01 ↗ what have something popped up and we

54:02 ↗ need to pay for it so we do have it

54:05 ↗ spoken for per 24 23 and 24 okay 25 we

54:10 ↗ don't have it maybe 25 felt like

54:15 ↗ 27 and I will say well actually I I'll

54:18 ↗ wait two slides because I'll talk a

54:20 ↗ little bit about what we've done in the

54:22 ↗ past about traffic

54:24 ↗ Comming

54:28 ↗ yeah okay

54:31 ↗ great uh all right so yeah we've touched

54:34 ↗ on a little bit of this uh in the

54:36 ↗ questions but

54:39 ↗ um so the way that this policy so was

54:42 ↗ written in 2003 different time uh now

54:47 ↗ nowadays the way the policy is um

54:50 ↗ implemented or how it runs is it's all

54:52 ↗ virtual now there's no form that you

54:54 ↗ have to walk in the city hall and grab

54:56 ↗ there's no brochure anymore because it's

54:59 ↗ we just use our CC fix system and people

55:01 ↗ report

55:02 ↗ it uh there is a lack of resources for

55:04 ↗ Speed trailer deployment um I finally

55:09 ↗ after a year of asking police for a

55:10 ↗ speed trailer I finally got one deployed

55:13 ↗ on College like two months ago um I

55:16 ↗ asked hey how long could you put it out

55:19 ↗ for the policy says six months how about

55:22 ↗ a month they laughed I think it was like

55:24 ↗ two weeks a week to week specs um and

55:27 ↗ that's just due to police resources and

55:30 ↗ whatnot um and then as I mentioned

55:32 ↗ before I've never made it to phase two

55:34 ↗ uh since I've taken the program

55:38 ↗ over

55:43 ↗ um I also after I put this slide

55:46 ↗ together I also want to note that going

55:49 ↗ back through the original policy and how

55:51 ↗ it's written it's not not even that I

55:53 ↗ haven't made it to phase two I haven't

55:55 ↗ even made it past the initial 85th

55:58 ↗ percentile data collection so it's not

56:00 ↗ we haven't even gotten to like the

56:01 ↗ striping or sign portion but I think we

56:04 ↗ mentioned that um and I want to mention

56:09 ↗ that like even if we did make it past

56:11 ↗ that stage I think we would have to have

56:13 ↗ a very serious discussion about that

56:15 ↗ neighborhood speedwatch program and how

56:18 ↗ that could even happen because I I think

56:20 ↗ it would probably be somewhat Pro

56:22 ↗ problematic but anyway I'll leave that

56:27 ↗ there um important notes uh again the

56:32 ↗ current policy is focus on speeds uh it

56:35 ↗ only uses strategies and mitigations

56:36 ↗ that are one-sided it only really focus

56:38 ↗ on speed as we mentioned it doesn't have

56:40 ↗ the pass through raid or or you know

56:42 ↗ anything to to mitigate

56:45 ↗ in and now I will pass it over to John

56:47 ↗ to talk about some of the history

56:49 ↗ because he knows a lot more about the

56:50 ↗ history of this program

56:52 ↗ exactly yeah so we we actually have been

56:55 ↗ talking a lot about how we have not

56:57 ↗ reached the thresholds but we've

57:00 ↗ actually done some traffic cing even in

57:03 ↗ situations where we have not met those

57:05 ↗ thresholds and wanted to go over a

57:06 ↗ little bit of the history of what we've

57:08 ↗ done I'm going to actually talk about

57:10 ↗ what we did in the highlands what we did

57:11 ↗ in Oldtown and then I've got a few other

57:14 ↗ things I'll mention as well that aren't

57:15 ↗ on the there so in the esa Highlands

57:20 ↗ believe this was in

57:23 ↗ 2018 there was

57:25 ↗ had a public meeting about traffic and

57:28 ↗ heard a wide variety of traffic concerns

57:31 ↗ and some of them were about speeds some

57:35 ↗ of them were

57:36 ↗ about other safety which more the

57:39 ↗ traffic control and so what we did is we

57:43 ↗ worked with the community up there with

57:45 ↗ some residents with the homeowners

57:49 ↗ association and we did a number of

57:51 ↗ things we worked with the esa Highlands

57:57 ↗ ihca that's the HOA up there and we got

58:00 ↗ pedestrian Flags installed at some

58:02 ↗ pedestrian Crossings there were some

58:04 ↗ locations where there were cars turning

58:08 ↗ right on red and there wasn't very good

58:09 ↗ sight distance so we made it so that way

58:12 ↗ there' be no rights on reds we did a

58:15 ↗ education campaign there were signs all

58:17 ↗ over the

58:19 ↗ highlands people to I can't remember the

58:22 ↗ exact message but things like with care

58:25 ↗ type things um we deployed temporary

58:29 ↗ radar speed signs on 24th and 25th those

58:33 ↗ are two residential streets that have

58:35 ↗ faster

58:38 ↗ traffic cars go close to 30 m an hour

58:42 ↗ there some spots a little bit above 30

58:44 ↗ miles an hour but we also painted 25 M

58:49 ↗ an hour to remind on the road and big

58:53 ↗ numbers so people could see the speed

58:56 ↗ and installed reflectors that because

59:00 ↗ one of the things we had was Cars

59:01 ↗ turning the wrong way on the runway

59:02 ↗ streets so we installed reflectors where

59:05 ↗ if you went the wrong way it would be

59:06 ↗ red instead of

59:08 ↗ white and we fixed the what we call the

59:11 ↗ zipper merge so if you're heading up

59:13 ↗ Park Drive towards like Blakeley Hall

59:17 ↗ where the cars would merge where you go

59:19 ↗ from two lanes to one it actually wasn't

59:21 ↗ designed to meet standard and a lot of

59:24 ↗ times neighbors would be racing each

59:25 ↗ other to try and get to the merge point

59:28 ↗ and so we we fixed it and it it

59:30 ↗ functions a lot

59:32 ↗ better now Oldtown was also right around

59:35 ↗ the time same time period

59:38 ↗ and the the problem in Old Town is that

59:42 ↗ traffic gets so

59:43 ↗ congested usually on front second and

59:47 ↗ Sunset and so what people end up doing

59:51 ↗ is they'll turn off onto Bush and six

59:54 ↗ then sometimes Andrews or Alder and

59:57 ↗ they'll cut through the neighborhood and

1:00:00 ↗ this was a situation where the speeds

1:00:02 ↗ did not meet the 35 miles an hour we've

1:00:07 ↗ never had speeds that fast in Oldtown I

1:00:09 ↗ went this morning and I looked on Bush

1:00:11 ↗ we had speeds about 29 miles an

1:00:15 ↗ hour back before we did any of the

1:00:17 ↗ traffic coming and so we did something a

1:00:19 ↗ little bit different there we did a

1:00:21 ↗ pilot project where we installed all

1:00:24 ↗ kinds of different temporary traffic

1:00:26 ↗ control device or traffic cing devices

1:00:28 ↗ we got rubber speed humps sometimes they

1:00:31 ↗ were in a speed table where you go up

1:00:35 ↗ and it'd be flat and then back down we

1:00:37 ↗ had speed cushions so that way there' be

1:00:40 ↗ an opening in

1:00:43 ↗ between the devices we tried a speed

1:00:46 ↗ Circle we tried

1:00:48 ↗ chicanes um which is

1:00:50 ↗ where you add curve and you make it un

1:00:54 ↗ comfortable where basically you have to

1:00:56 ↗ slow down because if you don't and two

1:00:58 ↗ cars going at each other they would hit

1:01:00 ↗ each other in Narrows of the road and so

1:01:03 ↗ we measured the effectiveness of the

1:01:05 ↗ different devices for example the

1:01:08 ↗ chicanes work great but on street

1:01:11 ↗ parking is a premium in Oldtown so the

1:01:14 ↗ community absolutely hated them because

1:01:17 ↗ it took away

1:01:19 ↗ parking the speed humps were by far the

1:01:22 ↗ most popular and so that's what ended up

1:01:25 ↗ going with for the majority of the

1:01:26 ↗ neighborhood in the end it looked like

1:01:30 ↗ the speeds went from about 29 miles an

1:01:34 ↗ hour and they dropped about 3 miles an

1:01:36 ↗ hour so now it's

1:01:39 ↗ 25.8 was the most recent data that I

1:01:42 ↗ ended up

1:01:44 ↗ finding and that was on Bush now there's

1:01:47 ↗ other spots too I just did a spot check

1:01:49 ↗ on

1:01:51 ↗ Bush did the flow change so initially it

1:01:55 ↗ did but now it's back up higher than it

1:01:59 ↗ was

1:02:00 ↗ before so was there action taken to

1:02:04 ↗ resolve the actual root cause being the

1:02:07 ↗ backup that was causing people to divert

1:02:11 ↗ oh what a great

1:02:12 ↗ question we we have worked on it so in

1:02:15 ↗ the morning and there there's more

1:02:18 ↗ problems because in the afternoon

1:02:20 ↗ there's a

1:02:22 ↗ problem but in the morning morning what

1:02:25 ↗ we found is the problem was the traffic

1:02:29 ↗ heading to school because the middle

1:02:32 ↗ school and high school are right next to

1:02:33 ↗ each other and their bell times are 10

1:02:36 ↗ or 15 minutes

1:02:38 ↗ apart and what we found is when cars get

1:02:42 ↗ to Evans there's parking off of Evans

1:02:46 ↗ and the buses turn at Evans and there's

1:02:49 ↗ a very busy crosswalk at Evans so

1:02:52 ↗ everything kind of centers around Evans

1:02:54 ↗ happens where the buses will be waiting

1:02:57 ↗ to turn left and that'll back up cars

1:03:00 ↗ then the bus finally turns left and then

1:03:03 ↗ a group of kids will go across the

1:03:05 ↗ crosswalk and then backs up cars some

1:03:06 ↗ more and

1:03:08 ↗ then a parent will decide that they're

1:03:11 ↗ going to turn left because they want to

1:03:14 ↗ drop off their kid and their kid doesn't

1:03:15 ↗ want to be seen with their

1:03:18 ↗ parent and so they'll turn left and but

1:03:22 ↗ while they're turning left at the same

1:03:24 ↗ time cars are leaving because the kids

1:03:26 ↗ who aren't embarrassed by their

1:03:28 ↗ parents they have their parents have

1:03:30 ↗ dropped off their kids and they are

1:03:33 ↗ heading back to the

1:03:35 ↗ north and so while they're waiting while

1:03:38 ↗ the cars are heading to the north

1:03:40 ↗ they're waiting for their left and it

1:03:41 ↗ just keeps backing up further and

1:03:44 ↗ further and it it reaches second Sunset

1:03:48 ↗ and then it starts heading towards the

1:03:49 ↗ highlands and then cars start cutting

1:03:52 ↗ through on the bush and then it starts

1:03:55 ↗ backing up on the bush and it makes the

1:03:57 ↗ shape of an e which describes kind of

1:04:00 ↗ the way traffic's FL so we have done a

1:04:04 ↗ wi quite a bit of things to try and

1:04:06 ↗ improve the situation we actually made

1:04:08 ↗ it so that way only buses during the

1:04:10 ↗ morning commute can turn left because

1:04:13 ↗ they need to for the bus circulation but

1:04:15 ↗ what we didn't want was for

1:04:18 ↗ the the people who are parking back

1:04:20 ↗ there or the parents of embarrassed kids

1:04:24 ↗ to be turning left there we also

1:04:27 ↗ installed a gate so that way during the

1:04:29 ↗ school year the DAR neighborhood isn't

1:04:31 ↗ getting cut through traffic because

1:04:33 ↗ people were cutting they're turning onto

1:04:35 ↗ darst instead of onto Evans and we

1:04:38 ↗ worked with the school district to

1:04:39 ↗ change the circulation inside the school

1:04:42 ↗ made some improvements we made it so

1:04:44 ↗ that way there's no right on red leaving

1:04:47 ↗ the school and the reason for that is to

1:04:49 ↗ try and give a bigger gap for the school

1:04:51 ↗ buses to turn

1:04:52 ↗ left I'm going to say it helped it

1:04:55 ↗ didn't solve the problem another problem

1:04:57 ↗ that we do have is the queue from the

1:05:00 ↗ left turning traffic going from Sunset

1:05:03 ↗ to second that the left turn Lane's not

1:05:06 ↗ long enough and so what ends up

1:05:09 ↗ happening

1:05:10 ↗ is so for example let's say you're want

1:05:13 ↗ to go from the highlands to the

1:05:14 ↗ community

1:05:16 ↗ center or maybe you're going to go work

1:05:18 ↗ out or play pickle ball or something

1:05:21 ↗ and the traffic on

1:05:25 ↗ Sunset that's turning left on to second

1:05:29 ↗ is backed up so far that you can't go I

1:05:34 ↗ guess maybe I shouldn't have said going

1:05:35 ↗ to the community center but let's say

1:05:36 ↗ you're going to the library um but it's

1:05:40 ↗ backed up so far that you can't go

1:05:42 ↗ straight on Sunset because the que is

1:05:44 ↗ blocking it now we don't

1:05:47 ↗ have fix for that right now but that is

1:05:50 ↗ another problem that does cause that and

1:05:53 ↗ I will also say that of our traffic

1:05:55 ↗ signals in the city one of our worst and

1:05:57 ↗ maybe our worst performing signal is

1:05:59 ↗ sunset in front too so it's it's a

1:06:03 ↗ difficult traffic area um and so the

1:06:07 ↗ residents do get the cut through

1:06:12 ↗ traffic did I did I answer that yes you

1:06:14 ↗ did thank

1:06:17 ↗ you infinitely interesting um we do have

1:06:22 ↗ luxury of time mostly tonight but will

1:06:24 ↗ we do want to make sure we have enough

1:06:26 ↗ time to talk about some of the goals and

1:06:28 ↗ some of the higher level issues because

1:06:30 ↗ it's easy to dive into these very

1:06:33 ↗ interesting details especially it's so

1:06:35 ↗ front center for so many of us but thank

1:06:38 ↗ you for that okay so let me go I'm going

1:06:41 ↗ to take two more minutes to talk about

1:06:43 ↗ other things we do have the safety

1:06:45 ↗ bundle it is part of the community

1:06:48 ↗ investment strategy that is using arpa

1:06:50 ↗ funds to try and improve safety

1:06:52 ↗ throughout the city and there's a number

1:06:54 ↗ of safety improvements throughout the

1:06:57 ↗ city and one of them will be a race

1:06:58 ↗ crosswalk on 12th at um furwood that's a

1:07:05 ↗ location where we do have a pedestrian

1:07:07 ↗ Crossing and lots of like 35 mile on

1:07:10 ↗ hour traffic so we are going to try and

1:07:12 ↗ calm traffic at that crosswalk and on

1:07:14 ↗ Newport Way between sr900 and Southeast

1:07:18 ↗ 54th Street we've got a big Corridor

1:07:20 ↗ project that will be doing a lot of

1:07:22 ↗ things to try and slow traffic down to

1:07:25 ↗ get it to go closer to or to get it to

1:07:28 ↗ go 25 miles an hour the Newport Way was

1:07:31 ↗ once a state highway and sometimes

1:07:34 ↗ people drive it as it's still a state

1:07:36 ↗ highway instead of the urban street that

1:07:39 ↗ it's become and we have installed a ra

1:07:42 ↗ crosswalk at the King County trail head

1:07:45 ↗ the corridor project does have more

1:07:46 ↗ raised intersections as well and

1:07:50 ↗ so I guess those are three examples of

1:07:53 ↗ where despite the current policy we have

1:07:55 ↗ done something or are going to do

1:07:57 ↗ something we're in Newport Way we've got

1:07:59 ↗ a raised

1:08:01 ↗ intersection on 12 we're going to put a

1:08:04 ↗ rais crosswalk and in Oldtown we did put

1:08:07 ↗ speed humps even though we did not meet

1:08:09 ↗ the speed

1:08:11 ↗ threshold what about using um static

1:08:14 ↗ radar station don't they discourage

1:08:18 ↗ drivers to slow

1:08:20 ↗ down and Achieve what we're looking for

1:08:24 ↗ well the feed speed like the signs that

1:08:27 ↗ we have that

1:08:29 ↗ show how fast someone's going sign like

1:08:33 ↗ the cameras speed cameras you have in

1:08:35 ↗ school areas oh they give

1:08:38 ↗ tickets yeah whether they give tickets

1:08:41 ↗ or it's something that controls the

1:08:44 ↗ drivers they would know they beIN if

1:08:46 ↗ they exceed a certain speed limit so I

1:08:50 ↗ haven't heard that into all of the

1:08:52 ↗ solution that not come common to be used

1:08:55 ↗ so in Washington state it is a new thing

1:08:59 ↗ where you can do it outside of a school

1:09:01 ↗ zone up until I don't know maybe a year

1:09:04 ↗ or two ago it was only allowed in school

1:09:06 ↗ zones and so as a city we have not

1:09:11 ↗ evaluated a policy towards radar or not

1:09:15 ↗ rad

1:09:17 ↗ um yeah the speed cameras but we do have

1:09:20 ↗ one on second in the school zone but we

1:09:22 ↗ have not looked at it since the state

1:09:23 ↗ lot

1:09:26 ↗ changed jumping off that point um I was

1:09:30 ↗ interested to see I was spending summer

1:09:35 ↗ inia some of the villages there some of

1:09:38 ↗ the Cities there have

1:09:40 ↗ four-door speed cameras where they

1:09:43 ↗ measur instead of measuring speed at

1:09:46 ↗ one speed cameras

1:09:50 ↗ yeah measure yeah they measure your

1:09:54 ↗ speed going throughout the entire town

1:09:56 ↗ if you

1:09:58 ↗ see to go driving down that fast then

1:10:01 ↗ they mail you interesting that's that's

1:10:05 ↗ one way of you know the driver avoiding

1:10:07 ↗ seeing the post of the uh speed camera

1:10:11 ↗ so they have like different posts on

1:10:12 ↗ different distances and they calculate

1:10:14 ↗ the average once he exceeds that he gets

1:10:22 ↗ fin thanks for sharing

1:10:26 ↗ so I I just wanted to make a statement

1:10:29 ↗ so Newport weighs like an arterial or

1:10:32 ↗ collector a minor arterial yeah and so

1:10:35 ↗ then but you did do traffic cing there

1:10:40 ↗ even though the the traffic cing policy

1:10:44 ↗ mentioned don't do that on our right so

1:10:48 ↗ you don't

1:10:50 ↗ always what I'm trying to say yes and no

1:10:52 ↗ I'm glad you brought that up because

1:10:53 ↗ that is one of the things is there are

1:10:56 ↗ inconsistencies it was important to do

1:10:59 ↗ that

1:11:00 ↗ on

1:11:01 ↗ and is it I guess the question that I've

1:11:05 ↗ always had in my mind is is it fair to

1:11:07 ↗ one

1:11:09 ↗ neighborhood to be told no because we're

1:11:12 ↗ versus another neighborhood gets it I

1:11:14 ↗ mean I want it to be a fair policy how

1:11:18 ↗ do you make it

1:11:19 ↗ fair so then on you start talking or

1:11:22 ↗ materials and other

1:11:24 ↗ or transport from point to point then it

1:11:27 ↗ may benefit that direct neighborhood but

1:11:29 ↗ it hurts everyone else that uses

1:11:32 ↗ that LE the W wash doot policy seem to

1:11:36 ↗ recognize

1:11:38 ↗ that the main users of our roads are

1:11:43 ↗ cars and that we need to be thoughtful

1:11:46 ↗ about trying to achieve you know goals

1:11:50 ↗ of safety in pedestrian and other usage

1:11:55 ↗ well recognizing the fact that there are

1:11:57 ↗ cars using it so that's where like when

1:11:59 ↗ I hear like the the you know immediate

1:12:01 ↗ like oh we'll just slow cars down we

1:12:04 ↗ talk about oh for you know for climate

1:12:06 ↗ well if you're having cars sit at light

1:12:08 ↗ after light after light burning fuel

1:12:11 ↗ that's not good for the environment

1:12:12 ↗ right so I I certainly overall get to it

1:12:16 ↗ a minute I think it's important that we

1:12:17 ↗ have a balance policy that's thoughtful

1:12:19 ↗ about all of the users uh and what they

1:12:22 ↗ true intend

1:12:28 ↗ ER go ahead um I so like the 2003 policy

1:12:35 ↗ we never hit the threshold for something

1:12:37 ↗ to be implemented but then like John

1:12:40 ↗ just mentioned about how like things

1:12:42 ↗ were done in certain neighborhoods and

1:12:44 ↗ is there like what's like the through

1:12:47 ↗ line I guess like any like common themes

1:12:50 ↗ between like we received x amount of

1:12:53 ↗ complaints or whatever like I know you

1:12:55 ↗ kind of just told us like gave us this

1:12:56 ↗ history but I guess if there if we get

1:12:59 ↗ like even just a bullet list of like

1:13:01 ↗ this is what we as staff like heard so

1:13:04 ↗ this is why we changed things like I

1:13:06 ↗ think that could help us as a

1:13:09 ↗ board uh than G if we're like giving

1:13:12 ↗ suggestions on how we want to maybe like

1:13:14 ↗ reshape things like that would help to

1:13:17 ↗ see like okay what were like The Guiding

1:13:19 ↗ principles that staff used uh when the

1:13:22 ↗ changes were made even though like no

1:13:24 ↗ neighborhood's ever actually hit the

1:13:26 ↗ requirements from the 2003

1:13:31 ↗ policy yeah we can provide that at

1:13:33 ↗ Future meetings I will say off the top

1:13:35 ↗ of my head in Oldtown it was that the

1:13:38 ↗ issue was the cut through traffic not

1:13:39 ↗ the speed and that's why we did the

1:13:41 ↗ traffic Comon on Newport Way between

1:13:44 ↗ sr900 and Southeast

1:13:48 ↗ 54th the main reason for that is it was

1:13:51 ↗ a former State Highway

1:13:54 ↗ we had a pedestrian fatality back in

1:13:57 ↗ 2015

1:13:59 ↗ and the corridor has changed tremendous

1:14:03 ↗ amounts since then there's been lots of

1:14:06 ↗ development and a lot more pedestrians

1:14:08 ↗ and

1:14:09 ↗ bicycles and so as Newport Way has gone

1:14:14 ↗ from a rural two-lane road to

1:14:19 ↗ a urban street that the change was made

1:14:24 ↗ to try and get traffic to reflect the

1:14:27 ↗ new

1:14:32 ↗ environment actually bring the

1:14:35 ↗ question I'm gonna play I'm GNA Play tab

1:14:38 ↗ um were these these uh specific projects

1:14:42 ↗ that you were talking about uh were they

1:14:45 ↗ related to any larger projects that were

1:14:48 ↗ going on around it or were they just

1:14:49 ↗ stay below projects addressing specific

1:14:52 ↗ issues so Newport way it's the whole

1:14:56 ↗ Corridor about a mile long of looking at

1:14:58 ↗ it as a whole Corridor the Oldtown was

1:15:03 ↗ looking at all of Old Town or well

1:15:06 ↗ shouldn't say all of Oldtown but

1:15:07 ↗ primarily looking

1:15:10 ↗ at

1:15:12 ↗ Alder Andrews Bush six basically from

1:15:16 ↗ six to second from Bush to

1:15:21 ↗ Alder and then the the safety bundle and

1:15:25 ↗ that was more of a spot location just a

1:15:29 ↗ unique situation of having a marked

1:15:31 ↗ crosswalk which can actually from a

1:15:34 ↗ pedestrian safety point of view be

1:15:37 ↗ dangerous that we wanted some way and

1:15:41 ↗ knowing that the cars were traveling 10

1:15:43 ↗ miles more than 10 miles an hour over

1:15:45 ↗ that was more of the a unique situation

1:15:48 ↗ the other ones we were looking more

1:15:49 ↗ holistically at an

1:15:52 ↗ area I think yeah I think that's a

1:15:54 ↗ really interesting thing to be thinking

1:15:56 ↗ about as we're moving forward with this

1:15:59 ↗ policy we write to um for one of my

1:16:02 ↗ project I'm working on a cordor project

1:16:03 ↗ right now and one of the questions that

1:16:04 ↗ our consultant asked us was can we

1:16:07 ↗ traffic calming here it's technically a

1:16:09 ↗ it's technically a a collector and I

1:16:12 ↗ didn't really have a specific answer

1:16:14 ↗ because it would be attached to a

1:16:16 ↗ specific project as opposed to a you

1:16:18 ↗ know a citizen ofr so anyway just wanted

1:16:21 ↗ to mention that any other questions

1:16:24 ↗ before I move into the next Final Phase

1:16:28 ↗ on

1:16:32 ↗ presentation

1:16:34 ↗ great okay

1:16:36 ↗ so

1:16:38 ↗ um I uh I included in the packet a memo

1:16:44 ↗ that describes uh basically uh how we

1:16:47 ↗ want to move forward from here um this

1:16:50 ↗ was not included in in the uh November

1:16:53 ↗ version of the packet this is a newer

1:16:55 ↗ portion uh of of what we're looking at

1:16:59 ↗ uh because again we really want to take

1:17:01 ↗ specific care uh to get this right um so

1:17:04 ↗ we put together a a specific kind of

1:17:07 ↗ loose timeline of what we of what uh

1:17:11 ↗ points that we want to hit on the way to

1:17:13 ↗ council essentially um so I'll just I'll

1:17:17 ↗ run through those really quickly before

1:17:19 ↗ we have a conversation at the end here

1:17:22 ↗ um so first uh we'll after this is after

1:17:26 ↗ this meeting so after this meeting uh we

1:17:28 ↗ plan to have a staff collaborators

1:17:30 ↗ review um we we are going to conduct uh

1:17:34 ↗ internal discussions across departments

1:17:36 ↗ and we're going to invite uh fire and

1:17:39 ↗ isqua school district for example into

1:17:41 ↗ those conversations it won't just be

1:17:42 ↗ City it'll be a little bit more uh

1:17:45 ↗ regionally minded as well um uh and we

1:17:49 ↗ really need to understand kind of the

1:17:51 ↗ current uh

1:17:53 ↗ on the ground impacts of how the

1:17:55 ↗ existing policy is is working within the

1:17:59 ↗ community and we want to hear from

1:18:01 ↗ people with expertise within their

1:18:03 ↗ fields we want to talk to our

1:18:04 ↗ maintenance crew we want to talk to fire

1:18:05 ↗ we want to talk to all those different

1:18:08 ↗ stakeholders um then we plan to come

1:18:11 ↗ back here to tab um we'll return with

1:18:15 ↗ the that input that we uh We Gather and

1:18:19 ↗ hopefully we will review that and work

1:18:22 ↗ with you all to identify areas uh of the

1:18:25 ↗ current program that need adjustment um

1:18:27 ↗ and of course we'll take into

1:18:29 ↗ consideration the the comments that

1:18:30 ↗ you'll make in a few minutes here um and

1:18:35 ↗ then we'll move into that policy

1:18:37 ↗ adjustment and comparative analysis uh

1:18:40 ↗ we've already been doing I've already

1:18:41 ↗ been doing some of this over the last

1:18:43 ↗ year um but we wanted to kind of

1:18:45 ↗ formalize the process um and so

1:18:48 ↗ basically that means uh that using uh

1:18:51 ↗ those collaborate the collaboration

1:18:53 ↗ feedback and your feedback uh evaluate

1:18:57 ↗ those um evaluate accepted traffic

1:18:59 ↗ calming methods that are kind of out

1:19:02 ↗ there in the industry in the world um

1:19:05 ↗ and also look at other programs look at

1:19:08 ↗ other cities um and see what other

1:19:10 ↗ cities are doing and kind of compare it

1:19:12 ↗ to ours and start kind of piecing

1:19:14 ↗ together things uh we also want to

1:19:16 ↗ engage in the public comment process um

1:19:19 ↗ because this is uh such a

1:19:23 ↗ um opinionated passionate um you know

1:19:27 ↗ type of uh issue we want to hear from

1:19:30 ↗ the community on on what they're

1:19:32 ↗ thinking about we've already heard from

1:19:33 ↗ a couple people even this evening um and

1:19:37 ↗ as as many of you know having been on

1:19:39 ↗ Tab we don't get that many uh public

1:19:41 ↗ commenters so I think even having two

1:19:43 ↗ kind of is a good

1:19:45 ↗ indication um finally we'll take all of

1:19:48 ↗ that we'll start drafting a new traffic

1:19:50 ↗ calming policy um

1:19:53 ↗ and then we'll return to tab for review

1:19:56 ↗ discussion and hopefully approval and

1:19:59 ↗ then we'll take it on to movil

1:20:01 ↗ infrastructure and

1:20:04 ↗ C with that we at 7:24 so we have plenty

1:20:08 ↗ of time um I really wanted to uh open up

1:20:12 ↗ the floor to all of you you've all asked

1:20:14 ↗ really good questions and made great

1:20:17 ↗ inquiries and uh and all of that but I

1:20:20 ↗ really wanted to kind of open this up to

1:20:24 ↗ a fairly open discussion about um what

1:20:28 ↗ what do you want us as staff to be

1:20:30 ↗ keeping in mind as we proceed into this

1:20:32 ↗ next phase um and that can

1:20:35 ↗ include personal interests and your

1:20:37 ↗ opinions you know your own objectives

1:20:39 ↗ whatever it's like I'm happy to hear uh

1:20:43 ↗ from from any level um so I will I'll

1:20:46 ↗ leave it there and open it

1:20:49 ↗ up Micah has his hand up but I

1:20:51 ↗ definitely want to um make make sure

1:20:52 ↗ that everybody gets a chance to share so

1:20:56 ↗ um if you um don't volunteer I'll I'll

1:20:59 ↗ volun tell you just because I want to

1:21:01 ↗ make sure everybody has something to

1:21:03 ↗ contribute go ahead

1:21:04 ↗ M so I I mentioned these earlier I just

1:21:07 ↗ want to mention them during this portion

1:21:09 ↗ uh for the purpose of like the minutes

1:21:11 ↗ um so I think it's important that we

1:21:14 ↗ recognized the balanced use policy and

1:21:18 ↗ that that includes the fact that the

1:21:20 ↗ majority user of basically every road is

1:21:24 ↗ cars for now um likely cars for the

1:21:28 ↗ foreseeable future right so we want to

1:21:31 ↗ recognize that there is an impact there

1:21:34 ↗ um kind of along with that you we talk

1:21:36 ↗ about getting public comment I think

1:21:38 ↗ that we might struggle or you might

1:21:41 ↗ struggle to get public comment from

1:21:44 ↗ people that are just driving through if

1:21:46 ↗ we're because I think what's going to be

1:21:48 ↗ people are going to talk about expanding

1:21:50 ↗ the types of roads that are covered I'm

1:21:51 ↗ expecting that and so how do we make

1:21:53 ↗ sure that we're getting public comment

1:21:55 ↗ not just from the you know people that

1:21:57 ↗ are are walking on the road and maybe

1:21:59 ↗ live in the neighborhoods also people

1:22:01 ↗ that use that to get tuned from work or

1:22:03 ↗ tuned from school um and then just going

1:22:07 ↗ back to what I said kind of at the

1:22:09 ↗ beginning about that data I think it's

1:22:11 ↗ important to and John mentioned it to

1:22:13 ↗ make data driven decisions so if we have

1:22:16 ↗ data that shows that there's this you

1:22:18 ↗ know we're we're missing a lot of them

1:22:20 ↗ that are in this you know 7 m hour range

1:22:23 ↗ or 8 m hour range I'd rather move to

1:22:25 ↗ that than just go oh let's go down to

1:22:27 ↗ zero um so I that data like that is

1:22:31 ↗ important to make a a structured

1:22:37 ↗ decision um just going through this

1:22:40 ↗ whole thing I think it's also to look at

1:22:43 ↗ you know TR to ruc at 10 miles per

1:22:46 ↗ hour Seattle has 5

1:22:50 ↗ m 5 m plus limit there that might

1:22:56 ↗ be I would think that most

1:23:02 ↗ these so you're missing a lot

1:23:06 ↗ of lot of the you know well you know L

1:23:09 ↗ these things are going

1:23:13 ↗ below so I think that would be a good

1:23:17 ↗ thing um other thing is also is

1:23:20 ↗ including more factors right so I think

1:23:23 ↗ Collision history might be good one to I

1:23:28 ↗ mean a lot

1:23:30 ↗ these like projects that we consider in

1:23:34 ↗ you might not have any Collision history

1:23:36 ↗ per se but having some measure Rel like

1:23:40 ↗ P misses or something like that that

1:23:43 ↗ along

1:23:46 ↗ with walking along having that

1:23:49 ↗ corporated as part criteria and then

1:23:51 ↗ also just Street

1:23:53 ↗ geometry because I know some cities they

1:23:58 ↗ prioritize projects that

1:24:00 ↗ don't post projects that don't have

1:24:02 ↗ curve or the street is wider

1:24:07 ↗ than I

1:24:10 ↗ think

1:24:11 ↗ so having geometry Collision or

1:24:15 ↗ something like

1:24:21 ↗ that I I was just going to say

1:24:25 ↗ that not just speed being the

1:24:30 ↗ criteria and I did mention that before

1:24:34 ↗ if there are more trucks using a road

1:24:38 ↗ and it's in a residential

1:24:40 ↗ neighborhood that should be reflected

1:24:43 ↗ somehow and then I was wondering oh well

1:24:47 ↗ if some streets have more pedestrians on

1:24:51 ↗ them and they don't necessarily have

1:24:54 ↗ those sidewalks is there a way to put

1:24:58 ↗ that in the equation somehow um and

1:25:01 ↗ that's rather subjective um you can't

1:25:04 ↗ really count people walking on a street

1:25:09 ↗ and that doesn't have sidewalks as

1:25:11 ↗ easily so we would have to do a survey

1:25:14 ↗ and I suppose that would be

1:25:17 ↗ inconclusive but but I I think you can't

1:25:20 ↗ just look at the cars and

1:25:22 ↗ speed to think about traffic

1:25:25 ↗ caling would more people walk instead of

1:25:29 ↗ being stuck in a traffic jam you know

1:25:33 ↗ waiting to get to the high school is

1:25:35 ↗ there a way to maybe have people drop

1:25:39 ↗ their know kids off easier instead of

1:25:43 ↗ trying to make a left turn somewh maybe

1:25:45 ↗ there's other Solutions also

1:25:50 ↗ so that's my thoughts

1:25:53 ↗ I'd like to say in the regard to the

1:25:55 ↗ school left turns a lot of times with

1:25:57 ↗ like the no left turn limit it's very

1:25:59 ↗ impractical especially for people

1:26:01 ↗ parking on Aden Street in the gravel

1:26:04 ↗ Lots um and then also the street before

1:26:07 ↗ where there's a church lot or I park a

1:26:09 ↗ lot of times it can be really

1:26:11 ↗ impractical to go all the way around so

1:26:13 ↗ like a lot of my friends and stuff I

1:26:15 ↗ don't fall no left turn limit because it

1:26:18 ↗ adds like five maybe even 10 minutes

1:26:19 ↗ depending on traffic you have to go all

1:26:21 ↗ the way around

1:26:23 ↗ then also when going all the way around

1:26:24 ↗ that left turn there can be kind of

1:26:26 ↗ sketchy sometimes when you have the

1:26:27 ↗ pressure of like eight people behind you

1:26:29 ↗ and then all the oncoming traffic that

1:26:31 ↗ can be a lot of pressure especially for

1:26:33 ↗ newer

1:26:35 ↗ drivers this gets to a point I made many

1:26:38 ↗ times about traffic calming is a lot of

1:26:41 ↗ these measures a lot of what we talk

1:26:42 ↗ about sounds awful anti-d driver we talk

1:26:45 ↗ about narrowing roads you know that

1:26:47 ↗ bridge in Seattle that's like super

1:26:49 ↗ narrow it's like three lanes both

1:26:50 ↗ directions I hate that

1:26:52 ↗ everyone I know hates

1:26:55 ↗ that the one that after if you take the

1:26:57 ↗ tunnel and you keep

1:26:59 ↗ going so narrow right and I was behind a

1:27:03 ↗ us that just drove just drove through

1:27:05 ↗ two lanes they were just like I don't

1:27:07 ↗ care going it's like seems like a good

1:27:09 ↗ idea you know like left turns right if

1:27:11 ↗ we say well this is gonna help traffic

1:27:13 ↗ but then it's going to drive people to

1:27:15 ↗ go drive go do something else to get

1:27:20 ↗ around it right so this is I just go

1:27:23 ↗ back to it really need to be very

1:27:25 ↗ balanced in the policy to to understand

1:27:28 ↗ these impacts to the drivers as well as

1:27:32 ↗ other

1:27:34 ↗ users you know I would like to know you

1:27:37 ↗ know it sounded like Nancy Davidson

1:27:39 ↗ spoke and said that they were promised

1:27:42 ↗ some kind of changes I mean I I think

1:27:45 ↗ the the board should kind of know what

1:27:48 ↗ they were promised you know so part of

1:27:52 ↗ that's a

1:27:53 ↗ misunderstanding and part of it

1:27:56 ↗ something that's going to be done either

1:27:57 ↗ this month or next month so as part of

1:28:01 ↗ it we're the curb bulb outs at second

1:28:03 ↗ and Bush and installing street lights at

1:28:07 ↗ second and Bush and along sunset at

1:28:11 ↗ certain intersections and that's the

1:28:13 ↗ ones that are going to be installed now

1:28:15 ↗ horrible lead times to get street lights

1:28:17 ↗ we ordered these things we've been

1:28:19 ↗ waiting and waiting and waiting PSC has

1:28:22 ↗ them finally and so they're going to be

1:28:24 ↗ installing

1:28:25 ↗ them and the so the miscommunication was

1:28:29 ↗ that the neighborhood thought that there

1:28:32 ↗ were going to be there's going to be a

1:28:34 ↗ rectangular rapid flashing Beacon at

1:28:36 ↗ second and Bush and the project was to

1:28:40 ↗ install the curve bulb out then evaluate

1:28:43 ↗ it make a data driven decision do we put

1:28:45 ↗ in the rectangular rapid flashing Beacon

1:28:48 ↗ or not and we completed that evaluation

1:28:52 ↗ now um part of the confusion was someone

1:28:54 ↗ went on vacation someone was filling in

1:28:57 ↗ told people we're going to be installing

1:28:58 ↗ it when we weren't so it was a

1:29:01 ↗ miscommunication but we did evaluate it

1:29:03 ↗ and we are going to be installing the

1:29:05 ↗ rectangular rapid flashing Beacon so

1:29:07 ↗ it's okay little bit of a

1:29:09 ↗ miscommunication there and just

1:29:12 ↗ unfortunately times in order to get

1:29:16 ↗ lights uh

1:29:19 ↗ Erica um I've got a lot lot um like

1:29:23 ↗ stuff I wrote down while I was like

1:29:24 ↗ reading through policy and going through

1:29:27 ↗ um the packet and stuff but I do want to

1:29:29 ↗ second I think Julian had said uh

1:29:32 ↗ mentioned like if there's a way to

1:29:33 ↗ measure near misses like I know like we

1:29:36 ↗ know of like where we'll know where

1:29:38 ↗ accidents happen where fatalities happen

1:29:40 ↗ but man I so I work from home the amount

1:29:43 ↗ of horns I hear like on my street I live

1:29:46 ↗ on a res I live on 10th Avenue it like

1:29:48 ↗ in the highlands it's residential it's

1:29:51 ↗ not but for for whatever reason I people

1:29:53 ↗ just aren't good drivers here um so any

1:29:57 ↗ who that's um yeah that's me bringing I

1:29:59 ↗ guess we want you know everything right

1:30:00 ↗ personal opinions but also like trying

1:30:03 ↗ to bring a broader lens to this um I was

1:30:06 ↗ focused I think more on as we're

1:30:09 ↗ reshaping maybe like input and it sounds

1:30:11 ↗ like that's already happened just as you

1:30:13 ↗ know way between like 20 years now like

1:30:15 ↗ we don't do paper forms um it sounds

1:30:17 ↗ like it's going through the find it fix

1:30:19 ↗ it app a lot of the time uh love that um

1:30:23 ↗ I have like questions about like

1:30:25 ↗ language

1:30:26 ↗ access um and it sounds like if I we

1:30:29 ↗ haven't even gotten to like phase two

1:30:31 ↗ when like surveys go out and things like

1:30:33 ↗ that but I guess if we could focus like

1:30:36 ↗ on you know I know we know we have the

1:30:38 ↗ data for like what uh like the top

1:30:40 ↗ spoken language is in the city but I

1:30:43 ↗ guess when it comes to like we're doing

1:30:45 ↗ like targeted things in neighborhoods if

1:30:47 ↗ we have the data for like that census

1:30:49 ↗ tract or something um like I guess yeah

1:30:53 ↗ making it as accessible as possible

1:30:56 ↗ language wise is great um also if we do

1:31:00 ↗ still do any kind of paper mailers for

1:31:02 ↗ like whatever process um because I know

1:31:05 ↗ like some people are going to prefer

1:31:07 ↗ that right like not everyone has the

1:31:08 ↗ access to technology uh if we're like

1:31:11 ↗ including like paid postage on that um I

1:31:14 ↗ think you're going to get a higher rate

1:31:15 ↗ of return like we do with ballots right

1:31:17 ↗ like an election

1:31:18 ↗ mail um and then uh

1:31:22 ↗ I think like Jerry brought this up with

1:31:24 ↗ that like I wrote down like is there a

1:31:27 ↗ process for kind of like reviewing like

1:31:28 ↗ Legacy areas where like people who like

1:31:32 ↗ they just they like just barely like

1:31:34 ↗ they were under the threshold and so

1:31:36 ↗ they kind of have to keep

1:31:38 ↗ resubmitting uh their requests Etc like

1:31:41 ↗ I guess like do we have a process

1:31:43 ↗ for that um moving forward

1:31:49 ↗ so some of the things that were going

1:31:51 ↗ through my head as as I was reading all

1:31:55 ↗ this thanks

1:31:57 ↗ ER you Hy what do you sh um I live in

1:32:00 ↗ the highlands and you've mentioned the

1:32:02 ↗ highlands um I've seen few times uh when

1:32:06 ↗ kids were trying to cross the par Drive

1:32:09 ↗ uh it's not a problem just speed it's

1:32:12 ↗ the

1:32:13 ↗ vision uh or the perception of the

1:32:16 ↗ driver when he sees a kid Crossing so

1:32:21 ↗ I've seen a near misses a couple of

1:32:23 ↗ times uh when they were using the flag

1:32:27 ↗ so the driver hardly can see them uh

1:32:31 ↗ it's normally um successful when they

1:32:34 ↗ press the button there are some pedest

1:32:36 ↗ Crossing where you have these um

1:32:39 ↗ flashes so I guess more of these flashes

1:32:43 ↗ like this you know when when you tries

1:32:45 ↗ to cross he presses the button waits for

1:32:48 ↗ a few seconds and then everybody sees

1:32:50 ↗ that but the flags I've seen a couple of

1:32:53 ↗ near

1:32:54 ↗ misses with these Flags uh maybe they

1:32:56 ↗ help but not enough and it's not just

1:33:00 ↗ the speed as I said it's it's the

1:33:02 ↗ perception of the drug he just sees

1:33:04 ↗ people crossing in front of him so maybe

1:33:08 ↗ more of these um flashes or can be taken

1:33:13 ↗ into

1:33:14 ↗ consideration so sounds like there's a

1:33:16 ↗ number of people I would Echo what Erica

1:33:19 ↗ and Julian just said about other and I

1:33:23 ↗ guess you as well right other

1:33:25 ↗ measures that are linked to safety uh

1:33:33 ↗ incidents whether that be a fatal oxygen

1:33:36 ↗ car collision pedestrian

1:33:38 ↗ Collision whether that is

1:33:42 ↗ um like visibility right which is

1:33:45 ↗ probably a factor in safety incidents or

1:33:48 ↗ near misses or collisions all of those

1:33:52 ↗ are in some way representative of this

1:33:55 ↗ is a place where something could happen

1:33:58 ↗ or has happened and so even if maybe it

1:34:01 ↗ doesn't trigger the you know seven

1:34:04 ↗ revise seven mile per hour whatever

1:34:06 ↗ right it might also still be considered

1:34:09 ↗ because of that yeah and you can see

1:34:12 ↗ more of this with the U um the early

1:34:16 ↗ Darkness so it's you can like hear the

1:34:20 ↗ squeak of a a break or a horn or

1:34:23 ↗ something like that more often

1:34:26 ↗ yeah yeah that I mean Nick sent me

1:34:29 ↗ there's a New York Times article that

1:34:30 ↗ came out this week talking about uh kind

1:34:34 ↗ of when these as pedestrian deaths are

1:34:37 ↗ going up you know when wiing the day

1:34:40 ↗ during the year and it seems to be a

1:34:42 ↗ dusk is the

1:34:43 ↗ peak and it moves based on sunsets not

1:34:46 ↗ only is it at desk um essentially all of

1:34:49 ↗ our increase in pedestrian fatality

1:34:51 ↗ ities across the United States are at

1:34:53 ↗ desk three and four happening in that

1:34:55 ↗ time frame and so if you remove those we

1:34:58 ↗ Trend with the rest of the world or at

1:35:01 ↗ least the rest of the First World

1:35:02 ↗ countries that have similar traffic

1:35:03 ↗ approaches to us we're having a

1:35:05 ↗ nationwide I think last year was 7200

1:35:08 ↗ deaths Countrywide and three and four of

1:35:11 ↗ them are at desk and you can see the

1:35:13 ↗ when you graph those and you and you can

1:35:16 ↗ see the trend of of the change in Sunset

1:35:19 ↗ with that it's it's very fast

1:35:24 ↗ I have a couple things um I mostly what

1:35:26 ↗ I have to say is echoing what other

1:35:28 ↗ people said but I just I want to share

1:35:30 ↗ um I um I do think and this has been

1:35:35 ↗ hinted at a couple times today that um

1:35:37 ↗ making sure that any measures that

1:35:39 ↗ there's some kind of study about the

1:35:40 ↗ neighbor impact to maybe the flow if

1:35:43 ↗ suddenly that street can't turn left

1:35:45 ↗ there or something has changed then what

1:35:48 ↗ what impact would it have nearby so I

1:35:50 ↗ think that should just be baked into the

1:35:54 ↗ process um I also think that it needs to

1:35:59 ↗ be um captured not just speed and I do

1:36:03 ↗ think perception matters and I think

1:36:04 ↗ experience matters and that kind of gets

1:36:07 ↗ back to the objectives the safety is

1:36:09 ↗ clearly an objective but there's also I

1:36:12 ↗ mean the city has objectives around

1:36:15 ↗ protecting World neighborhood character

1:36:18 ↗ that sort of thing and so I think that

1:36:20 ↗ there seems like there should be I don't

1:36:22 ↗ know if it's an appeals process or

1:36:24 ↗ something where okay well we didn't meet

1:36:26 ↗ the threshold on speed but you know

1:36:28 ↗ maybe volume and especially if it's

1:36:31 ↗ somehow volume related to the the

1:36:33 ↗ percentage of people that live on that

1:36:35 ↗ street versus the volume of traffic like

1:36:36 ↗ some kind of metric that c like some

1:36:39 ↗ people that live in these small little

1:36:41 ↗ streets that end up being cut through

1:36:42 ↗ streets are having to take their more

1:36:44 ↗ than their share of you know the traffic

1:36:46 ↗ what whatever um so I think that there

1:36:48 ↗ should be some um only we all sounds

1:36:51 ↗ like we all agree there should be some

1:36:53 ↗ other factors besides but I just wanted

1:36:54 ↗ to emphasize that even though I think I

1:36:58 ↗ think that it would be important to try

1:36:59 ↗ to find some objective criteria to

1:37:01 ↗ describe this perception if people are

1:37:04 ↗ feeling that way and maybe a little bit

1:37:05 ↗ of what you're saying the road geometry

1:37:07 ↗ if there's no sidewalk there could be

1:37:09 ↗ and yes it's subjective but Traffic

1:37:11 ↗ Engineers and traffic designers are

1:37:14 ↗ great at capturing um things that seem P

1:37:18 ↗ seem subjective but actually do maybe

1:37:20 ↗ have some objective way

1:37:21 ↗ um

1:37:23 ↗ objective descriptions that could be

1:37:25 ↗ banked into policy um just to make sure

1:37:28 ↗ we're

1:37:29 ↗ capturing um what it might be like to

1:37:31 ↗ live on a street where suddenly there's

1:37:33 ↗ a lot of trucks you know rolling down

1:37:34 ↗ your street you know or just something

1:37:36 ↗ that captures some of these experiences

1:37:39 ↗ that maybe um the

1:37:42 ↗ perception um yeah the speed isn't

1:37:44 ↗ really coming turning out to be what

1:37:46 ↗ they think it is but there's something

1:37:47 ↗ driving that perception and trying to

1:37:50 ↗ have a policy that attempts to capture

1:37:52 ↗ what it is that's driving that

1:37:53 ↗ perception because people aren't making

1:37:55 ↗ this up they're not they got better

1:37:56 ↗ things to do at their time than just

1:37:58 ↗ complain about you know traffic so um so

1:38:02 ↗ uh I don't but I just think we need to

1:38:06 ↗ dig into that a little bit and not just

1:38:08 ↗ say oh you know it's subjective we can't

1:38:11 ↗ it so um and I also really think that um

1:38:14 ↗ this is just like striking that fairness

1:38:16 ↗ cord in me I definitely was struck by

1:38:19 ↗ the idea that there wasn't a

1:38:21 ↗ um that the that the 85th percentile

1:38:24 ↗ criteria didn't wasn't met but the city

1:38:26 ↗ did the project anyway and then someone

1:38:28 ↗ else is told that they can't so I'm not

1:38:30 ↗ saying those were bad decisions I'm

1:38:33 ↗ saying that I think it needs to be

1:38:36 ↗ descript it needs to be described it

1:38:38 ↗ needs to be transparent when the

1:38:40 ↗ city a city- driven traffic calming

1:38:45 ↗ measure what their criteria is and why

1:38:47 ↗ it might be different than a

1:38:48 ↗ neighborhood driven one not saying

1:38:51 ↗ saying that that they shouldn't exist

1:38:53 ↗ but I think we just need to be really

1:38:55 ↗ proactive about the fairness question

1:38:57 ↗ there and have a legitimate public

1:38:59 ↗ purpose for why the city has a different

1:39:02 ↗ standard and if there isn't one then

1:39:04 ↗ maybe the city has to go through the

1:39:06 ↗ same steps um but I think that really

1:39:08 ↗ needs to be examined and

1:39:10 ↗ um included in the policy or certainly

1:39:14 ↗ the in the plan

1:39:19 ↗ or does anyone else have anything to add

1:39:22 ↗ on this topic of what we want to throw

1:39:23 ↗ in the hopper while they er is Erica

1:39:27 ↗ your hand still up or is it up again

1:39:29 ↗ it's up again

1:39:31 ↗ um uh I also wanted to I know we had

1:39:34 ↗ mentioned earlier at the meeting about

1:39:36 ↗ like folks that send an emails I just

1:39:38 ↗ wanted to draw a one that mentioned

1:39:39 ↗ Vision zero um and I I'm also curious

1:39:43 ↗ like how that plays in um to like the

1:39:47 ↗ design of our traffic calming policy um

1:39:51 ↗ um I don't know it sounds like the plan

1:39:53 ↗ is to look at you know like uh things

1:39:55 ↗ that work nationally like tapping into

1:39:58 ↗ like maybe more like regionalized plans

1:40:00 ↗ and things but I just um wanted to make

1:40:02 ↗ sure that that was at least acknowledged

1:40:04 ↗ and mentioned and called out

1:40:09 ↗ specifically yeah I I believe that email

1:40:12 ↗ comment mentioned that we might have

1:40:14 ↗ adopted it I just want to clarify that

1:40:17 ↗ hasn't been adopted formally in

1:40:19 ↗ is

1:40:24 ↗ um hasn't actually led to any success so

1:40:27 ↗ I mean I would I'm certainly not in

1:40:29 ↗ favor of adopting policies that have not

1:40:30 ↗ demonstrated

1:40:32 ↗ success and that is something that yeah

1:40:34 ↗ there's a reduction I'm all for we we

1:40:37 ↗ yeah well yeah and that's something that

1:40:38 ↗ we can also look at is you know what are

1:40:40 ↗ the pieces of vision Z that work and

1:40:43 ↗ don't maybe work and that as well so

1:40:47 ↗ yeah

1:40:48 ↗ absolutely I think that's a good goal I

1:40:51 ↗ you know I I like the vision zero so

1:40:55 ↗ I've talked to Thomas the transportation

1:40:57 ↗ planner and at some point there will be

1:41:00 ↗ a vision zero policy discussion so stay

1:41:04 ↗ tuned um I know he's got big left with

1:41:06 ↗ the comp plan I've told him my time

1:41:10 ↗ frame because it affects Grant

1:41:12 ↗ competitions in

1:41:15 ↗ 2026 oh so or most likely will so that's

1:41:20 ↗ when before then I would be interested

1:41:22 ↗ in having us look at Vision zero we have

1:41:26 ↗ a the mobility master plan says we

1:41:30 ↗ will eventually get to a vision zero

1:41:33 ↗ policy so

1:41:34 ↗ um bottom line Vision zero is

1:41:38 ↗ coming not part of this no or the policy

1:41:43 ↗ discussion is coming want to get ahead

1:41:46 ↗ of the

1:41:49 ↗ discussion

1:41:53 ↗ all right um did you get what you were

1:41:55 ↗ hoping for and then some yeah I think

1:41:58 ↗ I'll move on with this um I want to say

1:42:00 ↗ thank you for this this I would say I

1:42:03 ↗ know we've talked about it in tab before

1:42:04 ↗ but I would call this an opening uh

1:42:06 ↗ conversation especially with this group

1:42:09 ↗ um I I I really love these discussions

1:42:13 ↗ traffic caling is one of the things that

1:42:16 ↗ attracted me to play in the first place

1:42:18 ↗ I got into it schol SU really excited to

1:42:21 ↗ to bring it well talk about it esqua and

1:42:25 ↗ see what we can develop so um yeah I

1:42:28 ↗ thank you again and as it says see you

1:42:31 ↗ next

1:42:33 ↗ year too far away

1:42:36 ↗ indeed uh well that's a wrap on item

1:42:39 ↗ four it sounds like we're on to reports

1:42:41 ↗ um I see you have a work plan are we

1:42:44 ↗ going to come talk about this again in

1:42:47 ↗ January uh seem quick for that yes

1:42:51 ↗ process you slide you

1:42:54 ↗ put

1:43:06 ↗ slides are we the third Wednesday or the

1:43:09 ↗ fourth Wednesday four the fourth

1:43:13 ↗ Wednesday there we

1:43:16 ↗ go

1:43:17 ↗ um can you repeat the question oh I wish

1:43:20 ↗ just surprised to see you think you'll

1:43:21 ↗ be back in January to discuss this but

1:43:24 ↗ really it's your good question yeah um

1:43:27 ↗ and I've been thinking about since I

1:43:29 ↗ posted this with two days three days ago

1:43:31 ↗ I've had you know I've been thinking

1:43:32 ↗ about that as well um so this is a

1:43:34 ↗ tentative uh schedule um we do have a

1:43:39 ↗ tip uh Transportation Improvement

1:43:43 ↗ program uh conversation coming in

1:43:46 ↗ February and March I believe tentatively

1:43:48 ↗ or is that for it has to be we have a

1:43:51 ↗ deadline okay great there's a deadline

1:43:53 ↗ we have to have it um so that is coming

1:43:57 ↗ um I also want to mention that uh tab is

1:44:01 ↗ one of four boards that uh clerks have

1:44:06 ↗ tapped to basically try to develop a

1:44:09 ↗ yearlong work plan um so I'll be

1:44:12 ↗ touching base with you about that soon

1:44:15 ↗ um so this is still our kind of TBD is

1:44:18 ↗ work plan but this is sort of what have

1:44:21 ↗ to look forward to um I think Thomas is

1:44:24 ↗ coming back March or April as well

1:44:27 ↗ probably with some stuff as well so yeah

1:44:30 ↗ that's work plan and give a staff report

1:44:33 ↗ yes

1:44:38 ↗ to uh so I have a couple of

1:44:41 ↗ updates um the first one is Emily sent

1:44:46 ↗ out an email I think it was before La

1:44:49 ↗ the the almost uh November meeting about

1:44:52 ↗ uh its um so just to reiterate that city

1:44:56 ↗ council approved the its plan on

1:44:58 ↗ November 6th um they Express gratitude

1:45:01 ↗ to Tab and City staff um Nick will be uh

1:45:05 ↗ leading

1:45:07 ↗ planation um some council members uh oh

1:45:12 ↗ sorry I don't know what that is um yeah

1:45:16 ↗ council is eager to basically enhance

1:45:18 ↗ inner city mobility and support

1:45:20 ↗ immediate upgrade projects outline in

1:45:22 ↗ 2023 2024

1:45:24 ↗ budgets um and then the other uh staff

1:45:27 ↗ report is from Dale Mary crimp who came

1:45:31 ↗ and presented to us about adaa um this

1:45:34 ↗ is the statement she sent in uh isqua

1:45:37 ↗ city council adopted the 2024 to 2029

1:45:40 ↗ Ada transition plan on Monday October

1:45:43 ↗ 23rd uh this plan provides

1:45:45 ↗ self-evaluation of physical and and

1:45:47 ↗ program barriers to access and full

1:45:49 ↗ participation for individuals protected

1:45:51 ↗ by the Ada uh the plan also outlines the

1:45:54 ↗ city's planned approach to remove

1:45:56 ↗ barriers and improve access to 4ky areas

1:45:58 ↗ public rideways city parks and trails

1:46:01 ↗ buildings and facilities and programs

1:46:03 ↗ and services the city's approach to

1:46:05 ↗ barrier removal prioritizes reported

1:46:07 ↗ issues barriers that are a part of the

1:46:08 ↗ planned and funded capital projects

1:46:11 ↗ severity of barrier and proximity to

1:46:13 ↗ places of interest for individuals with

1:46:15 ↗ disabilities this is dense uh individual

1:46:18 ↗ or information about the self evaluation

1:46:21 ↗ and plan can be viewed at the city's

1:46:23 ↗ website um an update on progress towards

1:46:25 ↗ plan improvements will be provided to

1:46:27 ↗ city council annually starting the first

1:46:29 ↗ quarter of

1:46:30 ↗ 2025 uh community members should

1:46:33 ↗ continue to provide City with requests

1:46:35 ↗ for barrier removal through Ada concerns

1:46:37 ↗ category on

1:46:41 ↗ CICS that's it for

1:46:44 ↗ that uh I don't have a chair report

1:46:47 ↗ except I was just going to mention

1:46:48 ↗ something I said earlier that's just uh

1:46:50 ↗ um I'll try to um figure out a way to

1:46:54 ↗ develop a practice for what comments to

1:46:57 ↗ make about email comments that we get

1:47:00 ↗ leading up to it um it sounds like

1:47:02 ↗ there's some latitude there uh the

1:47:05 ↗ attempt would be to capture and remind

1:47:07 ↗ us all about things that people had to

1:47:09 ↗ say but also not um risk misinterpreting

1:47:12 ↗ people had to say and um yeah um so

1:47:16 ↗ we'll give that a little thought um and

1:47:19 ↗ then

1:47:21 ↗ we uh I was going to say we normally

1:47:23 ↗ have a youth report um and I'm not going

1:47:25 ↗ to ask you for a report but I will

1:47:26 ↗ invite you to uh think about what you

1:47:28 ↗ might want to share that the tab might

1:47:31 ↗ want to hear about anything about to

1:47:34 ↗ people in

1:47:35 ↗ transportation um in the future um and I

1:47:38 ↗ think that's all for reports and do we

1:47:40 ↗ have any other

1:47:41 ↗ business I I do not

1:47:45 ↗ no um well with that I think that we

1:47:48 ↗ could adjourn but I just want to say um

1:47:50 ↗ thanks for to everybody for all the work

1:47:52 ↗ throughout the year and um look forward

1:47:54 ↗ for a exciting and productive 2024 hey

1:48:03 ↗ us meeting is a

1:48:06 ↗ Jour I

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