Environmental Board · Wednesday, August 11, 2021 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Board Membership

packet pp.3

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Staff report:

ENVIRONMENTAL BOARD Staff Liaison Megan Curtis-Murphy, Senior About Sustainability Coordinator Created in 2020, the objective of the Email Environmental Board is to protect, preserve and enhance the natural environment and take Regular Members action on climate change to reduce its impacts 2022 - Dani Madan* by advising the Mayor, City Council and City 2022 - Don McQuilliams departments on the City’s plans, policies, 2023 - Rishi Hazra* regulations and programs related to 2023 - Cameron Fisher environmental stewardship. 2023 - Lara Lebeiko 2024 - Nancy Davidson 2024 - Dan Hintz Membership 2024 - Anne Newcomb The Environmental Board is comprised of nine 2025 - Jamie Finch regular members, and up to three alternates. All members are appointed by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Alternate Members Terms expire April 30 of the year listed. For 2022 - Tom Anderson…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of July 14, 2021

packet pp.5–7

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 07-14-21 Environmental Board Minutes Page [1] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Environmental Board 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting July 14, 2021 MINUTES

Minutes of July 22, 2021

packet pp.9–17

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES b) 07-22-21 Planning Policy Commission- Page [0000] Environmental Board Special Meeting Minutes

Minutes of July 28, 2021

packet pp.19

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES c) 07-28-21 Environmental Board Minutes Page [1] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Environmental Board – Special Meeting 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting July 28, 2021 MINUTES

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Review Environmental Neighborhood Meeting Checklist, (A)

45 min · Lucy Sloman, Planning Manager · packet pp.21–154

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Staff report:

Community Planning & Development 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

Overview of Title 18 Goals and Outcomes, (I)

45 min · Minnie Dhaliwal, Community Planning & Development Director · packet pp.155–167

Topics: Land Use

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Staff report:

Staff will provide background on updating Issaquah’s land use regulations, with a focus on the Goals and Outcomes Document that provides high level guidance for the updates.

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0:00 ↗ thank you for joining us for the

0:02 ↗ wednesday august 11th 2021 environmental

0:05 ↗ board meeting

0:07 ↗ due to the virtual format of today's

0:09 ↗ meeting i'd like to start by providing

0:11 ↗ some guidelines

0:12 ↗ we have participants attending by

0:14 ↗ computers and others who may be

0:16 ↗ attending by phone for all meeting

0:19 ↗ participants please speak clearly and

0:21 ↗ pause pause frequently

0:24 ↗ state your name each time before

0:26 ↗ speaking

0:27 ↗ mute your microphone when not speaking

0:30 ↗ and if you're having technical issues

0:32 ↗ try joining the meeting using a

0:33 ↗ different device such as a smartphone or

0:36 ↗ tablet

0:37 ↗ or use the call-in information in the

0:39 ↗ meeting invite to call into the meeting

0:43 ↗ with those kind of guidelines um we'll

0:45 ↗ start by

0:46 ↗ looking at attendance and as megan had

0:49 ↗ indicated earlier danny madden is not

0:52 ↗ able to join us tonight she's got an

0:54 ↗ excused absence and where you and sarah

0:58 ↗ oh sir yeah i'm gonna ebola

1:02 ↗ and am i close

1:05 ↗ um is here

1:07 ↗ as a youth member and laura labico could

1:09 ↗ not be here she has also has an excused

1:11 ↗ absent and if janet joins us she will be

1:14 ↗ a regular member

1:16 ↗ with that do you want to start the roll

1:18 ↗ call for us megan please

1:21 ↗ yes

1:22 ↗ um tom anderson

1:32 ↗ here

1:34 ↗ nancy davidson

1:36 ↗ here

1:37 ↗ jamie finch

1:41 ↗ cameron fisher yeah

1:44 ↗ rishi hazra

1:48 ↗ dan hintz

1:49 ↗ here

1:51 ↗ don mcwilliams

1:54 ↗ and newcomb

1:56 ↗ here

1:58 ↗ and janet wahl's not here so we'll have

2:00 ↗ tom service alternate this evening

2:03 ↗ great

2:06 ↗ okay

2:07 ↗ so now we've done the cult order and

2:10 ↗ the board minutes uh before we get into

2:14 ↗ um the approval of the minutes i'd like

2:16 ↗ to talk a little bit about

2:18 ↗ um how we speak and um participate in

2:20 ↗ the meeting today

2:23 ↗ um if you

2:25 ↗ desire to speak please send a chat to

2:27 ↗ all panelists and type question or

2:29 ↗ comment and then um i will acknowledge

2:32 ↗ you to before you prior prior to your

2:34 ↗ speaking

2:35 ↗ please do not

2:36 ↗ put any substantive comments in the chat

2:40 ↗ if anyone's on the phone and it doesn't

2:41 ↗ appear anyone is um

2:44 ↗ we will check with you to see if you

2:45 ↗ have comments but you can also press

2:47 ↗ star 3 and megan can call on you

2:50 ↗ with that we're going to move into the

2:52 ↗ approval of the minutes and the first

2:54 ↗ thing i'd like to consider is the

2:55 ↗ minutes of the july 14 2021 meeting

2:59 ↗ does anyone have any comments on those

3:01 ↗ minutes

3:03 ↗ seeing none the minutes are approved as

3:06 ↗ written

3:07 ↗ moving to the minutes of the july 22nd

3:10 ↗ 2021 meeting are there any comments or

3:13 ↗ questions on those

3:16 ↗ seeing that we'll consider those

3:18 ↗ approved

3:19 ↗ um moving to the minutes of the july 28

3:22 ↗ 2021

3:24 ↗ meeting any comments or questions

3:27 ↗ seeing none those minutes are also

3:29 ↗ approved

3:30 ↗ moving on to agenda item number three

3:32 ↗ which is public comments

3:34 ↗ uh do we have anyone on the phone megan

3:36 ↗ for public comments or should i

3:40 ↗ we do not have anyone on the call this

3:42 ↗ evening for public comment should i

3:44 ↗ still read the guidelines just in case

3:48 ↗ no that's okay okay

3:50 ↗ um with that um we'll move right into

3:53 ↗ the agenda items

3:56 ↗ the first agenda item is the meeting the

3:59 ↗ to review the environmental neighborhood

4:01 ↗ meeting checklist and lucy sloman is the

4:04 ↗ planning manager and will be presenting

4:05 ↗ that for us thank you lucy

4:16 ↗ everyone see my screen okay

4:20 ↗ yes okay great

4:22 ↗ um by the way um some of you are aware i

4:25 ↗ have a very noisy

4:27 ↗ so um

4:29 ↗ uh i may have to ask you to speak up um

4:32 ↗ or let me know if it's disturbing any of

4:35 ↗ you

4:37 ↗ as

4:39 ↗ chairperson davidson

4:41 ↗ identified i am from community planning

4:44 ↗ and development and i am the planning

4:46 ↗ manager

4:47 ↗ and i'm here to talk to you about the

4:49 ↗ environmental neighborhood meeting

4:51 ↗ request

4:53 ↗ uh the meeting's purpose is now that

4:56 ↗ community planning and development or

4:58 ↗ cpd has held five environmental

5:01 ↗ neighborhood meetings

5:03 ↗ we are here to talk to you about the

5:06 ↗ list tool

5:08 ↗ and how it's working and to get your

5:11 ↗ feedback

5:13 ↗ um i'm going to provide some background

5:15 ↗ and then we'll dig a little bit more

5:17 ↗ into the checklist itself

5:20 ↗ on october 26 last year the river and

5:23 ↗ students board was dissolved and the

5:25 ↗ environmental board was established

5:28 ↗ and the environmental board's

5:31 ↗ objective was around environmental

5:33 ↗ stewardship including protecting

5:36 ↗ preserving and enhancing the natural

5:38 ↗ environment

5:39 ↗ and advising the mayor council and city

5:42 ↗ departments on plans policy regulations

5:45 ↗ and programs

5:48 ↗ rivers and streams along with other

5:50 ↗ duties reviewed individual projects

5:53 ↗ the environmental board is not reviewing

5:56 ↗ reviewing individual projects where you

5:59 ↗ were asked to

6:00 ↗ look at higher level policy and plan

6:03 ↗ implications gleaned from those projects

6:08 ↗ and um

6:09 ↗ but to maintain community in

6:12 ↗ all level two or higher land use permits

6:15 ↗ with critical area studies go to an

6:18 ↗ environmental neighborhood you need

6:20 ↗ let me dig into some of those pieces a

6:22 ↗ little more

6:25 ↗ so the purpose of the environmental

6:27 ↗ neighborhood meeting is to give the

6:29 ↗ community an opportunity to understand

6:31 ↗ proposals

6:33 ↗ and to provide the city with thoughts

6:34 ↗ and concerns before a decision is

6:37 ↗ rendered

6:40 ↗ so

6:41 ↗ you know we've referred to level two

6:43 ↗ permits and above

6:45 ↗ level zero through one are the kinds of

6:48 ↗ permits found on the right

6:51 ↗ permits signs

6:52 ↗ accessory dwelling units certain kinds

6:54 ↗ of shoreline permits lot line

6:56 ↗ adjustments

6:58 ↗ level two through three through six

7:01 ↗ um land use permits uh there are

7:04 ↗ examples shown on the left

7:07 ↗ examples i've shown level two through

7:10 ↗ level five are the ones that actually

7:12 ↗ took place in our five first

7:15 ↗ environmental neighborhood meetings

7:18 ↗ and

7:19 ↗ when we have

7:20 ↗ a level two through level six permit

7:24 ↗ that has critical area studies

7:26 ↗ then we have to hold an environmental

7:32 ↗ the council

7:34 ↗ approved the ordinance that established

7:36 ↗ the environmental board there were two

7:40 ↗ documents attached to the agenda bill

7:43 ↗ was the neighborhood meeting handout

7:46 ↗ which we just call a handout it's

7:48 ↗ prepared before the meeting

7:50 ↗ it available to the community

7:53 ↗ they have essential information about

7:55 ↗ both the project and its critical areas

7:59 ↗ the natural environment checklist

8:02 ↗ um is prepared after the meeting it sent

8:06 ↗ the environmental board as well as

8:08 ↗ whoever is the decision maker summarizes

8:12 ↗ what happened at the meeting

8:14 ↗ and then provides information that could

8:17 ↗ contribute

8:19 ↗ to your advising on plans policy

8:21 ↗ regulations and programs related to

8:24 ↗ environmental stewardship

8:27 ↗ so um when part of the code that was

8:30 ↗ adopted uh in establishing the

8:32 ↗ environmental board essentially said

8:35 ↗ there should be this test period so

8:38 ↗ after there were five uses of the

8:41 ↗ environmental uh checklist

8:43 ↗ um

8:44 ↗ it asked that staff meet with the

8:47 ↗ environmental board to see how how it

8:50 ↗ was working

8:51 ↗ as a tool to inform you

8:55 ↗ um

8:58 ↗ this is a version of the slide that you

9:01 ↗ received or the diagram you received i'm

9:03 ↗ so 20th century sometimes

9:06 ↗ um

9:07 ↗ of the diagram that you received uh in

9:10 ↗ your packet um i've marked it up a

9:12 ↗ little bit more um just to

9:15 ↗ send a little more detailed tool

9:18 ↗ um

9:19 ↗ the critical areas that we regulate are

9:21 ↗ shown in the hand box in the upper left

9:27 ↗ are

9:28 ↗ we start with development projects

9:32 ↗ and one question is do they have

9:34 ↗ critical areas and is a study required

9:38 ↗ um

9:40 ↗ a critical area is present and study is

9:43 ↗ required

9:45 ↗ and it's level two

9:47 ↗ above

9:49 ↗ then it goes through a process where

9:52 ↗ they submit uh the applicant submits the

9:54 ↗ critical area study the city

9:56 ↗ selects a consultant to do peer review

10:00 ↗ um

10:01 ↗ at some point

10:03 ↗ usually early in the process

10:06 ↗ we hold the neighborhood meeting and

10:08 ↗ prepare the environmental checklist

10:11 ↗ and then these materials

10:13 ↗ are sent on uh the environmental

10:15 ↗ checklist obviously comes to the

10:17 ↗ environmental board but it also goes to

10:20 ↗ the decision maker and the various

10:23 ↗ decision makers depending on the level

10:25 ↗ of land use permit

10:28 ↗ are shown in a sort of brown box

10:34 ↗ so

10:35 ↗ there as i mentioned there have been

10:37 ↗ five

10:38 ↗ environmental neighborhood meetings

10:40 ↗ um

10:41 ↗ this chart uh

10:44 ↗ added a summary of those meetings

10:46 ↗ uh the permit number the permit name the

10:49 ↗ level of review or whether the project

10:52 ↗ was public or private

10:54 ↗ types of critical areas that were

10:56 ↗ present in that project

10:58 ↗ meeting date number of attendees

11:03 ↗ now when we look at those and what we

11:06 ↗ could see is that every level of land

11:08 ↗ use permit from level two through level

11:11 ↗ five had taken place that's kind of

11:14 ↗ notable because level five

11:16 ↗ permits or master site plans don't

11:18 ↗ actually happen very often this is the

11:21 ↗ first one we've had in about four years

11:24 ↗ um although the um any land use permit

11:28 ↗ that was a level six

11:30 ↗ um which um

11:34 ↗ had a critical area study would come to

11:36 ↗ you we don't really anticipate that we

11:38 ↗ will have critical area studies um these

11:41 ↗ are typically level six is typically

11:43 ↗ annexations re-zones

11:46 ↗ land use amendments pop plan amendments

11:49 ↗ and those typically don't have the

11:51 ↗ critical area studies they typically

11:53 ↗ happen with the next land use

11:55 ↗ permanently

11:56 ↗ uh we've had a wide range of

11:59 ↗ projects as well in terms of being both

12:02 ↗ public and private

12:04 ↗ um all the different kinds of critical

12:07 ↗ areas that we regulate were present in

12:10 ↗ one or more of the permits

12:12 ↗ and we had a wide range of attendees

12:15 ↗ from three to 36 people

12:21 ↗ some of the uh

12:22 ↗ options that the board can consider

12:25 ↗ relative to this checklist tool

12:28 ↗ is to either keep it the way uh it was

12:30 ↗ originally provided um reviewed and

12:34 ↗ reviewed by the council

12:36 ↗ or to identify changes or additions to

12:39 ↗ the checklist so that it would better

12:40 ↗ serve you

12:41 ↗ um some of the considerations would be

12:44 ↗ what would make it more useful um in

12:47 ↗ helping you to advise

12:49 ↗ um what information would

12:52 ↗ help you identify and inform

12:56 ↗ you on issues that can adversely impact

12:59 ↗ the environment

13:00 ↗ and is the information um

13:03 ↗ that you think you would like to have

13:05 ↗ available in critical area studies and

13:08 ↗ project information

13:10 ↗ and if not what level of information

13:13 ↗ effort would be necessary to collect it

13:18 ↗ um this is just for our future

13:20 ↗ discussion these are the topics that are

13:23 ↗ contained in all

13:25 ↗ checklists um that you received um i

13:29 ↗ just put this together so it was an easy

13:31 ↗ reference point um when we got to

13:33 ↗ discussion

13:36 ↗ our next steps are that

13:39 ↗ collector feedback

13:41 ↗ uh on the checklist

13:43 ↗ um

13:44 ↗ based on that feedback a cpd will revise

13:48 ↗ the checklist for its use in future

13:51 ↗ environmental neighborhood meetings we

13:53 ↗ don't have any scheduled but there are

13:55 ↗ several projects on the horizon that we

13:58 ↗ uh anticipate will move on

14:01 ↗ um we're required uh and would want to

14:05 ↗ return each year to discuss the

14:08 ↗ checklist as a tool with you

14:10 ↗ and you may very well want to meet with

14:13 ↗ your

14:14 ↗ liaison which for now is megan um to

14:18 ↗ discuss the content of the vibe

14:20 ↗ checklist

14:21 ↗ consider how they might shape

14:24 ↗ either

14:25 ↗ general amendments to codes in the city

14:28 ↗ or specifically

14:30 ↗ title 18 which i know you are

14:33 ↗ deeply involved with as well

14:38 ↗ and that's the end of my presentation

14:45 ↗ all right i don't see anyone up for

14:47 ↗ questions is it uh megan can you see any

14:50 ↗ uh there's some okay

14:52 ↗ well i'm gonna start with my first

14:53 ↗ question since i'm having difficulties

14:55 ↗ typing and and then i'll go to you jamie

14:58 ↗ um this is nancy davidson i'm the chair

15:00 ↗ of the environmental board i apologize

15:01 ↗ for not starting with that

15:03 ↗ um

15:04 ↗ i am curious lucy i could not figure out

15:06 ↗ who you all reached out what's the

15:08 ↗ neighborhood considered that's invited

15:10 ↗ to the neighborhood meeting

15:12 ↗ i couldn't figure that out in reading

15:13 ↗ all these

15:15 ↗ so um

15:17 ↗ we

15:18 ↗ use

15:18 ↗ the noticing requirements associated

15:21 ↗ with a public meeting

15:23 ↗ and so what that means is that any

15:26 ↗ property owner within 300 feet

15:30 ↗ receives a mailed notice

15:33 ↗ any

15:34 ↗ parties of record people who have

15:36 ↗ commented or expressed an interest in

15:38 ↗ the project would

15:40 ↗ receive an email

15:42 ↗ and we also um i believe it's posted to

15:45 ↗ the neighborhood

15:48 ↗ page on the city's website so that

15:51 ↗ anyone who

15:53 ↗ follows the activities in that

15:55 ↗ neighborhood it would be aware of

15:58 ↗ i'm going to ask a couple more follow-on

16:00 ↗ questions that go with this just and

16:02 ↗ then i can turn this over to others

16:05 ↗ just um as i read through these i was

16:07 ↗ trying to get context on how um

16:11 ↗ basically that vested

16:13 ↗ each of these property owners are by the

16:15 ↗ time they fill out this checklist or do

16:17 ↗ the neighborhood meeting

16:19 ↗ um you know where are they in the land

16:22 ↗ used process it's not very clear to me

16:25 ↗ if they have or if the city's already

16:27 ↗ agreed that if um one of them was short

16:29 ↗ planning two lots into 20 if i recall

16:32 ↗ and are they now vested for those 20 or

16:35 ↗ is it 18 we could talk them down to 18.

16:37 ↗ just kind of some context would help me

16:39 ↗ lucy thank you

16:42 ↗ um

16:43 ↗ so vesting is a really tricky question

16:46 ↗ and um that usually is left to the city

16:48 ↗ attorney so i'm gonna use different

16:50 ↗ words

16:51 ↗ um

16:53 ↗ so i i will say that what we want to do

16:57 ↗ is um

16:59 ↗ we generally hold these early in the

17:01 ↗ process

17:03 ↗ so uh not long after they have submitted

17:07 ↗ and um

17:09 ↗ given us their critical area studies we

17:11 ↗ would tend to schedule a neighborhood

17:14 ↗ environmental neighborhood meeting

17:16 ↗ however um

17:19 ↗ they um

17:20 ↗ in the case of these five projects some

17:23 ↗ of them

17:24 ↗ were very far along in the process

17:27 ↗ because of uh just

17:30 ↗ the coincidence or the

17:33 ↗ unrelated timing of when the ordinance

17:35 ↗ was passed and where they were in their

17:38 ↗ process

17:39 ↗ and generally prop procedures are not

17:41 ↗ vested

17:43 ↗ and so

17:44 ↗ when this happened if they hadn't

17:45 ↗ already gotten a land use decision they

17:48 ↗ had to go ahead and go through this step

17:51 ↗ in the process but i do think that what

17:53 ↗ you're asking um

17:55 ↗ is important um

17:58 ↗ that uh it is happening early in the

18:01 ↗ process which means that a lot of things

18:03 ↗ haven't been worked out we may not have

18:05 ↗ finished our peer review

18:07 ↗ um which means that there are still

18:09 ↗ corrections and changes and um

18:13 ↗ evolution and refinement that's going to

18:15 ↗ happen in this project and the idea is

18:18 ↗ to have this conversation early

18:21 ↗ when things can still be shaped

18:24 ↗ okay and i just have one last question

18:27 ↗ i'm sorry and then i'll turn it over to

18:28 ↗ other people i'm trying that but i knew

18:30 ↗ that there are several parts to this in

18:32 ↗ reviewing this submittal provided by the

18:34 ↗ school district regarding their parcel i

18:37 ↗ noticed that

18:38 ↗ for some reason it didn't describe

18:41 ↗ laughing jacob's creek

18:43 ↗ and

18:43 ↗ [Music]

18:46 ↗ what can we do

18:47 ↗ i guess the question back to you is how

18:49 ↗ can we get that so that that's actually

18:51 ↗ discussed in the environmental materials

18:53 ↗ for it because i am familiar with that

18:55 ↗ greek and recognize it is a resource in

18:57 ↗ the city and a real creek so just asking

19:00 ↗ a question for generalities because i

19:02 ↗ felt like it was really missing in this

19:05 ↗ so

19:06 ↗ um

19:06 ↗ [Music]

19:07 ↗ i'm not an expert on these projects i'll

19:10 ↗ say that first and foremost but my um

19:14 ↗ one of the challenges with this is

19:17 ↗ we're looking at the critical areas

19:20 ↗ within the property

19:22 ↗ and um laughing jacob's creek is not

19:25 ↗ within the property now there are

19:27 ↗ obviously um

19:30 ↗ uh potential off-site impacts and that

19:33 ↗ that is i think what you're referring to

19:35 ↗ and um

19:37 ↗ there is um

19:43 ↗ there was there's definitely been

19:44 ↗ discussion uh of laughing jacob's creek

19:48 ↗ and

19:49 ↗ um

19:50 ↗ how this project interacts with it but i

19:53 ↗ think that the purpose of this is really

19:57 ↗ at least where we are now is to look

19:59 ↗ at the critical areas within the site

20:02 ↗ um or ones that could be um

20:06 ↗ [Music]

20:09 ↗ impacted directly by the project

20:14 ↗ that's all my questions okay jamie

20:16 ↗ please go ahead thank you

20:18 ↗ excuse me this is megan um lucy if you

20:21 ↗ could stop sharing your screen maybe it

20:23 ↗ looked like you should stop sharing part

20:25 ↗ of it but i'm just seeing black screen

20:27 ↗ and then we'll be able to see each

20:28 ↗ other's faces

20:29 ↗ here we go

20:31 ↗ we click twice sorry

20:33 ↗ thank you for letting me know

20:36 ↗ thank you nancy uh jamie finch speaking

20:38 ↗ um

20:40 ↗ i had a few questions uh how i know it's

20:43 ↗ early but how would you say the

20:45 ↗ participation of the public at this

20:48 ↗ format versus when it was a part of the

20:49 ↗ reference stream how did those compare

20:55 ↗ well that's

20:56 ↗ it's not only um

20:59 ↗ probably not apples to apples because

21:01 ↗ it's a different board

21:03 ↗ but it's also not apples to apples

21:05 ↗ because it's virtual versus in person

21:08 ↗ and um you know i think we're all very

21:11 ↗ curious to see um

21:13 ↗ what the changes may be um

21:16 ↗ in terms of

21:18 ↗ um

21:21 ↗ whether we go back to a hybrid model or

21:23 ↗ an in-person model

21:25 ↗ i would say um cameron may have a

21:28 ↗ perspective on this as well

21:30 ↗ um i um from the projects i saw at

21:34 ↗ rivers and streams

21:36 ↗ many times we had no one but the

21:38 ↗ applicant and their consultant team but

21:40 ↗ there were certainly times when we had a

21:42 ↗ full house and had to drag all the

21:43 ↗ chairs out of the storage room

21:46 ↗ and so i would say in that sense it's

21:48 ↗ probably not that different

21:52 ↗ okay thanks

21:54 ↗ um and then is it safe to assume that

21:56 ↗ now that the rivers and stream board is

21:58 ↗ not a part of the process it's kind of

22:00 ↗ down to the public because i know a part

22:02 ↗ of the rivers and streams boring kind of

22:04 ↗ mandate was providing

22:06 ↗ some like some relatively technical

22:08 ↗ feedback is that now sort of falling to

22:10 ↗ the public in a lot of ways whoever

22:12 ↗ attends

22:14 ↗ oh no i i would say um what this really

22:17 ↗ reflects is the evolution of the city's

22:21 ↗ resources

22:22 ↗ um when

22:24 ↗ you know i've been with the city for a

22:26 ↗ long time but not as long as the rivers

22:28 ↗ and streams board has been around so

22:31 ↗ as i understand it

22:33 ↗ um

22:34 ↗ rivers and streams river and streams was

22:37 ↗ created

22:38 ↗ to provide technical resources because

22:41 ↗ when it was established the city was

22:43 ↗ small

22:44 ↗ it didn't uh you know

22:46 ↗ everything was just done much smaller

22:48 ↗ and there was not the kind of technical

22:51 ↗ resources that we have now

22:54 ↗ with critical area studies that we

22:56 ↗ receive

22:58 ↗ as far as i can remember every single

23:00 ↗ one of them we um

23:02 ↗ the city hires at the applicant's

23:04 ↗ expense a peer reviewer of our choice to

23:08 ↗ provide the technical expertise we need

23:11 ↗ to evaluate that so we are not looking

23:14 ↗ to the public i mean we welcome any

23:17 ↗ perspective that they provide but we are

23:19 ↗ not relying on the public to provide

23:21 ↗ that technical expertise

23:24 ↗ okay i think that's helpful

23:25 ↗ understanding the difference and and

23:26 ↗ resourcing the city was that was a great

23:29 ↗ answer um

23:30 ↗ two two additional questions um i know

23:33 ↗ some of the applications or the

23:36 ↗ checklists seem to have like some fairly

23:38 ↗ substantial details that were not

23:40 ↗ confirmed at the time is there any touch

23:42 ↗ point with the public after later in the

23:44 ↗ process on some of those projects where

23:46 ↗ those those details might be

23:48 ↗ confirmed um that's a great question

23:54 ↗ so i would say um the level two projects

23:58 ↗ would take more effort uh on the

24:01 ↗ community's part

24:03 ↗ level two projects um require public

24:06 ↗ notice and there would be

24:09 ↗ there is a comment period that's

24:11 ↗ associated with them

24:12 ↗ but the decision is made by staff

24:15 ↗ and so there wouldn't be a public

24:17 ↗ meeting or a public hearing at which

24:20 ↗ people could um

24:22 ↗ rejoin you know to comment or learn more

24:26 ↗ um however

24:28 ↗ um

24:28 ↗ [Music]

24:30 ↗ i think three of the projects that were

24:33 ↗ shown

24:34 ↗ will have a public hearing and so now

24:37 ↗ that these people have commented um they

24:40 ↗ would be parties of record and receive

24:43 ↗ notice and be able to receive the staff

24:46 ↗ report attend the meeting

24:48 ↗ ask more questions

24:50 ↗ the other thing i would also add is that

24:54 ↗ um

24:55 ↗ the city and

24:56 ↗ and i

24:57 ↗ i think some cities do this but i know

25:00 ↗ we've been doing it for a long time we

25:02 ↗ have what we call the active projects

25:04 ↗ page and that is

25:07 ↗ a public-facing gis page on which

25:10 ↗ permits that are in

25:13 ↗ construction or land use review or under

25:16 ↗ construction

25:18 ↗ show up on a map and people who want to

25:20 ↗ get more information

25:22 ↗ can see many of the key drawings and

25:25 ↗ documents that are submitted so if

25:28 ↗ someone

25:30 ↗ because this is in an early stage we're

25:33 ↗ likely to get more submittals updated

25:35 ↗ critical area studies revised land use

25:38 ↗ permits drawings

25:40 ↗ and someone who was interested could um

25:45 ↗ uh you know check that page and see when

25:48 ↗ new submittals come in and then add

25:50 ↗ their own comments

25:52 ↗ that does take a little more motivation

25:55 ↗ so it sounds like it's for the project

25:57 ↗ of a certain level the public hearing is

25:59 ↗ really that opportunity

26:01 ↗ for the most part is that that's the

26:03 ↗ easiest one there are certainly i mean

26:05 ↗ we take comment

26:06 ↗ all the way up until a decision is

26:08 ↗ rendered but we're um not pushing as

26:11 ↗ much information out for the level two

26:13 ↗ permits as we would be for the level

26:16 ↗ three and up

26:18 ↗ okay awesome uh then my final one

26:21 ↗ um i think a lot of where i can see

26:24 ↗ potential value for these checklists is

26:27 ↗ that like aggregating some of the

26:30 ↗ the outcomes and the the critical errors

26:32 ↗ that are being impacted are there any

26:34 ↗ plans to

26:35 ↗ across projects or say for a year

26:39 ↗ aggregate the results like the the not

26:41 ↗ the critical errors being packed how

26:44 ↗ people chose to or did not choose to

26:45 ↗ mitigate um or is it really each one of

26:48 ↗ these checklists supposed to live in

26:50 ↗ isolation

26:54 ↗ i'm unaware that we're aggregating

26:57 ↗ information at this at this point um

27:03 ↗ it's an interesting question

27:06 ↗ i think probably one of the most

27:10 ↗ the nicest coincidences

27:12 ↗ of the

27:15 ↗ bringing this to you and giving you an

27:17 ↗ opportunity to see things is that title

27:20 ↗ 18 is currently under review and we are

27:23 ↗ really looking to this update and our

27:26 ↗ consultant team

27:27 ↗ to improve our um

27:31 ↗ critical area regulations and

27:33 ↗ protections

27:35 ↗ um i'm not sure that that means that we

27:37 ↗ should be aggregating information that

27:39 ↗ that would be a separate conversation

27:42 ↗ but i think we're going to have much

27:44 ↗ more up-to-date um protections that will

27:46 ↗ be available

27:49 ↗ great thank you lucy

27:58 ↗ you're unmute nancy all right

28:00 ↗ dan has a follow-up go ahead dan

28:02 ↗ yeah thanks nancy uh dan hintz um

28:05 ↗ yeah i was kind of kind of along jamie's

28:07 ↗ lines is it required to provide like

28:10 ↗ let's say the acreage of category three

28:12 ↗ wetland that's going to be impacted or

28:14 ↗ acreage or length of stream stream

28:16 ↗ buffer kind of along the lines of trying

28:18 ↗ to figure out what the

28:19 ↗ kind of total impacts are um

28:22 ↗ like i see at least the designations in

28:24 ↗ the example that was in the packet but

28:26 ↗ nothing on you know specific area or age

28:28 ↗ range or stream length

28:31 ↗ um

28:33 ↗ i don't think that we have specifically

28:36 ↗ gotten it that way

28:37 ↗ um but i think that's a that's a good

28:41 ↗ question of whether that would be a

28:43 ↗ piece of information

28:45 ↗ that um

28:48 ↗ the board would want to know and you

28:51 ↗ know to that question of

28:53 ↗ the effort

28:56 ↗ the city uses

28:58 ↗ a um permit review

29:01 ↗ excuse me program called bluebeam

29:04 ↗ which allows us to scale things and

29:07 ↗ measure areas so

29:09 ↗ that seems like um

29:13 ↗ something that potentially wouldn't be

29:15 ↗ hard to do

29:16 ↗ as long as we can figure out how to do

29:18 ↗ it consistently and in a meaningful way

29:21 ↗ for the board

29:27 ↗ are there any other questions don go

29:30 ↗ ahead please

29:33 ↗ just one for clarification um is this in

29:36 ↗ addition to the sipa checklist that

29:38 ↗ these folks are required to do or is

29:39 ↗ this separate from the cepa checklist

29:43 ↗ don i can just barely hear you i don't

29:45 ↗ know if it's my fan or your um computer

29:48 ↗ or an unfortunate combination could you

29:50 ↗ say that again please let me try that

29:52 ↗ again can you hear me better now yes i

29:54 ↗ can thank you so much um noting the sipa

29:56 ↗ checklist that the state requires this

29:58 ↗ is this in combination with the

30:00 ↗ cdhsquist is it part of it or is it

30:02 ↗ standalone as its own critical areas

30:05 ↗ checklist specific to support

30:07 ↗ that's a great question so um

30:11 ↗ let me just

30:12 ↗ give a little bit of an introduction

30:15 ↗ to this so cpa is the state

30:18 ↗ environmental policy act

30:20 ↗ and for projects over certain thresholds

30:24 ↗ um an applicant is required to submit a

30:28 ↗ cepa checklist which

30:30 ↗ um evaluates a project on say let's say

30:34 ↗ 16 different categories

30:37 ↗ and

30:39 ↗ and then the staff use that to

30:43 ↗ evaluate the project and determine if

30:46 ↗ there are any

30:48 ↗ significant adverse impacts that are not

30:51 ↗ being otherwise mitigated through for

30:54 ↗ instance existing regulations

30:57 ↗ um

30:58 ↗ so i think the thing i i would say is

31:01 ↗ these these

31:02 ↗ maybe that's an important fortunate

31:04 ↗ choice that they're both called

31:05 ↗ checklists because they're two separate

31:06 ↗ checklists

31:08 ↗ um

31:09 ↗ the process that we're going through

31:11 ↗ with the environmental neighborhood

31:12 ↗ meeting

31:14 ↗ uh and

31:15 ↗ the products that we're creating from

31:17 ↗ those meetings the checklist that's

31:19 ↗ going to come to the board

31:21 ↗ um

31:22 ↗ one of the key things is to try and make

31:24 ↗ sure give the the community an

31:25 ↗ opportunity to tell us if there's

31:27 ↗ something maybe about the area that we

31:29 ↗ don't know

31:30 ↗ um you know is there

31:32 ↗ some endangered species or something

31:35 ↗ about the site that maybe

31:37 ↗ uh your average uh

31:40 ↗ uh

31:42 ↗ consultant who's coming out to the site

31:44 ↗ for the first time might not know about

31:47 ↗ and then

31:48 ↗ the information and comments and

31:51 ↗ questions and concerns that are raised

31:52 ↗ by the public

31:54 ↗ are then folded into

31:57 ↗ the critical area study you know we may

31:59 ↗ go back to the

32:01 ↗ their consultant and our prayer reviewer

32:03 ↗ and say we want you to check this out

32:05 ↗ and find out if this is in fact true or

32:08 ↗ not

32:09 ↗ and um you know as i described

32:12 ↗ the peer reviewer and the applicant's

32:15 ↗ consultant team go back and forth until

32:18 ↗ um

32:19 ↗ the uh critical area study meets the

32:21 ↗ city city's requirements and then it's

32:24 ↗ considered approved

32:26 ↗ and that's a tool that approved critical

32:28 ↗ area study

32:29 ↗ is a tool

32:31 ↗ that the city uses in deciding what

32:34 ↗ conditions

32:35 ↗ need to be applied through cpa so it's

32:39 ↗ more a linear process than

32:42 ↗ a combined process i hope that makes

32:45 ↗ sense

32:46 ↗ yeah that does thank you

32:49 ↗ you're welcome

32:52 ↗ are there any other questions from the

32:54 ↗ board

32:59 ↗ okay at this point i'll open up to

33:01 ↗ comments does anybody have any comments

33:04 ↗ on the

33:05 ↗ checklist and how it's being used

33:11 ↗ jamie go ahead please

33:13 ↗ thank you nancy jamie finch speaking

33:15 ↗ um i think my one direct answer to the

33:18 ↗ questions that you posed

33:20 ↗ um was

33:22 ↗ i think it would be helpful especially

33:24 ↗ as we look back at the end of the year

33:26 ↗ to identify the number of comments that

33:29 ↗ were received for a cert like beyond

33:30 ↗ just the number of attendees any

33:32 ↗ specific comments that were submitted as

33:34 ↗ well i don't know if that's currently

33:36 ↗ included but i think would be helpful to

33:38 ↗ identify whether there was controversy

33:39 ↗ or

33:40 ↗ something else that we should be

33:42 ↗ in particular looking at a given project

33:46 ↗ could i ask a question

33:48 ↗ yeah

33:48 ↗ um

33:50 ↗ so

33:51 ↗ um

33:52 ↗ right now i'm doing this from memory but

33:54 ↗ i believe what the checklist shows

33:57 ↗ is the number of attendees

33:59 ↗ and the number of written comments are

34:02 ↗ so are you referring to written comments

34:05 ↗ or are you thinking about

34:07 ↗ spoken comments

34:09 ↗ uh written and i think i must have

34:11 ↗ missed that in the checklist that was

34:13 ↗ there because that was okay i think it'd

34:15 ↗ be there that was

34:17 ↗ yeah fair enough um there was a lot to

34:19 ↗ look at i think if you if you found the

34:21 ↗ place

34:23 ↗ where it gave the number of attendees

34:26 ↗ that first paragraph you know is like

34:28 ↗ number of attendees and then there's

34:30 ↗ another paragraph before it goes to a

34:31 ↗ different category that i believe says

34:34 ↗ how many written comments were received

34:37 ↗ okay i'm seeing that now thank you okay

34:39 ↗ great

34:40 ↗ i just wanted to make sure i was

34:41 ↗ tracking

34:42 ↗ yeah and i think overall um and this

34:46 ↗ relates to my last question that i asked

34:47 ↗ i do think especially for

34:50 ↗ what we're being asked to do is to try

34:52 ↗ to advise at the policy level and

34:54 ↗ throughout a year there's going to be a

34:56 ↗ large number of projects a large number

34:58 ↗ of outcomes to me

35:00 ↗ regardless of what is in the checklist

35:02 ↗ and i think i have less comments there

35:04 ↗ um seems like a lot of the information

35:05 ↗ we would need i think the ability to

35:08 ↗ understand the higher level and and

35:09 ↗ being able to aggregate

35:11 ↗ um what has happened across

35:14 ↗ the year um to help us understand how

35:16 ↗ certain critical errors are being

35:17 ↗ impacted etc and i'll just provide an

35:20 ↗ example which i'm probably going to

35:21 ↗ misspeak a little bit here but just

35:23 ↗ of what i would hope to be able to like

35:26 ↗ provide comment on at the end of the

35:28 ↗ year like for example we had in 2021

35:31 ↗ there were 15 level three permits of

35:33 ↗ which five impacted

35:35 ↗ wetland areas let's say of those three

35:38 ↗ used buffer averaging one use reduce the

35:40 ↗ buffer buffer through some means that

35:43 ↗ would be detailed and then one left the

35:45 ↗ buffer unchanged and

35:47 ↗ i think being able to understand like

35:48 ↗ how people like if we're advising on

35:51 ↗ policy understanding how people are how

35:53 ↗ many projects are actually

35:55 ↗ like relevant to something that we might

35:57 ↗ be working on then how are people

35:59 ↗ actually

36:00 ↗ reacting to the options that they're

36:02 ↗ given so i think

36:04 ↗ questions that within the

36:06 ↗ um

36:07 ↗ checklist and i think a lot of this is

36:08 ↗ captured that really make it clear

36:11 ↗ and easy to report on of like

36:13 ↗ this were these were the options that

36:14 ↗ that that applicant had this is what

36:17 ↗ they selected so that we can understand

36:19 ↗ at the end of the year

36:21 ↗ or whatever time period um

36:23 ↗ how are people using this and then try

36:25 ↗ to understand

36:26 ↗ the long the impacts from that but

36:28 ↗ that's really i think the most key thing

36:30 ↗ for me because i think it's going to be

36:30 ↗ really difficult for our board to get

36:32 ↗ into the detail of any single one of

36:34 ↗ these individual

36:36 ↗ checklists

36:37 ↗ um unless there's something that's a

36:38 ↗ huge outlier with tons of comments that

36:40 ↗ we should be aware of but i do think for

36:42 ↗ us to really be able to advise well and

36:45 ↗ and

36:46 ↗ and be informed over some period of time

36:49 ↗ making the questions and the feedback

36:50 ↗ that provided easily aggregateable and

36:52 ↗ something that the city could consider

36:54 ↗ providing that as as a report out to the

36:57 ↗ environmental board at the end of the

36:58 ↗ year

36:59 ↗ so

37:00 ↗ in in

37:01 ↗ just to make sure i'm tracking your your

37:03 ↗ comments what i'm hearing is that chart

37:06 ↗ that i provided in the memo expanding

37:09 ↗ that

37:10 ↗ to um not just list the critical areas

37:13 ↗ but for instance provide some

37:15 ↗ information about um

37:18 ↗ impacts

37:20 ↗ actions

37:21 ↗ um not in any kind of detail but to

37:24 ↗ provide that sort of overview context

37:28 ↗ of um

37:29 ↗ [Music]

37:30 ↗ what uh

37:31 ↗ i i you know as you said uh what options

37:34 ↗ did the applicant have and what options

37:36 ↗ did they exercise

37:38 ↗ um

37:39 ↗ [Music]

37:41 ↗ yeah so you would also like some context

37:44 ↗ of

37:45 ↗ how many of those

37:47 ↗ say level three permits had critical

37:49 ↗ areas and how many didn't so that you

37:51 ↗ have a sense of

37:54 ↗ where to just have some context for what

37:56 ↗ you're yeah i think that's that's really

37:58 ↗ in the end we might decide like if

38:00 ↗ there's a certain

38:02 ↗ thing that is way higher incidence than

38:04 ↗ everything else maybe we should be like

38:05 ↗ evaluating that portion more with more

38:08 ↗ detail so i think that's where some of

38:10 ↗ this reporting would help us not only

38:12 ↗ provide good feedback but also know

38:14 ↗ where to dive in deeper and and how we

38:16 ↗ should be thinking about something uh

38:19 ↗ maybe differently or at least looking at

38:20 ↗ some more of the detail in it

38:22 ↗ yeah and that's a great point because

38:24 ↗ for instance with when we were working

38:26 ↗ on the shoreline master program update

38:28 ↗ there were some things that we were

38:30 ↗ considering changing but no one had

38:33 ↗ exercised those incentives in 10 years

38:35 ↗ and so it wasn't a good investment

38:38 ↗ of trying to

38:40 ↗ consider changing it much because it

38:42 ↗ wasn't something that we were seeing a

38:44 ↗ lot of interest in so thank you that

38:46 ↗ helps

38:47 ↗ yeah thanks lucy

38:50 ↗ i want to add on there's two of us that

38:51 ↗ want to add on to what jamie just said

38:54 ↗ so lucy

38:55 ↗ in

38:56 ↗ as i considered this

38:58 ↗ i would love to see the city come up

39:00 ↗ with a report card at the end of the

39:02 ↗ year that says that we lost

39:04 ↗ you know five acres of wetlands i'm just

39:06 ↗ using that or

39:08 ↗ 10 trees of certain diameter and we um

39:13 ↗ you know replace them with this so at

39:15 ↗ the end of the day since we're talking

39:17 ↗ about climate change and impacts to the

39:20 ↗ environment we can actually get a

39:22 ↗ scoreboard or a report card because we

39:24 ↗ have to give a report every year and

39:26 ↗ it's very hard to do this with very the

39:29 ↗ subjective information we're kind of

39:30 ↗ getting but it would be really nice if

39:33 ↗ in these if the applicants would tell us

39:36 ↗ how

39:36 ↗ much wetlands they're doing how much

39:38 ↗ they're replacing so we can say or you

39:41 ↗ know enhancing or buffering or whatever

39:43 ↗ but it help it would help us provide a

39:45 ↗ report card to the community of how

39:47 ↗ we're doing on the environment

39:49 ↗ particularly in light of the climate

39:50 ↗ change initiatives we're trying to do

39:52 ↗ along the way um and i know there's

39:54 ↗ others that want to add on to jamie's

39:56 ↗ comments do you have any questions for

39:58 ↗ me lucy before i turn it over to someone

40:00 ↗ else

40:02 ↗ um no i i i think you know what i'm

40:05 ↗ hearing is

40:07 ↗ some of the um

40:09 ↗ stuff in the checklist

40:11 ↗ is

40:12 ↗ um

40:13 ↗ tangible but it's not numerical and and

40:17 ↗ so it's hard to get a sense of the

40:19 ↗ actual impact so i i understand what you

40:23 ↗ mean by report card and still clearly

40:26 ↗ okay

40:27 ↗ um and don if you had some additions

40:29 ↗ that you want to add it to jamie so i'll

40:31 ↗ let you go ahead please

40:32 ↗ yeah just real quick let's see just

40:34 ↗ something for consideration well into

40:36 ↗ the future

40:37 ↗ for your gis team it would be great to

40:39 ↗ be able to see this visually somehow

40:42 ↗ so year after year speak up again i'm

40:45 ↗ sorry i'm really having a hard time

40:46 ↗ hearing you

40:47 ↗ i don't know what's going on my mic

40:49 ↗ today sorry um it would be great to see

40:51 ↗ this visually somehow maybe in a gis

40:54 ↗ format so year after year be able to

40:57 ↗ monitor the effects of development in

40:59 ↗ issaquah and you know what are we losing

41:01 ↗ what are we gaining

41:03 ↗ those type of things

41:10 ↗ all right

41:11 ↗ with that we're going to go back to dan

41:13 ↗ who had a comment go ahead dan please

41:16 ↗ thanks nancy uh dan hence again um

41:19 ↗ i guess i have a comment and maybe a

41:20 ↗ question on kind of two areas in the

41:21 ↗ checklist one is kind of following up on

41:23 ↗ my question in the previous part of this

41:25 ↗ conversation

41:27 ↗ um even going a step above i was asking

41:29 ↗ specifically about like

41:31 ↗ you know square footage or acreage of

41:33 ↗ wetland impacts or stream buffer links

41:36 ↗ or things like that is it actually

41:38 ↗ required as part of this checklist i'm

41:40 ↗ looking at the mine hill

41:42 ↗ um example and in the project

41:44 ↗ description it provides you know class 2

41:46 ↗ stream class uh six stream category

41:49 ↗ three wetlands you know moderate coal

41:51 ↗ mine hazard steep slopes

41:53 ↗ um and i was wondering if that was just

41:55 ↗ you know additional information provided

41:56 ↗ for this specific project or

41:59 ↗ uh if that's actually required to have

42:01 ↗ some of the you know kind of category

42:03 ↗ listings for the critical areas

42:07 ↗ so that's a great question we typically

42:11 ↗ need the classifications of the critical

42:14 ↗ area

42:15 ↗ because that's how we know what buffer

42:17 ↗ is required and how to evaluate

42:20 ↗ um

42:21 ↗ that particular critical area and

42:23 ↗ whether it's being impacted or um

42:27 ↗ you know protected

42:28 ↗ as required um

42:31 ↗ so but i don't think so the the

42:34 ↗ classification

42:36 ↗ uh you know i i know dan you know a lot

42:39 ↗ about this but you know wetlands

42:41 ↗ it's often there's habitat scores and

42:43 ↗ there are all these factors that come

42:45 ↗ into determining what the appropriate

42:48 ↗ buffer

42:49 ↗ is

42:50 ↗ some other critical areas it's much more

42:53 ↗ straightforward if it's class

42:55 ↗ 2 it's a buffer of why and then you can

42:58 ↗ make a request if you meet certain

43:00 ↗ criteria

43:01 ↗ at least under the current code to

43:03 ↗ get reductions

43:05 ↗ um

43:07 ↗ if you were asked so that is part that

43:10 ↗ is an essential part of what we get

43:12 ↗ i don't think that we typically

43:15 ↗ get the kind of information that you

43:17 ↗ were mentioning such as square feet or

43:21 ↗ acres of impact or enhancement or

43:24 ↗ a length of stream

43:26 ↗ that's being impacted or enhanced

43:29 ↗ i don't think we tend to get that

43:31 ↗ numerical information um but as i said

43:34 ↗ i'm not sure that would be

43:37 ↗ as long as we had a consistent

43:39 ↗ methodology so we were getting

43:41 ↗ um meaningful information i'm not sure

43:44 ↗ that would be too hard to

43:46 ↗ request

43:47 ↗ okay that's great i mean i guess that's

43:49 ↗ my comment then i would you know

43:50 ↗ personally like to see um you know i

43:52 ↗ don't even know in the specific critical

43:54 ↗ area a little check box if you know yeah

43:56 ↗ some of these i'm less familiar with

43:57 ↗ wetlands you know we have our four

43:58 ↗ categories i know for cara and isoqua i

44:01 ↗ believe there's a few different classes

44:02 ↗ so i feel like a few of them might be

44:04 ↗ more straightforward in terms of some

44:05 ↗ specific

44:06 ↗ um classification or

44:09 ↗ categorization of the critical area so i

44:12 ↗ guess personally i'd like to see that as

44:14 ↗ a requirement and

44:15 ↗ instead of just acknowledging that

44:17 ↗ they're on site i'd be curious what the

44:18 ↗ actual

44:20 ↗ impacts are so getting kind of into some

44:22 ↗ of those metrics um so that's that's

44:24 ↗ kind of my one comment on on the

44:26 ↗ specific critical area information list

44:28 ↗ there

44:29 ↗ um in some of the um

44:31 ↗ beyond code compliance and critical

44:33 ↗ areas

44:34 ↗ um and this might be more of a

44:36 ↗ conversation for

44:38 ↗ title 18 but um as a um you know

44:43 ↗ big uh supporter of the urban canopy we

44:46 ↗ have here in issaquah um i i do think it

44:49 ↗ can be a little misleading on this total

44:51 ↗ caliper inches of significant trees i'm

44:53 ↗ not sure off the top my head what is

44:55 ↗ defined as a significant tree

44:57 ↗ um

44:58 ↗ by doing this 30 threshold you know it

45:00 ↗ leaves a lot of

45:01 ↗ room to keep some of the smaller

45:02 ↗ significant trees and get rid of you

45:04 ↗ know older or certain species that are

45:06 ↗ much harder to establish on site there's

45:08 ↗ also no guidance on um you know once

45:10 ↗ again going back to the actual areas of

45:12 ↗ impact if you're keeping 30 percent of

45:14 ↗ your total caliper inches on site you

45:15 ↗ know you could theoretically be losing a

45:17 ↗ hundred percent in the critical areas is

45:19 ↗ my assumption i'm making but

45:21 ↗ uh that kind of goes back to i guess my

45:22 ↗ first comment of just having some better

45:24 ↗ ideas of the actual impact in areas so

45:27 ↗ um

45:28 ↗ yeah i think i'll leave it at that and

45:30 ↗ see if other people have

45:32 ↗ let me add a little bit about trees um

45:34 ↗ because i think that's um

45:36 ↗ um

45:37 ↗ that's sort of our next bucket of title

45:40 ↗ 18 work that's coming up um

45:43 ↗ uh i know we're working to figure out

45:46 ↗ the

45:47 ↗ environmental boards roll with other

45:49 ↗ buckets beyond the first one which you

45:51 ↗ were involved with

45:53 ↗ there are specific caliper inches i

45:56 ↗ believe it's six inches for most trees

45:59 ↗ and eight inches

46:01 ↗ for

46:02 ↗ like

46:03 ↗ cottonwoods and alders i believe

46:06 ↗ that you have to be above that to be

46:08 ↗ considered a significant tree

46:10 ↗ you uh the tree retention cannot count

46:15 ↗ anything in critical areas or their

46:17 ↗ buffers you're already required to

46:19 ↗ protect that so that's completely off

46:21 ↗ the table

46:22 ↗ um

46:23 ↗ and

46:24 ↗ the other piece um

46:28 ↗ there was another thing i was going to

46:30 ↗ say but i would also add that um tree

46:33 ↗ canopy

46:34 ↗ is separately evaluated by the city um

46:37 ↗ the parks department does that i'm not

46:39 ↗ saying it's not relevant to this it's

46:41 ↗ absolutely relevant to the work you're

46:43 ↗ doing um

46:44 ↗ it's just not something that cpd does

46:46 ↗ it's just that the actions that take

46:48 ↗ place in our department are

46:51 ↗ essential to that and um that is i think

46:54 ↗ something you'll hear

46:56 ↗ um

46:57 ↗ mini dollywall talk about when we talk

47:00 ↗ talk about the goals and outcomes for

47:01 ↗ title 18

47:03 ↗ because um maintaining tree canopy was

47:06 ↗ certainly one of the goals and outcomes

47:08 ↗ established by the council

47:11 ↗ but that might not be um

47:14 ↗ different neighborhoods might be handled

47:16 ↗ differently because different

47:17 ↗ neighborhoods have different land uses

47:20 ↗ have different amounts of existing trees

47:22 ↗ so there's a lot of discussion that

47:24 ↗ we're um looking forward to having

47:26 ↗ around the trees

47:28 ↗ all right thanks lucy yeah

47:32 ↗ okay i think i'm up next i'm nancy

47:34 ↗ davidson and i just have a couple of

47:36 ↗ comments on the neighborhood

47:38 ↗ meeting information

47:40 ↗ first of all when looking at the

47:42 ↗ information it

47:44 ↗ appeared there weren't a lot of maps

47:46 ↗ trying to give you context of where

47:47 ↗ we're at and where the critical areas

47:49 ↗ are

47:50 ↗ and

47:51 ↗ for the public at large it would be nice

47:53 ↗ to have maps of the site and

47:56 ↗ the critical areas on that site that

47:59 ↗ have been identified um i just think

48:02 ↗ it's better information

48:03 ↗ uh the second piece that i would like to

48:05 ↗ add is that um

48:08 ↗ offside impacts i think is something

48:11 ↗ that should be considered and that's i

48:13 ↗ know a huge can of worms to open up

48:16 ↗ because everything flows to like

48:17 ↗ sammamish here pretty much

48:19 ↗ and you know so you can always say

48:20 ↗ you're impacting lakes and mammoths but

48:22 ↗ um i would just ask you to consider

48:25 ↗ off-site impacts because you know storm

48:28 ↗ water or

48:29 ↗ you know impacts to wetlands affect

48:31 ↗ people downstream or trees do as well

48:34 ↗ and um it seems very

48:37 ↗ limiting to just focus on the critical

48:39 ↗ areas on the site and i think we're not

48:41 ↗ doing a good job if that's all we're

48:43 ↗ doing

48:44 ↗ those i've already provided my other

48:46 ↗ comments elsewhere under jamie so i'll

48:49 ↗ move on to others and next we have uh

48:52 ↗ don did you have any more comments don i

48:54 ↗ know you wanted to speak you're good

48:55 ↗ okay next we have cameron cameron go

48:57 ↗ ahead

48:58 ↗ thank you uh nancy uh cameron fisher

49:01 ↗ here uh just a

49:03 ↗ follow-up to to dan uh your your

49:06 ↗ question and comments to lucy about uh

49:09 ↗ including acreage or stream links

49:12 ↗ in the documents

49:14 ↗ from from my experience and what i saw

49:16 ↗ on the the rivers and stream board when

49:18 ↗ i said on that um the the critical area

49:21 ↗ reports typically it would identify the

49:24 ↗ the resource the critical area um

49:26 ↗ however obviously some of it uh so for

49:29 ↗ example a wetland would extend off site

49:31 ↗ so to get an accurate um

49:34 ↗ uh sizing of the wetland um

49:37 ↗ in

49:38 ↗ as an overall is as

49:40 ↗ somewhat impossible though they could

49:41 ↗ identify what's in on the uh the site as

49:44 ↗ well as similar with the the extreme

49:46 ↗ length um but at the end of the day um

49:50 ↗ the focus more from from both the city

49:52 ↗ but also from the state and the federal

49:55 ↗ level uh the army corps or ecology is

49:57 ↗ what is the level of impact associated

50:00 ↗ with the the development onto the

50:02 ↗ wetland and how are you going to

50:04 ↗ mitigate that if it's restoration

50:06 ↗ [Music]

50:07 ↗ you know enhancement or whatever it

50:09 ↗ might be

50:10 ↗ so so that's really where the

50:12 ↗ the square footage or the acreage or the

50:14 ↗ linear foot uh of that critical area

50:18 ↗ comes into play

50:20 ↗ thank you

50:24 ↗ thank you cameron does anybody else have

50:26 ↗ any comments at this point in time

50:30 ↗ excuse me this is megan um i saw ann i

50:33 ↗ think you sent something to me privately

50:35 ↗ did you have a

50:36 ↗ comment

50:37 ↗ that you meant to send to everyone

50:41 ↗ thanks i this is anne newcomb here um

50:44 ↗ i changed that so that won't happen

50:46 ↗ again

50:46 ↗ uh

50:48 ↗ nancy uh keeps um taking care of all my

50:52 ↗ questions and comments so mine was just

50:53 ↗ going to be about the downstream effects

50:57 ↗ in this case it would be

50:59 ↗ i think mostly downstream effects of

51:01 ↗ water runoff

51:11 ↗ is that all that you have anne

51:13 ↗ yeah and you had already talked about it

51:15 ↗ so it was the right redundant

51:18 ↗ thank you sorry about that uh jamie go

51:21 ↗ ahead please

51:22 ↗ thank you nancy jamie thank you speaking

51:24 ↗ super quick comment

51:26 ↗ um i know in the title 18 meeting that

51:29 ↗ uh we had with minnie and the rest of

51:31 ↗ the team a couple weeks ago one of the

51:33 ↗ things they mentioned was some was kind

51:35 ↗ of a rating scale for

51:37 ↗ and i don't know exactly what it was

51:38 ↗ going to be called or like a

51:40 ↗ sustainability score for a project so i

51:42 ↗ just think as we figure out new things

51:44 ↗ from title 18 or that that process or

51:47 ↗ anything else you might just think about

51:49 ↗ including those

51:50 ↗ into into this checklist so that

51:53 ↗ i don't know what that's going to be but

51:54 ↗ that does seem like something would be

51:56 ↗ relevant for us to take a look at

52:00 ↗ you faded out there at the end at least

52:02 ↗ for me

52:03 ↗ um

52:04 ↗ you you mentioned the rating for

52:06 ↗ sustainability

52:08 ↗ and including that in the checklist

52:12 ↗ was there more

52:14 ↗ that you were saying jamie i just wanted

52:16 ↗ to make sure i didn't miss it

52:18 ↗ yeah it was it was only mentioned at a

52:20 ↗ super high level and i'm trying to

52:21 ↗ remember the exact details but i don't

52:24 ↗ know if minnie has

52:26 ↗ something to add but i know there had

52:28 ↗ been discussion of a more comprehensive

52:31 ↗ uh scoring system for development

52:33 ↗ projects

52:35 ↗ um many do you have i thought you just

52:36 ↗ came on video do you have more that i

52:38 ↗ just can't really sure yeah i think it

52:41 ↗ was related to the sustainability

52:42 ↗ discussion whether um is you know there

52:45 ↗ are two approaches that we build in the

52:47 ↗ sustainability in each of the individual

52:49 ↗ title 18 chapters

52:51 ↗ or we create some kind of a

52:53 ↗ a point system to say uh you know you

52:56 ↗ may need to meet so many points for you

52:59 ↗ to do this development and you can do it

53:01 ↗ by a menu of choices

53:03 ↗ you know from rain gardens to

53:06 ↗ green roofs to whatever the you know

53:09 ↗ is assessed in terms of the importance

53:11 ↗ and that's tied in with the climate

53:13 ↗ action plan you know the policy level

53:15 ↗ work will occur and then that'll inform

53:17 ↗ what that rating system or point system

53:20 ↗ if that's the choice uh it's what should

53:22 ↗ go in um

53:24 ↗ but in terms of the wetland and the

53:26 ↗ stream impacts you know great discussion

53:29 ↗ and uh

53:31 ↗ i think it's important to figure out

53:32 ↗ what would we do with these performance

53:35 ↗ measures um

53:37 ↗ and having a synthesized uh you know

53:39 ↗ what i heard was individual reports are

53:41 ↗ good but they're not giving you a

53:43 ↗ a picture overall at the scale of the

53:45 ↗ city

53:46 ↗ so what you're seeing now is a slice of

53:49 ↗ things that are happening to the

53:50 ↗ critical areas

53:52 ↗ as they relate to development in

53:54 ↗ addition to the development there's the

53:55 ↗ restoration that's happening uh dan gave

53:58 ↗ us a great tour of the work they've done

54:00 ↗ uh on lakeshore amish state park um so

54:03 ↗ it's you know these tools and this

54:06 ↗ checklist is actually just showing you

54:08 ↗ what when development occurs

54:11 ↗ what what is impacted um and when we

54:14 ↗ issue them an approval uh so the

54:16 ↗ different stages of review so what when

54:19 ↗ this checklist is prepared it's early in

54:21 ↗ the in the project we are trying to

54:23 ↗ solicit and be transparent with the

54:25 ↗ community of here's a project going on

54:27 ↗ if you know of any information uh you

54:30 ↗ know we're trying to solicit information

54:32 ↗ and preparing this checklist by the time

54:34 ↗ it gets to an approval stage and we

54:37 ↗ issue them an approval we do capture

54:40 ↗ some of those things so

54:41 ↗ if there is an impact to the buffer

54:44 ↗ there is a code requirement that they

54:46 ↗ have a one-to-one ratio or if they're

54:49 ↗ filling a wetland it's one to 12 ratio

54:52 ↗ so we do capture that in our findings

54:55 ↗ of the total impact and what the

54:57 ↗ mitigation was done and it doesn't stop

54:59 ↗ at that point after the decision is made

55:02 ↗ and they do the the mitigation on site

55:05 ↗ they're required generally to monitor it

55:07 ↗ for five years sometimes when it

55:09 ↗ requires a core permit they have to

55:10 ↗ monitor it for 10 years so you can't

55:13 ↗ just plant and walk away you have to

55:15 ↗ make sure that the plants thrive and you

55:17 ↗ know you give them the the care it's

55:19 ↗ needed for it to become a successful

55:22 ↗ mitigation site so there are those kind

55:25 ↗ of measures that are done over a longer

55:27 ↗ period of time

55:29 ↗ um so i think as as you as a group think

55:32 ↗ about and you know like lucy said the

55:34 ↗ timing is great because you're seeing

55:36 ↗ this and you can use this information to

55:39 ↗ inform what you want the code to say

55:41 ↗ um if we want some information from the

55:44 ↗ applicant as part of their application

55:46 ↗ we can require that

55:48 ↗ you know typically i mean what type of

55:50 ↗ wetlands what kind of

55:52 ↗ stream uh that will be that is generally

55:56 ↗ always included in the critical areas

55:58 ↗ report square footages

56:00 ↗ uh of impact are usually included the

56:03 ↗ total square footage of the entire

56:06 ↗ stream stretch probably not and and i'm

56:08 ↗ not sure what we would do with that

56:10 ↗ information either

56:12 ↗ if you're after in terms of the total

56:14 ↗ score a report card overall for the city

56:18 ↗ um

56:19 ↗ then you need to take into account the

56:21 ↗ stuff that happens with development but

56:23 ↗ that stuff that happens with

56:24 ↗ environmental stewardship program you

56:26 ↗ know through the city through mountains

56:28 ↗ to sound greenway trust and other

56:30 ↗ organizations that are doing fabulous

56:31 ↗ work within our region

56:34 ↗ and some of that collection of data at

56:35 ↗ wire eight may also be occurring um and

56:39 ↗ department of ecology even goes broader

56:41 ↗ and they look at the state of affairs at

56:44 ↗ a state level

56:45 ↗ you know and generally as development

56:48 ↗ and uh occurs there is more impact and

56:51 ↗ and in case of issue you know all of

56:53 ↗ that impact is probably already

56:55 ↗ uh you know it's a developed site so a

56:57 ↗ lot of these um

56:59 ↗ critical areas are already within close

57:02 ↗ proximity of development

57:04 ↗ makes them even more valuable because

57:06 ↗ they provide a better function for flood

57:08 ↗ storage and and other things that make

57:11 ↗ them even more you know even though the

57:13 ↗ categorization may be not as good

57:15 ↗ because they're

57:16 ↗ um you know full of blackberries or

57:18 ↗ whatever the case may be but

57:20 ↗ they're providing that function um to a

57:23 ↗ very high level so that's sort of

57:25 ↗ my takeaway from listening

57:27 ↗ to this great discussion

57:29 ↗ thank you minnie yeah i think my

57:32 ↗ changing a little bit what i had said

57:34 ↗ before

57:35 ↗ i do think that we might want to revisit

57:37 ↗ this checklist after title 18 is done uh

57:40 ↗ just because a lot of the decisions on

57:42 ↗ what's important and kind of what we're

57:44 ↗ doing will be made during that process

57:46 ↗ and you may just want to check back in

57:48 ↗ on

57:49 ↗ how that might impact what information

57:50 ↗ we want to track

57:52 ↗ so we will be back annually so that's a

57:55 ↗ good thing um to be able to revisit this

57:59 ↗ as we're learning more with title 18

58:02 ↗ um

58:03 ↗ two pieces i wanted to add on because

58:05 ↗ minnie brought up some really good

58:07 ↗ points there's only so much that we know

58:10 ↗ at the point that we're doing the

58:11 ↗ environmental neighborhood meeting and

58:13 ↗ so

58:14 ↗ we will have a more sort of general

58:17 ↗ um

58:18 ↗ level of information preliminary level

58:21 ↗ of information at the time that we're

58:23 ↗ doing

58:24 ↗ the checklist that's the report out from

58:26 ↗ the environmental meeting but then we

58:29 ↗ could do that kind of scorecard for

58:32 ↗ things that have gotten far enough in

58:34 ↗ the process over that year

58:36 ↗ to

58:37 ↗ give a picture and that but that may not

58:40 ↗ match up one-to-one because um

58:43 ↗ if you're doing something at an early

58:45 ↗ point in the land use process it may not

58:48 ↗ sync up it may not get through that by

58:50 ↗ the time we're reporting to you

58:52 ↗ but um

58:54 ↗ i think the other piece i i thought

58:56 ↗ about this a little bit and and i think

58:58 ↗ another piece to think about is

59:01 ↗ this checklist and the reports that

59:04 ↗ we're providing to you

59:06 ↗ annually is not the only piece of

59:08 ↗ information and i think that that you're

59:11 ↗ going to have to rely on

59:13 ↗ as part of the work that you're doing

59:15 ↗ and you know some of this

59:17 ↗ mini brought up a lot of great projects

59:20 ↗ um dan's project of restoration the

59:23 ↗ enviro cities environmental stewardship

59:25 ↗ program i think that there's a whole

59:27 ↗ number

59:28 ↗ of um

59:30 ↗ groups and entities and actions that the

59:32 ↗ city's taking

59:34 ↗ that

59:35 ↗ our piece is only one of those of a

59:38 ↗ greater collection and

59:40 ↗ i think that that will be a great thing

59:42 ↗ um not that we could ever replace megan

59:45 ↗ but whoever attempts to fill her shoes

59:49 ↗ that will be a great thing to work with

59:51 ↗ them on in terms of identifying the

59:53 ↗ different work that different

59:54 ↗ departments

59:55 ↗ are doing the kinds of reports they

59:58 ↗ could provide and how to pull that

1:00:00 ↗ together to give

1:00:03 ↗ the kind of holistic picture that for

1:00:05 ↗ instance don and others were referring

1:00:07 ↗ to

1:00:08 ↗ to understand that because i don't think

1:00:11 ↗ that the report out from the checklist

1:00:13 ↗ is likely to meet all of those needs

1:00:18 ↗ great well thank you very much both of

1:00:20 ↗ you um we had one question from janet

1:00:22 ↗ janet would you like to can you move her

1:00:24 ↗ up so we can get her question asked

1:00:27 ↗ megan

1:00:31 ↗ janet you should be able to unmute

1:00:32 ↗ yourself

1:00:39 ↗ yes

1:00:41 ↗ i have been advocating for years

1:00:44 ↗ uh about recognizing uh wildlife uh the

1:00:47 ↗ importance of wildlife

1:00:50 ↗ uh corridors

1:00:52 ↗ and i'm glad to see that there was some

1:00:54 ↗ mention of that

1:00:56 ↗ i'm i'd be interested in knowing how

1:00:59 ↗ they proposed to identify these

1:01:02 ↗ corridors

1:01:04 ↗ and i was puzzled

1:01:06 ↗ when in the talk about

1:01:09 ↗ stream buffers

1:01:11 ↗ it indicated that uh if they were um

1:01:15 ↗ the stream was a recognized wildlife

1:01:18 ↗ corridor

1:01:19 ↗ the buffers could actually be reduced

1:01:21 ↗ and i would think that you would want

1:01:23 ↗ the opposite

1:01:28 ↗ so i think that's going to be a big part

1:01:30 ↗ of the title 18 work janet i

1:01:34 ↗ um know that you and i've had that

1:01:36 ↗ conversation and i think we're very

1:01:38 ↗ happy that that's part of the

1:01:42 ↗ responsibilities or scope that our

1:01:45 ↗ consultants are working on and would

1:01:48 ↗ certainly be something that

1:01:51 ↗ this board would have an active role in

1:01:53 ↗ reviewing and discussing

1:01:55 ↗ so i i think that we know that we need

1:01:59 ↗ to address that and i think the question

1:02:02 ↗ of whether

1:02:03 ↗ um buffers

1:02:04 ↗ get reduced if you provide a wildlife

1:02:07 ↗ corridor is a great policy topic for the

1:02:10 ↗ city to take on as part of that

1:02:16 ↗ all right at this point i'm not seeing

1:02:18 ↗ any other questions from or comments

1:02:21 ↗ from the board members

1:02:23 ↗ i'll just quickly check in one last time

1:02:25 ↗ because we have other interesting topics

1:02:28 ↗ to get to tonight

1:02:30 ↗ seeing nothing at this point lucy thank

1:02:32 ↗ you very much for your on detailed and

1:02:34 ↗ very good presentation and description

1:02:36 ↗ of your work thank you hopefully you got

1:02:38 ↗ the feedback you were looking for

1:02:40 ↗ absolutely

1:02:42 ↗ all right moving on to the next agenda

1:02:44 ↗ item which is the overview of title 18

1:02:47 ↗ goals and outcomes and

1:02:49 ↗ mini dolly wall is here to present that

1:02:51 ↗ go ahead benny thank you

1:02:55 ↗ thank you chair um

1:02:57 ↗ and good evening everyone i'm going to

1:02:59 ↗ try and pull up a powerpoint here megan

1:03:03 ↗ can i

1:03:04 ↗ when i click on share can you make me a

1:03:07 ↗ presenter

1:03:08 ↗ yes let me do that now

1:03:30 ↗ should be able to present now okay

1:03:47 ↗ can you all see my screen

1:03:55 ↗ yes

1:03:56 ↗ right so um

1:03:59 ↗ you know uh when we did the whole deeper

1:04:02 ↗ dive into the environmental topics on

1:04:04 ↗ july 22nd with the combined planning and

1:04:07 ↗ policy commission and environmental

1:04:09 ↗ board

1:04:10 ↗ um you know it we became to came to us

1:04:13 ↗ that we've been bringing a lot of this

1:04:15 ↗ information to planning and policy

1:04:16 ↗ commission in terms of the overall

1:04:19 ↗ arching picture for title 18 code update

1:04:22 ↗ but we hadn't come to environmental

1:04:24 ↗ boards so thank you for the opportunity

1:04:26 ↗ tonight to uh walk you through

1:04:29 ↗ uh it's um so we want to kind of make

1:04:31 ↗ sure that everyone understands what this

1:04:33 ↗ title 18 code update is

1:04:36 ↗ um

1:04:37 ↗ so land use code is really a range of

1:04:39 ↗ development regulations at the end of

1:04:42 ↗ the day

1:04:43 ↗ these regulate how the land is

1:04:45 ↗ subdivided how it's used how it's

1:04:48 ↗ developed

1:04:49 ↗ so within the overall

1:04:51 ↗ title 18 there are multiple uh

1:04:55 ↗ chapters

1:04:56 ↗ zoning you know what is allowed in that

1:04:58 ↗ piece of property how how big the lot

1:05:01 ↗ sizes can be and what kind of

1:05:04 ↗ frontage it needs to be

1:05:06 ↗ critical areas you you took a deeper

1:05:08 ↗ dive in that um landscaping what is the

1:05:11 ↗ design of the buildings um

1:05:13 ↗ such as height parking and then how do

1:05:16 ↗ we actually process our land use

1:05:19 ↗ applications when someone comes in to

1:05:20 ↗ develop their piece of property so

1:05:23 ↗ that's all part of this whole title 18.

1:05:26 ↗ um a little bit of background for a city

1:05:28 ↗ of issaquah you know it was first

1:05:30 ↗ adopted in 1996 and then

1:05:34 ↗ a lot of development occurred through

1:05:35 ↗ development agreements like the isoqua

1:05:37 ↗ highlands the telus development and then

1:05:39 ↗ over the years it became a patchwork of

1:05:43 ↗ ordinances as those development

1:05:44 ↗ agreements um expired they became

1:05:46 ↗ replacement regulations but there wasn't

1:05:49 ↗ an opportunity to do a comprehensive

1:05:51 ↗ combining of the code and

1:05:54 ↗ so the city council formed the land use

1:05:56 ↗ title 18 ad hoc committee it's made up

1:05:58 ↗ of uh three council members at the

1:06:00 ↗ moment uh council member goodman walsh

1:06:02 ↗ and

1:06:03 ↗ and council president hun

1:06:06 ↗ and they were tasked to identify

1:06:08 ↗ stakeholders recommend a project scope a

1:06:12 ↗ public engagement plan and to make

1:06:14 ↗ recommendations on the policy decisions

1:06:17 ↗ for this code update

1:06:18 ↗ and then on april of this year a city

1:06:21 ↗ council awarded

1:06:23 ↗ the

1:06:24 ↗ service contract to the consultant team

1:06:26 ↗ which is led by

1:06:28 ↗ bhc but as you saw and heard from a

1:06:31 ↗ number of consultants there are some

1:06:32 ↗ very technical items so we have a

1:06:35 ↗ consortium of consultants with their

1:06:38 ↗ expertise in a particular

1:06:40 ↗ area

1:06:41 ↗ um

1:06:42 ↗ a little bit about what's the framework

1:06:44 ↗ of land use regulations you know how do

1:06:47 ↗ these come about and these are very

1:06:50 ↗ legal regulations that can be challenged

1:06:52 ↗ in the courts so but there is a

1:06:54 ↗ framework that we we have to evaluate

1:06:56 ↗ and adopt these under

1:06:58 ↗ so at a much higher level there's the

1:07:00 ↗ growth management act which came into

1:07:02 ↗ effect in 1990 and it promotes

1:07:06 ↗ uh smart growth sustainable development

1:07:08 ↗ all the things that this board really

1:07:10 ↗ cares about

1:07:12 ↗ and then the vision 2050 which is puget

1:07:15 ↗ sound regional council actually

1:07:17 ↗ uh comes up with and does forecasting

1:07:20 ↗ for this whole puget sound region

1:07:22 ↗ looking ahead for the next 20 years 40

1:07:24 ↗ years

1:07:25 ↗ and and and really says this region is

1:07:28 ↗ going to grow by so much number how do

1:07:30 ↗ we accommodate this growth how do we

1:07:32 ↗ preserve some of these other things and

1:07:34 ↗ still be in compliance with growth

1:07:35 ↗ management act

1:07:36 ↗ and that informs the county-wide

1:07:38 ↗ planning policies at the king county

1:07:40 ↗ level

1:07:41 ↗ which then informs the local

1:07:43 ↗ comprehensive plans

1:07:45 ↗ so for the city of physique we have to

1:07:47 ↗ be in compliance with all the all these

1:07:49 ↗ underlying things the growth management

1:07:51 ↗ act vision 2050 county-wide planning

1:07:53 ↗ policies but then the community gets to

1:07:56 ↗ choose

1:07:56 ↗ how that all fits in with the vision

1:07:59 ↗ they have for their own individual

1:08:01 ↗ community

1:08:02 ↗ and those long-range plans then inform

1:08:05 ↗ these land use regulations which are the

1:08:08 ↗ implementing tool to get the vision

1:08:11 ↗ that the the city and the community

1:08:13 ↗ desires

1:08:14 ↗ a little bit about growth management

1:08:16 ↗ planning

1:08:17 ↗ like i said it encourages smart growth

1:08:19 ↗ sustainable development there are these

1:08:22 ↗ 13 14 goals

1:08:24 ↗ urban growth needs to be in places where

1:08:28 ↗ it can be supported by

1:08:30 ↗ service

1:08:32 ↗ the there is a general rule to reduce

1:08:35 ↗ the sprawl

1:08:36 ↗ that's expensive to deliver the services

1:08:39 ↗ uh as destructive to critical areas um

1:08:42 ↗ so there is an urban growth boundary

1:08:44 ↗ that uh all of the growth is supposed to

1:08:46 ↗ occur in

1:08:47 ↗ um

1:08:48 ↗ for our region and issaquah kind of

1:08:50 ↗ straddles that boundary very closely

1:08:55 ↗ the transportation you know the growth

1:08:57 ↗ management encourages efficient

1:08:59 ↗ multimodal transportation

1:09:02 ↗ for housing a wide variety of housing

1:09:05 ↗ and encourages affordable housing for

1:09:07 ↗ all segments of the population

1:09:09 ↗ economic development so it's consistent

1:09:11 ↗ with the resources and facilities

1:09:13 ↗ throughout the state

1:09:15 ↗ it also requires us to protect property

1:09:18 ↗ from arbitrary and discriminatory

1:09:20 ↗ actions

1:09:22 ↗ and

1:09:23 ↗ and issue our permits in a timely and

1:09:25 ↗ administered our permits in a very fair

1:09:27 ↗ manner

1:09:29 ↗ and so on i mean as the open space and

1:09:31 ↗ recreation areas need to be preserved

1:09:34 ↗ protect the environment

1:09:36 ↗ encourage citizen involvement in the

1:09:38 ↗ planning process

1:09:40 ↗ also some goals about historic

1:09:42 ↗ preservation and shoreline

1:09:45 ↗ which in the city of issaquah is the

1:09:47 ↗ lake sammamish and also

1:09:50 ↗ the issaquah creek and the east fork

1:09:54 ↗ so at the state level there's some

1:09:57 ↗ guidance to uh on how some of these

1:10:00 ↗ regulations for each city

1:10:02 ↗ cannot be so unique and different that

1:10:05 ↗ there isn't an over or arching goal

1:10:08 ↗ for preserving the shoreline for

1:10:10 ↗ instance

1:10:11 ↗ subdivision is a statewide

1:10:14 ↗ requirement critical areas need to be

1:10:16 ↗ updated every uh eight years uh just

1:10:20 ↗ because the best available science

1:10:22 ↗ sometimes changes and we learn more

1:10:23 ↗ about how things are um

1:10:26 ↗ things work

1:10:27 ↗ um

1:10:28 ↗ and then in terms of uh our city what

1:10:32 ↗ some of the goals and policies are

1:10:34 ↗ adopted in the strategic plan

1:10:36 ↗ in the comprehensive plan and the old

1:10:38 ↗ town sub area plan a significant amount

1:10:41 ↗ of work occurred with the central

1:10:43 ↗ issaquah plan it was a public process an

1:10:45 ↗ engaged community and adoption by the

1:10:48 ↗ council

1:10:49 ↗ uh you all may all have your

1:10:51 ↗ fingerprints and some of these uh

1:10:52 ↗ long-range plans through your

1:10:54 ↗ participation on either the board or as

1:10:56 ↗ as citizens park strategic plan

1:11:00 ↗ um mobility master plan and more

1:11:03 ↗ recently the work that you all are doing

1:11:06 ↗ on the climate action plan

1:11:08 ↗ so

1:11:09 ↗ then

1:11:11 ↗ in addition to these long-range plans

1:11:13 ↗ city council worked uh

1:11:16 ↗ at the end of last year

1:11:18 ↗ or fall of last year to come up with

1:11:20 ↗ what are some goals and desired outcomes

1:11:23 ↗ for title 18 update

1:11:26 ↗ so they looked at these

1:11:28 ↗ long-range plans and the community's

1:11:30 ↗ aspirations for our city

1:11:32 ↗ and identified these 13 golden so i'm

1:11:35 ↗ going to go through these um you know

1:11:37 ↗ one by one

1:11:38 ↗ and details of this packet were included

1:11:41 ↗ in your packet um but protecting

1:11:43 ↗ forested hillsides

1:11:45 ↗ which is a land use policy goal in the

1:11:46 ↗ comprehensive plan and also in the

1:11:48 ↗ strategic plan

1:11:50 ↗ um

1:11:50 ↗ providing adequate parking while using

1:11:53 ↗ the land efficiently

1:11:56 ↗ conserving and protecting

1:11:57 ↗ environmentally critical areas from loss

1:12:00 ↗ and degradation

1:12:01 ↗ enhancing wetlands and riparian

1:12:04 ↗ corridors to improve fish and wildlife

1:12:06 ↗ habitat

1:12:08 ↗ improving public awareness of

1:12:09 ↗ development and construction activities

1:12:11 ↗ how do we do the public outreach how who

1:12:13 ↗ all do we notify

1:12:15 ↗ and things of that nature

1:12:17 ↗ increasing housing diversity

1:12:20 ↗ to have a wide variety of uh housing

1:12:22 ↗ options for different people in the

1:12:24 ↗ community that some may desire larger

1:12:26 ↗ homes some may desire townhomes others

1:12:28 ↗ may desire more

1:12:30 ↗ cottages or accessory dwelling units so

1:12:33 ↗ you know

1:12:34 ↗ having a more diverse housing stock

1:12:37 ↗ ensuring that the city retains 50 tree

1:12:41 ↗ canopy

1:12:44 ↗ and then

1:12:45 ↗ moving on the neighborhoods retain their

1:12:48 ↗ charm and distinctive character this was

1:12:50 ↗ pretty loud and clear in the strategic

1:12:52 ↗ plan

1:12:53 ↗ and

1:12:54 ↗ how do these

1:12:55 ↗ land use regulations get us to

1:12:58 ↗ meet that goal is sort of the task in

1:13:00 ↗ front of us

1:13:03 ↗ across the city there are public

1:13:04 ↗ amenities um

1:13:06 ↗ but at the end the community desires to

1:13:08 ↗ have a very livable uh community

1:13:11 ↗ um

1:13:12 ↗ ensure that the new development

1:13:15 ↗ is sustainable and meets the climate

1:13:17 ↗ goals

1:13:19 ↗ there's effective management of travel

1:13:21 ↗ both in terms of non-motorized transit

1:13:24 ↗ and climate goals

1:13:27 ↗ also it successfully implements the park

1:13:29 ↗ strategic plan and the green necklace

1:13:32 ↗ and sign code has all the work on that

1:13:35 ↗ is almost concluded lucy were has worked

1:13:37 ↗ really hard on it and i think it's right

1:13:39 ↗ um planning and policy commission has

1:13:41 ↗ concluded the work in council is

1:13:44 ↗ at the point of adopting uh pretty soon

1:13:48 ↗ um

1:13:48 ↗ and then lastly is modernizing the code

1:13:52 ↗ and incorporating best practices because

1:13:54 ↗ our code is a patchwork of or you know

1:13:56 ↗ ordinances it's difficult to use it's

1:13:58 ↗ spread out in multiple areas so that

1:14:01 ↗ those are sort of the main three 13

1:14:04 ↗ um

1:14:05 ↗ goals and outcomes that the council

1:14:07 ↗ desires and through the community input

1:14:10 ↗ and then planning and policy commission

1:14:12 ↗ looked at these 13 goals and they had

1:14:15 ↗ some uh minor edits that we've captured

1:14:17 ↗ in the packet that you have as the last

1:14:19 ↗ page we've added some additional um

1:14:22 ↗ details that they desired uh to be uh

1:14:24 ↗ included in these 13 goals

1:14:27 ↗ um you're probably all are familiar with

1:14:29 ↗ strategic plan um

1:14:32 ↗ but it it there is a chapter in growth

1:14:34 ↗ and development so we'll be looking at

1:14:36 ↗ that there's a there's a section on

1:14:38 ↗ environmental stewardship that we're

1:14:39 ↗ looking at to identify where the gaps

1:14:42 ↗ are in title 18 that don't

1:14:45 ↗ that are and not in sync with some of

1:14:47 ↗ these uh longer policy goals

1:14:50 ↗ comprehensive plan

1:14:52 ↗ has a land use

1:14:53 ↗ element

1:14:55 ↗ housing and transportation so we're

1:14:56 ↗ going to be looking at where the gaps

1:14:58 ↗ are from what the the adopted plans are

1:15:01 ↗ to where the title 18 is

1:15:05 ↗ so you know for some of you that may not

1:15:06 ↗ have be familiar with

1:15:09 ↗ but i just picked one example where

1:15:12 ↗ what what is a land use goal and what's

1:15:14 ↗ a land use policy so at the gold level

1:15:16 ↗ it says

1:15:17 ↗ enhance the natural systems from

1:15:19 ↗ potentially negative impact

1:15:22 ↗ the policy says

1:15:24 ↗ that that is in sync with that goal is

1:15:27 ↗ to say encourage efficient use of land

1:15:29 ↗ by allowing clustering of buildings

1:15:31 ↗ within development

1:15:33 ↗ and then the title 18

1:15:36 ↗ will take those things to say

1:15:39 ↗ what does clustering mean you can only

1:15:41 ↗ cluster if you have a critical area and

1:15:44 ↗ you're preserving

1:15:45 ↗ um you know the buffers for that uh

1:15:49 ↗ for that wetland a hundred percent or 75

1:15:51 ↗ percent or whatever that so it gets to

1:15:53 ↗ the next level of detail for as an

1:15:56 ↗ implementation of those goals and

1:15:57 ↗ policies

1:15:59 ↗ um

1:16:00 ↗ here's another example uh so central

1:16:02 ↗ issaquah plan

1:16:03 ↗ which is our long-range plan establishes

1:16:07 ↗ some of these goals a livable

1:16:08 ↗ sustainable compact urban community

1:16:11 ↗ pedestrians are a priority

1:16:14 ↗ we have a balance of mix of uses

1:16:17 ↗ and then

1:16:19 ↗ title 18

1:16:20 ↗ is actually going to implement those and

1:16:23 ↗ create those in a more tangible form

1:16:25 ↗ what those

1:16:26 ↗ uh regulations mean when someone comes

1:16:29 ↗ in to develop their piece of property

1:16:33 ↗ and so the overall title 18 we've we've

1:16:36 ↗ for the purposes of this update

1:16:38 ↗ we have categorized them into six larger

1:16:41 ↗ groups um so natural environment that

1:16:44 ↗ you took a deeper dive on july july 22nd

1:16:48 ↗ includes the aquatic critical areas

1:16:50 ↗ steep slopes um and and we had lighting

1:16:54 ↗ shoreline setback and sustainability

1:16:56 ↗ under that category

1:16:58 ↗ we have landscape and open space

1:17:02 ↗ which we're looking at the park

1:17:04 ↗ strategic plan green necklace

1:17:07 ↗ open space standards landscaping chapter

1:17:09 ↗ trees tree chapter

1:17:12 ↗ and we've identified that we would have

1:17:15 ↗ planning and policy commission

1:17:16 ↗ work with uh parks board on on that

1:17:20 ↗ those topics

1:17:21 ↗ then the next three are zoning and uses

1:17:25 ↗ building and design

1:17:27 ↗ and development standards

1:17:29 ↗ and those we've identified the planning

1:17:32 ↗ and policy commission

1:17:34 ↗ will work

1:17:35 ↗ jointly with the development commission

1:17:38 ↗ before finalizing their recommendation

1:17:40 ↗ to

1:17:40 ↗ city council and lastly is really the

1:17:43 ↗ procedures how do we process these what

1:17:45 ↗ kind of public notice do we provide so

1:17:48 ↗ and some of these other miscellaneous

1:17:50 ↗ topics so that's sort of the overall

1:17:54 ↗ groupings that we're considering

1:17:56 ↗ obviously what we heard loud and clear

1:17:58 ↗ was that the groupings under natural

1:18:00 ↗ environment were too many for one group

1:18:03 ↗ so what we're doing now is looking at

1:18:05 ↗ some of these other groups and trying to

1:18:07 ↗ split them into two or three if needed

1:18:10 ↗ um so like i shared with you the

1:18:13 ↗ centralistic plan you know

1:18:15 ↗ more broader policy

1:18:17 ↗ uh things and then it comes down to

1:18:19 ↗ title 18 what does parking regulations

1:18:21 ↗ look like

1:18:23 ↗ if uh the goals are to minimize the

1:18:25 ↗ presence of parking the title 18 will

1:18:28 ↗ say

1:18:29 ↗ it has to be behind the buildings or

1:18:32 ↗ it has to be

1:18:34 ↗ a separate material for

1:18:36 ↗ distinction between your walkable

1:18:38 ↗ surfaces and your parking areas

1:18:40 ↗ you screen these by some landscaping and

1:18:43 ↗ what the square footage of that

1:18:45 ↗ landscaping means so it really has to be

1:18:47 ↗ more

1:18:49 ↗ not an arbitrary and a broad goal and in

1:18:52 ↗ title 18 it gets to a level of detail

1:18:55 ↗ that then can be implemented at a site

1:18:57 ↗ design and that staff can use to

1:19:00 ↗ either approve or condition

1:19:02 ↗ uh a proposal

1:19:04 ↗ some other examples for circulation what

1:19:06 ↗ does it look like if pedestrians are a

1:19:08 ↗ priority you know how do these uh

1:19:11 ↗ sidewalks um

1:19:14 ↗ include landscaping or surface change or

1:19:17 ↗ and things of that nature so it gets

1:19:19 ↗ fine grained in terms of the the

1:19:21 ↗ regulations at title 18 level

1:19:24 ↗ um

1:19:25 ↗ so when we just to kind of because you

1:19:28 ↗ don't see it and um you know what a

1:19:30 ↗ project looks like when someone comes in

1:19:32 ↗ to develop a piece of property they

1:19:34 ↗ prepare the site plan the show where

1:19:36 ↗ their parking is going to be where the

1:19:38 ↗ buildings are going to be where the

1:19:39 ↗ landscaping is going to be

1:19:41 ↗ if there is a critical area they show us

1:19:43 ↗ that and they show us the buffers

1:19:46 ↗ if they're staying completely outside

1:19:47 ↗ the buffers or are they asking for some

1:19:49 ↗ deviation from the standard buffer such

1:19:52 ↗ as buffer averaging

1:19:53 ↗ um

1:19:54 ↗ and so on and so forth and the process

1:19:57 ↗ includes we first have a very

1:19:59 ↗ preliminary

1:20:00 ↗ you know meetings with them then they

1:20:02 ↗ submit their application then we do

1:20:04 ↗ these neighborhood meetings

1:20:06 ↗ then that informs our review and some of

1:20:09 ↗ these things then get approved by the

1:20:11 ↗ development commission then we issue a

1:20:13 ↗ notice of decision and send it to them

1:20:15 ↗ it gets circulated to everyone that has

1:20:17 ↗ expressed an interest in the project

1:20:20 ↗ and then it can be appealed if uh if

1:20:23 ↗ someone

1:20:24 ↗ thinks that an error was made

1:20:27 ↗ and after all of that land use process

1:20:30 ↗ is done

1:20:31 ↗ and then comes the actual construction

1:20:33 ↗ permits that's when they can actually

1:20:36 ↗ get a permit to build

1:20:39 ↗ and then we start the inspection program

1:20:41 ↗ making sure that they're meeting the

1:20:43 ↗ life safety standards and that's a whole

1:20:45 ↗ another

1:20:46 ↗ code which is the international building

1:20:48 ↗ code and the fire department reviews

1:20:51 ↗ that and that gets to a whole level of

1:20:53 ↗ detail

1:20:54 ↗ that's much more fine-grained than the

1:20:56 ↗ land use detail because they're looking

1:20:58 ↗ at do you have enough doors to get out

1:21:00 ↗ of the building if there's a fire

1:21:02 ↗ how long do you have to you know uh

1:21:04 ↗ between the two doors and things of that

1:21:06 ↗ nature

1:21:07 ↗ and then after all those inspections are

1:21:09 ↗ done by the building department fire

1:21:11 ↗ department all the utilities are in

1:21:13 ↗ place the water's sewer that's when they

1:21:15 ↗ get their occupancy so that kind of

1:21:17 ↗ completes the full circle of

1:21:20 ↗ what

1:21:23 ↗ a development means from point a to

1:21:26 ↗ point z

1:21:27 ↗ and where we are in terms of um

1:21:30 ↗ you know looking at these codes and

1:21:32 ↗ regulations and doing a more

1:21:34 ↗ comprehensive

1:21:35 ↗ look for um

1:21:37 ↗ for all the land use regulations and

1:21:39 ↗ that's the task ahead of us

1:21:43 ↗ that we're bringing forth some of the

1:21:45 ↗ expertise from the consultants giving

1:21:47 ↗ you the information and i realize we're

1:21:49 ↗ giving you a lot of information but um

1:21:52 ↗ and which can sometimes be overwhelming

1:21:54 ↗ and we can

1:21:55 ↗ based on feedback we've received from

1:21:57 ↗ the community members from the chair

1:21:59 ↗ from some of you that have taken the

1:22:00 ↗ time to write to us uh we are adapting

1:22:04 ↗ uh to what will be more meaningful

1:22:06 ↗ dialogue uh with you

1:22:08 ↗ therefore we we're here to talk about

1:22:10 ↗ this global larger context to give you a

1:22:12 ↗ more feel for what the title 18 update

1:22:15 ↗ is and also uh we've sent you a survey

1:22:18 ↗ after the july 22nd meeting

1:22:21 ↗ uh on the topics that we we shared with

1:22:23 ↗ you

1:22:24 ↗ on that day and then we are also

1:22:27 ↗ scheduling a meeting on august 26th to

1:22:30 ↗ continue that discussion on the topics

1:22:32 ↗ we covered on july 22nd with planning

1:22:34 ↗ and policy commission in all of you

1:22:38 ↗ so that concludes my uh you know sharing

1:22:42 ↗ of information but i'm here to answer

1:22:43 ↗ any questions

1:22:45 ↗ or

1:22:46 ↗ or take any more feedback you have for

1:22:48 ↗ us

1:22:50 ↗ thank you minnie this is nancy davidson

1:22:52 ↗ the chair of the committee um

1:22:54 ↗ that was a great presentation and an

1:22:56 ↗ overview of title 18 it's greatly

1:22:58 ↗ appreciated uh board members do you have

1:23:00 ↗ any uh questions or comments for me as

1:23:03 ↗ we move forward

1:23:08 ↗ uh jamie go ahead please

1:23:11 ↗ thank you nancy jamie speaking

1:23:14 ↗ thank you minnie for coming back and

1:23:16 ↗ responding to my emails appreciate uh

1:23:18 ↗ your thoughtful response um in one of

1:23:20 ↗ those emails you had shared some of the

1:23:23 ↗ you shared the top level goals um of

1:23:27 ↗ during your presentation but in in that

1:23:29 ↗ email you did share some more kind of

1:23:31 ↗ like

1:23:32 ↗ more granular goals within some of these

1:23:34 ↗ areas

1:23:35 ↗ um

1:23:36 ↗ is that something that we'll be able to

1:23:38 ↗ discuss at all or is that is that still

1:23:40 ↗ in process with some of these other

1:23:42 ↗ the reviews from the other the planning

1:23:45 ↗ policy commission and the other boards

1:23:46 ↗ that are taking these other areas

1:23:49 ↗ yeah so i think um in my email i shared

1:23:52 ↗ more of a schedule of how we're breaking

1:23:54 ↗ up these six buckets so that's still a

1:23:56 ↗ work in progress i think we're gonna

1:23:58 ↗ ask planning and policy commission for

1:24:01 ↗ um and that's really adapting to scale

1:24:03 ↗ it down per you know topics per meeting

1:24:06 ↗ um so so those were some of the things

1:24:09 ↗ but i'm i'm not sure if we if i shared

1:24:12 ↗ anything in terms of goals um but those

1:24:15 ↗ are the ones that we included in the

1:24:17 ↗ packet are the goals and outcomes of the

1:24:19 ↗ council had and then the planning and

1:24:21 ↗ policy commission had some edits and and

1:24:24 ↗ some finer detail that they wanted to

1:24:26 ↗ add so

1:24:27 ↗ um

1:24:28 ↗ that's sort of the overall uh picture

1:24:31 ↗ i can pull that up uh chart if that's

1:24:34 ↗ useful but um

1:24:37 ↗ but really dividing it up between we

1:24:39 ↗ want to make sure we are capturing

1:24:41 ↗ feedback from a lot of community members

1:24:43 ↗ so you know and finding that balance

1:24:45 ↗ without overwhelming all of you with the

1:24:48 ↗ entire title 18

1:24:50 ↗ we thought maybe the environmental

1:24:52 ↗ topics would be more of interest and

1:24:54 ↗ expertise that you would bring

1:24:57 ↗ to the discussion and maybe educate the

1:24:59 ↗ rest of the board you know board members

1:25:01 ↗ on on your expertise and those

1:25:04 ↗ um

1:25:05 ↗ if uh

1:25:06 ↗ some members of this board desire more

1:25:09 ↗ involvement in some of those other

1:25:11 ↗ topics that are with the other

1:25:13 ↗ um board members and planning and policy

1:25:15 ↗ commission

1:25:16 ↗ um

1:25:17 ↗ then we can discuss that what that form

1:25:19 ↗ format looks like

1:25:21 ↗ but uh the planning and policy

1:25:23 ↗ commission you know under the state law

1:25:25 ↗ the cities have to designate who's going

1:25:26 ↗ to

1:25:27 ↗ uh make a formal recommendation to

1:25:29 ↗ council on these land use regulations

1:25:32 ↗ and that's the planning and policy

1:25:33 ↗ commission that's the city's charter

1:25:35 ↗ they they that is their mandate to

1:25:37 ↗ do they have to do that in order for our

1:25:40 ↗ department of commerce and others to

1:25:42 ↗ to see that we are following that

1:25:44 ↗ process so that is their role to make a

1:25:47 ↗ formal recommendation to city council

1:25:49 ↗ obviously we

1:25:51 ↗ feel that this is such big of an

1:25:53 ↗ undertaking that it involves a lot more

1:25:55 ↗ boards and and we want to have the

1:25:57 ↗ conversations in a more fruitful

1:26:00 ↗ uh manner

1:26:02 ↗ so we're open to if you think there is

1:26:05 ↗ more interest in other topics beyond the

1:26:07 ↗ ones that we covered on july 22nd from

1:26:10 ↗ you all

1:26:12 ↗ thank you minnie i don't remember where

1:26:14 ↗ i i might be misremembering that i

1:26:16 ↗ thought i remember seeing some like high

1:26:18 ↗ level goals that i don't know if it was

1:26:20 ↗ ppc or that initial

1:26:23 ↗ the group with council president hunt

1:26:25 ↗ and the other kind of some committee if

1:26:27 ↗ there were some high-level goals for

1:26:28 ↗ some of these categories might be

1:26:30 ↗ misremembering um because i do think

1:26:33 ↗ totally understand that we

1:26:35 ↗ you have to divide and conquer on all

1:26:36 ↗ this detail but i do wonder if there's

1:26:39 ↗ i know i personally think that there's a

1:26:41 ↗ lot of topics within

1:26:43 ↗ like

1:26:44 ↗ some of the other areas that are very

1:26:47 ↗ very have a high bearing on the climate

1:26:49 ↗ action plan our impact going forward

1:26:51 ↗ within the community how sustainable

1:26:54 ↗ is in the future how easy it will be to

1:26:56 ↗ make this across sustainable so i might

1:26:58 ↗ just be misremembering but i do think

1:27:00 ↗ that

1:27:01 ↗ i would potentially advocate for maybe

1:27:04 ↗ not the detail but if there was some

1:27:06 ↗ like

1:27:07 ↗ some overall goals for these areas

1:27:09 ↗ having the ability to comment on those

1:27:11 ↗ would be a valuable opportunity but uh

1:27:14 ↗ thank you

1:27:16 ↗ yeah so um i i think there's the um so

1:27:19 ↗ the goals for the overall title 18 is i

1:27:21 ↗ think what we've shared in your packet

1:27:24 ↗ then for each sub-topic so even under

1:27:28 ↗ the natural environment say the wetland

1:27:30 ↗ what we shared with you on july 22nd is

1:27:33 ↗ a code update memo

1:27:35 ↗ that looked at where the gaps are and

1:27:38 ↗ what our proposed approaches

1:27:40 ↗ so you know if there's feedback into is

1:27:43 ↗ this proposed approach um going to get

1:27:47 ↗ us these broader goals and outcomes that

1:27:50 ↗ uh

1:27:51 ↗ the community desires is i think that

1:27:54 ↗ closes the loop in terms of how

1:27:57 ↗ what would what would be helpful for us

1:27:59 ↗ as we lay out the proposed approach and

1:28:01 ↗ get feedback from all the boards is to

1:28:04 ↗ see if if the proposed approach is

1:28:06 ↗ actually going to meet the go the

1:28:07 ↗ broader goals and outcomes that we

1:28:09 ↗ shared today and in your packet

1:28:11 ↗ um

1:28:13 ↗ thank you that's you reminded me where i

1:28:14 ↗ had seen i knew i'd seen that somewhere

1:28:16 ↗ so um no that that all makes sense thank

1:28:19 ↗ you

1:28:24 ↗ are there any other questions or

1:28:25 ↗ comments from ineos

1:28:27 ↗ on this

1:28:33 ↗ no questions

1:28:35 ↗ no comments

1:28:36 ↗ well i think i i can ask a question if

1:28:39 ↗ you uh are okay with it davidson please

1:28:42 ↗ go forward so august 26th when we bring

1:28:45 ↗ back um the

1:28:47 ↗ the topics that we discussed on july

1:28:49 ↗ 22nd

1:28:50 ↗ is there something that would be useful

1:28:53 ↗ for you all in terms of the format i

1:28:55 ↗ mean we can keep it open-ended i think

1:28:57 ↗ we've done enough talking i think at

1:28:59 ↗ this point we want to do the listening

1:29:01 ↗ from you all and have a fruitful

1:29:03 ↗ conversation between you and the

1:29:05 ↗ planning and policy commission

1:29:07 ↗ is there you know do you guys want to if

1:29:10 ↗ there's someone has an expertise and

1:29:11 ↗ wants to take a little bit of time kind

1:29:13 ↗ of sharing some information we can build

1:29:16 ↗ that into the agenda

1:29:18 ↗ i know i picked on uh dan during our

1:29:20 ↗ tour and and asked him if he would be

1:29:23 ↗ willing to talk to others because he

1:29:24 ↗ knew all about plants and wetlands and

1:29:26 ↗ streams and and everything else so

1:29:29 ↗ but if there's other expertise or

1:29:32 ↗ how how do we structure or do you what

1:29:34 ↗ can we give you to

1:29:36 ↗ to help you i guess is sort of the

1:29:38 ↗ question i had or if there if we should

1:29:40 ↗ put the agenda where you all

1:29:43 ↗ um have a certain time to share your

1:29:46 ↗ wisdom and with the rest of the planning

1:29:49 ↗ and policy commission

1:29:50 ↗ i'm just looking for some ideas for how

1:29:52 ↗ to structure august 26 to make it

1:29:54 ↗ meaningful

1:29:57 ↗ great and dawn has a comment on that go

1:29:59 ↗ ahead don please yeah i do thanks manny

1:30:01 ↗ um

1:30:02 ↗ thank you for the presentation that was

1:30:03 ↗ very helpful um with regard to your

1:30:06 ↗ question looking back at the last

1:30:08 ↗ meeting it was it was somewhat

1:30:09 ↗ overwhelming there's a lot of

1:30:11 ↗ information there in a short period of

1:30:13 ↗ time and i didn't feel that

1:30:16 ↗ i had the time to pipe up and make

1:30:18 ↗ comments and ask questions to get

1:30:20 ↗ clarification during that so

1:30:22 ↗ um depending on what you're covering

1:30:25 ↗ try to be specific on your ask of us

1:30:28 ↗ and i think we can address your

1:30:30 ↗ questions

1:30:31 ↗ just fine if we have specific asks of us

1:30:34 ↗ but an open

1:30:35 ↗ free-for-all forum if you will may not

1:30:38 ↗ be the best approach

1:30:44 ↗ any other comments from the board

1:30:50 ↗ well you're not getting a lot from us

1:30:51 ↗ tonight minnie you know as the night

1:30:53 ↗ goes on we get a little quieter so it

1:30:55 ↗ looks like jamie had a comment jamie go

1:30:57 ↗ ahead please

1:30:58 ↗ thank you nancy jamie finch speaking um

1:31:01 ↗ two things that might be helpful and

1:31:03 ↗ this goes back to what we were talking

1:31:05 ↗ about with lucy earlier is i do think

1:31:07 ↗ there's some topics that

1:31:09 ↗ get used a lot or that have a lot of

1:31:12 ↗ potential

1:31:14 ↗ usage going forward so i do think if

1:31:16 ↗ there's anything you can provide

1:31:18 ↗ like

1:31:19 ↗ i don't know

1:31:20 ↗ lucy had an example of something we

1:31:22 ↗ hadn't seen used in 10 years maybe we

1:31:24 ↗ shouldn't be spending as much time and i

1:31:25 ↗ think for us it's a little hard at this

1:31:26 ↗ point to know

1:31:28 ↗ where the meatiest topics that we should

1:31:30 ↗ be spending the most time and having the

1:31:31 ↗ most discussion on

1:31:33 ↗ um

1:31:34 ↗ and i do think one other

1:31:36 ↗ idea and i don't know exactly what this

1:31:38 ↗ would look like but

1:31:40 ↗ i do think

1:31:41 ↗ before we dive into some of these

1:31:43 ↗ natural environment topics it might be

1:31:45 ↗ helpful to have

1:31:46 ↗ our board

1:31:48 ↗ you'd have to come up with the right

1:31:49 ↗ question but sharing our overall goals

1:31:51 ↗ or hopes and desires for this land use

1:31:54 ↗ update anything that we might

1:31:56 ↗ again i don't know how you frame this up

1:31:58 ↗ but there might be some benefit since

1:32:01 ↗ this is the only time that the planning

1:32:03 ↗ policy committee is gonna be talking to

1:32:04 ↗ us if there are any broader perspectives

1:32:07 ↗ um or goals or hopes that that we might

1:32:10 ↗ be able to share those before we dive

1:32:11 ↗ into some of the more tactical topics

1:32:14 ↗ okay great

1:32:18 ↗ does anyone else have anything to add

1:32:25 ↗ okay at this point i'm going to end this

1:32:28 ↗ uh part of the agenda minnie thank you

1:32:30 ↗ very much for your presentation and

1:32:32 ↗ discussion with us it was great we look

1:32:34 ↗ forward to hearing more on i guess it's

1:32:36 ↗ august 26 correct

1:32:38 ↗ that is great all right great

1:32:41 ↗ with that thank you again

1:32:43 ↗ i do see one more comment that just came

1:32:45 ↗ in

1:32:48 ↗ hi anne why don't you go ahead please

1:32:52 ↗ sorry about that i was doing all

1:32:53 ↗ panelists

1:32:55 ↗ um so i was gone last time and i did

1:32:57 ↗ listen to the marathon meeting um

1:33:00 ↗ i did think it was really

1:33:02 ↗ uh

1:33:03 ↗ informative and i think

1:33:06 ↗ it

1:33:07 ↗ i'm really proud to be a part of a city

1:33:10 ↗ that is so forward thinking and thinking

1:33:12 ↗ about the environment and i think you

1:33:14 ↗ guys are all doing a great job so i just

1:33:16 ↗ wanted to say that

1:33:18 ↗ um

1:33:19 ↗ and then there's one thing that keeps

1:33:20 ↗ popping out at me which is i've seen

1:33:23 ↗ that you want to keep 50

1:33:25 ↗ of the tree canopy

1:33:27 ↗ i've seen that a couple times but in um

1:33:30 ↗ the

1:33:31 ↗ um

1:33:34 ↗ the icap we

1:33:36 ↗ are

1:33:37 ↗ planning on 100

1:33:40 ↗ so

1:33:41 ↗ that might be something that needs to be

1:33:43 ↗ addressed

1:33:46 ↗ sure

1:33:48 ↗ yeah so um you know it'll probably be in

1:33:50 ↗ our tree chapter um so i um and that's

1:33:54 ↗ going to be discussed with the park

1:33:55 ↗ board but i will make a note of that too

1:33:58 ↗ to see um you mentioned um in your

1:34:02 ↗ climate action plan yeah yeah

1:34:05 ↗ yeah

1:34:06 ↗ okay

1:34:09 ↗ anybody else

1:34:10 ↗ any other comments

1:34:13 ↗ okay thanks again minnie and this agenda

1:34:16 ↗ topic is now concluded

1:34:18 ↗ and i'm going to move on to the reports

1:34:21 ↗ uh megan go ahead if you have any

1:34:23 ↗ reports for us

1:34:25 ↗ sure thank you and i just want to make

1:34:27 ↗ one comment we are still in the drafting

1:34:30 ↗ process for the climate action plan so

1:34:32 ↗ we're still discussing all of those

1:34:34 ↗ goals and metrics so

1:34:36 ↗ there's been conversations about that

1:34:38 ↗ but nothing has been

1:34:40 ↗ determined in that process so just

1:34:42 ↗ wanted to mention that

1:34:44 ↗ so i do have a couple uh updates this

1:34:47 ↗ evening uh so the first is on the

1:34:49 ↗ climate action plan

1:34:51 ↗ uh so

1:34:52 ↗ this board last saw that in july

1:34:55 ↗ and since then we've been doing a lot of

1:34:57 ↗ public outreach we had the community

1:35:00 ↗ convening on climate at the end of

1:35:04 ↗ at the end of july and had great

1:35:06 ↗ attendance in that

1:35:08 ↗ we also went to the economic vitality

1:35:10 ↗ commission

1:35:11 ↗ i'll be talking to the planning policy

1:35:13 ↗ commission tomorrow and have a couple

1:35:15 ↗ focus groups as well so we're really

1:35:17 ↗ gathering input from a lot of different

1:35:19 ↗ sources right now to help inform where

1:35:21 ↗ we want to go with that plan

1:35:25 ↗ so

1:35:26 ↗ i did want to mention that we also have

1:35:27 ↗ a survey out to the community right now

1:35:30 ↗ so anyone who's watching it'd be great

1:35:33 ↗ to have people fill that out that's on

1:35:35 ↗ our city's website as well as having

1:35:37 ↗ board members fill that out

1:35:39 ↗ as a way to give additional input as

1:35:41 ↗ well and that will be open through

1:35:43 ↗ august 20th

1:35:45 ↗ we also have that translated into both

1:35:48 ↗ spanish and mandarin so if you have any

1:35:51 ↗ resources for helping to get the word

1:35:52 ↗ out about that that would be greatly

1:35:54 ↗ appreciated as well

1:35:57 ↗ the next topic i wanted to mention

1:36:00 ↗ is we've had a few questions about the

1:36:02 ↗ overall

1:36:04 ↗ meeting

1:36:05 ↗ hybrid in-person conversations

1:36:08 ↗ so our council did have their their

1:36:10 ↗ first hybrid version of that um and

1:36:14 ↗ there'd been some discussion about

1:36:15 ↗ whether we wanted to roll that out for

1:36:17 ↗ boards in the fall

1:36:18 ↗ due to

1:36:19 ↗ increases in the delta variant and um

1:36:23 ↗ and the status of coronavirus now that's

1:36:26 ↗ been delayed until at least november 1st

1:36:28 ↗ so we will be continuing the virtual

1:36:30 ↗ meeting format at least until it then

1:36:33 ↗ before going with any hybrid uh formats

1:36:39 ↗ and the last thing i just want to

1:36:41 ↗ mention was just an update on the

1:36:43 ↗ sustainability manager position

1:36:46 ↗ so as you all know i will be

1:36:48 ↗ ending my role with the city at the end

1:36:50 ↗ of this month

1:36:51 ↗ so we are in the process right now of

1:36:55 ↗ interviewing and

1:36:57 ↗ selecting someone to come on board

1:37:00 ↗ so they should be on board

1:37:03 ↗ hopefully you know soon after i depart

1:37:06 ↗ if not some crossover uh but we'll

1:37:08 ↗ definitely let the board know as soon as

1:37:10 ↗ we have that person on board

1:37:12 ↗ and that will be the new staff liaison

1:37:14 ↗ so we'll be sure to get some

1:37:16 ↗ introductions um and be able to get that

1:37:18 ↗ person up to speed on all the great work

1:37:21 ↗ of the board

1:37:23 ↗ i think that's it for my report outs i'm

1:37:26 ↗ happy taking questions if anyone has any

1:37:30 ↗ and i'd just like to add i did

1:37:31 ↗ participate in the final interviews for

1:37:33 ↗ the last

1:37:34 ↗ two con candidates so

1:37:37 ↗ there are some good people on the list

1:37:39 ↗ just wanted to share that

1:37:45 ↗ any questions or comments

1:37:48 ↗ okay what's

1:37:50 ↗ the next agenda topic is sorry i lost my

1:37:52 ↗ calendar

1:37:55 ↗ oh and go ahead

1:37:58 ↗ did you say the survey is due on august

1:38:00 ↗ 20th

1:38:02 ↗ correct climate action plan

1:38:05 ↗ okay and i'll say i'll send that link

1:38:08 ↗ out to the board um again so you guys

1:38:10 ↗ have it

1:38:13 ↗ i've been circulating it do you know how

1:38:15 ↗ many

1:38:16 ↗ responses you've gotten

1:38:19 ↗ last i heard today we have 161

1:38:22 ↗ so great response so far

1:38:24 ↗ well

1:38:25 ↗ let's keep it up

1:38:29 ↗ right and our next meeting

1:38:32 ↗ megan

1:38:33 ↗ yes so next meeting as uh mini

1:38:37 ↗ referenced will be on august 26 and that

1:38:40 ↗ will be the joint meeting with the

1:38:41 ↗ planning policy commission

1:38:43 ↗ so that will be a thursday not a

1:38:45 ↗ wednesday but at 6 30.

1:38:49 ↗ the following meeting after that we also

1:38:51 ↗ are changing the date for that will be

1:38:53 ↗ september 15th instead of september 8th

1:38:56 ↗ so i reached out to everyone i think

1:38:58 ↗ i've heard back from most folks about

1:39:00 ↗ your availability for those two meetings

1:39:02 ↗ um if you have not had a chance to let

1:39:05 ↗ me know that would be great uh just so

1:39:07 ↗ we can track that but that meeting on

1:39:09 ↗ september 15th will be for um to review

1:39:13 ↗ a draft of the climate action plan

1:39:18 ↗ all right

1:39:19 ↗ any other questions or comments

1:39:24 ↗ anything for the good of the order

1:39:27 ↗ saying nothing have a great evening

1:39:28 ↗ thank you all for participating and

1:39:30 ↗ we'll see you in a couple of weeks take

1:39:32 ↗ care

1:39:33 ↗ thank you meetings adjourned take care

1:39:35 ↗ bye-bye

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