Development Commission · Wednesday, November 17, 2021 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Staff report:

DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION Staff Liaison Lucy Sloman, Land About Development Manager Created in 1983, this commission reviews all Email Lucy Sloman land use actions requiring a Level 3 review. The Commission further serves as an advisory Regular Members board to the City Council on land use actions 2022 – Michael Brennan requiring council approval (Level 5 review). 2022 – Richard Sanford 2022 – Richard Sowa The appearance of fairness doctrine prohibits 2023 – Patty Dillon Development Commission members and City 2023 – Brooke Shore Council members from discussing the merit of 2024 – Kevin Price specific land use development applications 2024 – Arthur Schulte outside of the formal public meeting process. Citizens, however, may discuss any issue with Alternate Members the City's Development Services

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of October 20, 2021

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APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 10-20-21 Development Commission Minutes Page [0000]

3. AGENDA ITEMS

Neighborhood Meeting and Community Conference: AvalonBay Mixed Use Project, (I) Permit Numbers: PRJ21-00007, NM21- Address: 1040 12th Ave NW Parcel Number: 3629300020 Description: AvalonBay Communities is proposing to construct a 7-story mixed-use community containing approximately 385 apartments, 17,500 SF of commercial space, and 600 stalls of below-grade parking. The development will include affordable housing with a publicly accessible courtyard

Holly Keeton, Senior Planner Carl Shorett, Development Director, AvalonBay Communities Derek Bottles, Vice President, AvalonBay Communities Scott Brainard, Ecologist, Wetland Resources Comments/Questions Neighborhood Meeting Materials Community Conference Meeting Materials · packet pp.11–172

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Staff report:

You are receiving this notice because your home or business is located within 300-feet of the site, or you have requested to be a party of record. AGENDA ITEMS

Feedback on Proposed Changes to Commission's Role in Title 18 Update

Lucy Sloman, Planning Manager · packet pp.191–205

Topics: Land Use

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Staff report:

The purpose of the November Planning Policy Commission (PPC) meeting is for staff to provide background on and receive feedback pertaining to Procedures and Administration, specifically:

4. STAFF REPORT

Council Update

Lucy Sloman, Planning Manager

5. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Upcoming Schedule

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OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS a) 2021 Development Commission Schedule (tentative) (updated 10/14/2021)

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4:21 ↗ i will assume

4:22 ↗ [Music]

4:23 ↗ that i'm going to begin recording

4:33 ↗ great good evening um i'd like to call

4:36 ↗ to order this november 17 2021

4:39 ↗ special meeting of the city of

4:41 ↗ issaquah's development commission

4:43 ↗ it is uh 6 35.

4:46 ↗ um so welcome due to the virtual format

4:48 ↗ of tonight's meeting i'd like to start

4:50 ↗ off by providing a few guidelines

4:53 ↗ that'll help the meeting room a little

4:54 ↗ bit more smoothly so we have

4:56 ↗ participants attending uh by computer

4:58 ↗ and others who may be attending by phone

5:01 ↗ for all meeting attendees please speak

5:04 ↗ clearly and pause frequently when you're

5:06 ↗ speaking

5:07 ↗ state your name each time before you

5:09 ↗ speak

5:10 ↗ mute your microphone when you're not

5:12 ↗ speaking to minimize background noise

5:15 ↗ and if you're having a difficult time

5:18 ↗ connecting try using a different device

5:20 ↗ like a phone or a tablet or you can

5:22 ↗ always call in with the phone

5:26 ↗ information that's provided on the

5:27 ↗ meeting notice

5:28 ↗ so a quick overview of tonight's agenda

5:31 ↗ we have two agenda items um the first is

5:34 ↗ a neighborhood meeting and a community

5:36 ↗ conference for the avalon bay

5:38 ↗ mixed use project

5:40 ↗ second is feedback on the proposed

5:42 ↗ amendments to title 18 changes to the

5:45 ↗ commission's role

5:47 ↗ and as a special meeting only items on

5:50 ↗ the agenda can be heard this evening

5:53 ↗ so uh first of all uh lucy if i could

5:55 ↗ get you to call attendance and

5:56 ↗ commissioners when you hear your name

5:58 ↗ please uh

5:59 ↗ say here

6:01 ↗ mike brennan

6:03 ↗ i'm here

6:04 ↗ richard sanford

6:06 ↗ here

6:07 ↗ richard sowa

6:09 ↗ here

6:10 ↗ patty dillon

6:17 ↗ brook shore

6:19 ↗ here

6:21 ↗ kevin price

6:22 ↗ here

6:24 ↗ arthur schulte here

6:27 ↗ john ikeda is

6:29 ↗ an excused absence

6:32 ↗ mel morgan here

6:37 ↗ great thanks lucy

6:39 ↗ so we do have a piece of routine

6:41 ↗ business which is the approval of the

6:43 ↗ meeting minutes from our october 21st

6:46 ↗ meeting

6:47 ↗ are there any corrections to the october

6:49 ↗ 20 20 meeting minutes and those

6:54 ↗ minutes were included in tonight's

6:56 ↗ agenda packet

6:58 ↗ uh are there any corrections

7:00 ↗ for objections

7:04 ↗ hearing none

7:05 ↗ we will call those meeting minutes

7:07 ↗ approved by consensus

7:09 ↗ thank you

7:10 ↗ so the first topic we have tonight is

7:14 ↗ the neighborhood meeting and community

7:15 ↗ conference for the avalon bay mixed use

7:18 ↗ project it's a combination of meetings

7:20 ↗ here the the community conference as

7:22 ↗ well as the neighborhood meeting so it

7:24 ↗ really allows for

7:25 ↗ um a an exchange between the applicant

7:28 ↗ and

7:30 ↗ the commission as well as the community

7:32 ↗ members that are participating so for

7:34 ↗ the purpose of the combined meeting and

7:36 ↗ the community conference

7:38 ↗ it does allow that opportunity to

7:39 ↗ generate discussion raise issues

7:41 ↗ and propose creative options relative to

7:44 ↗ the proposed project

7:46 ↗ including critical areas before a

7:47 ↗ decision is rendered no decision will be

7:50 ↗ made this evening

7:52 ↗ the order of events

7:54 ↗ is first of all a holly keaton

7:57 ↗ a computing

7:58 ↗ a

7:59 ↗ cpd

8:00 ↗ excuse me senior planner sorry holly

8:04 ↗ will make the presentation the applicant

8:06 ↗ will also have an opportunity to make a

8:08 ↗ presentation

8:09 ↗ on their project

8:11 ↗ and following the presentations the

8:13 ↗ public will have an opportunity to make

8:15 ↗ comments

8:16 ↗ and ask questions

8:18 ↗ and then we'll have a discussion

8:19 ↗ regarding the project

8:21 ↗ then the commission will have

8:22 ↗ opportunities to make comments or ask

8:24 ↗ questions and have a discussion or the

8:27 ↗ pro regarding the project as well

8:29 ↗ prior to the beginning of the meeting

8:31 ↗ i'd like to

8:32 ↗ let commissioner morgan uh make a

8:34 ↗ statement commissioner morgan

8:38 ↗ thank you chairman brennan um i'd like

8:40 ↗ to point out that our company um as the

8:44 ↗ asset manager for the maple street

8:46 ↗ office building which is located about a

8:48 ↗ half a block north of the

8:51 ↗ avalon property

8:54 ↗ i don't feel that it

8:56 ↗ is going to be a problem for me in terms

8:58 ↗ of my fairness with regard to

9:00 ↗ any decisions if i am involved in the

9:02 ↗ decision for this project

9:08 ↗ thanks commissioner morgan does anyone

9:10 ↗ present have any concern with

9:12 ↗ commissioner morgan's participation in

9:14 ↗ tonight's meeting

9:21 ↗ i'm hearing no objections so we can

9:23 ↗ proceed with the staff presentation

9:25 ↗ by planner holly keaton holly

9:28 ↗ thank you so much good evening everyone

9:30 ↗ i'm just going to take a moment to share

9:32 ↗ my screen and get started

9:34 ↗ as was already mentioned my name is

9:36 ↗ holly keaton i'm a senior planner with

9:38 ↗ the city of issaquah

9:40 ↗ and i will be giving a brief overview of

9:43 ↗ the project so far

9:46 ↗ and we'll go into a question and

9:50 ↗ comments

9:51 ↗ after

9:52 ↗ the applicant provides their

9:54 ↗ presentation as well which will be

9:56 ↗ immediately after mine so just give me a

10:00 ↗ moment here to start sharing

10:14 ↗ lucy i think you need to give me

10:17 ↗ the right to share

10:24 ↗ thank you should be all set holly yep

10:26 ↗ got it

10:34 ↗ okay

10:35 ↗ so

10:36 ↗ thank you again for coming this evening

10:38 ↗ i appreciate everybody who took time out

10:41 ↗ of their evening to participate tonight

10:44 ↗ and to be here and provide any insight

10:46 ↗ that you might have

10:48 ↗ the way that this evening will go from

10:50 ↗ here is a staff presentation to be

10:53 ↗ provided by myself the applicant

10:55 ↗ presentation and then public comments

10:57 ↗ and questions

10:58 ↗ and discussion and then followed by the

11:00 ↗ commissioners comments questions and

11:02 ↗ discussion

11:09 ↗ okay so the point of the neighborhood

11:11 ↗ meeting is to encourage community

11:13 ↗ participation at the pre-application

11:16 ↗ process to get early input

11:18 ↗ and

11:19 ↗ concerns from the community and provide

11:22 ↗ opportunity for the applicant to propose

11:25 ↗ to present the proposal to the community

11:27 ↗ and to the commission

11:30 ↗ the community conference on the other

11:31 ↗ hand

11:32 ↗ i apologize i'll move back to

11:34 ↗ neighborhood meeting is focused largely

11:36 ↗ on critical areas and any concerns

11:38 ↗ or

11:40 ↗ issues that anyone may have with the

11:43 ↗ topography or the makeup of the parcel

11:46 ↗ in question the community conference on

11:48 ↗ the other hand is more focused on the

11:50 ↗ project overall the design of the

11:52 ↗ buildings the

11:54 ↗ the development standards and

11:57 ↗ and the likes so we're kind of looking

11:59 ↗ at it from a big picture

12:01 ↗ standpoint with the community conference

12:03 ↗ and this is

12:05 ↗ an opportunity for us to work

12:07 ↗ productively together the city staff the

12:10 ↗ development commission

12:12 ↗ the applicant and and the community to

12:14 ↗ really get feedback on how everyone

12:17 ↗ feels about the project proposal

12:21 ↗ so here is an aerial view of the site

12:24 ↗ which you can see highlighted in kind of

12:26 ↗ a light orange color and outlined in a

12:28 ↗ darker orange color the location is at

12:31 ↗ the intersection of newport way and 12th

12:34 ↗ avenue northwest to the north is a

12:37 ↗ commercial hotel which i believe is

12:39 ↗ spring hill suites to the south you have

12:41 ↗ newport way and then across newport way

12:44 ↗ is squawk mountain to the east you have

12:47 ↗ netic's office building and to the west

12:49 ↗ you have the cascade business park

12:56 ↗ to give you some site context here the

12:59 ↗ site itself is just over four acres

13:03 ↗ the critical areas in question are

13:04 ↗ wetlands in a stream as you can see

13:08 ↗ in this image wetlands are

13:10 ↗ identified here as this little light

13:13 ↗ blue kind of lavender color

13:15 ↗ and the stream is the

13:17 ↗ the light blue going through the wetland

13:19 ↗ there and then the pink and the orange

13:23 ↗ are going to be slopes

13:25 ↗ the pink is slopes less than 40 percent

13:28 ↗ and the orangish red color is going to

13:30 ↗ be slips over 40 percent

13:35 ↗ so the proposal is for redevelopment of

13:38 ↗ the site that you see outlined

13:40 ↗ and

13:41 ↗ it is going to be redevelopment of the

13:43 ↗ site currently there is an office

13:45 ↗ building there which is also known as

13:47 ↗ the ge site locally

13:50 ↗ the redevelopment will be uh demolition

13:52 ↗ of the existing structure and then the

13:54 ↗ development of about 385

13:58 ↗ apartment units with 17 500 square feet

14:01 ↗ of commercial space

14:05 ↗ so for the neighborhood portion of the

14:07 ↗ meeting tonight the key is focusing on

14:11 ↗ critical areas or critical areas

14:12 ↗ adjacent to the site

14:14 ↗ this is a map that the applicant has

14:17 ↗ provided which outlines some preliminary

14:19 ↗ locations of the wetland and the stream

14:23 ↗ in the yellow here you can see the

14:25 ↗ outline of

14:27 ↗ the

14:28 ↗ approximate location of the category

14:30 ↗ three wetland and then there's a dashed

14:33 ↗ kind of

14:34 ↗ teal line through here that is where the

14:37 ↗ stream is located and that is known as

14:40 ↗ tributary zero

14:42 ↗ one seven zero

14:45 ↗ and as you can see here there is um

14:48 ↗ about 250 feet between

14:51 ↗ where the stream begins or the tributary

14:55 ↗ and the property line

14:57 ↗ and then there is also about a hundred

15:00 ↗ feet between the property line and the

15:02 ↗ wetland buffer

15:09 ↗ just to kind of give you a

15:11 ↗ summary of where we're at in the process

15:13 ↗ and where we're going from here right

15:14 ↗ now we are at the pre-application stage

15:16 ↗ so the applicant has come in for a

15:18 ↗ pre-application meeting and had some

15:20 ↗ input

15:21 ↗ received back from the city reviewers

15:24 ↗ and we are still at pre-application the

15:26 ↗ applicant has not submitted a formal

15:28 ↗ application for review yet

15:31 ↗ so the next step will be that submittal

15:33 ↗ for review and that will be the site

15:36 ↗ development permit

15:37 ↗ and along with that we'll have the cpa

15:39 ↗ review

15:40 ↗ and construction permits including

15:42 ↗ building site work and landscaping

15:45 ↗ and it is important to notice that the

15:47 ↗ site development permit and the sipa

15:48 ↗ will both have

15:50 ↗ community notices tied to them as well

15:56 ↗ okay some of the general development

15:58 ↗ standards for the project are listed

16:00 ↗ here

16:01 ↗ maximum impervious surface is 95

16:04 ↗ maximum floor error ratio is

16:07 ↗ 5.0 residential and 5.0 commercial

16:10 ↗ and 36 units per developable acre is the

16:13 ↗ minimum density

16:15 ↗ and the minimum base height is 60 feet

16:17 ↗ or 66 feet and that has to do

16:20 ↗ with density bonus which this applicant

16:23 ↗ is

16:24 ↗ looking to

16:25 ↗ use in this project and they have

16:28 ↗ indicated in their narrative that they

16:29 ↗ submitted for this meeting that they

16:31 ↗ understand the criteria required for

16:33 ↗ density bonus

16:35 ↗ and they are hoping to or planning to

16:37 ↗ include at least 40 affordable housing

16:40 ↗ units in their development

16:43 ↗ okay so as you look at this i'm i'm

16:45 ↗ pointing out some access points here so

16:48 ↗ this

16:49 ↗ is 12th avenue and you have at the north

16:52 ↗ property line and access point here the

16:54 ↗ red circles indicate where there are

16:57 ↗ parking garage entrances

16:59 ↗ and then the blue rectangular sections

17:02 ↗ are indicating pedestrian access ways

17:07 ↗ the proposed access is off of 12th

17:09 ↗ avenue which is a core street

17:12 ↗ and the circulation

17:15 ↗ facilities

17:16 ↗ illustrated here are connecting 12th to

17:20 ↗ to newport

17:28 ↗ preliminary assessment of their design

17:30 ↗ indicates that they may meet the density

17:32 ↗ and height

17:33 ↗ criteria

17:35 ↗ as i noted if they meet the criteria for

17:37 ↗ a density bonus

17:38 ↗ you can see the elevations or the facade

17:41 ↗ of what they're proposing here this is

17:43 ↗ at the top the north elevation so that

17:45 ↗ will be adjacent to the spring hill

17:47 ↗ suites

17:48 ↗ and then at the bottom you have the west

17:50 ↗ elevation which is what will be facing

17:51 ↗ 12th avenue and will be the most

17:53 ↗ prominent

17:55 ↗ facade of this

17:56 ↗ of this development

18:02 ↗ so the intent of the mixed-use district

18:04 ↗ is to provide mixed-use neighborhood

18:06 ↗ with class a office buildings retail

18:08 ↗ uses and high quality medium density

18:10 ↗ residential development

18:12 ↗ and services and businesses

18:15 ↗ the applicant has indicated that they

18:18 ↗ understand what is necessary for

18:20 ↗ compliance with this project and

18:23 ↗ and it will be reviewed uh in the

18:25 ↗ central issaquad development and design

18:27 ↗ standards

18:32 ↗ these are the other facades that were

18:34 ↗ provided the south elevation is at the

18:36 ↗ top and the east elevation

18:38 ↗ is at the bottom

18:43 ↗ here they've illustrated its modulation

18:44 ↗ using different colors to break up the

18:46 ↗ building mass which is something that

18:47 ↗ will be critical in their design review

18:49 ↗ phase

18:52 ↗ okay and as noted earlier circulation is

18:55 ↗ a key component to this project

18:57 ↗ community spaces and landscaping will

18:59 ↗ also be reviewed once we have a full

19:01 ↗ packet to assess

19:07 ↗ this illustration here kind of gives you

19:09 ↗ an idea of what the preliminary proposal

19:11 ↗ is for landscaping along the buildings

19:14 ↗ and along the pedestrian plaza

19:17 ↗ and then we have

19:19 ↗ a gravel path here

19:21 ↗ and some vegetation

19:25 ↗ again landscaping and tree retention

19:27 ↗ will be reviewed when when the applicant

19:29 ↗ submits

19:30 ↗ their

19:31 ↗ the review materials

19:33 ↗ okay and with that i will pass it on to

19:35 ↗ the applicant for their presentation

19:39 ↗ great thank you holly so the applicant

19:41 ↗ team um

19:43 ↗ your presentation and if you wouldn't

19:45 ↗ mind introducing your team that would be

19:46 ↗ great

19:48 ↗ sure i will do that um let's see if we

19:49 ↗ can go ahead and get our presentation up

19:52 ↗ on the screen i think

19:54 ↗ will that be megan yes hayden will be

19:57 ↗ doing the presenting

19:59 ↗ i will be attempting to uh prompt her at

20:01 ↗ the right time and not screw it up we'll

20:03 ↗ see how that goes

20:05 ↗ she's waiting on that maybe we should

20:06 ↗ have a contest to rename the stream

20:09 ↗ what was it zero something

20:16 ↗ oh that's very encouraging there we go

20:21 ↗ so

20:22 ↗ uh good evening of course thank you very

20:24 ↗ much for taking time out of your

20:25 ↗ evenings to come listen to us ramble on

20:27 ↗ about the project

20:29 ↗ um i'm uh derek bottles i'm the vice

20:31 ↗ president of development for bay

20:33 ↗ communities

20:34 ↗ with me here in our office in bellevue

20:37 ↗ is our carl charette who's our

20:38 ↗ development director and several of our

20:40 ↗ consultants including increments in

20:42 ↗ wetlands resources

20:44 ↗ transport transportation engineering

20:46 ↗ rumble a landscape with fan creme we

20:48 ↗ have um megan kim and scott crosby

20:52 ↗ wetlands resources represented by scott

20:54 ↗ brainard transport has mike swenson and

20:57 ↗ michelle wall and i think mark rumball

20:59 ↗ are here from

21:00 ↗ landscaping

21:02 ↗ uh we look forward to any feedback or

21:04 ↗ questions at the end of this

21:05 ↗ presentation you know it's early days

21:06 ↗ we're going to make our application

21:08 ↗ shortly after you know the formal

21:10 ↗ application shortly after this meeting

21:12 ↗ we like our concept but we are also very

21:15 ↗ open to input and ideas and thoughts and

21:18 ↗ we have a couple questions at the end

21:19 ↗ around some possible departures that

21:21 ↗ we'd like some input on

21:24 ↗ page two if you could megan

21:28 ↗ just a little bit about avalon bay you

21:30 ↗ know we're a company that's focused on

21:31 ↗ owning operating and building

21:32 ↗ multi-family communities and what we see

21:34 ↗ as the country's most dynamic cities

21:36 ↗ though we are a national company local

21:39 ↗ teams make up the decisions for

21:41 ↗ our developments we are thoughtful

21:43 ↗ long-term owners we recognize one size

21:45 ↗ does not fit all every one of our new

21:47 ↗ communities is designed locally to be

21:48 ↗ part of the community fabric and not a

21:50 ↗ prototype dropped in from afar

21:52 ↗ onto page three

21:55 ↗ i think that what's really important um

21:58 ↗ in issaquah and really everywhere we do

21:59 ↗ business nowadays is we're committed to

22:01 ↗ being good stewards for the environment

22:03 ↗ avalonbay was an early adopter of green

22:05 ↗ building practices and most of our

22:07 ↗ communities have achieved some level of

22:09 ↗ environmental certification

22:11 ↗ we were the first multi-family real

22:12 ↗ estate investment trust to publish a

22:14 ↗ corporate responsibility report it's

22:16 ↗ available online it details how we are

22:18 ↗ performing for the environment on social

22:20 ↗ issues and on corporate governance

22:22 ↗ we want a few companies that has

22:23 ↗ committed to science-based sustainable

22:25 ↗ development goals with clear targets for

22:27 ↗ reductions in waste water and greenhouse

22:29 ↗ gases by 2023

22:32 ↗ page four

22:34 ↗ um luckily just some ideas of you know

22:37 ↗ we talked about this here's uh some

22:38 ↗ recent history at avalon north creek up

22:41 ↗ in just north of bothell you know we

22:43 ↗ purchased this land

22:44 ↗ we were able to clean up contaminated

22:46 ↗ soils

22:47 ↗ that was a source of heavy metals

22:48 ↗ entering adjacent wetlands we also

22:50 ↗ learned that there was an entire screen

22:51 ↗ inside a culvert under the site we

22:53 ↗ elected to daylight this stream so the

22:55 ↗ water could benefit from a well-designed

22:57 ↗ channel and surrounding habitat before

22:59 ↗ flowing into

23:00 ↗ adjacent critical areas

23:02 ↗ even closer to this qual site over in

23:04 ↗ newcastle just over the mountain

23:06 ↗ we purchased the land for avalon

23:08 ↗ newcastle knowing full well we would

23:09 ↗ face clean up more than a century worth

23:11 ↗ of environmental impacts from coal

23:12 ↗ mining and brick manufacturing

23:15 ↗ from that site we removed coal tank

23:17 ↗ lines restored wetlands removed barrier

23:19 ↗ culverts from streams treated petroleum

23:21 ↗ contaminations in the soils and

23:23 ↗ groundwater

23:24 ↗ remedy remove sources from heavy metals

23:27 ↗ um

23:28 ↗ in the critical areas and again streams

23:30 ↗ and the list goes on it was a massive

23:32 ↗ 53-acre project

23:33 ↗ that dramatically improved the health of

23:36 ↗ the water in cold creek and the habitat

23:38 ↗ around the site

23:39 ↗ i encourage you guys to go visit if you

23:40 ↗ have any questions

23:42 ↗ both of those projects achieve the lead

23:43 ↗ silver which is a green certification

23:46 ↗ and we're targeting lead guild for

23:48 ↗ avalon esqua page five which i think

23:50 ↗ you're

23:51 ↗ good

23:54 ↗ on the site for avalon disappoint we do

23:56 ↗ not have any critical areas or buffers

23:58 ↗ actually on the lot however there are

24:01 ↗ critical areas under 200 feet away as

24:03 ↗ holly pointed out

24:05 ↗ right from the beginning i've directed

24:06 ↗ the team

24:08 ↗ to respect and consider these in all

24:09 ↗ aspects of our design

24:11 ↗ i also ask that we retain the open space

24:13 ↗ on our south edge

24:16 ↗ our development will eliminate a route

24:19 ↗ for

24:20 ↗ pollutants of surface water from newport

24:22 ↗ way and the surface parking from

24:24 ↗ reaching these critical areas

24:26 ↗ um we are respectful with the stormwater

24:28 ↗ conveyance ditch that daylight's on the

24:30 ↗ south side of our site and we want to be

24:32 ↗ good stewards of this water on its

24:33 ↗ journey to the critical areas further

24:35 ↗ east

24:36 ↗ our teams are focused on implementing

24:38 ↗ ideas from the best available science

24:40 ↗ this includes temperature regulation and

24:42 ↗ expanding plantings

24:44 ↗ for the riparian zone when this channel

24:46 ↗ was created in the late 1980s the water

24:49 ↗ course was well designed but the

24:50 ↗ reparation zone was only planted for 16

24:53 ↗ feet on the north side of this

24:54 ↗ stormwater conveyance

24:56 ↗ we are going to extend the plantain

24:58 ↗ native

24:59 ↗ plants and work with the city on tree

25:00 ↗ retention to make sure that we have the

25:02 ↗ right shading and planting surrounding

25:04 ↗ the ditch

25:05 ↗ on the north side

25:07 ↗ and

25:08 ↗ period excuse me on the north side the

25:10 ↗ parking that's currently on the site

25:12 ↗ does not drain directly to this channel

25:14 ↗ but newport white can

25:16 ↗ our project includes frontage

25:17 ↗ improvements to prevent brake dust oils

25:19 ↗ and other

25:20 ↗ contaminants sheep flowing down from

25:22 ↗ newport way into the commands

25:24 ↗ this water will now be intercepted by

25:26 ↗ new sidewalks i think bike lane curbs

25:28 ↗ and the water will be treated before

25:30 ↗ being discharged into the critical areas

25:33 ↗ besides environmental improvements the

25:34 ↗ project also creates more than 40

25:36 ↗ permanently affordable housing

25:38 ↗ homes

25:39 ↗ at 50 percent of area median income

25:41 ↗ it's a good transit oriented development

25:43 ↗ just down the street from the parking

25:45 ↗ rate

25:46 ↗ and we're retraining

25:48 ↗ retaining commercial space for jobs

25:50 ↗ along with paying significant impact

25:52 ↗ fees for the community to invest in

25:53 ↗ parks schools transportation and other

25:55 ↗ social needs

25:56 ↗ page seven please

25:59 ↗ the site is located inside the central

26:02 ↗ isquad regional growth area and within

26:04 ↗ the gilman mixed-use neighborhood of

26:06 ↗ downtown where the city has planned for

26:07 ↗ dense development

26:09 ↗ we like this location because our

26:10 ↗ residents tell us they value walkable

26:12 ↗ proximity to transit and services such

26:15 ↗ as stores banks and restaurants

26:17 ↗ they also value access to recreation we

26:19 ↗ are impressed with the city's vision for

26:21 ↗ bikes and pedestrian trails and will

26:22 ↗ build upon this vision within our

26:24 ↗ development tibbetts park across the

26:26 ↗ street will benefit our residents

26:27 ↗ greatly and looking for their field we

26:29 ↗ know the hiking trails in this clubhouse

26:32 ↗ um mountain biking mountain tiger

26:34 ↗ mountain and water access that likes to

26:35 ↗ manage our old local gyms aj

26:39 ↗ here you can see a little bit closer the

26:41 ↗ context of the park to the parking right

26:43 ↗ page nine

26:46 ↗ on this map we show how residents will

26:48 ↗ have easy walking and viking access to

26:49 ↗ all the services the community has on

26:51 ↗ the offer the wider community

26:53 ↗ we also see how the community will

26:55 ↗ connect to the current and future

26:57 ↗ network of paths streets and bike lanes

27:00 ↗ and we can drill in a little further on

27:01 ↗ page 10.

27:05 ↗ uh we've worked really hard to design

27:07 ↗ the community to be well connected and

27:09 ↗ to improve the pedestrian scale

27:10 ↗ experience for our neighbors

27:12 ↗ the homeowners to the south will have a

27:13 ↗ new connection that is fairly direct and

27:15 ↗ removed from the noise of street traffic

27:17 ↗ traveling north to services restaurants

27:19 ↗ etc

27:20 ↗ office workers will have a path to the

27:22 ↗ park from the east and as this club

27:24 ↗ builds out the green necklace around us

27:27 ↗ our site will be ready to be part of

27:28 ↗ that

27:29 ↗ we preserve the open space to the south

27:31 ↗ as i mentioned

27:32 ↗ and working around the existing hotel to

27:34 ↗ the north that will remain for many

27:36 ↗ decades as well as the office building

27:37 ↗ that is not likely to be redeveloped due

27:39 ↗ to its proximity to critical areas it's

27:41 ↗ a

27:42 ↗ unique site shape where cookie cutter

27:44 ↗ rules may not work the best

27:46 ↗ but by embracing what exists and what is

27:47 ↗ planned i think we can create something

27:49 ↗ special that meets all the goals

27:51 ↗ outlined in the central issaquah plan

27:53 ↗ and development and design standards

27:56 ↗ with that i turn it over to our

27:57 ↗ architects megan kim and scott crosby

28:00 ↗ we'll thank for moisten to talk more

28:01 ↗ about the actual building in detail

28:04 ↗ all right well thank you derek um so

28:07 ↗ responding to the site constraints and

28:09 ↗ opportunities that derry could mention

28:11 ↗ the project consists of two separate

28:13 ↗ buildings the north and the south so the

28:16 ↗ two buildings create through block

28:18 ↗ passages from both on 12th avenue and

28:21 ↗ newport way creating a convenient

28:23 ↗ pedestrian network between the two

28:25 ↗ streets

28:26 ↗ the corridor in the middle is where the

28:29 ↗ two through rock passages meet and this

28:31 ↗ is a public courtyard that is active

28:33 ↗ vibrant and festive we're locating our

28:36 ↗ most active amenity functions in the

28:38 ↗ middle

28:39 ↗ such as fitness and the kids room to

28:41 ↗ promote and ensure activity in the

28:44 ↗ courtyard the rooftop that you see here

28:46 ↗ is also positioned to have a visual

28:48 ↗ connection back to the center corridor

28:50 ↗ making this a real hub for the project

28:54 ↗ with that i will turn it over to scott

28:57 ↗ thank you megan

28:59 ↗ this view is from the west side of 12th

29:02 ↗ looking to the east

29:04 ↗ it shows the two separate distinct

29:07 ↗ buildings and highlights the emphasis on

29:10 ↗ the through block connector

29:12 ↗ this design is to generate as much

29:16 ↗ ground level pedestrian activity as we

29:19 ↗ can on the left side or the north

29:22 ↗ building our primary

29:24 ↗ entry and residential lobby and leasing

29:26 ↗ is located

29:28 ↗ and to the south the glazing area there

29:31 ↗ in the bays

29:33 ↗ is our commercial area the overhead

29:36 ↗ canopies provide weather protection

29:39 ↗ and foster an environment of

29:43 ↗ people activity

29:45 ↗ the building also steps back at the

29:47 ↗ upper levels

29:50 ↗ and the decks also

29:52 ↗ help that stepping back as the height

29:55 ↗ increases

29:57 ↗ next slide please

30:01 ↗ this view is taken at the intersection

30:04 ↗ of 12th avenue in newport way a little

30:07 ↗ further south

30:09 ↗ and looking towards the north east

30:12 ↗ this shows how we have

30:15 ↗ sent back and separated from

30:18 ↗ newport way really honoring the kind of

30:21 ↗ natural area and existing trees

30:25 ↗ that are there now

30:27 ↗ you can also see how

30:29 ↗ the extensive glazing

30:31 ↗ overhead weather protection really honor

30:34 ↗ and celebrate the

30:36 ↗ commercial areas

30:38 ↗ again increasing pedestrian activity

30:42 ↗ the

30:43 ↗ idea of the building forms stepping back

30:47 ↗ is also reinforced here as you go high

30:50 ↗ is with more height

30:52 ↗ the decks project out at the lower

30:54 ↗ levels then we step back and change

30:57 ↗ color and materials and step back to the

31:01 ↗ upper levels

31:06 ↗ okay um

31:07 ↗ in terms of the exterior design we are

31:10 ↗ proposing to use northwest contemporary

31:12 ↗ style which is one of the two allowed

31:15 ↗ styles per central is aqua design manual

31:18 ↗ or the site in urban core the exterior

31:21 ↗ facades mainly consist of dark brick

31:23 ↗ paired with warm wood color siding and

31:26 ↗ we're also using both dark and light

31:28 ↗ metal accents as well as some concrete

31:31 ↗ and masonry units that the base has

31:33 ↗ allowed in the design manual these are

31:36 ↗ durable high quality materials that will

31:38 ↗ withstand the weather very well

31:40 ↗ and here in the preliminary elevation

31:43 ↗ showing the material allocation and

31:45 ↗ basic

31:47 ↗ composition

31:49 ↗ um

31:50 ↗ next we wanted to briefly discuss the

31:53 ↗ departures that we have to this point

31:55 ↗ and we are currently seeking six

31:57 ↗ departures

31:58 ↗ the first one is

32:00 ↗ i'll zoom in just a little bit the first

32:03 ↗ one is from development standard 4.4

32:06 ↗ point e which requires all parts of the

32:09 ↗ roof extending above the base building

32:11 ↗ height to be minimum 4 to 12 pitch and

32:14 ↗ as you can see in this diagram our level

32:16 ↗ 7 for the north building

32:19 ↗ extend beyond the base zoning height and

32:21 ↗ we're requesting departure to allow us

32:24 ↗ to use flat roof inside a pitched roof

32:27 ↗ as mentioned before we're proposing

32:28 ↗ northwest contemporary style and the

32:30 ↗ flat roof is allowed for the style per

32:33 ↗ central issaquah design manual and not

32:36 ↗ only the flat roofs complement this

32:38 ↗ style but it also gives us a good

32:39 ↗ platform and access for the on-site

32:42 ↗ solar panels that we are providing for

32:44 ↗ this project

32:45 ↗ in addition

32:47 ↗ incorporating four to twelve pitch roof

32:49 ↗ will actually

32:50 ↗ create adverse effects by making the

32:52 ↗ building tight and bulk bigger than what

32:55 ↗ we would propose with a flat roof

32:59 ↗ the next three departures actually kind

33:01 ↗ of go hand in hand so departure number

33:03 ↗ two is from development standard 11.3

33:06 ↗ point f

33:08 ↗ which requires structures to be located

33:10 ↗ towards the designated circulation

33:12 ↗ facilities in figure 6a to comply with

33:15 ↗ bill 2 lines

33:16 ↗ for figure 6a like holy was pointing out

33:20 ↗ the 12th avenue is core street and

33:23 ↗ newport ways of parkway so both our

33:25 ↗ designated circulation facility thus

33:28 ↗ requiring build two lines for us

33:30 ↗ um as you can see we meet the delta line

33:33 ↗ along twelfth but we don't along newport

33:36 ↗ way and this is because as mentioned

33:39 ↗ before we are proposing voluntary

33:41 ↗ setback all along newport way to respect

33:44 ↗ and retain the existing open space and

33:46 ↗ to maintain the daylighted storm water

33:48 ↗ conveyance stitch

33:50 ↗ this open space creates buffer for the

33:52 ↗ project from high traffic road but not

33:54 ↗ only that it provides greenery and

33:57 ↗ visual relief for the vicinity which

33:59 ↗ aligns with the city's vision of green

34:01 ↗ necklace

34:02 ↗ in addition the setback allows for

34:05 ↗ transition zone to less than

34:07 ↗ single-family zone to the south across

34:09 ↗ the street

34:11 ↗ departure number three is from

34:14 ↗ development standard

34:15 ↗ 11.3 point g point one

34:18 ↗ in the urban core zone minimum building

34:20 ↗ frontage alone built to line is at least

34:23 ↗ 75

34:25 ↗ um our project proposes about 300 feet

34:28 ↗ of building frontage which is about 70

34:32 ↗ the remaining 30 percent is occupied by

34:35 ↗ um the the fire lane slash alley to the

34:38 ↗ north through block passage in the

34:40 ↗ middle and a pedestrian facility and a

34:43 ↗ voluntary setback along south for the

34:45 ↗ open space and landscape

34:47 ↗ and if you

34:49 ↗ go to the subsequent section of

34:50 ↗ development standard 11.3.1

34:54 ↗ the code actually allows 10 reduction in

34:56 ↗ building frontage if it accommodates

34:59 ↗ community spaces like plazas or entry

35:01 ↗ ports and that seems to be applicable

35:04 ↗ for our project as we accommodate

35:07 ↗ community space like through block and

35:09 ↗ the

35:10 ↗ pedestrian facility with landscaping

35:13 ↗ um departure number four is from

35:15 ↗ development standard 11.3 point h

35:19 ↗ uh building frontage shell occupy all of

35:21 ↗ the bill 2 lines at intersection 4

35:25 ↗ for a minimum distance of 60 feet from

35:27 ↗ the corner so right here uh we're

35:30 ↗ requesting a departure to allow us

35:32 ↗ to step back from the corner at 12th and

35:35 ↗ newport way intersection again in order

35:38 ↗ to maintain the existing open space to

35:40 ↗ the south

35:42 ↗ departure number five is from

35:44 ↗ development standard

35:46 ↗ 12.5.8 pedestrian facility connection

35:49 ↗ shall be provided at a minimum 250 feet

35:53 ↗ of street frontage when a block exceeds

35:55 ↗ 300 feet

35:57 ↗ um as you can see here

35:59 ↗ the distance between the 12th avenue

36:02 ↗ sidewalk to the two block passageway off

36:05 ↗ of newport weighs slightly over 250 feet

36:08 ↗ we are currently measuring at 267 feet

36:11 ↗ here and that is to align our two block

36:14 ↗ passage to the existing straight grid at

36:17 ↗ 11th place northwest as aligning with

36:20 ↗ the existing street network seems to be

36:22 ↗ one of the most important features of

36:24 ↗ new production facility connection

36:26 ↗ verbals development standards as well as

36:29 ↗ design manual

36:31 ↗ and finally departure number six is from

36:36 ↗ development standard 14.4.8

36:41 ↗ which requires ground level retail and

36:43 ↗ entrance lobby to have minimum 15 feet

36:45 ↗ first floor height

36:48 ↗ we have 14 feet first floor height here

36:51 ↗ for the building lobby portion at the

36:53 ↗ north end of the street which makes up

36:56 ↗ about 30 percent of the total building

36:58 ↗ frontage along 12th avenue 14 feet is um

37:02 ↗ actually ample space for this interior

37:04 ↗ function of the building entry and the

37:06 ↗ lobby to work for us um the remaining

37:10 ↗ seventy percent of the frontage is

37:11 ↗ fifteen

37:13 ↗ fifteen feet first floor height and this

37:15 ↗ is occupied by commercial function and

37:17 ↗ additionally the grade actually slopes

37:20 ↗ down towards north essentially giving us

37:22 ↗ that additional another foot of height

37:25 ↗ to the facade from the pedestrian

37:28 ↗ experience

37:29 ↗ so

37:31 ↗ that

37:32 ↗ concludes our portion of the

37:34 ↗ presentation and i'll we'll

37:36 ↗ turn it over back to holly thank you

37:40 ↗ great thank you to the

37:42 ↗ team from avalon bay and tan to the city

37:45 ↗ for your presentations uh

37:47 ↗ this evening so this is the part of the

37:50 ↗ meeting um

37:52 ↗ where we engage community members uh

37:54 ↗ early in the application process so that

37:56 ↗ the community has opportunities to ask

37:58 ↗ questions and speak

38:00 ↗ directly to the applicant and their team

38:02 ↗ about the proposed project we want to

38:05 ↗ hear both general comments as well as

38:07 ↗ your comments questions and concerns

38:10 ↗ regarding critical areas and the studies

38:12 ↗ of the critical areas

38:14 ↗ staff will be present for the entire

38:16 ↗ meeting this evening to answer any

38:17 ↗ questions about the development

38:19 ↗ standards review the permit process etc

38:21 ↗ and all questions related to the site

38:23 ↗ and design should be directed to the

38:25 ↗ applicant

38:26 ↗ i'm now going to open the meeting for

38:28 ↗ public questions and comments

38:30 ↗ and concerns so a little bit of

38:33 ↗ direction on how that works so if any

38:35 ↗ member of the public would like to speak

38:37 ↗ and or ask a question please type the

38:39 ↗ word question or comment in the chat box

38:44 ↗ please direct those um

38:46 ↗ those ch chats to all panelists and when

38:49 ↗ it's your turn you will be moved up as a

38:51 ↗ panelist

38:53 ↗ and if you are on the phone and not on a

38:55 ↗ computer please press star 3

38:57 ↗ on your phone or raise your hand

38:59 ↗ virtually

39:01 ↗ once you are moved up you may then

39:04 ↗ unmute your microphone and turn on your

39:06 ↗ video

39:07 ↗ state your name and then proceed to ask

39:09 ↗ your question or your comment

39:12 ↗ and or if you prefer you can enter your

39:14 ↗ full comment in the question uh or

39:17 ↗ question in the chat and then staff will

39:19 ↗ read it uh

39:21 ↗ this evening

39:22 ↗ uh when you're completed with your

39:24 ↗ comment please mute your microphone

39:26 ↗ um before we get started also going to

39:28 ↗ ask that all commenters keep their

39:30 ↗ questions and our comments to less than

39:32 ↗ five minutes to respect everybody's time

39:34 ↗ this evening so try to be succinct

39:37 ↗ uh and this will allow everybody who

39:39 ↗ wishes to speak a chance to talk

39:41 ↗ also we may have attendees joining us by

39:43 ↗ phone so please introduce yourself each

39:45 ↗ time before speaking and are there any

39:48 ↗ questions if so

39:50 ↗ enter them in the chat

39:52 ↗ and we will

39:54 ↗ move you up as a panels

39:57 ↗ tim kimball has indicated he would like

39:59 ↗ to speak i'm going to make you a

40:02 ↗ panelist tim

40:06 ↗ go ahead and unmute

40:11 ↗ and turn on your videos give us your

40:14 ↗ name and let us know your thoughts

40:22 ↗ please thanks everyone i hope you can

40:25 ↗ hear me

40:26 ↗ yes

40:28 ↗ uh my name is tim kimball i'm a 25-year

40:30 ↗ resident of issaquah and um

40:33 ↗ first of all i just wanted to thank you

40:35 ↗ for this opportunity to discuss the

40:38 ↗ avalon proposal

40:40 ↗ as we are all aware our

40:42 ↗ community is

40:43 ↗ surrounded by forested hillsides and

40:45 ↗ offers a unique challenge for future

40:48 ↗ development

40:49 ↗ so

40:50 ↗ we're looking for environmentally

40:51 ↗ responsible developers um who can build

40:55 ↗ to the vision of our community and still

40:57 ↗ meet their goals

40:59 ↗ uh so i think these community meetings

41:01 ↗ early in the application process can

41:03 ↗ really help you know achieve these goals

41:04 ↗ so thank you um

41:07 ↗ after reviewing the various reports i

41:08 ↗ have a few questions that i hope can be

41:10 ↗ addressed at this meet uh

41:12 ↗ this evening

41:13 ↗ um number one the

41:16 ↗ wetland slash tree canopy issue

41:22 ↗ the stream or culvert on the south side

41:26 ↗ feeds a large wetland on

41:29 ↗ both sides of maple street i'm wondering

41:31 ↗ if the

41:33 ↗ the ecologist

41:35 ↗ mr brainard can explain how the boundary

41:37 ↗ lines

41:38 ↗ surrounding the category three wetlines

41:41 ↗ were

41:42 ↗ defined or determined

41:44 ↗ and

41:47 ↗ how will the wetlands be protected

41:49 ↗ during construction

41:51 ↗ um

41:52 ↗ also on that topic

41:54 ↗ what is

41:55 ↗ what is the plan for

41:58 ↗ water runoff uh from driveways and

42:00 ↗ impervious surfaces

42:03 ↗ and the plan to protect

42:05 ↗ you know the surrounding wetlands in

42:08 ↗ that regard

42:10 ↗ um

42:11 ↗ also how much of the existing tree

42:13 ↗ canopies

42:14 ↗ uh are

42:16 ↗ being planned to be retained

42:20 ↗ uh because you know currently there's a

42:22 ↗ a rather lush uh

42:24 ↗ 60 to 80 feet of

42:26 ↗ vegetate vegetated buffer uh currently

42:28 ↗ running along newport way so

42:31 ↗ uh

42:32 ↗ i'd like to know how much of that

42:34 ↗ we're planning to retain

42:36 ↗ um secondly us con regarding storm water

42:39 ↗ containment

42:40 ↗ are there plans for

42:43 ↗ water retention during

42:45 ↗ you know periods where there's a lot of

42:47 ↗ rainfall as we've recently seen

42:51 ↗ and

42:54 ↗ and then on the matter of

42:57 ↗ the site plan and uses

42:59 ↗ i think a lot of us are looking forward

43:00 ↗ to mixed-use

43:02 ↗ properties that benefit from

43:04 ↗ the benefit the community along with the

43:06 ↗ residents

43:08 ↗ uses such as cafes with outdoor dining

43:11 ↗ you know coffee house to congregate

43:13 ↗ small retailers that fit the issaquah

43:15 ↗ charm

43:16 ↗ um

43:17 ↗ the question is what types of commercial

43:19 ↗ uses are are being considered

43:23 ↗ and then

43:24 ↗ lastly um

43:28 ↗ it's

43:30 ↗ it's my opinion that the design has very

43:32 ↗ little vertical modulation or character

43:34 ↗ from from what i've seen and

43:37 ↗ i'm

43:38 ↗ curious to know if

43:40 ↗ if there's general agreement that it

43:42 ↗ it blends in with the environment or

43:45 ↗ the vision of of

43:47 ↗ issaquah

43:49 ↗ um i'm not really seeing that you know

43:52 ↗ all that strongly right now and

43:54 ↗ especially with it the proposal being

43:56 ↗ seven floors you know it's going to be

43:57 ↗ one of the certainly one of the tallest

43:59 ↗ buildings in issaquah so

44:01 ↗ um i'm hoping that

44:04 ↗ there will be some consideration for how

44:05 ↗ it's going to blend with the character

44:07 ↗ of issaquah

44:09 ↗ a little better

44:11 ↗ so with that um i will listen for

44:14 ↗ your comments and i thank you for your

44:16 ↗ time

44:17 ↗ mr kimball you can stay on in case you

44:20 ↗ have further questions uh we won't move

44:22 ↗ you back to being an attendee yet

44:26 ↗ great thank you

44:28 ↗ great thank you for your questions mr

44:30 ↗ kimball um i'll ask the applicant team

44:33 ↗ if you didn't capture them i think i've

44:34 ↗ got the questions but

44:36 ↗ um starting out with uh the wetland and

44:39 ↗ several questions really

44:40 ↗ wetland

44:42 ↗ yeah i'm going to have scott brainard

44:44 ↗ tackle the

44:45 ↗ first one or two and i can answer the

44:48 ↗ third part of the wetland and i can

44:51 ↗ answer to the other ones

44:54 ↗ my name's scott brainard i'm a principal

44:56 ↗ ecologist at wetland resources um i

44:58 ↗ could certainly answer the question

45:00 ↗ about how the wetland boundary was

45:02 ↗ determined

45:04 ↗ it was not physically delineated in the

45:06 ↗ field

45:07 ↗ it's off-site it's on adjacent private

45:09 ↗ property so access wasn't granted

45:12 ↗ to that property but what we did do is

45:15 ↗ we did a gis analysis of existing

45:19 ↗ depressions and flow paths to identify

45:21 ↗ where the likely wetland boundaries were

45:24 ↗ we looked at existing available

45:26 ↗ information like the national inventory

45:28 ↗ maps king county imap

45:31 ↗ and then conducted a site investigation

45:33 ↗ to truth what those resources were

45:36 ↗ telling us

45:37 ↗ the site investigation involved

45:40 ↗ walking along newport way walking on the

45:42 ↗ subject property and then also walking

45:45 ↗ in the parking lot and

45:48 ↗ adjacent property to the east through

45:51 ↗ all those things we were able to

45:52 ↗ identify the changes in the vegetation

45:55 ↗ we weren't able to sample the soil

45:57 ↗ directly because like i said we didn't

45:58 ↗ have access to those private areas but

46:01 ↗ we were able to pretty clearly define

46:03 ↗ where the wetlands were based on

46:06 ↗ comparing the depressions that we saw in

46:08 ↗ the field with the depressions that we

46:10 ↗ identified in our gis analysis so it was

46:13 ↗ a pretty clear boundary and we also had

46:16 ↗ the natural water contribution um from

46:19 ↗ the south side of newport way which

46:22 ↗ helped kind of define where those

46:24 ↗ wetland boundaries were so that's that's

46:26 ↗ in a nutshell how we determined where

46:29 ↗ the wetlands started in the off-site

46:31 ↗ portion

46:33 ↗ in terms of how the wetland boundary

46:35 ↗ will be protected

46:37 ↗ it's the wetland itself is about 200

46:39 ↗ feet off of our property

46:42 ↗ i believe that's correct 200 feet to the

46:45 ↗ east so the the buffer itself is not

46:47 ↗ going to extend into the property so in

46:50 ↗ terms of actual physical protection or

46:53 ↗ or physical buffering on our site we're

46:55 ↗ not going to have any but but

46:58 ↗ um

47:00 ↗ best management practices and you know

47:02 ↗ like cell fencing and stormwater

47:05 ↗ management practices are going to be

47:07 ↗ implemented to provide water quality

47:09 ↗ treatment and to keep impacts from

47:11 ↗ occurring during construction and post

47:13 ↗ construction so those those are the the

47:15 ↗ standard kind of stormwater and bmp

47:17 ↗ measures that will be implemented beyond

47:20 ↗ uh what buffering and critical area

47:21 ↗ protections typically would be in place

47:25 ↗ i can

47:27 ↗ add on to that a little bit from the

47:30 ↗ constructability side

47:31 ↗ so i think you asked about runoff so

47:34 ↗ currently storm water from the parking

47:36 ↗ lot or the imperfect surface on the site

47:38 ↗ is untreated it's captured in

47:42 ↗ catch basins and piped underneath the

47:44 ↗ property to the east and out into the to

47:46 ↗ the wetland

47:47 ↗ we will

47:50 ↗ first of all remove all the impervious

47:52 ↗ surface of uh parking lot all the

47:54 ↗ parking will be in the building which

47:56 ↗ will of course have you know

47:57 ↗ treatment inside the building for oil

47:59 ↗ water separators etc where garage waste

48:02 ↗ water will go to sewer system and no

48:04 ↗ longer be going to the critical areas

48:06 ↗ um during construction you know it's

48:08 ↗ typical

48:09 ↗ uh

48:10 ↗ tesc temporary erosion control and

48:12 ↗ sediment practices where we'll have

48:13 ↗ vapor tanks

48:15 ↗ filters etc to capture all the water

48:18 ↗ during construction treat it and we will

48:20 ↗ either discharge it if it meets the

48:22 ↗ standards to the stormwater commands or

48:25 ↗ we will

48:26 ↗ discharge it to sewer

48:28 ↗ through a industrial waste permit

48:30 ↗ through king county

48:31 ↗ depending on what level of treatment it

48:33 ↗ requires and what the sedimentation is

48:36 ↗ um we will have flow control you know we

48:38 ↗ will be slowing down

48:39 ↗ the flow of water off the site in storm

48:42 ↗ events which was one of your questions

48:44 ↗ that's not been fully designed yet but

48:46 ↗ it'll be a combination of you know

48:47 ↗ typical things like uh

48:49 ↗ blue pools green roofs and and possibly

48:52 ↗ some detention

48:53 ↗ as far as the tree canopy at the south

48:56 ↗ currently there's about 24 000 square

48:58 ↗ feet on the north side of the of the

49:01 ↗ of tree canopy i didn't count the south

49:03 ↗ side there's some additional there which

49:04 ↗ we're not touching

49:06 ↗ our proposal we'll have about 22 000 23

49:10 ↗ 000 square feet of that same canopy

49:13 ↗ remaining

49:14 ↗ we will be working with the city a

49:16 ↗ little bit on the tree retention plan we

49:17 ↗ meet the requirements of uh isoqua's

49:19 ↗ retention code at this time but we want

49:22 ↗ to work on the health of the trees

49:24 ↗ there's a couple trees that may make

49:26 ↗ sense to replace for a better species

49:28 ↗ for shading and nutrient input to the

49:31 ↗ stormwater conveyance ditch before it

49:32 ↗ gets to the critical areas

49:34 ↗ um and also

49:36 ↗ uh you know just to create more there's

49:38 ↗ a couple invasive species in there so

49:40 ↗ there might be some selective replanting

49:42 ↗ here and there but uh pretty close to

49:44 ↗ retaining the same canopy

49:48 ↗ i think you've asked stormwater

49:49 ↗ determination i think i've addressed

49:51 ↗ that

49:52 ↗ mixed use

49:53 ↗ uh we're planning we're you know we

49:55 ↗ always want to be flexible because we're

49:56 ↗ not really sure what the tenant demand

49:59 ↗ will be at the time

50:00 ↗ obviously restaurants and cafes have

50:02 ↗ suffered a little bit during covet but

50:03 ↗ we are providing grease ducts

50:06 ↗ grease

50:08 ↗ separators and those type of things to

50:09 ↗ attract a restaurant or cafe in the

50:11 ↗ retail spaces

50:13 ↗ um you know it could be

50:15 ↗ you know human you know child day care

50:17 ↗ it could be

50:18 ↗ small

50:19 ↗ fitness uses it could be cafes it could

50:22 ↗ be you know a shop or what have you

50:25 ↗ um it's a very flexible space and can be

50:28 ↗ repurposed over time

50:30 ↗ um

50:31 ↗ thank you for the comment on vertical

50:32 ↗ modulation you know we are working on

50:34 ↗ the design of the facade

50:36 ↗ there is still work to do we agree with

50:39 ↗ you to some extent i mean we like to

50:41 ↗ design but we are definitely still

50:42 ↗ working on refining it and uh

50:45 ↗ and we'll listen to others comments on

50:46 ↗ that as we continue to work on that i

50:49 ↗ hope i answered all of your questions

50:53 ↗ thank you mr mr kimball any follow-up

50:56 ↗ questions

50:58 ↗ no i've um

51:00 ↗ listened with great interest and i've

51:01 ↗ got my my notes here and um

51:04 ↗ i'll uh i'll process that and i

51:07 ↗ i was that was quite thorough thank you

51:10 ↗ thank you i'm going to mute you and make

51:12 ↗ you a an attendee the next person that

51:16 ↗ will be joining us is connie marsh in a

51:18 ↗ moment

51:36 ↗ ms marsh you have been um

51:40 ↗ yep i'm here you're here

51:42 ↗ i'm here with my hat boxes behind me my

51:44 ↗ name is connie marsha i live on squawk

51:46 ↗ mountain

51:47 ↗ um

51:49 ↗ and i do have a question because in the

51:52 ↗ introduction it sounded like we were

51:54 ↗ restricted to environmental comments in

51:57 ↗ this portion i did not see that we were

52:00 ↗ going to have a separate comment

52:03 ↗ on the other architectural stuff like we

52:06 ↗ would have in a typical community

52:08 ↗ conference so i i was unsure

52:11 ↗ as to

52:12 ↗ dump it all now atcha or parse it out in

52:15 ↗ two sections dump it now lucy's nodding

52:17 ↗ it dump it now okay

52:20 ↗ so i'm gonna start with environment

52:24 ↗ um

52:26 ↗ well let me i'm gonna take you to the

52:29 ↗ glacial age where the water clearly

52:32 ↗ flowed down uh basically sr 900 as as as

52:38 ↗ water flowed

52:40 ↗ and then

52:41 ↗ as the ice moved it changed direction

52:44 ↗ and the water has flowed down

52:47 ↗ squawk mountain in a variety of places

52:49 ↗ over time and then man has chill

52:52 ↗ chiseled his way through so the idea

52:55 ↗ that natural

52:57 ↗ uh

52:58 ↗ natural waters are not flowing through

53:01 ↗ this water body

53:03 ↗ is

53:04 ↗ is uh

53:08 ↗ not

53:09 ↗ rational to me

53:11 ↗ um if you look at where the water flows

53:13 ↗ from from basically all of tibbetts

53:16 ↗ valley park except for maybe 20 percent

53:19 ↗ that goes to tibbetts

53:21 ↗ creek uh flows

53:23 ↗ under newport way into this water body

53:28 ↗ and that includes the natural springs

53:31 ↗ and some of the wetlands that are

53:33 ↗ included

53:34 ↗ on tibbetts valley park

53:37 ↗ so you have direct water flows from

53:40 ↗ natural areas

53:42 ↗ into

53:44 ↗ this water body so um i don't agree

53:48 ↗ that it is a ditch

53:50 ↗ you all know i have been down the ditch

53:52 ↗ conversation before

53:55 ↗ this is going to be a a regulated water

53:58 ↗ body by the state department of fish and

54:01 ↗ wildlife

54:02 ↗ and so

54:03 ↗ when a corporation says we're green and

54:06 ↗ adorable we do wonderful things

54:09 ↗ yet they

54:11 ↗ want to call

54:13 ↗ a a

54:14 ↗ regulated water body

54:17 ↗ that the state proclaims

54:19 ↗ as a ditch just because we haven't

54:21 ↗ changed our code yet uh to make it so

54:26 ↗ that it would be a water a stream a

54:29 ↗ critical area for us i don't i don't

54:31 ↗ think you're supporting what you're

54:33 ↗ saying

54:34 ↗ issaquah is based

54:36 ↗ on

54:37 ↗ habitat

54:38 ↗ and restoration and at this point in

54:41 ↗ time we don't have time to waste to

54:44 ↗ protect our natural areas and this is a

54:47 ↗ natural water body flow

54:49 ↗ that is going down to tributary 0170 and

54:53 ↗ an enormous wetland that frankly can

54:55 ↗ treat the stormwater that is being put

54:58 ↗ into it

54:59 ↗ so

55:00 ↗ that lecture given in that guilt

55:02 ↗ provided i am going to go with we are

55:06 ↗ looking at climate and we are looking at

55:09 ↗ increased need for water detention and

55:12 ↗ um

55:14 ↗ and uh

55:16 ↗ and and capacity because we are getting

55:19 ↗ more water more often so to go by the

55:22 ↗ simple storm water manual requirements

55:25 ↗ that issaquah has will not be enough for

55:27 ↗ your building over time

55:29 ↗ if you look at your elevations and you

55:31 ↗ look at your borings you will see that

55:33 ↗ your ground water you are basically

55:35 ↗ going to be in your ground water i i was

55:38 ↗ in a store nearby and the groundwater

55:41 ↗ burbles up from the ground in the middle

55:43 ↗ of winter think atlas

55:46 ↗ which is another infamous flooding area

55:48 ↗ so you all are going to be fighting your

55:50 ↗ till and the water burbling up from

55:53 ↗ underneath you constantly i think you

55:55 ↗ need to

55:56 ↗ actually recognize the power of water

55:59 ↗ and i don't think you quite get it you

56:01 ↗ might after this winter but talk to your

56:03 ↗ neighbors and understand how much water

56:06 ↗ you will be getting um

56:09 ↗ for that nap kudos

56:12 ↗ a lot of the the existing trees saved if

56:16 ↗ you got rid of that whatever that weird

56:18 ↗ gravel thing is that you have going

56:21 ↗ across it actually it would help if you

56:23 ↗ had the picture of the what we're

56:25 ↗ talking about on the screen

56:27 ↗ um so everybody could

56:28 ↗ maybe see i don't know why that is there

56:32 ↗ um it would be better planted

56:35 ↗ because then you could have more habitat

56:37 ↗ which is what we are trying to get and

56:39 ↗ then uh speaking of habitat we have had

56:42 ↗ many issues with other developments of

56:44 ↗ this sort and pets

56:46 ↗ and what they will see is they will see

56:48 ↗ that as their pet poop area

56:51 ↗ and that will go

56:54 ↗ into the ditch

56:55 ↗ and

56:56 ↗ into tributary 0170 and into the wetland

56:59 ↗ which will love it

57:01 ↗ so i think you need to figure out how

57:03 ↗ you are going to deal with pets in

57:05 ↗ advance because it's been a significant

57:07 ↗ problem

57:08 ↗ in other places now i'm going gonna i'm

57:11 ↗ gonna yield the floor in case somebody

57:13 ↗ else wants to talk because i think i'm

57:14 ↗ already

57:16 ↗ at my five minutes and i haven't gotten

57:18 ↗ to any of my actual layout of the

57:22 ↗ of the buildings but can i reserve the

57:24 ↗ right to

57:25 ↗ to talk again if

57:27 ↗ other people don't wanna

57:32 ↗ yeah we're certainly early on appreciate

57:34 ↗ that miss marsh so we can take another

57:38 ↗ um

57:39 ↗ member of the public if there are others

57:40 ↗ that would like to comment uh and if we

57:42 ↗ have some additional space

57:45 ↗ um we can certainly invite you back

57:46 ↗ client to finish your comments

57:50 ↗ would you like me to uh address any of

57:52 ↗ those questions or comments

57:55 ↗ uh absolutely if you have if you have

57:57 ↗ comments just to respond absolutely we'd

57:59 ↗ like to hear it

58:00 ↗ sure

58:01 ↗ um

58:02 ↗ i appreciate your comment about the pet

58:03 ↗ waste that is a huge issue at our

58:05 ↗ communities and one of the things we've

58:07 ↗ been doing is getting dna tests for uh

58:09 ↗ dogs that are on site and so if the

58:12 ↗ owners are not

58:14 ↗ cleaning up their pet waste we are

58:16 ↗ we are tracking them down and finding

58:18 ↗ them etc i think we will also fence

58:21 ↗ there will be a

58:23 ↗ the trail to our south will be down

58:25 ↗ there'll be a ridge between the the

58:28 ↗ storm water and

58:31 ↗ the trail that we would like to not have

58:33 ↗ people going into again for that quality

58:35 ↗ of that repardian zone

58:37 ↗ obviously you know we're working in a

58:39 ↗ regulatory environment with a lot of

58:40 ↗ codes et cetera et cetera one of the

58:42 ↗ things i talked to the city a lot about

58:44 ↗ and is definitely on my mind is

58:48 ↗ even if this storm water is not

58:51 ↗ is body of the state or if it is a body

58:53 ↗ of the state what would we do

58:55 ↗ differently

58:56 ↗ um

58:57 ↗ right now as i said when it was built in

58:59 ↗ the 1980s

59:01 ↗ they did about 18 or 16 feet of

59:03 ↗ reparation zone

59:05 ↗ and they hit a gravel trail

59:07 ↗ and then sort of random whatever

59:09 ↗ happened after that

59:11 ↗ we've kept the building pretty

59:13 ↗ substantially to the same location as

59:15 ↗ the existing impervious surface and we

59:17 ↗ are really looking to try to make the

59:18 ↗ most of that

59:20 ↗ let's not call it a buffer per se

59:22 ↗ but the buffer to that we want to make

59:24 ↗ that as good as we can

59:25 ↗ um obviously there's a lot of science

59:28 ↗ out there that would suggest that

59:29 ↗ buffers

59:30 ↗ are the best at about 30 meters which is

59:32 ↗ 90 feet we're not there i'll admit that

59:36 ↗ but we are pretty similar to what is

59:37 ↗ there now and we're doing a significant

59:39 ↗ job to improve the quality of storm

59:42 ↗ water that can get

59:45 ↗ to that ditch

59:47 ↗ um you know

59:49 ↗ your comments are

59:52 ↗ well taken and i'm sure you know

59:54 ↗ we know who you are and we know that

59:56 ↗ you've done a lot of work in this area

59:58 ↗ and we'd welcome sitting down and to

59:59 ↗ talk about it further um

1:00:01 ↗ if there's

1:00:02 ↗ places that we can

1:00:04 ↗ get to compromise or agreement on or if

1:00:06 ↗ you have specific other ideas

1:00:08 ↗ we're open to listening and

1:00:10 ↗ yeah we are

1:00:12 ↗ concerned about the water quality around

1:00:14 ↗ us we also are aware of the very shallow

1:00:16 ↗ water table we do have borings et cetera

1:00:18 ↗ we're not going to intercept the

1:00:20 ↗ groundwater we're going to bathtub the

1:00:21 ↗ site it's maybe a little bit more of a

1:00:23 ↗ technical detail but we're not going to

1:00:24 ↗ try to withdraw that water we think that

1:00:26 ↗ would be bad for everyone bad for the

1:00:28 ↗ environment bad for the site

1:00:30 ↗ bad for the neighborhood

1:00:32 ↗ sorry bud

1:00:33 ↗ and impossible yeah and impossible but

1:00:36 ↗ yeah you're right there'd just be too

1:00:37 ↗ much water

1:00:39 ↗ so i don't know if i answered all of

1:00:40 ↗ your questions um

1:00:43 ↗ we'll reach out and you know we can talk

1:00:44 ↗ some more too if you if you're

1:00:46 ↗ interested

1:00:48 ↗ i'm i can talk all night

1:00:50 ↗ all right

1:00:52 ↗ thanks

1:00:56 ↗ um

1:00:57 ↗ i'm going to mute you connie uh make you

1:01:00 ↗ an attendee and i will be

1:01:03 ↗ moving

1:01:04 ↗ uh david kapler up in just a moment

1:01:24 ↗ david i believe you are a um

1:01:31 ↗ there we go um

1:01:32 ↗ i should be unmuted at this time is that

1:01:35 ↗ right

1:01:36 ↗ you are if you're able to identify

1:01:38 ↗ yourself and turn on your camera that

1:01:40 ↗ would be wonderful oh you even want to

1:01:42 ↗ see me okay um

1:01:44 ↗ if you can

1:01:46 ↗ it's always nice to get the face

1:01:52 ↗ my head here for the camera a little bit

1:01:54 ↗ better um yes uh david kepler resident

1:01:57 ↗ long time in issaquah i'm

1:01:59 ↗ very

1:02:00 ↗ concerned with um environmental issues

1:02:02 ↗ i'm uh

1:02:04 ↗ vice president for advocacy for

1:02:05 ↗ isabella's trails club so i think i can

1:02:08 ↗ speak to this at least some of these

1:02:09 ↗ issues as a trails club person and

1:02:11 ↗ others more as

1:02:13 ↗ interested citizen

1:02:15 ↗ um

1:02:16 ↗ the idea of getting the parking um

1:02:19 ↗ covered

1:02:20 ↗ and getting leaky trucks and cars and

1:02:23 ↗ stuff

1:02:24 ↗ um

1:02:25 ↗ in a bit in a way more contained way

1:02:28 ↗ than just um

1:02:29 ↗ sheet flowing off onto

1:02:31 ↗ the the wetland and water bodies and all

1:02:34 ↗ is great

1:02:35 ↗ um uh it will be interesting to uh

1:02:39 ↗ to be

1:02:40 ↗ down

1:02:41 ↗ um under the surface level there at the

1:02:44 ↗ given the the amount of water that's

1:02:46 ↗ flowing at that site

1:02:48 ↗ in the

1:02:49 ↗ water table issues

1:02:51 ↗ um

1:02:53 ↗ but i think that's um but

1:02:56 ↗ i i'm sure you know just in terms of

1:02:58 ↗ circulation

1:03:00 ↗ how

1:03:01 ↗ your your your your

1:03:03 ↗ traffic will work

1:03:05 ↗ that's of course not seen it would

1:03:07 ↗ typically we'd see driveways and that

1:03:09 ↗ kind of thing and yes we see some but

1:03:11 ↗ there's a lot of circulation that's

1:03:12 ↗ going to happen underneath the buildings

1:03:15 ↗ and

1:03:15 ↗ you'll want to figure that all out and

1:03:17 ↗ i'm sure you've got some experts to do

1:03:19 ↗ that but

1:03:20 ↗ it does seem to me a little more

1:03:22 ↗ complicated than

1:03:24 ↗ a surface parking lot she was saying

1:03:28 ↗ the exterior views i saw tonight on the

1:03:31 ↗ screen were

1:03:33 ↗ were better

1:03:34 ↗ than what um was in the announcement

1:03:37 ↗ that we got um

1:03:39 ↗ um it still needs some work um

1:03:42 ↗ significant but um um it's it's better

1:03:45 ↗ um

1:03:46 ↗ and um

1:03:48 ↗ that this this the body you're

1:03:50 ↗ you're working with is really good on

1:03:52 ↗ how things look so uh i'm convinced they

1:03:56 ↗ will deal significantly with

1:03:59 ↗ how how it looks

1:04:01 ↗ um the biggest

1:04:03 ↗ was probably the concern i have is is

1:04:05 ↗ the drainage um and

1:04:08 ↗ it's a stream but it's not a

1:04:10 ↗ legal stream but it's a stream that's

1:04:12 ↗ running on the south edge of the

1:04:14 ↗ property

1:04:15 ↗ and in 1987 the requirements

1:04:19 ↗ for the the development that's there now

1:04:21 ↗ done by watershed company was

1:04:23 ↗ significant

1:04:24 ↗ and

1:04:25 ↗ i hope we see more evergreen trees

1:04:28 ↗ planted um the alders and cottonwoods

1:04:31 ↗ and that kind of thing they're not

1:04:32 ↗ necessarily long-lived so on that

1:04:35 ↗ there's also um

1:04:37 ↗ issues with um

1:04:39 ↗ knot weed and um

1:04:41 ↗ blackberries and that kind of thing that

1:04:44 ↗ um need to be dealt with

1:04:45 ↗ but um

1:04:47 ↗ it's a very important corridor and it's

1:04:49 ↗ surprising to me when i explored

1:04:52 ↗ some of the um the

1:04:54 ↗ the watershed that have that of that

1:04:57 ↗ body of water is pretty amazing um you

1:05:00 ↗ go almost over to the skateboard park on

1:05:03 ↗ in tibbetts park before you get into

1:05:06 ↗ tibbetts drainage all those fields you

1:05:08 ↗ see maybe the most southern ones you

1:05:10 ↗ don't see from newport all drain into

1:05:13 ↗ this property so there's very

1:05:15 ↗ significant amount of water coming

1:05:16 ↗ through and the city of course is going

1:05:18 ↗ to be more interested in draining more

1:05:20 ↗ towards you because they're frustrated

1:05:23 ↗ with how wet their fields are so

1:05:26 ↗ that gets to be an issue

1:05:29 ↗ um

1:05:30 ↗ i'm i'm familiar with your site that you

1:05:33 ↗ did in newcastle from long time ago and

1:05:36 ↗ seeing the bricks down dumped over the

1:05:38 ↗ edge into the canyon of coal creek and

1:05:40 ↗ that kind of thing and i'm curious to

1:05:43 ↗ see how um how that site was treated uh

1:05:46 ↗ there where you had a very significant

1:05:48 ↗ salmon stream right there

1:05:50 ↗ you're up against um the comments i've

1:05:53 ↗ heard from city of bellevue and maybe

1:05:54 ↗ out of jealous jealousy because it was

1:05:57 ↗ done in newcastle rather than bellevue

1:05:59 ↗ have not been positive but um

1:06:01 ↗ i'll have to check that out myself

1:06:05 ↗ um

1:06:05 ↗ [Music]

1:06:06 ↗ there'll be

1:06:08 ↗ you know the

1:06:09 ↗ the water table and and really

1:06:12 ↗ protecting the

1:06:13 ↗ great amount of flow that comes through

1:06:15 ↗ this site

1:06:16 ↗ that goes into very important wetlands

1:06:18 ↗ and into important uh tributary creek of

1:06:21 ↗ um

1:06:22 ↗ into lake smamish is is a critical issue

1:06:26 ↗ here that um

1:06:27 ↗ needs to be carefully taken care of

1:06:29 ↗ thank you

1:06:34 ↗ mr bottles there any uh responses to mr

1:06:36 ↗ kappler's comments or questions

1:06:39 ↗ i know i think that he brought up all

1:06:41 ↗ the issues that we are aware of i i did

1:06:44 ↗ think i might just add

1:06:45 ↗ you know that we are actually uh i think

1:06:47 ↗ it was connie that mentioned that you

1:06:48 ↗ know the code may not be enough i think

1:06:51 ↗ we agree

1:06:52 ↗ um i think we are going to do additional

1:06:55 ↗ water quality treatment than what is

1:06:57 ↗ required by the code particularly from

1:06:59 ↗ the street frontages um

1:07:01 ↗ and and

1:07:03 ↗ again we're trying to respect the

1:07:05 ↗ drainage that others have mentioned is

1:07:07 ↗ not necessarily legally a stream but we

1:07:09 ↗ are treating it a lot like this stream

1:07:11 ↗ because

1:07:12 ↗ we're going to go beyond code on those

1:07:13 ↗ issues

1:07:19 ↗ that's all

1:07:22 ↗ all right i will move uh dave kepler

1:07:25 ↗ back to uh

1:07:27 ↗ being an attendee is there anyone else

1:07:31 ↗ who would like to speak

1:07:43 ↗ uh geraldine carey

1:07:46 ↗ i will

1:07:47 ↗ make you a panelist

1:07:52 ↗ anyway can you hear me

1:07:54 ↗ we can hear you um if you're able to

1:07:57 ↗ turn on your camera that would be

1:07:58 ↗ wonderful otherwise uh identify yourself

1:08:01 ↗ and please make your comments thank you

1:08:03 ↗ we're gonna head into my camera that's

1:08:05 ↗ all right not to worry okay

1:08:08 ↗ my name is geraldine carey and

1:08:10 ↗ like connie and dave kepler i've been a

1:08:12 ↗ long time resident of musaqua for 42

1:08:16 ↗ years

1:08:17 ↗ um the

1:08:18 ↗ flow of traffic uh i'm sorry the flow of

1:08:21 ↗ water that

1:08:22 ↗ he was talking about i was here i saw

1:08:26 ↗ sheep flow across tibbetts

1:08:28 ↗ uh valley park

1:08:30 ↗ and

1:08:31 ↗ um i mean it was it was amazing it

1:08:34 ↗ flooded and

1:08:35 ↗ the tributaries that they're talking

1:08:36 ↗ about were impacted and i'm sure in the

1:08:40 ↗ future they will be if we get a large

1:08:43 ↗ large amount of water so i think to

1:08:45 ↗ ignore the fact that

1:08:47 ↗ you know it isn't happening today it

1:08:49 ↗ will happen in future so i think the

1:08:52 ↗ city and the developer needs to be aware

1:08:55 ↗ that the potential

1:08:57 ↗ for

1:08:58 ↗ heavy flooding is a reality

1:09:02 ↗ i

1:09:04 ↗ this is

1:09:05 ↗ to my knowledge the first seven-story

1:09:07 ↗ building that is going to go in

1:09:09 ↗ in the central issaquah plan

1:09:11 ↗ and i am wondering

1:09:15 ↗ um as far as emergency vehicles and fire

1:09:18 ↗ trucks and

1:09:20 ↗ east side responders

1:09:22 ↗ are are these developments that are

1:09:25 ↗ going to have seven-story buildings

1:09:27 ↗ going to be

1:09:29 ↗ what's the word

1:09:31 ↗ are there

1:09:32 ↗ part of their development fees going to

1:09:34 ↗ carry

1:09:35 ↗ cover a um you know a ladder truck

1:09:38 ↗ you know just what's what's going to be

1:09:40 ↗ the emergency response to buildings that

1:09:42 ↗ are seven

1:09:44 ↗ stories high i mean i you know we have

1:09:46 ↗ like maybe three now

1:09:48 ↗ and as far as i know there's only one

1:09:51 ↗ ladder truck in all of um eastside

1:09:54 ↗ fire department so that's my concern i'd

1:09:57 ↗ like to see some sort of

1:09:59 ↗ requirement that these buildings

1:10:02 ↗ have a responsibility to take on the

1:10:04 ↗ majority of the financial

1:10:06 ↗ aspect of getting fire equipment to

1:10:09 ↗ cover

1:10:10 ↗ these tall buildings you know i have a

1:10:12 ↗ two-story building and

1:10:14 ↗ you know i it's it's easily accessible

1:10:17 ↗ so

1:10:18 ↗ i think you need to factor in

1:10:20 ↗ emergency vehicle

1:10:22 ↗ um expenses for the near future

1:10:26 ↗ that's that's all and i i'll feed my um

1:10:29 ↗ minutes back to connie

1:10:31 ↗ thank you

1:10:38 ↗ um

1:10:39 ↗ i i think i can speak a little bit

1:10:41 ↗ towards the emergency response we do

1:10:44 ↗ have

1:10:45 ↗ a ladder truck

1:10:46 ↗ east side fire and rescue

1:10:49 ↗ reviews

1:10:50 ↗ all the different stages of the plans

1:10:54 ↗ we partner with the city of bellevue

1:10:57 ↗ in case we need additional

1:11:01 ↗ emergency

1:11:03 ↗ trucks and facilities

1:11:06 ↗ the

1:11:07 ↗ rally hotel that was built a few years

1:11:10 ↗ ago is in fact i think eight stories

1:11:13 ↗ tall

1:11:14 ↗ so we do have other buildings that have

1:11:16 ↗ been uh in the costco office building i

1:11:19 ↗ think it's nine stories eight or nine

1:11:20 ↗ stories tall

1:11:22 ↗ so we do have several tall buildings uh

1:11:25 ↗ fire and rescue regularly

1:11:28 ↗ reviews considers and prepares for

1:11:31 ↗ either on their own or in partnership

1:11:33 ↗ with bellevue

1:11:35 ↗ how to respond and

1:11:36 ↗ cover emergencies

1:11:38 ↗ i don't know if there's other portions

1:11:40 ↗ for the applicant but

1:11:50 ↗ are there others

1:11:52 ↗ that would like to comment this evening

1:11:59 ↗ i will um

1:12:01 ↗ change

1:12:04 ↗ geraldine back to an attendee

1:12:07 ↗ um

1:12:08 ↗ mary lynch

1:12:10 ↗ as indicated she would like to speak

1:12:12 ↗ mary i'm moving you up

1:12:15 ↗ to being a panelist

1:12:21 ↗ you are unmuted and if you could give us

1:12:24 ↗ your name and turn on your camera if

1:12:25 ↗ you're able um i'm only going to

1:12:28 ↗ okay this is mary lynch and i'm only

1:12:30 ↗ going to turn it on briefly because i'm

1:12:32 ↗ in the older neighborhoods

1:12:34 ↗ and webex does not like our

1:12:37 ↗ communications so

1:12:39 ↗ turn it off before i talk

1:12:41 ↗ or i may get deleted

1:12:48 ↗ well it doesn't even want it okay there

1:12:50 ↗ we go okay but i'm gonna turn it off

1:12:52 ↗ because it it tends to cut me off

1:12:56 ↗ um

1:12:57 ↗ i also just want to build on um you know

1:12:59 ↗ say i'm

1:13:01 ↗ glad to hear some of the studies that

1:13:03 ↗ have already been done and the

1:13:04 ↗ considerations that have been done

1:13:06 ↗ i have seen the project up at bothell

1:13:08 ↗ and was amazed

1:13:10 ↗ at what was done up there i wish more

1:13:13 ↗ could have been done

1:13:14 ↗ especially with that stream

1:13:17 ↗ but i have walked it a number of times

1:13:19 ↗ up there

1:13:20 ↗ with what you're dealing with down here

1:13:23 ↗ the wetlands that are to your east

1:13:25 ↗ actually do have blue heron in there

1:13:27 ↗ from time to time we have pileated

1:13:30 ↗ woodpeckers that are on some of the

1:13:31 ↗ snags that are in there

1:13:33 ↗ um and we still need to to protect a

1:13:36 ↗ wildlife corridor down through that

1:13:39 ↗ portion of the town because we have

1:13:40 ↗ wildlife that come through the tibbetts

1:13:42 ↗ and over through that part of town so

1:13:45 ↗ you know i'd like to see that taken into

1:13:47 ↗ consideration i also have been here um

1:13:50 ↗ many years and i think it was in

1:13:52 ↗ december of 2000 or 99 i can't remember

1:13:56 ↗ when but i can remember when we couldn't

1:13:59 ↗ drive across disappoint except on i-90

1:14:02 ↗ and one of the deepest areas was right

1:14:05 ↗ there at that intersection

1:14:07 ↗ of squawk and

1:14:09 ↗ newport way

1:14:10 ↗ and as

1:14:11 ↗ uh i think it was a year ago um the last

1:14:15 ↗ two years that intersection again has

1:14:18 ↗ been flooded and what happens

1:14:20 ↗ is you especially if there's a snow melt

1:14:23 ↗ and that's what happened in that

1:14:24 ↗ december and again 99 or 2 000 i have to

1:14:28 ↗ go back and look it up

1:14:29 ↗ there was a snow melt that on top of

1:14:32 ↗ rain and that's what caused the floods

1:14:35 ↗ so with your bathtub in your parking lot

1:14:38 ↗ make sure the sides are high enough

1:14:41 ↗ because it has been

1:14:43 ↗ very deep there and the last time unless

1:14:45 ↗ within the last couple years the

1:14:47 ↗ intersection probably had close to a

1:14:50 ↗ foot and a half of water in the roadway

1:14:53 ↗ um cars were you know still able to get

1:14:55 ↗ through but they look like motorboats

1:14:59 ↗ another thing i would like to see is

1:15:02 ↗ um you know it affects the environmental

1:15:05 ↗ is solar um you know used also um

1:15:11 ↗ oh screens for the windows one of the

1:15:14 ↗ things i know i noticed with the recent

1:15:17 ↗ veil and all these apartments that have

1:15:19 ↗ gone in

1:15:20 ↗ most the developers have not put triple

1:15:22 ↗ pane windows in they have not put

1:15:24 ↗ insulation in

1:15:27 ↗ to help

1:15:29 ↗ eliminate

1:15:30 ↗ road noise and newport way is a heavily

1:15:33 ↗ traveled road

1:15:34 ↗ so from a

1:15:36 ↗ sound uh protection for the people going

1:15:39 ↗ in there you need to consider that as

1:15:41 ↗ part of your environmental

1:15:43 ↗ also with the climate change

1:15:46 ↗ that still will get a lot of sunlight

1:15:48 ↗ and most the developers are not putting

1:15:50 ↗ in air conditioning

1:15:52 ↗ or even allowing that to be part of you

1:15:56 ↗ know an air conditioning system to go in

1:15:58 ↗ with their apartment and i would ask

1:16:00 ↗ that you look at with a hotter climate

1:16:03 ↗ that you consider your residence during

1:16:06 ↗ those

1:16:06 ↗ 116 degree days and what's happening

1:16:10 ↗ there um with that

1:16:12 ↗ so

1:16:13 ↗ those are the main things as we go along

1:16:15 ↗ further in the projects i'll have more

1:16:16 ↗ to say but i was um happy to see a lot

1:16:20 ↗ of what's already been covered in this

1:16:22 ↗ meeting

1:16:23 ↗ thank you

1:16:29 ↗ mr lynch thank you for your comments

1:16:31 ↗ about flooding

1:16:32 ↗ we are going to air condition the

1:16:33 ↗ building we're going to use high

1:16:34 ↗ efficiency systems

1:16:36 ↗ the building also has a significant

1:16:38 ↗ amount of solar on the roof on-site

1:16:40 ↗ electrical generation

1:16:47 ↗ um

1:16:48 ↗ ms lynch i'm going to move you back to

1:16:51 ↗ being an attendee

1:16:54 ↗ at this time i do not see any other

1:17:00 ↗ participants who have asked to speak

1:17:03 ↗ um if you're interested in speaking

1:17:06 ↗ please

1:17:07 ↗ either raise your hand or make a comment

1:17:10 ↗ or um we can also give ms marsh

1:17:14 ↗ additional time

1:17:18 ↗ yeah i think if no one else is um

1:17:22 ↗ raising there to speak if miss marsh

1:17:24 ↗ would like to rejoin us for just a few

1:17:26 ↗ minutes and

1:17:27 ↗ sounds like she had a few questions

1:17:28 ↗ regarding uh additional questions

1:17:30 ↗ regarding the building design

1:17:33 ↗ uh

1:17:34 ↗ i believe you've been

1:17:36 ↗ meeting i'm here again

1:17:38 ↗ click like a bunny

1:17:40 ↗ so uh onto site

1:17:43 ↗ um

1:17:45 ↗ well i think the

1:17:47 ↗ entrance

1:17:49 ↗ for the pedestrian off of 12th

1:17:53 ↗ is interesting it goes over to newport

1:17:57 ↗ and drops people sort of nowhere you

1:18:00 ↗ aren't going to be able to get across

1:18:01 ↗ the street

1:18:03 ↗ and

1:18:04 ↗ you can't really get into tibbetts

1:18:06 ↗ valley park

1:18:08 ↗ so i don't see that that that is a great

1:18:12 ↗ connection

1:18:14 ↗ um i would like to see a straight

1:18:16 ↗ connection

1:18:18 ↗ not that i really understand how you are

1:18:20 ↗ interfacing with the hotel

1:18:23 ↗ because right now it looks like a blank

1:18:25 ↗ space between you and the hotel and

1:18:28 ↗ doesn't the hotel have rooms that are

1:18:30 ↗ going to be looking at you

1:18:33 ↗ so

1:18:34 ↗ i i'm not i would like to see more

1:18:36 ↗ attention to that interface and i would

1:18:38 ↗ like your mid block crossing to like go

1:18:41 ↗ through the middle of the block because

1:18:43 ↗ people like to go

1:18:46 ↗ through places instead of around and

1:18:47 ↗ right now your pedestrian circulation is

1:18:50 ↗ making people walk

1:18:52 ↗ further

1:18:53 ↗ um i'm very familiar with 12th having

1:18:55 ↗ had a store

1:18:57 ↗ off of 12 for 25 years

1:19:00 ↗ and that's a road that

1:19:03 ↗ is

1:19:04 ↗ is sort of difficult it has poor gaps in

1:19:08 ↗ it for ingress

1:19:10 ↗ and egress it also tends to have water

1:19:13 ↗ flowing down it during heavy

1:19:16 ↗ rain periods of time and so your

1:19:18 ↗ pedestrians are going to have an

1:19:20 ↗ interesting splashy time

1:19:23 ↗ of it so if you want that to be

1:19:27 ↗ uh engaging for pedestrians i think

1:19:30 ↗ you're going to have a little bit of of

1:19:32 ↗ work

1:19:33 ↗ to do there i also think you're going to

1:19:36 ↗ have to emphasize that this is a public

1:19:39 ↗ area this is the same conversation we've

1:19:41 ↗ had many times if that is a public space

1:19:45 ↗ then you are going to have to make it

1:19:47 ↗ look like a public space and right now

1:19:51 ↗ there's no sort of funneling in it looks

1:19:54 ↗ like a straight shot and that's not an

1:19:56 ↗ appealing thing so setting the buildings

1:19:59 ↗ back in some sort of an angle to allow

1:20:02 ↗ the idea that this is an exciting place

1:20:04 ↗ to walk into

1:20:06 ↗ i think would be

1:20:08 ↗ helpful and you could create a better

1:20:11 ↗ looking building because right now

1:20:13 ↗ you're it's so flipping rigid you don't

1:20:15 ↗ even want to look at it it doesn't have

1:20:18 ↗ rooftop modulation that it's like atlas

1:20:22 ↗ but painted brown to me

1:20:24 ↗ so if you take an example of the king

1:20:27 ↗ county library building on front street

1:20:30 ↗ i think that's what modern you know uh

1:20:32 ↗ pacific northwest modern means

1:20:36 ↗ to a lot of people around here uh the

1:20:39 ↗ maple street building

1:20:40 ↗ not not bad for what it is

1:20:43 ↗ uh so yeah totally not a fan of the the

1:20:47 ↗ building and things it needs a lot of

1:20:49 ↗ work one quick step back to

1:20:52 ↗ lighting

1:20:53 ↗ um

1:20:54 ↗ you don't want to brighten up the entire

1:20:56 ↗ light up the entire planet with with

1:20:59 ↗ everything

1:21:00 ↗ and then stepping back to drainage

1:21:04 ↗ what are you going to do with your

1:21:05 ↗ rooftop water it can be used to hydrate

1:21:09 ↗ the rest of things rather than putting

1:21:12 ↗ it in say a sanitary sewer i didn't hear

1:21:15 ↗ maybe i saw a little thing about rooftop

1:21:17 ↗ drainage

1:21:18 ↗ so um access to tibbetts valley park

1:21:22 ↗ because i can't see where you're at

1:21:24 ↗ letting your people have any area where

1:21:26 ↗ they are actually doing a lot of

1:21:28 ↗ uh

1:21:29 ↗ respite style play it all looks very

1:21:31 ↗ urban

1:21:33 ↗ so it looks like you're going to be

1:21:34 ↗ using tibbetts valley park unless you've

1:21:36 ↗ got something showing that is

1:21:40 ↗ i i can't see maybe you do like an

1:21:42 ↗ atrium in your building so uh i'm going

1:21:45 ↗ to stop with that because i think i've

1:21:46 ↗ now done two and a half more minutes but

1:21:50 ↗ i'm sure the development commission will

1:21:52 ↗ ask dynamite questions thank you

1:22:01 ↗ i'm moving miss marsh back to being an

1:22:04 ↗ attendee

1:22:07 ↗ and

1:22:08 ↗ um we did receive a question from the

1:22:12 ↗ public

1:22:14 ↗ uh asking about the bike facilities that

1:22:18 ↗ this development will have

1:22:21 ↗ and um

1:22:23 ↗ relative

1:22:27 ↗ to parking stalls i think

1:22:30 ↗ ask about the bike facilities this

1:22:32 ↗ development will contain

1:22:34 ↗ parking stalls etc

1:22:39 ↗ well we'll for sure have bike rooms and

1:22:41 ↗ and bike repair stations i

1:22:43 ↗ i don't think we've gotten to that level

1:22:44 ↗ of the design to be honest um other than

1:22:48 ↗ reserve space for them in the building

1:22:50 ↗ so there's secure bike storage for sure

1:22:53 ↗ not enough for me i have i think seven

1:22:54 ↗ bites or nine i can't remember changes

1:23:03 ↗ that

1:23:04 ↗ appears to be the last of the public

1:23:06 ↗ comment

1:23:08 ↗ right and thanks to the public who

1:23:10 ↗ participated in that discussion i think

1:23:12 ↗ that was

1:23:13 ↗ very helpful for the applicant the city

1:23:15 ↗ and certainly the commission so this is

1:23:18 ↗ an opportunity where the commissioners

1:23:19 ↗ get have an opportunity to ask questions

1:23:21 ↗ and provide input to avalon on their

1:23:24 ↗ proposal

1:23:25 ↗ this is our typical

1:23:28 ↗ community conference

1:23:30 ↗ meeting style so

1:23:33 ↗ any questions or comments we can just

1:23:36 ↗ handle those

1:23:37 ↗ um

1:23:38 ↗ whoever's ready to speak up can

1:23:41 ↗ add your

1:23:42 ↗ uh either comment or question into the

1:23:44 ↗ just type the word comment or question

1:23:46 ↗ into the chat to identify yourself and

1:23:49 ↗ then we can move on from there

1:23:51 ↗ anybody like to

1:23:53 ↗ ask a question or have a comment about

1:23:54 ↗ the project

1:24:04 ↗ uh commissioner dillon has a question

1:24:07 ↗ commissioner dillon

1:24:08 ↗ thank you

1:24:09 ↗ um patty dillon with the development

1:24:11 ↗ commission

1:24:12 ↗ i think i heard you say that you're

1:24:14 ↗ you're still working on storm water and

1:24:17 ↗ and flow control for this site

1:24:20 ↗ um from what i understand the footprint

1:24:23 ↗ of of the building

1:24:26 ↗ and and plaza is

1:24:28 ↗ is essentially taking up the same

1:24:30 ↗ impervious surface that's there now

1:24:33 ↗ and then you're using the space under

1:24:35 ↗ that for for parking and circulation

1:24:38 ↗ um wondering what thoughts you have

1:24:41 ↗ that that site is going to require a

1:24:44 ↗ fair amount of storage volume

1:24:47 ↗ um in order to meet flow control

1:24:49 ↗ standards and i'm curious what thoughts

1:24:51 ↗ you have on on where that's going to go

1:24:56 ↗ um i don't know that our simple

1:24:57 ↗ engineers on the

1:25:00 ↗ call today well i know they're not

1:25:01 ↗ they're out of town

1:25:03 ↗ uh

1:25:05 ↗ we do have room in the garage for

1:25:07 ↗ tanks and and

1:25:09 ↗ detention which is what we often do in

1:25:11 ↗ these projects

1:25:12 ↗ uh you know as i said i think we're

1:25:13 ↗ going to do some floor control and

1:25:15 ↗ ponding on the roofs which is what we've

1:25:18 ↗ been doing in seattle a lot recently so

1:25:20 ↗ be a combination of those type of

1:25:22 ↗ facilities

1:25:24 ↗ i think there will be some planters

1:25:25 ↗ around the site too um and in the plaza

1:25:28 ↗ that will also act as some of that

1:25:30 ↗ detention

1:25:32 ↗ i don't know if we will at bothell we've

1:25:34 ↗ done a lot and queen anne i did a lot of

1:25:36 ↗ uh stormwater detention for irrigation

1:25:39 ↗ there's some permitting issues with that

1:25:40 ↗ but i don't know if we'll do that on the

1:25:42 ↗ site or not at this time but we

1:25:43 ↗ certainly will be looking at it

1:25:49 ↗ commission shore has a

1:25:52 ↗ question hi

1:25:54 ↗ um brook shore and

1:25:57 ↗ i wasn't clear on what is going to be

1:25:59 ↗ kept along newport on the south side of

1:26:01 ↗ the property what will that look like

1:26:04 ↗ um are the same features still there

1:26:07 ↗ that are there right now

1:26:09 ↗ there's a there's a trail that was in

1:26:11 ↗ the 1987

1:26:12 ↗ wetland

1:26:13 ↗ watershed company planned um

1:26:16 ↗ we're going to

1:26:17 ↗ not try to restore that trail we're

1:26:20 ↗ going to take it out if

1:26:22 ↗ i can't remember you know scott maybe we

1:26:23 ↗ could answer that whether that's

1:26:24 ↗ considered impervious or pervious

1:26:25 ↗ surface you know it's a high density

1:26:27 ↗ gravel so we'll take that out

1:26:30 ↗ and move the trail further away from the

1:26:32 ↗ the conveyance the stormwater conveyance

1:26:35 ↗ but we are going to leave pedestrian

1:26:37 ↗ access along that as

1:26:39 ↗ part of our

1:26:40 ↗ through block connection although it's

1:26:41 ↗ not through the building it is through

1:26:43 ↗ the block

1:26:44 ↗ and but otherwise other than you know

1:26:47 ↗ removing some invasive species and i

1:26:50 ↗ think it was david actually mentioned

1:26:52 ↗ you know maybe trying to replace some of

1:26:53 ↗ the alders and willows with evergreens

1:26:55 ↗ which is what would happen over a long

1:26:56 ↗ period of time

1:26:58 ↗ in a natural environment

1:26:59 ↗ it would remain pretty much similar to

1:27:01 ↗ what's there now

1:27:03 ↗ with some minor changes to planting

1:27:05 ↗ removal invasive species and removal of

1:27:08 ↗ that 1987 trail further away from the

1:27:10 ↗ stream

1:27:11 ↗ okay i i mormon like the stream habitat

1:27:15 ↗ features like will the alignment stay

1:27:17 ↗ the same yeah the alignment will stay

1:27:19 ↗ the same i think that part was i maybe

1:27:21 ↗ cut you off i'm sorry why don't you

1:27:22 ↗ finish your question oh yeah just like

1:27:24 ↗ the habitat features like root wads

1:27:26 ↗ pools

1:27:27 ↗ i'm assuming a lot of that's gone since

1:27:29 ↗ 1986 but whatever's there will remain it

1:27:32 ↗ will in fact and i'm going to ask our

1:27:34 ↗ consultants to take a look at that you

1:27:35 ↗ know they had some um

1:27:37 ↗ uh funneling features with some uh

1:27:39 ↗ buried and spiked wood they had some uh

1:27:41 ↗ root wallets in there

1:27:43 ↗ and we're gonna take a look at that see

1:27:46 ↗ you know you always want to be careful

1:27:47 ↗ if you're touching the water

1:27:50 ↗ um but we will take a look and see if

1:27:52 ↗ there's any restoration of those

1:27:53 ↗ features from the 80s that should be

1:27:56 ↗ fixed up or replaced or enhanced

1:28:00 ↗ thank you

1:28:01 ↗ and is there anyone at the city or

1:28:03 ↗ on the call who knows

1:28:05 ↗ why that

1:28:07 ↗ was constructed or

1:28:11 ↗ that

1:28:13 ↗ tributary to the tributary

1:28:15 ↗ why was that

1:28:17 ↗ you know built like a habitat at the

1:28:19 ↗ time

1:28:20 ↗ does anyone know

1:28:22 ↗ holly are you familiar with that

1:28:25 ↗ so the the best information i can

1:28:26 ↗ provide for you is from the development

1:28:29 ↗ commission minutes back when the

1:28:31 ↗ original development was done

1:28:34 ↗ the commissioners at that time believed

1:28:36 ↗ that it was

1:28:37 ↗ [Music]

1:28:38 ↗ seemed to be a stream and had a lot of

1:28:41 ↗ habitat qualities and wanted it to be

1:28:43 ↗ preserved that was before

1:28:46 ↗ we had an environmental

1:28:49 ↗ portion to the

1:28:50 ↗ municipal code

1:28:53 ↗ so they

1:28:54 ↗ required that there be a 60-foot

1:28:59 ↗ vegetated

1:29:01 ↗ section left at the

1:29:04 ↗ intersection portion

1:29:06 ↗ and then as it moves further

1:29:08 ↗ southeast it goes up to 80 feet

1:29:12 ↗ and that was what they thought was

1:29:14 ↗ appropriate protection at that time

1:29:17 ↗ and that's 60 and 80 feet from newport

1:29:19 ↗ why if i remember correctly

1:29:22 ↗ is that correct the width was 60 feet at

1:29:25 ↗ newport and 12th and as you move

1:29:28 ↗ south east it becomes 80 feet

1:29:32 ↗ yeah from from the newport right away

1:29:33 ↗ though not from the stream

1:29:35 ↗ correct yes correct just to clarify that

1:29:39 ↗ because we're exceeding that

1:29:41 ↗ when midfield from newport why

1:29:44 ↗ um

1:29:45 ↗ do you know when the cascade project was

1:29:47 ↗ built

1:29:49 ↗ i don't know when cascade the cascade is

1:29:52 ↗ business park i'm not sure when that

1:29:53 ↗ one's but yeah just from the aerials or

1:29:55 ↗ the pictures we were looking at earlier

1:29:56 ↗ it appeared that they were not

1:29:58 ↗ that they did not build in that area but

1:30:01 ↗ i don't know why so

1:30:08 ↗ any additional questions commissioner

1:30:10 ↗ sure

1:30:12 ↗ yeah but i can wait a bit okay uh

1:30:14 ↗ commissioner shulkin

1:30:17 ↗ uh thank you chair uh good evening

1:30:19 ↗ everybody um question for the

1:30:21 ↗ the applicant well i guess a few

1:30:24 ↗ questions

1:30:25 ↗ uh could you

1:30:26 ↗ walk us through again the circulation on

1:30:29 ↗ the south side of newport way

1:30:32 ↗ um you know the reason i ask is you know

1:30:34 ↗ right now my understanding is there's

1:30:36 ↗ currently a bike lane um that's sharing

1:30:38 ↗ the shoulder uh newport way so i'm

1:30:41 ↗ curious how that connects up

1:30:43 ↗ to your plan um i see

1:30:46 ↗ what looks like a narrow gravel path

1:30:48 ↗ behind a strip of a landscape buffer

1:30:51 ↗ does it connect up there

1:30:53 ↗ uh also

1:30:55 ↗ the bridge connection

1:30:58 ↗ as it enters the courtyard there is that

1:31:01 ↗ bridge going over a gravel path so that

1:31:04 ↗ grab that larger gravel path dipping

1:31:06 ↗ down

1:31:07 ↗ um

1:31:08 ↗ because i'm seeing some of that graphic

1:31:10 ↗ overlap there

1:31:12 ↗ and then

1:31:13 ↗ uh

1:31:14 ↗ question number three is that on the

1:31:17 ↗ northeast of the site the northeast

1:31:19 ↗ corner of the site is that another uh

1:31:22 ↗ vehicle access point for the residents

1:31:24 ↗ so are they actually accessing through

1:31:27 ↗ um

1:31:28 ↗ past the the hotel uh entrance or

1:31:31 ↗ actually into the hotel entrance to get

1:31:32 ↗ to the site so are there two access

1:31:34 ↗ points on the site the northeast and the

1:31:36 ↗ northwest for uh

1:31:39 ↗ for resident vehicles

1:31:42 ↗ all right let's see if i can take those

1:31:44 ↗ first off um we have rights to an

1:31:47 ↗ easement between the office building and

1:31:48 ↗ the hotel so yes there will be access

1:31:50 ↗ from both maple and from 12th to to the

1:31:53 ↗ project

1:31:54 ↗ um and then there's

1:31:55 ↗ three or four

1:31:57 ↗ entries into the

1:31:58 ↗ structured parking

1:32:00 ↗ the the the trail created from the south

1:32:05 ↗ from newport

1:32:06 ↗ through to the through block connector

1:32:07 ↗ and to the trail on the south side of

1:32:09 ↗ our property

1:32:11 ↗ are all media at the same grade you know

1:32:13 ↗ so they'll be crossing that grade and

1:32:14 ↗ the grade is actually fairly flat into

1:32:16 ↗ the uh through black connector at that

1:32:18 ↗ point

1:32:19 ↗ on newport way itself there is a

1:32:23 ↗ shoulder which i don't know if it's a

1:32:24 ↗ formal bike lane but it it functions as

1:32:27 ↗ a bike lane

1:32:28 ↗ and as per the the

1:32:31 ↗ improvement guidelines of the city we

1:32:33 ↗ will be providing i believe a bike lane

1:32:35 ↗ a curb and a sidewalk along there um all

1:32:38 ↗ the way up to 12.

1:32:40 ↗ we would extend that to the extent of

1:32:43 ↗ our property to the east and then it

1:32:45 ↗ would transition back to its existing uh

1:32:47 ↗ condition with a gravel shoulder and

1:32:49 ↗ then a bike lane in the

1:32:52 ↗ traffic lane

1:32:53 ↗ does that answer your questions

1:32:55 ↗ um so is the bike lane

1:32:58 ↗ that you're adding is that that narrow

1:32:59 ↗ gravel path behind those

1:33:01 ↗ no no the bike lane is on newport

1:33:04 ↗ way

1:33:06 ↗ so the the important way you'll have the

1:33:08 ↗ traffic lane

1:33:09 ↗ and a bike lane and i can't remember the

1:33:11 ↗ bike lanes are separated by a curb or

1:33:13 ↗ not in that area area but you had a bike

1:33:15 ↗ lane then you'd have a sidewalk curve in

1:33:17 ↗ sidewalk

1:33:18 ↗ okay not there now

1:33:22 ↗ yeah i think for the future it would

1:33:24 ↗ definitely be helpful to

1:33:26 ↗ um

1:33:28 ↗ you know and i understand this is

1:33:29 ↗ further in development really see a site

1:33:31 ↗ section um

1:33:33 ↗ you know through that street

1:33:35 ↗ then that bisects the the courtyard

1:33:38 ↗ entry as well into the development

1:33:39 ↗ um

1:33:41 ↗ you know because i i think it's

1:33:42 ↗ important to create some kind of

1:33:43 ↗ pedestrian experience there that way

1:33:46 ↗ because even when i went to google

1:33:47 ↗ street right now i saw somebody walking

1:33:49 ↗ and running

1:33:50 ↗ up on the shoulder there so um you know

1:33:53 ↗ we want to promote that activity we want

1:33:54 ↗ to get people into that development

1:33:56 ↗ because i assume it's a pass-through

1:33:58 ↗ right you want people to go through the

1:33:59 ↗ retail spaces that are there along the

1:34:02 ↗ ground level um yes and i'm just not

1:34:05 ↗ seeing that

1:34:06 ↗ that activation right now and you know

1:34:08 ↗ it could be achieved with you know a

1:34:10 ↗ small gateway of some sorts you know

1:34:12 ↗ maybe it's a piece of artwork

1:34:14 ↗ um

1:34:15 ↗ because right now it just seems so

1:34:17 ↗ hidden um you know i understand that

1:34:19 ↗ setback and i think that's great i mean

1:34:21 ↗ you know to bring that mass and scale in

1:34:23 ↗ bulk set it back from newport way but

1:34:26 ↗ but i think still promoting that

1:34:27 ↗ connection is great

1:34:29 ↗ uh actually while i was looking at the

1:34:31 ↗ courtyard i see an entry into the

1:34:33 ↗ southwest building

1:34:34 ↗ um

1:34:36 ↗ how do you get to that entry

1:34:38 ↗ is there a cut through in the landscape

1:34:39 ↗ that the plan does not show

1:34:42 ↗ uh i'd have to look at the plan but yes

1:34:44 ↗ i mean there'd be there'd be there'd be

1:34:46 ↗ a

1:34:48 ↗ cut through in a pathway

1:34:50 ↗ okay

1:34:51 ↗ and and the retail

1:34:52 ↗ spaces are going to spill out into that

1:34:54 ↗ courtyard too to try to help draw people

1:34:56 ↗ into that

1:34:57 ↗ you know you could see some seating and

1:35:00 ↗ tables et cetera open up

1:35:02 ↗ both the north building and the self

1:35:04 ↗ buildings

1:35:05 ↗ you know retail and community spaces

1:35:08 ↗ okay and

1:35:10 ↗ another question just came up in terms

1:35:12 ↗ of service vehicle access is that all

1:35:14 ↗ done along the north the north drive

1:35:16 ↗ lane is or their service going to be at

1:35:20 ↗ the southwest corner at all or that's

1:35:22 ↗ strictly just fire lane that's strictly

1:35:24 ↗ fire lane at the southwest corner it's

1:35:25 ↗ actually going to come through the east

1:35:27 ↗ off of maple street i believe this one

1:35:29 ↗ to the north and we have some loading

1:35:31 ↗ zones and trash and that type of thing

1:35:34 ↗ on the east end of the building

1:35:36 ↗ um

1:35:37 ↗ you know away from that the interface

1:35:39 ↗ between the hotel and the property of

1:35:40 ↗ course we have a lot of apartments and

1:35:42 ↗ residents looking out that way so we've

1:35:45 ↗ worked on you know setting back the

1:35:46 ↗ building we have some modulation that

1:35:48 ↗ we're working on in that area so that

1:35:50 ↗ it's not looking too directly at each

1:35:52 ↗ other unfortunately the hotel wants to

1:35:54 ↗ get above their garage level also steps

1:35:57 ↗ back

1:35:58 ↗ so we're trying to make that

1:36:00 ↗ north

1:36:01 ↗ let me call it through block i think

1:36:02 ↗ someone else called it an alley whatever

1:36:04 ↗ it is connection between

1:36:06 ↗ 12th and east and we're trying to make

1:36:08 ↗ that a comfortable and pleasant place

1:36:10 ↗ with an appropriate amount of

1:36:13 ↗ room for lighting here for both the

1:36:14 ↗ hotel and our own residents future

1:36:16 ↗ residents okay

1:36:17 ↗ thanks derek that's all i had for now

1:36:19 ↗ okay

1:36:22 ↗ uh commissioner sanford

1:36:24 ↗ hi thanks richard sanford development

1:36:26 ↗ commission uh one comment and one

1:36:29 ↗ question on vehicle access it looks like

1:36:32 ↗ most of the access uh via vehicle for

1:36:34 ↗ the property

1:36:35 ↗ is off twelve

1:36:37 ↗ and um

1:36:38 ↗ i was looking at the intersection uh

1:36:41 ↗ around 12th and newport and it looks

1:36:43 ↗ like there's a garage entrance right

1:36:45 ↗ there is that right

1:36:47 ↗ uh no that's just a fire line there that

1:36:50 ↗ that's not mean to have any traffic kind

1:36:52 ↗ of and get suffering in case of a fire

1:36:55 ↗ okay i thought i saw in the plan so

1:36:57 ↗ there was an entrance to the garage down

1:36:59 ↗ in that corner of the building pretty

1:37:01 ↗ close to the newport intersection no

1:37:04 ↗ no that again that's just a fire line

1:37:06 ↗ okay

1:37:07 ↗ okay good and then uh you may have

1:37:09 ↗ answered this already um

1:37:12 ↗ but regarding

1:37:14 ↗ delivery

1:37:15 ↗ to residents in the building not

1:37:17 ↗ necessarily just moving vans but amazon

1:37:20 ↗ delivery vehicles um where would that

1:37:22 ↗ happen we'd like them not probably to

1:37:24 ↗ pile up on 12th avenue

1:37:27 ↗ yeah i think that you know every year we

1:37:29 ↗ make our package rooms larger and

1:37:31 ↗ add more package lockers and are still

1:37:32 ↗ overwhelmed we are actually and you'll

1:37:35 ↗ see this in our next iteration of the

1:37:36 ↗ design

1:37:37 ↗ when you come in off of 12

1:37:40 ↗ there'll be a residential lobby we're

1:37:41 ↗ probably going to open up a bay in that

1:37:44 ↗ very northwest corner of the building so

1:37:46 ↗ you can see through

1:37:47 ↗ and we're going to put a porcuer off of

1:37:49 ↗ that connection between the hotel

1:37:51 ↗ and

1:37:52 ↗ the building with significant areas for

1:37:56 ↗ loading of ubers and lifts and amazon

1:37:59 ↗ vans and ups fans etc

1:38:02 ↗ and that will both come off of that

1:38:03 ↗ connector between the hotel and our

1:38:05 ↗ building on the first floor

1:38:07 ↗ because we have the height in there as i

1:38:10 ↗ mentioned is 14 feet

1:38:11 ↗ we can accommodate quite large trucks

1:38:13 ↗ and vans inside the structure

1:38:16 ↗ off of the street in that area and that

1:38:19 ↗ will have package rooms et cetera in

1:38:20 ↗ that area so that's the goal

1:38:22 ↗ i'm not going to guarantee that drivers

1:38:24 ↗ aren't going to park out on 12 but we're

1:38:26 ↗ doing our best to give them somewhere to

1:38:28 ↗ go

1:38:28 ↗ yeah okay great i look forward to seeing

1:38:31 ↗ that thing

1:38:35 ↗ are there other questions from

1:38:37 ↗ commissioners or comments

1:38:42 ↗ uh commissioner price

1:38:44 ↗ all right thank you this is commissioner

1:38:46 ↗ kevin price

1:38:48 ↗ um so i keep i keep coming back to this

1:38:52 ↗ southwest corner

1:38:53 ↗ you know so you you have this corner

1:38:55 ↗ site

1:38:56 ↗ and and you have a transition zone

1:38:59 ↗ you're transitioning to

1:39:01 ↗ a single family residential zone

1:39:03 ↗ you're transitioning to a park

1:39:06 ↗ right on the corner

1:39:08 ↗ and

1:39:09 ↗ it seems like a missed opportunity and

1:39:12 ↗ or

1:39:13 ↗ potentially something that should really

1:39:15 ↗ needs to be addressed at the corner site

1:39:18 ↗ to to further engage

1:39:20 ↗ that corner uh and activate that corner

1:39:23 ↗ in some fashion with additional retail

1:39:25 ↗ plaza

1:39:26 ↗ you know i think in departure three

1:39:28 ↗ you're asking for

1:39:30 ↗ additional setback there

1:39:32 ↗ and and is that solely for the function

1:39:34 ↗ of the fire accent and

1:39:36 ↗ um i just

1:39:38 ↗ feel both aesthetically uh from a from a

1:39:41 ↗ retail perspective from a

1:39:43 ↗ you know just general gateway as you're

1:39:46 ↗ traveling

1:39:47 ↗ east on a newport

1:39:50 ↗ to to understand that you're coming on

1:39:51 ↗ this building and you're engaging this

1:39:53 ↗ corner and potentially how does that

1:39:55 ↗ that plaza then even turn the corner and

1:39:57 ↗ travel down 12 to a degree

1:40:00 ↗ giving way to

1:40:01 ↗ what i think you're you're saying is a

1:40:03 ↗ through block passage

1:40:04 ↗ between the hotel and the building so

1:40:07 ↗ i'm just feeling like you you have this

1:40:08 ↗ really strong edge along 12 which is

1:40:11 ↗ great but then as it gets to the corner

1:40:13 ↗ that character doesn't seem to change

1:40:15 ↗ and and i'm curious if you explore that

1:40:19 ↗ and what possibilities you see there you

1:40:22 ↗ know you have a park

1:40:23 ↗ and how often

1:40:25 ↗ do you have a site directly adjacent to

1:40:28 ↗ a park and so i just wonder especially

1:40:30 ↗ as a residential building and as a mixed

1:40:33 ↗ use building shouldn't shouldn't there

1:40:34 ↗ be a more deliberate

1:40:38 ↗ gesture to that open space and to the

1:40:41 ↗ residential neighborhood

1:40:45 ↗ i think that we can do a better job with

1:40:47 ↗ the

1:40:48 ↗ with the landscaping and what might

1:40:50 ↗ become a plaza that also doubles as a

1:40:52 ↗ fire lane in that location i agree with

1:40:54 ↗ those comments

1:40:56 ↗ i think what we could probably do to

1:40:58 ↗ help clarify the drawings that show

1:41:00 ↗ the topography of the stormwater

1:41:03 ↗ conveyance and where that water enters

1:41:05 ↗ the site in that corner and that we you

1:41:08 ↗ know the reason we don't have a building

1:41:09 ↗ there is that we're trying to give

1:41:11 ↗ relief and buffer and set back to the

1:41:14 ↗ stormwater ditch is the short answer but

1:41:17 ↗ i do think that we can do more and

1:41:19 ↗ shouldn't be more on um

1:41:21 ↗ plaza spill-out area

1:41:23 ↗ and and so forth on the

1:41:25 ↗ actual corner of the 12.

1:41:27 ↗ the the ditch actually i'm looking at

1:41:29 ↗ the plans here

1:41:31 ↗ comes out

1:41:33 ↗ from the coverts underneath newport

1:41:36 ↗ i'm just going to guess a little bit

1:41:37 ↗ maybe

1:41:38 ↗ 65 70 feet from the corner

1:41:40 ↗ so

1:41:42 ↗ working with all those competing

1:41:44 ↗ interests we'll work on some more

1:41:48 ↗ good and and just could you give me a

1:41:51 ↗ little more understanding of what is

1:41:52 ↗ occurring is there truly retail at that

1:41:54 ↗ level on that corner it was it was

1:41:56 ↗ unclear to me a little bit yes yes that

1:41:58 ↗ entire area is commercial space um the

1:42:01 ↗ entire

1:42:02 ↗ uh

1:42:03 ↗ 12 facing uh

1:42:06 ↗ area of the south of our buildings is

1:42:08 ↗ commercial on the north 12th avenue it's

1:42:11 ↗ all residential lobby and and our

1:42:14 ↗ leasing offices etc which are also

1:42:16 ↗ activated because they are staffed and

1:42:18 ↗ and so forth

1:42:20 ↗ okay

1:42:22 ↗ well thank you for your comments i i

1:42:24 ↗ really encourage you to think about that

1:42:26 ↗ corner because i think you do such a

1:42:28 ↗ good job of the two block passages and

1:42:30 ↗ and that quality seems to be lost in a

1:42:33 ↗ really obvious place

1:42:34 ↗ where

1:42:35 ↗ you know say you never walk by this

1:42:37 ↗ building you never walk through it and

1:42:40 ↗ you only drive by it that's that's your

1:42:42 ↗ moment right there to to have success

1:42:45 ↗ and

1:42:46 ↗ to have this building

1:42:48 ↗ um

1:42:48 ↗ you know be be a good citizen visually

1:42:52 ↗ and not fall under the same scrutiny as

1:42:55 ↗ some of the other projects

1:42:57 ↗ so

1:42:58 ↗ thank you

1:42:59 ↗ thank you

1:43:02 ↗ uh commissioner dylan has additional

1:43:05 ↗ questions

1:43:07 ↗ yes thanks patty dillon again um

1:43:11 ↗ are you planning will will the parking

1:43:14 ↗ underneath also account for

1:43:18 ↗ for parking for the retail space because

1:43:20 ↗ i think the the presence of retail and

1:43:23 ↗ particularly opportunities for

1:43:25 ↗ cafes or coffee shops would be a great

1:43:28 ↗ amenity for for the surrounding

1:43:29 ↗ neighborhoods and and the residents on

1:43:32 ↗ squat mountain as well there's not

1:43:34 ↗ anything closer

1:43:35 ↗ um there and so i you know i think

1:43:37 ↗ you've put a lot of effort into

1:43:40 ↗ um

1:43:41 ↗ into the pedestrian passageways but

1:43:44 ↗ where is there going to be

1:43:46 ↗ parking to accommodate people coming

1:43:48 ↗ from from possibly a little further away

1:43:50 ↗ or out on a rainy day sure

1:43:53 ↗ um we we actually have uh an additional

1:43:56 ↗ level of parking

1:43:57 ↗ at grade along the north side of the

1:43:59 ↗ site nearing the hotel parking on the

1:44:02 ↗ other side of that three block connector

1:44:04 ↗ so we envisioned people being able to

1:44:06 ↗ turn in off of 12. and immediately where

1:44:08 ↗ i mentioned the the loading port for

1:44:10 ↗ sure behind that i think we have

1:44:12 ↗ 40 or 60 stalls at the level of that

1:44:16 ↗ plaza and we intend to have a passageway

1:44:18 ↗ directly from that parking out into

1:44:20 ↗ those

1:44:21 ↗ commercial spaces which we can show in

1:44:23 ↗ more detail when we come in for a

1:44:25 ↗ complete application but the goal is to

1:44:27 ↗ really allow people to have good parking

1:44:30 ↗ to get to those spaces and we know very

1:44:32 ↗ well that

1:44:33 ↗ retail does not perform well when it's

1:44:36 ↗ complicated or you have to drive around

1:44:38 ↗ corners and down streets and alleys and

1:44:40 ↗ really hunt for that parking so we're

1:44:42 ↗ trying to make it front and center

1:44:44 ↗ short-term parking at the same grade

1:44:46 ↗ where there will be a passage on to the

1:44:48 ↗ uh plaza coin where you can see it's out

1:44:50 ↗ to where they're coming

1:44:52 ↗ thanks

1:44:53 ↗ derek if you need me to pull open any um

1:44:55 ↗ site plans i have them available just

1:44:57 ↗ let me know

1:44:58 ↗ if you happen to have that floor you can

1:44:59 ↗ try to show it

1:45:00 ↗ that detail

1:45:10 ↗ lucy if you can give me control i can at

1:45:11 ↗ least give the site plan i don't have

1:45:13 ↗ that floor available but i can show on a

1:45:14 ↗ site plan where the entrance is

1:45:18 ↗ carl i've made you a presenter thank you

1:45:20 ↗ thank you

1:45:23 ↗ you have no idea what sort of craziness

1:45:25 ↗ he may have unleashed

1:45:26 ↗ [Laughter]

1:45:29 ↗ correct so the entrance to the

1:45:31 ↗ effectively this area here

1:45:34 ↗ will become our at-grade parking

1:45:36 ↗ and it is primarily accessed off of 12th

1:45:38 ↗ there

1:45:40 ↗ we have better floor plans to show it

1:45:42 ↗ upon application and it's screened etc

1:45:44 ↗ so you won't see it but if you're in

1:45:46 ↗ there parking you'll be able to see out

1:45:48 ↗ into the plaza and get it there

1:45:52 ↗ great thank you

1:45:57 ↗ commissioner morgan you know questions

1:45:59 ↗ um

1:46:00 ↗ thank you chair brennan

1:46:02 ↗ um

1:46:03 ↗ one question first i guess maybe for the

1:46:05 ↗ city with regard to newport way i think

1:46:07 ↗ i read that

1:46:08 ↗ that um the project had to be held back

1:46:10 ↗ from newport way because potential

1:46:12 ↗ changes expansion so forth do we know

1:46:14 ↗ anything about what's planned for

1:46:17 ↗ newport way

1:46:18 ↗ in the near to midterm future

1:46:22 ↗ uh i'll speak

1:46:24 ↗ hear me sorry yeah excellent thank you

1:46:27 ↗ sure no problem so i'll speak to that a

1:46:28 ↗ little bit um obviously we haven't done

1:46:31 ↗ a full

1:46:32 ↗ review of what they're proposing and we

1:46:35 ↗ will do that at time of submittal

1:46:37 ↗ however that newport way is

1:46:40 ↗ a portion of the mountain to sound

1:46:44 ↗ greenwell greenway trail

1:46:47 ↗ and so there will be some design

1:46:49 ↗ elements that will be required that have

1:46:51 ↗ to comply with the master mobility plan

1:46:54 ↗ and that trail plan

1:46:57 ↗ which will be

1:46:58 ↗ coordinated with parks and

1:47:00 ↗ transportation when an applicant submits

1:47:04 ↗ okay and and all of that would take

1:47:06 ↗ place

1:47:07 ↗ outside of this parcel then

1:47:11 ↗ i guess in the right-of-way the

1:47:12 ↗ right-of-way on newport correct

1:47:15 ↗ right okay

1:47:17 ↗ thank you um is that possible to pull up

1:47:19 ↗ the uh the building elevations again

1:47:24 ↗ i have them give me one moment

1:47:26 ↗ thank you carl

1:47:37 ↗ cetera i'm not sure i totally understood

1:47:39 ↗ that it's part of the

1:47:41 ↗ mountain to sound greenway that's

1:47:42 ↗ fantastic uh because i remember going to

1:47:44 ↗ one of the first meetings back in the

1:47:46 ↗ 90s on that and i'm just amazed how far

1:47:48 ↗ that program has come

1:47:51 ↗ over the years you know with the

1:47:52 ↗ refurbishment of the trestles and

1:47:54 ↗ so far

1:47:56 ↗ we will definitely

1:47:58 ↗ integrate with that as best we can

1:48:01 ↗ great um

1:48:03 ↗ thank you carla and if you could show

1:48:04 ↗ the the uh i think probably the north

1:48:06 ↗ and the west

1:48:08 ↗ you leave it there at first i guess on

1:48:09 ↗ the on the south side

1:48:12 ↗ on the south side

1:48:13 ↗ so that is

1:48:14 ↗ those um

1:48:16 ↗ at that southwest corner on the south

1:48:17 ↗ side of the building we've got the

1:48:19 ↗ windows there for the retail space or

1:48:21 ↗ commercial space whatever it is so

1:48:23 ↗ um because i would definitely agree with

1:48:26 ↗ commissioner price's comments about

1:48:29 ↗ the view of that project from that

1:48:31 ↗ corner

1:48:32 ↗ is going to be the most prominent kind

1:48:34 ↗ of seems like everything else to the

1:48:37 ↗ east of there is going to be

1:48:39 ↗ covered up by trees most of the time

1:48:41 ↗ hopefully and

1:48:42 ↗ and hopefully evergreens as time goes by

1:48:45 ↗ so that that view of the project for a

1:48:48 ↗ lot of people is going to be that corner

1:48:50 ↗ i'm glad to see that we've got the

1:48:51 ↗ retail or the

1:48:53 ↗ commercial windows there facing south

1:48:56 ↗ but i would agree there's a lot more

1:48:58 ↗ that

1:48:59 ↗ could and should be done with that

1:49:00 ↗ corner specifically both

1:49:03 ↗ um what's that at ground level but the

1:49:06 ↗ uh especially at the roof level

1:49:08 ↗ and then carl if you could show the west

1:49:10 ↗ elevation as well

1:49:14 ↗ i think the other

1:49:15 ↗ in my mind the other um i guess two

1:49:18 ↗ things here it shows that again that

1:49:20 ↗ southwest corner to the right of the

1:49:22 ↗ west elevation

1:49:24 ↗ it ends up looking fairly

1:49:26 ↗ plain in my mind um

1:49:29 ↗ and

1:49:30 ↗ something there could be done more and

1:49:32 ↗ then again i think that northwest corner

1:49:34 ↗ is going to be the other elevation that

1:49:36 ↗ that

1:49:37 ↗ is going to get the most attention but

1:49:39 ↗ it seemed like one of the buildings you

1:49:41 ↗ showed

1:49:43 ↗ and i'm not sure if it was uh

1:49:45 ↗ bothell or not but one of them showed

1:49:47 ↗ kind of a

1:49:48 ↗ rooftop lit extension um

1:49:53 ↗ yeah that's a newcastle right

1:49:55 ↗ yeah um exactly

1:49:58 ↗ to me something like that the corner of

1:50:00 ↗ that building

1:50:01 ↗ seems much more like what we should be

1:50:03 ↗ seeing at those two corners of this

1:50:05 ↗ building

1:50:06 ↗ i could make it very distinctive

1:50:09 ↗ which which would bring my other comment

1:50:11 ↗ as i would agree that

1:50:13 ↗ um

1:50:14 ↗ the issue about the the rooftop

1:50:15 ↗ modulation i think would be important

1:50:18 ↗ looking at the north elevation

1:50:20 ↗ we get a long

1:50:21 ↗ string of a very flat roof cover

1:50:25 ↗ um

1:50:27 ↗ and i know we're backing up to the hotel

1:50:29 ↗ there but being a seven-story building

1:50:31 ↗ that's going to be seen by a lot of

1:50:32 ↗ people

1:50:34 ↗ even along that west elevation the

1:50:36 ↗ extent that there can be something done

1:50:38 ↗ with

1:50:39 ↗ some modulation and if there are any

1:50:41 ↗ sloped

1:50:42 ↗ um

1:50:44 ↗ portions that could be added

1:50:46 ↗ not necessarily slope portions but even

1:50:48 ↗ i i guess slope additions or whatever to

1:50:51 ↗ that rooftop

1:50:52 ↗ uh would go a long ways towards

1:50:55 ↗ um some of the feedback we've gotten

1:50:58 ↗ about the atlas apartments being very

1:51:00 ↗ boxy structures i do appreciate the fact

1:51:03 ↗ that you've stepped back the frontage of

1:51:05 ↗ the building in those upper levels

1:51:07 ↗ but at that very rooftop here but i

1:51:09 ↗ think would be helpful too so

1:51:12 ↗ thank you here's my comments

1:51:14 ↗ thank you

1:51:15 ↗ no no thank you we'll take a look at the

1:51:17 ↗ code maybe some clear stories which is

1:51:19 ↗ uh like a little dormer treatment and

1:51:21 ↗ some things like that maybe we can do

1:51:22 ↗ those there

1:51:24 ↗ we'll take a look at the code and what

1:51:25 ↗ we can do

1:51:27 ↗ and and then one other comment i guess

1:51:29 ↗ in terms of the

1:51:30 ↗ the departures from the sids

1:51:33 ↗ i guess one thought to me those all

1:51:35 ↗ sounded like

1:51:37 ↗ reasonable departures

1:51:40 ↗ thank you

1:51:43 ↗ commissioner shore

1:51:49 ↗ hello um

1:51:51 ↗ i believe the applicant said that there

1:51:53 ↗ was a transportation consultant on board

1:51:57 ↗ um i wondered if they had just any

1:51:59 ↗ general comments about this site

1:52:02 ↗ um and i noticed

1:52:05 ↗ um when we were looking at the parking

1:52:07 ↗ it doesn't look like you could make

1:52:09 ↗ a turn into that

1:52:13 ↗ parking area from southbound 12th

1:52:18 ↗ and there's there's also a turn lane the

1:52:21 ↗ full length of 12th right now

1:52:23 ↗ which looks like it would be

1:52:26 ↗ gone after this project

1:52:29 ↗ right um

1:52:31 ↗ with the

1:52:32 ↗ future plans for 12 we're we're

1:52:35 ↗ re-analyzing 12 as

1:52:37 ↗ as part of the plan

1:52:39 ↗ um and that will be

1:52:41 ↗ you know of course

1:52:42 ↗ in the application um and i think

1:52:45 ↗ someone else mentioned you know to

1:52:46 ↗ provide some sections on newport we'll

1:52:47 ↗ provide some sections on on 12 also to

1:52:50 ↗ help explain

1:52:51 ↗ how we're how we're doing that

1:52:55 ↗ and do you think you would be able to

1:52:57 ↗ add access from both directions on 12th

1:53:00 ↗ or only northbound

1:53:02 ↗ uh

1:53:02 ↗ i think that it might be a right turn

1:53:05 ↗ and right turnout only on 12. i'm not

1:53:08 ↗ sure we're still

1:53:09 ↗ we're working with the city's

1:53:11 ↗ staff on on on those requirements at

1:53:13 ↗ this time

1:53:15 ↗ and and frankly we don't have the full

1:53:17 ↗ uh scope

1:53:18 ↗ yet from the city and what they need us

1:53:20 ↗ to study on that

1:53:23 ↗ okay

1:53:24 ↗ but i do think you know what we are

1:53:25 ↗ going to do i mentioned and and it kind

1:53:27 ↗ of falls into the comment about you know

1:53:28 ↗ putting a rough feature on that

1:53:29 ↗ northwest corner of the building at the

1:53:31 ↗ base we're going to probably

1:53:33 ↗ set back the bay i mean the awning and

1:53:36 ↗ the pedestrian experience will still be

1:53:38 ↗ on the sidewalk we'll probably take out

1:53:40 ↗ a bit of that bay to try to create

1:53:43 ↗ better side triangles for turning in and

1:53:45 ↗ out of there and better connections to

1:53:47 ↗ knowing where to go

1:53:52 ↗ brooke i would just add to that as well

1:53:53 ↗ i mean the majority of our parking is

1:53:55 ↗ really loaded off of um

1:53:57 ↗ the eastern portion of the site and so

1:53:59 ↗ while the

1:54:00 ↗ well the off maple and so while the 12th

1:54:03 ↗ turn is obviously important to the

1:54:05 ↗ functioning of the site

1:54:06 ↗ there is a lot

1:54:08 ↗ a good portion of that volume will be

1:54:10 ↗ coming on the other end as well

1:54:11 ↗ so it's not it's not all heavily loaded

1:54:13 ↗ on one side

1:54:18 ↗ are there any other questions or

1:54:20 ↗ comments from commissioners uh this

1:54:22 ↗ evening

1:54:25 ↗ i'll uh jump in with a couple of mine

1:54:27 ↗ here real quick uh

1:54:28 ↗ uh number one covered already appreciate

1:54:30 ↗ all the

1:54:31 ↗ questions and comments so far

1:54:33 ↗ the um

1:54:35 ↗ the

1:54:36 ↗ internal courtyard or the through block

1:54:38 ↗ connection in a seven story building

1:54:41 ↗ have you really looked at the natural

1:54:43 ↗ lighting shadowing that's going to

1:54:45 ↗ happen

1:54:46 ↗ um and is it going to be an inviting

1:54:47 ↗ place to be for um

1:54:50 ↗ you know those parts of the year that

1:54:52 ↗ may not be so sunny

1:54:55 ↗ meaning once the sun gets low on the

1:54:57 ↗ horizon you may have

1:54:59 ↗ shadowing for most if not all of the

1:55:01 ↗ courtyard for a good part of the year so

1:55:04 ↗ just wondering how you're treating the

1:55:06 ↗ courtyard to make it more inviting um

1:55:09 ↗ and or have you looked at

1:55:11 ↗ the

1:55:12 ↗ shadow in the back

1:55:13 ↗ we have we've done some shadow studies

1:55:15 ↗ in you know really when you look at the

1:55:17 ↗ through block connectors they're also

1:55:19 ↗ are purposely positioned to help bring

1:55:21 ↗ light into that you know we have the one

1:55:23 ↗ on the self um building mass we also set

1:55:27 ↗ back

1:55:28 ↗ or set down a story and part of that

1:55:31 ↗ again to really try to improve the light

1:55:33 ↗ into the courtyard

1:55:35 ↗ in the summer months of course we get a

1:55:37 ↗ lot of westerly

1:55:38 ↗ sunlight late in the day when people

1:55:40 ↗ tend to be home and active so again

1:55:44 ↗ part of the placement and design of the

1:55:46 ↗ west connection on 12th was to help try

1:55:48 ↗ to bring more light into that courtyard

1:55:51 ↗ you know it's still deep we we

1:55:53 ↗ you know we are aware of that um we work

1:55:56 ↗ through it on a lot of properties you

1:55:58 ↗ know we're looking at some tiering and

1:56:00 ↗ things on the non

1:56:03 ↗ we have to be careful about the grade

1:56:04 ↗ because we want everyone to be able to

1:56:05 ↗ circulate pretty carefully but we're

1:56:06 ↗ also looking at you know can we raise

1:56:08 ↗ things up for a little bit a lot of that

1:56:10 ↗ design is still in process but it is

1:56:12 ↗ definitely a concern of ours and we have

1:56:14 ↗ taken some steps and probably need to do

1:56:16 ↗ a few more steps to get there

1:56:19 ↗ oh great so i just want to also throw my

1:56:21 ↗ you know kind of support count the

1:56:23 ↗ comments around

1:56:24 ↗ the corner condition um yeah on 12th and

1:56:28 ↗ newport way it's your opportunity i

1:56:30 ↗ think to really

1:56:32 ↗ create the building image and make a

1:56:34 ↗ statement um at that space

1:56:36 ↗ and then in building modulation and

1:56:38 ↗ trying to deal with some of the

1:56:41 ↗ uh

1:56:42 ↗ long and bulky

1:56:43 ↗ kind of profile that the

1:56:46 ↗ plans show here so anything that you can

1:56:48 ↗ do to create that modulation and

1:56:50 ↗ interest understanding that you've got

1:56:52 ↗ design criteria you're trying to thread

1:56:54 ↗ the needle through as well but at the

1:56:56 ↗ same time this is a fairly significant

1:56:58 ↗ building so you've got to get creative

1:57:00 ↗ on that front and then a question for

1:57:02 ↗ staff there's uh clearly disagreement on

1:57:07 ↗ the

1:57:08 ↗ the ditch slash um

1:57:11 ↗ drainage along newport weight what's the

1:57:14 ↗ process to resolve that

1:57:16 ↗ and because it does have a material

1:57:17 ↗ impact on this on this building

1:57:20 ↗ design and is the commission involved at

1:57:37 ↗ thank you

1:57:39 ↗ so i wouldn't that was a good one it's

1:57:41 ↗ not a universal signal yet is it

1:57:46 ↗ so yeah i wouldn't say there is

1:57:48 ↗ disagreement the process is that if

1:57:51 ↗ there is question about characteristics

1:57:53 ↗ on a site then the applicant needs to

1:57:55 ↗ provide reports that address the code

1:57:58 ↗ criteria in 1810

1:58:00 ↗ and then it's peer-reviewed by

1:58:03 ↗ a professional in the field and so until

1:58:06 ↗ we get to a place where the peer

1:58:08 ↗ reviewers can say that that what is

1:58:11 ↗ provided

1:58:12 ↗ meets code

1:58:15 ↗ will have some back and forth and i

1:58:17 ↗ don't know if

1:58:18 ↗ if our peer reviewer wants to speak a

1:58:21 ↗ bit more on that i'll give them the

1:58:22 ↗ opportunity if they'd like to

1:58:27 ↗ i i will say that um the

1:58:31 ↗ city has been in

1:58:32 ↗ touch with wdfw

1:58:35 ↗ and is in conversations with them

1:58:38 ↗ as well concerning the features similar

1:58:41 ↗ to what we heard on comments

1:58:43 ↗ um so that is part of the conversation

1:58:47 ↗ that is ongoing

1:58:51 ↗ thank you ms merkin

1:58:53 ↗ are there other questions or comments

1:58:56 ↗ from the commission this evening

1:59:01 ↗ i believe commissioner price has added

1:59:03 ↗ another i'm sorry i missed that

1:59:05 ↗ commissioner price thank you

1:59:07 ↗ that's all right thank you uh this is

1:59:09 ↗ commissioner kevin price speaking again

1:59:12 ↗ um i

1:59:13 ↗ you know

1:59:15 ↗ i want to talk about the palette a

1:59:16 ↗ little bit i i i generally like what you

1:59:20 ↗ presented i would encourage you to keep

1:59:22 ↗ pushing that and maintaining that

1:59:24 ↗ direction i think we want high quality

1:59:27 ↗ materials we want fine grained materials

1:59:31 ↗ that

1:59:32 ↗ are frankly

1:59:33 ↗ reflective of the environment the

1:59:35 ↗ community

1:59:36 ↗ their their natural

1:59:38 ↗ to a degree or have an appearance of

1:59:41 ↗ natural

1:59:42 ↗ we

1:59:42 ↗ we are not inclined to want to see

1:59:45 ↗ huge expanses of cementitious panel uh

1:59:49 ↗ and things of that nature a lot of swiss

1:59:51 ↗ pearl

1:59:52 ↗ party

1:59:53 ↗ you name it i didn't see a lot of that

1:59:56 ↗ represented i saw about a brick i see

1:59:58 ↗ some simulated wood

2:00:00 ↗ etc um

2:00:02 ↗ high quality um

2:00:05 ↗ storefronts

2:00:06 ↗ will be a key ingredient

2:00:08 ↗ and for that pedestrian environment in

2:00:11 ↗ the retail environment the commercial

2:00:12 ↗ environment

2:00:14 ↗ and additionally

2:00:16 ↗ this is a personal pet peeve when the

2:00:18 ↗ windows are black on the

2:00:22 ↗ street level and then they go to white

2:00:23 ↗ vinyl on the upper floors

2:00:25 ↗ is a little disingenuous so

2:00:28 ↗ anything you can do understanding

2:00:30 ↗ there's a lot of windows and that's a

2:00:32 ↗ huge expense

2:00:34 ↗ i think the building just needs to be

2:00:35 ↗ harmonious and and take your cues from

2:00:38 ↗ the really really bad examples that have

2:00:40 ↗ been chastised throughout the community

2:00:42 ↗ and as a knot to do and i i think that

2:00:45 ↗ will aid in your success

2:00:48 ↗ we've read that all those reports have

2:00:50 ↗ listened with great care too so

2:00:52 ↗ competitive projects

2:00:55 ↗ thank you good advice commissioner

2:00:57 ↗ schulte

2:00:59 ↗ uh thank you chair brennan um just

2:01:00 ↗ wanted to echo some of the other

2:01:02 ↗ comments regarding that uh southwest

2:01:03 ↗ corner again that's a great opportunity

2:01:05 ↗ to really capitalize on you know

2:01:08 ↗ community engagement

2:01:10 ↗ i see retail being a struggle

2:01:12 ↗ to get activated

2:01:14 ↗ in this area so

2:01:15 ↗ again activating those corners

2:01:18 ↗ to promote that activity and attract

2:01:21 ↗ the customer will be super critical i

2:01:23 ↗ also wanted to echo the same comment um

2:01:26 ↗ regarding some modulation especially

2:01:29 ↗ along that north side so i think there's

2:01:31 ↗ opportunities for some parapet

2:01:33 ↗ modulation while being mindful of the

2:01:35 ↗ you know the various mep screenings that

2:01:38 ↗ you have to do up there

2:01:39 ↗ um

2:01:40 ↗ you know especially once you start

2:01:41 ↗ providing air conditioning to the units

2:01:43 ↗ and uh

2:01:45 ↗ i see a lot going on up there

2:01:48 ↗ and then let's see um i think it's great

2:01:52 ↗ that uh

2:01:54 ↗ you know there's a there's a push

2:01:56 ↗ towards sustainability um obviously we

2:01:59 ↗ we're starting to see it all around us

2:02:01 ↗ so you know i i applaud the efforts to

2:02:04 ↗ um to explore that further you know with

2:02:06 ↗ the you know with the proposed solar

2:02:08 ↗ panels on the roof i think that's great

2:02:10 ↗ um

2:02:12 ↗ i encourage you to provide as much ev

2:02:14 ↗ parking as possible because as you've

2:02:16 ↗ probably seen seen tv adoption is high

2:02:20 ↗ and

2:02:21 ↗ even i'm seeing you know minimal

2:02:23 ↗ requirements by city codes it's just not

2:02:25 ↗ enough

2:02:26 ↗ these days

2:02:28 ↗ um

2:02:29 ↗ and then i just wanted to uh regarding

2:02:31 ↗ the departures i i have no

2:02:34 ↗ um

2:02:36 ↗ comments i'm

2:02:37 ↗ i'm in support of the departures that

2:02:39 ↗ you're requesting the six departures so

2:02:42 ↗ um i think those are those are

2:02:44 ↗ reasonable requests thank you

2:02:49 ↗ all right thank you any other comments

2:02:51 ↗ or questions this evening

2:02:54 ↗ one follow-up on your question

2:02:56 ↗ commissioner brennan um on the tributary

2:02:59 ↗ stream ditch

2:03:01 ↗ question

2:03:03 ↗ so the peer reviewer

2:03:05 ↗ has to agree with the applicant is it

2:03:07 ↗ the city's peer reviewer

2:03:09 ↗ what is the process there

2:03:14 ↗ hi this is holly keaton again um

2:03:16 ↗ i hope you can all hear me this time

2:03:20 ↗ so again the process is that if there is

2:03:22 ↗ question about characteristics on the

2:03:24 ↗ site that the applicant has to provide a

2:03:28 ↗ report addressing the characteristics in

2:03:31 ↗ alignment with what is

2:03:33 ↗ required in chapter 18 10. they have to

2:03:36 ↗ hire for this area it would be a

2:03:40 ↗ wetlands biologist biologist or

2:03:42 ↗ ecologist

2:03:43 ↗ and then that would be peer reviewed by

2:03:46 ↗ a similar professional in the field

2:03:49 ↗ a city peer reviewer in this case the

2:03:51 ↗ peer reviewer is herrera

2:03:54 ↗ and they have been involved

2:03:56 ↗ since july which was uh shortly after

2:04:01 ↗ the pre-application meeting for this

2:04:04 ↗ project

2:04:05 ↗ and the applicant requested to have

2:04:07 ↗ early review

2:04:13 ↗ and what is the city's role in that did

2:04:15 ↗ they just

2:04:16 ↗ review the documents provided

2:04:20 ↗ the peer reviewer reviews to the code

2:04:23 ↗ regulations so if the information has

2:04:25 ↗ addressed the code then it would be

2:04:28 ↗ found to

2:04:29 ↗ be adequate

2:04:35 ↗ thank you any other

2:04:37 ↗ questions this evening

2:04:40 ↗ comments

2:04:42 ↗ great um

2:04:44 ↗ good discussion great comments i

2:04:46 ↗ appreciate the responses um mr bottles

2:04:49 ↗ and the avalonbay team

2:04:51 ↗ i know it's challenging to do a public

2:04:53 ↗ meeting

2:04:54 ↗ like this particularly

2:04:56 ↗ virtually um but i think i think it went

2:04:58 ↗ well so appreciate your your time and

2:05:00 ↗ attention and

2:05:02 ↗ i hope you take the feedback seriously

2:05:04 ↗ because we'll get another chance to look

2:05:05 ↗ at

2:05:06 ↗ at the

2:05:07 ↗ revised uh project as it continues to

2:05:10 ↗ evolve so looking forward to that

2:05:13 ↗ um

2:05:14 ↗ really quickly uh holly can you explain

2:05:16 ↗ next steps in the process for this

2:05:18 ↗ project

2:05:21 ↗ sure happy too

2:05:22 ↗ so as noted earlier um the applicant

2:05:26 ↗ hasn't yet submitted a plan set for

2:05:28 ↗ review so the next step will be that

2:05:31 ↗ at some point we will get their

2:05:33 ↗ application

2:05:35 ↗ submitted and then staff will review and

2:05:38 ↗ comments will go out so that application

2:05:40 ↗ will be for a site development permit

2:05:42 ↗ and in association with the site

2:05:44 ↗ development permit there will also be

2:05:45 ↗ cpa review

2:05:48 ↗ and let me see and then notices uh will

2:05:51 ↗ go out for

2:05:52 ↗ a hearing tied to the recommendation

2:05:56 ↗ on the site development permit which

2:05:58 ↗ then will come back to the development

2:05:59 ↗ commission so that will be another

2:06:01 ↗ public meeting

2:06:02 ↗ and then sipa also has a noticing period

2:06:05 ↗ and comment period

2:06:08 ↗ great lucy

2:06:10 ↗ i i just wanted to add um because this

2:06:13 ↗ is at the end of a pair of meetings that

2:06:16 ↗ all the comments from tonight

2:06:19 ↗ will

2:06:21 ↗ some of them that are related to the

2:06:23 ↗ critical area studies will be wrapped

2:06:26 ↗ into

2:06:27 ↗ finishing those critical area studies

2:06:30 ↗ they're also provided to the

2:06:32 ↗ environmental board

2:06:35 ↗ in case there are policy implications

2:06:37 ↗ for it and then any of the comments that

2:06:40 ↗ are not environmental will be carried

2:06:42 ↗ forward into the sdp work that holly was

2:06:46 ↗ describing

2:06:47 ↗ great thanks for that additional

2:06:49 ↗ information that's helpful

2:06:51 ↗ so that concludes the neighborhood

2:06:54 ↗ meeting and the community conference for

2:06:55 ↗ the avalon bay project i might suggest

2:06:58 ↗ that we take just a short break here

2:07:00 ↗ since we've been at this for a little

2:07:02 ↗ over two hours give everybody a chance

2:07:04 ↗ to fill your water bottle stretch your

2:07:06 ↗ legs um how about if we come back at

2:07:09 ↗ 8 45 so just a few minutes here and then

2:07:12 ↗ back on

2:07:13 ↗ don't log off the meeting

2:07:15 ↗ just

2:07:16 ↗ camera and microphones off would be

2:07:17 ↗ helpful so thanks

2:07:19 ↗ back at 8 45.

2:15:15 ↗ okay great

2:15:17 ↗ so we will kind of

2:15:19 ↗ call the meeting back to order so the

2:15:21 ↗ next agenda item is feedback on the

2:15:24 ↗ proposed changes to the development

2:15:25 ↗ commission's role

2:15:27 ↗ so in the revised packet received on

2:15:29 ↗ friday commissioners received the memos

2:15:31 ↗ from staff prepared for the

2:15:33 ↗ ppc uh regarding the proposed changes to

2:15:36 ↗ title 18's procedures and administration

2:15:39 ↗ one of the proposals includes changes to

2:15:41 ↗ the development commission's role

2:15:43 ↗ tonight is an opportunity for the dc to

2:15:46 ↗ discuss and give feedback on the changes

2:15:49 ↗ to the planning and policy commission or

2:15:51 ↗ that which the planning and policy

2:15:52 ↗ commission will discuss tomorrow evening

2:15:55 ↗ at the conclusion of the development

2:15:57 ↗ commission's conversation

2:15:59 ↗ um we will discuss um if one to three

2:16:02 ↗ commissioners uh would like to attend

2:16:05 ↗ tomorrow's pc ppc uh meeting

2:16:08 ↗ where they will be considering the topic

2:16:11 ↗ that we'll be discussing this evening

2:16:13 ↗ another alternative would be for staff

2:16:15 ↗ to summarize our feedback so we can go

2:16:18 ↗ through the conversation

2:16:20 ↗ uh here the presentation in our

2:16:22 ↗ conversation then decide how we'd like

2:16:24 ↗ to

2:16:25 ↗ transmit our

2:16:27 ↗ feedback back to the planning and policy

2:16:29 ↗ commission

2:16:31 ↗ so we will proceed with the staff

2:16:32 ↗ presentation by uh planning manager lucy

2:16:35 ↗ sloman lucy

2:16:37 ↗ thank you

2:16:52 ↗ do you see my screen yes we can

2:16:55 ↗ okay

2:16:56 ↗ so uh as um

2:16:59 ↗ chair brennan mentioned we're discussing

2:17:01 ↗ the role of the development commission

2:17:03 ↗ with land use permits

2:17:05 ↗ currently there are three main kinds of

2:17:08 ↗ permits that the commission has a role

2:17:12 ↗ with

2:17:13 ↗ site development permits preliminary

2:17:15 ↗ plats and master site plans

2:17:20 ↗ the first step like the one we took

2:17:21 ↗ tonight

2:17:22 ↗ can be a community conference

2:17:25 ↗ there's a lot of inconsistency right now

2:17:28 ↗ and so

2:17:29 ↗ the community conference

2:17:31 ↗ with associated with the site

2:17:33 ↗ development permit is only required in

2:17:36 ↗ certain parts of town

2:17:38 ↗ same with a preliminary plat um for a

2:17:42 ↗ site development permit that's outside

2:17:44 ↗ the

2:17:45 ↗ central issaquah or the urban villages

2:17:49 ↗ on the other hand for a preliminary plan

2:17:52 ↗ it's required in the urban villages

2:17:55 ↗ for a master site plan

2:17:58 ↗ anytime you have a master site plan the

2:18:00 ↗ community conference in front of the

2:18:01 ↗ development commission is required

2:18:04 ↗ um the action that

2:18:07 ↗ dc takes

2:18:09 ↗ with these permits

2:18:11 ↗ with the site development permit

2:18:14 ↗ dc is holding the hearing

2:18:16 ↗ and making the decision

2:18:19 ↗ for a master site plan

2:18:22 ↗ you are holding the hearing and making a

2:18:25 ↗ recommendation the city council would

2:18:27 ↗ make the decision

2:18:29 ↗ with a preliminary plat

2:18:31 ↗ the hearing examiner

2:18:34 ↗ holds the hearing and makes the decision

2:18:38 ↗ so um what we're proposing

2:18:41 ↗ is some changes this um little snippet

2:18:44 ↗ here is the previous screen just for

2:18:48 ↗ box reference

2:18:50 ↗ um

2:18:51 ↗ that for all of these permits

2:18:53 ↗ um you would provide early guidance once

2:18:57 ↗ we received the full permit

2:19:00 ↗ and that the decision maker would be the

2:19:03 ↗ hearing examiner holding both the

2:19:05 ↗ hearing

2:19:06 ↗ and the decision

2:19:08 ↗ some of the reasons that we are

2:19:11 ↗ proposing this

2:19:12 ↗ first of all

2:19:14 ↗ more consistency across the city it's

2:19:16 ↗ very confusing to have different

2:19:18 ↗ processes and they have different

2:19:20 ↗ historical reasons why there are these

2:19:23 ↗ variations but we

2:19:25 ↗ think that more consistency across the

2:19:27 ↗ city will be

2:19:29 ↗ easier for

2:19:30 ↗ applicants staff the public and

2:19:33 ↗ commissioners

2:19:36 ↗ second as we've mentioned

2:19:38 ↗ in the memo

2:19:39 ↗ best practices

2:19:41 ↗ recommend that hearing examiners make

2:19:44 ↗ decisions rather than

2:19:47 ↗ lay bodies

2:19:48 ↗ such as the commission or the council

2:19:52 ↗ and um the third thing that we're

2:19:54 ↗ looking at is ways to retain

2:19:57 ↗ this kind of commission input

2:20:01 ↗ into the decision

2:20:03 ↗ because we know that both

2:20:06 ↗ that it's a valuable part of that

2:20:07 ↗ process

2:20:10 ↗ so um really we're interested in your

2:20:13 ↗ thoughts on what is the best time and

2:20:16 ↗ best way to involve the development

2:20:18 ↗ commission with land use permits

2:20:25 ↗ great lucy

2:20:27 ↗ so now i'm going to open the meeting for

2:20:29 ↗ public comment we'll have a chance to

2:20:31 ↗ provide our comments or questions here

2:20:33 ↗ in just a minute

2:20:34 ↗ if any member of the public would like

2:20:36 ↗ to speak please type the word question

2:20:38 ↗ or comment in the chat box and please

2:20:41 ↗ direct chats to

2:20:43 ↗ uh all

2:20:44 ↗ panelists

2:20:45 ↗ uh when it's your turn

2:20:47 ↗ you will then be moved up as a panelist

2:20:49 ↗ if you're on the phone and not a

2:20:51 ↗ computer please press star 3 on your

2:20:54 ↗ phone or raise your virtual hand

2:20:57 ↗ once you moved up you may then unmute

2:20:59 ↗ your microphone turn on your video state

2:21:01 ↗ your name then proceed to ask your

2:21:03 ↗ question or make your comment

2:21:05 ↗ or if you prefer you can enter your full

2:21:08 ↗ comment or question in the chat and step

2:21:10 ↗ and a staff member will read it out loud

2:21:13 ↗ and mute your microphone when you're

2:21:14 ↗ finished please

2:21:16 ↗ before we get started i'm going to ask

2:21:17 ↗ that all comments and questions be kept

2:21:19 ↗ to

2:21:20 ↗ less than five minutes i want to be

2:21:23 ↗ succinct here this evening it's getting

2:21:24 ↗ late

2:21:25 ↗ this will allow everyone who wishes to

2:21:27 ↗ speak a chance to talk we also may have

2:21:30 ↗ attendees joining by phone so please

2:21:32 ↗ introduce yourself each time before you

2:21:34 ↗ speak

2:21:34 ↗ are there any questions and if so please

2:21:36 ↗ enter them in the chat

2:21:39 ↗ um

2:21:40 ↗ connie marsh is asked to make a comment

2:21:45 ↗ uh you have been made a panelist miss

2:21:47 ↗ marsh

2:21:52 ↗ uh so

2:21:57 ↗ i

2:21:58 ↗ have a hard time understood connie marsh

2:22:01 ↗ again

2:22:02 ↗ i have a hard time understanding how

2:22:04 ↗ well

2:22:05 ↗ your voices will be able to translate

2:22:10 ↗ through the process

2:22:12 ↗ if you aren't a decision maker

2:22:15 ↗ it seems like it dilutes your influence

2:22:18 ↗ in the name of

2:22:20 ↗ what efficiency

2:22:22 ↗ and insurance

2:22:24 ↗ i guess

2:22:26 ↗ i think your voices are very strong and

2:22:29 ↗ very helpful

2:22:30 ↗ in these decisions and i think you try

2:22:32 ↗ to reflect the community values in a way

2:22:35 ↗ that a hearing examiner

2:22:37 ↗ cannot

2:22:39 ↗ do

2:22:39 ↗ there may be some areas

2:22:42 ↗ where it's okay that you don't have to

2:22:44 ↗ have a meeting because it's a simple

2:22:45 ↗ thing and so i think it needs to be more

2:22:48 ↗ nuanced than the chart that is being

2:22:52 ↗ provided so i would resist the sort of

2:22:55 ↗ large scale efforts

2:22:58 ↗ so that the community can know that

2:23:02 ↗ that there are people who live here

2:23:06 ↗ and care about our system

2:23:09 ↗ thank you

2:23:11 ↗ thank you miss marsh

2:23:14 ↗ lucy are there others who would like to

2:23:16 ↗ speak

2:23:18 ↗ there are two hands that are up but i

2:23:20 ↗ believe that they have been up since uh

2:23:24 ↗ the previous comment period this is

2:23:27 ↗ um

2:23:29 ↗ someone just raised their hands so i'm

2:23:30 ↗ going to make mary lynch a panelist

2:23:36 ↗ ms lynch you are now a panelist and

2:23:38 ↗ you're unmuted

2:23:40 ↗ okay i'm not going to show my video

2:23:42 ↗ again for the same reason

2:23:45 ↗ i just want to

2:23:47 ↗ also

2:23:48 ↗ support what connie said

2:23:50 ↗ because my experience

2:23:52 ↗ you know prior to covet is

2:23:55 ↗ that the develop commission really

2:23:58 ↗ helped

2:23:59 ↗ to formulate what was happening

2:24:02 ↗ and i don't think if

2:24:04 ↗ on the projects that along newport way

2:24:06 ↗ and also on veil

2:24:08 ↗ and some of the other ones and i don't

2:24:10 ↗ think

2:24:11 ↗ um especially with the turnover and city

2:24:14 ↗ staff

2:24:15 ↗ where you don't have the history of

2:24:17 ↗ what's happened uh

2:24:19 ↗ majority of those people to my knowledge

2:24:21 ↗ don't live in issaquah so they don't

2:24:23 ↗ know issaquah

2:24:24 ↗ um

2:24:26 ↗ and then the same thing with the

2:24:27 ↗ developers is i i don't think we're

2:24:30 ↗ going to get um good decisions made

2:24:32 ↗ because without

2:24:34 ↗ um your involvement and being able to

2:24:36 ↗ make decisions i don't think

2:24:39 ↗ the city or the citizens would have had

2:24:41 ↗ the chance to give input in a timely

2:24:43 ↗ fashion and had what limited impact we

2:24:46 ↗ did have on those projects because of

2:24:48 ↗ your decisions if it goes to a hearing

2:24:50 ↗ examiner i think

2:24:52 ↗ there's no use to even give public

2:24:54 ↗ comment because i don't think our voices

2:24:56 ↗ will be heard

2:24:58 ↗ thank you

2:25:05 ↗ thank you miss

2:25:07 ↗ lynch are there others

2:25:09 ↗ that have their hand up

2:25:12 ↗ uh

2:25:17 ↗ tim kimball and geraldine carey i

2:25:19 ↗ believe you have your hands up from the

2:25:22 ↗ previous comment period

2:25:25 ↗ [Music]

2:25:26 ↗ could you lower your hand if you're not

2:25:29 ↗ asking to comment now

2:25:39 ↗ okay i'm going to assume that means you

2:25:41 ↗ want to comment so i will um

2:25:44 ↗ tim i will make you a panelist

2:25:52 ↗ and you've been unmuted mr kimball

2:26:03 ↗ mr kimball are you there

2:26:12 ↗ okay

2:26:13 ↗ okay

2:26:14 ↗ i'm going to return

2:26:16 ↗ mr kimball to

2:26:19 ↗ an attendee

2:26:21 ↗ uh

2:26:23 ↗ geraldine kerry i'm making you a

2:26:25 ↗ panelist

2:26:27 ↗ uh you have been unmuted

2:26:30 ↗ miss carrie do you care to make

2:26:32 ↗ comments no i'm just i'm just trying to

2:26:36 ↗ get back in

2:26:38 ↗ i accidentally exited

2:26:41 ↗ okay no that was me doing that i thought

2:26:43 ↗ you had your hand up to make comments no

2:26:46 ↗ i did not thank you okay

2:26:48 ↗ yeah

2:26:54 ↗ so

2:26:54 ↗ that is that

2:26:56 ↗ is that i believe that is the extent of

2:26:59 ↗ public comment right thanks

2:27:01 ↗ so we've been asked to provide input on

2:27:03 ↗ the proposed changes to the development

2:27:04 ↗ commission's role with the land use

2:27:06 ↗ permits

2:27:08 ↗ so it's our opportunity to provide

2:27:10 ↗ i guess to discuss and think about the

2:27:12 ↗ feedback that we

2:27:14 ↗ would collectively like to provide to

2:27:16 ↗ the planning and policy commission

2:27:18 ↗ um as they consider the policy changes

2:27:21 ↗ that are before them on title 18 and

2:27:23 ↗ administrative provisions is there

2:27:25 ↗ someone who would like to

2:27:27 ↗ start us off you can i can see everybody

2:27:29 ↗ so i think we can probably just raise

2:27:31 ↗ hands at this point

2:27:33 ↗ um commissioner price

2:27:38 ↗ thank you uh

2:27:40 ↗ um this is kevin price speaking again

2:27:43 ↗ so uh

2:27:45 ↗ you know i'm all in support of

2:27:47 ↗ predictability

2:27:48 ↗ i'm very much in support of streamlining

2:27:51 ↗ the process

2:27:53 ↗ uh as it was just outlined in that

2:27:55 ↗ diagram

2:27:56 ↗ in front of it i

2:27:58 ↗ i don't

2:28:00 ↗ certainly it streamlines it certainly

2:28:02 ↗ there's predictability in that it checks

2:28:04 ↗ those boxes but

2:28:05 ↗ it really nullifies the

2:28:10 ↗ usefulness of the commission and the

2:28:12 ↗ purpose of the commission in my opinion

2:28:14 ↗ uh

2:28:16 ↗ at that point i'm curious how we're

2:28:18 ↗ different than the public

2:28:20 ↗ um we are the public it is our community

2:28:23 ↗ um why have a commission at all if if

2:28:26 ↗ that's the case

2:28:27 ↗ especially if

2:28:29 ↗ we're not even

2:28:30 ↗ uh by recommendation influencing that

2:28:33 ↗ decision and it didn't appear as even

2:28:35 ↗ though our recommendations

2:28:37 ↗ decision so i may be jumping way ahead

2:28:41 ↗ and and not clearly understanding

2:28:44 ↗ how how we go from you know the first

2:28:46 ↗ step

2:28:47 ↗ uh to the the hearing and

2:28:50 ↗ decision-making process but to me i i

2:28:52 ↗ guess i'm not in support of that i would

2:28:54 ↗ i would like to see another layer and

2:28:56 ↗ more influence from people that live in

2:28:58 ↗ and around the community and not have it

2:29:00 ↗ solely in the hands

2:29:02 ↗ of that

2:29:04 ↗ so that's that's my general opinion

2:29:06 ↗ based on what i saw so i appreciate any

2:29:08 ↗ comment or feedback around that

2:29:14 ↗ uh commissioner

2:29:16 ↗ i'd support what commissioner price said

2:29:18 ↗ it made it really

2:29:20 ↗ difficult to understand what role the

2:29:22 ↗ commission really played absol any

2:29:24 ↗ different than the public might be we're

2:29:25 ↗ making a recommendation without any

2:29:28 ↗ any real

2:29:29 ↗ meat in that recommendation and i think

2:29:32 ↗ we do

2:29:33 ↗ a reasonably good job of representing

2:29:35 ↗ the public and and

2:29:37 ↗ and allowing them to influence some of

2:29:39 ↗ our discussion

2:29:45 ↗ sorry um commissioner stanford

2:29:49 ↗ thanks uh richard sanford

2:29:51 ↗ so

2:29:52 ↗ it's my understanding that there can

2:29:54 ↗ only be one open record hearing

2:29:57 ↗ regarding stps is that correct

2:29:59 ↗ and yeah and that that hearing then

2:30:01 ↗ would be before the hearing examiner

2:30:04 ↗ that that meeting would be before the

2:30:06 ↗ hearing examiner not before us

2:30:09 ↗ and i was wondering in terms of the

2:30:11 ↗ recommendation to the hearing examiner

2:30:13 ↗ is it envisioned that we would

2:30:16 ↗ recommend complete with conditions as

2:30:19 ↗ we've

2:30:20 ↗ assigned conditions in the past if so

2:30:24 ↗ it seems to me that we're developing

2:30:25 ↗ those conditions without

2:30:27 ↗ any input from the community at all

2:30:30 ↗ so that seems to be it cross purposes to

2:30:33 ↗ me

2:30:34 ↗ lucy it might be helpful to explain a

2:30:36 ↗ little bit more about how

2:30:38 ↗ this proposed process change would work

2:30:41 ↗ to help us grasp this a little bit

2:30:43 ↗ better

2:30:44 ↗ so i i think one thing that's important

2:30:47 ↗ uh

2:30:48 ↗ to you know that you're highlighting

2:30:51 ↗ is that um these are very early

2:30:54 ↗ discussions in in and considerations

2:30:59 ↗ uh

2:31:00 ↗ in the process of trying to identify the

2:31:03 ↗ many ways that we need to upgrade and

2:31:05 ↗ update title 18

2:31:08 ↗ and so i think the first thing i would

2:31:10 ↗ say is

2:31:11 ↗ we haven't flushed this out very far

2:31:14 ↗ i think we want to

2:31:16 ↗ identify

2:31:19 ↗ policy and

2:31:22 ↗ food gaps

2:31:23 ↗ and have a conversation with the

2:31:25 ↗ commissions and the public before we go

2:31:28 ↗ and spend a lot of time trying to craft

2:31:30 ↗ something

2:31:31 ↗ so i i think that that what we're

2:31:34 ↗ proposing is more

2:31:37 ↗ than what you were doing tonight

2:31:40 ↗ which is a

2:31:42 ↗ it is an early guidance meeting a

2:31:44 ↗ community conference isn't early

2:31:46 ↗ guidance but the um

2:31:49 ↗ uh permit you know we we haven't

2:31:51 ↗ received the full permit

2:31:53 ↗ and so the thought is that once the full

2:31:55 ↗ permit is come in as we're doing the

2:31:58 ↗ first

2:31:59 ↗ sort of detailed review with

2:32:02 ↗ the applicant that the commission and

2:32:04 ↗ the public would have an opportunity

2:32:07 ↗ to

2:32:08 ↗ really help

2:32:10 ↗ all the parties dig into

2:32:13 ↗ what has been presented and help

2:32:16 ↗ shape that and ensure that if there are

2:32:20 ↗ um

2:32:22 ↗ any um

2:32:25 ↗ gradients any options that are

2:32:27 ↗ [Music]

2:32:30 ↗ part of the development standards that

2:32:32 ↗ the community gets to help weigh in on

2:32:35 ↗ those

2:32:36 ↗ and i think it is different than the

2:32:38 ↗ role of the public we get many letters

2:32:42 ↗ uh and written comments i think that the

2:32:46 ↗ commission's expertise and um

2:32:50 ↗ ability to really study and review the

2:32:53 ↗ materials

2:32:54 ↗ and uh comment on it is um

2:32:58 ↗ more valuable than

2:32:59 ↗ not more valuable is different than the

2:33:01 ↗ kind of feedback we get from the

2:33:03 ↗ community

2:33:05 ↗ and i think that an area in which we

2:33:08 ↗ have

2:33:09 ↗ really been able to add some value in

2:33:11 ↗ this process is through assigning

2:33:14 ↗ conditions to some of these permits that

2:33:16 ↗ are eventually approved

2:33:19 ↗ and i think that that's pretty critical

2:33:21 ↗ to our role and

2:33:23 ↗ um the community has been able to inform

2:33:25 ↗ that process hugely

2:33:27 ↗ in meetings in which we are involved

2:33:28 ↗ with them

2:33:30 ↗ so that seems like

2:33:31 ↗ a very valuable aspect of all this to me

2:33:34 ↗ and i guess the the aim is to reduce

2:33:36 ↗ risk

2:33:37 ↗ uh the recommendations are from a risk

2:33:40 ↗ group in uh state of washington and i

2:33:42 ↗ guess there are others and i was

2:33:44 ↗ interested

2:33:45 ↗ to know exactly how would moving the

2:33:49 ↗ decision process the hearing examiner

2:33:50 ↗ reduce risk is it a matter of

2:33:54 ↗ possibility of procedural errors on the

2:33:57 ↗ part of the commission that's

2:34:00 ↗ considered here exactly i you know

2:34:02 ↗ because that probably is

2:34:04 ↗ a real issue that we should consider

2:34:07 ↗ uh especially with some litigation we've

2:34:09 ↗ dealt with in the past

2:34:11 ↗ so

2:34:13 ↗ i'm certainly for us retaining

2:34:15 ↗ all of the community input that we can

2:34:17 ↗ possibly have

2:34:19 ↗ but on the other hand i think we've been

2:34:21 ↗ sometimes involved in trying to make

2:34:23 ↗ decisions for which we weren't

2:34:25 ↗ ultimately the qualified experts

2:34:28 ↗ so i'm interested to see

2:34:30 ↗ in the city's view

2:34:32 ↗ how this reduces risk i understand that

2:34:34 ↗ the hearing examiner is an attorney with

2:34:37 ↗ uh required seven years land use

2:34:39 ↗ experience and so on uh the person is

2:34:41 ↗ appointed for one year by the mayor and

2:34:43 ↗ i guess you know may come and go but i i

2:34:46 ↗ just like to see how

2:34:48 ↗ overall risk reduction is addressed by

2:34:50 ↗ this proposal

2:34:54 ↗ so i think uh

2:34:57 ↗ the risk that um

2:34:59 ↗ lay bodies have sometimes encountered

2:35:03 ↗ uh is

2:35:05 ↗ uh

2:35:09 ↗ being swayed potentially by emotions

2:35:13 ↗ more than standards and criteria

2:35:17 ↗ and

2:35:18 ↗ the rules and regulations that are in

2:35:20 ↗ place

2:35:22 ↗ and

2:35:24 ↗ in making a decision from a say more

2:35:27 ↗ emotional

2:35:29 ↗ uh rather than objective

2:35:32 ↗ position

2:35:33 ↗ uh then runs the risk of

2:35:37 ↗ lawsuits

2:35:38 ↗ appeals and other challenges which

2:35:43 ↗ could be upheld

2:35:45 ↗ um

2:35:47 ↗ minnie do you have something you would

2:35:49 ↗ like to add

2:35:52 ↗ you know i want to start off with it

2:35:54 ↗ it's a complicated thing in terms of you

2:35:56 ↗ know we can keep the status quo

2:35:58 ↗ and we know some things have worked and

2:36:00 ↗ some things have not worked obviously

2:36:02 ↗ the community engagement the the

2:36:05 ↗ expertise that you bring to a project is

2:36:08 ↗ extremely important to the city

2:36:10 ↗ and has added value to the projects it

2:36:12 ↗ really depends on at which level of

2:36:15 ↗ engagement and involvement

2:36:18 ↗ is is the right level of involvement so

2:36:20 ↗ if a project comes fully baked in front

2:36:23 ↗ of you it's already kind of worked out

2:36:25 ↗ all the things and then you hold the

2:36:27 ↗ public hearing

2:36:29 ↗ at that stage the applicant has invested

2:36:32 ↗ a lot of time and money of of working

2:36:34 ↗ out everything

2:36:35 ↗ and the plans are fully

2:36:37 ↗ developed

2:36:39 ↗ and

2:36:40 ↗ you guys are bound by the criteria that

2:36:42 ↗ is in the code not necessarily what you

2:36:45 ↗ feel like about the project but what is

2:36:47 ↗ the criteria so as you all make that

2:36:49 ↗ decision

2:36:50 ↗ you you are bound by what is the

2:36:53 ↗ criteria and is this project meeting the

2:36:55 ↗ criteria or not you're not a proponent

2:36:57 ↗ or an opponent of the project you're

2:36:59 ↗ acting as a judge evaluating against the

2:37:02 ↗ adopted criteria

2:37:04 ↗ so

2:37:05 ↗ so we we're trying to figure out how

2:37:07 ↗ this process can be so that we can get

2:37:10 ↗ some of your concerns at a level that

2:37:12 ↗ that can actually inform and make it

2:37:14 ↗ make an impact or change the project

2:37:17 ↗ if it is at a point where

2:37:19 ↗ a lot of that negotiation and working

2:37:21 ↗ out hasn't happened with at the staff

2:37:24 ↗ level but you get to weigh in at that

2:37:26 ↗ stage

2:37:28 ↗ where you know this building is too long

2:37:30 ↗ or the shadow issues that came up today

2:37:33 ↗ or the arrangement of the corner that

2:37:36 ↗ that's not all happening at the very

2:37:38 ↗ tail end of the project

2:37:40 ↗ and all these subsidiary little you know

2:37:43 ↗ where is it a stream not a stream how

2:37:45 ↗ many trees are you preserving are

2:37:47 ↗ decisions that are

2:37:49 ↗ you know there's an engaged informed dec

2:37:53 ↗ community engagement happening at an

2:37:54 ↗ earlier stage so that's one motivation

2:37:57 ↗ for looking at how can we do it so we

2:38:00 ↗ can make a meaningful impact from your

2:38:02 ↗ body into the design review you know uh

2:38:05 ↗ into the project review stage

2:38:08 ↗ um the risk assessment question uh it's

2:38:11 ↗ it's

2:38:12 ↗ like lucy said it's because uh you know

2:38:15 ↗ when it's a body making a decision

2:38:17 ↗ there's more chances that you can have

2:38:19 ↗ an ex parte communication that you may

2:38:21 ↗ have to recuse from the decision making

2:38:24 ↗ you you really can go to the site if

2:38:26 ↗ someone walks up to you and starts

2:38:28 ↗ having a conversation you can't have

2:38:30 ↗ that so there are more

2:38:32 ↗ issues related to those kind of things

2:38:35 ↗ that we that can be overcome

2:38:37 ↗ but the biggest risk is if you

2:38:40 ↗ feel very strongly about the project and

2:38:42 ↗ you want to either deny it or

2:38:45 ↗ uh but it is in compliance with the

2:38:46 ↗ criteria adopted criteria where does

2:38:49 ↗ that leave you uh or the city

2:38:52 ↗ so so it's it's it's a complicated thing

2:38:54 ↗ and then the last thing i will add to

2:38:56 ↗ is for the last column that lucy had

2:38:59 ↗ where it's a site development perm or a

2:39:02 ↗ msp permit

2:39:04 ↗ where you're making a recommendation to

2:39:06 ↗ the city council

2:39:08 ↗ the community doesn't understand

2:39:10 ↗ that they can't directly talk to their

2:39:12 ↗ council members so they have council

2:39:15 ↗ members have expressed a concern because

2:39:16 ↗ they're ultimately making a decision on

2:39:19 ↗ a project

2:39:20 ↗ that they are not going to be holding a

2:39:22 ↗ public hearing uh the community doesn't

2:39:25 ↗ understand that they can they're they

2:39:27 ↗ can't write to their electeds so we get

2:39:29 ↗ a barrage of uh emails about a project

2:39:33 ↗ that that the council then has to say

2:39:35 ↗ you know cannot even respond to so there

2:39:37 ↗ are some issues with our pro process

2:39:40 ↗ that we are trying to sort out uh we

2:39:42 ↗ want to help keep your engagement and

2:39:44 ↗ your involvement where it's meaningful

2:39:47 ↗ and it can make a difference

2:39:50 ↗ while meeting all those legal uh issues

2:39:53 ↗ you know whether counting how many trees

2:39:55 ↗ are saved and and verifying that and

2:39:58 ↗ adding that condition is that the role

2:40:00 ↗ that you see yourselves making a

2:40:02 ↗ difference or is it at a stage where and

2:40:04 ↗ again if we get whatever direction we

2:40:07 ↗ choose to go based on the input from you

2:40:09 ↗ and the policy commission and ultimately

2:40:11 ↗ council's decision

2:40:12 ↗ uh we you know we will work through

2:40:15 ↗ some of those details of what this early

2:40:18 ↗ process looks like what is the criteria

2:40:20 ↗ for the early process is it a formal

2:40:23 ↗ recommendation so those details will

2:40:26 ↗ be formed based on some of these early

2:40:28 ↗ conversations and decisions of which

2:40:30 ↗ which way to go

2:40:31 ↗ um

2:40:32 ↗ so that's that's the level of feedback

2:40:34 ↗ we're looking for today

2:40:35 ↗ okay just one more comment follow up on

2:40:37 ↗ that if i may that i'll mute um

2:40:40 ↗ so was it considered that

2:40:42 ↗ uh the option of

2:40:45 ↗ development commission hosting the

2:40:48 ↗ community

2:40:49 ↗ meeting

2:40:50 ↗ and

2:40:50 ↗ the hearing examiner making the final

2:40:52 ↗ decision

2:40:54 ↗ so that in that way we would still have

2:40:55 ↗ access to the public to

2:40:58 ↗ recommend conditions for example but we

2:41:00 ↗ would remove the risk of our culpability

2:41:03 ↗ possibly in making the decision that

2:41:05 ↗ decision would still reside with the

2:41:06 ↗ hearing examiner

2:41:08 ↗ yeah all of those details once we figure

2:41:10 ↗ out the framework of how you know how

2:41:13 ↗ all of these um

2:41:15 ↗ um you know desired outcomes we we

2:41:17 ↗ expect from our process predictability

2:41:20 ↗ in community engagement feedback from an

2:41:23 ↗ expert body like yours

2:41:26 ↗ and those details will have to be worked

2:41:28 ↗ out about how many open you know

2:41:30 ↗ obviously we can't have more than one

2:41:31 ↗ open record hearing but if it's not a

2:41:33 ↗ hearing what is what is what does that

2:41:36 ↗ look like feel like so from a legal

2:41:38 ↗ perspective we'll work out those details

2:41:40 ↗ but at this stage you know at a higher

2:41:42 ↗ level how do we want to

2:41:44 ↗ what are the issues that you see sitting

2:41:46 ↗ on this board and what what are your

2:41:49 ↗ thoughts in terms of improving it

2:41:52 ↗ or keeping it as is if it is working

2:41:55 ↗ i saw a commissioner so

2:41:57 ↗ um commissioner morgan i think you were

2:41:59 ↗ almost raising your hand everybody

2:42:01 ↗ commissioner solo

2:42:03 ↗ well

2:42:04 ↗ it's a little difficult

2:42:05 ↗ it seems like we're being asked to make

2:42:07 ↗ a decision on something that we don't

2:42:09 ↗ know the final the final look of and so

2:42:12 ↗ uh i think we've i i'll just say i think

2:42:15 ↗ the commission has done a a good job

2:42:18 ↗ on on stepping away from their emotional

2:42:21 ↗ sense right or wrong and making

2:42:22 ↗ decisions on following the code and

2:42:25 ↗ making sure that even if we had it even

2:42:28 ↗ if we had feelings one way or the other

2:42:29 ↗ if the code permitted something we we

2:42:32 ↗ uh

2:42:33 ↗ held up the code and so i i guess i

2:42:36 ↗ don't i honestly can't think of very

2:42:38 ↗ many mistakes that we've made

2:42:40 ↗ so i'm i'm not real big on thinking that

2:42:43 ↗ we need to make a whole lot of changes

2:42:48 ↗ mr morgan

2:42:54 ↗ uh you're muted

2:42:58 ↗ yeah i mean

2:42:59 ↗ as you probably know i've

2:43:01 ↗ been on a commission for like a quarter

2:43:03 ↗ century i don't think we've ever been

2:43:05 ↗ sued by

2:43:06 ↗ a developer or anything like that if

2:43:08 ↗ staff does an excellent job of keeping

2:43:10 ↗ us

2:43:11 ↗ in our lane in terms of where our

2:43:13 ↗ decisions can be made

2:43:14 ↗ what we can and can't do and i think

2:43:16 ↗ also that we've done a good job of

2:43:18 ↗ trying to be consistent in the decisions

2:43:20 ↗ we've made between projects as well

2:43:23 ↗ i do think one of the changes i've

2:43:26 ↗ always felt that we are not a technical

2:43:30 ↗ board per se in terms of ditches streams

2:43:34 ↗ some of the environmental questions

2:43:36 ↗ i don't think we're necessarily the

2:43:38 ↗ right body to be making those kind of

2:43:40 ↗ decisions um

2:43:42 ↗ i do wonder if we should be

2:43:44 ↗ transitioning to more of a

2:43:46 ↗ design review board

2:43:48 ↗ like you would see in somewhere like

2:43:49 ↗ seattle where

2:43:51 ↗ what we're looking at is what the public

2:43:53 ↗ will see and that would be in terms of

2:43:55 ↗ form of buildings colors

2:43:58 ↗ access those kind of things what's that

2:44:00 ↗ experience in the community going to be

2:44:02 ↗ like

2:44:03 ↗ and

2:44:04 ↗ i still think we're a better board to

2:44:06 ↗ make those kind of decisions than a

2:44:09 ↗ hearing examiner that essentially is an

2:44:12 ↗ attorney that has to look and say here's

2:44:14 ↗ my interpretation the law regardless of

2:44:17 ↗ what i think the community would prefer

2:44:20 ↗ because i do think it would be tough if

2:44:21 ↗ an applicant came in and said

2:44:24 ↗ hey

2:44:25 ↗ these designs technically meet the code

2:44:29 ↗ you're a hearing examiner you have to

2:44:31 ↗ say if it meets the code it works

2:44:34 ↗ it doesn't matter if the commission said

2:44:37 ↗ they think there's something that should

2:44:38 ↗ be changed about it to fit in better

2:44:43 ↗ and so if we if we end up having the

2:44:44 ↗ design of buildings being at the whim of

2:44:47 ↗ a single attorney to make those

2:44:49 ↗ decisions if they fit in the community i

2:44:52 ↗ don't think is helpful

2:44:53 ↗ i would prefer

2:44:55 ↗ if we make this change maybe it is to

2:44:58 ↗ our decision to become more limited in

2:45:00 ↗ terms of

2:45:01 ↗ say site and building design

2:45:04 ↗ um

2:45:06 ↗ and less in terms of other things like

2:45:09 ↗ rivers crates streams ditches those kind

2:45:12 ↗ of things other technical aspects of it

2:45:14 ↗ that could speed the process and perhaps

2:45:17 ↗ that can be done early in the

2:45:19 ↗ project that we can make our decision so

2:45:21 ↗ they can move forward saying okay we now

2:45:23 ↗ know we have the look of a building and

2:45:26 ↗ design we have so

2:45:28 ↗ my thoughts

2:45:29 ↗ thank you

2:45:33 ↗ are there others that have thoughts

2:45:37 ↗ um commissioner short

2:45:40 ↗ hello

2:45:41 ↗ um the mouse said this was pretty recent

2:45:44 ↗ recommendation have any other agencies

2:45:46 ↗ or cities

2:45:47 ↗ made changes that you guys know of

2:45:53 ↗ in terms of switching to hearing

2:45:55 ↗ examiners is that what you were asking

2:45:57 ↗ yes yeah

2:46:00 ↗ um

2:46:01 ↗ i don't know that we've done a um survey

2:46:04 ↗ i think it is common to have a hearing

2:46:07 ↗ examiner in that position okay

2:46:10 ↗ and and i think like um uh

2:46:13 ↗ you know um commissioner um morgan was

2:46:16 ↗ talking about a lot of cities have

2:46:17 ↗ design review boards and that's what

2:46:20 ↗ they're looking at at this level is

2:46:23 ↗ the design of the building the site

2:46:25 ↗ design all those earlier decisions that

2:46:28 ↗ kind of set the that set the limits so

2:46:31 ↗ so to speak or you know the trees the

2:46:34 ↗ the critical areas decisions are made

2:46:36 ↗ early in the project or like how much

2:46:38 ↗ parking do you need those kind of

2:46:41 ↗ decisions are made earlier

2:46:43 ↗ separate from

2:46:44 ↗ the larger big project

2:46:47 ↗ so each city does it slightly

2:46:48 ↗ differently city of seattle does design

2:46:51 ↗ review in two different stages they get

2:46:53 ↗ it earlier guidance so when it's easier

2:46:56 ↗ to make some of those larger changes

2:46:58 ↗ like move your building here to there as

2:47:00 ↗ opposed to just fix this material from a

2:47:03 ↗ to b

2:47:04 ↗ so they do it in a two-part the design

2:47:06 ↗ review part

2:47:07 ↗ um

2:47:08 ↗ but a lot of um conditional use permits

2:47:12 ↗ other kind of things uh are a hearing

2:47:14 ↗ examiner and that you know that has been

2:47:16 ↗ a practice for a lot of cities for a

2:47:17 ↗ long time

2:47:20 ↗ would the hearing examiner be involved

2:47:23 ↗ earlier in the process or just at the

2:47:24 ↗ final decision

2:47:27 ↗ um

2:47:28 ↗ generally they hold the public hearing

2:47:29 ↗ and make a decision at the end

2:47:32 ↗ okay

2:47:34 ↗ but there there is a wide variety of

2:47:36 ↗ community engagement that happens

2:47:37 ↗ earlier than that so you have a notice

2:47:39 ↗ of application staff collects those

2:47:41 ↗ comments um can have an open house so

2:47:44 ↗ community engagement can take a

2:47:46 ↗ different different form in different

2:47:48 ↗ ways

2:47:51 ↗ the other end of this spectrum too is

2:47:53 ↗ you can

2:47:54 ↗ transfer more of the decision making to

2:47:56 ↗ the director so

2:47:58 ↗ it is

2:47:59 ↗ there's a lot of flexibility in how

2:48:01 ↗ permit processes can be structured and

2:48:03 ↗ where the decision making falls there

2:48:05 ↗ are some things that are

2:48:07 ↗ driven by

2:48:08 ↗ state statute but a lot of local

2:48:10 ↗ authority on how permit processes work i

2:48:13 ↗ will admit that the is a cooperate

2:48:15 ↗ process is can be

2:48:17 ↗ um a little unpredictable it's a

2:48:19 ↗ challenging one there are a number of

2:48:20 ↗ steps and for a developer that's

2:48:23 ↗ um

2:48:24 ↗ that adds risk and time and so that

2:48:25 ↗ costs money so that so you want to make

2:48:27 ↗ sure that there's value added i think in

2:48:29 ↗ the way that the process is structured

2:48:32 ↗ i i the comments about early engagement

2:48:34 ↗ that is that is where we clearly have

2:48:38 ↗ more influence in

2:48:40 ↗ shaping a project including things where

2:48:43 ↗ it is the voice of the citizen that

2:48:45 ↗ we're playing here or the community

2:48:47 ↗ saying

2:48:47 ↗ you know how does it fit how does it

2:48:49 ↗ look is it compatible with the things

2:48:51 ↗ that are going on around it and in all

2:48:53 ↗ honesty some of those comments are not

2:48:56 ↗ driven by specific codes they're driven

2:48:58 ↗ by

2:48:59 ↗ we people that live in and visit the

2:49:02 ↗ community on a regular basis um are

2:49:05 ↗ experiencing that and so i think the

2:49:06 ↗ commission can provide that kind of

2:49:08 ↗ voice and influence

2:49:10 ↗ um i think there's uh commissioner

2:49:13 ↗ morgan's point about

2:49:14 ↗ clarity of of the role of the commission

2:49:17 ↗ it has been challenging at times to

2:49:19 ↗ understand how far we go down the

2:49:21 ↗ technical path on transportation or

2:49:24 ↗ environmental and critical areas

2:49:27 ↗ etc so

2:49:29 ↗ i think anything that you can do to

2:49:31 ↗ define more clearly the role the

2:49:33 ↗ commission plays i think would

2:49:36 ↗ one reduce

2:49:38 ↗ the risk factor and add some more

2:49:39 ↗ clarity in the process but also add some

2:49:42 ↗ efficiency i think that you were talking

2:49:43 ↗ about and

2:49:45 ↗ the risk um

2:49:46 ↗ too although i will agree i think we've

2:49:48 ↗ been appealed but we have not been sued

2:49:51 ↗ that i know of um

2:49:53 ↗ so i i do think the commission plays has

2:49:56 ↗ played an important role and should

2:49:57 ↗ continue to play an important voice here

2:50:00 ↗ um

2:50:01 ↗ backing out the decision-making

2:50:03 ↗ authority as the under the

2:50:05 ↗ quasi-judicial role that we have played

2:50:07 ↗ over the years

2:50:09 ↗ it does have an influence on

2:50:11 ↗ the influence that the commission has if

2:50:13 ↗ you are not the ultimate decision maker

2:50:15 ↗ and that goes elsewhere so i think if if

2:50:18 ↗ this does

2:50:19 ↗ head down the path of of taking that

2:50:22 ↗ decision-making authority and placing it

2:50:24 ↗ elsewhere either with the director or

2:50:26 ↗ with a

2:50:27 ↗ hearing examiner

2:50:29 ↗ try to build we need to try to build in

2:50:32 ↗ strength of influence i think that this

2:50:34 ↗ commission would have in in reviewing

2:50:37 ↗ those projects and ensuring

2:50:39 ↗ that they do fit within the community

2:50:41 ↗ community and the code

2:50:43 ↗ so i am

2:50:45 ↗ you know this one like you said

2:50:48 ↗ is complicated on a lot of levels uh

2:50:51 ↗ because you've got multiple interests

2:50:52 ↗ that were

2:50:53 ↗ that you're trying to balance as you

2:50:55 ↗ rethink the process here so it's not a

2:50:58 ↗ one size fits all but i would

2:51:00 ↗ definitely advocate for maintaining

2:51:03 ↗ strong a level of strong influence by

2:51:05 ↗ the commission on projects because i

2:51:07 ↗ think it has had

2:51:08 ↗ a positive impact on the built

2:51:11 ↗ environment in the city

2:51:14 ↗ other comments

2:51:16 ↗ questions commissioner price

2:51:20 ↗ all right thank you this is commissioner

2:51:21 ↗ price speaking again um i i really do

2:51:24 ↗ appreciate everybody's comments pro and

2:51:26 ↗ con and the thoughtfulness and i get

2:51:29 ↗ both sides of this and i i can think uh

2:51:33 ↗ you know a

2:51:34 ↗ path that

2:51:36 ↗ would be a great outcome in both

2:51:37 ↗ scenarios i i do would like to circle

2:51:40 ↗ back however if we're going to

2:51:42 ↗ float this notion of design review board

2:51:45 ↗ and what a slippery slope that really is

2:51:47 ↗ having served on the city of seattle

2:51:49 ↗ design review board i would contend they

2:51:51 ↗ have little to no

2:51:53 ↗ influence on these projects it's

2:51:55 ↗ basically fast food you would have a two

2:51:58 ↗ hour meeting you would have the the

2:52:00 ↗ applicant presentation public comment

2:52:03 ↗ period and the board would have 15

2:52:05 ↗ minutes to deliberate and decide on a

2:52:08 ↗ project so

2:52:10 ↗ and and frankly you know going back to

2:52:12 ↗ the intangible more emotional component

2:52:14 ↗ of it

2:52:15 ↗ we had very distinct criteria which we

2:52:16 ↗ could weigh in on

2:52:18 ↗ and and we had to stay in that lane

2:52:20 ↗ which is fine i i get that but but that

2:52:23 ↗ lane was so narrow it was already

2:52:25 ↗ pre-prescribed in the code and these

2:52:27 ↗ buildings are going to look how they're

2:52:28 ↗ going to look just drive to seattle you

2:52:31 ↗ know

2:52:32 ↗ it is what it is you know and it

2:52:34 ↗ endeavors to do a great thing and it

2:52:36 ↗ endeavors to include the public but i

2:52:38 ↗ would also

2:52:39 ↗ argue that the the public didn't really

2:52:41 ↗ have that much influence so if we're

2:52:42 ↗ going to introduce that mechanism into

2:52:45 ↗ our process i would just ask us to be

2:52:48 ↗ very careful of how we define that role

2:52:51 ↗ to ensure that we are here to preserve

2:52:53 ↗ enhance and carry forward the image of

2:52:55 ↗ this community as community members

2:52:58 ↗ that are appointed to a commission i i

2:53:01 ↗ think i think it's a critical role i

2:53:03 ↗ could see us not being the decision

2:53:05 ↗ maker but i would also

2:53:08 ↗ not turn this into theater uh which is

2:53:11 ↗ is what i i perceive the design review

2:53:14 ↗ board being

2:53:20 ↗ mr schulte

2:53:23 ↗ thank you chair brennan um i just kind

2:53:25 ↗ of wanted to echo some of the comments

2:53:27 ↗ including commissioner price's comments

2:53:28 ↗ uh having having presented at various

2:53:31 ↗ design review boards um

2:53:33 ↗ uh

2:53:34 ↗ i've seen both the ups and downs

2:53:36 ↗ you know both the positive and negatives

2:53:38 ↗ of it i think one of the big negatives

2:53:39 ↗ was there was actually very little

2:53:41 ↗ community involvement um at the various

2:53:44 ↗ boards i presented at um as an applicant

2:53:46 ↗ in the past and uh

2:53:48 ↗ um you know we want to promote that

2:53:50 ↗ community involvement and

2:53:52 ↗ i think uh when the community knows

2:53:55 ↗ and has a sense for

2:53:57 ↗ you know our ability to provide

2:54:00 ↗ direction and influence

2:54:02 ↗ you know they're more likely to

2:54:03 ↗ participate i think

2:54:05 ↗ i think that's a key component of it um

2:54:08 ↗ i do like what you know commissioner

2:54:09 ↗ morgan and a few others have mentioned

2:54:11 ↗ uh regarding kind of reevaluating um

2:54:14 ↗ you know our role and our scope um

2:54:18 ↗ because uh

2:54:20 ↗ even being on a commission myself there

2:54:22 ↗ always seems like there's gray areas in

2:54:24 ↗ terms of

2:54:25 ↗ you know what can i ask about what can i

2:54:27 ↗ talk about um you know whether it's

2:54:29 ↗ environmental wetland

2:54:31 ↗ um

2:54:33 ↗ again the design reviews board that's

2:54:35 ↗ that i presented that has been focused

2:54:37 ↗ on a lot on you know mass scale bulk you

2:54:40 ↗ know the building itself the design the

2:54:42 ↗ aesthetics

2:54:43 ↗ um

2:54:44 ↗ and uh again it sounds like we've still

2:54:46 ↗ got a few more details to flesh out but

2:54:48 ↗ just kind of want to reiterate my

2:54:50 ↗ importance of the commission and

2:54:52 ↗ um

2:54:53 ↗ and you know maybe it's

2:54:55 ↗ it

2:54:56 ↗ it's a decision that's made with certain

2:54:58 ↗ conditions

2:54:59 ↗ right maybe it's not a decision

2:55:02 ↗ that's yes or no but um

2:55:05 ↗ you know yes as long as you know a few

2:55:07 ↗ of these conditions are met some along

2:55:09 ↗ the lines like that so

2:55:11 ↗ anyway thank you that was just just my

2:55:13 ↗ thoughts

2:55:18 ↗ just a quick observation on the current

2:55:21 ↗ commission we actually have a fairly

2:55:23 ↗ bright wide breadth of

2:55:25 ↗ experience and

2:55:27 ↗ technical experience too

2:55:30 ↗ so we do have people who have

2:55:32 ↗ knowledge on some of those

2:55:34 ↗ transportation

2:55:36 ↗ utilities environmental

2:55:38 ↗ but that being said that hasn't always

2:55:39 ↗ been the case and

2:55:41 ↗ so part of it is the

2:55:43 ↗ the role commission plays um and

2:55:45 ↗ how effective we are is based on who

2:55:48 ↗ sits on this commission and who's in the

2:55:49 ↗ communities willing to step up but that

2:55:52 ↗ being said

2:55:53 ↗ no matter what the expertise is that's

2:55:56 ↗ on the screen here or on the commission

2:55:58 ↗ everybody's very thoughtful in providing

2:56:00 ↗ that input

2:56:01 ↗ um

2:56:02 ↗ and i've been impressed through the

2:56:04 ↗ years with

2:56:05 ↗ how that has like i said influence

2:56:07 ↗ projects

2:56:08 ↗ and i so

2:56:10 ↗ uh losing that i think would be

2:56:12 ↗ um

2:56:13 ↗ detrimental i think but i get the

2:56:16 ↗ efficiency needs here and i know staff

2:56:18 ↗ spend a lot of hours

2:56:19 ↗ preparing for and and being at these

2:56:22 ↗ commission meetings so

2:56:23 ↗ um it's not just the applicant that is

2:56:26 ↗ paying for this the community pays for

2:56:27 ↗ this as well so

2:56:29 ↗ um with our staff time so other comments

2:56:32 ↗ or questions

2:56:35 ↗ commissioner solo

2:56:37 ↗ well i guess one of the one of the

2:56:40 ↗ pluses for the status quo is the

2:56:42 ↗ comments made by the two public that

2:56:44 ↗ spoke

2:56:45 ↗ and the sense that they gave that said

2:56:47 ↗ basically said they thought that the

2:56:50 ↗ involvement of the commission made for

2:56:52 ↗ better projects not as much as they

2:56:54 ↗ wanted but it made better projects so i

2:56:56 ↗ think i think there's there's some

2:56:58 ↗ recognition there and it seems like

2:57:00 ↗ we've made a real concerted effort to

2:57:03 ↗ encourage as much as we can the public

2:57:05 ↗ to have a participation because they

2:57:07 ↗ have influenced influenced us in a in a

2:57:09 ↗ pretty major way

2:57:14 ↗ yeah the point about

2:57:16 ↗ um commissioner schulte's point and

2:57:18 ↗ yours about promoting that community

2:57:20 ↗ involvement this is a one that has

2:57:23 ↗ successfully done that

2:57:27 ↗ other thoughts

2:57:29 ↗ or questions

2:57:30 ↗ or

2:57:31 ↗ brilliant

2:57:34 ↗ ideas so hearing then we we

2:57:38 ↗ need to decide how we would like to

2:57:40 ↗ communicate our

2:57:41 ↗ thoughts um suggestions interests to the

2:57:44 ↗ planning and policy commission at

2:57:47 ↗ tomorrow night's meeting

2:57:48 ↗ there's kind of a mixture of comments

2:57:51 ↗ here i wasn't able to capture them all

2:57:53 ↗ like lucy i don't know what you thought

2:57:55 ↗ but we need to decide how we want to go

2:57:57 ↗ about doing that so suggestions

2:58:03 ↗ um in person is usually a more effective

2:58:06 ↗ communication form of communication uh

2:58:09 ↗ plus they could be unexpected maybe a

2:58:11 ↗ back and forth

2:58:12 ↗ between

2:58:14 ↗ the ppc and the development commission

2:58:16 ↗ on this

2:58:18 ↗ so i would actually suggest that

2:58:21 ↗ one to three of us

2:58:23 ↗ which was one of the options here

2:58:26 ↗ if we can make time attend the meeting

2:58:28 ↗ tomorrow tomorrow evening and provide

2:58:30 ↗ the voice of the development commission

2:58:36 ↗ unfortunately i've got a prior

2:58:37 ↗ commitment on tomorrow night so

2:58:39 ↗ it might be wise to find out who who

2:58:41 ↗ could be available

2:58:44 ↗ i had a initially indicated i could

2:58:46 ↗ attend mike uh but

2:58:48 ↗ um i have a conflict that i completely

2:58:51 ↗ forgot about so i i have to remove my

2:58:54 ↗ my hat from the ring unfortunately

2:58:57 ↗ is there anybody that has a passion that

2:58:59 ↗ would like to

2:59:01 ↗ um speak

2:59:05 ↗ i can't attend tomorrow

2:59:09 ↗ could you say again i missed

2:59:11 ↗ you can't or

2:59:13 ↗ i cannot you cannot okay thank you

2:59:15 ↗ commissioner short

2:59:17 ↗ commissioner morgan

2:59:20 ↗ you're muted you're muted

2:59:22 ↗ commissioner morgan you're muted

2:59:26 ↗ um

2:59:27 ↗ unfortunately i'm available

2:59:29 ↗ um so

2:59:31 ↗ uh i would i would be happy to

2:59:33 ↗ to attend i know i'm just an alternate

2:59:35 ↗ now but be happy to attend

2:59:39 ↗ all right

2:59:41 ↗ but would like compatriots with me if i

2:59:43 ↗ did i'm also available it'll make my

2:59:45 ↗ third night meeting this week but so but

2:59:47 ↗ right

2:59:48 ↗ so

2:59:50 ↗ um but yes i'd be happy to represent the

2:59:52 ↗ commission as well we have to decide

2:59:55 ↗ collectively i guess what

2:59:57 ↗ we can just try to

2:59:58 ↗ restate some of the comments that were

3:00:00 ↗ made this evening

3:00:02 ↗ from

3:00:03 ↗ you know strongly in support of really

3:00:06 ↗ maintaining a

3:00:07 ↗ status quo to

3:00:10 ↗ at a minimum strong influence remains

3:00:13 ↗ with whatever structure comes comes

3:00:15 ↗ forward

3:00:17 ↗ ultimately the count city council makes

3:00:19 ↗ the decision on the code amendments

3:00:21 ↗ is that

3:00:22 ↗ how

3:00:25 ↗ yeah so the formal recommendation would

3:00:27 ↗ be from the planning and policy

3:00:28 ↗ commission to city council who will then

3:00:31 ↗ adopt the code but it's a long ways off

3:00:33 ↗ i mean you do you know this is the first

3:00:35 ↗ time we're kind of having this

3:00:37 ↗ conversation about the process so

3:00:39 ↗ based on this feedback we're going to

3:00:41 ↗ write it up in the code and and there'll

3:00:43 ↗ be a formal public hearing with the

3:00:45 ↗ planning and policy commission and your

3:00:47 ↗ involvement at that point uh sometime in

3:00:49 ↗ in spring or april um or may of next

3:00:53 ↗ year so there's a little bit of time to

3:00:55 ↗ kind of figure this out this is our

3:00:56 ↗ early guidance from which way to go so

3:00:59 ↗ we can start working through the code

3:01:01 ↗ language uh if changes need to be made

3:01:03 ↗ and where we can improve the process

3:01:11 ↗ any advice for

3:01:14 ↗ commissioner morgan in me for tomorrow

3:01:16 ↗ night

3:01:18 ↗ yes so there are six topics tomorrow

3:01:21 ↗ night uh all on process and procedures

3:01:24 ↗ so one is the public notice how will we

3:01:26 ↗ notifying people

3:01:28 ↗ uh what are the minimum thresholds for

3:01:29 ↗ cpa

3:01:30 ↗ then the third one is who makes the

3:01:32 ↗ decision um part that we are talking to

3:01:35 ↗ you about today

3:01:36 ↗ then we also want to talk about bundling

3:01:39 ↗ everything together as one big approval

3:01:41 ↗ at the end or do we want to have some of

3:01:43 ↗ these decisions made earlier about

3:01:47 ↗ critical areas or trees so there's that

3:01:49 ↗ topic and then the last one is

3:01:52 ↗ we have an assortment of administrative

3:01:54 ↗ adjustment of standards that we issue

3:01:57 ↗ and

3:01:57 ↗ and different criteria and you know and

3:02:00 ↗ whatnot so we're asking

3:02:02 ↗ which ones should stay which ones need

3:02:05 ↗ to go

3:02:06 ↗ um so so it's a it's a lengthier

3:02:08 ↗ conversation this is what we shared with

3:02:10 ↗ you today is a piece of that

3:02:15 ↗ would you like us to provide any input

3:02:18 ↗ on some of those other questions about

3:02:19 ↗ the 300 versus 500 feet and the

3:02:23 ↗ option for any

3:02:25 ↗ input any and all important feedback is

3:02:28 ↗ welcome

3:02:29 ↗ okay

3:02:31 ↗ commissioner schulte

3:02:33 ↗ uh yeah i just quick question what time

3:02:35 ↗ was that uh meeting tomorrow and is that

3:02:37 ↗ are you would we be joining as panelists

3:02:39 ↗ or is this something that we would call

3:02:41 ↗ in as a as a member and and speak up uh

3:02:44 ↗ during the public opportunity

3:02:48 ↗ i think we can make you panelists okay i

3:02:51 ↗ i'm not sure if i'm able to make it

3:02:52 ↗ that's why i asked so what yeah we would

3:02:55 ↗ send you a link right lucy i mean i can

3:02:58 ↗ uh once i know who the uh

3:03:01 ↗ which commissioners are intending to

3:03:03 ↗ attend i would share that with kristin

3:03:05 ↗ leeson who is

3:03:07 ↗ plays my role at ppc as the staff

3:03:09 ↗ liaison and she could send out

3:03:12 ↗ invitations

3:03:14 ↗ okay yeah we can't have more than three

3:03:16 ↗ otherwise we have a quorum and that

3:03:18 ↗ would require nothing

3:03:20 ↗ okay

3:03:24 ↗ other um from the comments i think if if

3:03:27 ↗ commissioner schulte

3:03:29 ↗ represents the third i i we haven't

3:03:32 ↗ heard from

3:03:33 ↗ [Music]

3:03:34 ↗ sanford and dylan um i believe i'm not

3:03:37 ↗ to put anyone on the spot um but if

3:03:40 ↗ there are two definites and one maybe we

3:03:43 ↗ can always send out um invitations to

3:03:46 ↗ the three of you um if there are three

3:03:49 ↗ definites then

3:03:50 ↗ maybe that would be the choice

3:03:52 ↗ okay

3:03:53 ↗ if someone else is interested i i will

3:03:55 ↗ defer um and if not then i i'll need to

3:03:59 ↗ get back to you a little bit later lucy

3:04:01 ↗ before before the meeting just to

3:04:02 ↗ confirm if i'm if i'm able to or not

3:04:07 ↗ so i i guess i would ask um commissioner

3:04:10 ↗ sanford and commissioner dylan you're

3:04:12 ↗ interested in participating

3:04:14 ↗ i don't have a great passion for it i

3:04:16 ↗ would trust our city representative to

3:04:18 ↗ carry forward all the notes she's been

3:04:20 ↗ assiduously making tonight however if

3:04:23 ↗ required i will serve thanks

3:04:26 ↗ thank you commissioner sanford

3:04:29 ↗ um i i would also be a maybe

3:04:32 ↗ and i

3:04:34 ↗ i feel like without having the history

3:04:36 ↗ of having gone through this process that

3:04:38 ↗ there there are others who would provide

3:04:41 ↗ more

3:04:41 ↗ more valuable feedback in that spot so i

3:04:44 ↗ would

3:04:47 ↗ i would not

3:04:48 ↗ prefer to be a representative

3:04:53 ↗ okay

3:04:54 ↗ so i have

3:04:55 ↗ commissioner morgan and i guess me um as

3:04:59 ↗ a confirmed

3:05:00 ↗ and a

3:05:02 ↗ couple other potentials so

3:05:06 ↗ um

3:05:08 ↗ why don't we i'm just wondering how we

3:05:09 ↗ deal with we can only have we don't want

3:05:11 ↗ to have four show up but we've got a

3:05:14 ↗ public meet open public meetings

3:05:15 ↗ violations we're gonna avoid that so why

3:05:18 ↗ don't we um

3:05:20 ↗ do

3:05:21 ↗ commissioner schulte if you're available

3:05:23 ↗ um you can want to notice

3:05:26 ↗ lucy commissioner schulte commissioner

3:05:28 ↗ morgan and myself

3:05:30 ↗ and if commissioner schulte if you can

3:05:31 ↗ make it great if not

3:05:33 ↗ um mr morgan i'm sure we'll do an

3:05:35 ↗ outstanding job representing and i'll do

3:05:37 ↗ my best

3:05:39 ↗ thank you

3:05:40 ↗ we'll let you know asap

3:05:42 ↗ okay

3:05:46 ↗ so i think um

3:05:51 ↗ i think that gets us to

3:05:54 ↗ reports and city council updates

3:05:57 ↗ thanks everybody for that conversation

3:06:00 ↗ um

3:06:01 ↗ uh i think of one thing uh

3:06:04 ↗ minnie may have some others that she

3:06:06 ↗ wants to identify

3:06:08 ↗ uh on monday i would just tell you that

3:06:10 ↗ the uh

3:06:11 ↗ council passed a few

3:06:14 ↗ um

3:06:15 ↗ conforming amendments to the sign code

3:06:20 ↗ it has demonstrated all the challenges

3:06:22 ↗ that we have found

3:06:24 ↗ with code writing where things are

3:06:26 ↗ dripped and drabbed around various

3:06:28 ↗ sections

3:06:29 ↗ and sign regulations are put into nine

3:06:32 ↗ non-side code chapters

3:06:35 ↗ and uh code publishing as they were

3:06:38 ↗ preparing to publish the sign code

3:06:40 ↗ discovered some of those and so uh that

3:06:43 ↗ was um

3:06:45 ↗ approved on the consent agenda on monday

3:06:49 ↗ minnie is there any other uh council

3:06:51 ↗ action no no i i think i just want to

3:06:54 ↗ thank everyone for the lateness of the

3:06:55 ↗ hour and and you know and your time

3:06:58 ↗ tomorrow as well so appreciate

3:07:00 ↗ everyone's expertise and time thank you

3:07:05 ↗ our pleasure to serve of course

3:07:07 ↗ is there any other business or

3:07:09 ↗ announcements

3:07:11 ↗ uh the only other thing i would add uh

3:07:14 ↗ is that um

3:07:16 ↗ we have a permit that we think will be

3:07:19 ↗ coming up maybe in late december or uh

3:07:22 ↗ early next year which is the brown bear

3:07:24 ↗ car wash

3:07:25 ↗ uh so that will uh should be coming to

3:07:28 ↗ you uh soon

3:07:30 ↗ and we expect that um providence heights

3:07:34 ↗ wouldn't return until what wouldn't come

3:07:37 ↗ to you until probably february at the

3:07:40 ↗ earliest

3:07:42 ↗ okay

3:07:43 ↗ so this may be our final meeting for

3:07:46 ↗ this year

3:07:48 ↗ i believe that's true

3:07:50 ↗ um because uh

3:07:54 ↗ there are no ppc meetings i think you're

3:07:56 ↗ attending in uh december

3:07:59 ↗ commissioner shore had her hand up

3:08:02 ↗ holiday break even

3:08:04 ↗ excellent

3:08:06 ↗ sorry just a quick question the um

3:08:09 ↗ the hearing examiner development

3:08:10 ↗ commission that those changes when would

3:08:12 ↗ those take effect

3:08:16 ↗ is there a rough timeline or

3:08:18 ↗ end of next year beginning

3:08:20 ↗ of

3:08:21 ↗ 2023

3:08:22 ↗ um

3:08:23 ↗ i mean we're anticipating the public

3:08:25 ↗ hearing

3:08:26 ↗ in august and maybe september next year

3:08:30 ↗ and that's when it goes to

3:08:32 ↗ council after that

3:08:37 ↗ so

3:08:38 ↗ um

3:08:40 ↗ one more i i guess one more since we

3:08:42 ↗ don't we won't be meeting again most

3:08:44 ↗ likely this year

3:08:46 ↗ um i heard rumor that

3:08:48 ↗ the recording secretary susan lowe who

3:08:50 ↗ has been

3:08:52 ↗ helping with the

3:08:54 ↗ keeping track of all the things we do

3:08:56 ↗ and say for a long time and she is

3:08:58 ↗ absolutely outstanding is retiring so i

3:09:02 ↗ just wanted to

3:09:03 ↗ tell susan on behalf of the entire

3:09:05 ↗ commission um

3:09:07 ↗ thank you for all you've done your work

3:09:09 ↗ is

3:09:10 ↗ amazing um how you capture um in a very

3:09:13 ↗ understandable way and very rarely do we

3:09:17 ↗ find an issue with the minutes so

3:09:19 ↗ um best of luck to you and best wishes

3:09:21 ↗ in your next adventure in retirement

3:09:27 ↗ i i

3:09:28 ↗ i had not heard that about susan

3:09:31 ↗ retiring and i just have to add on to

3:09:34 ↗ that i mean

3:09:35 ↗ uh susan you have done incredible work

3:09:38 ↗ for a very long time

3:09:40 ↗ and unlike

3:09:42 ↗ some of us i'm

3:09:43 ↗ but by which i mean me you had to pay

3:09:46 ↗ attention to the whole meeting all the

3:09:47 ↗ time

3:09:50 ↗ so yeah it's always it's extreme

3:09:52 ↗ pleasure to work with you do an amazing

3:09:55 ↗ job you will be definitely missed so

3:09:57 ↗ thank you

3:09:58 ↗ absolutely echo that

3:10:01 ↗ thank you

3:10:03 ↗ thanks susan and

3:10:05 ↗ with that um

3:10:07 ↗ we will adjourn a meeting at 9 40.

3:10:09 ↗ thanks everybody have a

3:10:11 ↗ good rest of you

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Michael Brennan, Chair Lucy Sloman, Land Planning Manager Kevin Price, Vice Chair Holly Keeton, Senior Planner Richard Sanford Richard Sowa Applicant Team Present: Patty Dillon Carl Shorett, Development Director, Brooke Shore AvalonBay Communities Arthur Schulte Derek Bottles, Vice President, Avalon Mel Morgan, Alternate Bay Communities Scott Crosby, Ankrom Architects Members Not Present: Megan Kim, Ankrom Architects Jon Ikeda, Alternate (Excused) Scott Brainard, Ecologist, Wetland Resources, Inc. Christina Merten, Ecology