Good evening everyone. We're going to
call the January 22nd Planning Policy
Commission meeting to order and it
currently is right on the dot 6:30 p.m.
Today's meeting is a hybrid meeting. The
planning policy commission is in person,
but staff or members of the public may
be attending virtually or in person. Uh
Kristen, do we have a quorum this
evening?
>> We do. And commissioners Zacharov and
Patterson are excused.
>> Okay. And we might see and I do see
Commissioner Millinder Irwin. So,
perfect timing.
Okay. Give her a second to get settled
and then we'll look at the minutes.
All right. So, our first item of
business this evening is to take action
to approve the minutes for the January
8th, 2026 PPC meeting. Um,
commissioners, and there any corrections
to the draft minutes that were provided
in your agenda packet?
Hearing none. Seeing none, uh, those
minutes are approved. We're going to
move on right now to public comment. And
tonight we're actually holding a public
hearing. So, we're going to have two
opportunities to speak. Right now, we
just ask for uh those who would wish to
speak speak in general terms, speak uh
for the good of the order. Um, but if
you actually are here to speak on the
adoption of this year's amendments,
you'll want to wait till we get to the
public hearing.
Has anyone signed up to speak this
evening?
>> I do have two
um people that have signed up. I'm not
sure if they are for the general public
comments or um the public comments.
>> Sure. Um I guess I'm looking and do we
have any virtual speakers?
>> We do not.
>> Okay. So to those of you in the
audience, are you here to speak
generally or for the public hearing? I'm
not sure who signed up.
Oh, fair enough. That check-in sheet
gets everybody. Okay. So, no general
comments,
specific ones for the public hearing.
Perfect. Okay. All right. Um, then we're
going to skip over the public comment
guidelines for the moment so we can move
on
and we are going to begin that public
hearing. This is our first item of
regular business and we are holding a
hearing regarding the docket of proposed
comprehensive plan amendments. The
purpose of this public hearing is to
provide a formal opportunity for the
public to comment on that docket.
We'll open the public hearing which will
be followed by a presentation from staff
and then the PPC will have an
opportunity to ask follow-up questions.
After that, we'll take public testimony,
close the public hearing, and then the
planning policy commission will
deliberate and make a recommendation on
this item. Kate Kaney, our principal
planner, will be presenting tonight. So,
Kate, when you are ready, please go
ahead.
Okay. Apologies for the delay.
Everything set up here. Okay. Um, thank
you. Um, and good evening. My name is
Kate Kaney and I am here to provide an
overview of the proposed 2026 docket of
comprehensive plan amendment. I will
also discuss a little bit about the
amendment process.
So, we are here not only to uh have the
public hearing on the 2026 docket of
proposals, but also to provide an
opportunity for the commission to
deliberate and uh provide their
recommendation on proposals to forward
to council. Uh tonight is not uh for the
commissioners. It's not about approving
items on the docket. It's about uh
forwarding a recommendation for council
to establish the proposals on the final
docket which will receive further
analysis and consideration through an
amendment process in the next in
throughout this this year.
So in terms of a little background um
both the state and the city have
requirements for amending the
comprehensive plan. The state requires
cities to establish a process so that
the comprehensive plan can be open to
the public and that changes can be made.
Those changes are limited to one time a
year. Amendments just once a year. Um
the amendment process is sometimes
called a docket process. Docket meaning
list, reviewing the list of proposals.
Um the city in the city's code um also
establishes procedures and criteria for
amending the comprehensive plan. The
criteria is established for private the
evaluation of privately initiated
amendments and as discussed with the
commissioners at their last meeting um
there were no proposals received from uh
private individuals or groups this year.
So all of the proposed amendments are um
initiated by the city. Um the code also
um establishes uh procedures for how the
docket will be reviewed um at this
preliminary phase, how council will
establish a final docket uh and it moves
through the amendment process after
that.
So tonight um I will give an overview of
the five city initiated proposals. Uh I
will go through in the next slides each
proposal one by one.
Starting with this first amendment. Um
this uh proposal uh has two goals
really. Um and they both have to do with
the land use designations that are in
the comprehensive plan. So what is a
land use designation? Um you can see on
the screen uh the the brightly colored
squares those are from the legend um of
that comprehensive plan map that you see
to the right. The land use designations
and there are nine in Isiqua identify
the type of development and land use
that's allowed in certain areas and the
comprehensive plan map that you see um
illustrates where those land use
designations allow those certain uses.
So the the goals of this proposal are to
um add descriptions full descriptions of
the land use designations and also to
add information that identifies um the
land use designations and how they are
implemented by specific zones um from
the zoning map and from the land use um
code. So
whoops, sorry about that. um
that table. Uh this is that second part
uh of the amendment uh that lists those
nine land use designations and their
comparable zones. And the reason that
this is important is to make sure that
there's consistency between the type of
land uses allowed through land use
designations in the comprehensive plan
and the types of zones and zoning that
are in the zoning code. State law
requires that development regulations
implement the comprehensive plan. So
this helps us increase consistency
between those two things.
Okay. Now uh the second amendment um
also has to do with land use
designations and zones. This proposal
actually was on the docket in 2025 last
year, but there were not enough staff
resources to fully address and implement
uh this amendment. So, the goal here is
to clarify the names of the lowdensity
and multifamily land use and zoning
designations to ensure compliance with
the state's middle housing requirements
and also to clarify their role and their
capabilities. Um what you can see in the
table to the right is low density
residential is one of the designations.
That designation also allows middle
housing uses but you don't see low to
moderate or that kind of name change. So
staff will be evaluating name changes uh
for both the land designations and the
zones to clarify the capabilities of
both designations.
Okay. So proposal number three
um this proposal would um update
uh the uh the goals and the plan
actually would update uh the policies
for Isiqua's regional growth center. So
just uh to give folks an idea of where
the growth center is. If you look at the
map to the right, you can see the you
can see Isiqua with the black boundary.
And in that central area in the purple,
that is the boundary identified in the
central Isiqua plan for the central
Isiqua neighborhood. Within that
neighborhood, that green um shaded area
is the city's designated regional growth
center. And that growth center was
designated by the Puet Sound Regional
Council in 2015. That designation um is
part of a uh larger system of regional
growth centers across the region and
with it are some requirements from Puget
Sound Regional Council um that have been
changed the last few years. And what
this proposal is going to do is to
address some of the the changes in the
in the new plan or policy framework for
the regional growth center from Puget
Sound Regional Council. Um this is kind
of a limited update of things. It's
really to um align the uh information on
our regional growth center with the
population, job and housing targets from
the 2024 major update of Isiqua's
comprehensive plan. Um and uh address
any other issues that arise from uh our
evaluation of the the new Puget Sound
Regional Council goals for regional
growth centers.
Okay. So, the fourth proposal is an
update related to the 2024 park system
plan update. Um, that update uh changed
some of the names uh for things like the
name of this plan. Uh the park system
plan uh it changed the name of the green
necklace concept for open space and
trails that was in just that isqua
central plan. Now the creeks to peaks
concept is a citywide concept and so
there will be some kind of uh
administrative work to change the names
and make sure the nomenclature uh works
across plans. Um there's also an issue
uh that is being looked at by park staff
regarding level of service for parks
facilities. Uh currently it's very
quantitative approach and uh the parks
department is moving into a more
qualitative approach. So we will be
doing some learning and analyzing on
that as uh we work with park staff on
those amendments.
Okay. The last proposal, amendment
number five, um is really a placeholder
uh for potential amendments that may
arise from the work on the Isiqua
climate action plan update that is
taking place this year. So, we are
working closely with the city
sustainability manager on um that
process and this uh set of potential
amendments is available in case uh
anything arises from that plan update
that might lead to a policy change in
the comprehensive plan.
So, that was an overview of the five
proposals um in the 2026 docket. Now I'm
just going to talk through uh some
process uh for this docket itself. Um
tonight's public hearing also the
recommendation from the commissioners uh
is what it will be happening tonight.
February 3rd is scheduled for the
council committee. The planning
development and environment committees
review and recommendation. And then on
February 23rd the uh proposals and
recommendations will go to the full
council for action. And what council
will be doing is acting on a resolution
to establish the final docket of
proposals that will then be uh taken
through an amendment process.
And this slide outlines what that
amendment process looks like. So after
the final docket has been established,
staff will go back and analyze uh
different things as necessary and draft
the full amendments uh related to each
of those five proposals that I just went
through. Um it will uh start uh
immediately after we hear from council
and go through uh this summer um August
September uh uh probably um I am new
here so I imagine that's when the
process uh will come to a head with full
drafts from um staff and then we will
come back to the public and to the
commission on this review process. Also
a public hearing will be held. There
will be another uh planning, development
and environment committee review and
then city council adoption by the end of
2026.
Uh this is very important um because
again uh cities can only uh amend their
comprehensive plans once a year.
So um some slides that we shared with
the commission uh in advance of their
deliberation at the last meeting um are
included in this deck. considerations uh
before you make your recommendation. Are
the amendments uh proposed? Uh are there
any that are not relevant or necessary?
Um should refinements uh be made to the
end of any of the amendments presented?
Um recommendation uh from the commission
can add, amend or delete the proposals.
So, one last reminder, uh the uh goal
today is not a recommendation on full
amendments, but on the docket items that
you want to forward for further
consideration as part of the final
docket that council will establish.
So,
I believe uh
yes, that was it for my presentation.
>> All right. Well, thank you, Kate. So,
right now again, we're going to open
this up for the commissioners for
clarifying questions. Um, we'll have a
opportunity to type to deliberate and
debate the merits again, but right now
before the public, we want to just make
sure we get all their questions out
there. So, when they make their public
presentation, if they choose to, they
will have all the same information that
we have. So, again, right now,
clarifying questions. Are there any
Commissioner Malberu.
>> Yes, Commissioner Voice. Last time I
looked at the zoning the the city's
zoning maps, I noticed that the that a
uh table that is common in other urban
areas, a table that talks about the
various uses within each zone and for
the commercial properties that was not a
part of the isiqua
uh comprehensive plan. That was not a
part of the isiqua's system. for for
knowing what goes where.
Maybe it was fixed. I don't know. Maybe
it is a part of the whatever this thing
is we're looking at. But if it's not, it
would seem that Isiqua should make sure
that whatever it does
that there's a formula so you can figure
out what uses could go within what
zones.
>> Isiqua does have one. It's in our land
use code. That's where that's where
that's where all cities put them as into
their land use or zoning codes.
>> Okay. It was reintroduced then because
it was I know it was missing for a
period.
>> No, it's it's it's always been in the
land use code.
>> Yes.
>> The table.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> All right. Thank you.
>> And it Sorry, just to clarify what what
may have been confusing is that there
was a table in the comprehensive plan
that had land use designations and the
zones that implemented them. That's what
we're replacing as part of that first
proposal. So maybe the maybe that was
confusing.
>> All right. Thank you, Commissioner
Molber. Any other questions?
>> Okay.
Again, this is pretty technical stuff.
The whole idea is to get this off the
ground so once it's approved, then it
does come back to PBC and we can
deliberate on merits and other things
like that.
All right. Um, we're going to open the
public hearing
and it is currently 6:48 p.m. We're
going to ask uh staff, has anyone signed
up to speak?
>> No, they haven't.
>> Okay. So, no one online
>> and there is no one online.
>> Okay. Now, since we have a few people in
the audience this evening, would anyone
like to speak?
Okay, seeing none, we're close the
public hearing at 6:48 p.m. So, there is
formal action that's requested on this
agenda item. So, before we can even
begin to talk about it, discuss it, we
will need a member of the commission to
make a motion.
Uh, Commissioner. Yeah, Commissioner
Kra, please.
>> I make a motion to approve the docket as
presented today.
>> Is there a second?
>> Commissioner,
>> a second.
>> Thank you, Commissioner Oler.
Okay. So, the motion to recommend
approval of the docket of proposed
comprehensive planned amendments as
presented. Now, we can have some time
for discussion if there is any.
And we should probably start with the
person who made the motion,
>> Commissioner Grass, if you'd like.
>> Um, I think it's pretty straightforward
and we went through this in our last
meeting, so I I'm I feel comfortable
having the staff move forward with what
they present.
>> Great. Thank you, Commissioner Crafts.
>> Would anyone else like to speak?
>> All right. So, to sum it up, again, this
is basically uh just a process. This is
part of it. Again, the idea we're not
actually deliberating about the merits
of this. This is giving the permission
to for it to move forward for council to
uh review it. Ultimately, if it does get
okayed by council, then it does become
staff work which eventually does come
back to the PPC. So again, this is just
a formal process that is undertaken.
Um, all right. So, because there is a
motion on the floor, we'll just repeat
it one more time. Uh, this motion is to
approve the approval of the docket of
proposed comprehensive plan amendments
as presented. All in favor, please say
I.
>> I.
>> I. So, that was unanimous.
Great. Thank you, commissioners.
Um, we are going to move along and the
next item of regular business is we're
going to have a housing 101 session.
It's probably why everybody's here. This
should be a lot of fun introduction to
how uh the city looks at planning and
things like this. So, Kristen Leon, our
planning manager, and Mike Stanganger, a
senior planner with the regional
coalition housing will be presenting on
this topic. Kristen, when you are ready,
please go ahead.
>> Good evening. I'm Kristen Leon, planning
manager with the city of Isiqua. And
yes, it's a it's a housing 101. Uh we
anticipate this year that there will be
several discussions and potentially many
amendments regarding housing and
bringing more housing development into
the city. And so in order to have
informed discussions when those come to
you, we needed to make sure that you all
understand what's behind it all and
what's what's involved in housing in
this area.
So first of all, um topics tonight we're
going to talk about what is affordable
housing, who needs it,
why are we this involved in it, what is
the state and regional planning context
and where do we fit in? and then the
arch arch a regional coalition for
housing and is our relationship and the
roles that we play in housing.
Before we get started,
most of this tonight is going to be
focused on affordable housing, but we
need to recognize that it's not just
about affordable housing. Everybody
needs a housing that they can afford.
So, you run the continuum. The city, we
have our planning department. We work on
the policies and the regulations and the
programs and we work with Arch who helps
us do all of this and to monitor and so
forth and we permit those developments
that come in. We also have our human
services element of this and they work
with homeless and underserved
populations to help them find places to
live to help them find services that
they need. And then we also have our
economic development group who monitors
our investment program that we have that
we call IHIP and they and other funding
that we have to work with developers to
bring developers into the city to see
what we can do to get housing. So that
is all a part of what we like to call
our housing continuum in the city.
So what is affordable housing?
And I'm going to let Mike take over for
a while. So this is Mike Stanganger. Um
I will jump back in in a bit and Feel
free to raise your hands and ask
questions along the way because I will
settle in. Um, this is gonna it's going
to be a long discussion so feel free to
ask questions along the way.
>> Hi and good evening. Um, again my name
is Mike Stanger. I'm a a longtime
planner with a regional coalition for
housing. um helped city staff and uh
city council on a number of uh issues
over the years and um I'm glad to be
back with you and um orienting you
toward this work.
This I will say upfront that there this
is a lot of information. And I know you
probably already feel, you know, the
fire hose effect. And so I'll echo what
Kristen said about feeling very
comfortable to ask questions. Um, even
if we don't get through everything
tonight or you still have questions,
we're happy to come back as often as you
need to or or help as much as as we can.
Usually when um I give presentations of
this nature, the most common the first
question out of people's mouths is what
do we mean by affordable housing? And so
I think there's really two ways that we
uh commonly think of it. the more
general um uh definition to it and the
one that's standardized in state, local,
and federal programs is to think of what
any given household can afford for a
given home. So if there if you're
spending more than 30% of your income on
housing and expenses directly related to
the home then uh the government
considers that to be too much then then
you would be housing cost burdened. And
so we we think a home is affordable
if
uh to uh households who can spend less
than 30% to live there, but is
unaffordable if they uh have to spend
more than their than that to live there.
And so affordability really depends on
the cost of the home that you're talking
about and the h the income of the
household.
But there's a second definition that uh
depending on the context that uh you may
consider you may hear used in a
different way which is that u it's used
to refer specifically to housing that is
cost controlled meaning the there's a
limit on the rent or the uh purchase
price of the home and it's reserved for
people of certain income levels and uh
so that there's a wide range of these
things. Some of them are are we're all
familiar with the um public housing, but
there are other types of subsidized
housing. There are there's affordable
housing uh that is privately owned, but
has uh formal agreements on it to keep
it um cost controlled. And so, and we'll
get into those later. So in some
contexts if I or Chris talk about the
number of affordable housing units we
may be talking about the ones that are
cost controlled with a formal agreement.
But in other context, if we're showing
you data, for example, from the uh that
shows that includes market rate prices,
we may be talking about that
uh the cost of those homes relative to
um a household income. So, um, I hope I
didn't make that more confusing, but um,
it this leads us into a term that may
you may have heard called AMI or area
median income. And so, it's a standard
for comparing the housing costs and
household incomes. As I was mentioning,
the median, of course, is where whatever
you're counting, half of them are below
that number and half are above. So in
this context the median income is one is
where half of the households earn less
and half earn more.
Um
and that is a number that we use to um
not only to measure the affordability of
housing in the housing supply. It's also
used in housing programs to set uh
income limits
uh for that determine who's eligible for
the housing and the uh maximum prices.
That median number is determined by HUD
every year and they do it statistically
um using uh recent data and we will take
that number then and uh turn it into uh
income and expense limits that are for
the current year are shown here. So the
current uh area median income
for a fourperson household in our area
that is King and Snowomage County is
$157,100
and then we u scale it from 100% down to
80% or 50% or 30% or whatever level
uh we're interested in. Um and then
according to the size of the household.
Um so um there are you know um
factors to multiply to get these figures
uh according to the number of people in
the household. So a fourperson household
as I said the median income would be
157,000
dollars. But if it was a oneperson
household at 100% a median then that
income limit would be $110,000.
Now, um, we in a similar way, we take
that $157,000
to set housing prices in our programs.
And the expense limits are based on that
30% maximum that you should spend
towards housing.
And
if the um home has two bedrooms and the
maximum is 100% a median, then the
maximum monthly cost would be 3535
a month. But if it was a studio, it
would be 27.49.
Or if that studio was
a maximum of 50% of median income, then
it would be 1375.
Again,
I don't expect you to get all this all
at once and u or maybe maybe you're way
ahead of me, but um feel free to ask
questions or we can talk about it,
clarify it.
That will help explain the next um set
of uh slides and information. As Kristen
said, everyone needs housing that's
affordable to them.
Um but we find that the uh the lower the
income, the harder it is to find that
affordable housing.
Uh when we were talking about uh
percentages
of the AMI,
then that um as I said uh determines who
would be eligible for different
affordable housing programs.
So, we're interested uh from a planning
perspective on who is served by those at
those income levels. And this data from
the uh state employment security
division tells us who um what are
typical wages or earnings for um jobs
that are common in our communities.
often comes up in conversations of those
that we want to make sure are um able to
find affordable housing.
If we apply the those um some of those
standard
uh income limits
or or um such as 80% AMI for one person
or 50 for one person. So we're just
talking about the income of one person
here. registered nurse, for example,
typically makes u more than 80% of
median income and so does a typical
firefighter.
But a typical construction worker
uh makes less than 80 but more than 50%
of AMI. Same for a waitress or a waiter.
uh retail salespeople and home health
care personal aids in this survey uh
make less than 50% of median income
if they're a oneperson household
uh but more than 30% of median income
and minimum wage is set so that if a
person is making minimum wage and living
alone then their income is just above
30% AMI
does that make sense
Now, this uh chart uh is meant to
illustrate across our sub region, our
East King County, which arch uh
encompasses
um and compare the affordability of
housing units and the incomes of
households.
Oops.
So, um
down here there are um about 8% of the
households in East King County make less
than 10% of AMI
and only about 2% of the housing units
in East King County are affordable at
that level. that follow.
Um, similarly at between 30 and 50% of
median income, you're looking at about
6% of the households
uh fit into that income group, but only
about 4% of the housing units are
affordable.
between 50 and 80 AMI, those numbers are
pretty similar.
But when you get above 80% of median,
what we start to think of as moderate or
higher income, then you've got more
housing units that are
um that are affordable at higher income
levels and fewer households. So what
ends up happening, as you can imagine,
is that because there's more households
with lower incomes, they're going to
have to buy up. In other words, they're
paying more. They're living in more
expensive housing.
And the result of that is that if you
look at the households
grouped by income level, you find that
you can find how many are paying more
than 30% or in some cases more than 50%
of their incomes on housing. Again, this
is across East King County. And in that
lowest income group below 30% AMI,
77%
are paying more than half of their
income for their housing
and nine another 9% are paying more than
uh 30%. So that's a total of 86%
are housing cost burden. If you're
paying more than 50% of your income on
housing,
that's known as severe housing cost
burden and that's a level which is can
be really unsustainable. Those are
people who are in danger of losing their
housing.
Um the higher up you go on the income
scale, the better that picture looks,
not surprisingly.
But even um at 50% of median or 80% of
median, we still have high uh
percentages of um households who are
cost burdened.
If you break that down even further, you
find that that cost burden uh falls uh
frequently on single parents with
children,
uh senior renters,
um and uh we could also look at people
of color and so on. Um the typical rent
uh was less than $1,700 10 years ago and
uh it's increased more than $1,000 since
then.
And if you're interested in Isqua, which
of course you are, um you'll see that
the data are very similar to East King
County overall.
And so we then start thinking about um
what kind of housing can address the
needs of people at various incomes and
particularly what kinds of affordable
housing.
Um that is the ones that have the cost
controls and income limits.
At the lowest income levels,
uh 0 to 30 especially and 30 to 50
typically uh uh require some sort of um
subsidy, public subsidy often. And so,
and that's where you'll also find um
housing for people with uh special
needs, as it's often called, permanent
supportive housing that provides
services, emergency transitional
housing, um other subsidized rental
housing.
Um we won't go into what uh tax credit
housing is, but those that's a federal
uh tax incentive program.
Most anything up to 50% of median uh
most affordable housing is created
through some sort of subsidy uh program.
Now, you can achieve 50% AMI with land
use incentives and t local tax
incentives, and we'll talk about that,
but it's it's um
it's not as common. When you get into
the 50 to 80% range, then um
that's where uh land use and tax
incentives at the local level the city
of Isqua could control um
uh come into play. And then from 80 to
120% of median um we also see some uh
land use programs helpful for that. and
uh Kristen will be able to show you uh
where that's been done in Isqua.
So if we stack all these things on top
then you might think that um for
instance if you wanted to to uh provide
more housing for people in that 50 to 80
group such as waiters weight people uh
retail sales construction workers and so
forth. Then um
uh
um sorry, land use and tax incentive
programs can help with that.
Um at lower incomes,
uh we can do some things with land use
and tax incentives, but uh it will
typically take some public money to help
uh create that.
Um now backing up to a bigger picture uh
as um as to what the city can do, what
the city is authorized to do, why the
city
uh needs to do it. Um then uh we want to
talk a little bit about this from the
uh growth management planning framework
that's established in the state of
Washington. And so there's this uh
foundation that starts with the Growth
Management Act, which I'm sure you've
you're familiar with already. Um layered
on top of that are multi-county planning
policies that are established at the um
Central Puget Sound Regional Council
that guide in turn the the counties, the
four counties in the region including
King County to set countywide planning
policies which are directive toward
local comprehensive plans which were
just updated uh in the last year. and
regulations as well. So those all of
your comprehensive planning and uh land
use regulations and so forth are all
acting to uh help fulfill the guidance
of the uh growth management act and
particularly countywide planning
policies
and uh countywide planning policies
recently have taken a more uh
prescriptive turn and um specified in
numerical terms terms the uh numbers of
units that each uh city must plan for
and accommodate in their comp plans and
regulations. So, it's uh I want to
stress here um because there's often a
lot of confusion that the um GMA and
countywide planning policies do not
require that the units be built at a
certain affordability level. they
require that your plans and and
regulations support that kind of
development.
Um but numerically these two charts show
um uh what those numbers look like and
um corresponding to the the um cost
burden analysis that I showed earlier.
the greatest uh requirements are at or
greatest needs are at the lowest income
levels. This um
below 30 PSH stands for again uh
permanent supportive housing
and nonPSH means um ordinary
uh or housing without permanent
supportive uh services.
And then um and the the uh hatched uh
parts of the bars show um what the city
has had to plan for in this most recent
update. And the solid green bars are the
um the units as they existed uh in 2020.
So you can see that the vast majority of
the um the change or increases so to
speak uh need to be planned for at the
lower income levels. And so that's what
makes this a particularly acute
challenge. Um this slide shows the as a
table with the specific numbers. Um, so
the countywide planning policies again
requiring ISQUA to plan for at least or
nearly 3,000 housing units affordable
to households with incomes below 80% of
median income.
Huge challenge.
>> Mike, may I jump in real quick? It's
just our growth targets citywide are
3,500 units and of those all except for
363 have to be within that affordable
uppercase affordable housing range and
the rest can be at market rate. That's a
big number.
>> But again, the challenge is to to plan
for and accommodate them.
You can't control what happens to the
market, but you can be held uh
accountable as a city for uh regulations
that would not allow that to happen.
I see a question.
So if based on what you just said, 90%
of the housing that gets built in isqua
in the in the near term needs to be for
the lowest
uh
income sector.
Then what do they do? Say we're stopping
now that you've we've built the 350.
>> No,
the requirement is that the city's uh
plans and policies regulations make it
possible for that to happen.
not for it to actually happen. I'm I
struggle as a lot of planners do with uh
making this um more clear.
>> Do you have something you want to
>> Sure.
>> add to it? Sure.
>> Yeah. So, we're not we're not developers
and we can't make people build things.
>> We just have to make sure that we have a
big enough sandbox to hold all of the
toys, if that makes any sense. We're not
going to put the toys in there, but we
have to make sure that there's enough
space to hold all of those toys. So, we
have to make sure that all of our zoning
will allow for
um you know 868
units at 30 to 50% AMI. However, a
market rate developer may come in and
put um you know 868 market rate units in
there. We can't control that, but we did
accommodate for it.
I understand.
>> Okay.
>> Now, if if the city uh changed all its
zoning to allow only single family
homes,
that would clearly not accommodate
>> I understand
>> uh housing below 80 AMI. So, that's
where you would be vulnerable to appeals
at the growth management hearing port
and things of that nature.
So um why am I here and uh what is ARCH
exactly?
So ARCH is a partnership of cities on
the east side. Most of those that are
captured in this uh uh blue or purple
line, whatever it is, um not
Snowqualami, Northbend, some the cities
toward the east are not members at this
time, but um ARCH was begun at uh in
1993
uh as a partnership with Belleview,
Redmond, Kirkland, and King County
because at that time, just as now Um
people were up in arms about housing
affordability
and and the uh leaders of those
communities thought that uh you know
none of them could handle it on their
own and maybe it would be a good idea to
think about housing economies as a
regional or a subreional
system and not something that uh
individual cities could do on their own.
Maybe we could pull some money together
and fund some affordable housing
projects. Maybe we could share policies
and ideas for incentivizing affordable
housing, things of that nature. And so
that's what they did. And at um uh
through the rest of the 90s um uh 12
other cities joined Arch and so now we
have 15 cities in King County um as
members.
our uh main um
lines of business, if you will, or uh
focus uh fall into what we might
consider these four areas. The pooling
of funding uh for investing in
affordable housing
is a big one. And uh the second one um
that uh directly involves uh production
and preservation of affordable housing
is uh land use and tax incentives.
That's the area that I know most about.
I know a lot less about the investment
side of it, but um if we go on, you have
questions about that, I'll do the best I
can. Um then monitoring
um and this is an area that we've uh
boosted up in the last several years. So
I just mentioned that to assure you that
once these units are getting created,
we're not just letting them go loose. We
continue to provide the staffing and
oversight to make sure that those homes
are
are serving eligible households and uh
not exceeding the the amount that they
can charge and things of that nature.
So for the for the monitoring just to
let you all know that every house that
is under the arch jurisdiction or every
unit that is under the heart arch
jurisdiction and has been funded by ARCH
has a covenant tied to it and all of
these covenants in our in our land use
code we list minimum requirements for
the affordable housing. So um you know
about materials used inside it has to be
comparable to what is on the market rate
units if it's mixed use on the materials
on the outside. Um, and then there are,
as Mike mentioned, you know, maximum
rental rates and ownership rates. And so
all these covenants are in place
typically for the if they're rental for
the lifetime of the building. And Arch
monitors uses these covenants to help
monitor um and make sure that they're in
compliance with these.
>> And we're always we're always working
for the city. Um we're not an
independent. In fact, we don't we're not
incorporated. We don't the only charter
we have is an interlocal agreement
uh with the city. So uh if I'm here work
talking to you I try to be a um a staff
support for Kristen and for you as if
I'm an Isqua employee and and uh not
just you know some outsider advocate or
something. I'm I'm formerly I'm we are
all City of Belleview employees because
somebody needs to sign our paychecks.
But um
but that's how we look at our role is
being extended staff for each of the
members.
And then the fourth area that um which
we've uh really focused on a lot in the
last few years is to do more outreach
and engagement with communities that uh
need affordable housing in particular.
Um especially communities uh of people
who may not have uh regular or be
accustomed to interacting with
government services or know how to um uh
you know what's available and things
like that. So um a lot of engagement
activities I think have uh opened up our
uh programs to a much wider audience.
Um I know this is getting long so I'll
step through the next couple uh quickly.
um of the of all the the investment
programs, land use tax incentive
programs are both rental and um home
ownership. Um right now we have upwards
of 2600
uh affordable apartments that we
monitor. Um and uh I think the number is
about 900 uh units in the home ownership
program. A great number of those are in
as well.
On the investment side,
um the pool pooling of funding that I
mentioned began with the housing the
arch trust fund uh on a voluntary basis.
Arch members will contribute to th to
that annually. Sometime some of that
comes from general funding. Some of it
comes from other sources. Um, it's
collected over $120 million since 1992
and helped fund over 6,000 units across
the region.
Um, Isiqua
uh just a couple of years ago
established the IHIP that Kristen
mentioned earlier and that is funded by
a a tenth of a penny on the sales tax
established through state law and uh
another sales tax s funding source uh
mentioned there is HB1406
uh development bonus program also
collects some inlies and um so that's
another local pool that is uh that the
city um controls directly.
Do you want to add anything to that
right now?
>> Last year was the first year we were
able to use those funds through
applications and it went to uh LEO the
life enrichment options and they
purchased a house in Isiqua and we paid
for half of that. that was used I hit
funds and then this year we had three
applicants for IHIT funds and those are
actually going to city council soon.
Um, I don't want to uh go through this
uh step by step, but this kind of maps
out different tools or or funding
sources and uh what they what income
levels they typically help support.
LIHTC is that um low-income housing tax
credit program uh of the federal
government that is operated through the
state of Washington um that I mentioned
earlier and the uh arch trust fund IHIP
King County has its own sources um and
typically when we're talking about
subsidized housing uh they want a single
project will layer
several of these sources along with
their own other uh uh investments
um independent of outside of government
uh oftentimes and uh in order to make a
subsidized project work.
Um
now the idea of the uh uh arch trust
fund long-term
is I said that the the um the
contributions by the members were made
voluntarily each year and um
uh projects are awarded each year um
based on proposals that we get from the
um developers
And um the idea long term is that where
the money comes in and goes back out
um in proportion to where to its
sources. But um
any given project in Isiqua for example
will be funded by not only Isiqua but
Belleview, Redmond, Kirkland who you
know what uh and usually we try
um now we try to get a little bit from
every city into every project.
There's a little mapping to show uh not
only the location of the projects but
where um units of different types or are
serving different populations I I should
say uh have turn out. So, um although my
color vision isn't that great, but um
uh many projects will be a mix of family
uh housing reserved for families for
people with special needs or people
exiting homelessness and or seniors. Um
and so you can see how those are
distributed geographically.
Just a few pictures of of u these are
mostly garden apartments. Although the
Cambridge Court project in Belleview is
actually um uh housing built by a
church-based
um
a church-based nonprofit in Belleview
that serves seniors.
I talked about uh well actually I'm
gonna
Where' the land use one go?
Inclusionary zoning. Yeah, I'd like to
to do this and then come back. Is that
all right?
Um
Oh, this is yours. Sorry.
Well, I was going to say that um from a
land use perspective, there are there
are voluntary approaches and mandatory
approaches. And voluntary meaning that
the city will offer an incentive of some
sort to a developer to make some of the
units in the project affordable.
Maybe you give uh the city would give,
okay, your height limit is five stories
now, but we'll let you build six stories
or seven stories if you make 10% of the
afford units affordable at some
percentage of AMI.
That's a voluntary approach. It's up to
the developer whether to accept it or
not. The mandatory approach is to say,
you know, we're going to give you the
right to build to six or seven stories
and in exchange you will have to give us
10% of the units at that affordability
level. So now the choice is has been
made by the city
and um this city's authorized to do that
because uh as long as the value that
you're giving uh in that up zone is
equal or greater than the value that
you're getting back in the affordable
housing. So, we're very careful when we
uh do analysis for cities to um to uh
measure what those values are and
recommend um levels of uh incentives
that and affordability so that it's not
just taking from the value of the
project, but it's actually that it's a
win-win that and the developer can gain
some value through the exchange as well
as uh ensuring that there's some
affordability from the project. Now a
multif family tax exemption program is a
little bit the same but instead of um
giving additional development capacity,
height, density, whatever.
Now the city is again through um by
authorized by the state is able to
exempt the building the residential
improvements value from tax exemption
for 8, 12 or 20 years
um depending on what the conditions are
uh affordability conditions are in
exchange.
And so um
um this is another way to get you know
this is a voluntary thing uh strictly
speaking but it's another way to to say
um we'll allow the developer to save or
gain so much value and we will reserve
or in a sense take back some of that
value in the form of affordable housing.
Uh what a couple of our cities have done
very uh astutely and effectively I would
say is to layer both the land use
incentives and tax exemption programs
and in a way that um brings
affordability down as low as 50% of
median income.
And um
and again we go through a a lot of
rigorous analysis to be able uh
recommend something based on uh that we
think will work.
Um now I'll bring Kristen back up.
>> Thank you, Mike. So I'm going to talk
about some of the different tools that
the city of Isiqua uses. And while I was
sitting over there, I realized um
weirdly because I'm working on two
things to take to council about this
that I didn't include one of our tools
in here. And it's huge. Um back in 2002,
we waved well 2002 initially and then
again in 2008 started in the villages
and then moved citywide. But we wave all
parks, fire and traffic impact fees,
school impact fees for all units assoc.
We wave all plan review fees, building
review fees, some connection fees that
we can wave everything. So, it saves
depending on your project, it can save
up to millions of dollars on that
project. So, that's a huge incentive
that the city provides. Um, we are
actually going to take this to the
planning, development, and envir
environment committee uh to maybe
potentially make some changes to this on
February 3 if you're interested in
tuning in for that.
Development development agreements thus
far are one of the biggest tools that we
have used to get affordable housing. Out
of development agreements, we've gotten
277 units at or below 80% of the AMI 650
units. all of those located in Isiqua
Highlands that are uh between 80% and
120%. In the pipeline, we currently have
development agreements that will allow
or require 350 plus units at or below
80% area median income.
Um we also this does not include under
the developed it does not include the
transit oriented development trail head
that's coming in which will have
159 affordable units
that are there some because of
inclusionary some because of another
program I'll talk about but those will
those are not included in this right
here.
Mike also mentioned briefly our density
bonus program and this is a voluntary
program
and the development agreement is also
sort of voluntary. You can do a
development development agreement but
nine and a half times out of 10 we are
going to require affordable housing in
that development agreement
develop uh density bonus which is
actually now development bonus program
was adopted in 2013 as part of the
central isqua plan. It is voluntary and
we have a base height. Let me say you
can build up to 50 feet and nothing
there has to be affordable. But if you
want to build up above 50 feet and go to
85 feet, then a certain percentage 20%
of that overage has to be affordable.
And then another
so one-third of that has to be 20% of
one third has to be affordable and then
there's another portion it's very
complicated um that can either be
affordable or a fee in L or open space.
No one's chosen that option yet, but
either affordable or fe. So, since we
adopted this, and it's only in Central
Isqua, and since we adopted this, we've
yielded 14 units, but we've yielded
about
a little over $2 million in fee and Lou
that are now in our IHIP fund that was
mentioned earlier.
Inclusionary zoning is something else
that Mike mentioned. This was adopted in
2017. And it was as a result of the m
mor moratorum that was done uh started
in 2016.
There were six items associated with the
moratorum and one of them was that we
had just had a 350 unit development go
up and not one of those units was
affordable and city council said nope we
want affordable. So now if you are going
to build in central Isiqua in the zones
that are shown here. So the urban core
urban core vertical mixed use or the
mixed use and it's you just look at the
colors up there and you can tell which
it doesn't matter which is which. Then
you are required no matter how high you
build no matter what you put in there if
there is residential you are required to
put in affordable housing. And it's a
sliding scale. So it'll go anywhere from
7 and a half of your units say at 50%
area median income up to 15% of your
units at 80% area median income. It and
when you when you develop you get to
choose those options but essentially the
lower the AMI the fewer units. The
higher the AMI the more units that you
have to put in.
And our first two projects that are
doing it came in last year. So, we have
Trail Head is one of those. Trail Head,
if you aren't familiar with it, is going
next to our transit station, and it's
going to have the 159 units that I
mentioned along with about 200 units of
market rate next to that. So, it's
between Maple and Newport and next to
the transit center. And the other one is
called Parkplace. It's over off of 221st
and 51st Street where the old Microsoft
offices used to be. They're building 74
units and a percentage of those is going
to be affordable at 80%. Another one
that hasn't come up was the pioneer
program which we adopted 2024.
This allows for two projects in the same
zones as the inclusionary zoning mixed
mixed use central isqua and urban core
with 100 to 400 units each. They can be
rent or ownership does not matter. The
developer can choose the scale again
very much like the sliding scale. They
can do 8% of all of their units at 60%
or 10% of their units at 80%. And this
program is not intended for affordable
housing. This is simply to get more
housing in this area where we want our
growth to occur. So part of this is that
they are not required to do the de
development bonus program. They can
build up to the maximum height without
having to do that, but they still have
to include the affordable units. There
will be lifetime covenants associated
with these and they are also elig
eligible for the um multif family tax
exemption MFTTE.
Haven't had any biters yet. We almost
did but hanging on there. Uh so that was
my very short piece of this. So that was
very long. So yes, I see questions
already but um I'm we're open.
>> Commissioner Dair.
>> Hi. Hi. So the lifetime covenants on the
arch properties they extend even. So if
I were to buy an arch property when I
sell it I have to sell it to another
person who qualifies quickly.
>> Yes. When it is being sold the the owner
has to notify Arch. Arch then will help
to advertise that property but they also
set the price. They say it cannot be
sold above this.
>> Yes.
>> And then followup question. So does
somebody have to apply to Arch directly?
and then prove that they qualify or how
would that work with a buyer?
>> You don't apply to ARCH, but for sales
they do have a list of it's not an
application process, but they do have a
list of I believe owners and rentals,
but they have to you have to prove to
ARCH that you qualify and there's a lot
of paperwork that's required.
The the way it worked practically is
that uh if it's a resale u then
uh the seller can use a broker uh a real
estate agent and so can the buyer and
they work out um the the agreement to
sell it. But once a a buyer has been
chosen then they'll be referred to us
for the income verification.
>> Commissioner D. Commission Moru
>> um in initially when you started
speaking you said there's all these to
to get lowincome housing we've waved all
of these fees and some of the fees that
you mentioned I thought um
required staff labor.
So if you're and and you went through
the list very quickly, so I'm I could be
mistaken, but it seemed to me that there
were certain things that required staff
labor. Where do you shift? How do you
shift the burden of that expense? Where
is that put?
>> We don't um
>> you do it for nothing.
>> We do it for nothing. H
>> how But you're you're hired for a
certain amount. Mhm.
>> I mean, you don't work overtime in order
to provide that service. You have You
can only be so productive.
Does do other PE do other
is it sort of
uh wishy? In other words, it's not
specified from anywhere. It's because
you can't do it for nothing.
We we are just we get our salaries and
when these things come in we review them
just like we review any other projects.
Now if it goes out to a consultant then
sometimes yes we have to repay the
consultant. We do not repay ourselves
though. So if but let me clarify too
though if so the traffic impact fees and
the park impact fees if we wave as we do
100% of those fees 20% of those fees we
have to find a way to repay 20% of those
fees
that go toward parks and traffic and so
forth but they don't go toward staff.
>> Okay. But and maybe I'm not making
myself clear, but I'm I guess what I'm
saying is you have to you have to spend
your time. Your time has value.
>> The city is paying you, but somewhere
the city needs to receive that income so
that it can pay you. Where does that
income come from?
>> I am not in the finance department. I
come in and I I you I really I don't
know the answer to that question.
>> Your salary
>> I mean we're we're salary. Yeah. Our our
salaries come from the general fund and
we make what we make
>> no matter what the project is. So are
you thinking that we
>> I'm saying that the city has a budget.
It has income and it has expenses.
>> Right.
>> Your the amount of work that your your
your
labor is an expense.
If you're not charging the If you are
not charging these developers
and you still have the expense, the
income's got to come from somewhere.
>> Where's it coming from?
>> We get we get we get a two week, you
know, we get paid every two weeks for no
matter what the workload is.
>> So, you know, if I need that's
>> Yeah, it is. It's that's our
contribution to the city or to the to
the developer.
I guess I'm not making this clear.
>> Commissioner Grass,
>> I have a very different question. Um, if
uh from the chart that you showed at the
beginning showed the biggest gaps over
the next 20 years or so are going to be
at the under 50
um percent um median income. So, we we
always talk about like rental and also
ownership. I assume those are all rental
and because people under those are not
buying or qualifying for if you're if
you're barely making it, you can't buy.
So I assume those are
higher all percent going to be rental
type units. Are you finding
that the um
the ability to build those the the
developers want to build those and all
the codes across this is more broad than
just are set up to be able to achieve
those because those the biggest if you
look at those little hashmark graphs
they're all at the lower end and those
are going to be rentals. Let's be
realistic about that. are all the pieces
in place to be able to get that both
from the supply and demand the dem the
supply of the cities having the ability
to have the right rules in place not
just as but broadly and then the um on
the other side the builders have
interest in actually building those more
of a broader question
yeah uh
a lot of
uh possible ways to to answer it I think
the
the
general the approach to
solving that to creating those units in
my mind has got to be a combination
of the things you mentioned the uh the
subsidies the uh regulations that make
it possible for a developer to only get
you know
to to sell or rent some homes homes for
below market rent and make up for it by
the bonuses or the tax savings that they
get on the other end. That's what pays
for for those from on the market rate
side. But
>> so um if I I guess it's maybe more a
question for Kristen, the the things
that are being built at least what we
see in ESCO right now are more sold
units, not rental units. I see lots of
town houses all over million million
five and all that. Um that could just be
a snapshot in time. Um the the bigger
apartment I mean are
are the developers wanting to build
apartments or are they wanting to build
condos? And is there a place of how this
could all work where a new development
can be a mixture where the developer
sells market rate condos but they hold
back that percentage and they continue
to own those as rental apartments. So
you have a mixed type because otherwise
if a developer is in the condo business
they're they're just not going to play
um for these under 50 the 50% and below.
But is there are you seeing any mixed
type of developments that have both
owned and rental in the same thing? And
you're you're shaking your head. I
assume that's
>> No, no, we're not. And you know,
traditional stack condominiums, we're
not seeing those at all in Isiqua. And
part of that is because of some
regulations that were set by the state
that provide that um result in liability
issues for condominium developers. So
the condo type development we are seeing
is town homes and those are all sold and
there are some rental a while ago it was
all rentals coming in. It was all
apartments that were coming in and then
over the last three years or so it's
been town home after town home after
town home. We just talked to somebody
the other day who wants to do apartments
and some of that's coming back. But to
your other point earlier, I think yes,
you know, the lower the lower the income
level, it's going to be mostly rental
and ownership probably doesn't start
till closer to 70% or above.
>> I think that's even optimistic in this
area. I mean,
>> you think that's I'm pardon me.
>> I think it's you're to qualify for to
buy something, you have to be much
higher than that, I would assume. Just
pure math. We do have uh some um units
in our programs from and they mostly
come out of Redmond but um at 50% of
median and we do we are able to find
buyers
uh who qualify. So some of it is
supported by down payment assistance
programs but um at 80% of median uh it's
it's not that difficult at all.
All right. Uh, Commissioner Oler, I see
a hand.
>> Just a question. Uh, can you make that
slide deck available to the
commissioners?
>> Absolutely. Yes, that'd be great.
>> We've had a request recently to try and
get these out earlier, but we have a lot
of meetings, so we'll we're going to try
and get these out a little earlier, but
hasn't worked so far.
>> It's great. Thank you.
>> Follow-up question. When somebody in the
ARCH program buys a condo or townhouse,
a lot of times there are HOAs and the
HOAs have monthly fees. Are those
regulated at all or are they considered
is part of the covenant that they have
to be lower?
Um,
when we initially price the home, uh, we
build in what the actual HOA fees are,
including the, um, the if there's an
upfront contribution to the HOA.
Um, over time, of course, HOAs tend to
raise their fees in order to support
capital improvements and maintenance and
so forth. that's become a problem
because the often the fees will go up
faster than the um than the prices
themselves. Um so we don't have a great
solution to that yet. Um but it's it's
something that we're trying to deal
with.
>> Great job, Commissioner D. I think we
stumped them. Uh, Commissioner Matthews,
>> I had a question about the urban core,
sorry, the urban village f versus the
mixed juice because I know that
centraliz where you want the most
growth. So if say QFC they decide, oh,
we're going to sell this, you know,
Kroger, and somebody wants to redevelop
it as apartments, is there a requirement
because it's not mixed juice, it's urban
village. Do they have to bring in
another retail or I mean, I'm trying to
figure out what the difference is
between mixed use. Urban village doesn't
seem like you need to do that. Is that
right?
>> So,
excuse me. The urban villages are Isiqua
Highlands and Talis and Lakeside and
where we require the housing is urban
core which is the red up here and then
the purple striped which is the mixeduse
central Isiqua. So if someone was to
come in and tear down the Safeway or the
Town and Country and want to put in
residential there and the that's uh yes
that's urban core. Yes, they would be
required to put in affordable housing.
But if they're up in Isqua Highlands now
or Talis, no, they have met their
obligations for affordable housing.
>> So, follow-up question. Sorry about
that. Um, can I do they have to provide
the retail again? Because it's looking
like we're looking at a food desert
coming our way if we start redeveloping
the core and not have the retail
available.
So, I'm just kind of seeing into the
future.
>> Yes. So we actually we have a developer
obligation in our central Isiqua plan
that says you need to replace if you
come in and you take a business out.
>> You need to replace find a way to
replace those employees or give them
opportunities for employment one for one
or you know whatever we this transit
engineer transportation engineering
manual says we have not found a legal
way to codify that yet. So that is
actually something that we are working
on right now and we actually came across
something the other day. So we'll we'll
see how that pans out.
>> Yeah,
>> great questions everyone. Uh
Commissioner Miller Irwin.
>> Thank you Chair Boyce. I have a question
about uh the arch model with respect to
um um office building conversions. Um if
um converting those to um uh different
types of either affordable housing um a
small A uh of big A, would that work
with your um ARCH model?
Well, we would defer to whatever the
city's uh regulations are on that, but
we
>> Yeah, we could make we could administer
it.
>> Yeah, we we have two potential projects
coming in that would be commercial or
office conversions to multif family
residential and yes, they would be
required to comply with the arch
covenants.
>> Yeah.
>> Interesting. Thank you.
>> Great discussion everyone. Uh,
Commissioner Mulberu, do you have a
question?
>> I was just praising her for a really
interesting question. Sorry.
>> Yes. Welld deserving. Um, go ahead and
turn off your microphone, otherwise
you're going to give me
So, I think we move on. All right.
So, sorry. Yes, that was it.
>> I'm sorry.
>> That was
exactly right. Okay. Uh I didn't realize
that was the end of the presentation.
Well, good way to end and such
thoughtful questions from the
commissioners. Great discussion. want to
thank um senior planner Mike Stanger and
obviously planning manager Kristen Leon
and also uh senior planner Kate Kaney
for the great presentations this
evening. We're going to move along
because that concludes our regular
business and we're looking for reports
and our first report is city council
updates.
I mentioned one that we're going to be
talking about impact fees at the
February 3rd
um planning development and environment
committee
and you all might want to tune in to
that one just to see how that goes. We
will also be taking to that meeting,
sorry, we'll also be taking to that
meeting the docket that you all made the
recommendation on tonight. And just in
case you're interested, there will also
be an Isiqua climate action plan update
uh given to the committee at that time
as well. And then I mentioned this last
week I believe, but on March 9th,
potentially March 2nd, but right now
it's scheduled for March 9th, we will be
taking a topic called barriers, removing
barriers to development to the city
council to have them help us
identify. Um, we're going to talk about
different ways that we think that can be
done. And from that will come amendments
that we'll be bringing to you next year.
So, you might want to tune in to that
one as well. Is that something that's
worked out through the city and just
developers over time?
>> Uh it's we are talking devel to
developers right now. There's a meeting
coming up in February between staff and
developers and that's why we're going in
March so that we can have that meeting
first but we're also working it out
internally just things that we've heard
things that we've seen that how the way
things function inside as well as what
we've seen comments that we've received
from outside.
>> Okay, great.
Stay tuned.
>> All right. Any other updates?
>> No, I think that's it. Uh, for those of
you, there are three of you whose term
limits are up this year and the
applications are out if you are
interested in applying again.
>> And it also, sorry, just a note to all
of you out there and all of you, there
are not just positions open here, but
there are positions open all over the
city and all different boards and
commissions. So, if you know anyone that
might be interested, let them know.
>> All right. Uh, basically our our final
business on the agenda is just any other
business or announcements.
>> None.
>> Okay. And senior planner Kaney, I got
that right. I looked at my notes after
everything. I don't think I mentioned
how many people said no because there
was no no, but we want to make it
official. It was official, right?
>> Okay, perfect.
always scares me when it comes to the
formalities up here sometimes. All
right. Well, thank you everybody for
being with us this evening. Uh that does
it for us. We're going to conclude this
meeting of the Planning Policy
Commission tonight at 7:56 p.m. Thank
you.