all right
we'll go ahead and call the order i say
good evening
like to call the order call the meeting
to order at 6 30
pm uh due to the virtual format of
today's meeting i'd like to start by
providing some guidelines
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at tonight's meeting we will be
discussing some of the proposed 2021
comprehensive plan amendments following
followed by the tracking of public
comments in the title 18 update
and we'll move to attendance kristen
will you please call the roll
yes i should note that commissioners
zaragoza
and voice have excused absences this
evening
and then commissioner milligan
you're on mute
i see you i know you're here
okay uh commissioner monahan here
commissioner lewis here mr vader
here and chair fall here
commissioner milligan do you have your
have you can you try it again
can you hear me yes there we go thank
you that's this little thing
thank you thank you okay now we'll move
to the approval of the media meeting
minutes
from june 24th um
are there any corrections to the june
24th meeting minutes
i have a correction on page
nine of the packet so it's the
minutes page i don't know
um where we go one two three on the um
uh the different objectives
top of the page is oh god
i am using i'm working without a mouse
here it's where it um
where it says you know our comments
about sections one two three
do you know where i am um
page zero zero zero zero why does it say
that at the top top of the pages voice
said he appreciates monahan's point
that's at the top of the page milligan
is halfway down
and uh near the end of the paragraph
that says milligan said she won and two
agrees
um halfway down says she
uh oh um we should try to
enhance connectivity i made a point of
saying that that was for non-motorized
vehicles
so i went somehow in that paragraph to
emphasize
connectivity between neighborhoods with
non-motorized vehicle
connections
that's it
okay uh any other corrections that would
like to be noted
and kristen you got that uh nina's
updates okay
uh with that the main minutes are
approved
now we'll move on to regular business so
we're going to go ahead and
talk about the proposed 2021
comprehensive plan amendments
land use tables and the milano
redesignation and rezone request
and tonight chris and bowl go ahead and
our senior planner will present the 2021
comprehensive plan and zoning map
amendments regarding several land use
element tables and the milano
redesignation
rezone request this is for discussion
only no recommendation will be made
tonight
and kristen go ahead and towards yours
you all can see my screen
yes okay thank you and this is kristen
leeson senior planner and again i can't
as a presenter i can't see comments
and questions so if uh it's your fault
if you could let me know
if those come that i would appreciate it
i'd be happy to
thank you so yes tonight we're talking
about a few of the proposed 2021
comprehensive plan and zoning map
amendments
and we are going to review discuss and
ask questions
and there are no recommendations tonight
but i need to know
for the september and october public
hearings what information that i
still need to provide you all in order
for you to be able to make
recommendations
so tonight we're talking about several
of the land use element tables
and the request from romano for a
redesignation
and reason of a property
so first make that goal there
yeah sorry something in the way
uh first we're talking about uh table l2
units tour 2031 state adopted housing
target
and in 2021 we added
315 new housing units that means that
they were
filed or completed and signed off on
this also means then that we exceeded
our 2031
housing target and are now at 104
i should note that we get new housing
targets at the end of this year which
will run from 2019
through 2044.
are there any questions on that one
okay next is l3
jobs toward 2031 state adopted jobs
targets now this one we kind of went the
opposite direction but it's kind of
understandable so in 2020 the year of
covid
we lost a little over 3 000 jobs which
took us down from being at about 53
percent to being at almost
80 or 38 of our target so we dropped
quite a bit which means we would still
need
an almost 12 500 jobs to hit our target
but again we were getting we are getting
new targets in
at the end at q4 um which
so essentially we start over
and capacity
um this
this tells us how much redevelopable and
vacant land that we have in the city
that can still be developed
and this is a very long process and we
take out we haven't done this probably
since 2002
and we have done annexation since since
then and
land has been rezoned and lots of
changes
so vegan is vacant it's anything with a
10
something you know an improvement of ten
thousand dollars or less
on it and or it's vacant um
redevelopable we take out things like
condominiums
um housing that is
has been built since say 2010 uh
you take out all community property you
take out religious facilities government
facilities all those things come out
and determine this so our capacity right
now we have
uh 551 essentially residential acres
197 commercial acres
and the capacity for 11 743
housing units and five hundred 15 sixty
one jobs
um is there any question on this one are
there any questions or comments
i have a question yes commissioner
milligan here
um uh plan release and the number for
jobs
net capacity have is that
below our target and
has it always been below our target
since we created the central isoqua plan
i can't remember so it's changed um
as you can see our target way back when
was 26 711 and that was
that was in 2014. um we
at the time had still before that um had
options for microsoft that we had
anticipated so anyway
it is enough for our proposed new
targets
and it is enough to accommodate what we
would still need to make for the 2031
targets
i think i was going in a direction
originally that you didn't ask me so
that's the answer is that um
yes we have enough to meet our targets
okay
a question here so uh looking at the
housing
um blue box um very low density
looks like we have net housing capacity
for 399 i say
i assume very low density means
single-family homes
that correct yes yes so didn't we have
um about 34 or 35
um buildable lots last year
and now we have 3.99 so
well that was lots that wasn't units
and i know what you're talking about is
a few years ago when we looked at um
we were trying to estimate how many um
how many units we could still put in the
399 seems like a
big bump from previous discussions
and and i'd have to look back and see
what that number was that was a few
years ago
okay my question is
if we were only around 35-ish
or single-family homes and we're now at
399.
where are those lots
um a lot of it's redevelopable land
um so there's some up there
some up in squawk um
they're it's just scattered all around
um you still have things up above
overdale park
that could be developed you know you
have some plaques that may have been
approved but nothing's been built yet so
that doesn't count
okay are we talking about lot splits
that have happened
uh
no again i'd have to look and i remember
i i can't remember if we covered the
entire city or if we were just looking
at squawk mountain
and sycamore at that time okay
yeah i just don't know where we came up
with 3.99 because that's a huge bump for
if you can imagine a 400 homes that's a
lot of homes for
very low density i mean uh yeah
it just seems like a it doesn't smell
right
i mean it just something doesn't jive
i guess okay well and it i'll go back
and i'll look at it
um but it may be comparing apples to
oranges too you know there were
different factors considered in this
and you know the quick you know what we
did a few years ago just in-house
um i'll i'll take a look and let you
know okay
yeah thank you that's it no more
questions no more
okay all right the last table for the
land use element
is the population in household
projections
so i think this is really small and i
apologize
um but i think that the numbers to
really look at here
are um the current population and
households so
we submit permits to
um the office of financial management or
we submit permits to the
puget sound regional council every year
to say how many
housing units have been filed and issued
in that year
and they go through their paperwork and
they come back with a number for us
and they said that we now have 17 739
housing units
and it's a population of 39
840. some changes that they made this
year the occupancy rate went
up from 0.95 percent to 0.96
which over time makes a difference as
does the persons per household which
went from
2.32 persons per 3.21
2.31 persons per household to 2.32
persons per household
which again over time will make a
difference i think there's a question
i saw something pop up i even has a
question
okay commissioner milligan here i was
just putting that in the queue for
finishing your presentation on this
slide are you done kristen
i am done okay my
question for you is uh i was wondering
why
lakeside units are counted in the
current columns
but the rowley units are only
counted in future columns both of them
are under development agreements
i didn't understand the discrepancy
there well lakeside actually has
um housing units there and
the uh central isfan
and the urban corn rally there are no
housing units
okay yeah i'll look at it again
okay yes and it's the urban core it's
not central is the urban core that
doesn't have any housing units right now
okay yeah thanks and kristen we have a
question from commissioner lewis
okay thank you commissioner joy lewis
my question is about um the projections
for future population
i was curious why in 2030 to 2040 we
see an increase that's different from
what we're projecting right now from 30
what is it that we're estimating some
sort of growth rate that doesn't stay
steady
are you talking about the total number
or a number for a certain area
yeah so right now we're roughly
estimating that we're going to add
around 5000 people
by 2030 but then that bumps up to about
8 000 people for 2040
and so i'm curious why that doesn't
remain steady what the reason is for the
projected population
increase in the years 20 30 to 20 40.
a lot a lot of that's because
development there are some development
agreements that do not comple that are
not supposed to be done until around
2040
and so we just whatever what we sort of
anticipated what will be
billed at what time and by that time it
should be completely built out
okay um i think that it's
hard um when you first sent out these
housing numbers to us a couple months
ago
right we had a dialogue back and forth
and to be blunt about
it it's hard to see us hit
our housing target so forcefully so well
as compared to our jobs numbers right
even taking out the pandemic at being
around 53
they're not on pace with each other and
as we negotiate our next round
of housing projections and looking what
sister cities in our region
came in at at their last projections
right it's um it's hard to
think that a pat on the back of a gold
star is all we're gonna get right
there's um there's something about
looking at these numbers
and seeing um that well we obviously
can't affect where people want to live
and we're happy to be a community that
is so desirable
how is it that we're able to put into
perspective how easily we hit this
target
and concerns about keeping up with
community services right um
so uh it definitely gave me pause when
you first looked at a couple months ago
and you sent it around
um and i think that it's certainly worth
noting
that there's um
i don't i don't have a problem right now
but i have a feeling that there are
problems coming if that makes sense
right when we're so easily hitting our
housing numbers
how um you know i'm excited to be able
to get you know rate surveys on how
we're keeping up with
um you know fire and rescue water police
you know
schools right you know it starts to
really bring home
that if we're hitting this so easily we
need to be anticipating
those um growth in other areas if that
makes sense
no it does um so this is a conversation
that council wants to have
and when we talked about the targets
with them uh they wanted to come back
and have a discussion about growth and
meeting the infrastructure needs for all
of that growth and no matter what our
targets are our targets right now are
proposed target to the lowest out there
they're i think still at 3 500 and jobs
are very low as well
and much lower than they were last time
and no matter what our target is though
we have to prepare the infrastructure
because
people are going to come if our target
was a thousand more than a thousand
people are gonna come here
um we just need to be able to manage it
you're right the infrastructure plan for
it
thank you
any other questions yes one question
from
commissioner milligan hi commissioner
milligan here it's a comment and i just
want to get back to plan release and i
understand now what i've missed in the
lakeside numbers i keep forgetting that
the apartments on the
uh northeast side of highlands drive are
part of the lakeside development
agreement and i had forgotten that
because they're just so out of sync with
the rest of it
so thank you for um pointing me that way
thanks
okay ready to move on
okay thank you
so next we're going to talk about the
milano reset redesignation
and rezone request so what you're
looking at
is the property this is newport way
right here and there's a single family
house and a
detached garage behind it
and here's an air oops here's an aerial
review
an aerial view of where it's located
here's the site
the house the garage and newport way
right here
so the request is it's a it's a 0.81
acre parcel
and the request is to change the land
use designation from low density
residential to multi-family residential
and to change the zoning from
single-family suburban to multi-family
media
so here's what's adjacent to you've got
a single-family house here
you have single-family zoning here with
spyglass
townhomes or condominiums next on that
property
single-family suburban over here with
open space and then single family homes
back in here
these two properties are tracks open
space tracks owned by
this hoa multi-family medium up here
these are the bentley house condominiums
and to the east you have revel which was
just constructed it's village
residential
you have revel and then anthology
anthology in here and
riva as well you also have and you'll
see it in a minute a creek
coming through this property as well
the critical areas approximately 75
percent of this site is encumbered by
critical areas
and the dark purple that you see here
are the 40 percent steep slopes they're
40
or 40 grade or steeper and then they
have 50 percent
buffers that are required with those
there's also schneider creek that runs
adjacent to it and it has a 100 foot
buffer that bumps into this property as
well
everything that you see in white becomes
the developable property
so for the design standards single
families is a comparison between the two
um the densities you go from 4.5 to
14.5 minimum lot size from 9 600 to 2500
front step back 20 to 10 feet side
setbacks are
about the same rear set back actually
goes from 10 to 20 feet
and then impervious goes up to 50
percent
and um the base building height is 50
40 feet and three feet for single family
which left as high as it can go
but then the multi-family medium can go
up to 50 feet with
conditions
and when you look at reasons you can't
just look i know that
with the property owner is proposing 11
on homes for rental townhomes to go on
the site but you can't just look at
what's proposed i mean for one a an
application has not been submitted you
need to look at
everything that can go on that property
so these are very similar
um what can go on these um except that
you get to multi-family structures which
are not allowed
in single family suburban and then you
get done here you've got a neighborhood
scale grocery store would be allowed
neighborhood and residential scale
office professional and financial uses
day care centers and professional
grooming services
would be allowed
access when we took the city council on
the docket access was a big concern for
them
um should be um
so this is newport way right here and
currently
there is an easement that goes across
the spy glass condominium property
and um the property owner was correct in
a letter that was sent i
said it was 10 feet that was our
understanding but i believe that it's
closer to 25 feet wide here
but that is the access season our street
standard section y
says that access would preferably
come from a quieter street but i'm going
to call it a quieter street
and so i said that that is something
that probably needs to be explored if
this were to be approved or if other
access is needed however
this property is owned by the hoa so it
is dependent on
a conversation with them access this way
is potentially possible but because
there's no project has been submitted
it's it's hard to tell how that would
work although there has been
conversation about write and write out
but
as you know newport way has recently had
a new read
been redesigned and some changes might
need to be made if that were the case
so our recommendation right now is to
not recommend
approval of the request to change the
landis designation to multi-family
residential and the zoning to
multi-family medium
for a few reasons first of all there are
nine criteria
in imc 1804 632 d3
um that an applicant must meet all of
these
and one is number two rezone bears a
substantial relation to the
public health safety welfare or other
community benefit
and the proposed rezone does not have
any public health safety welfare or
community benefits
that would come with it
the reason was warranted because of
changed circumstances
there have not been any changed
circumstances
to this property um that would
constitute a reason and the reason
request is consistent with the
comprehensive plan or is in the
concurrent process of comprehensive plan
redesignation
so yes there is a concurrent request
for a redesignation to multi-family
medium to match the zoning change
but there are also policies existing in
the comprehensive plan
that this does not can conform to
one is land use policy c2 which says
focus future growth in areas with no
or minimal environmentally critical
areas and with this property being
encumbered with 75
critical areas it doesn't make sense and
then
induced goal k says focus and promote
office housing and retail development in
the urban core regional growth center
there is plenty as we just talked about
plenty of capacity
in the urban core to accommodate housing
and we don't need
additional density outside of the urban
core
so that is uh those are the amendments
are there any question i'll finish real
quick and we can
go on a timeline is same as it was last
time we're going to continue looking at
these through august
and in september and then in september
and october we're going to hold a public
hearing and there will be a
recommendation
november 9th it goes to a council study
session and on december 6 the council is
expected to take action
the next time you will see a topic it
will be the final topic for
comprehensive plan amendments is august
12th when we will talk about climate
change policies
that is all i have if you have any
questions
happy to chat
kristen i do have questions i'm waiting
for other commissioners here
okay uh i don't see any questions so i
do have a question
the property that's across the street is
there any discussion
about redeveloping that property
yes actually the property owner who owns
this property owns the property across
the
you want to street this into a parking
lot because they want to develop that
right he's proposing a hundred unit
complex i don't know if it's apartments
or condominiums
and yes the proposal it hasn't been
approved yet but the proposal would be
to use this
this site that we're talking about as
construction part parking and lay down
for construction materials
okay now if this owner
focusing back on the lot the word topic
tonight
if this owner was to purchase from the
hoa
the triangle section that's missing
basically where their easement
is and got that access to the road
would they would the city change its
position from not recommend
development to recommend development
provided that the
development does not impact
the
um sorry my dogs are barking i just
lost my chain of thought
the encumbered areas so
no not at this time because in order to
be approved
the applicant has to meet all nine of
the criteria that are listed in
the code and that even even with that
access that doesn't happen
okay all right thank you uh looks like
we have a question from
uh commissioner milligan oh sorry we
need to back up we have a question or
yeah a question from commissioner lewis
first
thank you chair fall commissioner joy
lewis so if i'm understanding the
numbers correct right now the proposal
for the 11 town homes is on 25
of the property a 75 is
uh considered unbuildable is that
correct yes yes
um and right and right now that's him
building
up to the maximum amount of buildable
space with the required mandatory
buffers
yes yes keep in mind this is something
that city hasn't had a chance to review
because no project has been submitted
okay um thank you and then that the
parking component was something that i
was a little confused about
especially when um the mentioning of
like the lay down for materials
is there any type of review that ends up
happening for these particularly
critical areas
um when going through that request for
the site plan
um and then is that something that goes
through council or is that something
that goes to administration
there is a review that happens i talked
to the planner on that project today
and it the review hasn't happened yet
but it's to protect critical areas
that's what it's for it does not go to
city council okay so it's just an
administration review
okay um and uh
so that's kind of separate right it's
just kind of ancillary knowledge for us
it's not really yeah
anything um has there been any response
from the hoa
right now on the proposal
not from the hoa itself but
i have heard from a president who lives
in the neighborhood at least one that i
am aware of
um thank you very much you're welcome
okay and thank you very much
commissioner lewis we have a question
from
commissioner milligan thank you chair
fall this is commissioner milligan
planner leasing i wanted to ask about
cluster housing that's
allowed on um encumbered properties by
critical areas and
i just need a little refresher on that
and whether the
zoning density would allow
for any more of that anyway
considering it's four and a half used
per acre and it's not even
an acre so
it would allow for cluster housing and
you and
like you i need a little refresher but
you can you look at what would be
allowed on the entire parcel
and you're allowed to bring some of that
over into cluster housing and make
smaller lots
you still have to have things like open
space and there are some setbacks
you know critical areas but you can get
more housing on a property that
okay way and i have one last question i
mean i don't see any other additional
questions from other commissioners
this particular house built in 1902 or
1903
uh it seems to be a rather unique house
and
eclectic if
the developer was proposing to
redevelop the property either high
density or
put another unit uh another house on
there
would there be any interest would the
city have any interest
in trying to move the house to another
lot to
save that particular house
maybe like a relocation into old town
so this kind of thing has come up before
and it's it's a city council decision
and yeah um so i don't know what their
answer would be
but you'd have to find land on which to
locate
the house which is expensive unless it
gets donated and then moving the house
is expensive and then you need to figure
out how it's going to be used is it
going to be purchased by
a residential you know for somebody to
live in
or is it going to be commercial who's
going to own it after that so
um short answer i i don't know if they
would consider that but there are a lot
of things to be considered if that
was something they wanted to do okay
thank you i see no additional questions
okay um i think
what i really need to do then is to go
back and look at the numbers
from a few years ago and see exactly
what we looked at and what
considerations were made during that
and i'll bring that back to you all next
time when we talk about
capacity is that is that my homework
is that all that i have okay
all right thank you all
okay uh so it looks like next thing on
the agenda is title 18
update and tracking of public comments
vinnie daly wall er your community
planning and development director will
be presenting a plan for tracking
responding and presenting public
comments
um i do have one quick question do you
want to ask for public comment
or do you want to wait until the end uh
let's open it for public comment in
regards to the uh
okay 2021 amendments
okay um i do know that we have a few
people here if you would like to speak
right now would you please there are two
topics tonight so some of you said you
wanted to speak and i'm not sure which
topic but if you'd like to speak would
you please
raise your electronic hand or if you
can't figure out how to do it how to do
that send a note to me
in the chat i'll give you i'll give you
a minute to do that
i believe okay um i think susan neville
just raised her hand let me
i'm gonna make you a panelist
you're now unmuted miss neville okay
thank you
you're welcome hello everyone i'm a long
time resident my name is susan deville
of issaquah and i do happen to live
in the pinecone tierra highlands
um development which is right next to
that milano
that you were just discussing so um
i believe someone from the development
committee wrote in
so there is a letter in your packet and
there's also a letter from me
so i just wanted to make that note
before i started in
on the title update update
for public tracking uh
i wanted to thank the administration for
putting this together
and and also for
all the times they've spent trying to
include the public in this whole process
and i did send in a letter regarding the
discussion
but i really wanted to reiterate a few
points to consider
before the final approval is done
tonight
and one of them is to confirm that the
public comment notes
will be traveling or included in all the
information
being passed through the channels such
as when it goes to city council work
sessions
and all other committees and then my
second
concern was can the public
questions on a particular section be
answered before the document moves to
the next
review phase and for example i used
like on the section for natural
environment labeled n1
before this document goes to console
study work session
will the response note be more
specifically answered
um i i realized this was just put
together
in a short time and the majority of the
responses so far
are listed as under review but um
oh and another example was the master
builders association
had a answer called incorporated
response
and i that's because they have sent in
some ordinances and local housing links
so i was wondering if when during your
discussion if you would talk about the
differences
between these two responses and um
maybe what other comment or responses we
will be seeing
as we move along and those were the
two um only items i was not really clear
on
and again thank you for all your efforts
so far for everybody
that they put into this thank you
i do have one other uh who would like to
speak
it's i'm uh hussein korem
who is the property owner for milano and
i am going to make you a
presenter now what does that make you a
panelist
all right you are unmuted and you can
turn on your camera too if you'd like
oh okay how do i do that so
okay oh there we go
oh there we go
thank you thank you for having me
commissioners i thought i would never
get this right but i did just the last
minute so
god must have intervened i'm thankful
for kristen's
uh you know nice directions anyhow
my name is hussein koram i send this
thing uh
on the email to the commissioners and
and the city council
i am mistakenly identified involved with
the city council so my apologies
i would resend it tomorrow to the
commissioners
uh i'm a i'm a small builder i'm bored
for boeing
i work for the military and then i
started my own construction company
development
and this reason request is uh
and again it this is this is something
that does not have to be done
i want to bring this idea up here that i
think is a great idea
to develop some middle-income housing
in issaquah city of issaquah
concentrating their their development
in the downtown core area or the
central new sequoia area which is high
density
it's not cost is cost prohibited to have
medium income houses like town homes or
smaller homes in that area
so this may be a perfect solution only
if the city wants
well one of the benefits of the
development is right now these
anybody from the street could walk to
that stream and
basically interfere with uh environment
the fish habitat
wants to develop we basically close up
that area
we're proposing to do the street
frontage uh which is something
which doesn't exist right now uh i
almost hit a driver a biker
when i was driving there one day so
there are benefits that goes with that
the overall size of the building is a
little bit a little bit
bigger a little bit bigger uh from a
single family
the footprint doesn't vary a whole lot
it's just more units but what it does
i think it provides a a housing
opportunity
for middle-income people um what
happened
in city of issaquah the the the if you
look at the pamphlet
or the document that i send you 25.1
uh the housing cost increased
in the past 12 months 25.1
the the rental market is the most
expensive in city of issaquah
uh in all the municipalities that that
was in that study
so if we continue doing things
of the past then what's gonna happen to
the younger people what's
to happen to my kids i've got kids at 22
and 24
they want to buy a house i think buying
a house is going to be a dream for these
people
so what i'm saying is just let's look at
this with an open mind
is there any way we can protect the
community
is there any way we can address the
neighbors you know
concerns if there's any way that we can
protect the environment
by closing it off right now it's open
and if there's any way we can
serve the younger families the people
and you know the demographics have
changed there are a lot more immigrants
right now
people like me moving into issaquah
because of the job market
these people have you know in-laws
living with them they can't fit in a
two-bedroom apartment
a one-bedroom apartment in central
visakwa and building
one across the street uh is zoned for
that 101 units
there's just you can't build
middle-income housing is too expensive
it would not work
so you just have to be creative i'm
doing
i'm doing a job in city of redmond and
city of edwin is actually considering
out of the box to do some spot results
with the consent of the neighbors and
the community
uh and the environment uh protecting
that to
to uh along the arteries so just think
out the box
just an idea if i get a no i'll
break my heart a little bit but i'll
leave over it but i think the community
is going to be the winning thing that's
what we need to consider the days and
are we serving the public
at 21.1 price increase in one year
thank you
is there anyone else who would like to
speak
one more minute
no i don't see any oh i we go
geraldine kerry would like to speak so
geraldine i'm going to make you a
panelist
and unmute you you're unmuted and if
you'd like to turn on your camera you
can do that as well
i'll pass on the camera thank you um
i'm a long time resident on newport way
sr 900 i've been here 43 years and i've
seen a lot of change to newport way
i i was um i had a long
well in my mind i had a long comment on
the planning policy commission if they
were in favor of
rezoning this property as multi-family
but i see for the most part you are
saying this property cannot be rezoned
because it does not meet
nine at least nine or ten of the uh
conditions
and um how what changes
that in those nine conditions
that you would or somebody in the city
council would recommend that this
property be
rezoned multi-family
um i'm i'm curious i'm i'm glad to be
in on the groundwork of this property
being rezoned because a lot of times
things happen and then five years six
years out
we see things going on and the city says
it happened way way back when
so i'm glad that the city is allowing
residents to have input on what is
happening along newport way which i feel
is being over
planned and over will be so
um congested with all the development
that
i'm not i'm not in favor of seeing this
property rezoned
but i applaud your efforts and your
considerations
and hope that the city officials see
this
property at to to remain single-family
so i thank you
thank you
those were all of the attendees
there's no one else to speak okay
thank you kristen i will go ahead and
close public comment
at 7 15 for the proposed 2021
comprehensive plan amendments and land
use tables and milano redesignation
rezone request we'll open public comment
again
after the discussions for title 18
update and tracking our public comments
minnie go ahead the floor is yours
thank you chair uh good evening
commissioners
so uh what we wanted to share with you
was um
just and get your input on um what our
thoughts are of tracking uh
public comments because title 18 update
is going to be
a year and a half long process we want
to make sure that we
um you know as we start rolling into uh
some of the topics that we are tracking
them
and uh there is a feedback loop with the
community comments that that are coming
in
so our um what we included in the packet
was um to categorize those comments by
the six
topic areas that uh we're going to be
talking to you about
um so we've shared with you the schedule
broken it up into six
main groups each group has multiple
topics but
um but we're thinking we would take the
public comments that come in we divide
them into those six
groups we keep track of them and then
when
uh we bring in the first draft of the
code amendments
for a public hearing on each of those
six groups
um that we would have a more
comprehensive uh last column filled in
so um you know for if for instance if it
was natural environment we
received some comments um we would
review them
uh come up with a staff's uh
recommendation of how to
include them in the first draft and then
when you hold the public hearing in the
first draft we would have
you know this was incorporated and in
this section
or this was noted but no changes were
made to the code language for these
reasons
so some kind of a complete response
would be included when we have the
public hearing on each of those six
groups
um and and in the meantime we'll
continue to
maintain this matrix of all the comments
that are coming in
the other part i think that we've heard
uh from the public comments tonight
and and previously is that if there are
questions
asked during the public comments um then
staff will uh
try and answer those questions during
their presentation for that each topic
so if there's an agenda item for peop
for your consideration
and comments come in some of them are
questions we will try to incorporate the
the answers to those questions in our
presentation so that everyone has the
the same information or an answer to
that uh that question
including the public and all the
commissioners um
so that's our thought process in this we
just wanted to see if you had
uh additional ideas you want us to to to
incorporate
or if this will work um so that that's
all we were looking for some feedback on
that
it will open up to commissioner
questions
mr milligan has a comment yep uh
commissioner milligan go ahead as far as
yours
thank you chair fall this is
commissioner mill again and thank you
director dollywall i just wanted to
comment how much i appreciate
the design and thought that's gone into
the records and there was a particular
detail that i liked
so i wanted to point it out as
reinforcement
and that was that sometimes the public
comment comes in
by way of an email or even in person
and it has many different topics and in
the
example that you showed in our packet
you um made an effort to split out those
topics because so that they could be
addressed even though they were in
the same communication so i i just want
to say i want to appreciate that
organization i think it's very helpful
thank you
thank you commissioner milligan and
commissioner lewis here's a question
thank you commissioner joy lewis um i
really appreciate
that um there's a way for interested
parties to be able to confirm that
comments have been received you know
it's typical
uh when council gets something um the
council member hunt you know will reply
and say we received it so i love having
this
this framework for people to kind of
know that their thoughts haven't just
gone into the ether
um but i do really want to sharpen in
on this as a tool for being able to
facilitate dialogue
um you know when we um when we ask
questions and we get answers it often
just brings more questions
and right now that um this response
notes tool that we've that's been
created isn't really doing that
right so having everything be kind of a
pending response
i see as being problematic maybe there's
something where
um a respondent is asking a question
about something that
aligns to a timeline there can be like
an eta like expect
a response on this when we you know in
in july or however a response to when dr
when um staff is going to be creating
those drafts and things like that so
people kind of know when to anticipate
it
i'm not sure if that's a good response
um to
my concern or but i think what you had
mentioned was basically answers were
going to be in the presentation
and i i initially i didn't like that um
that idea because i don't think it
facilitates us being able to really have
as many eyes and thoughts and
um to really make our best our best
effort at this
and so i'm hoping that we can continue
the work on
these response notes in a way that
allows people to be able to look up and
see oh i had that question too what was
it that staff said right
um in some way being able to communicate
um
we're still working on this but right
now this is what we're thinking
or you know what we have we thank you
for your response and we'll think we're
going to have a response for you
in around the october time frame or you
know what i mean so in some way to be
able to communicate
and then when that time comes to say
this is
what um our response is with the
administrative responses
and for people to be able to see that
right not just the person who asked the
question
so in the same way that you're including
people's emails or were able to get a
much more detailed response
than um as well in the response notes of
saying
this is what it is to be able to update
people before it's too late right before
we've um looked at the draft and passed
it
our pass our opinions along to council
right how do we use this as a tool that
people
are able to say oh well that kind of led
me to think about this or that and so i
would encourage
this to kind of um think about the the
next steps right
this is a great first way of um
kind of corralling um all of these
comments and chatter that we really
appreciate having so early on
um and so yeah i don't know that i have
i have great answers but i have a couple
suggestions but i um
but i do want to kind of be um continue
to figure out how do we
use this as a tool for community members
not only to feel heard
but to continue that dialogue right to
be able to have um
when our people are having a direct
message to staff that this then means
that we're able to
keep um use this pool of interested
parties to be able to then um
invite them for direct events for
instance right like i love that
in the tool of being able to say like
how did we receive this response right
we haven't had any events yet so
obviously that column was blank
but um being able to um to see kind of
how are we interacting and how are we
continuing to have
really valid input that's coming in so
thank you
thank you commissioner lewis and we have
a question from
commissioner boehner
yeah hi sarah bader here um
i also like the table um i had a couple
of
kind of common slash quasi questions
um about it and about specifically the
how do
community members kind of feel heard and
acknowledged as part of this and i think
the table goes a long
way um my first question is
or comment i guess is that there's
already a lot here
and we're you know only a couple of
weeks into this um and so
as we look a year out um how do we
sort or filter um you know or combine
you know themes or everything that's
being emerged in here so that we're
continuing to kind of remember what's
being
has been talked about um as this list
grows and grows and grows
um so that's one comment and then the
other um
is and i think you touched on this um
in your and your comments was around i
used to be this is
some random background but i used to be
a planner in a different country um
way back in the in the day and we used
to have to prepare
reports for um we call them committees
um
there and um as part of those reports we
had to summarize
kind of public comments that were like
um sent in
and so i wonder if there's an
opportunity i think you you mentioned
that
this might be part of the report in my
again my couple of weeks being part of
this commission i've noticed that
the comments come in after the agendas
are posted and the packets are posted so
that might be kind of a moot point
anyway but maybe in your presentations
or in
supplemental materials or whatever but i
think um acknowledging them kind of
formally um
you know relevant comments too to the
topic at hand i think would be
would go a long way as well to making
people feel hurt and also making sure
that we're
kind of considering their comments um
appropriately as well as we
as we discuss this and then the final
thing which might not be
appropriate for this conversation but is
just an observation kind of
generally as i look at um just the names
there's actually there's a lot of
comments but not very many names
which is wonderful that we have you know
a handful of really really engaged
residents but
um to the vein of kind of like nothing
about me without me um in terms of
community engagement and getting as much
feedback as we can given that you know
we just learned that there's 39 000
something residents in the city of
issaquah how
are we communicating the opportunities
to provide feedback into this
um into this process and so
and i don't know if that's for now or
just for um you know food for thought
for later but
i'm interested in and you know how to
spread the the word that this process is
happening
um so we can hear kind of from diverse
voices as well
that's all
okay and thank you very much
commissioner vader hi
kristen i have not seen any additional
comments or questions
i'm not either mr monahan
would you like to have a question
okay all right uh scene then
i guess we'll go ahead and move on to
uh public comments
we want to open up to uh public comment
i will see if there's anyone else that
would like to speak
uh yes i she still wants to speak let me
uh gerald and carey
caroline would you like to speak on this
topic as well wait a minute wait a
minute
what are they talking about
miss carrie would you like to speak on
the title 18 topic as well
no your hand was still up so that's why
i was asking
okay oh no okay thank you
if anyone else would like to speak if
you could raise your hand or let me know
in the chat
i don't see anyone i do believe that
miss neville addressed some
issues in her previous comments during
the
comprehensive plan topic um i also
wanted to note
that we did receive comments from um via
email from mary lynch
and from teresa ossel one from teresa
ossel just came actually after the
meeting started and i forwarded that on
to the planning policy commission
and both were opposed to the reason
and those will be added to the meeting
minutes is that correct
kristen okay yes they will all right so
uh seeing that we do not have any
additional
public comments or questions i'm going
to go ahead and close public comments at
7
29
that concludes our business for tonight
and then we're going to move into
reports
and city council updates
kristin i do not have any
reports minnie do you have any reports
from city council
sure um i can talk about sign code
update
um so you all finalized your
recommendation gave
it to city council we had a study
session with them
and they sent it back to title 18 ad hoc
committee and we've been working with
them
to make the code a little bit more
clearer less
you know less prescriptive um more clear
to understand
and and succinct and and um you know
improve the readability and clarity and
so on and so forth so
we um have um you know gotten really
good feedback from them
and we've incorporated their input uh
that item is scheduled for
july 27th uh city council study session
um so after the council study session
then i think one of the questions today
at ad hoc committee that came up
was to check in with all of you to see
if you wanted
to have that item come back to you if
you had
if you felt strongly about uh you know
having a second
look at sign code we can certainly send
you send it to you by email
um there may be an option for counsel to
consider that they would hold the public
hearing themselves
on it before adoption that's one option
or if you all felt strongly we want to
convey that message to counsel that
you want to see it back again here given
all the reading that's ahead of you for
title 18 update we wanted to be
sensitive to
to your time as well so um i told them
i'll check in with all of you and
and see if you uh felt had a strong
opinion on it one way or the other
okay uh commissioner lewis has a comment
thank you um i have
a strong opinion that i would love for
the public to be able to do this again
if it works best for their calendar that
we sit with it then obviously we're
happy to serve
i don't have a um i don't from where i'm
sitting as a commissioner i don't have a
need to re
um to look at this again um however we
had fantastic
involvement from the community on this
process um
with meetings with um development
commissioner we had we had so much good
feedback so
i would love to encourage that there is
um the if the council is willing to hold
another
a public hearing to be able to get um
updated voices
on this um new direction an update i
would highly encourage
um but as far as where i'm sitting i
don't know but we necessarily need to
take another dive into it
to commission blues uh any other
additional comments or questions
there's a sign code
so many i think we're good with it great
thank you
and so that concludes our reports
now we're going to go ahead and move on
to other business and announcements
and kristin do you have any comments for
the upcoming schedule
i just wanted to note that i forgot to
put the july 15 tour on your schedule
however you all did receive a meeting
notice for it today
um i want to make sure we're going to
have a quorum right now the only person
that i know that won't be there is
commissioner voice
if you um and some of you have responded
already but if there's anyone who won't
be here if you could let me know
summer is a we only have seven members
and summer is busy so i'm trying to make
sure we keep our quorums
commissioner lewis i i sent you an email
a couple weeks ago i will
i will unfortunately not be available
but i appreciate that you offered to put
a gopro on and record the whole thing
for me
i knew you i thought you were one of
them i couldn't find that email that i
do have the other day
okay all right yeah and i'm happy you
know if if
uh the 15 doesn't work for one or two of
you i'm happy to do that some other day
that works for you during the daytime or
in the evening so you let me know
we can do a redo of this one absolutely
and chris and i uh replied back to your
meeting invite as
tentative because say an iffy date so
if we can move we've got three
commissioner two commissioners are not
gonna be there for sure
myself would be possibly a third one
if we can move the date i think it might
be great if we could move the date
i know well it's it's summer and it's
it's
busy um and i know we want to get this
done early but i'm going to leave this
one up to
minnie yeah when the notice has gone out
too
um right yeah it's going to get
published and there's a whole
protocol about the the open public
meeting act and publishing so
we can you know we can split it into
we'll do for the ones that can attend
and then the second meeting if it's less
than three commissioners
then it's not you know then it's not we
don't have to
do the notice and and all that again so
it'll be just a one-on-one
kind of thing uh it won't be a violation
of the open public meeting act and we
can
cover the three commissioners who miss
it on another date that works for them
excellent okay uh
is that it for uh other business and
announcements
well i had yes and we've already had
public
comments uh unless we want to open
public comments for general
but it's kind of redundant i think
christian
do we have anybody we don't they don't
uh miss carrie
is left but she's already said she
doesn't want to speak so we i believe we
are done with public comment
okay so the next topic is german
everyone's an agreement for our german
then we can join the meeting
at 7 35
pm that's the record one hour
that's incredible that's efficiency from
all of you
thank you all right thank you all for
coming appreciate your time and
have a great evening thank you thank you
thank you everybody