and
and welcome to the June 14th meeting in
the planning policy commission tonight
we have three items on the agenda all of
which are extremely important for our
city that makes us different from all
the other cities but first I would like
to take a second to do a shout out to
the mayor had a meeting with the mayor
today it was awesome her energy of wear
how she understands everything that
we've been working on and what the
future of the city is I'm really excited
and that energy is just contagious so
I'm really glad and I appreciate the
work she's done so I wanted to thank her
for that the time that she gave us this
morning so thank you as always we have
approval of the minutes I'd like to make
a motion to approve the minutes of May
24th 2018 for a second second all those
in favor say aye
I host the meeting on the 24th was a
little strange the first part was rules
and regulations on how to be a good
commissioner and the second part was a
tour of Old Town so we kind of got a
good idea of what was going on and I
kind of like to get some input of what
you thought and what you thought you
learned in the process we had a great
driver and commentary during the whole
process does anybody have anything that
they'd like to maybe bring up the value
of going out and actually seeing what
was going on okay nobody's saying
something so I will I thought it was
great I've lived in the city since 1979
and I Drive around all those places and
you drive and you don't pay attention to
how it's going to be in the future what
what should happen and so going through
I think we all had a better idea of just
looking at well should this this be a
two-story building or a three-story
building and how it all works together
so I thought it was a great opportunity
and I think that driving again through
the city I'm going to take a little bit
more notice of where we are and how we
can put it together since we're going to
be you know looking at issues that
affect Old Town so anyway so we're going
to go off to our first thing on the
agenda is kristin is going to give us an
introduction on what's happening with
Gillman Boulevard visioning yeah so I
just wanted to give you a heads up that
this project is starting eventually it's
going to come to you I don't know at
this point if it'll be a recommendation
or informational but it will be coming
back to you so we're working on a
Gillman visioning project and we're
doing this because right now Gilman is
not hugely bike or friendly bike or
pedestrian friendly it has narrow
sidewalks and places and no bike lanes
and places they're little spotty has a
high number of vehicle collisions on
this street in part because of the turn
lanes and they you know the queue spaces
there's no standard cross section here
so when developers come in staff doesn't
know how to tell developers weird build
their buildings where the front of their
line is going to be and the right away
varies a lot it goes from 85 feet to 120
feet in places and there are places that
have teeth in it so it just there needs
to be a vision so people know what to
expect so our goals are to fix that will
improve safety will improve the
landscaping will hopefully bring in some
parks into the area and create a
signature street with character and
provide predictability for both staff
and developers currently there's an
online survey on our website it's it's a
quoi if you go to Issaquah waa gov slash
Gilman there's a survey and I have done
it and it's really cool it's you
actually get to mover Montand map around
and put dots on there write comments in
there it's a really good interactive
surveyed it's a little different than
the others and it runs through July 13th
on July 11th there's a community open
house where we will let people know
about the goals for Gilman the existing
corridor assets the beach that should be
protected or enhanced will let people
know what we know so far from the survey
and talk about what we want division you
know how this whole process is going to
work so next there will be a document we
can we're going to have a document for
the community's vision for this and
strategize how to actually implement
that vision and they will present the
draft vision at the economic vitality
commission and planning policy
commission and park board in
october/november I think ours will be in
October will present this accounts this
vision to Council in January and then
we'll start developing the corridor
concept after that and I think that's it
it was intended to be quick but do you
all have any questions about it it's
we're really excited to finally have a
vision and and some predictability here
and perhaps some more greenery and
pedestrian friendliness it's hopefully
going to be a great thing I do have a
question is that also going to include
North East Gilman Boulevard east of
Front Street no it's gonna go from SR
900 to Front Street there's been talk
about it but not yet did I snot see us
are 900 it includes s Arnott well it
goes yeah okay I will find out all the
details yes you will find all the deep
find out all the details so do
participate in the survey it is a good
one
July 11th there is the open house and
then the public works is going to come
back here in October to present
everything that they have found so far
and where we are oh I do I have some
cards here for any public or PPC who
wants it that tells you a little bit
more about it I'll leave them on the
table to see anybody a PPC want them
just same on the table I'll let him on
the table up here okay okay
any other questions okay
we're excited excellent me too that was
fast it was fast the next thing is a
presentation by Jennifer Bank the park
planner about a strategic plan that has
been looked at for a long time and yes
it has
by a lot of people and a lot of input
and and so for sure the some updating
sounds great well thank you I'm Jennifer
pink park planner couldn't be more
thrilled to be here tonight to share
with you the park's strategic plans we
have been working on this for quite some
time let me get this there we go
for tonight's presentation I'm just
gonna go through a real quick
introduction of the strategic plan
tonight's focus isn't really to dive
deep in it it's already been through the
parks board and they've made their
recommendation to Council we're really
here tonight for public hearing and
discussion on the goals and policies
portion of it but to give you a little
background in context for further
discussion on the goals and policies I'm
gonna likely walk through very quickly
the plans development and kind of what
is in there as far as structure the type
of information and the public engagement
that we went through to then inform the
goals and policies so the plan we
started working on this back in early
last year so we've been at this for
about over a year and a half now and we
have month-to-month been to the park
board they've acted as the steering
committee for the entire project we've
done several phases of public engagement
which I'll get into in just a little bit
we did our joint work on the green
necklace and the planning process was
very intentional in this was an
extensive process that really created
the foundation for all of the work
that's within the park strategic plan as
we let's see here as we enter into the
final stages of the plans adoption this
is coming to you as I mentioned with the
parts board recommendation which was
made on May 17th
and this also went to services and
Safety Committee earlier this week with
referral to Council in July
so the public engagement we did two big
phases the first phase was very
aspirational high level how are things
working for you or what are your hopes
and dreams how are we how we doing what
do you want to see within the system we
did public meetings online survey and
then also Phase two we did an additional
public engagement but it was a little
more in depth and this assisted us in
the online survey with identifying some
strategies some priorities and also
helped assist with themes that came out
of the public engagement which was also
going to be seen in the goals and
policies as well and the strategic
projects we also kind of did a third
public engagement as part of it once we
had a draft document we did have it
online for a four-week period receive
some public comment we shifted a few
pages no substantial changes were really
made to it no tech changes were made to
the goals and policies during that time
so there's been no change from the park
board's recommendation or public input
to date so out of the public engagement
five themes really emerged and there
placemaking connectivity innovative
action and a vital environment and these
themes helped shape some of the changes
that we're going to talk about in the
goals and policies and almost every
strategic project has at least two of
these themes in a summary chart the main
theme is highlighted some projects have
multiple themes that they attribute to
we also from those themes in the public
engagement we came up with a whole bunch
of strategic projects this is some of
the work that also melds with the green
necklace work 51 of these are spread out
geographically throughout the city we
also had four operational projects that
came out of it that are not represented
on here because they're not really a
site-specific
and those were a recreation facilities
strategic plan to initiate an urban
forest green Issaquah program improve
park signage trail wayfinding and also
to initiate a neighborhood grant program
yeah there's a good time to ask
questions
you can't churches oh I'm looking over
at Tiger Mountain you've got two circles
I'm not exactly sure but they are I
can't read the orange area the vast
orange area on the west side northwest
side of tiger and then there's a circle
with a red ring ring around it
those are trail heads okay so that are
we creating new trail heads they're
expanding existing or creating new
connection points yeah in the final plan
the red ring isn't there that was a
right those trails defined or is just
not the right place I discussed that we
can talk about that hang on a second let
me grab my handy-dandy cheat sheet list
that has the list of all the projects
and I can tell you what those are
specifically if I can find him so 28 is
the east sunset trailhead which is right
there so that's east central head and
then 27 is Park yeah southeast 2nd or
South 2nd and pse trailhead and the kind
of the Rainier Trail access point here
what is the time frame for those that
expansion
I have to look in the strategic projects
all the strategic projects in the
summary chart on page 73 of the park
strategic plan great specifically asks
I'm curious how that impacts that
homeless encampments it's their parks
department I'm going to be working to
relocate it as they're gonna be moving
that yeah if you know of a camp that we
need to address we can certainly I think
that's a high point on 20 yeah I don't
think I said that spot
what do you think 29 you think it's a 20
it's a 29 in the 28 there's a parks
department have any plan to deal with
the homeless encampments at 29 yeah we
do
go out and deal with them we have
protocol that we follow in doing so so
we can I can certainly make note of it
and make sure our department knows about
them they yep the homeless encampment is
is still currently at 29 there do you
know specifically where out there cuz
it's very less so if you just go to the
left of the trailhead when you when
you're at when you're at what it's now
marked at 29 there you'll follow the
trail of needles newly old 429 this is
29 yeah I think that's right it is 29 hi
pointers 29 high points actually out
here okay so I was gonna say there's no
issues with trail expansion if you're
yeah that's awesome quarantine County
areas okay the designated tent city no
it's not okay King County you can report
him to them and they have protocol as
well to follow no I want to know what
the role of less about reporting and
more about the role of health Parks
Department was working with that
community less of a reporting issue so
and sorry so last question is what is
the orange highlighted area the 28 is at
29 this here yeah that is all public
open space it's part of tradition
Plateau okay so we're gonna be building
new trails in that area or just
potentially there's maybe some enhanced
recreation out there we work closely we
just the other night took to council an
agreement for in our local with
Department of Natural Resources for Co
management of that trailhead so there's
hopes by both parties to expand use
increase recreational activities because
it's one of the more heavily used trail
heads in the state thank you
so one of the major projects in one of
the anchors that came out of the
strategic plan was the Crete corridor
this is anchor project that comes from
squawk Valley Park to the south and can
connect us all the way to Lake State
Park it includes the Rainier Trail so it
kind of woulda been play with its
connection to existing neighborhoods
connections to Old Town it's also
represented and the green necklace work
that we did you can see this is what we
currently own as parks open space we've
made some very great connections over
time we've been acquiring properties up
and down a squawk Creek for quite some
time there's a lot more work that needs
to be done as far as how that would get
laid out but one of the projects is that
anchor corridor connecting the city
connecting neighborhoods connecting with
the mountains to sound Greenway Trail
which was also another identified
corridor and also fed into the green
necklace work which we jointly did as
you may recall we earlier this year did
a joint effort on that one of the great
exciting things was when we were working
together on this everyone instantly
forgot about the boundaries of central
Issaquah and wanted to connect to the
greater Ring the natural open space the
hillside areas which is great because
that's exactly what the parks plan is
doing our strategic plan the green
necklace you know addresses system-wide
mobility for non-motorized connections
and this was also part of the central
Issaquah visions and this work really
bridges the parks strategic plan with
central Issaquah vision work and the
strategic projects that were identified
in the green necklace work also
correlate with the strategic projects
the numbering and descriptions for the
park strategic plan
so the parks strategic projects were
went through a filtration system uh of
sorts or toolkit and we broke them into
kind of three buckets here you can see
they're arranged by their priorities the
main priorities are have a bold ring on
them but we have near-term midterm and
long-term projects these problem buckets
will help inform how the visionary
document strategic plan gets implemented
through our CIP and actionable into
eventual projects and funded how did we
identify the short term medium and long
term
so we went through let's see here
there was a toolkit planning tool and it
is on page starts on page 92 and there's
a list that we run projects through
score them see if there's two really
there's the first one see if a project
suitable you know if you get a new shiny
idea that you want to focus you know ten
days after the park plan is adopted we'd
run it through this filtration system
per se and see if it's even a viable
project if it is and it would go through
the same scoring that the other projects
did and they all kind of competed
against each other and we separated the
mountain two buckets there was a phase
two checklist which I don't have the
image on but it's on page 90 starts on
page 95 the description but 96 97 and so
all the projects went through that and
then we're just kind of rated within
each other they naturally fell into
three buckets those will vary over time
and there's going to be near-term and
long-term aspects to some of those
projects which are also highlighted as
well this strategic plan is really meant
to be a very dynamic and ever-changing
document we really don't want it to be
sitting on the Shelf and we hope that it
gets changed in the future as we work
through it and keep modifying it and
because
a really a working tool for the parks
department you know a note about that I
recognized that the state mandates that
you updated every six years but I'm
curious how much discussion you guys had
about updating it more frequently six
years is a long time to kind of set it
on the shelf and even doing an interim
three-year I feel like would really help
to keep this document a little more
relevant mm-hmm I agree
we actually would start the process
though when we apply to our CEO it's
good for a six year period of time right
though we usually start that process at
year four through council discussions
earlier this week they hadn't made a
recommendation that to come back on a
yearly basis and at least do a report
out as to how we're doing you know part
of our measurings of success like kind
of check-in thank you that's right so
that would be like coming back every
year with the TI P where we change and
know we have a two year adopted CIP
process but it would be how are we doing
on our projects where are we how's the
plan working for us
yeah but it would be the same kind of
process let's see here so the strategic
projects so implementation here is just
kind of a nice graphic that really talks
how the strategic plan is gonna work you
know it's kind of the big picture idea
the 30,000 foot elevation which is gonna
you know help feed the comp plan or
six-year capital or five-year capital
improvement this was outdated five-year
help identify funding strategies and
also inform other city plans which also
helps us then set our annual operating
and capital budgets which then gets us
into the master planning process for
each of the specific strategic projects
which then at each project level we go
out and engage the public and then we
have our outcomes which are the final
projects why did you delay identifying
the funding of 2020 2021
an implementation plan for fun
process why did you delay it to 2021
well that's what our CIP is right now to
the 20 year 21 as we update that that
I'll get keep getting pushed out the
near term projects are intended to be
you know like year 1 through 6 the whole
plan is intended to be a 20 year
document of course that you know can
change but that's really what it's
intended to be it's just hard to plan
and decide which projects at first dibs
hmm if there's no funding mechanism for
them so I was just wondering why so in
the plan we do have we mentioned funding
that's really up to council you know as
far as the discussions they want to have
on some of those we have a lot of
various options available to parks for
funding them you know whether we go
bonds and capital improvement projects
operating we do grants you know there's
levy funds there's all sorts of options
available many projects are multi have
multiple funding mechanisms so we'll as
we go through this next update of the
CIP for next year right now we're in a
mid-year so next year when we update it
we'll be taking a much harder look at
the funding of all of these specific
projects I don't know if it makes sense
in this type of a plan or whether it
makes more sense in a yearly update but
it would be really nice to know which of
these projects have funding already
associated with them and what percentage
funded they already are
so that we can get a sense of okay out
of all of the near-term projects here
the areas that are at the RET of not
happening yep well what we did as you
can see on here where's my mouse this is
kind of a general funding kind of the
Yelp version how many how many dollar
signs is it going to take you to get
that project done and then as we go
through the CIP process we'll start
allocating
those specific funding sources we
specifically did not get detailed in the
funding on this in future updates if we
were to go to a performance based L OS
and some other things we'll probably get
in to that as this plan matures and
grows and as future updates but for this
first version we just didn't really yeah
and I think that makes a larger six year
plan it just does leave questions there
and I think it's appropriate to
understand when those questions are
gonna be answered yeah especially we
start thinking about acquiring land
along the creek and really trying to get
vital parcels to really expand what our
options are is kind of you know
time-sensitive and so I think
understanding where we're at on that
really helps the public to better
understand where we're at and where we
need to go and that was something that
again I read this is a good start but it
kind of lacked a little bit of those
details to kind of figure out what what
really needs to happen and what does
success really look like no we
appreciate your having that kind of
mindset for future work mm-hmm
we agree so with that I think we'll
probably jump into the goals and
policies let's see did you those pulled
up
do you know where I can find uh-huh yeah
that would work well just doing that I
forgot to ask you during the beginning
before we start at the meeting if we
could move the election the end of the
meeting instead of where it is I want to
make sure that the audience haven't
enough time to do their dope you don't
have any problem with that then we'll
change that green
let's graduate yeah well probably look
embarrassed this one bad this one yeah
so the goals and policies within the
park strategic plan came from the 2015
comprehensive Penn Park element update
they were modified according to the
feedback we received from the public the
goals the aspiration some of the
strategies the themes and tonight I
really just wanted to touch on some of
the major ones that I felt were the
newest that really related to the work
that was done the new input that was
received many of the themes you can see
were just rearranged or moved a lot of
information or deleted irrelevant and
put in some updated information but not
too much was really rearranged through
that but the new policies really are
directly related to the work that was
done and probably the first one I would
like to touch base on is policy a1 here
which is a reinvestment when we went out
to the public it was really important
for them that we heard that we take care
of what we have or we improve what it is
we have and so that that need for
reinvestment within our park spaces was
really important to them so we felt that
was a good addition to the policies the
next one I want to touch on is really a
1/4 which is placemaking again this was
one of the themes and this came directly
out of the work people wanted a sense of
place when they go experience a park
that makes it unique that this is their
space you know that they want to hang in
and linger that they frequent and feel
at home so providing a sense of place
making was really important to the
public and we felt we being a theme we
really needed to have a policy to
address it
the next two as we also had the theme
connectivity a connected trail
experience whether you live on the
valley floor or you live on a hillside
being able to get from A to B via
different routes off right-of-way was
really important and using multiple
modes to do it so providing a connected
trail experience throughout the city
that's through central Issaquah and it's
a qua Highlands connecting down and I
think you see that in some of the
strategic projects that we're really
expanding those connection pieces and
also the trail heads we while we spoke a
lot about trails we never specifically
had a policy addressing trail heads and
the need for the improvement there we
get too many cars parking on the side
and it's not safe there Cheryl has that
really need to be expanded and are worth
investing in for access because some are
in really strategic locations and sorry
one got out of order here the next one
is also the policy 83 which is create a
focused vision for the creek corridor
this was being our anchor project felt
it was again important to have a policy
that directly spoke to that connecting
people to the public park spaces and
interacting with the different city
districts neighborhoods as I said it
would really Evan flow through the city
and connecting with central Issaquah
also the mounts to sound trail and so it
would be that you serve as our primary
feature within our park system so since
that policy talks about creating a
vision and a strategy is there a sense
of when that is going to be worked on as
a specific part not yet but that's a
additional work coming out of this
strategic plan is is determining that
okay yeah
the next policies I would like to move
you to most of these were just some
rearrangements these were kept in a
similar format as far as layout to the
2015 for consistency purposes and we
understand as the plan matures over time
and we take future updates to it that
they could take a different form as well
so they're on C 1.1 I was curious about
the addition of no changes of use within
Park shall occur without parks
coordination or assessments of impact
and any mitigating measures completed
it's a new phrasing I was hoping you
could expand on a little bit have you
found that parks has been cut out of the
process right no we just want to ensure
that we are at the table with those
processes and you know making sure that
city interests for a prioritization and
for some of these connections are there
and that we are at the table tend to
help negotiate how did have you not been
I guess I was a little surprised that
seemed a little bit of a no it was
important when we both to the park board
and through the public that we heard
that they want to make sure we're there
and with those connections so which is
why it was included do you think that
this addition helps to cement that
better I I think it does I think I think
by not having it it loses a little teeth
by having it I think you know it assures
us a place at the table ensures our
involvement especially as it's a quad
grows and changes things can no longer
happen in isolation everything really is
a codependent work you know Gilman any
development so it's really just ensuring
that we're there
let me page down sorry if I make you
dizzy here there's not a lot of change
that happened through here so please
forgive me
next well the way you separated it it's
easier to understand and to focus so I
think you did a good job with taking a
long sentence and dividing it up and the
things there was more specifics to be
done yeah and a few policies that were a
little verbose we trimmed down a little
the next policy I wanted to bring your
attention to is that we added was this
about the impact fees and how they
should be used there's I think there was
some confusion amongst some people park
board members even as to how impact fees
get used and why we use them so this is
more of a clarifying this is state law
as to why we charge impact fees but
people didn't really know and so I think
it was important for us just to call it
out and really identify it for them as
to why we do that because you know we
use them for a lot of our parks
developments and it's an important
features you know where that growth pays
for growth what is the percentage you
know I would have to go back and look it
really varies upon the rate of
development you know we can go periods
of time where we're not generating a lot
and then there's times where we get a
lot so it can really vary over the years
but I don't have those figures with me
right now but I can get them to you how
often is that redress how often are you
reassessing what those fees are so the
impact fees we actually delayed a recent
him update of the impact fees for the
parks because we were going through the
strategic planning process and we knew
they were changed however the last rate
study was done in 2015 and it is updated
annually with the index so you don't
specifically
change the impact charge a percentage of
the or impact these it's a city
associated determined yes yeah I wanted
to make that clear because didn't so
that one and then f3 was the other one I
wanted to be sure to bring to your
attention is going to eventually a
performance based level of service which
would take into consideration quality of
our park spaces you know that was one
thing we heard from the public during
our engagement well you have all these
great spaces but they're lacking in some
qualities so being able to help look at
our park spaces with that third
dimension would really help it would
take some additional work as future work
that we would like to go you know strive
towards but I think is what the public
is asking for from our park system that
we really you know look at how it's
being funded the quality of the
improvements that are there and that
goes back to one of the first themes I
our policies I spoke of which was let's
take care of and reinvest in what we
have and it's adding that third
dimension in that equation
I think this level of service idea is
fantastic I would also encourage that be
part of the metric so that you bring
back annually I'm wondering what what
stands in the way of getting that done
is it just time and effort that the park
board and Parks Department needs to put
together on this or there are other
pieces there's other pieces it also goes
to our facilities and asset management
getting some of that updated so there's
been some initial steps so we've needed
to take to really jump into this body of
work okay I think we're getting we want
to get there go toward that direction
but also think about how do we get there
and what's holding us back
is there a timeframe on when
implementation well you know I haven't
heard yet but hopefully sooner than
later is our goal when you do your
presentation at every year your yearly
update you plan on coming back to PPC to
update us or do are you updating the
city that was just a council request at
services on Tuesday so but we could
always come back and let you know I do
need to be clear because I know that
commissioners are saying when you bring
it back to us but I wasn't clear that
you were actually going to do that those
updates will go to City Council or it
was a bouncer or whoever you services
but we're always welcome to come visit
if you want us to so with that if you
have any other questions about the
policies I'm happy to ask so if if you
can hold your questions until after the
public hearing because you always hear
things in the public hearing that you
might might want to add that so if
that's okay with you guys so with that
I'd like to thank you open the public
hearing on 2018 parks strategic plan and
only that at 7:13 and ask if anybody
would like to speak through the parks
plan has anybody signed up with that
well that's okay if you want to be first
and then and then we'll go you and you
okay how did the podium date your name
and your address and give us your
thoughts I'm Tom Anderson 8:37 Front
Street south
I live south end of town they're fairly
close to the second Avenue intersection
with the Rainier Trail and and the true
little trail had there that is often
called the high school trail and well
that that trail had is not signed or
anything and and it's it just struck me
as I was reading through the policy I
discovered and in policy C 2.4 on
signage the usage of signage shall be
limited in order to preserve the visual
integrity and natural character of all
the parks etc well maybe that's why
there's not a sign there it's in
violation of that clause of a policy
well if it is then the policy should be
changed well maybe it's not that maybe
there are the reasons but if I could
have a nickel for every time that
somebody asked me is this the way to
pooh-pooh point or can I get to lake
tradition this way or whatever I could
retire but alas I must keep my nose to
the grindstone because I don't have
those nickels so you know I applaud the
the the the spirit of what's being
described here but this is there's a
very good example of total failure to
really do something with that trail it's
a very popular trailhead
maybe the strategy is to keep it a
secret but I'm sorry to tell you it's
the secret is out and there's lots of
people will use that trail and there's
lots of people who get lost because they
can't find their way so if there is any
conflict between the signage policy and
what's going on there well then let's
straighten that out or whatever maybe
there's some other reason why there
can't be a sign there I don't know but
it shouldn't require very many years of
study to figure
how to put a sign there is my feeling
that's all I have to say thank you
what policy were you just quoting see
2.4 signage 2.4 all right thank you and
specifically the statement about the use
of signage shall be limited in order to
blah blah etc so if that is the reason
why there's no sign at a trailhead then
well let's rethink that policy you know
where the city likes to call itself
trailhead City and here's a here's a
popular trailhead that has no clue that
it's a trailhead well it gets used and
there's there's some problems of the
usage there and all but this is a this
is a kind of a it is not putting our
best foot forward in terms of the people
who are using that trail and I guess I
see this problem not only from the
hikers that are on that trail wandering
around and going the wrong way and
coming out over by the Gun Club instead
of where they thought they had their car
etc but also when people ask me about oh
you know I want to go to a pupu point
but the Cherico trail is so busy what do
you recommend tom and I say oh well
there's a better way to get there let's
let's not make the problem at Jericho
worse let's make it better and park in
town park at the high school or
something but I have a there's a
challenge in me even communicating with
these people about where to park and
where to go because there's no signs it
would be helpful if there if there were
some sites thank you
so that main reason for public hearing
is to get comments from the public who
are actually out in the inter land of
Issaquah so thank you for your comments
I think Jennifer will
look at that a little bit more closely
okay thank you
anybody else
ice-t Pereira old town about ten years
so first of all thanks for I'll be
serving and I think I see a new face up
there so thank you for public service
and be involved it's a chance to me to
say thank you and also a chance to
recognize that service it's also a
chance for you to say to take it heart
are the things that you're being
presented with the best things and the
best interest or how we can do it better
not maybe just accepting what comes
before you but every critical eye and
what can be improved or what can we made
better what fall short so thank you for
taking that responsibility seriously so
no specific item I want to talk about
our debt has been an effort I think in
some areas I would like to see more
concrete mechanisms on how these things
are going to happen it may be a direct
link between a parks plan and maybe city
council saying we're going to spend X
amount of money or X percentage of the
budget doing implementing this green
necklace to make sure it happens because
otherwise it's just gonna be an
aspirational goal and I'm gonna put it
up there and it's not going to
necessarily pan out as other things get
given larger commitments I also think
the scope should be larger than just
this idea green necklace but I think it
should apply to having a group or
whether its first mission look at
something larger and look at the tree
canopy overall look at green space urban
forests retention not just from a
planned destination or a destination but
maintaining the green throughout this
choir yeah thank you
this wall
I'm Janet wall and I live at two-two
seven-four-zero South East 56th Street
in the over Dale Park area and my main
passion is habitat restoration I'm a
retired fishery biologist one of the I
must admit that I have been so busy I
haven't had too much chance to look at
or find the strategic plan until this
afternoon I quickly went through the
main points of it I didn't see much
mention about wildlife or even our
iconic salmon on considerations on what
the park should be doing and that
bothers me I have spent numerous times
talking about the importance of wildlife
corridors one of the main reasons that I
moved I lived in Seattle for many years
while I was working but one of the main
reasons I moved to this area was I was
tired of just seeing English sparrows
and starlings at my bird feeder and I do
enjoy seeing a much greater variety and
seeing deer and I just talked to my some
neighbor children and they were just
ecstatic because they just recently saw
a bobcat and we're very excited about
that
and I think it's important to recognize
the needs of wildlife in an urban
increasingly urban area that we need to
preserve our wildlife corridors so that
they can move from area to area that
they need to get to and to not isolate
the Issaquah alps from one another
it I I do in general agree with with
most of the major points and the things
but as a as other people have pointed
out there's kind of a lack of detail and
I'm also evaluating what has been
happening I've I spend a fair amount of
time volunteering for veldt Bellevue
because there isn't a good volunteer
program in Issaquah
right now and for years they've only had
they finally got a volunteer coordinator
but they're only dealing with large
groups so I think you know there there
are other people that are interested in
doing projects and they'd like to work
with other people but it's it's not it's
not you know I go out and see something
and and I go ahead and do it but it's
you know would help if there was a
little more coordination there was no
mention of restoring the the Creek
buffer for salmon another another arel
wildlife I just walked today on the west
side of the creek I mean they were just
considering the east side of the creek
and the west side of the creek it had
been restored before I had worked on
there were a number of organizations
that had worked on that restoration on
the west side of the creek from Newport
way to the south and I was been a couple
of years since I'd been there and I was
dismayed that there wasn't had been no
maintenance and so it's 99% blackberries
and Ivy climbing up the trees those
trees aren't going to last long and they
provide shade for the salmon so one of
the and I know that there was a
restoration that the parks do
I did in the engi oh I can't remember
the name of the park and it wasn't
maintained and so it's you can barely
find it anymore
so that's putting a lot of hard work for
for no lasting benefit also so anyway
well yeah I could certainly use some
help by every year or for the last about
four years I've been working on removing
tanzir Eggbert from the spa area because
it was it was in danger of going
completely out of control and last year
the finally the Highlands land manager
after I had a noxious weed program
person talked to them about the need to
deal with the issue and they actually
did and so there's some hope that we can
control the tansy rag word but I've got
over 50 sites that I have to check and
remove tanzir Egbert and carrying those
heavy bags of tancy it's a real chore so
I could I could use help but you know I
haven't I've asked for it and asked for
it I've asked for help with with having
inspector to check construction areas
because it's difficult for me to get
into a construction area I don't want to
be contending with with trucks and
construction equipment so I thought you
know would make sense to have us the
site inspectors that that go in there
and check for various other erosion
other issues why not have them recognize
what tansy raggert and some of the other
Class B noxious weeds that we have in
our area
and require that they be removed but no
I try after I tried all that no dice
so what I had to do was go in on a
weekend and there was tansy right you
know in plain sight and nobody had done
anything so I had to do it on weekends
so there are a lot of things that that
could be easily changed that would help
a lot in making things much better
environment and much for both wildlife
and and more enjoyable for people so the
trail that I walked on on the west west
side of this aquatic once again the
signage issue many people don't know
about it and it's not clear whether
that's a public trail or not so that's
something that should be clarified in
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I like that policy D 1.4 speaks about
you utilizing citizen involvement
steward stewarding and maintaining the
city of is sequest park system but as
they say I haven't really found that
that they're really utilizing that and I
hope that that changes and I've seen
Bennifer write down most of your
comments so I think that something will
happen along those lines it would be
nice to have like four or five hundred
more of you that are out there working
on the making you know things better
we're out there hopefully you know be
nice to try to find some group that is
interested in doing that with the
ability of the city to allow them to do
it I know that it takes insurance and
you know you have to have all these
safeguards I really wanted to let yes
people do that but thank you and if you
have any other comments let Jennifer
know we'll see I mean like the last
gentleman you're the one out there
looking at these things and I think it's
important I know that you've spent a
long time working in the city on
Commission's on special projects so they
take your your ideas seriously so thank
you thank you honey welcome
so Connie Marsh I live on squawk there
actually are groups with the insurance
but we've never gotten much help from
the parks department so we're all used
up so we've stopped I spent 15 years
reading and without support you can't do
it for more than 15 years and we don't
have it and haven't for a long time but
I'm here to talk about the policies oh I
guess I can answer the signage issue we
do have a sorry Jennifer my
father-in-law gave the city a grant
maybe 12 years ago in Scott Alps a grant
12 years ago for signage on Park Point
so finally the signs got ordered this
summer this spring to be put into place
for the park point trails is a potential
template for signage it only took 12
years but now they're being manufactured
and hopefully will be installed shortly
it's good thing we're patient so I'm
hoping that you all got the matrix that
I also spent many hours working on
because looking at the goals and
policies made me a little crazy they
were mixed up redundant and there was
implementation mixed in with things that
I would be considered to be visions
goals and policies and so in order to
unscramble my brain I tried separating
them out and the highlights of that for
me was that we actually have quite a bit
on parks in general but on some of the
topics that you have heard today which
would be trails recreation which you
haven't heard but council talked about
and open space we basically don't have a
vision and incredibly limited goals and
policies for these things that are the
core of our park system and I think that
each of those strong areas needs their
own
independent vision sort of like having a
corporation that has their corporate
vision but you have departments that
need guidance so that they know what
they're doing to satisfy the whole
vision your goals and policies don't
have that all you have is sort of the
top vision and so right now you're
thinking wow we can't write this whole
thing tonight and so my solution to that
is you would create a work item to
rewrite this this year and let this pass
through as a temporary because I think
it is a heavy lift I don't think this
will get us even close to what we want
in the comprehensive plan so Parks
Department might be having a seizure
right now I'm not looking I she's there
out of the curve my eye but I did warn
them in advance that these were my
concerns and they don't particularly
feel like doing the work right now but
maybe they could be persuaded to do the
work in the next six months so that we
get it right as compared to just like
slapping er together Thanks anybody else
like to make a comment about the parks
plan
during seeing nobody I'm gonna close the
public hearing at 7:30 - and open it up
for no joy what would you like I very
much agree with Connie's comments and
that when I was reading a document I
found it to be very high level vision
I appreciated the being able to see the
comparison of where we were in 2015 and
where we are now but like some of my
questions tonight I'm kind of well do we
have a plan of when this is going to be
happening there's no timetable
whatsoever so I would I would like this
document to evolve past where it is and
quickly so whether that means passing it
along with kind of these conditions I'm
a fan of because I think that this
document is again a nice start but I I
felt that it was a little incomplete but
I don't know that again when I was
reading it that I felt that you know
Connie went through I have to say a
tremendous amount of work for what we
got emailed today and it was actually
something that I wasn't able to put that
much time and effort into and I was
wondering why the Parks Department
hadn't and why it hadn't been brought up
previously in all the reviews why they
hadn't also kind of dissected something
that kind of laid out a more meaningful
dialogue of where they want to go next I
don't need to have all the answers right
now I see that that being a little bit
unrealistic of staff but a little more
of a framework of saying what what are
we missing
and when are we going to be providing
that even I think it's a little as
helpful in the document even at a
minimum so passing it along with a
recommendation of having certain aspects
brought into this document I think it's
a good idea now well everybody else is
saying something
would you write down the specific things
that you would put into a motion and I
hear first it how I want to however
no I understand that but would you do
that to kind of move this along
sure okay I'm with joy I agree I think
she and Connie although I didn't get an
email from Connie today with my tricks
in it I wish I had okay
oh yeah I did not see that I agree with
uh with joy I had a couple questions but
I'll hold off with my questions until
some of my other commissioners had
chance well I'll take a shot so I think
I agree and I'll speak it for a minute
in a minute about the goals and policies
but I there's a lot in here that I do
like in in beyond the goals and policies
the the draft document wasn't in this
packet but we had in our digital packet
and I mean visually I like it I like the
screening criteria for the major
projects I like having the projects in
there and having them on a map but you
know I think there's a lot there that's
great
and it's pretty clear that there's a lot
of work that went into it and we were
involved it steps along the way and I'd
like to seeing what we did here show up
in the plan so thank you for that on the
on the policies I think I what I thought
when I was looking at them I - initial
thoughts one is man there's a lot of
words here it's a lot and just to kind
of get through first of all and then I
realized Oh most of that actually was
there before you know from the previous
document and in so it could have been
that we and it could have been
intentional to lead to do it this way I
feel like we might have just been a
little bit too beholdin to the previous
structure and their previous words and
and maybe didn't quite take the
opportunity to do a complete refresh on
it and maybe and maybe that was the
intention and if so then that's okay
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we've on lots of other plans and visions
and strategic things lately we've been
doing big refreshes so I think we're in
big refresh mode which is good
but so you know maybe you could speak to
that at some point maybe that was the
intention
it's go around and there are plans to to
do another big refresh in juggling and
then the last thing I'll say and I think
this gets to the the general comments
that enjoy and and Connie and others
were making and even just going back to
the discussion about wildlife corridors
and wildlife connectivity in ecology you
know I see it all in here but it's in
lots of different places and I think
that speaks to what Connie was saying
there's you know opportunities I think
just to move some things around and
organize it like they the analogy of
departments organized a little bit more
so that if you want to know about you
know wildlife connectivity or
restoration you can go and find it or if
you want to know about you know wave you
know wayfinding or trail heads or
whatever you can find it and so me and
so what it could be rather than a rework
of the policies it could be just a bit
of a crosswalk and maybe that's where
Connie was going with it is you know
where and the policy you can find you
know those things that people care about
so because you know word elgyn group and
we work through up if somebody in town
wants to say hey what are they doing
with that trail had their then they have
to go and sort of like sort through a
bunch of stuff it becomes a bit of a
barrier I think to them so just the user
experience might be better if it's
organized differently so I'll leave it
at that
and I support the idea of a bit of a
reorg there either you know now or at
some point in the future and we can talk
about what that looks like if we need to
yeah I would agree there everyone here I
think the overall document was great I
think what I'd like to see is you know
we we went through a list of prioritized
projects where we like to see in the
future short term medium long term and
then we had a single sentence or two
about reinvestment and what I'd like to
see is in the plan what features trails
etc do we have now that we know we want
to reinvest in
and how does that rank up against
existing projects we may find ourselves
you know having a three dollar sign type
of investment and it seems showing up
and I'm not sure how that funding works
if it's Timon on the list to get
approved so while it's great to say hey
we really need to make sure that what we
have stays up-to-date and maintained I
like to see that integrated into the
overall project list great idea
several thoughts going back to it Troy
said it about the idea of maybe we can
just do some reorganization to make the
document easier to digest for somebody
who's coming into this for the first
time wanting to know about trails and
what our policies are for that
and quite honestly honey did that mm-hmm
so if we could just take that document
and hand it over and say it's our
blessing this is beautiful and
represents tons and tons of hours of
work yeah and doesn't get rid of any of
the work that was done for the parks
strategic plan just rearranges it I
think that would be fantastic and I
think it's an option we should really
consider with that idea secondarily on
the idea of implementation and timelines
coming into a strategic plan my concern
with that is funding and all of that
really belongs to City Council and you
know when it I feel like even if we put
something in here there's no authority
behind it and so I wonder whether it's
the right method for saying it's really
important to have
an implementation plan and a funding
plan for this I don't know whether that
belongs in the strategic plan or whether
that it needs to come as a separate
report of like the CIP I think that's
interesting because it to me that talks
about specific projects when we when we
think about you know what we had laid
out in front of us I agree with you as
far as like when we look at like you
know we look at the tip or things like
that of seeing the exact you know land
acquisition versus a dog park versus
this or that but as far as there are so
many places in the document to talk
about well we're planning on doing this
and so it's actually what I think more
of implementation is about the workload
that we we really expect from parks and
to say great you've identified areas
that need addressing when is that going
to be addressed and so we constantly
talk to staff about you know when can we
get to this and they say we don't we
don't have the hours to do this this
year you know we have to do this this
year when being able to get an
understanding really from parks because
I don't want there to be another you
know issue of 12 years you know when we
know if we want to put a number on it of
these things that seem like hey this is
great and we'd all like this but then
they kind of evaporate into the ether
and so I agree with you as far as actual
agendas and assets but as far as every
time in the document we start seeing
well we'll plan on doing this I would
like to know when that is going to
happen and I'd like to know how staff is
going to be addressing that and who's
who's to say they're behind or ahead
when it's just in into the ether you
know and to me the dogs are very good at
clarification and I agree with that
concept of let's make sure that the
planning for this and the specific ideas
behind it and the work doesn't get lost
track yeah I don't know if we're able to
have Jennifer speak to kind of how she
felt about Connie's document because
when I read it I I was kind of in a bit
a bit of a block you know I felt like
this was a document that had a really
good first start but I was I was I
didn't know how to make it go to the
next level in this meeting of saying
where does it then progress to me this
was a really good first draft but to
stay like now we're done and washing our
hands of it and darting on to the
whatever the rest of the workload is the
rest the year for staff so I would love
to hear about how you guys felt the way
that it was laid out because it it to me
identified a lot of holes it helped
clean some stuff up some redundancies
and I'm curious how you guys felt about
the document before you answer that can
I get some clarification on exactly what
our role in PPC is in relation to this
land it was was it brought to us just as
a here it is and this is a really good
thing and this is what we worked on or
are we supposed to unless there was
something major wrong with it basically
you know pat you on the back and say it
was good where is where we in this the
PPC's role is the goals and policies as
they go directly into the comprehensive
plan and the parks element of the
comprehensive so we have so that's your
narrow focuses the goals and policies
okay Trish when is the next update of
the park element we update it when you
do the your plan that's when we update
our when is the next plan okay but its
annual the comp plan is amended every
year but we wait three or five years six
year to update that element what is the
next step
did you perceive would be the next step
in in this process well the next step
would hopefully be council adoption in
July for the plan and then we would go
back and start we know this this parks
strategic plan was really it was a first
big and bold effort for the Parks and
Recreation Department for the city for
parks it's very different than our past
planning documents which is one reason
why there were so many other things
changing with it we kind of left the
goals and policies that kind of as was
knowing that as we get into this plan
and we start working with it we know
changes are going to happen and we are
going to have to make changes and we
knew addressing and simple
buying the goals and policies would be a
future thing we didn't feel by changing
them at this point it was really making
any significant changes in the
information that was in there I do
understand you know an ease of reference
Connie is weren't all verbatim and they
had been vetted through the park board
already
so we'd you know have to go back through
them and make sure that we'd get the
update according to their so liking do
you have time to go back and rearrange
we do we put in extra things that all
the things that they've talked about do
you have time to do that and is there a
deadline for getting this passed yeah
well this was going to council July 16
well it was the second and I think it's
been moved to the 16th and one project
that's waiting for this is the update of
the park impact fees and so we're
waiting for this to move forward so that
we can come back and update the fees
because the fees are based on the future
projects so we can collect money from
applicants to help pay for those new
projects where we all send this back to
the park board do they have time in
their calendar - no that would delay the
park impact fees what you could do
though is add it to the recommendation
and then council can choose whether to
send it back have it on next year's work
plan they have more options that way if
you chose to forward it that way
everything at least I think everything
that's in there our great ideas whether
they're arranged in the wrong place or
not connected you're always going to
change it and if there is a reason like
the impact fees that have to be we need
them in order to do it and so I going
back to what I said - joy if you could
put down the four or five six things
that you think
to be added then we can forward that on
to the part board - to Jennifer and to
the council for them to take a stab at
looking at this and you know they could
just say hey you know we need all this
done and we're going to wait for the
impact fees so it's so it has all these
things put together but I think right
now this is one of the things that needs
to be they'll have another year to go
back and really address sufficiently
everything that come up so if we could
you know you what's in there is it all
those ideas good let me take a step back
Trish can you tell us more about the
impact fee and what's waiting on that
and then Jennifer I think you said you
guys need to do calculations based on
the projects that came up during this
park strategic plan in order to figure
out what impact fee you'd like to charge
and then what's the timeline requirement
for that right we were supposed to start
the park impact the update last year but
the park strategic plan the outreach and
the different pieces we're taking longer
and so we postponed it and because the
impact fees have to be based on future
projects that are going to add capacity
for the new growth that's coming because
the applicants can only pay for the new
capacity they can't pay for an existing
deficiency and so without knowing what
those new park facilities would be we
can't calculate a new impact and updated
impact fee
so the impact fees remain on based on
the old projects so we've been waiting
on that data until the strategic plan
has a list of the of though those new
facilities that would add capacity and
then we can base the fee on that can
those
can those get up if we approved the
strategic plan even with the idea of
sending some of these policies to you
know be revisited what would be the
timeline in figuring out what impact fee
you'd like to charge and then taking
that through council and jump in if I'm
wrong but we're hope we were hoping at a
staff level that if the strategic plan
has finished this summer in July then
the parking Peck fees can be updated and
in place by the end of the year okay and
that's usually when the impact fee is
overall are reviewed for the city it's
usually you just it takes them some
months to do the analysis based on how
much the park facility costs what's the
percentage that the city would have to
pay and the percentage that the
applicant would have to pay there's a
whole lot of calculation that goes into
the rate study so that it can be a
legally defensible fee but there's
nothing where we have to meet a deadline
in order you know it like they annually
have to update no but at this point
because it's based on the old work you
could say that we're subsidizing
development because our fees aren't
connected to the new projects that would
help and I was just trying to get a
sense of the timelines
can I add a little tidbit to that is the
impact piece can only be charged for
projects that are an approved capital
improvement plan so we need the plan to
be adopted to add the projects to the
CIP to then in add them to the park
impact fee update so there is a trickle
effect right oh maybe a good strategy
would be to pass this with the with a
carrier that it be revisited in a year
from now that's that way they can get
what they need for funding and we can
move forward with the idea of maybe
restructuring it and
a few attributes yeah I have a
clarification question related to that
if we so if if we if this moves forward
to counsel and counsel approves or
whatever is there a point in time at
which the the policies would come back
to PPC or is that I mean without
anything happening or does that wait six
years or how do I think we can update
the park element at any time cause you
do it annual one sees all right we have
you can always come back
annually so he could so I think what
you're saying Ron it it falls in line
with what an option would be move it
forward with the rider that it that we
we do come back and revisit the policies
so we could think more about the
reorganization and the presentation of
them I mean I think that makes sense to
me I mean that assumes because I don't
think he doesn't seem feasible for that
to happen between now and the council
meeting I mean maybe it does but Jeremy
it wasn't so I mean I guess that's I'm
thinking about that as another option
ever since we have you one other thing
that was talked about tonight from the
public was kind of the the missing
element of the other members of our
community of our wildlife neighbors and
I'm curious I heard a lot about play
fields in this document but a lot less
about about them and I'm curious if you
can speak to why that was not a major
section it is mentioned a little bit but
the operational strategic project the
green s aqua as we look at tree canopy
can also as we formulate that scope take
a look at where those wildlife corridors
are and that would be an opportunity to
include that in that body of work so
would you say since you said take a look
at would you say it's fair that the
Parks Department doesn't really know
right now that you guys ourselves don't
even have a map laid out of wildlife
connections corridors places to be
improved where did there's existing maps
from other agencies and stuff that we
utilize has that all been centralized
into one document that's easy for people
to see
I don't kind of like we were working on
the green necklace is there another one
that I don't believe so okay is that
something that you guys have talked
about doing yeah as part of those as I
said when we get ready to formulate the
scope of the green s aqua
you know tree canopy would be part of
that also you know wildlife looking at
all of our green infrastructure really
and we were discussing the green
necklace and a central Issaquah plan we
had mentioned protecting wildlife
corridors and wasn't it brought to our
attention that that was going to be part
of the parks plan instead of the CIP I
don't remember that was at rest you know
I'm sorry I'm good question I was
reading a note oh so when we were
discussing the green necklace and the
central ah plan months back I think it
was brought to our attention that
because we had talked about wildlife
protecting our life corridors and the
creeks it was discussed that those
protections would be part of the parks
plan right there bigger than central so
they wouldn't be just in central they'd
have to be a in the bigger plan a bigger
plan right but if they're not so
wouldn't it be in this policy document
to have the protections covered I think
there's also pieces in our in the
comprehensive plan under they have to
look but I'm picturing them in land use
that there's parts about protection of
wildlife protection of open spaces but
we can look at those but I think as Jen
said there's parts that allude to that
in the park strategic plan okay there's
also important about me
I don't either
there's we get a general sense that we
don't have a lot of dressing open space
wildlife corridors tree canopy
you know how the parks department is
going to maintain some of that open
space idea and that was one of the
things that I pulled out looking at what
Connie had created was this sense of oh
that's where it is that's how we're
going to deal with and address these
things it's important to us so yes I
think some of it is there and some of it
is handled through reorganization but I
also feel like it's just less addressed
than perhaps it should be
I would like to can I add one little
item in one of the appendices I forget
which number there is a habitat
conservation account which was part of
the prior adopted plan and we ended up
moving it forward basically unedited as
an appendices to this document so it is
still in effect and it speaks of our
natural areas and our salmon species and
vegetation and preserving those and our
corridors okay so maybe this comes into
kind of a feeling from the community
that I'm getting the much like the idea
of we need to reinvest in our parks and
understand how we're going to do that
also just generally how is parks going
to Endel and maintain and improve the
open spaces and yuna kate - yeah yeah
yeah right now it's just a lot of people
don't have a clear concept of of it only
that they care about it and so being
able to concretely say here are values
and here's how we wreck securing them
well I think somebody boat was seen in
the vital environment theme that came
forward and how it really
it's to multiple projects that you know
it is an important feature to the
community I think though what we're
getting so far is that it didn't come
through quite maybe how we're hoping it
does that would be our aspirations for a
version two which would be we are
looking for more environmental
protections I mean I think at this point
the at least my what I'm thinking is
that we we send this through with the
recommendation that the goals and
policies come back to PPC at some point
in the near future whenever possible so
we get another chance to just you know
work on it a little bit more and I don't
know what the actual process for that is
if it goes back through parks board and
then us or whatever but I think we would
have more opportunity to to make those
specific kind of wordsmithing and
rearranging things at that point in time
that's just my thought but I don't know
if that's true or not right you could do
it both ways you could do it that way
that it comes back or you could sort of
bullet them that everything looks great
except you would like a policy or
clearer direction on open space habitat
you know whatever the five things might
be so that council gets to sort of chill
those through their thought process and
maybe add them or maybe just throw them
all to us next year so you could do it
either way those two yeah I would do
both I would say here are the things
that we feel are missing and also we
want a chance to come back at this and
say it needs to be reorganized so that
we have a clear consensus of the
important areas in the park strategic
plan and that we get a chance to really
hash through it yeah I'd like to do with
park support agreed agreed
yeah that's a given
so what are maybe the four things that
we feel are unaddressed you know needs
changes or should be talked about
so we've mentioned wildlife connectivity
I think just ecosystem restoration so
the scope of the green is applause was
the language of the parks department
kind of encompasses things like tree
canopy well life corridors is that
correct Jennifer yeah we can different
language just wouldn't say the scope of
green Issaquah entails all all kind of
oaths all multiple bullet points is that
correct your language you said what's
the scope of green Issaquah so I'm
wondering if that's actually department
lingo we haven't formulated what the
entire scope would be but it is one of
the items we've identified that can be
part of that well then we would like
that formulated I think that's I think
that's the formulate the scope of green
Issaquah and then that has those sub
standard points of things like
identifying maintenance for noxious
weeds that has you know riparian
corridor maintenance that has tree life
tree canopy that has wildlife corridors
you know I I'm assuming I you know I
didn't defer to my my fellows at the
park for because I'm sure they can go on
and on about about that about those
bullet points so I have that one bullet
point I think then in Casper
encapsulates that remind me Jennifer the
the public had had a resounding
agreement of this plan to have to kind
of implement a what are we talking about
I'm sorry I'm totally spacing on what
the implementing kind of the feedback of
how the Parks Department was doing level
of service level of service I would so I
would put that on I would like to know
exactly when that plan is going to be
created and how how and when it's going
to be implemented so I think that was a
big one that for me felt like it was
kind of out there so I would put that
one along with
so you're wanting information on a
strategic project I would like to know
when we're going to switch to that to
the the level of service I think that's
part of a bigger council discussion good
I think that's a discussion that needs
to so I think that isn't that part of
what we're identifying is saying here
are things that we felt are loose yeah I
don't think that's a specific policy
necessarily but I do agree that it needs
follow-up and we'd like to know what the
plan is for it progressing hmm I
wouldn't be part of her emotions emotion
has to stick to policies and goals
because that's the only thing that we're
supposed to be looking at so then I
policy eight to four is the community in
neighborhood NORC relational corridor
distribution connectivity a to 700
different place in mine
Our client acquisition 82 for support
them implementation of the green
necklace you know create an active
non-motorized connections when is that
going to be finalized I mean that's
that's the thing a lot of these things a
lot of these policies we feel all speak
for myself are don't have any kind of
measurable timeline up to when they're
going to be addressed just that we like
them and so that's part of this these
policies being high-level so we're
saying we're adding an addendum to
counsel of when when are we know we'd
like to park espera what to say when is
this going to be a part of their
workload when when will it be addressed
it's not a part of their workload now is
it able to be in the next calendar year
if not why not
or maybe somehow connecting the list of
projects to the policies so while these
policies speak directly to projects that
are listed out if we can connect those
two and a year from now we could an
update and we see you know no projects
being done that relate to policies at
that we have say on then we know there
might be an issue okay so number one
let's come up with a list of say six
things that would like to include that
we feel are missing so what are they so
one is just a general reorganization of
the goals and policies that aligns in a
similar fashion to what was presented by
the public iconi specific this is
specifically I think that's the main
thing I I think everything that's in
there isn't fine it just needs to be
organized so that you can find trail
heads you can find while I live
connectivity you can find placemaking
right now it's all there it's just
scattered about a bit okay second one
I'd like to see stronger language around
the signage and wayfinding and
prioritizing those resources I think the
language that we have here is at c24
yeah also c24 is weak and I certainly as
a
trail user can appreciate knowing where
I am when I'm on a trail so I think
people saying that the shall be limited
in order to preserve the visual
integrity of the land yes absolutely but
I think we can also put a sign even if
it's a small sign I think those are
important things number three a
connection between policies and goals
and our projects list so if we're saying
something like you know we want to
protect existing features trails etc
what projects do we have that actually
back that up or make that a reality or I
actually disagree with that concept
I love timelines in a sense of when
things are gonna be implemented I'm not
sure if it belongs in a policy document
well so let me restate maybe not a
timeline on deliverables but you know if
we have a list of projects that you know
50 projects I think we're 45 rolls of
course if all of those kind of route
back to only 50% of the goals and
policies that are listed I think we
identify there's an issue there so in my
mind the goals and policies kind of
create you know ensure that the projects
that we do have the books that were
planning on kind of make it make a
reality so wasn't that the the idea of
the checklist was to kind of see if the
project's met the goals of the policies
yeah and also the themes within hi so
yeah we kind of did that as part of the
exercise with the prioritization of the
projects looking at what themes they
were were the themes that were within
those buckets the near-term long-term
were those projects where their policies
relating to those included so that's why
we added some of those theme based
policies to make sure that they were
touching on specific projects okay so
that that really is taken care of well I
think I'm hearing what you're saying is
you
not getting a sense of whether or not
that the specific projects meet the
policies and so what we're hearing is
maybe that happened behind the scenes
but isn't in the document are you yeah
or do you agree I it's hard for me to go
to a single page and say here's all you
know obviously we have the policies and
the goals are in front of us right now
but mapping those directly to projects
that's the piece that I'm not finding in
the document there's a theme page that
references both the projects and the
goals of policies then we should be good
but I didn't see that I think there's a
page 73 I think it is has the strategic
projects kind of at a glance okay this
is where you can kind of see which
projects are really hitting which themes
like connectivity so the conductivity
themes would then you know be seen in
that project now some of the goals and
policies I would like to add are more
for operational purposes and they will
not tie to specific projects that were
identified in here okay fair enough
so Joan then the other one is to
formulate the scope of the green of
green Issaquah there's the other point
that we we're heading on you wanted to
list our water blends of importance
when we started this there was I'm
missing some of the original thoughts
that you were going to use and I don't
think we've captured him in the four
things that we've talked about here and
I can't remember what they were but I
think they were green Issaquah idea
covers there's a lot of several of those
right maybe we want to specify them
because I'm not sure councils gonna know
well I think Jennifer does so I'm
thinking you want to see more policies
addressing things like wildlife
corridors those other three noxious weed
things like that in the policies we
don't know when we're gonna get funded
to do the green necklace work or the
green Issaquah work we know what we
would like to do but it's all based upon
what funding we get from council to be
able to go out and do that so it may be
premature for us to do that but we know
what body of elements we would like to
include in that when we do get ready to
attack that project and so then you
would be able or I'm sorry I don't mean
to cut you off no that's okay I'm just
it's hoping to be a real near-term
project for us because we understand the
need and the importance for that but
it's you know gonna be up to councils to
when we get the funding sure so but you
would be able to then it sounds like
pretty quickly put together a document
that states the policy of what you would
like that what what you'd like it to be
right now well it would be a special
point that we had send out for an RFQ or
RFP something like that I think if
there's specific policies related to
wildlife corridors or native habitats
that you would like to see we can make
sure those are addressed we just know
that in that work when we work on the
green essa quad they will be included as
part of that because it's looking at our
green infrastructure really in all of
our native areas in the management of
them I think that's what we're looking
for right now because as they're moving
forward they can take some of these
policies things and import
today's there are so looking at it
policy be 1.4 is recreation and habitat
interface it's the only policy that I'm
really seeing that really relates to you
know like riparian corridors and
wildlife habitats and and that doesn't
even come close to there I think we'd
like to address where where are you
seeing yeah so there is actually I
Circle them somewhere sorry there's a so
policy be policy be one is you know city
saw promote and protect environmental
quality open space wildlife habitat
multi-use recreation opportunities on
and on the the tricky which is I think
fine and that's where you could house a
lot of that a lot of the policies about
wildlife and any other ecologic
resources the I think the tricky part is
that then you go and like policy be 1.3
and and I'm not saying these for like
changes I'm just pointing out my
thoughts we talked about connectivity
strive to protect if 'ti of natural and
built environments which is a good thing
connectivity puros health sustainability
interaction wayfinding mobility which is
all about people connectivity and then
in parentheses at the end it says
wildlife and habitat which has nothing
to do with any of that stuff
and then if you go over to policy C
under policy C to policy C 2 is all
about encouragement of play and wise use
of vegetation which is fine for some
reason there's native vegetation drought
tolerant vegetation which are all good
things and then play areas and signage
all under the same policy which seems
like you could take native vegetation
and native drought and I'm just
restating what Connie who's done all
right by the way and pull it up under
policy b1 and there are other examples
you know further down and see 3.2 is a
native environment and and so anyway I
think it's just I think it's there a lot
of it is there it's just a matter of
reorganizing it into those departments
or buckets so that you can you know find
the wild corridors you can find the
trailhead you can find wayfinding
so for me that the reorganization is is
the first and most important thing and
then if at some point in the future you
know we wanted to come back and look at
the goals and policies more thoroughly
you know that could be a something that
happens in the future and I'd be fine
with that
is that something we want to see this
year like in five months or is that
something we want to see next year I
think not knowing completely how the
process works my recommendation I guess
would be that that would be something
that we would see after I mean I think
if parts could do what they can and
depending on what council says obviously
they do what they can with that they get
there they're blanking on the
terminology the impact fees squared away
because that's already behind schedule
by here and then we could come back and
revisit this you know I guess either
later this year possibly next year
whenever the timing worked out to really
dig in with a park board dig into the
goals and policies that's that's my I
think that's the sort of path of least
resistance at this point in time we we
have we've organized keep on going here
so reorganize sign my sign language
signage language formulation goals were
stood with the green and the goals be
specific and I'm back to us especially
in the years and some point you put down
a year I think they're gonna you know
they have to go battles and they're
working on other programs and putting
this all together just lost one staff
member to so like to add that we can put
in a year but if it takes them a year
and a half and they're not done you know
that processes takes longer but if you
want to put a date in it or you can just
say come back to us when you're done
what is your opinion who's your I put a
year in there
sure okay I'm gonna back in here
as a subjective that's adjusted target
adjusted target so it sounds like for
our as far as our safe so for action
taken 0.3 and it's for these reasons
that he is a qua PPC decided to
recommend temporary approval of these
comp plan amendments with the
understanding that the parks department
will return to PPC in one year to work
on reorganization and amendments needed
as detailed okay you can recommend that
it comes back
yeah we're recommending temporary
approval with the Enders with the
understanding that parks comes back to
us obviously council can say okay we're
not into that but I'm trying to I'm
trying to give you the actual language
of what we're giving back to you that
we're able to pass along this document
with the understanding that we want it
to be a living document that actually is
got a concrete date of when I suggest
conditional instead of temporary
temporaries a little funky okay
conditional it's on the condition that
this other thing happens right okay can
you change this - yeah yes okay so and
then add my name to it we did it is that
good that we found do we find - I think
do we find an area where we're able to
move forward while still having this
document be something that is more
tangibly being worked on so I just I
know that the parks board and and you
have put in an enormous amount of work
in this and you get on a certain way of
doing things and it sounds great and it
is great I mean I think everything in
there sounds good but there's just a few
little pieces so don't don't look at
this is like where we redesigning
everything or you know doing drastic
stuff it just needs a couple little
things that maybe you forgot to do and
that's basically all we're asking you to
do so one make sure you understood that
well actually I mean closer I think you
guys did a really great job with it well
thank you
I just as in any strategic plan it's
always sound so wonderful why can't we
do it tomorrow we want magic arms we
want the scientists we want the bushes
and trees and the canopy and everything
else so anything else
oh that emotion it was kid you want me
to restate what I had said before about
the changes to action after the action
taken by the PBC restate the motion yes
you're here okay I'd like to make a
motion for a finding of fact as stated
with the amendment of for section three
action taken and as there is for these
reasons that the Issaquah planning
policy Commission decide to recommend
conditional approval of these comp plan
comprehensive plan amendments with the
understanding that the parks department
will return to PPC in one year to work
on the reorganization and the amendments
needed as we've detailed as submitted to
the City Council
if you've got a meal that line
second second the emotion about Lindsey
second is imperfect all those in favor
say aye
motion carries so I'm gonna put Susan
okay so thank you for your input I think
I think we're all on the same page we
just have to put it together a little
bit better that's it thank you and now
we're off to the horse that's the horsey
horse so do you know the history behind
the horse I don't know if I do I'll tell
you I was like that's a good one of our
artists in the city put it together and
the Arts Commission planted it where it
was a big big deal that we we did great
horse
okay are we on - hold on Kristen we are
we're gonna continue with what Troy
collar a big refresh mode here and we're
gonna talk about the old town plan but
what I'd like to do first is our tour on
the 21st part of the purpose of that was
to help us figure out what the
boundaries were gonna be because we've
had several discussions one was to
include a northeast gilman and what used
to be old rotten and part of central
Issaquah in with old town and another
discussion came up regarding the south
the southern part of old town so we've
got the maps set up at the table and
we'll just stand around it like we did
before and I have some markers and we
can talk about that because it's kind of
hard to discuss but you want your
policies to be if you're not sure which
area you're talking about so I'd like to
do that first so originally that route
10 was in hotel and then we had it was
in the same essentially sukhasan and
then it's been discussed that we it was
moved out of central Issaquah because
the density wasn't wanted there it
didn't really have the same feel is what
we were looking for in central Issaquah
so it was pulled out of that door
the visions which are adopted on May
21st and we're out of our moratorium and
then the discussion came up hey let's
maybe potentially move that into old
town so exactly how do you want to
handle this if we do that we are going
to have a public hearing right so we
have to make sure that whatever we
discuss is able for the rest of the
people that are here to understand and
see so it's not go here and just point
here and just kind of discussion I mean
it's going to be something that they're
going to base it on so let's do this and
then have a public hearing right right
okay so there's microphones down at the
table so that you're able people are
able to understand your discussion so we
would be down there for as long as
anybody else wanting to come and see
what we're pointing to you're certainly
welcome to do that
we get cookies okay so this the solid
red line right here is the existing out
of your old town and this dotted line is
old route 10 that used to be in central
and it's now out there on its own and
being proposed and then this general
area here is what we discussed also I
don't know what we would do if it's just
come up a few times so this is up to you
guys to discuss and draw and would you
like so these what have you heard from
I heard mixed I've only heard from two
businesses specifically regarding this
and one was we really want to be a
particle town and the other was I don't
really feel like a part of old town by
the weed would be a partner so what is
the advantage the zoning right now I
will let you know next week there's a
public hearing and right now the
existing zoning is destination retail
the proposal is to rezone it to retail
which is what they were prior to being
part of central Issaquah reason being in
central Issaquah that's where we wanted
our growth to go and our density to grow
so my Heights actually burning grease
the base height was increased a little
bit as destination retail the maximum
height was still 65 feet but the
impervious surface was increased to 90%
and as under retail would be reduced to
65% but because it's no longer where we
are trying to focus growth so which is
not
this area our density is fine it's not
trying to drive over there either
so you downgrade to 65 how does that
change does anybody have to do anything
different the peoples are they're going
to stay exactly where they are they can
stay exactly as they are in there would
be an image of this needed uses I
checked they'd still be fine they were
all there under retail in the first
place so they were there there are some
that you look at you that have freedom
pavement there they're several that were
built prior to even being annexed into
the city some of those were
non-conforming under retail
anyway just as far as moving the
impervious surface goes or something
right that's some pretty much paid all
the way probably and I can't speak
specifically specifically the evening of
these properties I haven't sat down and
said I think this one has this much
impervious but just if you drive by and
look at it we haven't really did and
underneath it if you want to see it as
an air Nomad
- we were just trying to flatten these
out so from what we've discussed before
trying to go through the neighborhoods I
remember us being pretty confident
this every breath saying well we have a
gas station here it's a paint shop right
here I mean this could possibly be
redeveloped it will be moving in central
but we were pretty much more about this
so we include this then does that mean
that redevelopment of this now we'll
have to align the whole town anyway okay
so right now we were is there anyone
here who's questioning that boundary
all right see what we got it looks like
oh man yes right do-do-do-do and this is
the other boundary we were all referring
to is why is this over here
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our Java can think of the you know I
looked at the sewer and water lines mom
think it was there showing septic down
there there's no when you crystallinity
said you know when we talk about that
everything you talked about this area is
that we I know we have talked about
ahead of others but yeah I think it was
very different going dependent so losing
it all so yeah so give me give me the
argument of why we would not know I have
a hard time with this because to me it's
like I want to hold the schools
accountable the only just ask for
exemptions anyways and so they build
whatever they wanted we're not within
the design standards anyway so it's kind
of a loose argument but why would we not
want to adhere to Oldtown standards
within that area yeah it doesn't feel
like Old Town
they're going down on second I
definitely felt that way by the time
we're down here yeah and the way the
cioppino development is and then you
also think front as it comes house to
this point whether at what point do I
switch to an area where I know well at
some point it could be leveled and
rebuilt do we want those two here the
standard yeah well yeah and I think yeah
that was so one related question their
comment that we've heard at one point I
was like where is the gate with South
right now it feels like yeah if you you
know in the future if this kind of
reward to redevelop that would be a real
opportunity to kind of change the
character of that gateway right now it's
the intersection one second there but
then you know it's doesn't like feeling
here in the whole town tight get up here
these are dated I shouldn't say
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so here's why I struggle with this is
that you have runs free basically you
have one side would be the old town here
this side over here that not be in the
old town it was redeveloped and they're
all they actually could be competing
with each other so to those yz-plane
almost when I cut it off up here or use
the cream it is oh yeah this is owned by
the city yes yeah when you're coming up
there there's a lot of green here so
it's not it doesn't look the same as the
other side right now like when you're
coming up here this is a lot of coconut
green all our minds here this is not
yeah so this is
the city tries today was acquired yes
he's trying to it tries to just fire
copies all along you previously as part
of I think our question is doing one of
either chopped off dissidents or do you
want to chop off this fence right now
we're saying we'd want to include all of
this in Old Town it's a problem that it
looks disjointed so we're trying to make
this boundary to be friends where right
now we're saying this is this is a
horrible right here he were coming down
from discussion about coming up yes
would do a thing yes because the feel of
all of this you know if you're looking
at all of this this is all similar
density feel to it you get down to this
you've got school school and older
different density you know it definitely
doesn't have the same street right yes
yeah that was designation his own town
missing me that's human old town
specific set up and then you go into the
school district and I don't see
you know it's not gonna be built like
your house or any of the other downtown
homes I should say now these get default
design standards in there but if you
eliminated this from Old Town and these
could potentially be an empty
high-density but there would be no
architecture standard no
the zoning is the same they still if
there is opening under a out of town
there's still multifamily so we stopped
a fight with the multi families on the
same these over here multifamily might
as well so I think they have the same
but their architectural standards would
be different than okay they already are
they already are
yeah because the standards in Old Town
only apply to sunset and the CBD right
down there not all right so here's
they're gonna back up a little bit
what's the point of having this already
in there we don't have to change it and
we are enabled a it when Gateway down at
the bottom of their rather than up in
this very arty yeah cuz you're
undeniably it is if I went yeah but are
you in Old Town that's the big
difference
you're an issue well but are you in Old
Town I don't think you're a different
working feel yeah I feel like Old Town
because that was so close to the CBD it
was we wanted to know just a small area
to be effective right I'd be weird
though because there just is the first
thing I don't know down here are you
innocent remark until you get up to here
these are all mid-century modern these
are not mid-century modern
this is mid-century modern like fine
fine residential units or a mid-century
body there's anything after that I don't
have a strong feeling about really this
much but I do it is better for all town
so this is my first night so someone
what is the what is the difference
people
here I mean there's a code difference
right there's just a little bit the
design standards are match here as they
do standards only apply so this phase
Oldtown smooth tears one of these
buildings down and build a new one is it
going to be the same music business
right now there's not because you told
about what we're putting the entry side
sounds like something if we feel that
right now this doesn't feel like old
town but yet maybe we wanted to we're
planning for the future we say no we
want old town to draw rather than shrink
I think is right even though right now
that isn't the case design centers go in
the future we could you know our
children's children look winning policy
Commission could say no we bought
strictly by a standard for all yeah I
understand stretch why back in 1999
Sanders
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exciting back to I think the basic
question that we're are they develop
erosive develop and it's here there was
a devolve units here make it look
exactly the same don't value it really
comes down to where we're gonna put the
sign I personally vote here this is a
word to me it feels like I'm entering as
an old Municipal Center it should be
these welcome to Issaquah that could be
you're entering old alright I like to
make a proposal that we start down here
because these are all gold houses or
Venus right and that kind of feels like
that word we're sorry I mean you could
make a deer I think that's kind of where
it starts
doesn't word kilos and it is all this
eventually you'll never have an e we
need to consensus all right so let me
have some consensus they call town from
this point please I have a really hard
time chopping off all this it feels like
we're shrinking it's all potential I get
though on the face of it that it doesn't
actually kill me it's only cosmetic
because I mean these over here are not
all that different so we're not remember
that it was at our last meeting in the
training when you showed all like the
original town and then all the
annexations that map that the original
town old town was smaller yeah it is
smaller than that but you said we had
people from this neighborhood they
wanted to be I mean we're really talking
about where we feel the whole town
starts and stop
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and I don't see any value already the
other plate has change to the hotel is
based on business that's don't you get
here this is where the business is
started this is what feels like will
come to me it's not residential it's the
residential that surrounds and
incorporates those businesses but I
would agree that that is the the other
thing to think about is how could this
old town sub area be used in the future
to perhaps designates thing was like
architectural standards yeah and if so
would we want it applied to that area or
does this area feel morally
yeah we just consolidated all
neighborhood seems crazy now create a
sub area plan we're absorbing another
one you know we have to create another
neighborhood for that then yes it would
be part of we'd have to divvy up the sub
areas in a different way but he was like
we're forcing it to leave residential
they tear one of these down they're
having the same architectural we have it
clean we have our creepy the school yeah
words in four five five neighborhoods
thinking 20 30 years out and someone
else to come in
I just think it's odd to have that it is
too odd you can stop it
the problem is I'm not hearing a sailors
reason to take it out on my hair and
celebrate yeah the sales reason to take
it out is it doesn't feel special Oh
business or misuse right so it's one but
it's gridded residential that is
designed to get a walk to the business
areas there so why would we not want to
because it's it would even have to come
we'd have to create another sub area
playing rather than right now
it's part of a neighborhood you don't
necessarily have to create a better sub
area planted to these other areas we
have to create another neighborhood
named Warren bulletins
okay so that mean an administrative the
movie what's the value yeah I really
we're just changing main one they want
to know what is the physical 20 30 15
years out why would we value this when I
come down here I'm not going to say oh
look there's old town that here's
somewhere else when I get here I know
hotel hotel those directions out of my
car I'm in the middle of can someone
tell me why would we especially the only
reason I can think is if somebody wanted
to take the old town sub area and create
architectural and design standards and
we Littleton applied down to that area
personally I don't I mean that's
stretching that's yeah well to your
point cats out the bag - this is
nineteen eighties and nineties
construction with pulling two or three
dimensions
the only thing that the whole town with
me is a special district right Boulevard
it has it's not old it sir words with
four original it's it's different now
that's why you have to eat on old town
because it's special so we can go and
discuss this forever
so we have too much no no you're right
because we can't make up our minds you
know it's wellness yes there's no reason
for this so either we is it emotion or
just raise our hands and see who we need
to talk to you do yeah so I moved to
change the boundary of old town
I request we hold any motions until
after we have the public areas that
doesn't have a consensus on two options
is to chop it
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okay so we have option one is is the
shop where as option two is the leave it
yes I throw an option three inverse I'd
like to explain the idea because for
some reason we ever wanted to play say
on street lights laying or something
like that some of the decorative form
that comes down here would you match
this as people are coming in to there'd
be a soft entry into it
John the sign says you're almost old
town
so we have the concept we have 1 2 now 3
I can tell that I'm in a winning
position I don't think so ok just we
needed that for discussion ok so if we
start talking about the science
standards and whether or not I'll see
you keep taking either we keep it in
Norwood we chop it I think it's I think
it's ready I don't you know even if we
don't decide that that's where you drop
it I think that it can be decided that
somewhere in there based on whatever so
what we're going to go back up and then
we will have a volunteering so we could
get comments and then yeah I'm going to
it's in here ok it's in here ok but are
they taking testimony first or no well I
was gonna do my presentation first ok ok
switching gears oops wait
so switching gears for those who are
relatively new to this and maybe not
have attended before this was first
adopted in 1999 there has only been one
amendment to it which was in 2009 at
which point we took out any policies
referring to the bypass in 2015 a
council goal was to start addressing Old
Town there were several different things
that came up so a task force was
established was pregnant primarily an
economic task force but it was a task
force 2016 based on some of their
recommendations the old town plan update
began and part of it was the task force
like I said addressed mostly businesses
and front street and sent and sunset but
the council said we want it to be a
bigger look so that's what we looked at
the whole plan and making revisions to
the plan which would include single
family in 2017 April 2017 a year over a
year ago you all made a recommendation
to approve the amendments that we'd made
they went to council they went to land
and Shore three times and then they
remanded it back to PBC so one of the
reasons groups we've already discussed
that one of the reasons that it was
remanded back was because the plan was
very abbreviated from the first from the
tooth from the 1999 plan but then it was
abbreviated even more so that the
council thought that it needed another
look by PBC and another public hearing
for the public we also have added an
action program which includes now and
short term and longer term and the
proposed changes to the boundary so I
don't think I will go through every
policy I will kind of touch on them if
you all want me to stop feel free I will
take a look at all of the goals and just
kind of talk about some of the things in
there so the first one is goal a so it's
these have this we have the same
elements or chapters in here that we do
in central we have community
connectivity and mobility environment
economic vitality
housing and we actually added housing
section that was not in the 1999 plan so
placemaking create inviting identifiable
and desire lee desirably aesthetic civic
and cultural gatherings places that
inspire community engagement so make
public improvements where people want to
gather design gateway features and at
your recommendation we added north south
east and west not just one use
wayfinding an art to showcase old town
and support special events like the Art
Walk the wine walk salmon days in here
continuing with goal a formally
recognize the abundant treasures that
are in Issaquah or in Old Town I mean
about 1/3 2/3 1/2 to 2/3 of those are in
it Old Town incorporate additional
lighting into public gathering spaces
and partner with property owners and the
downtown is across association idea to
consolidate amenities such as garbage
and parking which is something that came
up during public comments B green
necklace continue the green necklace
through Old Town by way of a
concentrated and connected Park green
space and non-motorized system this will
evolve as the park play involves but
we've worked with the park plan on this
policies and they are fine with them as
they exist now see this is to maintain
the traditional building character in
both the cultural and and business
district and the sunset neighborhood
while allowing these areas to grow and
evolve so things that have come up are
reducing the height in on the CBD down
to four feet with setbacks to change it
from impervious surface requirements to
green requirements because we have with
the task force called grubber II which
might be a little 3 foot 3 square foot
area of shrubs that don't do anything to
update design standards and ensure that
the scale remains consistent with
everything else similar it's similar in
the multifamily along sunset the
multifamily high area but that is to
allow a maximum of 3 stories as opposed
to essentially the floor that are
allowed now I think it's 40 feet
a neighborhood ownership this is a plan
to engage residents more often right now
I'll admit there's no plan to it either
annually or semi-annually or as events
come up but come up with a more
formalized way to engage neighborhoods
and what's going on in Old Town
connectivity and mobility this support
the place making vision and character of
Old Town by developing safe efficient
and effective multimodal transportation
network that prioritizes pedestrians and
by cliffs so prioritized pedestrian
facilities meaning fill in some of the
sidewalk gaps that we have especially in
the single-family neighborhoods enhance
and make better connections for
bicyclists not only within old town but
to trails and trail heads and work with
Dia to add weather protection along
front support the placement continuing
on that prioritized cyclist facilitate
mobility options such as the trolley
which came up here a shopping shuttle to
improve mobility options for Old Town
and work with King County Metro and
other service providers to add routes
increased frequency of service and
increased service options in and around
Old Town reinvest this has already
started revisit traffic neighborhood
calming strategies and implement
improvements that discourage cut through
traffic huh we did define this you all
asked us to this is an old version and
we did define it it's in your packet the
vision definition of cut through traffic
and develop and apply solutions to
manage regional traffic impacts on front
and sunset increase availability of
parking spaces and come up with
alternative solutions such as shared or
parking districts and update parking
requirements for new development this
one came up with the task force they
were interested in potentially they say
that one of the difficulties in
redeveloping their properties is the
amount of parking that's required yet
the amount of space that is not there so
they were looking at potentially
duplicating the central Issaquah parking
standards but none of that has been
decided it's just a proposal from the
task force
so environments in rich old town
retaining and enhancing connections both
visual and physical to the natural
environment one that you all worked on
was required building setbacks to
preserve use of Issaquah Alps Mount
Rainier for Northeast Gilman Rainier
East sunset way west sunset way Front
Street and Front Street south became
very s'more specific than it used to be
protect and contribute to the
enhancement of old towns natural I think
that's amenities amen but this is more
about the it's the development itself by
means of its after garden ok
taking fast I don't know what happened
who knows economic vitality retention in
attraction promote old town as a vibrant
neighborhood business opportunity so
attract businesses that provide goods
and services both daily goods and
services to both residents and visitors
look at pop up ideas temporary solutions
commit to expand the fiber
infrastructure we talked about and
implement code revisions that allow old
town businesses to be competitive with
other businesses and retail spaces this
one we're going to talk about so last
time we were here we talked about
formula businesses which are either
franchises or chains and we asked if you
all are interested in looking at a way
to potentially regulate our limit what
can come in here so what we threw at you
was is 4.5 proposed policy but after a
little discussion took place we thought
huh is it really the use that people
don't like or say for example heaven
forbid
Jax went out of business and an office
depot went into that space as this would
that be okay is it really the use that
is the concern or is it the look of the
use that's the concern so up here are
two other options for you all to discuss
so the first one is actually dealing
with formula businesses themselves and
maintain
consider limiting those but they would
still allow grocery stores gas stations
banks without drive-throughs and some
services professional services other
options are to amend the design
standards to ensure that these new
businesses you know need to comply with
treasurer number three which is old
historic district old front Street was
small and independent shops which also
kind of limits it but within the
character and the other one is a little
more is a little tighter consider
establishing a threshold for
redevelopment projects in the culture
and business district that determines
whether at which point non-compliant
properties must come into compliance
with the old-time design standards
meaning if a property comes in and
they're going to develop redevelop their
property or remodel their property and
what they're doing is say 25% more than
the assessed value of their property as
it exists then their whole building
would have to come into compliance ok
any questions about that
so just to use an example so in in
downtown right now like the DOM and I
was down there Domino's is clearly a
formula franchise but they've moved in
and they're they're in you know the
historic building as it is so under
option a that would be okay under under
the original proposal they wouldn't be
able to go in there at all right and can
you specify what a professional services
it would be you know my Keith our
economic development director might be
able to explain it better but when it
comes to me I think of insurance and
maybe banking and I am track there yeah
that kind of thing attorneys attorneys
exactly okay Oh would we consider a
big-box store or grocery actually one of
the things that's in here that would be
exempt would be a grocery store right I
was saying what a big-box be considered
a grocery oh you mean like a target that
sells groceries yeah or let's say you
know yeah or there's the you know
smaller Wal Mart that is mainly
groceries I think that would need to be
looked at because that's a good question
we have a definition of grocery yeah
yeah that's the thing is we know we want
and the community needs to be able to
have a grocery store in Old Town however
most you know I be an independent
grocers are unfortunately going by the
wayside and it's harder and harder for
them to survive and so so I'm assuming
that if we went with either one of these
that and we did a definition of grocery
store which you all are looking at is
you know say 75% of it is groceries or
you know 75% are up somewhere in there
I'm just looking for their idea of what
different of the grocery store is
because she's right you cannot you
cannot limit or mandate anything that
happens within the building itself but
I'm sure there's a good definition of
grocery store versus big-box store out
there that we can find right news okay
help me understand the formulas business
again what is the definition of a
formula of business a formula business I
can actually pull up it's like a chain
but it is it or a friend or is it that
yeah a chain store a franchise store
that has that has 10 or more 10 or more
businesses throughout the United States
ended up 10 or more of its businesses
throughout the United States okay Oh in
Old Town going with option B Domino's
would not be able to open up an
establishment in Old Town even if they
don't met the architectural standards
well that would be if they were if they
were made again they couldn't open up a
store they can stay there as long as
they want that barbecue could because
Dan's barbecue is a one-shot deal
correct well where do we draw the line
like let's say let's let's say Burger
master wants to come in you're a local
business but they have several options
at what point are we saying you know
franchisee versus legions mm-hmm 210
locations and Tenant them thank you
actually like that and keep it more
mom-and-pop keep it more
Old Town look and feel is there a
position of the city on these three no
not right now you want us to decide
tonight or this staff doesn't have a
position Dacian tonight and then we take
it to City Council and discuss their
because this was something that you all
asked for mhm
just a quick question on option B which
is you know they would be able to come
in if they did an upgrade that was
greater than some Tony you said 25% I
think in the rest of the city it's 50%
okay out there
so that would be essentially the spirit
of that then is that they're investing
in Old Town so we're letting them come
in because they're investing and
complying with the architectural
standards and all that stuff correct
okay so I was just clarification I I
mean I think my my position on this is I
like the way 4.5 is written which
doesn't you know doesn't allow and
doesn't have any exceptions to it
basically it just says no formula or
chain restaurants are allowed in Old
Town I'm good at that okay ooh to Old
Town design standards and did they deal
with height do they deal with super
footage no not with square footage
they're limited by their setbacks so
they may have a zero foot setback in the
front but they have a ten or fifteen
foot setback in the rear and then they
have side set bet they may have side
setbacks as well so there's - it is
limited that way but it doesn't Street
or alleys in the wrench of our
discussion down there about the tooth
and actually going all the way out to
the original boundary if we went with
4.5 and Keith this question for you but
businesses open up in the southern side
Front Street well are you taking you
mean South End or family sorry this is
for Keith but are you do you mean south
of Evans yes yes if they're allowed
there by the zoning Oh in sense we would
actually have protected old town using
4.5 but then we would have Domino's
yourself there's a nor'easter why I
don't know that you said in Hampton I
mean I was in multifamily I don't know
we need to know the zoning duh right
affirm its multifamily it's multifamily
high in single-family small lot and
those aren't allowed there so you
couldn't get a Domino's I'm trying to
think out 25 years when when we have all
these people moving in and we our
population doubles and all some
businesses go you know we can't be in
the middle of old town but we want to be
close to all towns so we're gonna go
south oh we didn't see that happen yeah
they would go on Gilman central right so
so think about this a little bit
differently wrong because what this
affects is the property owners not the
businesses so if you guys if you guys
create a smaller bucket right if I'm a
property owner and I own one of those
storefronts and I have a tenant leave
the only people that I can populate that
space with is now a smaller bucket those
local mom-and-pop businesses generally
can't afford the same as those regional
franchises so as a property owner what
you're doing is potentially diminishing
their rent that they could get for their
space so it's not about the businesses
there will always be some small business
wanting to go into a space if it's cheap
enough but this is really more affecting
the property owners so just I wanted to
put that spin on it because that's
really the way this works out that's
yeah but that's maybe not promised fully
happened yet it's easier to expand in
the future that is to contract it it's
easier to say you know what we're not
getting the growth we need or we people
are going out of business we have empty
buildings and opening up to chain stores
or what have you than it is to allow
them all and now and decide we made a
huge mistake and
to contract it in the future and this
would also prevent things like the
dollar store
lazy boy and those establishments from
coming into old town as they have the
city attorney seen this pardon me the
city attorney signed off on this no
we've talked to the city attorney about
it and what you can and can't do and
what we've written down here is fine
yeah I know you not regarding a specific
pockets remember - these are policies
weed sir if this went through we would
certainly have him help us with the code
yeah Kristen I know you you already to
death but can you talk me through option
B again with the investment so so what
I'm because I like I'm hearing what
you're saying Keith that we don't want
to limit the pool of you know potential
tenants for property owners but then I'm
thinking it then how does option B
affect property owners is that it seems
like that would be a good thing for them
because we're acquiring chain stores to
invest in that so Chili's wants to come
in - Jax yeah and but they need to make
improvements and their improvements are
gonna cost more than 50% of the assessed
value of what that property is currently
valued at if that's the case then they
need to bring the rest of the building
fully into compliance with the standards
or let me do is a different ones you've
got houses up on Front Street that are
part of CBD and they want to do it
they'd have to come fully into
compliance and if the standards are that
they have to come up to the front come
up to the front property line and all
the parking has to be in the back it's
essentially a rebuild of that property
and to build something in compliance and
the city staff reach out to dia and get
a comment on this we can
tell about the chamber no the downtown
is going downtown this Christmas wish
like there's no reason not to reach out
to the chamber as well because yeah yeah
because I you know like on on the
surface I like the idea of not allowing
change towards Middletown but I don't
like the idea of you know penalizing the
property owners basically and not
getting up and giving them the
opportunity to have tenants and I don't
know enough about the relationship
between property owners and tenants to
know what B would do like because B
might also limit it if the tenants like
well if I'm not gonna go there because
it's just the economics don't work
because I have to invest a bunch of
money to come up to standards then I'm
gonna go somewhere else but I don't have
to so seems like and and that's a
completely hypothetical my with no data
but it seems to me that right now I'm
changing my mind that the best option I
think is option B I know I'm wishy-washy
is anyone in here familiar with the
dollar store and how that process led up
I'm just curious because it's at naked
for a while so was it vacant because we
couldn't find local businesses to invest
in or was it vacant because the owners
were waiting for the highest bid which
is a chain store thing was the highest
paid so so it's so this is economics
there was red apple market could was
willing to take that space at eight
dollars a square foot Dollar Tree is 12
what was it what was the market or they
markets which you can get right no no
when the original market was out I shut
down where were they paying for a square
foot
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so they were probably around eight or
ten the problem is also that that market
because they kind of closed in the
middle of the night they left the owner
with not only a big problem because the
store needed to be cleaned out but also
expectation for lease payments that the
property owner then obviously didn't get
so so their desire to potentially risk
that outcome on another local user was
also another reason why they went with
guaranteed money right that's why the
concern right is we open this up to
chain stores and they start out bidding
out pricing the mama pops that may have
the economic ability to move in there
all sudden were stuck with chain stores
in old town yeah I was thinking the same
yeah and chain stores can go anywhere
else in the city and so being able to
Highland because it's economics in the
building I'm absolutely gonna want the
most I can possibly get per square foot
I I don't know if I'm morally going to
say I'm gonna save it for a mama pop and
make half the money right this that's
not what they're there to do and what if
it didn't look like a franchise or a
chain store what if it was the a chain
store but they just changed the logo
changed the sign changed what the inside
looked like so it looked you know
there's some towns that that require you
not to look like the storefront nursing
right like the logos different or
because they're trying to look more like
the town that they're in Leavenworth is
a great some ideas over here all right
I'm just saying is the prescription is
it the use or is it what the use looks
like it's really a deep a deep analysis
to think about because we are really
making the decision between franchises
that can pay more money versus the
mom-and-pop so we're really creating a
protection or small mom-and-pop
operations
to have businesses in Oldtown versus
chain operation that could easily be in
the CIP I think that's fair Trish to
your point if you know we'll call it
mom-and-pop couch store and moved in
where you know where some lazy boy was
what we feel differently I think we
would I from my from my seat here and
saying that somebody's selling chairs
versus a chain store who had already had
a failed spot in the city coming in I
feel differently about so to use the
examples that we have I would say that
it's less about what they're selling and
more about how they're contributing to
community and so I think it's more than
just how it looks
yep and if they go with option B all
they have to do is say we're gonna we're
going to change 25 percent or more of
our building and then we're going to go
ahead and take the whole building down
and rebuild a new building and it may be
within our height Stanners but we lose
the character character of the
centralizer
they'd have to meet that yeah it still
have to meet the design standards which
are pretty involves windows and
materials and doors and locations and it
wouldn't be final colors yeah I mean so
the design stairs do they are they
current designs for the dollar store and
for lazyboy are those do those match in
design Staters they do not they were not
on place right okay got it
what do you mean they were not in place
weren't they not in place when those
plans were approved that correct yeah
yeah
okay should we I mean
Joan do you want to move on do you want
to continue this discussion we want to
wrap up and actually have a vote on this
portion or do you want to well we need
public comment before any of it yes I
don't know if I would just what mom and
pop I would like or is that draw people
in and generally that draw people in and
and stay in and provide a service that
the people here want you're not gonna
have any big stores they're small units
I don't know if that's really the right
way of go
I don't want box stores in there but I
don't want just mom and pop even just an
old town I think is you have the
Highlands I mean there's other places in
this city for all variety of businesses
to come but if you live in Old Town you
want to have some basis of staying in
there you don't want to have to get in
your car and drive to the islands for
everything you need you think this will
drive out the ability to have services
in the area oh this is just a comment to
me I'm not sure if I want just mom and
pop now you can come in with mom and pop
card store and a mom and pop this and a
mom and pop dot and that's all good and
and they you know as a business that's
great but is that what you want for
downtown you want an insurance company
and a card store or do you want
something that's actually going to bring
people downtown and I don't know how you
do that a mom-and-pop could bring bring
people downtown and so could a box store
that maybe is not the big Lowe's but a
national brand that is basically a small
or so to me that's very difficult and
you mentioned footprints we have
buildings on Front Street that have
multiple businesses right what's to stop
a single business coming in and
occupying
of multiple locations to where you have
you do have a big box turn out that you
know stretches 200 feet of Front Street
I am familiar with two different
locations now they're in northern
Michigan but two locations where Ace
Hardware has come in and occupied
buildings in old towns their central
downtown's
and in one case they did that they
knocked down the shared walls and took
it all along the street but the street
still has the same character you still
have the same windows you still have the
brick you still have everything that was
there you know 80 years ago it's just
how the piece sorry it just has an Ace
Hardware I think we need to think this
through we're all over the place there's
no consistency well there is some
consistency no we've changed our stories
multiple times here's I think we what's
our timeline deadline what's the
requirements the idea was that there'd
be a recommendation tonight I mean but
but there is no deadline and just put
you know just postpones it all right you
know we'd like to get started on the
design standards sooner rather than
later but you want to get it right you
want to know what your vision is and
what you're designing for before you
start that so there's two issues it's
drawing of where it is and the rest of
that goals so I want you to keep that
thought and I want to open up the public
hearing can I can I pull out one more
thing okay please okay so I'll skip most
of this seat none it hasn't changed you
can't evict ality housing I will bring
up the point though for residents that
there is a proposal to do design
standards for single-family housing
which would be like our single-family
duplex area that has not been done in
the city before but PBC has proposed it
and that's just to keep the character of
the area there's there are two new
things that have come up you'll see
number six down here so one of the
things that we've discussed is kind of
reducing or maintaining the density in
Old Town there are areas and this is an
extension of that there are areas in Old
Town that are actually receiving sites
which means bill that there are sin
sites and receiving sites and if they're
sending sites or areas that we would
like to see remain natural or open
spaces and the development rights for
those properties could be purchased and
then applied to receiving sites who can
build higher so there are some receiving
sites in Old Town and this proposal
would be to make code revisions to
remove all of the Old Town parcels that
are receiving sites from that from being
able to do that thank you
so that is new in here tonight another
thing that I apologize I didn't put in
here but I just want to point out that
we did do it let's see it's number 12 up
here which would now be number 13 it
came up last time to conduct a fight net
this says conduct a financial analysis
to identify funding for implementation
of the front street streetscape plan in
the plan that does say at a
recommendation last time to do the
funding implementation of mmm and it's
cut off here unfortunately phases that
address pedestrian areas which would be
front all the way in three different
phases all the way from sunset up to
Gilman do the financial analysis for
that piece first and then in the next
section 22 21 or 22 22 then do the look
at a physical analysis for the rest of
the streetscape plan that came up at our
last meeting whether we discussed this
that change was made okay I'm done
so now I will open up the public hearing
at 9:25 and ask if anybody wants to
discuss to the old town plan please sir
and I hope your wife is doing well she
is thank you
it's some political thing any rate I'm
bill Frey singer I live at 4:15
southeast Bush Street in the old town
area there's a quick aside the idea of
not renting transfer of Delevan right
seems like a really great idea and an
objective for you tonight might be to
agree at least on the boundaries of the
map there and I have an input on that in
that initially I like the idea of the
grip going down Front Street where
there's old houses and - you can't go
down to where the apartments are but in
thinking about it I don't know what the
zoning is in those houses but sooner or
later they're going to be that's going
to be developed anyway it's on a it's
not a busy street so I'd be tempted to -
those houses that that slide down a
couple of blocks to have that outside on
the grounds that it's bound to get
redeveloped in an area that wouldn't fit
in with Old Town on the subject of
they're really naughty one about how
you're gonna what you gonna permit I
agree it's naughty but keep in mind that
the two big spots you've got where
dollar is right now and we're lazy boy
is it's very different than then kind of
the rest of it and what makes sense for
the rest of it but necessarily make
sense for those grocery store could go
and either one of those admittedly but I
can't think of anything else they could
go in that would fit your standards if
you if you had rules about the you know
like big
big-box stores if you had rules about
appearance then that would be easier to
work I sort of like the idea that he had
a rule that you know what a lot Apple
come in was that less sort of attractive
but not only is it awkward for the owner
but I got another big store and I don't
know what I put in that spot so anyway I
have think about these big sites in
addition to the little sites when you're
trying to decide what to do thank you
very much
I guess looking at the empty audience
it's my turn so several thoughts so I
kind of think of this conceptually I
think there's a lot of charges for their
christie pereira old town about ten
years it seems like there's a lot of
neighborhoods in this quad they're kind
of organized and involved and they had
kind of specific plans like talus and
the highlands area and there was
particular vision and kind of what i
hear now when i look at development of
the old town neighborhood is a group
that doesn't really have that same
organization and i hear a lot of people
saying this is what we want you to
become and it's not so much i think or
an organic sense of what people living
there want to be to be told to have
higher density less improved or more
yeah less impervious or more impervious
service i was get that mixed up so that
kind of concerns me specifically i was
thinking about the old route 10 area was
talked about being removed from central
Issaquah plan one of the things i guess
i would like to hear as part of that is
what are the reasons pro and con for
that from the city standpoint the same
thing could be said about moving the
area that's south what are the areas of
pros and cons I'm not even really heard
that strong argument why one or the
other the thing that occurs to me as far
as the old route 10 it was originally
thought it could be its own neighborhood
I know there are some businesses I would
specifically like to slap this central
cultural business district label on like
like bombs chocolate like the grains
like I'm sorry the hamburger place that
I can soon remember the name of thank
you that are definitely cultural
treasures that I think we're going to
lose to development if we just let it be
zoned er without protecting them in some
way I think though you keep the area
expanded from a sense of protecting what
is the old town historic
hood and have it that it kind of be a
transitional area I think you need to
look again 10 20 25 years out for our
kids as kids to be there what do we
wanted you to protect that area do we
want to look at change in the zoning all
that I think that needs to be a part of
the discussion going forward that was
kind of big picture the memo from the
fine and a fact sheet I found strange
and that are talked about On June 14th
the PBC recommends doing certain things
it was printed out beforehand I don't
understand why it was been Dad presuming
you were all going to prove what was
encouraged so I found that strange
specifically amen amendment 3 this is on
defining a fact sheet I guess I'm
looking at the PPC not recommending I'm
trying to find the exact wording
environmental reviews not be considered
that were applied to April 21st 2017 I
think you gotta have requirement to have
that for each each proposed construction
it has it goes forward not a blanket
statement applied the table of contents
on the tape of the actually the whole
town the old town map with the whole
with the horse picture on it
I just wanted with that and yes I'm
sorry I do have some comments the
quality of life sections of page four I
didn't like the open the statement truly
gate great neighborhoods are those that
organic those that have evolved and
grown over time take place where people
want to live work and visit I think we
can be a great neighborhood and still
keep that character and charm that's in
place so I kind of reject that premise
number two cut through traffic has been
worse I think we definitely do something
about that but I think adding density of
apartment complexes and businesses
retail businesses and ground-floor and
apartment complexes on the top floors
are going to only add to the density add
to the parking pressures that exist when
folks have already rejected a tax
proposal to add parking and you already
have traffic zones traffic's streets
that are exempted because we're already
feeling for the traffic areas I think
that needs to be considered as part of
the discussion going forward same page
number five a lot of the business owners
feel that development calls are outdated
again we're not meant to be the CIP were
meant to be the cultural business
searchers do Old Town sub-area plan just
because somebody wants to develop
something doesn't mean the standard is
old so I think I reject that premise if
you want something different then
developing the Hyland's develop in the
Gilman Boulevard area lots of places to
develop
page five all-time zakat will be looks
like the fifth fourth the fourth bullet
a safe diverse and welcoming
neighborhood
I'm just understanding what the what the
term diverse means to is it doesn't mean
types of businesses to be something
different than a unique and special
character place will be big-box stores
will be whatever that's the part that
concerns me if it's going to be
something different than the business
opportunities that make it unique and
quaint that draw people to it that is
the Issaquah that we think of when we
think of as Gua then I have concerns
with changes that would allow that take
place page six number one just two
comments isn't so place making there are
some businesses restaurants that have
placed umbrellas and public parking I
like to make sure the umbrellas don't
have advertisement for another place it
just becomes a billboard it doesn't
become part of the restaurant proceeding
so it becomes more marketing so no I'm
working loud the other was that you're
not allowed to smoke within 25 feet of
public buildings so I think those all
those places should be no smoking it
should be marked in the forest by the
current restaurant if not then enforced
by the law
moving down goal c 1.9 I'm guess I'm
only in favor of two stories worth of
growth there are not the four stories
that are proposed the same for one point
ten which to apply to the sunset area
part of my concerns are traffic is
already good LOC parkings or a good
locked you're going to add more people
more density where even apart and place
those people when you don't have that in
place today
golde 1.11 established regularly
recurring community forum with all ten
residents property and business owners
and I guess I understand what the
mechanism is for residents who have
concerns that that is not just listened
to and heard but
some type of mechanism that allows
enforcement of those concerns over the
prioritized business development that
seems to be occurring
goli balanced transportation 2.3 I'm not
a fan of allowing weather protection on
the facades I think the cultural
business district is unique character
and charm if you allow weather
protection it's going to have uniformity
and sameness of the businesses I think
that's a bad feature it rains in
Issaquah but it also blocks the sunshine
when you put in weather parking so I'm
not in favor of that for that reason oh
gee parking 2.9 I guess I'm in favor if
businesses want to increase parking then
let them pay for parking let them pay
for strikes that will allow that I don't
think that should be public funder
dollars to promote the business goal age
natural environment this is page 8 3.1
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so I guess I'm not as much a fan of
green facades living walls and landscape
walls I'm in favor of the greenery and
the lower density permeable spaces I
think if you take out an existing tree
you need to replace it with an existing
style tree not shrubbery or a smaller
green tree that can fit into a tree pot
again keep the same existing permeable
surface requirements that are in place I
don't think you should allow a 95%
permeable surface non permeable surfaces
I guess I'm not not a fan of the the
setbacks for the buildings that was
three point four three point five again
replace existing agent Ruiz with the
same style a tree that you removed for
carbon offset goal I sustainability so I
guess there's I just want to talk about
it talks about the word encourage I'm
sure we're not saying that we're in
incentivize so again I'm not sure that I
want to say public dollars spent for
solar energy necessarily on the
businesses without better understand at
least what that is and 3.7 was the
charging stations I think residents
already if they live in Issaquah they
probably and have an electric car they
have charging options at home so I don't
think we need that for residents and I'm
not sure that the college you have any I
don't want to cut you off but you've
gone through every I haven't gone
through every respectfully really close
I've got three pages but there is sort
of a time limit III don't know how to
incorporate everything that you said I
know that some of the ideas are you know
valid I don't know how to this is fair
to say you don't like this documents to
you I have some concerns with the
document I'm not sure that I'd say that
I'm dislike it
and I was trying to address the
specifics of what I didn't like to try
to be actionable in the hopes that you
could find support for those things and
make changes in in order to fully
address I mean that's what public
hearing is is to hear your comments but
since there are so many the only way I
could really understand and really look
at what you're saying is if you actually
write it out if you're willing to take
the time to put some of those ideas take
the first onee and give us some idea I
mean cuz I'm having a hard time hearing
everything that you're saying and I
certainly want to be able to address
those ideas so if you could write them
down you know you know I can't even read
my own handwriting let alone you know so
yes I accept you're gonna be except
you're gonna be possibly approving these
things too I like I can't if I may
interrupt like for instance your comment
about like umbrellas you wanted to fit
with the theme of Old Town rather than
have them be advertisements on the
umbrellas to me that's code you know
that's less policy than code and so some
of these things are suggestions we can
give staff to say hey when you're
building the code for Old Town based on
this policy we'd like to see a
continuous feel and so that to me that's
a good example of something that you
said that maybe you know wouldn't apply
necessarily to this document but does
apply to how we want to create you know
this policy document to create the life
of bull town no maybe III I'm hearing
what you're saying and I I guess I found
words are just intrinsically value and
it's the granularity when appropriate
I think bill or umbrellas in that
example umbrellas that advertise for a
product you either that store or a third
party store is a policy question and
it's not a code issue from my
perspective than obviously I'm sure I
have my biases like anybody else does
I'm not sure what things are already
addressed in other other areas but some
of them are good additions but again if
you can email the staff email you know
and we haven't decided that we're going
to accept this as we have a little bit
of discussion here so we know that you
have you as a member of the community
have some comments and issues about some
of the some of the goals and policies in
here but I don't think we can address
all of them tonight may I make a request
I want to ask Trish next week we're
having a special meeting is it possible
that we have time in our agenda to to
finish this old town discussion would
that allow Steve to be able to submit
and then the you know viewing public at
home to submit changes to this document
and we would finalize it we could try is
there time to have a lot of time to cuz
the packet for next week goes out
tomorrow morning but we could certainly
because if you continue tonight's
hearing you have to continue it to a
date and time certain so oh is there
time in our in our calendar to continue
the discussion I'm just saying I don't
even know that there is time right well
if you continued it to next week you'd
have to let us know what you wanted to
have to be done by next week by when we
come back if you wanted new policies
drafted if you wanted because that's a
pretty short turnaround dependent but if
you just want time to discuss it that's
not ten o'clock at night
you know that would be perfect for next
week but it all depends on what you
expect what you would like to happen
between now and the next meeting and
this I think what I would expect is that
this document would look relatively the
same but yet we would maybe have more
comments from both Steve and maybe other
people email out to us to be able to be
able to go through the document
piece by piece to see what they're
saying to continue the discussion
I can certainly commit to having typed
comments and before you all it would
also allow us to maybe reach out to dia
and Z or the Chamber of Commerce and see
if they want to contribute to the
conversation
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yeah I would I would love that because I
think from my perspective we've been
looking at this document and it's been
turned over it's been turned over you
know we you know Christine went over a
lot of things we've asked for and we've
gotten about clarification and adding
things and so this is document has grown
in a way that I'm really proud of and so
it sounds like there's still some issues
that I wasn't really aware of and so
being able to have that time to respond
to it if it's in our docket to do so I
think it could be nice especially with
the kind of the considerations if we're
not ready to make a call yet on on
franchises because we could do if you
wanted to continue it to next Thursday I
think there's a bunch of questions and I
think we need to be cognizant of some of
the comments that we're receiving so if
we can do that that would be great it is
almost 10 o'clock so the key is that
next week is not in this room it's at
the Pickering room
over by the Holiday Inn in City Hall
Northwest right which is why it's
important for us to be able to receive
staff receive the public's input through
staff so we have it ahead of next
meeting also to be able to adjust it and
if it can't be answers to all of them at
least you know you can go through them
and pick the major ones that might have
actual an impact or change some of them
are probably already addressed in other
areas or can't be if we could get those
from staff I know you're busy it would
be nice to get some comments you settle
this okay so with that I'm going to step
aside and I will work on the coming days
on time and something and getting it
submitted okay if you're if you're going
to submit any any of your comments
you're going to have to do them very
quickly like Mauro the next day yes you
have to work very hard to I have been
working very hard but I take that and
under I will meet that standard well you
know I realistic thing I think you know
there there are comments that you made
that are really that you feel are really
important and those are the ones that I
think we should address so if you can at
least give us that information so that
we can discuss it you know otherwise I
think we were ready to make some final
decisions on this so we're doing which
is what I understood this for this the
purpose of being here was so I will work
on Yin this typed up I'm sure probably
won't be until tomorrow night
well you know it depends on how fast you
can get a man how fast the staff can do
something so I understood
we're continuing again again I was
trying to respect to cup up a comment
process so thank you all again for your
service thank you you okay with that
we're going to continue that publicly
your hearing till next next there's what
it first and there's already a public
hearing so it would be the the time
would be sometime after 6:30 p.m. okay
oh yes because we have another one
that's already scheduled for 6:30 okay
so do your homework and all right so I
have four bullet points I wanted to
share with you before we close on this
topic of the boundary I believe that we
should involve the southern Oldtown
stakeholders to get their feedback there
may be intrinsic stakeholder value that
we are not considering there is no
foreseeable value or reason to removing
this other neighborhood now removing it
today may be short-sighted and not fully
understanding the pros or cons of the
decision
I haven't been sold on why we should
other than the fact that it looks funny
on paper I don't know if that's really a
good enough reason to do something like
oh I just want to close them back
thank you listen oh they'll consider it
and it will be on the docket for next
two we continued yes - to be continued
so elections yeah so on the last thing
on that
on the agenda is elections of chair and
vice-chair do you have any nominations I
would like to nominate Joan to be our
chair as as I think M is the second no
the second longest serving member
standing policy Commission I could say
the her insight has been highly valued
and I
agree a lot with her leadership
decisions on how she runs this and I
would like to nominate Joan to continue
to be our chair I would second that
competition you have to vote all in
favor of Joan continuing to be your
chair I think you're all way too late
mm-hmm
well we need a vice chair and even
though I think all of you would be
capable you're all awesome know your
stuff and great ideas and I love you
you know normally you could run this
meeting with raise your hand and I don't
you know looking at the people that are
on the Commission I don't think that
would work because you're you get into
it and you're you know I've had a couple
comments and said hey you know you
should be more and and I don't want to
do that because I think that's gonna cut
down on your your ideas and your
interest in it but Ron has been the vice
chair for a year and he has not had the
opportunity to run a meeting and he
really wants to run a meeting and so I'd
like to nominate him to continue in this
position because I know I'm gonna be go
in for a couple meetings this year and
it's been it's been working hard and you
know kind of getting in the mold to to
run a meeting and
the vice-chair so I would like to
nominate him to stay at nice chair
that's okay second of me any other
nominations that would you vote on we
need to huzzah wasn't favor say aye
thank you with that I'll close the
meeting at 10:00 I'm think ten nine
fifty nine ten ten ten
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