good evening and welcome to the January
11th meeting of the planning policy
commission tonight we're going to do
something a little different and not
working on vision this evening we're
just talking about safe sight injects
safe injection sites for the city so I
think what I'm going to do is since we
don't have a anything to approve we're
going to go right to Trish and see get
her explanation of what's going on in
the city okay
why are we doing this we get this
question a lot King County has done two
things
they have a they did a plan to try to
combat the opioid crisis and one of the
ideas in the plan was they should have
to pilot safe injection sites one
located in Seattle and one located
somewhere else in King County and
they're looking for that place to put
the second pilot and so that's one of
them and the other one is the the
opposition to safe injection sites has
got an initiative on the ballot for
February to prohibit them everywhere in
King County so we have these two things
going on and so our City Council decided
they wanted to talk about this right
away and and oppose having them here
because it we don't have that that Human
Services Network for those with drug
abuse issues so September they talked
about it they talked about it again in
October of last year and set a six-month
moratorium then in November they had a
public hearing and they actually sent an
ordinance which I gave you the clip that
said they felt that we should prohibit
safe injection sites in all zoning
districts Human Services Commission went
a little further they actually had a
special meeting with an expert and they
talked about the opioid crisis and after
they did their research and more
education they wrote a letter that's in
your packet to the mayor and city
council also opposing safe injection
sites in the city
so that's sort of the process in a
nutshell so tonight what we're doing is
there's proposed code language for
central Issaquah and the rest of the
city that defines safe injection sites
community the longer name and and says
that they're not allowed in any of the
zoning districts so it's in both central
is Squa and the entire city
you might wonder what is a safe
injection site here's a picture of one
in Vancouver BC where you can come in
you have to bring in your own drugs you
can't get them there and you pick up
your little you're a little safe you're
clean needles and you're sterile things
and you pick up your little kit and you
go over into your little room and you do
your thing and there's a little there's
a nurse here that's making sure that the
you know an overdose and if you need any
help or if you want some counselling or
if you're thinking that maybe you would
like to quit or any or all of the above
there's folks there to help you through
that and they've tried them in Canada I
don't know a lot there's a lot of data
out there but I didn't delve into a lot
of it knowing that it seemed pretty
clear where the direction that Issaquah
might be going so I didn't do a lot of
research but that's that seemed to be
enough for tonight unless you guys had a
lot of questions I didn't get any
questions in email so I figured this was
enough what are our neighbors doing as
of yesterday I talked to our folks at
MMR SC municipal research and services
that we use and the list the long list
are those cities and jurisdictions that
have already prohibited safe injection
sites they got in there right early and
they said no we don't want to be the
pilot and in the process like we are are
just the three and at this time as I
said no one's volunteered to be that
second pilot site for King County any
questions
so I talked around a little bit about
this definition this comes out of I
believe King County but also the one
this is the longest one we could find
this was out of Bellevue and the King
County one that seems to have every name
that they're called everything that
could happen in one it seemed to be the
biggest net and we wanted the biggest
net legally to be sure that we were
protected against anything that even
seemed to be like a safe injection site
so that's the definition and then as I
said we prohibited them in all zoning
districts centrally so kua and the rest
of the city there any questions on that
part the public hearing is tonight for
you to review and ask questions and
ponder and listen to the public if they
have comments and then land in Shorewood
review at the council-manager would
review it in February and then our hope
is that there'd be council action in
March before the moratorium before the
moratorium on safe injection sites not
the other moratorium this one is over in
March the end of March are there
questions on the process just to be
clear the council just recommended it
they did not vote on it right it's an
odd it's a great question it's in the
ordinance the ordinance is direct staff
to write it this certain way and that's
why I put that in italics in your staff
report because I've never seen that done
before not that I've seen everything but
to me it was very interesting to have
specific language directed in an
ordinance that's actually setting a
moratorium but I'm sure it's fine
because it went through the city
attorney but so that's why I pulled that
out so you all could see that that's why
this code came out with the language
that it came out with no I was just
getting to the to the point that tonight
we're just going to discuss it get more
input from the community and
gusts among ourselves and make a
recommendation to go for or against to
the City Council go to the council and
they can use that just for more actually
the opportunity for the community out
which is what this length right okay so
are there any anything that you want to
talk about before I open the on the
comment and there was one comment from
Althea she's not feeling well tonight
she asked that instead of leaving it
open the way we've done the code is we
leave the blanks open in the permitted
land use tables meaning that they're not
permitted if they don't have a letter of
review in them they're not permitted
she believes we should actually write in
in that line that they're not permitted
so I would I would give you that as a
suggestion from a fellow commissioner I
was there a difference she mentioned not
permitted or was the two words she use I
actually wrote it down she use not
permitted instead of it no hibbett 'add
is there a difference is there any no
it's the table of permitted land uses I
get you the same thing I think at least
what I took her comment Amin is leaving
it empty
maybe seem confusing to folks and so she
wanted us to actually write in that in
that column here instead of leaving it
open which to the planners means it's
not permitted because there's no process
in any of the boxes that you could be
like these right here are only permitted
in in these zones up here whereas if you
don't have any peas then you're not
permitted in any zone I can see where it
would right because this table is a lot
longer I just cut and paste it and I'm
happy to if you feel strongly that that
would be more clear to prohibit it I'm
happy to do that to have that if we have
an industry best practice already
establish where it's blank meaning it's
not prohibited I mean it's not permitted
therefore any way by default it's
prohibited right and
that in itself is satisfactory this is a
document used by planners and developers
they're used to the system keep it Isis
right because right here you can I put
the legend where it says no number not
permitted so the other table just didn't
have that it's just making changes I
want you got to change them all Wow
and it's adding more stuff to the table
that doesn't necessarily need to be
there right good point okay do you want
to open it up is there anybody on them
maybe I missed something but you tell me
why it's broken down into two amendments
because we have the central Issaquah
standards which is one land use code for
the central Issaquah but if we say
prohibited everywhere in the city of
Issaquah that includes the central zone
or central district right when you say
it that way it does but we have two
different locations that we have to put
it same with marijuana remember when we
did marijuana we had to put it in both I
don't remember
oh I think of them as the same it's the
same zip code right I mean we only you
only have two zip codes in the city I
I'm not the one to ask about zip codes
I'm not that's not my wheelhouse really
I know we have to land use codes exactly
at least split it sounds like it's
played in here as well but yeah I don't
I don't think it makes any difference
you know the city called and just saying
prohibited in the city of history laws
should be all you need to say because if
you put it in the IMC which is the rest
of the city as you see up here the zones
up here don't have urban core they don't
have any of the zones in central ok if
the city planners feel comfortable with
putting it in two places then we are
fine with Romeo a new place but maybe in
a future time we can talk about
simplifying our code system okay
physical with that I'm going to open the
public comment at 6:40 or and if is
there anybody that signed up or anybody
would like to address the issue of
injection sites if he would like to come
and we would be it's really cool because
we've come on up and introduce yourself
so this is a time for citizens to come i
watch the tennis so this is my my gig
tonight James Dennis I live up in Telus
one thing I did notice and my question
is just based on what I saw I saw a
nurse at that station and is there is
there an assumption that she would
provide medical aid so if somebody does
OD how liable would the city be - you
know well I mean how open would they be
to you know some type of litigation if
somebody od'd on a site that you guys
approve that's a great question that I
don't know the answer to but I know
that's why then one of the reasons the
nurse is there yeah well actually having
the nurse there it seems like a
liability to me because then you're
implying that medical aid is available
if something should happen it might only
be better if she wasn't there at all
saying you're you're on your own like
you know we're not responsible for
anything that happens here that's just
my thought right yeah that's a great
that's a very comment there anybody else
that would like to make a comment is
there anybody else that would like to
make a comment okay with that I will
close the public hearing
at 9:45 6:45 9:45 I'm used to lying I
know okay so so I have a couple thoughts
I guess first I didn't I'm glad to put a
list of the other communities up there I
was one question I had was what other
what are our neighbors doing and it's I
guess from my view a little shocking and
sad that everyone's just sort of carte
blanche saying no we're never going to
do this not in our backyard and I
actually sort of interpreted a letter
from the Human Services Commission a
little differently I mean they I thought
they went the way I read what they wrote
was that they I appreciated the fact
that they had somebody come and speak
and they got a little more educated on
it and and it seemed to me that they
were saying we would we wish we had more
time to learn more and maybe didn't want
to close the door completely on it but
understood the position of counsel with
all the stuff happening like you
mentioned so my my only thought is that
I I guess I find it a little
short-sighted I understand that we want
to do what our neighbors are doing and I
understand the risks and and and the
issue but I find it a little
short-sighted everybody talks about
wanting to solve the opioid crisis but I
mean then everybody takes a step back
and wants to know who's gonna do it you
know so from my perspective I mean I'm
gonna I'm planning on voting no tonight
not because I don't think there are
risks that the city would be taking on
and I think it's I'm not I'm a little I
was in my research a little underwhelmed
by the success you know that in terms of
people getting into treatment and things
like that I know that's not the point of
these places but but I think that just
closing the door right off the bat and
not at least saying hey we would love to
think creatively about this and I think
that that that would be good for is what
to do to sort of lead in that in that
capacity and the other thing I would say
and then I'll stop talking about
is that the by not including a
prohibition in the code that's not
necessarily saying yes we want to be the
pilot program correct it may seem like
that becomes the default because
everybody else is saying we're not going
to be the pilot program but I would
assume that we would still and maybe
this is a question but we would still
reserve some ability to I mean it would
go through a normal review process I
would think of some level so we still
have the ability to modify that proposal
or say no to that proposal if it came
into town if it wasn't exactly what we
wanted it to be so anyway that's all I
would say I frankly don't understand the
argument it's something that's illegal
shouldn't be permitted anywhere that's
my feeling it doesn't mean it doesn't
happen pardon me it doesn't mean it
doesn't happen because it happens
doesn't mean you make it legal and
permitted enough it and the argument
that we put it in or not put it in and
then later on we could address it again
you're just kicking the can down the
road we just tell people it's not
permitted in a so well done deal
well I also read the letter from the
Human Services Commission a little bit
differently than I thought was
characterized I think it does say in the
middle of the letter
it's akua's likely not an appropriate
location for safe injection site but it
also has a lot of other important points
it's it talks about the opioid crisis
and that we could have more space for
education around this issue I think that
the Human Services Commission by having
an expert come and speak to them I think
I thought is a very valuable thing to do
and I think it's good that we have the
opportunity to also speak with the
public about it
but I would have liked I think more
information I understand the argument
that it is illegal but I also understand
that a lot of people overdose and this
does seem under certain situations to
save lives or to prevent overdoses so I
think that there could be more room for
education about it and that was actually
what I took from the Human Services
letter although I also respects their
their finding that they do not think it
is appropriate I think that their main
message was that there is I need for
more education around the issue so
looking back at the ordinance it very
specifically says at the beginning of
the second page whereas King County
Council voted to limit establishment to
shells the safe injection sites only to
those cities which choose to establish
such a location by a vote of its elected
governing body that suggests that if we
take no action it still isn't saying
okay your rubber stamping it can come
here so I would in response to what the
health health and Services Committee
said I'd be open to having other
discussions about that actually getting
the information on the number or
estimated opioid users in Issaquah
versus other surrounding areas and get a
sense of is this the appropriate place I
don't think it is but I don't think we
necessarily have to say no to this in
order to eliminate it as a possibility
if we approve it then we are going to
open our doors to a lot of activity I
believe because now people are gonna
feel safe I mean to Issaquah you take
care of their heroin they're up there
opioid addiction you look at Everett and
Kitsap County they're in crisis they're
actually getting emergency funds to be
able to take care of the opiate crisis
if we open our doors they will come we
do not have the capacity to be able to
handle it it would take the city down a
very dark and dangerous road though no
absolutely no way could this happen we
don't have the infrastructure to support
it it would be it would create lots of
problems theft and on that I don't think
I'm arguing that it's and I'm responding
because you're looking at me but
necessarily because I'm trying to look
to everybody fine you can stay right I
don't think I'm arguing that safe
injection sites are a good option for
Issaquah just what the ordinance says
and what we are being asked to do to say
no prohibited I don't think it's
necessary and I think it does send a
signal that not in my backyard that list
is gonna go up on all of the other
cities that are looking at this I just
don't think it's necessary
actually very necessary I also I'm also
very empathetic to people who are
addicted to opiate I have a very close
family member who is addicted to opioid
she was a very outstanding person very
smart master's degree she had a back
injury
she was subscribed an opiate based drug
the doctors pulled it away from her she
cannot get off it so she's actually now
shooting up heroin I she has a safe
place it's her home she has the
resources to be able to take care of
that
but what we're talking about is a lot
opening the doors to people who don't
have those resources you're bringing
them into our city with a big welcome
sign not good I agree with part of your
argument which is and which is based on
the Human Services findings which is
that we do not have I think I agree with
part of your argument which is that we
do not have the other resources and that
potentially other cities would better
have the resources and the network of
Public Health and also I think a mental
health components for actually being a
successful network around the site
because in my reading about the
components that are important for safe
injection sites is very important that
there is our that there are other
facilities available to people when they
go to these sites that it's not just a
nurse and a place where you walk in but
you also have other services for helping
people stop using and so I agree with
that part of the argument I found in my
reading that there is not a lot of
evidence that it does but it can under
certain circumstances pull people in but
it does not I have a quote from a study
about a lot of European cities that have
safe injection sites and they said
there's no evidence that consumption
rooms encouraged increased drug use or
initiate new users so it may not it may
be that it's inappropriate for our city
but I think that there's a lot of a lot
of Education that could be around the
potential for what it could do under the
right circumstances now I look at
Seattle and I see all the homeless tents
and I see all of the garbage that
surrounds them
and the inability of the city to take
care of that now I look at this as
something that would be similar that
people would not be not only would the
people not really be taken care of but
the city wouldn't be taken care of and
we don't have the resources to provide
help and we don't have a place that's
big enough away from enough places in
order to support anything that would be
not in the middle of the city and and I
don't see that at this time we can
proceed with this and to you answer your
question I I think that we've done
enough add enough history had enough
discussion that we know that we don't
want this in the city I would suggest
that maybe we go the other way and
provide help to and be that maybe the
first one ones of the city to provide
that kind of help for people who need it
but not as a safe injection site no I
I'm perfectly content to vote no that I
now and in the future I don't want to
see a fight here in the city I just
don't think it's appropriate place for
it
Seattle is is way above our liberal way
of thinking and I don't think it's right
for our community so I I think that
maybe we can you know if you don't if
you want to do something you do
something to not just educate but to
help people in the situation and a lot
of them are stuck there like bronze
relic
yeah that it would be you know something
the city could do so I am going to vote
no on this because the public feedback
has been so strongly in that direction I
just kind of wanted to bring up the idea
that the ordinance doesn't necessarily
say that we need to negate it and that I
do think we should have further
conversation and maybe the reason this
is not the end of it I think that if it
if there is some site somewhere that
actually works and does a good job and
everything is neat and clean around it
you know in the future if that can
happen maybe maybe you know you can
always change your mind you can always
change the code but for right now I
think we're all in agreement that this
is the best thing for our city right now
the reason I invited Human Services to
come tonight to let him know that we
were talking about it is so that you'd
be able to ask some questions about
their experiences and the research they
did in the presentation that they had
but none of them chose to come which you
know I understand that too but so I
apologize that we weren't able to get
anyone that really knew what was going
on with with the whole picture of it all
I just had one that I'd like to you said
Joan I'm sorry about the you know in
maybe some some point in the future if
it could look and feel and be a certain
way I think that that would be good I
think by prohibiting it though we lose
the ability to ever have that
conversation we won't ever be able to
influence that at all we won't have the
opportunity to set metrics around what
that might look like and frankly I don't
think it'll ever happen like I don't
think I don't think it's equality is the
right place I don't think it's centrally
located I don't think it has the
population or the services and I think
before you know whoever were to open up
one of those sites before they did that
they would want to have they would want
to be able to check all those boxes for
sure so frankly I don't think that
there's a big risk that it would even
happen but if we just say no we don't
get to participate in that conversation
so that's just it's still my opinion on
that this topic scares the bejeebies out
of me
this really does because I see what
happens to my my family member
incapacitated 99% of time I mean you get
a conversation for five minutes in the
rest of day and then there's scope creep
we say yes supposedly that we become a
pilot let's just say you go yes it's
actually not what we're voting on we're
voting on prohibition right but it
become it will grow into something else
it's heroin today it'll be some other
drug tomorrow and then we'll be in a
position where we will be required to
really accept it so I say no and I ready
to say that I don't ever want this in
our community I need to protect our
community I feel like that's part of my
obligation to our city of Ezek well I
need to protect it so we could have a
discussion in a different way for a
different facility for a different way
to handle this and so we would be
included in the discussion at that point
in time
now if the city has a prohibition nobody
will be coming to the city to put that
in front of Council or or us so that's
what I mean by I do think that we would
retain the ability to talk about
treatment you know and other ways to
contribute you're right about that and I
think we should and I think we will but
that's all I'm saying what I say we lose
the ability to participate in that
conversation I mean to shape what that
facility like that might look like
that's all so I'm not something in the
future could be different is anybody
else any other comments um so I was a
little bit I was concerned about
basically the arguments that I was
getting from some of this discussion and
also from the letter that since we don't
have a network in place basically since
we aren't are since we don't have
anything then we shouldn't have safe
injection sites I do understand but I
would like to see some sort
as I think John was saying some sort of
other services available in the
community because it is a problem and we
this may not be the solution but I think
that we should do something would it
help if I had someone from Human
Services or even from the department
that's their chair that you know is
their staff to talk to you all about
because I know they've been working on
things in their arena but it would it
interest you all to find out what the
city is trying to do locally for opioid
and substance abuse and ecto is the city
actually doing something or they just
talking and listening to people coming
in I I would have to verify because
since it's not in my wheelhouse but I
know that was a council goal a while ago
something that's actually out of the
discussion tonight right but you're
asking it sounds like you're asking are
there other things that the city should
be doing for locally to help locally the
opioid crisis locally if it's not a big
safe injection site are there other
things to do and I could get you if you
want it I could try to get you more
information on what we're doing at some
point time that would be nice just but
that's it's not necessarily what we're
doing but what we can do in the future
right you know I think maybe at some
point in time we can have a discussion
or this council could have our human
services or whatever could have a
discussion of maybe something we can do
a pilot project that way of you know not
in sight but doing something that would
help the people and besides education I
don't I don't know what it would be yeah
but maybe we could do something like I
would just say I don't think we need to
maybe I don't like we need to have it on
an agenda for our meeting but if you
could just let it maybe if if they're
they're gonna have something and he
could attend or and that would be just
keep us in a loop that would be good
right okay anything else are you ready
to vote what one point of clarification
the way we've been talking about it so a
vote YES is against it no it's is not
half thing I'm gonna say no but that
would be
the wrong clintus about four and again
but it's for for prohibiting them yes so
it is still right course to be fair vote
YES for the amendments it would prohibit
them assets grow fast and and you know
the council brought it back to us and
normally we can discuss it and we can if
we were so against what they decided we
could make a recommendation but that's
not I need a motion
I'm somebody I'd like to make a motion
to approve the what's the word I'm
looking forward code amendment the code
amendments concerning safe injection
sites second any further discussion all
those in favor say yes I pose no no Rita
to wasn't carrying first yeah we're good
to know I did it was forwarded to it can
you see order to so I said I thought you
okay so it's actually for it so it's
four to one
no well technically one if you're so
they can you raise hands instead of eyes
what okay there was a confusion for me
for somebody said no and someone said I
and said I wasn't sure exactly which one
of you said which voted no yeah so you
said no but I wasn't sure if it was no
against it no against the emotion so
though we are right now we are five for
no or against the most support for the
motion or two to or did we are
affordable emotion wait for the motion
against them all yeah we got it it's
still past this afford it - yeah cuz you
voted or for it okay I thought it was
then when we went back I wasn't sure if
it was good anyway okay so next on the
agenda is the yes no it's four to one
because you're an alternative no no but
we had this discussion and I get two
votes now yes it's docket you read what
is Wow let's let's have Trish what point
of clarification what we talked about I
guess wasn't completely the complete
story is we have to say in the record
that it was four to one of regular
members and because we don't need
alternates because we still have a
quorum of regular members but that the
alternate that attended voted against
the measure so that can still be in the
minute okay
thank you are you ready for the next one
yes it's been quite a week the comp plan
this is exciting this is our January
every year we do this in January where
we open up the comprehensive plan and we
put in any amendments that we've been
just hoping we can get to this year we
look at the list you all look in the
list in January we send it to Council
they review it they may add some things
they typically do they approve the list
and then we get at it and we start doing
all the pieces on the list that we can
possibly do in a year the red parts of
this slide show that even once I sent
you the docket last week the excitement
was building people started sending us
things they wanted us to also do on the
docket and this was just internally so I
can imagine the ones that you're going
to want to add so the first one the
transportation improvement program that
we do every year that's the six year
capital plan we also need to be sure
that the transportation element is
updated with the concurrency update that
should be done this year knock on wood
and also the commute trip reduction Act
some of the details in that it's a state
program some of that's been changed so
we want to make sure the numbers are
accurate in the comp plan so that's all
under 1 which is sort of the
transportation element the population
ones we do that every year that's pretty
exciting except we're adding a number to
track jobs because jobs got pretty
exciting this year when we talked about
vision that we should start tracking
jobs so we're gonna put some numbers in
the in the comp plan so that we can
officially start tracking jobs they're a
little trickier to track them population
but we're gonna do it the rezone so far
so far I love my job so far we've only
had one parcel that we know of that the
city has purchased there's been donated
or what-have-you
there may be more by the end but this is
that placeholder that any
the city's received for public purposes
we do a community facilities rezone also
if there's any changes and I think there
are from the end of the development
agreements there's some zoning tweaks
that they're doing that would come
through our process as well to make sure
that they fit into the comp plan land
use designations also transfer of
development rights was an exciting topic
when the council was going through the
end of development agreements and so the
council is asked if we take a look at
the transfer of development rights and
figure that out in the comp plan sort of
the policy and where that where the
receiving sites can be now that the
development now that the urban village
is the two of them that are that
Hyland's used to receive them how do we
do that now that they're not the
Hyland's development agreements so
that'll be a really fun discussion can i
clarify it says thing sites there for
TDRs not receiving sites right well it
would be both where they've been where
the work and where the units can come
from and where they can go okay just
wanted to clarify anything else on one
through four even with the red ones even
more on this page as you remember the
architectural design manual that you
looked at a few months ago and our
exciting 2017 there was some discussion
about hillsides building on slopes that
we need to take another swing at to
further clarify the policy on that the
policy on compact schools you remember
this one
yes you do we get to tackle this one
this year and I am looking forward to
that King County PAA we had so much fun
annexing that that we missed some of the
language in the policy talking about pas
so we have to that's just a little bit
of tweaking and the sub area map which
of that'll be that'll be a good one the
central Issaquah plan when we finish the
visions which we will do very shortly if
perhaps some of the areas are out of the
central plan we'd have to shift the sub
area boundaries and do some shifting
with that
if there's any other bits and pieces
that we'd have to do this is sort of a
placeholder to catch everything that we
might change in the like if we change
the vision the not just the district
visions but the one-liners all those
pieces would be under this item okay
it's sort of a catch-all Old Town we're
not quite done with the Old Town yet so
it made it on the list again we have
high hopes for Old Town the community
sustainability indicators which is
Appendix A in the comp plan which I know
you already know that we didn't get
around to finally making it through
those last year because the moratorium
hit us so those are on schedule to come
back to you this year and they're
they've already been finished they just
didn't make it through the public
hearing so that should be hopefully not
a not a big deal the capital facilities
element may need some updating only
because the water system plan is coming
from Public Works and when they're done
with all their policy decisions and
issues and updates and numbers then it
will come to us to incorporate it into
the utilities element in capital
facilities element does that include
fluoridating the water and the mixing of
the water because great question we
would imagine that those policy issues
would be handled at the level of the
water system plan because if you were to
ask me why we would do that and what is
involved I would not be able to answer
that question to help you with the
policy discussion it would I would think
that would have to be done by the
experts in Public Works I have a
question on an earlier one yeah that
when you have the policy on compact
schools is that as we've been referring
to urban schools is that the same yes
you're being flashed it's that it's the
same discussion that we talked about in
July and so we're still using the word
urban schools were not using really the
word well the code says compact but the
policy I guess we're sticking with the
policy that was originally urban before
the name got changed so the difference
between compact yes there is so you know
so we started talking about urban
schools and that opened a whole range of
conversations that we really didn't
intend to tackle with what we were
really trying to do with the compact
school code so we changed we rebranded
we called it compact schools not urban
schools and what you guys said was urban
schools and schools in central Issaquah
need to be more urban in nature that may
be very different than what we did for
the compact school code amendments and
so what you guys asked for us to do is
to bring back a policy conversation
about what is an urban school what's it
look like and how does it different than
just a normal school and so that's what
we're doing that's what this is it's
really to have that conversation you
guys said we need to have a policy
conversation before we can really talk
about urban schools but that's you know
and that's really kind of what I would
consider the next generation of schools
past the ones that are in the current
kind of pipe right now the next Bond
when they're actually looking for school
sites within Central Issaquah because
that's where we're putting all our
housing so it's it's I think it's it
could land that it's the very same thing
as the compact schools I think it's
gonna have some different kind of
characteristics than what we talked
about with compact schools so Keith
you're saying compact schools and urban
schools are different but the only thing
on there is compact schools
I misrepresented it when I wrote it
there we'll fix that okay there we go
I thought we weren't allowed to use the
word anymore so I stand corrected
can we go to 12 well the new 12 I'm just
trying to be accommodating the new 12 is
I'm a just mind but might be biased but
the Appendix B which I know you know
what that is is a fabulous list of
implementation strategies for the whole
comp plan most all the elements have a
list of implementation strategies if you
haven't looked at it lately it is a
fabulous list some of them are a little
outdated though and it might be a good
time might not be might be a good time
to take a look at the list and see if
there are any things that are so
outdated that we would never ever want
to do them or if there might be some
things that now that you read the old
list you might have some new ideas that
you would like to put on the list and so
we threw that on there just because we
think it's such a fabulous list the list
in fact came two years ago there was a
lot of implementation tucked in the
policies that we would be going on with
the policy and then there'd be an
implementation tucked right in there and
it was very confusing because the comp
plan is not an implementation it's a
policy document but we didn't want to
lose the implementation pieces so we put
them in appendix B so we put that on
there as a reminder on how fabulous the
idea is to have your implementation so
close to your comp plan it's actually in
the appendix so we'd like to kind of
maybe think about if we'd like to look
through the list this year we wouldn't
have to change it perhaps or we might
want to change it a lot if we have the
time questions on that one okay and the
next slide the first so someone's going
to say you have to renumber the list now
yes we do because now here's another
number 11 these start the ones that we
don't think we have time to do this year
these are being recommended at least at
this point in the process that we
wouldn't have time to do this year
and most of them have been on here for a
little bit just because since we did the
update in 2015 there's been a lot going
on so we haven't been able to have a lot
of the policy question discussions that
we would like to have look Trish yes
number 11 would that include yes 11
point 2 11 number 2 win that also
include level service for public safety
reason why I'm bringing that up because
it has police fire all of those right
isn't there conversation at City Council
level of wanting to add possibly law
enforcement and if so wouldn't that
necessarily add them how add new
officers right well we mentioned you
might remember the two years ago and the
last time we did this we had very old
level of service data and it bothered
you all because you felt like you were
making a decision on level of service
with old data and so we put a hold on
this that until we can get new data it
seemed odd to go through the motions
with new numbers when we really don't
have new numbers they can still get new
officers because it did show that we
were getting close to needing new
officers but we didn't feel it was a
good use of time and resources to update
this without any new information we'd
still be using the old budget and the
old police statistics we'd have to do a
new rate study that updates you know how
many calls for service are they doing
how many officers do we have now how
many cars and motorcycles do we have now
how much room do they have to even do
their job and then you move it into all
the statistics on how often do they go
out and you know the detectives are
different than the officers are
different than the motorcycle folks and
so it's all updated we update and we're
supposed to update them like every three
or four years but it's a little
expensive but it's a good investment
because then usually your fees your
impact fees and mitigation fees can also
go up to help pay for that extra service
that you're providing
did the council fund that in the inky
budget I haven't seen the most recent
version we can follow up on that yeah I
reason why I bring up is because I
watched the last City Council and I
thought they had requested that or made
a mention about law enforcement and
wanting to add officers possibly so
right they can still do that okay in
fact that's used that's why we started
doing this was it gives them a five or
six year out what is it you look forward
to tell them that in two years you're
going to need more officers or in three
years you're going to need more parkland
so that they can start thinking about
budgeting for that ahead of time rather
than oh this year you need four officers
and so it's sort of that rolling budget
plus service list right now if they
wanted add officers would be at the
totally do that because the I'm sure the
police chief has given them a lot of
data it wouldn't be a total rate study
data but he's probably got all the data
on how his officers are out in the field
how often his detectives are out so
often there call this does this much and
their officers can only take this much
daily and so they need more I'm sure
they have a lot of statistics it's just
not the same thing as what we need to up
the impact fee and mitigation fee rates
that then changes the level of service
so I along that idea with what council
has done related to the police officers
and those three that didn't get approved
for this year we've also discussed
school impact and mitigation fees this
year and that was certainly a
controversy so I would say if there's
any way that we could get that included
I think that addresses two of the issues
that has come up this year right and
good point on school impact fees this
chapter talks about school impact fees
as a pass-through but there's going to
be a code amendment coming soon
not in the first quarter but coming soon
to clarify the process that the school
goes through to do their capital
facilities plan and then it comes to us
and we have our population increases and
to how we can work better together to
understand each other's data how we
translate each other's data and how to
come up with a better process and a
happier ending than we did this past
year but that's in the works to do an
actual process amendment or process
tweak to help us with that oh all right
looking at the I assume the 1 through 12
of the first site is what you're
recommending to put forward what was
this number 11 version competing with
why did it get on this list as opposed
to maybe something else on the other
list because the funding for the rate
study when I when I drafted this I had
not liked yet looked in if December 18th
or whenever they adopted the budget if
they had put money and for updating the
rate studies for police and fire right
now we're doing transportation and parks
and the remaining two that we rolled our
general government police and fire and
so we didn't want to update this with as
I said with old information so we were
waiting for the rate studies to be able
to put the new information in to the
level of service but they needed to add
that to the FY 18 budget well we asked
for it I'm not sure if it I didn't check
to see if it came if we actually got
funded even if it did it would happen
this year and the data would probably be
available at the end of the year at the
earliest or something right right right
they usually take a while to gather all
the information to update it okay it
couldn't happen anyways we could start
it this year if we did get the funding
but then actually the numbers would be
available like you said because it takes
a while to do all the data crunching for
next year okay any questions about this
page this is not as exciting of a page
sadly and then the very very last page
these are also ones to work on hopefully
someday soon but maybe not this year
now I've got I got three questions so I
came up with okay based on conversations
that have happened at City Council level
and NCPC microcell sites
Lake Sammamish did all my plan and Parks
plan okay when you say micro sites you
mean small cell wireless you have a
public hearing on that 24th of February
of January right next two weeks two
weeks you have a public hearing on that
there we're drafting code as we speak to
regulate that the new industry all right
and then what about the Lake Sammamish
development plan in the park span I know
because I've heard those names beat them
around I don't know that much about
you're asking fabulous questions the
parks plan we met with them today
the parks director and and Jen and
they're gonna bring you the new
strategic parks plan it's going through
the park board right now and it will be
coming to you later on this year and so
you'll be part of that and be holding
meetings and discussing and having all
sorts of good input it's been a really
cool process so far okay I like pardon
shouldn't we add it on here the parks
well when the parks since the parks
element is typically part of the it
shoots right in but we could add it to
one of them that probably was on last
year cuz we thought we were gonna be
done last year but we can add it if it
didn't make it on there so and with the
parks plan kind of a land acquisition
strategy and stuff to complete the green
necklace I'm not sure if that needs to
be on here or if it would just update
the comp plan once we've made decisions
that might be part of the parks plan I'm
not sure that but that's certainly a
good thing to get in writing somewhere
strategy Thor drain put in Lantern
Network okay and Ryan you still had a
question about Lake Sammamish yeah I
heard discussion it was a Lake Sammamish
development plan development agreement
development agreement would that be
appropriate for this list or that's so
that's still aspirational right is that
something that would be a policy no no
it's not policy it's actually it's
actually the opposite of policy so it
would be similar to like the Costco
development agreement it's what can you
do in the park it's doing an EIS that
would oh maybe
create a an envelope of development and
activity that could go in there without
additional environmental review and so
that is it's very much project oriented
less policy oriented okay that's my
that's my expectation right now we're
gonna have some public meetings probably
over the next couple months and talk
about scoping the EIS and that may
change but I'm thinking it's much more
programmatic like turning the existing
grass soccer fields into maybe
all-weather fields to increase their
activity and potentially create maybe a
destination for like regional soccer
tournaments so if it's not on this list
and it we get to the point where it may
need to be on the list
do we just add it at that time or is
this is the docket for 2018 for planning
so the docket of amendments to the
comprehensive plan so it's not
necessarily all of the things that we
address in planning but rather what
would go into our comprehensive plan for
the city right so first let's take small
cell that might be an easier
conversation to have because I know what
that looks like
and I'm not writing it right now I might
be writing it later so that's a that'll
be a code amendment so we have a section
in the IMC chapter 18 right now 1807 505
which is wireless communication
facilities small cell and the amount of
equipment that is probably coming our
way is going is is causing the need to
relook at our potential designing
guidelines for putting those in and so
that will be a code amendment that will
come to you guys because it is a code
amendment to chapter 18 but that's not
policy it's not part of the comp plan
it's more actual like nuts and nuts and
bolts he's going back to cement the
development for like Sammamish yeah what
happened to the plan that was developed
several years ago so the master plan
from 2007 still exists this is this is
not intended to replace that I'm talking
for state parks right now
this is intended kind of as as an
evolution maybe you know so there's you
know the park is clearly a significant
amount of the park is natural open space
focused around Issaquah Creek Herron
rookeries you know fishing is a huge
thing so all of that is is still
important this is kind of moving along
the lines of the city and state parks
talking about how do we increase the
amount of activity that also happens in
the state park that's not kind of nature
oriented so so the AVP volleyball
tournament started showing up I think
we're in year four now you know there's
been the state parks also executed a
partnering agreement with REI and there
was talk about potentially doing like an
educational center so this is
this is not in lieu of what they did in
2007 this is and what else can they do
from what's going on right now so so
they've done a bunch of investments you
know they built a new bath house they
were they did a complete restoration of
Sunset Beach
there's a new huge tot lot thing there
they've got they've got permits to build
a dock and then you know they're talking
about lifeguarding and there's so it's
it's and what else can we do and one of
the biggest things that they would like
to do is to move the entrance to the
State Park so right now for all of us we
know where the entrance of the State
Park is but it's a candidly in a weird
space it's kind of like this weird weird
mid-block entrance and you know if you
were coming from Spokane or somewhere
else in the state to visit it they would
like it closer to the intersection kind
of where the Arco and I hop and Tully's
and all that is and so part of the EIS
and the development agreement might be
looking at can you move it without
messing up traffic so there's a big
traffic piece associated with this so so
that's what we're gonna do
it's probably gonna take a year it's
going to start with some conversations
with the community that's going to be
jointly done with city staff and State
Park staff so and that'll be in the next
few months
I don't know exact details because my
partner's are been on vacation this has
come a long way from the threat of
building office buildings on it we're
not nobody's talking to my knowledge
nobody's talking office buildings
no but I'm whenever two thousand four
five whatever they did the state was
thinking about getting revenue by
building office buildings on
like a - like part any other questions I
have a few other suggestions options
there so I looked through other comp
plan dockets for nearby cities I notice
that Bellevue is adopting vision zero
for zero traffic deaths I'm not sure if
that's something that we would want to
include Redmond has a regulation of
multifamily housing zoning like rezoning
in their current business park in
commercial areas so saying we don't want
to lose commercial parks and the jobs
that they provide and I know that's
something that's come up for us so I
don't know if that would get into any of
the other areas but the idea that we
wouldn't want such as sort of the no net
loss that if housing comes in there's no
net loss of jobs well that's more like
don't take a current Business Park and
put in housing there instead because you
have to somehow keep the jobs or keep
the yes okay yeah and then the last one
the st3 station is there something that
we should be doing there at this point
or is that kicked down I'm looking at
our transportation
I see Kristen just pop that one right
over to you so yeah so that's super
super interesting question I don't know
there's a clear answer so I'll kind of
answer it the best I can so we're doing
we're gonna have some conversations we
already have had some conversations as
part of CIP district visions and
especially as it relates to well Central
Valley or Issaquah Valley or whatever
that ends up being called at the end of
the day and you know I think I think the
next place it's going to show up but
it's too early to tell is so the council
is going to work on a strategic plan
this year and what I think what would be
possibly a very interesting topic for
them to include in the strategic plan is
putting some kind of putting some edges
to that st3 station like where is it how
are we going to treat it you know for
those of us that were at the Chamber
lunch today where the mayor spoke there
was a question about you know I just
kind of want to see what this looks like
and Joan said I told you so and so so
that piece of this there's a there's a
huge desire I think for that jewel to
land and so that we can start planning
around it and so it will be interesting
for me to see and because they haven't
started having those conversations about
what the strategic plan is going to
include I don't know it could include
that it seems like that's a giant piece
for us to start a community conversation
about and how what a better way to do it
then put on a strategic plan we say okay
in the next two years we're gonna
unravel this thing and see what it
really looks like so so I think for me
that's a better spot than here because
here I'm not sure where that goes but
there I would know where it would go
by following along my little agenda
there's a public hearing on approval of
the docket and so I'm going to open up
the public hearing at 7:20 7:40 and ask
if anybody wants to talk about the
docket do we have a member of the
community that would be interested in
providing us information I'm going to
start with with how we get to the docket
and I would actually like to be able to
understand a little better
Bonnie can you tell us who you are
Connie mark are you doing that at this
meeting I get confused
Connie Marsh I live on squawk how how
the information gets into the docket now
in the past there has been a way to
propose your ideas to get on the docket
and that's a public interface where if
anybody wants to have a policy then you
would shove your idea in and then it
would go through some administrative
review and potentially be able to get up
on the docket and we used to actually do
that with the land use code too and that
has sort of disappeared in the
intervening years and so now when I look
at the docket I have a hard time
understanding exactly how everything has
gotten fed into the docket and so I go
to all the meetings and I hear all the
things that are happening and I sort of
go well are these really all the policy
decisions that are happening so we can
understand what we're going to be doing
this year and so I thought we were doing
the shoreline master plan this year and
I may be well and the shoreline master
plan is actually in your
back chapter 11 is one of those things
for update sure line master plan
policies could be make changes in this
and then Keith over here started talking
about the council doing a strategic plan
well if the council is doing a strategic
plan that it seems likely that the
council is going to start looking at
policy changes in their strategic plan
because I've never seen the council just
not go up into policy when they're
trying to create something and I didn't
I didn't even think to weave it in the
maintenance facilities for sp3 got put
in to the comprehensive plan whenever it
got put in and I know council has been
chafing that somehow we have indicated
that we're going to house the
maintenance facilities for for st 3 on
the valley floor and so speaking here I
then don't understand if I feel like
something is supposed to be on the
docket does that just now because
somebody came up with an idea we say who
look here's another idea let's put it on
the docket so if you approve the docket
after I have spoken I guess you all
would have to say yes this needs to be
on the docket and then Trish were to add
it to the docket so it seems awkward
that's sort of that's the the process
seems awkward to me to get it to get it
done thoroughly the treasurer's we've
been wanting to redo the treasurer's for
many years because our town is way
bigger and we only have treasures from
our valley floor and we have via
Highlands we have Tallis now we have
Lake Sammamish State Park and so it
seems time is we're going to be
developing shortly to start creating
some protections of the things that we
refuse to loose and these are sacred
thing
in our town that shall not be harmed and
I would like to see that put on the
docket for this year too
as a public conversation and one last
one the community engagement program we
have no real policies for what we want
to see so it's hard to create a package
for community engagement if we have no
sort of overarching guidance and goals
and policies for what we see for
community engagement so I would also
like to see that be done this year and
and so we'll see what happens next and
just a clarification if the PPC doesn't
recommend the items that you listed and
not that they wouldn't they may you can
also go to Landon Shore and because
there's still opportunities this is just
sort of that in January is the first
time that it comes to the public for
their ideas so it's not the last time
that you could share it honey before you
go of all the ideas that you just went
through which one would you say is the
most important it should be on this I
say the treasurer's because if we don't
address them they could disappear
thank you anybody else would like to
talk about the festive seeing no other
anybody else I will close the public
hearing at 7:45 and open it up to
discussion would you I actually agree
with what Connie Marsh had mentioned
about technically all three if we don't
talk about community engagement this
year we're not gonna lose it
st3 maintenance yard we're gonna address
it at some point so that's kind of an
asterisk the treasurer's I think it
might be a good time to talk about
something like that aspirational put it
on the list and see what plaintiff Shore
and City Council think he of the three
things that how the three things that
that were brought up are they things
that you feel should be on here are they
part of something else are they being
taken care of some other way there
another process than been being on this
dock and and so for those of us who were
talking in the back of the class those
three things were treasurer's program
meaning engagement program shoreline
master program so surely master III
maintenance so okay so there's four so
shoreline master plan let's start with
that so we are updating our shoreline
master plan there is grants available
from Department of Ecology I think we've
applied for a grant Doug your m'q is the
planner that's going to be in charge of
that work I don't know that that will be
done in time for any kind of policy
outcomes to be included in the docket
for this year so it may actually be so
the work that
being done to update the shoreline
master plan in 2018 would then be
reflected on a 2019 dock that's true but
you have things on there that are right
2008 2019 I know nothing about that I
can put those on okay okay so it's it's
just basically a placeholder to make
sure that that somebody's looking at
them and okay okay so second item let's
go to the rail yard maintenance facility
you know that's it's a significant
facility but it is it is a it's a it's a
nuance to something else that we need to
talk about first right I mean once you
know where the station is then the
conversation about where the maintenance
facility goes goes hand-in-hand but you
can can't start talking about the
maintenance facility I mean for example
if the station stays within the i-90
right away it could be that the
maintenance facilities in the right away
as well and if that's the case I'm not
sure any of us super care maybe we do
maybe we don't but that's a conversation
that I don't think we are to yet and so
I think the first piece goes back to
what I said earlier let's see where
where the community wants to engage on
the st3 station and I have not heard
from my new mayor and where she might
want to start talking about that but
like I said the strategic planning
process will start unfolding
I think this spring and and then we'll
start to get a sense for what kind of
topics are going to be included that
conversation and whether the station
would be or not but the maintenance
facility is is proximate to the station
so those are those are I think going to
need to be talked about as kind of a
dumbell connected the treasures
I was talking treasures before Connie
was talking treasures as as
as being on that list now what I would
say though is I totally agree the
treasures need to be updated there needs
to be there needs to be a newer
conversation about the treasures than
the one that was done 93 in 93 so now
what I would tell you guys is to add
something of that caliber to the docket
for this year given the fact that we're
knee-deep in visions I don't I'm looking
at the staff that would have to lead
that exercise and I can tell you we
don't have bandwidth so my suggestion is
to not lose that and put that up there
for 19 and we can always slide it down
if 19 looks scarier than 18 but I can
tell you right now I can based on State
Park and visions and finishing up
moratorium things and the housing
strategies that we're kind of unpacking
this year and small-cell I mean I've got
a list that's this long of non permanent
related projects that Development
Services is doing adding a meaty item
like updating the treasures I get it
breaks my brain I don't know how we
would do that this year
I don't think that I don't even think
Connie thinks that it should be done
this year it's just too fast in it it
would be on the docket and it would have
a placeholder and you can as you've done
in many years before you've had it
scheduled and then you gather that for
the following year so it's it's an
interesting concept I'm just looking at
the visions and where we're putting
things and how we're developing stuff
and it would be nice to have something
that says these are the treasures that
we don't want to lose you know kind of
thing and so it kind of goes together so
I would like to see that up there as a
placeholder I don't I can't imagine
you're going to do it this year you
probably might not even do it next year
about Italy
it's on the docket and once it's on
there it's going to be done at some
point in time okay and question yeah he
explained the treasurer's can I explain
the treasurer's no because in 93 I was
still in Phoenix College
Trish explain the dressers when GMA came
out of the state in 1990 the first thing
that it's a quote one of the first
things this COIs wanted to do is figure
out what we wanted to keep so that in 20
in our 20 year growth management plan
with everybody coming to live here and
work here what did we want to keep
forever that would keep our town just
the way we wanted it so we had a big
outreach it was a great process where we
created a list of treasures that are in
the Comprehensive Plan and the list is
much longer than what's in the
comprehensive plan
but the council only adopted the first
35 I think because 37 was Harvey Manning
and they didn't quite know how to
preserve Harvey Manning even though he
is a city treasurer they just felt a
little odd having a person listed so
they cut it the their list off at 35 but
it's a great list some of the things
we've lost already because they were in
there they weren't in the city of
Issaquah they were in the county but we
counted them as our city treasures but
I'd invite you to look at the list it's
a great list of things and it would be
really fun to update them because
there's less county so there's a lot of
things we have now that that we didn't
have back in 93 that we would like to
keep updating and there's mist the mist
and the mines that are our ancestors I
mean it's a great list so I guess the
question goes is there are their urgent
treasures that we need to identify
quickly as we before we start moving
forward with the moratorium or release
into the moratorium so that those are
protected well I'm not it's a resolution
recognizing the treasures that's not
actually code language that says that
you can't cut the big tree or that the
mist in the mountains
it's protected in anyway it's just a an
awareness that these are the things that
are important to us but like Gillman
village is a treasure right village and
so we've talked about that as a trick
even as part of the visions
you know the edible landscape on Gillman
isn't it you're looking at me like well
I don't know so so so there so this is
this is a bigger conversation trying to
say let's tackle a piece of it now again
you have no bandwidths there's no way to
add anything else to my plate you can
make a recommendation you guys have the
ability to make that recommendation I'm
gonna be trying to lobby against it
because I just don't think we can do a
good job with it this year because we
have so much else on our plate but I
have no problem putting it up here for a
19 or a 20 work item my well my real
question comes down to I guess the
objective is do we have any high risks
sure Gilman it could be demolished
tomorrow but this treasurer's plan
doesn't do anything to protect them they
just acknowledges that these are
treasures yeah it's just a resolution
identifies there's certain things in our
community that make us us and I think we
need to revisit that because it's a
great conversation and then if nowadays
we look a lot more towards if we want to
actually have things happen how do we
then take actions to be successful and I
think that that is a conversation that
we need to have of that list of
treasures are there certain things we
can influence you know I don't know that
we can influence the mist in the
mountains maybe we can get a
climatologist to help us understand that
better but you know there might be some
actions we can take as a community to
make sure that at least a portion of the
treasures are are preserved I don't know
but that's a conversation we could have
it's a great list it was a great process
it really was yes it was and it's a
great list but there are some things on
it that are questionable and something
that we need I had one more I did
remember all for the community outreach
program so what I would tell you is I
don't know enough about that to know
whether that's comp plan policies I mean
so I don't know I don't know if that
discussion is going to generate then
policies to add to our comp plan or not
it could I know that the council
increased the funding for the
neighborhood outreach coordinator from
three quarters to full-time and so there
is kind of an increased effort to
improve our community outreach part of
that within development services is to
look at our construction noticing you
know the old white signs that used to go
up that said you know hey something's
going to all the trees are going to get
bulldozed on this property but as you
drove past it at 40 miles an hour you
didn't know if it was gonna be a single
house or a five storey you know
apartment building and so part of what
we've been talking about is how do we
change that to make it more transparent
to the community what's actually going
in there then we've done some tests with
some different projects that are under
construction right now and so that will
be one part it won't be pollen I can't
see policies coming out of that activity
but this other thing maybe maybe not
I don't know enough to know okay sorry
well are you recommending that we added
on to them to this list as a visibility
I'm not but you guys could write I don't
know what policies would be involved in
that either I don't there will be a code
amendment that you see I think because
some of the public outreach notification
would change if we're going in the
direction that we think we're going but
it's not a policy though it's just a
trying to do a better job
letting folks know when construction and
development is coming I think that's an
ongoing thing for you guys after you
hear from the neighbors that haven't
been warned about a four-story building
now you're understanding you got to do a
little bit more right you I don't think
that should be on there I think that's
something you should be doing all the
time and I could be right it's mark I
think it's a general discussion about
how the Community Engagement person
should be how time should be used to
increase public engagement in the
process so that would be the larger
conversation I would want to have I
don't think that probably fits in the
comprehensive plan no agreement I don't
know about you sir yeah or no so no I
said a quick question a different
question okay back to the table original
number 12 was is it's not proposed to be
on the docket and I'm fine with that but
I just have a question about it
create transportation element
implementation strategy that sounds like
something the community would really
resonate with at some point in time so I
don't really know what that is but I'm
glad it's on the list I get that we
don't have time for it this year but
maybe next year anything around
transportation I think besides the the
Improvement Program I think would before
we're thinking that's right
so actually I'd like to ask question the
commissioners of the four items that
were mentioned we want to discuss them
any further or do we want to add them on
as you get visibility to him well I I
thought that the idea of discussing the
treasures in some form would be nice
because it sounds like there's a lot of
there will probably be a longer
discussion than just one meeting and so
I think it would be nice to start that
discussion in 2018 I also don't know
that based on the information we heard
about what the list of treasures is
though I also don't think it's a
comprehensive plans amendment but I
think it would be nice to start the
discussion right and it's just the
located in the comprehensive plan it was
it was done as the beginning of our GMA
so we've always left it in there as I
think it's in volume 2 just so we
wouldn't lose it
but I'll send it to you tomorrow morning
so you can again read the treasures ok
so so with that we want to add any more
we're comfortable with where it is the
ones that Lindsay added are we adding
those oh because my main ideas were the
st3 station the regulation so that we're
not rezoning business Parker commercial
into multifamily and the vision surgeon
zero I'm gonna ask cristen the mobility
plan the master mobility plan would that
have something like the vision zero in
it it would cover it yeah okay the only
reason I brought it up was because it
was on Bellevue's docket for adding to
there so I wasn't sure whether it was
something that standard we should be
also adopting okay and do we know the
timeline for the mobility master plan no
waiting to get a transportation senior
transportation planner okay and the
transportation advisory board in place
and that's the nate'll start being
addressed and really that the
transportation 0 the transportation 0
like the water system plan that's
something that needs to be addressed
through the transportation group first
and then come to us okay that'll be good
for the transportation board okay we're
not adding anything so that one wouldn't
get added then is that right no I don't
think it needs to be out of it okay you
don't want to add any of the put the
others so we have the shoreline the
Community Engagement st3 maintenance
yard and the treasurer's and then your
vision zero so of those five we're not
recommending that we add any of these
onto the docket at least for visibility
I think for the most part we've decided
that those belong in other areas than
the Comprehensive Plan well they're
important things like the SD 3 station
location would happen with a strategic
plan or things with the policy on yes I
agree with what you said and I was
moving on to the next one the the policy
on no net loss of jobs slash business
parks that would be something that would
either go in economic vitality or the
land-use element we're still talking
about that one keeping that one
but you have one of those things up
there is you're gonna work on a number
of jobs right we're gonna have a
tracking of jobs like we have a tracking
of housing coming in and so I think that
kind of works together right there's not
an image I think you'll see be handled
by other conversations that are
happening again
it was in Redmon's docket so I just
there was a question though when Alice
came in and it wasn't a business park
but the little mall was taken out was
like wow how many jobs did we lose and
so I mean it begs the question do we
want to have something in there that at
least says that we're aware that if it
comes in I guess I could that as an idea
it could be presented in our
comprehensive plan as we value jobs and
don't want to work on those replacements
so I don't know whether that's a a
policy decision that then needs to find
a home in the comprehensive plan but it
certainly seems like something that as a
community we're having more discussion
around right why don't we just take
those five things and make a list and
keep them in front of us or either next
year or to make sure that they're done
or looked at just just keep a record of
them basically okay because I'm happy to
put because I agree that st3 should be
in the strategic plan for the bigger
question the shoreline master program
I'm happy to put that in for 2019
because you'll be seeing probably parts
of it as it comes through if there's
change and that applies to the
comprehensive plan so I think it's the
appropriate place right and then the
treasurer's either in starting this year
at the end of the year and then
continuing on into 2019 I'm happy to put
those on as a separate line in the
docket and I but I don't have five what
I'm when am I missing so the five was so
shoreline community engagement st3
maintenance Treasury
in the vision zero vision zero is gonna
screw up somewhere else Community
Engagement is going to go somewhere else
the shoreline st3 maintenance and
treasures is st3 maintenance in the
Comprehensive Plan it's in the central
plan but I think it should get figured
out in this treaty it should but these
are comprehensive plan amendment so sing
it goes out somewhere else right yep
so we're down to shoreline and what
buzzers which are both comprehensive
plan right and the policy of no net loss
or at least a considered so yeah or no
well actually yeah I would say it
probably belongs in the Comprehensive
Plan whether or not I would be handled
this year or not so I have no net loss
the shoreline master program and the
treasurer's you don't have to put all
these in there you understand that I
mean we're making you don't have to put
them all in here and they don't have to
be done this year as long as you write
and Keith understand that they don't
have to be landing in Keith the capital
facilities plan we're actually moving
forward with getting the data to support
that initiative for 2019 I think I lost
that brain cell over the holidays so I'm
pretty so it was in the department's
budget to fund the update of the rate
study I don't remember if it got adopted
so I need to and we were trying to look
on a phone but well we'll Trish we'll
follow up with you tomorrow and give you
an idea of whether or not the rate study
got funded if it did then we will have
that done by the end of the year and
there will be updated impact fees for
police fire general government if it
didn't get funded I need to remember why
it didn't get funded because I remember
we asked for it so I need to figure out
the pathway of where it fell off the the
funding proposal but your guys memo that
you said saying the city needs to update
its impact fees that was why it was put
on the request for this year and I
I'm at least 75% sure it got funded but
I don't know for sure so we will do a
little homework and let you guys know
that and if so then then the impact fees
need to be updated right but we were
upset about that last time was that the
last study was done six or seven years
ago with the treasures and and it came
down to we needed no new policemen no
new firemen and we had an excess of a
fire truck and so things have changed
drastically since that so if the level
of service data did get funded
is that still and that's on the other
page is that still listed as 2019 or
would that potentially move it up into
2018 it would depend on how fast the
consultant can get that data together
okay as I would say of the kind of
extras that would be a pretty important
one right to me considering the
conversation on impact fees and the fact
that we are so behind on so I'm sure we
have small cells helping Kristen use her
phone to stream data so it is it is in
the adopted budget so we will be
inserting me to put that on your list of
things to do because I'm sure you had
more capacity so we will get the
consultant started on that sometime soon
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yes yeah our first quarter list which is
a page and a half long
apparently it needs to at least one more
thing so so we will do that and that's
good I thought that that it got funded
but I just couldn't remember for sure so
by leaving this as number 11 well I have
to remember them it will be 13 now so
are those 11 and 12 okay first of all is
this in order of importance no okay okay
it's just on the docket then so that
means you have the authority or the
ability to actually move forward
getting the funniness supposing the
consultant is able
to finish their work not for yes okay
right all right excellent
and when you think of the process we
hope to come to you in September for a
public hearing which would mean all
their work would have to be done before
that so we would have the numbers by
then so I'm not sure we would have them
all but we might have one we might have
police done or whichever they do first I
just have to see how fast they can go
next I need a motion to approve what
we've just changed on the docket I'm
chairman I move that we approve a
comprehensive plan amendment docket for
2018 with the changes we've discussed
including the new highlighted and red
portion on this slide for numbers 11 and
12 and that's the new 11 and the old 11
being added becomes 13 into 2018 well
yep second all those in favor say aye
opposed say no motion carries
done how are anything else for the good
of the order besides when our next
meeting is not that I know of but I've
sent an email out because yes we're
looking for yet another night for a
quorum for the vision and I've heard two
responses of yeses so we're well on our
way and it would be Wednesday February
28th so make sure you let me know if
you're able to do yet another exciting
vision night on a Wednesday I know it's
exciting you know I was planning a world
tour well it was either Valentine's Day
or the 28th and as much as we love
I went with xx so something that's okay
if I already responded to your email
because if not yes you did so thank you
you and Lindsay have said yes and so yes
okay well I need I need verification and
right I will but thank you but the other
dates then would be you have next week
off like what will you do with your
spare time but you have homework to do I
sent you home work this morning
and then next week you can either send
me the answers to your homework and we
can make beautiful slides so that when
you share your thoughts with the rest of
the commissioners they'll be on slides
or you can just bring them yourself and
we can go from there and then next the
next week after that you have two
meetings in a row so January is all very
exciting so use your time off next week
wisely okay and thank you very much for
all your work it's pretty exciting with
that I will call the meeting closed at
8:11 thank you
you