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seven points out one two three four
general well this is we're not voting
anyway welcome to the January 10th
meeting of the Planning Policy
Commission I want to I originally wanted
to say thank you Oh tonight we're going
to talk about continue talking about the
vision of the central area I wanted to
thank the scribe for doing such
tremendous minutes from our last meeting
and with that I'd like to look at the
members of this commission and say have
you read the minutes and are you ready
to vote as somebody have a something to
tell me I'd like to make a motion to
approve the minutes
November 30th of November 30th any
discussion all those in favor say aye
aye I don't think I could do that
because can I on this tonight I can
approve the minutes okay perfect before
we start discussion tonight I know that
Keith is ready to give us a update on
everything we need to know to make a
wise decision for creating this vision
for the community I want to remind
everybody that we've spent the last year
well before that I when I read the
minutes I realized that there were some
people that had made comments about
making sure that you had codes addressed
before you could go into the vision but
if you remember for the last year we
have been working on such things as
Heights and setbacks and schools and
housing issues so we have done all the
hard work I mean some of that still has
to be done but the major part of it has
been done and what what the city has
done is started actually backwards they
started with the underlings and then
come back to do the vision and normally
you do the vision first so what the city
has done is made our work just a little
bit harder so when Keith does his
presentation maybe you can remember all
of the conditions that you put on all of
these things so that when you can see
the vision you can correlate the two
together
so with that Keith we're looking forward
to your presentation I know that I asked
you guys to put together a list of all
of the things that we suggested you were
probably going to do it anyway but I'm
hoping that all of the things that we've
said in the last couple of meetings that
are now in a concise form since you
haven't updated the actual vision
there's pressure so first off Happy New
Year everybody hopefully everybody had a
nice holidays and welcome to 2018 so
this evening we are revisiting the
visions we spent a number of meetings
last year kind of walking through
changing the visions making
recommendations to changing the visions
from what they are currently in the plan
to something that would provide greater
clarity and predictability for the
community as well as the developers that
are choosing to develop in central
Issaquah so what as you know when we
when we realized that we were coming
back you know my thinking is because
this is a topic that has no edges it
really doesn't we could talk about this
forever frankly and there is no right
and wrong there's just different
opinions and different ways we can keep
recharacterizing I think what we'd like
Central Issaquah to be and so what I
thought was let's let's divide it into
three try and do this in three meetings
where we take kind of the introduction
piece
tonight and then the next two meetings
we would spend on two neighborhoods each
meeting or two sub districts each
meeting so I tried to kind of break it
into smaller pieces so we could stay
focused because it's easy to get lost is
my take on this so so we have some
different choices and so I wanted Before
we jump into kind of talking about this
I want to make sure we're all pointed in
the same direction and so what we have
as a base document is something that we
spent a number of meetings on last year
it is a product of basically a year-long
public outreach where we had
neighborhood meetings we had focus
groups we came to PPC early on and you
guys put some preferences on boards and
then ultimately we started drafting
language and as we work through that
with you guys last year we came up with
kind of a current structure and before
we start wordsmithing I think the
question for you all is the structure
that we have in place are we moving
forward with that and if so then yeah
let's start talking about the comments
we heard a council committee and what
are we gonna do with those
that's one pathway we could go down a
different pathway is know the structures
not what we wanted it to be frankly it
was flawed and we should start at square
one
you know Reedus cussing what these
visions what the content should be and
how to put that together
what I would say though is I'm going to
let you guys hopefully choose which
pathway you want to go down before we
start my only hope is that whatever
pathway we go down that we can get to an
end point in the first quarter of this
year I think that you know the
commitment that I heard from the council
was send it back to PPC you know three
meetings seemed like a reasonable amount
of time so the whole
is that whatever direction we want to go
that you know basically three months
worth two to three months we should be
done now if that means I'm willing to
meet here I'm actually here every night
anyway so there if we want to talk about
this nightly I'm good with that
but I think part of before we get kind
of started is it's just having a very
high conversation about the document
that we took forward to Council in
December is that is that the starting
spot
should we start there do we feel like we
had productive conversations in 2017 and
that that even though we all agree it
wasn't a finished document is that a
good starting spot for a 2018
conversation so that's I think question
number one which you want an answer I
would I am I am waiting for an answer so
you know I think I think the question is
do we start where we where we left off
or do we want to start in a new space I
guess you could say there's two
different ways you could slice that you
could take attribute you could start
over from scratch and take attributes
chunks and say this is a great piece
let's put this in here let's put this in
here and kind of create a new structure
using what we have right so yep or we
try and make these work and I don't I
think I might actually faster to do it
the other way more faster and more
efficient than trying to debug what we
already have it's thought I mean that's
how I work when I come up with a problem
it isn't moving forward I don't know so
you start from scratch I just reformat
or restructured the document the plan
and then I take what I've already
thought and started saying this is a
good piece let's put this over here and
let's put this over here so so thinking
from an efficiency standpoint does it
really make any difference if this
section is before this section does it
really make a difference to the
overall plan No okay so what you just
said you just said no to structure how
things are say how things are structured
together start start with the beginning
what is in there in the plan now is it
bad is it wrong can it be improved on or
is nothing in it about you I think it
can be improved upon
okay improved upon it's not starting
from scratch no I'm not saying start
from scratch I'm saying there's two
different ways okay how do I say is
organizationally you can start from
scratch and then because the way we
think organ is or how we organize it
might be important or how we process
things
so going from we're gonna look at this
chapter that we're going to relook at
the valley the valley vision then we're
going to move over to but isn't the
vision itself more important than how
its put together yes so if you spend if
you start from scratch and end up
spending six or seven meetings on it
because we're not going to agree on this
here and this here but no we want to
change the structure of it isn't it more
important through this point in time to
get on and actually get on with the city
get on with the building get on with the
vision then worrying about the structure
so I'll come back to my original
question is what is in there now
efficient do we cover all the bases is I
mean I know that we needed more wildlife
and protection of streams I know but
that's in there now what else do we have
to put in there to make it work I see
two things are I think
comments um I think that it is a good
starting place because I think we have
put a lot of time into the structure and
for me I like the developer probably the
developer section the city section and
the what success looks like I like those
because I think it clearly lays out
where we want to go I do have some small
smaller things but I think in the I
think it's a good starting place yeah I
would just add I think if we were gonna
go back to square one that means really
going back to square one and going out
to the community again and doing
everything we did last year and I feel
like all of that has ended up you know
in a good place
structurally I mean I feel good about
that so one thing I would that I do
think is missing but I think is is again
correctable from this as a starting
point is that I looked in earlier
versions and I think that in a vision
some illustrations of what we mean for
example by a human-sized grid those
sorts of things that they could benefit
from some actual photos and those there
were some images in earlier versions of
the vision so that is one thing that I
think is missing right now we really
have I think a good I think we have a
good starting place from the verbiage
but we are missing those pictures which
I think could could really bring some of
the verbiage to life I'll see ya so I
actually agree that the structure is
good
what so I but I do have feedback on the
and we can talk about this a little bit
later on and the the words are a little
too soft I think they have to be much
more actionable and and I guess you have
to put regulations behind them also in
terms of the measures of success I think
we need to talk a lot more about how
success is actually defined because
things like yeah
wildlife corridors are identified and
protected what does that mean I mean it
means
it could mean different things to
different people so you know those kind
of things I think that we have to change
but I think that the structure I agree
with I think that if we do separate into
three meetings and take each district
separately I think we're going to come
up with some better ideas and I have a
couple little little things in each one
of them too that that would be to me
would be more vision statement but
basically I think we need to get on with
the discussion and and see where you
want us to go here okay so let's let's
start there I think there's a lot of
refinement that will come out of these
meetings whether it's three or four that
we end up having so I'm absolutely good
with that and you guys as you think of
things along the way even if we're
they're kind of like we're gonna do it
next time or something or we did it last
time feel free to let me know because
I'm taking notes and we will get all
that stuff cranked into iterative
versions as we move along Kate I would
ask one thing though which i think is is
giving me heartburn on what you have
here yeah is we make these suggestions
but they're not incorporated necessarily
into what we get so I'm hoping that as
we make some suggestions tonight they
can be incorporated so that we can see
the final if you want to yes final
product you will you will have my intent
would be you would get updates before
the next meeting so the next packet
before we enough for tomorrow but for
the next the next agenda when we talk
about visions again whatever we talk
about tonight
will get incorporated into a red line of
the previous version so it has to be
that way we can't no absolutely fine so
we'll spend a little bit of time I think
looking in the rearview mirror looking
at the red lines and see if we captured
your guys's comments and then we'll
focus on the next segment so that's the
way I envision this going down I don't
know if you were planning on
talking about this but I would like to
review the the code part the enforceable
byte code because that was something
that was new to me that was brought up
at the Landon Shore and I think that is
a really important thing for us to
discuss because it changes the context
of the whole vision so if we could
review that I would appreciate that yeah
I have a question too we went through
all of those bite just height
restrictions and all the things that
we've done the last year so if when we
finish this and it goes to council and
it's approved and I know it will be
improved does it you know most of that
stuff is now basically code because
that's what you're going to be working
under when somebody comes in to ask for
permits so do you have to go back how
long is it going to take you to go back
and actually put it into code language
so that somebody can say hey this is
code so that's a that's a big fork in
the road and we need to have a
conversation this is I think what Vicki
was after just a second ago there's
there's two ways we can do this one is
we can leave the visions as basically
kind of like policy direction you know
here's here's what we want for our city
and then you have to actually then add
code section to put to make those
connections between the visions and what
the regulations say people actually have
to do that's one choice the other choice
and this is the piece that this is the
pathway that I chose last year and I did
we could go either way so I don't think
there's a right and wrong answer the
other way is you change the
applicability section in the code to say
and you have to comply with the visions
so this gets to Althea's point earlier
and that is if the language in the
visions is clear then you can use that
as regulation even though it's basically
more like Paul
see so as long as it's clear then the
city can say look here's what the vision
says for this neighborhood you have to
do this and even though it's not in the
code section it's in the plan it can be
implemented with the right connector and
and that's the the piece that we put
into the applicability section we can go
either way so either one but we have to
that's a like I said it is a fork in the
road we should decide because either one
we're gonna spend a lot of time on that
language to make it clearly
implementable or we leave it broader and
there's going to be a follow-up code
section that's going to have to come
later this year and it would come back
to us to code would come back to you
okay I would like to see actual codes so
and when the developer comes in or a
builder comes in they can say this is it
it's that's too too aspirational over
there
I want code I want to see it in writing
that this is what I have to do I don't
want to change I want to well gee it's
aspirational and it could be this or
they could be that but this states it
specifically so I I would hope my
recommendation would say come back and
do it in code so we should so we'll have
there's pros and cons and so I've worked
in permitting for a long time and
permitting is black and white right
setbacks are 25 feet no ifs ands or buts
if you don't like that you can apply for
variance right but otherwise you do that
the problem is with vision stuff to turn
that into code you cannot imagine every
scenario that you're possibly going to
have there's too many different
variables out there in property and
setbacks and everything else and so what
it does by keeping it in the vision
section and I'm not plugging one or the
other is it gives the city the ability
it it gives you some performance
standards so in other words it says you
have to
this but there might be two or three
different ways to get there right and an
individual property owner in the city
can work through that and and get
compliance so the compliance isn't
optional
but how you get there there might be
some variety in how you get there it's
the same as asking for a variance it is
not it's actually not so so we'll talk
about that at some point and and let's
let's stay on topic for a little while
all right so let's so so let's let's go
ahead I mean is anybody else want to
talk about structure choices before we
dive into the council committee comments
which I actually thought most of them
were really good I think we just have to
talk them through and decide what we
want to do with them so you guys are
sitting at the table and when we're done
and when Keith says does anybody else
want to make any comment you're
certainly welcome to to make your ideas
no so that's why you're here yeah before
we move forward can we just make a
decision are we keeping the structure
well I've had three people that said yes
I just want to make it definitive yeah
that's my move forward we check a box so
I thought I'd like to check boxes
tonight I don't think we have to make a
move
no just I think it's in a collaborative
gonna continue on the way I think so
yeah yes don't fight over the microphone
so on the structure like so so I get on
the structure that's all I was gonna
talk about the structure part it seems
like needed some to me needed some
further depth on defining housing and
restricting housing types the same type
of housing types in that area
so from structure pattern I think this
structure I guess I would senior to the
structure I wasn't going to talk about
that piece but it as a structure where
you talk about it not so much in each
neighborhood okay
the concept of designing housing so it's
similar housing stock goes into existing
same stock that's a structure that
applies to all neighborhoods maybe you
don't put a condo right next to a house
or you don't put a townhouse structure
of individual districts we're talking
about how to present the whole statement
there's a difference in I think the way
we're communicating to one another so
Steve let me cuz I know where you're at
so on if we if we keep the structure and
then we start looking at the document
the first couple items from the council
committees list deal with the guiding
principles you're in the guiding
principles right now and I think your
comment about that as it relates to the
housing guiding principle once you save
it for them because I think we're gonna
talk about jobs in the guiding
principles and we're also talking about
the main vision statement so so okay I
think okay yeah a little sort of I was
gonna be a high level on all these the
next was the environment and the concern
I have is
Issaquah talks about having a 51% tree
canopy going forward and i don't know
how how that's going to be held in
context with the green necklace concept
I want to see that get flushed out
further as well in much more depth and
the other was economic vitality jobs
again the same thing what's the balance
we have a measure of a method of
measuring our economic success I don't
know if we have a measure from okay
those are my thoughts at high level
honey I just have a clarification when
you talk about structure we are talking
about the structure of starting with the
central squat plan the plan vision and
then all of the language that goes down
into it as being part of the structure
right because in a few meetings ago
there was some talk of splitting that
out into a different place right okay so
that's staying staying in and then the
rest goes so so there was some comments
out of the committee about the need for
change section so if we're keeping the
same structure then we're gonna have a
conversation about that one section of
the structure and where whether it lives
or not or morphs into something else
that will definitely be part of the
conversation I just wanted to make sure
that I understood that all of that
language at the front was part of the
structure yes it thank you and Keith
what's your opinion on structure yes so
so what's the goal and and so sometimes
for me it's important where we talk what
are we trying to do what are we trying
to achieve and what I believe we're
trying to achieve is we're trying to put
some more clarity on the visions for
central Issaquah we we decided that that
may be the first projects that came
through the the turnstile didn't quite
meet our expectations and so what
way to improve predictability is to
provide a greater level of detail and so
I believe that this document will do
that I don't think that there is a way
we can anticipate every development
project that's coming through and get
this perfect but I believe that between
the revision to the visions as well as
the codes that Joan talked about earlier
I think the city is going to be in a
much better place for the next wave of
development that comes through the door
so is this is this I think this will get
us there I think there's a lot of
wordsmithing still to do to make it
clear because what might be clearer for
me and what might be clearer for you
might be completely different things
and the task at hand is to write
something that's clear for everybody so
that there's little ambiguity because
the more ambiguity there is the more
people bring their lawyers to the city
and and try and prove that they're right
and that's not where I want to go so so
do I think that we're on the right track
I do think we're on the right track
I think this document is a lot more
predictable than the one we had
previously and a lot clearer of what
everybody's responsibilities are and
talking about just measuring success
alphy I think that's a huge piece and
and I think you guys spent a lot of time
talking about that that was a necessary
component to this so I drunk the
kool-aid I guess I think I think we're
moving in the right direction I think
this has some more work to do but I
think I think if we kind of focus and
talk about it I think we're gonna get
there I really do
well any thoughts
okay so let's let's get on with it
all right okay so we're starting page
one there were comments about so so for
me I'm gonna try and be as focused as I
can so so our task was to update
divisions some of these first comments
are really more about the main vision of
the plan and the guiding principles
which wasn't necessarily assuming was
part of our scope but it became our
scope so it's it's part of I think it's
it's open for conversation at this point
you know when you read the main vision
statement which listed on the top of
page one I'll go down so central
Issaquah vision guide the evolution of
central Issaquah from a place known
primarily for strip malls and office
buildings into a more cohesive
neighborhood that is widely recognized
as a vibrant and livable town center by
and then there's the rest so there were
comments about that statement not being
aspirational enough and also being kind
of pointing at a negative of our city
and so so there was at least some
comment from landon sure that this
particular piece needed to get some work
now I haven't put any time into the
island so so although I would have I'd
love to say that from Landon's shore
till now I haven't done any work and I
got to spend a lot of time on the beach
somewhere that's not true
I actually didn't start wordsmithing
this because I wanted to make sure we
were in agreement that things that we
agreed with the committee so first
question is do you guys agree with the
committee is this is this statement not
where we want it to be yes okay so great
so that's a YES on the first one okay so
I would like to
the commissioners I don't think we have
time to all agree on another vision
statement I think we could go around the
circles for six months and not come up
with something so what I'd like to do is
ask you to go home and think about it
and come up with something so that when
we come back in the next meeting we have
some choices we have some choice that'd
be great to to put up there and kind of
look at super awesome idea
okay so we're all gonna take a whack at
this intro to the main guiding
principles I think that's great and I
know that
councilmember winter Stein also said he
had worked on that a little bit and I
reached out to him and asked for him to
share and he is he said he wanted to
meet so we're gonna do that I think
early next week
so by the time you guys get the next
version if he's got some suggestions I
will make sure you guys have that to
consider suggestions suggest yes suggest
they're just suggestions on it yeah all
right so suggestion now so I was one of
the people who I strongly feel that this
does not have the sense of pride that we
want to start a vision with and I think
though if we just remove this is a
suggestion if we remove the clause in
the middle about a place known primarily
for strip malls and office buildings so
if we say guide the evolution of central
Issaquah into a more cohesive
neighborhood that is widely recognized
as a vibrant and livable town center by
and then the principles I think that
that could be a workable solution
because I just don't like that one
center part that's a good start and it
could be the one that we all agree on
that but let's all still give us take
that and see if we can't move forward I
just don't want to spend a lot of time
on that particular thing when we have to
look at so many other things yeah yes
okay because I already know what's gonna
take most of our conversation that's
this necklace thing so so okay so Steve
brought up some points and so now we're
into we're into the actual guiding
principles and you know the thing about
this to me Tricia and I were talking
about this and I think Christian you
might have been there although it's hard
for me remember these days you know part
of this is things change right i when
this plan was being put together
there was no housing in central Issaquah
at all nobody was even talking about
building housing in central Issaquah the
city knew it needed housing you know to
go with all the jobs and so there was a
huge focus on housing so when we say
well where's the jobs it's like well you
know back when the plan was being put
together it was kind of just assumed the
jobs were gonna be here but you know
clearly times change and now the sudden
you get housing and people start
worrying about the jobs and it's like
where's the jobs and so it's it's just a
product of this thing is a fluid thing
even though you do these plans that are
for a long time
things change people's perspectives
change priorities change and sometimes
it's worthwhile going back and looking
and saying why did we write it that way
why didn't we include these other things
and so I think it's a great time for us
to say let's talk about what's not there
what might should be there so Steve you
had talked about both how an amendment
to the Housing and environment earlier
yes okay okay so on your point on
housing I don't want to I don't want to
put words in your mouth I don't want to
paraphrase what you said but what I
think you were getting to was that there
needs to be some consistency in housing
in neighborhoods with it so you want to
kind of go that with that a little bit
and kind of see if there's any support
from others to try and change that I
think that is a good summary I think
at least in sin neighborhoods words
traditional housing that stock of
existing housing needs to be maintained
in style and type not do things like
combining lots and to allow larger Sal
houses or larger height houses and are
consistent with the neighborhood that's
my intent housing I guess I would also
look at codeine that allows more
condominiums versatile housing instead
of apartment style complexes which seems
to be the place that we're going and I'd
like to know if there's some way or code
that allows for or prevents or just
opens the floodgates all kinds of
apartment complexes which I think
bringing a different character and style
of a community then then does having
folks who own the residents I think
every city right now would love to have
condominiums and not apartments since
they can't since the builders aren't
going to build it under the liability
that is now put upon them they're not
going to come I know that there are
other cities that are facing the same
problems that have joined together with
other groups to lobby the legislature to
remove the restrictions that are now on
on it and from what I heard at the
economic breakfast last week I think
there are several legislators on both
sides of the aisle that are willing to
look at this and understand that it's a
problem for all the cities to get condos
and the only thing that I would say
about this housing thing here is I think
we need to add somewhere
when you have a variety of types you
should have owned in it and
owner-occupied I don't know how you
would put that in there but it's coming
and I would if I would expect it would
be a lot of discussion in the next
legislative sister it's only 60 days so
I don't know what's going to come about
it but that's one of the big issues that
I know the realtors are on board with it
and a few other cities so it's extremely
important to put in there so yeah I mean
right now realtor's master-builders
cities Issaquah ever at rent and so
everybody's lobbying Olympia right now
to support some sort of legislative
action that would remove that liability
issue which is basically keeping
builders from building condominiums so
so this is a this is a regional problem
and unfortunately until it changes you
will not get condominiums in Issaquah
because of the liability risk and the
associated cost to mitigate that risk
that comes with that but there is
significant effort right now being
followed to try and change that so can
we prevent or down zone to prevent
apartment complexes this is not a zoning
activity this is a busy I'm asking for a
brioche you're not a lawyer and I don't
play one on TV either but from is there
way the city can say be controlled
zoning so so the City Council the City
Council could zone property to make it
only allowable for single-family homes I
don't think that's consistent with the
vision conversations we're having can I
ask a kind of a larger question here so
what are we trying trying to accomplish
when saying that we want condos as
opposed to apartments what what is the
driving need for that
I mean so you know condos provide
housing to a certain set of people
renters are a different set of people
now you want a whole competition of
those so if we're trying to build more
condos what is the greater need that
we're trying to accomplish by saying
that we want condos I'm not quite I
wasn't quite getting that from the
conversation I can answer that
so I guess what I'm trying to address is
I think you get a community where people
live work play go to school all those
things you get a different economic
vitality out of people who own their
residence and take pride in their
ownership versus people who might be
renters and care more for the community
that's what I'm tempted to drive by
having or method of ownership as being a
preferred method of desired residency
rather than apartment complex owners so
then in the in the grand scheme of
things are we saying that yeah so this
is a very pretty expensive part of town
right and so we're saying that people
are not as valued because they cannot
afford to buy property I'm not looking
at it as a attempting to drive or
determine or ascertain the value of a
person so it still has value regardless
I'm not sure I'm so I get your point I
actually support your point so this is
this is a thing where we can go down a
rabbit hole really fast I think Steve
has made a suggestion that we put some
language in here I think Joan has made a
suggestion what I'm looking for is does
anybody else other than Jones support
her proposal and does anybody other than
Steve support his proposal and I think
we should move on I think it's basically
the same I'm not sure what was the
proposal again
exactly I don't I don't get those
exactly so there was there was basically
you know two and I don't know what the
exact words are we'll work on that and
we can do that as a red line and then
you guys can look at and see if you like
it it was to put some language in there
about you know I would I would so the
word in here is variety maybe it should
be diversity
I heard ownership and rental being
somewhere mentioned in that we can put
that in and see what it looks like and
then we can have a bigger conversation
about whether we support that as an edit
or not rather than spending a ton of
time debating that tonight it doesn't
say that it has to be one or the other
in the way of what comes in and being
built but I think that having language
in there that just says that we you know
want all different types of housing
gives the city a better flavor a better
I don't know a mixture of people who
come in here and stay for many years and
make the city their own that join boards
and commissions and actually part of the
city but I think that this is a vision
statement so we can you know our vision
is to have a mixture of both of them and
at some point in time we'll be able to
do that actually I have a suggestion for
that and when we talked about jobs I was
just thinking jobs housing it has to
support the economic vitality and the
innovation and if you don't have all of
those support eachother then you just
having them in random pockets doesn't
seem to make any sense to me
I mean that's that's my opinion it's if
you're trying to get to a certain place
the jobs the housing everything has to
fit together sounds like two different
Congress say are two very different
topics owner occupancy ratio which is
one is that the legality of living
renters versus owners and then you have
the diversified portfolio of properties
so vision statement should probably
cover both those we want to stipulate a
ratio of owner occupancy know so so the
hard thing is as government we live in a
capitalist country last I checked you
know it's very property rights oriented
we can't mandate ownership or rental so
you can you can allow for a certain
height a certain density but legally we
can't say you can only put ownership
housing there the property owner has the
right to build you know mental ownership
co-op if that's allowed by code so so us
trying to prescribe an ideal ratio one
it's hard to implement but two I don't
know what success would be you know
because it you will get into a serious
debate about equity and diversity and
you know what income level our jobs are
here and it starts to unravel really
quickly okay and I have a question about
condos while we're on your topic if we
have a high-rise building it's not
apartments and it would become condos
right if it's residential its
residential so are we actually already
gonna get that right now right now if
you get a multi-story residential
building it will be apartments or it'll
be a hotel if you consider that
residential I don't but it would be so
so if a builder so right now a builder
has a choice of building condominiums
for sale units for rental units and the
reason why they're choosing to in our
economy Seattle is different downtown
Bellevue is a little bit different but
for us right now the added cost to get
the protection from the lawsuits so what
happens is there's a whole group of
lawyers out there that chase condominium
construction and there's a certain time
limit for liability of construction
defects and what happens is if you build
condominiums you will be sued for some
sort of construction defect because
there's money to be made to do that and
it's just and until we change the
legislation that gives some protection
to builders for that purpose people will
not build condominiums here because what
you have to do is you have to buy an
insurance policy that protects you
against that liability risk and so
you're building the same product
basically and you're having to pay to
not get sued or to cover your assets
when you do get sued and most builders
will say it's not worth it that the
money doesn't work so I'm just gonna
build an apartment and that's why
apartments are getting built right now
here
oh if Raleigh was to develop their
properties today I'm going to go with
the maximum size and say we're gonna go
with a story building yep and it would
be apartments by default I would let
Kerri answer that question
okay emotional experience and the system
is not set up for people who want to do
the right thing I didn't realize that
well you go one step for it further if
there's a problem of a minor plumbing
issue that's enough they can the Builder
Canada cannot come back and fix it
homeowners are required to sue yeah
instead of fixing some little feature
and any builder who built a new home no
matter how expensive the home is there's
going to be something that isn't quite
right the corner isn't you know 45
degree or 90 degree angle and they can't
come back and fix it they have to be
sued and so until that's changed
okay so difficult understanding the
legalities and the reasons why you'd
want apartments over condos is there a
difference between construction quality
of a condo versus apartment or are they
the same and the reason why I bring that
up is because many years ago they're in
the real estate booth everybody was
doing condo conversions right converting
apartment
they're always apartments they never
work and tend to be comments so in
today's market and someone was to build
an apartment complex is it actually
really I mean if someone chose to go
down the route of a condominium versus
apartment complex is it really the same
building or are there different quality
on the finishes because it's going to
depend on what they think they can get
for rent and you know if they if they
consider it a luxury market they'll del
up the finishes because then they'll be
able to get the the rents to justify
that same color same to build the
building yeah oh I had no idea there's a
complete revelation to me so it's
awesome yeah
something a little bit different but
still staying with housing where we talk
in I think the business is all trying to
keep existing businesses especially
since we've still got confluence area in
here which does have existing housing
which I think a lot of that is
the lower-income and I wouldn't even
consider it affordable because by you
know the current definition of
affordable most of those are low income
and I would like to see maybe some
statement in there to try and also with
the housing is make sure going forward
we can keep our existing housing you
know our existing citizens that are
there and not displace them because
that's the other thing that's really
happening with Seattle is all their low
rent apartments and hotels are being
torn down and none are being built so
that's one of the reasons why there's so
much homeless and if we do that here if
those be turned into high-rise or you
know expensive apartments where are
those people in there right now going to
go so some sort of says you know
sustainability with existing people in
our housing I think we need to have a
statement in there you know I could just
add I think with the with the housing I
mean I agree with what everybody is
saying but I think from a vision like
from for the vision I mean really what
may be well the words we need to think
about our like why do we want you know
condos instead of apartments or whatever
it is what what are the outcomes and
it's I mean we want to facilitate
investment in the community or whatever
it is whatever then whatever those words
are and I think that's it gets a little
fuzzy but in the vision statement I mean
that's that's the way that's why we want
that we don't want to say in the vision
we want you know owner-occupied or
whatever but we want people to invest
live a long time and invest in the
community and we have a lot of that in
there already I mean you know all stages
of life and varieties and words like
that which are all good I think the
detail is going to can then come later
either in the neighborhoods or even in
code or whatever but but that's just my
my perspective just reminding us this is
a vision and not you know that detail
I don't agree with any of y'all the
reason that we added central housing to
central Issaquah is because it was a
monoculture of businesses and adding
housing was going to create the vitality
and the 24-hour occupancy that was going
to make it exciting and active and urban
and energized and this statement
provides no pathway to success of
gaining that this just talks about yeah
you know we're gonna grind through and
make sure that we have housing for all
kinds of people it doesn't talk about
why you're putting the housing in the
particular areas to get the success of
each neighborhood to make it individual
and better right and I would like to see
some language in there talking more
about the appropriateness of the housing
per neighborhood and its reason for
being and the variety this is almost a
detail to me it's not a vision so would
you add that to the districts when we
get into the districts and no because
it's the overarching reason for having
housing in the vision it's not each
detailed thing it's more about and the
central is you know we are adding
housing to the area to increase the
vitality make it 24 hours add a variety
of interest or whatever you know the the
words are that people think are
appropriate for what you envision in all
of central Issaquah to make people want
to take the train in and go to Issaquah
and live there because they can walk out
their door and they can go to a
restaurant and they can work just down
the way and you don't have to have a car
and it's transformative right
you're going from suburban car oriented
strip malls to a whole different way of
living and by saying you're just dealing
with a variety of housing methods I
think is is that that would be in each
district vision what kind of housing
varieties do you perceive in that sorry
go ahead
cotton said do you have a draft you
would like to share of a vision alt I
can make one not right now because I
agree with you on the on this it looks
more like a mission statement here's how
we're trying to get to our mission our
vision but we don't know what the
mission is I agree with you if I could
add a comment one of the things that
surprised me about this vision document
is there's no mention in here anywhere
of the cascade agenda which is really
the whole point of the central is
replanting effort that's what we're
trying to achieve we are not only a
cascade agenda city but we are a cascade
agenda leadership City and there's just
a handful of those in the state and yet
in our vision we don't even mention it
what is it's in the introduction of the
plan all the pieces all the sort of the
the anchor pieces and one of them is
cascade one of them's mountain to sound
the GMA target so we went through all of
that and then said and this is our
reaction to that is we're trying to put
it in the central plan but but point
Walter and it's not actually in the bit
ship it belongs in here and it
essentially is a vision that was put
forth by for Tara
it's a different way of growing you know
if the quoi has grown as a suburban
community around the car we are
constrained geographically by mountains
and a lake and frankly we've run out of
room to build and if we don't change the
way we build we're going to go right up
the green hillsides that define the
brand and the character of our community
so we have to have this conversation
with our community about building in a
different way and embracing density in
our urban areas our urban cores in a
thoughtful way that still preserves the
character of our town but saves the open
space that we all value so so greatly
and so there's a website and it goes
into great detail about what that
cascade we have a discussion at one
point in time about in the beginning
having a aspirational wording of why
we're doing this so that we can explain
exactly why we're doing it why we have
to do it you know why we should be doing
it wasn't there some kind of a statement
that should be in there somewhere to
address some of the things have just
been said in the plan why we're doing
the central plan originally why we're
changing the vision it's probably why
we're doing it in the first place why
we're because that's not my land and
adding more housing and more stuff to
the central area we didn't we excel in
the introduction together all the pieces
are in the introduction how we went
through all the pieces of that we could
make it stronger if if it's not I think
that that was one of the things that was
talked about that it should be stronger
and and more up-to-date of why we're
doing this
people don't understand when they wake
up the next morning and there's a 12
story building next to them they want to
what value that is we could send that
around as another homework item for
everyone to read the intro and see if it
needs to be stronger if there needs to
things need to be a reason I different
needs to be somewhere where whether I
mean somewhere ahead of yes right so
yeah do folks agree with that or is that
ask the skull I agree I think that that
would be a better a better introduction
I think that the need for change is a
bit too much it's very germane to the
conversations we're having right now but
for an average reader who wants to know
what the visions about it's it's very
particular to our specific conversations
but I think we would be better served by
having a more general motivation for the
whole document in place of this and
maybe one statement about how it changed
that should be updated let me talk about
that next so so let's there's a lot of
the same page is just not in the same
order I think so
there needs to be a little bit of
tweaking on the economic vitality piece
I think it needs to be specific about
jobs and jobs as it relates to the
housing that's being provided Steve what
was your point on environment I lost
that one you want to still make that or
did you give it up I I guess my point is
is walk talks about a 2-1 percent tree
canopy retention and I don't see how we
can develop the strollers well plan and
retain a 50% tree canopy those things
are in conflict so what's the balance
between being known as a city a Tree
City USA since 1992 the banner is no
longer up there I was pointed
but and this concept of a green necklace
are we forsaking or basically saying for
all intents we're not going to be a 51%
tree canopy city anymore is that what we
would want that's part of it I think
we've kind of talked about wildlife
corridors but I think of things like the
birds were property with an out we
should be blowing on steep slopes or do
we have city code that says we can't
build in a place like that I also think
of let's say the quarry property were
and I don't know the city code but when
that came up that allows you the city
requires a waiver if you build within 50
percent of the steep slope maybe that's
a code that I think is I am for review
of whether or not that's a good thing or
not or we should look at that type of
code so that's kind of my concern about
environment I think Connie made a good
point I I like the fact that it's more
there's more in there not only in
housing but in the environment to say
more about what's going on and why
you're doing it well so part of it is
you know we started talking I mean it
came up a lot during the conversations
about the green necklace where you know
you're increasing density you're
increasing kind of the urban nature of
the city within this district and so
what's the importance of the environment
in that and I think it's very important
and so it becomes you know the harder
the area gets the more important the
green space has become because you know
now of a sudden you're only access to
maybe something natural is a riparian
corridor and so that becomes super
important because you don't have a green
yard because you live in an apartment
building or maybe a condo if the
liability legislation goes through so so
that that's not what this says and I
think if if really we're gonna look at
this as what is the reason for these
things as being important in central
Issaquah
akin to the housing and if we look at
all of these with that lens then I think
you would redraft the environment piece
to talk about the value of the
environment in an urbanizing setting
because it has a different role than say
up on squak where everybody has a big
forested backyard
right so I think we can look at that and
I you know the tree canopy piece
Steve just to go there is it's a
citywide aspiration which means that
there will be some areas that don't have
51% and then there's other areas that
are a hundred percent because we
preserve them as permanent open space so
it it's it's an overall City calculus
and not a parcel by parcel calculus I
fully agree with it just seems with
right now as of 2006 we're on there 51
percent overall citywide I don't see how
we can take out trees in the center
local plan and stay above 51 percent
that's we plant trees so it's I get your
point and let's take a let's take a
draft at this and we'll bring you guys
back a red line of this section next
time so we get one quick clarification
on the on the summary from Lyndon Shore
yeah the school's piece was that a
recommendation to add schools sections I
mean a statement so this this had many
tentacles well if you don't want to know
so Fulham's hackett so right now if you
went when you get into the sub district
conversations the only one where schools
really comes up is confluence and part
of it is because proximity to Issaquah
Valley and then the future middle school
site and so there was some some dialogue
in that neighborhood description about
that that's one of the assets of that
neighborhood and so part of the
conversation is you know if we're going
to add
you know that the target is another you
know it's 7000 housing units in the
regional growth center you know right
now you can look at Issaquah Highlands
and if you use that as a metric and say
okay you know 4500 housing units
generates the need for two elementary
schools you know you start to say okay
well if you're gonna put 7,000 housing
units in how many elementary schools do
you need and where are you gonna put
them and if your plan doesn't talk about
schools it seems like that's maybe a
missed opportunity so so there was that
whole conversation about do we need to
populate a school conversation in each
of these sub districts to really turn
them into neighborhoods because
everybody wants to have a school in a
neighborhood right I did I grew up next
to my elementary school so so that's
part of it another part was it kind of
it was and I put it on this line but it
started as live-work-play and I think
mr. Morgan brought that up
and it was you know this is this is kind
of a you know this is something that we
all talk about is the expected outcome
for Central Issaquah live live work play
and then you know would you expand it to
include and learn if there's a school
component and so if that is something we
all believe is important to the success
of central Issaquah why doesn't it show
up anywhere in this document and so so
that's why number 3 is here and so as we
start to get into the the sub district
conversations and even as we're into
this main kind of intro section you know
do we need to have some language about
schools and if so then where we're going
to put it so so I'm seeing kind of some
people kind of nod their heads you know
if anybody's got some thoughts that they
want to share then let's kind of put
them on the table because I'm taking
notes from an outline standpoint I think
urban schools plan is actually key to
these neighborhood districts or may and
to break that down with public schools
private schools preschools daycare and
after-school facilities and if the
majority of this is going to be
apartments like I think it's going to be
then there is an additional need for
after-school resources because you've
got a lot of kids running around and
where are we gonna put those kids if we
don't keep them busy they're gonna
become issues so and we don't want that
so that's kind of where I was thinking
we need to make sure we have a schools
component for each neighborhood be able
to handle all those kids living in one
confined areas they are not gonna have
backyards so they're gonna be more
active I think than people who would
live in a house
oh I'm I'm starting to get a little
confused as to whether we are supposed
to be wordsmithing all the component
parts of the vision at this point in
time or or what so one thing I would say
in looking at it we have transportation
which is this big huge Bugaboo and then
we have this little thing called other
essential services all in the same
paragraph it seems like transportation
is a standalone and then in these other
essential services whatever they might
be
that would include schools and those
important components that people need
for their essentials for daily living
right and that that would make sense I'm
not sure I'm a fan of the innovation
well and that's why I was confused are
we going one by one yeah it's a little
bit no no it's a little bit more free
flow than that so if you want to start
on innovation no I don't I don't care
that I'll go back to how about we do
this well or let's finish schools before
we finish environment because we were
actually there and then we popped to
schools so we start with housing the
only thing I wanted to say about
environment was protection is a huge
component and that's totally left out of
the environmental paragraph so what it
says protection of wildlife quarters and
healthy streams are essential to central
Issaquah integrating environmental
features in and wildlife corridors and
healthy streams is not the environment
that's a sub component of the
environment so that would indicate that
you only have to protect those and the
rest you can integrate so in your
verbage the hierarchy of language would
be not what I would prefer
I would consider that well and that's
why I would say too because they're
really on a valley floor and part of the
issues that I have with all the parking
is the wetlands have been destroyed and
so I think in our statements is
realizing that maybe what we want to do
is bring some of it back because we also
have storm water that we need to worry
about which is part of our
infrastructure so you know realizing
it's just not the views - but it's the
valley floor and it's the lake that we
have to also protect as we grow okay one
of the other comments on environment
which i think is where we what we're
talking about right now is that the
wildlife corridors is potentially vague
and I think that it does refer to
riparian areas I'm a I'm a former
wildlife biologist and have worked
professionally in urban settings and so
wildlife corridors could mean more than
that and I recognize that but I think
that for our plan we are referring to
vibrant areas so I would just like to
clarify what we mean by that and it
comes up many times not only in the this
statement but throughout the document I
can help just a smidge with that having
read the parks plan lately the parks
plan has a lot of language on wildlife
corridors in the is it referring to in
the central area wildlife corridors that
are planned wildlife corridors in
general not just in the central area
because the parks plan covers the whole
town and with the wildlife corridors
here you've got to connect to the lake
into the areas where the wildlife are
running through and we have a lot of
deer and bear and cougar that actually
access to the valley floor and so to
help direct them not just along the
narrow streams maybe provide other ways
safe harbors versus going through the
school might be something that we need
to look at across 990 have you know more
things under i-90 where they can go to
so we don't have the Cougar killed like
we did on islands not too long ago so
can you take the environment and
separate it into two sections and the
same thing
two sections and and and put the natural
features and then wildlife separate so
that you have a wonderful statement that
covers creeks and natural views and
stuff and then add a a specific more
condensed more I want to say inclusive
inclusion a inclusive area of the
wildlife so make it broader so that you
have two different distinct things and
don't put them together so I guess I
would say I didn't watch if I could do
that
so for me each paragraph has a certain
level of importance right so by giving
wildlife corridors its own paragraph it
the now is at the same level as
transportation which I think we should
unpack that a little bit and see if the
groups what you're doing now I don't
think I'm actually not it's so right now
environment is one thing and it's like
and I think we can talk about there's
different parts of the environment and
what's the importance of that as part of
a successful urban environment is
important I think if you were to create
the wildlife corridors as its own topic
okay I don't I'm not thinking that at
all I'm just putting more emphasis into
better language for both of them yeah no
absolutely I think we need to we're
gonna rework all of these based on the
conversations I think we're hearing this
evening so okay are you ready for
innovation or did you want to go
somewhere else yes since you asked about
it we've yeah I'd like to finish up
something yeah I like you've included it
but my question having that listed as a
public space and so suggested maybe just
a another section in there that just
says quality of life squadron
by promoting environmental sense
sustainability and just somewhere and
just say adding neighborhood schools as
one of those bullet points within the
paragraph that makes sense
so where did you add that Mel well
there's somewhere in there promoting
environmental sustainability
you could just say adding neighborhood
schools improving architectural design
and grading development and so forth
okay rather than listing it as just a
public space yeah I question if the
schools as you pointed out it's in with
public spaces I question if it should go
under other essential services and split
that out I think that that might make
more sense because also schools our
schools are very important but also at
multiple levels including potentially
private schools I mean our vision I
think means we have after school
facilities as Ron said and all of these
things and so I think that that that
maybe deserves more emphasis and other
essential services section I might be a
that's my suggestion for address I'll
thrown I thought about that same thing
and thinking about somewhere to have it
but to me schools are really critical to
a sense of community so when I thought
about is it just a service we provide or
do schools create sense of community I
would rather it be shown as a under that
category was my I would be fine with
that too I think the point about not
having it with plazas and schools I
think it needs its own emphasis are we
talking about the sense of community
piece right now mm-hmm
it would be interesting to hear with the
parks department but their idea or what
their suggestion would be to add into
that you know so much the social centers
around Parks Recreation you might have a
handle it
be kind of interesting to hear what they
have to say be back how we're meeting
with them tomorrow so we'll have we can
have a conversation with them about that
hi Trish all right next
I vote for transportation for three
points okay should be by itself I heard
with more emphasis on what we're trying
to do in transportation
I'll take buses for four big walking for
sixteen support for pulling
transportation out into its own yes yeah
absolutely
okay and I think also non-motorized I
think that the bicycles and other
options we're getting around to could be
basically if you have transportation by
itself which I support I think then you
can expand a little bit on our vision
for having less car trips and less
single car trips
okay
so Kevin question for you is the pole
transportation out it was an example of
other essential services I already went
there with my head so I'm gonna look to
Trish
tation so should we create a topic of
utilities or leave it as an essential
services I'd recommend leaving it as a
central public because there might be
something new that we haven't even
considered yet that just falls under the
category of things that you need in your
daily life okay so utilities what else
would be considered essential services
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sewer water fire protection fire flow in
your water there's a whole whole rest of
it it's City provides it helps for ride
so you have the criteria essential for
daily living and so when I read that I
read that people have places to get
their prescriptions get their food get
do their things that are required for
daily living and because I think that
sort of point of the central Issaquah
plan is you aren't supposed to have to
hop in your car and drive to you know
two miles away to get everything you
need in a day you should be able to with
without doing that go in and at least
get your espresso in the morning right
so what I think unpacking the idea of
exactly what you mean by essential
services and what it means by your daily
needs is at least a conversation to have
so that it can can be clear what we're
aiming for in that because that's sort
of I always read it
because I know that's a goal for the
central Issaquah plan you get there and
if that isn't the sentence that does
that I think we need a sentence that
that gets us to that success I'll
support that because part of I consider
essential services is a small market I
mean that you can go down if you have a
smaller place you're not going to have a
great big freezer refrigerator so be
able to go down and get your your
groceries locally without having to get
in your car and not having to store you
know a whole pallet of toilet tissue in
your apartment
this might be the first time I'm this
one's gonna I some a this might be the
first time I've disagreed with Connie on
something just I don't think we're
supposed to have a I know I kind of like
it I don't think this this is about
having a store in every neighborhood or
every sub area I don't think he not
economically you can you can have nine
to FCS or nine safe ways or anything
else I think at some point it's not
about the I the daily living of where I
buy my toilet paper where I buy my
steaks or wherever else I think it's
more essential services than it is
having a grocery store in your
neighborhood it's not as much the
economic vitality of development as much
as the grander scale of where we're
going as a city that's me I think that
as the vision it doesn't actually
mandate that we have every component in
it just is that this is our vision and
that our vision is that we have the
essential services in the central area
and so you don't need to drive the
Bellevue for example to get your you
know prescription or whatever it is that
we do have everything that people need
for their day-to-day in the central area
but not necessarily within a you know
within each neighborhood and I think
that I think that it's fine because it's
called out here as the daily services in
the section that is general for the
whole plan anybody else
okay anything else in the guiding
principles you haven't talked about
innovation yet
what are you get it are you gonna get
they're trying to keep me to go in a
sensible order I'm trying to get you to
the end you noticed that right I think
innovation this is not innovation to me
if we're going to be in an innovative
town you're looking at different ways of
creating energy and different ways of
building and yes there's some
partnerships that you might be able to
get at but it's sort of staying on the
cutting edge of the right way to develop
an urban city and this does not this
this does not get me to that and that
it's redundant private partnerships to
help the community achieve the central
is a quad vision and this is part of the
vision and so now you've just gone
around to I don't know what success is
there so I would probably just get rid
of that as a goal unless somebody can
figure out some way to be able to figure
out how to make that successful I think
this is what the city should be doing
and does all the time so innovative
essential services all right thank you I
think that's something that we think is
innovative we're trying to do the pilot
project
in central by the transit station with
housing with affordable housing with
multifamily tax and as a pilot to me
that's sort of the innovative and
innovative piece we're trying all these
different things right there in the
middle of Central right by the
transportation you can expand that a
little bit
for example cross laminated timber is a
new building material that enables all
kinds of new new applications but we've
not had a building in a superb iLET with
that before and so what is the
permitting process if you even wanted to
use cross laminated timber so thinking
about things like that and then we I
think somebody around here talked about
micro housing units that's another
innovative approach to housing it's a
product that our community doesn't offer
right now and there may be some demand
for that and so I think there is room
for innovation but or innovative
innovation I get that that just talks
about how to get more building done and
I think you need to expand it to
technology and things besides that to
help the city itself so can I take a
pulse of the group keep innovation or
dump it so keep it but just work it a
little harder all right we'll try and
keep it and working a little harder
tomorrow by next meeting by working it a
little harder that means expanding it so
that it can and identify different
different pool of things you can do that
are you okay yeah it's how Dave's gonna
talk okay well it took you an hour and I
have to get to the mic
so if you if you're you dub graduate and
you get the call in this magazine
there's an excellent article in there
about it and it's it's really something
what ya be doing it it has a lot of
unfortunately we don't have a Western
Washington mill it could be a while
before we do but it really is important
to the that our long term timber
industry and in those jobs and just the
whole thing that's just the right thing
to do good and you know innovation is
something that should be in all these
categories so that's and it's kind of
the the rental ownership of condos or
multifamily kinds of things I got the
impression not too many people have been
landlords because it's it is a difficult
job to be a landlord and I'm sure people
would love to be building condominiums
and hope we get more and then the
emphasis on school my daughter teaches
on Broad Street the Broad Street has
associated with Wall Street in public
high school and 11th 12th and 13th floor
building and the urban schools is
something we're going to have to have
and obviously you don't have a your your
fields and some of those kinds of things
but we're good meat we're closer than
some that I think we really have to
think about schools and there's a lot of
frustration in the community of that
we've been behind on getting school
sites and that really has to come
earlier in the process as the
affordability for one thing and just if
you want to get families you want to get
kids and all the rest in there you've
got to have a reasonable school thing
and people come to this areas we know
for schools and we want that to continue
I guess if they're coming we want them
to have an interest in schools and that
they think schools are important
okay thank you sorry okay
those are my okay whoo all right
second section the need for change so so
part of this is you know I think as we
talked about this and then we'll get
into the conversation from Landon Shore
so the reason why we included this
section was we felt like it was
important to kind of document why the
vision changed you know after like five
years it's been five years Trish thank
you so so this was you know so so there
was you know a few paragraphs in here
about why there was a need for change
the comments that came out of Landon
Shore I don't think they completely
bought into the need the need for the
need for change and so part of it is a
conversation with us is this is this is
this just extra words or is there some
value to this that's worth keeping you
know I think a recommendation from
councilmember Goodman was maybe there's
just a sentence that says you know in
2018 the visions were updated following
the you know the first few projects that
were built and and it doesn't
necessarily need to be more than that so
so this is kind of open field let's talk
about whether there's value to leaving
this in or whether we strip it out and
don't talk about it ever again I don't
think it needs to be in there
this is a vision a vision plan and I
don't need to know why somebody did
something before I agree I think it can
be removed and I think then we have a
stronger starting to our vision but I do
agree to continue on what what I was
saying before we do have to have a
paragraph or some something in the
beginning to say what why we're doing
this we also have a section called reset
so that one's next so there is a
paragraph on reset you know maybe if if
we need to do we can pull some of the
stuff from need for change into the
reset paragraph is kind of Appendix
items yeah well we don't really have an
appendix I mean I think the reality some
people may want to know why we've made
changes and other people just want to
read the division that we have move
forward so my thought on on the reset
was it seems odd to have a reset without
the need for change so I mean it flows
now need need for change and then reset
and then here's what we're doing right
yeah
so it tells a story it tells right I'll
call this a story yeah that's right yeah
so maybe if the need for change is going
away
maybe we just removed the heading reset
and I mean I think the information is
important but it seems a little bit
disjunct and without that it doesn't
flow as well and then you go into the
division into district visions so I
guess that's just my thought is maybe if
the need for change goes away either the
reset also goes away or maybe there's
just like I think a recommendation
was a couple of sentences to transition
from the vision into the beams Connie I
disagree again I've been doing this for
20 years and if you don't say that you
have made something better because you
failed in the past you're gonna do it
again
so you darn well better say that you had
a problem this was the problem and this
was the pathway we took to fix it and
this is how we made it better because in
10 years none of us may be at the table
and somebody might do what we already
did that didn't work again I think it's
always wise to show that we started with
something and now we've adjusted and
we're trying something new and that also
sets the pathway knowing that we're
gonna have to probably adjust it again
because of nothing nothing is is ever
perfect right and so if you don't create
that pathway for the people who were in
your seats in ten years it's like
starting all over again so we have to
show how we've learned and I need it
there yes you need it there because
that's setting this stage for the new
code at the very beginning you say you
know we had this thing and now we
changed it and and this is our better
product and that gives people the sense
that okay we started out with something
now now they'll ask well what was it
exactly that didn't work before and you
can have a conversation and make a
better decision the next time when you
have context because otherwise no one
will ever read it they may not ever read
it now even though it's at the beginning
because people hate to read they're just
going to go to the cool-looking tables
because they're colorful I agree I mean
I I agree now
okay I agree the thing though that I
didn't like about the reset was that it
called out just the six moratorium items
when my sense is that there's a lot of
other things folks think are needed as
part of this revision and we're not
limiting to this vision to just a six
things were looking at building this
vision on is why they want to build and
create it's not just based on the
secretory items specifically its
building the better Issaquah that we
want
I'm in favor of councilmember Goodman's
suggestion which was to include a very
abbreviated version of this is it was
changed this date and one sense of why
and maybe a few because it has had a few
iterations so there would be a few and
then it would be a few sentences it was
changed on this date this is why I was
changed on this date this is why but I
think that people I think that it's
important to document it but I don't
think that it warrants this much
documentation I think that the vision
guiding principles are are very
important and to give this much space at
the very beginning to this process I
think is not warranted
well we have two very different opinions
everybody talk at once you're on yeah I
mean I think I've already said it I
basically agree I think that having a
mention of the process is good but maybe
not this much mentioned and I as I said
before I think I'm assuming now we're
talking about a need for change and
reset as altogether because I think you
can't really have one without the other
so I would just collapse that into
something more discreet well if we're
talking about a new vision and we need
to tell them why maybe we need to
restructure the order it's posted in
that it should start saying here's what
the problem was yeah that's a you're
saying yeah here's the problem was we
looked at it we reset it we got these
district visions and then you then you
put your vision now here's the vision
and all the stuff that's behind what's
printed on this first page they reverse
the order I just think it's disjointed
the way it is I mean you have this great
vision statement and then then you stop
and and you don't continue I think it
needs to be in the front why you did it
why you're doing it if you want to put
it in there at all that's my thought
you're talking about as a professor yeah
it just doesn't work for me
that where's it is you know so if you
order it above the plan vision like in a
italicized text or some something that
looks like it's an introduction and
definitely different as a preface I
think that would be in a very very
attractive thing for people to read and
and that would be good if it is a simple
paragraph that that
looks like it's a part of the main
document I think people would just skip
past it so as long as it is highlighted
in some way I don't have a problem with
it being before everything as long as
it's a appealing and attractive you have
a lot of components fighting each other
for what people would read but yeah as a
in a box with a blinking arrow to it
[Laughter]
there's been some suggestions for
reorganizing this piece and potentially
condensing it a bit so so let's do that
and we'll look at it in two weeks and
see if we think it looks better or not I
think I got the gist of what you guys
wanted to do with that I think also it
it needs to include more of the original
motivations that we discussed for the
whole vision not just the need for the
changes right so I think you should
start with that and then at this and
then go into the vision that you've got
it yeah the background for the whole
yeess is I think very important and then
maybe some condense all right well let
me look at that because remember this is
like this is like a chapter out of a
novel right there's the rest of the
novel and then there's this chapter and
we were gonna like pull the chapter out
play with it and stick it back in and
have it still work with the rest of the
the plan right and so that introduction
is in the rest of the plan it's in
another chapter and so let's look at
what that looks like to potentially more
connected in with divisions and and
we'll see what that looks like so no
promises but we'll definitely do that
exercise and go through that before the
next meeting it's too condensed and all
losses impact
people ten years ago I won't have our
expertise and so they're like what do
they mean by that don't have enough
explain that's right it's cuz they're
all addicted to social media on there
all right I'm gonna roll on given where
we are with time so so that was actually
six on this list so now I think we are
to page unless somebody wants to talk
about this section on page 2 which is
district visions community conversation
or the fresh look you guys want because
that seems odd now idly placed without
the change in reset nice so you so you
think it's it's flying with the up to
this box with the flashy arrow at the
beginning I'm not sure it's it's pretty
hefty it is pretty hefty okay I like it
though because it's processed but that's
just me showing all the outreach we did
right that might just be me what what if
you left it where it was but also
treated it the same as the introduction
for the regular vision because this is
the inner it's a little introductory
piece for the district visions as
compared to the overarching vision okay
so a littler box with eyes well I'm just
saying if you if you're if you're
creating a document and you have
symmetry right so you have your little
introductory thing before your
overarching city vision and then this is
the update there then it might be
expected that there would be an update
to the district vision similar to the
overarching vision and so I think if you
were reading
that might make sense we updated the big
vision and this is the process to update
the small vision okay we can look at
that I agree it kind of floats weirdly
without the other pieces so we'll see if
it finds a better home alright so the
next piece is so now we're into some
serious substance so what we tried to do
was we tried to create kind of four
buckets that would be somewhat common to
each neighborhood okay and I think this
this really didn't work for Landon Shore
you know at least that was my take you
know there was a there was some
confusion about whether these things had
to happen in each sub district or
whether they would be some of these
things would happen in in each district
there was definitely a lot of
conversation about sustainable and
whether this last box really was
sustainability or whether it was
something else you know I I think it is
very environmentally focused but there's
also some pieces that are not
environment so I was not quite on board
with that comment so we need to talk
about this so this was a this was an
organizational strategy I think it was a
way to try and make sure that when we
get to each sub district that we would
think about the same kind of things as
far as what would success be and so it
was kind of like an organizing element
for me and so for me there's value here
because when you get to then each sub
district you can go back and see if
these bullet points are there we're not
and so but if nobody else does feeling
that I guess the question is is what's
the value of this so we organized each
neighborhood
similarly with these kind of four
buckets in terms of different things
within each neighborhood and I think
we're to the point of talking whether
that works or not I actually like this
list I do think there are pieces in
there that don't belong in the category
of you have them and but I actually do
this is this says specifics to me so
what does livable mean and I think that
there's we should talk about the this
and this should connect division the the
overall vision that aspirational vision
because there's a lot in here that
actually goes to that vision so I
actually like the having this this list
Oh blank space so in landing chore there
was a conversation about definitions yep
and I've expressed the same concern I
don't know what livable means and just
having that number of bullet points
underneath it seems too tight I would
like a brief definition of what livable
is what distinctive would mean what
connected is and what sustainable would
mean in the context of this chart and
that way I could sort of extrapolate
other bullet points that would fit into
the category because right now I would
be guessing wildly because I don't
really know how you're defining those
words and even if they were just
dictionary definitions I don't know but
some definition because these are not
the only things that are going to be
pertinent
[Applause]
okay so I have a theory if you instead
of using these if you used your vision
had header topics could you use those
vision header topics to create this
chart the ones that we just went through
that we didn't agree with the innovative
environment transportation is there any
way to feed those again into this system
so that it would all be linked I think
there's a lot of them so it seems really
awkward but I thought I would at least
pitch it to see if there was a potential
I think that's an interesting idea I
think that it's very helpful to have
buckets my concern about these buckets
though is that for example
transportation is in obviously it's in
connected but it also appears in livable
and then it appears in sustainable just
in different forms so that was my
concern and then to build on the last
comment from Connie I think maybe one
way to approach this would be to say
would be to use these I think they're I
think they are okay but I think that
there's so much overlap that it makes it
difficult to actually use these as as
buckets when there is that overlap so
maybe some some looking at how the
guiding principles fit in and trying to
separate them out so that there is more
distinction between the different the
different buckets so does transportation
go and connect it and then just leave it
and connect it and everything having to
do with transportation then goes in that
connected bucket for example
this is where it's easier to start over
again I was gonna say we're back to the
structure and discussion well I mean I
agree I think what what I'm hearing is
well I'm not quite ready to get rid of
the of the four but I do think having
you know better connection between I
mean I think probably the some of the
confusion that landed short and others
have had is that you know we just go
through this list and we have the you
know seven or eight or whatever it is in
the vision and then we sort of change
the language a little bit start talking
about these things so I mean one way
would be to do what Connie suggested
which would be to carry those you know
the key words from the vision statements
through everything or if we want to put
it in simpler buckets like this maybe we
getting back to the visual there the
aesthetic of it I mean maybe we every
time one of those words shows up you
know it's bolded or italicized or
something and that would do two things
it would draw people's attention to it
show them where those statements show up
in here and also would give us just a
quick check on if we actually cover
everything that we said we were going to
and is there a pretty equal
representation and maybe we need fewer
or more buckets I mean I like my I think
my organizing mind likes the you know
the colors and the boxes and and
carrying it through to the different
neighborhoods I like the way that shows
up so I don't I don't know if I've given
a definitive recommendation except to
say that I like the organization of it I
would like to see better connectivity
between the vision statements and what's
here so so couple pieces one is you know
so I think I don't disagree that a
definition or some sort of description
maybe I like description better the
definition is a value in that it then
allows you to extrapolate so I think
there's some value to that and so we can
try and see what that looks like
connecting it to the guiding principles
I think also makes sense for me and I'm
not sure how to do
yeah but I think you know there
definitely needs to be some threads
going back and forth because otherwise
you're right you turn the page and it's
like hey whose plan is this it's
completely different than the last one
right I don't know that I am enamored
with trying to create a bucket for each
guiding principle because that seems
like a lot of kittens to try and keep
track of the one thing I don't know I
don't disagree with your comment Viki
what I don't know is and I need to think
about that more so I'm just being honest
so I get the fact that there's like
mobility pieces you know in other things
than connected because in my mind like
for example you know providing options
for daily needs without the use of a
private vehicle that is a transportation
thing but it's very much a
sustainability thing it's that it's the
idea that you know you can just walk to
go get a groceries or whatever the case
is and so I'm gonna PI need to think
about that one a little bit more to see
if they can be more contained because
obviously I didn't think that initially
which is why there is spill or spillage
of the particular guiding principles in
different buckets on this page so I
think that for me I mean you could even
make the argument that being connected
as part of being liveable you know so I
think that the value of the buckets is
that they they allow us to put things in
sections and organize our thoughts and
give some predictability to the way the
document is laid out and so to me my
issue with having very similar to me
anyway very similar statements in the
different buckets as then you
that value of of saying well if I want
to know about the transportation in this
neighborhood I'd go to the connected
section because it could be in the
livable or it could be in the
distinctive if it's distinctive or it
could be in the sustainable because it
also it so I think that it the I think
that there will be some judgment calls
to decide where we put things but for me
for the predictability of the document
it is really important that we don't
have so much double counting okay I
really like this page a lot and I think
in some ways we're pretty deep into the
weeds because we are working deep in the
weeds in all of this and from the
public's perspective that when they come
to look at this when I look at it from
somebody that that is that in the public
and I look at this to me I read these
things and I think these are all great
things I'd love to have all these things
in central Issaquah throughout the whole
city if they do overlap I maybe it's not
too bad because it reinforces the
importance of some of those things and
why we might have them if I was somebody
from that side and I looked at all this
I'd say this is great I like the order
as Troy said it kind of helps sort of
lock things out and so forth but the
bullet points they might be redundant
with the visions but I think it's a
great statement I I really like this I'd
want to keep this in I like that it's
organized for me and things aren't
always just in one box so it makes sense
to have haven't called out in other
boxes for me but if you like the words
after you create a description of what
each one of these words mean in in a
piece of paper like this it would be
nice to take those four words and put it
in the upper echelon statement that
these are the four things that we're
going to talk
and have them in bold and then you can
put them associate them with each one of
these boxes I think that would make a
lot of sense to me I may be saying what
John just said slightly differently
maybe your definitions in each of those
boxes could be your guiding principles
so that then livable you would allocate
the guiding principles in the in each of
those boxes and your guiding principles
then would be creating the broader
definition for what you're talking about
and that would allow you to consolidate
it into four from too many guiding
principles so I'm not so have you said
so okay it sounds wonderful way I have I
have one more thing about these
particular buckets I think that I can
economic statements the economic
vitality are particularly it's
particularly hard for me to know for
example if I wanted to know about the
economic vitality vision I think it
would be particularly hard to know where
which bucket that goes into from this
yes if you were to take this sheet of
paper and cut it all into strips so
every bullet is a separate strip of
paper mix them all up and give the
people the four feels they wouldn't
necessarily all let you told them they
had to have exactly the same you know
seven in each one or whatever it is
I think we'd see a whole different mix
and you see on here and each person
would have a little different mix
they're all great things but I want to
move bunch them around affinity diagram
infinity like the fourth grade and I say
I think some of those if I were to put
distribute I might most probably have I
wouldn't be exactly an even number in
each one some livability would take a
whole bunch of we can add based on what
we talked about in the guiding principle
so I guess we go back to structure we've
all agreed originally that the trust
structure was fine so this is the
structure I think does anybody really
have it now that they look through
everything have any problem with it okay
so we're going to keep this yes I like
the colors yeah hey count I don't know
if I picked those colors here a lot of
colors so with that are we gonna delve
into what's in here more specifically or
is that going to be for the next time so
like I think we landed on the vision
statement I mean I think if you guys
want to either reorganize David or
reword some of these things for clarity
I'm gonna do some work on them as well
by providing either a definition or
description and trying to make some
connections to the guiding principles
and so we'll we can
kind of bring ideas maybe to the next
meeting so if you guys don't mind doing
a little homework I'd say let's leave
y'all to do some and come back next time
and pick it up then can I make a
suggestion Keith yeah so for each one of
the pages for each one of the four if
you guys can go back and look at the
actions so terms like work with work
with is is very soft you know put his
work with me now call them you know
every once a week doesn't mean I just
talked to them once what does that mean
and so it has to be it has to have some
kind of outcome to it so if if you guys
could go through all of those in the
develop obligations and the city
implementing actions and make them
actionable and actionable with actual
outcomes that would be helpful and in
measures of success actual metrics so
what a safety mean does it mean you know
if somebody's running across the street
five out of ten times somebody gets hit
is that good
you know what does that mean so you know
if for all five pay off all four pages
if if you can make it so that we
actually know what it looks like what
the outcome looks like and how you're
gonna measure it that would be helpful
okay okay so now now we're to the
squishiest piece alright so I'm gonna go
back to the first page so okay here's
the thing so we put this very schematic
into our draft as just something to
start a conversation really this
documents in the plan now and this is
the one that Lindsay kind of pointed to
I think it was at Landon Shore this
document here this as far as we
understand although our meeting is with
Parks Department tomorrow which is less
helpful than if it was today this I
believe is the graphic that's coming out
as part of the park plan so the
conversation that Trish and Kristen and
I are having with the park Department
tomorrow is green necklace is is there a
green necklace in here so that we're all
consistently looking and calling things
the same you know what I can tell you
from the conversations I've heard with
the park director you know one of the
biggest pieces of the park plan is what
they call this green spine that runs
north-south from basically Valley
Park at the south end up to Lake
Sammamish at the north end and trying to
make sure that there's a green
connection all the way through the city
so that's one of their biggest things in
a north-south direction an east-west
direction this thing and I swear I had a
nightmare about a snake and I think this
is the only thing that's a snake like
that I've seen in a lot in a long time
so so this is the mounds to sound trail
so this is a regional trail that
connects all the way through Issaquah
goes through Bellevue and the reason why
it's kind of fat in the middle it's not
because it's swallowed a mouse it's
because they're not exactly sure
the alignment and the exact location as
it runs through the middle of the city
we're clear on the west end and the east
end but the middle there's still some
variability so so you know they've got
these kind of two linear components to
this plan and there's some nodes and
actually if you start to look at the
nodes here and look at some of the nodes
on our plan they're actually fairly
similar and you can start to actually
get some similarities between those and
you know one of the comments about this
diagram before was well it doesn't
represent basically all the other trails
and connectivity that's happening in a
non-motorized way through our city and
so I am here to tell you today I don't
know what the answer is to this one I
think you guys all liked having another
diagram in the visions because the green
necklace was such an important component
for the overall success of central
Issaquah you know we kind of went
through a little bit of a conversation
about does it make sense to actually
have an image so that when we say green
necklace because right now the problem
was we were saying green necklace and
everybody's like I don't even know what
that looks like in my head right and so
it was like okay we need that's a
problem we need to be able to visualize
it for people in theory and that's what
we try to do so now I've got these three
images
none of them overly look the same I
think even if you put them all together
I'm not sure you have something that is
necessarily understandable so I don't
know what to do with this and I'm just
gonna be honest about that piece right
now and so any any conversation you all
want to have I am all yours what do we
think of green necklace I think of
something that I do not have to compete
with a vehicle whether I'm a pedestrian
or cyclist
I don't want cars and a lot of people
who
who live in the city feel like cars
represent a safety issue and so that
would keep them from getting on a
bicycle or keep them from actually
walking down pathway if they have to
compete with cars
and if we're gonna have 7,000 people
living within a smaller area then
they're gonna need that leisure outlet
so getting them feeling like they're in
a riparian corridor of sorts the green
that close so when I look at the map
down below I see a lot of streets that I
would have to compete with but I don't
actually see green trails and maybe it's
because they don't all exist yet and I
understand but where are those and maybe
highlighting those and a different color
than the others and now if you could
walk me through that I know you talked
about the green necklace but a necklace
you know it'd be just a distinction it
doesn't have to be a circle it doesn't
have to just has to be connected to all
the different areas so I mean I would
like a separate page with everything we
have and how it could possibly be
connected it doesn't have to be a circle
it doesn't have to and it doesn't have
to be perfect it doesn't have to be
what's going to end up but it's just a
general idea of what we hope to get but
we can have spokes as long as it's
connected and that's the main goal of
this is to be connected
otherwise I don't know how you're going
to get a a circle I mean I'm sorry think
of circles figuratively but Alou where
people could walk around the entire
thing if they want to we're not that big
of a city and so that's only four or
five miles people will do that right it
would be a great running path to I think
I think that our plan should definitely
reflect the parks plan and I think that
that has a lot of detail that is good so
I would support including that because
that's where they want to go and this
green necklace is about parks so I think
we should align our vision with their
vision for the parks I I still think
that the circle version is too
cartoonish and I I would I think that
it's nice to show where we want to have
connections so I would advocate for that
but I would like to see it more in the
style of the parks and so maybe some
integration of where we want to go in
addition to what they're the where
they're actually are these mountains of
sound trails that are outlined there and
kind of mesh with that style that would
be my suggestion but I again also really
appreciate having a visual in there and
I think that's super important because
otherwise it's very difficult to know
what we're talking about okay that after
years and years and years talking about
the grid
hates ace but how about if we call it
the green Network and get away from the
necklace idea and then we don't have to
do the circle and everything because I
think that's the whole key the idea for
a potential resident downtown is the
idea can I look at a map like a park map
and see look at all the different places
I can go by walking or by bike that are
all connected to parks trails all that
that's what I think we really want to
get across to people and it's a network
that I can go through not just a
necklace that goes around something so
and I would suggest perhaps one full
page of what we have currently that
everything is just in green and it's
public spaces parks and in pathways and
bike routes and then another page that
is what we think it's going to be in 10
or 20 years whatever the parks
department is aspirational to for the
future vision is the real benefit I
think is seen a full page of like the
bottom left there when we start to see
all the the green land we have in
Connexions already it starts to look
really attractive so that would be my
suggestion I really like that idea it's
spot on I couldn't have said it better
though the original task force that came
up with the idea is now content to make
a little change and I like the idea I
like network better than that list
anyway so that's this is the part I
guess where I to have the greatest
heartburn or heartache about I agree it
I don't think was ever designed to be a
circle per se it was designed to get
from one point of the city and natural
beauty to another so network seems to be
more encompassing of that the thing
about green necklace though were talks
about the necklaces the jewels and the
natural beauty not just open space
connections but it's talking about
retaining that natural beauty and the
context
environment that we're in and we're just
talk about our network I don't think
we're talking about that natural beauty
that's part of Issaquah so I want to it
seems like I'm still stuck maybe on this
idea of the natural beauty of Issaquah
retaining that and we're losing
something in going from an environment
what we talked about the environment to
just agreeing that work how do we
incorporate or ensure that we have that
natural beauty that is akua's known for
not just certainly in our city but we
change some of that natural beauty
inside CIP that needs to be retained how
do you I don't know I don't know how we
get it and I think we fact what the
verbage in the words needing to retain
that not just as a green network or a
green necklace but what that what those
jewels look like that we talk about we
need to retain it not just walk squawk
Mountain to the different I don't know
how you get in a picture a circle like
that unless you go and you take this
Park if you go down this road this road
over here and you're fine so that you
can actually get around and make it a
circle so I don't know how you do that I
don't think it was ever meant to be a
circle i sir if I wasn't clone that it
was meant though to retain the natural
beauty that we have were known for in
Issaquah I think that's what I
envisioned is that this was the
mechanism by which we would retain that
natural beauty and I think talking about
just as a network doesn't say that we
want to retain any of that natural
beauty in the valley floor a 1 encompass
ensure that we retain that natural
beauty as well as having a network that
allows us to get to different Nash's
okay me I don't know when the last time
you'll read the central Issaquah plan
was but we are supposed to have verdant
landscaping along all of our Street
scapes that are going to be now our our
green areas that are occupied by
concrete and more density and that was a
requirement of the environmental impact
statement to create the central Issaquah
plan
so the street scapes are supposed to be
equally green and accommodating for a
for for walking in Bellevue the parks
department is responsible for their
streetscape landscaping to ensure that
their new urbanity is connected with the
green the map is not the only piece that
is just a visual the language then that
defines what a green network is which I
like would say that this is the the
labyrinth or the tissue that gets you
from park to place to amazing spot in
Issaquah so you can incorporate that
within the language and you can also use
your walking Network and then overlay or
underlay your parks and trails so that
in the end you can see how the whole
system works but then you could peel it
apart and also see the individual
components of the parks the street
network and the trails and all together
they create the green network and I
think you can do that with the series of
three different maps maybe four and
language and I think that that would be
much clearer to get us to the and result
one last thing mountains to sound
Greenway does not have to have only one
trail through Issaquah it could be on
either side of the freeway which makes a
lot of sense
yeah I guess this this map that Park
Department has is pretty interesting it
shows it's it's stress is kind of
connecting from the existing city to all
the things around it there's not as many
internal connections which is so that
part of it is not emphasized here and
there's islands such as your hillside
Park that has nothing it's there and not
connected to anything which drives funny
nuts but there's you know there's the
point about the mountain South Greenway
Trail certainly we would like to see it
connect to the state park but it also
should come through the central Issaquah
plan and it can merge then over on the
north side of i-90 at the Issaquah
Preston trail but yeah there's going to
be more than there's gonna be more than
one route that on that that'll be
obvious to the people wanting to go to
different places and connect to the
state park or connect to or the mountain
type ends I think network is perfect I
think that's what we're after we're
looking at to be as green as possible
and much more connected in the central
area then it shows there which gets more
down to some of these kinds of trails at
the bottom left I think we're I think
we're getting getting this a lot better
an understanding by calling Network we
understand better what we're trying to
do with this
[Laughter]
anything else I think that is that's as
far as we wanted to get tonight so does
that give you enough to start creating
some oh yeah Maps
oh yeah so what I'm gonna try and do is
and so for Althea's come in earlier I
will dive into the first sub two sub
districts just you know that was the
plan so I will go back into this first
section which we called the story we
will update words put some photos in I
agree with that Vicki I think that would
be that was an earlier comment that we
just hadn't had a chance to get to yet
and also start to work on some of the
restructuring and edits that we talked
about tonight
so that'll show up as red line I'll then
we'll also go into the first two
neighborhoods and start to work on the
word smithing a little bit in advance of
our next meetings so that if we get
through this we review the rearview
mirror and actually have some time to
get into the neighborhoods we'll have
we'll have something to actually talk
about that'll be a little bit more
productive just based on the length of
time it took us to get through this we
may need more than two more meetings so
just putting that on your plate and to
recap there are three items of homework
that I'll be sending out tomorrow to all
of you the first is to redline the
vision to wordsmith it and give us
suggestions the second one is the intro
that includes the mountains to sound and
the cascade agenda just to send that out
to everybody and if there's something
you have issues with or that you'd like
to recapture or reorganize or whatever
but just so that you remind yourselves
what the whole central plan is all about
and the third one is to send you the
boxes to see if you would reorganize the
items in the boxes or if there's
anything that you would want
do with the boxes and there any don't
email everybody
no no just either do them yourselves and
bring them yeah or if you really can't
wait you can send them to us early but
just send them to staff don't send him
I'm saying and when she says staff just
sent him to Trish you're gonna send out
something through email yes I'm sending
out three homework assignments that I
just mentioned okay in our goal I'll do
that tomorrow and and our goal will be
to get you guys something at least a
week in advance of the next visions
meeting whenever that may be 25th the
25th your other special meeting because
they're all special I know but the
special meeting my email due today it's
the 24th which is a Wednesday and that's
on the wireless communications public
hearing
that's one Dominic just sent oh yeah
but I sent it as soon as we got a quorum
I sent you all that that was tough
because I know I'd been asking you about
many of the times we finally got a
quorum so thank you all for all the
pesky emails I've been sending sounds
like I might need to find some more
meeting times but we have tons of time
I'm sorry to potentially slightly delay
but did we so number nine it was there
was one more point from Landon short and
I just want to make sure that we may be
briefly address it or just consider that
it's been addressed because I think
otherwise we won't ever get to it in the
in the individual parts so so I think
this one this one for me is somewhat
hinge to the conversation that we need
to have on whether or not the visions
are kind of regulatory or whether
they're really just aspirational they're
separate code okay so we discussed that
it
meeting up yeah well depending on what
the timing looks like you know this
conversation about the intro might be
another hole meeting which then we can
talk about that piece as part of that so
let's look and see what this looks like
next but we need to dial that up so I
didn't forget about it but it depends I
think is the answer okay thank you I
just wanted to make sure that we weren't
closing out this and then because that I
think is important yeah anything else
for the good of the order I will see
some of you back here tomorrow night to
talk about and the docket and the comp
plan guys no vision still necks really
okay and the task force in the public
are welcome tomorrow in case you're
interested in those topics or anybody
else a wide variety of area that we have
here in this info but I do want to thank
you all for I think that we made some
good progress I think it's going to be a
lot better and I think the council will
be a lot happier from from what we did
so thank you all and with that I'll
close the meeting at 9:02 thank you
you