You don't have an agenda? Good
evening, ladies and gentlemen, and our viewing at home public.
Tonight's meeting of the Planning Policy Commission will come to order at 636.
First item of business is approval of minutes.
From the April 28th meeting. Are there any
additions or corrections to the minutes?
Hearing none, our motion to accept the minutes. Also move. Second. Second.
Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. You guys all in favor? Aye. Aye.
That's what I like to hear. We weren't here, but
yeah. We're
welcoming new members. tonight as well. And tonight in, I gotta get the names
right, we have Saleem Juma, is that the correct pronunciation? Yes.
And he's an alternate. We have Troy Ramming, we have John Staub,
and Ron Fall. Thank you for joining us. And
pretty soon you'll get to elect somebody else maybe to do the chair, next April.
When I did did Joan and I win again? When did we
vote? So
tonight's item of business you ready to go we have the ever exciting
TIP presentation Sheldon Lund Sheldon you want to
face the wrath of the Commission?
Somebody turn the mic on for me. Thank you. As Carl mentioned, my name is
Sheldon Lynn. I'm the director for Public Works Engineering. And I'm here tonight to talk
about and inform the commission of the Transportation Improvement Plan.
As part of the presentation, I'm going to go through a little bit of introductions.
I'm going to give you a little bit about the background and process, what goes
into it as far as planning, things of that sort. and finally get to the
actual transportation improvement plan. So with that,
I'm going to get started. How does that sound? So what is the TIP?
Why do we do it? And what's the process? The TIP
is a document, it's a planning document for transportation projects that
is required by the state of Washington under the RCWs each city and county must
plan for the future and provide information to the state
for purposes of creating a list of projects that is eligible for federal and state
funding. In the RCW, it specifically states that the purpose is to
assure that each city and town perpetually shall have available advanced plans looking to the
future for not less than six years as a guide in carrying out a coordinated
transportation plan. The idea is that the state and the regional growth organizations and so
forth are coordinating their transportation efforts here. That way, they're ensuring that the
needs are met for the greater region as well as locally, we're planning for ourselves.
As I mentioned earlier, this is a list of projects that creates
eligibility for funding, for outside funding sources for the city. One other thing to note
about the TIP is that this list while it does show projections and
expenditures in different years and things like that it is not a prioritized list of
projects prioritization actually occurs by the city council as the city council evaluates
the capital facilities plan and then ultimately the ultimate prioritization comes when the city
council adopts its budget for the projects so the projects
here are not prioritized the process for
this year is that we've already introduced the schedule to the
infrastructure committee back in April. Tonight I'm here. On May 19th, I'll be
presenting this TIP to the Chamber Government Affairs Committee and then again in more detail
at the Council Infrastructure Committee that evening on May 19th. Following that, the
City Council will have a public hearing on June 20th in which they may adopt
it at that time or hopefully not too distant in the future, adopt the
transportation improvement plan. The city is required to have the transportation improvement plan
to the state of Washington by the end of July of each year. So we
need to have it approved by the council before we can submit it.
The TIP, the planning efforts that go into it, what feeds into the TIP projects?
How do we come up with this list?
Part of the planning efforts that go into this list are the land use plans.
What do the city's comprehensive plans say we need for transportation infrastructure, what's the growth
that's anticipated, and things like that. The city recently went through the Central Issaquah Plan,
which was adopted a couple of years ago. That is one of the major factors
that has gone into this. Other factors include just normal growth through the rest of
the community, as well as the urban villages like Tallis, Highlands, I even
incidental infill growth that occurs in South Cove, Greenwood Point,
Montreux, Lakemont areas. You know, there's growth everywhere, but certainly different areas affect it
more than others. Secondly, we have the walk and roll plan
where the community got together and established a vision for how it wants the community
to be able to walk and ride throughout the community. the projects that were
identified in that effort were also incorporated where appropriate in the transportation
improvement plan. Then we have some
information coming in from outside now. We have WSDOT. WSDOT a number of years ago
did the I-90 corridor study in which they've identified some improvements along I-90 that are
needed. Front Street Interchange, It needs to be improved for
capacity. And so we have to be thinking about what are other agencies
doing that affect what we're doing so we're not double spending, so to speak.
And we're planning sequentially our projects in a reasonable time frame so that
we understand what's going to happen here, so we design appropriately and build over here.
And then also, just A thing to note is that not only do we pay
attention and coordinate with WSDOT, but we coordinate with Sound Transit, King County,
City of Sammamish, so that when we understand what's going on with these
agencies, again, we can better plan for our needs as well and coordinate and
collaborate with other agencies to solve transportation issues.
The TIP itself is a list of 45 projects shown here on the screen.
I'm not going to bore you with going through each one of these projects on
this list like this. But what I will do is I will highlight the projects
that are shown to have funding expected to be spending in the first six
years, and then I'll look a little bit further out, and then I'll look a
little bit further out. I'm not going to go through every single project, but I'm
going to give you a flavor for what this TIP is about. how the projects
kind of work together and the like. And feel free if you do have specific
questions about any project in particular, feel free and ask. I'm always happy to help
answer the question. Mr. Sheldon? Mr. You bet. Mr. When you go through the TIP,
could you let people know which projects are being considered by the traffic task force?
Mr. I was actually going to talk a little bit about the task force recommendations
at the very end of the presentation. you could hold on that I was fine
I I do plan on I bringing up some information about go is a call
so beginning here we've got a series of projects that are shown in red and
I'm gonna have to step out so I can see the screen a little better
I or maybe I could just do it here in no particular order I what
we have is Newport way from 900 to southeast
fifty-fourth also known as the zoo road as well as gillman boulevard safety on
and bicycle and pet improvements those two projects are shown in red
as the red projects I should back up these projects are the ones that are
in the initial planning periods that we expect to spend money or we are already
spending money on them I the nine hundred to
fifty-fourth this year we're expending money on that just to survey the
property lines topographic features and things like that for planning purposes to further our planning
efforts on that project Gilman Boulevard safety improvements as well as the
bike and ped project were combined into one project similarly to Newport
over here we're just surveying the property lines topographic features things like that that are
gonna affect how we actually plan the project out and work through the issues along
that corridor. So Gilman and Newport over here, we're doing survey work this
year. More actively, we're under construction for Eastlake-Summammish
Parkway. That project, I don't know how familiar you are with it, but it's roughly,
by the time we deal with design, right-of-way, construction, it's roughly a $7.5
million project is expected to be substantially complete September this year I it
includes adding a new lane southbound bicycle and southbound curb gutter sidewalk as well as
street illumination on the west side of East Lake Sammamish Parkway
the next project I want to talk about is the southeast 62nd Street extension currently
southeast 62nd Street only goes between here we're now going to realign 62nd in this
area and build a brand new road all the way across through here
and tie into Lake Drive to create a new grid in the network north of
I-90. That project is under-designed right now. We're in the process of acquiring right-of-way,
and it's expected to go advertise for construction bids in the first quarter of next
year, with construction beginning next year. I'm going
to stay north of I-90 here for a little bit. The intersection of 12th and
SR-900 You may hear people interchangeably talk about 17th.
17th is also SR 900. So this intersection right here
will go under design once this one goes under construction, and it's anticipated
that this project will begin construction when this new road opens up. Again, we have
to think about sequentially how do we minimize impact to the community and keep traffic
moving as best as possible as we do these. I this one increases the capacity
for left turns coming out and turning south to get to I-90 and then it
also creates a right turn drop lane that comes in and turns into 12 for
ingress and egress into this area and that helps relieve congestion and so forth along
56 or south is Northwest Sammamish Road and increases the operational
capacity of that intersection moving south of I-90
We have Holly Street, which is a pedestrian, non-motorized
project. It's going to construct a 10 to 12-foot wide multipurpose path on the south
side of Holly Street between 5th Avenue Northwest and Rainier Boulevard.
And it does include a pedestrian-slash-bicycle bridge across Issaquah Creek, 12 feet wide.
uh... it also what goes along with that also is street elimination and things like
that because we want to be lit and comfortable for pedestrian bicycle use uh...
that's currently under design it's funded for design this year and we're applying for
grants for other agencies to see if we get construction money so we can construct
it next year three trails crossing straight here uh...
That project, we had some initial starts to the design a few years ago,
and the project was put on hold for a little bit, but it is within
the next two to three years expected to start back up again and get back
under design. The purpose behind this project is that people, when they use the regional
trail, they just cross right here at the intersection of Juniper, Gilman, and Rainier, and
don't use the pedestrian signal crossing just a couple hundred feet to the west. It
creates some safety issues, some traffic issues, and so we're going to try and connect
three trails, the Juniper Street Trail, Rainier Trail, and the East Lake Sammamish Trail with
a more direct connection right here using traffic signals.
the next project I'm gonna talk about is the circle right here as the front
street interchange project well that's a washed out project it on our tip for specific
reason in that one front street interchange is important to this community but it's also
right now washed out has funding to do is known as an interchange justification report
you may hear it shortlisted as an IJ are and that IJ are is going
to inform the city on another very important project for the city that's in its
TAP, and that's a potential crossing of I-90 for local traffic and
pedestrians somewhere in this vicinity right here to create another connection north-south.
This IJR is required by the Federal Highway Administration that any time you want to
do a modification to an interchange or change access with I-90 or even cross over
I-90, FHWA requires these types of reports to evaluate other options
and alternatives. One potential option and alternative that may come out of this is that
this crossing right here may be a more viable solution in the short term to
solving the issue here, which then helps us when we go ask for funding and
other things in other arenas, as well as it will inform us where FHWA is
likely to approve a crossing. So it's an important thing to keep on the radar
screen, on the planning horizons for the city. And so that's the
IJR. WSDOT's expected to start that in
end of 2017. They're expected to start it. And it's expected to take a couple
of years to get the study completed. So these are the more immediate near-term plans.
forecasted projects that are having expenditures or planning work done on them.
Next, in yellow, a little bit further out in the time frame,
I mentioned the crossing. While it's shown here, it's really somewhere between
here and here. The crossing itself is going to
follow on the heels of the IJR being published and then we'll begin those studies
and things like that that'll be associated with that. That's just a representation that there's
some crossing that happens. Doesn't specifically identify the exact location.
We have what's known as the Newport Way Maple to Sunset project. That
includes intersection improvements at Maple and Newport right here, as well as corridor
improvements that go from that intersection all the way to Sunset Way. involving three roundabouts
one at juniper one at holly and one at dogwood. Oops, juniper, holly and
dogwood. I got them backwards. Dogwood is down here, sorry.
Then we have two 21st improvements between southeast 56 and this new road that
we're building here to improve the surface and recondition that road, improve stormwater
and make it a little bit more urban for
use. We've got, let's see, sorry, the angle is hard for me to see the
colors.
No, I don't believe that's in the near term. There we go. Now we bring
up more in the distant expectations right now.
You'll see arrows at this road which is the isaqaul pine lake road arrows on
northwest sammamish road those are improvements that basically extend from roughly this location to see
limits from this location to the city limits future improvements for widening roads
dealing with pedestrian non motorized along the corridors as well I I do want to
mention that all projects that the city looks at we include pedestrian bicycles
know where feasible and viable that is a code in the city complete streets code
we do our best to incorporate all modes of transportation East Sunset
Way right here this project is one also that is shown in the
walk and roll plan to incorporate a cycle track and we need to
basically provide safer facilities for pedestrians on both sides of the road as well as
operational capacity along East Sunset Way given the volumes of traffic we have and the
turning movements. Intersection of front and sunset, those are
improvements to the turning capacities at that intersection so that we can operate the signal
more efficiently and move traffic through it easier. Over on
this end, we have similar types of improvements at Maple and 12th.
Northwest Sammamish Road in this area is on the planning docket for
widening one lane each direction. That's out in the years.
In this location right here, we have a grade separated crossing for the East Lake
Sammamish Trail planned on the books. And I
believe that's it. There's one more trail project right here in dashed yellow, which is
the Pickering Trail, and that's out sometime in the future as well.
So this is kind of the bulk and the larger scale projects. There are
some other projects in limited access along in here for the off-ramps, as well as
between Maple and Newport for widening and adding turn lanes and things of that sort
in the plan. Grand total in the TIP,
is greater than three hundred million dollars worth of improvements that the city has on
the books that are that we believe are necessary just
a general map picture showing how these
projects all lay out in the city generally for location this is just the
six-year picture it doesn't show all the projects but you
can tell that remember earlier I mentioned The land uses drive a lot of the
transportation needs and things like that. While we have a lot of improvements on the
valley floor, these improvements are also designed for the benefit of the entire community to
move traffic through and make it easier for everybody to have mobility, not just those
people that are adjacent to or within near vicinity of the project.
So with that, are there any questions about the TIP? And then after that, I'll
follow up with a little bit of information on the traffic task force and the
GO-Issaquah. Can you talk a little bit about how the Sound
Transit 3 plan has fed into this, if at all? There's a light bringing light
rail to the. Sure, you bet. Let's see.
So, Sound Transit, ST3. ST3 is
coming up for a vote in November, I believe. And it has in it
set to bring light rail out to Issaquah. The exact location is not laid out.
We have in our minds and radar screen really
trying to work with Sound Transit as we do studies like the IJR and the
crossings. And as we look at road projects like Gilman, Newport, these major
corridors and access to what's likely gonna be the corridor coming from the
west is likely gonna be I-90. How does it come into the city?
Where does it land? And so as that, we're watching that vote very closely. The
mayor is on the sound transit board. And so we're watching that activity very closely
and we'll be very engaged And as our projects move forward, we're gonna be talking
with Sound Transit and WSDOT going, how's all this gonna fit together? So hopefully we're
not building a project that we're gonna end up tearing out in whole in the
future. Because obviously when you build a transit station, you're gonna tear something out. We
wanna minimize what we tear out.
Sure.
Anybody else got questions? Go ahead. Sure. You mentioned the coordination with King County and
Sammamish and others, and that all makes sense. Is there ever any outreach to the
communities to the south, just knowing that a lot of the traffic impacts that come
through the city come from the south? Is there ever any outreach to them? Just
thinking about kind of level of service over time. What we've done with that is
we've actually, like for instance, when the transportation package was being voted on in the
state last year, we had a coalition cities that were actually going down to the
legislature lobbying for improvements along highway 18 improvements at the
interchange of 18 and I 90 because we see that as you know another
bottleneck that's forcing people to come up Hobart Road which comes into our community we
are working with King County right now to develop a scope which we're going to
share in the cost of hopefully to do a corridor study of Hobart Road to
see if there's some reasonable improvements that we could do to move traffic now because
we know that Highway 18 improvements are going to be a while down the road.
Good question. Very good question. I have a question
here. Looking here at the tip, I don't see
breakdown of funding. All the projects are being funded.
with me for just a second. My question is,
is it possible to break some of these projects out, and we're just gonna
take the Northwest Holly Street as an example. Okay. You have a total
funding here of 4.5 million. Is there a way that we could break that out
and say this is coming from taxes, this is coming from
GRANTS OR OTHER SOURCES? THAT WAY THE PUBLIC COULD ACTUALLY SEE AND
UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TRUE COST TO THEM IS FOR THIS PROJECT. WE HAVE
PLANNING NUMBERS LIKE THAT ON THE PROJECTS WHERE WE UNDERSTAND THEM MORE FULLY AND WHERE
WE'RE MORE CONFIDENT IN WHAT OUR GRANTS WOULD BE. FOR INSTANCE, THE NORTHWEST HOLLY STREET,
NONMOTORIZED, WE FEEL CONFIDENT that we're gonna qualify well for a
WSDOT Ped and Bike grant for that. We've just recently applied for it this
month. I believe we were asking for about just under $2 million
for that. The next step there is we're hoping also to get a TIB grant
for that. Projecting grants in the planning document is just that. It's a
projection. Until you get into that grant cycle, and the competition because you don't know
who and what projects you're competing against, it's hard to say for certain that you're
going to get it. We have projections, yes. But at the end of the day,
grants are not guaranteed. I wasn't necessarily thinking of projection because you're right,
you can't really project and know for certainty. But create more of
a, take the TIP and turn it into a living document. So this is the
six-year plan, but as we progress in time and those grants start
coming in, then we can start allocating those grants to these projects for the specified
projects. And that way people can see in real time how the grants are stacking
up for the projects as we go through this. We actually do that. Okay.
And that living document that you refer to is really more the CFP than the
TIP. but we try and keep the information in both,
but it's on the detail sheets and so forth of the projects themselves. I believe
the detail sheets will indicate the different types of funding sources. So for
instance, if you looked at the North Issaquah Roadway improvements, Eastlake Sammamish Parkway,
funding sources down at the bottom. Which number are you looking at?
Let's see. The very first one. Very first project. I just pulled up the top
one. You'll notice that there's funding sources. There's a rally developer contribution.
Doesn't have any money next to it, but we're using rally development money as part
of the city's contribution on that. PSRC, TAB, and Costco also pay.
This is just 2017 forecasting. Okay, so what you're not seeing is the prior years,
where other PSRC money, other TIB money, and Raleigh developer contributions have
gone towards that. For instance, the Raleigh developer contribution, while it's worded that way, is
actually an impact fee that Raleigh Enterprise has paid as part of
the development agreement. Is there a way that someone in the public
could actually easily access a document to see how this
really breaks out. In other words, they wanna know what the true cost is out
of their pocket for some of these projects. So if this project is 350,000 and
we are, or 350 million, so out of 350
million, how much of it is actually coming from us, the Issaquah residents, taxpayers, as
opposed to the grants and so on? East Lake Samanish Parkway, it is next year,
only 350,000 for 2017. Because we expect to basically just have
residual amount of work left on it, clean up work, things like that, and probably
pay the last pay estimate or something on the large contract. At this stage of
this project, we'd be able to go to the financial system and dig out all
the grants and things like that, who's paid what exactly, because
it's historical information. Okay. You referenced the CFP. What is that? That's
the Capital Facilities Plan. That's the document that the council uses for
budgetary purposes as they look to the next year for budget. Thank you.
You mentioned in the beginning that this isn't a prioritized list.
Correct. But it looks like a prioritized list.
been here for 10 years about and old Providence Point
interchange and on this list for ever never seems
to go up just stays there I noticed that we've spent
three hundred and sixty eight thousand on it and it's still sitting there
it's not prioritized how do these projects get to where they are
I mean somebody has to prioritize in the TIP itself or in the CFP
because the CFP is what prioritizes but the two documents are pretty similar but the
council at the end of the day can move projects up as they want to
budget them for instance it may show the Providence Point where is it shown
here it's got a million out in
subsequent years. Yeah, it looks like it's number 36 as a reference number on this.
If the City Council wanted to fund that next year, they can fund it.
It's on this list in hopes of grant criteria changing
that would allow it to be eligible for funding and would compete well. Right now,
That project does not compete well for any type of funding outside of the city.
Okay, I understand that. The problem is that people are looking at this, if they
see this list, it ends up being prioritized. I know that
Connie brought that up in one of her comments, that it really seems like it.
And I don't know if there's a way to make it clearer, unless we also
put down the CFP, you say put okay so
it is not prioritized from the state's perspective or the city's perspective this is not
the prioritization document the two may look similar if not identical between the
cfp and the tap when the cfp is drafted but the
council can move the cfp around they can move this around but it doesn't make
any difference to the state the state just looks at this and goes this is
the money that we think we may be asked for sometime in the future you
know be in the first six years or out in the future and they know
at any given time we can move a project up forward an example of that
is actually the one that we just talked about north eastlake sammamish parkway that project
used to be about halfway down the tip until all of a sudden funding came
available from the federal government and we received
almost a million dollars in design money from the federal government, and that's what moved
it up. And then we figured out other ways with federal money, Costco money and
others to finish out that funding package. Sometimes it takes a little bit of a
ignition spark to get the projects to move. Hopefully that answered your question, Carl.
Yes and no? Yes and no. Okay. Any other questions?
One of my primary questions you were saying you were still yet to address, which
is how this aligns to what other commissions have had eyes on this, specifically regarding
the Traffic Commission. I was hoping to, I hadn't, we didn't get any kind of
information about that prior to the meeting and we keep being alluding to it. So
I think before questions it would be concluded, we'd like to hear about that. Okay,
so what I'd like to do there
is the Traffic Task Force recommended to the City Council nine projects.
These projects are listed here. Maple, Providence Point signalization, you mentioned, how does it
move up? How does it get funded? East Sunset Way, if you recall, that's down
somewhere near the bottom in the TIP. Three trails crossing, Newport Way, 54th
to 900. Front and Sunset intersection, that's another one that's down pretty far in the
TIP. Newport Way, Maple to Sunset. Gielman Boulevard safety and bike head
improvements and then a parking structure parking structure is not in the TIP but
it's one that the task force evaluated and recommending and what I'd like to do
is take you to the city's website for go is a qual
this is the home page for go is a qual what I'm gonna do is
I'm play a little video kind of talks a little bit about what the city's
doing for transportation, what are some of the things that are going on so that
you understand more about what the task force has been doing.
As well as what I'd like to remind you is that while the task force
recommended nine projects, as you can tell from the list of TIP, there's a huge
backlog. So there's still a lot that we have to get done, not just the
nine that task force is recommending so hopefully we understand that
but by nature of the list that those nine recommendations could jump up in terms
of their prioritization that's correct if they're put on a ballot measure which the City
Council has not yet approved or authorized and the people vote for it
those projects would move up because then there's certainty in funding and they would be
completed
and get the right volume here. So this is just there's no question. We
know Issaquah is a great place to live, work, learn and play. And we're not
alone. In the next 15 years, central Issaquah's population and workforce are expected to more
than double. Traffic is already a problem and it's not going away. That's why Issaquah
isn't waiting for development to decide our fate. Instead, we're tackling traffic now. Recently,
we more than doubled traffic fees to ensure developers are paying their fair share. We
understand we can't tackle this issue alone. So we're advocating for more bus service, parking
rides, and someday light rail to Issaquah. And we're working with our neighbors, like Sammamish
and King County, on congestion that starts beyond our borders. To get more people out
of their cars, Issaquah is making it easier to get around by foot or bike.
Making our streets safer for pedestrians is also a top priority. And since grants and
fees won't grow fast enough to fund projects we need now, Issaquah is considering a
package of local transportation projects that could go to voters this fall. Together we can
tackle traffic. It's time to stop swimming upstream.
So this website, it's off the city's home webpage.com. and you can see that there's
information about the walk and roll
plan as soon as it comes up here shows a map the walk and roll
projects there's pedestrian safety projects
not all of these are the ones recommended they're just a picture as to what
is the cause looking at and planning for as time goes by It talks about
developer fees, regional projects that are planned and in the works.
You should be able to click on one and bring up information about it. There's
Sound Transit bus service. So I encourage you to go visit the website,
explore around it. The task force did a great job
of reviewing a number of different projects and debating the issues around each and every
one of them and came up with their recommendation for funding. The package that the
task force recommended is on the order of $71 million. The council is currently deliberating
it and will be meeting, they met at a workshop on Monday where they were
presented the information from the task force. They're going to be discussing it at their
infrastructure committee meeting on May 19th and then the council sometime in
June, maybe early July, will make a decision on how they're going to move forward
with a package or not. Does that help you understand, Joy, a little bit about
what it's about? Unfortunately, it doesn't because I had already been onto the site. I
think what happened was as I got this packet and was reading through it, I
was hoping for a little bit more information. While I understand that some of these
projections are unknown because they haven't really had the proper studies done because we're not
really ready to address it. It seems like it's more of these overarching concepts right
now. As we get deeper into the packet, we start to get less and less
information as we start to go through these projects. I was hoping for a little
bit finer detail about exactly For instance, looking at the very first one when we
look at the East Lake Sammamish Parkway, I was disappointed to not see any kind
of contribution from the developer like listed out. So we've kind of talked about how
we kind of want a little bit more access to information. And you're kind of
saying, well, it's out there, but I'm not actually seeing these direct correlations, especially to
each project. So as we recommend these things for council to move ahead with and
say these are the priorities and goals of our community, it's hard to say when
we're not seeing a full package of information, whether that's I didn't see any information,
for instance, about prioritizing wildlife corridors. I was expecting to see a broader package of
things than maybe was included. I was also expecting to see a little bit more
finer detail about expectations of where we want to be gaining funding, even if that
hasn't yet been secured. So I was hoping that maybe that information had been given
to the task force But right now I'm hearing more broader strokes.
Well, the purpose of the task force, one of the things that they were tasked
with was projects that we feel like we need to be able to fund locally
and be able to do that on our own. And what was within reason
for that. Certainly we can pursue grants and other things.
But the task force recommendation is based upon if we don't get grants, these are
the projects they would recommend that the city move forward and fund on its own.
The information, I believe we do contain information about forecasting
potential grant sources. We may not have the numbers there because we really don't
know how much it's going to be. Some projects we know just won't qualify for
grants, but we don't put those on the planning sheets. Are you
looking for specific dollars on each of those projects for the task force? I'm
curious, when we start getting through this whole package of all these
different projects, is it that the city isn't actually putting through