there we are the lights on good evening
the Piney policy commission meeting for
Thursday June 12th will come to order it
at 6 35 first item of business is
approval of the minutes for May 22nd
are there any additions or Corrections
for members of the commission
seeing none yeah I have I have one I
think on
uh
six
today
upgraded you tonight we're kidding
is your mic on call
I was trying but I don't know
is the red light on okay it is now there
it is now he's happy
how about the top of page seven
that was that was me okay
any other Corrections
I also have one addition that I'm not
seeing in the minutes and I'm not sure
at what point we talked about this but
during the utilities discussion uh I
specifically remember asking about
uh the possibility of inclusion of fiber
optic expansion and I didn't see that
within the minutes
okay okay okay
anything else
if none noting the changes
is there a motion to accept the minutes
um second offered and second all in
favor
opposed
Mr approved
move on the next item of business is the
Transportation element update yes
Kristen the floor is yours excellent
because I love having the floor
um so for those of you who I haven't met
yet I'm Kristen Lisa and I'm a senior
planner with development services
and I've worked with Trish for about 11
years or so
um
so tonight we I know only 11. tonight we
have we're talking about two different
elements we were talking about the
Transportation element and we're going
to do what we did last time and talk
about the goals we're just going to
focus on the goals and then we'll move
into the land you settlement and talk
about the changes that were made to the
goals just briefly that we covered those
and then start discussing policies
so moving right into it
um
first thing I'd really like to talk to
and it's part of the element is the
one of the city council's 2015 goals one
of their goals is to establish a master
they called it a transportation Mobility
plan we're changing it to our
transportation master plan we're trying
to change that to a Mobility master plan
I think so
let me skip this cute well
so what they would like the
transportation master plan to be is a
comprehensive multimodal approach to
transportation to identify near and
long-term projects and funding
mechanisms for those
they would like to incorporate several
existing plans that we have including
complete streets
pet and bike policies and plans and then
we're also currently working on
Transportation concurrency and they
would like that to be incorporated into
it
they they suggested that the development
of the master plan can be started with
the transportation element
and one of the examples that they
suggested that we look at is the Redmond
Transportation master plan
so some of the contents in the Redmond
plan as well as a few others there are
Trends and conditions performance
measurements multimodal transportation
system plans motorized non-motorized
Transit they include Freight access and
distribution parking plans and
transportation demand management
Regional Transportation maintenance and
operation plans and pro plans and
programs and three-year priority action
plans design guidance
one other thing another goal that the
city council had was to do a circulation
plan it was a proposed goal to do a
circulation plan for Old Town and what
they decided to do is combine that in
with the Mobility master plan
so that is an additional piece to this
so we're already working on a lot of
this and in 2014 we're working on the
mobility action plan and that includes
priority projects there are 13 on there
they are prioritized there were about 80
in total that we're looking at we priced
out the first 13 and those will be
included as well as the others into the
maps that we have the non-motorized maps
we also identified recommendations for
policy changes program changes and
standards changes
we're also currently working on updating
concurrency
and this includes updating our models
once we use we use land use assumptions
to find out figure out how traffic's
going to work over the next 20 years and
see what improvements need to be made
we're updating the transportation impact
fee the we're trying to simplify
concurrency and impact fees we're coming
up with a new non-motorized
Transportation mitigation fee that came
out of the central Issaquah plan and
looking at funding strategies how are we
going to pay for all these things that's
part of what we're doing right now as
well
2015 June of 2015 is when the
transportation element will be finished
and that includes all of the 20-year the
street system transit system pedestrian
system and bicycle system plans or maps
that we have that show all of the routes
that we want to be built in 20 years
it includes the transportation
Improvement program which is our
long-range plan
uh project descriptions three-year
priority action plan concurrency
management and level of service policies
in a street functional classification
system most of that is in there now and
we're just updating
and I say just updating it's kind of a
big deal but we're updating those
existing things 2017 we will turn that
into a standalone Master Mobility plan
and we'll add Trends and conditions
performance measurements and some of
Freight distribution we'll update our
TDM plan and include maintenance and
operations plan Regional Transportation
as well
and then in 2019 we'll do on the
Citywide parking plan Old Town
circulation plan design guidelines and
by that time it will be time to update
the concurrency model again
so just to kind of give you guys
a
snapshot of what needs to be done what's
going to be done over the next four
years but the transportation element is
a huge piece of that so when we start
updating the policies we have a schedule
for it but I think the schedule is going
to change a little bit for when this
comes back to PPC
we can't really do the concurrency
policies and level of service policies
until Council has adopted those changes
and that won't be until fall actually
they won't adopt until by the end of the
year we'll start working on them in fall
and then we can start incorporating some
of the pedestrian non-motorized bike
policies
now or in the next month or two once
that comes along so that we're waiting
on a few updates before we can move on
this question yes when you're talking
about concurrency are you referring only
to Road concurrency or multimodal
multimodal concurrency
Kristen yes can you go back two slides
oops wrong way
this one
next one more
can you explain the difference between
what the transportation Improvement
program 20-year is and what the tip
expanded project description is because
I thought
that the tip was was 20-year plan you
know I thought about two I should have
taken the second one out it's so when
when you all see Gary every time he has
the the charts that lists out all of the
projects and then it includes the
pricing
this is the other piece to that he also
has individual sheets that describe each
one
right and that's all it is they first
I've broken out into two different
sections here it's all one yeah I want
to know if it was expanded Beyond 20
years or something if we were talking
about it no no
okay right I just wanted to make sure
that's what it was yes okay thank you
you're welcome
I have another question too just to make
sure how this all fits together so we're
working on the transportation element of
the plan
and all these things are going on kind
of concurrently so we need to make sure
they they fit together right correct so
the master uh Mobility master plan we
have to basically say in here that
that's what we're going to do next right
instead of line that up and I guess
those are the kind of things I'm right
there's a section in here called
Mobility management and I would imagine
that a policy in there would be develop
a Mobility master plan right to yeah
yeah so those kinds of things that
aren't quite here yet as you bring some
of these other things to light and then
we take the transportation element out
of it included in the master or the
mobility master plan plus all those
other pieces because you got it you got
a thing laid out for four years it isn't
quite set up to be done yet right which
is why our schedule may not work that we
already have out there and then and then
so some of the details you say you're
not coming till the fall for some of
these things you're going to want so
that's
the more detail that will fall under
what we're talking about correct correct
yeah a lot of it I can't even address
right now it's just
there's too much flying around
for me to keep up all right
so the transportation element we're
going to do what we did last time and
just talk about the goals
so just as a reminder a goal is your aim
or desired result
the policy is what guides you
to achieve those goals and
implementation is the execution of those
policies the actual doing okay so
tonight it's the big picture aim
so why it's important one it's a huge
piece of the mobility master plan
two Transportation patterns affect land
use patterns as much as Landry says you
know it's vice versa they affect each
other equally
and transportation seems to be the
number one issue that residents and
businesses would like to see addressed
in the city so it's a pretty big
so the vision currently
is to provide a comprehensive
well-managed active transportation
system that enables the safe and
efficient movement of all users
contributes to the public realm through
well-designed and inviting facilities
and provides a variety of facilities
that accommodate the multiple functions
that occur such as connectivity
Recreation passive use informal
Gathering and storm water
yes
I'm unclear what
what about storm water
it's
storm water what just that it's like
that it infiltrates that it doesn't
flood that it's infiltrated back into
the ground because they feel like that
sentence kind of
sticks out there well no it's just like
and storm water
oh okay you know like I was thinking
okay well the removal this the storage
of it the
um treat like what about it are we
trying to address okay
so expand a bit stormwater infiltration
yeah anything I was just like oh did a
word get dropped off okay right because
we don't want to say we're transporting
the storm water yeah
we're supposed to do with it now that we
have it we have
okay so we're trying to say minimizing
of uh Imperial surface maybe he said
were we getting it
not necessarily because if you want
non-motorized facilities
and bike Lanes or cycle tracks your
roads aren't going to get any skinnier
so not really you just want to be sure
that when you're building all of this
that you're not creating more problems
with correct
anything else one more question another
paragraph and a second line it talks
about movement of all users
yes usually just felt weird to me
um citizens as people users who are kind
of like a
I don't know pay for you use kind of
thing I guess
thought is to make sure that some of the
um the way we do you know the green the
storm water kinds of um the not ditches
but the infiltration systems that look
green and landscaped but really they're
um like on uh Rainier to make sure that
those are what we think of when we put
in a new rotor we repair a road that it
doesn't have to be just ditches and
culverts that it could actually be that
nice green infiltrating but that looks
like it's the landscape
um what what does active means as
opposed to I mean I assume I know what
it means but first why is it capitalized
to
you know this active transportation is
passive transportation
it's it's active it's capitalized
because it's defined okay that's the
only reason okay and a lot of people
don't know what it means so we defined
it right okay
um
I didn't see the
definition
it's pulled or
straight from Central Issaquah and
trying to be consistent we use the same
term
but is it is it the active well to me
implies you know you think of passive
like passive Recreation versus active
Recreation okay if you apply to
Transportation you think of you know
more motorized as opposed to walking so
sitting in your car pedaling a bike
okay
so I don't know if it has a definition
that goes beyond that it's fine but
otherwise I would
prefer to not have the word active as
part of it
okay
um
we can look at that the only concern is
consistency that's one of the goals that
we're trying to achieve is to make sure
that the comprehensive plan is
consistent with the centralized aquam so
um
definition right there is it not in in
parentheses it is right there yeah and
and that's out of the center is a
coupling because it talks about mass
transit which is really outdated term
um but because we have to be consistent
we can't change that
right Mass trans
I have one more thing I guess back to
the storm water thing sorry
um because I know that I don't know the
soils in Issaquah that well and I don't
sure did your mic go turn off
so anyways I don't know if it we should
say it accommodate storm water rather
than just you know
it's just my thought and sometimes we
shouldn't accommodate sometimes we
should so and I think putting it up
there we just want to be sure we're
always thinking about it because you're
right some places are really good for
infiltration and some places not yeah so
we just don't want to forget that
roadways and and transportation pieces
are often also our storm water
facilities whether they're pipes or
infiltration got it okay and we could
also think we could also say you know an
appropriate storm water infiltration but
that is looked at every single time any
project comes in right
whether it can or not okay okay and one
thing that I'm not seeing within the
transportation Vision
um you know comprehensive well-managed
efficient but could we work in
environmentally responsible as kind of
an overarching goal of the
transportation system I think that would
go a long way to making sure that that's
addressed in each of the goals
we all okay with it baby
it didn't come out very well is
everybody okay with that yeah okay some
language I was going to suggest was
something like that maximizes or
minimizes now maximize is Energy
Efficiency because it says efficient but
it says efficient movement so we have
the other version of Ephesians the
maximize his Energy Efficiency and
minimize its description to the
environments
okay
so I would be adding environmentally
responsible maximizes Energy Efficiency
and minimizes
I can't read my word destruction
disruption thank you looks like it
starts with an A disruption to the
environment
okay
ready okay
I don't want to go through each and
every one of these
um but these are GMA requirements so GMA
as you all know requires certain
pieces be addressed in your
comprehensive plans and essentially
they're saying make sure that you use
land assumptions to determine what your
travel is going to be like and how
people are going to travel over the next
20 years make sure that you have a
funding strategy to pay for all of this
make sure that you don't let development
happen unless things are mitigated
or other things are changed such as the
level of services decreased
um
make sure that you have 20-year plans in
place
um
again with funding make sure that you
coordinate with other agencies
use Transportation demand management
strategies to try and get people out of
single occupancy vehicles
and
you make sure that you are concurrent so
that really quickly summarizes all those
policies we can't change them but I just
wanted to go over those with you
okay
first category so like we did with land
use this is broken up into different
categories
first category is transportation and
land use and IT addresses land use
assumptions growth targets
Transportation Improvement program and
concurrency
the first goal is coordinate land use
and transportation
so like GMA said
make sure that you don't let development
happen unless
the traffic impacts are mitigated or
unless the level of service has changed
essentially and there are other things
but that's what it's saying
any question would that be maybe better
addressed by coordinating with
land use with Transportation I suppose
so it doesn't seem like we're just
addressing both goals separately but
we're actually coordinating the tools
do I hear any names
30 but that's okay very fashionable
do you need a chair
um we'll get a
H okay
number two
okay one of the rolly ones would work
let me get it up there oh wait
where did you figure yeah
okay
unless there any other comments on the
first one
number two
is link development and transportation
improvements by tying Transportation
cost estimates and potential funding to
job and population growth rates
are we good okay
three
and actually moving on to a different
section as well this is transportation
demand management which is trying to get
people out of single occupancy vehicles
so we work with different companies
large companies when they come in to
come up with plans for carpooling or
Bike Share or private small vehicles
that people can use if they take transit
that's what this includes
use Transportation demand management
techniques to achieve efficient use of
Transportation infrastructure increase
the person carrying capacity accommodate
and facilitate future growth and Achieve
issaquah's land use objectives
I did have a question with regard to the
wording of increase the person carrying
capacity is that of the rights of way or
of the individual Vehicles individual
vehicles I believe I can have to check
but I believe that's individual Vehicles
since that's the point of this whole
section right like a van pool or a
carpool or a something like that okay a
shuttle yeah a shuttle yeah
anything else
okay
number four support alternative modes of
transportation that help to reduce
dependency
on single occupancy vehicles
uh I would uh support something a little
instead of support as a word what about
the offer travel choices
it's more active
okay
um
I'm just thinking goal versus policy
that's what I'm doing
but
right
this is a bigger picture so that could
be a policy that says oh and that would
be very specific it would be it would be
but I'm looking at it as a broader okay
in the broader context of
um so the
support
I just want to understand doesn't seem
strong enough or actionable enough yeah
okay
so how about if I look for a more
actionable word okay that keeps it a
goal okay
and along those same lines the
transportation demand management is also
aimed at reducing carbon emissions
um
so but while IT addresses single
occupancy vehicle use
I would be in favor of
a goal added just below that to support
the use of alternative energy vehicles
or low emissions zero emission vehicles
okay that's part of the plan as well and
I think that would go a long way to a
reduction of emissions as well so goal
number six has prioritized non-motorized
and Transit oriented Mobility
improvements and Design Elements because
of their climate reduction benefits
does that cover
what you'd like to see
or
um not necessarily because these are
still motorized vehicles and they're not
Transit oriented and it doesn't really
go to the um
overall demand management design and so
that's where I think as a separate goal
or even modifying the goal related to
Alternative modes of transportation
would address that
okay for the fun of it could you repeat
your first one for me please and then
I'll and uh
uh what was that good for the fun of it
could you repeat your first phrasing for
me oh um
support
um
it was yeah alternative alternative
um fuel okay Vehicles including low
emission and zero emission Vehicles
could we just add that to that uh
lower increased the person carrying
capacity lower emissions accommodate and
yeah it could either be added to uh goal
three or goal four I think it could fit
into either one of those with just a
rewording okay
all right
so
goal five
I actually I'm starting to go back to on
um
goal four
um instead of support alternative modes
like what Chantel was saying what about
encourage
is that a more
um
actionable actionable but still it
doesn't like put this city out there for
like committing to yeah dividing the
alternative modes
um yeah I encourage I mean unless you
would say provide incentives for yeah or
something like that I don't see that as
much more actionable and support
okay
yes
that's all right
that is
no I was going to ask I was waiting for
the next goal the managed parking
through plans and
is that in the parking plans to put in
um
charging stations for the electric
vehicles that's 2019. I don't know no I
don't know 2019 is too far away it is so
I I'm not there yet
um
yeah and it would be it would be a good
policy when I'm
thinking my concern as well is that it
seems like it would be more a policy to
encourage energy efficient vehicles as
opposed to an overarching goal doing how
can you encourage
electric vehicles if you don't provide
the plug-in well exactly that's one of
the policies that would encourage
electric vehicles and I think would be
necessary for encouraging electric
vehicles but I do feel that it's a
policy policy so I have a proposal
how about if we at we could add a
section called transportation in the
environment
and put the climate
related goals under there
and under their list policies to provide
or ensure developers provide electric
stations charging stations
um
incentivize
fuel
alternative fuel cars that kind of thing
does that work
so you'd put then then it just emissions
under there under right one too right
then it just it seems that and it was
included in the goal as well so it just
seems that there needs to be a bigger
focus on it based on this discussion and
to get a bigger Focus you're going to
have a whole section devoted to that
I I do like the idea of separating
um
something
having sections for each of the
there's a climate control one but
sections for each of the the modes of
transportation so we can have some
specific policies that relate to each
one of them as opposed to having a lot
of them
put together under alternative or
support alternative or support data
support that but what are we doing for
walkability what are we doing for
bicycles what are we doing for
alternative energy Vehicles transit or
whatnot right so they are broken into
sections the goals are currently broken
into sections like that but I would just
propose adding one that specifically
towards climate or the environment
I would be in favor of that for sure
that worked so I'll go back and yes I
would like to point out that the city is
already where all the developers already
doing that up in the highlands there's a
whole strip of electric plug-ins
wherever you'd like to call them
or they're called um so I don't know if
they're incentivized to do that or it's
just the city said You shall do this
right we had a program where we had
because we have one at the city hall
over by the Holiday Inn as well so
there's a few sprinkled around
not enough though
okay Kristen can you point where those
sections are that you said so at the at
the top of each page so you have uh I
don't have a pointer
that one says Transportation demand
management that's a section
um active Transportation Network that's
a section yeah
uh Street Network
non-motorized Network
right I was I was talking about
specifically doing walkability
specifically bicycles specifically you
know so those would be a section so you
don't want non-motorized do you want
those to Encompass both of those you
want them to be separate and maybe that
can go under non-motorize but
okay let's let's see how it goes okay
okay I'm gonna stop you from now on
I'm not sure where this fits but I guess
it's a thing I'm concerned with from uh
from the bikes you know we talk about
encouraging bicycles and all that kind
of stuff and the new engineering that
I'm seeing is for
um is is actually contrary to safety on
bicyclists if you go up on the highlands
you do not want to ride up there because
the lanes are so narrow the cars don't
fit and you're going to get blown off
the road and it's so this new
engineering of narrowing everything down
so the cars can't move very fast and the
driveways aren't wide enough and the one
lane for a two-lane road it puts the
bicycles in serious Jeopardy so it's
really hard this is kind of an
overarching thing that we're saying
we're going to encourage bicycles and
we're going to engineer everything to
make it unsafe for the bicyclists and
and I'm not sure where that fits but
that's the new style of engineering not
just in isawa but other places as well
but it's gotten it's to me it's very
ridiculous and it's quite I ride my bike
all over and I don't ride certain places
because it it throws you into the middle
of traffic no matter what you want to do
right so I'm not sure how that fits in
here but somehow I'd like to see that
issue of safety of those addressed in
the engineering standards other places I
mean just simple things bulb curbs water
thing they throw the bicyclist all of a
sudden totally into into traffic when
they can be on the edge of traffic
so and that's been addressed in the
mobility action plan
something that we're working on right
now something about a protected Lane
when you can handle bicycles as an
alternative mode of transportation to
Transportation centers but as I view it
bicycles and walking trails pedestrian
walks are more Recreation than
alternative people who uh the way to get
cars off the road is to try to figure
out some way uh to get people not to use
cars to shop and I'll get i'll address
that later because I had a proposal that
I made some years ago that my
uh address that issue but we talk about
bicycles as an alternative mode of
transportation I think we have to be
careful because uh
to go from one place to another is to go
with a purpose and uh bicycles
uh unless you're running an errand or
going to a Transportation Center just
don't cut it
yeah because I'm on my bike around town
all day long and I covered this ground
and I and I use it as a transportation
mode not as a recreation model and I
would disagree no not anymore I I also
commute to Queen Anne from Issaquah by
bike and it's I've noticed some of those
same issues with certain roadways along
my bike route that create hazards so I I
have been involved with that as well and
this is why I was suggesting to have a
bicycle section where we can list
policies that are specific to riding
bicycles and a
pedestrian section that is specific to
that which seems to fit maybe under
non-motorized but it's not directly
there right now so I think the critical
issue that we need to talk about is how
to get cars off the streets because
that's what we're facing right now
without population growths so the issue
becomes what do we how do we deal with
the issue of
increasing population from 30 to 60 000
and uh and that uh exacerbating the
traffic jams we currently have
and I don't disagree with you I think
those can be integrated a solution that
both works for increasing uh reducing
the amount of cars on the roadway
increasing alternative transportation
options which would get cars off the
roadway as well as making sure we're
looking for opportunities to integrate
those two one of the ways would be to
find ways to encourage
car share and transportation sharing
which which have worked in other cities
very well in other counties but uh
the issue is how and what incentives can
we provide to make that happen and
Costco right now has the largest Van van
pool in the state and we do have
policies in place that require
businesses with 100 people or more that
come in to do that but
but you're right and those are good
policies that we need to make sure that
we have right when we get to those so
that we can make that happen
so on that on that note
um looking down just one goal ahead the
parking managing parking through plans
and programs
I know zoning codes typically require
parking for certain
you know land uses and so I know that
the the lowest emissioned car would be
no car right so if you're requiring cars
or parking in your developments then
you're basically encouraging cars so I'm
just kind of wondering
you know maybe I don't know how you
would word this maybe just manage
parking plans if we have a goal of in
the parking plan to
allow a developer to build a building
without providing parking and if he had
some idea he or she had an idea of
okay we're going to Market this
development with no parking
um
I don't know provide something in there
to allow someone to do that so I feel
like I'm going deeper into this than I
should but we talked about that when we
did the central issaqua plan and
developers said no but another factor is
what
finances will and will not Finance what
banks will not finance and a lot of
times they won't finance a building if
it doesn't have parking currently
however
in central Issaquah we gave both minimum
and maximum parking requirements so
which we've never had maximum
requirements before and we reduced the
minimum down quite a bit in central
Issaquah and that could change as we
turn from more of a suburban community
into a more urban community in central
Issaquah but then you have to remember
too that the comprehensive plan covers
all of Issaquah and not just Central
Issaquah so you do still you will still
have a very Suburban element outside of
that but it's a very good point and
something that's been talked about a lot
King County had a whole six-week program
on it right I I just don't know if we
need to make a comprehensive plan based
on what could be financed right you know
someone could Finance the whole thing
themselves you know who knows
what could possibly be done and so I I
just feel like providing a minimum just
seems kind of odd to me because it's
like and it just doesn't well I think in
in
assuming that at some point people
aren't going to be I think having a
minimum is important because
I
am not getting on my bike I have an
infant and I have a five-year-old and
there is no way I'm going to the grocery
store with that so I know some people do
but we live in a city that is aspiring
to be
um
this
you know amazing place but it's still
suburban and there are reasons why
people choose to live in a suburban area
and I think that
if you only focus on the alternative
Transportation modes you're alienating
quite a large population of Issaquah
we're not Seattle where everything's
close and while some people do commute
great distances
um
you know I worked for Los Angeles County
for quite a few years and the same
argument came up a lot
what it comes down to I think is if you
exclude too many things in the in the
hopes of creating this ideal
plan you're ruling out sources of
funding because you don't have a certain
phrase included in your general plan and
then you're not you're no longer
eligible for like
certain tax benefits and certain things
where the cities require that help
from the government and if you don't
have that one word in your goal or in
your plan
you just totally eliminated that source
of funding whatever the end goal would
be so if you're having minimum
if you're getting rid of minimum parking
you're getting rid of
half of Issaquah and
um
you know why would we limit them the
option of that you know
so don't discourage it and right it's
just so so you know if someone wanted to
come in and do something and attract all
these people that didn't want to own a
car they could do that you know and so
maybe it wouldn't be a retail spot
because no one's going to go there and
shop at this retail place without a car
right you know it's just like
in this in a plan that provided some
type of option for that you know can I
let Mike jump in here real quick he's
been trying to get in for a while at
least
I think I think any plan or future goals
we have to live with the reality
of what is current in our environment
you can you can hope you can demand you
can
pray that you're going to have cutbacks
in certain areas where you're you know
doing
less cars more bikes etc etc but let's
look at reality
count the number of cars on the highway
we all drive cars
you may not because you ride your bike
to work that's fine
I don't
and I can tell you every morning that
there's a whole bunch of people that are
driving their cars all over the place so
eliminating parking or setting up an
environment that is going to be that
I don't have a problem with having as a
goal or an objective
but as a expectation
ain't gonna work folks all right I mean
I I don't ride my bike to work every day
and I'm I'm not suggesting that I'm just
suggesting the idea of the possibility
of someone to do that you know so I'm
not saying you have to bike to work
every day and you have to ride to a
place that's not gonna you're not going
to be able to park in so I'm just saying
someone might have that idea and why
limit that person to that right and
along Paul what you're saying is um we
have it in our zoning code our land use
code that if someone does come in with
that kind of idea like the Z home and
they said the people that are going to
live here are going to have such a
sustainability mindset and lifestyle
that we could have excuse me we could
have a lot fewer parking spaces because
they're probably going to have the
little smart cars they're probably going
to bike they're and so we were able to
reduce their parking because they could
show us what their plan was and our
zoning code allows us to do that so we
already sort of have that umbrella of
being Innovative as long as the
applicant can and show that like the
neighbors aren't going to be affected
because all the people that can't find
parking in their apartment counter
condos are going to park you know are
going to impact the neighbors so we want
to be sure that those innovative ideas
work within the whole neighborhood not
just with that parcel but we do have
some places it pieces in place to allow
for that and I think it's good to always
be thinking of that next thing too like
you're talking about like what if the
next thing comes in and we can't we
can't do it because we've put ourselves
in a corner but so we're hoping that
those kinds of things are in here so
when you get down to that actual
application that we'd be able to say yes
you've shown us that you're putting all
these things in places so it's a good
thing for those folks that live there
and work there but it doesn't affect the
neighborhood in a bad way so I think
we're covered I think what everybody's
saying is is good and we have it covered
yeah yeah and you know I would agree
with Mike we're you know yes we have to
encourage reduction where we can but
that's where we have that second part of
the goal the quote that supports his
quas land use objectives end quote
um we can't get rid of parking it would
be a detriment to uh businesses if we
were to in if we were to encourage
people to build buildings directly
without accounting for parking I used to
live on Capitol Hill where there were
tons of buildings being thrown up left
and right without any parking and now no
one can find parking in Capitol Hill you
have people that are parking as
squatters there it discourages use of
the business people will just drive
elsewhere if they don't have access and
so I think we have to be mindful of all
the goals of Issaquah not just the one
policy
because that this goal has to address
all the policies so yeah so to that I
like this group you all are so
thoughtful I make one last remark
regarding parking I hope is the last
remark
um
what about practical approaches to
parking I mean has anybody driven around
the parking lots in the highlands
I don't know if they're purposefully
designed to make it difficult to drive
in those parking lots you know the
planning areas that come out so far and
they're so narrow and I know the
developers Under Pressure to put so many
parking spots in
for some code what have you and
somewhere along the lines I mean the
parking lot sizes the sizes the cars
were reduced but my car is still the
same size
um so they could get more parking spots
in the place but I don't know how we
approach that um
and then I am a recreational bicycle
user and I ride my bike around uh on the
top of the hill on the plateau and go to
the QFC and uh do we require a certain
amount of bicycle parking spaces we do
it doesn't seem like it's enough though
so I don't know if that's appropriate to
put in here somewhere else we're talking
about bicycles
so just a thought and thank you very
much just just to follow up just on on
his comment about the Uplands
um size of parking
quickie
number one complaint
in the retail environment up there from
what I've been able to see
and I've talked to at least 10
I think I because I was just kind of
interested
Dick's Sporting Goods knows that area
and up in there yeah that that is their
number one complaint from customers
period
and they almost laugh about it when you
walk in
so it's it could cause some real
problems okay
it's a standard we're getting but it's
definitely worth discussing are we on
number six
are we on goal number six we're good to
go all right
prioritize non-motorized and Transit
oriented Mobility improvements and
Design Elements because of their climate
reduction benefits
now we talked about this one a few
minutes ago kind of and that
we will come we will have a
transportation environment section so
this will actually be there not under
transportation demand management but
comments regarding the goal yeah my only
comment would be it looks like goal six
could be rolled up into goal four
fairly easily because those are the
alternative modes of transportation I
think that are addressed and or some of
the alternative transportation
methods that are would be encompassed by
goal for so I don't know that it needs a
separate goal it seems that it would be
encompassed within goal four okay
so merge foreign
yes the alternative modes okay
anything else
Jump Right In thank you um does anybody
else want to question the the expression
climate reduction
um I'm not sure is that reducing the
climate well but climate reduction what
does that mean reducing the climate I
mean I don't know turning the thermostat
down I'm not seriously on the
temperature outside what about control
substituting climate reduction with
reduced carbon emissions I think it's
carbon reduction yeah it's perfect
reduction good catch
I was just throwing that in there and
see if you guys would catch it all right
for sure we want to combine them
I guess that's what I was that's what I
was looking at when I said hold on
because you said combine them but I'm
not sure that's the best answer
um
I just
as far as going back and looking at I've
been trying to sort it out because
Transportation demand management
techniques to achieve all this you know
the next school right there oh okay this
I wasn't okay
yeah they both have two different
outcomes yeah
it feels like they're different to me
um
and one and one goal is to reduce single
occupants the other one is is that's
right you know so that's that's kind of
a traffic goal the other one's an
environmental goal so they actually
they're two different goals
how about if I work on the two yeah it
actually makes a market nearly separate
and more clearly one is going to go with
the climate ones anyway though right so
that actually is going to move
right
number six is going with the climate
ones
environment ones
okay
seven
oh active transportation
the active Transportation Network
um
so this address is green streets Street
design maintenance and public Realm
and it's to the first goal the goal
seven ensure connections between all
modes of transportation throughout the
city so
that means make sure that your
safe and efficient non-motorized bicycle
routes
connect up to the transit center and
from the transit center you have a way
to get that last mile or you're walking
from the store
to the park and you want to make sure
that there's a safe path there so that's
what that means by connecting all modes
of transportation that it's not just
transit to cars we're trying to distorts
once you get to that place you have to
have safe connections everywhere yeah
but my only comment on that goal would
be to ensure and then add in and expand
so it kind of gives a maintenance width
and expansion to increase the
connections
okay
is that okay with people integration of
yes I saw maybe maybe not Trish and I
have had this discussion before uh what
do you do to get existing Property
Owners to buy into the uh to the uh
Central Issaquah plan uh apparently you
can't force people to sell uh evident
domain might be a tool in some respects
but it's uh yes the one thing that I
worry about when I look at the central
Issaquah plan is that uh it can only be
implemented with a cooperation of
existing property owners and uh how do
we incentivize existing profit existing
Property Owners to buy into the uh to
the central plan in terms of uh public
gathering places and green streets and
uh The Pedestrian walkways uh closed off
traffic streets and so forth ah you
can't do it without getting buy-in from
existing Property Owners right and we
you know we told people during the
process who were afraid that when the
central Issa crop land was adopted that
all of a sudden they were going to have
to make these changes and we made sure
no when you redevelop
you have to make these changes but not
if you're going to stay as you are
hmm all right and there's a couple that
are coming in and we're hoping that you
know there'll be a domino effect that
once the first one goes in then the
neighbors go wow that's pretty neat and
then they'll come in and you know they
all got a bump in zoning so they're all
worth more now so if they choose to
redevelop you know their values are
higher but it's just a process of the
market has to start churning and then it
takes off but we're still kind of in
that slow turn I think it's something we
need to think about in terms of
precipitating the process right one of
the council goals is to figure out an
anchor project because the council would
like to jump start it too but I mean
it's you can the government can only do
so much to try to get the the free
market to go but the council is looking
at other things too to get it to go
faster Redmond adopted their downtown
plan in the late 90s or early
2000s and it's just now taken off it's
flying but it takes a while right for
these
starter programs Catalyst projects to
get things going mm-hmm
yes Laura
okay
um what did we change ensure connections
to integration of integration between
okay
thank you you're welcome
okay
eight
so is it ensure and expand integration
between is that how it ended up yes okay
I just wanted to keep up thank you for
that I forgot to go over
okay number eight
almost halfway there
so are we looking at Financial
sustainability or this is still the
actual active Transportation Network
what
so when you talk about sustainability is
the financial no
where where are you seeing
sustainability number eight goal oh I'm
sorry
oh okay I'm sorry
um
no sustainability uh
kind of we need we're talking
maintenance programs so make sure that
what you build yes durability uh what's
the other word uh resilience yes okay
yes
okay so ensure sustainability of the of
the existing Transportation
infrastructure
yeah and I I would support some
clarification of that as well because I
had the same question because it sounds
like it could be fiscal sustainability
it could be environmental sustainability
of the network of the active
Transportation Network so I think if
reliability
of the existing Transportation
infrastructure might be a better term if
that's really what we're aiming for
I'll fly that by our Public Works
director who told me to put
sustainability in there but I will
reliability well you've got a short-term
issue here because of the cuts in uh uh
in plan Cuts in metro bus service that
will affect us as well as the whole
Greater Seattle area and with tokens
sustainability we we have to figure out
some way to to avoid these cuts for
starters
all right number nine
enable and encourage creative public
gathering spaces a long Transportation
corridors
yes I'm sorry that's okay your look was
found next to creative it's driving me
crazy
the comma yes oh it's not small I'm
sorry
Kendra you remind me of another former
PPC from former PPC member
foreign
public gathering spaces they are
all right
I fixed the comma are we good that's
okay
all right
Street Network
establish an integrated Street system to
provide alternative routes and reduce
congestion
so
try and get more good system in there as
opposed to cul-de-sacs or you can so
that you have more routes yes what does
that mean yeah that means try and so you
know oftentimes developers will want to
come in and put in a cul-de-sac
which takes keeps traffic off of that
street which is great for people who
live there but it puts it all on the
street whereas if you have a grid system
there are more options for people to
drive so the roads aren't quite as
congested
so can we say this
what I just said yeah will provide a
grid system with a high level of
interconnection that provides I mean the
connection part I think is what the
important part of that
yeah provide alternative routes and
reduce congestion it sounds like we
don't need connectivity yet so
established means you're starting from
scratch how about improve improve a grid
system
and I'd prefer a connected Street system
and rather than integrated
the other way beyond the other policy
once the other way from connected to
integrated okay so connected connect is
good yeah
okay and maybe maintain an enhance
or a connected Street system as opposed
to established because I agree that does
sound like we're missing
okay so maintain and enhance a connected
Street grid system
to provide alternative routes
and reduce congestion okay okay yeah I
kind of have a question that goes with
our street Network Issaquah has kind of
become like a pass through
at certain times of the day
um
by making this a goal are we encouraging
more of that
I think what it does is it gives local
drivers more options
the pass-through traffic is probably
going to take the same route anyway
they're going i-90.
but the local traffic has more options
so they get off of those more congested
routes and onto the local streets okay
does this does this mean signs like
local residents only or no this is sort
of like the under crossing that's by the
the under Crossing by the male by the
post office that was for local traffic
to get from side to side so you didn't
have to get on the freeway or try to go
over the freeway with all the regional
traffic time coming for that and so
we're trying to think of more places
where we can connect the grid system for
so the local folks can get around and
have alternative ways to not have to go
on sr900 or Front Street and so
um so that locals kind of get a break
when the regional folks you know are I
mean the magnet is I-90 and we're never
going to be able to stop that but if we
can figure out other ways for locals to
get around then I think it'll be happier
and for everybody and that was part of
the purpose of the Old Town circulation
plan is to find a better grid system
through there so that
the local residents don't always have to
go down Front Street with everybody else
okay
what what impact does this section have
on housing developments who the the
people that are looking for houses
prefer a cul-de-sac
for its uh traffic reduction and
um does
does this apply to that
it would be new it would be new
development unless unless you happen to
have a cul-de-sac that already has a
punch through on the on the plat which a
lot of them do if it's a vacant land
next to it they'll they'll leave sort of
a little a little stub if you will for
the next subdivision to go in and that
we you know would still happen that way
and hopefully when you bought there you
would know that it's really not a
cul-de-sac forever it's a stub to the
next neighborhood when that is built but
I don't think we would go into existing
neighborhoods and start blowing out
their cul-de-sacs it wouldn't be that I
meant more in terms of for future
development because people who are
looking for single-family homes in a
Suburban neighborhood
chances are a cul-de-sac would be a
something that they would want in terms
of mitigating the traffic that people
are cutting through to get to the other
off-ramp for the freeway or whatever
right how does this goal affect those
future development in terms of
um
allowing for cul-de-sacs is this
eliminate eliminate the possibility it
does not it does not eliminate and it
can't eliminate the possibility because
if you get up on the hillsides you know
we still have East Cougar Mountain which
is which is one of our potential
annexation areas which will eventually
someday develop and they're just
environmental constraints that you
simply can't do grid systems in some of
those places right but so we can't
prohibit but we would like to encourage
the grid system where we can sure okay
yeah thank you you're welcome
ready
okay 11. non-motorized Network
incorporate non-motorized projects as an
integral integral part of all roadway
projects
so in other words when you're designing
a street don't just design for cars
designed for pedestrians and bicycles as
well
I think the difficulty with that is
again uh if you're shopping the big box
stores or if you're shopping the
supermarkets bicycles it's pretty hot to
carry your parcels and bicycles unless
you've got a uh an attachment to your
bike at one time just
uh thinking out of the box if there was
some way that we could incentivize the
big box stores and the supermarkets to
deliver at a token price or
subsidized that would keep an awful lot
of cars off the streets I live on squawk
Mountain pretty far up and bicycling
particularly at my age is not an option
even walking is not an option it's great
downhill but you got to get back up and
that that creates its own difficulties
so unless we can find some sort of a uh
Jitney system to uh to service the uh
the mountains it's uh it's going to be
pretty hard to get cars off the streets
and to develop non-alternatives to
motorized Transportation this is insane
I think there are ways to do it but I
think the ways again are to incentivize
stores and uh
other places apartment houses perhaps to
provide Golf Course golf car type
transportation for local areas and
things like that these are ways to uh to
uh to reduce motorized Transportation
but we have to be thinking in those
terms I think and those are the ideas of
the you know having the apartments
provide that those are very good ideas
for you know for the alternative modes
of transportation as well and then but I
want to be clear that this one is not
saying design roads only for
non-motorized it's saying design roads
design the non-motorized in addition to
the streets that are there for cars and
trucks I have uh one one word answer to
Ray gondolas
gondolas
you know those things that go up in
gandolas
it's like in ski towns yeah like a ski
lift yeah Gondola who's going to
development
um
for a long time in several doesn't this
basically refer to bike paths along new
roadways yes it says on roadway projects
it's in addition to the Carson so I
would like to stay just to bring up
um and I mean that's a very good goal
and that in no way it takes away from
having roads anywhere
um and you know just encourages
sidewalks and bike lanes and whatnot but
I still would like to see uh
uh some wording about encouraging a
connected bicycle
Network and then we can add some
policies regarded regarding what kind of
uh basic bicycle lanes and whatnot we
would like to see in the city so a lot
of this is being addressed in the
mobility action plan and so next time
when we bring I'm going to incorporate
those policies and put all of our
existing policies in there as well so
we'll go through that then tune see how
that but you said the Mobility plan is
going to be this comes first right uh no
Mobility plan does it's almost done this
is Diego the chicken uh this is the
chicken but well it comes first so the
Mobility plan is almost done okay and
those policies are going to be
incorporated in here okay yes
yes
it's a a existing
example of this because I think it comes
to view when you think about this
the new road that we just talked about
that went under I-90 by the post office
they also put in bike route and walking
that's a very busy location a lot of
people use it is that what we're talking
about doing just as a visual
recommendation yes it is okay that's
what I thought
East Lake Sammamish Parkway they're
about to there's a design to put in an
extra southbound lane right before you
get to I-90 and in addition to the
southbound land they are also going to
put in bike lanes and a sidewalk
so
so I've got a question on on some of
these I don't have the existing comp
plan memorized here so most of the stuff
we have in here is
it's really carried over I don't know I
don't think a lot of it's very new so so
the question comes up if we have these
ideas were probably in the existing comp
plan so how are how did we not do these
things previously a lot of them are but
things have changed part of the reason
for the mobility action plan is because
Council two years ago said it's great
we've got policies and we've got maps in
place but it's not happening so part of
what the mobility action plan is is to
make those things happen to find funding
sources and
come up with new programs or incentives
to make those things happen
so you just confused me because you
talked about the Mobility plan and then
there's the it's the master plan that's
coming after this and now we have the
mass plans coming before this so the
wording is confusing okay yeah that's my
fault trying to get him to change the
name of the mobility action plan too so
the mobility action plan is
non-motorized it's a bike that Planet
Bike ped plan there you go that's that's
right so that may have been your
confusion there too I apologize versus
the so there is the currently there's a
Mobility action plan which is being
written it's actually the bike ped
non-motorized I still call it bike peg
in my mind Mobility is everything that
moves which is why I'm trying to get
them to change the name okay so but yeah
that was a confusion right so and you
know what it it's so ingrained in me I I
don't see a difference but yes so I'm
glad you clarified that because I'm too
deep into it yeah and so so I guess the
question on some of these things like I
hate to bring it up but the highlands
and and I don't think anybody's very
happy with the engineering design up
there at all for a whole lot of reasons
and that that's the newest thing we've
built and that obviously got around
any reasonable stuff that we're trying
to put in here so I guess the question
is how does that happen that something
you know
the variances that they get allowed they
are under different development
regulations
the all of the urban Villages so you
have the highlands and you have Talus
and they have rally which is actually
close to Central Issaquah Lakeside in
Central in central Issaquah those are
all actually under different development
regulations
so and you we've had a chance to see
what's worked and what hasn't worked
so we can make sure that what hasn't
worked doesn't happen down here but two
different parts of the city the point
though the development agreements for
the Thailand side on the Urban Village
Development commission as well the the
development agreements
sounds fantastic as I've said many times
I wish I lived there and I do but it
doesn't look at all like what the
development agreement said it would do
so the devil is in the details it's not
you know you can build you can have the
greatest goals you can even have good
policies it still doesn't mean that the
implementation is gonna
be what you want it to be that's very
true
and I did have one comment I think this
this might address Ray's Point um so
well for one I think we should change
the first word from an incorporate to
integrate uh just to kind of keep the
word inconsistent with the active
transportation change we did
um but but regardless of that I think
the concern may be
all roadway projects um you know if
we're doing a repair to a road on squawk
do we need to incorporate non-motorized
project with that
um it in those instances it may be
Overkill so if we're just integrating it
as part of an integral part of roadway
projects and not necessarily all roadway
projects than where or or maybe changing
it to
new roadway projects or major roadway
projects I don't know what major major
might work because I'm just thinking of
East Lake Sammamish Parkway where
they're getting ready to just redo part
of it but they're adding all this new
stuff non-motorized facilities
so but I see I see your point are you
saying that if we have a chance to build
a sidewalk we shouldn't build it
Road patch on a 20-foot section of you
know Ray's street is is that something
where we want to incorporate a sidewalk
on every roadway repair that we do
because roadway projects encompasses
roadway builds major Renovations and
fixing a pothole
so you know do we want to make it that
all-inclusive and that and that's my
only concern there is we may end up kind
of spinning our Wheels later on
um
over meeting goals on very small roadway
projects
okay
okay
I'll work on that one
um
because a pothole wouldn't be on the tip
but yeah but neither is a complete
Street project talk about potholes
uh so yeah
I'll talk to I'll talk to Sheldon and
see if he has any ideas too
yes
thanks I was going to suggest instead of
projects put Networks
because I don't know what a
non-motorized project is
about facilities
something I've been projects because it
just okay
so non-motorized facilities yeah
and then you brought up the issue so
that that like the highlands that was
part of the Urban Village yes they're
under how to develop different set of
rules so
we don't have anything we can do to
encourage that those development
processes
no they're locked in no they're yeah
they're locked which is very sad
because they have biplines happening
right now and you still the
opportunities for public input on
several
um some of the the the ones that are
closer to um the Highland tribe
so there's a few few left in you know
public input is always welcome
but I think they're coming that we don't
have any input I mean we agreed to those
plans there's just separate than this
the developers
so we we had input to them correct and
then the answer was no one that's not as
Chantal said they do have the ubdc where
there is public time for public
participation and comments
no
it was just two two years ago there's
still seven parts of it next side
happened separately from the highlands
Raleigh just happened three years ago
three years ago two years ago so it's
still it's still happening right and it
just
all right are we ready for goal 12. I
have silver 11 I have I'm going to work
on it I'll figure out instead of all
roadway projects a way to Encompass
everything but maintenance
um but in a great non-motorized
facilities as a part of
all roadway projects okay
could do Capital but the problem is is
if you do just Capital complete streets
isn't included in that in complete
streets is where your sidewalks get
completed and so I gotta I've got to
fiddle with that one so okay
um
12. ensure all facilities are accessible
to people of all ages and abilities
I agree with that gold but I I'm sorry
go right ahead no no I just wanted to
ask safely
add the safe safety accessibility
uh safe and accessible oh I see I would
think if you just said comply with Ada
guidelines that encompasses everything
including safety
does there are other things though that
you can do like putting the landscape
buffer between the sidewalk and the cars
makes people who are walking on the
sidewalk feel a lot safer and you can do
cycle tracks as opposed to cycle lane or
bike lanes that are buffered so you're
right Ada is covers a lot
but there are some additional things
that can be done but safety is not
addressed there and what the examples
you just gave were right I'd be adding
safety to the department right
okay so yeah I put safe and accessible
to all people of Ages people of all ages
and abilities
anything else
and then I do have the new goal
encourage you connected bicycle Network
and I would assume Chantal you would
also want to encourage a connected
pedestrian pipe Network okay
okay
yes I wrote them as separate separate
goals okay
I'm listening okay
it's next
oh
right there I thought I'd see it sorry
Transit Network
this one's um
I feel like there should be more goals
here but I looked at it but as you all
know King County Metro
is a bit in flux right now and
I sit on the transportation committee
for the city the transportation Mobility
committee and there are so many things
flying around like right now I feel like
this is going to get bigger and Bolder
later but
for now this was safe to put in there
but I'd like to add something I think
major to this because
um the concept of Transit here in
Issaquah is right now as you as you're
mentioning we are feeling like
you know um I don't know what you want
to call it but we have no no say almost
I mean things are just being taken away
and leaving us with nothing so somehow I
want to say Issaquah has the power to
take care of themselves if if no one
else is going to do that so somehow I
want to develop do we have the ability
to take transit inter on hands if what
happens with Metro right now leaves us
with nothing but getting out of you know
a Transit Center into some other town
and there's no way around
our our town and there's no real you
know connection if you can't get to one
point in town
we have we have no Transit so I I
somehow look to say if we're really
going to be abandoned then we want to
have something here that says let's
let's do something to enforce that issue
so Monday night at 5 30 on the 16th
the transportation Mobility group is
presenting in this room to the council
infrastructure committee on that very
topic
and oftentimes they allow for public
comments so if you would like to come to
that just thought I'd give you a heads
up since you brought it up it's on TV
too right if they want to uh this one I
don't the committee meetings usually
aren't because it's from 5 30 to 6 30.
we're doing it here because the council
meeting is right after so
um just thought I'd give you a heads up
one way to do that would be to develop
our own Dash system I don't know if
you're familiar with Dash it's uh it's a
popular uh approach and many larger
communities but again you're getting
down to financing and uh if we're going
to do it how are we going to pay for it
well that's what that's it I want to put
something in our our comp plan that says
we can take it's a tasks we can go to we
can go to FTA we can find all that
there's the federal funds that are being
paid to this area and if they're not
going to be spent in this area then
there's ways we can we can deal with
that so there's just I mean it's it's
not easy but no nothing it's easy you
can't say then then we're our own
community and then we stand on our own
and we have to fight I buy into that
completely Bill if we can do it you
can't leave us sitting on the on the
bench going uh sorry so I see where
you're going with that I think and I've
got it written down but I also want to
see what happens Monday night the
difficulty again and I don't want to
sound negative is the trade-offs and and
uh is it education or is it
Transportation can we have both and how
do we pay for it if you can go to school
you don't have any
and that's that's what we're facing
we're facing the realities of
funding versus need
yeah and so maybe a goal to address uh
that would be maybe ensure uh
maintenance of a robust uh transit
system within Issaquah okay
um and that kind of leaves it open to
try to develop it however we can if we
can
um you know if we're stuck with what the
county has given us we're stuck without
the county has given us if we have the
ability to fund something through
federal or state dollars we can utilize
that one other goal I thought of and and
I don't know if this is a problem um I
haven't been I walk to Salmon days so
but during high volume Events maybe we
have increased share of trips made by
transit but also maybe increase use of
Transit during high volume events
or encourage
so um
we do have a shuttle system and I'm not
sure if it's underutilized or at
capacity or I'm not sure I just don't
have their institutional histories are
you talking about route 200
right what we're doing for shuttles or
whether we have we work we're working
with Metro to increase runs during those
times no I think uh in fact I think just
off the top of my head one of the things
we can think about is uh how do we
utilize the school buses that uh that
are idle between nine o'clock and two
o'clock uh can we utilize them for uh
for a dash type uh system as a starter I
don't know if it's possible let's get us
off the top of my head but uh
okay I I wonder
tell you under the funding models that
that's going to create a whole lot of
algebra for someone
one of the issues that's been I've been
struggling with related to Transit I
live in the highlands the bus is my
primary mode of transportation to work
and in between as well as much as I can
um there's more and more people coming
to the highlands there's no I mean
there's no concurrency I guess between
us between Transit and and I think I've
mentioned that before and I know that
concurrency cannot deal with operational
costs but I'm still struggling to find a
way that there's some kind of a process
that can happen between transits and
letting more people move into a place
you know when you start by having buses
then you have to stand then you have to
stand in very weird position because
people are pushing you from every
direction uh you you know you bag on top
of your head and whatnot because at
solar space days of five buses go in
front of you when you're trying to get
home and it takes you you know an hour
and a half when it should be taking you
20 minutes there is definitely an issue
that goes beyond the
Metro funding because the buses have not
been cut yet and yet we are over
capacity in a lot of areas so and yet
people are still coming and a lot of
people are moving to the highlands
because of the it's a Transit dependent
area they're expecting transits they are
being promised Transit and yet there
will be no transit for them or they will
be very uncomfortable transit for them
so I'm struggling to see how to address
that but I to me it's a very important
issue that needs to be somehow looked at
so just to be clear is it um
not allowing
those types of developments unless
you're certain that the transit is going
to be there well you can't do that
because it's already allowed so well but
in the future yeah I mean it's kind of a
concurrency type thing right like you
have if you don't have sewer you cannot
have people if you don't have enough
Transit capacity you can't have people I
I don't know it's right maybe it's you
pay into a Transit fund that helps the
city bring more in for those areas or
yeah I like the term Transit concurrency
I mean we have we don't have control
over it like we do roadway but
um it's something to think about how we
could try to get more control over that
right
all right anything else on Transit right
now
more to come
one more thing yes sorry
um it's uh so these the these the old
part of Transit which is
um which is having the buses but there's
also the one of the things that eases uh
the availability of Transit is having
roads and in the infrastructure that is
that supports that so not sure what the
terms are for that but having
um roles that you know preferential
nights so that buses can turn in you
know the so that they can go faster so
that they can cost less money so that we
they don't get get cut to the same
extent right when we were doing uh we we
have uh Transit identified routes but we
haven't gone far enough with that right
these are found around on 900 right and
we talked to Metro about that when we
were doing central Issaquah that was one
of their comments is we had gone far
enough so that would be part I would
imagine it um of the mobility Master the
big one the mobility master plan not the
non-motorized
yeah but you're right it hasn't been
addressed enough and we could put that
in here okay okay
running out of space
okay
sorry thank you
um
what about making some kind of a mention
of
um working with other small cities in
the area to
make sure that our
issaquah's Transit
um
is uh
I don't know works together with let's
say Sammamish Transit because
it's I feel like that might be missing
from one of our
well we have Regional coordination
which is to collaborate with our
neighboring municipalities King County
and other agencies
so we do have it I would think okay
sorry all right
okay Finance
invest strategically in transportation
so part of that is coming through our
funding strategies that's being done
right now by our consultant
and will be included in the plan but
it's
identifying you know coming up with a
three-year
project and funding plan
so that you know where it's coming from
and my only uh addition there would be
that to make sure that we're investing
strategically with long-term cost-saving
goals in mind okay
um because you know it's good to have
the three-year plan but
the the case in point when Seattle had
the opportunity to put in a Subway
what
80 years ago something like that and and
it didn't come to fruition and now we're
spending billions on a tunnel to
mitigate some of that so looking at
those investment opportunities as well
okay
one of the key elements of strategy is
uh priorities and timetable and I would
look at it from the standpoint of top
priority immediately is safety secondly
is moving traffic efficiently
removing bottlenecks on Front Street and
Issaquah and Hobart Road that's
immediate
that exists right now and but again
looking at strategy you look at
timetables and you look at how do you do
it financially and otherwise
and you said you said safety and moved
traffic and then the pinch points sort
of onto a Hobart Road and then there was
one other one you mentioned
front okay
thank you
okay
last one are we going to prioritize
those like that so the
because I would prioritize the 200
persons the non the non-motorized
projects have been prioritized and yes
that it would be part of the three-year
uh
I can't think of what it's called but
it's a three three year plan and I
believe that yes those are prioritized
that's something that the council has
asked for yes
all right 15.
collaborate with this across neighboring
municipalities King County and other
agencies to address Regional impacts and
issues
so this gets into sharing Transit
finding ways to cooperate Road
improvements non-motorized improvements
yes the
thing something about
um in I'm sorry going back to goal 15
investing strategically in
transportation would that be where we
would also include
um
trying to apply for Grants whenever
possible
is that would that be more of a policy
it is it's more of a policy and I can
think of two
that are not in here yeah one would be a
new one and one's an old one so yes
that's file under policies okay I was
thinking yeah rather than just
investment money but also finding free
money
am I good
that's transportation
okay
good job good job
lounges
what time is it
right we'll get started on this we'll
see what happens
to follow me
did someone just call me
no Kristen yes
isn't she awesome
all right
okay I'm second Phil you're more than
welcome to come second fiddle no no
you're doing awesome okay
uh Landy Solomon
I just shrank about two inches I had to
fix that uh
I
so this is what was sent to you so I
went through we went through and made
the changes to the goals that we talked
about last time put in the policies that
are there or the policies that existed
change some of them added a few I have
to warn you and you may have noticed
when you were looking diligently through
your packets and taking notes that I
actually added quite a few under natural
environment we started looking at it and
realized there were just a lot of things
missing there were too many policies
that needed to be addressed and it
needed to be broken up so that's what
happened there so
I'm going to skip the growth management
act since we went through that last time
and we can't change that
but first category
natural environment
so maintain and enhance the natural
systems and features which used to be
amenities of the City and surrounding
area than I added from the potentially
negative impact of human activities
included but not limited to Land
Development
am I good
so yes oh do you have one I don't want
to
touch on every single policy
so is it okay did everybody have a
chance to look at this
so you have comments ahead of time
so I'll just kind of go A1
A2 and if there are comments you guys
jump in and let me know okay
all right
A1
yes regarding A1 just on the second line
I I would
like to see protection and promotion so
again a maintenance element and then a
forward-looking element
hang on I had to turn on review let's
see against
where did let's see could you second
line uh protection and promotion
look at that
okay A2
significant trees
that's not capitalized so that's not
defined
so I don't know what a significant tree
is oh actually it is it is defined and
yeah it's a certain size it's actually a
regulatory system the diameter diameter
yeah I think it's the diameter of a tree
but yeah but it is defined perfect yeah
okay
A2
A3
regarding A3
um I don't know if this can be added but
um
clustering of buildings within
developments I I would I would just add
to do it in line with neighborhood
character
I think that's just important to make
sure that when we're adding these things
that it's
at least got the look and feel of the
surrounding neighborhood can we do that
I'm thinking Anderson
say it again uh the suggestion was to do
in line with neighborhood character
and I think that's more of in the land
use code when we look at each of them
that comes in to do a cluster we make
sure that
um it's you know that the densest part
isn't on the neighbor's fence line of a
the lower density we do that kind of
review when we actually look at the plot
or the sorry Division and are you
talking densities are you talking look
I'm I'm talking look and feel the
Leavenworth yeah issue where the
incoming
um things you know I I have no problem
with putting in high density
Apartments but when they look completely
out of place to the rest of the
neighborhood I don't know if that's
something that can be incorporated or
not as a goal what do you think
I'm just thinking Anderson
um
well maybe we'll kind of do an asterisk
and yeah we'll have to check trying to
figure out how to say what you're trying
to say without
going the other way with the lawsuit
that yeah
yes
so the comp plan affects the zoning code
and usually when you go through a
development the zoning code is what kind
of guides a development do we ever look
at the zoning code and provide any input
on that yes whenever we amend it you do
through you there's an annual docket of
comprehensive plan amendments and
there's an annual document of land use
code amendments okay so those will come
to you so like we're going through a
review of the comp plan right now do we
ever go through a review of the zoning
code nothing about the whole thing but
when amendments come through they all
have to go through you right so it's
just looking at that specific Amendment
okay right and it depends on um and this
year I'm not sure if we're going to get
to do any this year because this is
keeping us so busy right but it's
usually something some error that we've
found or something that isn't quite
clear you know let's say that Justin
mentioned we realize we actually have a
plant go through and it's not turning
out the way we thought it would like
Chantal said even though you think
you've written it for every situation it
seems like the second guy in the door
it's like oh we didn't think of that and
so then we take the code back to you and
try and rewrite it and make it clearer
right okay it'd be nice to go through
the whole thing though someday but
but that's a really nice idea but not
quite yet but maybe sometimes I'm just
thinking if you know if all of us have
ideas of like okay we can want to change
the code when there's the opportunity to
do that right and we certainly put them
on the docket when there's issues that
that you guys bring up or our planners
bring up or applicants bring up and we
try to get to them in whatever priority
order we can do them and the state also
this year
um
so they said you have to update your
comp plans this year but oh at the same
time you had to do an audit of your
languages code this year to make sure
it's state compliant so there's a little
ensuring of consistency that's going to
happen this year as part of that audit
and that's kind of what I thought is
that you know these policies is what
guide the zoning code so you know if
these change how do we ensure that the
zoning code gets changed so that it's
this is reflected right right
I don't know whether this comes under
goals or policies but do we have any uh
standards for extern exterior
development exterior appearance to make
sure that it uh it's compatible with the
surroundings and environmentally
attractive and uh
and so forth some of the stuff that's
been built lately uh certainly wouldn't
conform with with my image of Issaquah
and I think many peoples and I would
hate to see a kind of development where
you have glass factories that are called
offices or residences
do we have standards that uh are land
use code addresses standards and it
regrets IT addresses durability and
quality and windows and
where those can and can't be and how
long solid walls can be and where you
have to have breaks and all that
um
but you can't get too subjective
you know you can't say well I like frat
moves and I like pointed roofs we can't
require one or the other about
appearance standards not
right they're design standards we have
the green sheets in most of the city and
then Central Issaquah has its own
standards and we also have standards for
the for Front Street and Sunset and of
course the the urban Villages have their
own I know we have it for old town but I
wasn't sure about the other areas yep we
do
A4
A5
A6
A7
yes
allow P patches that kind of thing that
goes on to an empty lot like a hobby
Farm
something's not a huge kind of a
a deal but a
and I actually had that same reading I
was thinking a small scale at some of
the farms you see out on Issaquah Hobart
like I thought that was a small scale
farm so I wasn't thinking pea patches
and and urban Farmers I was thinking
small scale agriculture Opera operations
okay
um so I don't know if that wording can
be clarified at all or if we're
encouraging both that's
well I think it it it
describes something that exists out
there that's not necessarily under the
hobby Farm I mean most of the Farms like
on Issa Oklahoma throat would be
qualified as Hobby Farms I think right
but small scale is maybe something
different that may not be covered by
that
yeah I'm thinking of it I'm not familiar
with the hobby Farm but I'm thinking of
a single-family house that was taken
down for some reason and nothing else
goes up so you put in a small garden you
know a Pea Patch kind of Garden right or
if you have enough land that you could
have we have our land use code have
certain acreages that you need to have
an alarm or alpaca or you know something
like that and so I think this would
allow those kinds of things I guess
instead of Agriculture maybe that is a
hobby farm and agriculture would be
you know if you have someone come in for
400 chickens for a chicken farm or
something I don't know if we'd be in
favor of that a greenhouse for example
greenhouses are allowed yeah that would
be horticulture
oh not any months right that's true and
taking out small scale doesn't prohibit
small scale I just
does this cover unincorporated areas no
oh no they would not be any right okay
there's not
yeah there's not a lot of areas around
still but
okay we'll revisit this one
okay
A8
A9
I'm I'm confused about A9
um it says continue to prohibit the
inappropriate conversion
what are we saying because earlier you
said that East Cougar Mountain is going
to get developed eventually
so what what are we exactly saying here
is to the developer that they can't put
in single family housing on quarter acre
Lots anymore
sorry I'm reading it one second
um
that's actually a good way to interpret
that yeah that is a good way to
interpret that I've never read it that
way before um this is one of the the
pieces of growth management is that um
they were sprawling oh there was all
this development sprawling past Urban
places where you could provide water and
sewer and so you'd see these five acre
tracks being turned into
um developments that the cities couldn't
serve and so
um
this is kind of
yeah it makes our zoning code you can't
do that anymore maybe it would be
continue to discourage
inappropriate conversion and low
development housing in inappropriate
circumstances I mean because if we do
develop a
Forest I mean it's not going to go all
condos
right
yeah we'll have to we'll highlight that
one
um
yeah the uh the GMA the GMA goal says
prevent sprawling low density
development so I'll have to let's figure
out how to I think that was probably you
know the bright line I know you know
four units per acre kind of thing I know
we'll work on this one yeah I also
wonder about the the phrase
establishment of minimum densities
yeah that's growth management
we use your land efficiently minimum
densities to use your land efficiently
because we're in the urban growth
boundary
and so we're supposed to use the land
you know smart growth and using it
efficiently so that we can have a
boundary that then it's Rural and
preserved on the other side
so if I had 10 acres for example and I
just wanted to subdivided into five and
build two nice homes instead of putting
in a cluster
of less expensive
apartment buildings
that's what that means well it depends
what your zoned first of all your 10
acres if you're 10 acres is zoned you
know mixed use that you're that putting
one house on each of the five in the
middle of downtown
wouldn't be the best use of that land
you wouldn't have to do anything with it
if it's vacant now and you just have one
house you could be like that forever and
there's nothing the city could do
but we can try and encourage you though
when you do develop it that it would be
an efficient use of land it just sounds
like it flies in the face of what we're
trying to avoid you know terms like
carbon emissions and increased traffic
and and you know sewage treatment and
water supply I I don't know why restrict
a developer in the minimum standards if
he wants to go a different route that's
all I'm saying I I don't right and it's
because we're in an urban we're on the
urban side of the urban line that we're
supposed to be using I think we
we're not saying I are you saying that
you think that this means that we have
to keep low density
it says an establishment of minimum
densities
that's the phrase I don't so you
density should be higher within a gross
boundary
well I'm just saying why would you why
would we say you have to have four
instead of two
okay when two is better for the
environment
not if the two are going to go move
outside or the urban growth boundary
well for example is East Cougar Mountain
within the urban
plan to where
you have to build
high density housing or are the
developers going to be allowed to build
single-family homes right in that case
question that's the question I have
right in that case because there's so
many critical areas they would probably
have to do low density just like the
Tibbetts Creek Valley is still low
density because you couldn't put a lot
on there because the land just can't
carry it with the wetlands and the
stream buffers and all of that so you've
raised a good point that sometimes it's
the land that helps us with the density
not you know not the um
the minimum it's the um
but for example if you're on Gilman
Boulevard and you're you know you're
taking down whatever it is and you just
want to build a house on you know five
acres on Gilman Boulevard I think people
would you know there's no constraints
there's no
um so we would want you to use the land
as efficiently as possible in in that
case but it depends on you know this is
one of those General statements that's
that the zoning code then piece by piece
where you're located helps us Define
what you would do what we would do so I
would have a question on that so if you
own that 10 acres and he wanted to
subdivide it would he have to subdivide
to a four lot I mean if that was it all
depends where you sound if he's if he's
next to Kelly Ranch he's on one acre 1.2
units per acre because it's constrained
it's Wetland it's stream buffer but if
you're on Gilman Boulevard your retail
mixed use and and you can go all the way
up to
I don't even know what the zoning is for
125 feet right and so it all depends
where his 10 acres are right so it's
based on your zoning if it was zoned a
certain thing you can right right and
we've zoned we hope that we've zoned
places to to recognize what kind of land
it is for the carrying capacity and the
constraints and um so that we're not
trying to mess with anybody and make
them do a lot more than they would want
to do
so if the zoning defines that why is
that phrase necessary
is this as Paul said this is supposed to
be the overarching guidelines for the
zoning code this is supposed to help
inform the zoning code you have maximum
standards now but you don't have minimum
standards am I correct correct we have
yeah okay uh you're proposing I suspect
to have minimum standards as well
and would you carry it further in terms
of redeveloping the commons for instance
and the QFC shopping center into
something like the Lake Hills
development which is multi-use they tore
down all of the single story
um
stores and they're building a multi-use
complex
right so far the only place that's the
way I would interpret the central
Issaquah plan Vision right exactly are
we talking Redevelopment or eventual
eventually doing that because there's a
difference right and the only place now
that has minimum standards minimum floor
area ratio is the urban core which is
the the central part of the central
Esquire area that there is a minimum far
that we require in the urban core but
the rest of the city you know we're not
there yet to have minimum minimum
development requirements so that would
be the goal
to someday have it for the whole city
yeah
we may get there at least with the
central Issaquah court the total is
right we already have it for that and if
the growth supports it I mean if we
don't have the growth that will
necessitate those excuse places they're
not going to get built right well maybe
the next comprehensive plan that would
be developing all of the uh rally
one-story office structures along Gilman
which I'm sure he'll do anyway as the
market uh calls for it right he has this
development agreement so he's ready when
the market is
well the whole Central Issaquah plan
assumes that there'll be a market for
what we're proposing to do right yes
it just takes some time
my question
excuse me is this going to run in the
face of
and I'll use an example
in our neck of the woods up in the
um
plateau
where King County will look at an R6
verses in our four
and they'll allow high density
construction and I mean high density
Construction
even though half of the land
is
unbuildable
so they're cramming the amount of
buildings in a in an area half the size
of what it should normally be
in requirements by zoning and it's
happening right now so I don't know is
this going to have an impact on that
kind of an approach we have go ahead oh
you're gonna go no go ahead and our
zoning code now allows partial transfer
if you have critical areas on your land
you're allowed to it's a sliding scale
you know if you're 80 percent critical
you can transfer a little bit of that
and what's left that's developable
developable not the whole thing but part
of it
um but so so we already have that kind
of a sliding scale in existence I don't
really know how King counties works if
they get a complete one-to-one when they
transfer it but ours we don't allow the
the full the full
transfer to the to the developable part
we only allow a portion of it okay I'm
good
A10
I feel like I'm playing bingo
all right
all right I added this one maintain an
overall tree canopy of at least 50 to
offset the urban heat island effects and
reduce carbon dioxide emissions this was
in our discussion but we didn't have any
goals on trees which is a was a couple
years ago a huge Council priority what
is the current canopy uh it depends on
which thing you look at we're either at
47 point something percent or 51 percent
right I always think of 51. but it's
both in the comp plan it depends on
which method you use right
the question I had when you put a 50
tree canopy
um
you know how did you say you measure
that throughout the whole city yes you
know and then you're looking at who's
going to take the brunt of that when
lack of tree canopy is also our Parks
which are big open grass fields there's
no true canopy and those types of things
a lot lots of places don't have tree
candy because they're still vegetated
and so where that comes down to when you
know a couple people have some trees you
know some big old duck Furs that they
need to come down and they look like a
significant tree because they're big and
they'll grow big again very quickly but
who gets stuck with that
that 50 goal because the city's using up
a lot of it itself well we we have a
anytime anybody wants to cut down a tree
they have to come in and get a tree
permit and it's reviewed by the arborist
so it may be too big it may be able to
come down because it's unhealthy and it
may fall over land on a house but we may
look at it and say nope that's that's a
significant tree it can't come down so
we do have staff that monitors this as
we go and then as developments come in
we look at it there as well
we also have programs where we replant
trees like we were just down by the um
the dam we had such fun talking about it
all week by where the dam got removed
and the the Weir was put back in and
there's all that tree planting that so
we do a lot of restoration whenever we
can we usually do them annually to try
to put trees back in places that need
them or just to try to keep the canopy
going because we know it's not all
publicly owned tree canopy that it is
also with the residents and so we we try
to do our part to keep planting them as
well
so is that if someone were to try to get
a tree permit could they
would they have to have a requirement to
plant x amount of trees or it depends on
the situation sometimes I think you're
allowed
oh this goes back a few years I think
you're allowed to take down three in a
year but it was two in a year be wrong
um it's it's kind of a cumulative thing
that we figured out and I can't it's
been a while
um and sometimes depending on what it is
we ask that either you replant in some
other place on your yard like if it's
all of a sudden going under your
sidewalk or it's Wrecking your driveway
or if it's um we ask in depending on the
case if you could plant one somewhere
else and if you can't you know we
understand that too it depends so much
depends on the lot yeah and um but we
try to to keep planning you know we have
a street tree program we try to plant it
in as many places as we can
yes
I'm wondering what how that goal
um helps us retain our tree City
USA title
and is there any way to
somehow mention that we want to continue
to remain
within that category we will make that a
policy
and and I just guess I we're putting it
you said this is a new one and a 50
number
there should be some science behind that
no there is science behind it we have we
have one or two studies that were done
that actually we have and that'll be in
the discussion it'll be in the
discussion portion right above that a
lot of this was pulled from the
discussion it was just discussion so it
didn't mean as much so now we're trying
to make policies
yeah the next version you see of this
will have all the discussion in it so it
little by little it's getting longer and
longer
okay
B1
B2
yes
identify trees in our Urban okay
no it does not no
not for the tree canopy no yeah
not under this section for landscaping
yes but this is just the tree canopy
B3
B4
goal C
added this one as well
conserve and protect environmental
environmental sorry and I can't say it
environmental critical areas from loss
or degradation maintain as open space
hazardous areas and significant areas of
steep slopes undeveloped shorelines and
wetlands
areas
is this the OZO problem essentially
Steve that was the first thing it was
steep slopes come to mind yes
and we also have here a coal mine areas
yeah just think hazardous tends to refer
more to man-made things in general
so I don't know if it doesn't sound like
we're talking about environment
hazardous deals with hazardous materials
more so I wouldn't need a better word
there I think
does that work maintain
yeah I would be in favor of keeping the
word hazardous just from
I know that
in the in the reports from oh so they
were they actually identified hazards
Associated naturally so and I know that
it's used in those areas
can I get a general consensus here leave
or remove hazardous I would like to
leave it too I think it's it's not
identified in the critical area
ordinance it's in the head centers I'd
have to look Define and I'd have to look
better call me
Trish did you get that one to look for
so we're I think we're leaving it in but
I'm going to also look for the
definition in the critical area
ordinance
okay uh
C1 sorry lost my place for a second C1
foreign
okay all right C2
C3
C4
C5
to C4 for a moment yes
that's yes
um the one with the buffer yeah that's
it allow three development in the buffer
in whether it's a legal non-conforming
situation can you explain that
legal now I'm conforming so a house was
built within a buffer and then or not
within a buffer say a house was built
it's next to the creek it was built
outside of the buffer that existed at
that time but then the regulations
changed and all of a sudden the house
was within the buffer what would be
allowed this these days so this would be
grandfatherine right from Grandfather
yeah and that is a legal definition
within the GMA what about one of the
Telus property at the
Water Tower built in a buffer would that
be a non-conforming
situation as well the which one one of
the Italian Parcels that were approved
recently by the council had a water
tower built in a buffer and we wondered
why that was the case
would that be an example of a I mean it
could have been built anywhere else but
it was a lot to be built in the in the
buffer right I don't know about that one
yeah and if it was allowed to be built
there then it wouldn't be legally
non-conforming somehow it was
conditioned to be okay there conditions
and I don't know
how maybe it was mitigated or the buffer
you know it was buffer averaging or
something I don't know the specifics but
but usually legally non-conforming means
that something happened after it was
built to make it to make the legal
status change
C5
C6
Goldie also added
she's looking for more work improved
storm water quality and management over
current conditions
I don't think we need the over current
conditions I think it just the
Improvement is Improvement it's always
improvement's always going to be over
curtain it's assumed okay
are we good with that
could live dangerously and say are there
any changes to all of the D policies
I was just thinking the same thinking of
doing them as a group
okay
Living Dangerously are we good with the
D policies
D3
that I believe that's based on the
assessment isn't that do you know right
based on based on the King County
Assessor data
and where the property valued is is it
50 and well what does that mean
well there's best available science and
then there's the buffers
need water
but it's actually like a legally defined
um phrase unreasonably is legally
Legally defined phrase by the shoreline
master
the stormwater code is so who decides
what unreasonably means
it would be through the code provisions
but I don't know if it's King County or
the state
oh it's that we have to we have to be
consistent with them
I'll look it up what's the matter that
does not limit
development
well
we can we'll look that up because that's
yeah I'll look it up storm water is kind
of tricky
I've had a lot of experience working on
building codes and phrases like that
provide a lot of work for lawyers
right if that was in the code I would be
worried but since this is sort of the
overarching direction but we'll look
that up
I can ask Carrie about that
anything else with d
all right e
added
enhance wetlands in the riparian
corridors of the city's creeks and
streams to improve environmental
functions and fish and wildlife habitat
so we've been doing Tibbetts restoration
and whenever developments come in
they're required to restore and the city
has been doing some restoration work
okay any questions about the goal or e
okay
climate control
this was edited encouraging Innovative
climate Solutions which Advanced the
city towards a carbon neutral community
any comments or questions on F
policies I I do have a couple under F1 I
think we should ensure that the targets
are objective targets meaning that we
have you know hard scientific numbers
that we're looking at those are not
picked by us those are actually mandated
by the state okay
and then um
under oh wait I'm wrong I'm thinking
different targets okay objective targets
the greenhouse gas one to me
oh I see targets to limit not the actual
Target itself okay
okay
um so what was the word objective
and then trying to read my own writing
here
so I will see to other people on these
as
try to figure out what I said
okay anything else on F for a second
while he's looking
F3 where'd 80 come from
King County goal yeah so we aligned with
a lot of the jurisdictions in King
County
to do 80 percent
by 2050.
where are we at right now
we can check that would be
um sustainability office keeps track of
that
F5 we use the same language we
eliminated once before with climate
reduction
have you found it yes I did figure out
what I was talking about uh under uh to
a
um I would I would add and incorporate
alternative energy or renewable energy
so not only using less energy but
incorporating it in in the buildings
where possible
um
I'll use less energy to be
and and I don't know that may be
Superfluous I'll you know I'll see the
others on that
um and then
under I would recommend adding a new
section g incorporating
um waste and water
recycling
um oh also under D sorry go down in
order here incorporate recycle or
reclaimed under D under D yeah so not
just recycling but also just reclaiming
Woods you're not necessarily just using
recycled materials you can also use
reclaimed materials encourage that that
would be a new policy uh no I'm not
quite sure you just be incorporating
recycled or reclaimed materials
F2 F2 F2 Delta oh sorry U yeah sorry F2
okay
okay
recycled and reclaimed right there yeah
yeah
was that it and then adding a new
section g there
to incorporate uh Wastewater recycling
corporate Wastewater
recycling yes yes
at the building and infrastructure level
okay I had a question on f2d is in Delta
what does the phrase and locally
produced materials mean
can we really do that or within uh 50
mile Radiance yeah or uh you know within
a that's kind of a it helps with gas you
know to not do the gas production if
you're Trucking something in from Mexico
or if you're bringing it in from Canada
or to try to get things as local as
possible to help with the um the message
is Under The Heading of encouraging it's
not saying
right it's not saying that you but
that's part of being a lead building is
how close your um your building
materials come from the site
contractors would do that anyway if it
was cheaper yeah it's cheaper too
um under F7
I don't know that we'd want to limit it
to just the puget's to just pse's green
power program and maybe expand the
wording of that to include knowledge and
participation in state and federal green
Pro green Alternative Energy programs
because I know there are things you know
pse's level and then as well as state
and federal levels as well
okay
all right anything else on F
on F5
um
Lobby for regional and Statewide regs
which match the city's climate reduction
would greenhouse gases reduction be
better
I'm leaving it up to him
looking to you
carbon units
yeah
there's nothing other than climate I
just we
changed it to carbon
should use the same thing to also Urban
emissions or something
regarding FNG I'm wondering why G2 is in
is not enough Wait f f and g where the
G2
should be in F
G
I'm I'm confused under f
yeah oh you're saying that this policy
you think should go under F yes
okay
um
in fact in looking at these I had the
same thing circled I had G1 G2 and G3
um
more relating to
um climate than General sustainability
these were I'll check these were
by our sustainability office of
sustainability
and I'll check with them and see
why they were separated and what right
the well we I'd wait until we get into G
okay
no can I say
so one of the
I always have
um
concerns about using sustainability as
uh equivalent to Environmental
policies which it's not these are all
green policies they're not sustainable
policies to round up the sustainability
we shouldn't add to those the community
health policies that are a little
further so for me if I'm talking about
sustainability I also want the people to
be happy as well as the the nature so
they want gathering places I want
um you know the
happy environment for me as well as for
the right the three-legged stool exactly
right okay
so those are green green party seeds
basically
okay
the goal is not but the policies are
okay
okay
see what you're saying okay because yeah
last time we changed it to include
social economics right in the gold but
that the policies as the losses okay is
there anything else on G
would like to see real sustainability
policies
environmental sustainability policies
and social okay I'll see you one so
there's a few later in later on that
could be moved up and
okay
all right
anything else on G on G7 I just had a
question how often
should the
Word program be evaluated and presented
and I'd add make sure you add strategic
in front of work programs so it's
consistent with the earlier
language
okay
Trish do you know how long how often the
evaluations are supposed to occur no I
don't that's a good question okay we
again
we will find out
anything else on G
h
I was presented to the lab for and
accommodate growth in a manner that is
fiscally responsible responsive to the
community and enhances and protects the
natural environment
I had one comment on H6
um
incorporating
um
neighborhood safety in that
um
so I and I just added to the end so
maybe neighborhoods comma open space
comma and safety
wait oh sorry I put it in the wrong
place
there we go
okay
anything else on H
it's a long one
all right I oh wait um
that's going too fast that's okay so uh
each seven I was trying to figure out
how to say that
um
I had a policy I was looking at for more
Transportation which is basically to
um the primary purpose of our arterial
street is to move people rather than
than vehicles
um that definitely
relates to that one
so just it goes back to that issue of
Transportation versus mobility and
that's we're moving the goal is to move
people whichever way works best not to
move
vehicles
okay
all right
anything else
I
maintain and create a diversity of high
quality places to live work shop and
recreate
any comments on the policies
um just on I8 I feel that it should be
designate protect and promote historic
landmarks
okay
anything else and I
healthy communities
ensure development through plans
policies and regulations that promote
physical social and mental well-being so
that people can live healthier and more
active lives
most of these policies are new because
the goal is new
and required by the state
any thoughts
I've found that non-motorized travel is
kind of a curious expression
I mean are we saying bicycles
saying walking and bicycling
I don't know okay okay
regarding just um kind of
food healthy food of some sort that one
uh I think it's going to be we're
addressing it and I think it's going to
be in human services
okay
this might not be the right
portion for it but there hasn't been any
mention of any kind of um
equine uh accessibility when we're
talking about non-motorized
um transportation in the Kahani
neighborhood there are quite a few horse
accommodations is there any plan for the
City of Issaquah to incorporate that
as part of a recreational
um
um I I haven't heard of any plans I can
see that it would fit
um probably more appropriately into
maybe here but into the parks plan which
is also being updated and is coming soon
yeah
so
so we know how about everything we look
at it then yeah I mean I just I figure
if we're going to have those facilities
it's more likely to go
thinking of is um
I worked with a different city where we
actually had to incorporate
um crosswalk buttons that were higher so
that someone on Horseback could hit a
crosswalk
button to cross the street while on
Horseback and maybe not healthy
communities but somewhere
in here if that's something that people
in the neighborhoods are
um
participating in
there might be some kind of funding
available somewhere down the road to
incorporate that into non-motorized
travel okay here's the question
does Issaquah have within the city
limits is there any
um
restrictions
for horses
I don't know I'm going to have to I
wrote down talk to these people and I
don't know right because I think you can
have them depending on how large your
lot is you can have them on your
you can I'm not sure how you ride them
around we're not a real horse friendly
I hate to say that but I don't think
we're real horse friendly with our
Trails I mean we have
mountain bikes and we have you know we
try and do as many modes but I I don't
recall seeing a horse recently around
but I'll certainly ask the parks
department if if trails are I know it's
sort of like this one tiny little part
of a fringe Community but I was just
thinking in terms of incorporating as
many we're going to say pedestrian and
bicycle travel instead of non-motorized
there may be additional
non-motorized methods that we might
exclude in terms of
someday
camels yeah being available to to get
grants or to get certain things
not change our entire zoning law but
right
you never know I don't know I was
awfully surprised the other day when I
looked out my window and saw horse
riding by so I thought oh well okay
well worth looking into anything else on
Jay
all right okay
oh not not far to go support a connected
multimodal Transportation Network as a
key to successful land use
uh
yeah
okay
any questions or comments on that one
policy
the only thing I would say is that your
list there okay one of trails the
transit's not included if you're talking
multimodal I think or good catch a big
part of multimodal good good catch
somebody else
pardon me
should we include the word roads K1 at
the top design and create Trails
sidewalks
but that's where it's okay this is this
is about healthy community and getting
people out and active
cars don't do that
but the general description of K says
the connected multimodal Transportation
Network
looks like we're just excluding roads
yeah some so maybe rewording of the goal
to state that it's not necessarily for
successful land use but for healthy land
use
or health oriented land use or a
connected non-motorized or
all right
I hadn't even seen that
centers this is also a new one that
we're required to add this year because
of our urban center
focus and promote office housing and
Retail development in urban centers
right now we do have one
almost
any thoughts on this one
um instead of ensuring other commercial
areas do not detract
I would almost say ensure that other
commercial areas enhance uh because you
don't necessarily want it to be you know
well are they you know if you've got a
neat shop yes it's going to detract from
some bread sales at Target but is it
enhancing the overall commercial
atmosphere okay
are you all okay with that
so I'm trying to understand what this
means though
so does that mean that the priority for
commercial development will be the urban
center and that all of the city's
resources in terms of Economic
Development
what are this economic Vitality type
thing will be
only
prioritizing that area so other
commercial areas in the cities will get
less attention I wouldn't say all of all
of the resources because one of the
council's goals and Targets this year is
to now look at Old Town again right and
see what we can do there to help improve
Redevelopment and attractions to that
area so I think what this is saying too
is that because a lot of the land that's
farther from the major streets is
cheaper and so we often get applicants
that come in for a parcel that's kind of
way off the beaten Trail and they want
it to be they want us to go through all
these different changes to make it a
Automotive something or something
something and we say you know you're way
out in the middle of nowhere that would
be perfect in the urban center even
though the land's probably a little more
expensive and so we're trying to make
sure that that our guidance is not to do
all these strange contortions on the
outlying areas where the land is cheaper
and put all the density
and to put the density where it's
supposed to go where we've planned for
it to go and just keep that in mind when
applicants keep trying to get the rules
changed changed around that around the
perimeter and that makes a lot of sense
I just didn't read it that way and then
looking like it would be detracting from
Front Street or from
those other areas that were previously
designated as the important commercial
areas yeah no I don't think we would
want to take anything away from from
those it would be those you know those
other small new kind of things right the
the strip malls uh yeah right right that
kind of thing
m
M so how did you end up
enhance okay yeah
new section resource lands
maintain opportunities for Agricultural
and resource land uses or activities
encourage compatible uses adjacent to
restore land resource lands which
support the use of the resource
and minimize conflicts among uses
I I had a couple questions regarding I
mean is this is this a new requirement
of the GMA or it's an old requirement of
GMA okay so we're just coming up to code
then because it it's so specifically
with regard to M4 and M6 so those GMA
mandated or because I don't know that
you know
I feel that
um
mineral resources yeah mineral resources
and that that had to do with Lakeside
when we annexed Lakeside too that
we had to ensure that they could remain
as a mineral resource land
yeah okay
and then M6
I don't know that it's it's
yeah stay required yeah and my like I I
like the best practices concept um but I
feel M6 could be a little stronger
um you know almost to the point of
discouraging minute mineral extraction
through requirement of zero net impact
on any
um new mineral extraction
um projects
um
or something to that effect so so that
we're really protecting lands I mean I
you know everyone knows the horror story
is from Montana where you have mineral
extraction that's just decimated the
land and I want to kind of make sure
that any mineral extraction going on
leaves the land the same or better than
it was before
oh I see what you're saying
okay
okay
those aren't the words I'm gonna work on
it
but
so you're gonna do a 180 on that one
instead of required
you know that's saying require best
practices
if it's gonna if it's going to happen
make sure that they have as few impacts
as possible
so I guess the reality is we need to
keep this in here I guess the reality is
how much you know logging and mineral
extraction are we going to have within
the city limits
you know I mean they don't allow it on
the ridge you know miles from here that
they've fought to buy that land because
it wouldn't allow some logging there so
you know when you get to the goal
minimize conflict amongst users I mean
it just seems like
it sounds like something you have to say
but
well and if you do Annex any properties
into the city you can all of a sudden
say you can't do that in the city
so you have to still allow it
for those people
right for those uses
okay Kristen back then back to one
quickly uh use the term and there again
small scale agricultural uses
and again that may
beg the question of the definition
oh M1
okay
we only go to oh we're almost there
Regional coordination and annexation
policies uh work with local and Regional
agencies and all affected parties during
the annexation process
any thoughts on those I have a question
on number 101
001 yeah okay well one the the last
sentence starting with however
okay however if the development
commences prior to annexation in the
local show require that the development
room permit approval system should be
done by the city
um
is this suggesting that if somebody's
going to develop a piece of property and
a paa they have to consider a limit this
might be
and actually the City of Issaquah and
therefore I have to develop my property
per the Issaquah city codes no this is
this is if the annexation process has
started
am I right or wrong this is like one
Krispy Kreme and Fred Meyer and Home
Depot came in and the pla the project
was approved but the only thing that had
started being built was Krispy Kreme and
so we did an interlocal with King County
that the city would keep processing
um the permit that King County had
already approved and so but we at least
got to do it with our with our
overseeing and our we did we couldn't
change the rules okay
because the legal concept Doctrine
investing right but we were able to do
the inspections and waste the time you
built to right right but we were able to
do the inspections right that's good it
costs a lot of money they do
understandable okay
very last goal Annex the city's
potential annexation areas to ensure
compatibility of a City development
regulations and to provide for public
services public facilities and
concurrent Transportation field
facilities at the city's level of
service
believe it or not that was cut down from
the last time
regarding o4
we talk about uh response due to health
emergencies or threat to the aquifier do
we want to maybe expand that as threat
to City resources generally
um you know I don't know what other
things might come up if we're talking
maybe threats to energy
threats to water sewer things like that
may come into play as well
I have excuse me I have a question on
the last sentence in O3 okay
Transportation deficiencies should be
addressed within six years
that's a state law
oh okay yes
really doesn't need to be doing
I just have one other small correction
Justin not Jason oh I'm sorry I've been
doing that online I apologize I actually
respond to any J name
that's good to know I apologize thank
you
okay any other thoughts I'll know
ah
you guys did a fabulous job thank you I
did thank you
the longest we've gone in a long time
and I just want to thank anyone in the
studio audience that stuck with us
through that
and um maybe even some of the
implementations and maps and oh Maps
that'll be exciting
no it will I like that
no I meant that
anything else anything else I I'm done
you're done okay what's the what's the
schedule that's right next in the next
meeting is uh I think Capital facilities
again and Public Utilities utilities and
services it's a really long title
services public services and utilities
whatever Jason will be back to give you
the next round of those two chapters two
weeks two elements
um it's whatever the next meeting is oh
we should we don't have that on here
anymore don't have it on the cover
sheets as I'm asking these new ways I'd
have to see
is this one we skip the week July 8th we
should be the 26th
July 26th you're right July 26th June
I'm sorry June 26th
oh and then we're into July yeah June
26th do we know at all who might not
have might not be here June you're not
going to be here okay
okay
any other questions comments for the
good of the order before we adjourn
adjourned at nine
zero eight okay thank you all for being
patient you guys were good and you were
prepared they were prepared and it was
like