Okay, we are recording.
Everybody knows
>> camera's disabled again.
Oh, it started recording.
>> Okay. Is that from the last meeting?
>> Uh, that's the last meeting.
So
I sh
I know why that won't come up.
You share your screen.
like a cat or something like that.
>> That's what I was looking for.
>> See, if I click on that, it just brings
up a pin or
screen.
>> That's me.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> All right.
>> All right. No video for what it
>> did last time. Bummer.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Well, no one online.
>> Everybody else is online, huh?
>> Oh, Jessica.
>> Yeah, Hannah's first.
>> Hey guys.
>> Hello.
>> We're having camera troubles again.
>> We're going to get started here any
second.
>> There you go.
>> Oh, it won't even let me turn my uh
camera on.
>> Oh. Oh,
>> it says only select participants can
share video.
>> Interesting.
>> Just just heads up.
>> Okay.
>> That that would just show this.
>> Oh,
there we go.
>> Okay. Well, you can at least share this.
>> Ready?
sharing 702.
>> All right. Well, to 702
as chair, I will call this May 18th,
2026 meeting of the park board to order.
Do some roll call here.
Start on the screen as usual. Hannah
Novakovic.
>> Thank you.
>> I'm here.
>> Thank you. Uh Jeffrey Newell
up here. Martha Gner
up here.
>> Beia Gmer Gonzalez
>> here.
>> Thank you. Welcome.
>> Thank you.
>> Marlene Waxy
not here.
Jane Tushi
not here.
Diana Ren
not here. I see she's I wonder I mean it
says no longer has access to the chat
but that was from 54.
>> Oh sorry there it is. Okay.
>> Tim Mley
not here.
>> Chris Kovac
>> present.
Katie Bell
not here.
>> David Lou
>> present.
Thank you. And you're gonna be stuck in
your opposite.
>> Um, all right. Do a little roll call
there.
>> Um,
we don't have a quorum
as I assume. So, we cannot
>> proceed with the elections. Is that
correct?
>> Correct. Or the motion.
Is that
>> or the motion? Or the motion. Or the
motions.
H.
>> Yeah. Okay.
It's gonna make it.
>> That'll be an interesting Okay. Well,
we'll still give you an update on
everything. Um, and then we'll have to
maybe
bring it back or determine if we want
another special meeting where we we have
quorum. Okay.
>> Um, I'll ask Tisha on the rules and
regulations for that to see if we can
vote with
um via email or without a meeting or we
need to call another meeting. I'm
assuming we would probably need to call
another special meeting.
>> So, we'll we'll work on that on the back
end.
>> Maybe if people filter in here, we can
>> Yeah.
>> re restart ourselves up.
>> Um
uh has everybody had a chance to review
the minutes from the last meeting?
>> Is there any corrections or edits?
Uh with no corrections on behalf of the
board, the minutes are approved.
>> Anybody here for public comment?
>> Excellent. Um uh please uh take a moment
to introduce yourself. Let us know if
you're a resident and if so, what
neighborhood and please do your best to
keep your comments to 5 minutes.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Hello, my name is Jonathan Smith. Um I'm
a resident uh of Isiqua. I live in
Squawk Quark Mountain. I walked over
here. Um, I've been here for over 30
years.
Um, I was recently on the environmental
board.
Um, I host a monthly volunteer litter
cleanup group in Isiqua.
I've been doing that for each month for
the last four and a half years. We meet
the first Saturday of every month at
post office parking lot.
Martha's been frequently attended that
and her husband. Um this year um I
engaged with the Isiqua High School
graphics design class to create a PSA.
That's a public service announcement
which basically says please don't.
I met with the students in their
classroom
in March to set some design requirements
basically um size, colors, message,
things like that. Um I returned to the
classroom in April with a group of
people from Mesaqua um to judge the
final designs and to pick pick a few to
print. Okay. The idea was to to do a
real world project for the high school
students.
Um I I um th those that we chose we had
printed and they're uh maybe they're on
the the table. They're 8 and 1 half by
11 flyers. Um I'm here to today to
request approval to post the flyers in
the public parks, the skate park, the
softball fields, the trails, etc. My
real goal here is twofold. One, to get a
PSA out for kids and young adults about
littering. Okay,
final letter. And also, I really want to
do this to show the students that it
created these posters so they can see
their work posted publicly.
So, um I um we've got five different
posters. There's there's u they're
pretty small. They're um
kind of geared for different ages. There
are two there for that are for uh
elementary school, then two for say
middle school and high school, and then
one for
of young adults.
So, um, I'd like to leave that with this
group to determine if they can be
posted. Um, and I'll leave you with with
some some
copies. Great.
>> If you uh choose to post them, that's
fine. If you need more, I can provide
more. If you don't if you don't if
you're not able to post them, I'd like
to get them back so I can find some
other way to get them posted.
>> Absolutely.
>> So, anyway, that it's been a good
project. This is the third year that
I've done it at the high school and this
is but this is the first time I
approached the parks department to get
it posted. Last time I I just visited
local area fast food restaurants and
businesses and asked them to get them
posted. Uh earlier today I visited um
Lake Sam State Park and talked to the
park manager and they've agreed to post
post them in their park as well.
>> Great. So, okay.
>> And um I have um if there's anybody
that's interested in joining our litter
group, I'm going to leave a few of these
um cards that kind of give information
about our litter cleanup activities.
Great.
>> All right. Thanks so much. I'll put
these over here and I'm done.
>> Do this unofficially anyways.
>> Yes.
Okay,
>> perfect. Thanks.
>> Thank you. We'll sit in the back for a
little while and listen in.
>> Okay.
>> We'd love to hear about the approval
process, how that looks because one of
our topics for tonight is park rules.
You need take notes or you need one of
my notes.
>> Oh, no. It's okay.
Yeah.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you so much.
Does anyone online? I don't think
there's any public comment online.
>> All right. So, our next step is on
regular business.
Our
first
line of business on record was to uh put
up for election of chair and vice chair.
Um but since we do not have a quorum, we
will not pursue that at this exact
moment. For those that are new to the
board uh
historically in April, um we nominate um
chair and vice chair and add new members
to the board. So welcome.
um it's not on our um part here and we
did a roll call and as you can see we're
a little bit light on attendance tonight
but um I'm going to add Hawk on our A
here and maybe you can um introduce
yourself and tell us a little about
yourself and join the park.
>> Yeah. Hi. Um my name is Leah Gmer
Gonzalez. Uh I've been living in Isiqua
in Oldtown for about a little over three
and a half years now. Um, and uh, up
until last week I have been working with
the Mountains to Sound Greenway. We're
based out of the state park. We do a lot
of work around town um, and other areas
in King County. Um, and I am uh
finishing my bachelor's in environmental
studies and I am just I was really
interested in
the park board to see how these
decisions are are made in real life and
also to to bring some of my own um
excitement about the parks uh hopefully
to serve the the community that I'm part
of. So, thank you for having me.
Welcome.
>> Um, as previously noted, but I'm Ryan
Olsson, the current chair, not being
voted out tonight.
>> Um,
uh, and I'll just, if you guys want to
go around, introduce yourselves. I'm
loop.
>> Uh, David Lou, I'm the vice chair. I've
been here for about four years on the
board, about nine years in Isqua. I'm
over in Cougar Mountain. One of the few
Cougar Mountain people on the board. Um,
but yeah, have a kid in Sunset
Elementary. So, I'm a dog. So I'm
basically your squad family. But
>> I'm Chris Kovac. Lived in the squa for
26 years and raised two kids here and
we're up on Squawk Mountain and I've
been on the park board
like
10 years or something. And I'm coming up
at a a date. We'll see what happens
after that. But um and before this I was
on the Friends of Lakes Mama State Park
board when that first started and uh and
that's kind of where I got my uh my uh
education and being on how to be on a
board of what to do. And um welcome.
>> Yeah, I'm I'm Nick. I'm a senior at
Gibson High School and I was on the park
board since uh I think January. Um so
yeah.
I'm Laura Hos. I'm department operations
specialist. I started in March, so I'm
relatively new as well. Um, and this is
my what, fourth meeting, so
doing well.
>> And I'm Robin Spear, park planning and
development manager. And I've been with
the city almost three years in
September.
So before that, just both in the public
and the private sector. But it's fun.
It's fun designing parks. So It's
respectfully fun designing the Vanessa
cloth. So,
>> awesome. Um, wonderful. Well, our next
uh point of regular business uh which
has been kind of the the main topic here
for the last uh four meetings or so is
the park bond renewal update as
presented by Robin.
>> All right. Yeah, I think this is this
our fourth meeting, third meeting, or
fourth meeting already?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. The park bond renewal is actually
picking up quite a bit of speed. we're
hearing a lot more from the community.
So we wanted to come back to everybody
tonight um to
purpose.
>> That's okay. Yeah. So tonight our
purpose was really to continue the
discussion that we've been having
regarding the park bond renewal,
regarding the different types of
projects um and the levy rate that we
set um and to find out if we're nearing
a consens consensus on the potential
park bond renewal measure that could go
to isiqua voters in November. Um, and
again, we want to give you the
opportunity to provide more feedback.
Uh, if you've heard anything else out in
the community, if you have any concerns
or issues or just questions, uh, we're
here with as much detail as we can give
you.
>> Next slide.
>> Laura, if you want to hit present in
teams, it might get a lot bigger.
>> Top right corner.
>> Oh, I thought I already did that. I'm
sorry guys.
>> Present.
Maybe
>> guess not.
>> Oh no, we are having all sorts of over
there.
>> Okay, so we are on
>> we're on the big screen now.
>> Okay.
>> Okay, so questions and discussion
tonight. Number one again, does the park
board support the recommendation from
administration
uh to move forward with a park bond
renewal at 8 cents uh per 10,000
assessed valuation? Uh, number two, does
a park board support the package of
identified projects, which we'll get
into in a little bit for the park bond
renewal? Um, number three, does a park
board support the recommendation to
reinforce the priority of continuing
community efforts on the expansion of
the Julius Bone Pool and TVP
reinvisioning work we're already doing.
So, that's just a continuation of that
for the master plan. And number four,
um, we just established this, but we're
going to have a park bond renewal open
house on June 2nd, um, starting at 6 PM.
Just a short meeting, 6:00 to 7:00 p.m.,
but that might also give us another
opportunity for a public meeting where,
uh, we could step aside and vote
>> um, on the measure. So, let's let me
let's dig into that or we'll dig into
that on the side, but um, maybe we can
get enough people to have a consensus
there.
Okay, next slide.
So, we've been meeting with with the
boards and commissions. We let's see. I
think we last met with park board May
4th. Then on the 5th, Jeff and I met
with services, safety, and parks
committee. Had a really good discussion
there. Overall, very positive. Uh we
looked again at the 8 cents versus 16
cents versus a 12 cent levy. uh they
wanted us to do more public outreach and
get more community feedback. So that's
the open house which I think will be a
great opportunity coming up in a few
weeks. Um and then the city council had
their retreat on the 9th. So again, they
were looking at what sounded most
feasible, what sounded correct for the
the levy funding itself. Um and then the
list of projects, they still supported
that list of projects. thought it
provided a really good variety of
projects throughout the city. Um, and we
had, I think, over a hundred emails from
the community, very positive feedback
about the three athletic fields at the
elementary schools. So, that was a rush
of comments, but it's good to know that
the the word is getting out to the
community. They're supporting it. Um,
and so far, I've not heard anything
negative come back on that.
Okay. So, we'll just quickly recap the
proposed projects.
>> That might be a good one.
>> Yeah. So, Leah, I don't know if you had
a chance to go through those. Okay. So,
the first one is the e house, which
would be the full restoration and a
corporation into Confluence Park. So,
that's basically a gathering space for
the community if we rehabilitate the
building. um from my research uh is
about 1500 square feet that could hold
between 100 and 150 people. So, a great
source, revenue source coming up. A
great space, flexible space, um usable
space. Uh people are always asking for
that in the community. So, great
opportunity there. Uh the Bill Ramos
trail head improvements. So, we're
looking I don't know if anyone's driven
over there lately, but the rats are
getting pretty bad over there. So, we're
thinking about new new paving, new
servicing, restrooms, um some other
facilities, definitely drinking
fountains, um picnic tables, maybe some
seating areas, which Nick and I have
heard the seniors really want more
seating along the trails. So, that's
something we'd be focusing on.
Uh the next set would be two new trail
corridors that really enhance our creeks
to peaks vision. Uh the first Harvey
Manning Park, formerly known as Bergma,
uh which get it would get us connections
into up and into Krueger Mountain and
over to the Talis area. And then Squawk
Mountain with our recent purchase of
KCari right next to Wayouth would give
us a chance to get up back up into
Squawk, which would be really great. The
three athletic field conversions we're
looking at were mainly the Isip Valley
Elementary, the Grand Ridge Elementary,
and the Clark Elementary schools. I
think the discussion with council and um
other boards that they really like to
move forward with those three with
Central Park pad 2 kind of as a backup
as needed.
Okay.
And then next that would be other park
amenities such as expanded pickle ball
at Central Park. I did a quick design.
It looks like we could fit probably four
full-size tennis courts there which
would split up into pickle ball or just
pickle ball courts there. Um really
important. We really don't have a really
nice all-inclusive playground, which
with Tivet Valley becoming the next
master plan community park. We're going
to revision that would be an excellent
place to put that all-inclusive
playground. And then of course, I was
just at Tibet Valley Park today and it
was a big dog park this afternoon. So I
think needless to say, we really need a
dedicated dog park at Tibets as well and
get them off the field is a big
complaint. and one of the things our
park ranger really had to tackle quite a
bit out there. So, those are the
proposed projects. Those haven't
changed. It's a really great package,
really diverse package. So, we feel
pretty confident that it just allows a
little bit of everything, a little bit
of recreation for everybody.
>> Just a quick question. When you guys are
forming your forming your estimates, is
it sort of like in the mean or is it
more like a trying not to exceed price?
Just try to understand.
>> It's a mean. It really depends on, you
know, how you develop the design of the
project. Um, what year obviously we're
we're going to escalate the loan grade
takes for the project. Um, I do factor
in design fees, um, permitting fees in
that and um, just a general when I'm
calling round to other what we've seen
and what we've seen other consultants
spend or other cities spend.
>> So, I'm combining all that together when
I make these. Um, and we have Burger,
another consultant looking at this that
can tighten them up, too.
>> Okay, thank you.
>> And this is assuming that that I think
none of the fields were lit either.
That's another component to it that adds
quite a bit of expense, but right now
we're assuming not.
Okay. And here's a map of our proposed
projects. As you can see, it's a lot of
focus from west to east and then down
into squawk. So again, it it really
supports our creeks to peaks idea of
getting every park, every trail
connected as much as possible throughout
the city. Let's make it a more walkable,
livable city.
Next slide.
Okay. So, yeah, again, the criteria that
we were looking at when we picked the
the uh package of projects, we really
started to look at the near-term
projects. The feedback that we heard
when we were doing that list of
near-term and when we were looking at
the 2024 park system plan update, we
wanted a mix of projects with available
funding to address the diversity of
community uses. Uh so was it all put
into one bucket per se, but everybody um
the projects were spread out so it
really accommodated a little bit for
everybody. Um projects that didn't have
a high level of site complexity. I
you're looking at some like Tibbitz, I
think we mentioned this before, where it
has Tibbitz Creek, it's in the flood
plane. I mean that there's a lot of um
pros and cons that go along with it, but
along with that a little bit extra
design, development, permitting, so it
just takes a little bit longer. We want
to make sure that we can get these
projects constructed in a reasonable
amount of time. And again, does have a
level of controversy or community
concerns? And then we wanted to consider
a mix of projects and locations that had
a geographic distribution and looking at
our gap areas, seeing where those were,
making sure we're we're fulfilling that.
Okay, next slide and timing and next
steps. So, here we are. May 18th,
parkboard meeting and discussion. Uh
June 2nd, we hope you all can make it to
the public meeting in the open house. Um
I think in between either that or the
June 15th meeting, we can have um a
special meeting, but we'll coordinate
that so we can vote.
Um and then June 15th or the 29th, the
city council decision will happen. And
then early August, we need by August
4th, I I believe it is, we need to get
ballot information to King County
elections and then November 3rd, the
general election. That is where we're
at. We're moving really fast, but so far
we're hearing really positive feedback
on it.
And I know we were going to make a
motion, but we'll table that for
tonight.
>> Yeah, I know the
in the intro you had the questions for
the group. Um,
and you know, obviously we can tackle
some of those in terms of support
itself, but I have to say the out the
outpouring of support that I heard for
the elementary school parks was
>> substantial.
>> Yes.
>> Um,
I heard it from everyone I know that
>> Oh, good.
>> like good.
>> PTA's emailing out full slates of
everybody. People are like, "You're on
the parkboard, right? Let me tell you
how I feel about that." Good. Let's do
it. Let's do it. So there's feedback on
that. I mean, we've obviously as a board
talked about these projects for a
>> while,
>> and you know, have no motion to make
tonight due to attendance, but um that
one in particular is one that I heard
the absolute most of.
>> Right. That's what we heard, too.
>> Any other
>> Yeah.
>> projects that people are hearing in the
community that are of interest or
getting any kind of support behind? Just
out of curiosity. Nothing particular
about the rest of the list from since
our last meeting. Oh yeah, Hannah,
please.
>> Sorry, always forget to take off the
mic. Um, pickle ball courts. People were
so excited about the prospect of more
pickle ball courts.
Um, and I, this was more of like me
educating, but talking about Ek House,
like as I, as I was able to educate my
community and my neighbors about it,
people were really excit like I was kind
of surprised how excited people got
about e house. So, um, not something
that people came forward to me about.
Um, like like I said, the pickle ball
courts people were like really excited
about. Um, but once we talked about it,
there was a lot of excitement about the
about that. So, I just wanted to share
that.
>> Oh, great.
>> Wonderful. Thank you.
>> Yeah. For my various dads with sports
kids, they were all excited about the
fields at the elementary schools. They
were all like, "Wait, are we doing all
the elementary schools?" I was like,
"No no."
But another reaction was the pickle ball
courts. They were excited about that for
a different reason, which is the parking
would then free up at pad five and six
for those fields. But yes, in theory.
>> Yeah, they're they're excited about that
space,
>> right?
>> And we did we we definitely heard you
more about the pool as well. So that's
why we were going to split that up into
a second motion, but make sure that
following this that we were kind of
reconstituting the the um committee for
the pool as well because I think that's
something that's much needed, obviously
much wanted. So we didn't want to let
that drop out.
>> I've heard that um the dog park idea
Tibbitz is great both from they need a
place to go and then there's another
place that they need to not be.
>> Yes. sort of a dual benefit there.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Yeah. If available and we'll we'll
send out more information. Uh we have a
we'll get a flyer together for June 2nd
um with some facts and information on
all the projects as well. But we hope to
see you there.
>> Wonderful. If we have any additional
questions or discussion for
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Uh moving on. Our next topic for tonight
be the park rules update.
>> Let me close this up
by Dale Marky Crimos.
>> Hello everyone.
>> Hello again.
>> It's so good to be back. I can sit where
I don't have to sit here. I'm like, do I
need to go over to the staff area?
>> Laura's going to pull up presentation
and I'll give us a little bit of a frame
for this evening.
>> There we go. Why is it not showing?
>> There it is.
>> It's from the beginning. There we go.
>> Awesome.
>> Yay. Did it.
So, we are we are back. Well, I guess
I'm back and now I've got a new partner
in crime or partner, I guess, in the
opposite of crime, which is creating
law. Um, so Laura and I are here this
evening to get some feedback on a couple
of topics related to this project. Um,
specifically, we would love to uh get
Parkboard perspective on the
incorporation of the community feedback
from the survey uh and also on potential
approaches to enforcement. We've got two
key questions this evening. Um, and so
we've got them up here in front of you
right now. And then what Laura and I are
going to do is actually split this
presentation up a little bit. Laura's
going to talk about the community survey
and then pose that first question. We'll
have some time for questions and
discussion and then I'll take the the
latter half um and talk a little bit
about enforcement, what we learned from
peer cities, what we learned from the
survey um and pose this question about
what feedback do you have about our
potential approaches to enforcement that
we're considering right now as we
develop this code, this draft code. Um
so with that, um actually I'll do the
next slide, Laura, and then I'll turn it
over to you. So this is just a little
bit of context. I believe all of you
were were present for the uh the uh
February meeting where Jeff and I
presented on this particular project.
But by way of a refresher, um this
project on park rules and regulations um
was first introduced to the city council
in January. Uh, I think Jeff has known
this for a long time, but my new fun
fact about the city of Isiqua is that
despite being a city of parks, uh, we
don't actually have any codified rules
about what people can and cannot do in
our parks. Um, and so this was
introduced to the council in January.
Then Jeff and I came here to the park
board meeting in February to share a
little bit about the proposed project.
At the time, the board uh, gave a big
thumbs up to moving forward. Um and then
over the course of the last few months,
uh we've been in the process of both
designing and administering a community
survey around park use and park rule
potential rules and regulations as well
as um engaging in conversation with
staff members who the creation of this
set of rules would would touch their
work. Um and then also having
conversations with other cities in the
area that have gone through a similar
process recently. In addition, you'll
see in this timeline that uh we've had a
touch point with the equity board as
well. So I brought this project I'm just
happen to wear the hat of liaison to the
equity board. Um and so brought this uh
project to them not at this current
month's meeting but the previous month's
meeting to get some of their feedback.
uh as you might imagine they were
particularly interested in the
enforcement section and so had a lot of
really good feedback for us there and so
we're back here in May to bring these
two items forward and at the end of our
presentation we'll talk a little bit
about what we see as the next steps and
the I would say slightly revised
timeline and the one that Jeff and I
provided uh back in February
and with that I'll turn it over to
Laura.
>> Yeah. So, as Dale said, we um engaged in
a community survey. Um we opened it up
in March um and closed had it o open for
about uh a month. Uh we ended up having
about seven uh 378 total respondents. Um
and what we found was that uh uh most
82% um really want visit the parks very
frequently um weekly or daily. And um
most also bonded clear park rules um and
within that um section uh 45% of those
folks said that the rules are very
important. So um there is a clear um
interest and need in the the community u
based off the survey um is what we found
that they are um they desire uh clear
park rules um and and ways of engaging
the behavior. So the most common
activities we uh saw was um that people
use our parks and trails and open spaces
are walking, hiking and running. Um
nature obser observation and uh dog
walking.
And through the survey um the top
priorities that we found um under the
management and compliance areas is dog
management. Um clearly uh there's a need
at um for example TB um waste management
and uh maintenance and prevention of
property damage. Um and then as we look
at um what that how that relates to
future rules um and updates to our park
code uh the priorities that we found um
in the survey were waste management and
cleanliness um user safety. Um some of
the qualitative data that we saw was
that um that ebikes and and safety
around how we use our trails and open
space in that sense um was was a common
uh factor to many people. And then um
protection of nature and wild nature
natural areas and wildlife. Um and the
way in which um people found was most
important to them in terms of learning
about the Isqua Parks rules was uh uh
through communication of uh proper uh
signage at parks and trails. um
identifying that as being the most um
effective communication meth method um
is what uh respondents found um and in
fact it was by far like four four times
as many responses of people desired to
learn about the park rules and code um
through through that method.
So through that um some of the proposed
actions that we we found through the
community survey is to prioritize the
regulations, education and compliance
efforts related to those top priorities
of dog management, waste management,
trail etiquette, user safety and
prevention of property damage. And um
and as I mentioned uh some of the main
uh topic areas that uh we found were
policy areas that would be of priority
um to really focus on our um uh ebike
and mo uh motorized mot uh mobility
devices. Um and that's really an area of
focus I think with um one of the main
rules in in
>> a motorized mobility device. Is that
like one of those skateboards that
>> Yeah, it's it's basically a motorized
a scooter. It's Yeah, it's anything
that's not an electric actually has
them. So it's kind of they're the same
but they're not if that makes any sense.
Um it's right the
like east like uh what are those the
scooters mopeds? Yeah
>> the one wheels skateboard things
>> the hoverboard hoverboard. Yeah
>> sorts of
>> Thank you.
>> Yeah.
So, I guess um if you guys had a chance
to look at the the survey um content um
is there anything that you feel um we
should be incorporating into this draft
uh before we really dive in and start um
developing code and the rules um by
which we engage in our parks system.
any priorities or any other approaches
that um we should consider.
>> I have one I don't it might have come up
in trail etiquette but uh amplified
music
>> could really be anywhere.
>> Yep.
>> Yep. Something I've noticed, I I think
this would also be in trail etiquette is
especially on the um
blanking on the reineer trail.
>> Um especially around the troll, a lot of
people biking, a lot of people walking
and bikers not signaling when they're
about to pass people.
>> Yeah. So I don't know if there could be
necessarily I don't know about
enforcement but um education
uh about proper etiquette for
>> sharing the sharing yeah common use
space. Yeah.
>> And that's really that that was a lot of
the the feedback. Um there's mixed use
right in and trails and open spaces and
it's how do we all have some sort of
common understanding of using the space
based off of who else is is using it. So
that's a that's a big component um that
we're considering and and Dale will get
into this a little bit but you know one
of the things we've thought about it's
not that you to restrict necessarily but
it's more of like do we consider um
speed as the enforcement. Um, so there's
a lot of varying enforcement strategies
and approaches that I think can help
shape the rules in a way that kind of
helps um multi-use
uh spaces
>> because there are kind of two things.
There are a few different things going
on there. There's no well there's as
we've talked about like there's a lack
of signage because there are lack of
rules. Um and then and then the issue
being you know there's no signage around
who defers to who, right? Some people
don't know
>> and some people don't know. And also,
yeah, I think something around educating
like make sure to like on your left or
ring a bell, things like that. Yeah, I
love that. I made a note of that. We we
got some really good feedback from the
equity board around the implementation
side of things and and this feels very
much in that implementation piece as
well.
Any
other feedback, comments, questions
about the survey data?
>> They're all raring to talk about
enforcement. I
like Laura, come on.
>> So, let's talk about enforcement, which
is the other big question we wanted to
bring to you this evening. And the
question I have is it's a pretty broad
one. sort of like what feedback do you
have about the things that we're
potential approaches we're thinking
about when it comes to enforcement?
And so, um, I think it's important to
talk about what we're doing currently
first and then a little bit about the
process we took to even develop this
sort of baseline
direction that I think we're heading.
So, currently, our police officers can
enforce um civil infractions and
criminal violations
anywhere in the city in they can do it
in parks, they can do it not in parks.
Um, but it's not written into code that
they have that authority. So, no one
knows to expect that. Um, maybe you're
saying, "Hey, I kind of know that police
are in charge of the rules and so I
would expect that." But I do think it's
important that we haven't articulated
that anywhere. Our park ranger, hello
Alex, we miss you. Um, but our park
ranger is is and has only been able to
inform the public of rules and ask for
voluntary compliance. um before Alex
left the city. I'm not sure how many
times he came to present here, but I
know I was privy to his incredible
recordkeeping of how many times he asked
how many people to please put their dog
on a leash. Um really incredible amount
of data on just how prevalent that issue
was for him. But again, he couldn't
enforce anything. He couldn't enforce a
fine. He couldn't, you know, say that
there are fines. All he could do is say,
"Hey, we would like dogs to not be on
leashes. here's why. Um, and he would do
that over and over and over and over
again.
So, we kind of know voluntary compliance
is not is not the the cure all that
we've been looking for because we've
tried that. So, a process to try to come
up with what we think we might want to
do. Um, as Laura talked about, we
provided this survey. I will um I just
want to like say a special thanks to
Tim. I know Tim's not here, but who
helped with some of the survey
questions. And I would love to have a
moment of like, oh, we should have
banged our heads against the wall a
little bit. We asked a survey question
and it's on the next slide. Um,
specifically,
um, if a park rule isn't followed, which
of the following approaches do you
believe would be the most effective in
addressing the violation? Goodness
gracious, do I wish we had asked that
question a little bit differently?
Because I think people answered it
exactly it was as it was written is what
do you think would be the most
effective? not necessarily what what
would you like like what would be the
most desirable way or the way that you'd
like to city see the city address this.
So I think I did a little
crosstabulation of the data that I think
gets us a little closer to desire but I
do think um I just wanted to sort of
name that. So we gave the survey to
gather a little bit of information. I
also brought um this topic to the equity
board to get their input on what we
should be thinking about as we develop
um an enforcement strategy that has
equity in mind. And then also Laura and
I interviewed our police department, the
greenqua team, the human services team,
the recreation team, the planning that
we we interviewed everybody about sort
of
>> what do we think is both I think
something that aligns with our values as
a city and also at least from the police
department perspective, what's a
reasonable approach. Um, and then I
think human services as well, having
them weigh in around like the folks that
may be in our parks um, for reasons
other than recreating and how we can
make sure that we're humane and
attentive to their humanity as we think
about enforcement.
So, as I mentioned on this on this
previous slide, we looked strictly at
this one question, question number five.
I know you all took the survey and
committed it to memory, so I know you're
familiar with question number five. Um,
and at first what jumped out to me was
like fines and citations. And then I
like breathed. I took a breath in and I
said,"Well, that's actually not
statistically significantly much higher
than educational outreach and verbal or
written warnings." All it really told me
is that people don't think that
exclusion from parks is going to be very
effective. And I was like shook because
I actually that's one of my one of the
alternatives that the equity board was
like I'd really like they would really
like us to consider exclusion as an
alternative to just fines fines fines or
having someone be trespassed and then
put in jail. So I felt like five didn't
get me exactly what I wanted because I
poorly worded that question for my
intention. And so I actually did a
little bit of a cross tab with the
following question, which was question
number six, which asked um respondents
to the survey to tell us what they felt
like the most important focus of the
park rules project should be. And so
this gave us a little bit more
information specifically that the folks
who were most worried about safety, they
were the ones that were really feeling
like fines and citations at this point
is the most effective way. you can tell
those are the folks that probably have
had some experiences where they've felt
unsafe repeatedly.
Um and then you look at the other the
other reasons. So you look at um
protecting natural areas and you look at
supporting general wreck and that's much
more there's a lot more parody I would
say in the approaches that people think
would be most effective. So what that
told me is that there is an opportunity
for multiple approaches to enforcement.
After that, um I actually wanted to take
and I'll the next slide also talks a
little bit more about what I heard from
the equity board, but um I interviewed
the teams in Redmond, Kirkland, and
Shoreline. Um and also looked at their
draft code. Kirkland is still not
officially published, but I I I got some
behind the scenes from their park board
minutes to see exactly where they're at
with their enforcement. There's a lot of
similarity. Um Shorelines was the most
brief in terms of how they approach
enforcement. It was similar to Redmond
in a in a focus on um on infractions for
or infractions and fines for
infractions. They have slightly higher
fines actually than Redmond does. Um and
actually they refer directly to the RCW
in terms of or the revised code of
Washington to the state law in terms of
their their fine levels. Um and they
don't mention any sort of exclusion. So
it's fines is basically their sole
approach. Um Redmond and Kirkland have a
little more complexity in how they want
to provide
the way that enforcement could be
approached in the city. Um Redmond does
a really in-depth job and I know we
looked at the Redmond code prior to our
the last time I visited. Um they go in
and they actually define
civil infractions and then they define
the different civil infractions that
they outline in their code by level. So
they they've actually gone and said like
this civil infraction is a little more
serious than this civil infraction.
There's a a I think it's a one to three.
Um so they're even going in and saying
these are the behaviors that are not
allowed. These are the ones that are
civil infractions. And even within that
here are the ones that are more serious
or less serious. and they're aligning
those to levels of fine um and also
providing a level of discretion around
exclusion from parks um and whether or
not a um park ranger um and this is true
in Kirkland as well um can make the
decision to escalate something more
quickly um
and a little bit of discretion and
enforcement in terms of you know this
this does technically warrant a fine,
but I'm going to use this as an
opportunity to educate because this is
the first time I've encountered this and
it's a dog off a leash. I'm not going to
immediately find this person.
Um, and and they also outline in the
Redmond Code a shared enforcement
responsibility between their parks
department rangers and the Redmond
Police Department. And they define
pretty clearly that the police are in
charge of the criminal violations. So
the the ser the gross misdemeanors and
above um and the uh park rangers are in
charge of the civil fractions. Um
similar in Kirkland and I know you can
probably read my very wordy slide. I
apologize now in reflection for how how
much font is on that very small slide
but again allows for exclusion and also
delineates between the the severity of
misdemeanor violations. does not go into
the depth that Redmond goes into where
they sort of say here are all the civil
infractions and here is the level of
infraction. Um they mostly just
delineate between infractions and
criminal violations. Um and then also
they have a a a good amount of detail on
how park rangers have been um made
enforcement officers which is different
than deputizing someone. So an
enforcement officer is not a deputy of
the police. they cannot enforce criminal
violation, but they can um site people
for civil infractions.
Um and then as I as I alluded to
earlier, uh a really healthy uh robust,
I guess is the word I would use
conversation with the equity board. Some
of the main points from that
conversation, that discussion that they
had was one ensuring that there's
sensitivity to communities that may be
unfair, unfamiliar with rules. Um, we
have a really diverse community here in
Isiqua, an increasingly diverse
community, um, that have probably
experienced parks and open spaces in
different parts of the country and the
world. And so, there's going to need to
be some thought around how we introduce
these rules in a way that's
understandable.
Um, allowing for education and frontline
discretion. They thought that that was
important. You don't want to immediately
start finding people. um but instead
focus that that more serious level of
enforcement on repeat offenders where
where there's cause for concern for
safety. They expressed concerns about
fines, especially for low-income
individuals. Um you know, they said sort
of said, "What's the point of finding
people if they can't pay the fines?" Um
we need to be more thoughtful maybe
about different ways that we could
enforce but also support. Um and then
also concerns about exclusion for
historically marginalized populations.
So just bringing up this idea of you
know we've excluded people from public
spaces um as long as this country has
existed and beforehand and so how can we
be thoughtful if we are going to
approach exclusion how can we be
thoughtful in in keeping track of who is
impacted and doing an audit of um who
ends up being excluded over time and is
is any group being um
uh overly impacted by that approach.
overly impacted probably honestly by the
fines as well, but that was one they
they really talked about.
And so this all of this feedback um kind
of came for me into sort of five main um
five main elements that I'm thinking
about when it comes to drafting our
enforcement approach which is on the
next slide.
>> Just a quick question.
>> Oh, absolutely.
>> You looked at the policy. I'm always
thinking about policy versus practice.
Were you able to gather any information
from Redmond, Kirkland, Shoreline about
how many fines they've actually issued?
>> You know, I didn't ask them about how
many they've issued, and I can follow
up, David, and get that like that data
before we come back. Um, or even send it
to you, send it to the board in between.
Yeah.
>> Um, I did ask a bit about
implementation and how it's been going.
Um, Kirkland of course has not signed
theirs, so I I talked to Redmond and to
Shoreline. Um,
unsurprisingly, this will not come as a
surprise to the staff as well, it really
is dependent on the park ranger
existing. Um, that in all of these cases
for any sort of civil infraction,
specifically, I think the one that comes
up in all of our communities, speed on
trails and dogs off leash, um, you know,
they've taken, uh, I talked to the to
the folks in Redmond. They had taken a
really targeted approach to a few of
their parks and they said, you know, we
show up at lunchtime, you know, on
Thursday and all it takes is a few times
being there and people people get the
the warning ticket, not even the the
fine, but they get the official ticket
that says this is your warning. And that
tends to change behavior. Um that that
actually was like pretty effective. Um
even a non-monetary this is your first
citation.
>> Yeah. Um, and so
as someone also who has experienced that
in my own parks in the city of Seattle,
very effective. Um, you only need to
talk to animal control one time uh
before you're like, "Okay, I'm going to
not do this anymore." Uh, and I've seen
that in my my neighborhood as well. So,
that seems to be the general approach
because there's not necessarily a lot of
staff. You know, you can't have a park
ranger in every park every evening. Um,
and so instead using the data we already
have on maybe where some of the behavior
is happening, being more present, and
then I think I feel very excited about
now the opportunity to redirect people
to the dog park we do have, right?
>> So that was a long-winded answer to your
question, but yes,
>> that's great.
>> So here's here's a little bit what I'm
thinking, and I'm I'm eager to get this
group's input. So I do think it's going
to be very important in our co code to
separate civil infractions from criminal
pen penalties. And I would like to go so
far as to naming after we go through all
the behaviors naming these are civil
infractions the follow and then the rest
are criminal would be uh cause for
criminal penalty. I think it I I am
really intrigued by this tiered approach
to infractions. I think that level of
detail, especially given the user safety
being such a priority, does feel like it
would be a a valuable um at least
thought experiment to go through. And so
I'm curious to get the groups the
group's perspective on that. I feel very
strongly about park ranger as
enforcement officer, not deputized
um by the police department. So
enforcing civil infractions and
citations, but nothing beyond that. Um,
I think it's important that our ranger
is seen um as an educator um and
enforcer, not as a police officer. And
then I think I still think that park
exclusion serves some purpose. Um
I I'm not exactly I I feel um
it would be I feel limiting the options
to only find citations in education
takes away the opportunity to think
about um folks that are particular that
particularly do something um dangerous
that maybe need to be excluded. Um
feels helpful to have in the code.
Kirkland is not they're the ones that
have a big section on that and they're
they've not implemented yet. So I can't
tell you how many times they've had to
escalate something to exclusion. Um and
then I I think most importantly that
orange box there I think voluntary
compliance as a first action feels very
important um to have that frontline
discretion to say we're going to start
with voluntary compliance. if you fail
uh to comply, then we then consider um
here's here's a fine after. Um so that's
currently these five pillars are sort of
the pillars we're thinking about around
our enforcement uh code. really curious
to I mean my question for the group
tonight um is just what feedback do you
have about this potential approach uh
that we're thinking about and another in
the same lovely picture of former Alex
former or still Alex but former Ranger
Alex
>> question it we do not currently have a
ranger
>> we have the position but he um moved on
for another opportunity um and we've not
yet filled the position again right yeah
be interested to see how
if you move forward with uh
with the proposal of how that changes
the role of park ranger and the type of
person
>> or individual that you may or may not
have.
>> Yeah.
>> Seek that role is,
>> you know, I think it's
like the enforcement side of having more
of a confrontational
>> Yeah.
>> um role versus just like a hey, you're
not doing what you're supposed to be
doing.
kind of thing. Um,
so I think that could be an interesting
un unnown outcome of this, but I I I
tend to think the path you're on here is
pretty linear to my my thought path as
well. Um, what you've outlined is
>> kind of in alignment with that.
Um I just the implementation of how are
they tracking the repeat offenders? Are
they taking information
like and making an instant report? How
is that being done?
>> That's a great question. I will say from
the from my conversations with Alex
prior to his departure,
the repeat offenders are known. it I
think we sometimes think that our
community is is a lot bigger than it is
but and and it's not small but the folks
that are repeatedly
doing things that are on any level from
like annoying to unsafe
there he he's like I know the people and
then as I talk to other other cities
they're like oh yeah the five people or
the like five entities that we are
repeatedly interacting with and asking
to do x y or
Um, and so it's I think there's a level
of we would still want to have some we
would not want to have data collection
in any sort of implementation. Um, but I
also think that
the I think we would know pretty quickly
who our repeat offenders are. The other
tricky thing is we've never had like a
step beyond please.
And so I also wonder at like the written
warning like how many people at written
warning change their behavior.
>> Yeah. I I think I mean it goes a long
way to saying which is obviously we're
working on this project but like when I
go to another city's park and they have
the sign that says this is what you can
and can't do here.
>> Yeah.
>> To Jonathan's point, can I post a flyer?
Can I not post a flyer to tell people
not to litter which is our number two
priority here?
>> What is our role and our policy on that?
Like,
>> yeah.
>> Oh, I can do that here. Oh, I can't do
that here. Or same your trail
conversation. I don't remember where I
was recently, but it's like like the
little triangle. It's like the walker
defers to the horse defers to the bike,
whatever the
>> you know, triangle of life. It's like
even that type of thing to your point is
and and kind of your question is like
even just letting people know what you
can and can't do often can change the
behavior.
>> Yeah. And then, you know, I mean, I've
been out in the parks and I I see the
same people doing things and I'm like, I
know who the repeaters are.
>> I guess my concern with that is just
there's nuance to it. I guess my concern
with that is that it could allow for
bias, especially if it's like frontline
discretion.
>> Absolutely.
>> So, that's just my concern.
>> It goes both ways, right? I've been
wrestling with that a bit as well is
that the the discretion both allows for
the person in the position to identify
this is someone who, you know, maybe
overpoliced or overfined already, but it
and so let me take an education approach
first, but someone without an equity
lens could go the exact opposite way,
>> right?
>> Yeah. So, it makes me think a lot about
the training and sensitivity that we
need to make sure our staff has. So,
whoever ends up in that park ranger
role, um, that's going to be par. Yeah,
>> I think what's important with the park
ranger role, especially with that with
Alex, was they worked very closely with
the health and human services department
and that group. So, and to his credit,
he knew everybody by their first name,
which was really nice. You know, you're
seeing them as an individual, as a human
person, but they work very closely
together. So that that was a huge
benefit.
>> Absolutely.
>> Yeah, Chris,
>> I don't see a lot like when I especially
when I'm looking at the the different
cities,
>> that's there's a few items of course,
you know, what designation you place
your rangers in.
>> Um but most of it's not really exclusive
of anything else. And um you know it
seems like with uh
quite a bit of effort I'm not trying to
minimize it but this this can be blended
into something that's appropriate and
taking the best from the others. Uh just
from my own perspective I like the idea
of keeping the rangers separate.
>> Um you mentioned the training and I
don't know what we do for police for
community train community policing. Yep.
>> But having the rangers maybe participate
in that or something like that might be
a cool way to
>> bring that about or put them in a a
>> better better trained position.
>> Yeah.
>> And then I really feel strongly about uh
frontline discretion and enforcement
>> that that you know the ranger has the
ability to
>> just keep it you know for verbal and if
it's a repeat offender then it can get
escalated. Yeah,
>> great.
>> I guess sorry, one other thing I wanted
to say is given that what you introduced
with that we don't have any rules right
now and generally speaking there's been
no discussion about mayhem in our parks.
Um I think keeping us tilted towards
this the software approach with options
is great rather than trying to come in
hard.
>> Yeah.
And that also goes back to the education
and outreach piece being what is a major
overarching component to having, you
know, that softer approach kind of
overlaid right?
>> So, yeah, I think Hannah has your hand
up.
>> Thanks. Yeah, I um I was just a little
bit interested in what does that
education outreach look like, right?
Because we've never had these roles. Um
you know, this package looks first this
package looks I think very sensible to
me. Um I also agree with the separation
of the park ranger and the police. I
think um you know I
I I'm just a little I'm just very
interested in um how do we educate the
public once this passes on what they can
and can't do in the parks? Um how do we
let people know there are rules, right?
Um yeah, I'm just a little interested
the the roll out. What does the roll out
look like?
>> Yeah, absolutely. And I think I mean we
will be back um after the the as we get
closer to the code being written and
then start to think about implementation
we'll be back to talk about that as
well. I will say is unsurprisingly
uh came up also with the equity board
and one of the really great ideas that
came up was um
as we have the rules finalized when we
come up with like our most simple pathy
version of them the the to Ryan's point
the ones that go on the sign um how we
might use I haven't even shared this
with Robin yet but how we might use our
summer camps as a way to teach the kids
the rules because kids are one of the
best ways to make sure parents end up
knowing the rules. Um, and that
potentially we could use some of our
summer camp um curriculum to do some
rules roll out with with the youth and
hopefully spread it that way. Um, you
know, we're going to we're going to pick
a lot of different strategies for
implementation. There's going to be one
strategy that gets us 50% of the way
there. That might be science. That might
be science alone might get us 50% of the
way.
>> Thomas could help you with that.
>> I was gonna say yeah. Um and then
potentially it's like okay what are the
other three or four so we get from 50%
of people to 70 to 80% of people.
>> Yeah.
>> So and I would imagine there's some
other expertise in our department around
how we can we can roll this out but that
is I can feel you champing at the bit
for it and know that we're champing at
the bit as well.
um because my mind also jumps to
implementation as well. So it's it's
nothing's been determined there but it
will come back to the board as we as we
come up with that strategy.
>> Awesome. Thank you.
>> Quick easy ways too. I like thinking
from like a promotion and marketing uh
standpoint. It can be simple little
sound bites or little video clips that
are, you know, or social pushes um to
the the point of little pathy quick like
what what's going to stick in people's
minds. That's that's an easy and
relatively inexpensive way to do it,
too. So, there's there's there's a lot
of creative ways I think that can happen
that kind of get the word out and kind
of make people see what what what the
rules are all about.
the jingle.
>> The jingle. There you go. A jingle.
>> So, for our last slide, I just want to
give a little bit of an overview of
what's where we're headed next. Um, so
Laura and I are the main uh project
staff on this on this project. And so,
we're going to use the next, you know,
month and a half to really dive into
finally drafting. Um, we've got an
emerging draft, but it wasn't quite
ready uh for the light of day tonight.
Um, we'll also use the month of July to
get city staff feedback. So, the same
group that we went to before, we'd like
to go back to each of those groups. Um,
and likely we'll need to get them all in
the same room as well at some point to
talk about how all these groups will
work together. Um, when it comes to
understanding, sharing about, and then
enforcing the rules. Um, I'll also bring
the the draft back to the equity board
before we bring it back to you. So it
won't it'll come this will be the last
group that looks at it before it goes to
council and so I'd like to go back to
the equity board with the draft ahead of
that. Um so I think the tentative plan
is to be back here in August. Um and
then go to council committee after the
board sees that and provides feedback on
that draft.
>> And that's what I got. So yeah questions
and
>> I'll just keep in touch. Well you will
but sometimes we don't have either a
July or an August meeting.
>> Yes.
I think it's August, right? You guys
take a break in August. So,
>> it can be one or the other.
>> I'll be back in September then.
>> Excellent. Thank you.
Next. I'm close that one out.
>> Good job with that one.
>> All right. Excellent. Thank you. Thank
you very much for sharing.
>> Of course. It's always a delight to be
here. I'm sorry I got to run. I got to
relieve my uh husband who needs to go
deliver a baby. So
>> it's a busy I know it's a busy evening.
>> But this is very cool.
>> All right.
>> If I can get this guy pulled up really
quick.
>> You know who Oliver is?
>> What' you say?
>> Do you know who Oliver is?
Oliver is
my advisor. Okay.
>> See if I can get this window.
>> Wonderful. Our fourth topic for
discussion tonight and review is, as we
know, Nick has been working on a
project, the trail standards capstone
presentation.
Nick, take it away.
Yeah, I'll just for the thing then they
go full screen.
>> Sorry.
>> This is a PDF, I think.
>> Maybe not. Oh, maybe it doesn't go full
screen.
>> I don't Yeah, this is what you said.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay.
See,
trying to get it the right.
Sorry.
Come on. There. I'm sorry. Oh, sorry
folks.
>> Sorry.
>> It's touchy.
It's probably
>> good.
>> All right. Well, uh, thank you everyone
for, uh, letting me speak with you you
all today. Um, obviously, as you know,
my name is Nick. I'm a senior at Gibson
High School. and I've been working with
Robin for the past uh since September,
we've been working on the trail
standards report.
And today we're planning on I'm planning
on presenting
uh the the report. The report's right
here. Um uh so we're going to be
presenting you know what's in the
report. Uh and hopefully after uh I
present uh you guys can provide some
feedback and uh input on
what potentially we could add to the
standards and then what maybe for the
future um after this you know after I
leave and after this project is complete
um what else the city can do for parks
and trails. So uh thank you
So, I wanted to kind of just explain
what a capstone project is first. Uh, so
a capstone project at Gibson is a
two-year project that began in my junior
year. And the idea is that I was going
to look into a problem last year that I
was passionate about, and I found that
parks and trails are are something I'm
really interested in. Um, and after
talking with Robin, they figured out uh
we talked and we decided we should do uh
trail standards.
And uh for this project, I started
working with Robin in September, as I
said. Uh and at the beginning of the
school year, we started by looking at US
Forest Service and other city standards
along with what we currently see along
our trails and developed an outline for
the report. Um and it initially started
as a project capstone project and
throughout the project pro process the
project has is expanded to include the
development of trail standards and
maintenance standard operating
procedures
you know for uh the maintenance and
operation teams.
The next
>> for project collaborate collaborate
collaborators. Uh I collaborate with the
Isqua Park operations maintenance team,
Outdoors for All,
um which I'll explain more later, uh who
Outdoors for All is, um Isqua Alps Trail
Club, the Isiqua Senior Center,
uh other approved city trail standards
material and parks and community service
operations team. And so they all
provided input on this report um and
guided it as we went through.
And so kind of the basis of this report,
we're really basing it around the trail
design philosophy which is already in
the city of Visiqua. It's I think it's
in the uh park plan, but it uh you know,
we wanted to kind of really explain it
in this uh report and kind of go into
the philosophy. Um, and so the trail
design philosophy's purpose is to
provide four core values that isqua can
strive to follow when developing new
trails and improving the existing system
and connections. Accessibility as a
value ensures equity, dignity, and
inclusion, allowing individuals with
physical, sensory, or cognitive
disabilities to enjoy nature safely. And
then connectivity as a value ensure
trail design weaves together the Isqua
Alps forested areas pathways and people
into a cohesive network. Walkability it
ensures trails are not only accessible
but truly usable for people of all ages
and abilities. And then stewardship is a
value in ensuring the caring and
sustaining of natural and built
environments that make our trails
possible.
Uh so that's just an overview of kind of
the philosophy of this report.
Uh and so after writing the trail
philosophy, Robin and I reviewed
different standards to come up with the
six trail classifications.
Uh the trail classifications came from
reviewing city code which references the
US forest service standards. discussions
with the transportation engineers and
then we also reviewed existing trail
types within the city adjacent public
agency standards and input from
collaborators. And so we came up with
this list of six. Soft trail backcountry
soft urban trail, urban neighborhood
trail, multi-use urban trail, multi-use
trail, and then soft and urban 88 trail.
And so I'll go into the next few slides.
I'll go in depth into each of them so
you kind of have an idea of um what
these classifications mean.
So I'll start with soft trail backount.
This supports users with exploring areas
independent of the urban trail system
and non-motorized trails. They support
recreational users ranging from hikers
to mountain bikers.
And um yeah, that's kind of just a quick
definition. And then uh next slide.
Um, so just to explain a little more
what subtrop back country, it's
essentially a, as you can see there,
it's a narrow trail with, you know, it's
uh something you would see in, you know,
Squawk Mountain, you know, any of kind
of a a big hiking, you know, uh, it's
going to be kind of the the the least
um, what's it called? Like accessible
um, because it's so, you know, deep into
the mountains. Um but it's definitely
you know it's um an important one.
>> Sorry.
Soft urban trail. It provides crucial
community main routes separate from
vehicle routes and they provide links to
cities, towns, parks and other
transportation junctions.
And yeah, this is just a good connection
between different trails of the soft
urban trail
and soft urban trail. They are wide
trails that help meet accessibility
goals, making sure we're allowing a
variety of mobility devices and make
connections between neighborhoods. Uh,
as I said, we want it to be a safe
transition from one t from one trail to
another. And this really makes our trail
system cohesive. Our trails like the
soft urban trail,
urban neighborhood trail delivers
recreational opportunities for
pedestrians and are designed to connect
neighborhoods, community land uses, and
interconnect sidewalk systems. So, these
are even more uh around the neighborhood
to make sure uh it's an easy access
point from your home to different trails
uh cuz you know it it also is
sustainable to be able to to walk as
opposed to drive to some of uh some of
these trails. So that kind of saves, you
know, some energy and kind of looks at,
you know, sustainability.
And so trail there are trails that
include a mix of paved or compacted
surfaces and prioritize safety,
accessibility, and comfort for
individuals of all ages and abilities.
So these are, you know, as I said, a
great community trail that can easily be
accessed by most of the community.
Um and then multi-use urban trail which
is essentially you know rainer trail is
a great example for that. Um and it's
intended to provide recreational
opportunities for all people and
connective regional routes within
neighborhoods and urban areas.
Um yeah so really making sure again it's
accessible for most of our community
members is really key for this trail as
well.
And they are paved trails typically
separated from motor vehicle traffic and
are designed to support both
recreational and maintenance purposes
with features that promote
accessibility, safety and compatibility
among different users.
And then we have multi-use trail
critical area
uh which is intended to provide
flexibility when a multi-use trail moves
through a critical area while providing
movement for people of all abilities
with nominal disturbances. And again,
this really gets at the sustainability
piece. you know, really making sure
we're when we're building these and
developing these trails that we are
really thinking about, you know, also
while we want it to be accessible, we
also have to think about how we make
sure it's sustainable at the same time.
Uh, and it's a special paving trail
designed to accommodate pedestrians,
bicyclists, and people with mobility
devices while being located within a
designated critical area. So it's, you
know, essentially maintaining the needs
of our community members while also
thinking about the sustainability of our
trails through critical areas.
Fine.
And then we have soft and urban ADA
trail. It's designed with specific
elements that meet current city, state,
and federal guidelines to accommodate
people of all ages, abilities, and
mobility devices. Um, a big part of this
project has been a focus on the
accessibility. Uh, I've gone into this
with really experience. As someone with
a disability myself,
I can advocate for, you know, ADA trails
and they definitely are, you know, a
good way to they're the best way to make
sure it's accessible for people of all
abilities. Um and then next slide you'll
see a picture of reindeer trail which I
think is kind of the best example that
we have in this currently and this kind
of goes I think a little separate but I
think like an inclusive playground which
is taught in the uh park bond renewal. I
think this kind of gets at like you know
uh the more the marrier. Obviously,
Reineer Trail is a good step, but you
know, I think, you know, even having an
inclusive playground, I think would be
an even more um there's definitely a lot
I think the city can do to make sure
we're accessible and including ADA
guidelines. And so, these are again soft
trails constructed of natural or
stabilized materials such as compact
gravel, crushed rock, or soil binders
designed to meet accessibility standards
to the maximum extent possible. and then
urban trails constructed of hard
surfaces located within a developed
urban environment and designed to fully
comply with the ADA.
And after working on the classifications
and discussing standards with park
operations, we realized that trail
maintenance component was necessary as
well. So the next slide I'll talk about
the trail maintenance part of the
report. So after talking with park
operations, we came up with a list of
plans the operations team can use for
trail and maintenance assessments in
addition to isiqua's standard operating
procedure and resource management plans.
And so that's the list there. You know,
the stand operating procedure, the
maintenance assessment, the resource
management plans, and the trail
assessment checklist. Those are just,
you know, some very important tools for
the maintenance team to make good
assessments of our trails to make sure
they're, you know, up to par and are
working as we want them.
Next slide.
And so after completing a first draft of
the trail standards report, I presented
to about 15 to 20 staff members at
Outdoors for All, which is a nonprofit
dedicated to enriching the quality of
life for children and adults with
disabilities through outdoor recreation.
The feedback they gave Robin and I
helped us come up with some ideas on
future trail enhancements for the city
of Isiqua. And some of the ideas
included the uh citywide trail
assessment and recommendations report
which is kind of what our current report
uh this report will kind of do but I
think this kind of furthers it. um
criteria for trail usability focused on
universal access, which would be, you
know, kind of a framework or guidelines,
a rubric you could say, on, you know,
how do we make sure um we're listening
to the community and understanding uh
how we make our trails the most
universally accessible as they can be.
Map of trails with criteria noted. So
essentially, you know, it could be like
something on the city website that could
list, you know, all the trails in the
area and say, you know, if they're
accessible or not or what their
accessibility level is, standards for
trail heads. Um, that kind of goes along
with, you know, what I was saying was
like when you go on a trail, knowing
beforehand, you know, what are the
standards so that you really know if
it's the accessibility level, you know,
is this going to be good for walking,
biking, being on a mobility device, and
then beneficial designs machine, which
would be like a high efficiency trail
assessment process, which kind of goes
along with the previous ones. So really
the idea is for future uh trail
enhancements for the city. The idea is
so that we can are considering the needs
of you know people of all abilities. We
really are you know providing the the
community with you know an idea of uh
which trails are accessible and what's
the different levels of accessibility.
Um so that's just something to kind of
think about for the future of the for
the city.
Um yeah now um some questions and
discussion um that I wanted to you know
see u get your input on. Um so one of
the questions is first question is do
you see any trail classification that's
missing from the list
and b
>> I think locked out right there. Okay.
Based on your experience or feedback
you've heard, what would you change in
the trail system?
>> I think we are trying to do this, but
just to increase the connections between
different trails. So, you know, you can
get almost from anywhere to anywhere.
>> Yeah. Because increasing connectivity
increases accessibility,
>> right?
Uh yeah. No, I think yeah, it's really
important.
Uh and then out of the list of future
ideas and enhance enhancements, what
would you prioritize first? Um yeah, if
you want to go back.
>> I really like the the map of trails with
the criteria noted. I think that's a
great first step because even if we want
to prioritize making more accessible
trails, that will at least make it um
more it'll bring visibility to it and
then more people will be able to
um advocate for their needs to be met if
they know what is and isn't met. Right
now,
>> we have a big project that we've been
looking at and that's to really take an
inventory of our parks and trails and
open spaces and really do a deep dive on
what are the amenities, what are the
accessibilities, all the different
components of it and then really
building that out so that it does show,
you know, easily on our website and a
part of that is that GIS mapping.
>> Right. Right. The chograph mapping.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
all those things kind of play together.
So there's a lot of these pieces that
you know can interconnect
>> um long term.
>> Yeah. Actually there was one piece that
actually related to this slide um I just
want to mention was we also identified
barriers from um outdoors for all and
the city the city of Isqua senior center
uh and the seniors said that kind of the
common barriers they've seen um was that
within the city system are lack of 88
parking availability accessible
restrooms and facilities lack of seating
along the trails which Robin mentioned
with the the Bill Ramos
And then the unpaved steep surfaces
which you know goes back to you know why
this report is super important is making
sure you know we have these surfaces
that are accessible. Um so yeah that's
just I wanted to mention you know we did
a bit of a small survey. It was about 22
uh senior citizens and a few individuals
with disabilities just to get their you
know input on um you know uh what they
think the city should prioritize for
trail accessibility.
>> Um yeah and if you have um yeah you can
go back to the question slide. Um um
yeah, if we like leave to if any of uh
you have any questions uh for me or on
the on my project?
>> I have some questions on your project if
that's right. Maybe not about the how
many um for your um project, how many
hours are you required to put into it
for like the capstone part of it or like
like how much of this like consumed your
>> your life and
>> Oh, yeah. I mean I'll say uh this year
it was definitely I it was more
involved. Last year was it was a year of
essentially I had to do uh research into
you know I did you know essentially into
accessibility of different areas and I
landed on trails and parks and uh
actually initially I was not like I I
wasn't sure if the city um would uh have
a need for this but then I decided to
reach out uh and to the ADA coordinator
and then I ended that she actually
forwarded and said uh Robin would be a
good person to talk to. So, um that was
late last year. And so, since September,
we've really been working hard. Oh,
let's see. Se it was, you know, really
September through um I feel like March.
March was when we finished the the the
first draft of the report when I
presented to Outdoors for All. And then,
uh last month and this month is kind of
in the the final finalization of the
report. Um, so it should be, you know,
complete pretty soon. Um, but yeah, it's
been, you know, a a lot of work. I think
it's, you know, definitely consumed at
least 50% Yeah. of my projects at
school. Um, so it's been, you know, a
lot of work, but in the end, it's like
it's just very rewarding and uh and
gratifying to, you know, finish it. Uh,
just, you know, something that it's just
such a, you know, passion project. Um,
it just it means a lot. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I just I think it's so cool. I
just want to commend you and say great
job for working on this and putting this
together. It's it's really cool stuff
what you put together. And in my time on
the board, I don't we haven't had a
youth advisor present. And so just want
to say thank you so much for the
presentation and putting this together
and sitting in front of a group of us
and and chatting through this. It's
pretty cool.
>> Yeah. Um yeah, yeah, that's, you know,
again, thank you all so much. Uh I
really appreciate uh the help from Robin
on this project. Um you know, she's been
just a great, you know, mentor
throughout this project, uh with, you
know, pretty much everything with the
report. Yeah, you've been super helpful.
Um and can't wait for, you know, it
being implemented.
>> Yes. Soon we'll take it to the
transportation board. Um, Park Ops is
going to love this. Now, they have an
SOP to go from and this is something we
can really hand out to developers, to
internal staff as just some some really
nice beginning guidelines really to take
off from. So, we're excited to we
actually have a trail standards booklet.
Oh my goodness. Amazing. Love that.
>> Thank you.
>> Yeah.
>> Excellent.
So Chris, can I go back a minute? I was
just double checking to see if we had a
quorum. So we have nine regular members.
That'd be super majority is 50 + one. So
that's five and a half.
We have five available. So I'm debating
does that count as a quorum or do we
need six?
So we have nine regular members, three
alternate.
We have five available tonight.
Going by Robert's rules, it's 50% plus
one.
5.5. Yeah.
>> So
that
do we need six? I mean,
>> good question.
Or five. Yeah, I know. Chris, in your
experience let's
>> we haven't had this come up. I think
it's
>> I know
>> because you know it's a two weeks from
the last meeting and you know this
conflict squished them together.
>> Yeah.
>> I I'm looking back at the old rules to
try and find them.
>> Yeah. I'm wondering if
>> I mean we could still move forward with
whatever voting we do and if it's just
>> and if it doesn't count
what I was thinking we could do
>> by that. So we have five. So, if we want
to back a little bit, look at the park
bond renewal motions or Ryan if you'd
like to read those.
>> Do we need to go back to elections?
>> So, our our rules say sorry if I
interrupt. Our rules say a quorum at
least five or more members of the board
shall constitute a quorum
>> for the transaction of business. Any
action taken by a majority of those
present
It just says five. It doesn't say five
plus.
>> Doesn't say anything.
>> So,
>> I'm working my way through.
>> We've always had more. So,
>> yeah, we've never really had an
attendance,
>> right? Thank you. Thank you.
>> Thank you, John.
>> Okay, that'd be great. Thank you.
>> Let's see. Voting.
Hannah, I know you can't see the room.
We're uh having a discussion if we have
a quorum or not at the moment.
>> Yeah, thank you. I'm I'm following I'm
hoping I'm hoping I can help by being
here.
>> Yeah, we're reading rules.
>> Yeah.
Really
rules.
I just don't want to miss an opportunity
if it's really Yeah. If it's effective,
>> I don't see anything that says plus one.
>> Plus one, I think. Okay. Yeah.
>> So, we're good with five.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> So, then do we have to be unanimous?
Is that what I'm getting?
>> I think that's what it is.
>> So, do you want to back up and start
with elections then and then move to
parkbone renewal motion?
>> Did you go through the voting section?
Is that what you're going through?
>> Yeah.
>> Did has anyone expressed any interest in
the chair role other than Ryan saying he
would be willing to
>> No. No. Not to
>> Okay. So, we really only have one
nominee.
>> Okay. So I can call for any nominations
right now for the chair role.
>> Sure.
>> I I nominate Ryan. I'll send
>> my second.
>> There you go.
>> Are there any other nominations?
>> Um if there are only one nomination, um
Ryan, you have been elected to the chair
through April 30th, 2027.
Congratulations. And now we can call for
nominations for the vice.
>> Do we need to vote?
I think it's just a nomination process.
>> Oh, no. You don't have to vote on it.
>> Only if there's more than one. Okay.
There's more than one. Great. That's
unanimous.
>> Cool.
>> Then we'll now call for nominations of
the vice chair role. Are there any
nominations?
>> Nominate David Loop for
>> I'm assuming that you're okay with that.
>> Yes. Sorry, I should have asked for
>> any other nominations.
>> You want your first second?
>> Oh, all second.
>> Y
>> Okay, there are no other nominations. Uh
David, we you've been elected to the
vice chair role through April 30th,
2027. Congratulations.
>> Thank you.
>> All right.
>> Wonderful.
Thank you. I look forward to being your
chair for the next uh year. Very
exciting times. Um we do want to move
forward uh with
a couple motions here um regarding the
park bond renewal.
So that as a reminder that was regular
business A.
Um, so I motion to recommend that the
city council move forward with the park
bonds renewal this November at 8 cents
per 1,000 assessed valuation with the
proposed package of projects presented
tonight.
>> Is there a moment for discussion? I I'm
not going to oppose this in any way, but
given that we are five, including a
brand new person,
>> right,
>> I'm wondering if we could do at least a
quick
>> Yeah. update to let you know what what
are we even talking about that
>> great thank you
>> we're asking you to or we're not asking
you but we're suggesting that you
provide unonymity um so the city had an
active park levy bond bond bond
>> uh you know so on which uh homeowners
have been paying or property owners have
been paying tax and it has been at 8
cents per thousand dollars of home or
property value and the decision the the
decision at hand is to uh renew that. So
it straight renewal would just be
replacement 8 cents continuing. Uh so
property taxpayers would not see an
increase. Um we compared um what some
other jurisdictions were doing and some
of them had I mean one of them had like
20
>> 25
pretty high I think Mercer Island
>> um and um we made a list of projects
which was presented that
seemed to
distribute what we thought we could do
for that amount of money uh and attacked
the
most needed goals uh or mo most um
desired items.
And what else am I forgetting here? Um
we did talk about you know do we think
uh we could people would want a larger
bond. Uh and I think the most important
thing was that we wanted it to pass
>> and I think that the inclination was
towards just the maintenance and that
was also what uh city council was uh
leaning towards. Um, so our role at this
point is to we provide an advisory vote
to say city council this is what we
support and then they take it from there
and do the real decision making. And if
anybody wants to add to that I just was
trying to Yeah.
>> Oh, that's great.
>> Yeah, I'll layer in a little bit more.
So when new mayor Mark Mullet was
elected, he learned of this bond renewal
and actually came and joined one of our
meetings where he presented his kind of
vision for his what he heard from the
constituents when he was on the trail,
etc. And this was a piece of that. He
saw this as an opportunity to bring to
voters the chance to renew something
that they're already paying for versus
lose that. and him working with Jeff
amongst other people uh believe that
along with just the bond they can get
some grants and some other stuff to fund
20-ish million dollars of product
projects.
where we hummed and hawed and had our
conversations last uh especially at the
last meeting in particular was do we
make it a higher amount
with the hope or opportunity to in
reinvest into the Julius Bone Pool or
reinvest into Tibbitz Valley Park which
are the two kind of biggest
I mean since I've been on the board are
the two biggest things that are talked
about in terms of spending in increasing
or expanding the pool or reinvisioning
Tibbitz as a big park in particular
um with the new development coming
across the street from Tibets that's
going to increase regional
transportation and all sorts of stuff.
So that that's kind of how this vision
came along and how the robust
conversation about I think Chris did a
great job like summing up that's kind of
what we're we're the advisory piece.
were saying, "Hey,
mayors, city council, we've heard from
the people we've talked to regarding
this stuff. We've talked about this as a
board.
What we're looking to do with this
motion is say, "Hey, we're just
recommending as the board of the
citizens of Isiqua. We don't have any
power really, but we're just saying we
recommend that you continue to proceed
forward with this renewal of the exact
same rate versus more because we we want
the value to be and then it actually
passes like Chris said versus putting a
bigger number out there
>> and then not getting anything and then
you're losing $20 million of
>> park. How long is the bond renewed for?
>> 10 years.
>> 10 years.
>> 10 years. Okay. in that time or since
the last bond renewal has there been any
outreach to the community about their
willingness to pay more could that I'm
just curious that's just a question
>> that's because this came up so in such a
short time frame that's what we're doing
right now and I think we have heard some
from the PTA board uh a lot from the
elementary school
>> I also our right runway is so short. We
couldn't do we don't have the time or
the
>> funding to do a scientific survey is
what I'm understanding. Um then two
other components is is that these
proposed projects have been informed by
um our 2024 park system project plan. So
these aren't new projects. These are all
ones that have been um kind of vetted as
small, medium, and large projects. And
so the the package itself is one that um
is based off of that plan. Um and then
other component too that's worth noting
is that we what we do know is that
there's two um city of Isiqua has been
um uh community has passed two prior
park bonds in 2006 and 2013. So and I
think they're 20-year bonds maybe.
Right.
>> I thought they were 20.
>> Yeah. So repayment would be 20 years.
We're trying to accomplish
>> and get these built within six to 10.
>> So part have been um have been
>> funded through largely through but
bonds. So we do know that that there's
that history. Um so this is another
opportunity to continue that.
>> If I can that that was really important.
Um if I can elaborate. Yeah. So we have
the perks plan and the way the directors
describe this it's this you know list of
everything that we want you know the
city wants
>> what we think the city wants and what
people have said they want and that
includes really expensive things like
tibbits and the pool those are more
costly projects and to very smaller
small ones and so
um from that funnels down and and o over
time things get done and new things get
added
And the idea with the bond is a bond
helps you tackle some of the larger
items whereas uh if let's say we didn't
have that bond in place, parks could
continue to do smaller projects but
they're just very limited. And uh I
think what Jeff described last year so
or last meeting is in a 10-year span
with the bond we can get done what might
take
>> 25 years I think or
>> yeah 25 or 30 significant
>> so it helps us tackle larger things
>> in this case with with staying with 8
cent uh so just a straight renewal
>> um we can't really tackle some of the
huge things but that's just the reality
of you know all jurisiction
Um, and but it does help us get a bunch
of stuff done.
>> Thank you.
>> Yeah, I would add in and we're just
adding at this point, but we have the
city of Isqua has put to ballot two
different bonds somewhat recently and
they're for school
>> bonds and both of those
>> right
>> and those were
>> significantly higher.
>> They were much bigger
>> big amounts. So viewing that context,
I understand
the decision for that. Thank you.
>> Yeah. Good. Yeah.
>> Thank you.
>> Um
if I want to second the motion. Oh,
>> I'll second the mot. Sorry, who made the
motion? You did. Okay, I'll second the
motion. I interrupted you.
>> Oh, that was great.
Um, I need to do anything after that.
>> The second motion, there's two separate
ones.
>> Yeah. No, I mean, is there like there's
no voting
vote after the motion?
>> Okay.
>> And then we vote.
>> It seems like we should. It's
>> Yeah, we should still vote.
>> Let's vote.
>> Yeah. Okay, let's vote.
>> I mean, especially we don't know what
Anna's doing at all.
So the the motion has been made to
recommend the city council that move
forward with the park bond renewal at 8
cents per thousand assessed valuation
with the proposed package of projects
presented. We have a motion. We have a
second. Now we're going to vote. Give me
a yay or a nay. Hannah.
>> Yay.
>> Leah.
>> Yay.
>> I note Leah is a alternate for your
tracking of alternates and that rotates
through Chris. Okay, David.
>> Yay,
>> Ryan. Yay.
All right,
>> make it make it noted. bill. Um, and
then the second one I'd like to uh move
to recommend that the city continue its
efforts on the expansion of the Julius
Bone Pool and looking at the uh
reimagining of Tibet Valley Park outside
of this uh park bond uh renewal motion.
second.
>> All right, we have a motion and a
second.
>> We want to just do a little bit of an
explanation of that one. Probably not as
much as the first one, but
>> go for it.
>> I was hoping you would.
>> Okay.
So the um kind of the the the thought
here is because
we had the option to uh put forth
a higher bond ask and potentially get
money for the pool or Tibbitz Valley is
because we're concerned about it not
passing. and we as a board and as a
community have a lot of passion
especially about the pool and timbits um
a lot of passion which is awesome is
that we want to just make sure it's
known for the city council that we
saying yes we want you to proceed try to
uh proceed with the eight cents but we
want you to know how important it is
that these other two things continue to
be in your view in your focus and in
your lane for future improvements
>> thank you
>> yeah that was Perfect. Okay.
>> All right. A yay or nay. Hannah.
>> Sorry, I thought I was muted. Um, yay.
>> All right, Leah.
>> Yay.
>> All right, Chris. Yay, David. Yay. Ryan,
yay. We got five. Yay.
>> Okay.
>> Both motions pass.
>> Motions.
>> Did it only Yeah.
Um,
>> thank you for helping us.
>> Yeah.
That's exciting.
>> I think I got the vote for like my
second.
>> Um, and with that, we'll move on to the
report. Does Jeff have anything?
>> Um, I think it's just to reiterate the
um open house and to really start
speaking to your community members and
and encourage them to come. We are
still, it's not been put out there on
calendar events, but we're working hard,
having just gotten the space confirmed
uh next or late Friday. Um we're really
working hard to get that um out um as
quickly as we can. So, um know that it's
at June June 2nd at 6 PM. Um we're we've
secured the uh Pickering Barn space. So,
um, yeah, we I think it's just going to
be a a real good great opportunity to
just continue to share information
about, you know, this and really just
continue to, um, gain excitement and
momentum on this on this work. So, um,
that's really our main
>> stage to do that. So,
>> website coming shortly after.
>> Yeah, that too with more information.
>> Y
um, Hannah has her hand. Yes, please.
>> Um, will that open house be uh also
available online if we're not in town?
>> I don't think so, but we'll check on
that.
>> Okay.
>> I think it was it was just more meet and
greet answer questions, but as far as I
know, we hadn't established a
presentation for it.
>> Okay,
>> cool. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
Um, not much to report as the chair. I
note I'm uh excited, as I said, for the
upcoming year of re-chairing the
committee, the board. Um, it is Memorial
Day weekend coming up this weekend. So,
just a reminder, if you have an
opportunity to get out there, um, I know
there's some great events at like the
Lower Hillside Cemetery. Um, I believe
there's a veterans event at the um,
senior center and there's also not
outside Memorial Day, but uh, there is
the I believe the fourth weekend of the
farmers market this weekend as well. So,
make sure you get out there and do
something in the community if you can
this weekend.
Anybody have anything else they want to
note for the
group or add to the
minutes?
Anna. Yes, please.
>> Sorry, I'm like the most annoying remote
person. Um,
>> you're doing great.
>> I just wanted to take a second because
um, yeah, at the end of Nick's
presentation, I didn't get to say
anything. I just wanted to say that he
did a really great job and um, I wanted
to thank him for presenting. And I also
wanted uh just to throw it out there
that I can't um I'm kind of shocked that
there's not already a accessibility map.
I also work with Eastside Friends of
Seniors and um I just know how much
these seniors would appreciate knowing
where they could go walk close to their
homes. So, um I think the accessibility
map is just a huge valuable potential
tool and thank you for doing the work to
um bring light to that.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you. Great feedback.
>> Yeah, very helpful.
>> Um as noted, our next uh meeting will be
June 22nd.
With that, it is 8:52. I call this
meeting end.
>> Cool.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Sorry for the confusion. I just wanted
to make sure we didn't miss an
opportunity.
>> Yeah. No, it's good. Otherwise, we would
have
>> had been extra meat.
>> Yeah. Shoved it off.