Hi folks online. Can you hear me? Sort of. Yes, I'm seeing. Okay. Um, we're having some technical difficulties in the room here at the manor. So, I'm working through some of those. And no one can see you but me. Um, so I'm going to work on rectifying the Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. All right. second screen. There we go. >> Promising. >> I wonder if they can see. >> Can any of you see the room or you only see me? And also you see nothing because my >> Oh, >> so now you can see me. >> You >> and probably your microphone is the only microphone. Can you guys >> Can you say something again? Keep talking. Hi. Is >> that pretty? >> I'm sorry. Not Diana, Dan. Hence. >> Yeah. Yeah. Can you hear me? I can hear Jeff pretty well, but >> yeah, you're coming out of my computer. >> And not the room. >> Okay, hold on. So, they kind of locked some of the stuff down. So that we didn't have to do this, but then the stuff in the room's supposed to work. So >> now connecting to >> Yeah, it should our typical teams console is It's dead. It's plugged in. >> Power. >> Yeah. >> So, you slip it under me. >> Sure. >> You did. >> Then we go like this. >> Okay. And then maybe plugging this in here and see if that works. Maybe. >> Test test. Dan, can you say something? >> Yep. Hello. Hello. still coming out of still. >> Um, I'm gonna try one thing and try and >> try and change the speaker. >> Speaker, >> can you talk again? >> Yep. Hello. Hello. Hello. Sound check. That seems like a good reaction. >> Progress. >> Positive. >> But progress. >> Um, okay. I cannot get the video to connect though. So, you're not going to be able to see the room. Um, but you get to see me >> and um >> we can raise hands while we speak. Dan, you can I guess PowerPoint will be interesting. And that um Santi, you can navigate the PowerPoint on your screen. I guess Dan, you'll see that, right? You'll see it. >> I should have on my own, too. >> I think we'll make this work. Do we want to press record? And >> it's already recording because it's a Microsoft Teams thing. So, I'll fix that. I have to stop later. Sorry, guys. >> Welcome back. >> Something so good to have you back. >> Nothing changed. Oh gosh, please don't. Um, sorry that this is so strange and wild. Um, but with that, Ryan David, >> welcome on November 24th, 2025. >> Chair, I call this meeting LTS club park board to order. >> We'll start with a roll call. Ryan Olson uh present. Oh yeah, please say here. Present or make yourself known. David Lou here. >> Katie Bell >> here. >> Chris Kovac >> as an excused absence. >> Tim Mley. >> Anna Novakovic >> here. >> Diana Ren. >> Sorry. Present sorry Jane Tushi >> here. >> Marlene Waxy >> here. >> Paulair >> here. Martha Gner >> also has an excused absence. >> Jeff Newell >> present. >> Thank you. Sounds like we have a quorum. >> Yes. >> Excellent. Thank you. Um, has everybody had a chance to review the minutes from the last meeting? If so, are there any corrections or edits? Um, if there are no corrections, then the minutes are approved. Work, so I'm having to do this a little bit. Um, public comment that's correct. >> Yep. >> We have one in the building. I think none online. >> This is serving as a microphone as well. >> Question mark. >> I'm just trying to get honey and you might want to Yeah, certainly come close enough that we can get your voice. >> Yeah. >> Come on over. >> Sorry, I've been polishing jewelry. I All right. I'm Connie Marsh. I live on Squawk. Squawk has trees, you know, and I seem to be talking about trees a lot when I come here. So, that may be what you all think I'm about all the time. It's just not true. It But you probably don't have the same memory that I have of Isiqua. And so I was just going through our Isqua Environmental Council newsletter from 2003 and uh it shows the newly cleared Isiqua Highlands. And right after the newly cleared Isiqua Highlands, then they were going to build on Park Point. Um, and they were going to build a southeast bypass that was going to going to run an eight lane road behind Isiqua High School and allow access to development up on up on uh Tiger Mount. And so this this was isqua eroding away and the idea that it could be deforested because you'll see when it gets around to you how naked it was. That's that's the view out of our window. It used to be a forest and then it turned into that. So when when someone like me says trees, it's because we've worked for 25 years to protect as much of our forested nature of this town as we can because it is part of our culture. It's the outdoor recreation. It's our part of our reason for being and it's our financial attraction. People say, "Oh, it's beautiful. Oh, it's so green." And it makes it expensive. It makes it hard to develop. But it is a core value of our town. So when I talk about the tree code, it's because I have reread the tree code like 10,000 times and I see the failures of it. And when I read the heritage tree thing that I was the last person who tried to submit something for, which actually never made it to the park board except for me coming here at Jeff, never officially made it to the park board because they said it actually did not adhere to the standards at that time. And that is why they've tried to change the the application form to make it so that it would be more functional. So I read the because Jeff did bring it to Parkboard. It was just it didn't make it. It didn't go any further. And so for me um that was a waste of my time except for the fact that we might get something better. So I read this I say is it better? And I have to say no. It's not better because as a person who reads code in the language, I cannot protect a heritage tree on a public piece of property in any particular form that I can understand because I I wanted to get the trees that are around Tibbitz Valley Park protected. And so the first step is you need the uh approval of the land owner which is public. So I don't know what that means. Don't know the criteria. Don't know how it works. Don't know who decides. Don't know if you all get to see it. Right? And then and then it goes through a process to see if it's good enough. Right? If it's not good enough, then the park director can just say it wasn't good enough. And there's no thing that I'm paraphrasing, you know, >> it's all good. Keep going. >> Um, but there's nothing saying it has to come to the park board so that there can be an explanation of why it wasn't good enough. So maybe there could be discussion about it. And so it's only if it's approved by the land owner, potentially the city, and then approved by the parks director, that you all might get to see it. And I disagree with that. I think it needs more eyeballs than that. Now, if we don't want heritage trees, then we just say we don't care, right? There's also that snappy bit of code that we just had the uh a code change on our tree code that basically added the ability to take pretty much all the trees out of some areas of the central Isiqua plan and that includes all heritage trees. So currently and so I think some language needs to be added if you think that maybe in the central Isqua area there might be some heritage trees that you want protected because right now there's no way to protect them. Okay. So my tree passion continues. Maybe one day I'll talk about something like the aqua. Wouldn't that be exciting? Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Has anybody caught up online at all? >> No, doesn't look like it. These are just our members. >> Thank you for comment as well as the artifact that um with that we can move on to regular business. We have on the agenda item. >> We do. I'm happy to to give an introduction. Dan Hint is with us online. Hi Dan, our urban forest supervisor. Uh Dan will be um going through the the presentation tonight. Um I guess just as as way of introduction, um I know we've had a number of discussions about the Heritage Tree program. Uh we are excited to bring this to you because we very much are looking forward to a staff of getting this Heritage Tree program um out and available. Um and quite frankly, what you'll hear tonight is we really want to position it more publicly. Um, you know, this has been a program, as Dan will highlight, that uh started in 2005. Um, pretty much every tree that was has been nominated and selected uh was done by city staff. Uh, we want to change that. Uh, we want this to be much more outward- facing uh program. And so, the intent tonight is to talk through content. Um, hopefully get your approval of content. Uh, we then will turn around and put promotional materials together. um greatly update the promotional materials and um get this out and promoted um charted in 2026 so we can have a series of trees to talk about or nominations to talk about um in 2026 as as Dan is um going to share. Um another thing I really want to emphasize is um this is a program. This by itself is not policy. This by itself was not code. Um um but as a program it is really intended to celebrate the trees that we hold dear. Um and thankfully you know from 2005 to now we have um a more holistic urban forest program. Um and and certainly a a strategy to take care of every tree whether it's designated heritage or not. Um a far more robust tree coat exists now too. Thanks Maronei and and community. Um, is it perfect? Probably not. But, um, it's certainly pro progress. So, this program is not intended to, um, do the work by itself. It's it's meant to play a role in a much more um, collective cohesive approach to taking care of um, the trees in and around Isiqua. So, with that intro, Dan, um, thanks again for for joining us tonight. Great. Thanks, J. Forest supervisor. Um, a handful of slides. We talked about this just a couple months ago. So, I want to kind of get into discussion, but these will be a little bit more specific on, as Jeff mentioned, kind of content and process for the heritage tree program with the goal of getting this relaunched and reactivated in 2026. So, Sy, we can jump to the next one, please. So, you all saw the slide back in September, but just to kind of set the baseline again here, um these programs exist across the nation. There's quite a few of them in in Washington. Most our neighboring cities have some form of heritage tree program. um really you know kind of uh looking at significant trees to the community you know and that is where we'll get into that kind of content here on the next slide but you know really meant to recognize celebrate certainly elements of protection and you know education around you know those unique trees that embody is aqua or you know they they might be heritage trees elsewhere too and then some of them tell a very specific community story too so there's there's a little bit of both there um and as Jeff mentioned you know this was developed initially in 2005 five um but have not had a heritage tree nominated or added to the catalog since 2012. We have about 25 uh trees give or take currently in our heritage tree uh program. Next slide please. Okay. So this is where we'll get into um characteristics the three categories that we have defined a few changes from what was uh produced about 20 years ago. Um I can give a few kind of reasons for those justifications but certainly could be part of our discussion at the end of this presentation. Um so specimen is really looking at a tree of exceptional size. I did want to emphasize for its species. Um we have a lot of obviously large growing long live trees like our Douglas furs or a lot of our native evergreen or conifer trees. Um and those are great. I'm not to say that those shouldn't be considered and they have been quite heavily already in this program. But there's a lot of tree species that can be far on in maturity, contribute a lot to our tree canopy, uh but not necessarily be giant trees, but for for it species, um might really stand out. Um that relates to age, of course, too. Older trees generally are going to be bigger. Um could be different growing conditions, so that's not always 100% the case, but age and size are definitely pretty closely correlated. Um form, and then rarity. So talking about tree species that uh may not be real common in Isiqua, you know, for instance, we have a big leaf magnolia tree at Gilman Village as a designated heritage tree and that is the only one I know of within the city of Isiqua and even in its native range is a pretty rare tree in the southeast of the United States. So guess kind of an example of of a species rarity there. Uh historic um a tree recognized by its association with a historic location, structure, person, or event. I'm going to kind of hop ahead uh to changes down there and come back to ecological value. But we specimen we've kind of uh you know looking at other programs in the region here and just thinking it's a little bit more accurate than purely size or age is the category we had before. So that is a change uh while it still encompasses size or age it's a little bit more broad to emphasize uh form rarity as well. uh historic too. We removed you know specific call out to early settlers which was in our kind of first uh version of heritage trees created 20 years ago. Um to really just just make make it clear this is not purely a you know kind of European 1890s on early Isiqua. There potentially could be other historic trees that are associated with cultures or events prior to then. Um we've discussed some we're not going to get into depth tonight that culturally modified trees for uh tribes here are not going to be included in this program and that is off of consultation with both the Muckleshoot Indian tribe and Snowquami tribe and concerns of publicizing what are very sacred trees to their people. Um we would like to provide highlevel education on culturally modified trees probably as a complement to this program but won't be identifying or or nominating specific uh culturally modified trees but we we did want to kind of update the historic category there um to make that a little bit more inclusive. Uh ecological value is the last one tree that provides special ecological benefit not commonly seen in Isiqua. Um there could be more added to that. We're trying to keep these pretty short and concise, but other cities that have similar and and you know, this is stuff we could we could, you know, write in into the, you know, considerations when we're designating trees or considering what trees to designate, but often you're talking about habitat for wildlife. You're talking about air and water quality benefits or, uh, storm water benefits, uh, carbon sequestration, which might relate to bigger, more long live trees, but is certainly an ecological benefit provided by trees. So those are often the um uh categories that you're looking at when you're talking about ecological value. And I want to highlight before we move on here that you know heritage trees should and likely will encompass multiple categories and there certainly overlap. So that isn't to say that it heritage tree couldn't just specifically be a historic tree, but likely that might be a older tree, a large tree, um similar with overlap with ecological benefits too. So, we're kind of looking at these as really kind of interwoven uh characteristic uh categories for our heritage trees. Um so, the ecological value didn't uh change much, but you know, wanted to provide a little more context of what that generally is intended to mean around, you know, wildlife, uh storm water, air quality, carbon sequestration. Those are the those are the type of things that are highlighted in in similar programs that use that that category. And hop on to the next one, please. Um, so really want to kind of just emphasize and to really clear what is in our code and and and what uh you know potentially doesn't exist in terms of uh protections around heritage trees. So this is copied and pasted from our uh most recent updates to the tree code um 188120 heritage trees. Uh so we're meeting tonight on the first part of this you know establishing a process to designate a tree as a heritage tree. We might have to make some small tweaks to this, but for the most part, it still captures age, size, ecological value, or historic historic association uh within the city. Um, publicly available tracking data, including removal of all heritage trees within the city. We have, to my knowledge, never removed a heritage tree that has been nominated. We have had a few that have have died. And actually, we have a couple that are still habitat snag, so not living trees, but they're, you know, they're they're still there in some form, like one of our heritage cherry trees at Pickering Barn. Um, removal of heritage trees is prohibited. So, this is really kind of getting into the the protection part of it. Regardless of size, except as provided in IMC 1881250. So, that is essentially what our um approval criteria is for tree removals. So that's removal of a tree meeting the definitions of a nuisance tree. Removal of a tree with the purpose of replacing dead, dying or diseased trees. Um thinning heavily wooded areas which I don't think would likely apply here. Um but that is also one of the removal criteria that technically would be eligible and removing trees providing solar access to buildings incorporating active solar energy system. Um, so really the the caveat here and Connie is certainly getting into some of the nuances of this is that for the most part heritage trees can't be removed as part of development projects. Um, there are caveats there. One of them is that our whole tree code chapter has uh language on variances. So you know exceptional conditions exist to prevent full compliance with this chapter. A variance may be granted. So that that could apply to heritage trees, that could apply to other uh canopy targets and things like that. And that sounds, you know, kind of what's going on with some of the uh centraliz uh uh development code, too. So um but like for the most part, like I said, the biggest protection is that uh from from development projects um with with the 18812 uh 120 heritage trees there. Um, we've also kind of confirmed talking through our community planning, talking to other cities, you know, this is not deed it down. So, if you do sell your property, that is part of something, you know, this this applies mostly for heritage trees on private property that the new property owner would still have to sign on to. So, that'd be something that we would need to do our best to track uh connect with, you know, any potential new land owners and really kind of talk through the the program and the process there. Um, and move along, please. question. >> Thank you, John. Um, okay. So, now kind of getting a little bit more, we've talked a little bit about the, you know, kind of content and categories, talked about the code, and now we're kind of talking about process. Um so you know the the way it's worked in the past and I think we continue to plan to do it this way is you know nominations can be submitted at any time but we would like to set you know a time frame and a kind of uh schedule annually that we will uh review um uh all the all the nominations coming in for heritage trees. I guess kind of a step before that though is we really want to use our annual Arbor Day which is usually our first Saturday in April as a really big kickoff for program promotion. So once again people can submit annually but we would like to use that event as an opportunity to really kind of push this program out to the public. You know really try to connect people with some of their favorite trees while you know emphasizing these categories that we have for heritage trees uh characteristics and you know see what sort of nominations we can get. uh as Jeff mentioned, you know, as much from the public source versus, you know, the the past city forester or from someone like me who certainly has candidates in mind, but I think that's more powerful if that's coming from members in our community. And keep in mind that would be both be for trees on public property and and certainly trees on private property as well as a goal to build that up. I would say right now it's about 25% of our trees are on private property. Several of them in Gillan Village, a few that are truly on private residential property, but the bulk of them are on uh public property at this point. Um talked about must having signature for property owner, but this is kind of getting back to where we want to set some regularity that we'll have city staff uh review annually in July. Um, I do think there are conversations on how we could work, you know, whether that is a parkboard meeting or an ad hoc team where we're really kind of working together with myself to kind of review and and see what uh trees we think best meet the criteria and intention of this program. So I think that's certainly worthy discussion too uh here in just a little bit how we want to kind of take you know whatever nominations come in in that year leading up to July for that review and then you know kind of the process of how that might be whittleled down to what actually comes to the park board in September for uh reviewing and approving um possible designations of heritage trees. Dan, can I can I add something as well? Just as you and I have talked through this process and we want to make clear >> um and I think the question has been raised but uh the intent of this program is that um as any any nomination all nominations will come to the park board. You will be shared with you. There's not an intent of um only bringing before you nominations that are recommended by staff. um you would you would see any and all nominations and this work that would be done um in the summer uh that um Dan would lead we would uh certainly work with any other whether it's a private property we need to do the work with those private property owners if it's on public property certainly do the the necessary vetting we need to do um so you would see those nominees nominees that are being recommended will be commun communicated it to you, but you will see both those that are not recommended and those that are recommended for heritage trees. So, uh there's no intent to somehow shield from you nor the public um any trees um that were that were nominated. >> Great. Thank you, Jeff. Jump to the next slide, please. Um this is a a little redundant to the last slide, but if people like flowcharts better than bulleted list, uh maybe this is a little more uh uh fitting for for you, but um you know, really kind of looking at this kind of from, as I mentioned, you know, our annual spring arbor day really focus on program outreach form submitted. um they could come in before that, but you know, that's really going to be the three-month window or so in the spring and early summer that we're going to really focus on driving uh nominations from the public. Um you know, part of the viability review, we'll talk a little bit more on the next slide on, you know, some kind of little bit more nuanced considerations and purely the characteristic categories we talked about in one of the first slides. Um but some of that will be, you know, location. And we want to make sure these trees are in relatively good health so we're not nominating trees that are then you know going to be pose hazards or be kind of falling apart within you know 5 10 years or so. So that'll be something that'll be on me is doing some you know kind of uh you know both health and structural condition assessments um as part of that tree health assessment. Um for public trees we are you know talking about having directors keep in mind that might be Jeff a lot of the times for parks but you know certain trees are within rideaways too. So there could be conversations with um Emily Moon, our public works director on this too. But um private nominations of course is a slightly different process. They're the little blue bubble um you know working to make sure they understand what that kind of looks like on private property and getting the information we need from them uh before potentially moving forward to that uh you know kind of final review of a of a you know somewhat whittleled down um collection of heritage trees that we think are most fitting for designation in that given year. uh at the September park board meeting. So those approved trees at that point, this becomes more of the formality, but they'll go to likely an October or November city council meeting where there'll be a mayoral declaration uh designating formally designating those heritage trees to the program. Um once that's awarded, you know, we have to add to the project map, photos, descriptions to the website and public facing. And this is a good point just to kind of call out that, you know, in my head, this is really phase one. H how do we how do we get this up and running? uh really try to, you know, get new trees into this program. But such a big part of it is after that, how do we make this more engaging with the community? How do we make it more educational? How do we make it so people actually know when they stumble across a heritage tree, it's a heritage tree, you know? So, we've talked in the past about small little uh identifying plaques and things like that, too. So, there's there's a lot of work to do there um to continue to build the visibility of this program uh on that kind of public facing side of things. stuff that in my couple years with the city so far, we've kind of dabbled with leading some um partner hikes with Isiqua history museums on uh heritage trees and cultural history of Isiqua. Um and then there's been some kind of one-offs reaching out to me around interest to get more information, updates to our website. We definitely need a little bit better of an interactive map versus, you know, just kind of list of addresses, but uh things that we'll continue to build out um as we get this program up and running again. So that's kind of the proposed updates to process and timeline and really trying to kind of solidify, you know, some of the feedback we heard is that a lot of this stuff just came to the park board in September and then kind of move forward. There wasn't, you know, that opportunity to have a little bit earlier touch point um or much opportunity if there are public nominations coming in to, you know, really truly kind of review, vet, and gather information, you know, about those individual heritage tree nominations. So um I think we just have one more slide here if I remember right. >> So just a few considerations that that I think are important but this is certainly worthwhile discussion. Um, and I I I some of this based on feedback I've heard from the park board recently in the last couple months and as we sort of brought this uh um up when I started about two years ago um before um you know kind of moving priority to the forest management plan tableabling this for a little bit and coming back. But these are um definitely considerations that I think are important when we're trying to move nominations forward to designation. And some of that is species diversity. uh you know do we already have a lot of these tree species designated already? That doesn't mean we can't add more, but I think you know one goal of this program to me is to educate around a wide variety of species. Native species is a big part of it, but there's certainly introduced species that are really important for a lot of the, you know, characteristics we're talking about for heritage trees in our community and I think are worthwhile consideration as well. So, I I I put that in there because, you know, we do have a lot of Douglas fur. We have a lot of uh redwoods, you know, trees that are naturally very big. Um, but maybe don't celebrate some of the tree diversity that we have in Isiqua as well as we could be doing with this program. So, that's something to consider. Like I said, it's not a we aren't going to nominate more Douglas fur trees or or designate more Douglas fur trees, but something that I think we should just be kind of sifting through when we're comparing nominations against each other. uh tree condition I already kind of touched on, but you know, we want trees to be in a good condition. That's kind of looking at the health of the tree and then also the structure of the tree, which could relate to, you know, potential hazardous issues. Um, tree size. This is, you know, not something that I I I think we'll ever have a, you know, just like clear guidance on is this tree big enough for a heritage tree, but there's a great resource out there called Washington State Champions where most of our tree species, both native and a lot of the common introduced tree species we use in the landscape um have have uh you know, measurements for some of the largest specimens in the state. So, you know, similar growing conditions that we have, it's in Washington alone. Um, and we could use that as a as a point of reference or point of comparison when we're kind of talking about size uh of trees here. And like I said, not necessarily just the biggest biggest, but of that species. It might be um uniquely old or large, you know, for for a given species. I'm thinking of something like the Pacific Madrron that doesn't grow very large, but you know, can still be a a specimen tree. Um, so that is a great reference I think that we could be used as we're kind of working through the nominations and and trying to whittle that down to potential designations. Uh, noxious weeds, you know, there's several trees on the King County noxious weed list. Um, so I think it would probably make sense not to include uh trees that are listed as noxious weeds uh as part of our heritage tree program, but that that's something we could certainly discuss. Um and then lastly, you know, number of designations. Knowing that this program has been dormant for uh a decade plus, uh historically we limited that at three, I do think it is important to have some kind of higher bar in criteria for uh you know, achieving heritage tree status. The goal is not to just have, you know, hundreds or thousands just kind of thrown right back into the program. But we also realize that, you know, as we try to get more nominations, try to get more people involved, three certainly seems like a limiting uh number to really kind of jumpst start this program, too. So, we're looking at uh waving that here as we as we restart the program. Um, >> well said, Dan. Do do you have an example of what a a noxious tree would be? >> Yeah, I mean, the first one that comes to my mind would be uh English holly. Um, horse chestnut is listed as a a weed of concern on the noxious weed list. English Hawthorne, I've actually had a family reach out to me that has a really large old English hawthornne on their property and they've actually been interested in not necessarily heritage trees, but other ways to protect it. Um, which you know, potentially. So, I think these are the things that are considerations that are that are out there that I that I have been contacted about. You know, you could you could spin it the other way where it could be used as this is still a you know, old tree meets the specimen standards, but we really educate around why we don't propagate this or we don't plant this um because of its invasive uh properties, but those are a few that come to my mind. Hawthorne, chestnut, holly. >> Um there's probably a few more I'm not thinking of. It's not a huge list for what it's worth. You know, most of the noxious weed list are are truly, you know, herbaceous weeds or or or shrubs, you know, things like blackberry ivy. Um, but there are certainly a handful of of species on the King County noctress weed list. >> Thanks for that. >> Yeah, >> I think the next slide, if I remember it correct, is questions and discussion. So, I will pause there and happy to kind of chat through as a reminder. You know, we're kind of talking about the that the content, you know, essentially those three categories. We talk about heritage tree characteristics and some of the small tweaks there and talking about the code or protection element and then really talking about uh process for for um jump starting this program again in 2026. And while you're all thinking uh questions or having discussion, uh Dan, maybe you and I could could tag team this u because I know it's it's a discussion we've had as a group um a couple of times as we've talked about do we want to consider groves or stands of trees? Um, and Dan, I just thought maybe we could talk about this a little bit and that um, as we've done some sort of comparing with our peers, looking at how other cities handle roads and stands, um, we feel like there's more work to do. Uh, we we don't feel like we're ready to to um, sort of put some boundaries or understanding around how do we recognize the stand of trees? Does that mean every tree has the same um the same protection? Um are we recognizing the stand or are we recognizing each individual tree? Um and so um it's not that we don't want to uh we would like to do a little bit more work and um in a year or two be able to come back um when we feel that much more informed and know how to you know do we create a subcategory or is it the same category and just you know how do how do we treat that and so um and I guess an example to that is as a program we don't want to leave this untouched for the next 20 years um like any program that we do um in many divisions of this department, let's let's review the program every two or three years um and see how we might want to adapt um add to it, adjust to it. So, I just wanted to give that as an example. Dad, anything to add to that? You know, your last point kind of nailed what I, you know, wanted to emphasize too is that, you know, this is something that to to me guess kind of use the phrase a lot, you know, maybe a little bit of pace over perfection. really trying to get this going again, trying to get trees uh you know, new trees into the program, trying to engage the public, use it as an educational tool, but know that there's certainly things that we might need to change or tweak um moving forward and making sure that as as Jeff you mentioned, we're setting aside that time, you know, in the next, you know, one or two years after hopefully rolling this out in 2026 to to kind of revisit and readjust as needed, including the groves of trees, which which I would say it's, you know, there's not that we have to follow other programs. It's it's probably, you know, 50/50 out there in terms of cities that have some elements of collections of trees or groves or stands of trees. Um, and then ones that really look at the kind of individual uh heritage tree status. So, >> thanks. Looks like we have some raised hands, Ryan. >> Yeah, Jane, I think you're the first one I can see. >> Yeah. Hi, everybody. Um, this is awesome. I'm really excited about this. There's a uh there's a tree that I walk by every morning with my dog Walter that I say hello to that I'd love to nominate. I'm just thinking through how I might approach this if I wanted to nominate this tree. It's on somebody else's property and I'm looking at the um Isqua Heritage Tree brochure that's on the website currently. I it sound it looks like it needs to be updated which I think is part of this conversation. I just had I I just had a couple of thoughts on that. one is it in order to make it easier for somebody like me to nominate a tree that's not on my property. Um uh I there's a field in here that says description of the characteristics of the tree. I'm kind of curious if we can just like amend that a little bit to give like a little checklist of the criteria that we listed before in terms of like you know s all the stuff that was on that slide of like what we're looking for. So that's like idea number one. Um idea number two is that same um uh that same brochure. Uh right now it says I understand the heritage designation does not limit my my ability to prune, remove or otherwise maintain my tree. So if I'm understanding uh slide two or three of this deck, that might need to be updated. And then um idea number three was just um again like if I wanted to nominate that tree that I say hello to every morning and I hope you all don't think I'm crazy for doing that. Um is um if I if I wanted to just use this pro brochure to go up to knock on the property owner's door and say hi I love your tree. I'd love to nominate it. Like a few quick bullets that say here's property owner here's what you're signing up for. if you say yes to this. So like it'll be on a map, it'll you know, whatever whatever it might be. So you know, just something that says that makes it easy for eliminates friction from that conversation. I may be reticent for whatever reason to go up to my neighbor and say, "Hi, I dig your tree. I'd like to nominate it." Or whatever. So anyway, those were just those are just some suggestions, but um otherwise, I think it's an awesome program. I'm excited. Thank you. >> Great suggestions. >> Thank you, Diana. >> Hey, sorry, I was muted. Um, so my comment I guess is about the engagement with the public or um your uh suggestion that we might put up some kind of plaque or um signage to inform the public and educate them about the specific characteristics of this tree and why it's included in the program. Granted that not all of these trees may be accessible to the public because they could be on private land, but for the ones that are, um, I live by the reindeer trail. I see a lot of people coming to visit the troll and they are often on kind of a a you know process of seeing all the trolls in the area. It would be cool if we could have some kind of um stamp to be collected at each location or a QR code to scan, something that encourages people to engage with, interact with these trees and actually go visit them um learn more about the program. >> Love it. Dan, I know you've done some brainstorming around that. >> Take that simple hopefully fairly. Yeah, Diana, totally great point. There certain we have three buro trees that are in someone's backyard in the Sycamore neighborhood that I don't think they want people just you know kind of walking in willing to so yes there certainly are ones but then there's private trees that are more publicly accessible as I mentioned we have three heritage trees within Gilman village so that's certainly something we probably could work on you know with them um but yeah I I to me once again this this is such a such an important part of the program as I sort of kind of mentioned phase two is how do we build that awareness of our existing heritage trees ones that we're hopefully nominating next year and and and adding to the the catalog um would be small little even like 4x4 plaques that have a QR code that do that takes you back to our website where we have more information. It certainly could be something as it is a little bit of a you know kind of collector's thing where you can go out and try to visit all of them. Um, a little aside, you know, one of the best emails I got in the last year was from a mom and her seven-year-old daughter who is super into trees and asked for, you know, more information and maps and details on heritage trees because she wanted to go visit all of them. So, I mean, that's the type of stuff that I really want to continue to like be able to build out and offer to the community to do independently and then certainly as part of like organized events as well. So, yeah, a little 4x4 that has, you know, maybe the, you know, is aqua heritage tree. it has the species name and it has a QR code that can both, you know, be a sort of, hey, I' I've visited this and also here's more information on on why that tree uh got designated. So, to to me, that's definitely a big a big project. Um, well, not necessarily big project, a big important part of, you know, really getting recognition and and educating the community around these and having, like I said, hopefully little just I don't think they need to be big signs, but just small signs that kind of call out awareness of the program, the tree species you're looking at, and then, you know, opportunity to QR code to more information. >> Yeah, right on. >> Uh, question. Is there any financial impact to nominating let's say 100 trees in 2026? Is there beyond the plaque is there any other things that either the city has to take on as a burden or parks department >> and Jeffy please jump in if you have different thoughts or or anything to add. Um I think that's definitely part of you know kind of the the the lessons learned if if we get to the point where it is just an excessive burden on staff. you know, my intention is to be the one who's, you know, receiving and doing the initial review and kind of contact with whether those are trees on private property or publicly managed trees. But yeah, if that gets to be 100 trees that I have to go look at, as much as that like sounds really, really fun, I do have other, you know, responsibilities where that would be pretty timeconuming. Um, you know, the idea is giving ourselves a couple months, you know, we could spread some of that out, but um, yeah, I think I think there are some are some considerations on just the uh, sheer scale. I mean to me though that would be really awesome if we can get the community that engaged but then you know we might have to think of some guard rails to to keep that in a you know reasonable level for you know being the only forester at the city to do some of those initial reviews and and really kind of putting together information to have folks like you on the park board help you know kind of make those decisions how to get it down to a certain amount of trees that we actually want to designate. So, yeah. So, I mean, I've been I've been trying my best not to use them interchangeably and sometimes I mess up the words. You know, nominations very different than designations. You know, more nominations is is is great, but yeah, thinking about the the the time and and resources to go in to, you know, essentially review and all those. Um, we, like I said, we still want to have a fairly high bar. We're not going to set an exact number on it, but we still want to have a fairly high bar for how many actually end up designated annually. And just because it's nominated and doesn't get designated, to me that's a really cool database we could kind of keep information on and and we could potentially consider those trees again in future years, too. So, um, yeah, Jefferson, I don't know if you have other thoughts on that, but well said. Great question, David. Yeah, I don't I don't see in the foreseeable future a huge cost to to this program. Um and and um I think Dan said it really really well, right? You know, there there's the process for the nominated trees and a and a and a a resource cost, right, to to sort of processing that bringing that information to you all for for um you know, final consideration. Um and then yeah, a a tree designation and and I don't know that we're trying to set a cap. I I suppose eventually there would be some inherent increased cost but it would be relatively nominal. Um I think the the importance of that designation is the significance that it holds right and and um again understanding the relationship this program does have with the tree code. There is a protection that that goes with that and an additional protection. Every tree in this community is protected to some degree, but it it brings an additional protection that um again doesn't have a a cost, but it has a um Yeah. It has a impact. >> Yeah. I was thinking more of after it's already been designated. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Five or 10 years down the line, let's say it is on private property and it's dying. It's a tree that's dying. Something happened to it. like whatever it is, property owner can't maintain it. They're like, I need to cut this thing down. Like, does the city step in in any case or it's still >> No, that would still be the responsibility of the of the land owner, whether it's private or public or if it's on other if it's on school district property, right? We're not the only public land owner, right? Uh it would be the responsibility of that owner um to to maintain, manage, or again if it became diseased or needed to be removed. So, it's truly a program for celebrating the >> Exactly. Well said. Educating and celebrating our trees. Yep. >> Again, I hope it all sounds great, but I'm curious if we explored are there unintended consequences or cons to this program? Like I hear all the good stuff sounds really great, but I'm like what are like or have you guys talked about like what are I 5 10 years down the road, we have all these trees designated. Are we then spending a bunch of time trying to figure out when we're growing a squa what we're going to do about these trees? Like what is the like long-term bureaucracy that we're creating? >> It's a great question. I'll I'll take a first stab at this one. Dan, please jump in. Um I don't think it's a con. I don't think it's a con. I I think it's it's the it's the inevitable tradeoff to this program is how I would put it. And so when we think of recommending a designation to you all, there's a lot of vetting that needs to do because with that comes that responsibility and and um uh when we think about um the city and and our land constraints, I'm going to I'm going to say this um as um your steward and manager of your public lands, right? Um um as we look at um and I think it's important in in 2005 I don't know that the city had a strategic park system plan. We have one now. I think it's going to be a really important reliance and relying on that park system plan to say hey not only what does that neighborhood park now but what does that neighborhood park need to possibly do in 15 or 20 years? Um, and as we think of that nominated tree that's in that neighborhood park, is that complimentary to what that park plan system plan or what the community saying they want that neighborhood park maybe be in 15 years? Um, let's try as best we can to be complimentary. Right? So, I don't see it as a con. I guess I just see it as the responsibility that's going to come with that designation um on on a on a public park. I I say neighborhood park, but a community park or you know somewhere that we know or we've identified might need to to handle some growth um in the coming years. We need to try and be smart and and and balance those realities. Is that in the um criteria that we talked about earlier? >> That meaning >> um like understanding the longterm future use of the land sort of land use. Dan, do you want to talk about sort of the land use aspect? >> I I think Jeff kind of summarized it pretty well. I mean c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c certain areas I'll have an understanding on but I might need to work with Jeff or Robin our planner or if it's trees that are on public works but I think it's for especially private trees or trees on other public lands that's not city just making sure folks are aware of the protections that are added and then you know what is eligible removals um so like I said it doesn't mean if the tree is you know declining rapidly that you can't get rid of it if it's posing a hazard um so I think just being really really clear with folks applying that you know this this this is what is you know kind of protected with heritage trees and then this is where it still kind of falls under uh you know allowable removals. So I think I think Jane asked the question around you know some of the language there. You can still prune, you can still do a lot of tree health care for your heritage trees, but just to just outright be able to remove is I think something that has uh changed since the 2005 program developed. Um, so yeah, I I think it's just being real clear with folks and and that's where it can be a little tough on private property. There might be areas that are just no plans whatsoever to to do anything to. So having heritage trees there would be great and having that recognition might be something that people would be really proud of. You know, like having a certificate, having that mayoral designation, you know, that could be something that would be really cool to people. Well, then there'd be other people who might still love an individual tree, but they might hesitate to do the nomination just because just just to be safe, you know, hey, we we might do something, you know, kind of land use wise. But but I don't know. I think that comes down to to kind of each individual scenario. And I think it's just really making clear that whoever kind of the decision makers there are are informed of of you know what what does uh kind of add protections and you know what is allowable for um heritage tree car and removal. I feel like I didn't do the best job explaining that but um yeah so it's it's really needing to work with with the the folks who are actually signing off on the on the nominations. >> Yeah. Another thing I just wanted to sort of point out to that point, Marlene, is sort of in this flowchart, if you will, sort of this this part here, the nomination reviewed by city for viability. Some of that is is Dan's work going out and like checking tree health and and all of those things and does it meet those other criteria that he had, but this also allows the opportunity for, you know, does this tree fit within a plan that we may have within our park system plan. So, that review is also happening from staff. So from, you know, uh I'm going to say Robin, but from the park planning perspective, um from our our long-term sort of planning documents, so the park system plan, you know, if it's something that's a rightaway tree, is there something in in like a public works document for sort of long-term plans for for say um road expansions or something like that? Definitely is part of this sort of viability review. um it's not um called out in those specifications, but I think that's kind of where we're thinking that that work is happening. Um because again, those specifications are they're they're they're generic. They're general. They're not like everything encompassing. Um and and we don't want to do that because we don't know what these heritage trees are that people are going to nominate just yet. Um so please don't say I'm trying to like trees like >> of course like Yep. >> I think >> great question. Yeah, >> Dan, maybe you could just outline a little bit more on what you believe or your the thought on what the actual submitt process will be because I know Jane talked about the brochure from 2005 is what kind of revisions and updates we made there. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, obviously having like an online form which would make it really easy for us to organize nominations to, you know, whether that's through Microsoft forms or some other platform the city has. I would still like to make it available for people that would like to submit a written nomination, but but absolutely um updating stuff to make that a online submitt just that's you know right on the heritage tree website that we have already. Um, I think Jane brought up a great point too that, you know, instead of just really general, yes, in the in the actual fields where you're submitting stuff, you know, really kind of reminding people, hey, these are the things that we're hoping that you touch on, uh, in terms of, you know, that those categories for the characteristics that we're looking for. But, um, yeah, so that's something that I think, you know, assuming this moves forward, Hani and I would be working on pretty quickly in early 2026 to get something set up, like I said, that we can really start pushing out for our Arbor Day celebration in April. Thank you. Is there any hands up for people that can't see? Can you tell? >> I don't think so, but let me see if I can sh this. >> I have a general comment. Just like saying that I really like that we're doing this we're doing this now because I know about like a lot of like the growth plans of the city and to like the points I like saying I know that this heritage tree won't be like this tree is not protected forever because it's always a baron this is this but adding certain barriers to the growth of things that we determine are special special things community gets involved and they like all these trees I know once growth starts happening it can move fast as as it's by you know conure when things got crazy there. So, I like that we're doing this now kind of as anticipation of that to kind of protect certain things or at least add a little bit of a barrier on things that may special that may be important to the city and trees on the park. >> Good point. >> We have any other questions, thoughts, comments, concerns? This is an action item of ours. So we we have kind of Oh, there we go. Next steps. Thank you. Opportunity. >> Uh let me read the slide first. >> It's just basically if you all feel ready. Um if you want further discussion, by all means, we can have further discussion. um if you would like, you know, some more specific changes in writing um that you want to see before you feel ready to to take action as a board. um or if you're ready to make a motion um to allow staff to sort of continue and and get this program open and and see what heritage nominations we have and with with the caveat that you know both Dan and Jeff have mentioned that you know once this is open that doesn't once you've said yes that doesn't mean that this is the only way that this program is going to go if it goes and like David said we get a hundred nominations and they're all amazing and they all seem like they could fit the criteria, then maybe we need to come back and and do another review and and make sure that that happens within the next, you know, one to two to three years rather than like this the 20 years. >> Exactly. And and so I think that's just just to add another point to what S is saying. I think the the the recommendation, the the request tonight is is um if you feel comfortable with the content we're talking about, we would love to bundle us up, get it promoted, and push it out knowing um it's a program. So, it it it's not this isn't your only this is a different than advis or seeking action on building a park, right? We're we're going to touch this again a whole lot sooner than 20 years from now. uh we're going to probably touch this again in two years and and see how things are going. So um >> and also know that these trees are then this program is is stewarded by you all as a board. So these these nominations are going to come to you at every September meeting. If you'd like to have an ad hoc committee, you can make that designation in January and that can happen and those can have meetings leading up to that September meeting. If September doesn't work for everybody, you know, we can make those changes, but that you all as a board feel comfortable that that program is going to be in your stewardship going forward as well. >> Awesome. >> You feel like we're in a collective where we can recommend moving forward. >> Well, then we'll make a motion to recommend moving forward the updates to the heritage program for relaunch in 2026. Is there a >> second? There a second. Thank Katie. Um and then just a note because we have two regular members missing. Um both our alternates are acting as regular members and voting. Thank you. >> Do we is there some type of input we needed from those on that? >> Um so >> there's a second. So, if I if we can get a hand raise for those that are in favor of moving this forward from both online and in room. And if you can keep your >> I suggest stop sharing so people can see. >> That's a great idea. Chef >> can turn their camera on. >> Done this in a long time. >> Oh, good. >> Um and yeah, you can just use the little teams um option to raise your hand um online for those that are voting. if you vote yes and then in room um if you can keep them up because my brain is slow. Two, six, seven. Um and then any that are opposed and anybody that abstains. Okay. Um with seven votes, the the motion moves forward. So thank you all. >> Thanks for the discussion over multiple years. Dan, thank you for taking a new a new look and and your commitment and our commitment to to make this much more public facing. Um really really look forward to seeing what you know how the community responds to this um as we roll it out in these new ways. Um I I'm going to certainly make a commitment that as you see in those materials, we'll make it very clear as we spell out the process that um park board will be seeing all nominations, not just um um some select few that staff think um make it through that all nominations will be brought forward, those that are recommended for designation and those that aren't recommended for designation. Um you will see all of those. Thanks again everybody. >> I think that's our one item of regular business. >> It is. >> Yeah. We'll move on our reports. Yeah. >> All right. Well, hey, um happy Thanksgiving week. Um hope you all have a a wonderful holiday this week. Um uh certainly a lot to be uh a lot to be thankful for for for certain. It's been another another busy, productive year. Um couple updates. Um uh 2026 uh budget. As you may know, this the city um adopts city council adopts a banual budget. Uh so they now adopt a two-year budget at a time. So they adopted the 25 2025 2026 budget um last year in 2024. Um, as we head into this second year of that banial budget, of that two-year budget, uh, there is, um, a more abbreviated, um, sort of series of work that happens with council to look at any budget adjustments that we want to make. Um, things happen in any given year. Um, two examples I have that, um, as we discussed with council over the last month or two, uh, they recently adopted some budget adjustments heading into 2026. um a couple that are are positive for resources within parks and community services. uh one namely in park operations. Um so you all may be familiar in August King County park levy went out um countywide uh within that park levy um there's a rather small and I'm going to emphasize small I think you guys have heard me really really small portion of that levy that is allocated to cities um um I'll save my editorial yeah I'll leave it at that but that allocation will bring to for this 2026 this next sixyear cycle that allocation is a little bit bigger for the city of Isiqua. Um was about $200,000 a year in the prior levy um um it will be just over $400,000 $410,000 a year uh to the city of Bisqua. So with that new allocation of money and given that starts in 2026, this is a great example of why uh we went to council to adjust the 2026 budget. Uh we are going to um hire an additional maintenance worker too, a a full-time maintenance worker um and also um have increase some of our operational costs pertaining to some of the new parks uh that were just um uh recently opened. So, um um great news there and that um uh that those levy proceeds um a portion of which so now what the allocation was the split for the $200,000 just so you know $100,000 of that went into our operational budget our general fund to pay for maintenance $100,000 of it went into our capital program to help um uh with our capital projects. uh that allocation with this 410,000 will be a 100,000 will continue to go to parks capital 310 will go towards operating costs thus um helping with this additional staff person that's uh that's needed um also in the 2026 budget as um operations and programs at Pickering Barn have continued to flourish uh you might remember about five years ago we really set an intentional goal uh to to really recognize the barn as an iconic public space and and break out of the shell or the thought that that was really just an event facility. We really see that as a community hall. Um their programming has been going um gang busters. It's going really really well. And so with a mix of additional revenues um and taking some of what was budgeted as part-time money, uh we proposed adding some additional revenue into the budget, reallocating some part-time money. We're adding a coordinator position um at the barn to just help um create a sustainable staff uh to help keep a lot of that good community use and community work um happening um and programming happening in the bar. So appreciate both of those um um um support from mayor and council on that. Um speaking of mayor uh with the election that happened earlier this month, uh we're in the midst of a mayoral transition. uh within the city. Um Mayor Paulie um is retiring. She didn't seek re-election. So after eight years of service, uh there's certainly a number of celebrations that are going to be happening. Namely, there will be a community event on Monday, uh December 8th at the senior center. Um I should have had the time. I believe it's 5:00 pm to 7 pm. I can confirm that, but um I'm sure you'll see some invitations out there, but um more than welcome to attend that uh community event um if you're interested in attending. But um um seeing Mayor Paulie off and and just the the service that she's provided to this to you all and to the residents of of Isiqua. At the same time, uh, Mayor Elect Mullet is um um into his transition um as um department heads, as city staff, uh we'll probably be seeing um there towards the end of December after as Mayor Paul is transitioning out some additional work and understanding work plan goals and priorities um of the mayor. So, uh certainly look forward to um just working through that transition. Um, in my in my career, um, I' I've been around long enough, certainly had a number of mayoral transitions, um, and and certainly look forward to this one. I know as Mayor Mullet settles in next year, he'll be interested in coming out and meeting with boards and commissions, so we can probably look forward to a visit or two from uh, the new mayor in the coming year. Uh speaking of 2026, one one last quick update uh with Asanti back. I'm so glad Asanti is back. Um parks municipal code. If you remember that conversation we had uh first quarter as as um Assanti was preparing for leave. Uh we are going to pick that ball up. Assanti's already been working with the city clerk's office and the city's attorney's office to begin doing uh some preliminary work um in both if you remember that process. We want to consolidate park code is sort of all over the city code right now. Let's consolidate that into one chapter and then let's um add some additional park code that really has never existed um or been in place um um to make sure we have code uh that pertains to park uses um park rules, park functions. Um and so look in the work plan as we begin to shape that for 2026. multiple touches with you all as the board that then as a code um update will then go through a a pretty rigorous process with a couple other boards of commissions as well as ultimately um city council adoption. So um we look forward to that um getting underway. >> One last reminder, we do not have and will not have a December meeting historically. Um, it's usually some holidays that happen that third, fourth week in December. Um, but as I've offered in in prior years, I would love to take the month as opportunity if you'd like to meet one-on-one. Uh, have a chance to just talk through park board or interests or priorities you all see. Um, would um would definitely welcome that. Um, I'll reach out to all of you and see if that's something any of you want to um take up this month. We talked about potentially an ad relates that something that we want to talk about the new year or how we >> Yeah. So typically the board has sort of designated ad hoc committees at the January meeting if there are items in that J in that work plan for the year that makes sense to be ad hoc committee and that way um you can sort of decide what needs an ad hoc and then um solicit membership at that same meeting as well >> is on remains on the list for that planning >> to go by with >> that planning planning process. Yes, it's a great example for an ad hoc opportunity as is heritage tree program as Dan said. So, yeah, January to that discussion. Thanks, Ryan. >> Thank you. Um, the youth representative tonight's person report. I don't have um much to share out nothing from my end. Is there anything anyone else wants to bring up or discuss or comment on or >> fun to see the trees getting ready like the new park by uh we call >> Oh yeah. >> Yes. tree lighting. Yes. So So for the holidays uh that that park will be lit up um a number of ways um for the holidays. Yeah. Yeah. Y >> um our next is January 20. >> Yes. And let me make sure that that date. Yes, that's a Monday. Yes. January 26th is the next meeting >> in the new year. >> Yeah. >> Excellent. Um well, all right. Great meeting everyone. I'd say with with that we will uh adjourn this meeting at 8:13. >> Thanks all. Great holiday season. >> Thank you everyone. Sorry for >> technical difficulties in the room but we'll have it fixed for the next time. Take care.