meeting of the equity board at 6:03 p.m.
And um we have a quorum this evening,
Julian.
>> Yes, we do.
>> Fantastic. Uh would you like to call the
role?
>> Yeah, I would love to.
>> Thank you.
>> All right. If you're present, please say
so. Um Leslie Millinder,
>> present.
>> Harsh.
>> Heather Youngs,
>> present.
Vicky Moody Pan here. Varnica.
Laura Gilmore. She has an excused
absence tonight. Um Chris Sadi
>> present.
>> Okay. Oscar Montana
>> present.
>> Juan Palmer,
Kelly Mun,
>> present.
>> Nisha Nair,
and Kunal. All right.
>> Great. Fantastic. And this is the part
of our meeting this evening where um we
are open for public comments. So do we
have any members of the public that
would like to speak at this evening's
meeting?
>> Yes. I am Victor and I am a member of
the community
for many years. is a sculpture artist
and
just someone who cares about um
transportation and the safety of the
kids getting back and forth with their
new hot rod electrical vehicles that are
speeding and having fun. [laughter]
So yeah, I'm just here to see if I can
help anyone here.
>> Perfect.
>> Wonderful. Thank you so much for joining
us, Victor. Thank you for that.
>> Victor, could I have your last name just
for the record?
>> White.
>> White. Okay.
>> Thank you.
>> Everybody calls me the moss man.
>> Let me stick around long.
[laughter]
>> Fantastic. All right. Our next um agenda
item would be the approval of the
minutes from the September 3rd, 2025
equity board meeting. So, they're inside
of your u meeting packets. If everyone
would like to take a moment to review
the minutes and let me know if you have
any comments, changes, additions
>> [clears throat]
>> Okay. Were there any comments or
corrections to the minutes of September
3rd?
Okay. Looks like there are not. So, may
I ask for a motion uh to approve the
minutes of September 3rd, 2025 of the
equity board?
>> I can make a motion to approve.
>> Fantastic.
>> Second.
>> All right. Any discussion?
Okay. Guess we can um call for the vote
to approve the minutes.
>> I think if there's no discussion, I
think they're just approved by
>> Oh, just approved. Okay. I'm doing my
meetings at my meeting. Go ahead. You're
good. Okay.
>> All right. Fantastic. So, uh, the chair
report. So, uh, opening question. I
thought we could have a fun question
tonight, which is, if you could have any
supernatural power just for Halloween
night, what would it be?
So, if you could have any supernatural
power just for Halloween night, which I
do believe is next week, what would it
be? So, who' like to start?
And I think we should start with the
folks on Zoom.
>> Yeah, I'll go ahead. Um, probably
flying. I like flying and travel, so I
think it'd be perfect to kind of like
take that opportunity and just like jet
all around to different places, you
know, with the flight ability. And yeah,
>> that sounds fun.
[clears throat]
Awesome.
Let's see.
>> I'll go next.
>> Just piggy backing off of that. Yeah,
teleportation would be great. Um, skip
the lines, travel. Um, can go anywhere I
want.
>> What about Dale?
Oh my gosh, what a good qu. I I have to
agree with Chris. Immediately flying
came to mind. Um being able to zip
around, get to get to the next the next
house or the next neighborhood uh
quickly would be uh key.
[laughter]
Let's see. And we have Misha
So Nisha,
>> hi everyone. I'm sorry to be late.
>> No worries. So the question, the opening
question for tonight is, if you could
have any supernatural power just for
Halloween night, what would it be?
>> Oh, that's good.
I think also I think I think the travel
I think the ability to go from every
single house to get candy
in the world would be incredible.
>> Oh, that's sweet. In the world.
>> In the world. Go big or go home.
[laughter]
[clears throat]
>> Think we got all of our our zoomers. Um,
who wants to go next?
>> Uh oh. time travel. I would love to see
my family in the past and in the future.
>> You took my answer.
[snorts]
>> Very cool.
>> I'll go next. Um, I'm going to have to
say teleportation. That was the one that
I thought about today. That would be so
neat to go anywhere in minutes and then
come back and then go again. So, yes.
>> Very cool. I can go next.
>> Um, to be able to create whatever treat
anyone wants instantly.
Oh
>> yeah.
>> Um I would say something along the lines
like like the Flash being able to run
everywhere to see us get as much candy
and see [laughter] as many haunted
houses as I possibly could.
>> So Corfix was very kind. I would be
going the opposite direction. I was
thinking being invisible so I could
totally sneak up and scare people for
real. [laughter]
Real Halloween.
Victor, do you want to share?
>> Oh, I thought this was just for y'all.
>> Oh, you're here with us. So, if you
could have any supernatural power for
just for Halloween, what would it be?
>> Hercules. Hercules.
>> I [clears throat] would like
Hercules power. That way I could lift up
anything for one night and I would be
moving
a lot of things that are kind of
blocking the salmon from doing their
thing, blocking the people and doing
their thing just for one night just to
help out the nature and and people.
>> All right.
>> Very nice, Michael.
>> Well, thank you guys. I love all these
great responses.
Fantastic.
>> Jeff, I don't know who
>> I know who Jeff is. I
>> was gonna say
>> he might be uh a relative. [laughter]
Yeah. And he might be there with my uh
father. So, um, so, um, uh, Jeff Irwin,
the question, our opening question for
this evening is, if you could have any
supernatural power just for Halloween
night, what would it be?
>> Question.
>> Yeah, she's asking she's asking me that
question. It would be to breathe
underwater.
>> Cool.
>> I've scuba dived and it's like a whole
different world down there.
>> Okay. Very cool. And yet and yes, your
father is here. [laughter]
>> Hello, Les Father.
>> Hello.
>> We have a special guest, Les Millinder,
visiting from California.
>> Thank you guys. It's great answers.
>> All right, it looks like our next item
on the agenda is our staff report from
Jillian.
>> Thank you. All right, so I have a couple
of updates for you all. So, um I think
you'll recall that at our last meeting
there was a lot of prep for culture
fest. Um and then that happened that
week. Um council president, deputy
deputy council president D. Michelle had
interest in using that equity versus
equality um sign board at the farmers
market. It didn't end up happening
because of like space at the at the
booth. Um but I think there might be
interest in using it at future events.
So it's stored at city hall and I'll
make sure that Dale knows where that is
at. um for you all or if council wants
to use that um because I think that went
really well.
>> Thanks.
>> All right. Um so this meeting was
originally scheduled to be a joint
meeting with the transportation advisory
board. There are two purposes to this
meeting. The first was going to be to
discuss refining the equity
considerations in the city's
transportation projects and to discuss
the Isco climate action plan update with
the transportation advisory board. So
the transportation portion of this um is
going to be deferred until next year. Um
we we adopt an annual transportation
improvement plan or TIP. Um but it's
actually adopted uh every two years as
part of the larger capital improvements
plan which includes capital projects for
our parks facilities
um you know sewer, storm water, our
different utility projects. So, we
thought that if we were going to uh
potentially look at the equity
considerations, we should do it with all
city projects in mind and not just this
narrow set of um of transportation
projects. So, the next CIP will be the
20 will kick off the CIP process in
2027. So, next year we'll likely review
um some of the transportation some of
the equity criteria for the capital
improvement plan. So, that's been
deferred. it hasn't been um taken off
the list. There's a memo in the I think
maybe other business portion of your
agenda that explains that u from the
administration and I'm happy to answer
any questions about that. Um the IAAP
update was deferred until November 19th.
Um at that meeting uh the sustainability
program manager will come and provide an
update on where they're at with their
IAP update efforts. Um and they'll be
asking for one or two of you to join
their metrics committee to review um
selected metrics from the IAP plan for
equity in mind. Um this was removed from
the agenda just because it made more
sense to talk to equity board about
equity related items and talk to TAB
about the transportation portion of the
IAP. So that's why it's no longer a
joint meeting and just a regular meeting
um of the equity board. Are there any
questions? Yeah.
>> What is IP?
>> Oh the is climate action plan. Okay.
Sorry, [laughter and gasps]
>> I have a related comment.
>> Okay.
>> The um King County strategic climate
action plan was just approved by county
council
>> maybe yesterday and so I don't know if
there's an opportunity for the high cap
for them to explore aligning with that
regional impact.
>> Yeah, our sustainability division is
awesome and I'm sure they're already
aware, but I'll ping them and let them
know.
All right. And then you all see Dale
Murphy Crimp on the line. She uh she is
back in action. So she'll be your
liaison starting November 19th. Um and I
won't be your liaison anymore. Um I do
just want to say thank you. Um I'm been
a liazison for for an Isiqua border
commission and you all were really
patient um with me and I just I really
appreciate the opportunity to work with
you all and to work on equity items. I'm
sure I'll be back in front of you with
the equity assessment and any number of
other things, but you'll see Dale in
this chair starting in November.
>> We want to thank you for all of your
tireless work, your patience with uh a
lot of us newbies here and the guidance
and uh just the the the positive energy
that you've brought to the role. Um I
appreciate you and I want to thank you
very much for everything you've done.
So, thank you.
>> Thank you. Thanks a lot. You're here.
>> [laughter]
>> ask that question.
>> Yeah.
>> Um the the role as a liaison, but I'm
new to these types of meetings. What? I
don't know.
>> Yeah. So, our city advisory boards and
commissions advise the mayor and her
administration on different policies and
things like that and the liaison role
facilitates that advising. So brings
topics to to the board to consider,
responds to to board interest in
different topics, and does some like
administrative things like this is a
public meeting, so take a few minutes
and that kind of a thing.
>> Yeah. Um, speaking of the fact that Dale
will be back for the November 19th
meeting, you all have a request from her
to see which date works better for your
December meeting, either December 10th
or 17th. So if you haven't emailed her
already about what date works better for
you, um, you all won't be meeting on
December 3rd. So, just let her know
which date works best.
All right. And that is all I've got.
So, we're going to go to I guess our
next agenda item, and that's the um
equity assessment RP review.
>> Yes. And and this is me as well. All
right. [snorts]
Let me go ahead and share my screen.
Uh the RFP is in your pocket for those
of you who are in the room or the link
is there um for those of you joining.
Um and I'm here to to talk to you a
little bit about it and to get a little
bit of feedback from all of you on the
draft RFP. And then we'd also like for
one or two of you to serve on the
selection committee for consultants. So
I'd also like to understand um your
interest in doing that as we gear up for
that.
So, we'll have four questions to discuss
tonight. Um, it's just broken out this
way so that we can have a targeted
discussion on all of these. So, the
first question is, is the proposed
community engagement sufficient
considering both budget and need? And
we'll talk a little bit more about what
that means? If not, what is missing? Are
the proposed touch points with the
equity board the right ones? Are there
other places where this board thinks it
should be involved?
Okay. Um, and then
are the proposed deliverables the right
ones? If not, what's missing from our
deliverables list? And then are there
one or two of you who'd like to assist
with consultant selection? So, just for
a little bit of background, the last
touch point with you all on this um just
on the equity assessment as a whole was
actually in September 2024.
Um, I think you all remember that I was
in front of you a fair few times in the
last year with the Evans team. that
group was really focused on city boards
and commissions and taking a bite out of
some of the um some of the assessment
work there. Um this is the larger all
city programs evaluation that we're
talking about now. So when we last
talked about this RFP as a whole, some
of the some of the feedback that I had
gotten from you all was the importance
of data. Um where to point staff to it,
how to use it in evaluating our programs
for equity. Um, also I remember uh a lot
of importance on getting community
agreement on what the goals are are,
what equity means in Isiqua, noting that
sometimes there's confusion in these
conversations among staff, among other
boards and commissions, among community
members, among electeds. So really
getting everyone on the same page with
what equity is going to mean here for us
and what our goals are. Uh, and then you
all had a fair bit of interest in equity
board involvement. Also, you can shut
the door if you want to.
[laughter]
[clears throat]
>> Um, so you all had interest in
participating perhaps in some of the
community engagement. We really want to
lean into you all um some of the experts
in the community and people who care a
lot about this. So, this is one of the
places where I'm going to ask for your
feedback on the draft RFP. So, this was
drafted by the equity team over the
course of the summer. Um, that's that
internal staff team that works on equity
items. Um, and it was it probably went
to them four or five times just because
this is a little bit tricky to um,
navigate given the budget that we have
for this. So, we spent a lot of time
talking about what actually made it into
this RFP and how to get there with the
funds that we have. Um, it then went to
our staff leadership team and the mayor
for review and they've signed off on
what you see in front of you today. So,
you all are the last stop before um,
before publication.
Okay, so overall we have $50,000. Um,
and what we want to do with that
$50,000, actually let me back up for a
second. We've talked about this project
in three phases. Goal setting, equity
program evaluation or assessment, and
then an equity action plan. We want to
get through all of phase one with this
$50,000 and take a bite out of phase
two. So really look at creating an
assessment tool that we can use to
evaluate our programs and have the
consultant do a pilot review of one or
two programs um so that we can uh we can
see how it works. We can build a little
bit of staff capacity to continue work
in phase two. Phase two won't likely be
complete at the end of this um at the
end of this um but we know that we want
to make progress and we know that we
want to do more than just visioning um
and goal setting. So that was really
important to staff.
So let me walk through the deliverables
a little bit. So phase one goal setting
is really focused on getting community
input on what equity means in ESQA. So
the deliverables I'll read them briefly
here because I want your feedback on uh
on the public touch points and on the
touch points with all of you. So we're
asking for one meeting with staff on a
staff developed community engagement
plan. This is something that I would
envision bringing to the equity board to
get you all get your sign off, get your
input on. Um, but we just know with our
budget that we probably can't have the
consultant design that plan. Rather,
we'd like to have them give give
feedback on it, make sure it works for
the their goals, um, and the work that
they are going to need to do. Um, but
really have staff take on the brunt of
that work. Um, we also would like one or
two facilitated meetings with community
leadership. We think this is where we
can get kind of the most bang for the
buck for the consultant knowing that
they can be the experts to facilitate
conversations with our council with all
of you with other community leaders on
what equity is and get us to those e
like getting get us to those really
broad equity goals. Um we don't think
that maybe staff is best equipped to to
do that.
>> Yeah. Uh so when you say equity goals
and community engagement, is it to um
to rise up and find out what people want
us to do with equity or is it to find
out where everybody is on equity?
>> It's to find out what they want us to do
with equity. Where should we be going
with equity essentially? Um, and I think
a part of this conversation and backing
up from the deliverables for just a
second, really the goal of phase one is
to understand what level of trade-off is
the community okay with in order to
reach our equity goals because some of
them will require tradeoff, right? Um,
so really having those conversations to
set a baseline knowledge. Um, and then
creating some some pretty broad goals.
Um phase two is more of that where is
everyone at compared to where we want to
be.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
Um so following those a couple of
meetings with community leadership to
understand where we want to be
understanding our tolerance for some of
those tradeoffs. There's going to be a
summary report on those meetings. We are
going to ask the consultant to co-create
presentation m uh materials and then
we're going to ask um that they come
back to do a follow-up with the goal
setting findings because the consultant
won't be engaged in every part of the
public engagement. Some of that will be
undertaken by staff. We need to make
sure that we bring it all together um
for council for other elected leaders at
the end. So that's what that um fifth
bullet is really referring to. and then
we'd ask for their help in drafting the
communitydriven
uh goals and vision for equity work. I'm
going to pause here and see if there are
any questions about the phase one
deliverables just to clarify.
>> I have a question. Mhm.
>> So
you're saying the consultant would be
leading one or two meetings with
community leadership and then not seeing
what the bigger community engagement
plan is because it's I'm not it's not
been developed yet. And um
I think
in in previous like meetings and
conversations we've we've there's kind
of a sense that people are all over the
place in terms of their understanding of
equity.
So to get to like community consensus or
some sort of level of agreement around
goals could be really hard and
challenging. you know, if we have a, you
know, come y'all types, you know, those
types of community meetings. Yeah.
>> So,
>> um I'm I'm trying to think it might be
uh important to sequence the meetings.
So, I don't know whether the ones with
the consultant with like community
leaders should come first to start
>> framing out the shape of it, seeing how
they frame up equity before uh it goes
out to the broader community. Yeah, it's
just something because I think that
could take a while and um one of the my
takeaways from the um the fair or the
the culture best was that the youth
really have a great handle on what that
mean is and I'm not quite sure if our um
>> older you know adult population do. So
just
>> I mean I don't know if that belongs to
the RFP but just something to think
about with the community.
Yeah, I think we've been really focused
on getting to this RFP. We haven't
really turned our attention to the
engagement plan. Um, but that's
something that we know we'd like to
bring back.
>> One of the questions that I had was the
second bullet, which is um the one to
two meetings with community leadership.
Have we identified, I guess, our our our
leaders within the community that would
be invited into this process?
>> We haven't. We know it at minimum will
include city council. Um could you
nothing. Thank you. Um
[clears throat] but we haven't decided
how big to cast that net in part because
we need to
we need to make sure it is targeted
because there can be too big a groups
>> um to like you said to have productive
conversation. Um so at minimum council
um we know that there are organizations
that we also need to to bring into the
fold. Um
>> but that's probably an effect ultimately
how
>> phase one kind of is born out before we
move to phase two in that the feedback
from those individuals. I think it's
very important that we're very
thoughtful or council is very thoughtful
about um who these community leaders
are.
>> Okay.
Sorry, if I could add on to Leslie's
comment, um
I think the recruitment, the outreach
for these events is really undergoing
and we would want the voices who aren't
normally showing up in those rooms.
>> And so, yeah.
Anyone online have any questions about
the phase one deliverables?
>> Okay, awesome. Oh, yeah.
>> How much of the work that's done by the
board or other
related work that's done in the city
that could be leveraged for some of this
or it feels like some of this is
starting from scratch. Mhm.
>> Is there work that's already been done
by the board or um that could already be
used in in this process?
>> I'm not as certain about work that's
already been done by the board. I think
I might turn that back question back to
you all um once we kind of get there. Um
I think this is something that we've
been thinking about particularly that
recruitment and outreach question. I
know that's on our communications team
mind at all times and that's always the
ask right to make sure that folks who
haven't been at the table can be um so I
think it's there's I can't point to
anything definitively in terms of what
what we can build on yet but
Get back to my shared screen.
>> Would the council be observers or would
they be participants?
>> They would be decision makers
ultimately.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
Okay.
Um I guess decision makers, just to pick
up on Kelly's question. So,
it brings up a concern in my mind. Is
this a foregone conclusion in terms of
where they want this process to go if
they're and I understand that, you know,
they're quoteunquote writing the check.
So, therefore, but
um phase one seems like it should be an
open-ended process that's going in out
loud. participation,
um, hearing different voices, that level
of engagement that gets us to whatever
the natural end result's going to be.
>> And so if they're a decision maker, what
does that look like?
>> I think without getting into the weeds
of a hasn't been created, when I think
about public participation, I really do
think about the I don't know if you all
are familiar with the AP2 scale. Um and
it kind of walks through different kinds
of public engagement, different tools
you can use and what level of engagement
beyond your electeds can you really um
zero in on. So in something like uh like
for example like an open house um that's
a little bit of back and forth but
mainly like the the people who are
making the decision are just answering
questions. Um they're mainly trying to
inform everyone who attends. I think
we'd like to structure this to be a
little bit more intensive on the on the
community engagement side of it to
elevate the the p people who are in the
room beside the elected officials. And
that takes some like some deafness,
right? To be able to say, "Council, I
know that you're decision makers. I know
that this is like this is going to be a
city project. Um, but we invited these
people in to provide input. We can't
just disregard it. They have to be
involved. that thing. So,
>> there's there's ways that you can
definitely do that and structure it and
message it. So,
>> okay.
>> And I think that's what it drives the
the importance of the community leaders
that are being um reached out to. And I
think Kelly and um Briti both are really
kind of touching on that because that's
what my concern is is that
>> different voices are heard and that
their feedback is, you know, as as
wholesome as it's going to be, it's
going to kind of be utilized by
ultimately by our decision makers. It
sounds like a touch point for me is
going to be to come back to you all with
who should some of those community
leaders be uh and how to best invite
them in if they haven't participated in
something like this before.
>> I still have a question. as um council
members, they are the decision makers
and in a room of people who are going to
be giving community engagement.
If they're part of that discussion,
then it biases the room immediately
because the more distance you are from
uh usually talking to power, thank you,
the less likely you are to say things.
So it really I'm just going to say that
straight out. They should be listening.
That's it. They because they're going to
decide anyway.
>> So they get to listen. They get to ask
questions. They get to clarify
>> is the way I see it.
>> Yeah. I think we want
>> Yeah. I think we want to try and leave
space in the RFP to both hear from
community leadership beyond elected
officials, but also make sure that
council is bought in enough, right? and
that they have their own deliberation
time, whatever that looks like, whether
it's coming or not, right? Um to make
sure that they are bought into the final
product, right? Um to these to these
equity goals.
>> So, we need to we need to leave space in
the RFP for both of them. Does that make
sense?
>> Yes.
They they're asking us to do this. This
is the engagement process. we're we're
all going to work together on. So, it's
not about them buying in. It's about
them being in the process. And the
process is they're asking for advice.
>> Because if the process is they get to
tell people, that's not community
engagement. That's telling people.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. That's I'm like,
>> I used to work in community engagement.
That's why this is sensitive.
[clears throat]
>> Okay. I think within this process, the
space that we're really holding is for
the community leaders that are coming in
and having these conversations.
Um, I think that I mean they ultimately
have the opportunity council to make the
decisions. I agree 100% with Kelly that
their their role is important, but the
listening aspect and making space for
all of the community leaders to really
get that information to make sure that
this this process is really going to
work. It's not going to be replicating
what we may have already gotten, but
it's it's new. It's different. And it's
going to be hearing all of these these
people that have not been involved
before and perhaps some that have been,
but just in a different way. And I I
know I participated in a focus group a
couple of weeks ago and an executive of
my company was there and I am convinced
that she affected the ability of people
to talk honestly, openly and just I mean
without feeling like they had to tow
some type of line. So that kind of
popped in my head when Kelly made her
comment. And it's not to be negative or
think that there's not a support from
city council. Yes. But it's that their
very presence can in fact
>> um inform
how people communicate how willing
willing to be open that they are. So I
think it's a consideration.
Let's return to this when we get to the
question about deliverables. In part
because when staff have talked about
this, our concern and our focus was
ensuring that the the consultant, the
subject matter experts could really be
there to facilitate a discussion with
city council. That's where we felt like
we needed some of their like expertise
and ability to have a third party do
that. So, I want to make sure I want to
look at that list of deliverables and
say that if we're adding more to this
list, where can we take away to make
sure that we can have maybe a separate
like keep those two groups separate city
council and other community leaders.
Yeah. So just want before you move on by
I the two takeaways I'm hearing is one
there's a lot of energy and interest in
the equity board to definitely hear what
the to to provide feedback on the
community engagement plan that you all
come up with and I think the
conversation that we've all been having
is something that should be part of your
evaluation in terms of how the the
consultant would design
and uh their component of the
engagement. How do they talk about it
with uh understanding power dynamics,
who hasn't been in the room, all of
those things should should be things
that uh are recognized as part of the
the points, you know, process.
>> Okay.
I'm just taking some notes to add that.
I don't know that that is a different
deliverable. I think that's more like as
we explain
>> through the right consult.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. That makes a lot of sense. Okay.
Okay. Um then moving on to explaining
phase two.
So after we have these really like quite
broad community goals around equity.
These are not specific enough to
necessarily be you know targeted right
at you know the parks and wreck uh
classes or IPD stops or anything else.
These are these are pretty broad.
There'll probably be a few of them just
to encompass all the different kinds of
things that the city does. Um, but it'll
tell us where we're going. The next step
is to evaluate a couple of programs
against those goals. And that'll
probably mean creating a couple of
smaller sub goals that are more tailored
to those areas. Just to give you a sense
of where we're going. So, in order to
get there, we'd like the consultant to
create an equity program evaluation
tool. They can adapt one that's already
existing. um but but they have to create
one in some way. We'd like them them to
evaluate two community programs using
the tool, provide us with
recommendations on how to refine it. Um
and then recommendations on how to build
staff capacity to use the tool because
that's ultimately the goal is we don't
want to have to like contract with
someone every time we want to do one of
these evaluations. We want to be able to
to bring it in house, especially knowing
that we might not have budget to do to
do a ton with this in future years.
getting the most out of it while we can.
Um, and then we'd like to involve the
equity board to provide feedback on the
proposed tool. So, before it's even
used, but once it's drafted,
come to you all and say, "This is what
we're proposing. How do you think this
will work?" Um, we'd like you all to
recommend some programs for evaluation.
I think that some of this will come up
in phase one as well, but we'd like to
get your input on of all the city
programs, uh, what would you prioritize?
Um, and we'd like the consultant to
return to you or maybe staff return to
you um, with the results of the
evaluation so you all can see how it was
used, what next steps are, that kind of
a thing. [snorts] We'd like them to
provide a written report um, and we'd
like them to present to city leadership,
and in this case we mean city council on
the report findings because this is when
we're narrowing in to city programs. um
and so that they can report to city
council and say this is what we came up
with and this is what we think the next
steps are for these programs but also
broadly for um for this work.
This is written as a phased RFP. So we
have the ability we'd like the ability
to revise the scope in phase two
depending on what phase one shows us
just because we think we maybe need a
little bit of that flexibility.
All right. So I will pause there and see
if there are any questions if I can
clarify anything about the phase 2
deliverables.
>> Okay. Okay.
I don't want to speak too much. Um just
a couple
I my question is what do you cons like
what fits as a priority?
Some of that will be based on available
data frankly. Um and then probably the
level of like touch points with the
community like thinking about the things
that came through the equity framework
process with you all. Some of those were
more internally focused. I think we
could evaluate those but I think this is
really about how our programs and
services reach the community. So it
should probably be a little bit more
outwardly focused than that.
>> Okay. Um
would it be things like maintenance
parks, infrastructure or um summer
programs? Like just all of those things
to kind of fit. So some maybe ongoing
operational work as well as more
distinct
>> Yeah. And I think we we wanted two
programs to be evaluated so we could
have some level of contrast there so we
weren't evaluating two very similar
things but we can make sure that this
tool works for kind of different yeah
>> programs. And then my other
I'm just wondering about Brandy. So when
I think about evaluation that's usually
after something's done right you see how
well it worked things like that. And so
I just I think that
we also need to be thinking like
perspectively like not only recapping
what it was but making sure that the
report out of it is really clear on what
needs to happen next to move us forward.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. just to me I know valuations from
a retrospective and so something that
feels a little bit more future looking
>> okay any other questions maybe folks
online or
in the room
Just a clarifying question what this
tool might look like.
>> I don't we don't know what this tool is
at the moment, but do we have a sense of
what that could look like? Are there
examples from other disciplines?
>> Uh there are examples from other cities.
So when I came to you all in September,
I provided a couple of examples. Two
from Minnesota, one from Oregon, and
then one from California, but I cannot
remember where. Um in California. and
they all look quite different in terms
of what they evaluate. Um, and I think
at that time we'd had this discussion
about what's the appropriate scope. Um,
and so we're we're really scoping it to
city programs and not wider like
community indicators, right? Um, so
there are tools out there that we might
be able to adapt. Um, it's just kind of
an opening question right now of what
will work well for a situ.
Okay, with that,
okay, so next step. So,
um,
we're here on the yellow dot, which is
you all reviewing
the RFP. Um, we'd like to, this might be
optimistic, we'd like to put it out in
November, uh, before the holidays, um,
to be open with our responses and like
to use December and January to select
consultants. Um, that leaves us with a
little bit of slack, but I think the the
ultimate goal is to really get a
consultant on board by the end of Q126.
Um, so I think that leaves a fair bit of
time for that. So
that's all of my presentation. Um let's
if it's okay with well maybe I can defer
to the chair and see what questions we'd
like to start with tonight. Um because
we have quite a few of them.
>> No, I think I think your questions as
prepared are are excellent
[clears throat] and a a good I guess
space for us to have some discussion on
some next steps.
>> Awesome. Okay. So then I' I'd ask all of
you what do you think of the proposed
community engagement considering both
budget and need? if not what is missing.
So what I have from our discussion
already is that we need to add a little
bit of that to the criteria to make sure
that the consultant is adept at working
with both elected leaders and community
leaders, but maybe folks who haven't
been brought in yet and can find and
recommend maybe ways to bring folks um
and who haven't been involved in the
past. Did I capture that? Okay.
>> Yeah. And I think their application
should be scored based on their
the level of expertise they show.
>> Oh yeah. Be added to the evaluation
criteria. Okay. Yeah.
>> What else on community engagement?
I think our discussions covered it in in
terms of where I think we want to focus
ultimately to make sure that we remove
as much uh influence or or bias that
could be exercised by our um decision
makers within uh the process because
that's going to affect ultimately what
we're going to get as part of phase one.
>> Okay.
Um, I wonder if the mode of engagement
should be not just maybe a meeting where
people have to show up and speak up
because maybe not everyone's comfortable
expressing their opinion in that format,
but maybe having a way to maybe send a
letter or write something
>> on on a on a website, something.
>> Yeah, that's definitely something we're
considering once we build like community
engagement plan is surveys. How can we
get it to people electronically, not
electronically? What are different
language needs? Like that'll be
something that we're we're talking about
for sure. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I think that was something we
talked about in our um our our chair
meeting which was u what are um new
communication methods that we can use to
increase you know just uh engagement
responsiveness. So, [clears throat]
>> all right. Question two is, are the
proposed touch points with the equity
board the right ones? Um, you'll recall
that most of the touch points are really
in phase two, although of course and
it's not in the RFP because that's not
quite the right place to put it, but we
bring that community engagement plan for
phase one to you all, but you all would
interact with the consultant really in
phase two.
Folks online, do you have any thoughts
on that one?
>> Okay, folks in the room,
>> sorry, maybe you already mentioned this,
but are we involved in choosing who this
consultant or company might be? Yeah,
we're gonna ask for one of one or two of
you to serve on the committee. Um, yeah.
So, you'll work with staff. Um,
yeah.
>> Oh, this is
>> Sorry. I know you're
like
it.
Sorry, I'm never sure how many to print
a big packet to [laughter]
to print
>> when the uh form is created for
evaluating consultants,
>> do we see it? Do we have feedback on it
or is that
>> independent?
>> I think
I think because it's going to follow the
criteria that's in the RFP, there
probably won't be a ton of room for
review, if that makes sense. So, if you
have any feedback on the criteria that
you'd like to give, it'd be good to give
it now.
And I can pull up that section if we
want just want to take a quick look at
it. Would that be helpful?
>> Yeah, that would be okay.
I have a question.
Since we have a the a small subcommittee
of the equity board working on updating
the equity framework, it appears to be a
bit of a interesting overlap between the
work that we're doing and what our to be
named at a later point consultant is
doing because they were using part of
our work product as far as the current
um equity framework that we're updating
now. So, and because my understanding is
that that group has set a March deadline
and the consultant might not be fully on
board till the end of Q1 that hopefully
these two things dovetail. Okay?
>> Or at least we can provide them with a
draft equity framework so they have a
sense of where the the kind of like the
pre pre-planning work that we're going
to staff to do before they do new
programs, before they site a project,
whatever it is. um that they can have a
sense of what that's actually going to
look like beyond like the question list
that we have right now.
>> Let me grab that criteria really quick.
Okay,
a good block of text. Okay, so criteria
one is responsiveness of the proposal um
and clearly understandable work to be
performed.
Um,
criteria two is demonstrating an
understanding of the budget.
Three is qualifications of the person
assigned to this project. Um, we're
looking for people who have worked or
firms who have worked with local
government clients who have equity
inclusion experience, experience working
with diverse groups, um, and public
engagement and facilitation expertise.
So this is where I think we'll add in
that other thing um that you had
mentioned.
Um
and then criteria four is product
management and ability to meet the
timeline.
So, so one one thing I'm noting in the
review criteria um
so
I mean I think I like the way the the
points are distributed
>> I think so some of the project
management like the words used you know
critical path diagram QAQC
>> oh yeah it is
>> they're very technical okay and um
>> it might
discourage
>> some very capable presence.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I would be mindful of that. And um I
think there's just
[clears throat] being hopeless that the
process has been creating more barriers
to like smaller consultants who um
>> have more experience working with the
very people we're trying to serve.
>> Yeah. I mean I think that's the priority
versus having so much experience with
local government and things like that.
like I would definitely rely on the
experience with the populations versus
their experience working with local
government for example. So just kind of
>> staying true to the intent of this
somehow.
>> Okay.
>> And then aligned with sustainable and
equitable purchasing guidelines. you
know, like part of me is like who who's
got the luxury to do that? I don't know.
We're going to privilege certainly
consultants and you know, organizations,
companies.
>> Yeah, that was ultimately we went back
and forth a lot on and we ended up
landing on a place where that's not part
of the formal evaluation criteria.
>> That's a like tiebreaker almost. Um,
>> like we we have these criteria or we
have these guidelines. it would be
really nice to use them for an equity
based RFP proposal. How can we do it in
a way that isn't too burns burdensome?
So, but I'll review it again to make
sure that it's clear how it'll be used.
>> So,
>> yeah. [snorts] Um,
is it considered the lynch pin of the
project that we get quality community
engagement
or is that one step along the road?
>> We we made a very conscious decision to
not spend $50,000 on community
engagement, which I think we all know we
very well could have. Yes.
>> Right. So, we need good quality
engagement, but we need to be able to
evaluate programs out of this RFP as
well. So, I mean, it's it's both and
it's it's not the end all be all. I
don't think I don't think we have the
luxury of making it that.
>> I don't think that's what I'm asking.
And what I'm asking is
I'm looking at the re review criteria.
>> 30 points goes to the responsiveness of
the proposal and clearly understanding
the work.
is the work understanding
public engagement in Isaka and putting
in a framework where we can
improve and and our whole system can
rise up. Is that what this what we're
trying to accomplish? And if it is, do
we need more weight on their experience
with community engagement?
>> If I'm understanding you right, so let
me know if I'm not. I think we're
actually because we are going to be
asking staff to really develop that
community engagement plan and likely do
a lot of it, right? Design the survey,
figure out how to send out mailers, who
to send those to, what groups to engage
with. I I think that the community
engagement portion of it is really
limited to those few places where we're
going to ask the consultant to have that
face-to-face interaction in meetings or
whatever kind of setting that that looks
like.
So it's community engagement in service
of creating the tool and the goals.
So
how does the community engagement fit
into what you just said?
>> I think I'm getting
I mean I what I'm hearing you're saying
is that the majority of the work is not
the consultant. The majority of the work
is staff. What I'm trying to rise up is
that
with community engagement,
we all hear it in different ways,
>> right? We all process it in different
ways. And then it can the more it gets
dissected by people who are not involved
in at that level, it can completely
change. So I'm trying to sort out what
level what import what the community
says has on a process that has that is
basing it appears to me is basing all
this work on and that maybe it needs to
be a little more focused on the not more
community engagement just more
rising up that the consultants
experience with community engagement is
important. You see what I'm saying?
I do
I think I think staff was rightfully
nervous that this is not a lot of budget
to do almost like even just community
engagement on something like this with.
>> So that's why like I don't think
ideally we would have had more had the
consultant weigh in more and use their
expertise more to craft a community
engagement plan. Right. with the help of
staff, with the help of the equity
board,
but I think we distributed it a little
bit differently to make sure that the
consultant could really weigh in on the
creation of the tool um and really lead
that process.
>> So, let me just I'm kind of a processor,
so let me think for a second. [laughter]
>> Um
>> I think we're in agreement on that.
>> I think we say it differently, so I
think we're in agreement on that. I am
literally talking about the criteria for
picking the consultants and I don't
think I'm being clear.
>> Okay.
>> So I am saying that it looks very small.
>> It is part of a 100 points. It's all
rolled into a big category called
responsiveness of the proposal and
clearly understanding the work. That's
where the consultant is correct
>> or am I confused? So it also like the
community engagement that we are going
to ask the consultants to do is also
rolled into the qualifications of
persons assigned to the project. Their
ability to facilitate to work with
diverse groups also appears there in
that point category which to be fair
does include a lot of other things but
is also one of the one of the two
highest scored point categories. Would
you like are you asking for it to maybe
be called out separately? I think I'm
asking yes that may be what I'm asking
for is
>> if we build it and we don't build it to
the people
>> what's the point
>> okay
>> so I want to make sure the engagement
part is worthy and centered in this
>> right
>> kind of the the garbage in garbage out
if we have poor community engagement
that we are setting city goals on.
>> Yeah.
>> Unless we have that critical represented
community engagement.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> I'll think about it a little bit more. I
don't know that it'll get called out as
its own criteria.
Um, I'm wondering if the way we think
about building the evaluation form and
like the questions we ask staff and EB
members to be looking out for
>> if that's where that's like best suited
to to make sure that we're reading the
proposals with an eye for
like quality and experience in community
engagement.
I think being more explicit in these
criteria like for the qualifications,
depth of experience in community looking
you know like
>> okay so that way people who are you know
whoever are reviewing the proposals are
clearly
looking at the application against the
qualifications of community engagement.
>> Okay.
>> And yeah
>> how they speak. the criteria a lot how
how skillfully they talk about community
engagement and it's like
it's kind of varied up there.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
Okay. So, I have it to to really call it
out more in both criteria one um and
criteria three to really make it more
explicit there. Okay.
>> Thanks for your patience as
>> and your and your patience.
[clears throat]
>> All right. Um
what's the timeline like this plan to be
created?
uh for what for the consultant to like
evaluate the goal. I think
>> we'll see how long community engagement
takes. We haven't even the community
engagement plan yet. Um but I I mean I
think we are looking to certainly get
through community engagement in 2026. Um
and we would like to at least probably
start phase 2 in 26 if we can as well.
It'll be really instructive how long
this like solic solicitation takes, I
think.
All right. Um, okay. So, I think we left
off on question three. Are the proposed
liver bills the right one? If not, what
is missing?
I think we touched on this a little bit
throughout our conversations as well.
Ask a quick clarification on Brian.
Do
>> is there a quick way to see where the
touch points are right now for the
board?
>> Yeah. So, where it's formalized in the
RFG, which is what a consultant is going
to be looking at. We're definitely going
to staff is going to come back to you
all with that community engagement plan
like we've talked about to review um the
consultants with one or two of you. Um
but we'd like the consultant to work
with you all. Um, we've identified two
meetings is what we've kind of set
aside, I think, with the equity board.
One to actually, I don't know why I'm
trying to say it, uh, from memory, it's
right here. So, we'd like you to provide
feedback on that draft tool before it
ever goes out and evaluates a program.
And at that same meeting, recommend
programs for evaluation. That'll
accompany staff recommendations as well.
Um, and then we'd like the consultant to
return to you all with the results of
the evaluation and of the tool. Um,
because it's not just like, hey, how are
our WCK programs doing? I think we'd
like them to return to you all with
here's where the tool worked well,
here's where it didn't, here's where
we'd recommend changing it, that kind of
a thing.
>> So, those are the two touch points that
we've outlined for the consultant to
have with you all.
>> Got it. Okay. So after those two
meetings with the board, there's an
opportunity to revise the tool and take
the feedback from us and and the work
that they've done.
>> Yeah.
>> That's our that's our hope is that we
can we can do that. It might be staff
that reworks the tool, right? Like it
might just be that they make the
recommendations for how to change it and
we we actually rework it. Um, we'll see.
But
how do you all feel about those touch
points?
>> I don't know why it's flickering.
Okay.
>> Yeah, it looks good.
>> Okay. Awesome. folks online, you're
you're still with us.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> I had a question real quick if it was
possible. Um I didn't have that project
proposal or I couldn't access it in my
emails. I wasn't sure if that or the
PowerPoint if it could be possible for
it to be sent out or shared just to kind
of review it because I'm myself
sometimes a slow processor. So I'm like
I know I can make sense of this. Um but
um might be helpful just to kind of like
review and then like kind of let it
percolate a little bit.
>> No problem. How about I'll send it out
again after the meeting along with the
PowerPoint which I know is not in your
packet. Um and maybe just give you all
like a week or a week and a half to get
any feedback to me. How does that sound?
>> Thank you so much.
>> Great.
>> Awesome.
>> Okay. It sounds like the touch points
with the board are okay. Um, and we're
on to the last question. Are there one
or two of you um who would like to
assist with evaluation and selection of
a consultant? That'll probably happen in
like December to January um of this year
of 25 and 26.
And that'll involve Okay, sorry. Let me
um so that'll involve reading all of the
proposals that come in um and then
scoring them against the criteria that
we talked about, discussing it with
everyone. um likely selecting one or two
if there are kind of two people that
stand out or two firms that stand out um
bringing them through maybe an interview
process. Um I think for something with
this much engagement we want to talk to
that to those people and see how how we
match and how they'll do um evaluate
those interviews and make a
recommendation. So that's what's
involved there. Um okay the preview is
interested. Okay.
Is anyone else interested in in
reviewing or sorry in assisting with
selection of the consultant?
>> I will if no one else wants to.
>> Okay. Okay.
Okay. So, I have Kelly and Preview down.
If you all take the next week and a half
and you read it and you're like, I'm
dying to be a part of this, then I'll
kind of triangulate with the people who
are involved
>> and I can I'll step away if somebody
else wants to.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I Okay, awesome.
Okay,
that is all I had for you all. Thank
you. Um I'll be revising this. Um the
version you all that I'll send out to
you all will be the same that's in your
packet. Um so I'll make some of the
changes that we made today. Um but it'll
just be a little bit of the version. Um
and then yeah, hopefully publication
soon and I'll be back in front of you
all. That's all I've got.
>> All right.
>> Excited you're doing it.
>> Yeah.
Thank [laughter] you.
>> All right.
>> Perfect. That was great discussion on
that item
for
>> Yeah. I just I thank you for letting me
sit in the meeting and see the process
of how
responsible members in the community
have resolved. I I don't sometimes I I
don't look at consultants.
I look at the peers in the community,
people that are out there as mentors or
as
um philanthropists that are funding
their own I guess campaign to make a
difference in their community. So when I
when I hear the term consultant,
I I kind of get PTSD
>> because
many many millions and millions of
dollars have gone to consulting with no
results and no resolve and then it gets
passed on to the next generation. And
the same thing at the same time
[clears throat] the consulting firms get
fat and the community gets too skinny.
So I'm I'm saying just as a as an
observer uh and I'm very critical. I'm
an artist. I dissect everything and how
things work. And what I've seen so far
is uh you guys are tighter than a tick
on a coonail's back. [laughter] Okay, I
put it bluntly. Now, this is awesome for
for me to experience this when I was
getting a little bit PTSD on saltine
firms and seeing what's going on in
North Bend and Snamami and Ball City and
and the outskirts and in Isakloth.
Um,
seeing people who genuinely care and are
real has been very helpful to me. So,
thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you.
Thank you.
>> Hey, it looks like our next agenda item
is an update on the equity framework. Um
uh I am in uh the the good company about
everyone in this room but um with the
subcommittee members for the updating of
the equity framework and that's myself
uh Caric Quan Chris that are uh working
on the updating of the framework. So I
just wanted to go over at a high level
um what we've done uh thus far. So um I
just introduced uh you all to who the
subcommittee members are. So, we've had
two meetings and um first meeting was on
October 6th. The second one was um
yesterday on the 21st. Um we have
regularly scheduled meetings every other
other Monday at 7:00 p.m. on um Google
Meet. And we've determined that the
points of contact in terms of reporting
out what we've done as a subcommittee um
would be myself and Caric. Um our
deadline to present the revised equity
framework to the full equity board for
your review and approval is in March of
2026.
Um so thus far we've reviewed and
discussed the previous equity board
feedback on the framework from September
uh 2025 as well as January 2025. Um the
subcommittee is currently gathering
information using a spreadsheet. Thank
you very much Chris for your amazing
work on that document. So, we're using a
spreadsheet to identify questions city
staff would consider as part of their
use of the equity framework. And we kind
of drill down into four areas, which is
types of inequity, um internal versus,
um external processes, um desired
incomes, and then outcomes, excuse me,
and then uh qualitative versus
quantitative. So our overall goal is um
with using this particular spreadsheet
is to develop these questions to
maximize the usability of the framework
by city staff. We had a lot of
conversation during our first meeting on
the 6th about making sure that um we're
not just feeding a document, but we're
creating a document that's going to have
a high level of usability and utility
for the city departments that really
want to interject equity in their
deliberations and their work, whatever
that might be.
So, um did anyone else have anything
that you'd like to add on the
subcommittee that I did not cover?
Um maybe maybe one thing to add is yeah
thank you.
>> Um I mean you already captured some of
this which is we're trying to respond to
some of the feedback around the
framework is a bunch of really great
questions but it's not easy to use by
various different departments. So I
think we've subsected two or three areas
that we wanted to focus on as well which
trying to see if I've got the notes here
but um
one is we're trying to do we don't know
yet if this might be the final outcome
but we might create a workflow that
helps guide people through the series of
questions so it doesn't turn out to be
another long list of questions that
everyone needs to go through. And then
um I think we're also if if time permits
and I think if we have enough momentum
we'll try to provide some guidelines
around data as well. So how to how to
gather data, how to use it, how to
distill it, what do you do if you don't
have any data, other ways to find
proxies, other clever techniques to use
otherwise etc.
>> So yeah,
>> absolutely.
>> Thank you.
>> I have to go. Um, I don't want to miss
this last.
>> No, don't do that.
>> But thank you for letting us in.
>> Thank you for joining us. Good night.
>> Is there a way I can get one get in
touch with you folks? How do I get in
touch and see if through follow through
with this?
>> Yeah, I can write down I don't have a
business card on me. Um, but I can write
down my contact info and I'll share some
information on how to stay
>> connected to the equity board.
Oh, yeah. Is that okay?
>> Um, I know you're interested in
transportation, too. So, it's going to
be some fun.
>> Thank you.
>> All right. Have a good night.
>> You too. Take care.
Does anyone have any questions in terms
of what we've done thus far on the uh
framework
that we can chat about or any insights
as to what um I shared as far as our
current work.
Okay.
Just a just a reminder that the
subcommittee will come back to every
meeting you all have just to make sure
that um they're touching base and you
all are praised of what they're doing
and so they can ask you questions about
what they should do next if they've got
any.
>> Just a clarifying question at some point
maybe maybe not in the next few weeks
but I say I guess we're only meeting
once a month. um either in November or
in December, would it make sense for the
subcommittee to kind of show some of the
preliminary work so we can kind of get
feedback with bit of show and tell?
>> I have to imagine this board would be
very interested in that.
[clears throat and laughter]
>> That's an excellent question. Would that
be something um that we could probably
do and maybe we should talk to the other
committee members to see if in uh
November if you think we'd be ready to
kind of do a prelim show of our work?
>> November is a little bit of a funky
meeting. It's a joint meeting with human
services. So you guys will probably meet
anyway on just ED items, but you might
have a little bit more time and space at
the December meeting. So,
>> I like that. Okay. December it is.
>> I think Dale,
>> that's what I was going to say.
December. December would be probably a
better fit.
>> Thank you.
>> Good deal. Thanks, Dale.
>> It looks like our next item, we're at
number seven. Um, other business
announcements. Jillian.
>> Yeah. So, this is what I covered in my
like staff report. Um, so these are the
two memos. Um, the first one is about
the transportation projects equity
criteria and selecting them. So, give
that a read through and happy to answer
any questions that you all have as you
read through it. Um, you can always
reach out. And then the second one is
the Isiqua climate action plan update
and equity board engagement. So, that'll
come back to you all in November. So,
you'll have an opportunity to really dig
in on that at that time. And that's all
I have for other business, but I think
maybe there was another item. Okay.
>> Yes. Um, actually, let me pull it up.
So, thank you, Kelly, for reminding um I
guess us to talk about this, but um I
think last week King County launched a
stop hate topline.
And um I think it's a particular not
only the topic but uh as one of our work
plan items maybe two or three years ago
we really wanted to uh create an
opportunity. We talked about it within
Isiqua. How do we lift up uh incidences
of hate that or bias that have been
showing up in our community and um
especially those things that fall short
of a kind. and it didn't feel
appropriate to like direct or ask you
know is police to like field all of
those calls and incidences and uh we
were looking at what other um resources
were available for this and at the time
there wasn't really anything that was
functioning very well and so there is
now a stop hate hotline that was
launched um and so I sent Jillian and
Dale the information so maybe rather
than me saying it out loud we could
probably to circulate it. Actually, I'll
say it out loud in case anyone wants to
review the notes, but the the phone
number is 833
stop
H as the letter H,
the number eight, and the number one,
which is so 8337867481.
It's a toll-free hotline, non-emergency.
And uh I talked to the the the office
that is running this hotline. And what I
learned was that it's anonymous. And so
they're not going to ask for names of
people. Uh they they would want the
details. They'll they'll capture some
details about what the incident is. And
they are very interested in getting some
geographical information. So, an
intersection, an address, a zip code,
whatever, you know, whoever's calling is
comfortable to provide
um because they want to see where
patterns are emerging, which locations
across the county, and so they can start
understanding where these incidences
are. They don't have to be crime. It
could be someone, you know, yelling,
something hateful, slurs, you know,
things like that. and you just want a
place to announce it, you know, to to
notify someone because the the idea is
that these things may escalate and
become more. And I know in Isla there
has been some issues that have come up
and so it seems like um something that
we would want to circulate and so um
just wanting to make everyone aware.
Thanks, Kelly. Thank you. Okay.
>> Thank you.
Okay. Well, if there is no other
business in front of the equity board
this evening, I think we can call this
meeting, we can adjourn this meeting at
7:21 p.m.
Okay, one minute behind our agenda. Well
done.
>> Thank you. Thank you everyone on Zoom.
The great.