good evening ladies and gentlemen I'd
like to welcome you to the public
hearing for the proposed permit
amendments for khari
phases 2 & 3 we have a presentation that
will do a reasonable job of explaining
the project and what I'd like to do is
open up the meeting for some public
comment to hear what all you great
people that came out have and what your
thoughts are and then we'll have some
comments after that we'll close that
public part and then we'll have some
comments you don't expect there to be a
decision to make what we're doing is
really listening and then trying to pay
attention to what's going on we have a
few administrative things to do before
we get going with that we have some
minutes from some previous meetings and
so what I would like to ask is for a
motion that would prove all three of
those minutes unless somebody and if a
Commissioner has some comments or some
changes to identify that specific
meeting note and the changes you'd like
to make so you have a small question on
page 16 of the minutes on the table row
over 70 of 93 I think there is a
Commissioner identified there as ro EHL
should that be rotor roee ter yes okay
and same thing on page 17 the rower is
81 of 93 excellent Thank You mr. chair I
move we approved the minutes for July 19
July 26 in August 2nd 2017 great a
second great ND discussion further
comments all those in favor say aye I
posed excellent so let's go
okay
so good evening Development Commission
Keith Niven director of economic
development and development services for
the city so tonight get to get back into
what we do which is review permits we've
been talking architecture and urban
design for a while and as fun as that
was back to work so this one is it's a
little bit of an odd duck and I'm gonna
start by apologizing because the staff
report is really complicated and long
and part of the reason for that is what
we're doing is we're actually reviewing
an amendment to an existing approval
which is different than reviewing an
application basically where there's no
there's just city code to review it
against here we actually had to review
it against the decision that was made in
1999 and so that makes it a little bit
more complicated and as I originally
wrote the staff report I thought well
how are you guys gonna go back and look
at what was originally done and compare
it to what's being recommended now and
that seemed like a really complicated
process to go through and so what I did
is I took the original staff report and
I actually added commentary and text and
new conditions to it and hopefully that
that was somewhat understandable as you
guys went through your packet this
evening so what I'm going to do is is go
through a semi brief presentation but
then what I would like to do is go
through the proposed conditions so that
you can understand what was originally
conditioned as part of the original
approval where that condition lies today
and then what new conditions the
administration is recommending that we
add to this particular application seem
like at least for me that was a good
starting spot to go through that'll be a
little bit arduous but I'll try and get
through it fairly quickly and then
whether or not the applicant wants to
you know provide some sort of commentary
or additional information that might be
a good opportunity for
that and we can open up for public
comment and then commission can ask
questions if that's the way you would
like to proceed okay so project location
SoCal khari is located basically on both
sides of sunrise place southwest and
that's in kind of the south eastern
portion of the city it's shown generally
by this bubble diagram looking at the
project it's really so phase 2 and phase
3 are actually split by sunrise place
phase 2 and I'm kind of directionally
challenged I think is on the north side
and then set the north side that's the
east side so the East let's go at East
so phase 2 is on the east side and phase
3 is on the west side phase 2 will be
adjacent to phase 1 which you can see in
this photo which is already constructed
phase 3 on the other side of the street
is currently undeveloped land and that
is undeveloped so what's being proposed
right now is 72 townhouses on common
parcels so they will be condominiums but
they will be in more of a townhouse
format than in a stacked flat format
Kelkar e phase 1 you can see in the
photograph it is more of a stacked flat
project than a townhouse project so just
kind of getting you kind of thinking
about this in terms of different types
of housing units and what was originally
approved versus what's proposed right
now as as you can see from the slide
phase 2 and phase 3 originally included
approval for 126 condominiums what's
being proposed today is 72 townhouse
condominiums the reason why we're here
so this is technically an administrative
decision this is if you look at the city
code and you look at
what's considered a minor amendment to a
master site plan and an administrative
site development permit you would
basically see that it is a level two
review level to review is not a
Development Commission review so you
could say okay why are we even here we
are here because the administration
believed that this application was so
complicated because it's not just
dealing with the old approval site
development permit approval but it's
also dealing with a binding site plan
amendment and a master site plan
amendment and we had some concerns from
the adjacent community and I'm glad that
they are here this evening that caused
the administration to say you know what
rather than us just review this
application and make a decision let's go
ahead and bring this to the Development
Commission and allow for some additional
public comment and that way the process
can be a more transparent and hopefully
have a better outcome than if the
administration just made this decision
as a normal faith level to decision so
that's why we're here the administration
kicked this up to you guys and so you
guys are the decision-makers tonight
okay and if there's questions feel free
to stop me I'm good with that all right
so at this point I'm gonna think the
Commission can ask questions at this
point the public sorry the public will
have an opportunity as soon as I get
through this I promise I won't take too
long
no worries so the original condition
here is the black text and then the red
text is my ad
okay so conditions 1 2 & 3 really relate
to impact fees what the impact fees were
at the time what has been paid and what
is still owed I am NOT gonna read
through those hopefully you guys
understand the impact fee formula for
the city and like I said if you have
questions let me know
condition number four related to street
improvements okay for a I'm gonna go
ahead and read through these sunset play
Southwest shall be improved to meet
current Street cross sections or the
equivalent and shall
have 32 feet of paving and sidewalk on
one side okay so we're gonna stop here
because in some places I'm gonna admit
on a hundred page staff report I gave
you there's some technical inaccuracies
here we are number one
sunrise place Southwest is currently 28
feet and part of this application was a
request to leave it at 28 feet not widen
it to 30 to 28 feet is basically to 10
foot travel lanes and a parallel parking
that's 8 feet wide so that meets city
standard and right now our position is
that that's wide enough to widen that
Street by another 4 feet would actually
lead to an increase in speeds on that
road because a wider road will lead to
people driving faster because they will
feel like they have the ability to do
that so I so our position is to leave it
at 28 and that's why I'm for a write
down defying it's complete for B widen
and reach channel the intersection of
Newports way and Wildwood Boulevard
Boulevard Southwest the design
tentatively includes separate left and
right turn lanes from Wildwood Boulevard
Southwest on to Newport Way and a single
lane from Newport way on to Wildwood
Boulevard Southwest a concommittant I
don't even know what that means
agreement is also required for full
signalization of the center section if
warranted by future traffic of which Cal
carry related traffic forms a
substantial part or accident conditions
and if such signalization will cause a
demonstratable improvement in traffic
flow yes all right
so for B so I checked with our
engineering department and they told me
that 4 B is complete so this condition
has been satisfied and there's no
additional requirement coming out of 4b
4c the right away across Cal khari shall
be 50 feet
and shall be improved with as mentioned
in for a 28 feet of paving and five foot
sidewalks on both sides of the roadway
and we're deeming that complete for D
the applicant shall sign a concomitant
agreement for the cost of applicants
fair share of a pedestrian crossing on
the Clark Street bridge as required
under the mitigation section of
foothills draft environmental impact
statement page 148 in a traffic study
this has been determined by the city to
be no longer applicable for e
construction of a school bus turn out if
required by the school district at the
intersection of Wildwood and sunrise
place right now that's not required for
F replaced the existing culvert at Cabin
Creek with a bottomless arch culvert
designed to the specifications of and
approved by the city's Public Works
Department that culvert has been
replaced for let's see we're on a this
is kind of a this is still part of four
so a this is kind of like easements and
encumbrances so a is an additional
easement area or dedication shall be
made to the city as may be required
during final design stage to ensure
adequate line-of-sight and that's a
that's for traffic is provided all
intersections and justifications of the
roadway system and that's that's that
that is required still so we're where
the access points are for phase two and
phase three out onto Sunrise there will
need to be adequate line of sites for
cars coming in and exiting at those
locations and if there is line-of-sight
encumbrances at those driveways or
street intersections those will need to
be recorded so see provide the city with
slope easements or construct retaining
walls in the right-of-way at the
direction of Public Works per public
works requirements for
public roadways and show these easements
on the final plat that has been done D
work with Metro to develop a
transportation management plan for that
development which incorporates the
following provide a free one month bus
pass to renters so this is this is this
is no longer necessary since these are
for sale units having a transportation
management plan for a subdivision
doesn't really make sense it's not what
we do the applicant shall maintain them
on five a minimum 50-foot buffer from
the ordinary high water mark of you skip
me just for D B as in Baker Baker I'm
sorry right away for the cul-de-sac Road
shall measure 37 feet in width these
right away shall shall come city streets
I'm gonna guess that's become city
streets and shall be improve with 24
feet of paving which accommodates
five-foot sidewalk on one side so the
current plan for both phase 2 and phase
3 don't include cul-de-sacs
they actually include a split tee and
turn around and we'll get to that when
we get to the site plan so this is no
longer applicable thank you and then
five is the applicant shall maintain a
50-foot buffer from the ordinary high
water mark of Cabin Creek you can see
Cabin Creek is actually located so if
that's east and west that would be north
north of phase one it's closest to phase
one which is right here phase two and
phase three are farther away from Cabin
Creek and so that 50-foot buffer is part
of the current proposal number six the
applicant shall maintain a minimum
buffer of ten feet from the top slash
toe of all steep slopes plus maintain a
minimum building setback of 15 feet from
the slope buffers native growth
protection easement signs which are for
the identification of protection of
steep sloped areas shall be placed at
steep sloped areas as required by the
public works department so
my clarification on this condition is
man-made steep slopes may be regraded
pursuant to the city code so some of the
slopes out on that property we're
actually they're not naturally occurring
they occurred due to previous grading
activities and for the city code they're
allowed to be regraded and buffers for
steep slopes including protection
easements and signage is governed also
by section 1810 one clarification on
this condition is that right now the
city code does allow for some minor
intrusions within buffers of steep
slopes and I don't believe that the
intent of of condition six was to not
allow for the city code to apply so so
even though this says the applicant
shall maintain a minimum buffer of ten
feet the expectation is is where the
city code allows for some intrusions or
within the 15 foot building setback area
that as long as they met the criteria
from city code that that would still
apply number seven
prior to issuance of building permit the
applicant shall establish a mechanism
acceptable to the city which notifies
future buyers of the apartment
condominium units or Lots that steep
slope buffers were reduced and that
development has occurred within 50 feet
of steep slope the applicant shall
execute an agreement that indemnifies
and holds the city harmless for
development within 50 feet of slope so
this is required we do this in other
places where development encroaches
within critical areas to identify two
property owners that hey you just
purchased land that either is on an
existing or a graded slope and therefore
it indemnifies the city from future
liability number eight a building permit
and Public Works construction permit
shall first be issued prior to
construction of the project that is also
required and then I did add unless
otherwise approved by the director so in
some cases
so this says building permit and
works and it is not always the practice
of the city to require both the building
permit and a site work permit at the
same time if you know and if an
applicant wants to grade and put in
utilities prior to having a building
permit those are things we do allow so
but I didn't want to give that out right
and that's why it says that the
discretion of the director number nine
prior to issuance of the building permit
for phase one the applicant shall make
connections between the service areas of
the Wildwood and Mount Hood water
reservoirs per the approval of Public
Works Department to provide adequate
fire flow the cost of the connection
shall be the responsibility of the
applicant phase two and phase three of
Kelkar we shall also not go forward
until the city can assure adequate fire
flow so that is complete those
connections have been made and there is
adequate fire flow in the area number
ten the applicant shall participate in
the cost of that proposed four eighty
zone water reservoir that is also
complete number eleven prior to issue
into the building permit Public Works
Department shall approve final design of
the stormwater system and that is
required number twelve the Public Works
Department shall have final approval of
textured concrete that's proposed to be
used across Southwest Sunrise place
linking the north and south sides of the
project my comment on that is no
textured concrete shall be placed across
Sunrise place and let us did unless it
is determined necessary by the city as a
visual cue for pedestrian crossings
other means such as pedestrian crossing
signage shall be explored the reason for
that is although textured concrete is is
nice to look at and planners love it and
I'm a planner so I can say that it's a
it's kind of a maintenance headache for
the city and so it is a tool in the
toolbox to help cue drivers that there's
pedestrians crossing but it's not the
only one and so what this condition is
saying is is that they should explore
other proposed methods to safely get
people across Sunrise place than texture
concrete number thirteen all compact and
accessible parking stalls shall be
appropriately labeled its required
number fourteen the applicant shall
inter discussion with his cost school
district concerning bus route access to
the site that's been done already number
fifteen all significant trees within the
vicinity of the site construction that
are proposed to be saved shall be
protected in accordance with section
eighteen twelve
one eighty D preservation of trees of
land-use code those measures may include
but not limited to fencing around the
trees that is required number sixteen
the area north of building three so
started sorry I made you a little map
here because I started doing buildings
going okay where are we really talking
about so the area north of building
three so you look at the areas that I
have like green blobs on this map that I
gave you here those are the areas where
this condition is asking for additional
vegetation so that is still required and
would be done with the landscape permit
for this project seventeen all
landscaping shall be irrigated is
required by chapter eighteen twelve one
sixty D of the imc that's required
eighteen any changes or substitutions to
the landscaping shall be approved first
by the development services department
these days we don't have a Planning
Department before being implemented
that's required number nineteen a cash
deposit of fifty percent of the value of
the landscape material shall be posted
with the city prior to receipt of a
temporary final certificate of occupancy
as required by eighteen twelve Oh 50 a
that's actually not a correct citation
the citation should be eighteen twelve
one sixty a two and the way that that
code section reads is it says cash
deposit or other surety typically we get
construction and maintenance bonds and
not actual cash the city otherwise would
get robbed a lot probably so we have
other guarantees typically than cash
could use cash but most developers don't
like to post that much cash number 20 a
monitoring and maintenance plan for both
Cabin Creek stream restoration and the
wetland enhancement shall be provided
it's complete number 21
a sign permit shall be required to be
issued by the city prior to the
installation of the monument signs the
proposed monument signs shall also have
a minimum 2 foot setback from the
property line safe sight distance must
be met so there is a calque re monument
sign out there now part of this proposal
is to move it so that would all these
provisions in 21 would be required to
move for the move all that that not sure
that made sense but anyway so 22 parking
for 32 bicycles shall be required based
on chapter 1809 Oh 30 I or one let's go
with one of the land use code bicycle
parking racks shall be placed on both
North and South parcels of the project
site the location and design of the bike
rack shall be provided with building
permits bike rack shall be included in
phase 2 and phase 3 is part of the
common area improvements these racks
need not accommodate 32 bicycles but
sufficient quantity 7 per face shall be
provided for guests at the convenience
of residents this requirement will be
reviewed with the building permit number
23 and and part of that is and I'm
looking at a furrowed brow from
commissioner morgan part of that is as
actually not that we think bicycles are
not important it's the fact that as this
project has moved from more like a
stacked flat condominium project to a
townhouse project with garages there's
actually bicycle parking in each garage
so so you have even though what this is
basically looks like on the surfaces
that we're saying less bicycle parking
is fine it's actually we're saying that
there needs to be bicycle parking in the
common areas both in phases 2 and phase
3 but all of the garages and each unit
will have its own individual
Raj will have the opportunity for
bicycle parking in the garage so so we
believe that there's actually an
equivalent or more bicycle parking
spaces being provided with this proposal
23 details of lighting fixtures and
standards shall be provided with the
building permit 24 all common use
facilities such as recreational
facilities garbage and recycling
collection areas mailbox location for
yeas management office shall be
accessible as required by WAC 11 of
three one eight one
in addition advance warning demarcation
is required at curb handicapped ramps
really at this point you know the
clubhouse was built with phase one and
because this is turning into more of a
townhouse project really all we're
talking about this point is accessible
routes and so the ramp locations is
still applicable 25 the following
conditions shall be implemented as
required by the police department
building security requests commercial
quality looking mechanisms and deadbolt
locks and peep holes on exterior
personal doors considerations should be
given to security of exterior windows
and sliding glass doors to prevent
offers entry Lighting's should be
provided for personnel entrance and
exits you know clearly this condition
was written for a different housing type
than what's being proposed and so my
response back was not applicable for the
townhouse project the building and units
should contain a highly visible and
lighted address identifier for nighttime
identification for emergency responders
six-inch minimum so so the address piece
is still important and these will likely
have individual building addresses in
addition to potentially like a four-plex
may have a particular building number
that will be all decided later with
building permit an agreement and posting
of parking areas for unauthorized
vehicle impounds again so there's
individual parking spaces for each unit
and then
there's a number of guest parking spaces
you know they will post those guest
parking but having an agreement for
towing you know will ultimately be a
decision for the homeowners association
on whether they feel like they need to
go to that extreme or not the city's not
going to enforce whether they're towing
or not from the guest parking spaces
it's not gonna happen so 26 the
following conditions shall be
implemented as required by the C's by
the East Side Fire and Rescue at this
point the buildings shall be fully
sprinklered my comment is if required by
code so that's based on a certain square
footage per building and whether or not
they trigger that is all governed by the
building code portable fire
extinguishers will be required again if
required by code yes
stores fittings will be required on fire
hydrants and before any combustible
materials are placed on the site yes
that's still true fire lanes are to be
painted red with white letters stating
fire lane no parking that's still
required and approved monitoring fire
alarm system shall be installed again
that's not applicable for townhouse
project Knox box shall be required the
location is to be determined by the fire
department again I don't believe that to
be required so here are the new
conditions based on the proposed
submittal number one is increase the
modulation in the building fronts from 2
to 3 feet that's actually in the city
code i am c o7 440 d to be B is
buildings will be a minimum of 5 feet
from sunrise place that's to meet the
setback requirements numbers see the
relocated 10 feet I'm sorry what did I
say sorry I was here till 3 a.m.
yesterday so a little bit punchy so
sorry see the relocated project sign is
not approved as part of this permit but
requires a separate sign permit I
mentioned that earlier D is continue the
sidewalk along the west side of phase 3
to connect to sunrise place
the additional impacts to critical areas
may be mitigated through the planting of
additional vegetation so let me take a
moment and just point I apologize I'd
like to have actually two screens but I
don't have two screens so I'm going to
use my handy dandy
little map here to show you so as you
look at the sidewalk along the we
established that was East that east-west
sorry the west end of Phase three it
stops right here you know the reason why
they did not kind of curve it up to
sunrise place is because this is the
buffer for Cabin Creek but I think we
can work with the applicant and a
mitigation plan to actually get the
sidewalk to go all the way to sunrise
frankly we have too many sidewalks in
our community that just end and getting
them all the way to a place where they
can then connect to another sidewalk
seem like an important place for us to
go I am now on E
thank you so in lieu of street trees on
the private roads serving phases two and
three an equivalent number of trees
shall be planted on the property this
calculation shall be provided with the
submitted landscape plan okay back to my
drawing so if you look if when you get a
plan oh by the way my apologies for how
the packet got photocopied that's not
the way mine looked if you guys would
like 11 by 17 plan set I can get them in
the mail to you this week so you'll have
them before the next meeting so if you
would hence so I can make copy available
all right
let's let's talk lemme give me your
contact information so everybody
everybody all right so I will get you
guys 11 by 17 plans probably by tomorrow
in the mail okay so that way we'll have
them plenty of time before the next
meeting so if you if you look at the
plans on the street that serve these
your typical Street section is
curb gutter planter strip sidewalk a
curb gutter planter strips sidewalk
planter strip has street trees in the
proposal that we have in front of us
they've requested to kind of scrunch
down the street section to remove the
planter strip there's still sidewalks
which we find important but what you get
then is you get the loss of the street
trees and what this condition is saying
is if we had provided the normal Street
section we would have had X number of
street trees those trees need to be need
to find their way into this project
somehow somewhere so that's excuse me so
that's something that this condition is
saying that they have to do with their
landscape plan F each garage will be
large enough to accommodate two standard
parking stalls now I added this
dimension in here because they actually
asked for a minor reduction to eight and
a half by eighteen and the city's
standard is is nine by eighteen or
nineteen but we do allow
eight-and-a-half by eighteen as a
standard stall and so we're okay with
that slight reduction in with spaces and
have room for waste bins and any heating
or other mechanical devices so part of
part of this condition is to make sure
that the garages can actually fit cars
because what we find with some builders
is they make the garage exactly the
dimension of a parking space and then
where's where people going to put their
their trash containers or the water
heater go and once you put all that
stuff in the garage it actually doesn't
have too real parking spaces and so what
this is trying to say is you need to
have two real parking spaces and enough
room for the other stuff and so that'll
be reviewed with the building permit
number G tree replacement calculations
to meet the tree retention requirements
shall be provided with landscape permit
calculations will be included in the
landscape plan H site work permit shall
comply with current stormwater
requirements and then I
alternate roadways will be private city
doesn't see any public benefit to
maintaining these streets because they
don't connect other neighborhoods and so
therefore they will be private and that
that's that's it's kind of my thing so
if you guys want to ask me any questions
before I sit down I'm happy to answer
them otherwise I can let the applicant
maybe add a short presentation at this
point or you can do public you have many
choices in front of you
there are j3m thank you
did I mention City Council went till 3
a.m. last night there we go look at that
whoo all right Jay
continue phase 2 sidewalk at the
southern end of the southern property
line and provided pedestrian connection
to the existing trail if you look at the
site plan right here this is a sidewalk
that comes down this row of homes and
just ends right here and so what this
condition says is this should continue
all the way to the south end of the
property and there's actually a trail
that goes through this open space in
between Kelkar E and this neighborhood
that's adjacent to it so again
no no dead-end sidewalks they should all
connect to something k city wet utility
easements located locations will be
reviewed and approved as part of the
final binding site plan so that
identifies water sewer storm water
building colors will match those of
Kelkar e1 colors will be earth tone no
brighter colors shall be allowed and M
as part of the site work permit the
applicant will need to demonstrate how
construction of the proposed walls and
primarily what we're talking about is
the walls along this edge
you know this is there's some fairly
there's some fairly steep slopes between
kind of where these buildings are and
this green space and concerns raised by
my engineer are how do you build those
without completely destroying the open
space and so there needs to be some
conversations about the actual
construction techniques and how that
will occur and that I think is all of my
comments or conditions at this point all
right
so mr. chair what would you like to do
next provide some time for the applicant
okay make any presentation then
good evening commission members my name
is Dave Macduff I'm with inter-corporate
we're the applicant I'm just trying to
make sure we understand process here I
think our understanding is we'll be
actually making a formal presentation at
the 20th yes this is just not going to
provide a little background yes first
one do you appreciate that this is not a
formal presentation but a little bit of
background in light of what Keith
presented so with that I'd like to
introduce rich banker from Bayliss he's
been our principal architect on this for
two-and-a-half years and was also the
architect on Kelkar e1 so excuse me
thank you thank you Dave that's what I
was gonna say my name is rich white Jim
with bayless architects 100 801 Main
Street
Bellevue 9800 4 thank you actually I've
been on this projects in 1997 and I
recognized one face up there and but we
really appreciate the diligence that
staff has has worked with us so much
over these last a couple years I guess
it's been tonight I want you to know
that we are ready to answer questions if
you have any we've got our civil soils
critical areas legal and landscape
architect's here if you have anything
like that and and we will also be
returning on the 20th if you have any
additional questions like
go through their company names what that
would sound like we're advertising and
it doesn't seem quite right tonight but
they're all highly qualified massive
experience in this community in each one
of these disciplines I want to really
thank staff for their efforts in working
with us a lot of the ideas that have
emerged that you've have come forward
today actually started with our
discussions with staff about how can we
move forward with this minor amendment
and I think they've been incredibly
diligent and very helpful the only thing
I really wanted to make sure it was
understood was how much less this
project is the currently approved
project which is for six more stack flat
condominiums is much greater buildings
much more density much greater parking
even the disturbance area that we're now
working with is well within the bounds
of the originally approved and still
valid disturbance area some of the areas
we've pulled back on for this map here
some walls see thinking fair amounts
here yeah it's down on the both days
this area right along here in the
original you'll notice when you get your
packet there was doing there was a whole
lot of landscaping going on and
regrading in this area here we're not
doing that anymore the other thing there
was it was an immense amount of rework
of this Weiland we're now able to stay
out of that in total so we're not
impacting that yes enhancements the
walls that have gotten some attention
there's one here and there's one back
here now whereas before when you get
your packet you'll see that there were
20-foot walls in many many places 20
foot high walls we only have two places
now for which the geotech has worked
incredibly many many exercises in
working through those questions and also
their work was done it had a peer review
through the city twice so I think we've
really tried to be diligent and make
sure we did our homework less units less
traffic less disturbance area we look
forward to your discussion thank you
thank you
okay at this time I would like to open
the floor for the public to provide some
questions or input if you do choose to
make comment we'd appreciate if you'd
sign in and and when you get up to the
microphone some of us are getting a
little older and would like you to speak
into the microphone and and state your
name and your address and then make your
comments so whoever would like to go
first go first thank you good evening my
name is linda spring Minh and I'm a
resident of a property right by the
current Kelkar e building i Linda Spring
Minh and my husband and I own a house
that we bought when the foothills
development was just built we were the
first people that moved into our
cul-de-sac there's two coldest accent
and the street connecting the two cul de
sacs on Sunrise place so we were the
first ones to move into our neighborhood
and when we bought the house we knew
that the Kelkar development was
happening we actually went to the
developers location looked at the plans
with our realtor so we knew what we were
buying and we understood the development
entirely including all the three phases
and so I first of all thank you all of
you for serving on this panel I read the
hundred fifty page packet today and
couldn't believe that you all do this
every one of your meetings so thank you
for what you do I apologize if I ramble
a bit and also if I read my notes I
don't want to miss anything here so the
first thing I wanted to say is about I
want to start with a positive and that
is that I think the developers and I
agree on one thing that this process
takes way too long as I was looking back
at all of my correspondence and
communication on this project I realized
it went back for three years I know
they've been doing this since the 90s to
when the development were first started
but in just this
restart of the project I was amazed to
see that three years has passed and how
slow the process is gone I want to talk
about the process for just a minute I
think that there's a timeline referenced
a couple times in the packet and I think
it's missing a critical element the the
MSP extension application was actually
asked for in March of 14 and I don't
think that's referenced in here I think
the timeline goes back to the 90s and
then starts at 2016 but that extension
application and forgive me if I don't
really know technically what all of
these are but what I understood is that
the the master site plan extension
application that was done in March of 14
was to give a three year extension to
the project to allow the project to
restart just as a I would like it on the
timeline and to note that that extension
the three-year extension was done
comment was asked for I submit a comment
on it and the three years passed or
ended at the end of August so I assume
there's some wording about it vesting so
maybe because this process is ongoing
that's still alive but the three-year
extension of the master site plan the
way I read it has expired
correct me if I'm wrong I apologize the
other part of the the process I wanted
to talk about is the CEPA determination
of non significance and I appreciate you
allowing comment I know your goal is to
have everybody involved in the process
and do the right thing for the community
and I think to that end you've created
some processes that are to encourage
input but to put some parameters around
it when the determination of non
significance was issued it was in
December of 2016 and I got to go to my
notes to make sure I get this timing
right but just so you know I think you
are in the spirit of what you're trying
to do but I think we need to need to use
some common sense to make sure that
we're thinking about the time of year so
when that happened let's see the I
received the letter in the mail I'm one
of those within 300 feet of the
development so I do get a letter you
my neighbor's about three doors down
don't I received a letter in the mail on
December 21st of 2016 announcing the DNS
decision and indicating a 14 day comment
period from December 14th one week prior
to December 28th of 2016 was open the RO
letter was received a week after the
two-week comment period started and
during Christmas week I sent emails I'm
sorry I just want to get my sequencing
right on this so I was living for a
holiday family vacation the next morning
so I hand wrote a note I dropped it in
the mail because I couldn't find email
addresses of who to send it to I then
found email addresses that next day I
sent it to two staff members and got
bounce backs from both of their emails
saying the offices were closed for the
holiday surprise and that they'd be back
on January 3rd a January 9th
respectively so I know nothing is
happening at that time then the email I
sent and the letter I quickly wrote was
you've given us time over the holidays I
found out a week after a week into the
process and it's the holiday season
please give us a three week extension so
that we can look at this and respond and
I was denied so I think you need to
think about that 14 days is great if
you're not smack in the middle of the
holiday season so please rethink that
the next thing I wanted to talk about is
throughout throughout the hundred fifty
pages there's reference to the current
plan and how it relates to the original
plan and I find I find the references to
that are very valid because indeed it's
changed but I think it's irrelevant
because who in here wouldn't revisit
some decisions we made 20 years ago if
you had it to do all over again
so just referencing the permit that was
issued 19 years ago I don't think is a
valid way for this process to happen
we've things have changed immensely
since then and I
the process should reflect that having
said that this is beautiful I think this
is a beautiful development as it's been
presented today I have no idea about
environmental or other issues and the
way things have changed since 1999 when
the first development was done the two
things I really wanted to tackle here
are one the environmental stability
issues
I read the CEPA report I don't
understand half of what's in it but I
know that since this development was
approved there have been some
significant issues that we've run into
in our community and in Washington State
we had the Oso landslide
we had the talus landslide and even
before that and it's mentioned in here
part of the foothills development was
stopped was cancelled because of a
landslide 500 feet from where this is
happening so well I read and understood
the CEPA report I just frankly don't
believe it I think it needs more look so
that's my opinion on the environmental I
think it I think we need a deeper view
of that the latter the fifth thing is
traffic
I don't think 20 years ago we planned
for traffic to be in this situation it
is I understand that there's traffic
references in here but we have a
significant problem at the intersection
of Newport Way in Wildwood wild was the
street that brings you up to sunrise
where this development is I have a
correspondence I sound like I write to
you guys a lot and I honestly don't in
the 17 years I've lived here this I've
written like four letters and I've only
been to one other city council meeting
so I I'm just amazed that all of these
things are interrelated that I've been
communicating to the city about the
traffic it's so bad
coming up Newport way to go I don't know
the name of the road up Front Street
that the traffic is back all the way up
to the elementary school most evenings
I've taken pictures of it I sent it into
the city engineering department I think
it is they very politely sent me a
letter and said I was wrong when I
recommended that maybe they have the
right term be
right turn only Lane so yes thank you
Newport way that backs all the way up to
target most nights a week I think you
guys are probably all gotten stuck in
that traffic too and my my approach was
I recognize this is a problem I want to
suggest a solution and maybe we can find
an answer the letter I got back told me
that my solution would not work and it
would make it worse but didn't offer
another suggestion so I feel like when
I'm providing comments we're not getting
a option back we're not having a
conversation about what else could we do
about things so anyhow the the last
thing I just wanted to ask and I don't
know if it's in this paperwork anywhere
but I can probably talk to the
developers about it is that I would love
to see a project timeline what the build
plan is is there a Gantt chart of
start-finish dig dirt start you know
poundings
foundations in so that we can understand
if it's going to impact summers and kids
out of school and that kind of thing and
then the last thing is the there's a
reference to the the sunrise place and
that it's going to have parking on one
side and it's I think it says in the
plan that it's a fire zone on the other
side but in fact there's nothing posted
there's no red markers and during the
summer and weekends there's cars parked
on both sides of the roads just a little
bit further down by the entrance to the
trail and only one car can get through
when there's cars parked on both side so
we need to address that it's parking on
one side of the street or not or widen
the road thanks for your time I really
appreciate it thank you
- the mouse the mouse points oh good
evening
I guess left us crouched down because
things not know height I'm Tom McDonald
I live at 1:00 2:00 to 7:00 and sunrise
space southeast I'm also the president
of the foothills Association but so I
have a couple items bringing up I'll
start with the traffic part traffic is
you know the last thing that I looked at
was I here somewhere no anyway is really
at Wildwood and Newport and what or
Wildwood and sunrise but what happens is
when you take a while to it back down
Newport they will back up to the target
parking lot area and part of that is
just what's happened over the last
couple of years I think when they shut
down may Valley Road for a short time
for some of the covert and the slide
prepare maybe Ollie Road the traffic
started coming through his quad now it
just continues to come to that but it's
horrific and so what happens is people
pull on the right-hand lane to go
through the intersection to go on to
Front Street south and so those to live
anywhere on Wildwood going up the hill
can't get into Wildwood and so people
including me will actually wait for the
cars have stopped going the other Lane
and cut in front of them to make over
left turn on a green light because no
one can move anyway so that needs to be
looked at how that hold intersections
can be worked also on the environmental
justice side I don't think any of the
neighborhood from the intersection of
the Wildwood and Newport have been
notified about all the traffic that's
going to now be at that intersection
they'll be produced by this developer
are there developments up the hillside
for the record also just want to note
that Matt Feldman had written several
correspondence letters don't want to
make sure that those are noted that
those have been turned into the city as
well see one comment the signboard that
was up there they finally had a date on
it and then there was a time and the
time was taken off so it just didn't
seem like it was accurately publicized
that there was a commission meeting
tonight until we're kind of got around
and in the foothills development I have
actually asked that I be put on
notification so I can get some note
because no one really knew about except
the three houses that were then the 300
development a 300 proximity area I want
to talk about the slides for just a
minute so Tom you need to be at the mic
because we're actually on TV and okay on
TV there's there's a mouse a mouse a
mouse on the tray on the tray kind of
belt-high got got a little it'll be
little point for you okay so the
retaining ball actually starts about
right here
and that's when this area was going to
be developed the hole it slid across
road to clean it up and put the
retaining wall in so it is pretty close
proximity to the existing development
that's here so they do have monitoring
wells all up in that area so that would
be something that it's a big concern
that that would both hamper the
development here and as well as the
rotor axis so copy conditions okay the
the lane with 28 foot lane width versus
32 foot lane width it's kind of nice to
have less payment but the reality of it
is that maybe trying to skirt the the
actual requirement or need to have a 32
foot wide roadway what happens as you go
further down the road we all have fire
suppression systems in our house because
the fire department has an issue of not
being able to get down the road because
of lane width and with parking on one
side of the road so I'm not sure if
there is planning to have a fire
suppression system in these developments
efforts gonna be a 28 foot wide road
also you can't really turn around within
a 25 foot 28 foot road if there's cars
parked on one side so what I presume
would happen is that people would just
go down turn down first place turn
around and first place where there's a
widened area where all the kids are
playing and then come back up the road
so that's an additional concern as far
as the width of the road and some of the
issues that that will
that will create a signal at Newport you
know I'm sorry signal at Wildwood
and sunrise not die before I'd want a
signal there it's just like this not
another signal in town so I don't think
that the traffic would really warrant a
signal there but I'd like to see
something else other than a signal
especially when you look at the grades
coming down Wildwood at that one point
where it's you're approaching probably
probably 12 to 13 percent as they come
down the grade line of sight that is an
issue and a concern as far as being out
if you have cars parked or landscape
being able to pull out of these and
being able to see down the hill the part
particularly and circumstances we're
going to be looking to the left where
the road is curving to the left back
away retaining wall I think and I'm not
sure if I understood this correct that
the pertaining wall was gonna be on
public property versus the which makes a
city maintenance thing versus of a
retaining wall being on private property
which means it's the developers to
retain so as tax payer on what my taxes
going for paying for someone else's
retaining wall that was done on public
right away when has she been done on
private right away for the development
so I'm not sure if I understood it right
it has its own private area okay then
next up thank you for that clarification
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let's see bike racks I had a question
letting my shirt ye have bike racks it
would be tying their bike up to a bike
rack outside they live in there anyway
so I would can't agree that I don't know
why you need bike racks it just can be
vandalized on the bike racks if I'm not
sure if they were just for public
parking or not but fire suppression
system I talked about that and I hadn't
heard about the sidewalk buffer
oh so the sidewalk as you come out of
the as you noted before when you come on
the east side between the two where the
sidewalk comes up and then connects to
the trail well once it connects to the
trail that's actually a gravel trail and
there are several was probably 12 steps
ago from almost where that point where
that connection is we can see how thin
line
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there's a mouse located right here
there's a gravel trail and then there's
a series of eight wood and gravel steps
that come up this point here so this
really wouldn't be a DA accessible for
coming up and I don't know if we'd want
to have a private development connecting
to a public trail on the side like that
versus coming up and connecting to the
sidewalk the garage reduction I'm not
sure I understood why the garage
reduction of going from eight feet if
that reduces the actual width of the
house is that the purpose of the garage
reduction or is it take you more houses
in or is it just okay I think you get
that some connection and and then one
other comment was if all the federal ATA
requirements are are met with the
development in this and that's all I
have unless anybody else has any other
questions so thank you very much thank
you other commenters please sign in
sorry can I come back for one more
comment or am i looks like it
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the power grid I'm going to show how the
power is going to be brought up the
street but currently in and sunrise we
have lights dim when there's a heavy
power draw everything from air
conditioners turn on some of the unit's
lights will dim and the power for the
air conditioner for example the
next-door neighbor the power air
conditioning goes on the lights dim in
the house until the unit is back up so
I'm not sure if that's tied to the
remainder of the power grid that's along
the street here or not so that'd be
something I would question as well so
thank you
hi um yeah I want to thank everybody -
for the work that you do I have a
daughter who is a fully licensed
Landscape Architect and she just joined
the Planning Commission in the town
where she lives in a story Oregon so I'm
real excited for her oh I'm sorry my
name is my name is Pat Duke
I've lived in Issaquah for 31 years I
live at 375 southeast crust on Lane in
Old Town and I have just some questions
and you know I'm really familiar with
Cal Kerry and where it is and all of
that where it where is this whole site
and the and the development and of phase
2 and phase 3 in relation to that little
trail that trailhead that's on Sunrise
place right down the street from Kelkar
E and then it reverses I guess it goes
up the hill which I've never done
and it traverses a hill over to Sycamore
where is this relative to that how close
so that that trail that goes up the hill
and then it goes over it is a it's right
next to it okay well I do have something
to say about that I mean I'm a native
plant Seward and I just I love the
outdoors and I hadn't been on that trail
until recently but it's it's amazing and
it's got creeks that apparently are
year-round I was there just days ago and
it's got two creeks on it that are
running right now so we have an
extraordinary drought and that means
we've got some you know creeks that I
don't know if they're considered salmon
barren creeks or or not because they
connect they run down into is quad Creek
and so I'd like to know I like to know
more about that it also has some
extraordinary timber on it and I and I
know what happens when there's
construction
I mean I remember what happened and tell
us when developers just cut down the
trees or builders who ever cut them down
it's like cut them down pay the fine you
know and I would hate to see that happen
there's some really extraordinary forest
in there some of the wildlife habitat
and and plants and everything that are
in there you just never never see them
in in that you know like huge banks of
maiden hair ferns that are just
absolutely gorgeous so one of the things
I wanted to do tonight is I'm retired
and and it's a short hike it's only it's
only a mile takes a little bit longer
you had to kind of wind down through
sycamore to get back but I would love to
take anyone on the Planning Commission
who would like to go on that little hike
it's very very pretty it's a wonderful
not with this error but it's a wonderful
place to be on a warm day
you know it's nice and cool and I just
like some of the people who are making
these decisions to see what that looks
like to make sure that if they're going
to do some development they don't
disturb that area I also just want to
make a comment in general about pervious
surfaces and that is we've all been
hearing again and again and again with
the flooding that was in Houston how one
of the really big factors in that and I
had coffee this morning with someone in
the reinsurance industry as a bunch of
actuaries working for them and things
like this are really important when
they're doing risk assessment and when
you take areas like that that basically
you can't flood them there so for us
said that have so much cushioning it's
like a huge sponge that it really does a
lot to mitigate flooding and I want to
make sure that we don't do something
really really foolish to damage
that kind of restorative area that we
have in our city also so my name is Pat
Duke I'm going to put my email address
and my phone number on this and and I
would just be delighted to take to take
any one you could do this on your lunch
if you're if you're in the area okay
thank you okay other comments well we
appreciate those comments we will close
the public hearing portion of this
meeting now and commissioners I'll open
it up for comments from you guys and
gals questions
well I'll go I'll jump in I guess a
quick question then Heath about the
potential expiration of the MSP
extension or so so what I'll do is I'll
give you the short answer and then as
usual we will provide a response memo to
all the questions and comments that came
up this evening
so the condition about extension of the
original approvals there was a
application made by the current
applicant that came in while the
application was still within that time
frame and you know right now miss
Brinkman was correct we are beyond that
so if ultimately these guys decide to
walk away from this project the original
kind of decisions have kind of run their
term so we are in this kind of moment
where you've got this proposal that's in
front of us and and whether or not they
are going to seek it all the way through
to permits and construction we don't
know the answer to that today obviously
it might depend on how this process goes
and what conditions come out of it
but if ultimately they did decide to
walk away from this and this permit was
deemed inactive and done it would put
that original SDP and master site plan
at an expiration point that would be my
non legal answer yeah hopefully it it's
semi dives with our city attorney but
that would be my take here can I ask
insulin please follow four related
questions so regarding vesting there
were several mentions in the staff
report about application of regulations
specifically around critical areas
quickly our buffer
etc is this application continue does it
continue to stay vested under the
regulations at the time of application
or are we applying different the current
regulations in some instances against
this particular proposal it's it's going
to be it's going to be some above so so
we tried to there were certain decisions
made back in 99 that if you were to
apply current regulations it would
basically maybe make any project in this
location really hard to do and so so we
had to use some judgment in terms of
which standards were vested and which
ones could be brought to current so for
example the tree retention was not
originally applied to this permit but
you know there's really no reason why
you know phase 2 has has already been
graded so it's not quite an issue for
phase 2 but phase 3 as you saw from the
photographs is currently forested and
you know I think there's no reason why
we shouldn't expect that phase 3 should
apply so the tree retention requirement
should apply to phase 3 so so I don't
want to say we we kind of hand-picked
some of those but we try to use some
discretion to say what makes sense what
can we actually put in terms of new
standards now some of its procedural so
for example right now the city has a
number of geotechnical engineers under
contract we use Golder and Shannon and
Wilson and AMEC and so when this
application came in which is different
than the processes and procedures we had
in place in 99 we had our geo tech
engineers review their geotechnical
plans because this is a piece of
property because of as was mentioned
earlier the proximity to the foothills
and we know that there was a slight
action there and a number
of the slopes that were created on Cal
khari were kind of spoils from previous
grading activities like I can't think
from the 60s I'm I don't know the
history of that exactly but it like it's
from a long time ago and so so from a
geologic perspective it's it's not one
of those sites that you say oh yeah that
looks fine
it actually looks different than fine so
so there was reason for us to provide an
extra level of care when it came to
looking at the geology of this thank you
question the the lane width discussion
let's see on page 63 of 150 that that's
where the deviation request occurs to
reduce to 10-foot lanes but was that
what you were referring to earlier Keith
gets it yes it was okay and also on page
34 there's a request to increase the
access way for phase 3 from 24 to 26
feet out of those two relate I don't
quite understand the relationships there
did you say 34 Richard right 34 of 150
the power go to there sorry
say that page number again now giving us
34 of 151 34 and I'm like there aren't
that many No
all right sorry did I mention I was here
till 3 o'clock all right
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down under background toward the bottom
so that's 34 of 94 yeah that we have
different documents yeah so use a
document in at 94 dead thank you
okay all right right that background
paragraph right there you guys see that
yeah yeah that style my pet project
includes my remember too much site plan
if I to decrease total my resident units
decrease building height your building
character minor changes to impervious
surface no changing attacks that's
increasing face we access place that can
do it right there I would say I don't
believe I don't believe that to be
accurate I believe that so if we're
talking about this roadway right here
and I think you know if you look at the
plans sections and I can go to the plan
sheets if we need to do that I'm gonna
tell you I think that's 20 feet clear
okay we have a we have the applicants
civil engineer looking at their plants
so hopefully I'll have an answer for you
in a second I think we're talking about
this yeah so so most of the interior
roadways are 20 feet which is what is
the minimum required for fire for
complete access so I'm not just I think
yeah please rich yeah I think that this
particular area is referencing what we
would often call a curb cut into Phase
three so it's off of sunset going into
Phase three and it's actually existing
Jim we're not changing that drive at all
where we you know that yeah and I
actually think that one is 26 but Jim
can confirm that as we proceed
that's exactly sunrise okay and that
allows herself around the curve and then
it drops to 20 feet okay thank you
sure do you mind if I jump in on that
since we're on that section and number
four allow increase in the impervious
from four four seven two four five five
and the CEPA says impervious is
unchanged at four four seven and I think
the amendment requirement is you can
have no increase in impervious was that
item number for incorrect or very with
so let me let me reconcile that piece
I'll look at the CEPA decision and if we
have a disconnect we'll provide a
clarification on that and do I
understand it correctly to then on the
amendment process one of the
requirements was you cannot have an
increase in impervious so any of the
changes that would be made
adding sidewalk along the west side to
get to sunrise all of that would in the
end we'd have to have no more than four
four seven of impervious so the
impervious would need to balance out
okay
thank you suture it's a question Kevin
you know I guess we talked about quite a
bit about the extreme extension and
stuff like that so I'm not going to
dwell on that but I think the traffic
issue that's everybody's concern about
that are we using 20 years traffic data
in this project are we doing an
amendment to that traffic because you
know we talk about every every project
this disease you always comes up traffic
yeah and school bus and fire lane yeah
and
and when you were doing your
presentation you talked about the fire
department approved it I'm not sure what
they approve of what they saw because
you mean the fire engine comes in and
it's it's a dead-end street there and
there's no way that they can turn around
I'm talking about the West Side
I think that's phase two yeah it's a
phase
so phase two is this one I know the
other one phase three yeah is that phase
three
yes phase three is on the side okay so
I'm not sure what they saw what they
approve but to me you know they were to
approve it I would like to think that
they probably wanted to think about how
they want to turn their engine around to
get back out right same thing with the
school bus but I think primarily it's
it's the traffic issue the whole city's
all everybody's old excited about
traffic adding more units and creating
more traffic and I can see the traffic
that the neighbors are bringing up and
how are we addressing to that sure so so
both those issues you will definitely
provide a more detailed response in our
response memo but what I would say is
and this gets back to miss spring moons
comment earlier about vesting as long as
this permit was retained as an active
permit it was vested to traffic for a
hundred and twenty six condominiums okay
so that was put in the city's traffic
model it was it's in there what's being
actually proposed today is 72 and not
126 so there's actually a reduction in
units which is actually a reduction in
actual trips even though those trips
aren't out on the network today so the
backups that we heard about on Newport
are real and these cars will add to that
but from a concurrency standpoint these
these 72 townhouses are already in the
city's model
because they're part of a permit that is
currently in existence and so so that's
the that's kind of the traffic and
currency piece from a fire department
and Fire Department turnaround
perspective these ends have to meet the
dimensional requirements to turn a
firetruck and so I assume that when the
fire marshal reviewed these plans the
those specs meet their requirements and
if they don't then they actually don't
go in far enough do you want to do this
you can do this so so it so they do
review these plans and so you know all I
can say is that met whatever their
standards are so they haven't seen these
new plans yet they have oh they have
yeah they review this plan they have
proven that they did okay I'm surprised
but the other thing too is that I
understand what you just said Kevin but
the reality of it is that the traffic is
there everyday and and we haven't you
know the actual thing is that we haven't
addressed the new condominium that's
going in there us we got more projects
in the pipeline the one across from
Issaquah elementary school that's
another big project that's going in so
that's going to add to the Newport way
corridor so you know we can talk about
the module that the engineering
department did and they looked into it
it's fine
but to explain to the neighbors and
people living that area you know it's
not fine there's traffic in there in rig
we got big projects coming up we got
another one in front of Valley
that's gonna add through traffic you
know how do we explain to them that it
is okay are we expanding the roadway are
we putting more traffic lights I know
we're putting a roundabout there
hopefully will help but I just it's hard
to explain or let the neighbors
understand that it's okay
the traffic will be solved I don't think
so I didn't say that and but but it's
hard because Hartford for everybody for
neighbors to do to think that it's okay
these are the module says it's okay so
the model says it meets the city's
concurrency requirements so the issue
that the city struggling with overall in
terms of traffic is regional traffic
cutting through the city so whether it's
Newport or SR 900 or 56th or East Lake
Sammamish or Front Street the issue is
regional traffic which is going from
somewhere else through Issaquah to
somewhere else the rights that this
property have to develop are based on
the city's concurrency model and it is
vested to a certain number of trips for
126 condominiums which it will not use
that many trips it doesn't change the
fact that newport has backups it doesn't
change the fact that Front Street has
backups and sunset as backups the city
is dealing with that issue and regional
traffic in a different way we just
created a transportation advisory board
and that has not it actually hasn't been
authorized by the City Council they
approved a new staff position to staff
that board and that board will be
created and commenced next year so it is
traffic is the number one issue for the
city to have conversations about and
look for solutions for I don't think
that you can fix traffic because the
more capacity you build in the roads it
will fill up and so so this is but this
is kind of the
the problem that we're dealing with so
from an overall regional traffic
perspective thank you and then there
will be just just to remind people there
will be a response memo made to the
comments that were made so that xx
you'll get a full is full of explanation
is possible on on what what is gonna
happen
how we see dealing with it and let me
just say one thing just in case we end
early not that I'm advocating for that
for all of you who are here tonight even
if you didn't speak please sign up I
will make sure that you guys get a copy
of the response memo so that you can
actually see how staff responded to the
questions in advance to the next meeting
on the 20th so at your at your
convenience public comment period so go
over thank you just can you email me so
mr. chair can I ask a question related
to roads again and there's some
modifications that were made in the
current proposal with respect to the
road profile I'm talking discussion
about removal of the median and street
trees that are included in the media and
etc and I don't know if this is a
question for you or if the Keith Court
this is a question for Richard Wagner
and is that is the road system within
the development these three phases of
the development is it going to be a
consistent kind of look and feel as at
the end of this or does this change
create a different experience and then
second part of the question if the
answer that first question is it's going
to be consistent and in the condition is
to replace the street trees are placed
the the street trees that would have
otherwise been required elsewhere in the
development what's the thinking about
how that happens in some sort of a
design solution that enhances the
project instead of just randomly plans
trees on the property let me see if
there's two two questions in there okay
the first one about the road profiles
and whether they're consistent the
access down Cabin Creek Lane here will
change in its appearance certainly right
now it's all graded out and grasped both
both sides for Phase two when this when
this gets built out what will be
different from what was originally
approved is that part of the question or
just okay originally approved you'll see
this in the packet there was parking and
access along the front here and then the
building set here and here now what
we're proposing and those were
three-story buildings over one level of
parking we're now proposing that the
drive down Cabin Creek Lane as well as
the drive on Sunrise these are what
we're calling our eight units and they
will all appear only two stories high
and they'll have front doors so this
project now will present itself to
sunrise and certainly present itself to
Cabin Creek once you get past these then
these access drives here the shared
drives come in here and they serve the
garages on this side tables also serve
the front doors these buildings here are
two stories visible these are because
the A's are two on the front with the
garage under there are three stories
back here so access comes in here and
this is a hammerhead turnaround for the
fire department over here same profile
and what we're looking for here excuse
me not quite the same
this has wherever there is a unit access
on the front of the building that has a
sidewalk a five foot sidewalk and a 6
inch curb that occurs over here as well
these buildings have both garages and
front doors on this side so there's a
five-foot sidewalk and a six inch curb
on this side again garages and front
doors sidewalks and curbs this also
the planning department had the idea of
maybe we put some type of address or
lighting bollard in front of each one of
these entries and we're proposing that
as well so the character through here
you know if you cut a section through
here and you'll see that in the app in
the packet this character on this road
and the character on this road will be
very very similar this roads a little
different it's a little higher than the
clubhouse here a little bit of a great
change and it's basically excuse me
serving these garages okay so I
appreciate that and the kind of move
toward more of a residential estrogen
scale very much along the road so as far
as the street trees are concerned and I
don't know how many trees were in the
original proposal or required but what's
the plan for I don't know if you've gone
that far down the landscaping design
path yet but what's the plan for dealing
with revegetation what's the owner the
applicant has authorized a tree survey
now and that's going to be implemented
we've got out here the other day and
stake the boundaries for the disturbance
area so we know right we're talking
about the idea here is any there will be
some trees removed in fact this will
probably be pretty cleared out and then
coming back in we're best to plant those
trees I agree with you you don't want to
just drop them in wherever the
landscaper drops them in our landscape
architect here is Weisman associates
Nick is here and he'll be here next week
as well over two weeks and they put a
lot of effort into making sure there's
spaces for these not only the trees in
the tree count but also how they're used
as an example this area right here and
this area over here those trees are
clustered around picnic tables and and
viewpoints looking out over the wetland
so they're there we're using the
landscaping to create outdoor spaces
can I ask him since we've got it rich at
the microphone just another question
there was a number there were a number
of comments related to trail and
sidewalk connectivity can you walk us
through maybe a little more detail how
this all fits together from a pedestrian
and trail user standpoint I would be
happy to do that in fact I would love to
start the walkthrough with MS Duke as we
take a tour the this starting with the
the urban setting these are all
sidewalks on Sunrise place on both sides
that are existing the sidewalks will
continue down through here right now
there's no sidewalk here and there's a
broken sidewalk here by my students
ain't broken it's unimproved because
this is part of phase 2 but these
sidewalks will come down both sides then
we talked about the sidewalks in the
middle so when we connect to the
existing trails the existing trail
starts probably well it starts way down
here and comes up and it's it's a
wonderful hike you don't want to take
this if you're on blood medicine or
blood pressure medicine it's really
spectacular this trail here remains
existing the only change we're doing in
this trail here and one of the comments
picked it up was this area right here
the existing stair that comes up there
is actually on the private property of
Phase two we're going to be
reconstructing that and if you walk it
you'll realize reconstruction is a good
idea here because it's pretty beat-up
and we're going to move that trail just
to the edge of the project here so it
will kind of come up this way and
connect to sunrise sunrise the trail
continues this way and this is the
existing trail now the Squawk mountain
trail we are going to put a interpretive
center down here because we noticed
there's actually a wonderful little
kiosk there there's nothing on it
so we think an interpretive center would
make for this walk to be a far more
educational and it goes up to the hill
is that helpful yes thank you thank you
further comments
I've been other questions since we have
you up there where to do I don't know if
you have this right now but the original
building square footage and the proposed
building square footage in the original
number of parking stalls and the
proposed number of parking stalls yes we
have all that in the date and I believe
it's in the in the packet you'll see
that I don't remember it right yeah I
don't think I saw square footages and Oh
might be on that micro print underneath
maybe if I knew how to zoom in I would
in the packet there's an exhibit called
a1 and it's the it's the site
disturbance in wall exhibit and this
actually became a driving force in our
design concepts but at the very top
you'll notice that there's data the
total approved gross floor area is three
hundred and ninety thousand one hundred
sixty three the total proposed gross
floor area is two hundred ninety six
thousand four hundred ninety five
reduction of about ninety five thousand
square feet and then learning number of
parking stalls I don't have that on this
but I do know that it's in the report
one of the differences in counting them
that you'll run that you'll also see is
the condominium is the flats the the
existing building phase to the parking a
lot of the parking is below the building
and there's a quite a bit of surface
parking which is also shared by the
community center and then because we're
now townhomes our goal is to have
garages with cars in the garage so when
we looked at guest parking it was really
a question of how many guests do we
think this will have and we worked with
the city's current code on that okay
well that'd be one thing I'd like to see
in the twentieth is what were the
original you know given what was proven
and I think it was a hundred in
don't be benign or in the parking in the
parking something like that but how many
actual stalls then and now both under
building and gas just to be able to see
that you know we've got townhomes but
hate to find out we have more parking
than we had before you will see those in
the report but we'll come back we'll
highlight those at our next meeting
great thank you and I don't know if I
remember seeing that exhibit in our
package if it's not I will add it as
part of the briefing memos there was I
tried to not make it to over 200 pages
so there might have been some selected
Kings not it's always one thing you know
there's always one so I will make sure
there can I a couple more just and then
I'll stop I've got a little more since
we're picking on rich I want to pick up
one more time so in that there are these
are some minor detail questions really
but in the new conditions the first
condition a talks about changing
building model kit modulation from two
to three feet and I don't know what
impact that's going to have on the
building design is that significant or
is that something you can easily
integrate we've been wrestling a little
bit with it most of the wrestle has been
really how are we measuring it because
as an example we've got three four foot
overhangs on some of our parking garages
in order to make the garage recede into
the shadow but and we have a whole lot
of texture when you see the elevations
you'll see that not just in material and
color but also in modulation what we've
not really worked with staff on is in
this particular reporter they're
referring to modulation horizontally
vertically all of the above our goal on
this is we don't want these buildings to
be flat they really should look very
residential and that's why we put a lot
of effort into all the entries that you
that you'll see in there too
most of the entry affect all of the inch
the unit entries are covered with a with
a they have a small stoop and a cover
over it and the cover
five maybe six feet in some cases proud
of the building itself so I think you'll
see we have a lot of modulation in there
okay so on the 20th that will be
something that we'll spend a lot of
certainly taking a look at and thank you
the other question on condition l looks
like it's a new one of the new
conditions it says building colors will
match those of calc re phase one which
is pretty strong language
hopefully you saved a gallery so you can
match it so I don't know what the plan
is from a color standpoint and that
color I am glad you asked actually our
original proposal our intent on the
whole project was to match our original
wording was similar or be inspired by or
something like that and staff in all its
wisdom came down said you're gonna match
so I went out and personally matched
those colors and since that time we've
also been able to find the original
colors from the original approval we
will match those colors so so just so
just so sticking up for the city's
perspective on this it is the beginning
of a conversation just a clarification
I've always enjoyed Bailey's
architecture in thank you very nice yeah
what a question that I have and we're
talking about color and matching and
stuff like that I thought I read
something it says the theme that you're
going with is the National Lodge is that
one of those design themed no it's not
it's not mirroring the choices were
having in central is equality
no this is different so how does that or
have we approved the design guide so it
was not option it would not apply to
this project because it's not in central
Issaquah so those standards are just for
central Issaquah okay okay how you enjoy
your creativity thank you sir
thank you favorite subject Thank You mr.
chair for the comments thank you for
your time this evening thank you
I guess one this is more of a comment I
guess or suggestion Keith you on a I've
got to find your suggestions you had a
explanation on your requirement for
actually I'm aside the original
condition for talking about the 32 feet
and the 28 feet and the city thinking
that's okay I thought it would be better
instead of just saying complete as it
didn't complete that to actually include
your explanation of the difference and
why the city thinks it's okay that way
okay I can unpack that yeah thank you on
that that and both item C I think so
for the comments well there's no use in
prolonging this I wouldn't I think there
was one thing that I was concerned about
and I think would deserve some
discussion is the is the looking at what
was approved and the current rules and
regulations and and some explanation of
of how that how that was reconciled okay
and and so just the logic understanding
logic or the rationality is a bit
subjective and so it would help being
able to understand how those decisions
were made and I would like to thank the
excellent comments from the public you
know you did a great job and I really
appreciate that that's critical to us
being able to do our job and to get as
good a development as we possibly can
that's consistent with the desires of
the of the community and so thank you
very much for your attendance and with
that I think we can adjourn and I would
like it noted that it's not 12 o'clock
Thank You mr. chair
you