So this is, we wait for the red light to go, not, not. Give him
the hand signal.
Good evening and welcome to the June 24th meeting of the Issaquah Development Commission. Tonight
we will be having kind of a back to the future. We've got two community
conferences scheduled and it's the first time we've done that in a while. So we're
glad to have you here. The evening will proceed first with an approval of the
minutes of the last meeting that we had. and then we'll go into the agenda
items, which are the community conference for the Silverado care facility and then for the
application by Lakeside Industries to rezone. The way this works for those of you
who have not been in one of these meetings before is that each of
the applications will be addressed first by a member of the Issaquah City Government
staff, after which the applicant will have an opportunity to make further comments, observations,
and so on. And then if there are any members of the public who would
like to address both or either one of these issues, we'd ask that you sign
in there on that clipboard and we will have an opportunity after the applicant, we
will have an opportunity for members of the public who want to say something on
the record to do so. We ask that everybody, both the applicant and the members
of the public that wish to speak, identify themselves at the microphone by announcing your
name and your address for the record. After that, we will go to the commission
itself, members of the individual members of the commission will ask, excuse me,
will uh seek if they have any further questions uh they will do so at
that time to get clarification after which the members of the commission of the conclusion
of each of the community conferences will be each member of the commission who feels
like doing so has something to say can make observations or recommendations whatever with regarding
it the nature of the community conference is primarily to get a public uh
discussion if you will of each of the applications there will not be any major
decision uh or or uh final findings or anything like that by the development commission
in the community conferences so uh with that said we will go to approval of
the minutes from the may 4th at least may 6th meeting are there any additions
or corrections that anybody would like to make i have one On page
10, first paragraph, it was my observation and I
would like to have the record change to say
that I saw this as an opportunity, not only
for the school district, but also for the city
of Issaquah to combine their respective studies of transportation
to see if they could identify mutual work to be done to improve
traffic flows around all of the school district, middle schools and high schools.
And the main thing is to add the city into that in addition
to the school district. And that's it. Mr. Chair, I move we approve
the minutes of the May 6, 2015 Development Commission meeting as amended. I'll
second. It's been moved and seconded. Is there any further discussion? Any change
that anyone would like to make? In that case, all those in favor of
approval of the minutes as amended, signify by saying aye. - Aye. - Opposed?
All right, the minutes are approved as amended. In that case, now we will
go to the Silverado Care Community Conference. - Good evening, my name is Mike
Martin. I'm an associate planner with the city's Development Services Department. I had
the pleasure of meeting you all briefly before the meeting. Normally I do most of
my presentations to the UVDC, so this is my first time in front of this
body and I'm excited to be here. Tonight we're taking the Community Conference for Silverado
Care, file number COM150002. Mr. Harrison just did a great job of outlining the purpose
of the community conference. I'm not going to spend too much time on these next
slides, but I will highlight that the purpose of the meeting is to promote engagement
and discussion at a very high level to give the applicant, Silverado's, more ideas as
they develop their plans going into the site development permit. We can talk a little
bit more about the future permitting process after this initial step, which will be a
site development permit, which will come back to this body. So you'll have another opportunity
to review the application. But this is our first opportunity to take a look at
a very high level and start throwing out ideas, looking for opportunities, solving some site
challenges that we may discover, things of that nature. that's outlined here. So just
to give a little bit of context as to where this is, I think you're
all familiar. It's just across the street from the primary entrance at Talus Drive. So
you can see what this circle down here, excuse me, it'll show a little bit
better on the following slide. The property itself is over 22 acres and you can
kind of see by the yellow lines it kind of runs something like
that. The actual facility that's proposed covers roughly the area of this oval. So a
large expanse of the property doesn't have any plans for development. And we can talk
a little bit more about that. But what's important to note is that the proposal
just talks to have the development kind of right there at the entrance to Taos
on the opposite side of Taos Drive. i went out to the
site today and pardon me i've got allergies climbing around in this tall fescue but
i did take some photos today and you can tell the the number corresponds to
the spot where i took the photo and the direction kind of shows the where
it's going so up in the top left that was probably right about near where
the back of the site will be you can see tibbets creek run behind there
and that creek has a 100 foot buffer and there's been some preliminary wetland studies
and stream studies to look at how the project will fit within the context of
the critical areas on the site. The first one's looking out over Talus. You can
see the crane up there. They're doing well on the phase two expansion of Timber
Ridge. The second photo is kind of just inside of the drive that currently exists
there at the lights. Number three is just a shot looking straight
north right at the intersection where the existing drive is. And then the
fourth I got in there pretty good and this one again is kind
of looking north as well. An overall summary of the proposal. This property
is zoned single family estate and again it's just shy of 22 acres.
The facility which Paul is going to present shortly here is just under
39,000 or just under 40,000 square feet. It's memory care. This is Alzheimer's
and dementia. These residents do not drive. The facility is proposed right now
with 53 sleeping units and that would accommodate 93 residents. It's a single
story building with kind of a Northwest style of architecture. The proposal calls
for 48 parking stalls. By code this is actually a little bit under what the
code requirement is. We'll likely need to do an administrative adjustment of standards to reduce
this but staff would support this given that the residents do not drive so they've
provided a study to indicate that the actual parking demand is far less than 48
and that will be further evaluated with the site development permit. I'll show you
in some photos but the site is kind of a circular enclosed facility
with an internal courtyard with outdoor amenities for their residents and guests. Some
buffer averaging and stream mitigation to the buffer will likely be required with
this project and we're working with our environmental planner and a wetland consultant
to establish the boundaries of the critical area and determine what type of
mitigation will be required and where. And finally, as it stands right now, this
type of facility is not permitted in the single family estate zoning. So the
applicant has requested an amendment to the ISQA municipal code table permitted land uses
to allow this as a use within the single family estate zoning. So what
that entails is that requires City Council approval. It's a little bit outside of this
body, but I did want to make you aware that that will go in front
of the City Council, the Planning and Policy Commission, as well as the Land and
Shore Commit-- sorry, Planning and Policy Committee and Land and Shore Committee before a vote
by the City Council. So if the City Council determined that this use wasn't suitable,
the project wouldn't go forward. but as it is now, we're taking a look at
it and that's likely to go through in the fall. It'll be on the fall
docket for the council process for the agenda bill. And the council will take a
look at that at that time. We did receive one public comment so far. This
project requires notice within neighbors of 300 feet. So we sent that out and I
got a call, or actually, yeah, I got a call and a letter from Jim
at Squawk Mountain Nursery. and his primary concern is that some of the lighting at
night could impact the nighttime growing patterns of the plants and the greenhouses. So it's
something to consider and we'll want to be aware of that and make sure that
we're not creating an adverse impact for the folks to the north at Squawk Mountain
Nursery. A quick run around the site plan and this is really blown up so
this is not reflective of the entire property. This is a zoomed in of just
the project site. But can you see my cursor? There's a light here. It's
a four-way intersection. So the driveway as it is right now being proposed, it
goes off an existing drive. We're evaluating that with our public works engineering department
to determine whether or not that's going to be suitable or if
modifications need to happen. And we're evaluating that right now. But it's
pretty straightforward, a drive into the site. There's a kind of a
drop off zone with a port cachere here. This will be the
primary entrance to the facility. Most of the parking's up here. There's
two fire access turnarounds, one here and one here. And we have
met with Mark Lawrence at Eastside Fire and Rescue. Whoa. Well, I
hope I'm on there. I don't know what happened. We did meet
with Mark Lawrence. Sorry, I want to make sure that this
is being recorded for Tim. I think it's okay. I think
he would have flashed the light if we had problems. So
I'm just going to proceed. Fire turnarounds here and here with
parking, additional parking. And then you can see the whole internal
courtyard. This is a secure access for the residents. Okay.
there is a sidewalk connection which we require from the landing pad here from the
ada crosswalk and whether or not the configuration resembles this we're not sure yet but
it's important to note that there will be a pedestrian access from state route 900
and then i'm not going to spend too much time on these but i did
throw them in my slideshow but uh here's a couple looks at the buildings in
in uh Paul Mullen with Silverado is going to have
a lot more to say about that, but I do
have them in here, some more elevations, and I think
these are in your packet. But with that, I'll turn
it over to Paul, and he'll have some more to
say about his project. Thank you. Thank you, Mike. My
name is Paul Mullen. My address is 6400 Oak Canyon,
Irvine, California. And I want to introduce James. I'm
James Brown, a principal with Wattenberger Architects. We're located in Bellevue, Washington here. So thank
you very much for having us this evening. There were three or four things we
were hoping to accomplish in working with you this evening. One was to introduce Silverado
and let you know who we are, introduce you to our operating model and answer
some questions around the site and how we're going to operate around the site. giving
an understanding of our design priorities and serving people with dementia and how we operate
with people with dementia and receive input from you, the city, on how to improve
this design. By no means is anything final or fully baked, as you guys know
with this site plan. We're really looking for input to make it the best possible
community and really fit in with the area and of course get input hopefully from
our neighbors tonight and through the whole process. We naturally do outreach with our direct
neighbors and particularly TALUS in finding ways that we can work together. So,
would like to just take you through a very short slideshow. Feel free
to let me know to stop if there's any questions along the way.
But Silverado Senior Living, our main mission, our main purpose is to bring
life to the people that we serve. Life being love, engagement, innovation, and
And those are all things that we really focus on in caring for people with
dementia. We don't believe people with dementia should be treated any different than anybody else
and, in fact, should be given the same dignity and respect that any of us
want at the end of life. Just very quickly, and I can come back to
this later, this is kind of just a very quick aerial view. Our intent is
to kind of create this Northwestern Lodge vernacular that we found along this stretch of
street that we'd like to model after, and we'd like to get some input on
that. tonight and really make it a beautiful setting that's set down into this property
and not something glaring as you're driving by, but something that looks natural in this
very natural setting. So that's a nice kind of aerial view of the site. Once
again, our purpose and what we strive for is really to change the world and
the way people are taken care of with dementia. We don't believe that even ourselves
have come to a full realization on how we can improve the way people are
cared for with dementia. So we're constantly striving and sharing with other people in the
industry the things that we do and improve upon those things. Our vision, once again,
is to bring life not only to our residents and their families, but also our
associates, and really leave the world a better place through what we do and how
we operate. The inception of our model, Lauren Shook, our CEO, and Steve
Winter. Lauren is from Redmond and a native to Washington, always wanted to find
a way to get back to this area. He started in Fairfax Hospital, a
behavioral health hospital, working as a child and then moving up through the ranks
and working for behavioral psych centers and really found that we should create a living
environment where there's pets, there's children, there's freedom of movement for people with dementia. And
he's kind of synthesized all these thoughts into operating in our design philosophy that allows
people freedom of movement and the dignity and respect they deserve. And that's really kind
of the essence of the inception of our model. Our model of care, we are
assisted living here in Washington with the Department of Health. We've worked with them previously
in communities in Everett and Bellingham and have very good record with the state. Our
model care is really focused on, once again, this idea of normalization, getting away from
an institutional skilled nursing type setting and into a residential setting that we all want
to be a part of. And really, you know, despite all the comorbidities and the
dementia, we believe that with this care, pretty logical care, there's nothing revolutionary we're doing.
But with what we do, we change the way people live and live longer and
better. And I'll show you a little bit about our clinical outcomes later on. Today
we have 31 memory care communities throughout the country from basically Chicago down to Dallas
and back here to the northwest in California. We also have hospice offices and we
hope to open a hospice office here in the Seattle area. potentially Esquire to serve
people at end of life, and as well what we call at-home services, taking
care of folks with dementia at home. So those are all lines of our
business. And that's 45 separate service locations across eight states, with two in development
now and serving over 3,000 residents with 3,500 associates on staff. around the country
it's kind of a quick map of where we are um i just want to
comment real quickly we we've done this work we've developed in a lot of different
cities issaquah has been fantastic really working with mike and chris wright it's it's really
a breath of fresh air that really embraced our plan helped us guide us through
this process and i really got to commend the city on their forward thinking and
planning it's been a pleasure working with everybody here our design philosophy and what we're
striving for. Really, we can't expect our residents to fit into our systems or the
way we do things. They have dementia, they're not going to do that. We really
need to fit into their world and what's the best way to do that is
creating this prosthetic and therapeutic model of design. prosthetic being an environment that compensates for
that deteriorating brain function, and therapeutic being a supportive community that has memory
boxes, has rest rails, has different elements, very simple kind of residential elements
that help support people in living and also get them the exercise and
the daylight they need to live and be happy. Our memory care environment,
once again, we're striving to be residential. We're promoting safety. We're also promoting freedom of
movement. We have a core philosophy that love is greater than fear. What does that
mean? It means giving the people the freedom to get up and out of a
chair and walk rather than restraining them or getting them in a chair that's too
soft to get up and out of. We want people up and out and active.
If you sit in a chair too long, your whole skeletal muscle system starts breaking
down. And then all of a sudden when you get out of that chair, that's
the risk of falling fracture. We don't want that. We want people walking. And we
really create environments that promote that. We promote a feeling of security and really a
mastery of belonging there. This is your place, your home. Therapeutic environment, once again, creating
plenty of opportunities for socialization. At any one point in time, we have five to
six different engagements going on from eight in the morning till about seven o'clock at
night when the residents have dinner and then go to sleep. opportunities for stimulation, not
just bingo, really maximizing people's awareness of their surroundings and supporting their
ability through meaningful design and imagery. So really nice artwork and really
nice natural scenery that this site affords. This is a model of our
fuller plan, which I can come back to, I have at the end of this
slideshow. But programmatically, and it was very instructive, I was able to see the March
community conference with Fieldstone, and that was very instructive to me, and some of the
questions you had I thought were very important. So I thought I'd just cover some
of those up front to help understand kind of how we operate and who we
are. as far as our floor plan goes coming off of the street here and
getting access the back of the house is here truly in the back of the
property we were very conscientious in making sure that we were along the city guidelines
and along our desire to really give plenty of room to tibbets creek we recognize
this is a natural wonder we don't want to impact it so we really wanted
to make sure we were well set back from that so the building is The
back of the house and deliveries are brought to this area. The dumpster is back
here as well. All the resident rooms are along the outside of the community and
nowhere really near this back of the house. Our main dining, we have a central
commercial kitchen and central dining. I'm sorry, Mike. If you would please use the mouse,
the red dot doesn't show up on it. Oh, okay. Sure. Sure. Sorry about that.
Let's see if I can master this here. So we have our central commercial kitchen
and central dining. There are no kitchenettes, there's no kitchens in the resident rooms. They're
really efficient units where people are sleeping and bathing. Once again, we wanna get them
up early in the morning, get them fed, and get them active. That's how they're
gonna really enjoy and feel like they have a purpose-driven life with us. So all
deliveries would come in really towards this back of the house here. That's also, once
again, where the dumpster and trash would be. Moving on. Here's a view of one
of our bistros. We have three or four bistros throughout the community as well as
our central culinary and dining. The bistros really allow folks with dementia to eat any
time of day and hydrate any time of day. Folks might want to get up
in the middle of the night and have a sandwich and have some lemonade. We
encourage that and have refrigerators that they can just reach into and grab a bite
to eat in the middle of the night and have a very nice kind of
bistro feeling to it. Our courtyard, our courtyard design, this is an example of
one of our courtyards. It's gonna be a very similar design to Issaquah's. I
call them mini central parks. They're just massive 15 to 20,000 square foot interior
courtyards that allow for different textures and walking paths. As you can see here,
this is just granulated dirt and gravel, cement. grass, all these different textures
or walking areas that people can really exercise their muscles and strengthen their
ambulatory ability. So we encourage that. We also have true solariums. We're gonna
build two into this community here. This really allows for early morning daylight.
It's a completely enclosed system that truly is like a hot house almost.
It's a sunroom. The research that we found that people with dementia, given the opportunity
to get sunlight earlier in the day, are about 50% less likely to have what's
called sundowners at the end of the day. Sundowners is behavior or acting out and
trying to break out of your environment. It's really because a lot of these folks
sometimes aren't kept in the right conditions where they're getting the natural light and the
freedom of movement they need, so they act out. We really make sure that we
emphasize that also with our interior design. Here's a kind of aerial view or BIM
model of kind of the view you'd see from above with the courtyard. We'll have
a very nice enclosure so when the rainy season, people can actually go outside and
cross over to other sections of the building without getting too wet. and a very
nice kind of garden feel to the outside. We have a putting green out there
so residents families can come and visit and putt and enjoy their time with their
mother or father and have something to do. Benches throughout as well as raised planters
and different activities outside that they can engage in and enjoy. There's a couple elevations
of the building to give you an idea. Once again, these are not final,
but we're coming to kind of a pretty nice feel of stack stone, shingle
type plank and wood material to give it, once again, that kind of Northwestern
lodge vernacular that we found in this area of Issaquah. Here's a nice example
of multi-generational entertainment. We encourage our associates to bring their kids to work. And
we definitely encourage fun and having these water slides in the middle of our courtyards
or in the middle of summertime is a great treat for the kids as well
as the seniors that want to sit and watch them. So that's a lot of
fun. once again our site plan i showed you a little earlier i can come
back to this and answer questions that i'm sure you might have as we go
i did want to mention real quickly and i did bring some supporting material in
regard to squawk mountains letter i fully appreciate what they're saying their their closest hot
house which is elevated above our parking lot here come back if i can elevated
above above our parking lot you know we we've had this challenge at other communities
where we're in a residential neighborhood we believe in dark skies we don't want to
have glaring lights in the middle of the night the the new um light poles
that we use are directional led as well as on timers so that later in
the evening after our business hours they go out we're We're more than 200 feet
away from any of those hothouses. The photometric studies we've done on other communities
show that with these directional lights that we use, there's really zero to less
than 0.1 lumens at 50 to 100 feet from our community. So I understand what
their concern is and we'll be cognizant of it. We really hope to engage them.
We believe they could help us quite a bit with our courtyard and landscaping. So
we're looking forward to getting to know them a lot better. I'll keep going. i
just want to touch on very quickly i mentioned our clinical outcomes earlier this is
very important to us when people come to us comatose on 15 or 16 different
psychotropic meds that they've had because they've been kind of sedated dementia care sometimes people
will just sedate people to care for them we don't believe in that we have
24 7 nursing we We take people in within the first 72 hours. We assess
them. We find out what medications they really need out of the 15. Usually it's
four or five and surely enough, people that have come to us comatose with just
six weeks to live according their doctors you know two weeks later after getting off
all these drugs are are walking and talking and living again it really is pretty
amazing and we have hundreds of stories like that so so we really encourage people
to get up and walk again get them feeding feeding themselves again we track their
behavior make sure they're improving making sure they can go to the bathroom on their
own we're really encouraging as much self-sufficiency as they can have at this point in
their life, as well as having the support of caregivers to take care of them.
So we really track this stuff. Sure, please, Richard. - What do those numbers mean?
The numbers, I'm sorry, these are people that have gone from not being able to
walk to walking again, for instance, and people that weren't able to feed themselves when
they came to us that now could. And this was up through 2006, basically. So
I need to get, I'm sorry, December 2013, I need to get more recent data.
But to give you an idea, those are the lives we impacted and improved.
And I want to just end with a story of one of our residents. Her
name was Edith, and this was a picture book that was put together by a
wonderful woman who followed Edith. Edith came to us, once again, totally comatose. Her doctor
said she might have a month to live. She wasn't talking. She wasn't really moving.
We assessed her. We got her off of many of those horrible psychotropic meds she
didn't need. Within about a week or two, one of our community cats got up
on the bed and she started petting it. First movement she had in months. And
sure enough, a couple months later, after really rehabilitating and enjoying her environment, she's at
Del Mar Racetrack with her daughter betting on the horses. And that's life. That's giving
life, getting people back up and out into the community. And we encourage that. We
want our residents not only to live with us, but to get out and enjoy
trips to places like Del Mar. So that's just a really neat story I wanted
to share with you. I also enjoy getting our residents on the development team and
this is a great picture of one of our residents helping me with some plans
there. Everything's a program at Silverado. I'm happy to take any questions that you might
have and James is here to assist me as well if there's any technical detail
that you might have about the program. I appreciate that. What the format usually is
is that you'll give your presentation if the other gentleman wants to do something and
then we'll go to public comment and then the commissioners will have an opportunity to
ask you or members of the public or anything else. Perfect. James, is there anything
you might want to mention about infiltration or... I can mention a couple. Would you
identify yourself, please? I'm James Brown with Wattenberger Architects. I can just kind
of let everyone in on a couple of the concepts that kind of helped us
or led us through the design process and got us where we are. And also
I'd like to reiterate what Paul has said, that this is an opportunity for us
to get feedback. So this is not 100% set in stone. We're certainly open to
any ideas that might improve upon it. A couple key considerations that came
to mind when we approached this were first and foremost, it's a very beautiful, natural
area. We wanted to try and minimize any impact on that. And so you notice
that the building has a bit of an odd shape and configuration and orientation on
the site. That was done in great part to minimize the impact from the street
front and from any other viewable source. So we've got the building angle coming down
so that our front facade off of State Route 900 is going to be minimized.
So that along with the desire to work with the wetland boundaries and to maintain
a strong internal courtyard is kind of what led to this kind of interesting chevron
shape that we ended up with. It is a very tight site.
There are a lot of challenges. There's Tibbets Creek, there's two tributaries, and another category
three wetland over here. So we've tried to respect that. We've tried to work within
that. We are doing a little bit of buffer averaging to help get a more
regular buildable shape in this site, but we're not proposing any additional mitigation beyond that.
We are going to be proposing some improvements along with the buffer averaging. I
think we're looking at about 8,000 to 9,000 square feet at last
count of area. So we're maintaining between a 90 and 115 foot
setback for many of the Tibbets Creek or the tributaries. So it's
a difficult and fun site to work with. Our access, as Paul
mentioned, is coming right off of the existing intersection from Tallis, directly
across from Tallis. We wanted to kind of hug the building with one side because
we need a certain amount of space for vehicular circulation and to get some site
amenities. Paul mentioned that it's very important to get some intergenerational activities here. We've got
a playground in here that's actually shifting over here to be off the activity room
where I think it's going to get some more use. So we've got some opportunities
here, but the primary focus for the residents is going to be the central courtyard
area. And this is a very important space, I think. One of the difficulties
that we often have when we're designing for those with Alzheimer's or cognitive or
memory care issues is they tend to wander. And as a result, it's a
tendency to severely restrict their ability to do so. And a secure internal courtyard
is something that we love to see as designers. It's great for the residents.
You're going to get a much higher level of safety while giving the residents a
lot of flexibility and opportunity to get around, to exercise, to experience things. So that
was a very important design element. Like Paul mentioned, we're looking at trying to fit
into the context of the neighborhood. We're looking at kind of a little bit of
a contemporary twist on what I would call a Northwest style. We're currently just
this week taking another pass at that and looking forward to any input from
the community that might help guide us in that. Thank you, sir. Is there
any other member of the applicant group that wants to make a presentation this
time? All right. Is there any member with that done? We'll open it to
public comment. Is there anybody from the public who would like to comment on
the application as it stands so far? All right. Okay. There's somebody right here.
uh yeah if you'd sign in please
and then go on up to the
mic and when you get up to
the mic if you'd give your name
and address hi i'm mary moore i
live at 7804 renton isaac road southeast
i'm just directly north in fact you
can see my garage just on the
left of the parking lot um i
do have some issues oops i'm sorry
i'm hitting i don't know how to
set it back I do have a
few issues about the the type of housing this is When
I got the notice I was a little confused To me
this seemed more like a commercial property going in than residential
even though it it's a single-family estates low density residential it
just didn't seem to me like this was residential Especially with
all the parking The main concerns I have are the
north side of the property, there is a ditch and it does
have moving water in it and it's the side with the parking
lot that borders our property. The lights, if this is a facility
that's open 24 hours a day, you're going to have lights in
a parking lot that will impact not only the nursery but but
our area where we live, you're gonna have delivery trucks. If you
have a food service, you're gonna have delivery trucks delivering all hours,
backup noise when they're backing up big trucks delivering food. You're gonna
have not just, it says 91 beds, you're gonna have staff, family
is gonna create more people, more traffic continuous with family driving in
and out. That's a lot of input into
the sewer, which already I can smell at
the end of our road. And I've talked
to Public Works a couple times about it.
And that's a big concern is the impact
on the sewer line that runs right out
on SR 900. I question... why this is one story
and not two, where if you had residents up on the second floor,
you could control security with elevators. I know people that work in this
industry and that is a concern of people getting out. I know you
have the courtyard, but there's wildlife there. We have quite a
lot of bear and bobcat and coyotes and hawks. There's two huge, huge,
huge trees in the middle of the pasture that really are heritage trees
if you want to label them. They're huge. I don't see those being
saved. There's salmon now in the creek regularly. The Indians have been tracking
them. Their coho, they come up in November. For a while they weren't
there and they're back. What's the impact on that? The bears
don't care that there's going to be a memory care facility. They're
still going to come down and get into the dumpsters. They get
into our garbage. Big ones, families of bears. It's just such an
ecosystem down there. I can't, you know, the Stephanies know it. I
know it. And I understand, you know, I want the Stephanies to
sell their property and I want that for them.
But there's just, it's just too, it's such a
critical area. It's such a critical area. There's just
so much wildlife, hawks, so much down there. It's
just, it's loaded with critical wildlife and sensitive things.
You know, it just really needs to be looked
at. It borders on a wildlife corridor that was
set up with TALUS, the state park, concerns with noise,
of course, traffic on SR 900, the fast speeds there,
the continuous traffic, of course the trees. And really, really
my first and very first concern was the creek, the
salmon, and how this can be considered residential. where
if you had houses, everyone at night turns off their lights, they go to
bed. There's not trucks and lights on parking lots. It's a 24-hour thing, and
this is a residential area. That's And just truly, if you came out
and walked the property and were around and just saw the wildlife and what
it is and the beauty of it, it truly is a really, it's a
nice place. And there's not many places, if any, like that left in Issaquah.
Since I'm from here, I know. So just take that into consideration. I appreciate
it. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Anybody else from the public wishes to speak?
In that case, we'll move to the commission clarification questions. Go around for
each commissioner, and at the conclusion of that, we'll have an opportunity as
individuals to state our opinion on it and or make any recommendations or
state approval or whatever it is that you want to do as an
individual. So, TJ, do you want to start it? If you have anything
to... Ask or get more clarification. I'm interested in what
is on the South side of the property. It sounds
like we've heard a lot the people that are you
know Squawk Mountain nursery and from the You're on the
south side north side. Okay on the other side of
the property Over in the lower right hand corner of
the map there. What's Single-family, okay, and where are the
tributaries? I don't know where Tibbetts Creek is, but those other.
So Tibbetts is running along the back of the area that we're proposing
working with. One of the tributaries goes in between the single family home
and the site. The other one goes up into the hillside up this
way. Okay. And then, as Mary mentioned, there is wetland in this area
here. Okay. And you mentioned the sewer system
that it flows out and is under State Route 900. Would that be addressed
to the city? Is there a known, is there an issue there as far
as the city is concerned with sewer capacity? There's not an issue to
my knowledge. It would certainly be evaluated with the site development permit by our
engineering staff. I do know that they need to extend the sewer a little
bit to service the property, and capacity would be analyzed. Okay, thanks. That's all
I had. Commissioner Hicks? Yes, in our packet we were told there
were 91 residents per 53 residential rooms and in your presentation
I saw 93. Is it 93 or 91? 91. 91. Okay,
thank you. Sorry, there's still a couple typos in there. Okay,
thank you. And I have... A question about the site access in our
packet, site access through the category three wetland was mentioned. However, I don't see it
listed there or maybe it's in a different slide or something like that. But could
you explain that? Sure. About 10 years ago, WSDOT with the city went ahead and
created this bridge trellis type system. There was a wetland here. It's all dried up
now. There was a spring over by Talos that somehow got dammed up. There's no
longer water here, but that was the wetland and was dealt with by WSDOT by
creating really almost a bridge structure. They also, with the city, created a drive into
the property, and that's the same drive we would plan on using. Our intent is
not to touch that bridge by any means. or deal with that wetland. We want
to go around it. Well, thank you for being transparent about the location. I appreciate
that. I think the community does too. And my last question is about traffic impacts.
Has there been a discussion between you and the city of Issaquah about the impacts
to the intersection? TALIS residents are not accustomed to dealing with any type of oncoming
traffic. They are heavy commuters. I used to live in Tallis. So I'm interested in
any discussion that's happened between you and the city about traffic impact fees or
improvements that will be done prior to occupancy. Sure. We did do a traffic
study. We have five shifts of associates that come working on five different shifts
through the week. Our biggest shift is 12 people coming in. The impacts were
relatively low compared to what could be 15 to 18 single family homes on
this property. So it was a much lower traffic impact, number one. Number two,
with TALIS, there was a full signal system that was installed there and included
with the property that we're developing on to allow for access in and out
of the property, including a left turn arrow. So it is signalized. there
and we intend to honor and use that signal. Okay and I guess
just one last question relating to public comment. Have you considered any type
of mitigation for wildlife as far as bears getting into your garbage lights
that might impact any wildlife that's living out in the wetland? Absolutely.
We would honor that ecology out there. By no means do we want to invite
bears down into it, and we'd look at maximizing the security for those dumpsters, similar
to what you find in national parks, really locking down the dumpsters to the extent
that the local... you know garbage company would allow us to do that but certainly
it's enclosed usually with a locked gate or a gate that's there so really limiting
access to those barriers and to to the point mary brought up a lot of
very good concerns we've heard this at other properties and we've addressed it we're not
a 24-hour operation people here are residents they go to bed right around seven eight
o'clock we have about two or three people on shift at the late shift to
just watch over the property. We do not have deliveries after, say, 5, 6 o'clock
at night. It's very much similar to a residential setting. People come and go at
7 a.m. in the morning. People come and go at 5 or 6. Deliveries are
in between those hours. We're not having trucks coming in and off the property at
all hours. We wouldn't want that for our residents either. And as far as lighting
and noise, this is about – As quiet as it gets for a residential scenario,
these folks are pretty worn out after a long day of programming and going to
bed, like I said, right around seven, eight o'clock. And we really wish more families
would visit. Unfortunately, the sad fact of senior housing is not a lot of people
want to visit. And that's why we invite our associates to bring their children and
really try and encourage people. We offer free meals. We would love to have Mary
and her family come over for meals and get to know us better and see
how that we truly are residential. We are not a commercial operation. It's truly a
residential operation. And it is completely secure. We do not want people walking out into
this busy road in the middle of the night. We have worked with all local
fire authorities and we would work here with ESCOA to create delayed egress and mag
lock systems that do not let people out of the building. That's why we give
them free access to that inner courtyard which is unlocked and it really gives people
with dementia a feeling of hey, I can go anywhere I want and go take
a walk in the park. But when they get to that front door, they're not
going through it It's it's locked if there's a fire and the fire system goes
off all doors open. So yeah Mr. So what so I like the idea. I
like the internal courtyard the Reality, although contrary to what it might seem like for
the next couple of weeks We do get rain here. And while you have a
covered walkway I was wondering if you'd considered any other kinds of Congregating areas
that might have covers over them and that kind of thing. I this part of
the world Kind of demands out of if if you don't want people to get
outside and walk So that's that's the only suggestion I'd make is you think about
that that is an addition maybe if you haven't There are a couple focal areas
that are a little bit hard to read in this image where we've got an
extended outdoor porch area that activities can take place in Yeah, we've made sure jetting
out into the courtyard, there is those areas exactly that are covered, but you still
have patio furniture and access to the outdoors. I think that's a great, great idea,
and we encourage that. That's it for me. Commissioner Long? Thank
you. Mr. Chair, I had the same issue about the weather. And
you have the sunroom and not having the benefit of looking at
the floor plan. I think the sunroom is good. And I don't
know what the size is. When you have about 90 residents, it's
a sizable room that I would think that you would need. So
that's something-- If you have any clarification of that right now,
we can take a look at it. I just envision a sizable room
for this exercise during five months out of the year. You cannot go
out. The other thing that I want to kind of have you explain
is on the parking. If you could go back to the site plan.
You have a couple of parking spots in front. of the entrance there
on the west side of the main entrance. You got two of them and it's
labeled AP. What does that stand for? Yeah, right there. - These two right here
and these two? - No, you had it correct. - Okay. - Right there, yeah.
- Yeah, those would be accessible or wheelchair parking, yeah. - I see, I see.
- Yeah, we wanna get those as close to the front door as we possibly
can. - Okay. - And we will try and eke out a couple more parking
spaces if we can, but we are really trying to keep to the environment and
the ecology here. We're doing absolutely nothing, you know, you know, 100 feet from Tibbets
Creek and then all the way up the other 15 some odd acres into the
hillside there. That will be pristine tree line. We have no way of getting there,
no desire to do anything with those trees other than let them grow and be
beautiful. So we will really also embrace the ecology there. Okay. Now you have a
lot of parking that's kind of spread out, like on the south. East, you have
like three of them over there. And then on the west side of the facility,
you have like about five or six of them next to Highway 900. And then
there's quite a few on the north side of the facility. What was your thought
there when you kind of spread it out? I can answer that. Would you make
sure that you identify yourself every time I speak, please? James Brown from Wattenberger Architects.
When we started laying this project out, we had initially had some more parking along
both sides of the building. It was a little bit more dispersed. And as we
started to get more information from wetlands, as we started to develop the building design
a little bit more and get a better, more accurate sense for how to work
on the site, it became difficult to fit some of those additional stalls in. which
is why the parking count dropped a little bit and why it seems like
they're a little bit sporadic over there. But because we're right around that parking
requirement, we wanted to retain them for the time being until we could get
some additional feedback. So like the three that's on the southeast corner there, are
those for staff? Generally, yeah. The further you get from the front door,
we would encourage our associates to park in the rear areas and come through.
We have key function doors that they could key into the back doors to
come in. Those six or five that's on the west side of the facilities,
are those along 900? yeah down there yeah are those for staff as
well you know we haven't designated them um it would certainly make sense we
we would want to keep these these spaces available for visitors more than anybody
and interspersed staff further away they're more than happy to walk over to the
entry okay and um you said you you mentioned do you have five shifts
correct Okay, so what are the hours? You know, I wish I
had that parking study with me generally. Don't quote me on this, but we
have the max shift is, do you have it? Thank you very much. I
can tell you exactly. There we go. Shift one is 5.30 in the morning
to 1.30 p.m. And that's the largest shift. That's 12 associates that will be
coming in at that point. The second shift is 7 a.m. to 3 p.m. That's
nine associates coming in and on board at that point in time. Shift three is
9 a.m. to 6 p.m. with nine associates. Shift four is 11 a.m. to 7
p.m. And shift five is 1:30 to 10:00 PM. And
I'm sorry, the last two were five and four associates, respectively.
I see. I'm trying to get a feel of when you
have the most traffic coming in. It's not a big traffic.
And again, with the concern for the neighbors, nine-- nine
seems like nine you have the first shift was 12 you say uh first shift
5 30 a.m yeah how many uh 12 associates both associates yeah that's probably the
most that you have there that is yeah and once again we would encourage them
to park you know away from other housing and into the stalls that are there
but also it's a very good transit line right there we'd encourage them to come
in via transit The other thing is on your main parking lot there, is there
a reason why you don't have a hammerhead there? It just kills me when I
have to keep looking for a parking spot and I keep going, going, and then
when I hit the end, there are no parking spots and I can't turn around
and I have to back all the way out. So is there any reason why
there's not a hammerhead at the end there yeah it really really came down to
the buffer the wetland buffer uh we didn't want to impact any of that or
try and mitigate around it we did allow for and worked with the fire department
creating hammer natural hammerheads for their use on the back of the house here and
then right here they'd be able to back in and back out but yeah that
we also tried to be as efficient as possible with the paving and we're going
to be proposing uh previous paving to reduce the stormwater impacts on the site. But
it was also a factor in how we tried to lay out some of the
hammerheads. And so we've tried to double up on some of the hammerhead lanes for
the fire truck turnaround with the parking drive. And in doing that, I think between
that and the previous paving, we've made a significant reduction in the initial estimates of
the stormwater impacts. I think we're looking at about a two-thirds this would
be initial estimates. Yeah. Okay. Mr. Morgan? Thank you. Thank you. I think
I only have one question for staff I guess. With regard to the
rezone, is there anything you need us to do tonight?
Not directly. What we'll do is we'll package up all the commentary and we'll make
sure that that's presented to the council committees prior to their vote. So one of
the reasons we started this early is that we wanted the council to have an
opportunity to hear from you all and hear the results of this hearing before we
bring it forward. Great. Thank you. - I just want one clarification.
We've talked already a lot about lighting. I just wanna make sure that
I understand that Issaquah Creek is also, we try to keep lighting, direct
lighting off that. So that's a pretty heavy tree cover over the creek
there. So from what I understood you to say earlier, sir, that you're
saying there's virtually no light impact at night on the creek itself.
You know, we're 100 feet off the creek. I can share with you the lumen
studies and photometric studies. I thought you said earlier. Within 100 feet, it'd be 0
to, it's .001 lumens with these, and I think that's more like 50 feet off.
in the photometric study I have from another property. And we would have these on
timers. They're not on 24-7. We'd shut down around 10 p.m. That's the end of
the day for us. I would add that the staff will review for that. It's
a code requirement that there's no lighting impacting the buffer. So we will require the
photometric studies with the site development permit to ensure that there's no light spilling out.
yeah the new equipment that's out there now for lighting is amazing with this led
technology and we absolutely want to spend the money on it because it's it's it's
worth it you know all right we'll uh if there are any more questions or
clarifications at this point we'll go into any uh observations that you care to make
or recommendations and be as succinct or whatever you need to cover your issues on
this or your recommendations Any plans for sidewalks on State
Route 900, or is it... Yeah, the request at that
point was to connect, at this point it was to connect a sidewalk through to
the other side of Talos where there is sidewalks on that side of the road.
You have this Jersey barrier and a bridge that make it just very difficult to
improve that condition. There's no sidewalks connecting on that side of the street at all.
So right now we're planning to have pedestrians be able to use, you can see
the sidewalk here, I think. on the other side of the street. - It's not
that we're opposed to sidewalks. We actually think that it would be a safety concern
because The properties on either side currently have no sidewalks. It's not likely they're going
to be developed at any point in the near future. And we have some wetlands
in the Jersey barrier that I don't think are going to get built out in
the foreseeable future with sidewalks. And we're concerned that on such a busy road, if
we build 200 feet of sidewalk along our property, you could have people going down
there. And we all know that if they hit a dead end, they're likely to
go right across the street instead of walking back to the crosswalk. And so we
were really concerned about that possibility. Got it. We've got the sidewalk to nowhere on
the other side of the street, like southbound. I think it connects down to the
transit at least. Well, I'm talking about the one that goes towards Renton. Oh, yeah,
yeah. Sort of goes and stops there. It's in the state park. And from staff
perspective, the frontage improvements are still being evaluated, so we're looking at that with public
works engineering to determine what improvements will be required. I know in speaking with the
public works directing engineer, there might be some plans by WSDOT
to add a lane there, and we're gonna look into
that now so that we can accommodate that in the
future if needed. Thanks. I'm the granddaughter of an Alzheimer's
patient, so your facility looks magnificent. And I really appreciate
the mitigations that you've done in the planning of I've done
a little bit of research on your facilities and they look really great and I
think this fits in. You've done a lot of thought to fit this into our
community and since you are very interested in making sure that you have great relationships
with our community, just keep in mind that it's really hard for some Issaquah residents
to see changes happen to a piece of property like this. And and the concerns
about tree retention will come up. I'm concerned about tree retention, and you've obviously
addressed that, and I appreciate that. So on the note regarding public comment on
some of the significant trees, and I believe I see one of the old
maples that you have retained, if there's any way to work around those ancient
trees, I just implore you to try. Thank you. And... I think
you've done a great job of addressing the wetland
and the habitat protections, and so I appreciate that.
And so as far as your employees, We have something called an
ORCA card that you might want to look into providing for them to encourage them
to use transit and walk and use that great crosswalk you're considering. And also I
would ask that you consider the types of fertilizers that you use in your grasslands
because I see you have a lot of grass there and we have a lot
of rain in the state and that will run off into our creek. Yep. And
that does affect our salmon fry, and we have a salmon hatchery here.
So if you want to try and get involved, get your employees involved
in maybe salmon days and some of our ecology projects, that would be
a great relationship builder between you and our community. And that is all.
Thank you. I think it looks like a reasonable accommodation for trying to
put a facility in a currently Unapproved use, you know, I
think it is it does appear to be a residential function and a
big residential But it's a residential function. I think your sensitivity that is
really valuable really paying attention to the The ecology is really valuable to
all of us and looks like you're it's a good application. So I
appreciate your presentation Thank you Thank You mr. Chair I also want to
thank the presentation that you've brought up to the Commission. As far as the design,
I like the concept of a courtyard. I think that's pretty much what the industry
is doing. And that's ideal because you've got more control of what's happening in there.
I would ask that there's some weather protection for the residents if they need to
go out there. The idea of the sunroom, again, like I said, you know, we
have We don't have the plans to look at it right now, but that's something
that maybe you can consider. Maybe a sunroom and then maybe a canopy that extends
out to the open so when it's not too windy and if it's a little
bit rainy, they can still go out there. And I like the concept where you
said, you know, get the residents to go out and do some movement. body movement,
exercise and stuff like that, I think that would be good.
You know, Tai Chi, moving around, you know, that really helps
the residents. The issue about the hammerhead, I guess it's just
a better design if you have a hammerhead in there. I
know what you're faced with, so I would encourage you to
look into that. Like I said, you drive in there
and you can't find a spot and you have to drive back
all the way out. I assume that you don't, most of those
parkings are for staff, not a whole lot for the visitors. So
I... the distance between the parking and the main entrance, somebody coming over to visit
their mom, they have to park all the way into the parking lot and the
parking lot is full of staff parking. And so they have to drive all the
way towards the end, no parking stalls, they gotta come all the way back out.
and then they have to look around for a parking spot. So it's
a nicer design if you have a hammerhead in there. I like the
sidings that you have around the building, the modulation that you have. Maybe
it's being dictated by the buffer setback that's required, but it's not bad,
it's good. So all in all, I like the design, and thank you
for making the presentation. Thank you. Mr. Morgan? Thank
you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to the applicant and the architect for coming in
the presentation, especially all the materials you've provided, the aerial photo shots, everything was very
excellent, very helpful, and we appreciate it. And to Mike Martin, great job with your
first job, first time in front of the Development Commission. Thank you. for the staff
report the um i do like the building design i like the fact that you've
incorporated some stone and wood and and taken northwest style too and i appreciate that
i think my only concern with the building itself would be the the roof itself
uh which from some of the aerial i guess we'll call mariel shots views of
it it does look like a fairly large brown expanse of roof cover and since
it's down lower people from the street and so forth i wonder if that's something
that could be looked into either in um yeah especially that shot if it's going
to look like a just a large unbroken roof cover if it's all the same
type of roof cover and so forth if there's anything that could be done there
um there was a comment in the staff report about adding more modulation on the
east side and i want to throw and i i don't think that's necessary since
the east side just backs up to trees and the creek i wouldn't think it
would be necessary but there is one concern i have back on the east side
is the the um the large windows that go into the um uh i guess
it'd be a common area looks like there's a Fireplace and some
large windows there. I'm not sure if
you can pull that If you can
get one of the it would be
one of the exterior elevations It was
a five in your I'm not sure
if it's in your document or the
staff report If that's the can read
if that's the east elevation the bottom
that is that the port Co share
and Another event at the east elevation. There's
a there's a large With lots of windows to it common area that looks out
my concern would be the light that would spill out of that at night Towards
the creek and I like the it's a nice look of it I'm sure the
the view out to there would be great if there's a way to incorporate shading
even if you turn the lights down there's still going to be a lot of
spillover that would come out and if there'd be a way to shade that at
night to prevent that spillover from that. I would like at the SDP site development
permit stage for us to be able to see the parking study. I think that'd
be very interesting, as well as seeing the photometric study from the parking lot, for
the parking lot. And it brings up one thought on the north side of the
parking lot, especially giving this change if it gets changed from the single
family estates to a essentially a commercial zone the possibility of adding uh yes mike
may i just clarify on that So this is not a zoning change. This is
a change to the table of permitted land uses to allow assisted living, which in
our code is classified as residential. So I just want to be careful about the
notion of commercial, granted the classification. Okay, thank you. So my concern here is we've
put about a 36 stall parking lot just south of some residential property.
My recommendation would be to put some coniferous trees, some evergreen trees
at the north side of that parking lot to provide some year-round
buffering between the houses there and the parking lot itself. And
then I guess my final concern with the change in use would be, as it
was mentioned, I think the 6:00 a.m. backup beepers on a food delivery truck on
a Saturday morning would be one of my bigger concerns for neighbors. And that would
get towards, I think, the possibility of putting in some limits for commercial deliveries to
the building. It doesn't sound like that would be a problem anyway. No. That's all
I have. Again, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner. I would also
like to thank staff and the applicant and the members of the public who came
in tonight to share your opinions with us. I hope you've been satisfied with the
fact that we have already listened to you. I like the application.
I appreciate the work that's gone into it. I think it
is an appropriate use of that site. We expect drainage in
particular and all issues environmental concerned with the development of that
site to be meticulously addressed. It's been noted in the public
comment that this is a a natural site with a lot of
wildlife there there has been a lot of money spent by the city and the
county and the state actually in this area has been noted to improve wildlife presence
and movement and if the funding is appropriated that's going to continue so this is
a very unusually sensitive area and you have the opportunity to go in
there and do your facility and I guess the best case scenario would
be to not have any negative impact on the critters that live there
and rely on that. The elevations that have been presented to
us, the materials and everything, I agree with my fellow commissioners are great.
I just have one thing that we note usually on the northwest elevation,
on exterior elevation, the illustration A4, there is a large, part of
that elevation that has no windows. It's just a wall.
And it looks like there might be a delivery dock
there or a garage door or some supply thing there.
but that would also be an opportunity to modulate that
blank wall. And since it is northwest, it would be
visible from off the site. So that is usually a
pretty significant concern for the development commission to get modulation
on blank walls. My understanding, Mike is that they are
this application as it stands now will be significantly under the amount
of impervious surface that they could put in there. So that and
I believe you sir mentioned that you're going to use pervious pavement.
Okay, that's that's particularly good. I mean you The development that's going
in now in Issaquah really has an opportunity to kind of set the pace to
look at new ways of doing things as we go forward and as we have
less and less space and more and more of a challenge to have the development
that is coming have as little of an environmental impact as possible. It's particularly nice
for me to see that this is a lot less impervious surface than could have
been the case. So I think I look forward to seeing the next presentation. I
think you've done a good job. It will be an interesting thing to follow through
and we'll trust you to do the right thing along with the staff. Thank you.
Thank you for having us. thank you folks is there
anything else on this one all right if that said we
will close the community conference thank you gentlemen we'll close the
community conference uh c o m one five dash zero zero
zero zero two and uh i guess we'll just go right
straight into the next community conference uh with uh the staff
presentation on the lakeside industries
Call up the next slideshow
here. I had it up.
All right, there it is.
This isn't your first time,
is it? No, it's not.
Sounds a little bit nervous.
I'll make it look that
way. I'm sure I will.
I usually do. So let's
get started. Good evening. So this is community conference number
two. It's a request for Lakeside Industries rezone and a code amendment. The
unique thing, well, I'll just get going here. So we know what the
purpose of a community conference is. You all know what the purpose is
to generate general ideas, input, and and discussion as we move through the
public process towards adoption possible of the request. So it's a unique request to
come before the Development Commission. Normally this commission looks at physical development of projects.
In this case, the request that brings us here is for the rezone of
property from the mineral zone to the intensive commercial zone. and in looking
at our code we both the applicant and the staff notice that it it does
say a rezone initiated by an applicant requires a community conference in the public process
and after this then goes off to the planning policy commission which normally looks at
policy issues and makes a recommendation to the city council so we're at step one
of the public process and We don't have any development plans for
you to comment on tonight, but you can if you wish. Where
is it? It's the lower part of the Lakeside Industries property, the
gravel pit that we've all seen as you drive east on I-90.
There's the mouse. It incorporates three separate parts that are separated by
two public right-of-ways. right off of East Lake Sammamish Parkway and here's the
front and I-90 interchange. This is 229th Avenue coming off of East Lake Sammamish
Parkway that heads up towards an old, kind of the old Vaughn Hill right
of way. And that's why we have that separation to, where did my mouse
go? There it is. A triangular piece, the main valley floor operations element of
the site. And then a tiny triangle down separated by First Avenue as
a person drives south towards the RV park and the shop site. So
that's the site we're looking at. Lakeside Industries incorporates this property as well
as the eastern part that heads up the hill towards the Highlands. And
that is governed by a development agreement that was approved and worked through
council in January 2013. So that's not under consideration tonight. That has its
own urban village zoning. It's this kind of, I don't know if it's a remnant
part, but it's the other part that we're here to get tonight. So again, this
is in your packet, kind of a site survey that shows some of the elements
of the property we're looking at. Again, the roads, the right-of-ways that separate the pieces,
and then the North Fork of Issaquah Creek. kind of parallels 229th as
it comes down the hill. So some background, I think as we all know,
Lakeside has been in operation for several decades, mining this property and doing asphalt
and concrete production. I mentioned the development agreement. And on page five of the
development agreement kind of sets the stage for why we're here tonight. There's a
section at the bottom here that says, It was envisioned that because it's
environmentally and economically beneficial to have such an in-city operation as such as this,
Lakeside and the city did agree that asphalt concrete production and the recycling of
the same are compatible adjacent uses to the project, which was the development agreement,
as I understand, right, the project. It's also, I'd say, compatible to the adjacent
kind of intensive commercial uses in that whole neighborhood there. So it
was understood that continuing these activities is beneficial and that we would work together
to go through the process we're going through tonight, beginning tonight. So that leads
to two requests that are coming. One is to rezone the property from M
to IC And the second is to amend the IC code to
allow one use that's not already permitted, which is to allow the existing operation
that happens there today, the asphalt, concrete, mixing, and recycling, to continue as an
outright permitted use on the property. Today it's allowed in the M zone as
accessory to the mining use, but only as accessory to that use. And someday
mining will likely cease here, so... this would allow that other use
to continue. So now we get into the various elements of zoning
and the purposes. So here's a summary out of the code of
what's the purpose of the mineral zone to provide for extraction and
processing of soil resources. The IC zone allows a variety of many
different commercial uses, including intensive commercial uses. I was kind of interested
to find the second point down here that our code does say intensive commercial services
which may have negative impacts. So we just kind of say, yes, they're intensive, they
have impacts, and we should locate them where there may be negative impacts that other
neighbors might not have as much of a problem with versus less compatible nearby zones.
Here's a map, thank you, that the applicant provided in your packet. Kind
of show graphically the zones that surround. So here's the urban village zone
heading up the hill. That's the development agreement area where future urban development
will happen as it shifts from mining over the many years to more
urban commercial and residential uses. And then existing IC zoning is in the
diagonal hatch kind of surrounding the east side or the west side of the
property. So on the other side of First Avenue and 229th here is existing intensive
commercial uses. And so this area you see here would kind of merge into that.
The land use code has a list of 10 criteria that are summarized on the
screen here. I'm not going to go through every one of them. I can highlight
a couple. Number three talks about growth controls, and it's spelled out in
your packet, but that focuses on housing and say we should not rezone
for more housing unless we're not meeting our housing targets. This IC zone
continues to not permit housing, so that's, I'd say, not an issue here
tonight. kind of talked about no detriment to adjacent properties. You know, this is a
public meeting, so we'd like to hear if there are negative impacts. We're thinking it's
a So far a fairly good idea to follow through on the proposal we're hearing.
Environmental impacts need to be evaluated through the process, so a SEPA checklist will be,
environmental checklist will be submitted. And environmental documentation did happen with the Lakeside Development Agreement.
So to the extent we can use that information to inform us here, we'll do
that. That's a summary of kind of the rezoned criteria. The Code Amendment proposal I
mentioned already is It's recognized that only the existing operation or
any operation that was established prior to October, August 2, 1999
can continue using. So this would not allow the wholesale expansion
of these operations throughout all IC zones in the city. The
criteria for code amendment are fairly general, but they give us
guidance. And the next steps I've
kind of already summarized. We're here tonight. We're going to review tonight's comments and
the SEPA checklist and any other comments and prepare those for recommendation to the
July 9th Planning Policy Commission in a couple weeks. And it will likely be
that this will take a little hiatus through the August summer month and reappear
in front of council in the early fall for a decision.
There you have it. All right. Thank you, Dave. Is there
somebody from the applicant that wishes to make a presentation? If
you would, state your name and business address, please.
yes good evening my name is john hempelman at karen cross and hempelman and i
am counsel for lakeside industries let me just say it's good to be back with
you again of course i know a number of you from the almost year we
spent with you in 2012 as we went through the lakeside development agreement for the
eventual urban village on the hillside i'd like to talk about that at kind of
that Italian village that's going to show up on the hillside once the mining is
done. As Dave said, the reason that we're here is to complete
the commitment that was made by the city and Lakeside Industries in
the development agreement of January of 2013 to pursue a zone change
and a code amendment to allow the existing processing operations on the
floor of the valley below the hillside to continue. The city is
found that those asphalt and concrete processing and production facilities are very, very important
to the city and the region. And the parties want to make sure that
can continue when the mining stops on the hillside. As Dave said, mining, mineral
production and recycling is an accessory use to a mineral use. And we've already
changed the zoning of the hillside from mineral to urban village. And ultimately
the mining is going to stop and the reclamation of the hillside and the development
of the hillside will occur. But everybody's objective is that the processing will continue for
a long time. I'm going to have Karen Deal, who is the Environmental and Land
Use Director for Lakeside, and Bill Dempsey, who is the Operations Director for all of
the Lakeside facilities, the western part of the state, Oregon, even BC. They'll come up
and just tell you a little bit about the operations. Some of you may have
gone out. We had a number of visits to the site out there when we
were here in 2012. So some of you may have been out there and seen
all of this, but you know, it's behind the trees. You don't go out there
very often. So Bill has a couple exhibits that will show you what's going on
out there. As Dave said, what we're doing is going through a proposed change of
zone from a mineral resource zone on this flat area of the processing area to
intensive commercial. Pretty easy to pick that because the comp plan designation is
already commercial over the lakeside site. The property to the south and to
the west is already zoned intensive commercial. In fact, some of the lakeside
property that's in the processing area is already zoned intensive commercial. So it
was pretty easy to pick that zone and it clearly is compatible with
the operations. So we need to change the zone from mineral
to intensive commercial, but intensive commercial does not right now allow
asphalt, concrete production and recycling. So the other part of this
proposal is to amend the table of uses allowed in the
IC zone to allow continuation of asphalt and concrete production and
recycling that has been in place since 1999. That's the way the
code is currently written. In fact, Dave said it's been in operation for
several decades, and I will add, and then several more decades and several
more decades because Lakeside's predecessor actually acquired this in the 1960s. So it's
been 55, 60 years in operation. It's going to be in operation 20,
30, 40 more years. The key for you to understand is while the
zone is going to change, the uses are not going to change. These are
very, very important production facilities for everything we do in our urban area, the
production of the asphalt and the concrete. I mean, it's for Issaquah roads, state
highways, it's for fish hatcheries, it's for parking lots, it's for driveways. It's
everything that you can think of that goes in to the demand for concrete
and asphalt. And importantly, Lakeside is a major recycle, recycler of old asphalt that
is torn up off the roads, old concrete that is torn off the roads,
which would otherwise be put into landfills. Lakeside takes it out there and crushes
it, and they put it back into the new asphalt. And Cadman is
out there as a lessee on that property doing the concrete production.
And so from a sustainability perspective, it's a wonderful set of uses
which will not change. It's pretty unusual that we can come before
the Development Commission and there's no development. This is a community conference.
You know, they'll continue to improve their crushers and improve the plant efficiency
and reduce the emissions as they do, but there's no new development. It's
a continuation of the uses. But under the municipal code, under the level
six processing, it says that a rezone of this type that does not
require a comprehensive plant amendment should have a community conference before the development commission.
So I'm hoping that we're making your evening, the end of your evening, a little
more interesting because you're doing something maybe you've never done before. We've never done it
before. So we're all learning together. So that's the background of this. We've committed to
change the zone. We're committing, we're moving forward on that commitment. but nothing changes
we just want to assure that we stay legal in in the
city of issaquah because lakeside's been here a long time they want
to stay here a long time so with that um bilk you
want to plug in your stick and show them or karen this
is karen karen deal from lakeside industries and she's the environmental manager
All right. Do you actually have connection to the internet?
I mean, that's another option if this doesn't work. The
King County IMAP is pretty effective. Open. All right. Well,
let's see if this works. Well, if it's not large
enough, we can zoom in on the internet a lot
better. But well, let's go for it. OK. All right.
Well, I'm going to turn it over to Bill Dempsey. He's going to talk to
you about what we do out at the facility, the processing area. And there's a
couple of distinct processing areas that have the cloud bubble around them. This is just
a-- and I'll be able to scroll down. This is just a PDF I pulled
off of King County IMAP zooming in on the larger picture you saw earlier from
Dave. So you want to go ahead and take over there? Sure. I'm Bill Dempsey.
I'm the production manager. And my address of business is right around in here over
at the pit. So I noticed you asked for it. and I've been at Lakeside
for 35 years and this pit's quite a bit older than I am, so it
has been a couple years. But if I go through this too quick, it's because
it's something I deal with every day, and so if you want to stop me
and ask questions about our process, feel free. Right, I'll start with the mine. This
doesn't show the mine. The mine is back off the screen, but this is a
belt that comes in with It's coming in here and we take the gravel
and split it into two sizes. This is your inch and a half minus, which
includes your sand and round rock. This would be your bigger rocks. And so the
bigger rocks go through the crusher and go through all, this is all the crusher
right here. And it, gets separated into sizes, and I'll talk about
where that goes. The other smaller rock comes in, and we take it over
to what's called the wash plant and that is what gives your clean aggregates we
wash the aggregates with water and shaking them on a screen and when you're making
concrete or you want pea gravel that's where you get you have to wash that
kind of gravel and it's not crushed that's just a screening and washing operation and
if you look at These belts right here, those go to a tunnel
feeder that services Cadman's batch plant, which they turn on these tunnel feeders
so the loader really doesn't have to touch it, and it goes over
and makes concrete right here. Different blends. They get different blends and different
ratios of gravel. The crushed rock, if we don't sell it as crushed
rock, we put it into our asphalt plant, which the loader runs around in
this area and puts it in these feeders. Rock comes up, goes through the
dryer, mixes with oil, comes up to these silos right here, and the trucks
come under the silos and load the asphalt out and drive away. Up here
is our recycle pile of broken and ground up asphalt. and it gets
put into the crusher right here and stockpiled right around here and we
do haul it in a haul truck down around and stockpile it here.
It gets put into this feeder and gets blended in at a ratio
of 20 to 25% of asphalt. So if we're making 100,000 tons of
asphalt, we're putting in about 25,000 tons of recycled material. When you wash,
gravel, you end up with mud. Everybody knows there's mud in the gravel unless you've
got a really special gravel pit. And since we don't have settling ponds anymore, which
used to be all over lower part of Issaquah that they pump mud to, but
now we have what's called a mud recovery facility here. It dries it out to
about 46% moisture, so you can make a good mud ball
and throw it against the wall and it sticks. But that mud
is not used for anything. It's too moist. And so we haul
it off to North Bend, to Cadman's fill site out by Truck
Town. Down here, we've got our warehouse, which just houses We
service our asphalt plants. We've got 18 asphalt plants throughout the state and as
John says, Oregon and Idaho. And this is spare parts and this is our
maintenance facility right here. So, and you see these ponds here, this is our
water recovery and we directed, I don't know if it's on the, it's not
on this slide, but we directed up to an infiltration pond up at the
very top. So... That's about it for the extent
of how we operate there. Is there any questions about it?
We'll have an opportunity to ask when we go around. Oh,
okay. That's it? So, Bill or Karen, can you just confirm
that you don't anticipate any change of use of this facility
in the foreseeable future? We really don't. We've been operating like
this... If we do anything, it would be make it a more efficient
asphalt plant, which it is really efficient right now. And we have added, not
added, but replaced some of the older crushers, which used to be very labor-intensive
to adjust, and now it's adjusted just like with a mouse click. So the
uses stay the same, even though the equipment might be updated from time to
time? Updated equipment. Okay. Carol, anything to add? No, that's it. The use will
stay the same. But we need to change the zoning. All right. So that's the
presentation. All right. Thank you, sir. So now we'll go to if there's any member
of the public that wants to speak, make an observation. If you do, I don't
know if you're with the public or not, but if you do, if you'd sign
in just to get on the record, and then if you care to speak. you
can come up to the mic if not let's get your call all right in
that case we will go to the individual commissioners again who can uh if they
have if you have any uh need for clarification uh this is the time to
ask questions and then we'll once we're finished with the clarification cycle we'll go back
and make our individual observations uh is there any lifespan for the mine i'm just
It's more just general information. - Yes. As part of the development agreement,
we produced a updated grading and reclamation plan. It's anticipated that the hillside
will be mined out and reclaimed over a 20 to 30 year period.
It could be sooner, it could be longer, just depending on the demand
for the material. And then the availability of the material to reclaim the
hillside. there's a very very elaborate plan to reclaim the hillside so in
the end it can be built on at slopes that are something less than
an italian hillside village so because it's very steep it is some of it's
very steep and you know when you mine it it gets even steeper and
then that has to they'll accept fill it'll be engineered fill very carefully placed
obviously from the bottom up to fill that hillside to, at the top up by
the highlands, some of you may remember this from the work in 2012, it'll be
at about a 5% grade, and then it goes down to about a 10% grade,
and then at the bottom, between the hillside village and the processing area, it will
be steeper to kind of provide a buffer between the mine, the processing area, and
the hillside. So could be 20 to 25 years of mining on this site
I say mining and reclamation, that they will be able to do some of it
simultaneously. I'm curious about the water. What properties is that, the water in the retention
pond? Is it any toxicity or anything like that? Oh, no, we're talking about stormwater.
I mean, we're just talking about stormwater that comes in contact with the-- Could you
identify yourself just every time there's a new speaker? Every time, okay, yes. Karen Dill,
Lakeside Industries, Environmental and Land Use Director. So the stormwater is collected on site. That's
what the stormwater detention ponds are there for, is to just flow control and for
infiltration. And then again, there's that pond there. It's pumped up to some infiltration ponds
for further infiltration on site. So in any process water that is used, we do
have some process water. Concrete batch plant operations does create some process water, and that
is controlled. There's some pH associated with it because you're looking at a little bit
of lime in there, making concrete, and there's CO2 sparging to reduce the pH down
to neutral. So that's the control that's required for that. We do operate under the
sand and gravel general permit that's issued by the Department of Ecology. We're in full
compliance with that permit. It's being renewed this year by Ecology. We'll be reissued another
new permit again at the end of the year. Hopefully we'll get one put together
by October. But again, we continually operate under that sand and gravel general permit. Is
that a yearly permit? No, it's a permit that is good for five years, and
every five years that gives Ecology an opportunity to review that permit and implement additional
controls if they see any. If new technologies come out, if new information comes out,
scientific information, then they implement that into standards in that permit. And all we do
is we just reapply for the permit every five years and reissue the permit. okay
thanks that that's all i had right thank you hicks well this uh this
is certainly uh new to me the this uh um zoning at this at
the same time you're you're using this for for mining so i appreciate your
indulgence with with my questions which uh because i need some education i think
um so i think my first question is for staff um and i know
you you talked about this a little bit but but please refresh my memory and
help me with this um because you you mentioned that there wouldn't be any more
mining and in isaac um but does changing the ic zone set a precedent um
or could it possibly set a precedent for making something like this
happen in the future with another piece of property? Does this affect
other properties or just this particular property? Well, the code amendment would
allow the processing of these concrete and asphalt in the IC zone,
which encompasses many properties, more than just this property. However, the request
would be to acknowledge only projects that currently operate would only
be allowed to have that use. So there aren't any others that I'm
aware of. And would they have to be in continuation since August 2nd,
1999? Yes. Yes. Okay. And there is no other concrete asphalt recycling facility
in the city. So if the code amendment limits the IC zone to
continuation of what's been in effect since 1999, this would be
the only IC site where you could do the processing. Okay. So
it would be, it's a very, there would be no precedent for
this in any other part of the IC zone. Okay. That's correct.
Thank you. So the goal in changing this to, to, uh,
I see. Intensive commercial. Thank you. So the goal in changing to an intensive
commercial would be for some time in the future. So can you just tell
me why you want this done now? The City Council thought it should be
done now and so did Lakeside since the Council, many of the Council members
of course are still the Council members that dealt with the Hillside Development Agreement.
Some of you. remember that back from 2012. Staff is familiar with this
and they thought it has to be done and we shouldn't have an orphan
zone and an orphan use. So the appropriate time to do it was as
promptly as possible after the approval of the development agreement. I see. We've already
waited about a year and a half just purely out of consideration for
staff resources and commission and city council commitment to other projects. We didn't want this
to wait for four or five years and the city didn't either. So we're, you
know, we're doing it now because everybody is familiar with all of these issues. I
see. Thank you. Commissioner Solla? I thought it was a good presentation. It made sense.
And it looks like it's redeeming a responsibility that was identified in the development agreement
in the first place. So it's time to move on. thank you
commissioner long yes thank you mr chair um bill i appreciate your being around
for 35 years you know you got gray hair and i've been here 33
years in issaquah i'm losing hair but the question that i have you you
threw up a name cadman and we've seen cadman trucks running around the city
how what's the organization between cadman and lakeside they won entity -
Say Bill. - Bill Dempsey with Lakeside. No, what Cadman,
Years ago it was Lakeside Sand and Gravel there and it was owned by
the sisters of the brother that owns Lakeside Industries. And so when we bought
the pit back from the sisters, we didn't want to go back in the
concrete business. Who's we? Lakeside Industries. Oh, okay. So we sold Lakeside Sand and
Gravel's concrete plant to Cadman. Cadman Sand and Gravel. So they now lease,
I think it's five acres, five acres from us and they operate. They
buy gravel from us to make concrete. They lease space and they just
operate in our facility. Actually, it's a good relationship. They actually rent half
of our shop too. Okay, thank you. The other question I have
is where's the closest plant? Is it quite you said it's the only
one obviously we all know that so the next closest plant around the
Puget Sound area Where would that be? Maybe in Redmond Watson asphalt Redmond
Washington down the lake and the south end is there any south end
we would be going down to Covington or all the way down to
Auburn. And there's two in Seattle. We've got one in Fremont, and then
there's one in South Park that's owned by Icon Materials. Yeah, this is
very educational to me. You know, what's interesting is that if you go
out into Ballard, or if you go up the Ship Canal, you know,
there's quite a bit of industry there between the Fremont Bridge and... almost
all the way out to the locks, the government locks. I was surprised
years ago to learn that there is an asphalt plant, a lakeside asphalt
plant right there in Fremont. People always asked us about compatibility, you know,
of asphalt or concrete production with residential or other uses. I mean, the
Fred Meyer is there now. There are houses across the street. It really
surprised me that The plant just operates in the middle of other uses.
And Karen can tell you about out in Monroe where they've got a plant, you
know, they're like next to a shopping mall and a theater. And it's just that
they're they're clean and they're remarkably relatively quiet and I guess
most people appreciate the need to have this stuff located in the
urban areas just so the trucks aren't hauling great long distances from
the plants to the end uses. So it's been educational for me.
I suppose when we do the city council phase, we might have another site visit.
A lot of people like to go out there and actually see it because it's
kind of behind the trees there and you don't normally see it. So we've had
a number of trips out there and it's very interesting. That's a long answer to
your question. No, that's fine. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Morgan? i wish
i could think of some questions that the planning policy might ask or city council
might ask in order to prep you for it but i can't think of any
right now so thank you thank you sir um i have just a couple of
quick ones where where is the uh origin relative to this where is the origin
of the north fork of issaquah creek karen do you know it's probably easier to
show in another if you if you do have something that shows the the location
i'd appreciate it Yeah, well, basically off of
Black Nugget Road, let's see, Ariel of, all right. So this
is depicting North Fork of Issaquah Creek. If you can see
the blue line with the hand moving there. All right, and
it runs down through here. Okay. All right. So from further
up along. Mel's using the old-fashioned way, looking at the paper. There you go.
Jump, jump high. And this here is the processing area that we're showing in the
close-up. It looks, on that, with the color coding on that of the actual photograph,
it looks like it's the creek when it goes through there is, is there any
buffering at all once it gets onto your property? It looks kind of like... there
is buffering along the creek as it's on the property through here
okay do you get any uh any salmon up there at all
you know we do i personally haven't seen them myself but i'm
yeah okay um thank you actually has a deal with uh fish
and wildlife where they at appropriate times will discharge treated water
into the North Fork to maintain the water flow. And Lakeside has also
done a lot of planting, a lot of rehab of the North Fork
from the property all the way south to Lake Sammamish. So they've been
a good partner with Fish and Wildlife to try to maintain that habitat.
Thank you. Dave, my next question is for you. Without getting into
Webster's use of anachronism these days, negative impact? Yes. Give us a couple
of examples of when you were saying that there's this phrase, and I
forget, actually I didn't write it down, but it was in the city.
I mean, is it... Anything that would be, I mean, what exactly? Is it
in the eye of the beholder? Well, I guess to say it doesn't go further
in our code to say examples. Would that ultimately be determined by the council and
the mayor? I mean, if there were a challenge on the basis of something not
this, I'm not indicating that. But it's an interesting, because it's such a loaded phrase
that I just... I think we'd look at other policies in the comp plan
and the code to give us direction of what are negative impacts. They're identified. They're
referred to that. It's maybe common knowledge there's noise, glare, traffic, things that we've
addressed earlier this year. The things that we always address when we look at
developments. Okay. Negative impacts. I do have one more question and that is again
for the environmental, on the environmental thing, the water, after it's washed, after the
water is used to wash the aggregate from what I understand or the gravel,
it's pumped, it's not settled anymore. It doesn't go into settlement ponds, but I understand
that ultimately it's pumped up to a recharge site at the top of the hill?
- There's a couple of things that are done. One aspect of it is it
is recycled, and I can give that to Bill where he talks about how the
water is actually recycled in the washing process. And then any extra water that we
have in the process does get pumped up to additional settling ponds. - That's it,
that's fine. I just wanted to be clear on that. All right, at this
point, one more. The question that I have is that why are
we rezoning just part of the mining area and not the whole
thing? The rest of it has already been rezoned. Oh, it has.
The entire mine hillside was changed in January of 2013 to an
urban village. So this is all of the remaining lakeside property.
And maybe I should ask this dumb question. Why was it not
done back then? Because the process was just for the development agreement
and the development agreement was changing the uses of the hillside in
the future from mining to urban village, residential and commercial. And we
all agreed, the city and Lakeside all agreed that we would where
we were focusing on the area that would be redeveloped with new uses in
the future that should be the focus and that this secondary issue of continuation
of the existing uses was something we should come back to an address later
and that's actually in the development agreement that decision was made by the
city council on lakeside and approved by both parties as a contract to come
back and finish this piece because it's no change of use thank you questions
clarifications i'm going to ask a question of you and you david do we
need uh do we need a motion to uh i know this is a
community conference obviously but but what So you just need the recommend the recommendations
of the individual council observations. We don't need a motion on this. Okay. So with
that said, if you'd care to express your final opinion based on the presentation, that's
the presentations that have been given to us tonight. We'll just go around the around
the horn once more one more time. Commissioner Gaither. Okay. Thank you very much. Lakeside.
For me, it was very educational. It seems like you're a great partner
with the city and all of us here and provide an important service. And
as I understand this, this is sort of an IOU coming back. We are
now at later, and we're taking that step. So I don't have any problems
with what you brought forward. Thank you, sir. Yes, thank you. This was
a wonderful presentation and I appreciate all of the details and the mapping
and I have learned a lot tonight and I look forward to working
on this in the future. Thank you. Commissioner Schell? I'm good. Good job.
Thank you. Commissioner Lalz? Again, I share the sentiment of the other commissioner
and I'd like to add the city staff for preparing this presentation.
Again, it's very educational. When we moved into Issaquah
33 years ago, all that we can see is
that lakeside, And now it's still there and you've always been an
icon as Issaquah and triple X was the other one too, but You're always
there way up there looking down at us, but anyway, I'm glad that we're
finalizing this, you know completing this this task to to convert that into IC
and thank you for the presentation Mr. Morgan. Yes. Thank you very much. Thank
for the presentation especially Mr. Faber, who once again did a great job. And
I would like to provide, I guess, some thoughts on this. In my mind, the
10 items that are covered that were necessary, to me, there are four that are
the most important. Number four, the rezone is warranted because the proposed zoning in the
district is appropriate for reasonable development of the subject property, and I would agree with
that. Number five, the subject property is suitable for development in general conformance with zoning
standards under the proposed zoning district, and I would agree with that. Number six, the
rezone will not be materially detrimental to uses or property in the immediate vicinity of
the subject property, and I'd agree with that. And number seven, the rezone request is
consistent with the comprehensive plan, and I'd agree with that. on those main points and
the others well i think you've met all of those and so it sounds like
the reason is certainly appropriate i agree that it seems to me that that they
request is absolutely appropriate uh... and i think it sets a good precedent or even
though this is a unique facility in the in the city of this aqua it
still uh... sets it to me a very good precedent on how to deal with
something like this the city being in transition as it is from what essentially when
I moved here, not quite as long ago as Ray, but then the majority of
the city was blue collar workers in various trades. And so I think it's a
very appropriate way for us to keep this kind of facility in the city and
have it in full compliance with the code and all the work that's being done
by the city to accommodate growth that we're going to see, we are seeing and
we're going to see. So I completely support this as well. Okay, thank you. all
right thank you for your presentation all right thanks uh is there any other business
before we adjourn hey if you have anything we should know any locomotives coming down
the track that we uh need it i don't i'm sorry all right all right
fine well thank you very much my fellow commissioners for coming in tonight and with
that we will adjourn the meeting