good evening and welcome to the council committee work session for Monday October 22nd this is the first of the much-discussed long anticipated excited budget 2019 budget deliberation conversations we have three hours scheduled for this evening we will be taking public comment but because this is all sort of one big presentation I am gonna take public comment at the end so that's when that's when we will be taking public comment this evening so with that I am going to turn it over to City Administrator moon thank you happy to be here tonight was so excited about talking about revenue that I just jumped in on roofs public hearing earlier to get right to the big stuff we have two presentations that we're gonna walk through tonight the first is just to give some background on council responsibilities are intense on what we're going to present set the set the table so to speak this is our high-level schedule this is the schedule that was presented in the budget and brief document which is posted online remind council that are more detailed schedule was given to you on October 1st and it attempts to lay out topics and tentative if anticipated way for each evening so you have a little bit more of that information our ultimate goal is of course we need to adopt the budget by December 31st I also wanted to point out on this slide that on November 5th where it says first public hearing on preliminary budget that we also anticipate will include a moment in time where we bring forward the salary ordinance which will describe the classifications and salary ranges and we'd anticipate perhaps taking adoption on that at the same date as the final budget December 3rd so a state law describes what we need to give to you in the public in terms of a budget on the revenue side we need to provide actuals from the prior complete year that's 2017 we need to provide year an estimate for the current year we're in estimate for 2019 what we're anticipating for revenues and we need to more specifically include the ad valorem and we reported on that earlier this evening and also the unencumbered fund balance on the expenditure side we are required by state law to give you totals for each fund and every department within each fund and that data is to include again actuals revised adopted budget for the current year and the proposed 2019 budget I mentioned we also have to give you the salary or range of costs for each classification and a budget message which the mayor delivered on last week [Applause] your key Birds that's gonna get me all night long state law also describes the final budget as final form budget and that style of budget needs to show the estimated revenue and appropriations for each separate fund and the aggregate total the total city budget it includes all funds and then at a high level it describes the authority of the council as being to approve the total amount appropriated for each fund and that that's what constitutes approved expenditures and that's with regard without regard to the individual items that are within and so that's the language that we're we often talk about when we say that you have authority at the fun level another term that we use often yes I'm sorry to interrupt could you please go back so the total amount appropriated for each fund constitutes the approved expenditures without regard to the individual items contained therein I want to make sure I understand the intent of that comment I've always viewed this as as there's really multiple components to the budget of course there is what you talked about here in the appropriations per fund then and of course we canĂ¡-- summarize that in one page yes but our budget documents are 190 pages correct and there is a lot of background information but there's also there's also there's workplane information just staffing information there are capital projects in there and outside of the fund balance appropriations I've always viewed all of these other elements and many that I didn't mention as as as as policy budget policy and and so though there's a technicality that we only approve an appropriation at the fun level but in essence though we are also adopting quite a bit of policy absolutely absolutely and and again this is just what the state law says in this section on the budget there are other that require you to to actually approve of different kinds of expenditures you know land transactions those sorts of things so there's other state laws of reference individual Authority and appropriations so this was overly simplified and having said that yes we still provide you with a whole lot more information because we know in order to make good decisions in the macro you need to also understand the bits and pieces that comprise the whole and it sets direction for the city and our delivery of services absolutely so a couple terms if we talk about a balanced budget there's a couple ways state defines this term per state law it's when appropriations are limited to the total estimated revenues including the unencumbered fund balance so it says you may use savings from prior years and if you do it still constitutes a balanced budget however what we aim to develop every year is what we would call a structurally balanced budget and that is also defined in state statute and it's when all of our ongoing expenses are met by recurring revenues so we don't rely on fund balance still we have opportunities to use fund balance for one-time appropriations and that is an absolutely fine way to fund many one-time items and state law says you should conduct a couple hearings three hearings actually and establish our property rate prove those salary ranges and classifications and adopt that final form budget however because it is policy based as well we have desired actions that we usually take you through every budget season these are the desired actions from the point of view of mayor and city administration so the first is we like to review in depth estimated revenues this plans for the funds and departments we like to highlight the major changes because we looked at every little detail the budget there's changes in multiple places and we have a policy question in front of you in this budget and that's what the operational model should be for the senior center going forward we're going to talk about that in a later budget work session as well as the 2019 capital projects we have some unfunded projects we have some projects that are planned for year one in our CIP which will now be 2019 and the mayor and I have recommended an increase to the Hart's Housing Trust Fund contribution and I had said during budget deliberations we'd come back to that and have that conversation some other desired actions are to review the work plan we're going to cover items that are in it and some items that were left out this year we had a confined budget we had a limited amount of new revenue and that worst us to make some decisions about which projects we would pursue they're also asking to present the staffing needs that we have and asking for your support for our staffing recommendations we're looking to review the city gives funding that's Community Fund Human Services grants some other other ways in which we contribute to local nonprofits in particular and asking you to approve those recommendations we will discuss the possible use of general fund fund balance and this budget did not utilize any and we'll talk a little bit at the end about our 2019 plan to analyze some of the design of our funds move forward on more cost allocation and move funds in the direction of greater sustainability so overall this is our plan for the presentations going forward we're going to spend time on revenues we're going to review fund into Herman totals and I highlight the big things in the budget we're gonna talk about the mayor's people and tools strategy which was the framework for our budget development and talk about 2019 let's plan and how that fits with our long-range planning model and those areas that it appears are going to need more attention going forward into the next year so that's first presentation we're moving to the second one any questions so far they're questions should be a folder on the desktop okay so the second presentation that we're gonna make tonight is more meaty in terms of turning our attention to numbers and nope which one do I do close master view where's that uh oops back live master over on the right hand side there's a red there nope okay good thanks Lisa thank you okay and as Christina gets seated and the first thing that we're gonna do is talk a little bit about what's new and different this year in terms of our process and budget formats so I'm going to turn it over to Christina eller I'm Christina eller one of the financial operations managers I wanted to take a moment to walk you through what the budget process has look like Moon's going to look like this is a multi-step multi-year journey to improve the budget process we are looking at setting up a process with best practices policies and procedures that contribute to improve our government management part of that has included the department restructure which has aligned our accounting division the revenue division and budgeting division to better align with some of those services to enhance and utilize our expertise and it will allow us to better align with the strategic plan as that comes to completion early next year we've also implemented new software that's included the financial system and also in progress is our new budget development system West ouka and that will allow us in time to also align with our strategic plan and we'll be able to tie some of these new strategic initiatives along with the plan part of best practices has allowed us the opportunity opportunity to restructure our chart of accounts this has been a two-fold process what we started a few years ago with restructuring from a long account to a short account I believe that we went from 10 and accounts down to three we still in this last year went through another restructuring and that was to align with our reporting that is regulated by bars our state mandate that allows us to it's better reporting and we've been able to follow the federal and state requirements for cost allocation setting up for cost allocation and the accrual method of accounting was established three or four years ago we went from cash basis to accrual basis this new format in finance has given us the opportunity to have better perspective with long range planning to work more with the Finance Committee ad hoc committee long range planning it's been it allowed us time to comply with fiscal policy allow more interdepartmental collaboration and will allow us more engagement with with the departments but also with the community we've been able to adopt a five-year CIP and including the first two years in a biennial budget that's allowed us in this off year to do the chart of accounts and do some of that extra work we were able to work with IT to fund the IT this is the new internal server and internal service it's a new internal service fund for IT and develop the cost allocation plan and we'll further that development through we'll talk about it later in the workshops but with fleet and refined some of those allocations with other other areas part of what you'll see in this new process is a new document our previous historical documents have been very manual and although useful and we want to contribute and continue some of those informative pieces we're looking to use the the system have the departments utilize the system get the information out to them faster help with management decisions executive decisions and get that turnaround time a little faster and a little more deliberate a little more strategic in many ways so you'll see some of our standardization has included terminology we're talking about the preliminary budget which has had different forms and terms in the past like draft or proposed we've tried to simplify it it may not look like it's simplified but it is it's also allowing us as we go through this process we will have the opportunity to have what's called open book it's more interactive its outward facing and you can engage different levels of the community different levels of the organization so we're looking forward to that it also has a component of performance metrics performance management we're looking forward to that component and getting that in but you know as part of our normal city of Issaquah process it's giving us a different level of organizational reporting and feedback and it's giving us a process for review and part of that is here with counsel and the workshops and being being able to provide different levels of information to you so we look forward to this process and questions so far remember winter Stein I may be ahead of the game so I'm sure you'll tell me if I am at what point are you going to explain I'll use the multi org summary structure that's in the book preliminary budget document so reading we can talk about that a little bit would you like to do that that is part of was the long account went to a short account which is the org code it's basically I don't want to call it a costing center but it is an organizational component it there can be several organization codes in a department amar it's it's the difference between some our departments and some our funds themselves but it is based on funds there at that okay so the org summary is is will align and help align with a strategic plan so they should be standalone okay no I think I might know enough to understand that you change the chart of accounts the we have a cost Center and it sounds like you have a org component as well maybe that's another segment or not maybe it's within that how it so but this is now what's reflected in this reporting I can see that you've done the budget using that new structure yeah we don't even need to compare it against its we can't it's you can't and it go back and see the same level of information now into you know year-over-year comparison so I'm not asking that you make that possible but but I do we'll need as we go through this some help on help because last few years is the basis that we have and with this new structure and the way this data is now broken out we can't go we don't have a ready comparison to previous years at all this level I leave you have something pretty close so instead of looking at the pages that are marked org multiple org summary is a lovely descriptive header that cuesta chi gave us you can instead look at the budget expenditure Harrison summary which is organized in the same fashion that we have done before so you can look at city clerk city facilities there are if you go back further than 2017 actuals that we gave you then yes that will be a little bit more complicated and I'll give you an example of that we've renamed some functions in order to get them into sort of these cost allocation buckets but we can help show you a map for that but we've given you at least the ability to compare the 2018 budget and the 2017 actuals with what's proposed for 2019 okay so thank you so that's starting on page five titled the budget expenditure comparison summary and correct and and since you brought that up city of the V I don't know what you're going to call these departments slash funds but within these city facilities I'm going to list a couple of them off here and I can give them to you via email city facilities non-departmental emergency management streets and special revenue funds debt service capital projects internal service those don't map back to last year correct that's where you have different titles whether they combine some groups and some pieces emergency management for example was a division or indirect Public Works ops okay so so that that's the kind of help I'm going to ask okay if you've I recognize that there was some reorganization restructure recoding that was done we're seeing it all in the new structure but I need even at this summary level starting on page five right but as I tried to go back and I just pulled up last year's budget document yes many those organizations are there but this is clearly is a blend of as Christine mentioned some funds and some departments sure so what we could do is we could give you that we could map these new units to where they were budgeted before what may be more difficult for us is to take past year's budgets and then break them into these new parts and and I know that's very difficult to do when you've recoded Thanks so I'm mapping at this point is all I would ask for great thank you other questions right now thank you please proceed all right so tonight we're gonna focus on the general fund this is a year-end kind of snapshot showing what we have is the originally adopted budget and we brought forward a budget amendment amendment in August and that and then we asked departments to estimate where they're going to be at your end I will tell you that is their best guess we have some departments that do an excellent job at that guesswork and we have others that were growing their sophistication and helping to create those year-end estimates I tell you that because we we then utilize a snapshot like that to look at fund balance and fund balances it changes every day it's wholly dependent on what we are receiving in revenue and what we're expending and that does change over time so right now in this budget we are forecasting that our revenues are going to be better than expected and budgeted by 2.3 1 million dollars and our expenditures are going to be less than what we expected by four point four four million dollars I will tell you that four point four four is eight and a half percent on top of the is eight and a half percent of what the amended budget was for expenditures that's a fairly high return to fund balance in my book and again still a product of where departments believe they're going to end the year I expect that will change some can't say which way positive or negatively but we are going to go through an effort that's coming here to again get better at doing those estimations but also at looking at our expenditures throughout the year so that we're better able to understand what we may need to bring back to you in a budget amendment and what we may not need to and there were things in the August amendment that we held back because we could clearly see that we had the capacity to fund those things and so they weren't part of the budget amendments we're making progress if you look at the bottom chart there we started the year we I'm sorry in August during the retreat we had estimated the ending fund balance for 2018 to be sixteen point seven million dollars if you add on top of that the return to fund balance that we're anticipating now that would give us a beginning fund balance for 2019 of twenty-three point four six million dollars that is a multi unbalanced I'm sorry just to be clear that's kind of like a positive name so the four point five percent is an increase over expected revenue and this eight point five percent is a decrease in expenditures of what was expected right yes so they're both looking like positive numbers but they're kind of in a sense it's two different ends of the spectrum right correct it's actually the it's taking in the case of the four point four four it's taking the 52 million dollars that was amended budget and it's saying what percent spend that is returning to fun bounds and that's that's the eight point five right so we spent eight point five percent less than anticipated less we got more revenue four point five percent more than anticipated so that's where that six million dollars got to be a pretty big number because we're adding those together that's all I'm just trying to say so it doesn't look like they're both pluses are both minuses right no they don't balance each other out they actually crack to each other correct that's why the two point three and a four point four add up to six point seven five correct great thank you just clarify yeah we're gonna spend more time in a subsequent presentation on actually next Monday talking about the return to fund balance and we're gonna break that down for you a little bit more on the expenditure side what I can say about that two point three one return to fund balance on the revenue side it's largely from two places its property tax so increased valuations new construction additional value in there for additional tax that's coming to the city and sales and use tax so higher than expected sales and use tax revenue a little lesser extent coming from utility tax and building permanence this is just my graphic to illustrate that fund balance does change over time I wanted to give you just an example of this at the end of the budget season in 2016 as we were adopting the 2017 budget our beginning fund balance was 15 million dollars a year from that point we came back together and we're ready to adopt the 2018 budget and at that point we projected the 2017 ending fund balance 1.5 million dollars higher we had the retreat in August and we looked at 2017 actual fund balance and it was 18 million dollars and and so on and so this is just meant to illustrate that fund balance is on the move it's unmoving I think a good directions going up that's it shows the health of the city and our local economy but it's a snapshot in time it changes every time we take a look at it and do that math to look at expenditures and revenues so here's just a little bit more of that general fund return to fund balance broken down we look at the increased revenue I spoke about this already property tax sales and use one other pieces I didn't mentioned earlier was unanticipated grant revenue I think this was the result of a parks capital project that I believe probably was anticipated but not fully recorded within the budget at the time of adoption and so we were off by that and then on the under expenditures you can see that half of that came from position vacancies or as we filled positions if we hired a less experienced more junior person into a position where we had a retirement of a more senior person they may have started on the our pay scale at a at a lower place we also had professional services in our budget that we under expended that sometimes is because we got bids that were less we were able to do the project for less than we had thought or we didn't complete a project and that project either got done in-house or we may be asking for it to be reappropriation 2019 and we'll we'll talk about those projects in the next budget meeting I think comes from a raise so can I just get some clarification I don't need it tonight but at some point I can find the property tax change I can find the retail sales tax change I'm having a difficult time in the detail finding the unanticipated grant revenue and just like to be able to understand where that's coming from that would be very helpful thank you absolutely next I'm sorry another question from County Council deputy president patisserie thank you I just with the retail sales and use tax just having that be a little bit unexpected did you say that was sort of on the use tax side of things was there I was just wandering through it was any more information and we can examine that and see if we can get better detail I just have it is the whole category okay thank you it's procedure thank you okay so this is a breakdown of the entire budget by by fund sort of the same same information we've talked about with general fund and you can see the amended budget for each funds take water at the top there where we're projecting to end the year that's the variance and then on the right hand side you can see bfb is beginning fund balance so you can see where we started with the fun at the beginning of this budget year and then the projected increase or decrease to that fund balance based on revenues and expenditures throughout the year and also based on where we actually began 2018 year and fund balance as opposed to maybe just the adopted anticipated start of fund balance for that fund and then you can see how that results in the 2019 beginning fund balance which is shown in your preliminary budget times I'm never ray so just picking on water for just a second so if I'm reading this correctly and I'm not saying that I am we had one point seven five seven million dollars more in revenue than we anticipated and we had expenditures of $30,000 more than we anticipated how did we end up with a negative in projected increase or decrease I would think we'd have a positive yes again this is I think what we probably should have given you is the revised beginning fund balance for 2018 I think that's the difference that perhaps that twelve million dollars was the beginning fund balance where we were when we adopted the budget and where we're actually at now in the anticipated fund balance for that fund then you bring in those budget variances from revenue and expenditures and you arrive at the if you could just make the math foot for me somehow weekly so we can work on that sure and I appreciate this new format in terms of where the information is located and and I maybe my fellow council members would disagree but I personally would be easier if if increases in a fund positive to fund is positive and negative to fund is got parentheses of it just charity okay really really good yeah I think the the big takeaway is that column on that for our left of the amended budget it would probably be helpful for us to show you what the original adopted was because that's that's a piece that's kind of missing at this point of the story okay and then we've also given you the big macro views on these funds as well street operating which is largely funded through general fund type revenue sources and a couple more utility funds here sewer and stormwater you will see and some of these funds where we have an anticipated decrease to the fund balance will be coming back to those funds in your work session in Nova to talk about what that means long term some of these funds all the sewer and stormwater for example on this page are mixed operating in capital funds now you'll recall we combined those last year and so in some cases we're taking from fund balance in order to pre-fund projects on the capital side yeah I would be particularly interested when we have that conversation to understand to what extent we've been unable to execute our capital spend the way that that we hope to and what's going on with that and how it might look different in 2019 questions all right I'm moving from looking in the rearview mirror I'm looking forward to 2019 mayor's budget focus at the start of the budget was for us as staff to ensure that we could maintain service levels and quality of service and the direction was to limit new requests and the reason for that is because we're undertaking strategic plan right at this moment and we want to have that framework in mind before we start major initiatives new programs or service areas and so she she said this is a maintenance budget this is sort of a roll forward budget let's do what we're doing and let's do it as well as we can in 2019 but let's not take on major new things having said that mayor also became aware of needs needs in terms of additional staffing and additional resources for staff so she called it her people in tools focus and we'll talk more about that particularly next workshop but that was the framework that staff members used as we developed the budget we wanted to talk to you just a little bit about the tool or the people side of this framework and we wanted to share a little staffing history with you this is the reason why departments asked for certain number of positions and why the mayor chose to include some new staffing in her proposed budget this is only meant to illustrate history it's not meant to describe what should have been or what could have been and so illustrative only the trend line versus actual graph displays both the authorized FTE numbers for city staff and a projection based on historical data authorized up T's does not equate to the number that you might see in a budget we've taken a look and tried to combine in past years limited term employees so LTS with FTEs and you'll recall only a couple years ago we started breaking out LTS from FTEs in a way that you could track both pools historical data we took from city's budget documents 2005 to 2018 and that contained into some FTE data as far back as 1996 and you can go back and verify what really happened in each of those years this is budget data not actuals so the numbers from 1996 to 2009 were used to create a pre recession trend line where FTE growth averaged 3.6 percent a year over that 14-year span he then projected out that trend line until 2019 that's the dashed blue line to depict what the FTE population could have been without the Great Recession without without without you know lots of caveats there right actual FTE data from 2009 to 2010 is shown in red and it shows F T's that were authorized in nature's budget with an additional data point for what's proposed in 2019 so then I had if you look at those two trend lines had staffing trend continued post recession and that growth and staff would have been 26% during that time instead you can see that we responded to the Great Recession by reducing staff and have largely kept those staffing levels constant until just recently as we added back some positions and we are now roughly at where we were at that recession comes remember right so I know you said this and I just missed it so lt's or limited term positions we're not putting in this this calculation so some there's some level of staffing above the red line that is reflects the term limit folk right let me let me explain that a little bit differently better hopefully lt's have been included in the most recent years from let's say 2012 ish i believe we may not have LTS broken out in a way that was easy for us to pull that data having said that we have gone back and we've looked at some budget data that shows that it would have been only a handful of positions so we didn't have in 2000 let's say an extra 200 LTE's it would have just would have been a small number it would not have changed this trendline significantly don't remember winters time thank you this chart is interesting that it may tell a lot of different stories one way to understand the data a little bit better would be if we could see this data by Department reason because I think but if my memory serves me not all departments have scaled with city growth like others have for example I know for a fact that parks have stayed really flat for a long time has for a uni easy to look at parks and saying how are you keeping up with all these new properties that you have but other areas we've created new ones and we've done some shifting around but someone like but police has been one where we have incrementally have been adding resources over time so this is an aggregate story about headcount yep but I think the the story about our ability to scale our services to meet a growing community and where we're maybe falling behind and where we're maybe are up to date is more clear when we look at the department level sure and that's an excellent point it will also say as you mentioned we've added different divisions we've added different programs we've consolidated staff in different ways we've moved them across department lines as we've moved programmatic areas from one department to another that analysis is complex to get to apples to apples so that you could see those changes there are departments where it's easier Police Department is very very easy to look at historically and I think you make an excellent point of having just been selective about which departments we have added staff to in which departments we have maybe contracted and and you're right that's not up on this slide this was just meant to illustrate a total thank you for that but just so you know that that whereas I find this data interesting as one of the council members I look at that and say but I think the story lies elsewhere because I know things happen with DSD things happen with Public Works engineering and there's stories behind all of those and so what this doesn't do for me and I don't know I don't know if this was the intent or not but it's like hey we've been very conservative there has been growth we haven't kept pace from a staffing perspective I'm not saying you were intended this or not but it you know it's like okay here's kind of a we're setting things up for the ask that's in here I don't know but for me the better story is when we look at the department level so I'm not this the only thing that I would add to that is I'm I'm not aware and I have shorter tenure than you do but I'm not aware of departments that we have stopped doing are certain major services that we have stopped providing either I hear your point and if at some point as we do make that ask if there's a need to look at apples to apples staffing growth in a particular department or service area we can we can talk about providing that information we can go back I was remembering so the other thing that strikes me and this will just skew the numbers but did you factor out a site fire and rescue when we ended our fire department because we actually did in our fire department so and you see a dip in 99 that's correct yeah so I just want to make sure that we accounted for that too absolutely other questions right now all right thank you so next we're just gonna overlay that on on population as well and masoor story here in terms of population has grown 40 percent since that that same moment in time in the last decade and again staffing level has stayed roughly the same again this is just meant to illustrate that the trends on staffing against population growth and how that that ratio has not kept pace with population growth over that time but we can look at it at service levels and and toxic talk about units of service that were attempting to deliver in each group all right so departments are feeling that it's more difficult each year to keep up with service demands and that resulted in for all the years of my tenure here quite a few asks in the budget development process this year we had nearly or approximately 30 positions new positions that were requested during budget development we have significantly reduced that and what's shown in your preliminary budget those totaled nearly five million dollars of cost that is not what we ended up in the preliminary budget we're going to cover that in greater detail next Monday on the tools side of the people and tools framework for the budget there were 50 projects that were submitted these are all technology-based projects we certainly had other small equipment fleet requests as well and we reduced that so we started with a budget ask of over a million dollars and we are only able to afford a fraction of that and we'll talk more about that on the 29th as well so as we look to build the budget we do go back and take a look at what our long-term financial forecasts had to say about where we thought we would be in 2019 and this slide illustrates that the baseline scenario that we utilized in August for our financial retreat had estimated the total general fund revenue at fifty two point six million dollars and a use of fund balance as you can see from the preliminary budget were pretty close to what that financial forecast had estimated but between the different categories are slight differences and then we are not utilizing any fund balance in this preliminary budget on the expenditure side again a pretty similar picture baseline scenario had us at fifty two point eight million dollars and preliminary has this just a shade under that again a little bit of deviation in categories in particular some of our transfer categories like Street and capital projects are up and our other operating is the bulk of the budget it's all the staffing its supplies its services dollars this is the way that we showed it in the baseline scenario to model it and so that's the way is shown here we will be showing you the budget in greater detail and in different ways as we go forward other transfers in case you're wondering includes transfers to the sustainability fund unemployment fund and water utility fund for the Main Street tax program the other thing that we do is we develop the budget is we look back to our financial management policies and we do a little check to make sure that our proposed budget is meeting those policy targets or that we're identifying places where we are going to need to spend more time and effort to get in line with those policy targets so these are the big ones general fund balance target policy is that we have 15 to 20 percent of our expenditures and we are significantly over that as projected now you also have a financial management policy that our ongoing expenditures are funded by ongoing revenues and we've done that by not using fund balance in this preliminary budget next we have a goal around debt that we limited to one point five percent of the city's total assessed value and at the end of the last year and this is data that was presented to you at the financial retreat city had about eight million dollars of outstanding council Manek debt that's non voted debt and so therefore we have still 144 million dollars available in Cal sematic debt capacity having said that that's not necessarily sustainable not something that we can afford but we're meeting that target very easily and then we put one up here to be transparent about the fact that we do have some work to get in line with our financial management policies particularly as they relate to internal service funds the policy says that we shall have a reserve target but staff has not brought forward a suggestion for what those reserve targets should be and Council has not adopted a reserve level for those internal service funds in order to do that we also have some operating budget work to do in order to establish what capital replacement plans are going to look like and a few of these funds we give two examples here or the overall struck the fund or the cost allocation cost accounting between funds that sets up the structure for those funds so we have a bunch of work to do better budgeting in some of our smaller funds and in particular those funds that help us to keep our infrastructure going so I have a question around that so as I look at this a lot of this I think is great in terms of the kinds of things that we want to look at year over the the thing that is maybe missing or not missing I'm not sure when you talk about capital replacement I think I mean you mentioned IT and fleet I think back to former accounts remember share who was always talked about you know our our drain our drained play services right and the fact that at some point they're gonna have to be replaced and the mechanism you know yep to drive towards a goal of being able to say you know we are you know depreciating these assets by a certain amount each year and understanding where that is and that's the only piece of this that I think as a as a dashboard of wellness I that's the piece I feel like is missing so when you talk about capital depreciation you're talking about some very specific smaller fun things but I think there's also a conversation about things that are in the general fund or in some of the larger funds you agree sure and I think you're talking about the turf replacement that type of a large ongoing things that were wonderful that we put in but that we don't presently budget their replacements right right and so some of those were tackling through our capital budget others I'll explain these two a little bit better detail for example both IT in fleet cost allocations right now their budgets are built around the operating expenses for the next year so we look at in eyeties case what's the operating budget for our IT staff and for the repairs and maintenance work that we may need to do and the special projects for that year but if we look at PC replacement we have not fully built out a replacement plan that then adds an increment to every year's budget in order to make sure that we're keeping up with the replacement schedule we have periodically over the last few years put a chunk of cash into the budget in order to get caught up on replacements or to begin a fund but we we have an every year put aside the the right increment of money that we need to keep on pace with that the same is true with fleet replacement we have not done a robust replacement plan and where we're dealing with replacements on a annual basis you know what's due that year and can we afford it this year any other questions right now okay we also wanted to take a look at revenue overtime this is revenue per capita in 2018 dollars the source of this data is the annual financial statement from each year from 2003 to 2006 teen and for 2017 through 2019 data we use information from budget since we don't have certified annual reports yet for those years we provide this in the aggregate as opposed to individual department totals because we think that's that's a it's a simplified way to look at it to produce this actual curve we took the the revenue in each of those years and converted it to 2018 dollars we did that using the Consumer Price Index from Bureau of Labor Statistics for Seattle and we used the August 2018 CPI let's see what else so while our total revenues have grown over time the our population has also changed and that's what causes this curve to peak around 2004 when there were only about fifteen thousand five hundred people in Issaquah and today there are over 37,000 however one important takeaway from this graph is that the revenues per capita have been relatively flat from 2010 to 2013 19 projection uses the the budget data that we have in the preliminary budget but also factors in a 2.2 percent increase in inflation and a 3 percent growth in population that's what we've averaged over the last six years so there have been significant revenue impacts statewide since 1999 some examples of that have been an initial repeal of the motor vehicle excise tax property tax limitation and of course the Great Recession City property tax collection has been below the rate of inflation city has not added a new significant revenue source during that time period either although we have made adjustments of course to find and fee structures we had an increase in a B&O tax rate and we've certainly had special bond levies for example question that's very interesting what revenues are you talking about I believe these are total revenues but not from the enterprise funds don't believe so total general fund just general fund mm-hmm okay likewise expenditure per capita here same methodology that I explained earlier spend ensures have a similar drop from the early peak around 2004 when our population growth took off but our spending stayed relatively flat proportionally from 2010 to 2013 this curve and expenditure management has always been a priority of this city but those macroeconomic conditions and a need to provide services for a growing population and the fact that we are service organizations so a huge chunk of our budget is related to personnel costs and we all know those haven't stayed flat particularly when you look at the cost of providing health benefits so city governments just like ours are always challenged with expenditures that grow faster than revenues and in Washington state municipalities like its acquire particularly dependent on economic development to drive increase in revenue that therefore can support increased need on the expenditure side remember right so it really would be helpful for me and again noting tonight but if you give me the actual numbers the table of the numbers inside of the chart that would be super helpful okay thank you don't remember we just diner then comes going on tonight or councilmember hunt and then comes under winter's day on 2017 you mentioned that that one is from the budget it's not the actual right is it just 2018 okay 2017 because it was it's not certified yet in our Kaffir financial report okay so if even though it's not certified and we we know for 2018 for example that the difference in the revenue is going there's going to be some difference in the revenue versus what was budgeted because 2017 it would be good to know what it what it is although it's not certified to get a sense for how much that varies for the budgeted this is the actual sure interest at two comments first both this slide in the previous one I think those are amazing curves actually the fact that the per-capita numbers could stay flat and my second comment is it's not coincidental that's when the longest-tenured members of this council actually started serving the last clearly clearly you can see it before an enacting right then we just put them together because they look nice together yes I like to comment on this a couple things first of all I completely agree come from Blair weirdness tine suppose I'm the one who asked for these numbers but this really does when people ask you know are you just spending as much money as you know government they just want to spend all of our money well no you know we provide services and over time those services in real dollars as we scale the organization have have you know been flat for sometimes the second thing is that of course that there's no hockey stick for 2018 2019 and that this maintenance budget that the mayor has submitted is in fact you know it tells that story here and then I want to mention that an important factor is that by by defining real dollars on CPI it also sort of takes out the the benefit that the community has seen by increased housing prices now there is a CPI is not driven off of housing prices right so if we if we were doing this on the back of the increase in housing value then we would see this number trending up right this is this is real by making it on di and then the final thing that that I really like about this is there's only really one year where expenditures exceed revenues right generally speaking we've been able to you know keep expenditures at or below revenue and that one year was you know in the midst is we were as we were diving into the the Great Recession so I I really like the fiscal restraint that this that this chart shows that was that was before I was on council other other questions see a quizzical look anything no all right okay and then we wanted to give you just the big picture look on the general fund this is the revenue side or what we've referred to as resources often this is the same pie chart that which was in the budget in brief you can see it's a big slice of purple up there that comes from taxes next largest increment is from charges for service charges for service are you can think of that as the user fees that participants or users of different services pay directly for those services and and I'm gonna take that biggest slice of pie that's taxes we're going to break that out a little bit Ruth talked about this in her presentation as well you can see the our biggest portion of taxes is coming from sales and use which that's opposed with local and regional and even national economic conditions it's a quick question so do we find I mean I just don't know historically that property taxes are more stable and retail sales and use more volatile or they both fairly volatile both fairly stable I mean those mean that makes up the lion's share of the plan I I can't speak historically for this community I can say my experience elsewhere is that property tax is considered a stable source for sales and uses less so I asked how we made a hundred and ten thousand dollars off gambling it's a really good question there's revenue share that's based on what yeah sound like scratch tickets yes Kristi is telling me pull tabs and scratch games like lottery receipts yeah that must be a lot of there must be a lot more of that than I realized all right thank you lastly we wanted to show you the same sort of pie for expenditure side of the general fund you can see salary and wages is the biggest slice of the pie I'm having the management analysts do a little bit of research on this I actually was quite surprised to see this below 50% and so I'm posing some questions about whether why that's whether or not that's the norm for similar municipalities it's lower than then I've experienced I think in part if you look at combining other personnel maybe a chunk from services where we're contracting out instead we get closer to a number that I would have expected helped understand a few these labels services is professional services so again contractual services it includes our legal budget it includes some of our communications insurance and utilities payments from the general fund supplies its office supplies small tools and equipment computer hardware and software a cost allocation right now we have to cost allocations that's IT and fleet intergovernmental is our funding a fire marshal position King County shoreline Patrol Eastside Fire Rescue Arch workers compensation Services election costs a whole bucket of many small things other operating costs includes travel rentals and leases repairs and maintenance scholarships and grants training registration dues and subscriptions and then other personnel is over time and part time non regular wages so our part-time staff again a different way of looking at it looking at our preliminary budget and you'll see us use we're still not using the right lingo everywhere will say propose sometimes some preliminary other times I mean the same thing so the preliminary budget versus 2018 adopted and I'm stressing that charges for service taxes and transfers we are projecting an increase or have built into the budget an increase in revenue but intergovernmental licenses and permits we are projecting to be down some budget to budget and here the in taxes as we talked about that's mainly coming from sales and use and a little bit from business and occupancy charges and services that increase is mainly from plan check review services and recreation fees so you can finish the slide ok we're projecting a slight decrease as you've seen on your revenue summary in building permits it's a conservative estimate we tend to be conservative in that category because sometimes permits come in earlier than expected sometimes they come in later and so that's really about timing and but we we do analysis every year to look at what's in the pipeline and try to judge what permits they're going to apply for what that will result in terms of permit revenue and what's the timing on all of that we're we're in a particularly challenging time a good time to try to project revenue but it is challenging because this is a period of unprecedented growth but we do see some slight signs that some things are slowing down and so we do tend to be conservative prudent on estimating our revenues have somewhat understand thank you since you came back to revenue and I was one slide slow Cristina whomever is driving could you go back to slides thank you this this was the taxes one okay that's fine earlier this evening we had a public hearing on revenue sources and I've always found that a little bit misleading so I just want to say this publicly you can look at that you can see we have components that are property tax there's a component on sales tax there's component being another big one on business and occupation tax there are other ways that we get for criminal justice utility rates that that are added to our bills for our utilities like phone for example there's many different ways that we as a city can impact the numbers and the site the slices of each of these pies but the only question in front of us in this budget season at all is the levy rate that the city charges for property taxes that's it right because I just want that should be a very I mean the public hearing was titled revenue sources right and and and that's I don't know if it's intended to cover all the potential changes we could have as I can look at there's many ways that we could affect revenue but the only one we're addressing is a potential 1% in property tax that's correct haven't we so I'm trying to remember in pre there are years that we have looked at being out but that wasn't part of the budget process that was separate from the budget or was that part of the budget so some years it's been part sometimes it's been separate there's no rhyme or reason we can do it either way other years in addition to you mentioned bno as an example we have offered suggestions to change not on this slide I'll show you this slide some new policy and therefore new rate structures and fines and fees so we have presented those options and the in the past this particular budget we don't have those recommendations in front of you we lay out in the in the IMC there's different rules governing these different sources and the time at which you can present recommendations to make changes so we're choosing this here the administration is choosing to make that 1% recommendation and choosing not to suggest to change in Vienna correct at this point in the year I will also say just be fully transparent that the mayor has some level of authority as well to make some adjustments on rates for example I think if you look at rec fees she has the ability to adjust non-resident rates up to a certain percent increase so it depends on the revenue source so if we really give in a jam you know those pool fees okay as an example thank you for that explanation sure other questions right now okay okay so that leads to the punchline you have one question on this one why are intergovernmental revenues down so significantly in 2019 s preliminary budget I in part they're due they're down due to state law changing on the streamline sales tax that's the biggest chunk great things did we get was there disadvantage rule change does it disadvantageous rule change yes I think cities lobbyists had spoken about that Doug levy over the course of the legislative session it's a it's a multi-year faizon plan to reduce our revenue and I can get you more information about how much is expected each year I think I think this is the second to last year of that reduction if I recall correctly so that does lead us to punchline here and this sets up the conversation for our next budget work session where we will talk in greater depth about the expenditure side of the general fund that 1.7 million dollars of new revenue is the amount that we had to work with in the budget so after departments came and presented their 30 new staffing positions and their five million dollars of IT requests we then had to turn back to them and say ok and we have 1.7 million dollars of ongoing recurring revenue that can support any new adds to the budget and this year we worked very very hard to get expenditures in line with that revenue forecast so 1.7 million dollars is not a lot for the the needs that I think we were trying to meet this year questions right that's it I thought it would be on the quick side I don't think next Monday will be quite as fast hopefully you'll hear from other people besides me next week I feel bad that members of the public left maybe only 15 or 20 minutes before how they stayed a little longer they could have overcome it but oh well alright well thank you very much do you want to talk a little bit of give us a little bit of a heads up for the next one sure so we will be spending more time talking about expenditures we will be covering the new staffing requests you pull that up real quick take a look at that first page the 29th oh yeah the calendar will work that annotated one so we'll be talking about that that the biggest changes on the expenditure sites will talk about staffing costs well there were very limited number of regulatory changes that dictated additions to the budget so we won't have much to report on that front we're past years we have we will be also down one more 29th we're gonna cover Department work plans so you'll get a sense of what we put in the budget in particular where we're we've also included professional services in order to support those tasks we're gonna cover some of the things that weren't included in the base budget we're going to maybe talk a little bit about if those are high priorities for council and community ways that we could do some of those by utilization and fund balance and we will start to scratch the service I believe on capital projects and debt assumptions I expect that conversation and carry over to the next work session because we have some significant gaps in our capital planning comes up every winters time yeah one comment one one question my comment is there's a lot to like in this budget as proposed and I do appreciate the very clear policy objective of making sure that our ongoing expenditures are covered by ongoing revenues and then to deliver something that meets that objective that makes things a lot easier and so I'm pleased with that my question is and you started to address it Emily right here at the end and I feel like I should know the answer to this so it's a little bit revealing a little bit embarrassing I guess we start by saying at the state level we know they do an operational budget and completely separate they do a capital budget and ours are rather weaved in between it seems that we have a capital plan that has projects expenditures timelines and revenue sources but then it's every year I think within our this operational budget that we take a slice out part of the what we call this operational budget there's a slice of it as oh by the way this is the part that's going to implement this year's capital plan right and and I guess I just I guess I do understand it my ass then would be would be that the more clear that delineation could be made the better it would be great to be able to if I could say clearly like okay so in front of us right now is the question of approval for a capital plan for this part of our for the 2019 whatever that is now even if there's some carryover from 2018 or whatever I can say in front of us here's a part that's for capital for 2019 and I can then open up that capital budget book at any time and say this is what we're talking about funding unless there may be some changes of course but but that I guess so that's my as much as anything because I know historically we've taken capital and we will see those plans would at a department level for example or there might be and then streets might be off by itself and some other things but it was never been easy to see all of capital one place I think with the capital plan that we have with seeing the funding part that we work on right now it should be hopefully should be just very easy to line things up and say here's the question in front of us for funding to do this part of our capital plan yeah so I think it's easy to see the picture I think it will be a much more difficult conversation to have about how we're going to proceed with the capital plan for 2019 so let me give you an example when we adopted the capital improvement plan there were three projects shown in 2019 which at that point was year 2 of the plan that were unfunded in whole or in part so those projects have not technically been included in this proposed budget because they were unfunded and then just that added a layer of complexity so an idea of why I think it's gonna take a couple meetings at least and why we I'm gonna suggest we may even have to extend the conversation on the capital component of the budget beyond budgeted option perhaps is because we've also had things have happened between now and adoption of the capital budget so for example we have a project where we had anticipated it would be fully funded maybe but that was dependent upon getting a grant a grant that we did not get so now that gets added to the unfunded list and the work plan in that implementing Department included you know work on that project and so we need to decide are we gonna are we gonna allocate to that and also both in terms of dollars in staff time and and to what end because we didn't receive the grant that really enables that whole next phase of that project to go so it I'm sharing this only because where I said it it looks fairly complex and it's seems like we could probably get bogged down in a conversation about how to go about funding capital some of those gaps are quite large and may not be able to be satisfied through a single funding source or a funding source that would not require voter approval for example thank you we did have the financial retreat right so the picture of having a capital plan that's not fully funded is not news to anybody so I didn't so my dad for not saying that earlier I certainly I recognize I know that with this operational budget word there are not going to be capped they're not going to be capital dollars in this budget to do everything that we had adopted in our capital plan and I but I did try to slip in there and changes because I know change is happening but that so aside from this exercise we're going through now I am anticipating and I don't think this is news at all that there will be another stream in which we do make a decision or not about another funding source to cover the known gap for at least for just for transportation projects so so I know that so I don't expect those there to be revenue to line up for every all the anticipated expenditures and I do expect there to be potential changes I'll leave it up for you to how to package and deliver that but but i but it would be good this is a good marker and a good place at which to have a nice summary of the capital picture yes there are planned projects there's expenditures there are things relative to budget that they've already done and then here's the revenue we have in this budget and here's our maybe our updated forecast of what the gap would be that would be very helpful sorry thank you for that what you're saying come to member Ramos yes thank you so just kind of clear it in clarity in other words so positions that we approve like the slashers such as additional police officers and so forth those are all included in this base budget if you have a preliminary budget and with all those changes then where's the 1.7 million in additional revenue that that then we're gonna see when you bring it is additional things mainly to the operating budget additional positions you talked about staffing average tools those people tools thing are going to come into this 1.7 million all right and then to lead off on that and then we're gonna look at that capital side because that's these those are the ongoing costs and revenue and then looking at ending fund balance or other ways to fund some of those capital things that we talked about such as things that might have gotten unfunded place if we may got grants who didn't expect whatever all those pictures into the capital side will be digging into another side of that not including the 1.7 because that's more towards the operational tools and people side correct correct yes Clara from recurring yeah other comments questions a couple things first off thank you and your staff this is a good start there's a lot of new faces involved in the budget this year and it's just one person's opinion that it's going very smoothly given all the other new people involved in the budget but of course see how these go I also want to mention that our next meeting for the council is tomorrow we've got a council Committee of the Whole meeting at 6:30 p.m. here in Council Chambers it's not projected to be a super long meeting but you never know till it ain't over till it's over thank you the only thing that you trigger a memory for me I had hoped as we were kind of talking about new format and new process and multi-year multi-step improvements that we're undertaking part part of how we are going to get better at this each year is of course getting this feedback from all of you about what you would like to see how you would like to see it or councilmember Ray had offered previously a couple of suggestions on report formatting any of that will take and as we're able to implement them we shall thank you that we are adjourned Thanks you you