thank you good evening everyone um and welcome I'm going to call the April 3rd city council meeting to order as a reminder we continue to have a remote aspect to our meetings and both staff and members of the public may be participating in tonight's meeting remotely via WebEx councilmember Hunt is also with us this evening remotely so before we begin I'd like to announce that tonight's order of business is a little different than normal at the February 21st city council meeting the council adopted an ordinance modifying the order of business at City Council meetings moving the business items that are actionable before the more passive informational agenda items that change is now in effect as a result you'll you'll notice that the city council committee agenda reports and the mayor's report have been moved to the bottom of tonight's agenda so the first item on the agenda this evening is the Pledge of Allegiance and I invite you to join I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for Richard Sands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all we have a couple of items of special business to start off tonight and I'm going to move over to the lectern and do a couple of proclamations I'd like to invite our police chief Paula Schwann please dispatch supervisor Trisha belizzi and police communication specialist Teresa Davenport up to the lectern with me we are going to be recognizing Public Safety telecommunications week with a proclamation of recognition and for the community may not be aware we do have a Dispatch Center in Issaquah which is a little unusual for a city of her size but we're very proud to have it thank you whereas emergencies can occur at any time that require police services and whereas when an emergency occurs The Prompt response of police officers is critical to the protection of life and preservation of property and whereas the safety of our police officers is dependent upon the quality and accuracy of information obtained from citizens who telephone the Issaquah communications center and whereas professionals safety telecommunicators are a vital link for our community and are the first and most critical contact our citizens have with Emergency Services and whereas Public Safety telecommunicators are the single vital link for our police officers by monitoring their activities By Radio providing them information and ensuring their safety Public Safety telecommunicators of the Issaquah communications center have contributed substantially to the apprehension of criminals in this community and whereas our dispatchers exhibit compassion understanding and professionalism professionalism during the performance of their job now therefore I mayor Mary Lou Paulie City of Issaquah do hereby proclaim the week of April 9th through 15th to be public safety tip telecommunications week in the City of Issaquah and I invite the community to join me in thanking issaquah's dispatchers for their service and outstanding contributions to our community I'm going to hand this off to the ladies and to address the group thank you mayor and council members this group of people have done an amazing job they are the lifeline for our officers on a regular basis in the calm and also in the storm they are a calm voice and very resourceful when they need resources and the officers couldn't do their jobs without them and to have someone call on the other end of the line when someone calls 9-1-1 they handle tens of thousands of calls every year in our small Center and it's growing rapidly so I commend them and I we couldn't do our jobs without them and we thank them very much for this thank you for the proclamation mayor [Applause] okay chief you're in the middle okay thank you thank you ladies thank you for coming tonight thank you chief the second item of special business this evening is id1420 it's the Arbor Day Proclamation and I'd like to invite Urban Forest supervisor Dan Hintz to the lectern to receive the proclamation come on up Dan whereas in 1872 J Sterling Morton proposed to the Nebraska Board of Agriculture that a special day will be set aside for the planting of trees and whereas this holiday called Arbor Day was first observed with the planting of more than a million trees in Nebraska and whereas the anniversary of the holiday and Arbor Day is now observed throughout the nation and the world and trees produce life-giving oxygen provide habitat for wildlife they beautify our city increase property values and enhance economic vitality and whereas trees wherever they are planted are a source of joy and spiritual renewal and whereas the City of Issaquah is an active Tree City USA designee for 30 years and whereas the city of is Quest celebrates Arbor Day year round with many events to enhance and expand our tree canopy whereas the City of Issaquah is celebrating its annual Arbor Day on Thursday April 20th 2023 in your calendar now therefore I Mary Lou Paulie mayor of the city of isqua do hereby Proclaim that isqua celebrates Arbor Day and Carries that Spirit through our activities policies and priorities all year long I urge all citizens to celebrate and support efforts to protect our trees and Woodlands further I urge all citizens to plant trees to create a healthier community and promote the well-being of future Generations so damn thank you for coming this evening would you like to say a few words sure okay thank you Mary Paulie hello Council I've met several of you before my name is Dan Hintz I'm the new Urban Forest supervisor with the City of Issaquah this is my start of my third week right now I met many of you in my past role with the Mounds of sound Greenway trusts managing the restoration program there so I've had an awesome opportunity to be working with the city in that capacity and I'm really excited to get going here working in the city now so I'm sure we'll be connecting here soon on the development of our Urban Forest management plan here in Issaquah really trying to you know pick up and keep building on the efforts with the green as a quilt program and really expand some of the education and Outreach opportunities around our Urban forests and kind of more broadly the natural resources that we are so lucky to have in this community so I'm really excited to work with you all I will say this is the 31st year as a tree City USA in Issaquah which is really an awesome accomplishment I'm really excited to carry that Legacy forward there are 92 communities within the state of Washington that are identified as Tree City usas and Issaquah has actually the eighth most consecutive years at 31 years and counting so something I think we should all be proud of and not take for granted and I'm really excited to keep working to promote protect and continue to make sure we're all valuing this great Forest we have here in Issaquah so mayor Polly thank you thank you everyone a city administrator will take a picture great thank you thank you so much welcome aboard thank you everyone the next item on our agenda this evening is audience comments and members of the public May address their council at this time in person or virtually those who signed up in advance to make comments will be called on First and if you're joining us virtually and would like to make comments please raise your virtual hand or send the host a chat message if you're on your phone press star 3 if you're joined by computer or smartphone look for a hand icon if you are in the room and did not sign up I will ask for other speakers before closing this portion of the meeting city clerk has any has anyone signed up for comments this evening yes thank you for those making comments please make sure to direct those comments to the whole Council and not to individuals and while this is not a question and answer session we will contact you to follow up if needed when recognized virtually unmute your microphone or step up to the lectern right in the center if you're here with us tonight in person state your name address and relationship to the city speak clearly and pause frequently and limit your comments to five minutes if you're attending virtually and do not respond after your name or phone number is called or if your connection is lost unexpectedly the meeting will need to proceed and you are encouraged to rejoin the meeting if you are able personal attacks obscene language derogatory remarks and disruptive behavior will not be permitted citizen comments written and verbal are an important aspect of the public process the city takes comment seriously and we thank you for taking the time to address us and city clerk can you please identify the first person who signed up to speak this evening yes Rachel Wright hello my name is Rachel Wright and I'm the vice chair of issquah Arts Commission I want to thank you for the continued support and funding that allows the Arts commission to recommend grants to encourage the Visual and Performing Arts in Issaquah in our last round of granting there were 15 organizations that submitted applications and of those 15 more than half said that granting dollars would be used to help cover space rental the locations included city-owned facilities such as the senior center and Pickering Barn I think this raises a few interesting questions and opportunities how many artists and organizations are not participating because space is hard to find and expensive perhaps we need to consider what kind of resources are needed is it granting actual dollars or waving rental fees for city-owned spaces or perhaps it's a combination of both kinds of resources what can we do to make it easier for people to secure space at properties such as Pickering Barn the senior center and the community center and what other city-owned buildings might work for Community Arts programming at our March meeting the Arts commission received a proposal for an Issaquah Film Festival focused on the work of young filmmakers The Proposal came from three students in Issaquah each one was either studying filmmaking at the college level or getting ready to apply to programs in the college level of course they are in need of space and they're looking to partner with Issaquah this kind of event requires both space and the appropriate equipment Village Theater has space they don't have the right equipment isqua high school has the appropriate theater space and equipment from screens to projectors to sound yet Issaquah High School is still not available for Community use since coveted protocols were put in place three years ago the public funded the construction of the high school with the understanding that facilities such as the theater would be made available for the community to use what can be done to reopen access now that restrictions are no longer in place the Arts commission will be working to better understand and support the community's need for space and recommending Solutions our goal is to make it easier for creatives to perform Inspire and connect we'll continue to share our progress with you and we hope we can count on your support thank you very much thank you Rachel we really appreciate it when Commissioners come in and provide information for Council Members so thank you very much for doing that that's great um city clerk do we have anyone else signed up to do comments this evening no we don't have anyone from the public online with us tonight thank you um so thank you very much for your comments and as a reminder to anyone who is watching you may always be able to reach your Council by writing to them at city council at issaquah.gov flipped back to the proclamations but I'm pretty sure you guys don't want to do them all over again so Turn the Page council president Walsh do you have any email comments to summarize on tonight's agenda items yes despite our uh sparse agenda we did have a comment saying they were against one of the consent items which is ab8587 the Grant from King County regarding aquatic facilities suggesting that it was a misplaced use of our time and then also concerns about the informational update item uh the community engagement toolkit suggesting that it should come before the equity board and still needed some work that concludes the public comments thank you council president so we will be moving into the consent calendar and per the city council's new rules the mayor's report and committee reports will occur later in the meeting however the mayor and committee chairs do have an opportunity to provide committee reports or informational announcements regarding the consent calendar item prior to approval so I have a couple two items that I'd like to share this evening first is on the King County aquatic feasibility planning project Grant agreement so on tonight's consent calendar agenda Bill 8587 seek city council authorization to accept an 80 000 Grant from King County to conduct a pool feasibility study that focuses on the possible expansion of the Julius bone pool the Julius bone pool was built in 1972 in 2015 as a 40 plus year old facility important facility and system life cycle Investments were performed now over 50 years old the pool remains a popular and heavy used facility along with lessons lap swim aquatic exercise and Community swim The Pool Place hosts to six High School swim teams girls and boys teams from the three Issaquah school district high schools a new Aquatic Facility is likely an issaquah's future however at a probable cost of 30 to 40 million dollars that potential new Aquatic Facility is probably many many years away and recognizing the pressures of current Community use and the potential of the fourth high school and two additional swim teams before a new pool can be built this feasibility work will help us determine if option to exist at the current pool to add capacity and decade Decades of life in a creative and cost-effective way the grant will explore and help determine if there are cost-effective solutions to adding pool capacity within the existing pool site the isqua school district will remain as a partner in this exploratory work both as a primary user of the pool as well as a neighboring property owner Clark Elementary School is right beside Julius bone so public education engagement and updates will be part of the assessment work as well the second item is about the public engagement toolkit it is included in tonight's consent calendar as an informational update regarding the public engagement toolkit as discwa's growing Community continues to diversify and change the the chain importance of public engagement is essential essential and at the heart of the role of public servants using guidance from award-winning engagement programs throughout the country the city's Communications team updated their public engagement toolkit to assist project managers as they develop customized plans for engagement depending on the issue topic audience or timing there are no items uh on tonight's consent calendar that referred to committee so I will not call for any committee reports at this time but I have a council member who wants to ask a question can I talk a little bit about the one agenda Bill we do have that came through Committee in February State administrators there did we miss something on the consent calendar oh it's well it's not on consent it's on regular business but we'll do it then yes okay thank you thank you for clarifying that I thought I was losing my mind and we were going to do committee reports okay okay but this is our first night so we're getting there uh okay so the consent calendar was distributed to Council in advance and if authorized the items on the consent calendar will be considered together and approved by one motion have the payables and payroll been reviewed they have thank you and we can hear you as council member thank you does any council member desire to remove any item from the consent calendar and consider it under regular business uh is there a motion yes I moved to approve the consent calendar as written I second that motion okay okay it's been moved and seconded is there any Council discussion on the motion hearing and seeing none the motion before council is to approve the consent calendar is presented all those in favor signify by saying aye aye those opposed okay that carries unanimously uh seven to so now we are moving into regular business and the first item is a b personal item a b8582 public works Staffing Resources and council member um to in order to fully understand your question I will head over to the city administrator and city clerk about process here uh it's certainly appropriate for the committee chair to make comments okay we'd like to before the presentation well I do it after the presentation okay that would be better thanks sounds good then I'd like to invite Public Works director Emily moon to make that presentation thanks Emily and Madam mayor before director Moon gets started I'd like to just make a couple of introductory comments uh we appreciate the time that the committee Council committee spent reviewing this item and reported favorably on it um there's a lot of moving pieces to the the presentation this evening uh all really focused on one thing and that is we want to make sure that we continue to provide and expeditiously work on uh capital projects for the community uh public works department has gone through lots of change uh pandemic lots of issues over the last several years and with uh director Moon's arrival here last year she's I think done an excellent job of assessing resources and and what you have before you this evening is her recommendations on some additional resources that are needed with additional resources also come costs associated with those resources and in the report this evening we go through the administration's recommendations on what we believe would be appropriate adjustments to the budget in order to accomplish the hiring of those additional resources those will also require some adjustments to current projects and because there's quite a bit before you this evening we think it would be appropriate rather than having the council act on this item this evening but instead to hear the report get feedback from you and then come back at your April 17th meeting with the appropriate resolutions amending the budget and amending the salary resolution to actually implement this rather than wait what would be the customary two months or three months for a quarterly revision we think that it's important to have those changes considered by the council and then acted on by the council so Madame mayor members of the council our request would be then to have the director moon go through the presentation answer questions and then have this item continued until your April 17th meeting thank you City administrator um any questions or should we just be moving right into the presentation presentation Public Works director Moon all right thank you very much happy to be here talk about our great Public Works Department so tonight we do have before you a request for additional resources for the Department and as the city administrator alluded to one of the reasons why this is coming before you at this time is because when I started about six months ago my first task was to really understand what the department was doing how well it was doing and what was needed how to how to advance the work how to ensure our success it is a great Department full of a lot of very dedicated people people who are always striving to do more and always striving to do better at what they do however it's a difficult thing to say to you tonight that we don't have sufficient resources to be able to get our 2023 and 2024 work plan accomplished nor do I think we have enough resources to meet the future Community needs particularly on Capital and on equipment replacement and care so this proposal was developed to be responsive to those Community needs and to help Propel our department to a place where it could successfully deliver on those projects so we have put together a proposal that includes a request for new staff for new positions two of those would be engineering positions I'll describe those positions in a few minutes and then a request for some additional Professional Services to support our work on projects this is a hybrid approach some staff some out of house contractual services to meet those needs our goal in this proposal was to increase our staffing level to do more capital projects and to do them better and to add necessary Staffing for our signals unit which I'll spend a little bit of time on tonight also to keep in place some incentives for our newest hires and to help reduce the burnout and boost our ability to retain employees we're also seeking to backfill a bunch of vacancies and jump start design work with those contractual services and ultimately hope to transition those projects to our staff as our capacities increase our signals unit provides a really good example I think of how work has changed in our community as we have advanced in our use of Technology as we have responded to Trends in best practices and attempted to provide additional features in our community our assets and our signals unit have grown exponentially our staffing has not our staffing has been relatively flat for the last has been flat for the last 15 years and relatively flat for the last 20. one of the things I wanted to point out to all of you is the impact of this Staffing level are two individuals in this unit have worked a substantial amount of overtime over 850 combined hours of overtime last year and that trend is continuing this year on the engineering side of the house we also have a substantial workload 59 significant capital and non-capital projects our Engineers do more than just capital projects they are involved in shaping policy responding to community need emergent needs and much more it's a significant investment that we ask them to caretake and to drive forward we have nine people who are responsible for project management in this division we started most and ended most of 2022 with five individuals out of those nine we were briefly up to eight for a short period of time this year and then we lost one of those individuals this is a critical moment for our engineering division we not only have a huge portfolio to manage and are eager to get all that work done but we've had an adult added Catalyst to drive us toward that performance level and that's the American Rescue plan act bundle of projects that have we have committed to those have a finite timetable and cities made an obligation to complete those projects just an example on the transportation side of engineering I did a comparison there are a lot of surveys going on across the region because Issaquah is not alone and its shortage of Engineers or Capital project managers is a very very tight Market as I laid out in the agenda bill but this is how we Stack Up we have fewer Transportation Engineers per project than our some of our comparison cities that I was able to get data from and this proposal tonight would help close some of that Gap but not completely close it I've proposed an additional position that would be responsible for helping to oversee our overall Capital program and I'm differentiating between that and capital project management specific to one two three projects this position would be able to focus on needed improvements for the overall program our project and division managers simply don't have time to do that work as they manage their projects or manage the Staffing within the division so the improvements that I hope this position will bring is more robust planning processes developing and utilizing performance metrics and tools increasing our inter and intra departmental and interagency coordination seeking additional grant funding driving procedural changes that could enhance our on time on scope on budget success and it's not uncommon for a city our size or with a portfolio the size that we have to have individuals that are dedicated not just to the capital projects themselves but to the overall program management we have been working over the last several months to try to put into practice some other ways of managing the workload we have in some cases reassigned some duties try to match up skill sets a little bit better share the workload across other divisions or in some cases even other departments and we are trying to become more efficient improving our processes in addition as you've seen in this agenda Bill we are delaying a few projects and we hope to also get some external help on these projects I believe that the solution to our resource crunch requires more than one solution in The Proposal I have spelled out a handful of projects that we are delaying we applied criteria across all projects utilities projects Transportation projects in order to assess whether they could be candidates to delay so that we could focus on making sure we got the remainder of the projects done and done well so we assessed each project for a variety of factors including its risk and urgency Grant timing or other fixed requirements whether the Project's delay would cause harm to any other project or a time-sensitive subsequent phase of that same project what phase each project was in and whether the work was already in progress for example if we'd already put it out to bid early this year or if we have already entered into a contract for the work in addition we always look to see if there are overlaps with projects that help us to use public dollars more wisely so utility projects are oftentimes coupled with Road Improvement projects in addition we looked at How likely we were to be able to complete the scoped work in 2023 and whether the project was solely supported by City funds all of those gave us a sense of whether we could move forward easily with the project or whether they might be candidates for delay in addition to the handful of projects that we are planning to delay we have proposed that we use some outside services to help us to manage a few other projects in particular we prioritize getting some help on those arpa projects so we can make sure that we hit the timetables associated with those projects summary is also in your packet that shows the four positions that we are requesting identifies that we will if need be use a relocation incentive to help get Engineers to come to Issaquah if we need to it also lists the where we expect to spend those Professional Services dollars is split between utility projects and transportation projects funding sources for this ask come from a variety of sources the first on the general fund side are from repurposing the budget that was to be used for a local government management fellow which was a two-year position the second was to reallocate the Gilman Boulevard planning funds in order to get capital projects in the general fund done and that both of those sources result in approximately um 586 000 in the 2023 need and provide the funding to cover that 2023 need in addition we have taken a look at the Utility Fund health and we believe that the utility funds can support the estimated costs in 2023 and 2024 for the request that's before you this evening as the city administrator mentioned a budget amendment will be required to shift the dollars between the various funds many funds involved Turf storm sewer water Street in order to support those new requests and so we'll come back to you with that budget amendment in addition the delay of the stormwater capital projects with temporary temporarily fund the stormwater position portion of the new requests and also return a small amount to the storm water fund balance that could be used to support those delayed projects in the future so our next steps would be to come back to you with that funding plans spelled out in the form of a budget amendment and the salary ordinance revision we would then move forward with executing those Professional Services agreements we have recruitments underway for positions that are all already open existing positions we would hope to fill those positions whether they're new or existing vacancies by July and then we would hope to transition the franchise management back in-house at toward the end of the year ultimately we hope to transition all those capital projects that we were using out of Health Services on back to our staff after we are fully staffed and hopefully by this year's end this was a hybrid proposal where we have requested some additional staff and some additional funding for Professional Services one of the Alternatives certainly could be to allocate more funding for those contractual Services it doesn't completely negate the need for staff to oversee those contracts but we could talk about the balance between those requests there's an option as well to meet the existing Resources by delaying additional capital projects or canceling them and then our third option that's an option but not a preferred option would be to direct staff or our contract or to spend less time scrutinizing those franchise applications that have become more and more complex over time and do require a significant amount of time lastly we could adjust service level expectations we pride ourselves on being able to respond quickly when a traffic signal is out and not leave it in Flash for example but that's not the way it's done everywhere again not our preferred alternative but one that could be considered the committee mobility and infrastructure committee did recommend proving the additional requested positions in order to complete the capital projects enhance Capital program and franchise management and improve the city's ability to handle its traffic signals the committee also supported the allocation and use of Professional Services to ensure the delivery of projects while we're working hard to fill those vacancies and the administration's recommendation is the same in your packet to authorize those four ftes and their Associated budgets and the Professional Services request of four hundred and ten thousand dollars and to make the adjustments in our salary ordinance and budgets to reflect those changes and with that I won't read the whole motion I will pause and be happy to answer any questions that you might have thank you director Moon so we have questions and then I after we do a few questions I'm going to head over to committee chair Ray and there may be additional questions so councilmember Mertz thank you madam mayor um in the proposed next steps it includes a delay projects in recruit positions in April um recruiting and hiring is is different than the folks that actually do the projects why why do a delay right two actions in that bullet point we have the projects under delay right now we have not allocated current staff toward working on those projects in order to focus their time on all of the others in addition to continuing with that action we would spend our time trying to recruit for those open positions did that answer your question there's no so whatever is delayed at the moment there's no option that involves getting going on things that are currently being delayed things that are delayed are going to be delayed regardless of which option we choose yes this is more our staff letting you know we've taken that action if you would like to see us Advance those projects then we certainly will need more resources more resources beyond what is spelled out in your packet this evening additional questions council president thank you um I know you mentioned that you know some of this is about reallocating workload both as a way to retain employees and you know just right size their workload can you give any indication about like what portion of this is about increasing our capacity to get work done versus doing things like hiring somebody else so that we're limiting over time which isn't really necessarily increasing our capacity do you have any sense of that balance well currently the the only place where we have authorized over time the only place where we can is for the hourly folks that work in the signals unit that's the the only opportunity that we have to get the work done right now on our exempt staff side uh you're right we have taken a bunch of different steps to try to right size the work that's on their plate in order to retain them keep them functioning at a high level on the projects that they need to focus on I I think we have tried to do the calculus it's a little bit of Art and a little bit of science I think to try to analyze how many hours does each project require we do that sort of work to project plan and then to look at how many Engineers we have available to put toward those tasks it's been complicated because we can't just look at our authorized Staffing level we actually have to look at who do we have right now able to get the work done and that has been a challenge for us because we haven't been able yet we've made significant progress but we haven't been able to fill every seat let me ask it maybe a different way because I appreciate all of those details but would you say in many ways that the additional ftes that you're suggesting here are more about reallocating work between people whereas the services contract is about increasing capacity thank you for that I I would say that additional staff will help alleviate current load on our existing Engineers the projects that we are targeting for external help we have set aside at this moment in time we may be taking small steps to try to get those projects going but they aren't getting all the time and attention that they need and so the Professional Services will add capacity in order to put those projects back on track City administrator let me just add that we're trying to do many things at one time and I think the professionals the last part of what director Moon said is the immediate impact of that having those three additional engineer two additional Engineers one project manager will allow us to increase capacity the traffic signal issue I think it's a separate one but anytime you're spending the the large amount of overtime that you're spending uh having another full-time position just makes a lot of sense so that almost travels separate than the other three but once those other three are there plus uh the ability to keep folks that's been a huge challenge uh as director Moon said there's some incentive programs uh or previously authorized by the council and the mayor that we're using here we've extended for example uh the retention uh bonuses that we have for those employees that were with us at the end of last year to those that we hired at the beginning of district there are two Engineers that we extended that to so it's these multiple trains so keep the folks we have keep the new folks we've just hired have the ability to hire a few more but also then have contract work to support all that while all the rest are coming into place that's the strategy councilmember egg I have a question for the city administrator and at the beginning of this presentation you talked about the potential to delay this decision for until our April 17th meeting what would that look like and what would what would be the advantage disadvantage to doing that uh since the agenda packet was a release we've we've talked with members of the council um particularly councilmember hunt who raised questions about the impacts on projects uh that would not be worked on in order to come up with the funding in order to move this project forward so since those were newer questions and also the way this agenda item was prepared there is no action before the council other than the general direction the action as far as amending the budget and amending the salary resolution uh traditionally comes at a later point it's not unusual for the council to take a policy action and then have the actual function of that come through a vote later on and so we wanted to be accommodating to the questions that were raised by member of the council today we don't think that there is a material impact we will continue moving forward with recruitment of the positions unless we get a sentence from the council that that's not something you wish to do certainly uh the support of the committee uh made us feel that this was a package that would have supported the full Council so we don't believe that two weeks is going to have a significant impact uh if the council otherwise is comfortable with what you have before you this evening we're certainly not going to stop you from from doing that but this is a big change when you go through budget especially our first biennial budget we would hope that the package of Staffing that we have is sufficient we've gone through lots of changes in public works we stopped our Capital program for almost two years because of the pandemic these are unique circumstances and we wanted to be respectful to any member of the council who said well wait a second I want a little bit more time to completely understand all the impacts of this package let me follow up this is I'm just trying to understand kind of mechanically it's a little different than we've done in the past um so like maybe this is a city clerk question about so what's the path forward should because if we want to get input from the council as a whole we should do that tonight right correct so and to do that we really need to have a motion on the floor would be my thinking correct certainly I mean so we would if the council would like to go with the original motion you can again with the conversations we've had with councilmember hunt over the last day or so uh the administration is comfortable with the item being delayed two weeks yeah it seems to me that we should go with the proposed motion and if as a result of the discussion this evening we determined that we need more time then we can at that point move to continue it correct certainly yep okay so I'm just trying to understand the mechanics of this one because it says a little bit different it is a little bit different more questions okay then I'm going to turn it over to committee chair Bray if you want to provide some input from the meeting that the mobility and infrastructure committee had thanks mayor Paulie I appreciate that I've been so anxious to do this since way early in the meeting so I'm glad I finally get my my moment um we rely on public works a lot in this city we rely on them to keep things running we rely on them to maintain things and we rely on them very much to enhance our existing infrastructure as director Moon pointed out the city has grown a fair bit and our infrastructure has expanded and we have not kept up with that growth in terms of the number of people we have in our Public Works Department so to ensure that we continue to thrive as a city we have to be able to you know operate what we have we have to be able to maintain what we have and we have to be able to deliver on a fairly extensive list of capital projects that that are really important to to this community and it's been challenging and I think it's fair to say it's been frustrating for everybody because we want to do good and we want to get this stuff done um and then they're just those limitations that people have they're you know they have to sleep and and things like that um so the the mobility and infrastructure committee was was was very supportive of this plan that was developed by public works and director Moon felt that a really better positioned us for success in the future both by in the short term providing Professional Services to get us over the hump and then recruiting for the longer term staffing needs and so um coming out of committee it was very much thought that this was a a reasonable and a prudent and probably the right thing to do going forward um so I'm anxious to hit everyone's perspective on this and I guess I would look to my fellow committee members to see if there's anything that I missed or you'd like to add to that uh Deputy council president thank you maybe just a couple more things um you know we also talked about this or during feedback just kind of talked about how this is really more of a systemic problem that we're facing here in Issaquah giving some feedback about well what can this squad be doing more through our legislative Affairs and lobbying to help promote and support Workforce Development efforts at the state and in the region also talking about how this Council in particular we have very high expectations lofty goals for our capital projects rightfully so we're at this stage in the development of our city which will Define how we grow into a medium and then large size cities so capital projects are very important so we appreciated the reality setting that director Moon came to the committee and helped us through understanding that I feel like there was one other thing I was going to say and I've forgotten it um but if I remember it I'll bring it up during comments but again the council is very appreciative of the staff who came and talked about this understanding that this is a very difficult thing to do especially us as budget makers and policy makers we want to be doing everything we want to be doing everything excellent and there are things beyond our control that pull the strings for us so we just need to make sure to realize that as a council and support our staff when they're telling us that they're struggling so thank you Michelle yes I think that we were at least I was uh and I'm sure my fellow council members were too very very impressed by the professional analysis that we received and very grateful for the fact that it wasn't a one you know one what would they call that a one-pony uh proposal but many different aspects and a really uh thoughtful allocation of work and service contracts and um and then delaying some projects and it it seemed and the discussion was that each one of those options had been thoroughly vetted and there was a great deal of really good thought behind the proposal so we did unanimously support this coming forward to the full Council for approval we wanted it to be on the regular agenda because uh it is a big big ask but um uh mayor Paulie and councilmember Joe and I were with a group of young people a while ago and and we got the question you know what's the what's the most difficult thing or the most challenging thing you have as a council member and my response was uh balancing all the things that we need to do with making sure that our fiscal house is in order and sometimes that means we we lean this way or we lean that way but uh as a city our job is to provide services for our people and I believe that this is a fiscally responsible proposal that will allow us to provide the services that we need to provide to the people of Issaquah so I thoroughly supported I do want to say that I wanted to thank councilman Brook had for the many good questions she had and I am quite willing to if there's no you know impact on the work and and the recruiting I'm willing to wait until the next meeting to give final approval but I will support this proposal thank you so um maybe we could get that motion on the floor I'd like to make a motion um I moved authorize four hundred and ten thousand dollars in Professional Services funding for the public works project and franchise management assistance and authorized following new positions one FTE signal technician one FTE senior engineer slash capital projects manager for your utilities engineering one century engineer slash capital projects manager for transportation engineering and one FTE Capital program and franchise manager and direct the Human Resources Director to revise the salary ordinance to add the new classification for the capital program and franchise manager and direct the Chief Financial Officer to bring a subsequent 2023 2024 budget amendment to fund the Professional Services and additional positions oops second thank you councilmember D Michelle is seconding is there any Council discussion council president thank you um this one is difficult for me because I hear all of the need and I want everything out of that um I I want our staff members to not have to work overtime I want our staff members to not have double the projects that other cities have I want additional project capacity um my two major concerns when I come down to this is one that we're making a rather large decision about a single Department in a vacuum and we're not really with this proposal able to consider it related to other department needs or even whether our future year revenues will be able to support this type of Staffing so that's my first concern my second concern is the funding mechanisms here um there and I think this goes back to this whole concept of we've been kind of frustrated about some of the communication that's come back from the administration saying we don't have the staff capacity for that we don't have the staff capacity and I I get that but here we're presented with a suggestion of projects to delay and while you've said you know we went through this huge analysis of you know whether the project would conflict with something else or you know had adjacencies and all of those things but I'm not seeing that I'm only being given the proposed projects um and so I think there's really some policy decisions for us to make here about what are the projects we should be delaying you know what and it has to come with the input of what's our staff capacity absolutely um but in a way we made budgetary decisions to prioritize certain projects but we didn't rank those in order of one to fifty and you guys are you know chopping off the bottom you've made a decision and or you've made a recommendation and I I appreciate those but I think we need to have all of the information on the table and we need to make educated decisions not only potentially about Public Works Staffing and the capacity to do projects but in some of the other areas where we're kind of facing that same idea so yes I want to say yes to all of this I just I I think it's very difficult to get a 1.8 million dollar request while not being able to look at the full big picture of what are all of our needs in the city you know do is our police department at the right Staffing levels is our planning department going to be able to take the necessary steps with um title 18. you know we're being told the future updates list we're not going to be able to handle that necessarily so that's the problem I have in looking at this is yes and and I have to make those decisions for our entire sentences and our entire residents our business Community all of that um and I think this is very difficult to make that with this information so I will throw that to my fellow council members to see if anybody has any thoughts and responses on that um because I would like to get to yes but I want to be able to do so in a manner that understands all of the decisions that we're making because ultimately when we make a decision to say yes to this we're making a decision to say no to something else that's not on the table right now but It ultimately is the decision that we're making not only for this budget year but also potentially for future budget years because it's much harder to say no we want to eliminate a staff position here that's already been allocated if we come into a future budget year and we say well revenue is flat but we want to increase all of our staffing because we made that mid-year budget decision so those are the issues that I am facing in making these types of decisions tonight thank you for that council president and thank you for so clearly stating it all this is why your professional staff struggles because they do it with the bigger picture in mind I believe council member hunt would also like to comment and then anyone else who wants to raise their microphone would be great councilmember hunt thank you madam mayor well I um appreciate and agree with the comments that council president Walsh just made um and I too understand and I think it is Justified the need for the additional staff positions and Public Works um and I think there's a lot of information about that and about comparing to other cities and I appreciate also the work of the committee that looked at at that and also felt that it was a Justified increase for those positions so that we can do more of our Capital Improvement projects um issues and why I think it would be good for us as a policy making body to consider this again at a different meeting to take final action are are two things the first one is that the motion before us directs the administration to make a future budget amendment and within that budget amendment it's implied that there will be certain changes to the budget that affects the timeline of imported projects and my issues are not so much with the or are not with the increases to the Staffing levels um my concern is with those changes to the timelines of important projects for example we have a laughing Jacobs Creek project there that very important for Kokanee as the salmon recovery council member on this on this Council team and it's and as a member of the Kokanee management it's your local working group member that's a really important project and we also don't yet know if we will have a state match which we will know in June so I I would like to see as council president Walsh just said the work has been done to to look at all of the options for what we could um what what else we could consider or changes to the project timeline to make this pencil out I would like to see those because I think that would better equip us to make this policy decision and to take into account all of the different ramifications that it will have including changes to important project timelines so um that that's my first issue was really just that that we're directing the administration and it will come back as a budget amendment but my concerns are really with those things that will happen in that subsequent step so I would like to consider it all as one package I think that's better policy making um and then my second concern is that of the projects that are delayed that we did budget there is a fish habitat one that's important for for fish habitat and then there's an emergency access Culvert one that's important for a Neighborhood emergency access and then there's this Kokanee project that is super important for Kokanee which we really do have I believe a deep obligation to protect and I um would like to see all the other options it's listed in our packet that there could be other options that we could delay but we don't really have the information to see that at this time so that's that would be my ask to have that information we can have that discussion and fully understand the implications of this decision um with that additional information so I would ask that we consider the full package at our next meeting especially also since the Administration has said there's no there's no material concern that they have about that two weeks and as I said I think it will make for better policy making thank you thank you councilmember hunt uh councilmember Mertz thank you madam mayor um I uh I appreciate the the concerns that our council president and and uh councilmember hunt have brought up I'm going to support the bill as uh proposed this evening uh these things are I mean we have a capital plan let's get going on our Capital plan I'm excited that um the organization is to a point where it feels it can make use you know we've had so many things of the last couple years where the administration basically has said look we need more time to get things in place but now we're at a point where a major element of our plans we're ready to get moving I have concerns about delaying this at all um uh the market it's hard to hire people my day job I spent all my time trying to hire talented people so uh I think we should just uh get going thanks thanks looking for additional oh Deputy council president Hall uh sure yeah um I um support the policy uh as is as we talked about committee but I have no problem with moving into a future meeting if we want to get into it a bit more I do have some um concerns just for Council about how deep our role when it comes to evaluating projects by projects is public administrators exercise and use judgment around Staffing Resources management and all that every day that influences policy making so I would just make sure you know if this does come back to us and we do have kind of a more comprehensive view of it that we as a council stay high level and policy focused and moving forward in that way but again if the administration doesn't have any problems with waiting a few weeks to take this back up again I don't have a problem with that thank you Deputy council president councilmember Ray I have a couple of questions that this conversation has has spawned and and um they really are kind of going back to a little bit of my procedural thing um what would we do in the next two weeks because it seems like there's two questions are on the table one is um if we add these additional resources to Public Works is there something else that we're going to forego um so so that's one question that we need to answer um so that's a question for the administration the second question is what were the criteria that were used to decide which projects to delay so that we can understand the logic behind that because I know at committee we went through that and it was a fairly complex uh linear programming kind of model of of trade-offs so can can I get uh Emily you to at least talk to the kind of the rubric for decisions on what to delay and then also then questions about how do we deal with and this is probably a Wally question how do we deal with the larger resource management and mayor's going to chime in a little bit first you've got too many questions in there Council memory I'm sorry um definitely the city administrator can talk about the bigger picture of Staffing and definitely our Public Works director can talk about the logic or rationale that was used to do project selection and it is complicated for for 19 different reasons but I do want to point out that you have two different decisions here tonight one is about Staffing and a second one that would be coming in two weeks that is about resourcing and it is appropriate for you to divide those into two questions tonight you're voting on Staffing and directing us to prepare a budget amendment but you get to review approve that budget amendment and so I'm not sure how intricately these are linked but I will let people smarter than me answer that and council member Martz if you want to just chime in before the questions get answered yeah I think I might have a point of order because we actually we have a motion on the floor and I think that the request on subsequent information is presuming an amendment to modify the motion that's on the floor or no no because no no not yet the questions I think just questions yeah I'm just trying to understand um I'm I'm reacting quite honestly to some of the comments I heard and I don't know how to answer them because I need some I have some questions we'll get some more information on the table I don't think there's been an amendment to the motion proposed yet so let's start with City administrator let's start Big Picture This is a very unusual situation to be bringing a public works director in post budget but then to task them with doing a strategic review of resources projects and coming back to council with a pretty difficult picture um are you planning to do this with other departments uh no um or not not tomorrow I mean I think over the long period of time it's important to look at departments uh there is not another one in the hopper Public Works has been a real focus of our energies uh really since my arrival here believe it or not three and a half years ago um I'll just say in a more broad sense um you know the staff doesn't like to disappoint you and the community and I think for the last several years the staff the engineering staff public work staff has worked tirelessly to get projects out the door for lots of different reasons that hasn't happened and they've been very frustrated they're frustrated to come back and tell you during the budget cycle we did whatever percent of what was budgeted and they don't like to make excuses um and so when uh when director Moon came here in one of the requests the mayor and I had of her was you know do an honest assessment is this is this a people problem is this a process problem is it a resource problem what is this and I think is the committee heard and as you've heard this evening um you know we've documented some resource issues we could wait until the uh changes to the biennial budget in the fall and share all this with you then we decided no that doesn't make any sense because then we're just going to be coming back to you in the fall saying we've missed the Mark again we know why we're missing the Mark we want to move forward and make those changes one of the challenges however though in making those changes in mid-year without a an influx of resources from outside of the budget you have to make adjustments and uh and director Moon can share with you in a moment uh the rigor that she put every project through to make some decisions what we came up with was there were some projects that we weren't getting traction on for a variety of reasons and we felt comfortable shifting some of those resources and again director mucken it's probably go back to those four projects specifically and speak to that so there are no right answers here however when council member hunt and council president Walsh raised some questions over the last day or so I mean these are legitimate policy questions I don't think the mayor myself director Moon felt we could just reject them out of hand we felt it was important if the body wanted more time this is a big deal two weeks is not not going to break this but not to say we didn't do a really good job in the first place we think we've got a pretty methodical process which I'll let director Moon speak to now but that's sort of the bigger picture there are no other departments in the office thing you know certainly as you look down the road there certainly are always other Municipal issues we're going to have to deal with but we're not going to come back in two weeks and say you know let's have a deep discussion about parks and Community Services that's not well either a city administrator or director Moon there's another part of the question from councilman Ray which is what would happen in those two weeks so you know we just come back and you get the same information and well well so what we would do is we've heard from council member hunt we've heard from Council president Walsh about some concerns um you know are there opportunities I mean I think if I can get maybe more specific The Laughing Jacob laughing Jacob's group exactly it's not Jacob um you know there may be an opportunity to say okay if the council feels very strongly about this here's an opportunity to take money from somewhere else in the city to put that in there that probably is the only other adjustment we think we would make other than saying maybe there's some Reit money that you could spend on lots of other things you might be able to put in here if the council really felt strongly we felt in talking with the mayor this afternoon an obligation that if the council wants to take two weeks we're happy to provide that information but there's not going to be a lot of wild changes uh the the path's a pretty narrow one director Moon thank you so I heard two questions I heard criteria for project selection and I can review that again if that's uh desired I I did want to be very clear about where we are it is April we have not been sitting around for the last you know three months plus you adopted the budget even before the end of the calendar year we made plans in terms of allocating projects to different staff members and we had to get projects put out to bid we had to start working on collaboration with other entities and across departments and so I I want to be clear that we had to make some choices early in this year knowing what our staffing level was we've made those choices we've identified the projects that we have put on delay we've identified the projects that we need extra resources in order to successfully complete or get underway this year many of those projects are two-year projects we therefore have limited ability to pick other projects at this moment in time to delay in 2023 it's a two-year budget we could look to our 2024 pick out some initial phase you know design phase or conceptual planning phase projects or better candidates for delay in 2024. we have the ability to put contracts on pause there's risks in doing that the the projects that we would naturally turn to I think would be our rehab projects taking care of our existing infrastructure because those are annual programs and we can we can move work around that is not something we'd like to do it's precisely the thing we're trying to avoid and get better at but I just wanted to be really clear about where we are in this moment the projects that we were able to Resource we have resourced we have gotten underway in various shapes and forms having said that the criteria that we used is a very messy Matrix of criteria we don't just look at 2023 either we have to look at our full Capital plan and think about the relationships between projects and across funds but some of those criterias I mentioned before have to do with safety is there a risk a sense of urgency around this project because of safety concerns do we have grants that we need to complete this project are Milestones on this project in order to receive that grant funding um is there a subsequent phase of this project that is also time sensitive and therefore we need to get underway with an earlier phase now in order to hit that deadline um as I said previously we often look at projects that have not yet commenced that may be in the conceptual or design phase may be easier to slow those down we may not have a construction bid in hand that we want to execute right away so those are some other things that we look at we look at whether or not we're going to be able to complete that work is there some other factor is there a delay in materials on a particular job that we know is going to push us into 2024 anyway we look we look at a host of factors and then we try to decide is this a project that we can successfully complete with our resources today and that we must complete this year or did it go on a candidate list for consideration for a delay if it went on that list then we tried to strategize what are other ways that we could get it done and as the city administrator mentioned laughing Jacob Creek could be one of these the primary reason laughing Jacobs Creek is on the list today is because we did not receive the grant that we applied for we may receive a second round of that Grant and we may be given notice of that in June and then at that point in time if we got the Grant and if we had some additional resources in order to backfill the project management function then we may be able to get underway albeit still a little later than we would have had we received the grant noticed last year hey councilman Marie I thought you had three questions in there they thought you had two did you get the answers that you needed I don't know how many questions I had but I got them answered okay that was very helpful thank you okay I'm looking around for a second round of questions um before we go to second round we have heard from five of our council members I just wanted to give a chance to we have not heard yet before we go for a second round councilmember D Michelle um and councilmember Joe did you have any questions before we go to the second round okay great council president thank you um I really appreciate the information on the criteria and I probably should have looked up the Committees uh all of the information given to the committee when that question came up as well um what I'm hearing is maybe that we're kind of in a hard place because some of those decisions have already been made about which projects to continue work on given the resources in the beginning of the year and um also that there was a lot of evaluation and decision making used for that so I can accept that area the the other area that I'm still having trouble with I think is if I was looking at an entire budget and making decisions about where I felt like we needed Staffing if I got this information I might say and I also got the information from Human Services and police and planning and all of that I might make the decision to do fewer capital projects in my mind the title 18 future updates super super important having Staffing for the Motel 6 project that isn't really happening right now super super important and so I am still struggling with making a decision about a one Department's needs without looking at other departments and what those needs are for the full of our city I think um additionally I am concerned about what our future Revenue looks like if we're adding these these Staffing commitments on we made a decision in our previous budget cycle that our Revenue could support a certain number of staff and projects and operations costs and now we're making a decision to add almost a million dollars per year worth of Staffing costs without saying that we necessarily have the revenue for that in a future budget Year yes I appreciate that we're looking at this and saying we can you know not do some projects and have that money and utilize all of that for this current budget amendment but we're still not looking at that 2025 budget and saying we're going to have the revenue to support these positions at that time when it comes up because we didn't have that money when we made the decision on budget previously otherwise I would have said let's put another person in planning for you know Title 18 future updates or we would have said do we have the right Staffing for ipd so I'm still struggling with that uh this is a difficult policy decision to make in a vacuum and council president thank you for that um you know we would never as a Professional Organization come and ask you to pit one Department's needs against another so we would never come and say if you're going to do this you know you have to pick if it's going to be police officers or firefighters or this so part of what the team is doing is trying to present you this very unusual request but also doing it within that broad scope that I think you're asking for so it's it if it feels uncomfortable this is uncomfortable it really is but we as a team try to make sure that we have evaluated and present to you a proposed Staffing plan that we think will get the work done so not sure like when you do your wonderful Retreats with your Council priorities that's what we try and bring you back so I would hope that we aren't giving you the impression that we would ever shortchange one group over another no and I'll just respond to that I don't think we are necessarily short-changing any group or that you would try to pit departments against each other but ultimately budget decisions are about making decisions and evaluations between different needs and so that is a super super important part of our job in evaluating that budget and so right now yes I'm seeing the need in public works I am absolutely seeing that but I also know in the back of my head there's all these other areas that are super important as needs for the city and that's that's the play that's happening for me thanks um I think that's councilmember D Michelle is it is it appropriate to comment rather than ask a question or are we still asking questions you're in the motion I think comments are great okay I'm going to try and see this is stick delicately and diplomatically as I can but um I I think we have a director now that brings and that's what I was trying to say deep professional ability to analyze situations and we may not have had that when we were working on our budget and now we have it and we have a person who has presented us with a proposal that has been worked on not only by yourself but by our whole department and I just want to say that perhaps we didn't have the full information when we were doing the budget and now we have a much clearer picture end of comment I don't think I want to say anything else besides that I I'm very diplomatic um let's we are in the comment section so council member Ray had some questions but this is the time for you to make your comments if you'd like council member Ray you sure okay um so one of the things that really became clear in the discussion we had in infrastructure was how much infrastructure debt we have in the City of Issaquah and every day that we don't address that is a day that that debt gets deeper and it's going to be harder to dig out and so um so we need I think we need to move forward with putting a team together that can move us forward so I really appreciate um Council president's comments about um positions particularly the out your funding that was actually my my biggest question was great we got this year covered and maybe next year but what about the out years I think that's legitimate question that we're going to have to we're going to have to solve for um but I also believe that that's something we can we can do and I also believe that it's the job of the administration to come back to us I mean I don't think that this was um this is the first of a trickle of and now we need two police officers and now we need four you know so I I think that the the administration made a determination that this is really what's on fire this is where we need help if we're going to meet meet our goals so I think that so these positions make sense to me um and then you know it's funny buddy when I look at the motion it doesn't talk about the prioritization of projects at all I mean that's really kind of um an operational decision and and I got to rely on our Public Works to understand what our priorities are but then to manage the sequencing of projects in such a way that makes the most sense because managing a program which is why I'm excited about your program manager managing a program is different than managing a project because you need to look at how all these things interact and so um I think it's reasonable for us to give guidance on we like this and we know more than that but I think I want Public Works to operate these things as a program and to really to bring together the interdependencies and the funding streams and the resources in a package that gets us the most with what we have right now so you guys are professionals at it I got to rely on you recognizing that we have our our priorities so I think this is the right thing to do I think it's the right thing to do tonight I'm I'm ready to kind of move forward with this thanks I have two more speakers um I'm going to go first to council member Joe who has not made a comment yet and then back to council member hunt thank you um I'll stress the transportation engineering comparison slide that came up that showed you know that we put quite a burden on our Issaquah employees in terms of 3.83 projects as opposed to 2.22 which is the average we also put a great burden on them in terms of the amount of money that they're kind of responsible for 6.3 million dollars is kind of their responsibility for the value of the projects that they're working on and the value of projects per 1000 populations not almost a million dollars my point is that that we have been um demanding quite a bit from our Public Works employees and we need to be cognizant of of burnout and working them to a point where they go elsewhere right and I think that I don't see in the near future a great supply of Engineers coming out such that we are going to be having too many engineers in our department with turnover and just the way that the market is out the next five or ten years I think we're going to be lucky to have what we have and the the Administration has really done a great job with director moon to put a a package together that kind of does the very best with what we have as council member Ray points out and um gives us the best chance for success to achieve some of the goals that that the council has said are important the projects picked and how they're done you know is not necessarily in the purview of the council we're going to rely on our professional staff to do that and I'll be supporting the motion this evening thank you thank you councilmember Joe I believe everybody's had a chance to speak but I'm going to go back to councilmember hunt and then make my way around the table again councilmember hunt thank you Madame mayor um I will go ahead and make a motion to continue this conversation to April 17th promotion's been made second second would you like to speak to the motion yes thank you um it's always challenging to make to make an argument about that's that sort of hinges on a procedural thing but I do think actually this one is really important I think we have an opportunity to consider the budget amendment with as the implications of the decision at the same time and I've in the past you know sometimes we've directed the finance administrator to make decisions um or to to make amendments and then it comes back and there have been changes to um to the budget that then you know I have to that then have to be considered sort of separately but they had sort of also already been given Direction on by the council and um that for me has been really difficult and this is an opportunity that's supported by the administration to actually consider the amendment with the policy decision about increasing the Staffing levels and we can't do that tonight but we could do that in two weeks and there's not a material difference according to the administration so for a policy making body and for me as a policy maker I really think that that's a big step in the right direction to consider the policy to consider the budget amendment with the policy decision about increasing the Staffing levels um as I said before my issue is really with the changes to the projects I do believe we have and and um the reason that we have we'll have to consider the budget amendment is because we as a council do have oversight over changing the money and changing the funding that goes into these projects and we did approve a budget that included for example for example The Laughing Jacobs Creek project so um for that reason I do think we have the purview to to um to make um to make judgments about the different priorities that we want to include in the budget salmon and coconut very important it's been said that if we got that Grant perhaps we could then um have Staffing Resources to do that project I would like to have that um as part of the agenda Bill and to have that information in front of us so we could consider it as a package um so I I make this motion to consider that full package and again because I have um a serious concern about the project timeline and I said Sam as a city that so values salmon and especially Kokanee which we really do have the obligation to support because this is a very endangered population very few habitat places um I can't support that without I can't support this bill because of that as an implied issue but I feel like in two weeks we can have more um consideration of that with potential other options and I would appreciate my fellow council members giving that two weeks so we could consider that full package thank you uh I saw a couple mics go up and down I'm not sure if it was counselor D Michelle or councilmember Mertz yep I just couldn't see who went first so you can defer to okay council member marks followed by council member D Michelle respectfully I'm going to oppose the amendment um I I don't really want to get into a project by project analysis I think the administration you know we've had things over the last couple years where we've had where the administration decided to come back and be like hey we were going to work on this thing we didn't need to work on it this year so instead we're talking about small delays and the administration's already given a rationale on it um I don't see um a budget assessment in two weeks that's going to fundamentally change this is you know three ftes out of a what 250 FTE organization thereabouts we have a plan this is not uh it's not like we it's not the administration coming to us with a pickup opportunity that we didn't know that we had two weeks ago and there's some urgency to it we have put a lot of time and effort into this Capital uh plan and so and we've spent so much of the last three years being unable to do the things that we know we need to do as a city and make the Investments that we need to make so I am just excited about getting moving uh right now so thanks councilmember D Michelle so I will be supporting the motion and I think we are on the path we've been assured that things are going to move forward over the next two weeks while we're doing a little bit deeper dive it sounds if I and please correct me council member hunt if I'm saying this incorrectly but uh it sounds as though council member hunt would like us to consider putting laughing Jacob's Creek back on the active list and where we find the money to do that uh perhaps having the administration come back with that proposal and I have an additional question about it if we're going to consider it and that would be how does this all relate if at all to the big Culvert projects that we're going to have along I-90 and yes we do want to support our Kokanee so I will be supporting it I don't think that from what I've heard tonight that is substantially going to delay the project if we could take another two weeks to consider the adding that one project back on the active list and finding the funding to do that or the resources to do that so um I again I do support the motion and next week I plan to vote for it but I I don't see any downside to taking a couple of weeks to consider councilmember Hunt's questions thank you thank you councilmember D Michelle I have a question for the city administrator and Public Works director these would come back as two separate motions so there would be budget adjustment under one motion and the same motion we had here tonight so if there was no firm direction from the Council on resourcing we would still expect to have a vote on the Staffing plan so they set what you're thinking two different votes well I think if we're just continuing the motion that's on the floor then we it would be the motion that's on the floor so we would still be coming back at a future meeting beyond that with with the Staffing plan and the budget amendment as two separate votes that's right and it would not be in on the 17th it would not be on the 17th would not be on the 17th correct if if we're continuing the motion that's on the floor motion on the floor has us coming back at some future date with that so we would come back though and address the funding as it is currently before the council this evening and so we would make and I I think that councilmember D Michelle is correct that it's that one project would be the one that we would focus on I guess what I'm trying to make sure is that before they take their vote they really understand what they're voting on which is this motion would not bring items back in two weeks would not bring this by the item before the council back in two weeks okay this particular vote and the budget adjustment it would just bring the item before you just this one okay so that motion is direct the finance director to come back at a future meeting beyond that with a budget adjustment and then the human resource director at a future meeting beyond that to do that that's the motion on that's okay and city clerk am I are you following me okay okay and then the second part to that is um is it clear to the city council of what information would be coming in the next two weeks so my understanding from the discussions that the council's had if this motion passes to continue the item that the administration will go back and look at another funding plan and bring that back to the council um different than the one that's currently before you and that's what I want to make sure before I call for the voters that you all understand what would happen in the next two weeks so council member Ray I'm sorry a funding plan or a prioritization of initiatives plan because the funding plan is the funding plan and I I haven't heard anybody say well that's not true I've heard concern about some of the funding plan but the thing that's driving the the continuance isn't the funding plan it's the thing that's not in the motion at all which is about prioritization of of uh initiatives so I I continue to go back to what are we going to do in the next two weeks if we if we wait I mean I don't care about waiting so much but I want to know what are you going to do so Madam mayor councilmember Ray if the motion on the floor passes um and talking with director moon this afternoon we were looking specifically at laughing Jacobs Creek and we believe again that Grant has not been received we are not cannot do work on the project until the grant is received if we receive the grant the grant has a match that match is being taken away in order to balance the package that's before you so we believe we would come back to the council and the match plus a couple of other requirements is 175 000 correct yes the City match is 175 000 and then we would need additional project management so we would either come back to you and say Here's another project that we would say you don't we aren't going to do in order to have that 175 thousand dollars if the grant happens and that may be from from balance it may be from Reit um it may be from some other General Source we have no non-general fund Source available to uh well Reit would be a non-general fund Source this would likely be from the stormwater fund as well from the storm water fund so that's what we would do to come because I don't believe again we've in the work that we've done in the last day on this there's a lot of other choices quite honestly but if the choice was that we needed to have laughing Jacob's Creed move forward in order for the council to approve this plan then we would find 175 thousand dollars to have just in case the grant happens if the grant doesn't happen we have no resources to move forward with this it would remain in the budget and hopefully we would come up with another plan probably as part of the 24 biennium revision to fund this project without the grant that's council member Ray that's the specific piece of this that we would work on over the next two weeks uh councilmember hunt um I just wanted to make it clear that having that additional information is the intent of the motion so I wanted to make sure that the motion would get us that information but it sounds like it does so thank you any other comments before I call for the vote seeing none um could you reread the motion for me City Clerk sure it's to continue this item to the April 17 2023 city council meeting thank you so the motion on the table is to continue this item to the April and read my own writing 18th 17th 2020 2023 city council meeting all those in favor indicate by saying aye aye aye all those opposed indicate by saying nay nay council member hunt I didn't catch your vote three eyes and four Nays so the motion does not proceed back to the original motion that's on the table does anybody want to continue to speak to the motion Deputy Council or sorry council president thank you um so I heard councilmember Ray earlier talk about infrastructure debt and that really was striking to me and it kind of made me change my perspective on some of this I think I think much like our budgets in the past and our CIP discussions in the past have been very much a scarcity mindset they've been a we only have this bucket and we have to make decisions between things and I think that is exactly why we are con reconsidering the CIP including the funding sources so if I take that as part of my perspective on this I think there's still the niggling question of how do we manage these operation costs in the future but it does give a different perspective on how we manage our CIP projects toward being able to complete the projects that our community relies on that we decide are important priorities and all of that and so I was trying to fit all of these things in to this past mindset or framework we've used for the budget but we really are kind of transitioning toward this idea of what are the projects now let's figure out how the funding goes and I think that from my perspective changes things around on this so at this point I'm going to support this and I Look to having some future conversations about how we how we work on those prioritizations how we understand what all of the needs are in all of the Departments and all of the project needs so that we can better conceptualize this idea in the future thank you council president any other comments before I call for the vote on the motion uh City administrator yes thank you uh there is another piece of director Moon's presentation that kind of got passed over and that is the future question um and I think you might want to expand upon this um we have not budgeted properly staff resources for a lot of these projects that in some cases the general fund has subsidized uh projects because we have not adequately build the time of the individuals and so as we are working on 25 and well it's really 24 but 25 and beyond that is a key change that public work staff is working on so the true cost of these projects will be represented with the appropriate Staffing and so that means projects may increase in cost but at least you're paying for it up front versus having the general fund subsidize it by staff that aren't being paid for by these projects that have a fair explanation it is it's going to require a little bit of Staff analysis to try to get the numbers correct but indeed we're going to go through an effort of trying to look at what Staffing Resources are needed on each project and how can we cost account do some project accounting back to the Project's cost this is not uncommon to index positions to projects and to reflect the Staffing costs in the project budget but we have not done that as we developed the next CIP we've already been in motion with that I I went into this weight we would need to come back and kind of have that conversation with you there's a lot of movement between funds and and individual positions are split sometimes across five funds so it's a little more complicated than it might seem and that's why I think as as director Boone showed you the costs associated with 23 and 24 because we figure by 25 we'll have figured it out maybe not completely for 24. so that as far as if there's concern that you're adding costs to the Future you're adding costs to the Myriad of projects in the Myriad of funding sources these are not going to be direct ads to the general fund and we should have it pretty well figured out in time for a budget for 25. I'm going to councilmember hunt and if anyone else has any final comments just raise your mic councilmember thank you um I will not be supporting this and it really has to do with the implied changes to the project uh work plan and specifically the Kokanee very important project for cooking I think we we still have an opportunity to consider that if we do get the Grant and I look forward to hearing from Public Works director Moon if we do get that Grant um but this is very important for for us for our partners in the Kokanee work group for the Snoqualmie tribe um super important project and we're it's implied in this bill that we are not going to fund it and fund other things instead so I won't be supporting that but I look forward to having continued conversations about how we can um support this important little redfish population that we really have a unique responsibility to protect thanks thank you councilmember hunt uh councilmember Mertz I I just want to put a bookmark on uh what the city administrator said if we um next time we do a budget if we have an ability to talk about positions that are essentially Grant funded that are effectively Grant funded as opposed to forever I mean a full-time position is a full-time position but I could Envision having a more valuable conversation next time we have budget if we say these things are essentially Grant funded and these things are essentially general fund long I don't want to say long term because it you know what I mean like I think that'll be important because if we if we're ramping up our grant activities I don't want to have that conflate my annual conversation about um not increasing our uh per capita cost in real dollars right I want to be able to understand what was a natural result of an increased Grant uh activity thanks great um council member Joe I just um had a clarification question for City administrator we didn't get the grant for laughing Jacobs Trail in this last cycle laughing Jacob's Creek thank you what did I say laughing Trail there is a trail there though okay thank you um but if we do get the Grant in the second cycle um what would the administration do with that money would you take that grant money and try to find the matching money from the ending fund balance or other source so if we did get the grant later in the year this project would still potentially go forward is that true yes I think the question just is the timing okay thank you very much appreciate it councilmember Joe any more comments before I read this really long motion not seeing a hand not seeing microphones raised so the motion before the council is to authorize four hundred and ten thousand dollars in professional service funding for Public Works project and franchise management assistance and to authorize the following new positions 1.0 FTE signal technician 1.0 FTE senior engineer capital projects manager for utilities engineering 1.0 FTE senior engineer capital projects manager for transportation engineering 1.0 FTE Capital program and franchise manager and to direct the Human Resources Director to revise the salary ordinance to add the new classification for the capital program and franchise manager and to direct the financial officer to bring forward a subsequent 2023-24 budget amendment to fund the Professional Services and additional positions all those in favor signify by saying uh those opposed nay um that passes with a six to one vote thank you very much the next item of business tonight is our committee in Regional reports and we'll start with council member Joe thank you on April 12th the ltch committee will be meeting um we are looking to brainstorm ways to effectively promote the ltch program with groups beyond the circle of groups that we have have traditionally seen asked for funding and see if we can kind of broaden the uh the aperture a little bit more April 18th the Cascade water Alliance finance committee will be meeting and Chris Ray will be attending that meeting April 19th is a public affairs meeting for Cascade water Alliance and I will be attending that meeting that concludes my report thank you thank you councilmember Joe councilmember D Michelle thank you on April 21st I co-chaired the connect to community Advisory Group to the healthier here board connect to community is getting ready for a soft launch this month we're so excited of the Community Information exchange Network We Are all uh just very excited just a reminder that the ciece CEI will be a platform where health and Behavioral Health Specialists will be able to share patient information and develop virtual care teams focus on the best outcomes for people with co-occurring conditions so if you need to think about it a little bit different way think about the together Center as a brick and mortar concept that is similar to the virtual cie and that's exactly what we're trying to accomplish is break down the barriers between health and Behavioral Health so we're very excited going to launch here in just the next week or so and you'll be hearing more about it that on April 29th I attended the Eastside Human Services Forum lunch and learn and we heard from the Human Services Managers from Bellevue Kirkland Redmond Sammamish and Issaquah about the Human Services priority for each Community it was a really really informative session and lots of good questions lots of good discussions I learned a lot and our own Monica negrila provided an outstanding presentation so I distributed a summary of the content to the council earlier anyone interested in getting that same document please contact me but it does I think provide a good overview of all of the concerns the top concerns of Human Services people on the east side and I'm also was I'll have to say I was remiss in not inviting you to attend and I will not make that mistake at our next forum that we put on for eastside Human Services Forum because this was just a really exciting and outstanding session so thank you thank you councilmember 8. the council mobility and infrastructure committee will not be meeting this month and that concludes my report thank you councilman Mertz thanks Madam mayor the sound cities Association public issues committee will be meeting this Wednesday April 12th in person for the first time in a long time so look out rent and here we come um and meeting at six o'clock for uh for a little beverage I think before the seven o'clock formal meeting start uh no actions are planned but we will be discussing the legislative session and Wastewater rates and Regional water quality governance and uh veterans seniors and Human Services Levy but again none of this is expected to have action taken and uh I also have a committee that's not meeting this month services safety and Parks uh does not have any agenda items for the month of April but I know that we're already cooking up good things for May this concludes my report thank you councilmember and council member had I apologize for skipping over you did a great job sending out an email update would you care to read that or would you care to have council president read it your choice um I can read it good but thank you thanks yeah um so on March 28th the city council Planning Development and environment committee met when we had two items the first item was that we discussed id1394 comprehensive plan periodic update and scope and with this comp plan update there will also be a full Eis environmental impact statement for the project we reviewed the elements that will be updated in the comp plan which includes land use housing Mobility Capital facilities utilities Parks Economic Development and two items that aren't required but that are already in the comp plan so these would be updates to existing items and those are a cultural element and a human services element so after discussing that these two non-required items would be a Light Lift because the work has largely already been done for example in the Human Services strategic plan the committee did support the scope of the update as recommended by the administration we also were asked to weigh in on if analysis of parking should cover Central Issaquah or Citywide um so only Central or Citywide and we unanimously agreed in committee that parking analysis should be Citywide um and we also um discussed that Council has waited on this previously so we wanted to make sure that we were internally consistent with our past conversations on this and felt that that analysis should be Citywide and should also cover best practices and Recent research on on parking we also reviewed and supported the engagement plan for the comp plan update which includes an emphasis on equity and which will include um working with the equity commission and will also include engagement in multiple languages which we thought was very important and overall the committee felt that the title 18 land use code update which we are nearing the end of um which a lot of Staff work went into a lot of council work and a lot of community engagement that that would be a solid foundation for this comp plan update so the administration is recommending that an item come forward at a on consent at a subsequent council meeting not not tonight but at a different meeting that would formalize the scope of the comp plan update I wanted to flag this for Council because the comp plan is a big is a big um is a big policy body of work and this is sort of the first scoping conversation that we've had but it is an intermediate and a long process and so it is a bit unusual to have something come out of committee at an intermediate step and go to Council on consent but um since the administration felt that this was this was important and since this is a big and important and complex undertaking and sort of an exception we wanted to give an opportunity for Council to weigh in now so I will raise this and go to the order but we also um did did agree with the administration's recommendation which would be that this scope be formalized in a agenda bill that would be on consent at a future meeting so that council could kind of approve approve that in a formal way so again I will raise that I go to the order in case in case there are any questions for me or my fellow committee members on the comp plan scope update um then also we had one other item which was id1340 public contractor code of conduct and this code was based on the private contractor code of conduct the council recently incorporated into our municipal code on March 7th all there were a few changes that were made in the private version for example providing for flexibility and shaping the communication and Outreach plan because in the case of a City Contractor working on a city project it is often actually the city that is managing that engagement or those signs and one other important difference between the public and private code is that the private code is recommended to be included as an appendix to the city's construction contracts rather than incorporated into Municipal Code so this was recommended by both the public works department as well as the City attorney to do this and then um sorry uh attachment appendix to the city's Construction contract rather than have a second code in the municipal code to address City projects the committee requested some additional Clarity around where the changes to the code says things like as may be required and the committee also asked that the communications part of the code be Rewritten to focus on the role of the contractor and the committee requested that the administration bring back more information to the committee about the role of the city on that Communications and public engagement and signage Etc um which will will be the responsibility of the city so we felt we needed more information on that and the committee did ultimately support this item returning to Council on consent at a future meeting with those requested changes and clarifications the next meeting of the Planning Development environment committee will be on May 2nd and we currently have two items ID 1403 comp plan update housing and land use and ID 1431411 building and fire code adoption thank you thank you councilmember Deputy council president um thank you really briefly just to announce that the next board of directors meeting for eastside fire and rescue is next Thursday at 4 pm at our headquarters on Newport Way Northwest this is our board orientation for the year and will include this year an informational update on our deployment model so that way we can all be good Advocates of operations and how ether goes about doing that I am trying to get it recorded so we can send it out to the rest of the council and anyone who else who might want to get a better understanding of the deployment model for ether so stay tuned on that thank you council president thank you I also have a short report the next meeting of the growth management policy board is on this Thursday April 6th the agenda includes adopting the um or recommending the adoption of the Kitsap county-wide planning um planning policies forget what CPP stands for but the county-wide plans basically plus a discussion item on the 2024 comprehensive plan outreached cities and finally information about the Puget Sound Regional council's summer activities they're doing a planning Academy for students and so if you know any students that are interested in planning trying to get them in young this year apparently thanks thank you council president next on to the mayor's report there will be an executive session this evening to discuss pending or potential litigation for RCW 42.30.110 paren one print I the items are expected to take approximately 30 minutes and no action is anticipated to follow an open session um this is pretty exciting council member D Michelle has participated this event before but we have now got for a second year in a row a youth volunteering in Issaquah has been awarded the association of Washington City Center for qualities qualities Community scholarships so this year Rishi hasra has been awarded a scholarship from the association of Washington City's Center for qualities communities Rishi is a Skyline High School ASB president and is a regular youth member on his quiz environmental board as the mayor I would like to thank him for his outstanding service to our community and congratulate him on a scholarship we are now seeking nominations are now open for the Issaquah Hall of Fame award this is a top honor for individuals who made a lasting contribution to our community each year the mayor and council president select a person to induct into the Issaquah Hall of Fame for their exemplary record of inspiration leadership and service the award will be presented virtually at the Chamber of commerce's annual Issaquah Community Awards event on May 24th and nominations can be submitted at isqua.gov nominate the deadline for nominations is 5 PM April 28th the civil emergency proclaimed on March 6 2020 due to the covid-19 pandemic is terminated as of April 3rd 2023 and the exercise of the emergency authority vested to the mayor by chapter 38.52 RCW is no longer necessary the City of Issaquah shall continue to follow health and safety guidance issued by the Department of Public Health Seattle and King County and the Centers for Disease Control so there's a few upcoming events to share April 5th is Passover which is one of the Jewish holidays recognized on a religious and cultural calendar April 8th there will be an underwater egg hunt this is an egg hunt at Julia's bone pool from two o'clock to 4 pm please bring your families in a basket to collect your eggs for this event and pre-registation is required April 8th we will be having a recycling event so to encourage the use of recycled content material and more efficient use of water the city is offering rain barrels at a huge discount in addition start backyard composting with a compost bin to save resources and money composting is a natural process that turns yard waste into rich soil yard waste contains mostly water and once the material decomposes rich soil is all that's left wormbing composting is an efficient way to convert kitchen scraps into nutrient-rich compost for your garden these are simple to assemble and can be stored in or outside items are all made from recycled plastic and the last event and activity is the sustainability Fair on April 16th so come and join us for our inaugural sustainability Fair which is sure to inspire and engage you Pickering Barn will be packed with vendors from 10 a.m to 2PM that offer sustainable products resources education materials kids activities and much much more you can learn more about the fair at esqua.gov sustainability fair and that concludes the mayor's report the next item on our agenda this evening is the good of the order so what have we got for good there to start with council president and then Deputy council president thank you um I have a few items first of all I wanted to announce to the council and community members that um before our next council meeting on April 17th we are having a reception for the Ruth keys and Community environmental award recipients um so please make a note on your calendars if that's there um second we had a community listening session that was great and so last week we held a community listening session at Atlas Apartments Council and staff heard from eight to ten residents many of whom hadn't really previously engaged with the city and we heard about a variety of issues including Creek flooding property crime the homeless population and more just wanted to appreciate the staff who came out and helped us with that and then the community members who came down and had some deep conversations got a chance to speak to us all one-on-one um and then the final item so as you heard in the mayor's report the mayor has ended the proclamation for covid-19 emergency one of the things I wanted to bring up to council is that one of our policies that we started there that isn't technically in our rules of procedure or required as part of our um agenda items we've been summarizing emails received from community members at the top of that agenda item and this was started when community members couldn't attend meetings in person to have their voice heard but since then we've obviously reopened in-person meetings but we've also added virtual attendance options so it could be said that people actually have more access to be able to voice their concerns than they ever had before so given all of that I'd like to ask the council either tonight or via email to talk to me or call me whatever about what your opinions are on keeping or discontinuing that practice I think we are at a time when we could recognize whether that is still useful for us or not so I would love to hear more and I will hear from you guys I would guess over emails so those were the three items thank you thank you council president Deputy council president sure unless there's anyone that wanted to give feedback on that right away I think um councilman council member I thought she has a separate thing well okay so we'll go to Deputy council president and then council member hunt um yeah just really quickly I wanted to say as part of our consent calendar we had an informational update on the public engagement toolkit and the update that's been done there and if you didn't get a chance to look at it it is excellent I want to thank Autumn Monahan and Thomas rush I believe are the two people involved in that so thank you for your hard work on that um the equity board I went back and watched some of the equity board feedback so I appreciate them being involved in this process in a genuine way and that their feedback was made into the engagement toolkit and also if you go and look at the toolkit there are these fun worksheets that product managers and different city staff will actually be able to use now so it's almost less of a document that you keep on the shelf and one that you're referring to constantly and writing and using in your daily work so I just think that's excellent I want to call out our city staff for being creative in the space and thank you for your excellent work very nice um council member hunt thank you I um as I said in my committee report we do have a comp plan update coming up that will go through the Planning Development and environment committee but it will also um very much rely on input from the full Council and have um parts of that process that go through the full Council um and so as such I wanted to as we're starting on that I wanted to put it forward for my fellow council members if there is feedback on that scope um that I that I spoke to earlier we did as a committee ultimately recommend the same scope as was recommended by the administration and we also felt like Title 18 sets us up well for understanding where we're going with this comp plan update and I wanted to check in with my fellow council members and see if they had thoughts or questions feedback on that to give an opportunity now anyone commenting this evening and if not always available to send comments to our council member by email thank you very much councilmember hunt anyone else I'm going to add a few little things and then do some calendar dates not seeing anybody um the reason I had mentioned councilmember D Michelle and the AWC scholarship was because she had the great privilege of going to any AWC convention and awarding one to our last year scholarship winner I just want to remind you all that that is happening in Spokane and if you're not sure of the dates we'll make sure to send it out to you again it's an excellent networking and advocacy event and we definitely need someone to present to Rishi I am going but you should go too the second one I just want to let the council know next week on the National Association of counties pilot project that we're working on about Integrated Systems of care we have our second site visit and I will be taking a mirror from our human services department and going to Kansas and visiting two different counties who have very different levels of [Music] technology and Cooperative agreements in place on models of Integrated Systems of care so I think this is something that our county is hoping to do as well city of escrow got invited into the pilot project because we're a strange little city that happens to have a court a jail a police department a human services team Community Court and so we actually are a tiny little microsum of what counties are dealing with across country so pretty excited about that and then there's the upcoming Council meetings Monday April 17th the anticipated agenda items include informational update on annual crime statistics public hearing on Title 18 land use code update storm and surface water master plan preferred cross-section for TR project tr028 the Northwest samage wrote Sammamish Road non-motorized Improvement project and on Monday April 24th the committee of whole the anticipated agenda items include affordable housing and City Hall planning future options so those are all the items for good of the order our next item is an executive session I think we take a five minute recess and allow everybody to grab a drink of water or whatever else you need so I will read us into executive session and then we'll take a quick break the next item of business is the executive session and the city council will now recess into executive session to discuss pending potential litigation for RCW 42.30 0.110 paren one parent I this item is expected to take 30 minutes and no action is anticipated in Open Session executive sessions are closed to the public so we will now recess into executive session at 9 12 pm and I asked the city clerk to move the city council and any relevant staff into a separate session within this meeting anyone who is not part of the closed session can remain in the main meeting and you are welcome to stay in the meeting until it is reconvened so we are entering executive session you have your break