should be the motion that the committee
welcome everyone
I'm calling the July 2nd regular City
Council meeting to order and I'd like to
ask any of those who would like to join
the council myself and the Pledge of
Allegiance to please thank you the first
item on their agenda this evening is
audience comments this is your time to
come up and address the council the
guidelines for audience comments are on
the meeting agenda and those who have
signed up to speak will be called up
first if you didn't sign up I will still
ask for other speakers before I close
this part of the meter meeting when
recognized please come up to the lectern
in the microphone that your name address
and relationship to the city and limit
your comments to three minutes if you
brought written comments piece them up
and hand them to the clerk as well if
your here is part of a group or speaking
on behalf of a group please identify
yourself as the spokesperson for the
group and those in the audience
supporting the comments made tonight
during audience comments I can raise
your hand to show the council that you
were supporting what was said if anyone
signed up to speak this evening tonight
there are none even Kapler would you
like to address the council I would I
would need more than three minutes if I
outline the process we went through in
the Old Town on the traffic calming but
it's turned out nobody's here hardly to
talk about it so I think a lot of people
are very happy so it's taken taking a
while but it's there and I think it's a
good model for dealing with similar
problems that occur in the city in the
future or are occurring now and people
are expecting resolution so thank you to
the staff in City and all good work Eve
thank you very much
is there anyone else who would like to
address the council this evening Connie
Marsh
so I'm Connie Marsh and I live up on
squawk Mountain and by definition I hate
it when you say three minutes because
there's always more than three minutes
worth to say so I would rather have the
standard be five and then we could be
brief and feel like we're being good
people I'm here for Old Town it's taken
years and years and years and years to
get something changed in Old Town and so
I want to congratulate whoever thought
to say let's do something for temporary
and see how it works and see what the
community has to say awesome the
gentlemen one of whom is not here did a
pretty good job with the neighbors
communication is super hard and so if I
was going to say anything
they had a great walk about and then
after the walk about in the neighborhood
it sort of fell off because it's hard to
get notification out to the
neighborhood's it hasn't been going on
next door and so it would be it would be
good to practice a consistent system for
this type of a thing I like the speed
bumps humps the neighbors had said that
that is what they wanted the chicanes
are going away that's what they said
they didn't want I like the consistency
between all the streets for the speed
bumps I don't like the alleys sort of
being left up in the air so what I would
like to see is I would like to see a
time certain for the alleys to be
considered and then to finish off the
feedback loop I would like to have a
report back in six months notifying the
neighbors to say what do you think now
now that they're in for good is this the
right is this the right thing can we
refine it in some way shape or form I
don't know if there's any data that can
be at
on for that report thank you Thank You
Connie
Wow it flashed orange green is there
anyone else who would like to address
the council this evening alas the second
time anyone else wishing to address the
council even this evening in a final
time anyone wishing to address the
council seeing none we'll move on to
committee and regional reports again
we'll start with councilmember hunt
thank you madam mayor I attended the
June 27th board meeting for a cascade
water alliance with mayor poly we heard
updates on several topics for a cascade
water Alliance one is about reclaimed
water there's a cascade is engaging in
ongoing discussions with King County and
other water providers about reclaimed
water and the goal is to find the best
way to use and regulate reclaimed water
taking into account the water system
plans of the of the cities and long-term
planning considerations and it also
reclaimed water just to define what
we're talking about here reclaimed water
is water derived in any part from
wastewater treatment system that has
been adequately treated so that it's no
longer considered waste water
we also heard some project updates about
mud mountain dam fish passage project in
the Lake Tapps Reservoir ongoing
maintenance including herbicide
application and we heard about a
education campaign of Cascade Water
Alliance which is a we need water
because is so it's we need water because
and they take social media and they have
some different props to encourage
conversation about why we need water and
then for most of the meeting we talked
about budget and rates and there are two
big policy considerations that we are
considering and those are about moving
to a two-year budget for the budgets and
rates and a lot of cities are on a
two-year budget so it would coincide
with the cities and then the other thing
would be to move to a two-year our CFC
rates and this is the regional capital
facilities charge so this is the charge
for adding new can
to the water system the and so we've
been discussing that but the adoption of
budgets and rates is slated for
September so it's an ongoing discussion
and the next meeting is July 25th at the
cascade water Alliance office in
Bellevue and this concludes my report
Thank You councilmember Rea Thank You
mayor Polly the services and Safety
Committee will be meeting on July 10th
at 6:30 in Council Chambers the agenda
at this time includes agenda bill 76 o6k
county funded homeless shelter and
services outside of seattle funding
request and the site Fire and Rescue
board will be meeting on July 12th at 4
o'clock and that agenda has not yet been
set and that concludes my report thank
you
council member Ramos Thank You mayor
both items from this Infrastructure
Committee around the agenda tonight so I
have no report we'll talk about it then
thank you very interesting thank you
this coming Thursday on July 5th I'll be
attending a meeting of the Puget Sound
Regional Council's growth management
policy board and a number of items on
the agenda include we're gonna vote on
this PSR C staffs recommendation for
full designation for regional growth
Center status for University Place
University Place recently completed a
sub area plan the last requirement they
needed to meet in order to achieve
regional growth Center status also as
part of the work to update the four
county regions long term manifesto known
as vision 2040 the board will have an
extended in-depth discussion about
housing and housing affordability with
the eventual goal to identify what PSR C
can do to help expand housing
opportunities within the region the
current version of vision calls for
doing a needs assessment and developing
a housing strategy and programs to
implement it but these have not been
completed the task now is to update the
strategy with the latest information and
in consideration of the many effort
efforts member jurisdictions have
undertaken such as our city of Issaquah
and what we're doing with our housing
strategy entering new PS our C's efforts
to provide value-added contributions to
helping with housing
affordability will also get a review and
input from the regional transit oriented
development Advisory Committee on
housing and we're gonna also receive a
presentation on the recently completed
regional open space conservation plan
and then we haven't had a meeting of the
lodging tax Advisory Committee recently
but I did want to report that the
destination marketing organization board
selection committee got started last
Friday and I think they will be issuing
a call for board applicants in the very
near future that concludes my report
thank you thank you madam mayor the City
Council's land and Shore Committee
meeting will meet July 5th 6:30 right
here in council chambers we have two
items are an agenda they are companion
bills agenda bill 76 14 high street
conversion in Issaquah highlands and
gender bill 7480
the West Ridge North preliminary plat
which is a quasi-judicial closed record
matter and this is the second time that
those items have been before the
committee so it is anticipated that the
committee will make a recommendation
that's just anticipated doesn't mean
well that's my report thank you thank
you
deputy council president batise thank
you madam mayor the Eastside Human
Services forum Board met on Thursday
July 21st and there were a couple of
pretty large items on the agenda first
was just the update of the work plan I
was just going to run through the four
points that are included in their work
plan the first is to engage and advocate
and address emergent Human Services
needs on the east side the second is to
impact local funding and policies the
third is to impact state and federal
funding and policies and the fourth is
to enhance forum capacity and strengthen
and develop new partnerships we also
went through a new report that has taken
oh I know over a year maybe two years to
to put together which is a funding
landscape assessment all across the east
side and I just pulled out a few because
way I know we've we've talked about this
when we've been looking at our own Human
Services needs so I just pulled out a
few key points that I was going to go
over respondents reported on average an
increase of 95 percent to their budgets
to fully achieve their missions having
to add that there was a 30% gap in
expenses of what is needed versus what
they need what what they are getting I'm
sorry
compliance is one of the the biggest
growth factors that they're experiencing
from a financial perspective is having
to do a lot more compliance and 70
percent of the agencies reported budgets
have not kept up with the service
demands so those were the key points
that came out of that East Side funding
landscape so that was interesting to go
through and that concludes my report
thank you council president marks thank
you madam mayor
so Sound City is the Association public
issues committee is going to meet next
Wednesday and that would be the 11th and
there is going to be a pre pick workshop
that I think council members might be
particularly interested in on vision
2050 I mean now in 2050 the Puget Sound
metropolitan is projected to grow up by
1.8 million people I was looking that up
that means that we would be by 2050 the
size of Philadelphia's metropolitan area
keeping up with the needs of our
region's fast growing population will
require a thorough planning and wise use
of resources to plan for that growth PSR
C recently launched two-tier effort to
extend the region's growth plan vision
2040 to the year 2050 provide a path
towards sustaining a healthy environment
thriving communities and strong autonomy
as region continues to grow we'll
identify challenges the region should
tackle together and lay the foundation
for local comprehensive plans the guide
how each city plans to for growth the
July pre pic workshop will continue will
provide sorry as CA members with an
overview of the scope of the 2050
planning update information on how
cities can stay involved in highlight in
Meishan trends that are shaping the
region and I will point out that the pre
picked meetings are open to anyone not
just the pic representatives or
alternates and we typically get many
representatives for instance our
neighbors to the north Sammamish always
sends a big crew not that we should be
competitive with Sammamish but I will
just point out this topic seems
particularly meaty there also then at
the regular pic meeting will be a
discussion on responsible recycling task
force updates on the healthy housing
guideline and recommendations the
regional affordable housing task force
and there will be a homelessness update
and if there are any action items to
come out any potential action items to
come out of that meeting I will report
back to Council that concludes my report
thank you now for the mayor's report
it's a little bit long this evening so
bear with me
meetings over the last couple of weeks
on June 20th they attended cascade water
alliances finance and management
committee meeting this preceded that
board meeting that I attended with
councilmember hunt last week I did send
you some questions or proposed budgeting
changes that cascade would like each of
its members to review with their boards
or councils so we can do that for good
at the good of the order this evening On
June 21st I attended the King County
members of the Parc transportation
policy board meeting almost the longest
name we reviewed a list of projects on
the 2018 king county wide grant program
and fund and the funding recommendations
and support does not have a program on
this particular list this list accounts
for about 35% of the money that PSR C
spends is in the in the countywide
bucket On June 28th I attended a WCS
annual business meeting in Yakima some
fun community outreach over the last few
weeks I was up in the highlands and did
a short video at Blakely hall for our
Issaquah an update on our strategic plan
I think that's available on the
Highlands Network June 19th I attended
one of the Highlands pop-up parties it
was at the brownstone Plaza it's a new
series of events that they're starting
this year with councilmember booties now
that I looked up June 20th I attended
the strategic planning community open
house at the is square deep
and on June 21st was there with several
other councilmembers councilmember
winter Stein attending the association
of volleyball professionals kickoff at
Lake Sammamish State Park on June 26th I
co-hosted a neighborhood meeting with
superintendent Ron Thiele II and it was
with the Darce neighborhood community
and we met at the Eskimo middle school
we talked about impacts over the last
five or more years to that neighborhood
due to the construction of the schools
and the capacity of the schools on June
27th I was a speaker at the East quad
comp
Kiwanis Club and on the 29th a guest
speaker up at Tallis for the a timber
bridge for the residents of timber Ridge
on July 2nd today I attended and gave
remarks at the oath of office ceremony
welcoming four of our new cadets we
welcomed four new police officers and
one new corrections officer today police
officers are headed to the Academy
they'll see them in about a year it's a
long haul for them provide an update on
a few of the issues that we have been
dealing with over the last several
months
cougar mountain Bergsma Update we have
been partnering with the trust for
public lands in exploring acquisition
options for the parcels known as the
Burke's my property but I have no new
information to provide this evening
squak talus community Metro project
update this is a project that several of
our council members have been interested
in tracking it's about transportation
options in in talus and on squad the
city has been supporting the King County
Metro Community Connections partnership
work with our squawk in Taos communities
to help develop solutions for mobility
that are well suited to the specific
needs of those hillside communities 540
residents and workers responded to a
survey to identify community specific
mobility needs the needs that were
identified from the survey are now being
applied to help shape concept solutions
with the intention that they include
providing frequent and reliable 24-hour
service they are well promoted in
multiple languages and that they're
focusing on connecting people to transit
centers right now the group is working
on the concepts and they will be
surveying the community and early
tonight July to get some input on the
options that they bring for it
update on Taos parcel 9:30 in late
November 2015 movement was detected in
the parcel nine hillside with safety as
our top priority immediate and ongoing
mitigation measures have been taken on
June 18 2018 the city of Issaquah filed
a two point eight eight million dollar
claim against the property owner of
parcel nine for the damages and cost
incurred by the city related to the
hillside movement the city has is
working with the law firm Skell injure
bender to represent our interest in this
matter
parties are agreeing to try mediation
which is tentatively scheduled for this
fall an update on the Northwest Gilman
Boulevard corridor project this is the
portion of Gilman that runs from State
Route 900 to Front Street City is
hosting a community workshop on July 11
2008 een at 6:00 p.m. and the Pickering
burn the purpose of the workshop is to
Scott to discuss the goals for Gilman
Boulevard existing corridor assets that
should be protected or enhanced and
challenges and opportunities that could
be addressed with this project if you
can't attend the workshop you can see
the project's webpage at WWE so our van
and you can take our online survey
before it closes on July 13th purpose of
the survey is to document the project
goals and identify the range of possible
improvements for Gilman Boulevard and
that concludes the mayor's report
proceeding to the consent calendar the
consent calendar was distributed to
council in advance if authorized the
audit items on the consent calendar will
be considered together and approved in
one motion of the payables and payroll
been reviewed okay is it okay to approve
the consent calendar with it it is okay
there's any councilmember desire to
remove any item from the consent
calendar and consider it under regular
business is there a request to
you want could you make wouldn't you
care to make emotion comes pretty right
it's just some extra words hey I don't
think I need yes I the consent calendar
as listed in today's agenda second is
there a request to move anything from
the consent calendar no I have this one
here it's been moved and seconded all in
favor signify by saying aye
aye as opposed motion carries
unanimously
we have one item under regular business
this evening a B 761 old town traffic
calming funding request this is a
request to approve and authorize
additional funding and authorize a
contract this is coming out of the
council Infrastructure Committee and I'd
like to invite ritzy men I have John
Martinson written down but it looks like
Curt is here to make a presentation
thank you Mary Polly it's a quad council
happy to be here I've got a fairly brief
presentation to go through that just
what it goes through the old town
traffic calming story very briefly and
gets us quickly to where we are tonight
so as you all know as it's been
mentioned by many folks we've been
working in Old Town with traffic calming
issues for many years probably starting
where the sunset interchange maybe
before that left turns put on sunset all
those kinds of things and most recently
we've heard a lot of neighborhood
feedback now's the time to get serious
about traffic calming in Old Town both
for traffic speeds through Old Town and
traffic volume so we began a pilot
project that was meant to gather
neighborhood feedback collect traffic
data and most important try some devices
that we thought would have
a good opportunity for success to
address both a speeding and the cut
through traffic in old town so we began
the pilot project with a variety of
traffic calming devices there's a
variety of speed hump type devices some
of them have passed like this one that
you can see that allow like fire trucks
to go through we experiment with
different spacing we had no left turn
signs covered put bags over them about
halfway through the process and all
through this process we were gathering
data both speeds volumes and also
probably most importantly community data
I think we received well over 300
community comments on this project I
think was very successful in terms of
getting the devices out there giving
people a chance to see how they work as
we mentioned the the speed humps are the
preferred device out there this gives
you it's a little bit hard to read but
it gives you an idea that we try to wear
a variety of devices out here in the
pilot program now we're looking at so
this was table speed tables humps
chicane so less popular device traffic
circle and that's about it so out of
that all that work we are proposing a
more permanent traffic calming
installation in old town which this
would entail removing the temporary
devices and coming back immediately and
installing permanent devices and these
these devices are all based on all of
the input we got from the from the pilot
project both the speed data and the
citizen data we are adding a couple
devices you'll see here in your map
that's in your packet I'm not sure how
well this will come up on the screen
that we are really streamlining the
devices were going with speed humps
generally throughout old town with the
exception of
the ones traffic circle which could look
something like this
and we are proposing it's our
recommendation to permanently remove the
no left turn signs we felt that when we
bagged them halfway through the pilot
program there was no special significant
change in either speeds or cut through
traffic
in addition based on input we received
from council Infrastructure Committee
and the public last week we are
proposing an additional speed hump on
Andrews Street so here they are perhaps
a little bit hard to read but pretty
simple to read really the purple
oval-shaped devices are all speed humps
and they are there's three of them along
alder Street on the north in the
vicinity here basically one per block
and then one at the entrance to the
North sunset
neighborhood and then a few more devices
this is where we saw the bulk of our
speeds and cut through traffic on the
south side of Sunset
so for device is actually on Bush along
here two devices on Andrews this was
where we added one there was previously
two to see I see there was one device in
this vicinity czar now we're pulling to
have we've always proposed to have a
traffic circle at the location here
because it it has a great impact on
speed and cut through in all four
directions there's an additional speed
hump proposed on fourth and then two on
six which was another Street that had a
lot of a lot of the cut through volumes
and speeds so there's been some
conversation about the alleys and
although this wasn't really a focus of
our initial pilot program we appreciate
that alley speeding and volumes may
continue to be an issue out there so we
are proposing to gather data traffic
counts and speeds for the alleys both
north and south of Sunset starting this
summer
getting a baseline of what's going on
out there this summer we know that
things change after school so then
coming back early fall after schools
back in session with a second set of
data and then analyzing that data and
determining what mitigation measures may
be appropriate if they're warranted and
our plan is to come back to CIC to
counsel CIC committee this fall with
those findings and recommendations
specific to the alley and most
importantly we're recommending to
council that we move forward in
approving its agenda bill which will
allow us to move forward and installing
these devices and that's all I have
Thank You Kurt a lot of questions hurt
its member Goodman thank you I have two
questions we heard a comment tonight
about there was a plan to follow up to
see how it's working I check back in can
you tell me what if that's so possible
and why are why not so I thought that
was a great idea we hadn't honestly we
hadn't planned to do that but it's a
great idea and we have enough data out
there certainly both from the pilot
program and going forward and data that
we'll have from the alleys certainly it
would be worth our while I'd honestly be
interested in hearing how the community
feels that it's working in six months so
we'll certainly I'll work with a
communications group here and see what
we can do to go back and pull the
community about how we're doing that's
always helpful to us as well thank you
we also received a comment since CI
since infrastructure about the word
permanent sure I'm interested I don't
have that and that seemed didn't seem to
be didn't seem to rise to a concern for
me but I want to hear what what you're
thinking about the use of the word
permanent what that means sure so it's a
great question so permanent we're using
the word permanent as in as opposed to a
pilot program when temporary devices so
permanent meaning we're going to remove
those temporary
devices which are typically rubber
rubber curbing and rubber bumps that are
nailed into the pavement removing those
and replacing them with permanent
asphalt becomes like you see in the
picture here I think if I heard some of
the comments from the community I think
one of the concerns with permanent was
this idea that we're going to do this
work in Old Town and then we'll say ok
we're done Old Town we're never coming
back and working with you in any way and
so that's just simply not the case are
any in Old Town anymore than anywhere
else in town and so where we feel I feel
like we've built a good relationship
with the Old Town Committee we certainly
want to maintain that and I think this
six-month idea of doing a follow-up is a
great one great way to do that but
certainly even in a shorter time than
the six months if there are things that
come up or things that we need to adjust
or change we're always looking for ways
to improve our transportation system
citywide in every community so permanent
in no way means we're done see you good
luck it means we're installing these
devices Thanks and then one more
question the removal of the signs yes
the no signs what's the harm in keeping
them there so yeah that's a good
question
I guess I would answer that by saying
the harm is well first of all as I
mentioned we did not our data didn't
show that they provide any additional
benefit the speeds and the cut through
traffic were reduced with a pilot
program with the signs there there were
no changes when we covered the sign so
our conclusion there is that the signs
really had no impact I guess to answer
your question about the harm a couple of
things come to mind one we don't really
want to have a lot of extra signs we've
got so many signs around the city as it
is we don't want science that really
don't
that aren't obeyed or followed if these
signs for them to really have impact
probably needs some some police
enforcement which has not been happening
in the past so I guess the short answer
is I don't think we need them I think
this this program that we have planned
the permanent installations works to
reduce traffic and so they're not
necessary they limit local behavior as
well if they're left in place well
that's another that's another good point
if one of the advantages of not having
them there is it allows local traffic to
make turns into their neighborhood in a
more direct way than they might have to
if they have to go down the second and
come back around let's say so so no
one's breaking the law with the signs
covered or gone and they can move they
can drive around their neighborhood on
the grid that was established for them
to drive around the neighborhood on so
that's another that's a that's a great
point actually of a reason to not have
the side place going forward thank you
thank you the traffic circles in council
Infrastructure Committee we talked about
some different options for what a
traffic circle could look like in the
final product and so I wondered if you
could explain the process that you will
use to decide what option they what
option you go with for the traffic
circle sure that's that's a really good
question I did we did discuss that a bit
in CIC and so one of the exciting
opportunities with this traffic circle I
think is we have an opportunity to
engage the neighborhood going forward
not so much in the design but of the
circle itself and the diameter and those
kinds of things will be relying on
traffic engineering judgment for that
but what happens on the inside of the
circle has some options and one of the
things that other jurisdictions City of
Seattle for example do
say if there's enough interest and
enough commitment from the neighbors
especially adjacent to the traffic
circle to maintain the traffic circle
we'd like to be open to that we'd like
to explore that opportunity for some
kind of a landscaping or some kind of a
treatment that we would work together
with a neighborhood to do in the center
we are not proposing irrigating the the
circle just because of the cost but
certainly if the neighbors were
interested in putting some low plants
there that wouldn't obstruct sight
distance and that they would maintain I
think we would be open to that we
haven't done to my knowledge haven't
done anything like that before but it
sounds interesting and certainly if we
can get some interest from the
neighborhood we'll be exploring that
going forward as we design this circle
thank you and I have one more question
there is a lot of other neighborhoods
around that have traffic issues and
similar concerns as the this old town
neighborhood had as far as the need for
traffic calming and as I understand it
the temporary devices can be moves
that's one of the benefits of using a
temporary devices in a pilot system and
so I wondered if you could talk a little
bit about next steps for the temporary
devices what what's the plan as far as
using them elsewhere in the city so
you're right those those that is a great
benefit of having these temporary pilot
program devices one thing that we know
that we need to do citywide is have a
more current more I would say useful and
more applicable traffic calming program
citywide so we're in the we're in the
process of updating our citywide traffic
calming program which currently the one
we have on the books now I think dates
to the early 2000 so that's getting
pretty old so we're in the process of
looking at best practices in the region
and taking those best practices and
applying to applying them to what we're
going to do here as well as all of the
good things that we've learned on this
pilot program so short answer is we're
going to be updating our traffic calming
program citywide
yes there may be opportunities to use
these devices in other parts of town but
we feel like the first most important
step initially is to update that traffic
calming program that's a work item a
2018 work item still left to do so we're
hopefully planning to come back to
council CIC with more to come on that
traffic calming citywide program this
fall great so Kurt on page 197 of the
packet there's a financial breakdown of
all the costs associated with with
putting in the permanent traffic calming
measures could you just walk through
that I can and and you can skip over
from my point of view what speed humps
and traffic circles are but I'm kind of
curious about what the other things
include I'm gonna find it here without
going through hundred ninety-seven pages
so sure it's a short list and it's an
engineer's estimate and pretty standard
stuff there's unit prices for speed amps
and traffic circles as you mentioned
traffic control is the amount that we'll
need to pay the contractor to provide
traffic control during the installation
of the of the devices removal of
temporary devices is pretty
self-explanatory our plan there is to
somewhat sequentially or mostly
sequentially remove devices as we
install new ones so that we're never
really without traffic calming devices
on any of the streets a minor change is
a is a standard contract item that is in
there too just to cover any unforeseen
conditions and then mobilization is a
standard item as well that that
compensates the contractor for showing
up bringing all their equipment and
getting the site ready for construction
and then there in addition there is some
contingency on that estimate as you can
see and construction management is from
RN to manage the contract and the
construction thank you interesting thank
you
a couple of my questions already this
won't be a fantastic one however just so
I understand the data that's in the
report on the tables where you have the
data summary where you have the counts
just tell me a little bit about that I
you have are those I imagine that are
those are like average per day in some
window of time just where do those what
are those counts right so without
getting into all the messy details there
what you saw I don't know exactly all
what you have in your packet but just
looking at what I have in the agenda
bill that's what I have okay so that's
theirs it looks like what we've
summarized here and there's a lot more
data behind what you see here is just to
pick an example Bush Street so there was
three times where we collected data
April 2017 November 2017 and January
2018 this we put a variety of speed
counters throughout the neighborhood so
we can find out exactly where this
location was but in general it's a long
Bush and it measures both the number of
cars number of vehicles and then the
85th percentile speed which very briefly
is the speed at which 85% of the cars
are going or or less so 85% of cars for
example in this eastbound Bush Street
example are going 29 miles an hour or
less is that a does that know that
doesn't answer okay the next column over
there are the counts right so those are
the those like per day or in a window of
time during the day those would be
typically date those would be typically
average daily counts so X 200 vehicles
that day I believe yes okay so that's a
full 24-hour le that's that's all I was
wondering okay and we can certainly
provide any more data if you'd like I
just wanted to understand the numbers I
look at counts and there's 20-some trips
is that for a two-hour period or is it a
24-hour period
thank you was it emotes thank you madam
mayor I'm two questions so I come from
Minnesota and they don't do these speed
hump things because it's bad for plows
so I have a question about we don't get
snow a lot but we do sometimes get snow
do we have any operational concerns I
mean oh I know we have a couple other
places the city we have speed humps but
if you have any operational concerns
about adding these speed humps to in
terms of the city's response to snow
events we we do we've worked closely
concerns is a fair word we work closely
with our operations folks and they have
concerns as you mentioned snow is not a
huge big deal here but when it snows
we like to plow our streets this is not
these are not our primary streets first
of all and but yes they're going to have
to use an additional amount of care on
these speed humps that they would not
have to if they weren't there so it's a
trade-off it's it's a similar kind of
embedded in your question but there's
similar concerns with a East Side Fire
and Rescue in response time same idea
they would prefer all else being equal
to not have them but they also
understand the pluses and minuses so I
think that in some ways applies both to
e4 and to our operations folks and then
the second part of my question is around
quality control so some of us have low
slung cars and if I was going to go over
to my friend council member Ramos his
house and how would I be confident that
I wouldn't be scraping the underside of
my car on these things so first of all
talk about so the typical speed hump is
a pretty standardized design nationwide
and it's not so this is a speed hump
that would be installed and right away
it's a very gradual I think it's about a
four inch height over about twelve feet
I'm not exactly those numbers may not be
exactly right but that's sort of the
scale of things so these are not what
you would see in a parking lot which are
fairly typically fairly short maybe only
a foot wide and maybe six inches tall
those are the
ones that will condemn Ajay loan cars
and really give you a jar that is not
what we're building here in an old town
but thank you for both those answers I
just have a follow-up on the cost number
so the construction management
that's our staffs time to manage the
work yes correct
yes are those resources new are those
already in the organization so those are
those are resources that we have are
typically the the way we do things is we
are inspectors in our engineers bill
against projects so I guess what I'm
really driving in there are those it's
part of what's coming before us is an
ask for new money net new money and I
think that those dollars already exist
right now so I think this ask is a
little bit inflated by that $50,000 okay
yeah I mean this is typically how we've
presented budgets so project budget yes
just so that the council can understand
the full costs what I was thinking is
that I think this makes sense I like
capturing all the costs including the
ones that are internal costs sure I
think when we get to the point of the
discussion about how many net new
dollars do we need to put into the
budget to fund this I don't think we
need that $50,000 I think those
resources are currently bad yes they are
those resources are budgeted thank you
thank you I just had a question
regarding the finances we have this the
recommendation is that this comes from
the school's own safety fund as opposed
to going forward in to the request for
the 2019 budget I and I'm not sure if
you have the answer to this but are
there other large projects that we would
be looking at that might be coming out
of that school's own fund safety fund
coming forward not that I'm not
immediately that I'm aware of this is
the only one
with a substantial amount of dollars
that's come and in fact I don't think
we've used this school this school fund
budget before so this is money that's
accumulated over the last few years and
it seemed like a good candidate seemed
like a good use of that money seems
consistent with the description of what
that money could be used for so that's
why we're proposing to take it from the
school we don't have if your question is
do we have other projects lined up to to
go against that money the answer's no
not not at this time
promise if you want to make a motion and
then as chair maybe provide a few
comments after yes I'll do there because
there was a few things in committee that
we didn't have absolutely 100% ironed
out so I'll read in motion here and then
I'll explain some of that parts of it so
move to approve the proposed
traffic-calming layout for Old Town as
one and to direct the finance director
to include three hundred ten thousand in
a subsequent 2018 budget amendment for
the Old Town traffic-calming project
utilizing school zone safety fund and
three authorize the administration to
enter into an execute construct
construction contract up to three
hundred ten thousand for removing the
temporary traffic calming devices and
installing traffic calming devices
consistent with the approved layout for
a second second it's been moved and
seconded and council member Ramos if
you'd like to give me so it's a little
more in-depth on because there's a few
things that from the committee meeting
three that I'll talk about first was
when we looked at the layout it was it
became obvious with with the there was
an additional from the temporary pilot
project there was an additional three
devices added and when we looked at all
that the it looked like Andrew Street
had much less devices than other streets
and it looks like I had a balance where
Andrews might be more attractive
folks then Bush so if you went around
the the 6th the bush way there was six
speed humps if you went the Andrews way
there was only two look at that and
there was a decision there we asked him
to look at Andrews and see if they could
consider doing something additional
Andrews which they did they added an
additional speed hump from what we
looked at it committee and that would be
between so between fourth and second
there be two versus one speed hump
everything else remaining the same so
that's the first item there was a change
their second item I did ask staff at
that time also to remove the word
permanent from being used and and that
was my request that wasn't done so it
was still there so I dropped those words
out of here because it gave the feeling
to two folks that this is a permanent
finished thing a hundred percent done
never gonna have to come back again and
look at it and things aren't permanent
you build them an asphalt nothing's
permanent an asphalt and so it the
difference is it's it's going from
temporary to more structural definitely
but permanent to me it gave a different
feel for that to the community and and
mr. Stevens talked about that and said
yes that's not correct we're we're not
gonna walk away and forget about this
neighborhood and so forth so he backed
that up so that was the second item and
the third one came after the fact where
Sheldon came to me and and mentioned
that the way this was written that they
would the city would have to come back
to Council for an additional agenda bill
just to execute the contract because we
didn't have the right wording in there
so item three of this motion is
basically just fixing that technical
glitch where we don't have to do an
agenda bill to actually authorize the
next contract and it may even not even
be it's some contract they may be added
on to an existing contract and and and
so that may happen as well so it would
be completed tonight with the addition
of item three on there and not have to
come back to Council for an additional
thing so those three changes of some
added additional device I took the word
permanent out and
we added item three to save us
approving another gender bill so those
are the three things that came kind of
after the committee met its member
Goodman thank you so I have questions so
my understanding and Billy he can
probably answer it sounds like one in to
where the recommendations that came out
of committee and number three was after
the fact right so it would seem to me
procedurally that one and two should be
the motion because that would be the
recommendation that came out of the
committee and that if a committee member
wanted to make a motion to amend the
recommendation that that would be that
would be procedurally the way to go
because the recommendation from the
committee was unanimous
as I recall right but there were a
couple other it wasn't a totally
complete because we had two items that
weren't complete as far as the devices
being at things are going to be added to
this so what we had but we asked him to
go back and do those things and I also
requested the word permanent be removed
so I mean check was that clerk on that
you know does it make sense to move one
in two as the main motion and then have
somebody amended or is it the way it's
structured still meeting your
requirements
it's fine
I saw the floor after you I guess my my
objection is that I understand what
you're saying bill but my understanding
and being on the committee is that it
was you did have a question about
permanent but the recommendation that
comes forward from the committee should
be the should be the motion that's made
and then there are amendments to the
motion that to me procedurally should be
though the way that it's done and then
the third item to kind of clean things
up number three that would that would be
an additional motion that's the way I
think it's proper because that's the way
the committees work and so I don't think
it's I don't think it's the right way to
go about it because I don't think that
it respects the committee's work to do
that so your path forward would be to
propose an amendment to the motion and
see if you get a second motion right now
includes all three parts I would propose
Kay that I would propose I would make a
memo I would move to amend the motion to
add the word permanent back in the
number one and to delete number three to
be a separate motion after we decide on
the committee's recommendation which was
be number one and two with the word
permanent it's been moved to amend the
motion is there a second second
I'm interested to hear about the current
the word permanent I think to me it was
to distinguish temporary devices from
longer term devices I do also to some
degree understands that concern about
permanent and the feeling that it's done
but I seconded the motion because I
think we could discuss it and if we're
gonna have a lot more traffic calming
devices using these temporary devices it
would be good to know how we how we go
forward using the correct terminology
for permanence if that's
if there's concerns about using that
terminology so I I don't have any
heartburn over the word permanent I
think it's just just like councilmember
Han said it's to distinguish between
temporary and not temporary and then we
heard from Curt seaman that the
intention is not to turn turn back on a
community but its we now have a
permanent plan permanent a way to
address traffic calming and it's not
just calling the police and hoping
they'll come or flagging down people and
asking them to slow down it's actually a
permanent a permanent installation so
that we it's a permanent plan that we've
installed it's no longer temporary it's
no longer a pilot and so I don't have
any heartburn over the use of the word
per minute at all I don't know and I
would like to comment before we vote as
president marts I'll comment so I will
be voting against this amendment I think
there's there's two separate issues here
right one is the use of the word
permanent I think because we've had some
public comment concerning use of the
word permanent I think it's fine to take
it out you know in terms of when a you
know there's a there's I believe without
looking it up that there's a lot of
precedent for bills that have
essentially what's effectively
housekeeping between coming back from
committee in and full council where the
intent permanent changes the intent I
will agree but number three seems to be
a housekeeping piece to basically
implement the policy that we that was
recommended out of committees so based
on that I would for not to set a
precedent that says that any changes
that come back I feel like this would if
we move forward this amendment that part
of it would set a precedent that says
that you know essentially any
housekeeping changes after committee
would have to come in as an amendment
and
I'm I don't think we need to do that so
but I do recognize the permanent pieces
is policy change thank you
that's a member a I'm struggling with
this a bit but when I think about it if
we amend it and take out part number
three we're going to just turn around
and amend it and put it back in because
it's it's good structure so as opposed
to getting all kind of caught up in the
process
I would rather move ahead with the
motion as currently offered and I think
it is our right to make as a council
member to make whatever motion we choose
to make on any issue that we choose are
we that we are talking about so I think
this was in council member Ramos --is
purview to make the motion the way he
did thank you I will call so what we are
voting on is an amendment to the main
motion that would remove the word
permanent from number one and remove the
third bullet authorized the
administration to enter into an executed
contract up to three hundred ten
thousand for removing the temporary
traffic calming devices and installing
permanent traffic calming devices
consistent with the approved layout
that's what's being removed all those in
favor of the amendment say aye aye
opposed amendment fails six to one
before going back to the main motion
councilmember may I just wanted to check
in with you on number three you had
talked about the $50,000 at this staff
time I would like to make a amendment to
the motion on point number two I'd like
to strike where it says three hundred
and ten thousand dollars and replace it
with two hundred and sixty thousand
dollars for the subsequent budget
amendment because the $50,000 is already
in the 2018 budget in in Public Works on
engineering budget and on section number
three I'd like to strike the three
hundred and ten thousand dollars and
replace it with two hundred sixty
thousand dollars as the contract
limit per the budget we looked at is
really only 260 thousand dollars not
$310,000 a second second maybe it's a
canker can I get you to come up and
address that I want to make sure that
that change isn't actually doing
something we didn't intend it to do it
so I think so I think that's fine I
think
as as I mentioned earlier our standard
way of preparing capital project budgets
is to show our time in the budget as we
have here the 50,000 but that's not it
we're not hiring anybody we're not
having to bring new people on to cover
that 50,000 that is staff that's
currently here at the city that would be
doing that construction inspection and
managing that construction project so no
new staff is involved no new dollars are
involved for that it's just it's just
simply the way we've shown our budgets
and maybe we want to maybe we want to
relook at that going forward but that's
that's what it is
I actually I think that's good I do
think the Council of Ages before it did
like to see full project cost so that
they understood both the internal and
external but under our financial
information section of our agenda bill
we can clarify what the contract ask is
yes thank you
so that's been moved and seconded as
their discussion councilmember winter
saying followed by some resident Mart's
and councilmember hen it's a little
unclear to me so I I thought we did
capex versus op x-type budgeting which
means you when you do capital projects
you authorized a budget for the entire
expenditure and we want to note that
this is coming from the the safety
camera fund we don't do it that way then
your accounting department doesn't have
a way of actually keeping track of the
internal staff time charged against that
fund so this is al this enables the type
of accounting that we do internally
doesn't it doesn't authorize additional
spend because there so I think this my
interpretation has always been that this
is
the type of accounting that we do that's
why it's in there and so III think it
should stay in there I don't think it
should be amended it's a person it
merits can you say that again I'm
confused
it's it's my understanding that and I
wish the someone finance was here that
we do for public works engineering the
type of account and we do what's known
as cap X versus op X capital versus
operational also capital expenditures
also sometimes known as project
expenditures where you identify when you
authorize a project and identify the
full funding source for that project you
consider the entire funding requirement
for that and in this case the with the
proposed money coming from the safety
camera fund by authorizing even that
online item for that amount into this
project budget then when the state's
Keith excuse me Kurt's staff whoever in
the staff works on this project and
allocating record their time it will go
against those dollars that came from
that fund and that's that because we
choose to do accounting that way and if
it doesn't then then their time would
just be come from the general fund and
we would lose visibility into how much
staff time was spent on this project got
it okay so my comments are I suspect
this is a larger issue than this one
particularly well and fortunately
several of the people who have brought
up questions here tonight are on the
ad-hoc Finance Committee they can
discuss it
my concern around my concern around this
issue is that we have many things that
come before us that involves staff time
and if we're gonna have two different
kinds of staff staff that we expect to
be able to recover
funds for and staff we don't then we
should plan accordingly but my concern
really revolves around getting to a
point where council has something that
we want to do and we say okay well
that's gonna take you know 10% of Chief
beer bombs time at you know some rate
and you know an FTE worth of the
communications department you know for
two months at some other rate and and
things that are expected to be part of
staffs normal operations getting
monetized in an attempt to show cost
where historically we haven't done that
right and this issue came up when we
discussed fireworks a couple years ago
and the city was thinking about doing
fireworks and we sort of monetized staff
time and said how much it was going to
cost in a way that didn't seem
consistent with how we normally consider
policy in the city so I don't know what
to do about this evening to be honest
with you but I think that we do need to
have a conversation about where we want
to track costs and its specifically
around people that are not billable and
making sure that however we do this we
don't all of a sudden attempt to you
know conflate policy costs with
non-billable staff I see that the
mayor's having a chat with our acting
City Administrator on this subject and
thinking maybe they have some thoughts
checking in with the acting interim City
Administrator and director of
sustainability there's a couple things
to think about
I believe councilmember winter stone is
right in the way we do our projects and
that all of the costs both our internal
and contract costs will come out of the
traffic-calming fund just meaning that
it's a bookkeeping thing the way they do
it however councilmember Ray
has a good point the contract itself
that's awarded which is mentioned once
is only 260 so it may not be a matter of
changing every time you see 310 to 260
but the award of the contract should not
exceed 260 so if I have this right David
direct the fight it would it would read
approve the proposed traffic calming
layout for Old Town number one number
two direct the finance director to
include three hundred ten thousand
dollars in a subsequent 2018 budget
adjust amendment for the Old Town
traffic calming project utilizing the
school safety fund and three authorize
the administration to enter into an
execute construction contract up to two
hundred and sixty thousand and that
might get you all where you want to be
like Anna councilmember Rea I don't
think that's right I still don't think
that's right because when we're asking
for a budget amendment we're actually
saying in my understandings we're asking
for new money from existing funds that
didn't exist in the 2018 budget is that
a correct assumption I'm making it's
adjusting the budget but it was not
money that was proposed was approved in
the 2018 budget yeah Kurt might be able
to help us here try calling a friend
when pwe tracks their time against
different projects in the end did a
salary cost line up with a salary item
in the budget so that this is not
actually asking for additional salary is
that your concern is we're actually
changing well I think what we're doing
is we're double accounting for this
$50,000 we've already put it in the
budget for pwe staff and now we're
asking for it again
so we're double counting for it and if
it's an issue of moving funds around I'm
okay with authorizing finance to move
funds around there they move between
fund balance I'm not okay with saying
here's an additional $50,000 for staff
time that you already have
so I think I get myself in trouble here
because I'm not don't know that much
about I can speak to how as I mentioned
earlier how Public Works engineering
tracks their cost which is what we've
shown here in this budget it's it's
along the lines of what mr. winter Stein
has spoken to which is it's a way of us
tracking our costs are real costs our
staff time against projects so that's
why we typically have it in our budgets
that's why it's shown here so that as we
move forward this project our inspectors
our our construction engineer all of
those folks will build to this project
and we will be able to track of the end
of day our real cost to that so that we
have a way of knowing how much time
projects take and also you're also right
that we're not to be clear not hiring
new staff or a new construction
inspection firm to do this work this is
work being done internally by our folks
in pwe or I think also councilmember is
say also not increasing an authorized
salary line already be in the budget
that's right as this concern it's a
track it's a it's an accounting it's a
tracking mm-hmm mechanism that's where
we're interesting councilmember ray I
might suggest that we go forward with
the way the mayor kind of rephrase that
potential change I think that was a
change on what the current motion on our
amendment is because it and and I would
vote in favor of that fully knowing that
there already has been appropriated in
some fund and maybe the general fund
maybe somewhere else
for the salaries of at least a portion
of the salaries of the employees that
would be included knowing fully well
that we're saying okay now money out of
this traffic safety fund we're going to
hear my
this for this project charge your time
against that not charge and therefore
don't burn the other dollars that have
already been allocated knowing I know
because that happens all the time but
then ask that finance could come back
and just answer that question for us and
then the council can decide if it wants
to take another corrective step in and
upping or lowering some amount of
approval in one of the funds aside
rather I think I think the chances are
that it's a normal and and there's no
harm to this practice but would ask that
we can come back and get clarification
and at that time decide if we need to
make an adjustment that's where I would
stand it's one clarification the motion
on the table right now uses 310,000 in
both parts okay right so I was
commenting about your version of that
should we amend the amendment where
should the amendment fail it's all never
had I have a clarifying question I'm not
sure who but does the does the amendment
to making this 260 thousand dollars
would that change the amount of money
that's taken from the school's own
safety fund for this project sounds like
a simple question I don't know I do
think that's kind of what I
councilmember winter Stein is saying
there's some accounting going on here
but tell us what Jack what is actually
going on here is that an allocation that
is taken out of the fund as well I don't
have that answer that is what I believe
we were being asked to bring back okay
that because that seems like that
fundamentally changes whether this is a
a amendment that is actually just
clarifying how the money is being moved
around versus actually saying that we're
gonna take less money from a specific
funds that is separate from the existing
fund system balance I believe if the
budget adjustment says 310 thousand
dollars which is point number two that's
the one where I have to come back and
tell Council whether or not that's three
hundred and ten thousand out of that
and or if the salary stay where they are
on the second the third point though I
believe what we're trying to do the
council member raised to make sure we
don't award a contract in excess of two
hundred and sixty thousand dollars which
seems to be the outside external
contract cause if I might a
clarification question what is a two
thousand eighteen budget amendment what
is it I mean what does that document do
I mean I think it's really at the heart
of this question because if what we're
really asking to do is to move funds
around and that's all the amendment does
then that's a different question if this
is saying this is going to be an
increase to our 2018 budget of some
amount I just can't get I can't get
there because there's there's cost
accounting which is what Kurt's talk to
which is I tracked my costs and I know
what goes where and I can I can do good
reporting and that's just good practice
and I'm all for that but then there's
Financial Accounting which is a
completely different beast which says
this is what money comes in and this is
what money goes out and here's what it
went out to do and you know and in that
financial accounting there's the fund
accounting so I'm okay if we want to
move move things around from funds but
I'm not okay with authorizing another
three hundred and ten thousand dollars
for this project cuz that's overstates
the cost of the city of doing this work
so I think there's three parts to that
one is the the project budging I think
everybody's kind of getting that now why
we try and put all the costs in there
the budget amendment and you're you are
giving the administration you are
authorizing us to spend this amount from
this account and it is in addition to
the other authorizations you've given
under the 2018 budget so yes it's added
on it's an add-on so I would be okay if
we said and we're going to take fifty
thousand dollars in an a doing negative
entry coming out of the pwe salary fund
part of the bookkeeping I cannot give
you the answer on tonight I assume
that's what you want yeah but I don't
have that answer for you tonight
you're right that is the that is the
finance system versus
budget amendment which is so much that's
not so not something I can answer
tonight so that may may be hard for you
to vote so I think and I'm hardly
chairing this meeting but I think we
have a couple of options I think if it
is the will of the council to make point
number two read $310,000 we can amend
the amendment change that or I would be
happy to take these two things
separately and withdraw the amendment
that's currently on the table and make
make two separate amendments and and
deal with these two line items
separately okay so I believe there is no
amendment on the table right now we're
doing the main motion okay so you'd like
to remove that with the agreement of
your second and then vote on these
individually I think that would be
cleaner and and I think it would make
for an easier discussion okay so the
proposed amendment to adjust dollar
amount in point three from three hundred
ten thousand to two hundred and sixty
thousand the maker of the motion and the
second are agreed to withdraw the
amendment yeah was it was it was in
point to destroy three point right to
and replace it with sixty and in point
three to strike 310 and replace it with
juices so both of those yes and the
maker of the motion and the second
degree
reisi which they were you were drawing
it I'm withdrawing the motion I'm gonna
and I'm gonna make another amendment
i'm ii agree easier i'm at least least
tied here so I'd like to move to amend
the motion on the table to strike
three hundred and ten thousand dollars
from point number three for the contract
construction contract and replace it
with two hundred and sixty thousand
dollars second we have been seconded and
we'll deal with this amendment first
discussion that's right we're
interesting yeah I think this would be a
mistake I think it's it's your
the negative the this but I said earlier
about maybe having the finance come back
and tell us kind of how they would do
this but by authoring the 3:10 that
allows the the budget amendment would
come through and said let's take you
know fifty of this out of that fund and
we'll move it to whatever fun pays the
salaries for occurred staff and then
they could charge against it that will
happen and that's what we want to have
happen now is they're already fifty and
a fun somewhere to pay for those
salaries perhaps and that's what I'm
saying let's have let's get a
clarification and then at that time we
think we need to make some adjustment we
do it then but by this proposal you're
not allowing you're basically saying
Kurt you and your team can't do cost
accounting that's not right no that
that's not what I'm saying because
that's why I'm talking about point three
I'm saying that we are not only we
should only authorize the mayor or the
the administration to sign a
construction contract up to two hundred
sixty thousand dollars because that
contract does not include any - didn't
you know I was taking the easy one first
I thought so I just want to be clear
that the contract award would be capped
at 360 not 260 thank you not at 310 so
so I apologize I misunderstood that
motion so if your so the motion is to
change number three to 260 correct okay
I did misunderstand that I understand it
okay so I guess I see the law what's
going on here and this is historically a
problem I've had continue with the
budget also and it is a reason why at
the end of the year we always have way
under spent our budgets because we add
amendments that always add all these
full costs that have already been
accounted for somewhere else and we
never take out amendments only add they
never take out they're never balance
they never do that and I see in this
case it's critical because it's shifting
to a different fund so in this case we
really have to show it because we do
want to pay those
folks out of this fund not uh the other
funds it would be shown for our normally
charged you so this is a problem I like
to really take on in a long term here
hopefully finance community folks are
working on that because this is it is it
is very misleading because it always
looks like we're adding all this extra
money to the budget often we are not so
in this case today I would be supporting
this amendment as we've gotten it now
but I do want to work in the future to
show those that we don't keep adding
costs in or an amendment budget
amendments could also take costs out if
we're moving them around or doing
something with it so we can be a little
more accurate and not have a whole bunch
of under spent budget at the end of the
year and it looks like we didn't do
something whatever it looks very strange
thank you thank you any other comments
it's my good man I just think it's been
a very long time if ever that we've seen
a project that shows the staff time for
design and construction management so I
think that's part of the confusion and I
think that the other confusion was just
a simple language and the agenda thought
that could have cleared that I don't
it's unfortunate that it was that
convoluted thanks more comment I'm gonna
call for the vote on the amendment and
the amendment is 4.3 authorize the
administration to enter into an execute
construction contracts up to two hundred
and sixty thousand dollars for removing
the temporary traffic calming devices
and installing traffic calming devices
consistent with approve layout all in
favor of the amendment I those passes
unanimously
did you have a second amendment do not
okay are there other any other
amendments or additional discussion
let's member Goodman thank you so I
wanted compliment staff for the work
that you did on this pilot project I
think it was fantastic and we've heard
almost nothing but positive comments
about how this project to how this
temporary pilot project went down and I
also want to thank the community for
somebody mentioned 17 years that's been
way longer than 17 years it's been since
the 90s that this community this
area of town has been concerned about
traffic through the neighborhoods and so
I want to thank the community for being
patient and diligent and what I think
has been very respectful in facing some
really not good conditions for a long
long long long period of time so I'm
very excited about this for the for the
neighborhood and just really happy that
we're finally getting this done thank
you other comments
council member Ramos followed by
councilmember hunt yeah yes I too would
like to thank everybody involved in this
it was it was a while incoming I think
we've got something that everybody's
gonna feel pretty good with just a
little aside that thank you also for
getting the chicane Zout as quickly as
possible I would just mention that when
they came out that day and the speed
hump went in and the first few cars that
flew down the street didn't see the
chicanes and they hit that hump pretty
hard and got some air but other than
that they were surprised and it didn't
happen a second time but yeah I think
it's gonna be a great addition the
neighborhood I think is really working
well as you can see we don't have a lot
of people here trying to change it again
so I think that shows the good work and
thanks to staff and all the the data
collection and analyzing all that stuff
to show what we had and get something's
gonna work for the long term and it's my
neighborhood so I'm behind it as well
that's member hunt thank you I want to
echo a lot of things that councilmember
Goodman and Councilman Ramos said I
think this was a pilot in a number of
ways and it it showed in the data a
reduction in speeds and a reduction in
number of cars so it was successful in
that way and I think it was also
successful in terms of engagement with
the community and it's something that
it's really important that the community
engages on because there are traffic
devices right in front of their homes
potentially and they affect day to day
life so I thought it was a successful
pilot in a number of ways that I think
we learned a lot and I'm excited that
these are temporary devices that were in
the pilot and the
they can be used in other places and
that we can use the lessons learned in
other parts of the city where they have
similar ongoing concerns and I did want
to mention one other thing from the
council Infrastructure Committee which
is that the staff really took into
account our concerns about the alleys
and I think that that for me is the
remaining piece here for this particular
neighborhood because the alleys there is
is this concern I'm glad that we're
going to collect and evaluate the data
and see if we can do something about
that it was not in the original plans
but it's one of the things that we
learned about again the process of
learning from this pilot was that there
is this ongoing concern about the alleys
and so I would like to see that
addressed and again I just wanted to
thank the community for coming out and I
think this was a good example of the
community being engaged and listening
respectfully on all sides thank you we
understand quickly I want to echo those
comments and those made earlier about
thanking the community for their
participation I did that walkabout and
to get to this point you know it's a
really good example of very active
participation in your local government
and your voices were part of this
solution so thank you very much I also
remember last year when this is being
proposed occurred and I sat in an
infrastructure meeting down at one of
these tables with you and you seemed
kind of generally excited about this
idea of doing a pilot because I think in
your experience you hadn't done
something like this and I hope that the
way that this is concluding or at least
where it is at this stage right now what
you you got out of that what you learned
you'll be able to you know take that
back and and kind of reapply I think
some of the practices and the approaches
that we learned here and applied here in
in future projects so I'm grateful you
had that chance as well my last comment
would simply be I think this is we can a
we can check one box
I think our to-do list related to old
town there's a number
of other things and I for one am very
very interested in and sidewalks and
stormwater and other things about the
mobility infrastructure in that area and
look forward to discussing and doing
something about that with the rest of
you in the near future thank you I just
wanted to echo what a lot of council
members have already said I just wanted
to thank the community for all of the
input and the patience this has been a
long time coming and it's something that
I'm excited to see going forward and
also just in regard to the pilot project
being able to look at that and seeing
that be a success and a model that we
can use going forward I think that's
really important Thanks thank you any
other comments before we vote I am gonna
read the motion because it was changed
many times I want to make sure I have
all the words right it was moved to
approve the proposed traffic calming
layout for Old Town and direct the
finance director to include three
hundred and ten thousand dollars in a
subsequent 2018 budget amendment for the
Old Town traffic calming project
utilizing the school's own safety fund
and authorizing the administration to
enter into and execute construction
contracts up to two hundred and sixty
thousand dollars or removing the
temporary traffic calming devices and
installing traffic calming devices
consistent with the approved layout all
those in favor say aye all right those
motion carries unanimously thank you and
Kurt please make sure to pass on praise
to John Martinson as well this was his
project and he wasn't able to be with us
tonight but it's it's been good thank
you
next order of business this evening is
good of the order does anybody have
anything for good of the order I have a
couple of items anybody else okay
July 9th council work session the agenda
items will include the water system plan
again permitted land uses in central
Issaquah development and citywide
strategic plan the July 16th regular
Council
the potential and Genda items include
the consideration to adopt the perk
strategic plan consideration to approve
the West Ridge north preliminary plat
and that one is the quasi-judicial
closed record item I had a couple of
items I wanted to go over from the
Cascade Water Alliance Finance Committee
Vickie mentioned a couple of them
briefly but they are going to be making
some changes to their financial policies
and they wanted us to bring it back to
each of the governing bodies just to run
them by you I sent it out earlier by
email the first one was cascade was
desiring to adopt two-year rates with
the truing up in the second year prior
to the presentation of the next two-year
draft budget and there are some pros and
some cons to that which I put in the
email we're not on a two-year budget
cycle yet but many of our partners
cities and agencies are but we are
likely headed that way the one concern
that I had heard is that if their rates
are not as accurate as they could be in
the second year the city may actually be
paying ahead for that year until the
truing up occurs later on in the year so
any concerns with that or any comments
on that one that's a member Goodman it
does the finance director have any had
did she have any comments on it I have
not had comments back from the finance
director yet I have just had comments
back from executive office and public
works so if she has concerns with it
I will I can put those bring those back
to the Cascade board thank you the
second one was whether or not cascade
should adopt two-year are CFC rates
which are the fees that we charge folks
to join into our system this one seemed
to not be very controversial the number
of connection charges per new service
has been fairly consistent and their
pricing has been fairly consistent for a
very long time this did not generate a
lot of discussion
he concerns men
the last item what level of seismic
resiliency should cascade budget to did
cause quite a discussion in the finance
committee right now cascade is proposing
$200,000 per year to fund this new item
which would be a way to prepare for
emergencies by stockpiling high pipes
and parts on the east side so that
during an earthquake or another major
event
our crews cascade crews could our
seattle crews could work together to
repair infrastructure get it back online
faster the concerns that we heard and I
did get this from both Public Works
operations and engineering is that we do
that already for our system and concern
that this might be a duplicative effort
where everybody's stockpiling stuff
everywhere to a higher degree than we
need to this one said it was a bit
controversial and it reminds me of when
he said Fire and Rescue was looking to
set up an emergency fund a few years ago
and the partners all came forward and
said we have reserve funds and we don't
want to be using taxpayer rates or fees
to set up duplicative funds so your
thoughts on this one that's better than
marks my thoughts would be you said it
was $200,000 per year the bogie so my
question is do we have an understanding
of what we think the fiscal or I
shouldn't say fiscal risk do we think we
have an understanding of what the
resiliency needs would be and how does
this compare if we think that you know
there's going to be in the event of
either you have to think right two
different scenarios one's a Cascadia
subduction fault the other as a surface
fault and I don't know which has larger
implications because I think a
subduction fault causes more Ridge
failures but a surface fault might cause
more bomb ruptures local ruptures so I
don't know but if you consider those and
you say okay there's some risk
associated with it and let's say it's
ten million dollars a year or ten
million bucks right for the system well
it might be that you know 200
thousand from cascade water plus
whatever we're doing are both steps in
the right direction but maybe neither
sufficient but if we feel like we
understand the risk and we as a city are
stockpiling to a sufficient level for
that risk than I do then I could see the
concern about being duplicative so to me
it's really how do these two efforts
compare to the assess risk and does that
risk do we know more as a result of
cascading rising which looked
specifically at a subduction fault so I
believe right now because it's strictly
from the financial point of view they do
not have that risk
all right mount that you're talking
about nor the information about what
various jurisdictions or Seattle is
doing I think the thought was to just
this was a financially responsible thing
to do so a great suggestion if they do
not have the number would be to say that
we asked them to do more homework and
come back when they have the picture to
starts doing this instead of starting to
do this before we have the true number
sure the other number and I think they
could do that partially by looking at
historically comparable earthquakes like
Northridge and see how Northridge
affected these sorts of infrastructure
okay any other comments I would I would
kind of 10-degree was looking at that
what is the true thing being on the
emergency management committee those are
the kind of things you look at
regionally because it's all connected
right and if it's just I mean to just by
stockpile pipes is you know by itself is
a little we need a little more than that
to go with it and then when it happened
when those things happen what do we
really need to respond it's going to be
not just pipes right thank you those are
really good comments I'll take those
back the last four good of the order
item that I had was I Sheldon from
Public Works out engineering has been
meeting frequently throughout the 62nd
Avenue project with Sammamish plateau
water to discuss a water main
replacement are a sewer replacement that
the city agreed to cost share was
Sammamish plateau during the
construction of 62nd Avenue so I know
it's come to infrastructure occasionally
for updates
all through their project and including
the pre-loading on their project our
public works director has been
collecting data with a hope to go back
to Sammamish plateau water and ask if
they would reconsider the ILA if data
showed that settlement was not causing a
problem for their installation and that
the pipe itself had significant amount
of life left I attended the Sammamish
putzi Water District Board meeting today
I asked them if they would consider a
opener and they said yes
it's a three hundred and sixty thousand
dollar project one hundred and eighty
thousand each to secuence summit and
Spanish I'm not sure within our
timeframe to stay on schedule we can
actually get this done
so I talked with the public works
director today about a parallel track so
we will continue to plan for and begin
pre-construction on the replacement of
the pipe while over the next two to four
weeks we work on whether or not they're
willing to leave the installation as it
is which would be a cost savings of
three hundred and sixty thousand dollars
to two jurisdictions so I'm marginally
hopeful I think it's a good idea and I
just want to let you know that that was
sort of in play right now anybody else
have any other items okay
there will be no executive session this
evening so there being no further
business we are adjourned at 8:30 for
you